The Michael Knowles Show - The Conversation Ep. 21： Michael Knowles

00:00:00.000 I'll write it, and we'll do it live?

00:00:01.720 We'll do it live.

00:00:02.520 All right.

00:00:03.060 I'm Elisha Krause, everyone, and we are live with our latest episode of The Conversation.

00:00:07.200 And with me this month is our host here, one of our hosts here at The Daily Wire, Michael Knowles,

00:00:12.460 who will be taking—can I say your name right?

00:00:14.680 Banana.

00:00:15.780 I should have done all of those things you were doing before the show.

00:00:17.980 Can we do a redo?

00:00:20.660 Can do it.

00:00:21.400 Do it live.

00:00:22.280 With me is Michael Knowles, you know, famous author of that New York Times bestselling blank book,

00:00:27.220 who will be taking your questions live for this entire hour.

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00:01:24.060 Wait a second.

00:01:25.080 Just saying.

00:01:26.440 So I feel like a year ago when we were doing, we've been doing these conversations for almost

00:01:30.620 a year and a half, by the way.

00:01:31.960 Can you believe that?

00:01:33.160 Actually, maybe even almost two years.

00:01:34.740 That's a lot of conversing.

00:01:35.940 It's a lot of conversing with our amazing subscribers that somehow keep your show on the air.

00:01:40.860 That's amazing.

00:01:41.300 But back then, you said that you are working on another book, but this time it will have

00:01:47.380 words in it.

00:01:48.140 Yeah.

00:01:49.960 TBD?

00:01:50.780 Oh, no.

00:01:51.360 It is actually coming along.

00:01:53.160 I still don't want to talk about it because the last time I had a book idea, I submitted

00:01:57.360 this whole proposal for this book idea.

00:01:59.840 And the proposal, they didn't like it.

00:02:01.160 They wanted me to change all these things.

00:02:02.600 And then another guy came out with the exact same book like three months later.

00:02:06.480 And it's a very good book.

00:02:07.920 So I'm telling nobody about what this book is.

00:02:10.080 But it's very fun.

00:02:10.680 I'm really enjoying it.

00:02:11.620 You will probably not be surprised to learn that that has happened to a couple friends

00:02:15.420 of mine as well.

00:02:17.040 That's very frustrating.

00:02:18.220 Yeah, that's publishing world is fun.

00:02:19.500 You never get this when you do a blank book, by the way.

00:02:23.120 Because other people, there have been a lot of blank books.

00:02:24.840 There's Everything Men Know About Women, The Wit and Wisdom of the German People.

00:02:28.100 A lot of very good ones.

00:02:30.260 Reasons to Vote for Democrats.

00:02:31.240 Sex After 50 was another one.

00:02:32.900 Oh, my gosh.

00:02:34.260 It's true.

00:02:34.680 It sold a lot of copies.

00:02:35.500 All righty.

00:02:37.480 So we have our first question.

00:02:39.580 This is from who?

00:02:41.880 Anthony wants to know, what do you think will happen to the pro-life movement if SCOTUS

00:02:45.720 reaffirms Roe v. Wade with Alabama's challenge to abortion?

00:02:48.920 Then we'll keep going on.

00:02:49.940 We'll keep on keeping on.

00:02:50.820 This isn't the first time that this has happened.

00:02:52.620 Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973.

00:02:55.360 It invented a fictitious right to abortion.

00:02:58.440 It didn't even say where it found the right to abortion in the Constitution.

00:03:02.020 The opinion said, well, maybe it's in the 14th Amendment.

00:03:05.040 Maybe it's in the 9th Amendment.

00:03:06.360 It doesn't matter.

00:03:07.340 There's a right to an abortion in there, which is ironic because if the right to an abortion

00:03:12.060 is in the 14th Amendment, then the people who wrote the 14th Amendment were unaware of that.

00:03:16.500 The people who adopted the 14th Amendment were unaware of that at the time of the ratification

00:03:21.400 of the 14th Amendment.

00:03:22.920 You mean abortion by wire hangers and back alleys didn't exist back then?

00:03:26.700 Shockingly, it did.

00:03:27.740 So the first laws to deal with abortion happened in about 1821.

00:03:32.660 The 14th Amendment comes in 40 years later.

00:03:36.200 At the time, there were many states and municipalities that had laws against abortion.

00:03:40.200 And actually, at the time of Roe v. Wade, at least 21 states and municipalities had those

00:03:46.680 same laws on the books.

00:03:48.300 And yet, the Supreme Court invents the right to abortion.

00:03:50.820 Then, 20 years later, you get Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

00:03:54.460 This is where the court reaffirmed the right to an abortion.

00:03:57.720 It put certain restrictions on it.

00:03:59.440 I guess in the intervening 20 years, the Constitution magically grew new restrictions on abortion.

00:04:05.200 But whatever, now 20, 30 years later, if this comes up, hopefully we can overturn Roe v. Wade.

00:04:11.540 I actually spoke to Antonin Scalia about this topic before he died.

00:04:16.080 And I said, you know, conservatives, we accept precedent.

00:04:21.900 There is a concept in the law, stare decisis, which is that we give some deference to precedent.

00:04:26.600 So how do you square your belief in precedent with overturning Roe v. Wade?

00:04:31.600 And what he said is that some rulings are so egregious that they must be overturned.

00:04:37.860 Dred Scott would be an example of this.

00:04:39.580 Yeah, perfect example.

00:04:40.160 Ruling that black people cannot be American citizens.

00:04:43.200 You can't gradually, incrementally change that.

00:04:46.160 You've got to overturn it.

00:04:47.420 Roe v. Wade, same thing.

00:04:48.960 You can't coherently say, we're going to protect babies at 28 weeks, but we're going to kill them at 24 weeks.

00:04:55.620 It doesn't make any sense.

00:04:56.920 You have to overturn it.

00:04:58.200 And if the court doesn't have the guts to do it this time, guess what we're going to do?

00:05:00.820 We're going to keep on passing laws.

00:05:02.200 We're going to keep on fighting.

00:05:03.340 Public opinion is moving in our direction, and we'll get them the next time.

00:05:06.220 You know, it's interesting because I think the argument that you're seeing from many on the left is that,

00:05:09.940 oh, no, Donald Trump has stacked the courts, and they're going to overturn Roe v. Wade.

00:05:14.480 Honestly, I don't know that as a pro-lifer that I can count on Justice Kavanaugh or Chief Justice Roberts

00:05:19.440 to make the pro-life, pro-Constitution decision in this case.

00:05:23.860 Well, this is what they said in Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

00:05:26.320 This was 1992.

00:05:27.760 So you just had a decade of the Reagan administration, the Bush administration, stacking the courts.

00:05:35.420 And what happened?

00:05:36.560 Three justices appointed by Republicans, Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, Sandra Day O'Connor,

00:05:42.200 all voted to uphold the fictional right to abortion.

00:05:45.780 This happens a lot.

00:05:46.620 The Supreme Court justices disappoint their presidents often, and can we really count on John Roberts?

00:05:52.660 It seems like we can't.

00:05:54.340 Can we count on Kavanaugh?

00:05:55.720 Jury's still out, but I'm worried.

00:05:58.300 All right.

00:05:58.980 Arun says,

00:05:59.760 Dear Dr. Kofefe, I've been a victim of affirmative action, often due to being an Indian American.

00:06:05.940 Any advice on how we conservatives can subvert discriminatory policies in the university and workplace?

00:06:11.700 Well, actually, speaking of the Supreme Court, this decision probably is going to be handled by them pretty soon

00:06:16.960 because you've got this case coming up about discrimination against Asian students at Harvard.

00:06:22.320 So affirmative action also was upheld thanks to Sandra Day O'Connor and other justices.

00:06:27.980 And what the court said at that time, the last time they really dealt with this,

00:06:31.780 is eventually affirmative action will not be necessary.

00:06:35.740 Eventually we can phase it out.

00:06:37.280 The question is now can we phase it out?

00:06:38.980 Because affirmative action, maybe it's really helpful to black students applying to Harvard,

00:06:43.680 but you can't help some students without hurting other students.

00:06:46.820 Like Asians and Indian Americans.

00:06:48.300 Like Asians and Indians, right.

00:06:50.280 So if it's going to hurt those students, they have a real discrimination case.

00:06:54.340 And unfortunately, a lot of these questions now are being decided by the Supreme Court.

00:06:59.080 And the reason they're being decided by the Supreme Court is because the Supreme Court has taken on that power.

00:07:04.160 The legislature has not wanted to do its job.

00:07:06.940 It's brought these questions to the court and unfortunately the court has invented fictional rights over the years.

00:07:12.580 And when you're basing your decisions on those precedents, you have to invent more fictional rights

00:07:17.100 or you have to read new interpretations into these fictional rights.

00:07:20.540 And so I'm hoping that this court, which for all of their flaws, has been much more seriously minded,

00:07:26.120 has been much more respectful of the Constitution in recent years.

00:07:29.380 Hopefully this court will at least issue some legal and constitutional clarity and get rid of some of these issues

00:07:38.780 that have caused so much trouble over the last several decades.

00:07:43.020 All right.

00:07:43.660 Jonathan says,

00:07:44.400 Hi, Michael.

00:07:45.020 I really enjoy your show.

00:07:46.980 I think Jonathan maybe needs some hearing aids.

00:07:49.020 Anyway, he says,

00:07:49.920 I'm a Protestant and I'm wondering,

00:07:51.860 from the Catholic perspective,

00:07:53.300 what is the purpose of praying to Mary and to other saints?

00:07:56.240 Well, it's a very good question.

00:07:57.880 I get this question a lot from Protestant friends of mine.

00:08:00.340 I will answer with a question to you.

00:08:02.820 Do you ever ask your friends to pray for you?

00:08:05.220 Do you ever say,

00:08:05.900 Hey, Johnny, my wife is in the hospital.

00:08:07.560 Can you pray for us?

00:08:08.700 Do you ever ask your church?

00:08:10.240 You say,

00:08:10.480 Let's all pray for each other.

00:08:12.440 If you're doing that,

00:08:13.620 then you're asking for intercessory prayer, right?

00:08:16.400 You're asking for them to pray to the Lord our God.

00:08:18.420 This is exactly what Catholics do and Eastern Orthodox when we pray to Mary.

00:08:23.600 We are asking Mary to pray for us to the Lord our God.

00:08:26.740 We're saying,

00:08:28.020 I mean,

00:08:28.360 the prayer,

00:08:29.460 the Hail Mary prayer is directly from scripture.

00:08:32.100 You say,

00:08:32.420 Hail Mary,

00:08:32.800 full of grace.

00:08:33.680 The Lord is with thee.

00:08:35.120 Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,

00:08:37.360 Jesus.

00:08:37.940 Holy Mary,

00:08:38.480 mother of God,

00:08:39.400 pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.

00:08:42.560 So we're asking Mary to pray for us.

00:08:44.280 Why do we ask the saints to pray for us?

00:08:46.300 Again,

00:08:46.620 the same reason you ask Joe down the street to pray for you.

00:08:49.620 We know that the saints are in heaven,

00:08:51.800 but that is the,

00:08:52.420 that is what a saint is by definition,

00:08:54.220 is somebody who is in heaven.

00:08:55.900 And we see in the book of Revelation,

00:08:57.740 we see that the saints are holding pots of prayers as they are before God.

00:09:04.060 Now,

00:09:04.340 if the saints are holding pots of prayers,

00:09:06.480 what are those prayers for?

00:09:07.700 Are those prayers for the other saints?

00:09:09.480 No,

00:09:09.720 the other saints already have it pretty good.

00:09:11.300 They've already,

00:09:11.720 they're already in heaven.

00:09:12.860 Those are prayers for us.

00:09:15.040 Those of us who are not saints yet.

00:09:16.900 You see in the book of Maccabees,

00:09:18.660 you,

00:09:19.300 you have people praying for the dead.

00:09:22.140 So you have an intercessory prayer there as well,

00:09:24.500 praying for the hope of those who have already died,

00:09:26.540 but are not yet in heaven or not yet in paradise.

00:09:29.860 So that's why if Joe down the street is worthy enough to pray for me,

00:09:34.260 certainly the mother of God and the saints in heaven are worthy to pray for me as well.

00:09:37.800 All right.

00:09:38.500 Veronica says Mikey Poo.

00:09:40.080 Is that a new nickname?

00:09:41.140 I'm aware of it.

00:09:42.100 That's okay.

00:09:42.800 Mikey Poo.

00:09:43.420 I am on the university professor track,

00:09:46.160 but I'm really losing hope and ready to burn the system.

00:09:49.200 Should I change course,

00:09:50.600 stay in it to be a voice of reason,

00:09:52.840 go to a lefty school,

00:09:54.340 please help.

00:09:55.120 This is such a tough question.

00:09:56.340 That was like a three in one,

00:09:57.560 but I get all of the,

00:09:58.720 I think the expression and the emotion I get.

00:10:00.780 I totally get where you're coming from.

00:10:02.380 I have a lot of friends now who are trying to become professors,

00:10:05.400 who are early in their academic careers,

00:10:07.420 who are getting PhDs,

00:10:08.940 and they all have this problem.

00:10:10.440 They say the university has been hollowed out from the inside.

00:10:13.840 So you have two options.

00:10:15.100 You can either keep your head down,

00:10:17.600 go along with all the awful pronouns,

00:10:19.760 all the awful revisionism,

00:10:21.000 all the awful political correctness,

00:10:22.800 get tenure,

00:10:24.320 and then be open about your views.

00:10:27.160 First of all,

00:10:27.640 very difficult to do that on the best of circumstances.

00:10:30.260 How long do you have to wait for tenure?

00:10:31.960 For most people,

00:10:32.940 their entire lives and they don't get it,

00:10:34.460 but for some people it could be 20 years,

00:10:36.180 30 years.

00:10:36.700 So you can either do that or you can say,

00:10:39.900 gosh,

00:10:40.180 the universities are really falling apart.

00:10:42.420 Even professors with tenure have been chased out of universities.

