The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #946

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00:00:48.460 So you heard it there from the boss man.

00:00:50.100 Hello and welcome to the podcast of the load seaters for the 27th of June, 2024.

00:00:55.680 I'm very pleased to be joined by the voice of Wales, Stan and Dan.

00:00:58.680 Shemai.

00:00:59.240 Shemai.

00:01:00.340 And Stelios, of course.

00:01:01.920 Hello.

00:01:02.540 And we're going to be talking about how Twitter bands have returned.

00:01:05.740 Stelios will be.

00:01:06.820 And then you guys are going to be telling us about the Welsh national socialist problem,

00:01:11.960 which I didn't realize there was one.

00:01:14.060 Yes.

00:01:14.420 It's been for a long time, but it's accelerated.

00:01:16.560 And also I'm going to be talking about a cautionary tale in the dangers of the internet,

00:01:22.360 which is going to be a good bit of fun, I think.

00:01:25.600 But it's worth mentioning as well.

00:01:28.200 Yes.

00:01:28.580 This election night live stream, the ad you saw for it, that is going on next Thursday.

00:01:34.040 So in a week's time, and we're going to have lots of guests.

00:01:37.880 Some of them may even be in the building right now.

00:01:40.380 But we've got a star-studded list of guests.

00:01:46.480 It's going to be great.

00:01:47.120 It's going to be a lot of fun.

00:01:48.220 We're going to have a stacked panel at all times.

00:01:51.360 I'm really looking forward to it, and so should you.

00:01:53.920 So make sure to check that out.

00:01:55.660 It's going to be one of those things that you're going to feel like you missed out if you didn't watch it.

00:02:00.340 And also, it's worth mentioning as well, Calvin's Common Sense Crusade after this.

00:02:04.920 There's going to be a half-hour break between this podcast and Calvin going live.

00:02:08.740 So, you know, if you have some free time, make sure to check it out.

00:02:12.140 It's going to be good.

00:02:14.120 Calvin's show is always good, of course.

00:02:15.880 So make sure to check it out.

00:02:17.560 But anyway, Stelios, take us away.

00:02:20.500 Okay.

00:02:20.840 So Twitter suspensions and Twitter bans are back.

00:02:23.980 I know because I was suspended, but now I'm back.

00:02:27.680 So it all started with Vesegrad24.

00:02:30.480 And we have here Marion Norfall asking why was this account suspended.

00:02:37.020 Now, we know Vesegrad24 is a massive account, has more than 24 million followers,

00:02:42.620 and they frequently post stuff from war-torn regions and stuff that aren't always pleasant to look at

00:02:49.260 and stuff that are, you could say, violent.

00:02:53.260 Just an example, they frequently talked about terrorism.

00:02:57.940 They talked about now the terrorist hits in Dagestan.

00:03:01.420 And they also had an image that is now called the infamous image.

00:03:08.700 So this person says here, loved and hated by many.

00:03:13.060 Vesegrad is a leading Polish-based account covering the wars in Gaza and Ukraine.

00:03:17.440 And they got suspended.

00:03:19.700 And Elon Musk here is giving us the reason why that account was suspended.

00:03:25.280 I'm not going to read it out loud because we are going to have trouble.

00:03:28.700 But they circulated the picture of a punishment that the Taliban inflected upon an underage kid.

00:03:41.400 And they retweeted it.

00:03:44.620 And Vesegrad24 is a massive account.

00:03:47.420 A lot of people are retweeting it, especially people who are interested in terrorism.

00:03:52.160 And they want to make their audience aware of terrorist practices.

00:03:56.720 So Elon Musk says here that what they did triggered an automatic child exploitation suspension,

00:04:04.780 which I can understand.

00:04:06.740 Yeah.

00:04:07.180 It makes sense.

00:04:07.840 Yeah.

00:04:08.100 Yeah.

