The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1032

00:00:00.000 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the lotus eaters for the 29th of

00:00:13.520 october 2024 it's nearly halloween you know what that means it's nearly christmas which is terrible

00:00:19.560 terrible news for anyone who's got kids you've got to spend loads of money uh i don't like

00:00:24.500 halloween it's begging isn't it it's begging what halloween yeah oh no halloween's a lot more

00:00:30.460 social like it's nice taking the kids around and everyone gives them a sweet and they have to take

00:00:34.960 all the sweets off them so they're running around the sugar high you can give them free investment

00:00:38.520 advice if i think i think it's big i don't like it like guilt and bonds goodbye i don't also i'd like

00:00:45.380 to point out i don't get drunk at christmas i think it's i'm un-christmassy to get christmas it seems

00:00:50.300 in poor taste if you're with your family you don't need to get drunk surely unless you're you know

00:00:53.840 things are tough conversely if you're with your family maybe you do anyway i'm doing my josh and

00:00:58.380 dan and today we're going to be talking about uh how the labour party has decided to skip the

00:01:04.400 middleman and just physically punch the hell out of you they're not enough to content to make you

00:01:11.060 suffer in every other way they're just gonna slug you today i mean i'd actually prefer that if if

00:01:15.260 every once in a while instead of all the shit that they're doing if they just came around occasionally

00:01:19.340 and punched me in the face that i can i can take a punch better than i can take the financial

00:01:23.540 hit yeah quite quite a significant difference really the new budget is going to be hell

00:01:28.080 how the uh the sort of gen x culture consensus of the late 90s and early 2000s is just over

00:01:34.980 and i'm going to give a bit of retrospective for any of the uh zoomers in the audience who don't

00:01:39.420 remember and the millennials i suppose and um finally we're going to be talking what are we

00:01:44.220 talking about oh gaming oh that's right how triple a gaming is over again this is part of the

00:01:49.300 sort of cultural wave of the early 2000s that's petered out into uh woke nonsense the oldie days

00:01:55.620 are dying yeah yeah um but before we start remember guys uh this time next week we're going to be doing

00:02:01.260 our live election u.s election coverage where we're going to be going all night from the midnight of the

00:02:05.840 tuesday rolling into the wednesday uh straight the way through to about eight o'clock in the morning

00:02:11.220 british time to cover in all of the results as they uh come in uh with doubtless some strange

00:02:18.340 and unexpected delays burst mains you know things like that that never get addressed later on but

00:02:23.840 we're going to hopefully watch a trump landslide or we're going to be absolutely seething and coping

00:02:28.260 like the young turks were in 2016 and i don't know if we can say the guest list yet but you would

00:02:32.840 be very impressed if you knew who we had coming in anyway it's a good guess it's not trump though but

00:02:38.400 other than that yeah unfortunately it's not true i think you might have something else to do that

00:02:42.100 night i'll yeah i'll see if i can get a schedule but um right well without further ado let's uh let's

00:02:47.280 begin so obviously the labour party has had a very questionable time in office uh to say the least

00:02:54.240 and they've decided to cut out the middleman and rather than just financially uh messing with people

00:03:00.960 they've decided to get a bit more physical and by that i mean punching their voters in the face

00:03:06.240 just a quick thing a that that is probably technically true but i don't think it's policy

00:03:11.900 right i don't think it was in the manifesto we will punch you in the face i know it's just another

00:03:15.860 thing that the labour party have introduced that wasn't in their manifesto i can't believe it

00:03:21.100 and and just for the audience you're not talking figuratively they are literally as in what the

00:03:27.580 word literally used to mean punching you in the face now exactly right that is what is happening

00:03:33.500 as if you couldn't think of it getting any worse but anyway um towards the start of october keir

00:03:40.360 starmer was um polled as the least popular party leader in the commons meaning you know

00:03:45.660 pretty much all of parliament then and that's quite amusing because that's happened very quickly

00:03:51.040 and in fact um there is data on that as well um keir starmer suffers biggest fall in popularity

00:03:57.140 for new pm and i think that that's ever as far as i'm aware sorry it says that he's gone

00:04:02.260 from plus 11 to minus 38 so a 50 point swing basically which is massive isn't it that's

00:04:08.420 colossal it's unheard and while he's in what's technically known to as the uh the honeymoon period

00:04:13.700 exactly yeah he's in what 110 days in or something like that's the honeymoon period this wedding is

00:04:18.700 not going to last is it but um it's also worth mentioning as well that they're just about to

00:04:24.160 introduce that they're raising taxes they're introducing their new budget very soon and so what

00:04:29.440 they want is everything to go nice and smooth because of course that's not going to help keir

00:04:34.760 starmer's already flailing popularity and so they want everyone on their best behavior they want

00:04:41.540 everyone um being sensible saying sensible things keir starmer even said that you need that labor

00:04:47.020 mps need to talk about immigration or they'll lose their seat in their next election they need

00:04:51.020 what they want everyone to believe that the adults are back in the room

00:04:53.640 the adults are back in charge daddy has come home drunk but of course

00:05:00.420 they are ruining the economy but i tell you um what is not ruining the economy is the load seat

00:05:07.400 is merch store because you can get wonderful things like this t-shirt which is a little bit creased

00:05:13.380 because it's been in my bag um because i brought it back from home um but this is my personal copy

00:05:18.340 and i like it a lot and i will be wearing it outside of work i was wondering our merch store

00:05:23.520 is now 37 of the british economy that's true yeah this is the only export we've got left

00:05:28.540 you want to save britain you've got to buy our merch that's what i've heard

00:05:31.800 but um also worth mentioning um i do wear t-shirts outside of work i don't go to bed in the suit as it has

00:05:38.980 been alleged um but we also sell mugs as well if you like tea that's another british export of course

00:05:43.880 um so coffee mugs tea if you order them now they will be there in time for you to watch the election

00:05:50.480 stream so you can be sitting there with your trump art of the grill cup drinking tea sensibly

00:05:55.840 laughing at the democrats getting crushed with us and i think after the election that that stuff is

00:06:00.840 going to be taken down as well as the islander stuff as well it's going to be there temporarily

00:06:04.800 until the next edition i imagine but anyway let's get on to the big news shall we and

00:06:10.820 shall i read the headline before i play the video i think i probably should moment labor mp mike

00:06:16.540 amesbury i think it's pronounced uh sucker punch constituent and then beat him six times when he

00:06:21.960 lay on the ground caught on shocking cctv footage but the the reason that he did this is most interesting

00:06:27.920 i'll be getting sorry you worry no spoilers um if you don't want to see a person get punched um

00:06:35.600 perhaps look away for a little bit and then i'll tell you and it's safe to have a look i suppose

00:06:40.060 although it's not very graphic to be honest i'm sure you'll be fine but here it is

00:06:45.720 as you can see they're just standing there talking the guy's got his hands in his pockets

00:06:50.720 both of them have their hands in their pockets

00:06:52.920 continues just hitting him in the face while he's down

00:07:04.520 perfect metaphor of what labor's doing to the entire country and just before the punch the guy

00:07:09.660 the guy was as you said he was stood there with his hands in his pockets and he was actually looking

00:07:13.000 away at the at the precise moment the punch land yeah that is he wasn't up in his face he wasn't like

00:07:19.380 yelling at him he was obviously just look i just really don't think that destroying the country is

00:07:23.860 wise and the guy's like right that's it there's obviously no physical provocation there you know

00:07:29.160 i've worked in enough bars over the years i know it's hard to believe where you see this sort of

00:07:33.560 stuff all of the time and you see the moment where his face he's not like being leery he's just there

00:07:39.800 with his hands in his pockets just which to my mind it seems a little bit uncalled for to say a

00:07:45.160 little bit just just a little bit uh i mean i'm all for people um settling their differences like men

00:07:53.100 in a legal setting um however that it's not the world we live in at the minute and certainly not the

00:07:57.720 world that the labor party wants us to live in that's certainly not what was happening there

00:08:01.700 no certainly not so i'm not being a wuss about it i do think that this is this does seem uh

00:08:08.160 potentially to be assault i'm i'm against sucker punching people yes i feel like there's you've got

00:08:14.100 to have a fight haven't you yeah i hadn't actually seen the video but that is shocking that is there's

00:08:19.400 no way that you couldn't come up with a story as to how that was justified no well they're gonna try

00:08:26.560 what he said was that he was threatening him and he was provoked into hitting him in the face

00:08:32.540 by by standing in and looking like they were having a normal conversation but this guy's

00:08:37.060 been an mp since 2017 and um just in case you couldn't count it he punched him a total of six

00:08:44.260 times while he was on the ground so that's i think seven punches in total labor mp engages with the

00:08:49.060 working class um funny thing is um this is in cheshire so this is not too far from harry's home

00:08:57.080 turf right that's that's uh shame we don't have harry here it's just like is this normal up up where

00:09:02.120 you're from labor mp's beating people in the street is this normal it might be it but apparently he said

00:09:07.040 don't threaten me ever again um after he punched him so that's oh yeah yeah presumably what might have

00:09:13.900 stop threatening me yeah yeah yeah so um it's the labor equivalent of i can't breathe

00:09:20.300 apparently he handed himself into police after the incident as well um and he claimed he did it

00:09:26.920 because he felt threatened for some reason and this was also going on it's worth mentioning at 2 15 a.m

00:09:34.040 on a saturday morning so he'd gone out on a friday night yeah he'd been drinking all night

00:09:40.360 and this is in cheshire which is of course his constituency as well so he's out one of his

00:09:46.520 voters i imagine he's probably not one of his voters if it came to that but certainly not anymore

00:09:53.440 here is the man who was punched this is uh paul fellows who is 42 i don't know why he's pulling

00:10:00.260 that face um presumably because he's got a really sore cheek now i don't know i don't think this was

00:10:05.620 taken afterwards i'm sure it was um and here are some of the reactions so keir starmer of course says

00:10:13.560 he was shocked and that the footage was shocking and um it's worth mentioning as well that keir

00:10:21.020 starmer being the judge of character that he is um actually appointed this man shadow minister for

00:10:25.980 housing and planning in april of 2020 so a bit embarrassing for keir starmer that he actually

00:10:31.620 appointed him a shadow cabinet role uh and the funny thing is that he stood down from this

00:10:36.800 position because he said he couldn't um give the role the energy it demands and he wanted to do more

00:10:42.680 to help his constituents i'm i'm sorry uh i feel like he's doing it a little bit wrong yeah i'm just

00:10:50.080 drawn to the footwork because because actually the footwork tells you most about your sort of

00:10:54.240 intentions in a fight the guy who's facing him he's square-footed he's in a very casual posture

00:10:59.620 whereas the mp i mean he he's kind of dropping into some sort of t-stance there i mean that is

00:11:04.380 i mean there's everything about this nothing says that there's any aggression or anything from that

00:11:10.560 guy yeah no posture there's nothing whereas he's he's 100 from that mp and um it's also worth

