The Michael Knowles Show - The Conversation Ep. 23 Michael Knowles

00:00:00.000 And we're going to do it live. Everyone, I'm Elisha Krause, host of this episode of The

00:00:04.480 Conversation. With me is Michael Knowles, who will be taking your questions live for an entire hour

00:00:10.000 here on The Conversation. All right, it's good to be back, but I need to remind everybody because

00:00:19.040 I've been out for a few weeks. It's been a little while. They should know that only subscribers get

00:00:22.500 to ask the questions. I'm not pregnant anymore, so I'm going to have some of this now. Hang on.

00:00:26.320 As good as you remember it? As good as I remember it. By the way,

00:00:32.220 hopefully that will make Michael more interesting in his answers. Yeah, well, it's going to get more

00:00:36.960 and more interesting as the show goes on. Is it two-finger? Is that what that's called?

00:00:39.580 Yeah, something like that. All righty. So when Michael answers your questions,

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00:01:02.540 on that yet, but it's going to be with our editor-in-chief, New York Times bestselling author,

00:01:07.200 my brother from another mother, you know, racist, bigoted, homophobe Ben Shapiro.

00:01:11.540 That Nazi. Yeah, right.

00:01:12.800 The old right Nazi Ben Shapiro. What have you been dubbed?

00:01:16.520 Well, I'm very pleased because Southern Poverty Law Center said that of all the Prager videos,

00:01:21.700 mine was the most egregious. So I got most egregious and also that I'm a bigoted cesspool of hate.

00:01:29.240 So that's not bad. It's not quite Nazi, but it's not bad.

00:01:32.100 If they only knew that the Daily Wire office is really a cesspool of hate towards you.

00:01:35.660 That's right. Yeah, that's right. I am the recipient of the cesspool of hate.

00:01:39.160 You're like, I'm the victim here. That's right.

00:01:39.860 I'm the victim here. You are the minority.

00:01:41.980 They never give me any of my grievance.

00:01:44.440 That's too bad. It's good to be back. We got some great questions.

00:01:47.280 It was really fun to see everybody at Backstage Live.

00:01:49.340 How fun was that?

00:01:50.040 I've been getting tons of messages from people.

00:01:52.320 There are people that flew in from Puerto Rico, Canada, like Central America.

00:01:57.640 South Africa. Someone flew in from South Africa to California for the Backstage Live.

00:02:02.840 To see you?

00:02:03.280 To see Little Ulm. It was, I don't know, it was probably like Drew or somebody, right?

00:02:06.760 But still, I was there also.

00:02:08.080 It was tons of fun. It was a great crowd.

00:02:09.900 We got to do more live things like that because the audience is so much fun to be around.

00:02:13.640 It was terrific.

00:02:14.300 But we also love doing these for you guys and talking to our streaming audience who are equally as awesome.

00:02:18.880 Let's get to this question from Danny, a terrific Daily Wire subscriber.

00:02:22.460 His question is, in the 2024 election, assuming that Ben doesn't run, TBD,

00:02:27.720 who do you think has a better chance of getting the Republican nomination?

00:02:31.120 Oh, one can hope. Dan Crenshaw or Ted Cruz or someone else and why?

00:02:36.260 Okay. I'm going to be very careful in my answer because I know and like both of those guys very much.

00:02:42.000 They would both be terrific candidates. I did a commercial. I did two commercials, actually, for Ted Cruz.

00:02:46.640 I supported him in the 2016 primaries. I really like Dan Crenshaw. I think he's a terrific guy, too.

00:02:51.680 I suspect we just don't know yet. I'm not saying it won't be one of those two guys.

00:02:56.520 I'm not saying either of those guys are going to run. It's just if you had asked years and years out, five years out,

00:03:03.300 so in 2011, would you have said Donald Trump is going to be the nominee in 2016?

00:03:08.540 I don't think so. I don't think you would have been able to do that.

00:03:10.860 Could you even have said that about Mitt Romney in 2012?

00:03:13.620 Could you have said that about John McCain in 2008? I just don't think so.

00:03:16.980 We are way too far out. Politics does not stay eternal in the abstract forever.

00:03:21.440 However, circumstances change. Look, depending on how the economy does, we could have a very

00:03:26.420 different situation in 2021 than we were looking at right now.

00:03:30.660 So there's just no way to tell. But I love Cruz and I love Crenshaw, so I think those guys should

00:03:35.760 both take it seriously. Danny, I can't believe you forgot my girl and Ben's spirit animal, Nikki Haley.

00:03:40.640 Nikki Haley is obviously a real contender, too.

00:03:42.520 She'd be incredible to be in that mix.

00:03:45.040 Yeah, absolutely.

00:03:45.600 I think that really we can always tout that the Republicans are going to have a better lineup than the

00:03:50.120 zoo of people on the left right now.

00:03:51.900 True, other than Eric Swalwell, because he's all of us. He's every single one of us.

00:03:55.560 He's you and me.

00:03:56.080 So actually, the one who's going to win the 2024 nomination for the GOP, guaranteed to be Eric Swalwell.

00:04:02.120 Okay. Margo says, Michael, are you writing a real book with words in it?

00:04:06.220 I have to tell you something. I am. I haven't talked too much about it yet, and once we got

00:04:13.720 something together, we'll release it. Writing a book with words is much, much harder than writing a book

00:04:19.140 without words, though I put much more research into my book without words than I put into my book

00:04:24.140 with words. It's actually a lot of fun, though. I really do enjoy writing, even when I have to use

00:04:28.440 words. It helps you focus your thoughts, and so I've had a good time writing it. Hopefully,

00:04:33.000 I'll be able to crank this book out before I'm 85.

00:04:35.760 You know that the Charlie Brown teacher noise is not, it doesn't equal real words.

00:04:41.460 That's not a word?

00:04:42.020 That want, want, want, want, want. You can't have a whole book of that.

00:04:44.480 Yeah, what is that? No, I'm writing like a Dadaist manifesto, so it'll really, I've gone

00:04:49.560 from no words to just kind of nonsense words.

00:04:51.660 Okay.

00:04:52.100 Yeah, so look out for that.

00:04:53.300 It's going to be a lot of fun.

00:04:53.600 Like toddler speak.

00:04:54.460 Mm-hmm.

00:04:54.900 It will be really big with my two-year-old then.

00:04:57.680 Ethan wants to know, often conservatism is defined by the beliefs of Judeo-Christian values.

00:05:02.300 Ben's book, of course, Right Side of History, talks about that a lot. However, there are many

00:05:06.240 places where the two don't agree. What's, in your opinion, the balance of Jewish values

00:05:10.480 values to Christian values? Oh, you mean that there are different, there's a difference

00:05:15.160 between Judaism and Christianity rather than between Judeo-Christian values and conservatism?

00:05:20.240 Yes, of course. There's a big difference between Judaism and Christianity, namely an old Jewish

00:05:25.160 fellow by the name of Jesus. So that would be one difference. As, as that pertains to politics,

00:05:32.260 you'd have to give me a more specific example. The, I guess the big theological difference would

00:05:37.580 be that of grace, that of unmerited grace, your savior coming down because you cannot redeem

00:05:44.080 yourself. You cannot atone for your own sins. The world is hopelessly broken unless you have hope

00:05:48.660 in a true savior named Christ who comes down, conquers death on the cross, rises again on the

00:05:53.500 third day, and redeems mankind. Obviously, Judaism doesn't have Jesus. And so you, you see other

00:06:01.020 political values that come out of that. Different focuses on mercy rather than on justice or different

00:06:07.320 visions of justice. Those, those would be significant differences in, in those two things. I don't

00:06:14.160 even really use the phrase Judeo-Christian so much though, because, you know, we're talking about two

00:06:19.480 different religions, but Christians view Christianity as the fulfillment of Judaism. So I think it's

00:06:25.480 important to, to also mention those shared values. And when it comes to politics, those are the values

00:06:31.240 that undergird our country. You know, we're not a Buddhist country. We're not a Hindu country. We're a

00:06:37.120 country that was founded on Christianity. And Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism. So

00:06:40.880 the, the phrase Judeo-Christian really talks about something real. Without that, of course,

00:06:46.720 there is no West. There is no America. There, there are, are no American values. Um, so I think

00:06:52.920 politically the reason people don't talk about the differences very much is, it just doesn't have

00:06:57.360 very much bearing on the country. Or the, the major, other than the Messiah, who we believe is the

00:07:02.920 Messiah, that there aren't enough glaring differences is what you're saying. Well, it would be, you know,

00:07:06.880 you wouldn't say like the Hindu Christian values because those are just simply utterly different

00:07:11.780 visions of the world. Whereas Christianity is Judaism, you know, enfleshed, you know, Christ comes

00:07:18.300 down as the Jewish Messiah. Um, so I, I, I think that would be the, those, those would be the

00:07:24.240 differences. But if you, if you, you know, if you look through all of Western literature,

00:07:27.680 if you want to see those differences be compared in different views of grace and mercy and justice,

00:07:31.840 that's a huge portion of the conversation that you see happening throughout the Western canon.

00:07:37.120 All right. And this is the conversation in case you just tuned in. I am Elisha Krause,

00:07:40.620 and this is our guest this month, Michael Knowles. Next month is Ben Shapiro. Let's keep

00:07:44.900 rolling through these and give our subscribers their money's worth. I mean, unless they have the

00:07:48.620 leftist who's Tumblr and that to me is totally worth it anyway. But Andrew says,

00:07:52.180 do you have any tips or advice for new college students starting school this month?

00:07:56.540 I do. Depending on what you're majoring in, either engage in all of these political ideas and be out

00:08:03.640 there and do exactly what I did and really refine your political views in public, in conversation,

00:08:08.700 or if you want to get a job, keep your head down. Because in, in, there's a vindictive climate right

00:08:14.840 now, both at the academy and in corporate America. And what you say and what you do will have

00:08:20.660 consequences. I don't think I got knocked on too many grades because I was out about my political

00:08:24.940 views, but it does happen. And it happened to me a very little bit on occasion. And if you want to

00:08:30.360 apply for certain jobs, if you want to go into certain fields, you might have to be a little

00:08:33.380 quieter about it. What I would focus on is studying the real things. Don't study ethnicity studies.