00:04:08.420 And a lot of people who did engage with it could have sort of been suspended as a matter

00:04:15.180 of collateral damage, sort of algorithmic thing or something.

00:04:19.580 But this doesn't explain everyone who was suspended.

00:04:23.580 I, for instance, was suspended.

00:04:24.840 I had nothing to do with that tweet.

00:04:26.920 I follow Vesegrad24, but I did not engage with that tweet.

00:04:30.700 I didn't even press the like button, let alone retweet it or quote tweet it.

00:04:36.780 Many more people were banned.

00:04:39.000 My guess is that the common denominator is that they are anti-woke.

00:04:44.140 That's the common denominator.

00:04:45.740 Yeah.

00:04:45.900 This is kind of concerning because there have been some creeping cases of left-wing regressive

00:04:53.340 tolerance, if you will, of it being solely focused on the right.

00:04:58.880 All of the accounts that have been suspended have been right-wing.

00:05:01.720 And Elon Musk was supposed to be, you know, fixing this sort of thing.

00:05:04.860 It was meant to be a free speech platform.

00:05:07.120 And yet we're getting these one-sided bans all over again, which is quite concerning because,

00:05:12.200 of course, Twitter has actually become quite the safe haven for political commentary these

00:05:17.260 days and I've actually been quite enjoying it, which is rare.

00:05:20.700 The issue is, though, that the people that were there pre-Elon Musk are still in place.

00:05:28.000 And so, yes, they might want to take the wage and they might want to keep going.

00:05:33.660 And did they do this just at the right time to ban other people with this big account,

00:05:41.720 you know, underneath the radar, it is concerning because, of course, we, you know, we now expect

00:05:49.280 that free speech on Twitter.

00:05:52.380 Yeah.

00:05:52.680 It's been nice press in post and not having to think, that's going to get me a ban.

00:05:56.260 Is that going to get me a ban?

00:05:57.240 It's nice.

00:05:57.680 It's felt good.

00:05:58.620 So, but you're absolutely right.

00:05:59.760 You know, it does always seem to be the accounts on the right that tend to get axed.

00:06:03.880 So, and it's very arbitrary because for every person who gets suspended, you can find 10

00:06:11.220 other accounts that post way more weird stuff.

00:06:15.860 Definitely.

00:06:16.140 Let me say it this way.

00:06:17.380 So, David Atherton also was suspended and he's reinstated just like Vesegrave24.

00:06:24.020 And he's saying that there's a mass reporting of accounts that dare to tell the truth.

00:06:29.620 And he's thanking Elon Musk for reinstating him.

00:06:35.020 But David's got quite a large account as well.

00:06:37.180 You'd think there'd be more checks and balances in place for people with a following.

00:06:40.400 I mean, he appears on things like Talk TV, for example, and our show.

00:06:45.200 And so, you know, he's not nobody.

00:06:48.420 He does the media circuit.

00:06:49.960 You could describe him as a journalist.

00:06:52.040 And in shutting down his account, that is shutting down his free speech.

00:06:55.920 Yes.

00:06:56.100 He has a big account as well.

00:06:58.360 He has around 200,000 followers and he was also suspended last night.

00:07:04.640 It's great content as well from David.

00:07:06.140 It's always great content.

00:07:07.240 It's always factual and, you know, and it's constant.

00:07:09.800 So, you know, to try and take him down and be unnoticed, it's never going to happen, is it?

00:07:14.380 No.

00:07:15.080 So now I want to say that I am absolutely grateful for the support of my friends,

00:07:20.640 colleagues and all of the followers who made a fuss about it.

00:07:24.240 You're welcome.

00:07:24.760 Thank you very much.

00:07:25.240 I'm really grateful and honored by your reaction.

00:07:28.400 Thank you.

00:07:29.460 And Carl here is defending me and he is asking, why was I banned?

00:07:35.120 He did not like, comment or share it.

00:07:37.480 Meaning the infamous Vesegrad24 tweet.

