00:00:21.000So, today we're going to be talking about Trump's public slapdown of South Africa and the South African government.
00:00:28.480We're going to talk about kneecaps implosion, which sounds like a very traumatising wound.
00:00:34.560And we're also going to be discussing some new details around the UK's migration scam.
00:00:40.880So, without, but before we get into all of those details, I'd just like to bring your attention to the fact that we have today at 7pm the webinar hosted by Carl and Nima.
00:00:55.480You're going to be on too, aren't you?
00:01:18.400The fact of the matter is that for a long time now, for many, many years, it's been chronicled that the white farmers in particular have become a very, very persecuted minority in South Africa.
00:01:30.980And you can see ever since this Lauren Southern documentary, Farmlands, going back as 8, 7 or 8 years, that this has been something that's been going on for over a decade now.
00:01:45.340And there are some truly horrific truths that this particular documentary highlights.
00:01:51.300There is a contract that go out from the South African government to a group of people called Blood Sisters.
00:01:59.920And these Blood Sisters are, as I say, government contracted to go round the white farms after there have been murders and lawlessness and anarchy and essentially clean up the bodies.
00:02:15.140And so, the South African government has long been, you know, there is no ignorance cannot be used as an excuse in this.
00:02:24.100There are some truly horrific, horrific stories out of it.
00:02:29.020You know, people being boiled alive and other such just grotesque things that I don't truly want to repeat them here.
00:02:40.160And this has, of course, led to enormous existential threat for those white farmers living in South Africa.
00:02:50.340Before, you've got enclaves now, such as Irania, which are white enclaves that they've had to set up.
00:02:57.120Independent farmers, white farmers, are having electric fences and security cameras and packing arsenals worth of weaponry in order to defend themselves.
00:03:07.300And ultimately, yesterday, with the scenes that we saw from the White House, I think we're seeing here with Trump the first real efforts by someone with genuine political weight and magnitude to force this issue.
00:03:28.400And fundamentally force the South African government to reckon with what it has overseen and being complicit in now for a long, long time.
00:03:40.120Well, we've seen much of their comments coming back saying that this doesn't happen.
00:03:44.400You know, white people aren't getting killed because of a genocide.
00:04:23.740And Grok was like, absolutely, there's no evidence whatsoever.
00:04:27.820Basically, the argument is, if I understand it correctly, that, yes, it is true.
00:04:34.980Lots of white people have been killed in South Africa, but it's just normal murder.
00:04:42.200It's not a systematic government program.
00:04:45.880It's not like the mid-century Germans, for example, where they'd set up a kind of system of systematic killing.
00:04:52.620It is much more, oh, there are lots of white people who've been killed, but them's the brakes, because South Africa, guess what, is really violent.
00:05:04.600And I did actually look down into the figures, and the figures I got were, it's something like 12.5, 12.8 per 100,000 for the white murder rate in South Africa, which is very high.
00:05:19.380To give you a basis of comparison, in this country, it's less than one, something like 0.9 or something like that.
00:05:28.080In some areas, and that's taking London, if you take London out, in some areas, it's almost zero.
00:05:34.560Like in Wales, it's headline news if somebody's killed, right?
00:05:38.020Whereas in South Africa, obviously that's much higher, but then the black per capita, per 100,000 murder rate is something like 48.8, which is huge, which is absolutely enormous.
00:05:55.440And so the argument from the left is like, well, this isn't a deliberate government policy.
00:06:01.580South Africa is just a really violent country.
00:06:03.480And actually, if you look, the black murder rate is higher, so how can you say there's targeted white genocide?
00:06:31.820There might be some nice places to live there, but as a whole, it sounds like...
00:06:35.200You get the impression, don't you, that it's a nightmarish society, especially if you do live in a white enclave, that you're living under siege, quite literally.
00:06:46.400There is another element to it, which is that if you remember...