00:08:39.960 Don't study feminist studies. Don't study studies, studies, and all the different studies.

00:08:43.480 I would study history, English, math, foreign languages, classics, philosophy. Study the real

00:08:53.580 subjects, the real sturdy subjects. Get a liberal education if you're at a liberal arts school.

00:08:59.300 If you're going into a more professional school studying business, fine, go and do that. But I would

00:09:05.540 study those real things. The more faddish ideological disciplines that are coming up are really useless.

00:09:10.620 And statistically, you're probably likely to be going into debt if you're going to college

00:09:15.040 right now. So make sure you get an education that's worth something. Doesn't mean it has to

00:09:18.500 train you for a job. Liberal education is not supposed to train you for a job. But you should

00:09:22.680 be getting something for those years of your life and for all that money that you're going to be

00:09:26.440 putting into it. Hundreds of thousands of dollars. Hundreds of thousands of dollars. I mean,

00:09:30.460 even community colleges are insanely expensive now. Yeah, it can be. This is a very important

00:09:34.480 question. Samantha's curious to know, how's your fish doing? That's an excellent question. I have this

00:09:39.980 character in the Daily Wire world, which is my pet fish. Which no one from our office

00:09:43.960 is running, by the way. Yeah. At first, I assumed someone was. No one's running it. No one from

00:09:48.580 social media is running that. It's one of my favorite accounts on Twitter. And so I haven't

00:09:54.340 checked in with my pet fish in a while. And just as a rule, if you ever catch me speaking to my pet

00:10:00.580 fish anytime in my... Just call in the insane asylum. Have them lock me up in a straight jacket.

00:10:05.460 Because it's fine. I've overdosed on Covfefe at that point. It's too much. And you got to wheel

00:10:10.240 me out of there in a gurney. I also have Elisha Krause's cow. Like I have a cow. And so it must

00:10:15.340 be, this is like really deep and behind the scenes. Yeah. This has to be somebody. And they're all

00:10:20.340 different people. I have confirmed that they're, it's not Daily Wire staffers. And they're all different

00:10:25.360 fans from all over the country. But this fan has to have known, like listened to the morning answer

00:10:30.900 back when Ben and I were on. Because I would talk about how we'd name our family cows back in

00:10:35.600 Oklahoma after Jane Austen characters. Wow. That's a deep cut. It's real deep cut. So the Michael

00:10:41.040 Knowles fish, where the heck did it come from? You know what? Was that a deep cut too? Is that like

00:10:44.600 an early episode of your podcast? No, I think it's because I've used this flippant line sometimes. So

00:10:50.940 you know, when people want to bring up totally irrelevant information, I'll tell them, like for

00:10:55.440 instance, you know, let's say people write to me, they ask for relationship advice. They'll say, Michael,

00:10:59.840 I'm a young man. Not the guy to be. I know. They're trying to be led astray. They'll say,

00:11:04.760 Michael, I'm single. I really like this girl. You know, I asked her out, but she said she has a

00:11:10.140 boyfriend. Yes. So what should I say to her? I said, well, you should tell her that you have a pet

00:11:14.220 goldfish if we're talking about things that don't matter at all. And then you should go take her out

00:11:17.520 for a drink. This, I think, is the origin of my pet fish. Although, you know, one can never be sure

00:11:23.700 of your imaginary pets. Can my pet fish please tweet or your pet fish tweet my cow to let

00:11:29.820 us know where this deep cut came from. And it is a good Twitter follow for sure. Much better than

00:11:35.200 Michael. All right. Ezra says, Michael, who do you think will be the Democratic candidate? This

00:11:40.160 is one of the questions I think that we covered it backstage last week. It will, you know, every

00:11:44.060 day, I guess it could change, though it does seem to be going in the direction of Liz Warren. A lot

00:11:48.220 of us called that Joe Biden was a weak candidate for a few reasons. One, he doesn't have all of his

00:11:53.120 marbles. He's losing it. He's going senile. I don't even mean that just to throw bombs. I mean,

00:11:57.700 the guy can't string a sentence together. He runs out of steam at all of these debates.

00:12:02.660 Two, he didn't have many marbles to begin with. He's always been kind of a doofus. You know,

00:12:07.180 he dropped out in the late 80s because he lied about his law school record. He plagiarized a

00:12:11.560 speech. Then in the 2008, he ran and no one cared. And he only became vice president because Obama

00:12:17.000 really, really, really didn't like Hillary Clinton. He didn't really do anything when he was in the

00:12:21.240 Senate. He passed one bill, which was pretty good, the crime bill. Now he has to run away from that.

00:12:25.020 He's just kind of like- He's thrown away from a lot of the stuff that he did when he was in the

00:12:27.940 Senate. Yes. He's kind of like nothing. And so Kamala Harris has been weak. I thought she had a

00:12:32.920 really good chance. She's just not good at retail politics. She's not likable. She too is running

00:12:39.300 away from her record as a prosecutor. Yeah. So if you're not, if you're going to run away from the

00:12:43.600 only thing you've ever done, why would someone vote for you? It seems like by default right now,

00:12:47.760 Liz Warren seems to be the one surging. New Monmouth poll just out today.

00:12:51.020 Shows that. Shows Biden's down 13 points according to that poll. So things are really not looking

00:12:56.000 good for him. It's hard to see how he turns it around. Whereas Liz Warren, she's unlikable.

00:13:00.620 She's got that horrific voice. She lied about her ethnicity for 30 years.

00:13:04.940 She's got a hoo-ha and they want a woman in the White House. So if Kamala ain't going to cut it,

00:13:10.160 she's a little more interesting than Kirsten. Oh, yes.

00:13:13.380 That's what they do. It's all identity politics. True. And Warren is really smart. People should

00:13:20.740 not underestimate her intelligence. Ben has said this because she was a professor when he was at

00:13:23.580 Harvard Law. That's right. She's a Harvard Law professor. I mean, she's really sharp. She's

00:13:27.240 sharp enough to steal all of Bernie's plans for everything. And she doesn't make as many mistakes

00:13:32.140 as some of the other candidates. So if I were a gambling man right now, I think my money would

00:13:36.080 probably be on her. I have to say about Kamala too, I think that she does well in the bubble that is

00:13:40.500 California politics. But she doesn't have that appeal outside of our borders.

00:13:48.180 I think if she ran on her career as a prosecutor, I think she's also very smart. I think she's

00:13:53.760 willing to do anything to get ahead. Let's leave it at that. And I think she checks all the

00:13:59.120 intersectional boxes. So I think she could have been a good candidate. She's just so terrible in

00:14:03.760 person that she's allowed Liz Warren to jump ahead of her. Boring meets boring. And somehow one

00:14:08.960 came out on top. That's right. All right. We'll have to see what happens. Eitan wants to know,

00:14:13.640 would you consider visiting Israel in the future? Probably or possibly as part of a speaking tour?

00:14:18.780 I would absolutely love to, though. I don't want to go with Rashida Tlaib or Ilhan Omar.

00:14:23.100 I want to avoid that. Then you wouldn't be able to get in.

00:14:24.560 Yeah, I don't want to go with Mifta. I don't want any part of that. But I would love to go to Israel.

00:14:28.640 It's a great dream of mine. Have you never been? I've never been. I would love to visit the Holy Land.

00:14:32.420 And, yeah, the first chance that that slave driver Shapiro lets me out of my broom closet,

00:14:38.500 I would really be delighted to make it over there. It's certainly on my list of,

00:14:42.880 toward the top of my list of places I want to go visit.

00:14:45.100 All right. Arun says, Dear Dr. Kofefe, what Western philosophers do you think should be taught

00:14:49.820 in public school? And who should be booted to make room for them? I don't think any philosophy

00:14:54.780 is taught in public school. Yeah, I don't know what public school you're going to, but good job. I had one

00:14:58.720 excellent teacher in high school who taught an elective philosophy course. Wow. But that was

00:15:03.720 the exception. In a public school? Yeah, public school. Wow. But he was the exception, not the rule.

00:15:07.420 Okay. If you only had to do one or two, if that was all you could fit in, it certainly would be

00:15:13.540 Aristotle or Plato. I mean, that would, just if you could teach. The basics? Right. If you could teach

00:15:17.560 Aristotle and Plato, that would so correct some of the, many of the academic problems that you see.

00:15:24.440 There are many other philosophers who should be taught, or theologians as well, or people who

00:15:29.220 kind of blur the line, like St. Thomas Aquinas. That would be great to do that. We tend to have

00:15:34.260 this focus on the Enlightenment philosophers, just in America and in this world. But I think that's

00:15:40.440 kind of a mistake. There are other great philosophers dating back to antiquity, and we should probably read

00:15:44.680 them. We should also probably read the ancient historians, like Thucydides. I think that would

00:15:49.220 correct a lot of educational problems. And then most importantly, we should read the Bible in school.

00:15:55.200 This is not my theocratic fascism, like some of the leftists want to call it. You Bible thumper.

00:16:00.880 I'm not a Bible thumper. It's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying it's the most important book that

00:16:04.860 has ever been written, and it singularly shaped Western civilization. And the whole rest of the

00:16:10.880 Western canon that you read after that makes no sense. Like, none of it makes any sense if you are not

00:16:17.960 biblically literate. So the fact that we don't teach the Bible in school because of some stupid

00:16:22.500 Supreme Court decision 50 years ago to appease some aggrieved atheists is just absurd. I mean, it is

00:16:29.560 not possible to have a serious education if you haven't read the Bible. And so even before the

00:16:36.060 philosophers, I would say we need to get some biblical literacy back in schools as well.

00:16:39.600 So here's a follow-up question to that. Would you say that the average American that, you know,

00:16:43.760 might be middle class and just work a nine-to-five job every day should read all the things that you

00:16:48.580 said? Or do you think, because you and Andrew Klavan have defended, you know, when Jeremy and I

00:16:52.840 are kind of like anti-college. Yeah, well, I'm pro-liberal education. A lot of colleges screw that up.