00:11:18.320 mentioning as well that this guy this mp amesbury is a graduate from the university of bradford and he

00:11:24.320 has a degree in community studies and in his defense i don't think they covered the part

00:11:28.960 um where you shouldn't beat your constituents you know it might you know not be on the syllabus in

00:11:35.620 how to help your community but there we go but but they use there's lots of things that government

00:11:39.540 didn't used to do but they now just do so maybe this is just the new normal we just have to get

00:11:44.620 bring that phrase back i don't want that new normal is your mp rather than refuting you just

00:11:50.400 punches you in the face i mean in a way it's more honest isn't it channeling the spirit of john

00:11:55.000 prescott i'd kind of prefer if instead of all the stuff they're doing to you all the time they just

00:11:59.720 they just every so often came along and punched you in the face yeah if rather than once a month i

00:12:04.100 got taxed once a month i get punched by the tax man oh i would take yes every time every time yeah

00:12:10.080 not even close even if there's six punches but okay yeah it's a bad afternoon but like that's one

00:12:14.580 afternoon yeah you know it's it's only a few days of healing up the bruises it's fine so um

00:12:21.320 obviously they suspended him because i say that no no it's not obvious it's not immediately obvious

00:12:28.300 i'm surprised they didn't say oh the man was far right yeah yeah yeah well yeah they didn't call

00:12:35.520 him far right that's true yeah well when when you find out what his concerns were perhaps uh

00:12:40.620 you you might think differently so supposedly um the concerns were that the argument started over

00:12:49.540 a local bridge closure and uh if you're a local that is the sutton weaver swing bridge whatever that

00:12:55.400 is um sounds a bit strange to me but there were plans to close the nearby bridge for about 33 days

00:13:01.620 between january and march for engineering works which seems like a strange thing to punch someone about

00:13:06.580 um and funny enough amesbury had previously said that this was unacceptable this amount of closure

00:13:12.640 and um from what i gathered he seemed to say that this is something that's out of his control

00:13:17.440 and supposedly this guy was pretty consistent well i had also read that he was complaining about the

00:13:23.280 uh wind fuel allowance that's true yeah that's another thing that's been alleged on top of it but

00:13:27.480 the main thing that started it all off was the bridge closure which is a very parochial concern

00:13:32.740 for a fight really isn't it but then being moving on to why are you freezing my granny

00:13:37.120 yeah maybe that gets you what why are you continuing the war in ukraine why are you you know funding this

00:13:44.140 i mean i'm just thinking if if complaining about a bridge closer gets you punched in the face six

00:13:50.180 times on the floor i mean what they're going to do to us yeah when we complain about the budget

00:13:54.540 yeah blimey yeah if we come in bruised it was keir starmer that did it all right

00:14:00.660 pass it on the local swindon mps paid us a visit black eyes

00:14:05.320 so um it's also worth mentioning as well um keir starmer you know doesn't want anyone in his party

00:14:15.020 looking for a better punch than him because i just want to remind everyone he outsources the violence

00:14:19.240 he does yeah because

00:14:20.840 okay i've revised my opinion instead of getting punched by my local mp because i don't actually

00:14:30.660 know who that is anymore i want to be punched by keir starmer yeah because you probably wouldn't

00:14:35.060 notice no you'd be like you'd turn around and you'd still be punching you wouldn't even know would

00:14:40.420 you that's how my nine-year-old son's doing boxing he punches way hard my nine-year-old daughter

00:14:44.920 can punch hard over there no doubt and obviously um as well people have urged him to resign this is

00:14:52.180 a bit more obvious than even the suspension because of course he's not going to do it though

00:14:55.600 yeah i'd be quite surprised actually he's been suspended but will he resign i don't actually know

00:15:01.620 because he's been the mp constituent it's not that bad hang on why has he only been suspended i mean do

00:15:07.220 you remember he wasn't that long ago where some guy went up to oh that that weird fellow that we had

00:15:13.900 over covid chris witty yeah oh gave him a hug yeah yeah and put his arm around him and he went

00:15:19.000 straight to jail i mean he was in jail within the week so i mean i guarantee that any of us went up

00:15:25.880 to an mp on the street and complained about something and then punched them six times on the floor we

00:15:31.020 would be straight to jail and it would probably almost certainly so and rightly so but why you know

00:15:36.100 what are the charges well when's he going to be well the funny thing is there's not necessarily

00:15:41.720 been much out yet obviously it's a developing situation so maybe the police are taking their

00:15:46.440 time who knows but they didn't do the the guy who put his arm around chris witty there wasn't like

00:15:50.100 okay well we don't know all the context we need to investigate no it was straight to jail so why isn't

00:15:55.760 this straight to jail it's obviously because he's in power and we are not yes no absolutely i suppose

00:16:01.520 they could have pulled the covid thing of you're close to chris witty and therefore you're

00:16:05.440 endangering him no because i think it was afterwards yeah it was afterwards it's all sort of merged

00:16:10.120 into one now but um it's also worth mentioning that um recently he was talking about stricter

00:16:18.560 sentences yeah for you not for him this is and criminals we call it a two-tier system for a

00:16:24.820 reason labor and peace get to beat the hell out of you but if you give chris witty a bloody arm lock

00:16:30.340 or whatever headlock that's it you're straight to jail and it's it's literally from the home office

00:16:35.360 this whole two-tier thing is getting so obvious now it couldn't be more obvious could it he might

00:16:41.740 even get invited back into the party for all we know if he weathers the storm it could happen

00:16:45.900 they just wait for the story to run out of steam and then they run to suspend him that's what will

00:16:49.880 happen i mean a suspension is by definition temporary yeah and something it's in the name yeah

00:16:56.120 something incredibly unlikely happened um kay burley actually said something funny that i actually

00:17:03.040 thought was good um so they had the labor secretary of state for health we're streeting

00:17:08.020 um on sky news talking to kay burley and here is what was said it made me laugh out loud which has

00:17:16.960 never happened hard-working affable um a decent parliamentarian stands up for his constituents

00:17:23.260 um you know he knocks them down sometimes that doesn't

00:17:26.660 i mean fair enough also whoever at sky news thought they contrast wes streeting alongside the footage of

00:17:37.320 him yeah beating up the constituent while he's saying he's hard-working and stands up for his

00:17:42.680 constituents while he's pummeling him in the face he stands up over his constituents so that he can

00:17:47.460 then kick them in the back and step on the face and um this is also of course encouraged lots of people

00:17:55.580 to make fun of him in other ways as well um this one i don't know who this person is i remember this film

00:18:02.880 so for those who are old and listening it's the airplane scene where the pilot just

00:18:12.540 starts attacking the uh passengers

00:18:14.200 and uh the the final thing i wanted to end on is not this is not the first incidence of uh a member

00:18:23.660 of the labor party um being involved in dodgy dealings with violence i suppose this one this guy

00:18:29.980 wasn't actually violent of course this was um oh yes uh what's his name ricky jones there we go

00:18:36.040 uh threatening to cut the throats of um far-right rioters yeah which he again if if this was the

00:18:44.160 other way around i mean in fact it was but didn't some conservative the wife of a conservative

00:18:48.640 counselor she say something like care if they burn down oh burn down the hotels for all i care

00:18:53.740 and she got nearly three years in jail yeah straight to jail three years he's still not been charged

00:18:59.220 i'm not sure um i don't think so but i'm getting the impression that he probably will be charged

00:19:05.820 because he's sort of small fries and he's a counselor right dragging it out for some reason

00:19:10.660 well what happened to those muslim lads in the airport who broke the nose of a female

00:19:14.640 well the police officers have had consequences but those muslim men uh have not been charged

00:19:21.940 because they they uh were lawyered up basically they had a bunch of muslim interest groups raise money

00:19:27.520 to give them lawyers and so our police have it doesn't stop them from charging them yeah

00:19:32.940 i know it's weird isn't it yeah i mean what about the the rwandan kid who stabbed those eight kids

00:19:39.220 his his um trial has been pushed back now it was meant to be this month but it had to basically wait

00:19:46.640 until it's not a not a story anymore well what they're doing is they're kicking the can down the

00:19:51.400 road with all of these bad stories aren't they it seems like because they're waiting for

00:19:54.820 keir starmer's approval to rise a little bit so um that they can weather the hit a bit better but

00:20:00.140 at the minute it's already so low that they probably are um assuming that they've got to bide

00:20:05.520 their time more or less but but i mean all they need to do is take him to trial they don't need to

00:20:11.240 make him a labour mp or maybe they will because you know that's kind of where they're going with

00:20:15.660 this so you you beat a police officer welcome aboard to the labour party well i was talking about

00:20:19.920 machete guy oh right yeah he's he basically qualifies at this point but yes that is the

00:20:25.120 story of how a labour mp beat up one of his constituents mental uh skittenhund says it's

00:20:31.820 6 a.m here and it's my birthday well happy birthday happy birthday thank you for joining us uh say or

00:20:36.320 went to the trump rally and said it was a bit diverse for a nazi rally that's true i saw a really

00:20:41.600 really funny edit of that hit her in the bunker scene from is it downfall that's right yeah yeah where

00:20:47.660 some of the the guy's just like uh my fuhrer we've got a projecting device from the future

00:20:53.140 and he puts this mobile phone down and plays trump's rally and there's all these israeli flags

00:20:57.400 and hit the sun because shoot myself it's not not very nazi actually uh matt says uh off topic but

00:21:04.680 i may have committed carl along with temple and jeremy hambley uh and the quartering uh to uh play

00:21:10.200 magic the gathering with jd vance i posted that yeah i just think vance isn't gonna man up i don't

00:21:15.300 think he's got it in him i think he knows that we're gonna crush him and he won't have he won't

00:21:18.740 accept our offer again uh just saying um um last russian says uh having watched a lot of body

00:21:23.940 camera cctv crime channels the random sucker punch is normally a very diverse attack method curious to

00:21:29.380 see it here well i mean he's very progressive very forward thinking very very left wing it's a

00:21:34.860 multicultural fighting technique more than anything on apple side is his longtime looker just

00:21:39.980 want to say i love you guys been watching cars since 2014 uh you've been one of the most positive

00:21:43.940 male role models in my life oh that's great husband and i just started trying for baby two

00:21:47.860 well congratulations uh peter says one americanism we need is the concept of pressing charges allowing

00:21:54.240 citizens to press charges on someone and requiring the police to enforce it and glee says if you want

00:21:59.340 to know what the next five years looks like imagine an out of shape labor politician hitting you with

00:22:04.220 the devastating kia combo yeah that's that that's that's the next five years just us getting

00:22:08.740 literally and metaphorically punched in the face by the labor party yeah i am really quite worried

00:22:14.660 about this budget oh it's terrifying yeah i'll do a brokonomic special on it when it happens but

00:22:19.240 it could be i mean there's just very little reason if you've got any assets to want to stay in the

00:22:26.100 country anymore well it's good for people of my age because we've got nothing to lose hooray