00:06:49.540I mean, do you remember Mugabe in Zimbabwe?
00:06:51.640They had the land reform laws that they brought in where they basically seized farms.
00:06:57.220And it was a disaster, and it led to famine, because they took lands from farmers who'd been there for generations, and they literally just gave them to government cronies who were like, I don't know what to do with this land, who then immediately sold it or immediately did something else with it.
00:07:47.000And what Trump has done is he's put these two numbers, the kind of high numbers of murders, which are real, but not systematic, according to the Guardian.
00:07:56.520To correct the left or anyone else who doesn't want to believe it.
00:07:58.000And he's put that together with this being the official government policy.
00:08:01.500And the people on the other side are saying, this is a narrative that you're telling.
00:08:08.320But still, he's drawing attention to a situation there that has existed.
00:08:12.640I mean, I remember, you know, back in 2016, people like Stefan Molyneux had a video called The Truth About South Africa.
00:08:21.680Which, I mean, you talk about when you take those first couple of little...
00:08:26.460It blew my mind, the stuff that we're not told about or the stuff that we weren't aware of.
00:08:33.040One of the little things I remember Molyneux mentioning in that back in the day was the fact that large swathes of South Africa were never even occupied.
00:08:43.360Like, when they first settled it, there was nobody there.
00:08:46.400So, I mean, there's a lot of other stuff about, like, whether this idea of reclaiming the land for the original inhabitants.
00:08:54.780There's all sorts of things that it kind of opens up as to what that claim is based on, who those people are, where they were 500 years ago, etc.
00:09:26.200Yes, the South African government created something called the Black Economic Empowerment Policy,
00:09:32.040which is, of course, an affirmative action program and form of social engineering in order to just get fewer whites in the institutions.
00:09:40.600And just, honestly, throughout the general domestic workforce, it seems.
00:09:45.180And also, one of the other things mentioned in this documentary as well, or rather, one of the people that Lauren Southern interviews is a woman who is part of an organization and movement called the BFL, which is Black First, Land First.
00:10:01.740And it's remarkable how, to say that this is a documentary that's been seen by nearly 3 million people on YouTube, right, how brazen this woman was in her rhetoric.
00:10:14.200She just says, no, you came here, and we own all of it, and we are taking it back.
00:11:50.580I'm sure many, many people have seen this by now.
00:11:52.880But yes, the South African president went over there expecting to talk about trade and making a few quips about golf in order to get Trump on side.
00:12:03.760And Trump, obviously, addressed the one issue that mattered more than anything else, took the time to make this about...
00:12:13.980It was pretty impressive because two things I took from the take on that is that when that continues, Julian Bear carries on saying, kill the white, kill the boar, kill the boar.
00:12:25.660And it's very explicit of what he's saying about kill the white, kill the boar, and we will take the land back, which blows away the argument of the left that there is no intent within government because, obviously, he is a partner in government in terms of sharing power in certain institutions because of the lending of his MPs that are in there, or those who support him at least.
00:12:46.900But the second thing was the telling, I don't know if you're going to go into, is the NBC response.
00:12:52.760Well, I was going to go into just the general response from the larger media.
00:13:23.480They're saying what they really mean, what they really believe.
00:13:25.820They'd only care if they felt so weak that they had no external power being able to support them, either in terms of an economic lifeguard, in terms of the bonds that are supporting their debt that they're so far down the line in.
00:13:40.880They have got a huge unemployment issue.
00:13:47.600And that relates to the large killings that are occurring because they're in countries who are just even poorer than South Africa, which used to be regarded as the breadbasket of that region, being able to propel economic wealth.
00:14:01.660They're now coming down as refugees into there.
00:14:04.280And there's lots of internal tensions because of that, too.
00:14:07.120So who comes steps up as part of the Belt and Road and expanding out to create friction between the West?
00:14:16.660As we've withdrawn, said, let's do it on your own.
00:14:39.940And I think they get some comfort from that.