00:16:57.760 And you're very pro-liberal education. Drew talks about this a lot. Of course, he spent a lot of time,

00:17:01.840 you know, at Oxford and in England and has a love for old history and all that stuff. Do you think

00:17:06.580 that that's something that is only for the, I guess, the elite educated people? Or do you think that is

00:17:12.120 the philosophy for everyone? Well, college is not for everyone. And these days it's probably for no

00:17:17.820 one. But, you know, in 1940, 1945, I think we had about five percent of Americans graduated from a

00:17:23.800 four-year college. Now, 60 percent of high school seniors are going to go on to a college. Many of

00:17:29.880 them won't graduate. They'll go into debt and not graduate. But I don't think that liberal education

00:17:35.260 is necessary or a four-year liberal arts college is necessary for everyone. I suspect there were a whole

00:17:41.840 lot of farmers in the 19th century who knew a whole lot more about our Western tradition

00:17:46.540 than graduates of Yale, Harvard, Stanford today. And the reason for that, there was a study from ISI,

00:17:53.460 the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, 2007. So it's almost certainly gotten worse. And it showed

00:17:58.220 that seniors graduating from the best colleges in the country, or at least the elite colleges,

00:18:02.980 knew less about their history and their civics and their government than the freshmen who were coming

00:18:07.200 in. They somehow became more ignorant during their time in college. So I don't think that everyone

00:18:11.500 should go to college. I think many fewer people should go to four-year liberal arts colleges.

00:18:15.840 However, many more people should have a liberal education. That begins not only when you're five

00:18:20.620 years old in kindergarten through high school. That should begin in the nursery. That should begin

00:18:25.520 with your parents reading you the Bible, reading you great poems, or reading you even mediocre poems,

00:18:31.540 but educating you, playing you music, opening you up to culture. I was in a room with my priest in New York

00:18:37.620 on his birthday party. And at the end of the night, we're playing a Chopin nocturne. There were five

00:18:42.120 or six of us there. It was so beautiful. And somebody in the room mentioned, said, there are

00:18:45.780 many people on the street who don't even know that this exists. That's not snobbery to say that. It's

00:18:50.780 to say, what a beautiful thing that we're experiencing. And this has been denied many people

00:18:55.860 in the country. Everyone should be exposed to that kind of culture. Everyone should be exposed to that

00:19:01.480 kind of education in the true sense of the word. And ironically, these days, the formal process of

00:19:07.860 the four-year colleges with the brand name, in many cases, are actually undercutting that

00:19:13.440 educational mission.

00:19:14.620 All right. Laurel, one of our favorite subscribers, good to see you last week. Laurel says,

00:19:19.500 hey, Michael, if I were to sew you a bow tie, what are some ideas of the colors and designs that you

00:19:24.600 would like? Oh, Laurel, I so would appreciate that because I love bow ties. Tomorrow is actually

00:19:30.440 National Bowtie Day. Are you going to rock one on the podcast? I hope so. Only if I can decide

00:19:35.160 which one to wear. I've long loved bow ties. If it's good enough for Winston Churchill, it's good

00:19:39.580 enough for me. But I am woefully ignorant when it comes to matters of style. She should ask Jess.

00:19:46.240 She should ask Jess. I actually, especially when it comes to sartorial style, I defer to you,

00:19:51.360 Laurel. Any bow tie that you make me, I will wear with great pleasure and joy and honor.

00:19:57.260 I feel like it should be a leftist tears one.

00:19:59.400 You could do that.

00:20:00.620 Right.

00:20:00.760 There are many, a stogie bow tie. I don't know. There are many options.

00:20:03.340 Oh, cigar would be cool. A little whiskey glasses or something.

00:20:06.460 There are these people like on Etsy and stuff that make really fantastic prints that people

00:20:10.800 can then use.

00:20:11.460 Oh, yeah.

00:20:12.240 They ain't cheap.

00:20:13.640 I actually would push back against this a little bit though because

00:20:15.860 today, the reason I don't wear bow ties very much, a lot of people don't,

00:20:20.280 is because they're considered just novelty. They're considered sort of silly things.

00:20:24.580 So you have like kind of novelty designs on it.

00:20:26.500 Yeah.

00:20:26.640 A really crisp bow tie with a little polka dot like Churchill or some nice like regimental

00:20:31.880 stripes or something, that can really look very serious on the right guy.

00:20:35.840 My husband once wore, we had a black tie event and he had like a velvet suit jacket and a skull

00:20:41.160 and crossbone bow tie.

00:20:42.200 That's pretty cool.

00:20:42.800 That's very prep, very traditional.

00:20:44.360 That's exactly what Winston would have done.

00:20:48.000 All right.

00:20:48.460 Dean says, future saint and covfefe distributor Knowles, when do you know if your girlfriend

00:20:53.380 is the one that you want to marry?

00:20:55.340 Well, when you want to marry her, that's when you know that she's the one you want to marry.

00:20:58.460 What are you asking me for?

00:21:00.300 You, look, I think people should get married younger.

00:21:02.700 I wish I got married.

00:21:03.500 I got married at 28.

00:21:04.460 I wish I'd done it younger.

00:21:05.720 Marriage is so great.

00:21:06.640 I mean, being in LA, you're from New York.

00:21:08.440 Oh, I know.

00:21:09.060 I was like a child practically compared to what people get married these days.

00:21:12.460 And I wish I had done it years earlier.

00:21:14.540 Marriage is great.

00:21:15.700 Everything people tell you about how you should wait and marriage is terrible and that's all

00:21:19.340 bunk.

00:21:19.980 It's total BS.

00:21:21.360 When you get married, you are committing to something, to someone, and to say that you

00:21:26.760 are now ready to be a serious person in society, in civil society.

00:21:31.600 Very often now, look, I married my high school sweetheart, so that is not going to happen to

00:21:36.940 everybody, but when I hear people talk about relationships and marriage, they'll say, oh,

00:21:42.720 well, does she check this box?

00:21:44.160 She checks this and this and this, but she doesn't quite agree with me on this aspect of

00:21:48.060 tax policy, so she's dead and I've got to swipe right and I've got to go find someone

00:21:51.080 else.

00:21:52.100 They show that on Tinder?

00:21:53.660 They do.

00:21:54.280 Yeah.

00:21:54.960 Then I would have signed up.

00:21:56.280 I knew that.

00:21:57.720 They're taking the romance out of it.

00:21:59.580 They're taking the joy out of it.

00:22:01.680 I mean, dating is fun and marriage is fun, too.

00:22:04.560 So there's this idea, especially since like the 70s and 80s, that conservatives are the

00:22:10.620 eggheads.

00:22:11.280 We're the accountants.

00:22:12.120 We're just tallying up taxes and entitlement programs and all this stuff, and the leftists,

00:22:16.740 they're the ones pulled by great romance.

00:22:19.320 The exact opposite is true.

00:22:21.840 Leftists are the ones tabulating in this utilitarian way the exact price of every aspect of human

00:22:27.220 life.

00:22:27.600 They're like cynics.

00:22:28.420 They know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

00:22:30.840 Conservatives do have a sense of romance.

00:22:32.780 I mean, Edmund Burke, the sort of first modern conservative philosopher, was an aesthetic

00:22:37.900 philosopher.

00:22:38.720 He wrote about beauty.

00:22:40.340 He was a proto-romantic.

00:22:41.740 All the romantic poets that came afterward were disciples of Edmund Burke, and so should

00:22:46.660 we be, conservatives.

00:22:47.780 So here's how you should know.

00:22:49.600 Here's how you should know if you should ask a girl out.

00:22:51.280 Is she cute?

00:22:52.080 Do you like her?

00:22:53.060 Does your heart go pitter-patter?

00:22:54.720 Then go ask her out and go get a drink.

00:22:56.460 Here's how you know if you should lean in for a kiss.

00:22:58.500 Do you want to kiss her?

00:22:59.440 Lean in for a kiss.

00:23:00.200 See if it happens.

00:23:00.960 Hopefully she says yes.

00:23:01.900 The natural, the 90-10.

00:23:03.700 Yeah, I mean, there are all these different.

00:23:04.980 Now these days you need like a notarized consent form to even like shake a girl's hand.

00:23:08.160 Make sure you have a lawyer present.

00:23:08.940 Right.

00:23:09.300 Make sure you got a lawyer present.

00:23:10.640 And then how do you know if you're ready to get married?

00:23:12.700 I don't know.

00:23:13.080 Is she a great girl?

00:23:13.900 Do you want to have a good life?

00:23:14.780 Go buy a ring.

00:23:14.820 Do you want to be an adult?

00:23:16.020 If you like it, then you should put a ring on it.

00:23:18.760 Yep.

00:23:18.980 And I think that there's so much too, especially for men, I mean, speaking of Judeo-Christian values, that you change or you should change in your maturity level when you do get married and you have that responsibility.

00:23:29.940 Even in my household where we're double income, right?

00:23:34.680 We both work.

00:23:35.700 There's still a level of things are different for my husband because he is the head of the house.

00:23:40.800 Yeah.

00:23:41.020 And like there's that responsibility.

00:23:42.280 And then even more so when you start to procreate and be fruitful and multiply, which is what we're trying to do.

00:23:47.740 Yeah, right.

00:23:47.940 You know, just had a third kid and I'm like, maybe we could go fourth because I got to like.

00:23:51.640 You have like three kids a year.

00:23:52.800 I don't know how you do it.

00:23:53.820 I have to repopulate California with conservatives.

00:23:56.320 This is true.

00:23:57.120 You know, one time I was working for Mitch Daniels, the campaign to try to draft him for president.

00:24:02.220 And he came and we said, how are we going to save the country?

00:24:05.140 How are we going to do it?

00:24:05.880 We got this crippling debt.

00:24:07.460 Education has fallen apart.

00:24:08.940 You know, we've got to fight all these elections.

00:24:10.700 He said, you can beat the left either, you know, at the ballot box through these really gritty, tough political campaigns.