00:07:41.320 So, this isn't the only thing that happened.

00:07:46.000 A lot of thousands of accounts have been suspended.

00:07:50.020 And if you see here, I'll just scroll down.

00:07:52.160 A lot of people were reporting losing thousands of followers.

00:07:55.280 Yeah.

00:07:55.640 Just overnight.

00:07:56.480 Thousands of followers.

00:07:57.380 I lost about 150 reading it.

00:07:59.600 You know, that's a big chunk of me.

00:08:01.200 I'm not sure if it's from me sharing your, you know, the free Stelios post.

00:08:06.540 Yeah.

00:08:06.800 But I sort of gained it all back again.

00:08:09.160 So, you know, you took a full so the rest of us could, you know, live.

00:08:14.420 Grow.

00:08:14.700 Yeah.

00:08:14.860 It's like Gandalf the Grey.

00:08:18.280 He came back like Gandalf the White.

00:08:20.580 Although I have a grey.

00:08:21.820 Yeah.

00:08:22.100 Where's your white jacket?

00:08:23.780 Yeah.

00:08:24.200 I should have.

00:08:24.860 Yeah.

00:08:25.120 I should have.

00:08:26.060 So, we have here, if you see, if we scroll down, people talking about losing thousands of followers.

00:08:33.280 5,000 here.

00:08:34.420 We have Gad Saad asking why he lost more than 3,000 followers in a second.

00:08:42.920 Carl also lost about 1,000 followers.

00:08:45.520 I saw this.

00:08:46.600 I am a numbers person.

00:08:48.100 I really like watching in numbers.

00:08:50.560 Yeah.

00:08:51.040 And I saw, I had an idea of a lot of.

00:08:53.840 Well, that's not that many for Carl, really, is it?

00:08:55.940 But your loss was my gain.

00:08:57.820 I actually increased.

00:08:59.380 Did it?

00:08:59.960 Yeah.

00:09:01.880 That's good.

00:09:02.520 I'm doing something awfully wrong.

00:09:04.420 It was you all along, wasn't it?

00:09:06.780 Again, we have, if you see that page and we have the link, we have accounts talking about losing hundreds to thousands of followers.

00:09:16.080 We have multiple large accounts reporting thousands, 3,000 to 5,000 followers getting suspended.

00:09:21.720 This isn't just a matter of vanity, is it?

00:09:23.360 It's important for other reasons, right?

00:09:26.120 Yes, of course.

00:09:26.760 I mean, it's just reach.

00:09:30.140 It's also your right to exercise free speech.

00:09:33.420 And it's also the right to exercise in your, let's say, abilities, your linguistic abilities to engage in public discussion.

00:09:43.360 I did notice that of the accounts I did recognize, a lot of them were right-leaning as well.

00:09:50.300 Yeah.

00:09:51.280 So that's interesting, isn't it?

00:09:52.840 I think this is the common denominator because you have a lot of accounts, or not necessarily right-wing.

00:09:59.760 That's the question.

00:10:01.060 Whether you could say right-leaning right now because it's 2024 and it is the 27th of June.

00:10:07.100 I'm just saying for context.

00:10:08.920 It's the current year, yes.

00:10:10.020 It's the current year.

00:10:11.120 So, for instance, a lot of gender-critical feminists were suspended.

00:10:14.860 Yeah.

00:10:15.340 Now, I wouldn't normally consider them right-wing.

00:10:19.140 Or...

00:10:19.260 J.K. Rowling.

00:10:19.800 But they're sort of enemies of the ascendant faction of the left.

00:10:23.600 The enemies of the state, yeah.

00:10:24.100 Yes.

00:10:24.360 So, right now, when, especially when the tea became prominent, they started approaching conservatives and other classical liberals and talking about their plight.

00:10:37.640 And, you know, they, right now, they may be seen as enemies of the progressive agenda.