00:22:30.760 yeah but also you won't have anything because you won't be allowed to acquire anything i really don't

00:22:35.040 i don't care anymore i've given up that's clear so you know what's interesting is that particular

00:22:41.120 sort of despondency of the uh the young generations of today uh contrasted with when we were young

00:22:47.500 because when we were young this was a very optimistic country this the future was bright

00:22:53.020 it was all looking like it was all on the up and this kind of young generation x domination which

00:23:00.360 was sort of like you know the younger boomers and the old generation x's were sort of like the

00:23:04.540 the cultural figures and political figures in many ways and this time has passed right this this is

00:23:11.760 this the 2000s consensus is definitely over at this point because the country that made it possible

00:23:17.720 no longer exists the environment that existed that was the sort of um you know the the fertile loom

00:23:26.880 from which this could grow this has decayed the world has just got so tangibly worse that looking

00:23:32.880 back on that time becomes quite nostalgic it's like oh look when we didn't hate ourselves hate

00:23:39.320 the country and we thought we had a future can you remember those times lads yeah i'm pretty sure back

00:23:43.980 then if you had asked me what my expectations of the next 10 years would i would have said oh things

00:23:48.080 are going to get better things and i'm pretty sure everybody would have answered that way whereas

00:23:51.640 these days if you ask people if things getting better or worse everybody's going to say it's getting

00:23:54.940 worse well the the polling's in actually there was a poll done where something like 75 percent of

00:23:58.720 people like oh yeah this country's going down what are the other 25 percent doing uh well 10 or 15

00:24:04.640 were saying i don't know and something like 7 said i think it's getting better there must be all right

00:24:11.140 for them yeah you know i've no idea but um but anyway so i thought we'd we'd take a look back through

00:24:18.220 the sort of late 90s early 2000s consensus because it's just very interesting it was a very strange

00:24:23.580 time right so as you can see here you have uh something that was known as sort of like the new

00:24:28.300 man right this was as they say in wikipedia widely discussed in the mass media of the united kingdom

00:24:32.980 in the late 1980s and 90s so this is a heterosexual man with a concern for style and personal grooming and

00:24:40.740 broadly pro-feminist attitudes boo yeah exactly boo right and so you have um

00:24:47.540 what we could we could just broadly call us the blairite man right this is the the tony blair

00:24:54.060 and so he was uh he looked quite good he dressed quite well and he was very modern he was very

00:25:00.860 modern progressive but he didn't wear a tie he often he did not wear a tie which i think is a very

00:25:06.100 very uh bad thing but this uh oh hey look i'm wearing my ties now i may still else wear a tie the

00:25:12.480 other day i was like no we're not we're bucking the blairite trend soon have you soon as you've

00:25:16.940 realized you can tie shame people yeah i know it's great i'm well on it i mean look how nice my

00:25:21.400 tie is today it's a lovely tie uh anyway so this is exemplified in lots of media but one i think

00:25:27.920 best exemplified in love actually uh for anyone who doesn't know it's a 2003 christmas romantic comedy

00:25:33.440 and this really does capture the essence of the time right so it's very much a british production

00:25:42.000 there are like minorities in it in the background but as you see all the main characters are

00:25:47.020 quintessentially british well there's 10 faces on that cover and they're all white they're all english

00:25:51.800 and it's impossible to imagine that would happen to the day absolutely and so it it was at the time

00:25:57.700 they were we are progressives but we're unselfconscious progressives the culture has not yet been

00:26:02.260 polluted with politics and so and this was the whole sort of cool britannia brit pop thing where

00:26:07.680 british people just yeah no we're pretty good actually and we're quite happy and we've got a

00:26:12.140 positive future we work really hard and we're all really nice and we're all very progressive we're

00:26:16.040 all new men aren't we you know and everything's everything's really good now conversely on the

00:26:21.780 other side of that you had a sort of cynical side which was the younger gen x types and this was

00:26:28.040 mostly uh summarized in the theme that i think is well represented in men behaving badly now do you

00:26:36.900 remember men behaving badly yeah would you like to give josh a quick description oh it's these like

00:26:42.460 two guys who share a flat together and they're just like classic you know older gen x's who you know

00:26:49.400 aren't conforming with a new man stereotype and you know they're not getting feminized the way they

00:26:55.300 should it's politically incorrect but because there is no room in the upper echelons of society for the

00:27:01.800 new for people who aren't the new men uh these guys are essentially misogynistic drunks right they're

00:27:07.880 kind of like 2000s lads right that's uh not too difficult to imagine yeah and and this was

00:27:13.760 incredibly popular but did i didn't know just how popular this was until i started producing this

00:27:19.400 segment right the last episode of men behaving badly was watched by about 14 million people live

00:27:24.840 that's unbelievably i mean this was back in the days where we just had

00:27:28.940 what for we maybe we just channel five might have been created yeah we maybe just got our fifth

00:27:34.160 channel so there was no internet so that basically you watched what was on so if it was on at nine

00:27:38.300 o'clock you watched it but it was still really popular yeah because it was actually quite funny to be

00:27:43.860 honest but the the general tone is look at these sort of essentially losers right and a lot of 90s

00:27:51.140 masculinity was not being happy with the current corporate status quo because the new man fit very

00:27:57.160 easily into the corporate hegemony and a lot of actual popular media was against that i mean think

00:28:03.020 like red dwarf and lister lister's a classic example he's a slob he's lazy he's a drug but he's the last

00:28:08.880 man on earth now or in the universe so the entire story revolves around him actually actualizing into a

00:28:15.260 respectable hero which actually lister becomes i know it's hard to believe fight club 1999 fight club

00:28:21.160 the matrix all of this is oh hang on a second there's a spiritual emptiness about being a cubicle

00:28:27.000 monkey for the rest of my life oh this is not good i don't want to become the new man who's just kind

00:28:31.580 of servile and whipped into place by the women around him and things like that and so men even badly

00:28:36.760 exemplifies that sort of thing and you also have the phenomenon of the lads mac which by the late

00:28:41.900 2000s like 2010s had basically all just died off um and so this window of culture has passed so

00:28:49.840 i just quickly had i got a brokonomics on lads mags oh yeah you should go and watch oh yeah

00:28:53.920 absolutely i didn't even know you'd done one um but uh but and again very interesting i mean the

00:28:59.600 the internet definitely killed them off but it was also a cultural shift like the the kind of men who

00:29:04.160 would buy these were growing older and actually starting to form families and settling down it was

00:29:08.580 unusual for people of my age to buy these sorts of magazines it was completely normal when we were

00:29:13.640 young yeah well again we didn't have the internet so yeah if you look at one of those magazines

00:29:18.800 it's a bit like the internet it's a bit like tiktok it's got low i mean every page has got like

00:29:23.140 maybe 12 to 6 to 12 different stories on it it's little bite-sized things yeah it's the sort of

00:29:28.900 thing you'd pick up you'd leave on your dashboard if you're doing it if you're you know going around

00:29:32.660 doing jobs or something you just pick up read a couple of pages put it down again it was that

00:29:35.980 and they'd have like you know interesting stories they'd have attractive women in bikinis in them

00:29:39.720 you know and it was it was literally just a lad's man it was just stuff men liked yes but it wasn't

00:29:44.520 politically correct it was one of those sort of holdouts where it's like no we're not going to be

00:29:48.000 the new men uh but this was slowly but surely ground out and so as you move further through

00:29:54.040 the 2000s and into the sort of late early late 2000s you get things like peep show which are deeply

00:30:01.360 cynical and deeply um critical of the not just the new man phenomenon but the underclass of the sort

00:30:13.460 men behaving badly types under it so you've got the the dysfunction of them those people underneath

00:30:19.400 who are a symptom of the dysfunction of the the upper culture the sort of blair eye culture and

00:30:24.820 then the men behaving badly culture and then you've got the sort of peep show culture and this arc of

00:30:30.040 british culture accumulates in the in-betweeners which was from 2008 to 2010 of just young men they're

00:30:36.900 meant to be teenagers obviously they're not teenagers in the show but they're meant to represent

00:30:39.620 teenagers who are just completely at odds with the solidified corporate blairite new man culture

00:30:46.920 that has taken over they're they're weird losers who are just normal teenagers from like 1990

00:30:52.840 shifted to 2008 so so i think i get where you're where you're going with this arc now because with

00:30:58.220 the men behaving badly they were in the boomer system but it didn't fit right yes you know it was

00:31:05.300 like an ill-fitting suit and then you kind of carry this on and then men are just they're just being

00:31:10.400 rejected from the system yeah if you're not one of these sort of tony blair new men yeah you do not

00:31:16.280 fit you don't have a place anymore and you're a loser who just gets drunk and tries to get laid and

00:31:20.940 just watches football and you've got nothing when this came out everyone of my age watched this

00:31:26.460 yeah everyone would get references to it i mean i watched it when it came out because it was funny

00:31:32.600 and it spoke to what i was like when i was a teenager because you mix you know you do stupid

00:31:37.560 lad stuff well that in itself is a point remember when shows were on tv that actually made you laugh

00:31:43.480 yeah these days they just lecture you yeah and of course people will remember the sort of general

00:31:49.000 uh class consciousness that there was in the brit pop story so for example out of blur and oasis josh

00:31:56.700 which one did the man in the pub listen to oasis of course you know which blur were a bit lame which

00:32:03.680 ones were the new men yeah of course it was blur of course it's blur right so you've got again it's

00:32:08.520 it's very much reflected in the culture that this this new culture this over culture took over became

00:32:14.100 the corporately acceptable culture which everyone was living in hence the fight clubs and the the

00:32:18.160 matrixes and yet the underculture still went on and has essentially arrived at a point where it's

00:32:25.100 actually kind of dying right it's kind of dead and we can see this in the way that the pub has been

00:32:31.040 treated so you may remember in 2007 the labor party were like yep no more smoking inside pubs thank you

00:32:36.780 very much which really did a huge amount of damage to them and this course this this continues on to

00:32:42.500 keir starman now a classic new man uh going no we're gonna stop you smoking outside the pubs although

00:32:48.380 apparently they may have pushed back on that who knows the government has refused to comment whether

00:32:53.280 they're actually going to enforce that but they want to enforce that because that's the men behaving

00:32:57.600 badly that's the nigel farage types sitting outside the pub being pissed not being progressive feminist

00:33:05.240 new men how dare you and so what we can see is sort of the fun culture has gone right because the the

00:33:11.840 men behaving badly types were the reaction to the very serious boring frumpy new men who weren't allowed

00:33:20.340 to let loose who weren't allowed to have a bit of fun who weren't allowed to be authentically what

00:33:23.560 they were and this is gone right this is gone when the the the frivolousness of society has just gone

00:33:31.160 right so that culture is no longer possible it's completely poisoned by politics right um as you can

00:33:36.300 see the the pubs are the pubs are shutting the clubs are shutting now the bottom of town in swindon is a