00:24:16.920 Or you can out reproduce them.

00:24:19.920 And the latter is a lot more fun.

00:24:22.780 Rick Santorum once told me backstage at CPAC that I was appeared to be a good mother, so I should have eight more.

00:24:28.660 And I was like, is that to have conservatives take over?

00:24:31.820 And he's like, yes, this is my plan.

00:24:33.440 He's like, what do you think Catholics and Mormons do it for?

00:24:35.960 That is great.

00:24:36.600 That's very sex positive.

00:24:37.900 You know, the left says that we're not sex positive.

00:24:40.380 Yeah, apparently rich, like white men are supposed to not want me to do that.

00:24:45.220 That's right.

00:24:45.600 Because they want to shut me down and it's not my body, not my choice.

00:24:48.840 I don't know.

00:24:49.700 I'm sure there's some Handmaid's Tale people that will watch and say, well, that's them telling you how to use your body and not giving you the freedom to.

00:24:56.280 How dare they?

00:24:57.140 But I also make cute kids.

00:24:58.620 You make very cute kids.

00:24:59.980 And you got to get on that parent wagon.

00:25:01.580 I know.

00:25:01.980 I got to start working on it.

00:25:02.760 We got to just, yeah.

00:25:04.300 And ask the girl out.

00:25:05.540 Ask the girl out.

00:25:06.360 Yeah, just man up and do it.

00:25:07.560 Come on.

00:25:07.900 Do it.

00:25:08.200 Come on.

00:25:08.700 Do it.

00:25:08.940 Be a man.

00:25:09.880 It's like that scene when Johnny Fontaine in The Godfather goes up.

00:25:12.560 I've never seen it, which is why I said Fredo wrong last week.

00:25:16.700 I know.

00:25:17.120 Well, I'll give you a glimpse into the Godfather.

00:25:18.560 I wasn't sure if it was Alfredo and I didn't want to be racist and say like Fredo, like Alfredo.

00:25:22.980 That's our word.

00:25:23.100 Because that's what was in my head.

00:25:24.660 That's our word.

00:25:25.160 And I said Fredo and everybody was like.

00:25:27.660 So there's a scene in The Godfather.

00:25:29.100 Johnny Fontaine is the singer.

00:25:30.300 He goes up to Don Corleone.

00:25:32.200 He's the main guy, right?

00:25:33.500 Don Corleone is Marlon Brando.

00:25:35.400 And Johnny Fontaine says, I got to get out of my contract, but I don't know how to get out.

00:25:39.620 And he starts crying.

00:25:41.380 And Marlon Brando goes up to him.

00:25:43.060 He said, what can I do?

00:25:44.760 What can I do?

00:25:46.180 You can act like a man.

00:25:48.280 What's the matter with you?

00:25:50.620 That's what you can do.

00:25:51.980 Except don't smack her.

00:25:53.660 Yeah, well, no, I'd be smacking you.

00:25:55.020 He was theoretically smacking you to make you act like a man.

00:25:57.720 Media matters.

00:25:58.760 Michael Knowles advocates smacking women.

00:26:01.420 Exactly.

00:26:02.120 Seated next to Blonde Bimbo.

00:26:04.240 Oh, gosh.

00:26:05.120 Jessica says, Michael, how do you think C.S. Lewis would be received if he had been alive in 2019 and tried to publish The Chronicles of Narnia now?

00:26:12.640 What do you think that means for modern Christian writers today?

00:26:15.200 He would be received like Andrew Clavin.

00:26:17.940 I don't want to flatter Drew and compare him to C.S. Lewis, but there would be some parallels.

00:26:23.040 Drew is a writer of fiction and now nonfiction, and they even share the same version of Christianity.

00:26:30.300 They're both Anglican.

00:26:31.920 And Drew has been blackballed from Hollywood.

00:26:35.400 He's been blackballed from the mainstream of entertainment.

00:26:38.620 And C.S. Lewis certainly would be, though C.S. Lewis, even in his own time, was an academic.

00:26:44.080 And even at Oxford, he was sort of discriminated against.

00:26:47.760 People thought he was a wacko as a Christian, writing these children's stories.

00:26:51.480 They certainly thought Tolkien was a weirdo.

00:26:53.260 He kind of was a weirdo, creating his own language.

00:26:55.640 And, you know, if you're writing about things that are good and true and beautiful, you're probably going to be repulsed by the popular culture.

00:27:02.860 And that's just the way that it is.

00:27:04.880 Jesus tells us that that will happen.

00:27:07.220 So it shouldn't come as any surprise, certainly to Christians.

00:27:10.460 That's the cost.

00:27:11.340 I mean, that's fine.

00:27:11.880 Do you want to be accepted by the schlubs of this world?

00:27:15.520 Or do you want to do something that is good and true and beautiful and aimed toward your maker and to the higher good?

00:27:22.200 That's a choice you've got to make.

00:27:23.440 And there are a lot of...

00:27:24.640 Look, I mean, I love my life.

00:27:27.600 I'm out in terms of my religion and my politics and my sexuality.

00:27:32.260 No, I'm kidding.

00:27:32.620 It is kind of funny that we use that phrase, though, especially here in L.A., to refer to our political stance and who knows and who doesn't.

00:27:40.280 Because in the popular culture of America, it is much, much more dangerous to your career and to your reputation to come out as a conservative or as a Christian than it is to come out as any part of the alphabet soup, LGBTQ or anything else.

00:27:54.440 I mean, that is celebrated by the culture.

00:27:55.800 We have a whole month where we celebrate it now called Pride Month, but we don't celebrate the traditional liturgical calendar very much, do we?

00:28:01.720 So you've got to make that choice.

00:28:03.720 My life is great.

00:28:04.440 I love it.

00:28:04.840 I go to sleep with a smile on my face every single night.

00:28:08.200 Does it cost you some things if you do what you believe and you come out as a Christian or as a conservative?

00:28:15.600 It will cost you some things.

00:28:16.980 It's cost Drew millions of dollars, but I don't think he regrets it.

00:28:21.200 And so much as I've done any of that, I don't regret it either.

00:28:24.360 And certainly C.S. Lewis, I don't think regretted his public life.

00:28:28.740 Are you a fan of Silicon Valley?

00:28:30.260 You know, I've never seen it.

00:28:31.000 Oh my gosh, it's so good.

00:28:32.340 Ben and I think it's such a great show.

00:28:34.440 My husband and I watch it and Ben and I always laugh that there's an episode, and I won't give too much away by saying this, but there's a character who is openly gay.

00:28:42.420 And then one of the main characters outs him as a Christian and everybody in the boardroom is pissed off that he's a Christian.

00:28:48.620 And he's like, how could you tell them?

00:28:50.640 My career is going to be over.

00:28:52.340 Don't tell my father.

00:28:53.400 And it's this arc of an episode where it's so true.

00:28:56.780 It's like, I think that show's more conservative than people think it is.

00:28:59.500 I don't even think it's written to be conservative.

00:29:01.460 It's just nowadays the truth is conservative.

00:29:03.460 Reality is pretty conservative.

00:29:04.560 And comedy can be pretty conservative because behind every joke there's a hint of truth.

00:29:08.800 So watch.

00:29:09.760 I think you'd like the show.

00:29:10.380 I've got to check it out.

00:29:11.000 And that episode, I just hearken back to that, man, when we have conversations like this because it's so true.

00:29:17.140 Yeah.

00:29:17.560 All right.

00:29:18.320 Corey says, Michael, how do we get you, Ben, Andrew, or Matt to come to Denver?

00:29:22.340 I know it smells like weed here, but there are many conservatives that would love to see more conservative speakers come to Colorado.

00:29:27.620 I'm only going to go to Denver for the pot.

00:29:30.680 I mean, that's the big, I thought that's the big draw.

00:29:32.880 They have good beer and pizza, too.

00:29:33.360 Okay.

00:29:33.680 I like those things.

00:29:34.460 Yeah, that's true.

00:29:35.560 Unfortunately, I'm not going to be stopping in Denver.

00:29:37.180 I did just learn, though.

00:29:38.040 We announced my YAF college speaking tour.

00:29:39.940 You got some fancy schools on that lineup.

00:29:41.280 We got some great schools.

00:29:42.200 So I'm going back to my old stomping grounds at Yale, which is going to, they're probably going to tar and feather me, send me back on the metro north to the city.

00:29:48.420 And ask for your diploma back.

00:29:49.440 They're going to take my diploma back.

00:29:51.040 That's guaranteed.

00:29:51.880 I'm going to hide that before I go.

00:29:53.440 I'm going to GW in Washington.

00:29:56.000 They're trying to take away Washington as the mascot of George Washington University.

00:30:01.520 Are they going to change the name?

00:30:02.700 Yeah, I know.

00:30:03.360 They should.

00:30:04.000 Look, Yale changes all these names, too.

00:30:05.840 So, Elihu Yale was a slave trader.

00:30:08.540 You'd think they'd change that at some point.

00:30:09.860 Lord have mercy.

00:30:10.680 Going down to Florida, down to University of Florida.

00:30:12.860 Yes.

00:30:13.160 Going to Atlanta.

00:30:14.540 I'm going to Ohio.

00:30:15.920 I'm going to, I'll do USC in Southern California.

00:30:19.100 USC right here, yep.

00:30:19.700 And I'm going to Kentucky.

00:30:20.920 So we're going to be all around.

00:30:22.260 Unfortunately, not Denver.

00:30:23.400 But hey, put in a request through Young America's Foundation.

00:30:26.040 Maybe I'll get to go next semester.

00:30:27.160 That would be amazing.

00:30:28.020 And you get a whole tour this year.

00:30:30.240 It's so official.

00:30:30.960 It's going to be so fancy and fun.

00:30:32.240 Hopefully, I won't get squirted by like weird chemicals on my loafers again.

00:30:35.580 Bleach or anything.

00:30:36.220 Yeah.

00:30:37.120 Glitter on those loafers, right?

00:30:38.420 Yeah, you can still see it, actually.

00:30:40.540 Just a little hint of it.