00:10:45.660 I know some of them.

00:10:46.920 And one of the alternatives for them are these institutes.

00:10:50.780 You know,

00:10:51.140 the Elm Institute in New Haven is one.

00:10:53.420 There are a lot of think tanks that do summer programs.

00:10:56.320 I got a lot.

00:10:57.180 Hoover,

00:10:57.740 Claremont.

00:10:58.380 Hoover.

00:10:58.700 Yeah.

00:10:58.900 All of these that are associated with universities,

00:11:00.780 but aren't necessarily only employing professors.

00:11:04.040 That might be the smarter option.

00:11:05.780 You can do your work there.

00:11:09.060 You can interact with students.

00:11:10.580 Some of the classical education I got,

00:11:13.780 such as I got it,

00:11:14.880 was really thanks to summer programs

00:11:16.900 and these research institutes

00:11:19.080 that I would do for two months

00:11:20.580 and that would teach me more about our civilization

00:11:22.940 than four years at an elite university.

00:11:25.440 So maybe that's one way that you can have your cake and eat it too.

00:11:28.960 You can have your beliefs.

00:11:29.880 You can be open about what you think.

00:11:31.260 You can publish what you want to publish.

00:11:32.660 And you can also have a career in the academy.

00:11:36.000 I think increasingly it's very difficult for conservatives

00:11:39.840 to have a career in the academy,

00:11:41.660 in large part not because of the other leftist professors,

00:11:44.700 but because of the administrators.

00:11:46.400 The administration of Stanford smeared Andrew Klavan yesterday

00:11:49.780 based on nothing.

00:11:51.040 Said conservatives are not welcome there.

00:11:52.880 The administration of UMKC in Missouri smeared me as some kind of bigot

00:11:56.960 based on nothing.

00:11:58.000 Said that conservatives more or less are not welcome there.

00:12:00.480 You've seen even Christian universities

00:12:03.100 that you thought were conservative do that to Ben Shapiro.

00:12:05.400 Was it Gonzaga or one of those?

00:12:07.720 Gonzaga, GCU, LMU.

00:12:10.340 And that's at ostensibly Christian or conservative universities.

00:12:13.300 So I don't want to rain on your parade.

00:12:16.040 I just want you to have a good career.

00:12:17.860 And so when you look realistically at this,

00:12:19.860 you should consider other options

00:12:21.240 other than the traditional academic route.

00:12:24.020 Because even if you weren't a conservative,

00:12:26.280 I think because the universities have become

00:12:28.900 so rotted out from the inside

00:12:30.340 because we're at the height of an education bubble

00:12:33.060 that is going to burst.

00:12:35.100 Even if you were a leftist,

00:12:36.480 I would say maybe consider some alternatives

00:12:38.800 in which you might be more successful.

00:12:41.600 All right.

00:12:42.000 Rob says,

00:12:42.720 Hello, Your Honor.

00:12:43.660 Do you believe the abortion controversy

00:12:45.620 is an indication of a larger return to religion?

00:12:49.680 Perhaps.

00:12:50.820 I mean, it is the case that the big divide among abortion

00:12:53.680 is not between men and women.

00:12:54.980 Men and women have basically the same views about abortion.

00:12:57.160 It's not even strictly a question of Republican or Democrat.

00:13:01.900 The biggest predictor is religiosity.

00:13:04.920 And it's not because the science

00:13:06.560 is not on the side of the religious people.

00:13:09.620 Science is very clear.

00:13:10.700 The word conception, by definition,

00:13:12.920 means that's when life begins.

00:13:14.980 It's because we have a view, if you are religious,

00:13:18.340 of human life as intrinsically worthwhile

00:13:20.360 and as intrinsically valuable.

00:13:22.280 We have a view of the moral law as objectively true

00:13:24.660 and not just some illusion as moral relativists

00:13:28.440 and many on the secular left would say.

00:13:30.680 So there is a religious component to it.

00:13:33.580 And I think maybe we're having a return to religion

00:13:36.220 as a culture because we couldn't get more secular.

00:13:39.600 We've gone so far in the secular direction.

00:13:42.220 You've got a whole generation of people,

00:13:44.240 millennials, Gen Z,

00:13:45.500 who have been raised more or less without religion.

00:13:48.660 Even the ones who have been raised with religion

00:13:50.480 have this soft soap, saccharine, sentimental religion

00:13:54.120 that's not based in real orthodoxy.

00:13:56.620 And I think what people want

00:13:57.740 when they're asking serious questions

00:13:59.560 are serious answers.

00:14:01.500 They want orthodoxy.

00:14:03.180 C.S. Lewis said,

00:14:04.400 if you look for truth,

00:14:06.020 you might find comfort in the end.

00:14:07.700 If you look for comfort,

00:14:09.000 you'll find neither truth nor comfort.

00:14:11.060 Only soft soap and wishful thinking

00:14:12.660 to begin and in the end despair.

00:14:14.920 I think the reason Jordan Peterson

00:14:16.060 is so popular right now

00:14:17.940 is he's telling people,

00:14:19.280 look, there's meaning in the world.

00:14:21.880 There is metaphysical meaning in the world.

00:14:24.820 And this leads people

00:14:25.920 to a lot of religious questions

00:14:28.000 and ultimately, I think,

00:14:29.360 to an orthodox faith.

00:14:30.740 They're certainly coinciding,

00:14:32.640 but I don't know if it's the religion

00:14:33.840 leading people back to pro-life.

00:14:35.780 I think it's people asking basic questions.

00:14:37.940 If a baby's not a baby, what is it?

00:14:40.760 If it's wrong to kill a baby,

00:14:43.620 why is it wrong?

00:14:44.840 Why would it be right?

00:14:45.800 I think it's actually those questions

00:14:47.800 ultimately leading people back

00:14:50.080 to a religious faith

00:14:51.620 or a quasi-religious faith.

00:14:52.900 I think also you're seeing,

00:14:54.380 thank God for the advent of modern medicine

00:14:57.920 and the level of detail

00:15:00.380 and the fact that the point of viability now

00:15:02.320 is so young.

00:15:03.380 It can be 20 weeks.

00:15:04.440 It can be 20 weeks.

00:15:05.640 I mean, at 24 weeks,

00:15:07.040 they tell you that there's a 60% chance.

00:15:09.740 At 28, it jumps up to like 90.

00:15:11.800 Yeah.

00:15:12.040 In 31 weeks,

00:15:12.980 heaven forbid I were to go into labor right now,

00:15:15.920 she would maybe have to be in NICU

00:15:17.280 for a couple of days.

00:15:18.280 Right.

00:15:19.000 It is incredible that modern medicine,

00:15:21.220 and I think the majority,

00:15:22.540 I mean, upwards of 70% of even millennials

00:15:24.880 in the country,

00:15:26.000 recognize that abortion past 20 weeks

00:15:28.580 just doesn't make any sense.

00:15:30.220 And now because of those medical technologies.

00:15:31.840 Because of science,

00:15:32.260 not even because of religious perspective.

00:15:33.920 Right.

00:15:34.220 Because of technological advancements.

00:15:35.980 There was a video that just came out today.

00:15:37.940 Missouri just outlawed abortion

00:15:39.460 after eight weeks.

00:15:40.680 There is a video of a little baby

00:15:42.580 in the womb at eight weeks.

00:15:44.800 And, you know,

00:15:45.500 it doesn't look exactly like you or me.

00:15:47.720 It's clearly a baby.

00:15:49.140 It's got its fingers.

00:15:50.300 It's got its toes.

00:15:51.220 It's got its little eyes

00:15:52.060 and its little mouth.

00:15:52.880 Beating heart.

00:15:53.600 Beating, yes,

00:15:54.420 it's got a beating heart.

00:15:55.680 Certainly,

00:15:56.260 it's had a beating heart

00:15:57.240 for at least,

00:15:57.980 excuse me,

00:15:59.620 two weeks by then.

00:16:01.300 You can tell it's a baby.

00:16:02.860 You can see that.

00:16:04.460 And you can't unsee that.

00:16:06.300 Yeah.

00:16:06.860 All right.

00:16:07.300 Veronica wants to know,

00:16:08.620 is there any way

00:16:09.180 that we can convert

00:16:10.200 or cut out squishy conservatives

00:16:12.220 from our group?

00:16:13.960 Oh, yes.

00:16:14.940 There have been,

00:16:15.940 well,

00:16:16.320 there's a range of squishes.

00:16:18.260 I mean...

00:16:19.740 Squishes on different topics.

00:16:21.120 So what you might think

00:16:21.920 is a squish on one topic,

00:16:23.080 I might think is a squish on another.

00:16:24.960 Right, right.

00:16:25.880 So,

00:16:26.120 but even the squishiness

00:16:28.000 is a little interesting.

00:16:29.080 I mean,

00:16:29.460 everyone's talking about

00:16:30.340 the abortion debate right now.

00:16:31.720 I would never call

00:16:32.420 Pat Robertson a squish.

00:16:34.080 I mean,

00:16:34.260 he's a guy who referred

00:16:35.180 to feminism

00:16:36.020 as an anti-family

00:16:38.100 socialist movement

00:16:39.060 that teaches women

00:16:40.060 to leave their husbands,

00:16:41.340 destroy capitalism,

00:16:42.440 practice witchcraft,

00:16:43.220 and become lesbians.

00:16:44.140 He's a pretty hardcore guy.

00:16:46.000 And he said,

00:16:46.960 this abortion law

00:16:47.620 is too extreme.

00:16:48.540 Tommy Lauren over at Fox News

00:16:50.080 said,

00:16:50.380 this abortion law

00:16:51.040 is too extreme.

00:16:52.100 I don't like it.

00:16:54.220 People are going

00:16:55.080 a little squishy

00:16:55.700 on this issue

00:16:56.400 because

00:16:57.080 some think

00:16:58.940 as a matter of prudence

00:17:00.940 that this is

00:17:02.080 not going to succeed

00:17:03.360 at the Supreme Court.

00:17:04.260 and it's harder

00:17:05.420 to argue

00:17:05.960 for anti-abortion

00:17:08.500 at the first

00:17:09.660 eight weeks

00:17:10.380 than it is

00:17:10.820 at the back eight weeks.

00:17:12.560 And some of them

00:17:13.080 actually don't care

00:17:14.000 about abortion at all

00:17:14.840 and they wish

00:17:15.240 we would drop this issue

00:17:16.240 as pro-life conservatives.

00:17:18.960 Fight the fight.

00:17:19.920 Fight the fight.

00:17:20.600 I mean,

00:17:20.980 look,

00:17:21.320 it's all good talk.

00:17:22.440 You can talk

00:17:23.180 a good pro-life game.

00:17:24.360 When it comes down

00:17:25.040 to the laws,

00:17:25.680 are you going

00:17:25.940 to support the laws?

00:17:27.300 Are you going

00:17:27.640 to defend life

00:17:28.320 or are you going

00:17:28.840 to say,

00:17:29.300 well,

00:17:29.680 I didn't really mean that.

00:17:30.720 I want everybody

00:17:31.340 in the popular culture

00:17:32.560 to like me.

00:17:33.300 What is it?

00:17:33.740 I mean,

00:17:34.020 this issue

00:17:35.000 in particular

00:17:35.660 is separating

00:17:36.660 the pro-life wheat

00:17:37.560 from the pro-life chaff

00:17:39.160 and that's not to say

00:17:41.060 that we don't need

00:17:41.540 a big tent.

00:17:42.220 We don't want people

00:17:43.440 from different perspectives

00:17:44.960 to support

00:17:45.480 a conservative agenda

00:17:46.460 and the Republican Party

00:17:48.480 in so much

00:17:49.040 as they are conservative.

00:17:50.580 Don't put the cart

00:17:51.420 before the horse.

00:17:52.200 Don't compromise

00:17:52.800 on important issues.

00:17:53.740 If you're not going

00:17:55.180 to back these laws

00:17:57.300 which are enacting

00:17:58.920 what the pro-life movement

00:17:59.800 has been talking

00:18:00.340 about for decades,

00:18:02.060 then you're just

00:18:02.540 a big fake.

00:18:03.560 You're a total phony.

00:18:04.620 So do it.

00:18:05.520 I mean,

00:18:05.880 put your money

00:18:06.420 where your mouth is

00:18:07.260 or don't.

00:18:08.540 But don't compromise

00:18:09.880 on an important issue

00:18:11.760 and on a principle

00:18:12.520 in the hope of being

00:18:15.180 a little bit more popular

00:18:16.740 among people

00:18:17.360 who aren't going

00:18:17.980 to support you anyway.

00:18:19.260 I think that's totally

00:18:20.140 putting the cart

00:18:20.720 before the horse.

00:18:21.760 All right.

00:18:22.180 Timothy says,

00:18:23.060 Michael from the block.

00:18:24.440 Lots of new nicknames

00:18:25.440 for you today.

00:18:26.000 I like it.

00:18:26.560 All right.

00:18:27.140 Have you seen

00:18:27.640 the new Tolkien movie?

00:18:28.780 I think he means

00:18:29.520 it's supposed to be

00:18:30.540 like the romanticized

00:18:31.260 autobiography.

00:18:32.380 A biopic of J.R.R. Tolkien.

00:18:34.820 Yes.

00:18:35.040 And if so,

00:18:36.260 what are your thoughts

00:18:36.880 about it?

00:18:37.280 I've heard that it

00:18:38.120 fails to represent

00:18:39.240 how important faith was

00:18:40.560 to him in his life.

00:18:42.040 I haven't seen the movie

00:18:42.820 so I can't comment on it.

00:18:44.140 I've read all the same

00:18:44.920 reviews of it

00:18:45.620 that you have.

00:18:46.860 J.R.R. Tolkien

00:18:47.860 was probably what,

00:18:51.100 who's that comedian

00:18:52.340 who always talks

00:18:53.220 about food?

00:18:54.260 Oh, Jim Gaffigan.

00:18:54.920 Jim Gaffigan.

00:18:55.760 He was the sort of...

00:18:57.000 He's Catholic.