00:10:43.820 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:44.160 And yet, you know, you've got David Tennant actually saying that Kemi Badenoch shouldn't exist.

00:10:54.700 That is an appalling, appalling utterance from a lefty.

00:11:02.060 But the linikers of this world never get suspended.

00:11:06.700 They just get helped.

00:11:08.760 Everything happens, yeah.

00:11:09.980 And it's supported.

00:11:10.740 It's like the policing system, isn't it?

00:11:12.200 It's very much a clear double standard.

00:11:15.520 Absolutely undeniable.

00:11:17.900 And it isn't just an issue of losing following.

00:11:21.420 It's also losing engagement.

00:11:22.860 Here I have Frank J. McCormick who says the conservative account suppressions and suspensions on X may not be Elon's fault, but they are his responsibility.

00:11:32.200 Like many of you, despite higher engagement, my impressions and likes are lower than when I had a third of my current followers.

00:11:39.420 I just want to know why.

00:11:40.400 So, it's also an issue of engagement.

00:11:44.040 It isn't.

00:11:44.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:45.960 So, shadow bans.

00:11:47.840 Yeah, I think it is possible because I've not necessarily had that effect.

00:11:53.300 But I imagine if it is a shadow ban, it's going to affect certain people specifically, right?

00:11:58.160 So, if certain people are having these massive drops in engagement, or at least it's not growing in a way that is linear, then you can presume that there are these shadow bans still carrying on, which I thought were being dealt with by Elon.

00:12:10.540 I think he was intending to get rid of them altogether.

00:12:12.440 No, I suffered that from, I can't even remember the tweet, but the tweet went absolutely viral.

00:12:20.360 And as you expect, you expect things to go up.

00:12:24.660 Didn't go up, didn't go up, didn't go up.

00:12:26.860 And it was, and yet, and Dan's was going up.

00:12:29.740 Was it the TR thing?

00:12:32.680 Possibly.

00:12:33.260 Yeah, I know that the retweet, you were going up, and mine was just flat.

00:12:39.440 Yeah.

00:12:39.820 And you think, something's happening, but obviously you don't know what.

00:12:43.560 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:44.420 But the shadow bans are quite common as well, aren't they?

00:12:46.960 So, your account wouldn't be promoted unless I went on and searched for you.

00:12:50.900 Yeah.

00:12:51.120 I wouldn't see you in my feed.

00:12:52.700 Yeah.

00:12:52.980 And that's the type of things.

00:12:53.960 But we've seen, you know, I've seen drops of numbers over the couple of years, for example, but never this scale.

00:13:01.240 And I've always put it down to dead accounts, bots, things like that, where when you see 50 have dropped off or something, it's strange if 50 went at once, but apparently it's a cull in the dead accounts.

00:13:10.720 But this is something else.

00:13:11.780 You know, this is absolutely something else.

00:13:13.500 Yes.

00:13:13.820 So, I was just sent a message, like thousands of other people, that I just violated the rules.

00:13:21.200 I wasn't told how, and I wasn't given any kind of deadline to say, for instance, that you have 12 hours to delete that tweet or something.

00:13:29.700 I appealed it three times.

00:13:32.420 I just got the same message back in response, an automatic response.

00:13:36.200 And here, John Wong, he tweeted about it.

00:13:40.680 He said, my esteemed friend, thank you, John, has been suspended.

00:13:44.980 And he is talking about it.

00:13:47.160 And he also circulated the photo.

00:13:49.600 This was the photo I was sent.

00:13:51.720 Right.

00:13:52.000 So, nothing else.

00:13:55.520 This account won't be restored.

00:13:58.240 That's what I was told.

00:13:59.640 Oh.

00:14:00.660 That's quite weird.

00:14:01.520 Also, thank you very much to the people here at Lotus Eaters who circulated this.

00:14:07.580 We also had a free Stelios campaign that Josh kick-started.