00:30:41.700 Glitter is the herpes of the craft world.

00:30:43.900 Once you get it, it never goes away, guys.

00:30:45.940 I just found out my loafers have herpes.

00:30:47.620 That's upsetting.

00:30:48.800 Get a new pair.

00:30:49.360 Doesn't the God King pay you enough to buy a new pair?

00:30:50.780 Not a chance.

00:30:51.600 Are you kidding me?

00:30:52.500 I'll go to like the thrift store.

00:30:54.380 I can't believe that we're halfway through with this.

00:30:57.360 And I'm not halfway through my drink, so let's catch up.

00:30:59.540 Come on, get on it.

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00:31:47.620 Okie dokie.

00:31:48.480 Danny says, here's another question.

00:31:50.000 After the issue with the trans-waxing situation, might want to recap that story for people.

00:31:55.120 I certainly don't want to, but I will.

00:31:56.600 Real quick.

00:31:57.060 How long do you think it will evolve from wax, mom, I'm quoting here, so don't be mad,

00:32:02.360 quote, wax my balls, you bigot, to, quote, abort my fetus, you sexist?

00:32:09.500 Just got to take a moment on that.

00:32:11.340 Really well-crafted question, sir.

00:32:13.140 Really well done.

00:32:13.960 Thanks for making me read that.

00:32:14.880 The story there, of course, is that some, like, sick pedophile guy who's pretending

00:32:18.480 to be a woman walked into an immigrant's beauty salon in Canada and asked her to give

00:32:23.760 him a Brazilian wax, which is literally not possible.

00:32:27.420 It's not physically possible.

00:32:28.860 He could get something called a manzillion.

00:32:30.900 I'm sorry I did all this research.

00:32:32.660 This does exist.

00:32:33.560 The manzillion requires a different technique and different waxes than the Brazilian wax,

00:32:39.560 so he couldn't have gotten it even if they were willing to do it.

00:32:42.120 What it amounts to is this.

00:32:43.460 I'm sorry, I can't look at you while you're talking about it.

00:32:45.500 I know.

00:32:45.520 That's fine.

00:32:46.400 It's like we're in a confessional.

00:32:47.660 We'll just look separate places.

00:32:49.080 The guy, this guy goes in there and basically says to an immigrant woman.

00:32:53.120 Oh, it's disgusting.

00:32:54.000 He says, wax my genitals, you bigot.

00:32:56.500 And then he filed a complaint, tried to get her shut down, got him out of business, did

00:33:00.040 this to 15 or 16 other places.

00:33:02.000 That many places?

00:33:03.320 Oh, yeah.

00:33:03.720 All throughout Canada.

00:33:04.440 He's a psycho.

00:33:05.880 I mean, he's a, and also apparently a sexual predator.

00:33:08.120 Yeah.

00:33:08.280 So, your question is, how long before we go from wax my balls, you bigot, to use your

00:33:16.480 phrase, to abort my fetus, you sexist?

00:33:19.280 I think it's the opposite.

00:33:20.300 We're already there.

00:33:20.960 We're way past abort my fetus, you sexist.

00:33:23.240 I mean, first of all, we pretend right now that there's something called the Hyde Amendment

00:33:27.180 that protects taxpayer funding from going to abortion services.

00:33:30.940 That doesn't exist because money is fungible.

00:33:33.520 So, you can't just say, okay, Planned Parenthood, I'm going to give you half a billion dollars

00:33:36.880 a year.

00:33:37.040 And you must only use it for this.

00:33:38.600 Yeah.

00:33:38.820 You can only use this dollar on condoms, not on an abortion.

00:33:43.160 Or the mammograms that they don't do.

00:33:44.480 Or the mammograms that they pretend that they do, even though they don't.

00:33:47.480 But money is fungible.

00:33:48.540 You have money, right?

00:33:49.400 You have a pile of money that's tangible.

00:33:51.140 Then you put it into an ATM, and then you have money in your bank account, and then you

00:33:54.500 get out different money.

00:33:55.560 You don't get the same bills.

00:33:56.900 Money is fungible.

00:33:58.180 So, we are already paying for abortions.

00:34:00.740 And just this year, just in this presidential election, virtually every major Democratic

00:34:05.000 candidate has endorsed explicit taxpayer funding for abortion through the explicit repeal of

00:34:10.380 the Hyde Amendment, up to and including Joe Biden, the alleged old statesman, the alleged

00:34:14.780 moderate in the race.

00:34:15.980 Who's had to apologize for his support for the Hyde Amendment.

00:34:18.380 That's right.

00:34:18.780 He's just apologizing for everything.

00:34:20.160 I mean, as he should.

00:34:21.160 He's got a lot to apologize for.

00:34:22.960 He, you know, that's the culture we live in.

00:34:25.660 Ernest Hemingway describes going bankrupt as it happening gradually, then suddenly.

00:34:30.820 We had a gradual culture for a long time, and then it's just, it's suddenly become clear

00:34:34.720 that we are way further to the left than we thought we were.

00:34:37.900 I have a follow-up to that, because we're talking about some of the new polling that just

00:34:41.000 came out on the Democratic side with the field, the packed field over there that's running

00:34:45.180 for president against Donald Trump right now.

00:34:47.400 And Biden had been doing pretty well in the polls.

00:34:49.880 I credit that.

00:34:50.820 You and I have both been politicos.

00:34:52.240 We've run campaigns before.

00:34:53.980 I'm a geek when it comes to the breakdown of the numbers and the frequency of voters,

00:34:57.360 et cetera.

00:34:57.980 I do wonder, based on your answer just then, it kind of triggered a thought that Joe Biden

00:35:03.700 has dropped in the polls since he started apologizing for everything that he's done in the past.

00:35:08.060 But Elizabeth Warren is increasing, and she's got some pretty cuckoo leftist ideas.

00:35:12.340 So what does that say that the Democratic base really wants?

00:35:15.700 Well, the issue is that Liz Warren is relatively new on the scene, and she's always

00:35:19.800 been pretty far left.

00:35:20.980 So she doesn't have to pivot, because she's always been on the progressive wing of the

00:35:25.140 party, whereas Biden has at times presented himself as a moderate.

00:35:28.640 Now, if you're a moderate in 1970, that makes you very conservative by today's standards.

00:35:33.520 Still, I agree with your point.

00:35:35.200 I think don't apologize.

00:35:36.900 It's the Kevin Spacey lesson.

00:35:39.000 It is the lesson of this graceless era that we're living in, is that you're just not

00:35:43.940 allowed to apologize, because nobody wants to forgive you.

00:35:46.460 There's an old New York expression, which is, deny till you die.

00:35:50.080 I mean, that is, and frankly, President Trump is pretty good at this.

00:35:53.380 He'll say, I didn't think that.

00:35:54.660 Nah, I didn't.

00:35:55.440 I wasn't being serious when I said that.

00:35:57.000 Moving on, here we are.

00:35:57.780 I'm on tape when I said that.

00:35:58.360 No, I didn't.

00:35:58.860 That's right.

00:35:59.320 I didn't.

00:35:59.760 Forget about that.

00:36:00.500 And it's brilliant.

00:36:02.940 I mean, it's the only strategy that you can pursue right now, because our society is graceless.

00:36:08.660 And Biden didn't get it.

00:36:09.920 He went weak-kneed.

00:36:10.820 He thought that he could win by apologizing, by kowtowing to the leftist mob.

00:36:15.200 It never, ever works.

00:36:16.440 And now he's paying the price.

00:36:17.860 Jessica says, do you have any advice for an aspiring teacher?

00:36:21.140 Despite the desire to want to impact student lives, the education system is wildly messed

00:36:25.180 up.

00:36:25.640 Can a single teacher like me make a difference?

00:36:27.840 Absolutely.

00:36:28.640 I speak regularly to my kindergarten teacher, one of my favorite teachers I ever had.

00:36:33.680 I was five years old.

00:36:34.460 Me too.

00:36:34.860 And we still talk a lot.

00:36:36.140 It was my mom.

00:36:37.440 It was your mom.

00:36:38.140 That is true.

00:36:38.700 You talk to her like every day, basically.

00:36:40.100 It was homeschooled all 12 years.

00:36:41.260 Hashtag homeschool joke.

00:36:42.300 You know, I still talk to a lot of my teachers.

00:36:44.660 I mean, my kindergarten teacher, my first grade teacher I've talked to in recent, my third

00:36:50.020 grade teacher I've talked to in recent years, high school teachers I've still gone back

00:36:53.700 and seen who radically shaped my life, who were so charitable to me, who were so important

00:37:00.220 and influential.

00:37:01.740 Yeah, my teachers have been some of the most important people in my life.

00:37:05.500 So certainly you can have a huge impact.

00:37:08.800 And it's a difficult educational system now because, not even because of the teachers.

00:37:13.180 I don't even think the teachers are that left wing.

00:37:14.920 I think it's the unions, the leadership of the teacher unions.

00:37:17.740 I think it's the administrations very often, or they're just politicians, basically.

00:37:23.600 And then you get a lot of mandates from the county and from the state, and these days

00:37:27.080 even federal mandates, that you have to fight against.

00:37:29.460 And you've got to fight against it on the curriculum.

00:37:31.300 You've got to make sure you're teaching people real disciplines, real academic disciplines,

00:37:38.420 real scholarship, and not just political ideology that masquerades as scholarship.

00:37:42.940 But I strongly encourage teachers, especially teachers who, something tells me if you're

00:37:48.060 watching this show, you're not like the most left wing teacher in the world.

00:37:50.880 So I really encourage it.

00:37:53.200 You could have more of an impact certainly than most politicians and most people who go on TV.

00:37:59.300 I think that our education system would be much better off if actual teachers on the ground

00:38:03.900 constantly rotated whoever was in charge of the union.

00:38:06.700 Yeah, right.

00:38:07.860 Or there'd just not be a teacher's union.

00:38:08.540 Just obliterate it altogether, yeah.

00:38:10.040 Like, you know, like that Supreme Court decision that California Teachers Union tends to ignore?