00:18:57.560 Yeah.

00:18:57.960 And has like

00:18:58.400 5,000 children.

00:19:00.160 A zillion kids, yeah.

00:19:00.500 Uh-huh.

00:19:00.840 Home birther, by the way.

00:19:02.000 I believe it.

00:19:02.860 Well, his wife is,

00:19:03.540 not him.

00:19:04.160 He jokes that he takes naps.

00:19:05.580 Uh-huh, right.

00:19:06.620 He, J.R.R. Tolkien

00:19:08.180 was the sort of Catholic

00:19:09.320 who Gaffigan would probably

00:19:11.360 refer to as a Shiite Catholic.

00:19:12.900 I mean, he was

00:19:13.480 like pretty hardcore.

00:19:15.200 He would jokingly refer

00:19:16.420 to C.S. Lewis

00:19:17.040 as his heretic friend

00:19:18.180 because Lewis was

00:19:19.160 an Anglican.

00:19:20.880 The Catholic faith

00:19:22.000 was central and essential

00:19:23.780 to J.R.R. Tolkien's life.

00:19:25.900 If the movie isn't

00:19:27.000 almost entirely about that,

00:19:30.060 then it's probably failed

00:19:31.640 to portray Tolkien's life.

00:19:34.460 And some of the reviews

00:19:35.300 have said it barely

00:19:36.020 mentions it at all.

00:19:37.040 Really?

00:19:37.460 Yeah.

00:19:37.980 Again, I can't comment on it

00:19:39.260 because I haven't seen it.

00:19:40.140 But if that's the case,

00:19:41.120 then probably the film

00:19:43.000 is not worth very much

00:19:43.980 as a biographical piece.

00:19:45.260 So I often have

00:19:46.040 this conversation

00:19:46.720 with friends.

00:19:47.500 I'm a non-denominational person.

00:19:50.220 You're a devout Catholic.

00:19:51.760 I'm practicing.

00:19:52.520 I'm going to keep on practicing

00:19:53.420 until I get it right.

00:19:54.760 I don't know.

00:19:55.720 You guys believe

00:19:56.340 in purgatory, right?

00:19:56.880 I need a lot of practice

00:19:57.720 is what I need, yeah.

00:19:58.960 And we often talk

00:20:00.260 amongst family and friends

00:20:01.420 of how don't make,

00:20:02.820 and Drew,

00:20:03.220 Andrew Claven says this a lot,

00:20:04.800 don't make Christian movies,

00:20:06.200 make movies.

00:20:07.140 Yeah.

00:20:07.840 Don't make Christian music,

00:20:09.140 just make good music.

00:20:10.120 And I wish that something

00:20:11.520 like Hollywood would understand

00:20:12.940 that you can still make

00:20:13.880 a good biopic about someone

00:20:16.580 without it seeming too religious.

00:20:19.740 Yeah, well.

00:20:20.080 You know, because religion

00:20:20.700 was so important to him,

00:20:22.580 his friendships,

00:20:23.400 his marriage,

00:20:24.000 his writing.

00:20:24.780 Right.

00:20:25.420 It was a huge part of that.

00:20:28.000 Yeah.

00:20:28.260 And there's allegories

00:20:28.940 like everywhere in his writing.

00:20:30.440 The Lord of the Rings.

00:20:31.100 How can they not include that?

00:20:33.480 Like to just gloss over it

00:20:34.760 really, I think,

00:20:36.200 loses the richness

00:20:36.960 of a beautiful story.

00:20:38.100 Of course.

00:20:38.540 I mean, it would be,

00:20:40.260 make a movie about Jerry Falwell,

00:20:42.620 but don't talk about Christianity.

00:20:44.420 Make a movie about the Pope,

00:20:45.780 but don't talk about Christianity.

00:20:47.040 Okay.

00:20:47.400 I mean, I don't,

00:20:48.620 what's the movie

00:20:49.100 going to be about then?

00:20:50.240 You know, you've got to,

00:20:52.020 Hollywood and the left

00:20:54.200 generally prioritize

00:20:55.940 their narrative, right?

00:20:57.620 They want their,

00:20:58.640 in the JFK movie,

00:21:00.100 they talk,

00:21:00.680 they don't talk about

00:21:01.720 how a communist

00:21:02.420 killed the president,

00:21:03.340 which is actually what happened.

00:21:04.800 They come up with

00:21:05.600 all these conspiracies

00:21:06.660 of Republicans in Texas

00:21:07.860 or whatever.

00:21:08.540 If the facts don't fit

00:21:09.640 their narrative,

00:21:10.220 they go with the narrative.

00:21:11.400 But at a certain point,

00:21:12.700 it just becomes ridiculous

00:21:14.340 and it diminishes the value

00:21:16.900 of the story

00:21:17.420 they're trying to tell.

00:21:18.740 Samuel says,

00:21:19.220 Regarding school choice,

00:21:20.340 are you not worried

00:21:21.020 that private schools

00:21:21.800 will increase their cost

00:21:22.860 of tuition

00:21:23.300 like colleges have

00:21:24.360 when government began

00:21:25.800 to subsidize them?

00:21:27.260 Not particularly.

00:21:28.880 I mean,

00:21:30.580 there have been

00:21:31.720 school choice experiments

00:21:33.460 throughout the rest

00:21:34.340 of the world.

00:21:34.940 Sweden has near perfect

00:21:36.720 school choice

00:21:37.780 and it's increased

00:21:39.900 the quality of education

00:21:41.040 rather than decreased it.

00:21:42.060 There are secondary effects

00:21:43.420 to any sort of

00:21:44.380 massive government policy

00:21:45.900 that you are going to see.

00:21:47.660 But again,

00:21:48.180 this is why school choice

00:21:49.080 is not really

00:21:49.900 a federal policy.

00:21:51.140 I mean,

00:21:51.320 this is why education

00:21:52.500 is run by the states

00:21:53.700 and should certainly

00:21:55.200 be run by the states.

00:21:56.860 And it does increase competition.

00:21:59.660 Obviously,

00:22:00.160 it's being funded

00:22:01.020 in some part

00:22:01.620 by the government.

00:22:02.260 But you are getting

00:22:03.680 all of these schools

00:22:04.380 to compete against each other

00:22:05.840 for those federal dollars.

00:22:07.820 So I think

00:22:08.760 rather than

00:22:10.260 lowering standards

00:22:11.960 or increasing price

00:22:12.920 everywhere that we've tried it,

00:22:14.640 you've seen

00:22:15.120 the quality of the education

00:22:17.520 increase dramatically.

00:22:18.840 Just to use one example,

00:22:20.280 in the state of Florida

00:22:21.500 under Jeb Bush,

00:22:23.380 Florida had ranked

00:22:24.320 number 48th in the nation.

00:22:26.040 That's bad.

00:22:26.440 It was awful.

00:22:27.240 They instituted

00:22:27.860 a ton of school choice

00:22:29.260 thanks to Betsy DeVos

00:22:30.240 and to Jeb Bush

00:22:31.180 and they rose up

00:22:32.320 to be within the top 10

00:22:33.660 in the country.

00:22:34.420 In some cases,

00:22:35.280 within the top five.

00:22:37.940 That's the only statistic

00:22:38.960 I need to say

00:22:39.560 we need to try this

00:22:40.240 in all the other laboratories

00:22:41.480 of democracy

00:22:42.220 around the country.

00:22:43.040 I think the point

00:22:43.700 about competition

00:22:44.320 is so true.

00:22:45.180 In addition to that,

00:22:46.120 it's not just

00:22:46.700 them competing

00:22:47.700 for federal dollars,

00:22:48.820 it's parents having

00:22:49.660 that money

00:22:50.240 via vouchers,

00:22:51.580 for example,

00:22:52.300 or tax incentive,

00:22:53.520 tax write-off,

00:22:54.460 that can then

00:22:55.540 empower them

00:22:56.840 to make the best decision

00:22:57.700 for them and their child.

00:22:58.600 Totally.

00:22:58.920 I mean,

00:22:59.120 they're even,

00:22:59.460 I heard

00:23:00.960 Secretary of Education

00:23:02.760 Betsy DeVos

00:23:03.500 talking about

00:23:04.360 education savings accounts.

00:23:06.000 You know,

00:23:06.400 you have a health

00:23:06.860 savings account.

00:23:07.600 Why not an education

00:23:08.260 savings account?

00:23:10.200 What that would do

00:23:10.920 is allow you to use,

00:23:12.120 maybe you want to spend

00:23:12.860 some money on one course

00:23:13.940 at a community college.

00:23:15.080 Then you want to take

00:23:15.800 one course

00:23:16.480 at a Catholic school.

00:23:17.820 Then you want to take

00:23:18.280 one course

00:23:18.860 at a trade school.

00:23:20.340 And if you don't use

00:23:22.020 all of that money,

00:23:22.620 it can roll over.

00:23:23.380 If you don't use it

00:23:23.980 by the time you finish

00:23:24.740 high school,

00:23:25.560 it can go toward college.

00:23:26.980 These are the sort

00:23:28.780 of education reforms

00:23:30.180 that you're really

00:23:30.860 only seeing on the right.

00:23:33.020 And what is the left

00:23:33.900 offering?

00:23:34.760 It's more of the same.

00:23:36.460 They want to,

00:23:37.580 the guy who was running

00:23:38.640 for governor,

00:23:39.820 Andrew Gillum,

00:23:40.760 governor of Florida,

00:23:41.600 he just got beaten out

00:23:42.900 by Ron DeSantis.

00:23:44.360 He promised to undo

00:23:45.600 all of those education reforms.

00:23:47.700 Send these kids

00:23:48.320 right back down

00:23:49.060 to number 48.

00:23:49.740 And when you dig

00:23:50.720 into the statistics,

00:23:52.580 when you dig into

00:23:53.200 the actual election numbers,

00:23:55.200 you'll see Ron DeSantis

00:23:56.260 doubled the support

00:23:58.420 for a Republican

00:23:59.140 among black women

00:24:01.200 than anyone else.

00:24:02.600 Why?

00:24:03.320 Because he was saying,

00:24:04.340 I'll allow your children

00:24:05.680 to have a chance

00:24:06.680 at an education.

00:24:07.540 This is something

00:24:07.960 that I think that

00:24:08.740 even in leftist,

00:24:10.620 socialist California,

00:24:12.240 polls incredibly well

00:24:13.380 across the board

00:24:14.200 because you have moms,

00:24:15.980 specifically minority,

00:24:17.540 single mothers

00:24:18.140 in this state

00:24:19.080 that of course

00:24:19.900 they want what's best

00:24:20.660 for their child.

00:24:21.660 And if the government

00:24:22.780 can give them the freedom

00:24:24.100 to choose the best

00:24:25.300 educational future

00:24:26.140 for their kid

00:24:26.900 and help them

00:24:27.660 find a way out,

00:24:28.420 why wouldn't they take it?

00:24:29.260 I don't know why

00:24:29.760 Republicans don't run on that

00:24:30.840 in states like California.

00:24:32.360 Yeah, well,

00:24:32.960 when they do run on it,

00:24:34.020 even in left-wing states,

00:24:35.140 they tend to do a lot better

00:24:36.340 than when they don't.

00:24:38.160 So I think it's

00:24:38.780 a totally winning issue

00:24:39.660 and I'm not afraid

00:24:40.480 of it at all.

00:24:41.260 Let's go for it.

00:24:42.180 All right,

00:24:42.480 I don't know

00:24:43.320 how to say this.

00:24:44.480 I guess Freedom Tune?

00:24:45.980 Danny wants to know

00:24:46.840 if you've seen

00:24:47.280 Freedom Tune's parody of Ben.

00:24:49.080 Oh, it's so great.

00:24:51.560 I don't think

00:24:51.980 I've seen this.

00:24:52.500 It's great.

00:24:53.140 It's Ben's whole family

00:24:54.280 imagined through

00:24:55.300 the lens of Freedom Tunes

00:24:56.300 and they all just look

00:24:57.280 and sound exactly like Ben

00:24:58.500 and they're at the dinner table.

00:24:59.800 I will tell you,

00:25:00.760 I mean,

00:25:00.980 I know Ben for years

00:25:02.260 and his family,

00:25:03.300 completely accurate, right?

00:25:04.380 I mean,

00:25:04.540 you know that you've seen it.

00:25:05.500 It's completely,

00:25:06.260 even down to the little baby

00:25:07.600 just like,

00:25:08.420 goo goo ga ga,

00:25:09.060 facts don't care about your feelings.

00:25:10.120 It's just completely spot on.

00:25:11.960 The baby that speaks

00:25:12.940 like five languages.

00:25:14.120 Everyone in that family,

00:25:15.220 this is where,

00:25:17.020 you know,

00:25:17.480 Ben and I often joke

00:25:18.380 that our oldest,

00:25:19.440 his will take over the world

00:25:21.700 and mine will run the PR for it

00:25:23.400 because,

00:25:24.280 like,

00:25:25.480 genetics matter.

00:25:26.560 Yeah, right.

00:25:27.020 And everyone in the Shapiro household

00:25:28.880 is just a genius.

00:25:31.120 All of the siblings,

00:25:32.600 the parents.

00:25:33.100 Speaking fast,

00:25:33.920 mind moving a mile a minute.

00:25:35.180 The kids,

00:25:35.600 the in-laws,

00:25:36.300 it's not fair.

00:25:38.440 It's,

00:25:38.960 you know,

00:25:40.000 we're feeding into

00:25:41.100 the conspiracy theory

00:25:42.000 that they control the world.

00:25:43.300 That's true.

00:25:43.900 But only the Shapiros.

00:25:45.160 Only the Shapiros, right.

00:25:46.760 Veronica says,

00:25:47.600 Knowles,

00:25:48.240 why don't Republicans

00:25:49.000 have any cojones

00:25:50.100 to get things done?

00:25:51.340 Like you said,

00:25:52.080 they're often disappointments

00:25:53.880 to conservatives.

00:25:54.760 What's wrong?

00:25:55.640 Are they really not

00:25:56.360 conservatives at heart?