00:14:41.840Also, I just find it there's a commonality here that I personally see, which is that the entire crusade in the 20th century against apartheid as, oh, well, it's unfair because it's unequal and, you know, it lacks meritocracy and all of these sorts of things.
00:15:00.780Well, it seems to, you know, just at the same arguments we hear today about, you know, DEI and everything in Britain, it just seems that these things always happen to coincide with just depriving white people of agency and safety.
00:15:16.580That that is, in fact, that that is, in fact, largely what they are always, you know, really seeking in order to, as we say, these racial grievances that have been very, very entrenched after many, many centuries.
00:15:32.420And so it was interesting as well to see that after being, after the president of South Africa was forced to sit there and endure this humiliation, as Trump called him out, he did have an answer.
00:15:47.320And of course, that answer was a very, very African answer, which was Gibbs, Gibbs, to stop the violence, please.
00:15:55.780Our main, main, main, real reason for being here is to foster trade and investment so that we are able to grow our economy, your support, and so that we are also able to address all these societal problems because criminality thrives when people are unemployed, when they have no other hope to eke out a living.
00:16:23.860That classic argument that all leftists use, that criminality, even the worst types, murderers, rapes and everything, it's born out of poverty.
00:16:34.240I don't believe that. It's just not, it's just not true.
00:16:41.140I don't know whether you find it in terms of a philosophical level when we're just addressing these, but how I find it particularly interesting that the left will turn around and say, here's language.
00:16:51.200If you use the language of the racist, if you use the language of the white man here reform against these foreigners that are there, all you're doing is inciting some form of criminality and violence against them.
00:17:05.580But if they do it in Africa, it's not the same.
00:17:09.260It's just the violence is just born out of poverty.
00:17:11.980It's nothing to do with Jacob turning around and saying, kill the boar.
00:17:15.420That's just a frustration born out of an ancestry issue of never not being able to control your land, rather than saying, isn't this the same sort of language that you're saying is what Nigel Farage and others like him say, you know, about a generation of people of a different colour in that country.
00:17:34.180They also do us, I mean, when we talk about logic later on, I'll be stressing the need for definitions, because so many arguments are over something called equivocation, two different meanings of the same word.
00:17:45.500What the left will focus on is the word genocide being used, and they'll say, there is no evidence for systematic murder, okay?
00:17:54.720But what the bait and switch is in that, there is an actual field called genocide studies, where they've, you know, there are academics who work on this, and they talk about, before you get to that, there are all sorts of preliminary stages to what they call genocide.
00:18:12.340I mean, you can look at Rwanda as one example, or you can look at what happened in Germany in the 1940s.
00:18:19.500The first phase before you get to systematic killing is making, like, taking rights away on the legal front, so depersonizing, dehumanizing through seeing, you know, seeing the group as less than human in some way, and then taking away successively, you know, voting rights, property rights, et cetera, et cetera.
00:18:47.580I mean, all of these stages happen before you get to that.
00:18:52.140And the left, when they're dealing with any other situation, they would call it genocide, okay?
00:19:00.060As they've done when they talk about Israel and Gaza.
00:19:02.460And, well, and that is particularly pertinent in this case, because it was South Africa who put in the, what was it, the international, the ICJ, the international...
00:19:15.500Is it South Africa and Ireland, or South Africa?
00:19:17.180Well, it was South Africa originally, and then other people joined it.
00:19:20.860And, obviously, Trump is going there, like, okay, if you're going to talk about, if you're going to call that genocide, let's talk about this, what's going on under your watch.
00:19:30.960And many of the same arguments could be made.
00:19:33.660So, this is, I think, another reason why the left, who obviously, on that issue, have been using that word a lot.
00:19:42.460Now, they're pushing back on this, because it undermines the moral case there.
00:19:47.740Another thing, which is more metapolitical or bigger, is that, I mean, I don't know if you were around in the 90s, but we were talking about de Klerk.