00:38:14.880 It's insane, the rigmarole that they're making people go through to try to get out of the

00:38:19.700 union.

00:38:19.900 To get themselves out, yeah.

00:38:20.560 It's insane.

00:38:21.740 All right, Keith says, what is the honorable way to view leftists?

00:38:24.860 I have such a low opinion of socialists and leftists in general that it feels like contempt,

00:38:29.380 but I don't think I can change minds with such a low opinion of them.

00:38:32.780 Sure.

00:38:33.480 The problem is not that you're wrong about the leftists.

00:38:36.200 Your opinion of the leftists is almost certainly correct.

00:38:38.880 What I suspect the problem is that you're wrong about yourself, which is we're usually right

00:38:45.720 when we condemn other people because, you know, people are jerks.

00:38:50.740 But we tend to have a high-minded view of ourselves, so we judge other people on their actions.

00:38:54.860 We judge ourselves by our intentions.

00:38:57.120 We forgive and excuse ourselves when we make mistakes, when we're uncharitable, when we're

00:39:00.920 cruel.

00:39:01.400 And we only focus on that when we talk about other people.

00:39:05.440 So the way that you should view leftists or people you disagree with is with the recognition

00:39:10.920 that you didn't create your life.

00:39:13.160 You're not responsible for your life.

00:39:14.620 Life is a gift that was given to you.

00:39:16.080 It's going to be taken away from you.

00:39:17.520 And very almost certainly, you're not going to know when that is going to happen.

00:39:21.540 You are a broken person.

00:39:23.420 You have a fallen and imperfectible nature.

00:39:26.700 And we're all just trying to do our best, even people who are cruel, who have bad intentions.

00:39:31.780 They've got histories.

00:39:32.860 They've got stories.

00:39:33.600 They've got upbringings that probably would make you shudder.

00:39:36.480 I mean, this is the thing about prison.

00:39:38.260 I'm all for keeping the prisons filled.

00:39:40.200 I'm all for bringing back the death penalty.

00:39:42.080 I want real criminal justice.

00:39:43.600 I'm not soft on that.

00:39:44.540 And yet I have a great deal of sympathy for the people in prison because I've talked to ex-cons.

00:39:49.440 I've talked to people who've gone through that system.

00:39:51.940 And they all have horrific childhoods.

00:39:54.320 They all have horrific backgrounds.

00:39:55.560 Same thing with homeless people on the street.

00:39:57.760 Doesn't mean they're not dirty, rotten bums who are addicted to drugs and who are a drag on society.

00:40:02.160 Also, they've had horrible upbringings usually.

00:40:04.800 And you have benefited.

00:40:06.640 I mean, you have had certain privileges and you've had certain hardships that other people haven't had.

00:40:11.800 The way to begin is humility.

00:40:14.540 If you begin with humility, that is, I think St. Augustine said the four most important virtues are humility, humility, humility, and humility.

00:40:21.300 If you begin from that position, then you'll have a little bit of awe and wonder.

00:40:24.820 You'll kind of get a kick out of the world.

00:40:26.380 The left, instead of bothering you, which, you know, for some people, they're just so angry at the left all the time.

00:40:30.960 I'm not.

00:40:31.380 I'm usually entertained.

00:40:32.680 I'm usually getting a kick out of it.

00:40:34.160 It's a good laugh.

00:40:34.940 Yeah, it's a good laugh.

00:40:35.840 And it's an opportunity for you to help somebody out by helping them see the world a little more clearly.

00:40:40.000 It's an opportunity rather than a burden.

00:40:42.360 I would advise, and I think you and I have had to do this, given that we've spent our adult lives in liberal meccas.

00:40:48.460 I'm a little older than you.

00:40:49.360 That's true.

00:40:49.660 But I've only ever been in liberal places.

00:40:51.620 Other than my upbringing in southeastern Oklahoma, I've spent my entire adult life, which is far too long now.

00:40:57.480 I'm getting old, Michael.

00:40:58.680 In New York.

00:40:59.040 She's almost 25, Alicia.

00:41:00.560 In New York and L.A.

00:41:03.060 Same with you.

00:41:03.980 Well, and then add in Yale, which is also a liberal mecca.

00:41:06.240 Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

00:41:07.060 Sometimes just befriend people.

00:41:09.100 Yeah.

00:41:09.520 Like, and then find out their politics, or despite their politics, befriend them.

00:41:14.940 And then it will make it easier for you to not feel contempt towards them because of all the things that you just said.

00:41:19.700 Yeah.

00:41:19.840 It humanizes them in a little bit, and vice versa.

00:41:22.880 Then they won't have as much contempt towards you.

00:41:24.620 That is very true.

00:41:25.520 Just putting it out there.

00:41:26.820 It's called, like, fellowship and evangelism, kind of.

00:41:29.900 Where's the peace pipe?

00:41:30.880 I don't want to pass it.

00:41:31.580 Where's that Denver guy?

00:41:32.420 Oh, we are saying.

00:41:33.640 All right.

00:41:34.340 Chris says, hey, Michael and Alicia.

00:41:35.880 Hey to you, Chris.

00:41:36.740 I am getting ready for medical school interviews.

00:41:39.020 How should I answer the, quote, your opinion on the current state of health care, close quote, without outing myself as a conservative?

00:41:45.840 Sidebar, I didn't even know that's a potential question when you're trying to get into medical school.

00:41:49.320 Of course.

00:41:49.640 Why is that relevant to going to medical school?

00:41:52.680 What is your opinion on the current state of health care?

00:41:55.200 That's the question.

00:41:55.840 How should you answer that question?

00:41:58.160 Very carefully.

00:42:01.440 That's why.

00:42:02.320 One time I got to meet Justice Scalia twice before he died.

00:42:05.440 It was unbelievable.

00:42:06.320 Really the highlights of college.

00:42:08.320 And we would ask him a few questions, difficult questions.

00:42:11.960 How do you reconcile originalism with stare decisis, with looking at court precedent?

00:42:16.100 How do you reconcile this and that?

00:42:17.120 And the best answer he gave was, very carefully, even one of the great, brilliant minds of our country had that answer.

00:42:26.540 You've got to be careful about it.

00:42:28.000 You've got to be a little clever.

00:42:29.760 You know, you've got to, you know, you've got to, don't out yourself.

00:42:35.300 There's no, but don't lie.

00:42:37.180 So what's your opinion of the current state of health care?

00:42:39.260 There are many challenges.

00:42:40.640 It's broken.

00:42:41.960 Costs are too high.

00:42:43.320 There are, there would be ways to expand access to health care.

00:42:50.060 Innovation is wonderful.

00:42:51.660 We're the greatest driver of health care innovation in the world.

00:42:53.900 Obviously, we have the best health care system in the world.

00:42:58.520 That's a true answer.

00:43:00.680 A leftist hearing that wouldn't find anything objectionable about it.

00:43:04.720 Except the last one.

00:43:06.680 No, I think they would agree with that.

00:43:08.460 Really?

00:43:08.860 I think so.

00:43:09.460 It depends on how hardcore they were.

00:43:11.420 Maybe not.

00:43:12.160 Okay, maybe lay off that a little bit.

00:43:14.340 The real fear is if they get into asking you specific policy solutions.

00:43:19.220 And if they do that, find a lawyer buddy.

00:43:21.700 I mean, that is like serious viewpoint discrimination.

00:43:24.600 And even if it doesn't violate any particular law in whatever state you would be going to medical school in.

00:43:29.740 That is a big issue.

00:43:31.200 That is real corruption of higher education.

00:43:33.480 And you should make an issue of it.

00:43:35.080 Julian wants to know.

00:43:36.600 I don't know.

00:43:37.160 This might be Allie Beth Stuckey using a fake name as a Daily Wire subscriber named Julian.

00:43:42.980 Who wants to know, what are your biggest criticisms of Calvinism?

00:43:46.540 How much time do we have left in this?

00:43:48.120 Well, I say that because Allie is obviously an advocate for Calvinism.

00:43:51.660 She is.

00:43:51.920 She and I discussed this at length.

00:43:53.860 And this is something that she talked about on Ben's episode of the Sunday special that she was on,

00:43:57.680 which everyone should go check out as well.

00:43:59.760 Without going too far into it, and I'm no scholar of Calvinism, I'm a Catholic,

00:44:05.360 the big criticism of Calvinism is that it is a form of fatalism.

00:44:10.340 So it denies the will in many ways.

00:44:16.280 And it sort of surrenders humanity to a sort of mindless fatalism.

00:44:25.360 Now, the response to that would say, you darn Catholics are Pelagian heretics.

00:44:30.840 You have a work-based theology, which is not true.

00:44:33.320 And we could get into that at some point.

00:44:34.560 But if Calvinism is only focused on grace and denies the role of the will,

00:44:43.460 and then certain heresies, which were declared heresies 1,500 years ago,

00:44:47.100 like the Pelagian heresy, deny grace and only focus on the role of will,

00:44:52.520 what you need to have is true religion, which is the marriage of grace and will,

00:44:57.700 dancing as though they're doing a formal dance at a ball.

00:45:00.420 And you see this most clearly in the Annunciation.

00:45:03.360 So when the angel comes down to Mary and says,

00:45:05.380 Hail Mary, the Lord is with you.

00:45:07.400 You will conceive a child of the Holy Spirit.

00:45:10.620 And then all of heaven holds its breath because the angel waits and Mary says,

00:45:18.200 I am the Lord's servant, his will be done.

00:45:20.200 So that God comes all the way down the mountain.

00:45:22.200 All of grace is there in that scene.

00:45:24.840 And yet, so is Mary's will.

00:45:27.020 And Mary ascends to God's will.

00:45:28.380 And we may turn away from God's will.

00:45:30.840 We may turn away from our own salvation.

00:45:33.180 That is for us to do.

00:45:35.220 And this is denied by certain more modern Christian iterations, including Calvinism.

00:45:42.480 And so that would be, I think, probably the most glaring error.

00:45:45.860 All right.

00:45:46.320 Ezra says, would you be friends with someone who had an abortion?