00:25:57.820 Also,

00:25:58.480 are your glasses

00:25:59.040 from Morby Parker?

00:26:00.320 Very.

00:26:01.120 You're not only

00:26:01.760 an astute observer of politics,

00:26:03.380 you're an astute observer

00:26:04.440 of aesthetics as well.

00:26:05.880 Fashion.

00:26:06.440 They are.

00:26:06.980 I actually,

00:26:07.540 I was on Fox and Friends

00:26:08.960 one morning

00:26:09.640 and Steve Doocy comes out.

00:26:11.600 He's got his,

00:26:12.120 like a zillion dollar

00:26:12.980 wardrobe on

00:26:13.620 and he comes up,

00:26:14.080 he goes,

00:26:14.540 hey Knowles,

00:26:15.300 Warby Parker,

00:26:15.920 hundred bucks,

00:26:16.600 aren't they great?

00:26:18.140 Oh man,

00:26:18.860 this is perfect.

00:26:20.520 On to your actual question

00:26:21.900 about Republicans

00:26:22.520 being squishes.

00:26:23.480 Yeah,

00:26:23.660 it's very frustrating.

00:26:26.120 The reason

00:26:27.040 that this happens

00:26:28.460 to a lot of Republicans

00:26:29.660 is because

00:26:30.600 their currency,

00:26:33.400 the thing they want,

00:26:34.480 the thing that gives them value

00:26:35.780 is votes.

00:26:38.040 It's not ideological purity,

00:26:40.300 it's not accomplishing

00:26:41.320 the agenda they set out

00:26:42.280 to accomplish,

00:26:43.200 it's not making

00:26:44.200 conservatives happy,

00:26:46.400 it's votes,

00:26:47.400 it's getting votes

00:26:48.340 and people who are elected

00:26:50.060 to high offices

00:26:50.900 are really,

00:26:52.900 really,

00:26:53.220 really good

00:26:53.920 at getting votes

00:26:54.560 and to get votes,

00:26:56.120 you don't need to be right,

00:26:57.240 you just have to be popular

00:26:58.240 and so there's that,

00:27:01.360 there is a huge incentive

00:27:02.620 among Republicans

00:27:04.220 to do that.

00:27:05.400 Some Republicans

00:27:06.200 hate conservatives.

00:27:08.460 I've met a number of them.

00:27:09.680 They feel much more comfortable

00:27:11.880 with Democrats

00:27:13.280 and left-wingers

00:27:14.200 than they do

00:27:15.340 with conservatives.

00:27:17.240 Like John McCain

00:27:18.200 called conservatives

00:27:19.000 wacko birds,

00:27:19.960 remember that?

00:27:22.300 Nuts, lunatics,

00:27:23.480 that sort of thing.

00:27:24.060 They would feel much better

00:27:25.380 at a cocktail party

00:27:26.740 in D.C.

00:27:27.260 with Democrats,

00:27:27.880 even though the Democrats

00:27:28.660 want to raise taxes

00:27:29.660 and they want to lower taxes.

00:27:31.820 Ultimately,

00:27:32.440 they feel much more comfortable

00:27:33.400 with them

00:27:33.860 than with conservatives.

00:27:35.360 It's like they're embarrassed

00:27:36.500 of us.

00:27:37.240 The conservatives

00:27:37.680 are good enough

00:27:38.140 to get them elected

00:27:38.840 but then they don't

00:27:40.080 want to talk to them.

00:27:40.820 It's so,

00:27:41.140 oh,

00:27:41.360 I want to hang out

00:27:42.180 with my new cool friends

00:27:43.140 who are all Democrats.

00:27:44.100 I don't want to be seen

00:27:44.900 with you weird,

00:27:45.680 loser conservatives.

00:27:46.840 That's very frustrating

00:27:47.860 and the way

00:27:49.680 that conservatives

00:27:50.700 fight that

00:27:51.400 is to not take it.

00:27:54.960 I mean,

00:27:55.400 on these big issues

00:27:56.700 like the abortion issue

00:27:58.460 which we're all

00:27:59.060 dealing with all week

00:28:00.140 in all of these states

00:28:00.820 across the country,

00:28:02.600 say the truth.

00:28:03.520 Say the truth fearlessly.

00:28:05.220 Hold people

00:28:05.740 in your own party

00:28:06.460 to account

00:28:07.080 and if they go squishy,

00:28:09.620 throw them out.

00:28:11.280 Throw them out of office.

00:28:12.800 I mean,

00:28:13.080 you don't,

00:28:13.520 it does us no good

00:28:14.680 to have a Republican

00:28:15.580 in name only

00:28:16.580 in the legislature

00:28:18.200 or in an executive role.

00:28:20.600 Don't you feel like

00:28:21.200 that's kind of a,

00:28:22.240 a rhino

00:28:23.480 is less likely now

00:28:24.960 though I think

00:28:25.460 partly since the Tea Party movement

00:28:27.260 but also in the age of Trump

00:28:28.480 that you're not getting people

00:28:31.140 that are as squishy?

00:28:32.540 Yeah.

00:28:32.760 And the beauty of our system

00:28:33.720 is that they are supposed to

00:28:35.880 or typically represent

00:28:37.100 their constituency?

00:28:38.320 Well,

00:28:38.720 this is something

00:28:39.780 that Trump really has changed

00:28:42.100 for the better

00:28:42.720 which is that

00:28:43.500 before Donald Trump

00:28:44.580 people would go on stage,

00:28:47.500 typical politicians,

00:28:48.520 even politicians

00:28:49.180 that I like

00:28:49.700 and they would say something

00:28:50.960 and you would know

00:28:52.660 that it wasn't true

00:28:53.600 and you,

00:28:54.580 but,

00:28:54.800 okay.

00:28:55.660 They would promise something

00:28:56.300 that you know

00:28:56.700 it's never going to come to pass.

00:28:57.860 But you know that it means

00:28:59.500 something else,

00:29:00.300 right?

00:29:01.040 And so,

00:29:02.080 here's an example.

00:29:03.100 Every politician

00:29:03.860 of both parties

00:29:04.500 would say

00:29:05.540 we need to move

00:29:06.160 our embassy

00:29:06.620 in Israel

00:29:07.820 to Jerusalem.

00:29:09.000 That was back

00:29:09.700 when both parties

00:29:10.280 liked Israel.

00:29:11.040 Now the Democrats

00:29:11.680 don't like Israel

00:29:12.480 so they stopped saying that,

00:29:14.160 right?

00:29:14.360 But the Republicans

00:29:14.880 kept saying that.

00:29:15.780 But we still thought

00:29:16.480 there's no way

00:29:16.960 that anyone does it.

00:29:17.820 So Trump,

00:29:18.380 he's kind of new

00:29:18.840 to the political scene,

00:29:19.620 he comes up,

00:29:20.020 he says,

00:29:20.260 yeah,

00:29:20.540 we're going to move

00:29:21.060 our embassy in Israel

00:29:22.040 to Jerusalem.

00:29:23.020 So he gets in office,

00:29:23.920 what does he do?

00:29:24.400 He moves the embassy

00:29:25.000 in Israel to Jerusalem

00:29:25.900 and everyone loses

00:29:27.440 their minds,

00:29:28.280 Republicans as well.

00:29:29.160 He says,

00:29:29.260 you're not supposed

00:29:29.780 to do that.

00:29:31.900 Everybody,

00:29:32.800 it's been the official

00:29:33.800 policy of the United States

00:29:34.920 since 1995.

00:29:37.020 Everybody was just saying it,

00:29:38.240 now I do it

00:29:38.800 and you're all mad at me.

00:29:40.000 He said,

00:29:40.180 yeah,

00:29:40.360 you're supposed to say it

00:29:41.260 but you're not supposed

00:29:41.920 to do it.

00:29:42.780 I think what Trump

00:29:43.520 has shown us

00:29:44.340 is voters will reward

00:29:47.440 authenticity.

00:29:49.560 Even,

00:29:50.100 you know,

00:29:50.600 Donald Trump

00:29:51.300 has a checkered past

00:29:52.420 in his personal life

00:29:53.620 to put it mildly.

00:29:55.080 But he's pretty authentic

00:29:56.700 about it.

00:29:57.560 He doesn't really

00:29:58.100 cover it up.

00:29:58.840 It's been in the tabloids

00:29:59.820 since the 1980s

00:30:00.820 and he's kept more

00:30:03.180 of his promises

00:30:03.820 than any president

00:30:05.040 in my lifetime

00:30:05.980 for all of his craziness

00:30:08.520 and I think that's,

00:30:10.660 that has opened up

00:30:11.380 the window for discussion

00:30:12.380 and shown conservatives,

00:30:13.660 hey,

00:30:14.280 you can say what you mean,

00:30:16.100 you can then do

00:30:17.140 what you said

00:30:17.760 that you would do

00:30:18.400 and voters will reward

00:30:20.200 you for that.

00:30:20.800 That's a great change

00:30:21.940 and I hope that it continues

00:30:23.800 after Trump.

00:30:24.600 All righty.

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00:30:49.480 featuring New York Times

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00:30:55.420 Ben Shapiro.

00:30:56.220 Featuring another

00:30:56.900 number one best-selling author.

00:30:59.100 Oh.

00:30:59.700 Featuring another one.

00:31:00.180 Were you number one though?

00:31:01.240 Number one, baby.

00:31:02.140 On the Times list?

00:31:03.140 Oh no,

00:31:03.400 the Times threw me out.

00:31:04.680 The Times,

00:31:05.200 I don't even want to talk

00:31:05.940 about the Times.

00:31:06.440 And I hear I thought

00:31:07.500 the gray lady

00:31:08.120 had lost their good reputation.

00:31:11.020 Brutal.

00:31:11.820 All right.

00:31:12.620 Jacob says,

00:31:13.320 MB,

00:31:14.080 what chances do you think

00:31:15.340 there are of an overturning

00:31:16.940 of Roe v. Wade,

00:31:17.620 if any?

00:31:18.920 I think it's a non-zero chance.

00:31:21.500 I think there is a chance

00:31:22.680 of overturning Roe v. Wade.

00:31:23.960 I think it's the best chance

00:31:24.760 we've had since Roe v. Wade.

00:31:26.900 I'm not holding my breath.

00:31:28.920 I think that the court

00:31:31.180 under John Roberts

00:31:33.300 is interested in maintaining

00:31:35.340 its integrity.

00:31:37.020 Which ironically means

00:31:38.900 not having any integrity, right?

00:31:40.460 The Supreme Court

00:31:41.140 watches the election returns

00:31:42.500 and John Roberts

00:31:43.580 has shown himself

00:31:44.280 to be a highly political

00:31:47.080 chief justice

00:31:48.260 of the Supreme Court.

00:31:50.060 I'm not holding my breath,

00:31:51.360 but I have hope.

00:31:52.860 I'm not optimistic.

00:31:53.880 I'm not pessimistic.

00:31:54.820 I have hope.

00:31:55.780 They say the difference

00:31:56.620 between a Scottish optimist

00:31:57.840 and a Scottish pessimist.

00:31:59.140 Scottish pessimist says

00:32:00.360 things can't get any worse.

00:32:02.380 Scottish optimist says

00:32:03.360 things can get worse.

00:32:04.700 I promise you.

00:32:05.400 optimism and pessimism

00:32:07.280 are two sides

00:32:07.780 of the same coin.

00:32:08.380 I have hope

00:32:09.300 even if they don't

00:32:11.680 overturn Roe v. Wade,

00:32:13.240 we're not going anywhere.

00:32:14.660 They thought that they ended

00:32:15.600 the abortion discussion

00:32:16.480 in 1973.

00:32:18.220 America is much more

00:32:18.940 pro-life now

00:32:19.500 than it was in 1973.

00:32:21.100 So, fine.

00:32:21.880 Do your worst.

00:32:22.700 I hope the Supreme Court

00:32:23.700 has integrity

00:32:24.620 and overturns

00:32:25.820 the worst decision

00:32:26.960 in American history,

00:32:28.320 Roe v. Wade.

00:32:29.000 And if they don't,

00:32:30.660 all right,

00:32:31.040 see you next time, guys.

00:32:32.140 That optimism

00:32:33.200 versus pessimism argument

00:32:35.040 is something that

00:32:35.880 Dennis Prager

00:32:36.660 and Ben Shapiro

00:32:37.260 often have.

00:32:38.260 Do they?

00:32:38.820 Yeah.

00:32:39.060 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:39.620 It's funny.

00:32:40.340 I actually have a third view

00:32:42.020 on optimism and pessimism

00:32:43.380 because they're both

00:32:44.740 just feelings, right?

00:32:45.820 They're optimism

00:32:46.560 and pessimism say,

00:32:47.660 forget the circumstances.

00:32:49.620 I'm only going to

00:32:50.940 have this feeling

00:32:52.760 all the time.

00:32:53.600 But I mean,

00:32:54.480 I think real hope

00:32:55.800 is the knowledge

00:32:56.840 that things are

00:32:57.640 going to keep getting worse.

00:32:58.860 Things are going to keep

00:33:00.020 just getting worse

00:33:00.720 and worse and worse.

00:33:01.340 So you're a pessimistic optimist?

00:33:03.040 In a sense, yeah,

00:33:03.960 because I know...

00:33:05.320 Prager, I think,

00:33:05.660 says he's an optimistic pessimist.

00:33:07.240 Yeah.

00:33:07.740 I mean,

00:33:08.080 the reason I feel that way

00:33:10.340 is I know that eventually

00:33:12.180 this old world

00:33:13.140 is going to stop spinning.

00:33:14.100 The sun is going to go out.

00:33:15.320 I'm going to turn to worm food.

00:33:17.160 But hey,

00:33:17.600 my savior lives.

00:33:18.400 I can have hope in that.

00:33:19.360 All righty.

00:33:20.220 CJ says,

00:33:20.820 I struggle with the idea

00:33:21.780 of making a woman

00:33:22.540 carry a rape

00:33:23.240 baby to term

00:33:24.220 because in this case,

00:33:25.360 her rights have been violated

00:33:26.420 versus in a regular pregnancy

00:33:28.300 where the parent

00:33:29.020 should just take responsibility.