00:33:41.620 great example because every time you walk to lunch you go uh down what is called the bottom of town

00:33:46.780 and you've got buildings on either side of you right 10 years ago they were all nightclubs all of

00:33:52.000 them just don't i don't even know swindon has any nightclubs anymore obviously i'm too old to go to

00:33:56.620 a nightclub i think they do some in old town yeah exactly some in old town but that's where the english

00:34:01.980 people are you know the the demographics of the center of town the bottom of town are no longer english

00:34:07.260 people so they don't go to clubs um but this um this is just continual we're losing i mean in the past

00:34:13.780 four years we lost 37 of the clubs you might say well that's about covid it's like no this was all

00:34:18.840 on the decline prior to that it's just that covid killed off a bunch of them but they were all going

00:34:23.320 down context of zoom is if you're in your 40s or 50s it was perfectly normal in your 20s just to go out

00:34:28.840 uh and you might go to a venue or you might cross venues you know you go up and down to different

00:34:34.000 all around the bottom of town just yeah and even i did that um quite a lot actually at university

00:34:40.320 funnily enough oh good so well it hasn't died out completely but how old are you now you're like

00:34:45.020 mid-20s or something aren't you so i wish uh no i'm gonna be 30 next year oh right jesus i know

00:34:50.600 didn't even realize but anyway the point being this is a culture that's dying off right it's the the new

00:34:55.880 men have not allowed this to continue and they've done everything they can to whittle it down

00:35:00.120 culturally morally actually legally practically and it's a different scene that we live in because i mean

00:35:07.920 if you think about when we used to do this when we were younger damn right so you'd have money in

00:35:12.580 your pocket at the end of the week or the end of the month in fact the end of every week you'd have

00:35:16.280 money in your pocket and you'd have lots of friends who agreed they're oh yeah you know we've been

00:35:19.780 working hard all week we've all got some money let's go out drinking and let's try and pull some

00:35:23.440 birds yeah good idea and so you'd be like okay well then i'll go to the nightclubs i'll go to the

00:35:30.460 bottom of town where well what is it well it's the english people from the local area coming to get

00:35:35.680 drunk have fun and then go home everything's completely and it wasn't just the lads because

00:35:40.200 i mean i always remember the gender balance being 50 50 oh 100 women women because it was safe yes

00:35:46.140 is it safe now do would you want to wander around swindon drunk at 2 a.m on a saturday night i don't

00:35:51.640 want to walk around it at all i don't want to walk around it midday you know but the the point is it's

00:35:56.500 not a safe environment anymore well i mean i mean i i won't get too specific on this but not too far

00:36:01.760 from the office there was just a random stabbing at the end of last week i didn't even know about

00:36:05.600 that but the point is yeah exactly and that was in the middle of the day probably wasn't it that was

00:36:09.700 at 5 30 there we go so the point is you can't the the the situation no longer obtains and again let's

00:36:16.440 move on to the economics of it so oh sorry no let's finish actually on the deep politicization of it so

00:36:22.560 you can see this is an article from 2019 where a woman who doubtless watched love actually when she was

00:36:28.040 in her early 20s in university and loved it uh has been like well there's a lot to hate in love

00:36:32.760 actually but actually it's the ultimate christmas fantasy you can feel there's a nostalgia in there

00:36:36.680 right and she says quote love actually killed the rom-com it's a powerful excoriation of white male

00:36:42.780 hegemony and the terrible things men do as a result and its central moral lesson is the lesser woman talks

00:36:49.320 the more lovable she is and it's set in a nightmarish ukip ethno state what a bloody assessment of

00:36:57.160 love actually of the progressive new men of the early 2000s also describing the early 2000s as an

00:37:03.620 ethno state as if you know that's accurate at all it was just that it's crazy so she can't even view

00:37:11.000 the past outside of a different paradigm sure but the but the point is that's before the major the bulk

00:37:16.620 of mass immigration had arrived before progressive ideology had perverted people thinking yeah no

00:37:21.460 well i'm not allowed to have british people and british tv and things like that where british were just

00:37:25.720 being unabashedly and unashamedly themselves well i bet this woman is miserable i bet she's

00:37:31.440 absolutely miserable all the time but if she if she was born 30 years earlier and she married a

00:37:37.340 traditional man who was like every time she started up with this nonsense was like no cut that out

00:37:42.160 she would be considerably happier than she is now but this is a good example an emblematic example of the

00:37:48.400 pollution of the previous culture by politics they were like oh we're going to be progressive feminist

00:37:53.960 new men and this is what it this is the consequence that you get from that so anyway let's move on to

00:37:58.860 the economics because um this was the general trend of gdp growth and inflation and as you can see come

00:38:06.080 the end of the 90s inflation was lower than growth and therefore everyone thought oh i have some money

00:38:10.700 things were not economically terrible but it's very clear that sustained growth just is not coming back

00:38:17.540 right the this is from the london school of economics um this is fairly recently they published

00:38:23.400 this wasn't they 2011 not that recently but by the by the end of well by the end of the early 2000s

00:38:29.420 by the end of the 2000s uh they will realize that this is this is not a paradigm that's going to

00:38:35.000 continue because of course they were like oh we'll just allow immigration we'll allow lots of government

00:38:40.060 spending massive state debt to be taken on surely this can only be good well no because we fast

00:38:46.480 forward to now we've got 0.9 forecast for the next year and it's like but we took so many foreigners

00:38:53.460 in the frustrating thing is as well that um that level of growth wouldn't necessarily matter if we

00:38:59.300 had a good quality of life and the fact that there are so many people here you know the resources are

00:39:03.840 spread so thin yeah and also if we had a lower inflation rate that would also help uh so obviously

00:39:10.080 inflation as you can see here is far higher i mean 3.5 and really if you want to work at a true growth

00:39:18.360 rate you want to take the um growth rate minus the inflation rate yeah so so we're normally in

00:39:24.480 negative i saw a really interesting number the other day that i was i was thinking of incorporating

00:39:28.540 into one of my forthcoming brokonomics it was over the last 25 years the public sector has had

00:39:34.080 zero productivity growth right and you think about what you've had in the you know come out in the

00:39:39.040 last 25 years the internet you know the phone and and all of these all of the technological advances

00:39:44.340 in the 25 years it has not made the public sector any more productive how is that even possible it

00:39:50.020 should be leanish i think i think it's the oversight the cultural oversight right so if you look at the

00:39:54.560 men behaving badly uh and was a kind of pressure valve of a kind of cultural

00:40:04.640 oppression i don't want to say the word oppression doesn't feel right but like

00:40:08.160 there's a kind of no we're new men now we're going to stop all of this stuff and so you've got the sort

00:40:12.480 of excess being pushed out in men being badly say they sort of set an agenda or a blueprint or something

00:40:18.720 like that but it becomes something of a cultural straitjacket it means the first instance i can think of

00:40:24.160 where somebody was saying even it was softly then that men's behavior is bad and wrong sure and the

00:40:29.920 entire framing yeah but this was yeah men's authentic behavior but is other in in you know in other times

00:40:36.080 and places it's constructive and um exuberant and things come out of it but now it's just being wasted

00:40:41.920 on booze and you know clubbing and football right so that nothing productive is constructed out of it

00:40:49.280 and we've got this this agenda setting this kind of straitjacket well it comes from the state it came

00:40:56.560 from the sort of blairite paradigm and so you you end up with this continual hemming in and so why why

00:41:05.120 we're not getting any growth well there's no ethos of growth there's no ethos of success in the country

00:41:11.120 that was actually considered to be all anti-feminist it was a bit politically incorrect

00:41:15.120 so things are not great and we see this reflected in kia starmer with the budget oh yeah just a quick

00:41:21.520 thing yeah oh yeah the the growth the growth the growth but we took so many immigrants how is the

00:41:29.040 growth so bad well because it doesn't correlate obviously so that that perennial lie that was

00:41:35.920 part of the reason that tony blair brought in so many immigrants was just not true i think we can put

00:41:40.880 that to bed so anyway so arrive now at kia starmer at the very tail end of this paradigm saying well

00:41:49.360 look we have to quote embrace the harsh light of fiscal reality ahead of the budgets okay well there

00:41:56.000 we go the paradigm was wrong yeah it was wrong to do this the ethos was wrong the way it was

00:42:01.600 implemented was wrong and the consequences we're getting are the last new man kia starmer the very

00:42:08.240 progressive and don't don't in any way think that he is not a very progressive man i'll get to it in

00:42:14.640 a second but this harsh fiscal reality is just what's going to happen and so the normal thought

00:42:21.440 would be right the state is too big it is consuming too many resources of society we ought to reduce the

00:42:27.840 size of state spending well apart from freezing your granny which is quite a thin thing these can do

00:42:33.840 no he's going to raise our taxes and this is to avert austerity ideologically committed to massive

00:42:40.000 state spending because of this is the new man the new managerial paradigm that everything is trying

00:42:45.280 to this is the first headline i've seen that even hints that cutting spending is an option everything

00:42:50.720 else i've seen has basically said well look you know where are we going to get the tax money from

00:42:54.800 it doesn't even occur to them to cut spending and and all of this started going wrong under tony blair's

00:42:59.440 and the the the period that you and i have been talking about was at the beginning of the tony

00:43:03.760 blair era it all started to go wrong because of blair because he set us on this wrong path

00:43:08.480 and then well i mean obviously the tories were just a continuation morally economically i'd argue that

00:43:14.000 it goes back further i'd say it goes back to thatcher because she was the one that outsourced a

00:43:19.360 lot of our industry and and sort of set the stage and of course she was pretty happy that blair took

00:43:25.360 over the labor party and carried on her legacy in some ways yes but in other ways no because

00:43:30.720 thatcher at least had a very hands-off view a libertarian view of how culture and the state

00:43:36.240 should be managed she was like she want a small state she want a big culture you know i'm not in

00:43:40.880 control of what you do i assume but tony blair is very much the opposite the whole ethos of the new man

00:43:46.240 it's no we're gonna have the the sort of thatcherite view on economics but we're also gonna have

00:43:51.840 a massive overbearing state and culture that will control it all right so we're going to get the

00:43:56.240 worst of all worlds basically um and so as you say this is the only time and the only the only way

00:44:02.400 they bring up austerity as if that's bad as it's bad to be austere is to say no we're not doing that

00:44:09.520 we're just going to take more money we're going to squeeze you more because that's going to cause

00:44:12.640 growth and so we're going to pour endless money in state spending because of course i mean oh the nhs

00:44:16.880 is already demanding extra money well then there isn't any like it's ridiculous all these uh

00:44:22.160 commonwealth countries being like can we talk about reparations like if you want but we haven't got

00:44:26.400 any money so i don't know what you're asking for like we are bankrupt we are absolutely bankrupt we

00:44:31.200 have no money but remember when rachel reeve stands up she'll be making history young women and girls

00:44:38.880 will notice that she's the first female chancellor to present a budget which girls are going to be