00:45:50.040 I am friends with people who have had abortions, multiple abortions,

00:45:52.800 and multiple people who have had abortions.

00:45:54.520 Christians, and I'll even expand that to the whole pro-life community who tend to be conservative at least.

00:46:03.200 I think Christians, conservatives, pro-lifers, I think we are the most judgmental people,

00:46:08.440 except when we are the least judgmental people.

00:46:10.440 I had a guy, I barely knew him, you know, I mean, we were kind of pals in college, but we weren't close at all.

00:46:17.000 Hadn't spoken for years and years and years, not after really freshman or sophomore year.

00:46:21.240 He called me because he was going to prison for a horrific crime.

00:46:25.240 I won't even go into it here.

00:46:26.900 Like the worst crimes you can possibly imagine.

00:46:29.680 I said, why are you calling me?

00:46:32.120 This is a guy who would give me grief about my politics in college because I was such a judgmental conservative.

00:46:36.960 And I've thought about that.

00:46:38.440 I said, why is he calling me?

00:46:39.520 And I think it's because we are very judgmental.

00:46:42.960 We have judgments about the world.

00:46:44.500 We think about the world.

00:46:46.860 We think about morality.

00:46:49.160 We think about virtue.

00:46:50.120 We think about human action.

00:46:51.460 We spend a lot of time thinking about them.

00:46:53.740 So we do have judgments.

00:46:55.500 And yet, because we spend all that time, there also comes the wisdom of human brokenness, human frailty.

00:47:03.560 There but for the grace of God go I.

00:47:05.180 People I know have had abortions.

00:47:09.260 There but for the grace of God go I, either as the baby or as the mother.

00:47:13.380 Women I know who are racked with regret and grief because of what they did.

00:47:19.560 I have a friend in New York, unbelievable Christian guy, born again, goes to daily mass.

00:47:26.020 He's a born again Catholic.

00:47:27.060 Usually we say born again and it refers to evangelicals.

00:47:28.620 When you're my people, evangelical.

00:47:29.920 But he's a born again Catholic who goes to mass every day.

00:47:32.060 Wears an I love Jesus cap.

00:47:33.120 And this guy was involved in crime, serious crime, like kill people kind of crime.

00:47:40.320 And he pointed out to me, St. Paul was a murderer.

00:47:44.080 If St. Paul was a murderer, persecuted and killed Christians, and he becomes the apostle, such the apostle that he's just referred to as the apostle, then certainly there is redemption for women and mothers who have had abortions.

00:47:58.280 All right.

00:47:58.660 Heidi says, her boyfriend and her are currently reading Three to Get Married by Fulton Sheen.

00:48:03.960 Do you recommend any other books as marriage prep?

00:48:06.120 Yeah, I'm actually embarrassed to say I haven't read Three to Get Married, but I just love Fulton Sheen.

00:48:11.080 I mean, just go through his old TV shows.

00:48:13.520 Watch them on YouTube.

00:48:14.440 You'll go down a vortex, absolutely.

00:48:17.100 I didn't read any books for marriage prep.

00:48:19.020 I did marriage prep.

00:48:20.220 The Catholics have Pre-Cana, but there are other Protestant versions of that.

00:48:24.620 Yep.

00:48:24.760 I do recommend that.

00:48:26.820 I found that really helpful.

00:48:30.400 The conversations with my priest were really helpful.

00:48:33.160 Conversations with married people were really helpful.

00:48:36.120 I asked my grandfather, who my grandparents have been married something like 70 years.

00:48:41.220 Aw.

00:48:41.780 He was a captain in the Navy.

00:48:43.340 I asked him, what's the key?

00:48:44.380 I was on his 60th anniversary.

00:48:45.780 I said, what's the key to a happy marriage?

00:48:47.320 He said, shared experience, 54 months of pregnancy.

00:48:52.400 Patience.

00:48:52.800 54 months of pregnancy.

00:48:55.040 Yeah, 54 months of pregnancy.

00:48:56.960 And frequent absence, because he was deployed to Vietnam.

00:48:59.420 He was a Navy man, so he was out.

00:49:01.780 That helps a little bit, too.

00:49:03.500 I would recommend, though, doing it.

00:49:05.400 I would recommend doing the marriage prep, because marriage isn't a book.

00:49:10.960 You're acting it every day.

00:49:12.660 You're putting it into your body.

00:49:15.020 It's your life.

00:49:16.440 So read whatever good books people recommend to you.

00:49:19.440 But I would practice.

00:49:20.960 You know, it's much more a practice than an intellectual exercise.

00:49:24.760 And it seems as if you knew, you probably knew people that have been, like, in the newlywed stage.

00:49:28.560 My mom calls the first five years.

00:49:30.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:30.560 And then any therapist I've ever talked to say, like, the seven and the ten year itch are real.

00:49:35.160 Right.

00:49:35.680 Talk to people at that stage.

00:49:37.300 And then talk to people at the 20 year stage, because every stage of marriage is so different.

00:49:41.080 Right.

00:49:41.540 And differently relatable to people.

00:49:44.060 I can't remember what we read.

00:49:46.300 I'm coming up on ten years, and I can't remember it.

00:49:48.280 Do you have the itch?

00:49:49.220 No.

00:49:49.680 Okay, that's good.

00:49:50.700 I'm glad.

00:49:50.980 I don't know.

00:49:51.300 You just had a kid.

00:49:52.060 I just want to make sure you're...

00:49:53.000 Not in the Marilyn Monroe movie, either, by the way.

00:49:55.960 Yeah, right, right.

00:49:56.280 No, it refers to, like, therapists often refer to it as, like, you start to look at the other person

00:50:00.620 and all the things that you used to love, you know, hey?

00:50:02.520 Yeah.

00:50:02.700 That happens around seven and ten years, they say.

00:50:05.820 It's just interesting.

00:50:06.920 Yeah.

00:50:07.240 Anyway, good luck with that.

00:50:09.200 And, you know, like Michael said earlier, get married and have lots of babies.

00:50:12.340 Okay, Jerry says his company released a guide of correct language regarding gender in the realm of health care

00:50:17.940 with phrases like biological sex being banned.

00:50:21.260 I want to keep my job, but this is crazy.

00:50:23.780 Any advice?

00:50:24.880 Depends what your job is.

00:50:26.260 It depends how you have to use that language.

00:50:28.160 I mean, I would never use that language.

00:50:29.660 And now I work here, you know, I'm not working at Morgan Stanley or something

00:50:33.500 or someplace that would insist on that kind of ridiculous Orwellian language.

00:50:38.420 So it depends.

00:50:39.820 If they're saying around the water cooler you can't use the word sex,

00:50:43.820 you have to use the word gender, which is a term that refers to grammar, not to human people.

00:50:48.880 I mean, they're not supposed to refer to humans.

00:50:51.020 Then I would just avoid the topic at the water cooler.

00:50:53.600 If in official company missives you're not allowed to use the term sex,

00:50:57.980 you have to use the term gender,

00:50:59.660 for something that is going out publicly from the company,

00:51:02.380 it's their company.

00:51:03.200 They can put out whatever they want.

00:51:05.480 Now, if what they're saying is that in your interpersonal communication,

00:51:08.920 you're just kind of, your emails, your text messages,

00:51:12.700 the way you think, because that's what it ultimately comes down to,

00:51:15.400 is not just speech codes, but speech codes or thought codes.

00:51:18.900 If it comes down to that, I certainly wouldn't be able to tolerate that.

00:51:22.140 I mean, all I've got is my consciousness.

00:51:25.640 All I've got is what I think of the world, the faculties that are mine.

00:51:30.100 And if I were told that I'm not allowed to think what I think,

00:51:33.240 or have the opinions that I have, or even use my own speech,

00:51:37.140 which is the human ability, right?

00:51:40.520 That's what separates us from the animals.

00:51:42.160 Then I would maybe start looking on ZipRecruiter.com.

00:51:46.100 I'd start looking for a new place, because that is so oppressive.

00:51:50.120 I don't know how I could have a career at that sort of place.

00:51:53.480 And I don't know how HR would handle that.

00:51:57.340 Oh, I suspect I do know how HR would handle it.

00:52:00.380 The way HR should handle it is by protecting the liberties

00:52:04.080 and the rights of the employee.

00:52:06.040 But these days, I don't think that's how it works.

00:52:07.600 HR is always out for the company, folks.

00:52:09.100 Never the employee.

00:52:09.780 That's right.

00:52:10.420 I just saw that in a few situations in the news the last couple years.

00:52:14.360 There's a life lesson there.

00:52:15.920 Joel says, traditionalist Knowles, and welcome back, Elisha.

00:52:18.600 Thanks, Joel. It's good to be back.

00:52:20.260 Why do so many conservatives emphasize 2A and disregard 4A,

00:52:24.680 mostly with regards to encryption backdoors,

00:52:26.860 both Republicans and Democrats looking,

00:52:29.080 and warrantless cell phone searches?

00:52:30.600 We had this incident after San Bernardino terror attack,

00:52:34.600 where the FBI, I think, wanted to have backdoor access to the phones.

00:52:38.400 To the iPhone, yeah.

00:52:38.880 And Apple said, no, absolutely not.

00:52:40.820 We're not doing it.

00:52:41.600 And Apple made the right decision.

00:52:42.860 I mean, the minute that Apple says that they're actually going to open up the privacy

00:52:47.200 for people who want to snoop in from the government,

00:52:49.840 you have no consumer confidence in that product anymore.

00:52:52.580 So I think they made the right decision.

00:52:54.380 The Fourth Amendment is a little tricky, though,

00:52:56.200 because while it does protect certain rights to privacy,

00:53:01.380 it doesn't protect some sort of general privacy.

00:53:04.380 And what does general privacy even mean in an age where we put everything that we say and do

00:53:09.140 and think and every photo that we, you know, every moment of our lives

00:53:12.700 is put into the public on the Internet?

00:53:15.400 I think that's a little bit why.

00:53:17.760 The Second Amendment is very clear.

00:53:19.540 From the conservative coalition perspective,

00:53:22.460 don't forget, the conservative coalition is diverse.