00:20:00.060Like, the regime put a lot of cultural, political capital behind Mandela, building Mandela up as this kind of almost like saint, you know, I mean, there's Gandhi, there's Mandela, there's Martin Luther King Jr.
00:20:16.140This is, like, the holy trinity of, like, boomer icons, if you want to put it that way.
00:20:22.100And, I mean, I actually went to South Africa once, and this phrase, well, I was going on honeymoon to Botswana, but we had to go through Johannesburg, and our plane was delayed, which means we had to spend a day in Johannesburg.
00:20:35.200So, I paid a guy, I paid a guy, like, $200 to take me on a tour of Joburg.
00:20:43.100One thing is that everywhere you go, there's this phrase, our democracy, and it's got, like, the iconography from that moment in 1994, okay?
00:20:53.440And everybody talks, oh, like, you're talking to the taxi driver, and you'll say our democracy in everyday conversation, but there's a gap between what was promised and what has actually been delivered.
00:21:05.260So, there's this sense that the project failed, or it hasn't delivered.
00:21:09.480And the guy who was sending me, who did this tour in Johannesburg, it would take too long, but he said, oh, I'm going to show you the tallest building in Johannesburg.
00:21:20.020Okay, and he took me up this, what felt like a kind of multi-story car park, and he was really proud of it.
00:21:26.460He was like, yeah, this is the best build, this is the tour, it's like a high-rise car park type thing.
00:21:32.360And anyway, we got to the top, and there were all these photos from the 1970s of this fairground of, like, kids enjoying themselves.
00:21:41.860And, you know, the driver was black, right?
00:21:44.580And the guy, and he looked up at it, and he just kind of, he had this look in his eye, and he said to me, you know, they were better days, they were better times.
00:21:53.800And I was just thinking, ah, this is, you know, and if you actually go there, there is that undercurrent, which is kind of unspoken.
00:22:05.700And I think they've done polls of, you know, there's actually quite common opinion there of, you know, has life improved since the fall of apartheid?
00:22:15.200And, well, let's just say opinion is divided in South Africa, so, and, but our regime, the Western regime, needs it to be a success in a way,
00:22:24.800so they don't like to draw attention to the fact that the project has gone wrong, because we're meant to think of, we're meant to think of it as this great thing.
00:22:33.480Yeah, I almost went in the 90s for a similar sort of thing, but I had a girlfriend who was South African, and for one finger or another, I couldn't go on that trip with them.
00:22:42.240And they were going to Joburg, they had to go to Joburg, unfortunately, because there was still some family members.
00:22:46.560And they got back, they were just telling about how, when they got to Joburg, they had to have security, and when they got home, they had, like, double sets of gates, all the windows had bars on them,
00:22:58.140and they had someone with a gun who was going out with them before they went off down to the Cape.
00:23:02.820And that was then, in the 90s. Things have significantly got worse.
00:23:07.240It is quite appropriate that we've got a president in the United States that's calling them out.
00:23:12.560But I'd be interested to see, as I say, really, one of the analysis is moving on from your point, is the way that the press tried to ignore it.
00:23:21.200And I don't know if you've got the clips of the way that they tried to deflect, totally away from the issue.
00:23:26.600And that's typical of the example, that we don't want to touch the Holy Grail.
00:23:30.860This was something that we said would work under the black community.
00:23:34.140It's failing. The people want the old system back, but we can't allow them to have that back.
00:23:39.600I don't want to go on about this too long, but I remember one of the things, I even made a video about it once.
00:23:44.140Where Magna Carta was signed is not that far away from where I live and drive.
00:23:52.980And sometimes I take my daughter to the park down there, where Magna Carta was signed, and there's a statue of the Queen there.
00:23:59.280And it's got all of the legislation from Magna Carta moving forwards, all of the kind of milestone in British political history, which is interesting.