00:33:30.400 What are your thoughts?

00:33:31.400 This is obviously

00:33:32.240 the hard case.

00:33:34.360 Right?

00:33:34.540 If a woman...

00:33:35.360 Which is less than

00:33:35.940 1% of cases.

00:33:37.240 It's rape and incest.

00:33:38.100 In the case of rape,

00:33:38.880 it's probably less than

00:33:39.780 half of 1%.

00:33:40.920 And in rape,

00:33:43.140 incest,

00:33:43.500 or threat to the life

00:33:44.200 of the mother,

00:33:44.780 all three of those combined

00:33:45.860 are less than 1%.

00:33:47.320 So I do think

00:33:48.680 the left-wingers

00:33:49.580 who are using this example

00:33:51.780 are disengaging.

00:33:52.200 Oh, they shout it

00:33:52.700 from the rooftops.

00:33:53.680 Yeah, I think they're being

00:33:54.380 very disingenuous here.

00:33:55.860 But let's consider

00:33:57.200 that actual case.

00:33:59.720 In the case of rape,

00:34:01.720 yeah, that's a horrible crime.

00:34:03.040 The crime is the rape.

00:34:04.920 And so the way

00:34:06.220 to get justice

00:34:07.240 for that rape

00:34:08.800 is to punish the rapist.

00:34:12.340 Now, Matt Walsh

00:34:13.280 made this argument.

00:34:14.040 He said, you know,

00:34:14.860 rapists love abortion

00:34:16.000 because abortion

00:34:16.840 gets rid of the evidence

00:34:18.140 of the crime.

00:34:18.720 Alabama, coincidentally,

00:34:22.880 which passed this abortion law,

00:34:24.380 has some of the toughest

00:34:25.120 rape laws in the country.

00:34:26.240 I'm perfectly fine

00:34:27.100 with capital punishment

00:34:27.980 for rape.

00:34:28.540 If I were king,

00:34:29.140 I would institute it.

00:34:30.480 I'm not king,

00:34:31.380 and around the country,

00:34:32.900 we do have tough laws

00:34:33.820 on rape.

00:34:35.700 In that case, however,

00:34:38.380 the baby's the baby.

00:34:39.580 The logic of pro-life

00:34:41.720 is that a baby is a baby,

00:34:42.820 and you can't kill babies

00:34:44.240 who are innocent.

00:34:45.880 Now, this extends

00:34:47.240 even to that point,

00:34:48.960 although I will make

00:34:49.940 just a prudential observation here.

00:34:52.780 If somebody is raped,

00:34:54.940 they go and they, you know,

00:34:56.820 go to the hospital

00:34:58.300 and they deal with all of that,

00:35:00.320 collect evidence,

00:35:01.040 that sort of thing.

00:35:02.460 They can take plan B.

00:35:05.320 I'm not advocating

00:35:06.200 the use of plan B,

00:35:07.580 but however,

00:35:08.200 there are drugs

00:35:09.500 that are not necessarily

00:35:11.040 abortifacients,

00:35:11.840 though they can act

00:35:12.680 as abortifacients,

00:35:13.660 that people can take

00:35:14.480 in that case

00:35:15.420 that will make

00:35:16.740 surgical abortion

00:35:17.660 completely unnecessary.

00:35:20.200 You may have your own

00:35:21.280 thoughts on plan B.

00:35:22.540 My faith tells me

00:35:23.320 plan B is not morally licit.

00:35:26.340 However,

00:35:27.900 even in the hard case of rape,

00:35:30.080 which accounts for less than

00:35:31.060 half of 1% of abortions,

00:35:32.860 there are many alternatives

00:35:34.440 to surgical abortion,

00:35:35.620 and I think the people

00:35:36.340 who are using

00:35:38.120 the case of rape

00:35:39.380 to make the point

00:35:41.340 that we actually

00:35:41.980 should kill

00:35:42.460 a million babies a year,

00:35:43.700 statistically none of whom

00:35:44.740 are conceived via rape,

00:35:46.000 I think they are being

00:35:47.080 totally disingenuous.

00:35:48.300 And the final point

00:35:49.200 on this, of course,

00:35:49.800 is that hard cases

00:35:51.300 make bad law.

00:35:53.800 These very difficult,

00:35:55.180 rare cases

00:35:55.680 make for bad law

00:35:57.060 because what they're

00:35:58.800 trying to argue

00:35:59.500 is that because

00:36:00.220 of one possible reaction

00:36:03.180 to a very rare occurrence,

00:36:06.980 therefore we need

00:36:07.840 to kill a million babies

00:36:08.780 a year.

00:36:09.100 That logic doesn't hold up.

00:36:10.520 All right.

00:36:11.240 Nick has a question.

00:36:12.300 He wants to know

00:36:12.920 if the abortion debate

00:36:13.980 is more about

00:36:14.700 how to define human life

00:36:16.260 and personhood,

00:36:17.600 do you believe it's possible

00:36:18.640 to have a conversation

00:36:19.980 on the national level

00:36:21.060 with something this complex?

00:36:22.560 At the moment,

00:36:23.140 it's very difficult

00:36:23.840 to have that conversation

00:36:25.000 because our moral discourse

00:36:26.720 has been totally degraded,

00:36:28.840 and it's been degraded

00:36:29.880 by creeping materialism

00:36:31.720 and relativism

00:36:32.680 among the population.

00:36:34.300 So now we can't even talk

00:36:37.100 about things like virtue

00:36:38.240 or purity or...

00:36:40.540 You get accused

00:36:41.780 of being an old fogey.

00:36:42.840 Yeah.

00:36:43.380 You get accused

00:36:44.040 of being delusional.

00:36:44.380 You right-wing religious man

00:36:45.460 trying to tell me

00:36:46.140 what to do with my body.

00:36:47.180 Exactly.

00:36:47.680 And people who say

00:36:48.620 it's your truth

00:36:49.380 and it's my truth

00:36:50.100 and you can't tell me.

00:36:51.880 Someone about the abortion debate

00:36:53.440 tweeted out,

00:36:53.940 they said,

00:36:54.420 you can't legislate

00:36:56.320 how other people live.

00:36:58.900 That is the definition

00:37:00.140 of the law.

00:37:01.200 The law tells other people

00:37:03.460 how to live,

00:37:04.220 but we can't have

00:37:05.020 that discussion

00:37:05.740 and it's no coincidence.

00:37:07.520 The law even tells

00:37:07.940 other people

00:37:08.540 what to do

00:37:08.920 with their children.

00:37:09.800 Yeah, right.

00:37:10.260 I mean,

00:37:10.440 that's the definition

00:37:11.080 of the law.

00:37:11.260 I've been having

00:37:11.680 with feminists online

00:37:12.800 all day is there's a reason,

00:37:15.260 you know,

00:37:15.900 DSS and CPS

00:37:17.140 and truancy officers

00:37:18.220 and law enforcement exist.

00:37:19.780 Exactly.

00:37:20.320 Because if you're

00:37:20.800 a you-know-what parent,

00:37:22.540 you lose your kid.

00:37:24.720 Exactly.

00:37:25.300 And so,

00:37:25.980 I mean,

00:37:26.980 it is no coincidence

00:37:28.280 that as we've lost

00:37:29.440 the ability

00:37:29.880 to have moral discourse

00:37:30.940 in this country,

00:37:32.220 abortion has become

00:37:33.000 more rampant.

00:37:35.020 If you're asking

00:37:36.080 about when human life begins,

00:37:37.560 we know.

00:37:38.400 We know for a fact

00:37:39.340 when human life begins.

00:37:40.820 It doesn't happen

00:37:41.720 before fertilization.

00:37:43.900 A sperm cell

00:37:44.680 is a sperm cell.

00:37:45.380 It has 23 chromosomes.

00:37:46.720 You leave it be,

00:37:47.320 it's going to be a sperm cell

00:37:48.220 and that's going to die.

00:37:49.280 An egg has 23 chromosomes.

00:37:51.660 If you leave it be,

00:37:52.280 it's going to be an egg

00:37:52.820 and it's going to die.

00:37:53.720 When you combine the two

00:37:54.720 and the sperm fertilizes the egg,

00:37:56.440 you get a new human being

00:37:58.120 with 46 chromosomes

00:37:59.660 that will grow

00:38:01.440 and become

00:38:02.040 just as recognizable

00:38:03.040 as you or me

00:38:03.880 or our grandparents are.

00:38:05.320 That becomes a new,

00:38:06.700 separate,

00:38:07.120 individual human being.

00:38:08.380 That's when human life begins.

00:38:09.740 We know it's a life.

00:38:10.940 From the moment of conception,

00:38:12.060 it meets every

00:38:12.740 scientific characteristic

00:38:14.000 of life.

00:38:14.680 We know it's human

00:38:15.420 because it's not a dog

00:38:16.660 and it's not a kitten

00:38:17.300 and it's not a giraffe.

00:38:18.540 It's a human life.

00:38:20.220 That is when that begins.

00:38:22.100 And if you want to have

00:38:23.680 then the more philosophical

00:38:26.840 or theological conversation

00:38:28.260 of personhood

00:38:29.360 or ensoulment,

00:38:30.920 we at least have to,

00:38:31.780 we have to first agree

00:38:32.720 on what human life is

00:38:34.440 and unfortunately,

00:38:35.660 the pro-abortion crowd

00:38:36.620 is unwilling to do

00:38:37.780 or unable to do even that.

00:38:40.560 But I think common sense

00:38:41.940 is spreading around this country.

00:38:43.520 I mean, Georgia, Alabama,

00:38:45.600 Missouri, Louisiana,

00:38:46.940 you've got all of these laws

00:38:48.460 challenging abortion directly.

00:38:50.620 Ernest Hemingway

00:38:51.240 described bankruptcy

00:38:52.220 as it happens gradually

00:38:54.140 then suddenly.

00:38:55.280 And the pro-life movement

00:38:56.300 has happened gradually.

00:38:57.580 Now it's happening suddenly

00:38:58.760 and I think maybe people

00:38:59.840 are waking up,

00:39:01.680 if not to moral discourse,

00:39:03.540 at least to the total insufficiency

00:39:05.700 of the way we talk

00:39:06.920 about these issues now.

00:39:08.060 All right.

00:39:08.620 This is a funny question.

00:39:10.140 I don't think it's PC

00:39:11.000 to say this,

00:39:11.680 but I guess I'm just going

00:39:12.400 to go ahead and say it anyway.

00:39:13.640 Okay.

00:39:14.120 Veronica wants to know

00:39:15.320 if you have a perspective

00:39:16.700 on whether or not

00:39:18.440 gingers have souls.

00:39:19.920 Oh, it's very clear

00:39:20.720 that they do not have souls.

00:39:22.180 This has been proven

00:39:23.600 time and time again.

00:39:24.660 And obviously...

00:39:26.400 Are there no

00:39:26.860 like red-headed saints?

00:39:28.440 The...

00:39:29.560 I wonder...

00:39:30.180 Well, St. Patrick

00:39:31.400 is actually often depicted

00:39:32.560 as red-headed

00:39:33.180 because he was from Ireland.

00:39:35.280 But he wasn't from Ireland.

00:39:36.760 I thought he was British

00:39:37.660 and he went to Ireland

00:39:38.380 to minister.

00:39:39.060 Well, he's Roman.

00:39:39.800 He's a Roman citizen.

00:39:40.880 Okay.

00:39:41.120 And so he's like...

00:39:41.640 I picture him

00:39:42.120 as just like a big Italian guy

00:39:43.400 with a big nose and beard,

00:39:44.580 you know.

00:39:45.000 Yeah, I don't know

00:39:45.440 if there are any

00:39:45.880 red-headed saints.

00:39:46.600 I mean,

00:39:47.420 that's a real question

00:39:48.920 for the theologians

00:39:49.780 and the historians.

00:39:50.500 But it is a fact

00:39:52.640 of natural law.

00:39:53.460 I think...

00:39:53.920 I'm pretty sure

00:39:54.380 this was proved

00:39:54.960 by Thomas Aquinas

00:39:56.300 that redheads

00:39:57.800 do not, in fact,

00:39:58.880 have souls.

00:39:59.940 What about strawberry blondes?

00:40:01.800 Oh, strawberry blondes.

00:40:03.060 Okay.

00:40:03.900 Because I have one of those.

00:40:05.580 It's true.

00:40:06.100 Go home and tell her.

00:40:06.760 Sorry.

00:40:07.020 You're lucky she's got a soul.

00:40:07.940 Uncle Michael says

00:40:08.780 you don't have a soul.

00:40:10.300 20 months old.

00:40:11.320 Mom, no.

00:40:12.520 All right.

00:40:13.080 Rob says,

00:40:13.840 Dear Mr. Know-It-Alls.

00:40:15.860 Oh, I like what he did there.

00:40:17.600 You see that?

00:40:18.140 Yeah, I see that right there.

00:40:19.120 Know-It-Alls.

00:40:19.180 Uh-huh.

00:40:20.060 Do you agree with Ben

00:40:21.100 regarding the fact

00:40:21.940 that Alabama went too far

00:40:23.400 with their abortion prohibition?

00:40:24.960 No.

00:40:25.720 No, I don't.

00:40:26.260 I think it's a terrific law.

00:40:27.740 I totally support it.

00:40:29.340 But I don't...

00:40:30.000 By the way,

00:40:30.300 I don't think Ben

00:40:30.780 is making the argument

00:40:31.640 that it's too far

00:40:33.140 because of the moral...

00:40:33.800 I think his point is

00:40:34.500 it's going to be overturned

00:40:35.460 by the court.

00:40:35.840 Yeah, I think he's making

00:40:36.780 a political argument

00:40:38.320 or an argument from prudence.

00:40:40.220 So I do respect the argument,

00:40:42.880 but I don't agree with it.

00:40:44.000 I think fight the fight.

00:40:45.600 The time is now.