00:53:24.700 It includes traditionalists, which probably I fall a little bit more in that camp.

00:53:28.500 It includes libertarians, at least last time I checked.

00:53:31.000 It includes the religious right.

00:53:32.500 It includes the neoconservatives.

00:53:33.940 It includes more populist types, all of whom have very different ideas from one another.

00:53:39.080 They all basically agree on the guns.

00:53:41.080 They all basically agree we have a right to protect ourselves.

00:53:44.380 We have a natural right to protect ourselves.

00:53:46.360 It comes from natural law.

00:53:47.820 And the libertarians wanted to just all come.

00:53:49.600 We have a traditionalist inherited right to guns.

00:53:51.880 So that one's pretty easy.

00:53:52.980 But what privacy means precisely is highly contested

00:53:57.920 among those different branches of the conservative movement.

00:54:00.900 And I think that's why where you might get someone like Rand Paul

00:54:03.900 or Mike Lee or generally the libertarians

00:54:06.420 to talk on and on and on and on about that Fourth Amendment,

00:54:11.060 the other parts of that coalition are just less interested in it.

00:54:16.500 Or wide-ranging in their opinion.

00:54:18.620 Right.

00:54:19.040 Like one of them is the search and seizure part of the Fourth Amendment

00:54:22.060 and how previously, even if you were under investigation,

00:54:25.060 they could come seize your assets.

00:54:27.020 Right.

00:54:27.880 And that is so disputed on the right.

00:54:30.060 I was very surprised by lots of lawyer friends of mine

00:54:32.200 when that decision came down.

00:54:34.260 Right.

00:54:34.920 However, I was like, oh, wow, I didn't expect that opinion of you.

00:54:37.960 Or the right to pornography.

00:54:39.700 You know, now, right, pornography is everywhere.

00:54:42.100 It is completely ubiquitous.

00:54:43.620 It is, with the advent of the Internet,

00:54:45.920 it went onto every computer

00:54:47.180 and then nobody's ever going to talk about it.

00:54:49.160 This is like the silent epidemic in America.

00:54:52.060 And virtually every libertarian I talk to says,

00:54:55.700 everyone has a right to view whatever pornography.

00:54:57.920 It's crazy to criminalize pornography.

00:55:00.240 And then most conservatives I talk to

00:55:01.980 or traditionalists, that ilk or religious right,

00:55:05.500 say absolutely there's no right to pornography.

00:55:07.720 Pornography is awful.

00:55:08.820 It harms the people who do it.

00:55:10.620 It's incredibly tempting.

00:55:12.380 I mean, it is like the great temptation.

00:55:14.620 So even people who oppose it will look at it.

00:55:17.600 Get rid of it.

00:55:18.300 Just ban it.

00:55:18.900 Totally get rid of it and block it.

00:55:20.640 And that's a legitimate disagreement on the right.

00:55:23.200 And it largely comes down to first principles.

00:55:26.320 And I don't know that you're going to reconcile

00:55:28.180 the traditionalists to the libertarians

00:55:29.840 on that issue or even some others.

00:55:32.740 Right, we're in the final countdown.

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00:55:47.420 I so loved Tumbly.

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00:55:52.420 that we made some poor intern run around in all night.

00:55:56.700 It is the perfect name.

00:55:57.820 If you were not at the Daily Wire Backstage,

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00:56:00.540 that thing must have cost like thousands of dollars.

00:56:02.520 It wasn't bad.

00:56:03.480 Okay, well that's good.

00:56:04.680 But I don't care if it cost $20,000.

00:56:06.540 It was worth it.

00:56:07.280 Giant inflatable Tumblr

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00:56:12.840 It was the highlight of the night as far as I'm concerned.

00:56:16.120 I think it's over on the Daily Wire Instagram page too.

00:56:17.620 You gotta go check it out.

00:56:18.300 People have to go check it out.

00:56:19.540 But then you also get to ask a question.

00:56:22.680 Yeah.

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00:56:24.280 This question comes from an amazing subscriber, Daryl,

00:56:26.720 who says,

00:56:27.180 Dear Sir Maddow,

00:56:28.620 from a Catholic perspective,

00:56:30.640 do you believe that there is a point of no return

00:56:32.860 wherein God decides that he has had enough of a person sinning

00:56:36.040 and ceases to extend his mercies?

00:56:38.340 Well, for some people I think mercy would be ending it all right now.

00:56:44.540 The sweet meteor of death might be a mercy to some people

00:56:46.800 in so much as if you die in a state of grace,

00:56:49.020 you get to go up to heaven, that's pretty good.

00:56:50.660 Whereas for some people,

00:56:52.120 a very, very long life doesn't seem merciful at all

00:56:54.840 for people who are frittering away their life

00:56:56.800 and end in sort of self-destruction.

00:56:59.900 Certainly in the Bible,

00:57:02.560 we see God losing his patience with certain cities.

00:57:06.060 But this also is in part a function of human will

00:57:10.260 because when God is preparing to destroy cities,

00:57:14.120 he'll say,

00:57:14.560 All right, if I can find 40 righteous people,

00:57:19.500 then I won't destroy it.

00:57:21.400 You can't find those 40, can you?

00:57:22.740 If I can find 20, right?

00:57:23.840 If I can find 10 righteous people,

00:57:25.460 but they can't because people get so rotten.

00:57:27.580 So I'm not too worried about the sweet meteor of death.

00:57:30.060 I have great love for providence.

00:57:34.180 I have great trust in God and great faith.

00:57:37.100 And Russell Kirk writes about this,

00:57:39.280 the guy who wrote The Conservative Mind.

00:57:42.020 And in his read of Edmund Burke,

00:57:44.240 he says that providence, the trust in God's plan,

00:57:49.000 the trust that this world makes sense,

00:57:52.000 is fundamental, essential to the conservative point of view.

00:57:56.200 And even if you think that you're an atheist

00:57:58.380 or an agnostic or something,

00:58:01.400 just the idea that this world makes sense,

00:58:03.800 there's a purpose,

00:58:05.940 it's not just random craziness that doesn't mean anything,

00:58:09.680 a tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

00:58:13.000 Just that belief is essential to conservatism.

00:58:17.420 And on the left right now, you see chaos,

00:58:19.920 this idea that there is no sense to the world.

00:58:21.920 It's not going toward anything.

00:58:23.040 I always see these articles, you know,

00:58:24.820 a meteor hurled past the earth.

00:58:27.020 Thank goodness it didn't hit us.

00:58:28.280 I say, I didn't think it was going to hit us.

00:58:30.680 You know, it doesn't seem like it's our time just yet.

00:58:35.240 That's a fundamental distinction.

00:58:36.700 I'm not worried about that meteor of death coming and crushing us.

00:58:40.420 We don't know the time or the hour.

00:58:42.280 We don't know when it's going to happen.

00:58:43.640 But when it does, I trust it'll be the right time.

00:58:45.720 And I'm sure we'll see some sweet meteor of death 2020 bumper stickers

00:58:48.900 like we did back in 2016.

00:58:50.140 Who ever came up with that is making some good money right now.

00:58:53.660 This is our final question on this episode of The Conversation.

00:58:55.860 This is our final question.

00:58:56.580 Final question.

00:58:57.140 I had barely any of my whiskey.

00:58:58.380 Chug, chug, chug.

00:58:59.300 That's what they say at Yale, right?

00:59:01.060 I don't know.

00:59:01.740 I'm a college dropout.

00:59:02.680 All right.

00:59:03.000 This question comes from Tyler who says,

00:59:04.960 I am a criminal justice and homeland security major.

00:59:07.500 My professors and my criminology continue to push Black Lives Matter movement.

00:59:11.540 And one is really pushing us to go to a BLM rally.

00:59:15.020 Do you have any advice?

00:59:16.220 Have you considered transferring schools?

00:59:20.400 Have you considered, I don't know, major in English and then go join the police academy

00:59:24.580 or something?

00:59:25.220 That's really awful.

00:59:26.940 Though it's part and parcel of a movement you see generally in academia,

00:59:30.320 which is a lot of departments hate the thing that they are studying.

00:59:35.600 So if you're studying criminal justice,

00:59:37.160 it appears that they're endorsing ideologies that disparage criminal justice,

00:59:43.060 that undercut criminal justice.

00:59:44.900 You see this with American Studies.

00:59:46.680 American Studies, ironically, hates America.

00:59:49.760 You see this with a lot of different departments.

00:59:52.440 So that's too bad.

00:59:53.780 I certainly wouldn't go to the rally.

00:59:55.440 But if you're going to get booted from the program or you're going to fail out of the program

00:59:59.500 by making a spectacle of yourself,

01:00:01.460 then you might want to keep your head down a little bit.

01:00:04.600 I wouldn't do anything to violate your integrity.

01:00:07.460 I wouldn't do anything that you don't believe.

01:00:09.860 But you don't always need to showboat to prove that you're hardcore,

01:00:14.460 that you really stand by your beliefs.

01:00:15.880 You've got to be clever, innocent as a dove, and wise as a serpent.

01:00:21.060 And if I guarantee you there are one or two professors at least in that department,

01:00:26.480 and probably more than that,

01:00:27.880 who think that what the political leftist activists are doing is awful,

01:00:31.560 I would seek out those professors because they're going to be important to your education.

01:00:35.260 All right.

01:00:35.760 That's it.

01:00:36.540 That's it.

01:00:36.920 We made it.

01:00:37.340 It's been a whole hour of this episode of The Conversation with Michael Knowles.

01:00:40.220 Thank you so much for joining us, everyone.

01:00:42.080 And be sure to subscribe for next month's episode of The Conversation over at thedailywire.com.

01:00:47.100 And that'll be featuring our very own Ben Shapiro.

01:00:50.220 It's great to be back.

01:00:51.060 I'm Elisha Krause.

01:00:51.980 I'm Michael Knowles.

01:00:52.760 You want the rest of my whiskey?

01:00:53.720 Sure.

01:00:54.040 We'll see you next time.

01:00:54.740 See you next time.

01:00:55.160 We'll see you next time.

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