The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1171

00:00:00.000 hi there folks welcome to the podcast the lotus eaters for friday the what's the date today

00:00:12.400 23rd 23rd goodness yeah i had no idea none of you can look at the date that's on your computer

00:00:18.540 or over there i i couldn't that's correct uh anyway uh i'm joined by harry and charlie downs

00:00:24.620 and uh today we're going to be talking about the unjust imprisonment of lucy connelly

00:00:28.940 marco rubio's uh strange glow up in which he's turned into one of the most based members of

00:00:34.720 the trump administration which i think nobody's giving him enough credit for so i really wanted

00:00:38.040 to cover that thing that'd be fun and uh five marxist arguments against mass immigration that

00:00:42.880 may surprise you we're not being woke right about this are we never i've been accused and i i was

00:00:48.220 repudiate these nations trying to learn from your enemies is the behavior of uh of somebody of a

00:00:53.520 communist of a communist this is woke right watch mojo right here top five marxist arguments

00:01:01.420 good idea for a show though

00:01:05.800 anyway let's carry all right so lucy colony uh colin bloody hell i'm not getting ready lucy

00:01:15.300 connelly is now quite a famous case in england because she was arrested last year after the

00:01:22.880 riots that were happening around the southport murders for posting a tweet and given 31 months

00:01:28.900 of prison time for it and she has recently gone through an appeal for that prison time to see if

00:01:34.260 she can get out early and they said no currently i believe that she is served about 280 something

00:01:40.460 days in so she's what maybe a third a little bit less than a third into her overall sentence

00:01:47.440 it's nearly three years she got yes and people are very upset about this whole fact because well

00:01:52.860 the british government loves to punish people for tweets and things that they have said rather than

00:01:58.160 things that people have actually done now this is not to say anything to justify what it was that

00:02:02.980 she posted originally because what she posted originally was quite stupid am i allowed to read it as

00:02:10.020 reporting it of course she said on twitter she said mass uh this is on the day of the southport

00:02:15.680 killings back in july last year mass deportations now set fire to all the effing hotels full of the

00:02:22.020 bastards for all i care while you're at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them

00:02:26.520 i feel physically sick knowing that these families will now have to endure if that makes me racist then

00:02:32.220 so be it so clearly something said um in the heat of the moment something very stupid because that

00:02:39.380 is incitement to violence and under our current speech codes that does warrant a punishment of

00:02:45.740 some form 31 months though especially given that she deleted it a few hours after because she

00:02:51.780 evidently realized what a stupid thing that was to put out publicly yeah she calmed down 31 months

00:02:57.400 is a bit harsh personally if you're going to punish something like that for incitement to violence i would

00:03:02.560 say maybe a fine is where i would go with it given that as we'll find out as well as i'll show you

00:03:09.140 there are pedophiles in this country who get suspended sentence and don't see a day of prison

00:03:13.900 time and she currently has spent almost a year in there so what and indeed politicians who assault

00:03:18.920 their constituents by the way that's true that was the mike amesbury case as well 10 weeks suspended

00:03:24.280 sentence oh the system works yes the system working as intended punishing people for what they say

00:03:30.260 rather than what they do so again she was jailed at birmingham crown court after pleading guilty

00:03:35.700 she was told she would have to serve 40 percent of her sentence in prison before being released on

00:03:40.100 license that's how the system works at the moment so that means that she's more than halfway through

00:03:45.780 the sentence that she'll have to serve in prison at the very least there's that but giving a written

00:03:50.780 judgment uh the three court of appeal judges said that her principal ground of appeal was substantially

00:03:55.160 based on a version of events put forward by the applicant which we have rejected her husband also

00:03:59.780 rejected calls from local mps for his resignation from north sorry from western northamptonshire council

00:04:05.160 because he's a council member i think a tory council member but he did lose his seat at this

00:04:09.840 year's elections as reform uk took control of the unitary authority he said that lucy posted one nasty

00:04:15.920 tweet when she was very upset and angry about three little girls who were brutally murdered in southport

00:04:20.280 she realized the tweet was wrong and deleted it within four hours well this is the point i think because

00:04:25.020 i think anybody you know on that day anyone could understand the way that she was feeling right

00:04:30.380 because i remember hearing about that news and just you know as everybody was just being

00:04:34.620 distraught basically because it was just such a hideous atrocity i remember a very sinking feeling

00:04:41.360 in my stomach it really hit hard especially as a father myself yeah and and those of us those of us

00:04:47.260 who do spend time online and have a you know an x account like like connelly does um you can see the

00:04:52.560 temptation to tweet something angry and stupid in that moment now it's not advisable to do that but

00:04:56.380 that's what she did and you'd think that the english justice system would be able to make some

00:05:00.040 kind of allowance for that there'd be a kind of a human understanding like look it was a stupid thing

00:05:03.660 to say and maybe you do deserve you know two week community service or a fine or something like that

00:05:09.220 maybe i'm i'm open to that argument but actually it's the coldness and the uh kind of clinical way

00:05:15.200 that she's been dealt with where there's no understanding of that human element of this story

00:05:18.640 that i think is so troubling especially in the context of other far more heinous crimes going

00:05:23.300 effectively unpunished other crimes that were being committed at the same time as this as well

00:05:28.760 this was just another one of those cases like the way the police were hoovering up people who were

00:05:33.040 standing around on the pavement near the protests where the government shouted at the police yeah the

00:05:39.100 government wanted to set an example and they wanted to let people know if you dissent against us this

00:05:43.960 is how we're going to treat you i saw an interesting take as well on this which is that lucy

00:05:47.620 can now be used as a statistic to cite here's the threat of the far right and here's an instance

00:05:52.460 of far right uh crime that someone's now in prison for but there is there is extra context as well

00:05:57.980 which this article uh puts forward which is pretty pretty harrowing basically she has lost a child

00:06:04.460 before her 19 month old son passed away tragically because the nhs did not give him the care that he

00:06:11.000 needed when he was very very ill they dismissed kidney failure i believe yeah they dismissed his illness

00:06:16.080 sent her home and then he died overnight harrowing thing to experience and she herself is also a

00:06:21.300 child minder so she's experienced this kind of thing before has very close contact with children

00:06:26.480 obviously a very caring person so this kind of news is going to affect somebody like this

00:06:31.760 even harsher than it will affect many of the other people who were rightfully upset about the

00:06:37.140 southport murders and following her deleting the initial tweet later on in the week she was tweeting

00:06:42.840 out other things saying uh like basically condemning rioting where she said uh ffs i get that they're

00:06:50.500 angry i'm effing raging however this is playing right into their hands i do not want civil unrest

00:06:54.700 on our streets tommy robinson is not going to say but this is not going to get anyone anywhere

00:06:59.120 protests yes but not riots she also wrote at the end of that week last night was not protesting it

00:07:05.280 was rioting people are playing right into the hands of the establishment and the media we need people

00:07:09.260 to come together intelligently and articulately not riots and then to finish it off she posted i

00:07:14.620 know people are angry but violence is not the answer so she clearly realized that she'd made a stupid

00:07:19.580 mistake backtracked it and tried to give the appropriate message which is again violence was

00:07:25.060 not the answer in response to this and she was right in saying that she was being it was being played

00:07:29.580 into the hands of the establishment that didn't matter none of that mattered none of the extra

00:07:34.440 context mattered stamped immediately with 31 years sorry 31 months she would be excessive yeah would

00:07:40.360 be very excessive she was charged under section 19 of the public order act and also stirring up racial

00:07:46.200 hatred etc and she pled guilty for it as so many did immediately following the arrests because most

00:07:52.840 people would have been like funneled straight into the system and told your best bet is to plead guilty

00:07:58.580 so that they'll reduce your sentence because i believe that she got a bit of a reduced sentence

00:08:03.400 for pleading guilty many of these people probably could have actually got much better sentences or got

00:08:08.280 off if they pursued it but you're in that situation you're intimidated you're scared most of these

00:08:14.120 people are not criminals yeah they don't have any interaction with law enforcement or the judiciary

00:08:19.320 outside of maybe walking past the police officer well yeah exactly but yeah exactly but like no actual

00:08:24.520 like in like knowledge of how the system works uh voice of wales came on the other day and they gave us

00:08:30.520 the example of uh this welsh squaddy who just said i'm not pleading guilty to because he had posted

00:08:36.760 something not this inflammatory admittedly on on twitter or facebook and he was just like no i'm not

00:08:42.120 pleading guilty and so they he made them go through the courts properly and he got off because what he

00:08:46.920 posted was just completely rational and yeah okay don't get me wrong in lucy's case that was more

00:08:52.200 inflammatory but i do agree that you know there's not only mitigating circumstances but the fact that she

00:08:56.200 deleted it very soon after and then was posting don't write don't do yes i mean there are all of

00:09:01.240 these mitigating circumstances that probably could have gotten her a better sentence or maybe no

00:09:06.440 sentence maybe community service or a fine uh best case scenario but she was intimidated she had no

00:09:12.920 idea how to navigate through the system so of course she's gonna she's get told by some guy this is

00:09:17.880 the best you're gonna get don't fight it she's gonna go with it it's very clear that the cold face of

00:09:22.360 the state has been turned against the native british population yeah i do think that the

00:09:27.960 judicial system is one of those things where the complexity of the system is part of the it's kind

00:09:33.240 of part of a strategy point yeah what do they say it's the the process is the punishment type type

00:09:37.880 kind of thing because somebody like lucy connelly why would she have any knowledge of the intricacies

00:09:41.480 of the british judicial system you know if she's told by a figure of authority plead guilty and you get

00:09:46.520 off or you'll get a lighter sentence why wouldn't she and yet you know we've seen how that's turned out

00:09:51.320 far yeah it's purposefully labyrinthine and confusing so that if you as the normal law-abiding

00:09:56.600 citizen gets thrown into it then you have no idea how the the average law-abiding citizen has the

00:10:03.160 underlying assumption that the state is basically on their side and that actually uh if i just follow

00:10:10.200 the procedure because i was well-meaning and i pay my taxes and i obey the law and therefore i'm going

00:10:16.680 to get dealt with fairly yeah and we can see in the case of lucy connelly no the state had an

00:10:21.880 intention with this the intent as kia starmer just came out and just completely flatly said we are

00:10:27.480 going to punish you you are going to jail we are going to make sure you would give you an example

00:10:32.600 that other people when the next tragedy happens will refer back to and say yeah okay maybe i can't

00:10:37.960 do anything because i'll just be oppressed basically yeah and certainly that's what she got the system is

00:10:42.680 not on your side because our independent courts as they are known as are completely captured because

00:10:49.320 the judge who handed down this 31 month sentence literally gave her a little diversity is our

00:10:55.400 strength speech as he declared the sentence he said it is a strength of our society that it is both

00:11:02.360 diverse and inclusive there is always a very small minority of people who will seek an excuse to use

00:11:08.280 violence and disorder causing injury damage loss and fear to wholly innocent members of the public

00:11:12.920 and sentences for those who incite racial hatred and disharmony in our society are intended to both

00:11:18.520 punish and deter so he literally gave the diversity is our strength speech that's what orwell would call

00:11:23.640 duck speak yeah you know just parroting along the state lines interestingly our judiciary is not

00:11:29.080 independent uh we we aren't the united states uh it's all uh part of the same institution which is