00:40:46.740 This is the pro-life moment.

00:40:47.820 And coincidentally,

00:40:50.040 we happen to be right.

00:40:51.320 All right.

00:40:51.880 Arun wants to know,

00:40:52.960 Dr. Kofefe,

00:40:53.920 what do you think

00:40:54.700 about judicial review

00:40:55.720 more generally?

00:40:56.940 Do the courts have the power

00:40:57.920 to make nationwide injunctions

00:40:59.920 on abortion,

00:41:01.660 marriage?

00:41:02.680 I mean,

00:41:02.940 we could even go into

00:41:03.700 like some of the EPA decisions

00:41:05.020 that they've made

00:41:05.760 or like the Hobby Lobby case,

00:41:07.100 for example.

00:41:07.360 Or the EPA decisions

00:41:08.680 that they don't make.

00:41:09.780 Yeah.

00:41:09.860 I mean,

00:41:10.100 unfortunately,

00:41:10.920 one of the great hopes

00:41:12.460 I have for Justice Kavanaugh

00:41:13.840 is that he will upend

00:41:15.380 the administrative state

00:41:16.520 because of a very awful

00:41:18.520 Supreme Court decision

00:41:19.580 in the Chevron case,

00:41:21.640 Chevron deference,

00:41:22.520 the idea that courts

00:41:23.660 will defer

00:41:24.400 to the administrative agencies

00:41:25.840 to make their own rules

00:41:27.600 and to adjudicate

00:41:28.260 their own rules,

00:41:29.040 which is an awful idea.

00:41:30.520 Mark Levin, though,

00:41:30.840 isn't hopeful

00:41:31.300 that he's going to do that,

00:41:32.420 though.

00:41:32.680 Well,

00:41:33.060 I heard him talking

00:41:33.600 about this last night.

00:41:34.200 He's a little more pessimistic

00:41:35.320 than I am.

00:41:36.240 But I mean,

00:41:36.980 sure,

00:41:37.420 no one can predict the future.

00:41:38.660 We don't know

00:41:39.080 how it's going to go.

00:41:40.180 But the two questions

00:41:42.320 that were asked

00:41:42.920 are different questions.

00:41:43.980 The one is,

00:41:44.600 what do you think

00:41:45.000 of judicial review?

00:41:46.020 I think it's been

00:41:46.940 a principle

00:41:47.420 since the earliest days

00:41:48.420 of the country,

00:41:48.960 since the Marshall Court,

00:41:50.260 that the court

00:41:51.140 has the ability

00:41:52.500 and the right

00:41:53.080 to interpret

00:41:53.840 the Constitution

00:41:54.440 and invalidate statutes

00:41:56.160 that violate

00:41:57.820 the Constitution.

00:41:58.640 So I'm fine

00:41:59.380 with judicial review.

00:42:00.780 But the court

00:42:01.500 does not have a right

00:42:02.160 to invent a right

00:42:03.480 to abortion.

00:42:04.460 The court does not

00:42:05.040 have the right

00:42:05.480 to redefine marriage,

00:42:06.960 as Anthony Kennedy did

00:42:08.000 in the Obergefell case.

00:42:10.180 Those are very

00:42:11.420 different questions.

00:42:12.480 And the court

00:42:12.860 has utterly

00:42:14.380 overstepped its bounds

00:42:15.580 even in recent years,

00:42:18.000 thanks to guys

00:42:18.700 like Anthony Kennedy.

00:42:20.340 And I wish

00:42:21.200 that the court

00:42:21.760 would step back

00:42:22.860 and realize

00:42:24.480 that the United States

00:42:25.640 was meant

00:42:26.140 to govern herself

00:42:27.460 and not be governed

00:42:28.300 by nine robed lawyers

00:42:30.120 who have appointed

00:42:31.380 themselves

00:42:31.980 the benevolent betters

00:42:33.300 for the whole country.

00:42:34.140 But hope springs eternal

00:42:36.760 in the human breast.

00:42:37.720 I don't think

00:42:38.180 that's really going

00:42:39.380 to happen.

00:42:40.100 Actually, again,

00:42:40.940 when I saw Scalia

00:42:41.880 before he died,

00:42:43.200 we said,

00:42:43.820 what about states' rights?

00:42:45.340 What about returning

00:42:46.140 power to the people?

00:42:47.400 And he said,

00:42:47.840 you're barking up

00:42:48.400 the wrong tree.

00:42:49.780 I'm a Fed.

00:42:51.120 You've given us

00:42:52.100 all of your power.

00:42:53.920 You gave up

00:42:54.860 direct election

00:42:55.620 of senators.

00:42:56.620 You've given the Feds

00:42:58.120 all your power.

00:42:58.960 So even if I were

00:42:59.740 intellectually inclined

00:43:01.300 to support states' rights,

00:43:03.380 I have no political reason

00:43:05.960 to do so.

00:43:07.020 And that's a problem

00:43:08.520 of ceding power

00:43:09.380 to the federal government

00:43:10.580 and to the courts

00:43:11.180 for over a century.

00:43:13.020 All right.

00:43:13.840 David says,

00:43:14.460 Michael,

00:43:15.000 what cigars and whiskey

00:43:16.140 would you recommend

00:43:16.920 for a newbie?

00:43:17.780 Oh, I mean,

00:43:18.360 you're asking me

00:43:18.940 to pick between my children.

00:43:20.360 How could I possibly...

00:43:22.220 Look, you can get

00:43:23.360 a good cigar

00:43:23.780 for under $10.

00:43:24.880 Really?

00:43:25.300 Yeah, you don't need

00:43:26.040 to spend $30 or $40

00:43:27.080 on a cigar.

00:43:27.960 You can.

00:43:28.540 You can spend

00:43:28.980 a lot more than that.

00:43:30.000 But there are great cigars

00:43:31.140 that you can get

00:43:31.720 for $10.

00:43:32.040 Anything by Don Pepin,

00:43:34.460 My Father's Cigars

00:43:35.720 are great.

00:43:36.980 Oliva cigars

00:43:37.920 are really good

00:43:38.560 for beginners.

00:43:40.840 A bunch of other lines

00:43:42.380 that are really good.

00:43:44.740 But those two

00:43:45.800 are kind of cheap

00:43:46.420 and good ways to start.

00:43:47.780 And then for whiskey,

00:43:48.760 can't beat Johnny Walker Black.

00:43:50.200 As Christopher Hitchens

00:43:51.060 explained,

00:43:51.900 the preferred whiskey

00:43:52.760 of the Iraqi Ba'ath Party,

00:43:55.660 the Palestine Liberation

00:43:57.100 Organization,

00:43:58.060 part of the Saudi

00:43:58.860 royal family,

00:43:59.700 the Libyan dictatorship

00:44:01.480 before they were ousted.

00:44:02.880 Some of the worst people

00:44:03.860 on earth.

00:44:04.480 Also,

00:44:05.440 Winston Churchill.

00:44:06.480 Johnny Walker Black Label.

00:44:08.320 Fabulous way to begin

00:44:09.360 and not too expensive.

00:44:10.760 All righty.

00:44:11.260 Good to know.

00:44:12.180 Is whiskey

00:44:13.460 kind of like wine?

00:44:15.300 That there's wine

00:44:16.780 for all different

00:44:17.260 sorts of palates?

00:44:18.380 Like, is there whiskey?

00:44:19.580 Are there whiskey and cigars

00:44:20.980 for all different

00:44:21.640 palates and occasions?

00:44:23.120 Yeah.

00:44:23.620 So some,

00:44:24.160 like Johnny Black

00:44:24.840 is really good

00:44:25.500 for cigars.

00:44:27.000 It's actually a great

00:44:27.720 match for cigars.

00:44:28.940 Others,

00:44:29.540 when I go out with Drew,

00:44:30.580 he insists on Macallan 12.

00:44:31.980 That's also a good one

00:44:32.720 to begin with too.

00:44:33.300 Yeah,

00:44:33.500 he and the God King

00:44:34.160 really like Macallan 12.

00:44:35.100 Oh yeah,

00:44:35.520 and the God King

00:44:36.200 actually loves Irish whiskey

00:44:37.420 probably the most.

00:44:38.180 Yeah.

00:44:38.340 That super aged

00:44:39.580 Irish whiskey.

00:44:40.560 We spend about

00:44:41.240 the same amount

00:44:41.920 on whiskey per year,

00:44:43.920 Jeremy and I.

00:44:44.700 It's just that Jeremy

00:44:45.480 buys one very expensive bottle

00:44:47.140 and I buy dozens

00:44:48.420 of cheap bottles.

00:44:50.220 But yeah,

00:44:50.600 there are some

00:44:51.560 for all different occasions.

00:44:53.120 But yeah,

00:44:53.340 I would recommend

00:44:53.880 Don Pefine

00:44:54.600 and Johnny Black

00:44:56.080 is a good way

00:44:56.580 to introduce yourself

00:44:58.280 to one of the great pleasures.

00:45:00.040 Oh yeah,

00:45:00.600 I mean there are so many,

00:45:02.780 you know,

00:45:03.420 these are the great pleasures

00:45:04.820 of life.

00:45:05.240 They make life

00:45:06.080 really enjoyable

00:45:07.860 and there's a great

00:45:09.300 poem about it.

00:45:10.620 Tobacco is a dirty weed.

00:45:11.960 I like it.

00:45:12.720 It satisfies no normal need.

00:45:14.500 I like it.

00:45:15.340 It makes you thin,

00:45:16.100 it makes you lean,

00:45:16.760 it takes the hair

00:45:17.300 right off your bean.

00:45:18.220 It's the worst damn stuff

00:45:19.220 I've ever seen.

00:45:20.460 I like it.

00:45:20.940 Your ability

00:45:22.720 to remember

00:45:23.440 random like

00:45:24.480 Totally useless.

00:45:26.780 I mean,

00:45:27.980 I wish I had your memory.

00:45:29.480 Takes a lifetime.

00:45:29.900 Like your memorization skills.

00:45:31.740 A lifetime of like

00:45:32.420 all 28 years.

00:45:34.000 So,

00:45:34.440 true or false,

00:45:35.920 I feel like whiskey

00:45:36.900 can be enjoyed

00:45:37.600 without a cigar,

00:45:38.540 but can a cigar

00:45:39.160 be enjoyed without a drink?

00:45:41.280 Yes,

00:45:42.240 but it's much more difficult.

00:45:43.520 Okay.

00:45:44.080 You can enjoy whiskey,

00:45:45.540 or you can enjoy a cigar

00:45:46.360 with a Coca-Cola.

00:45:47.720 You can enjoy a cigar

00:45:48.960 with even a glass of water.

00:45:50.340 It's a little more,

00:45:50.980 especially if you haven't spent,

00:45:52.640 I mean,

00:45:52.860 I've smoked cigars now

00:45:53.800 for 15,

00:45:55.780 14 years

00:45:56.360 or something like that,

00:45:57.560 and I'm like 12 years old,

00:45:58.760 so that's a lot.

00:45:59.780 But if you're not used to it,

00:46:00.960 it's a little harsh.

00:46:01.840 You might want a little bit.

00:46:02.860 And the drink

00:46:03.260 kind of balances it out.

00:46:04.320 Yeah,

00:46:04.520 whereas for Scotch,

00:46:05.560 I mean,

00:46:05.780 Scotch goes great,

00:46:06.680 you know,

00:46:07.020 nice first thing in the morning,

00:46:08.220 open your eyes up,

00:46:09.160 get you ready for a working day

00:46:10.360 at the Daily Wire.

00:46:10.640 A little bit in the coffee.

00:46:11.640 A little bit in the

00:46:12.200 Leftist Tears Tumblr,

00:46:13.340 that's right.

00:46:14.160 Is that why my water tastes?

00:46:15.440 No, I'm kidding.

00:46:16.780 All right.

00:46:17.740 Next question.

00:46:18.780 Knowles,

00:46:19.440 explain all of these extra books

00:46:21.360 that you Catholics have.

00:46:22.520 Oh, well,

00:46:23.040 I wrote a lot of them myself,

00:46:25.260 so I'll take,

00:46:25.860 no,

00:46:26.060 what you're referring to

00:46:26.960 is that the Catholic Bible

00:46:28.440 includes more books

00:46:29.940 than various Protestant Bibles.

00:46:31.880 And believe it or not,

00:46:32.620 I've read them.

00:46:33.460 Yeah,

00:46:33.840 I mean,

00:46:34.000 that's pretty good to read them.

00:46:35.040 I will just correct you,

00:46:37.140 though,

00:46:37.620 a little bit

00:46:38.240 on the extra books.

00:46:39.860 The Catholic Church

00:46:40.920 existed before

00:46:41.680 the Protestant churches,

00:46:42.820 so it actually was a question

00:46:44.000 of removing books

00:46:45.120 from the Bible.

00:46:45.740 But, you know,

00:46:48.140 anybody who tells you

00:46:50.760 that he can interpret

00:46:51.860 all the books of the Bible

00:46:53.560 is selling you a bill of lies.

00:46:55.340 I mean,

00:46:55.480 especially when people tell you

00:46:56.660 they can interpret Revelation.

00:46:57.820 Oh, man.

00:46:58.120 That's how you know

00:46:58.360 you're talking to them.

00:46:58.820 When you brought up

00:46:59.300 Revelation earlier,

00:47:00.080 I was like,

00:47:00.500 mm-hmm,

00:47:01.040 and what are you

00:47:01.820 going to say about it?

00:47:02.500 Go on, yeah,

00:47:02.700 give me your insight

00:47:03.460 into the apocalypse.

00:47:04.580 Yeah.

00:47:05.740 But I recommend reading them.

00:47:07.680 I mean,

00:47:07.860 I recommend,

00:47:08.580 even if you're a Protestant

00:47:09.620 or any denomination

00:47:11.520 that you are,

00:47:12.200 you really should

00:47:14.720 know the history

00:47:16.000 of the church

00:47:16.640 and not just

00:47:17.420 CliffsNotes history.

00:47:18.980 You should really

00:47:19.620 delve into it.