00:44:44.880 caring about whether the the chancellor is a female or not i i've those ones who are desperate to

00:44:50.880 present a budget that's going to bankrupt the country i mean it's all in kia starmer a girl

00:44:55.920 no no no no he's saying like oh women and girls will look and say ah i could present a budget that

00:45:00.800 will ruin the country so why would you want that like this is the worst possible example of how a

00:45:05.040 woman can achieve in any realm because it's going to be a really painful thing which is like now holding

00:45:10.160 up myra hindley as an example exactly yeah exactly and it's just like well okay terrible but you can see the

00:45:15.840 new man yeah the faux family you see the new man's pouring out no it's gonna be the first one i'm a

00:45:20.400 feminist i'm the corporate feminist who does all the corporate things and i'm so proud that a woman's

00:45:25.840 ruining this country so i'm just sick of anyone ruining the country frankly yeah but there we are

00:45:31.280 so the economy's failed we have no money we have no future prospects and the political class is

00:45:35.440 completely committed to this blairite paradigm and we've got nowhere to go it seems right so as you can

00:45:44.800 see this is back in 1997 when blair won he's actually wearing a tie in this but again you can

00:45:50.480 see just look at the demographics of the labour party activists yeah there's there's you know one

00:45:54.560 or two minorities there but it's mostly white british and they're fairly young they're quite young

00:45:59.760 they're you know i mean they're they're all they have early receding hairlines even the women

00:46:06.240 but they're quite young and they are confident they're energetic no this is going to be the way of

00:46:10.800 the future feminism the new man is going to win and tony blair completely embodied this

00:46:16.960 and you see this even being called back to do you remember the boris johnson love actually parody

00:46:24.320 in was it 2019 was this yeah yeah bloody one was i just hate the sight of this man now but yeah but

00:46:30.720 this classic scene from love actually and this was good campaigning this played on the nostalgia that

00:46:38.800 this generation boris's generation this older generation x's and the very young boomers

00:46:43.840 had for the early 2000s late 90s consensus where they had inherited a productive happy wholesome

00:46:50.560 homogeneous community a country that was actually okay it wasn't great you know we'd had

00:46:56.000 problems in the early 90s blah blah it wasn't great but it was optimistic and it was pretty good

00:47:00.480 and this is what boris is appealing to now it's like no i'm a new man as well that's what he's saying

00:47:05.280 i'm a new man and i'm with i'm with the consensus we can make this great again basically and sunak is

00:47:13.120 exactly that this is the end of the new man soon getting rained on he is the blairite new man failing

00:47:22.240 like this is symbolic of how the the new man project has led to this and again him getting rained on

00:47:30.320 to call the election can't have been a coincidence and you see the popularity of this even now with

00:47:36.560 the rest is politics this is the rest is politics not selling out but filling a stadium so rory stewart

00:47:46.800 and alastair campbell can whine about the tories for two hours i can't imagine anything more painful

00:47:53.680 to have to sit through and yet it's still a large cultural influence in british politics i can't see

00:48:00.080 the people in the seats but is it like a clockwork orange where they're strapped down and they have

00:48:03.600 their eyes oh no jammed open these these are people who when they were young voted for tony blair

00:48:10.800 alastair campbell was in his bloody cabinet i know yeah and rory stewart has just always been

00:48:16.160 one of those kind of wet kinds he that these are the new men politicians the new men politics so it

00:48:22.320 still persists and pertains in our culture and in fact it is still the ruling paradigm again even

00:48:27.840 even it's ruining people absolutely really it's ruining starmer as you say you know 50 point swing

00:48:33.520 down because the new men politics it's over it doesn't work but what do we have instead well we

00:48:39.520 have the men behaving badly that's all we have as the alternative and that's not working either

00:48:45.360 because fundamentally nigel france just wanted to be himself he doesn't really want to overthrow the

00:48:50.560 paradigm and he kind of fits in it as the sort of underside of the new man politics the men behaving

00:48:56.320 bad badly politics it's not going anywhere so the point being this consensus that was brought in the

00:49:02.880 new men versus the men behaving badly this dichotomy has failed completely neither one of us can neither

00:49:09.040 one of them can succeed they've had 30 years of having it exactly the way they wanted it and it has

00:49:13.920 failed exactly and we've got no one else on the horizon to present an alternative because there's just

00:49:20.160 no optimism this consensus has failed there's no future on the horizon and none of them seem to

00:49:27.280 even understand that it's really good there that was nice and cheery well sorry but i think it was good

00:49:33.840 and accurate it was that's why it's so depressing do you have any of this comment things we do we do um

00:49:41.760 but i think it's important to be able to like properly as a conceptual tool to understand what we're

00:49:46.480 looking at because the blur out new men and the farages they are born from the same system and

00:49:54.240 um paradigm they're born like farage is a symptom of the failure of the new man system

00:50:00.880 that took a country but he doesn't hold the secret to winning so um

00:50:09.360 anyway uh davy says uh tireless dan and his smooth chest get that man a tie and a stake yeah you do need

00:50:14.720 a tie dan i definitely i definitely need a stake oh that's fair as well yeah see someone not wearing

00:50:19.600 a tie what are you a feminist that's a great question yeah dan what are you you're a new man

00:50:26.320 are you dan i wore a tie on an episode a couple of weeks ago and it was the first time i'd wore a tie

00:50:31.280 in about 15 years don't let them shame you no we've got to break the new man paradigm the new men

00:50:36.640 don't wear the ties they wear their shirts no i just i just do what i want to do no i know but yeah

00:50:42.080 but what you want to do is condition by the fact that you grew up in the early 2000s under the

00:50:46.640 reign of the new i started out on this podcast wearing t-shirts and people bitched and moaned

00:50:50.640 so it's like fine because they recognize americanism right we've got to abandon the slack

00:50:56.960 nature of things we've got to return restore see josh knows he's wearing a lovely tie i need to get a

00:51:02.400 gold tie i need a gold tie if i'm going to do it i'm going to go i'm going to go to a tailor and get

00:51:06.080 a full tweed set up or something i've got a tweed suit and what they don't tell you when you get it all

00:51:11.680 fitted is how incredibly itchy it can get oh you've got to get it lined yeah you've got to get it lined

00:51:16.480 with nice fabric otherwise it's it's horrendous but that makes it a lot hotter as well there's a

00:51:21.760 sort of uh right it's more of a winter suit sorry based ape says i love how dan has resisted the

00:51:28.240 verdict in tie shaming with lashing uh lashings in favor of the chad chest out burt reynolds

00:51:33.280 bearskin rug effect good man hey well no we're not having it and that's a random name uh who knows who

00:51:39.200 knows but let's uh let's move on i save my uh my my chest for lads hour you know the chest hair out

00:51:46.400 well i thought i'd cheer us up a bit because i mean everything we talked about so far is been about

00:51:50.880 how the decline is happening the decline is irreversible i mean that's been the the theme

00:51:57.360 of the first of the two segments pretty strongly um and myself and it's also about that however

00:52:03.440 the reason it's more it's not just here here here and here it's also here the reason the reason my

00:52:09.840 segment is more optimistic is because this is this is one of those arcs which is kind of a bit

00:52:14.720 further ahead and you can see the renewal happening in it so i i was going to talk about

00:52:20.080 how triple a gaming is it's just obviously dead clearly over and the god the the indie games they're

00:52:28.240 pushing through like roots between the concrete and it's it's it's happening it's you know we don't

00:52:32.960 need to dispute i know you've been quite good on this haven't you um uh josh because you just say

00:52:37.120 one i think was ubisoft falling apart or was it yeah i covered lots of stuff i've done a few segments

00:52:41.680 just keeping up with it because i think it's one of those industries that it's a sort of canary in

00:52:46.720 the coal mine for the future as you've identified in that actually there's a lot of resistance to

00:52:53.120 wokeness and i think that actually it's showing that voting with your wallet in many ways is more

00:52:57.760 effective than voting at the ballot box for enacting cultural change at the very least because we can

00:53:04.640 see that lots and lots of small games are now succeeding far beyond um some of their sort of

00:53:10.320 triple a um publisher games i mean presumably it was i i i don't really know what it's about but

00:53:17.040 were you talking about that concord game oh yes so it was like a sony game they i think they lost

00:53:22.720 about 400 million so they put it out um it was seen as like this flagship thing this this

00:53:28.560 competitive shooter or i don't know what it was going to be perennially woke it was yeah you can

00:53:33.520 you could play as uh an overweight black woman with dyed hair so right could you also not play as that

00:53:40.800 i don't know but right well i mean look at look at the characters you've got there right so

00:53:45.280 the idea of being a straight white man is just off the table right that's the point of it

00:53:49.280 this sony sunk all of this money into it they they made it their sort of flagship thing and then no

00:53:54.160 one bought it to the point that they refunded everyone and took it offline that is an epic

00:53:59.440 thing unprecedented yes level of failure there the uh the the maximum concurrent players was apparently

00:54:04.880 249 mm-hmm it's 240 i'm pretty sure that um squirrel with a gun which is a gimmick game basically

00:54:12.720 where it's a squirrel with a gun i mean you know what you're getting that had about three or four

00:54:17.520 times the concurrent players yeah well yeah let's let's go back to let's go back to the beginning

00:54:21.600 of this database thing samson because um yeah so so samson was telling me about this which you can get

00:54:28.080 go back to the sort of the ranking thing at the beginning um but yeah so this is a database of

00:54:33.840 what's going on on steam and how games are performing and just looking at that list the top game is

00:54:39.120 counter-strike what's that 2012 or something yeah but that's that's because it's free and the russians love

00:54:45.760 it as well yeah yeah count strike 2012 but having a million players just 1.2 million players just

00:54:51.840 playing that just yeah it's just valve obviously the the battlegrounds thing i think that that might

00:54:58.240 qualify as an a a triple a game but again that's eight years old i think that's less infected with

00:55:04.800 work seven years old um dota that's a kind well kind of indie um that's 2013 yeah that's an older one

00:55:11.760 now banana is interesting so uh i i thought what the hell is that because it's beating out things

00:55:17.600 of like call of duty that they that they spend billions on uh over the over the course of the

00:55:22.160 series the game banana is literally i mean i'll call i don't think i better show it on the screen but

00:55:27.440 it is literally you clicking on a banana i don't think you're going to believe me um well i'm looking

00:55:35.520 at the screenshot oh there we go and it's yeah so so look i've got i've got there's there's my steam

00:55:39.600 look yeah you click on the banana interesting watching yeah oh right you just click on it to

00:55:44.080 count the clicks on the banana yes okay that that is the game and that is 400 000 people playing that

00:55:49.920 yeah and that's beating out call of duty that could be useful um for something like

00:55:55.680 psychological research so that could be labs and things using that because

00:55:59.760 crypto okay right so samson the oracle of gaming has taught us yeah i know all right okay um yeah