00:24:08.940And then at one point it's got Karl Marx publishes the Communist Manifesto.
00:24:13.100I was like, what's that doing there then?
00:24:14.980And then anyway, right at the end of the line, right at the end of the line is the Constitution of South Africa.
00:24:22.380As if that's the culmination of British legal common law tradition from Magna Carta.
00:24:29.300And I remember thinking, what does Elizabeth II stand?
00:24:32.120Did she know that ultimately she stands for...
00:24:36.060But in their mind, when they built that statue, they were obviously thinking the culmination of our liberal thought is this.
00:27:27.920Because, ultimately, as you can see here, he thought and has been very comfortable for a long time with the Western media helping to shield him from all of this.
00:27:41.180He's been able to both have a very ethnically conscious nationalist bent to his politics, whilst also having the backing of media organisations that claim to despise that type of politics.
00:27:55.020And this is going to what you asked me about, Beau, earlier, about all of these different media organisations.
00:28:00.800And, obviously, they all came out and just happened to all use the same word in a very coordinated way.
00:28:34.280And in the midst of having just shown that video, the very first words were, what are you going to do about the plane that you're being given by the Saudi Arabians?
00:29:01.760They already wanted to try and deflect.
00:29:04.060They're using the word ambush because they know it's pejorative.
00:29:07.580It's a way of trying to diminish the idea that South Africa could possibly involve in any way, shape or form of destruction of property belonging to white people or even murder of them.
00:30:48.600If there's anyone that's on the fence who doesn't know the details one way or another, hasn't got a dog in the fight one way or the other,
00:30:53.900could they possibly believe that sort of argument?
00:30:58.700Well, one of the things that I noticed was that I know Trump has taken some South African refugees and the left had a field day memeing on the guy getting off the plane because he was quite a big chap.
00:31:15.300And, I mean, I couldn't help watch the comments and be like, it was never about refugees.
00:31:39.720The first part, it's a protective clause for them.
00:31:43.420They're trying to protect their narrative.
00:31:45.820And so this message goes out to the Rory Stuarts of this world, the Alistair Campbells and the UKs, that they can spread it on their podcasts and they get it out into their media to protect their little groups.
00:31:57.840I mean, I've got a very sensible business lady that I know who had a conversation with only yesterday who didn't understand or accept that there is this mass murder going on as South Africans.
00:32:09.240And she is particularly someone who's not a lefty and has actually voted for different political parties, mainly of the right.
00:32:20.000And so I think it's a protective element because they're feeling pushed across many, many fronts because many of their ideas are collapsing all around them.
00:32:27.820And that's why they're desperate to find any result.
00:32:30.420And they'll push this for as long as they can.
00:32:32.260I remember when Trump first started actually bringing some focus to this and in his original statement on the issue of what the farmers are going through.
00:32:41.760And he didn't use the word white in it.
00:32:44.460He just said some people in South Africa are being persecuted.
00:32:48.280And it's remarkable in a way that he is now, even though it seems like such a small thing in a way, but to, you know, cross that threshold and say, no, these are explicitly white people who are being persecuted.
00:33:02.080Because for the longest time, we've grown up in societies where white people can't be racist and they can only ever be the oppressors.
00:33:09.880And as you were saying earlier, this is the culmination in a way of a long, you know, logical end.
00:33:17.080And so I'm just conscious of the time, so I don't want to go much longer.
00:33:57.000If you actually go to Africa, that you'll see very quickly, everybody first identifies first at the tribal level from this bush or that bush.
00:35:02.220They think, well, you get into government, I've won the jackpot and I get to loot everybody else, basically.
00:35:08.060And it's very difficult to, I mean, Botswana, where I went, is one of the few countries that did not adopt that model.
00:35:15.300And mainly that meant we're going to maintain property rights and not have racial laws around who owns which properties, etc.
00:35:25.100So Botswana is probably a better model for Africa.