00:11:35.160 ultimately flowing from the crown so we don't have independent judges uh well i mean starmer

00:11:42.200 starmer in defending this he said that we do did he yeah rupert lowe stood up in parliament and said

00:11:48.120 does the prime minister agree that imprisoning lucy connolly a young mother with a 12 year old

00:11:52.520 daughter for one foolish social media post soon deleted is clearly not an efficient or fair use of

00:11:57.240 prison fair point to make when also our prisons are almost entirely filled up which is starmer's point

00:12:02.840 yes keir starmer said that sentencing was a matter for our courts and celebrated the independence of

00:12:07.720 the judiciary they're not independent they're i mean i don't know how to say it they're literally not

00:12:12.840 independent well according to start who are you to question keir starmer someone who knows how

00:12:20.360 the british constitution works i think apparently i think you'll find uh keir starmer was uh uh

00:12:24.920 uh which is why this is all the more baffling that he would say that well but he does also say that he's

00:12:31.800 strongly in favor of free speech oh yeah yeah yeah yeah but but also as his revealed preference

00:12:36.440 shows us yeah yeah uh but also again uh rupert lowe himself has written to justice secretary shabana

00:12:44.600 mahmood to demand colonies connolly's release and even some labor mps have started to break ranks

00:12:51.640 yeah regarding this as well this is mary glinden who has said that the 31 month prison sentence handed to

00:12:57.880 her was unduly harsh and that she doesn't pose a threat to the public obviously obviously she

00:13:05.320 doesn't i don't mean to laugh but that's it's it's clownish that that has to be said by an mp but the

00:13:12.360 thing is this labor mp mary here doesn't understand the nature of what is happening right what is

00:13:18.280 happening is the the british public the white british native majority are being expressly told here

00:13:25.160 you will not complain about what happens to you you will not complain about what happens to your

00:13:30.360 country and if you get out of line without the outside of the very tightly prescribed boundaries

00:13:35.000 we're going to come down to you with all of the force of the state all of it and then we'll lie to

00:13:39.640 your face and say this is independent and you know ideologically neutral and all these other sort of

00:13:44.280 nonsense catchphrases they use it's just not true you are being oppressed by your own government

00:13:49.400 that's what this is it's the the language of institutional democracy to make sure that you

00:13:54.200 think that this is all just a nice neutral abstract system that runs by itself yeah but uh on the whole

00:14:00.920 point of no threat to the public that this is unduly harsh um in response to all of this the

00:14:05.800 telegraph puts out this interesting article talking about the rapists pedophiles and terror offenders

00:14:10.760 given shorter sentences than lucy connelly so she got 31 months for a tweet what examples do the

00:14:17.080 telegraph give of people who've done far worse before we go on okay let's just cast our minds

00:14:22.440 back to shortly after kia starmer became prime minister where he decided to basically open the

00:14:26.920 prisons and within 24 hours several of them had re-offended already big surprise right yeah he he

00:14:33.000 let out actual criminals and murderers yeah and it's okay right why did you do that kit well the

00:14:38.920 prisons are overflowing and the conservatives left us with the prison population that the prisons are

00:14:43.240 about fail any day now was their line and so okay what now well lucy connelly has to go to jail all

00:14:49.320 these southport riders have to go to jail even though most of them actually didn't do very much

00:14:53.640 there's a handful of them who try and set fire to the bins and hotels to the hotels yeah okay those

00:14:59.960 you know someone who threw a brick at the police okay yeah fine but there were loads and loads of

00:15:04.120 people who basically just posted things on social media always shouting from the sidelines and just

00:15:08.280 grabbed arrested they needed to pump the numbers up so that the media could have a nice field day

00:15:12.920 talking about how violent they were look at all these arrests that were made people reading them

00:15:17.640 will just get shocked by the sheer number 24 hour courts going to process them and it's like right

00:15:23.000 so you just be aware the system is against you that is just the thing to take from yes i think by

00:15:28.840 the way that there are plans to release more prisoners this time sex offenders and domestic abusers

00:15:33.000 that'll be nice to have those people i think part of the yeah part of the reason for the chemical

00:15:37.400 castration um is that they are thinking of releasing these people and apparently

00:15:41.880 it reduces recidivism on sex offenders by 60 is that it i do i was going to say i would have

00:15:48.920 thought it would be more as well but i think it's basic i i think what they mean by chemical castration

00:15:53.800 is that they pump them full of hormones to reduce their sex drive right but it's not permanent though

00:15:58.680 right no i don't believe so that's interesting but i do sort of enjoy if you want to prevent rapists

00:16:03.880 and murderers from repeat offending i have a much more permanent solution but that's not been

00:16:09.240 allowed in the england for a while that was banned in 1964 unfortunately i am sort of enjoying the

00:16:13.400 kind of the schizophrenia i mean enjoying is probably the wrong word to use but like the

00:16:16.680 schizophrenia of this uh labor government is just like amusing to watch from afar because on the one

00:16:21.240 hand it's all you know the diversity is our strength stuff we're hearing and then on the other

00:16:24.280 it's cast you know chemically castrating sex offenders and putting prisoners to work

00:16:28.280 let's break down the demographics on that yeah is that a racist policy here because i think it might

00:16:34.120 turn out to be yeah but also the the hardline anti-immigrant deport them all uh rhetoric we're

00:16:39.080 coming for you yeah exactly it's like yeah we're coming for you we're going to deport you or castrate

00:16:43.240 you it's like jesus christ yeah and the thing is they're trying to play for the daily mail readers

00:16:48.040 100 but it's it's absolutely not working that's the thing like kirsten has never been lower in the

00:16:52.440 polls and they did a you gov poll um that broke down by uh party affiliation or intentional voting

00:16:59.480 and uh 50 of reform voters polled realized that kirsten was trying to win them over but only four

00:17:05.400 percent like yeah i might consider it so it's not working people know what you're doing yeah

00:17:09.560 well i think people can hear the words they can see you saying the words but it's whether they

00:17:16.040 believe you're actually going to follow through well and this raises the question of whether

00:17:19.080 starmer is actually going to last until 29 and i don't buy necessarily that he will because i think

00:17:23.160 that as mad as this might sound i think you could sell angela rayner saying these things to the general

00:17:29.240 public more effectively than you can you know north london human rights like kia starmer she's got a

00:17:33.400 little bit of that common touch about her as much as people don't like her she's not a detestable

00:17:37.000 person yeah exactly and i saw a story yesterday that said that she's positioning herself in that kind

00:17:42.200 of way so i don't think she's a best and brightest or anything but like you know the problem with that is

00:17:47.960 uh alternatively i can take kia starmer seriously sure yeah i cannot take angela rayner seriously on

00:17:56.520 a pure aesthetic level angela rayner is clearly a council estate i want to say it but i won't say

00:18:04.840 it uh kia starmer whatever you want to say about the man's morals or history i've said plenty uh he is

00:18:11.560 a serious individual who has a track record behind him of getting things done terrible and yeah terrible

00:18:17.160 things yes but he's got things done and the british ship of state needs somebody in charge who gets

00:18:23.640 things done he's a blairite for a reason he has that behind it for a reason uh but anyway but back

00:18:30.040 onto this so here's just some of the examples of people who got better sentences than lucy connelly

00:18:35.400 uh so hugh edwards everybody's favorite disgraced bbc presenter yeah yeah i mean

00:18:40.920 need you say well yeah yeah bbc presenter yeah yeah tautological isn't it uh yeah so he had indecent

00:18:48.360 pictures of children quite a lot of them some of them very young suspended six month sentence

00:18:55.400 jack davies got the images i believe off of the same person that hugh edwards got his images off of

00:19:01.560 and also had class a drugs on him at the same time suspended 12 month sentence has this guy another bbc

00:19:07.240 presenter um no i can't tell but he did argue that he should get the same treatment as a bbc

00:19:12.680 presenter of course he and i were the same you see yeah well they are yeah child rapist oh suspended

00:19:19.560 two-year sentence why uh i mean why why why do i ask why do i ask yeah and then he breached the terms

00:19:26.520 of his sentence by flying to egypt without notifying officers and then he had avoided jail again

00:19:31.560 the judge said the only reason you have escaped immediate custody is because of the prison overcrowding

00:19:41.400 crisis lucy connelly in his place or something i would only assume so because look he was convicted

00:19:46.440 in august of 2024 the month of all of the mass arrests so presumably they they needed the prisons

00:19:53.400 were in more need of putting lucy connelly behind bars yelling racist slurs at the police so you're

00:19:59.480 gonna have to go free ironically rapist she is a greater threat to them than than a child yeah

00:20:05.160 i suppose domestic abuser suspended 21 month sentence and 10 year restraining order but okay

00:20:13.160 doctor with child abuse images mansoor khan suspended sentence eight months eight months another rapist with

00:20:21.880 uh um a suspended sentence big surprise eh oh he got yeah yeah swindon rapist walks free but he got 43

00:20:31.240 days in a sex offending program nikki chopra and ordered to pay 187 pounds oh wow so finally the

00:20:38.680 state has been reimbursed for your rape thank you very much sir and um and this man charles cannon who

00:20:46.520 actually was by the looks of it planning on performing some terror domestic terrorism

00:20:52.680 collected documents on how to make homemade explosives and weapons and did a lot of fed posting

00:20:57.720 a lot of fed posting also suspended sentence so this guy this guy this guy get a suspended

00:21:03.560 sentence because he's he's a right-wing terrorist yeah by the looks of it certainly so but apparently

00:21:10.600 gets a suspended sentence despite the fact that yeah lucy connelly fed posted but it's not like she

00:21:15.240 actually had plans on how to yeah that is wild sometimes it just seems like it might just be

00:21:23.880 well obviously with lucy connelly it was the environment given the situation and it might just

00:21:28.760 be look of the draw with the judge as well yeah yeah yeah because they're all so independent uh but

00:21:34.200 one of the other interesting things i just want to end on regarding this is just to just to clear up

00:21:39.080 that whatever you may think of lucy connelly she's definitely not an actual racist um she just seems

00:21:46.040 like a bit of a normie she might be a tommy robinson fan like center-right normie type uh because there's

00:21:53.000 now reports come out since her appeal was denied which have upset some people uh that she helped a nigerian

00:22:00.840 family become british citizens by sponsoring them uh dr henny enyi said the childminder had gone out of

00:22:08.040 her way to help with her family's application for british citizenship even providing character

00:22:12.680 references and this is also tied to the fact that part of the news media is now going with

00:22:16.760 the ones that support her saying that a lot of the children that she cares for as part of her

00:22:21.240 childminding job are of african and asian heritage so at least she was sponsoring a doctor yeah yeah i

00:22:28.520 suppose yeah i suppose there was that but i do find it interesting that she's just a very very normie

00:22:35.480 person who probably is just against mass migration she even sponsors these people

00:22:40.040 but because of how horrific the situation was last year it just tipped her over the edge into fed

00:22:45.400 posting it's crazy how unjust this is yeah absolutely crazy and uh yeah this is this is just how the

00:22:50.440 british state works we also have that old middle east eye article showing us that the next time that

00:22:55.320 this will happen they will do the same things over and over and over again anything to manage the

00:23:00.200 the perception the media response to a crisis rather than actually handling the origin of the

00:23:06.440 crisis solving the problem in the first place they don't want to do that so this is the system working