00:47:20.520 I mean,

00:47:20.720 Martin Luther knew

00:47:21.380 the history of his church.

00:47:22.740 John Calvin knew

00:47:23.440 the history of his church.

00:47:24.460 Zwingli knew

00:47:24.940 the history of his church.

00:47:25.980 So you should know that, too,

00:47:27.280 and you shouldn't just

00:47:28.040 settle for,

00:47:29.660 you know,

00:47:30.540 some series of ideology

00:47:33.340 that you've been given,

00:47:34.520 you know,

00:47:34.920 from the CliffsNotes version.

00:47:36.320 You should really

00:47:36.960 delve into it.

00:47:37.640 You should know the hymns.

00:47:38.640 You should read

00:47:39.080 the Church Fathers.

00:47:39.880 You should read

00:47:40.220 the books of the Bible

00:47:41.060 that various people

00:47:42.280 like Martin Luther

00:47:42.960 decided they want to take out.

00:47:44.500 You should know why

00:47:45.340 they wanted to take

00:47:46.440 those books of the Bible out.

00:47:47.680 You should know why

00:47:48.440 certain lines of the Bible

00:47:49.680 were changed

00:47:50.400 in the 16th or 17th century.

00:47:53.040 I mean,

00:47:53.200 you should know those reasons

00:47:54.460 and if you,

00:47:56.920 you should defend

00:47:57.680 those reasons

00:47:58.180 if it's part of your faith

00:48:00.140 and if you are convinced by it.

00:48:01.760 And if not,

00:48:02.500 then maybe look

00:48:03.200 at a different denomination.

00:48:04.780 You should know

00:48:05.060 the difference

00:48:05.460 between the Eastern Orthodox

00:48:06.740 and the Catholic Church

00:48:08.180 and the Anglican

00:48:08.780 and all of those.

00:48:09.500 I mean,

00:48:09.620 regardless of what

00:48:11.420 tradition you come from,

00:48:13.560 even within the term

00:48:15.180 of Christianity,

00:48:16.580 learning about all

00:48:17.620 of the others

00:48:18.080 will inform your faith.

00:48:19.680 I mean,

00:48:19.880 you have nothing to lose

00:48:21.140 but ignorance.

00:48:22.400 I really would love

00:48:23.320 to see you and Allie Stuckey

00:48:24.700 have a conversation

00:48:25.600 about faith.

00:48:26.280 We do it every time

00:48:27.180 she comes to town.

00:48:28.180 But off air,

00:48:28.840 I want to see

00:48:29.360 an on air conversation

00:48:30.320 because she's obviously

00:48:31.420 a Calvinist.

00:48:32.120 She's a real Calvinist.

00:48:33.100 I mean,

00:48:33.340 she really believes it.

00:48:34.160 She's a hardcore Calvinist.

00:48:35.120 Yeah,

00:48:35.400 it's great.

00:48:35.720 And then,

00:48:36.560 like you,

00:48:37.840 being a practicing Catholic.

00:48:39.620 Yeah.

00:48:40.060 It's fun.

00:48:40.720 I always love it.

00:48:40.940 I want to be a fly

00:48:41.480 on the wall.

00:48:41.900 I know,

00:48:42.260 it's great

00:48:42.560 because she's such

00:48:43.120 a bulldog too.

00:48:44.400 I always love doing it.

00:48:46.360 We'll have to get her

00:48:46.860 on the show or something.

00:48:47.860 That'd be fun.

00:48:48.460 Yeah.

00:48:48.840 All right,

00:48:49.220 Anthony says,

00:48:50.380 who do you believe

00:48:51.120 will be the first Democrat

00:48:52.080 to drop out

00:48:52.780 of the presidential race?

00:48:54.160 Keep in mind

00:48:54.720 the forgettable ones

00:48:55.640 like Julian Castro

00:48:56.620 or Kirsten Gillibrand.

00:48:57.900 Forget Castro

00:48:58.660 and Gillibrand.

00:48:59.320 What about Jay Inslee?

00:49:00.520 You remember him?

00:49:01.740 He's the guy

00:49:02.200 whose logo looks

00:49:02.900 like a CD-ROM

00:49:03.720 from the 1990s.

00:49:05.640 Bill de Blasio,

00:49:06.800 my former Bolshevik mayor

00:49:08.040 from New York,

00:49:08.900 just got into the race.

00:49:09.980 I mean,

00:49:10.140 he's not polling.

00:49:11.160 Eric Swalwell

00:49:11.760 is not showing up

00:49:13.000 in polls right now.

00:49:13.880 Yep.

00:49:14.440 Which is really sad for me

00:49:15.660 because Eric Swalwell

00:49:16.580 said I am you,

00:49:17.500 so I am Eric Swalwell,

00:49:18.940 which means

00:49:19.240 I'll be the first

00:49:20.100 to lose the Demo.

00:49:21.160 But you will too,

00:49:21.860 I guess.

00:49:22.260 Oh.

00:49:22.400 And so will all of you.

00:49:23.500 Okay.

00:49:23.720 I mean,

00:49:25.740 once you hit the debate,

00:49:28.620 it's going to thin out

00:49:29.780 pretty quickly.

00:49:30.500 And it's not going to be

00:49:31.220 just one person dropping out.

00:49:32.380 You're going to lose

00:49:32.820 a number of people.

00:49:33.700 We're now up to 23 candidates

00:49:35.700 in this race.

00:49:36.860 And if you're not registering

00:49:38.140 in polls,

00:49:38.600 you're not going to get

00:49:39.320 onto the debate stage.

00:49:40.340 If you're not on the debate stage,

00:49:41.400 you're not going to raise

00:49:42.040 any money whatsoever.

00:49:43.320 And you're going to have

00:49:44.360 to get out then.

00:49:45.180 But I think,

00:49:45.800 I mean,

00:49:45.980 obviously,

00:49:46.860 Inslee,

00:49:47.660 Hickenlooper's probably

00:49:48.700 not going anywhere.

00:49:50.080 I forgot about that one.

00:49:51.040 I know.

00:49:51.360 There's so many

00:49:51.900 that you just don't even

00:49:52.600 remember are running.

00:49:53.480 I feel like,

00:49:54.340 I mean,

00:49:55.020 de Blasio actually had

00:49:56.320 people booing him

00:49:57.260 outside of GMA today.

00:49:59.380 People were standing

00:50:00.040 outside of GMA booing him.

00:50:01.680 People hate that guy.

00:50:02.700 He's done such a crappy job

00:50:03.740 with New York.

00:50:04.760 I wonder if he's going to be

00:50:05.740 one of the first people out

00:50:06.640 because he's going to think

00:50:07.660 that he has the name recognition

00:50:08.800 and support there.

00:50:09.960 But he really don't.

00:50:10.720 Oh, he doesn't.

00:50:11.480 And I will say,

00:50:12.600 it's not an ideological thing.

00:50:14.300 New Yorkers hate

00:50:15.060 Bill de Blasio.

00:50:15.800 Yeah.

00:50:16.100 The Democrats really wanted

00:50:17.680 to replace him.

00:50:18.600 Did you ever watch a show

00:50:19.120 called The Mindy Project?

00:50:20.520 Never in my life.

00:50:21.160 Like Mindy Kaling,

00:50:22.020 who I feel like,

00:50:22.720 even though she's a liberal,

00:50:23.480 we'd be BFFs in real life.

00:50:24.740 I'm just throwing that out,

00:50:25.480 Mindy, if you're nearby,

00:50:26.440 like we can be friends.

00:50:27.120 She watches this show

00:50:27.880 all the time.

00:50:28.260 I'm totally sure she watches

00:50:29.180 The Michael Null Show.

00:50:30.080 Yep.

00:50:30.400 She would rip on de Blasio

00:50:31.880 in that show all the time.

00:50:33.780 Yep.

00:50:34.280 And she's like a liberal feminist.

00:50:36.240 That's right.

00:50:36.700 New Yorkers hate him.

00:50:37.620 Yeah, they don't like him.

00:50:38.560 Yeah, he's probably

00:50:39.340 not going very far.

00:50:40.180 I kind of,

00:50:40.900 my guess,

00:50:41.300 I was asked this

00:50:41.940 to the great students

00:50:43.020 at Turning Point USA

00:50:43.860 at Augustana.

00:50:45.020 I heard that we've been

00:50:45.760 saying it wrong,

00:50:46.380 by the way.

00:50:47.060 Augustana.

00:50:47.880 Augustana is how

00:50:48.600 you're supposed to say it.

00:50:49.680 They,

00:50:50.220 I was like,

00:50:50.840 sorry guys,

00:50:51.300 I think it's going to be

00:50:51.980 Klobuchar.

00:50:53.080 Oh, I forgot she was in it too.

00:50:54.720 I kind of like her

00:50:55.540 because she's tough.

00:50:56.640 Her town halls

00:50:57.460 have been horrible though.

00:50:58.660 Yeah, she's a bad candidate.

00:51:00.440 She's,

00:51:00.740 I mean,

00:51:01.000 she did the Jeb Bush move.

00:51:02.140 She did the please clap move.

00:51:03.680 That's never a good one.

00:51:05.000 I do like that she throws

00:51:06.040 office furniture

00:51:06.700 at her staffers.

00:51:07.600 I mean,

00:51:07.740 that's pretty tough,

00:51:08.960 but yeah,

00:51:09.220 she's probably not long

00:51:09.940 for this race.

00:51:10.980 Zarek.

00:51:12.460 Like,

00:51:13.140 Derek Zoolander,

00:51:14.080 but combined.

00:51:14.780 That's a good name.

00:51:16.000 Dear Swarthy Lad,

00:51:17.240 can you think of

00:51:19.560 a greater power disparity

00:51:20.940 than an abortion doctor

00:51:22.440 and a child

00:51:23.340 still in the womb?

00:51:24.440 If not,

00:51:25.260 is this just a great evil

00:51:26.460 by the standards

00:51:27.120 of the left?

00:51:27.800 Of course,

00:51:28.260 we never talk about

00:51:29.300 how oppressed

00:51:31.020 the little baby

00:51:32.540 in the womb is.

00:51:33.380 We talk about

00:51:34.220 the marginalized.

00:51:35.140 We talk about

00:51:35.700 the disadvantaged,

00:51:39.660 the people who don't

00:51:40.200 have any privilege.

00:51:41.240 Is anybody more vulnerable,

00:51:42.580 disadvantaged,

00:51:43.340 marginalized,

00:51:43.860 and oppressed

00:51:44.200 than an unborn baby?

00:51:45.360 Matt Walsh took

00:51:46.300 to calling them

00:51:47.140 undocumented infants

00:51:48.740 who are trying

00:51:49.620 to cross over

00:51:50.480 the wall of the birth canal

00:51:51.640 in search of a better life.

00:51:53.380 The left probably

00:51:54.420 should use those terms.

00:51:55.360 There's a great essay

00:51:56.740 that was just published,

00:51:58.460 actually in the Yale Daily News.

00:51:59.620 It was by an undergraduate guy

00:52:00.920 who said,

00:52:01.900 abortion is not mercy.

00:52:04.400 And he said,

00:52:04.820 we talk about how

00:52:05.560 we don't want to bring

00:52:06.220 unloved babies

00:52:07.020 into the world

00:52:07.760 and they're going to

00:52:08.440 grow up in poverty

00:52:09.360 and have suffering.

00:52:10.160 It's better to kill them.

00:52:11.300 He said,

00:52:11.640 I'm one of those babies.

00:52:12.800 I never knew my father.

00:52:13.960 My mother was

00:52:15.120 a complete mess.

00:52:16.420 I grew up on couches

00:52:17.380 and I grew up on the street

00:52:18.440 and in motels.

00:52:19.300 I was in foster care.

00:52:20.600 I dealt with abuse.

00:52:21.800 I went hungry a lot.

00:52:22.900 I had a bad upbringing

00:52:24.140 and all my foster care

00:52:25.300 brothers and sisters

00:52:26.160 had bad upbringings

00:52:27.540 and they were abused

00:52:28.620 physically,

00:52:29.380 sexually,

00:52:29.940 emotionally,

00:52:30.600 really awful stuff.

00:52:32.860 And we're glad we're alive

00:52:34.160 because you endure

00:52:35.540 that suffering

00:52:36.160 and you also

00:52:37.740 get the joys of life

00:52:38.960 and all that suffering

00:52:39.780 makes joy

00:52:40.340 that much sweeter.

00:52:41.020 and all that suffering

00:52:43.660 makes the joy

00:52:44.560 that you can give

00:52:45.160 to other people

00:52:45.800 that much sweeter.

00:52:48.160 And when the people

00:52:49.480 make the argument,

00:52:50.240 oh, the kid's going

00:52:50.800 to be born poor,

00:52:51.980 he's going to suffer,

00:52:53.080 he's going to be unloved,

00:52:54.220 you're making the case

00:52:55.480 that you should eliminate

00:52:56.640 poverty by killing

00:52:57.800 poor people.

00:52:58.960 You're making the case

00:52:59.760 that you can erase

00:53:00.840 the poor of this.

00:53:02.280 I mean,

00:53:02.460 there's,

00:53:03.780 it's the most heinous argument

00:53:06.080 that anybody

00:53:07.120 seriously makes

00:53:08.340 in politics.

00:53:09.000 I encourage you

00:53:10.040 to read this.

00:53:10.620 It's called

00:53:10.820 Abortion is Not Mercy.

00:53:12.480 It's in the Yale Daily News.

00:53:13.920 I wish the left

00:53:15.360 would read those stories

00:53:16.460 because they talk

00:53:17.560 out of one side

00:53:18.100 of their mouth

00:53:18.520 and they say,

00:53:19.180 these are the people

00:53:19.840 we've got to help.

00:53:20.840 And then out of the other side

00:53:21.800 they say,

00:53:22.220 we're going to help them

00:53:22.700 by killing them.

00:53:23.600 They've got the knife

00:53:25.080 right behind their backs.