00:14:12.240 I didn't kick-start it.

00:14:13.640 Hashtag free Stelios.

00:14:14.940 No.

00:14:15.820 Our social media manager did this post first.

00:14:18.880 I'm not taking any credit.

00:14:21.380 But it did very well, didn't it?

00:14:23.760 It circulated quite a lot.

00:14:24.780 Yes, it did.

00:14:24.940 And I think that without this, I would be still suspended.

00:14:30.700 And this is also a thing that should be taken into account by the people at Twitter and by Elon Musk,

00:14:38.640 who is actually making Twitter better than it used to be.

00:14:41.500 And I think he's doing a great job here.

00:14:45.240 That a lot of accounts are being suspended because they're massively reported without actually having done something that is ban-worthy.

00:14:53.380 And they didn't have the fortune that I had.

00:14:57.380 There's lots of anti-philosophy people out there reporting you for sharing wisdom on Twitter for free.

00:15:02.720 Yes, and I want to say also to show you that it isn't just conservatives, classical liberals, and those who just interacted with a Visegrad 24 tweet.

00:15:13.160 It's far more widespread, and it also covers gender-critical feminists, you could say.

00:15:20.060 We have here Carolyn Farrow talking about the Family Trust Education.

00:15:24.720 Wait, sorry, I will rephrase.

00:15:27.800 The Family Education Trust, and they were suspended.

00:15:30.700 And let me just show you what their profile looks like, which doesn't seem to me to be ban-worthy.

00:15:39.960 I think there's no reason to suspend it.

00:15:43.920 They say, the UK's National Research Institute investigating and informing public discourse on issues affecting the flourishing of the family.

00:15:52.640 See, that's the word, family.

00:15:55.120 It's very, very dangerous in the People's Republic of South Wales.

00:16:01.440 It's, you know, I don't want that.

00:16:03.640 The state is the mummy.

00:16:05.040 Yeah, exactly, yeah.

00:16:06.440 We have a very maternalistic state across the West now.

00:16:10.040 Everyone's just supposed to be a nanny state.

00:16:12.220 But they have retweeted J.K. Rowling.

00:16:14.520 They have also made claims about people who were shadow-banned that if you follow, you will see that very frequently they post gender-critical stuff.

00:16:25.200 Yeah.

00:16:25.440 And also, you could say they post stuff about the current wars that are going on.

00:16:30.580 So, it is not just the people who interacted with the Visegrad24 tweet.

00:16:37.220 There are thousands of people who are basically anti-woke.

00:16:41.000 And you have here James Lindsay being right on this one.

00:16:44.100 He says, the common thing that they do is that they criticize woke tyranny.

00:16:49.180 Yeah.

00:16:50.700 So, that's the enemy.

00:16:52.780 Yeah.

00:16:53.340 That's the enemy as far as the progressivists are concerned.

00:16:56.300 And you only have to see J.K. Rowling's.

00:16:59.420 She was a socialist.

00:17:00.840 And suddenly, she stepped out of line.

00:17:03.660 And that was it.

00:17:04.580 How quickly they turn.

00:17:05.280 They cut the legs off.

00:17:07.480 And she's now a non-person.

00:17:10.340 I really liked the example of before and after she expressed her gender-critical views.

00:17:17.240 And the articles on Pink News, the puff piece after puff piece, written about her, praising her, saying how wonderful she is, how she's an icon.

00:17:25.540 Then all of a sudden, she is the devil in kind.

00:17:29.340 Well, they've done the same, didn't they, with, you know, a little bit off topic about Ukraine.

00:17:32.480 And not so long before, they were putting about the far-right problems in Ukraine.

00:17:36.200 A couple of years later, all of the best people in the world.

00:17:38.680 Yeah.

00:17:39.000 You know, so it's funny how the media can just switch their tune and go unchallenged.

00:17:43.480 So basically, now a lot of people are asking what happened, and it's not exactly certain what happened.