00:23:13.480 uh brain biscuit says to my american eyes the lesson of persecution of connolly is that the british

00:23:17.400 government has the position that its citizens are not allowed to be angry about murders of particular

00:23:21.720 groups of people uh it's more by particular groups of people yeah actually you're allowed to be

00:23:26.600 angry about george floyd happening all the way across the atlantic ocean as long as an american

00:23:30.920 cop has killed a black man in america go and protest and burn things down as much as you like

00:23:35.560 apparently um but anyway yeah that's not our advice yeah no that's the that's our assessment of what

00:23:40.920 the british state thinks and the drunk changeling says the police put another weight on the pressure

00:23:44.520 cooker and congratulate themselves on the job well done uh yeah but the thing is you've got to remember

00:23:48.280 that the police are hardly our best and brightest so um yeah what are you gonna do anyway so let's uh i

00:23:54.600 thought we were talking about something a little more cheery which is uh marco rubio because marco

00:23:59.160 rubio has revealed himself to be something of a dark horse uh and nobody really saw this coming

00:24:04.200 because marco rubio as far as i was aware was just some rhino yeah who was just some normie republican

00:24:11.800 you know i agree with the left on basically everything iconic kind of character yeah just just

00:24:19.240 very normal yeah i've never paid much attention frankly i hadn't paid that much attention to him because

00:24:24.120 he just everything i'd seen was him just the cookie cutter republican safe you know like narrative

00:24:30.440 yeah i was sort of think romney commenters have a lot more knowledge of him but sure looking from

00:24:35.240 across the ocean there were always much more interesting and notable american politicians take

00:24:39.960 note of he just seemed very bland and very uninteresting uh and so i mean you may remember that uh

00:24:47.640 back in 2015 when trump said you know what i'm gonna do it uh and everyone freaked out about it i mean

00:24:53.720 after trump was like you know the the mexico sending us people have a lot of problems they're

00:24:57.800 bringing those problems to us they bring drugs we're in crime they're rapists and uh marco rubio said

00:25:03.720 quote trump's comments are not just offensive and inaccurate but also divisive

00:25:07.960 so on the normie republican narrative with that back then and they were they were enemies at the time

00:25:14.200 so of course he's gonna i'll go through oh yeah yeah so i mean like that wasn't the other thing

00:25:18.520 he called donald trump a con artist called him embarrassing called him the most vulgar person

00:25:23.960 to ever aspire to the presidency and it was marco rubio who coined the uh small hands thing i think

00:25:29.160 as well uh but yeah like command blah blah blah we can't let him take over the reagan and conservative

00:25:35.480 movement and so it's like right okay that was pretty normie like pretty mainstream center right republican

00:25:44.040 talking points boring really uninspiring and so it was nice when donald trump smacked him down

00:25:50.840 obviously marco rubio is a total lightweight who i wouldn't hire to run one of my smaller companies

00:25:56.920 highly overrated politician was uh one thing called him uh sweaty called him a puppet called him a nasty

00:26:04.040 guy although for some reason facebook won't let's see that but uh and of course calls him little marco

00:26:09.720 uh and so this uh yeah this was a strange thing how little marco then became kind of one of trump's

00:26:19.880 closest friends and best buddies uh which was interesting so basically um marco had been

00:26:26.520 ingratiating himself into the trump circle after trump won the nomination and uh after he uh declared for

00:26:34.280 2024 and trump passed over him for jd vance and so instead of uh acting like a salty

00:26:42.360 bitch uh rubio was like okay well i'm just going to work harder i'm going to double down and i'm going

00:26:47.640 to get the job done and so he and trump actually started working amicably on shared policy goals

00:26:54.200 and trump realized okay he took the the sort of you know the the public ribbing quite well uh gave his

00:27:02.280 gave as good as he got and okay so marco rubio uh basically starts getting a bunch of big jobs he's

00:27:08.680 now top diplomat foreign aid chief national archivist and national security advisor uh and so he's doing

00:27:15.240 a lot for trump and it just shows you trump's magnanimity doesn't it does doesn't it yeah and

00:27:21.160 the fact that if you can take it on the chin trump will respect he likes it yeah exactly king approves

00:27:26.680 exactly uh and so marco rubio has been absolutely scrapping with democrats and i won't play this one

00:27:33.880 because it's about four minutes long it goes on but i'm going to play a bunch of clips that are just

00:27:38.760 okay i didn't realize you had this in you marco and i'm loving it so you've got this uh first one

00:27:44.760 about usaid where uh marco rubio is just like no everything that elon musk did with usaid is good

00:27:50.040 and we need to do more i have to tell you directly and personally that i regret

00:27:53.640 turn that up a bit uh secretary of state sorry i yield back i respond you may sit well first of

00:28:00.120 all this one very well but um i think it went down in volume for me yeah yeah that went the wrong way

00:28:05.080 i think but uh yeah no so as you can see here quote i'm very proud of what we've done with usaid

00:28:10.440 i don't regret cutting 10 million dollars for male circumcisions in mozambique

00:28:15.480 yeah good why would you be doing that we spent 227 000 for big cats youtube channel from usaid we

00:28:22.600 spent 14 million from social cohesion in mali whatever the hell that means so i can go on

00:28:26.920 and on i got the list here and there's more i didn't even bring the whole list i don't know

00:28:30.440 how this makes us stronger and more prosperous as a nation well i can't explain how male circumcisions

00:28:36.120 in mozambique make america stronger i have to admit it's something to do with um inclusivity and

00:28:42.040 diversity which we know democracy surely so in like an rpg sense like diversity inclusivity is always

00:28:49.160 like a plus 10 buff to strength that's how they seem to treat it so if you're doing that and it's

00:28:54.440 more diverse then you're buffing your strength somehow i i guess you must be uh and then let's

00:28:59.560 not forget during covid as well the british government was doing very similar things to

00:29:04.120 funding the youtube channels remember i think it was philosophy tube and a number of other of the

00:29:09.320 bread tube lefty channels were getting government funding from the british government to spread covid

00:29:15.080 propaganda yeah i would have done it you know how much care you're all you're always looking for

00:29:20.680 that big sellout paycheck that never comes on i know you know i'm constantly being told we're

00:29:26.200 being funded by israel but i'm like but i've never received a check i would have more bedrooms

00:29:31.240 than i do if we were yeah exactly by israel right uh but then you've got marco rubio on foreign

00:29:35.560 aid which is again just highly strong yes we cancelled a bunch of contracts in usa id some were

00:29:41.000 stupid and outrageous others didn't serve the national interest and others we kept and we are

00:29:46.040 folding it under the department of state and you know why because we want it to be part of the

00:29:51.000 toolbox of foreign policy not a standalone it is not charity foreign aid is not charity it is designed

00:29:58.040 to further the national interest of the united states totally solid yeah it's amazing the way that

00:30:04.520 trump is like terraforming the republican party people like rubio who as you said were just rhinos

00:30:09.640 before you know conservatives um who are now basically i mean they sound like him they sound

00:30:14.120 like trump yeah it's great hardline nativists at this point and it gets better frankly uh so rubio

00:30:21.880 going on about immigration and just being like no no no no no no look you understand it's our immigration

00:30:27.080 policy not yours our immigration policy should be based on the national interest of the united states

00:30:32.120 period end of story if there is a subset of people that are easier to vet who we have a better

00:30:36.440 understanding of who they are and what they're going to do when they come here they're going to

00:30:39.480 receive preference no doubt about it there are a lot of sad stories around the world millions and

00:30:43.560 millions of people around the world it's heartbreaking we cannot assume millions and millions of people

00:30:47.560 around the world no country can so you have to have a process of deciding who do you prioritize who do

00:30:52.920 you allow in we do it all the time we do it in our immigration system now under our current laws

00:30:57.400 unfortunately it's primarily based on family connection and not on what they're going to contribute

00:31:01.480 toward to the society from a merit standpoint that should be changed but that'll require

00:31:05.880 statutory changes but the bottom line is this notion that somehow we have to accept anyone who

00:31:11.320 wants to come to the united states is absurd no country in the world has an immigration policy like

00:31:16.440 that well we do yeah but but again look notice that what he's doing that is explicitly carving out

00:31:23.240 we if if a group is easier to vet such as say i don't know south african refugees then we're going

00:31:28.840 to take them much more easily than just randos from around the world who are just clamoring to get in

00:31:32.840 i love that he keeps using that phrase national interest as well yeah you know because that's

00:31:35.880 such a you know you think that's such a sort of politiciany type phrase but it's not one you hear

00:31:39.000 our leaders use you never hear keir starmer talk about british britain's national interest you know

00:31:43.160 chagos immigration on an international scale there is such a thing as a national interest yeah when we

00:31:48.920 had the empire we had national interests that we were spreading internationally yes so it is a

00:31:54.760 completely legitimate political term to use like you say we just don't use it anymore because our in our

00:32:00.760 national interests are giving away our things to the the global south but i love that i love that

00:32:05.480 he's he's talking about every apparatus of the state as being a tool to further the national

00:32:09.960 interest whether that's foreign foreign aid or immigration which is obviously the correct way to

00:32:13.960 look at it but again our leaders don't look at it like that and it it's been many years since i've heard

00:32:19.160 someone speaking so clearly and forthrightly about what the purpose of government is yeah which is to

00:32:25.160 advance the national interest using the tools at their disposal for the advantage of the american

00:32:29.640 people and not i don't know the international doctrine of human rights or whatever well it's

00:32:33.880 interesting to pair this up with the south african government's announcement regarding the

00:32:38.360 the boer refuge refugees going to america because one of the things that they put in there that was

00:32:43.160 interesting that people mainly highlighted the fact that they were saying oh we're going to we're

00:32:47.720 not punishing them we're making them pay for historic injustice yeah but one of the other things that

00:32:53.880 they said that was very interesting was that they said that um this is promoting right-wing ideas

00:33:01.240 and this goes against the letter and spirit of international law so really that's an interesting

00:33:06.440 mask off man that was very interesting because basically what it says is that and i think this

00:33:10.840 is absolutely true since 1948 and the un being established international law has basically been a

00:33:17.160 resource extraction mechanism from western nations to the third world i mean that's literally what

00:33:22.760 keir starmer is giving away the chagos islands for it's just social justice so so this kind of

00:33:28.040 thing where you're reframing national interest to be actually national interest and let and instead of

00:33:33.080 let's just give away our stuff to crying non-white people um yeah that does go against the international

00:33:39.560 order and by the way you know i had a recent experience uh where i raised the idea of national interest

00:33:44.440 on lbc as you as may know um and it you know every single other person in the room from the snp communist to

00:33:49.800 the tory was saying how dare you speak in the language of you know they didn't literally say

00:33:53.320 but they were effectively saying how dare you speak in the language of national interest and

00:33:57.080 i and i quite in the language of mustache men yeah well it's not though is it like it's it's the

00:34:02.120 language of every normal state yeah prior to 1948 yeah but that's for you just being somehow

00:34:07.000 you know outside the realms of acceptable discourse it's mad we're liberal global internationalists says

00:34:11.880 ian dale yeah conservative uh and that says all doesn't it but that's the thing you know snp

00:34:18.200 communist radical ian dale conservative like how could you sir yeah remarkable but anyway which is

00:34:23.640 why it's so gratifying to see the literal american government speaking yeah exactly you know not just