00:35:28.160Yeah, it's very interesting as well, because King Zwerithini of the Zulu said his motivation in working with the boas was the concern for food security.
00:35:39.120Because, remarkably, whatever grievances you might have, you know, I'm sure he remembers Rourke's Drift.
00:35:46.140But fundamentally, black people need to eat as well.
00:45:09.160But it's funny that they're starting to get their comeuppance.
00:45:11.780But two or three weeks ago, they were in the news because they were starting to get some backlash for saying bizarre and pretty damn radical things.
00:45:19.560So there's just a whole bunch of articles saying that, you know, they've been dropped by a few of their...
00:47:48.340I find the focus on Hezbollah particularly odd because, I mean, there are, you know, what I'm really into is an Iranian proxy militia group that is ostensibly there to fight for Lebanese freedom or something.
00:48:03.580It's like, how is that anybody's cause, let alone an Irish rapper's cause?
00:48:10.620But acting is a kind of devil advocate, trying to get into their brains, if they can, if they have a book.
00:48:16.040Well, I was just actually going to wonder whether you could actually blow air from one to the other and it'd go all the way through the three of them, to be honest.
00:48:22.880That's where the last one's leaning more to his left.
00:48:25.120But just trying to look at them, are they trying to do this because they think it's actually what they believe, the kind of currying of favour with these organisations because there is this swelling of a belief in Ireland that Israel is bad and we've got to support everything that's happening in Gaza?
00:48:42.100Is it that, and they're being able to profit from that in some way, a commercialisation of the poverty and ineptitude of the Hamas groups, is it that what they're doing?
00:48:57.920Do we feel that listening to them, there is a genuine belief in this equality and equanimity that they're looking for?
00:49:05.300No, because they started walking it back immediately.
00:49:32.720I mean, to Steel Man, again, foundations of logic, I think probably their strongest argument that they have is that they'd say something like,
00:49:41.080well, Ireland stands in a long tradition of anti-colonialism.
00:49:45.440It was the first country to declare independence from the British Empire.
00:49:49.680Now, bad things that the British Empire used to do are being done by other groups.
00:49:54.760And we are with the freedom fighters, whether it's Hezbollah or Hamas.
00:49:59.120So that's probably how they frame it in their own mind, where you think, well, you know, in the same way that they call the original Easter Rising or something,
00:50:11.760they would have called them terrorists back in 1916, where it's the same story, basically.
00:50:16.780That's probably like the most romantic version that the left would have, I'd imagine.
00:50:22.020Like a lot of these people, they know just enough skewed history to be resentful, right?
00:50:29.620Just enough nonsense to keep them angry.
00:50:36.700So, yeah, when it first started, people first started pushing back on it, you know, apparently they did lose their sponsor and their booking agent.
00:50:45.380Sharon Osbourne was pissed off with them.
00:51:29.260But they've certainly got a problem with specifically the Tories.
00:51:32.020So, like Liberal Democrat in Winchester, you've got to watch out then, to be honest.
00:51:36.180Sorry to say, do you remember there was that famous actress who was in, like, Juno and stuff, who then, like, had the sex change and became a man?
00:59:04.140I mean, it's funny you mentioned the honorary degrees.
00:59:08.220We talked about Robert Mugabe earlier on.
00:59:10.260One of the funniest things is that he was given dozens upon dozens of honorary degrees by our universities.
00:59:16.800And then when it came out that there was a massive famine and, you know, I remember under Blair, there was a big, Blair wanted to bomb Zimbabwe at one point.
01:00:58.920There was a moment, and it was, funny enough, it was the moment of the free Nelson Mandela thing,
01:01:05.360where Ladysmith Black Mombazo, and I think all of the old boomer artists like Paul Simon and Paul McCartney,
01:01:13.980they all had to bring out an album featuring Ladysmith Black Mombazo in this horrible moment of one world vision in 1991 or whatever it was.