00:56:13.760 call of duty i mean that used to be a big thing yeah when a new call of duty came out and i think

00:56:18.160 they made a billion on one of their one of their games or something so this was this was a massive

00:56:22.960 business the call of duty has obviously not been very woke because the well they've got like women

00:56:30.480 and they've they have the lgbt flags and i mean historically okay it's not been very very much a

00:56:37.440 male focused uh type of games it's just people shooting each other um but yeah i mean obviously

00:56:43.520 everything is being infected with the new man isms as things go on they just failed to innovate really

00:56:48.640 they tried to rehash the same formula too many times people got bored of it yeah when i started

00:56:53.920 plugging in a whole bunch of the indie games i'm into and most of them are kind of comparable

00:56:59.040 with call of duty sometimes they're a bit lower um interesting that's a very four game yeah but but

00:57:05.440 for the amount of budget it was spent on it i mean it's just i'm pulling up my steam now dead

00:57:11.680 proper dead i mean loads of these games are way more than five years old i've been playing um

00:57:17.200 manalords again which was made by one guy for most of its life yeah yeah i mean i i what have i been

00:57:24.320 into lately planet crafter and satisfactory both of them from very small teams yeah i've been playing

00:57:29.600 banalord a lot but which one banalord which is a small isn't that manalords was that no no it's a

00:57:35.040 different thing it's right it's similar to context though to be fair i have been playing total war

00:57:40.000 pharaoh dynasties that's yeah that's a triple a studio are you the only person creative assembly no it's

00:57:45.760 really good but the player base is very small it's small but it's a good game elden ring samson

00:57:50.800 sticking star wars outlaw and video oh that did terribly didn't it so that's that's a ubisoft game

00:57:56.800 that's that's the guys you were picking on here we go so that was another huge title

00:58:04.000 um and apparently this had ubisoft's biggest ever budgeting um marketing budget spend no no no go

00:58:10.880 go i didn't even hear about this it's a massive financial loss where's the stats oh charts you need

00:58:15.440 to click on charts you're on metadata at the moment it's under the blue bar

00:58:22.560 should give us the player base

00:58:29.760 stop changing it because it reset all right okay well i don't i don't know what's going on with

00:58:34.640 that i think oh if you play players right now 366 it's not very many so the all-time peak was

00:58:42.720 160 oh that's on twitch yeah but this is the thing like the little indie games i play beat that yeah

00:58:48.720 and they cost an absolute fraction of this amount of money because just nobody is just interested in

00:58:54.080 this is it's just done in fact that's do you are you familiar with star wars outlaw no i never even

00:58:59.120 heard of this right so it's it's it's a big budget um i think it's ubisoft game um but it doesn't have

00:59:06.160 any jedis in it it basically just has a boss girl who has a pet who punches people in the face why are

00:59:13.280 we making star wars games without lightsabers yes or or even sith yeah it's it's just a boss

00:59:19.680 bitch oh good who punches things so hard that apparently because the these what looks nice oh it

00:59:28.800 looks good because they spent yeah hundreds of millions on it so it will look good but these

00:59:33.520 stormtroopers they're supposed to be cloned like special forces hard lads wearing body armor and this

00:59:40.480 chick just just punches in fact i've got it with her bare hands as well yeah i've got a clip from my

00:59:45.280 favorite um game reviewing channel which i think is the next one so let's just play you know this

00:59:50.720 this game reviewer covering i love this guy oh he's brilliant isn't he i want to get him on

00:59:54.560 it's simple you just run up to them and press the attack face button and then you have the tulips

01:00:00.000 the tulips guys where you can just hide in the tulips and whistle and then the guards come to the

01:00:05.920 tulips and you just punch them in the face and then the next guard comes after you whistle and punch

01:00:11.280 them in the face it's all about punching in the face it's it's so boring every mission that i did just

01:00:17.680 punch them in the face just run around i punch them in the face there's no force jumps there's no

01:00:23.280 chalking jedi mind tricks lightsabers or any of the funds just punch them in the face that's all

01:00:31.520 on the face fit that is just absolutely it's a it's an 18 year old girl yeah she probably weighs

01:00:37.520 like i don't know 60 kilos 50 kilos something like that and she's just taking down these stormtroopers

01:00:43.040 in armor by punching them in the face but also it just seems like it's a quick time event

01:00:47.680 right what's the actual gameplay here you press button for animation exactly yeah

01:00:52.240 yeah yeah so it doesn't even doesn't even look fun like i mean i you know i could forgive all of

01:00:58.240 that if the gameplay was great yeah i can forgive all of that i don't care i mean even um ea did a

01:01:04.400 pretty good star wars game in battlefront 2 i know it had some controversies when it launched because it

01:01:09.280 was basically pay to win but um it became a really good game and it was authentic they had the music they

01:01:15.520 recreated the things from the films and they tried to make it somewhat um grounded they tried to make

01:01:23.760 it basically like a battlefield game because it's made by the same team that that made the battlefield

01:01:28.320 games and so it felt like a familiar first person shooter but you also have jedi in and it made it

01:01:34.320 really fun it was it was a good game well i think i think there's been a feminization of gaming and it's

01:01:40.800 just got to the point where it's completely unviable now i think a lot of that started the

01:01:43.920 justification for a lot of it is that technically women are over 50 of gamers and they have been for

01:01:50.240 about 10 years now but that can't be right no it is right no no hang on now technically yes but

01:01:58.080 practically no so it's so they are over 50 games but that's when you include mobile games so if you

01:02:04.080 include things like candy crushing stuff so basically men were something like 93 of gamers until the

01:02:09.600 smartphone came out and then all of a sudden it went to like 55 percent women because of these

01:02:14.480 things i avoid gamer yeah people who say oh i play games oh you what do you play oh i play them on my

01:02:22.080 phone i'm just like well you may as well tell me that you wash yourself with human excrement yeah it's

01:02:27.360 a bit like saying it's a bit it's a bit like saying you enjoy reading because you read the back of the

01:02:30.880 cereal packet it's not yeah it's not the same thing it's low iq yeah but because it's just it's fine you

01:02:37.120 know you're you're bored when you're on the tube or something you just want to pass the time so

01:02:41.520 you're just like doing you know something to get a bit of sensory stimulus fine fair enough i totally

01:02:46.000 understand but that's not why people are playing these games this is a different paradigm to be

01:02:50.800 fair there are probably some good ones so yeah there'll be angry people in the comments saying josh

01:02:55.200 that's that's a sweeping statement yeah you're probably wrong but mostly right thank you the only

01:03:00.400 the only mobile game i've ever enjoyed was um plague inc because you get to kill everybody

01:03:04.960 that's that's quite cathartic um but yeah anyway so so the argument is that because they've got all

01:03:10.560 these female gamers therefore females need to be running everything i mean they will stretch to any

01:03:14.480 justification anything but you just end up with these rancid feminists who hate men developing every

01:03:20.000 game but it's it's the new man paradigm yeah found ourselves trapped in the new the new men have to be

01:03:24.320 corporately uh attuned and so they're sort of they're comfortable in a corporate boardroom and that

01:03:29.760 means they're feminist that means they're liberal all this sort of stuff but look at the culture it's

01:03:34.160 producing look it's in every aspect of our lives honestly it's just degrading everything but but

01:03:40.240 now games they're just triple a games they're just not fun yeah and they're fake and they're gay well

01:03:45.920 they're they're they're sort of putting the person playing them on a set of rails you have this very

01:03:52.160 um artificial experience where you have no creativity you press buttons and the hard work is done for

01:03:58.320 you well that's that's why i dropped out of the call of duty franchise because it was i remember i you

01:04:03.520 know the call of duty was an old thing it used to be like second world war loads of stuff about that

01:04:08.880 and then they made like modern warfare one and the first one was really good and the second one was

01:04:12.640 pretty good and then i think maybe i bought the third one and i was going some way and i got a big

01:04:16.720 message saying you're going the wrong way you're not allowed to do that it's like what

01:04:21.200 it's ridiculous yeah yeah you didn't you mean you didn't play doom 2 and get told that you were going

01:04:26.320 the wrong way they just let you go the wrong way as long as you liked and you there'd just be a wall

01:04:29.760 yeah you had to figure it out anyway but so this feminization of gaming has been taking place for

01:04:34.000 some time and this is an optimistic segment because we're coming through it now the other

01:04:38.080 side because the existing model has been so thoroughly rejected i mean um was it ubisoft

01:04:43.040 their share price has dropped from 90p down to 14p over the last 10 years now with the amount

01:04:49.600 it's almost 90 decrease isn't it and that's the past five years i think off the top of my head anyway

01:04:54.560 yeah i mean that sounds about right but you've got to remember the amount of inflation that we've

01:04:58.160 had over the last 10 years if you had just bought gravel it would have held its value better than if

01:05:03.600 you'd bought ubisoft it's almost number would have gone up yeah i mean it's almost impossible to do

01:05:09.600 anything in finance and not see an increase over the last 10 years of the rate of inflation and yet

01:05:14.160 somehow they have managed it by putting in women each other now there was one chap who called this out

01:05:19.200 a while ago we go to the next link yeah i wonder if anyone listened to him so this um i mean first of all

01:05:25.200 don't be too shocked about how skinny uh crowder was looking back then and if we could figure anyway

01:05:31.440 play this why do you think that has been such a big driver why do you think that's become so

01:05:38.240 important because a huge portion of your content now is either centered around gamer gate or the

01:05:42.560 social justice warrior sort of topic um i think initially i mean i've always been the the main reason

01:05:50.640 that i got into doing my youtube channel in the first place is because i've become very very

01:05:54.880 concerned with what i see as major violations of the principles of classical liberalism i i find it

01:06:02.720 very very disturbing some of the some of the bizarre attitudes i've heard coming out of the press uh

01:06:09.680 coming out the gaming press the mainstream press just you know the the prevailing attitudes are worrying

01:06:16.720 they really disturb me there seems to be this remarkable amount there are a remarkable amount

01:06:23.360 of people who simply don't see bias as a bad thing they think objectivity is silly they think that's

01:06:29.440 collusion for the greater cause of extreme progressivism it's just fine they think that the

01:06:34.720 presumption of guilt is acceptable in certain conditions right they they think all all kinds of

01:06:39.840 frankly insane things that i i can't countenance and gamergate is kind of kind of a result of all

01:06:47.600 of these things these people don't seem to have any scruples so they seem to have no problem with

01:06:53.520 colluding and attacking their audience but for the you know to promote their agenda and being corrupt

01:06:59.680 you know openly corrupt these people have a massive paper trail that guy knows his stuff we should get

01:07:05.280 i don't know i think he needs a serious improvement in many different ways he needs to lose some weight

01:07:09.920 trim his beard and get his rattle i mean we we should address that i mean what the hell is it

01:07:13.600 looks like peter jackson um you know peter jackson fucked an ewok or something i mean what what happened