00:34:28.280 trump but also you know trump's agents in every place it's like no no no this is the way it's going

00:34:32.680 to be yeah and this this is another great one right because as you can see here he's being

00:34:37.720 interrogated uh by a lady saying you revoked uh a woman a foreign woman's student visa and mark

00:34:43.560 ruby was like yeah we did and we're going to do more student was a guest in the united states on a

00:34:47.480 student visa no one's entitled to a student visa so you revoked her student visa based on an op-ed

00:34:53.640 which trumps the supreme law of the land which is the constitution someone's coming up here to

00:34:58.120 stir up problems on our campus we're going to revoke their she didn't do any of that

00:35:01.000 sorry okay don't worry but the point is don't worry the the point is in this this woman is

00:35:10.120 horrifically outraged oh how could you and rubio just goes into it and he's just like listen uh

00:35:15.880 can we get yeah he's just like listen um she was over here on a student visa in order to study and

00:35:22.840 instead she decided she was going to join a radical left-wing organization and start protesting and causing

00:35:27.080 trouble and so yeah no we're going to revoke student visas for people who come here and cause trouble

00:35:31.800 and we're going to do more we're going to keep doing it's not your human right to be in the united

00:35:35.480 states and that's literally what he says you have no constitutional right to a visa there we go yeah

00:35:41.000 exactly correct uh no go away it's completely within the jurisdiction of the trump administration

00:35:47.160 say no not that person sorry get out and then you've got more like this where he's this is a long

00:35:52.840 one so i won't play it but basically he reiterates again the the the point you are a guest in our

00:35:58.840 country and in fact he says if you invite me into your home and i start putting mud on your couch and

00:36:02.600 spray paint your kitchen i bet you're going to kick me out we're going to do the same thing if you come

00:36:06.680 to the us as a visitor and create a ruckus for us i encourage every country to do that it's like yes

00:36:12.840 why not what what is the argument against this sorry you can't kick them out for causing trouble and like

00:36:18.440 you know burning down campuses whatever it is they're doing it's like yeah no we can whereas

00:36:23.480 once again so you know compare it to our situation our leaders when they are confronted with a situation

00:36:27.400 where a guest is putting mud on the couch and spray painting the kitchen will get out the fine china

00:36:31.080 and say do you want to throw these at the wall yeah exactly it's crazy yeah uh so anyway yeah rubio

00:36:36.280 not having any of it and he keeps going uh and so you've got this hopefully we can hear this one

00:36:40.760 this is really good in the case of el salvador absolutely cannot hear this absolutely we deported

00:36:46.120 gang members so basically you feel the vibrations of it through the wall and that guy is a human

00:36:52.120 um basically in this one he's saying that look the judicial branch can just shut its goddamn mouth

00:36:57.880 right because of course the trump administration's like look we're going to deport a bunch of gang

00:37:02.120 members who are here illegally and the courts have been trying to intercede in this and rubio is just

00:37:06.920 saying no no no no listen the courts don't get to decide our foreign policy or domestic policy when it

00:37:12.760 comes to illegal immigrants they just don't get to decide this and you can see he's just not taking

00:37:17.800 their shit yeah he's just like no this is how it's going to be because we're the ones who got elected

00:37:22.760 and you aren't yeah uh time yeah no it's it's absolutely about time there's another one where

00:37:28.280 the pope came out and was like well is it catholic to deport illegal immigrants and uh you know

00:37:34.280 are you going to be compassionate and rubio's like listen you're not a political figure you're you're

00:37:38.840 you're a spiritual figure and there's nothing compassionate about illegal immigrants now

00:37:42.360 marco rubio is a floridian cuban so i'm guessing he's catholic so come out and be like yeah i

00:37:47.720 actually don't care about what the pope says about this you could ask the spanish during the reconquista

00:37:52.120 as well well was it very catholic of them well i mean to be yes considering what they were up against

00:37:59.160 maybe uh the aztecs were pretty awful and they were pagans so i was more talking about the re uh the

00:38:05.880 reconquista oh what in the uh iberian peninsula oh right right oh yeah um well yeah i mean i would

00:38:11.880 say so but yeah i'm not a catholic am i uh but the the point being is that rubio has been completely

00:38:17.720 strong on all of these points and he's making moral arguments against their attempt to moral shame

00:38:23.080 rather than being just a standard conservative goes oh good point i'd literally have no principles

00:38:27.400 of moral arguments well it's just why because i'm a catholic right and it's just wild to me that he's

00:38:31.000 being presented with this argument that somehow just being vague nice in a really vague way

00:38:35.640 it's somehow good christian literally right and yet well actually you know a lot of christianity

00:38:40.280 you're sure there's a you know the mercy side of christianity is what people think of but actually

00:38:43.640 there's a pretty substantial justice side of christianity as well people don't understand

00:38:47.320 that what jesus was actually preaching was a form of social justice circa about 2016 so right just took

00:38:52.760 us a few years to catch up yeah yeah uh so yeah like again he's just going on and i think that the

00:38:59.160 best one was this one which i'm not going to try playing so just be disappointed but uh he's arguing with

00:39:05.080 senator tim kaine so you know democrat grandee about the south african refugees coming and tim

00:39:11.080 kaine is trying to accuse him of being a racist and marco rubio is just not having any of it and

00:39:17.080 so he says you know you are you saying you've got a different standard based upon the color of

00:39:20.760 somebody's skin and rubio says i'm not the one arguing that apparently you are because you don't

00:39:24.840 like the fact that they are white and yeah i mean that's the bombshell because it's so it's so

00:39:31.160 refreshing to hear a conservative figure not going i promise i'm not racist yeah exactly he wasn't

00:39:36.120 like oh no i'm not racist he's like no you just hate the fact that they're white yeah and tim kaine's

00:39:40.120 got nothing in response to this because he does hate the fact they're white and that that is a good

00:39:44.200 reframing of it as well because yeah well yep obviously you have double standards yeah i don't

00:39:49.080 take lectures from people who just hate people because they're white because these people are in

00:39:53.240 genuine danger of being murdered in a horrific way through racial grievance so yeah we're taking

00:40:00.280 them in because it seems to be the moral thing to do and it's just again i didn't realize rubio

00:40:05.880 would have it in him of all people uh so superb and uh there was this uh one that was again uh just

00:40:12.920 absolutely brilliant just not taking the s right as uh senator chris here it's like look i voted for you

00:40:18.920 and i regret voting for you to be secretary of state and rubio's like you regretting voting for

00:40:23.080 me confirms i'm doing a good job uh completely unapologetic about all of this uh and so

00:40:30.440 absolutely superb absolutely superb i just wanted to give rubio headpats for all i just want to say

00:40:34.840 this chap is the uh or he used to be the chair of the democratic senatorial campaign committee so he's

00:40:39.640 a big democrat and if he's saying that he regrets voting for rubio then yeah it's a pretty good sign

00:40:44.200 oh no my enemies hate me but that's the thing right he didn't think rubio was his enemy no right

00:40:50.440 interesting i i a democrat i'm going to vote for you because i think you're a one of us a little

00:40:54.840 controllable you know uniparty republican and rubio has actually come swinging out of the gates

00:41:00.360 being like listen all you white hating freaks get out of my country i regret voting for you it's like

00:41:06.760 good that means i'm doing something right do you know what this makes me wonder as well is just about

00:41:10.520 you know conservatives in general in this country for example is how many of them are

00:41:14.040 waiting for a trump figure to emerge so that they can do a rubio and come out the gates and

00:41:18.280 start saying this sort of thing i've been told by people who know a lot of who have a lot of

00:41:22.520 contacts on the inside that the tory and reform establishment is absolutely filled with people

00:41:28.360 who think that they are the based one on the inside so totally totally there is an appetite for

00:41:34.920 it that somehow they're never the mps yeah just they're just not the mps and they're not the ones in

00:41:39.160 the position of power yeah although there are there are conservative mps that i think it looks like

00:41:43.240 they're sort of in a way breaking ranks like katie lamb is one who comes to mind who's been

00:41:46.600 incredibly strong on all of this sort of stuff recently but but no it is it is something that

00:41:52.520 i wonder but the thing is then i wonder well how is it that you can just sit there quietly and allow

00:41:58.040 them to constantly trash your party trash everything about the country and be like okay maybe i'll

00:42:03.480 do it tomorrow i mean like what you know just a back but it's just a question of back yeah the time

00:42:07.640 was yesterday or now or just immediately i suppose what happened with rupert lowe was a nice wider

00:42:14.440 message to spread to all the rest of them as well which is if if you push a little bit too hard uh

00:42:19.240 we'll get the police involved we'll get you arrested over trumped up charges yeah but yeah but the thing is

00:42:25.800 like we just need some people who just kind of come out and be unapologetic just like yeah no if you if

00:42:30.680 you're not happy that means i'm happy and i'm doing a good job yeah um anyway so uh neo and realist

00:42:35.720 says rubio started out as one of the first tea party people elected he softened when he got into

00:42:39.320 the senate but since 2016 he came out as one of trump's florida mafia insiders often seated behind

00:42:44.360 trump uh besides trump yeah i know it's been great and uh the engaged few says look i don't care what

00:42:48.760 caused rubio's transformation from mincing metrosexual fop to secretary slap a hoe populist foreign policy

00:42:54.440 firebrand i'm just glad it happened yeah me too i know i like a lot of people just not really uh paying

00:42:59.960 attention to just how much he's coming out and just slugging them metaphorically in the face and

00:43:04.680 i wanted to yes anyway let's move on could i grab the uh you can yeah that's that that is interesting

00:43:10.280 i didn't know that he was a tea party guy to begin with though so it seems like he let himself get

00:43:15.160 swept up by the washington establishment yeah time there and then trump has just fundamentally

00:43:21.160 changed what washington establishment is yeah yeah yeah so last time i was on the show i discussed the

00:43:27.640 emergence of the post woke left and i'd like to continue in that vein because i think there's a

00:43:31.480 lot more to say i specifically would like to talk about how the post woke left some of the figures

00:43:35.880 that i uh discussed last time are approaching the topic of immigration right which is the most

00:43:39.960 pressing issue of our time in britain it's by far uh the most important issue to the majority of the

00:43:44.680 public um as dozens i don't know about dozens but many many uh polls show it's hugely important it

00:43:49.960 has been for a long time because the british british public has been so poorly served by their

00:43:53.640 leaders even on lefty polls like you go totally sort of self-selecting left biased polls yes indeed

00:43:59.720 still the most important issue yes so before we begin in that's in that sort of vein i'd like to

00:44:03.480 promote this event which i am running alongside eric kaufman titled is woke dead with matt goodwin

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00:44:17.560 coming so let's begin um i want to present five uh marxist arguments against mass immigration okay

00:44:25.160 because i think that it's important that we learn from our enemies it's important that we uh take what

00:44:28.840 we can from their ideas and i think using their language against them i've done this myself it

00:44:33.400 caused them to just sort of short circuit they don't know how to come back against it when you

00:44:37.240 reveal them to be actually agents of the establishment and not the radicals that they like

00:44:42.040 to imagine themselves as um so i want to begin with a letter that karl marx himself wrote to uh

00:44:48.760 two of his collaborators in the united states siegfried meyer and august wacht um in 1870

00:44:55.400 in which he speaks of the impact of irish immigration uh to england so he says that owing to the constantly