00:17:49.020 Some people were suspended automatically because they interacted with a Visegrad 24 tweet.

00:17:54.140 Others are talking about a bot purge.

00:17:57.200 And it was also suggested to me that my account may have been suspended because it sounds botty or something.

00:18:05.600 But it was verified.

00:18:06.880 You're a T-800.

00:18:07.860 It is verified.

00:18:09.060 And it was, yeah, it was re-verified a few days ago.

00:18:14.500 Yes, I had to do that too.

00:18:15.320 Yes, because they changed the picture.

00:18:16.860 So they re-verified it.

00:18:18.320 Is that right?

00:18:18.960 A few days ago.

00:18:19.940 So I don't think that this is plausible.

00:18:21.700 Did you tweet out about needing someone's boots and motorcycle by any chance?

00:18:27.020 No, I just, I want to say that at some point, AOC was dancing on stage.

00:18:33.240 And she was saying that this was very fun.

00:18:35.480 And I just said that twerking would be funnier.

00:18:37.880 Yeah.

00:18:39.060 Maybe that's too spicy for some people, but I don't think that is.

00:18:43.300 And I think that the general thing is that there are some people maybe still into the organization that have the anti-woke mentality and they flew under the radar.

00:18:54.700 And I want to say, I want to give you just some examples as to why I may have been targeted.

00:19:00.000 Yes.

00:19:00.420 And people, because everyone was asking, you were saying I publish philosophy stuff.

00:19:06.460 You know, my delivery is not spicy.

00:19:09.160 Yeah.

00:19:09.360 So I have some anti-woke takes like this one.

00:19:13.400 I'm saying that people underestimate just how extremist wokeness can be because there are some really bad tendencies within it.

00:19:21.240 Yeah.

00:19:21.660 So just in a nutshell, if people are saying that more and more people, things count as hate speech on the one hand, and they also have the silence is violence mentality on the other.

00:19:33.400 Well, there's nothing but celebration.

00:19:35.660 Yeah.

00:19:35.860 So unless you celebrate something, as far as the woke is concerned, they can do anything against you because they can plead self-defense.

00:19:44.240 Yeah.

00:19:44.680 You're, anything they do against you, it's self-defense.

00:19:47.700 Yeah.

00:19:47.840 Because they will say that, well, you didn't speak about me, you didn't talk about me, you were silent, and silence is violence.

00:19:54.640 Or hate speech, harm, psychological harm is also physical harm, that was violence, so that was what went on.

00:20:04.860 Now, another tweet that I think is very important, especially in late June 2024, I was tweeting something about the parties that call themselves center-right.

00:20:17.580 I think the English Conservative Party is one of them, and I think that they have absolutely turned their back on people who have traditional conservative values.

00:20:27.580 Absolutely.

00:20:28.360 Absolutely.

00:20:28.860 They have taken them for granted, and they wanted to expand leftwards, and they're full of visionless pragmatists and visionless administrators.

00:20:38.720 And what happened is they tried to have, to have it both ways. They tried to have a rhetoric that they thought appealed to people on the traditional right that was purely economic, and then they expanded towards the center with a different rhetoric that just regurgitates social democrat points.

00:20:57.540 So what happened is that right now, they're presenting a lot of people in the West, a dilemma between slow and fast social democracy.

00:21:06.080 So, yeah, this is not something, you know, this is productive engagement in political discourse. This is not something that should be banned, right?

00:21:14.440 Yes, but I'm saying that this annoys people. When you're exposing, you could say, woke people on.

00:21:22.080 When you're making a good argument.

00:21:23.260 The issue is that before Twitter, before social media, you would have political parties discussing topics, and then the left said, no, deplatform. We won't speak to them. We won't do that. So you had nowhere to go.

00:21:40.680 Twitter is that old-fashioned, I've got a view. Argue with me.

00:21:47.960 And they don't want, now they're targeting that. And they've already captured Facebook.