01:07:20.800 here i wasn't really very self-conscious

01:07:26.560 that i see there's been a dramatic a remarkable shake-up i would say so so so good good for you so well

01:07:31.680 well done on that but what he was saying um was spot on i mean he basically called the trends

01:07:38.000 exactly right over the course of the next 10 years and everything that he was said that they were

01:07:41.360 doing then has basically run its course to the point where it's you know has become utterly utterly

01:07:46.480 unviable um in fact we got we got another from this chap who we got again this is this is

01:07:52.960 quite ten years do we have to watch me talking though for the sake of time can we not can we just

01:07:58.080 summarize me time is it i think i think this one he makes the point quite quickly okay they're talking

01:08:03.840 about hardcore feminists yeah we are talking about like a specific sphere of academic feminists in her

01:08:08.480 case sex negative um six what yeah they don't they don't they don't like objectification they don't

01:08:14.480 like sexy women and titties sex negative yeah they don't like sexy women and the male gaze is

01:08:19.360 oppressing women by croft tomb raider yeah that was that was part of the big issue right it was like

01:08:24.560 sexism because of lara croft terrible terrible oppression i don't know how women can get over

01:08:30.640 it but uh and he sucked easy and stepped up and was like you know what it's wrong to look at these

01:08:34.800 tits and everyone was like but right there we go in a really tight top for a reason right so i don't

01:08:40.560 know what happened between 10 years and seven years ago look how skeptical joe rogan was it's like

01:08:45.840 just going back he's like well what really it's like yes this is you know but now he's he's oh yeah

01:08:50.640 not skeptical in any way i mean he was more lefty back then wasn't he was yeah and this stuff wasn't

01:08:55.920 in his face all the time yeah you can't you can't you can't really avoid it anymore um but yeah i mean

01:09:02.080 so this this whole thing about how you know they they attack people um you know they've got this sort

01:09:09.200 of perverse ideology i mean this example of whatever this is um ghost of yoti which is presumably going

01:09:15.520 to be the next triple a game protagonist is voiced by a radical activist um who thinks police are white

01:09:20.720 supremacists or transgender ideology but that that is who you know triple a gaming is these days i

01:09:26.880 think this is a follow-up from ghosts of tsushima isn't it samson

01:09:31.760 yes and that game was um regarded as excellent like a really good game authentic it wasn't like the

01:09:38.880 new assassin's creed game where they've thrown tyrone in there and he's going around japan beating

01:09:44.640 people up it's a bit like modern day japan then yeah but um what what it was was an authentic

01:09:52.000 expression of japanese culture and what they're trying to do now is move away from that because

01:09:57.280 it was popular and successful and it didn't necessarily um it didn't reflect the values that

01:10:05.280 we're moving towards right okay so you know a bit of optimism uh what what's a great what what is a good

01:10:13.440 indie game that's worth playing i mean i enjoy banalords um but what do i actually play you're

01:10:20.880 telling me about some water i've got my steam up at the minute that's not indie though isn't it

01:10:24.880 probably not shall i list off some games give you some time to think so um i was playing no man's

01:10:29.840 sky last um it kind of was it started off small got quite big um chivalry 2 um manor lords

01:10:37.920 um i've got banalord there as well um i've got a game called phasmophobia which i've been playing

01:10:42.720 with one of my old school friends which is a game where you go you have a whole toolkit and you go

01:10:47.440 into a house and try and figure out which kind of ghost is haunting it oh okay it's quite good fun

01:10:52.320 actually it's like a horror game um kingdom kim yeah i can't even say it kingdom come deliverance i've

01:10:59.840 been playing again sons of the forest i've been playing with my friends loads of games out there

01:11:04.720 i think nearly perfect game frost punk 2 bloody love this game have you have you heard of that

01:11:09.440 one i've seen lots of positive reviews of it but so so frost so frost punk one is really really good

01:11:15.120 and and some people don't like the sequel but i like the sequel the reason i like it is because

01:11:18.640 it's basically in a post-apocalyptic where it's got really cold so so the climate collapse has come

01:11:24.000 and it's cold but you know don't worry about that so you've got to basically keep this

01:11:27.360 ninth this victorian era steampunk um community alive and the reason i like number two is because

01:11:33.600 different factions form and one of the factions is technocrats who are guided by the principles of

01:11:38.640 progressivism equality and reason right and and and they form in opposition to another group um which

01:11:45.200 is the which is the icebloods who are all about adaptation merit and tradition so basically you're

01:11:51.520 in charge of them and these are these two factions and i spend the entire game making the life of the

01:11:56.720 technocrats as much hell as possible i mean i just subjugate them i give them i make them promises

01:12:02.880 that i don't keep um i repeatedly tell them you know yeah we we concede on this and then do the

01:12:07.760 precise opposite and and in my last game i eventually ended up just um putting them in a camp

01:12:14.480 in a concentration camp because they they want weird shit they they want stuff like um so i ended up

01:12:20.400 doing like traditional marriages and women stay home and look after the kids and they wanted um

01:12:25.920 um they wanted all kids to be raised communally yeah the new man yeah yeah and they wanted uh

01:12:30.240 a rotational um relationship rotation all stuff like that well there's a whole bunch of social

01:12:36.160 policy now oh you can set you can set the um policy on who comes into your society so these

01:12:41.920 fuckers they want sorry sorry these guys they want open borders obviously whereas the other guys

01:12:47.200 are like um no we want closed borders or at the minimum we want um helpful people only so there's

01:12:52.720 i mean there's a whole bunch oh you can sterilize criminals um uh you can make the unproductive

01:12:58.400 pool their way it's a dystopia or utopia yeah this is a game and not a manifesto right well i play it

01:13:03.840 like a manifesto anyway so i think that is absolutely brilliant i mean there's there's other factions in

01:13:08.480 there as well but you basically get to govern the society uh that is clinging on by their by their you

01:13:13.920 know fingernails and therefore you can be a bit radical with stuff um so yeah i think there are great

01:13:18.480 games out there you're just not gonna find them from the big studio so you know we could be

01:13:22.720 optimistic because you know it is all done uh final link um because i didn't actually know that this was

01:13:28.480 a thing but apparently everybody apart from me knows this is a thing is apparently you have a

01:13:32.160 you have a gaming channel now yeah got a little gaming channel where i'm doing little battle lord

01:13:36.160 videos i'm playing some space marine too right this is a bit of fun that sounds all right yeah

01:13:40.880 something to blow steam to be honest it's not very political how often do you actually stream on that

01:13:45.280 then pretty regularly right so because normally i'll get like an hour or two in the evening where

01:13:50.080 i'm like on my own in my office and so you know i'll do like a stream or so you invite 10 000 people

01:13:55.520 in with you well not quite that many but yeah yeah because it's just playing some games just relaxing

01:14:02.480 all right well if you want a game with karl um he's been right about this stuff so far

01:14:06.640 check out whatever it was what is it the pondering yeah all right should we go to the comments let's go to

01:14:12.560 video comments are we supposed to do the reedy out things oh we can get back to those

01:14:24.800 cool yeah that's yes good yes i'm interested

01:14:52.880 where was that that was you put a map at the beginning i'm gonna have to watch that one yeah

01:14:57.360 it's only about an hour and 20 minutes away yeah yeah so i do really enjoy going shooting

01:15:02.480 so who was great fun i i missed it actually yeah so did i well we'll check after right we check

01:15:07.440 thank you thank you for letting us know

01:15:19.920 any thoughts

01:15:41.280 that's very good i can confirm that is true

01:15:43.680 that that hasn't been enough to secure a majority of seats for labor and also that the lmp

01:15:52.640 is unlikely to have a majority

01:15:57.680 i've been following australian politics so there's probably a whole story there yeah it's good to

01:16:16.080 see that the uh that's important yeah i've been seeing a lot of people talking about using genetic

01:16:25.360 engineering to kill off the mosquito population because they spread malaria that kills people and

01:16:31.360 such stuff but ask yourself do you know anyone that's ever been killed by a mosquito-borne disease

01:16:37.680 and if you do ask yourself that you should google where are all these people that are dying of mosquito-borne

01:16:43.200 diseases and should you do that consider the parable of chesterton's fence and what the third order

01:16:50.480 effects of killing off the mosquito population might be i think i see where you're going with that sir

01:16:56.560 let's go to the next one

01:17:00.160 oh is that it i think that was the last one okay um got a bunch of the that's a random name says when

01:17:06.400 i was studying game design our teachers taught us to make solipsistic games with the player experiences

01:17:11.360 is 100 controlled by us absolute rubbish i went to indie uh i went indeed to make games great again

01:17:17.840 so where the player experience is 100 controlled by the developer that's a terrible idea and anything

01:17:24.240 that removes agency from the player is a reduction in the fun of the game i agree more agency that the

01:17:29.840 player can express the more fun a game tends to be if if if 100 controlling the player's experience

01:17:35.840 is a good thing why is like one of the biggest indie games of all times minecraft yeah where the

01:17:40.720 player has 100 control i mean probably the biggest also in a world where we don't really have agency

01:17:46.640 it's nice to pretend that we do for a little bit right yes i mean what this is one of the things i

01:17:51.280 like about battle lord it's like okay you're on a map good luck it's like brilliant yeah the best

01:17:55.600 games are like that that's that's why like oblivion and skyrim were really good is

01:18:00.480 you have freedom to play the game any way you want to yeah go and explore um uh the last russian

01:18:06.640 says uh women uh like games that tell a story mostly on rails basically user interactive films

01:18:11.840 with minor choices see detroit becoming human and heavy rain the last of us etc the first last of us

01:18:17.760 game was a good game danny says carl got fit in mind and body since then thank you my i what i when

01:18:23.360 i was listening to myself i mean obviously i looked awful but i was just like god i'm just terrible at

01:18:27.760 explaining my point because i was probably back in like 2016 or something when i was not an expert

01:18:32.880 on anything as long as you're going in the right direction that's fine i think i've improved yeah

01:18:36.640 bald eagle says i think i can speak for everyone when you said you've had a tremendous transformation

01:18:40.320 carl uh you show the emperor does indeed protect and motivate his warriors and messages well thank you

01:18:46.960 uh someone online says halloween is fun dan kids aren't begging they're extorting trick or treat

01:18:53.360 means give me a treat or give you a trick yeah if you consider the coercive nature of halloween he's

01:18:58.480 begging it's teaching children to grift yep do you want to do yours sure baron von warhawk says a

01:19:05.040 perfect metaphor for the country they know in their hearts that they are doing wrong however they have

01:19:09.120 committed so much evil that they cannot stop therefore when confronted by one of the englishmen

01:19:13.600 they have wronged they can only respond with violence yeah fuzzy toaster says uh to give him the benefit

01:19:19.520 of the doubt perhaps he misgendered a stunning and brave individual although i'm surprised the

01:19:23.680 lefty had enough power in his soy um powered muscles and enough strength in his nutrient deficient bones

01:19:29.680 to actually harm him well the thing is you've got to remember that in the north labor are basically