00:45:00.360 increasing concentration of leaseholds ireland constantly sends her own surplus to the english

00:45:05.400 labor market and thus forces down wages and lowers the material and moral position of the english

00:45:10.920 working class and most importantly of all every industrial and commercial center in england now

00:45:15.960 possesses a working class divided into two hostile camps english proletarians and irish proletarians

00:45:21.720 the ordinary english worker hates the irish worker as a competitor who lowers his standard of his

00:45:25.960 standard of life and in relation to the irish worker he regards himself as a member of the ruling

00:45:29.960 nation and consequently he becomes a tool of the english aristocrats and capitalists against ireland

00:45:34.680 thus strengthening their domination over himself this antagonism is artificially kept alive and

00:45:39.160 intensified by the press the pulpit the comic papers in short by all the means at the disposal

00:45:43.880 of the ruling classes this antagonism is the secret of the of the input impotence of the english

00:45:49.320 working class despite its organization it is the secret by which the capitalist class maintains its

00:45:54.440 power and the latter is quite aware of this so there's a quite a bit to unpack there good points

00:45:58.760 though yeah but there's some there's some real truth in there i mean obviously it's all couched in

00:46:02.280 the language of you know the english working class have a false conscience and they need to break out

00:46:06.200 of it yeah but but actually a lot of what he says there is is totally spot on and very applicable

00:46:10.600 today so the first argument we're going to look at is the fact that mass immigration is a weapon

00:46:14.920 of capital against labor so in 2017 uh here as reported by politico um business the business group

00:46:21.000 london first um was lobbying the government in the aftermath of brexit for an increasing increasingly

00:46:26.760 liberal uh immigration policies after leaving the european you make sense why they're called london first

00:46:31.400 well i was going to say that i think it's quite you know the fact they're called london first is just

00:46:35.080 quite revealing isn't it now boris yeah so so london first is now called business london and we can

00:46:40.840 see some of their members here so we've got uh you know various sort of property groups real

00:46:45.000 estate groups uh financial services organizations and then huge yeah huge companies like deloitte

00:46:49.480 and of course uber's on there right yeah uh yeah london gatwick airport and and all the rest of it

00:46:55.080 um you know these are not these are not like communist organizations this is capital right this is the

00:46:59.800 capital international capital yes indeed and these were the people in 2017 lobbying for an increased

00:47:05.400 that's sort of a more liberal yeah immigration system um we also have the boss just as a stop

00:47:11.240 on that because i i've i've had these arguments with leftists on twitter so many times it's not

00:47:16.520 the immigrants it's the business owners and it's like there is really no distinction between those

00:47:20.840 two because who do you think the business owners are using against the natives you fool yes exactly

00:47:26.600 exactly and this is the point and this is really what i'm going to be driving at here is that the

00:47:29.960 idea that mass immigration is some kind of uh marxist plot is just i think it's just nonsensical

00:47:35.960 it's you know the language of progressivism and kind of liberalism is used to sell it to the masses as

00:47:41.880 it being a kind of compassionate thing that people should embrace but actually the people who are

00:47:46.040 really benefiting at the end of the day are people like this chap the boss of next who in 2022

00:47:51.960 was uh urging the government to let more foreign workers in to ease labor shortages um now at the

00:47:56.760 time i mean he was again he was another brexitee he's a conservative he's a conservative peer and yet

00:48:01.160 he's one of the foremost architects of the current immigration system that we have because at the

00:48:05.560 time when he was saying this um net migration was sitting at about 239 000 a year it's like oh

00:48:11.080 imagine it and that's still mad and of course he was a tory peer i i hate the phrase labor shortages

00:48:17.320 as well because there's no shortage of labor we've never had more population in this country

00:48:21.880 yeah ever before yeah uh cheap later labor shortages perhaps yeah yeah that's yeah exactly uh you know

00:48:27.160 the who was it the other day was complaining that 25 oh it's um fraser nelson was like 25 of birmingham

00:48:32.200 is on benefits so yeah there's no labor shortage it's just we are incentivizing people not to work

00:48:36.920 yes yes exactly um so obviously you know it was revealed yesterday that uh gross migration is now

00:48:41.800 a million with net being half a million so i hope uh lord wolfson is happy and just just to be clear

00:48:46.600 like i i covered this yesterday like the the if you look at the graph gross migration of a million

00:48:52.760 is unprecedented prior to the boris wave yeah if you take the boris wave out of this a net migration of

00:48:57.880 nearly half a million is record-breaking migration into this country yeah yeah so it's just the boris

00:49:03.240 wave makes that look less damaging but they're still it's still insane but i think i think that they

00:49:08.600 are relying on the public having a short memory on this topic but i don't think they do because you

00:49:12.600 can see it around you yeah you look at the high streets yeah so so just to drive home this point

00:49:16.600 then that mass immigration is a weapon of capital against labor it's it's very easily shown that

00:49:21.000 mass immigration suppresses wages by you know supply and demand you inflate the workforce and especially

00:49:25.320 when you introduce uh people from regions of the world that are impoverished like for example india and

00:49:30.360 nigeria who are the two most common non-eu nationalities to come in the last five years um you know india for

00:49:36.040 example the average salary yearly salary is three and a half thousand pounds okay and so why wouldn't those

00:49:41.000 people come here when when the economic prospects are so much better um and so i mean there's also

00:49:46.760 they're not only willing to work for less money they're willing to work in worse conditions for

00:49:50.680 longer hours as well what you're actually opening up is your domestic labor force to competition with

00:49:56.440 international slave labor yeah yeah yeah exactly and you can't compete with international slave labor

00:50:01.480 that's a quick thing on this as well it's it's not like leftists haven't historically made this

00:50:05.720 argument of course yeah jeremy corbyn was making this argument 30 years ago yeah so he became there's

00:50:10.360 something about being a woke liberal globalist that the they use the language of marxism to go

00:50:15.720 full universal globalism yeah and the marxists are completely hamstrung by it because you've got

00:50:21.080 you've got people like uh peter kropotkin in the conquest of bread who points out look the the wealth of

00:50:26.280 the capitalist comes from the poverty of the laborer because if he wasn't impoverished he wouldn't work

00:50:32.280 in these slave conditions for the international capitalists and so you must you know any any kind of

00:50:38.680 immigration argument it's if if you're looking at your own population saying right they're actually

00:50:43.320 not poor enough to work in this kind of deep you know embarrassingly subsistence position yeah yeah we

00:50:49.880 will just import people who know nothing else as competition for them you can't possibly say that

00:50:55.800 that's in in any way good for the country for the people there's just no argument for and george

00:51:01.160 galloway for example still says this kind of thing despite the alliances that he makes he does still

00:51:05.640 believe this which is you know it's and it's because he is actually a more orthodox kind of

00:51:09.320 leftist yeah he's a sort of classic left yeah yeah um and so this is shown by the fact obviously

00:51:14.040 there are other factors in play but since 2008 um the average wages have just not kept pace with

00:51:18.520 inflation not kept pace with uh gdp growth as well gdp has gone up but gdp per capita has essentially

00:51:23.880 flatlined since then um and all of this is because you know all of this leads to the fact that uh most

00:51:29.080 migrants who come here are actually imposing a net cost on ordinary people on taxpayers um but hey thank

00:51:34.440 goodness next to getting cheap labor right yeah and the delivery economy is it's like you know what

00:51:39.000 what are they paying into yeah nothing there there is also an interesting argument to be made regarding

00:51:43.160 the birth rates as well because birth rates are one of the ways in which they like to continually justify

00:51:48.120 well if we don't have the birth rates then we're going to find another way of replacing the population

00:51:52.280 that's already here so we need to bring people in there has been more recent research done suggesting that

00:51:57.960 a greater diversity of ethnic groups within populations yeah suppresses the birth rates so

00:52:03.880 they're creating the problem or making the problem worse with the solution again it's poison for the

00:52:09.400 cure and this brings us to the next point which is that mass immigration makes class consciousness

00:52:13.560 impossible because this idea that some you know like a 23 year old air train delivery driver is going

00:52:19.000 to have some kind of uh brotherhood or kinship with a 56 year old builder is just absurd you know

00:52:24.680 it's a crazy idea i i've covered this the amazon have studied it within their own warehouses they have

00:52:30.600 a unionization metric by which they score different factors that lead to their staff unionizing in the

00:52:37.880 warehouse and factories and diversity reduces the chances of unionization drastically well so

00:52:45.880 as a as a hyper capitalist i need to get some different hosts yeah yes very good but just a quick

00:52:52.120 thing on this as well uh this this this is something that has again been known by the communists for a long

00:52:56.280 time because you remember the end of the communist manifesto is the working men have no country have

00:53:01.000 already been stolen from by the capitalists so working men of all countries unite well come world

00:53:05.320 war one uh the the fear of bolshevism no it turns out that people are actually a lot more attached to

00:53:09.800 their own countries than there are their own class anyway yeah and even and then if you disintegrate the

00:53:14.920 class itself well then what have they got and this is the point in order to have class consciousness you

00:53:19.720 you know the precondition to that is a shared trust a shared identity um this idea of the kind of

00:53:24.680 international working class is just on that point recently i read a very interesting book called uh

00:53:30.840 russia under the bolshevik revolution richard by richard pipes and he's talking in the chapter about

00:53:37.160 the attempts to export communism in the immediate aftermath of the russian civil war and he talks

00:53:43.720 about how they were setting off to war against poland because there was that short war uh there where

00:53:48.840 they were trying to take over and the russians lenin was just expecting that the polish proletariat

00:53:54.600 would be so eager to join up with the red army and usurp their own government it turns out in the

00:54:01.240 aftermath of the treaty of the size finally getting some kind of sovereign independence as their own

00:54:06.680 nation the polish proletariat was a lot more attracted to their own nationalism than they were to being part

00:54:12.760 of the international proletariat yeah so the russians completely fell flat on their faces and it's in

00:54:17.800 every case this has happened there's never been international working class the hungarians ended

00:54:25.160 up fighting back against it that's what led to the rise of mussolini was fighting back against the the

00:54:30.200 russian the red communist years from i think it was 1918 oh no 1920 to 22. all of those big evil

00:54:37.000 movements in the early 20th interwar period that was basically saying no we don't want bolshevism

00:54:42.920 it's all a response to communism yes yes and so every case of response to communism and so this low

00:54:47.640 social trust that we are experiencing in our country because of mass immigration is making

00:54:51.640 class oh yeah it's making strangers but it's making class consciousness impossible because 50

00:54:56.360 percent feel that they feel said that they feel disengaged from society in general i mean how do you

00:55:01.000 have how do you have class consciousness or solidarity with people who don't speak your language whose

00:55:05.160 culture you don't recognize etc and moreover we we get a really good example of this uh in swindon but

00:55:10.040 it's the same as everywhere really uh because the the the thing about the boris waves they're not

00:55:15.000 from any one particular place yeah they're from everywhere and so they can't even understand each

00:55:18.680 other yes and so there's no solidarity between them they don't care about each other they do

00:55:23.080 again they look at each other with suspicion as they pass in the street which is in the interest

00:55:26.680 of the capitalist class because it keeps you know it keeps the working class divided exactly so

00:55:31.400 the capitalist has essentially like the the whip hand in this they say well i'll offer you a job and

00:55:36.520 what else are you going to do you can't you haven't got a social network to respond no back on you