00:53:27.360 BJ says,

00:53:28.040 I recently had a discussion

00:53:29.220 with a liberal

00:53:29.820 regarding morality.

00:53:31.220 She believes that morality

00:53:32.380 is all relative.

00:53:33.600 Sounds a lot like AOC.

00:53:35.160 And it can be determined

00:53:37.100 by society.

00:53:37.880 What is the most convincing

00:53:39.520 argument for moral absolutes?

00:53:41.840 Morality by definition

00:53:43.100 is objective.

00:53:44.140 That's why.

00:53:44.780 There's no such thing

00:53:45.560 as morality

00:53:46.200 if morality is relative

00:53:48.940 or subjective.

00:53:49.940 If morality were subjective,

00:53:51.900 it would just be preferences.

00:53:53.780 Right?

00:53:54.060 It would be preferences

00:53:55.680 that you and I agree to

00:53:56.940 and then we create

00:53:58.060 the social construction

00:53:59.000 called morality.

00:54:00.060 But then,

00:54:00.920 if we agree that it's wrong

00:54:02.040 to murder somebody,

00:54:03.800 it's not objectively wrong.

00:54:05.420 Right?

00:54:05.520 We've just subjectively

00:54:06.720 sort of agreed

00:54:07.240 that we would prefer

00:54:08.040 if we all pretend

00:54:09.000 that it's bad

00:54:10.040 to murder somebody.

00:54:12.400 This is refuted,

00:54:13.940 by the way,

00:54:14.360 by all of history

00:54:16.200 and anthropology.

00:54:17.200 Right?

00:54:17.320 People all over the world

00:54:18.680 in all eras

00:54:19.360 have intuited,

00:54:20.700 naturally intuited,

00:54:21.880 a very similar idea

00:54:23.280 of an objective morality.

00:54:24.880 But,

00:54:25.860 even if that were not the case,

00:54:27.780 if we just all said,

00:54:28.720 okay,

00:54:28.880 it's not objectively true,

00:54:30.580 then what you're really saying

00:54:31.500 is there is no such thing

00:54:32.640 as morality.

00:54:33.420 And if you behave

00:54:34.640 as though there is,

00:54:36.520 you're a gullible fool.

00:54:37.640 I mean,

00:54:37.920 you're not making

00:54:39.120 a lot of sense.

00:54:40.340 And if you follow that idea

00:54:42.580 to its logical conclusion,

00:54:43.900 there really is no morality,

00:54:45.200 it's just a total illusion

00:54:46.720 that a bunch of people

00:54:47.860 who believe a fairy tale

00:54:49.060 have convinced themselves of,

00:54:51.780 you should read

00:54:52.880 the Marquis de Sade,

00:54:54.100 the guy that we get

00:54:54.680 the word sadism from.

00:54:55.820 He wrote a book

00:54:56.720 which is pornography

00:54:57.620 and philosophy.

00:54:58.640 It's called

00:54:58.820 120 Days of Sodom.

00:55:00.240 And it shows you a world

00:55:01.700 without objective morality

00:55:03.700 where you would actually

00:55:04.800 follow your own desires

00:55:06.060 because in a world

00:55:07.920 without objective morality,

00:55:09.680 your pain

00:55:11.220 is not more important

00:55:12.560 than my pleasure.

00:55:14.180 And if that is the case,

00:55:15.780 then you get sadists.

00:55:17.620 You get the behaviors

00:55:18.720 of psychopaths.

00:55:20.120 But we're not

00:55:20.580 a psychopathic society,

00:55:22.280 at least not just yet.

00:55:23.520 We have a conscience.

00:55:24.380 We have a moral intuition.

00:55:25.640 We know that there is

00:55:26.780 an objective moral law

00:55:27.800 and we know

00:55:28.220 just about what it is.

00:55:30.240 That's objectively true.

00:55:31.380 And the people

00:55:31.880 who pretend that there isn't,

00:55:33.600 I notice they very rarely live

00:55:35.240 as though there is not

00:55:36.280 an objective moral law.

00:55:37.900 All right.

00:55:38.580 Rob says,

00:55:39.720 can a cis man

00:55:40.680 feel like a lesbian

00:55:41.960 trapped in a man's body?

00:55:44.000 Every day of my life.

00:55:45.180 Every day of my life,

00:55:46.700 I do.

00:55:47.180 Thank you for understanding

00:55:48.260 my suffering

00:55:48.940 and not erasing

00:55:50.380 the suffering

00:55:51.420 that I,

00:55:53.020 a lesbian,

00:55:53.980 trapped inside

00:55:54.960 a cis male body,

00:55:57.060 face every day.

00:55:57.840 So I read

00:55:59.400 a horrific story,

00:56:03.100 but it was

00:56:03.980 so brave new world

00:56:04.960 to me,

00:56:05.700 about a

00:56:06.820 person that was

00:56:09.560 transitioning

00:56:10.380 that identified

00:56:11.780 as male.

00:56:12.460 The government

00:56:12.840 had male,

00:56:13.700 male on his ID.

00:56:15.480 But it's a her.

00:56:16.400 And it was

00:56:17.180 a pregnant man,

00:56:18.560 according to this

00:56:19.320 AP story,

00:56:19.980 that ended up

00:56:21.200 dying

00:56:21.660 during a stillbirth

00:56:23.800 because the medical,

00:56:25.900 the nurses

00:56:26.300 and the doctors

00:56:27.000 looked at the

00:56:27.600 medical records

00:56:28.240 that showed male

00:56:29.060 and were testing

00:56:30.300 for things

00:56:31.020 that were not

00:56:32.040 a pregnancy

00:56:32.700 gone wrong.

00:56:34.240 Right.

00:56:34.540 Yeah.

00:56:34.840 You never hear

00:56:35.500 those stories

00:56:36.040 in the mainstream

00:56:36.500 media,

00:56:36.920 do you?

00:56:37.920 It's horrifying.

00:56:39.160 Because men

00:56:39.460 can't be pregnant.

00:56:40.780 Right?

00:56:41.240 I mean,

00:56:41.620 now people pretend

00:56:42.320 they can.

00:56:42.980 There's no such

00:56:43.760 thing as transitioning.

00:56:45.140 You can mutilate

00:56:45.800 your body

00:56:46.280 or shoot yourself

00:56:46.900 with hormones

00:56:47.420 or pretend

00:56:47.920 that you're

00:56:48.280 a different sex.

00:56:49.080 There is no

00:56:49.720 actual such thing

00:56:50.800 as transitioning.

00:56:51.700 But now,

00:56:52.520 the old surgery

00:56:53.840 that makes you

00:56:54.480 more resemble

00:56:55.040 the other sex

00:56:55.660 used to be called

00:56:56.820 gender reassignment

00:56:58.320 surgery.

00:56:59.100 Now,

00:56:59.280 do you know

00:56:59.440 what it's called?

00:57:00.240 Gender confirmation

00:57:01.660 surgery.

00:57:03.960 Which is the opposite.

00:57:04.920 Now,

00:57:05.240 if you call a man

00:57:06.080 who thinks he's a woman,

00:57:07.160 if you refer to him

00:57:07.940 as a man,

00:57:08.440 you're accused

00:57:08.740 of misgendering.

00:57:10.040 The only person

00:57:10.760 misgendering is the

00:57:11.560 person who pretends

00:57:12.160 that the man

00:57:12.520 is really a woman.

00:57:13.220 So what if I don't

00:57:13.820 have the gender

00:57:14.360 confirmation surgery?

00:57:15.640 How can I confirm

00:57:16.300 that I'm actually a woman?

00:57:18.020 How do I know

00:57:18.800 that you're actually a woman?

00:57:19.760 Well,

00:57:20.720 but these days,

00:57:21.700 I know.

00:57:22.380 It's very confusing.

00:57:23.380 I can't think about this.

00:57:24.500 I could be

00:57:25.160 the first pregnant man.

00:57:26.760 Remember that?

00:57:27.420 The first pregnant man

00:57:28.400 and he was on

00:57:29.260 with Barbara Walters

00:57:30.140 and 60 Minutes

00:57:31.320 and The Pew.

00:57:31.620 Yeah,

00:57:31.640 where's your 60 Minutes

00:57:32.720 spread?

00:57:33.560 That's right.

00:57:34.180 The second pregnant man.

00:57:35.360 There he is.

00:57:36.980 Arun,

00:57:37.660 Dr. Kofefe,

00:57:38.840 my family are

00:57:39.560 Trump supporters

00:57:40.160 but are souring

00:57:41.240 to the president

00:57:41.760 because he didn't

00:57:42.460 build the wall.

00:57:43.340 How common

00:57:43.820 do you think this is

00:57:44.720 and could Trump

00:57:45.380 lose in 2020

00:57:46.700 due to not building

00:57:47.540 the wall?

00:57:48.060 Absolutely he could.

00:57:49.060 He lost his biggest

00:57:50.440 supporter Ann Coulter.

00:57:52.120 I mean,

00:57:52.920 Ann Coulter said,

00:57:53.660 build the wall.

00:57:54.240 Come on,

00:57:54.700 Donald.

00:57:55.320 And he didn't do it.

00:57:56.400 He's got to build the wall.

00:57:57.400 He says that he's doing it.

00:57:58.980 He's talking a good game.

00:58:00.340 I know it's very hard

00:58:01.300 to do it.

00:58:02.160 I sympathize.

00:58:04.160 I feel bad for him.

00:58:05.120 Do you think it's really,

00:58:06.420 it's not his fault

00:58:07.680 that the wall

00:58:08.200 hasn't been built?

00:58:09.780 Well,

00:58:10.420 it's his fault

00:58:11.660 in so much

00:58:12.140 as the buck stops

00:58:12.840 with the president.

00:58:13.780 I think it's

00:58:15.140 practically impossible

00:58:16.220 to build the wall.

00:58:17.420 I don't think

00:58:18.040 it's for lack of trying.

00:58:18.760 And make Mexico

00:58:19.420 pay for it

00:58:19.900 or just the first part?

00:58:21.000 Well,

00:58:21.240 you know,

00:58:21.780 look,

00:58:22.100 money's fungible

00:58:22.800 and Mexico,

00:58:24.380 like,

00:58:25.380 we are the dominant

00:58:26.280 partner in our trade

00:58:27.360 relationship with Mexico

00:58:28.160 so we can squeeze

00:58:28.920 some money out of them,

00:58:29.640 no question.

00:58:30.560 But the,

00:58:31.860 and I think it's,

00:58:32.480 look,

00:58:32.660 it's obviously in his interest

00:58:33.740 to build the wall.

00:58:34.420 I think he wants to.

00:58:35.520 He would win re-election

00:58:36.360 instantly if he did it.

00:58:37.720 It's very difficult.

00:58:38.880 But,

00:58:39.280 yeah,

00:58:39.600 yeah,

00:58:40.060 that's difficult.

00:58:40.680 Being president is tough.

00:58:41.440 They have said there's

00:58:42.080 some immigration announcements

00:58:43.960 that will be coming

00:58:44.700 out of the White House.

00:58:46.080 Knock on wood.

00:58:46.620 So,

00:58:47.060 we'll see.

00:58:47.860 This is our last question.

00:58:49.060 Can you believe it?

00:58:49.720 Gosh.

00:58:50.200 Thank God.

00:58:50.640 We made it,

00:58:51.120 honey.

00:58:51.420 A whole hour.

00:58:52.440 Okay,

00:58:52.940 last question comes

00:58:53.840 from Matthew.

00:58:54.900 But this is an ode

00:58:56.020 to your new Twitter handle.

00:58:58.400 Former Zygote.

00:58:59.520 Is it Zygote?

00:59:00.340 Zygote.

00:59:00.760 I'm a former Zygote.

00:59:02.000 Former Zygote Michael Knowles.

00:59:03.300 That's me.

00:59:04.040 I'm looking to get involved

00:59:05.620 in pro-life causes

00:59:06.660 and I live in Maine.

00:59:07.740 My wife has told me

00:59:08.820 she wants to go to a rally.

00:59:10.140 Do you know of any

00:59:11.620 based in New England

00:59:12.500 this summer?

00:59:13.600 I don't know of any

00:59:14.320 off the top of my head

00:59:15.440 but the pro-life movement

00:59:16.520 is everywhere.

00:59:18.000 So,

00:59:18.480 there are great places

00:59:20.240 to check out

00:59:20.880 for resources on this.

00:59:22.140 You might already know them

00:59:23.080 but Live Action

00:59:24.120 is a great one.

00:59:25.060 That's Lila Rose's outfit.

00:59:27.200 They do great work.

00:59:28.560 All of the Catholic websites

00:59:30.780 are big on pro-life.

00:59:32.320 Relevant Radio

00:59:32.880 is another great one.

00:59:34.220 Patrick Madrid

00:59:34.760 who does a terrific show.

00:59:36.820 Patrick Coffin.

00:59:37.620 These guys are talking about it.

00:59:38.980 So, you can go to their resources

00:59:40.280 and find them.

00:59:41.220 Susan B. Anthony List

00:59:42.080 is another one.

00:59:43.100 I mean, there are so many.

00:59:44.040 Human Coalition.

00:59:44.980 Human Coalition.

00:59:45.880 I mean, so,

00:59:46.360 that would be the first place

00:59:47.720 that I would start

00:59:48.320 because they post

00:59:49.180 a lot of information

00:59:50.020 about how to get involved

00:59:51.040 with pro-life.

00:59:52.660 So, I would definitely

00:59:53.500 start there

00:59:54.060 because you, like me,

00:59:55.300 are a former Zygote.

00:59:56.760 And when people use,

00:59:57.580 they use this word,

00:59:58.580 Zygote.

00:59:59.000 Zygote means the baby

01:00:00.540 right when he's been formed,

01:00:01.860 right when he's conceived.

01:00:02.840 And it's the kind of word

01:00:03.800 that you learn

01:00:04.460 in seventh grade biology class.

01:00:06.000 And people who use it

01:00:07.700 with a straight face

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The Michael Knowles Show - May 16, 2019

The Conversation Ep. 21： Michael Knowles

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