01:19:34.080 like the communist party of china where they're not in favor of all the soy stuff they just want to

01:19:38.080 extort you and just want to you know be corrupt tyrants really they don't care about any of the social

01:19:43.840 progressive stuff they're very socially conservative but they will beat you in the street yeah it's

01:19:48.400 more economic the further you go up pretty much more about extorting poor people um base tape says

01:19:54.640 i've been trying to get someone to take a 1000 pound bet that being a labor party member he will

01:20:01.520 not even receive a court date for this assault i haven't found anyone who is willing to take the

01:20:05.920 bet i don't think he's going to get punished yeah probably not because of course he can just say

01:20:11.600 he verbally threatened me and then he could say i took preemptive action and if it's his word

01:20:17.360 against the other guys with anybody else that excuse would wouldn't wash because the guy fell

01:20:22.320 backwards was on his back and then and then the you continue top of him there's no there's zero

01:20:28.000 percent if if it was a nightclub bouncer who did that and got caught on film he would be going to jail

01:20:33.680 although i i i think um nightclub bouncers are usually guilty and until presumed innocent because

01:20:39.440 they're normally scumbags in my experience another reason not not to go to night anybody who isn't part of

01:20:45.760 the power structure would go to jail for that that's true and we all know it yeah uh monkey

01:20:50.160 smoke says um if both men in a state of heightened agitation then crack on but the guy who got hit

01:20:55.920 was completely relaxed that is true as dan pointed out the puncher is a coward and attacking someone

01:21:01.840 um down is vicious and twisted what the uh f is he doing on the street that's true um i don't think

01:21:10.160 he's necessarily going to do it again because he didn't have a history of assault as far as i'm

01:21:14.720 aware i also reckon if it wasn't an mp that was punching him that other guy would have defended

01:21:20.240 himself but he knew that if he fought back he would probably go to jail also he probably wasn't

01:21:25.760 expecting an mp to punch him yeah why would he but even if he was i reckon if it was anybody if it was

01:21:31.760 just you know the manager of a bar that attacked him because he was complaining about his fork being

01:21:36.400 dirty i think he would have fought back but he just knew that he could not fight back against an

01:21:40.480 mp because they are the power kind of a bit jealous because imagine how much favorable treatment you'll

01:21:45.760 get from then on you'll basically be you know untouchable wouldn't you if if you know you get

01:21:52.000 beaten up by an mp they found guilty at least i mean i i thought that perhaps he might have been

01:21:57.840 looking for a bit of a reaction a little bit because the i i don't know it didn't look like he was

01:22:03.520 expecting to be punched no if he was like being a bit leery and a little bit on his feet sort of

01:22:08.640 things he was expecting nothing in the post he was totally flat-footed he wasn't in any way bracing

01:22:15.120 to to receive so it's just like this guy didn't see it coming i think no so i don't think he had

01:22:20.240 any thoughts i thought he was just like i'll just vent my spleen at my local mp um for the sake of time

01:22:25.200 i'm going to move on to the next segment um chad koala says honestly i think the 90s were unusually

01:22:30.080 bright and optimistic time for the anglosphere and western europe because we were wedged between

01:22:34.160 the end of the cold war and the beginning of the war on terror on top of that digital technology

01:22:37.680 wasn't good enough to be an ever-present eye of sauron watching and recording our every action

01:22:41.680 true i mean beau wanted me to bring up uh 9-11 but i'm not sure 9-11 changed the paradigm i think it

01:22:50.640 was just a kind of accelerant in the paradigm that's the word i would have used the paradigm was set

01:22:56.640 before 9-11 happened and then the thing the machine just started moving as it was already

01:23:03.200 moving just faster um out of the happy meal says the blair man is just the dino a man that exists

01:23:09.840 outside of politics as a product of fashion trends consumerism cheap flights to turkey nowadays he's

01:23:14.480 out of places lifestyle is becoming untenable as politics seeping in the 2000s are over for them

01:23:19.680 no that's not true the dino is the consequence of the new men but dino's are not themselves

01:23:25.360 naturally new men they're actually quite um unhappy with the um new magazines they're not very

01:23:33.360 politically correct like they're not anti-political correctness but they're not just not fully formed

01:23:38.320 men yeah they're just they're just what emerges after the concept of men has disappeared yeah yeah

01:23:44.240 exactly because the men behaving badly are the ones who are like no i'm a man i'm not going to deal

01:23:47.200 with that you know so the resistance political correctness but the dino's just kind of beaten down

01:23:52.320 by that sort of men by committee as i see them yeah don't necessarily have too much agency yeah

01:23:57.840 in a clear vision yeah yeah and they're just just gonna you know do the best i can get my missus

01:24:03.520 you know get my barrett new build and go to miller and carter because got more than i do so yeah

01:24:09.360 exactly it's the best that you can do given the situation so i don't blame him but they're not the

01:24:13.680 new men um chase says i grew up in canada watching british tv like blackadder and mr bean

01:24:19.040 perhaps as a nostalgia speaking but it made britain feel like my home away from home now

01:24:22.800 popular cult what popular culture does brit produce it so very sad well you can watch the

01:24:26.800 only way is essex if you want to really see the the best that we have to offer cut off your own ears

01:24:34.400 uh lord nareva said blairism has been annihilated largely due to the constraints of reality upon his

01:24:38.560 vision of course multiculturalism doesn't work it should be blaringly obvious to anyone

01:24:43.440 with a functioning brain which is why he's in his successor still i think it does work i suppose no we

01:24:48.160 we are reaching the end of the blairite paradigm but we're reaching its inevitable consequence

01:24:53.520 like they think it works keir starmer doesn't know any other kind of politics he is new man

01:24:58.480 politics all the way and this is why he'll always hate nigel farage but nigel farage would

01:25:03.120 forever be his like dark mirror image and not really capable of being anything different to

01:25:08.800 the the two sides of the coin um eloise says unfortunately sex and young men pursuing it

01:25:15.120 means that a lot fell for the new man paradigm thinking it was attractive to progressive women

01:25:19.440 they were attracted to and here we are and i say it's seen unfortunately having befallen the two

01:25:24.480 older brothers who chased hot feminist types in their youths instead of following behind a traditional

01:25:28.720 father or my dad thinking that they were being contrarian and that it was attractive to women

01:25:33.520 but yep yep there were lots of people like this and i was never i was always much more on the

01:25:38.880 men behaving badly um paradigm if you couldn't tell um but even then at least i'm self-aware enough to

01:25:44.960 know that that's not got that's not the future right so i think what nigel farage is trying to do is

01:25:51.600 tap into a kind of traditional british not aristocrat but the sort of the old school traditional british

01:25:58.320 culture whereas you know some stuffy guy in a suit explaining why everyone was wrong but with an

01:26:04.400 air of competence and reassurance yeah i think is what people are actually like ability yeah yeah

01:26:10.160 and the sort of david starkey paradigm that's kind of what i think the only thing that can overthrow

01:26:14.560 the blairite paradigm basically um but i'll let you do a couple because we're running out of time

01:26:19.200 emma ward says the latest dragon age is coming out it's obvious uh it's office focus is building a

01:26:24.640 fantasy around the message um instead of immersing you a strange interesting worlds or story yeah the

01:26:30.400 first dragon age was great but yeah very quickly gave up on that one well the new one didn't that

01:26:35.200 have um top surgery scars in the customizable character oh yeah that's apparently the new one

01:26:39.920 that's coming yeah um george happ says those clips uh from crowder and rogan are very nostalgic

01:26:46.000 what a lot of people fail to realize is that game agape never ended it was the part of the ongoing

01:26:50.480 culture war because these developers didn't listen 10 years ago they are now they're now

01:26:54.960 facing a well-deserved industry crash brought on by deo hires yeah i mean we we did lose we did fail

01:27:00.560 which is why all of this stuff is well yeah but you you lost in the sense that you were saying to

01:27:06.960 these ships sailing by um you're on fire you want to put that out not pour gasoline on sure and what

01:27:13.280 they did is they poured gasoline on so they they they won in that they got to carry on doing it but

01:27:18.160 they've destroyed 90 of the value of their business as we like ubisoft well you know yeah

01:27:24.880 and now new things are emerging as we all talked about we're all into indie games now well i think

01:27:29.040 that with sweet baby ink with gamergate you know people threw this the first stone in retaliation to

01:27:35.760 this sort of wokeness if you will and that's probably why we're seeing things emerge from the other side

01:27:42.320 and all of these uh fragmented studios creating good games and we're going to see power ultimately

01:27:49.200 move away from centralization to individuals which is good in my opinion lance a lot makes a good point

01:27:54.320 i miss that i miss the days when video games or social events have a few rent friends around the

01:27:58.240 console yeah that was the thing i early on in gaming you'd have like a bit of street fighter or

01:28:02.720 mario kart and you'd have a couple of mates around i mean ideally you want three mates uh well actually

01:28:08.080 you know unless it's street fire you want one right and and then you kind of all get around

01:28:11.200 the console you'd have a little tournament if it's street fire yeah yeah winner stays on well

01:28:15.360 that still goes on like i still play video games with my old school friends just not in person not

01:28:21.360 within punching distance because it's online but you're missing that's the thing it's very easy to

01:28:26.160 take these things online but there was definitely a very strong social atmosphere especially when it was

01:28:29.680 like winner stays on on a street fight too or something like that that it became highly competitive

01:28:34.800 yeah highly competitive and the the dude who's yeah it was highly it was great you know i remember

01:28:40.720 going home after playing games with my friends with like a dead arm bruised because there's like

01:28:45.760 you're cheating yeah yeah you hit them in the arm there's some there's definitely something that's

01:28:49.680 been lost i mean like land parties are always great as well so if you're a super nerd yes then you'd

01:28:55.440 what you like one weekend a year or something you'd imagine to get everyone's parents in alignment

01:29:00.000 you'd be like mom i need a lift my computer over to frank's house everyone else can do it and then we

01:29:04.640 land parties got so much better when you hit 17 because then somebody could computers back in

01:29:09.920 those days were massive as well crt yes so when you hit 17 and you could drive around to somebody's

01:29:15.440 house and like the bunch of you would turn up and then you just like figure out the land cables and

01:29:19.040 stuff yeah that was superb yeah and it was also totally novel because you didn't have persistent

01:29:23.200 online internet gaming so playing games with your friends was quite unusual yeah when you you know so

01:29:28.000 you get like you know 10 of you playing quake or something yeah and that was absolutely amazing

01:29:32.080 honestly kids today will never understand yeah i hate to say this though but we have uh reached

01:29:37.200 the end of time but thank you to everyone who has said quote as sophie says college like fine wine

01:29:42.080 thank you very much i appreciate that it's been a lot of work and i've had to deny myself a lot of

01:29:45.760 delicious meals um but uh we will be back tomorrow of course same time same place so have a great

01:29:51.120 evening and we'll see you then

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 29, 2024

Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1032

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