00:55:40.600 know it's it's either not begging the government for money totally totally um and that's to say

00:55:45.080 nothing of the crime brought by mass immigration which is also a factor in degrading social trust

00:55:50.520 and making class consciousness impossible the third argument from a marxist perspective against

00:55:54.840 mass immigration is that it is neo-colonial exploitation so that's totally true yeah so between q4

00:56:00.600 it's between q4 2020 and q3 2023 the uk awarded 108 000 entry visas to healthcare professionals from

00:56:08.920 countries that are described by the who as having the world's most fragile health systems okay so

00:56:13.960 these are countries that are teetering on the brink where there's really no health infrastructure

00:56:17.720 and we are poaching yes their their healthcare workers to prop up our own failing public services

00:56:23.320 and they're failing for a number of reasons including immigration itself it's like a kind of you know

00:56:26.840 self-fulfilling cure of the poison as you point out yes exactly um so it's really and and that's

00:56:32.040 to say nothing of the again sort of with my marxist hat on the kind of western imperial imperialism

00:56:37.560 into the middle east for example that has disrupted and destabilized that region which has led to

00:56:41.480 displacement of people which has you know in turn led them to uh seek refuge you know often uh

00:56:47.560 illegitimately in europe so there's an interesting um uh sort of dovetailing here in the advance of

00:56:54.200 medicine uh it's it's not that society is actually that much less dangerous than it used to be it says

00:56:59.080 that people survive from violence yes far greater this was steven pinker's sleight of hand in his

00:57:04.840 better um the better angel of our nature book exactly it's like oh we we die a lot less than we used to

00:57:10.920 yeah because we can save a lot more people from dying exactly but if you're in a third world country

00:57:16.760 that just has naturally a much higher rate of violence and we are stealing all of your highly trained

00:57:23.400 doctors or disease or disease or whatever it is but you know you you can see how like you say this

00:57:28.600 this takes on the aspect of a predatory and extractive system and one would think that any

00:57:33.480 self-respecting leftist would look at those countries which are genuinely in a terrible

00:57:37.080 state where people are dying and there's immense human suffering and they think actually you know

00:57:40.920 maybe i shouldn't be supporting this product this project of exporting all of their labor to my

00:57:45.560 country to prop up my and it is so genuinely extractive as well just on from from purely a materialistic

00:57:51.080 perspective where it's like look those countries paid and raised and trained those people yeah all

00:57:57.160 of the resources that required to make a doctor in uganda or whatever yeah we're just pinching

00:58:02.200 for 40 50 000 pounds a year or something like that which that's you know we're we're stealing

00:58:07.160 and how and how are they expected to compete when we have such a more powerful economy and are able to

00:58:10.840 offer these people such a better quality of life i'm gonna have to drag us away from this wet

00:58:15.160 sentimentality that the two of you are engaging in right now and point out as well a significant

00:58:20.760 number of these will have been done on completely illegitimate ground that's also true that is

00:58:24.760 that's the right wing view yes uh well i i guess i have to be the right wing as usual carl but the

00:58:30.680 point is to look from the left's own premises yes from their own concern that's how i'm approaching

00:58:35.080 this yeah which is just totally fair because you know if you are a leftist watching this what are your

00:58:39.160 answers to any of these yeah yeah and that brings us that brings us to point number four which is that

00:58:43.160 that mass immigration is seriously though also what's the left's response supposed to be that

00:58:47.080 well i mean a lot of these people are coming in here illegitimately on fake well not on fake visas

00:58:52.040 but illegitimate visas because they've lied about their qualifications and they will actively admit

00:58:57.480 it online just filling in my cousin's university forms just doing the exams for them doing all of

00:59:03.000 this one what's their response to that they don't have one no really they don't care about that they

00:59:07.240 just that's that's the point they don't they just wouldn't care whereas this challenges them on

00:59:10.600 their own grounds and and they then have nothing to say right which brings us to point four which is

00:59:14.680 that mass immigration is bourgeois virtue signaling now i don't think i need to necessarily explain

00:59:18.520 that it's obviously true that the managerial middle class uh who run our country yeah yeah yeah the

00:59:24.040 professionals who who run society in the west it makes them feel warm and fuzzy when they when they

00:59:29.080 go to bat for mass immigration and when they facilitate it um because they think it makes them a moral

00:59:32.920 person and it's at the expense of the well-being of the working class more moreover it's also at the expense of

00:59:37.160 the well-being of the people that they're bringing in because there is an implicit class dynamic

00:59:41.320 yes between this who's going to serve our coffee at pret who are our new proletariates that we're

00:59:46.600 importing because we don't like the white proletariat who's going to clean your toilet

00:59:49.880 donald trump exactly right it is explicitly hierarchical yeah yeah and exploitative and

00:59:56.600 uh domination you if you're a leftist you can't deny these aspects to no no in fact and if

01:00:02.120 you do okay tell us why tell us what your argument is and the final point um which i think kind of

01:00:07.720 encapsulates everything i've spoken about so far to use the language of louis althazer is that mass

01:00:11.720 immigration itself is a repressive state apparatus because if you you know if you have

01:00:16.680 an indigenous english working class who feel they're being mistreated or they can strike or

01:00:21.640 they can organize or whatever else right they can demand better uh pay better working conditions

01:00:25.880 and all the rest of it but if you allow mass immigration you can make those people irrelevant

01:00:29.560 by just replacing them right so so the message they receive is get in line or you know or you're

01:00:34.760 getting replaced get in line or you're going to lose your job you're going to lose your livelihood

01:00:37.960 and all the rest of it and in order to um keep those people in line as we saw with the case of

01:00:42.440 lucy connelly early earlier today the ideological state apparatus of the british state exists almost

01:00:48.200 solely at this point to prop up the narrative that mass immigration is good for our society you know

01:00:52.600 whether it's the media or the education system or whatever else all of these mouthpieces of power

01:00:57.240 they tell the working class that mass immigration is good for them despite the fact that their eyes

01:01:01.480 tell them that it isn't and their pay packets tell them that it isn't and the price of housing

01:01:05.080 tells them that it isn't and so uh you know mass immigration is actually a weapon of the state

01:01:09.880 it's a weapon of capital it's a weapon of people who are you know ultimately self-interested who want

01:01:13.960 to make themselves feel good and line their own pockets at the expense of basically everyone else in

01:01:18.440 society if if you are any kind of leftist who claims to care about the working class again as far as

01:01:25.720 i'm concerned this is just an open and shut case and if i may just as as a conclusion um the post

01:01:30.200 woke left who i spoke about um last time i was on the show people like gary stevenson and so on

01:01:35.000 um stevenson has addressed the issue of immigration but he says he did a whole video

01:01:39.000 in it and it's and it's you know quite a good video as his videos often are it's a you know to

01:01:42.520 the chagrin of the audience no doubt i'm watching this but he says basically that immigration

01:01:47.080 is just a distraction tactic by uh the capitalist class and i just think that if you're saying that

01:01:51.960 you're not yeah you're not a radical if you're if you're prepared to defend the the project of

01:01:56.600 mass immigration then you're not you're kicking at an open door right if you're just going to say

01:02:00.200 it's inequality well okay if it is inequality what's causing the inequality what's who's causing the

01:02:05.320 inequality um and so i think he's the insufferable lefty on twitter posting the picture of the cookie

01:02:12.440 saying hey that immigrant wants your cookie that's not the point where the actual is uh i'm gonna give him

01:02:17.320 your cookie yeah he you he needs your cookie more than you do because when you talk about the working

01:02:21.640 class a lot of the left these days unless they are very old school labor style leftists from 100 years

01:02:27.800 ago they see it as an international global working class well yeah some guy in the slums of manchester

01:02:33.800 might have it hard but does he have it as hard as a starving child in africa that's the way that they

01:02:39.640 look at it selios has explained it quite well in the wealth transfer of well we need some kind of

01:02:45.160 equitable wealth transfer and redistribution but it has to basically be across the entire world

01:02:51.400 just as a quick thing here so the what's interesting about this is how the liberals have managed to kind

01:02:55.720 of one-up the classical marxists right because it used to be the marxists had the edge on the

01:03:00.120 liberals quite significantly by saying well look you can see that it's private property that creates

01:03:04.200 inequality you say you're for equality therefore private property has to be the thing that goes

01:03:07.960 uh and now the liberals have got one up on the marxist so even like someone like gary stevenson

01:03:12.920 has got to be like well i can't possibly criticize mass immigration because of universal liberal human

01:03:18.920 rights and what i'm essentially forced to do is dodge the issue and say oh it's those guys who are

01:03:23.640 using them as a tool in order to destroy the economy and this and this is the brilliant trick that the

01:03:27.640 capitalist class has played on the left itself they've co-opted them captured them and are using

01:03:31.880 them to their own ends and so i think if the post woke left want to be a serious force and a seriously

01:03:36.280 radical force they need to reckon with these critiques and they need to recognize that so much of their

01:03:42.040 kind of their instinctual liberalism when it comes to things like immigration and other social

01:03:47.240 issues actually it's in the interests of the capitalist class that they're seeking to tear

01:03:50.840 down that they continue to go to bat for these things so i think they need to break with this

01:03:54.040 stuff completely and uh come and join us so i i actually just a quick anything i don't think they're

01:03:59.240 going to be able to do it uh because the the the woke liberalism that we talk about is is the

01:04:05.720 consequence of the synthesis of marxist class dynamics applied to non-economic factors uh

01:04:13.480 therefore rendering a kind of synthesis of old marxism and modern liberalism which means that

01:04:18.600 essentially they would have to admit that they were reactionaries in order to do it so i think

01:04:23.720 that they're in a bind there and they can't go anywhere but again if you're a leftist let me know

01:04:28.040 you know i'm i'm open to changing my mind uh anyway that uh the habs the habsification says

01:04:34.200 has anyone seen the google vo3 ai videos yeah they're insane yeah they're wild yeah it's something

01:04:39.080 to talk about next week probably it's kind of like uh modern cgi though you can still detect that it's

01:04:44.120 cg because there's still the uncanny valley about now yeah yeah for now the one that i saw

01:04:50.120 earlier was they put it through the will smith eating spaghetti test yeah and it's done a much better

01:04:55.400 job than they used to and the thing is like so you know when you when you guys get to my age

01:05:02.680 there's there's a fear that you'll end up being the boomer who can't identify the slop on facebook

01:05:07.240 right and for now i think the easiest way to tell even when they've merged it with

01:05:13.000 actual footage is the mouth movement is very unnatural and slightly blurred so we'll see how

01:05:18.600 they develop that there was one where this guy was interviewing a girl on on the street and i saw that

01:05:23.640 one yeah very convincing until you start looking at a mouth and it's very slightly not um it's like

01:05:28.600 desynced almost not necessarily desynced it was just kind of like mouth flappy yeah like like it was

01:05:35.880 like it was mechanical or something uh but i could totally like i didn't notice it at first oh yeah

01:05:41.480 that's going to get the boomers well yeah that's the point and i was like chris at first i didn't see

01:05:45.160 that this was ai oh no there's going to be next level nigerian prince scams coming up for those

01:05:50.520 poor boomers when they can't identify that the nigerian prince videos ai that that's terrible but

01:05:56.200 the thing is like i'm i'm really worried about retweeting something that's just ai slop and not

01:06:02.200 realizing it's ai slogs i you know i think i'm pretty good at identifying it like the the day is

01:06:07.160 getting closer when i'm the boomer on facebook who gets one-shotted by we all need to be following

01:06:12.680 carl on twitter so that we can be there for that day i'm really worried about it because the thing is

01:06:17.560 again these things are getting so good that it is actually really hard to see and you know you'll

01:06:23.400 it'll come for you too it'll be you one day uh amila says uh i used to vote smp now i want a revival of

01:06:30.440 the british empire well the argument for the british empire has actually never been stronger has it

01:06:34.040 really if you think about it also the scottish were over represented in the british empire as well

01:06:39.160 so that's actually the classical scottish position you've taken that absolutely is and i'm so sick of

01:06:43.800 the scottish victim narrative on the british empire it's like you liars you loved it it's no

01:06:49.400 no but it's it's very similar to the feminists with the patriarchy right oh no no no white women

01:06:55.080 absolutely loved it when they had plantations right they were totally on board yeah right

01:06:59.720 they had all the wealth and the riches and they had like you know various levels of servants and

01:07:03.400 stuff and then suddenly oh and bill burr's got a great thing where they just step over the fence

01:07:07.400 and go oh yeah we've always been oppressed by the patriarchs i know get back over here yeah you

01:07:11.080 you know you bloody liars you know and it's the same with the scots of the british empire don't

01:07:15.560 don't we know okay we've got all the receipts actually we know the percentage of the scots like

01:07:20.920 scots make a massively disproportionate percentage of colonial governors because they were really good

01:07:25.880 at it they were hey you know that's why we were you scots i mean dutton's been saying about like

01:07:30.200 per capita the scottish are the most like genius gifted people in the world which is quite remarkable

01:07:36.840 they're on you remarkable talent so if you if you put the needle down maybe save the book fast for

01:07:42.760 the weekends you can go back to being a great country yeah all we're saying is the opportunity

01:07:46.600 will be available in the future no cranky texan says it seems woke the woke right is a framework

01:07:51.880 that lindsey created while he was working on identity crisis with the daily wire to go out to

01:07:55.320 people who disagree with certain middle east policies money talks uh yeah the lindsey's lindsey uses

01:08:01.560 israel and jewish people as the canary in the coal mine as in if you have any critiques of israel

01:08:06.440 then you've gone off the liberal plantation uh well i mean that was uh what's in it i was about

01:08:11.400 to say les grossman that's the character from tropic thunder vasili grossman uh vasili vasili

01:08:17.640 grossman he i think is the one who basically said that and uh douglas murray likes to use him over

01:08:23.320 and over again as well but vasili grossman uh was a soviet propagandist during the second world war who was

01:08:31.320 uh complicit in covering up all of the atrocities that they were committing so it's interesting how the

01:08:35.800 the neocons very happy to just like para soviet era propaganda talking points when it's convenient

01:08:44.040 for them yeah the the the point being essentially lindsey what he's trying to do is make sure nobody

01:08:49.160 ever criticizes liberalism uh i'm not having it basically uh and alex says uh conch points was

01:08:55.320 playing this hierarchy game with vors in regards to intersectionality conch points is the left uh

01:09:00.040 the leftist who wanted her coffee from pret avoid philosophy tube of course um i don't know i've

01:09:06.360 watched a lot of punch points videos actually uh there is also some deep law between philosophy

01:09:11.480 tube and contrapoint that is also allegedly allegedly um but the i i don't know if conch points is actually

01:09:18.120 the one who wanted a coffee from pret uh i think conch points is a disappointed idealist

01:09:25.240 actually when it comes to leftism because she she he she is they are smart um and i think they do

01:09:31.880 understand uh the inherent inability of leftism to ever accomplish its goals and so the descent back

01:09:39.240 into sort of cynicism and sarcasm and you know comedy uh is a coping mechanism for that i've never

01:09:45.400 watched either of them uh well i mean i've seen people respond to them you gotta know your enemy of the

01:09:51.080 three of those the most i've interacted with is vorsch and mainly to watch him go into red-faced

01:09:55.960 spittle-flecking rage arguing with you that one time yeah i don't know why he was so angry i wasn't

01:10:01.960 i didn't know who he was he came straight out of the gate furious at you i didn't know who he was i was

01:10:05.960 just like what have i done i shag his girlfriend or something like i don't know you probably like that

01:10:10.920 to be fair well yeah exactly yeah and you wouldn't no no if that picture that goes around no him and his

01:10:17.240 girlfriend but uh matt matt says carl watch the skies a swedish movie that used of avid ai plugin

01:10:23.080 to change the mouth flaps and had swedish actors re-record the dialogue in english to release the

01:10:26.600 movie in the us yeah i've said this before basically ai is going to make it so that you go to the

01:10:32.520 computer and say i want to watch a movie about you know war or something and it'll just okay sit down

01:10:38.280 got your movie ready and there'll be a completely tailored experience for you you won't know that it's

01:10:43.240 not like a fully you know rendered fully done hollywood movie so it'll look perfect and it will

01:10:48.680 drive us all apart because actually a huge amount of social interaction is shared experiences yeah i

01:10:52.920 hate that idea not not for the shared experiences stuff that's gay uh more because human like uh

01:10:59.880 art should be exclusive it should be the exclusive realm of people who are exceptional enough to produce

01:11:05.400 exceptional art sure i that computers is just going to be a complete even greater slopification

01:11:13.080 that is a good argument but like you when you think about it so much of your interaction with

01:11:17.080 other people is just talking about the shared artistic experience that's also true you know

01:11:21.400 when you talk about tuning for the breaking bad lads out in about uh half well 45 minutes yeah

01:11:26.520 music movies television shows you know any books any novels you know anything like that will all

01:11:32.840 be taken away from you have nothing to talk about because yeah and see the ai thing that i

01:11:36.920 generated yesterday no of course they did yeah and it arises out of that kind of uh individualistic

01:11:41.640 mindset doesn't it where where the only thing that matters is just me you know pure consumption

01:11:45.960 what satisfies me you know and it's really depressing ultimate utilitarian i think it's evil all art

01:11:52.200 except that sponsored by aristocrats should be banned we need to go back to a system of pure

01:11:57.880 yeah my aristocrats aristocrats on my side ah yes sponsored by contrapoints what what well that's

01:12:06.600 what you're arguing for art sponsored by contrapoints why by contrapoints isn't on my side yeah

01:12:11.400 yeah i didn't say on your side but you're out by aristocrats okay well who are the modern day

01:12:14.360 aristocrats unfortunately i do i do it it's true i do not think contrapoints is an aristocrat well

01:12:19.800 by by any sort of modern metric i think they are uh that's the problem so unfortunately we're getting

01:12:24.920 contrapoints art now thanks or certainly the mouthpiece of our no no no contrapoints would

01:12:29.080 be the person who is sponsored by by them i mean did contrapoints get money from the government

01:12:34.920 during covid i i don't know i bet oh wait no actually no that was they're american aren't

01:12:39.960 they yeah yeah but uh but the point is you you it's it's that's you know where the george soros

01:12:44.760 money will go god damn anyway let's go obviously all of these suggestions are once we have won

01:12:50.200 yeah yeah until then i go to uh their principles and we appeal to their principles until we win

01:12:55.560 we have got some very high tech speakers show people the magic all right i've turned it up do you

01:13:22.520 you want to play it now this is another follow-up to harry sign on the music industry the preponderance

01:13:27.080 of writers and producers everywhere is really functionally the accreditation rules for royalties

01:13:30.680 spawning from the musicians unions turns out of all the money is an accreditation being a part of

01:13:34.200 the act is actually kind of ancillary this is called the nashville writers room model which grew

01:13:37.880 out of the country scene in america as a function all these modern artists don't actually own any of

01:13:41.880 the fancy mansions it's all built under the contract is owned by the record company which is actually

01:13:45.640 given to them as a debt and finally the business has always been a cartel i have it in good

01:13:49.480 authority from someone who's playing the game at the time that a book called hitman by frank

01:13:53.320 dannon is an authoritative source of the matter though the blackmailing sex cults is a more recent

01:13:57.560 innovation hitman by frederick dannon i will check that book out thank you because that seems to

01:14:03.240 conform a lot to my experiences and understanding what i used to do as a teenager which is how i got a

01:14:08.520 lot of the information that i do about the music industry not many people do this anymore is read

01:14:12.520 magazines and in the magazines i would always have these big articles talking about how so and so

01:14:17.640 artists from the 60s and the 70s managed to produce one particular album that's a very famous

01:14:22.440 album and it was always amazing to me back then just how much of it was determined entirely behind

01:14:27.560 the scenes by wrangling with the record labels even in this time of great artistic freedom which is why

01:14:33.160 i felt the need to make the segment that i did last week because seeing that there were still so many

01:14:37.320 people who seemed to be under the misapprehension that music was just the case of at least until

01:14:43.320 recently oh the people just got discovered because they were amazing and then they got

01:14:48.440 meritocratic yeah it was just pure meritocracy this is my innocent view of the music industry

01:14:52.360 i've never been yeah it was was uh was just clearly wrong because even a band that is really fantastic

01:14:56.840 and was very innovative for its time like led zeppelin i mean their guitarist jimmy page set them up as

01:15:03.560 basically an industry band because he'd been part of bands before he'd been a very successful session

01:15:07.800 musician working on behalf of the record companies so he's like i want to do my own original

01:15:12.440 music so he head hunts the best musicians that he can find to get an already agreed upon record deal

01:15:19.400 for what is essentially an industry band the critics hated them and but they went on to be very successful

01:15:25.400 but it's very interesting how people if you didn't know that you'd just think that led zeppelin they

01:15:29.880 were just a band that were really really talented that appeared out of nowhere and the record labels

01:15:34.120 had to snap them up because they were just that damn good but i'll check that book out thank you very

01:15:38.920 much and that is another interesting thing as well which is that if you work for a record label you

01:15:43.080 don't own your own music um they own this is one of the reasons that michael jackson was in so much

01:15:49.320 trouble during the 90s with like sony to get like half the label or something uh i think he owned half

01:15:54.840 of sony music by the end of his life and also owned all of the beatles catalog but he had to fight

01:16:01.000 very very hard to get even the rights to his own music this is something like the sex pistols going back to

01:16:06.760 the 1970s they had to fight really hard because they didn't have any of the rights to their music

01:16:12.440 so that's one of the reasons the record labels want so much control over it because it's once

01:16:17.080 it's been released and once it's been licensed out under them it's not your music anymore it's their

01:16:21.960 music something makes you wonder about the stuff about michael jackson though right if like he's

01:16:26.040 engaged in a power struggle with the record label oh here are a bunch of allegations oh he's died of a

01:16:31.000 heart attack guy yeah um oh yeah razor fist actually has some very very good videos and i

01:16:36.120 was just like oh there are questions yeah yeah um to be fair just very quickly on this topic um harry

01:16:42.040 i missed your segment so apologies if i'm repeating it but i i always kind of uh had a sort of implicit

01:16:47.880 sense that there was some kind of coordination that went on in the music industry just based on the fact

01:16:51.640 that you know through my teenage years for example i noticed that all pop music just sounded like the

01:16:55.400 same factory produced well uh the the biggest example of of this i mean you can point to any

01:17:00.760 number of industry plant acts uh one of the most telling examples was do you remember that awful

01:17:09.080 do you remember that awful song friday by rebecca black they did have a hit written by um one of the

01:17:15.880 industry songwriters uh but uh rebecca black was just some girl whose dad was rich and i think he just

01:17:23.480 literally went to a record label and bought her a hit single yeah that was written for her uh and

01:17:30.440 released by a record label who did all the marketing for her and it was inescapable how much does that

01:17:35.080 cost i i don't know but there's also examples of uh there's a guy called um max martin uh his surname

01:17:43.480 is uh sandberger he's a swedish songwriter who in the past 30 years has written 27 i think i saw that

01:17:52.120 going around actually i'm the one who shared it in the first place and other people were stealing

01:17:55.880 my screenshots the bastards yeah he wrote 27 number one hits over the past 30 years for people like

01:18:01.480 taylor swift ariana grande um that's why they all sound the same the weekend so my point was that when

01:18:08.440 you listen to these acts and these particular songs what you're not listening to are individual

01:18:14.040 artists expressing themselves you're listening to this guy and his production team with different

01:18:20.280 interchangeable faces and you go back to the 50s and you have the motown system which was very

01:18:25.560 explicit about this where they had a team of songwriters they had professional bands playing

01:18:30.920 everything and the people who were the named acts were just faces who could sing and that's how that

01:18:37.320 system worked now you don't even really need them to be able to sing because you've got auto-tune

01:18:42.600 so you just say my time has come yes you just need to start looks maxing yeah okay and then you're

01:18:48.200 ready for it because they just need you to be a pretty marketable face who's going to be very

01:18:52.200 compliant well someone like sabrina carpenter seems to me to be like i hate to drag this back on the

01:18:57.720 subject but this this is a wider conversation that would be interesting to have uh scott says just

01:19:02.920 sending appreciation of uh charlie's appearance in lbc calm collected major points well yes and miller

01:19:08.520 says uh the main issues of scotland are the westman's politicians party's not really interested in

01:19:12.600 britain and they're in charge of it well i mean god that's the problem we've all got isn't it mate

01:19:16.520 we're all in that bloody boat uh and on that note i i do actually feel sympathy for the scottish who

01:19:22.920 were like maybe independence could help and say yeah but your parties were woke yeah worse like

01:19:27.720 weirdly enough like wasn't it um was it boris or rishi you had to basically rein them in on the

01:19:33.240 the woman definition and stuff like that yeah i remember that just no in seed no that's just not

01:19:37.560 happening it's like that's for your own good anyway let's go to the next one

01:19:40.440 hello diseases i'm currently at reform uk pub in blackpool i've just spoken to the owner and a few

01:19:50.760 people in it they love the place the local reform branch meets upstairs good prices lovely working

01:19:58.120 class people it's a great place and uh charlie down's great interview thank you very much cheers

01:20:05.960 yeah i know people who've been to that pub and apparently it is actually quite i mean it's super

01:20:09.160 cheap apparently really yeah okay well that's one me over um let's get the next one friday our journey

01:20:16.600 update so i started a new project where i tried to draw my version of the nordic gods and this is

01:20:22.120 quite interesting because i need them to look recognizably like the nordic gods but not too much

01:20:27.640 like other very popular versions of it and i actually think the restrictions made me make something

01:20:32.840 quite interesting in my life i quite like it so remember to follow me on x or tumblr give me hints

01:20:39.080 tell me what to do gift requests i have only drawn since october so i'm actually really new at this

01:20:45.000 but i i think i'm doing pretty good i was quite impressed yeah i mean what i could do yeah yeah

01:20:51.080 exactly yeah way better than what i could do uh let's go to the next one happy friday

01:20:56.840 hello to cedars

01:21:08.600 i do enjoy shooting rangers nice solid look like good fun yeah yeah what rape the most popular

01:21:35.560 program television ever made rape and ape some people are sexually aroused by the idea of violence

01:21:42.120 of a sexual nature being carried out against primates i'm not i'm not but some people are and that's

01:21:47.880 it was good that a program existed for those people and by 2010 this show dominated the ratings

01:21:55.960 i'm sorry i can't come out rape and ape is on

01:22:06.280 okay i don't even know what to say to that well i'm gonna need to find whatever program that's taken

01:22:10.840 from to be fair i think he's making a good case for political correctness at this point yeah

01:22:15.560 hey guys uh last couple of weeks people have been sending me messages on my website asking for advice

01:22:26.600 on how to get self-published and i've only just seen them right now i've been so busy with so many

01:22:32.760 other things but i've responded to them they should be in your inbox so sorry that it's taken me such a

01:22:38.920 long time and i look forward to working with you okay lovely

01:22:46.600 is that the last one

01:22:49.640 uh theodore says uh chemical castration is actually less way less dramatic than you would imagine

01:22:54.600 it's not permanent sterilization or disabling of the sex organs it's an ongoing hormone injection

01:22:59.160 or pills that reduces sex drive they stop taking the hormones it all comes back in my mind chemical

01:23:04.200 castration is like pouring acid on your genital yeah right i'm imagining i i i'm i imagine it's

01:23:09.320 going to sound quite psychopathic but i imagine like james bond desk strapped down to a metal table

01:23:13.960 and they just lazy and it falls off i'm chemical it's close enough i i imagine what it is is they

01:23:22.040 just basically give you lots of estrogen pills and injections something like that but the point being

01:23:26.840 is they if they want to they can just choose not to and then you know yeah derek says i'm sorry but

01:23:32.840 just saying bring down the government is not enough to incite violence if that's the case

01:23:36.760 radio heads no surprises should ever be played in the uk again it's when it's point by point step by

01:23:41.400 step akin to a recipe or an instruction manual that's something else entirely well we had an

01:23:45.000 example of that guy and he was given a suspended sentence yeah actually that's a great point yeah

01:23:49.400 i i think what the inciting violence was was her saying burn the hotels down but even even then

01:23:55.560 deleted yeah but i actually think the for all i care it is an important uh extension on the end of

01:24:01.560 that though because that's that changes the context for me i mean i appreciate that in in the

01:24:07.640 context of there's currently a lot going on you can see why they would consider that too uh difficult

01:24:13.400 but as jimbo points out here if i say quote free lucy connelly for all i care am i inciting a prison

01:24:19.240 break and no it's definitely muddy it's definitely it is and like like you were saying like some sort of

01:24:26.440 concern for the human condition uh when judging this would have been appropriate and personally

01:24:33.400 it was obviously a stupid mistake i wouldn't have had i wouldn't have had a punished at all no exactly

01:24:37.880 i i wouldn't either but um that texas gal says it's crazy to me this is considered a crime in the

01:24:43.640 first place yes but we live in england uh hector says the funny thing about rubio is that he was

01:24:48.920 confirmed by the senate with something like a hundred to zero he seems to have entirely deceived the

01:24:53.880 dems that play i love i love i didn't even i didn't think to look by what his confirmation

01:24:59.240 was actually i should have done because that puts that in context i regret voting for you it's like

01:25:04.120 good yeah that's there is this idea i think that some people think could be viable which is to kind

01:25:09.640 of infiltrate and then reveal your power level when you're at the highest possible level i don't

01:25:13.800 yeah well i know that but but but like you know rubio it does it seems like he's had some kind of

01:25:19.080 like conversion but it does also show that that kind of thing does happen impressive that you

01:25:23.240 manage to deceive literally all of the dems yeah exactly it's like yeah no i'm just a milk toast

01:25:27.720 conservative and i'll do everything you tell me yeah and now everyone's getting deported uh omar

01:25:32.760 says it's rather amusing to know that all the henpecking against rubio is falling apart simply

01:25:36.440 because he disregards the framing he doesn't need to make an argument because they aren't making one

01:25:39.880 either do you realize that you're a bad person capitulate no next question moreover they can't get

01:25:44.360 rid of him either can they really um like you know he's part of the administration trump was elected

01:25:51.000 he's been appointed by trump he's been confirmed by the senate i'm gonna do what i like now i'm here

01:25:55.560 for four years yeah so uh you get effed theodore says trump seems to know how to make enemies into

01:26:02.760 allies and accept former rivals as friends yeah this is the most important aspect of any leader really

01:26:07.560 yeah totally is the ability mr farage to take people who have been mildly critical of you

01:26:14.600 and turn them into your strongest supporters i mean rubio was more than mildly critical he was

01:26:18.920 calling for him to never be able to be president and everything yeah the i deliberately understand

01:26:24.040 because most of the people that nigel farage has cast into wilderness have just been mildly critical

01:26:28.440 of him and he never got over it yeah so yeah i mean for for all of the talk of trump being just

01:26:34.360 a giant ego on stilts like it he doesn't demonstrate it when he's dealing with people

01:26:39.240 no right he actually seems to be very very quick to give out largesse when he's congratulating people

01:26:45.560 or forgiving people and bringing them back into the fold now i don't know whether that's been

01:26:49.080 something he's been doing for his whole career or whether that's quite a recent thing but i don't

01:26:52.600 think this is gonna be a recent thing it's gotta be a skill he's honed over like 50 years of being

01:26:57.240 a business one would think yeah uh someone online says is it catholic yes keeping our women and

01:27:02.120 children safe is catholic yeah uh and uh yeah matthew says another positive of rubio is he's fluent in

01:27:09.400 spanish so he can browbeat mexico and central and south american countries to getting in line with

01:27:13.000 that translator and there's no point calling him a racist over either is there he's just like you

01:27:16.920 know hola yeah um roman observer says marx understood the labor market better than modern

01:27:22.920 marxists we call this progress well no the thing is modern marxists are completely on the hook for

01:27:28.840 woke liberalism uh and at this point basically they're kind of disabled by it uh it's not that

01:27:35.480 they don't understand it so they can't allow themselves to admit because then they have to admit yeah i was

01:27:40.440 fooled actually the the woke marx the marxist project entirely is kind of nonsense which we

01:27:45.320 already know and i can't go anywhere from here and still be a marxist at least doctrinarily and those

01:27:52.360 modern marxists i mean you know like thomas pickety for example is like a kind of modern marxist type

01:27:57.000 person from what i've not i will admit haven't read his books cover to cover but from what i understand

01:28:01.400 of uh what i've sort of heard of him he's just another kind of like lib you know globalist type

01:28:06.680 character yeah he casts himself as a marxist they absolutely all are yeah um and uh

01:28:13.800 a dirty build says charlie your work doing freedom of information requests to inform the public is

01:28:17.400 great have you considered making any guides explaining how to make such requests i'd like

01:28:21.080 to like start badgering my local council but i don't know where to get started it's a good idea

01:28:24.840 actually yeah very good yeah yeah everyone should be doing that by the way yeah yeah there's no reason

01:28:29.560 not to for some reason they left that back door in because it seems like the liberal thing to do

01:28:33.160 uh malicious compliance folks just start making their lives a living hell yeah anyway so on that

01:28:39.160 note we are out of time join us in half an hour for our breaking bad lads hour where uh harry will

01:28:45.640 be giving a spirited defense of walter white against the evil witch skylar right and that's not the whole

01:28:54.120 thing but that is a fair part but and various other uh attacks on the narratives that have been

01:29:00.280 going around attacking walter the patron saint of but straight white drug dealers

01:29:08.760 thanks joining us folks we'll see you uh in half an hour

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 23, 2025

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