00:21:55.380 They've already captured YouTube, I'm afraid.

00:21:58.900 And now they're after Twitter. And we've got to preserve it, because the best antidote to anything vile is the oxygen of publicity.

00:22:12.660 Yes.

00:22:13.160 Shine that light on them.

00:22:14.980 That's what they don't want, though, innit? Because they're what's vile.

00:22:17.200 And the publicity, the light, they'll be on them.

00:22:19.400 And that's what they don't want.

00:22:20.120 It functions basically like the separation of powers, because, you know, if you have a state whose branches are distinct, you could say that they are creating obstacles and a system of checks and balances.

00:22:33.120 So if we have only mainstream media, well, they're going to disintegrate.

00:22:37.520 That's why we need all sources of information we can get.

00:22:41.900 So last sentence before I got suspended was basically, and this is why censorship will sadly intensify in the next five years.

00:22:49.480 I was talking to Captain Benjamin, who told me great poems here in Nice Long Post.

00:22:54.520 Thank you, Captain.

00:22:55.900 I told him, we need to articulate a variety of clear and responsible visions and communicate them.

00:23:01.000 Where the left sees structures that override agency, we must bring agency into the front.

00:23:06.060 No other way.

00:23:07.220 And this is why censorship will sadly intensify.

00:23:09.920 And that is why I'm talking about the nanny state.

00:23:12.300 Yeah.

00:23:12.480 The left right now wants us to view ourselves as just members of groups.

00:23:17.820 There is no individual responsibility, no individuality.

00:23:22.420 Everyone is just someone who is a passive, malleable thing without responsibilities.

00:23:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:29.420 And one, two last things here.

00:23:32.760 President Biden in June 19 said, today on Juneteenth, we celebrate all that is possible when we march forward together.

00:23:41.240 May we all recommit to redeeming the very soul of America, choosing love over hate, unity over division, and progress over retreat.

00:23:47.680 So woke people and people who are putting forward progressivism are repeatedly doing this.

00:23:55.880 They are divisive.

00:23:57.460 Wokeness is inherently divisive.

00:23:59.420 All the narratives of social justice are inherently divisive.

00:24:02.520 Yeah.

00:24:02.660 And they preach hatred and a kind of multiculturalism that is justifying preferential treatment of some groups.

00:24:09.720 So when people, I will say that when people put really matter of fact arguments about these notions and the delivery is not spicy, this is something that they really can't stand.

00:24:22.400 And I stand by this claim.

00:24:23.920 Yeah.

00:24:24.020 I really hate the name Juneteenth.

00:24:26.920 It's a really silly name.

00:24:28.000 Yes.

00:24:28.740 And one last thing, because this is very important for people to know.

00:24:34.120 When we are subjectivizing legislation and when laws are framed in irreducibly subjectivist phrases, like for instance, when hate speech laws, they're irreducibly subjectivist.

00:24:49.280 They're saying likely something is likely to cause harm.

00:24:52.740 Yeah.

00:24:53.440 That increases the arbitrary power of the state.

00:24:57.800 Yeah.

00:24:58.560 And they cannot call themselves progressive in any sense, in the actual sense of the term.

00:25:03.680 Yeah.

00:25:04.020 Because that's regressive.

00:25:05.180 Yeah.

00:25:05.520 Just going back to pre, let's say, non-arbitrariness.

00:25:09.800 Yeah.

00:25:10.480 Design of institutions.

00:25:12.260 That's exactly.

00:25:13.220 So that's the issue.

00:25:14.460 I refuse to engage in public discussion where the terms are set by the left.

00:25:18.920 That's why you see me sometimes very tense, because I'm really cautious about this.

00:25:23.960 I don't want to talk as if the left is the supporter or the champion of liberty, reason, and popular government.

00:25:31.680 I just won't.

00:25:32.260 But the issue is that even if you talked about love and flowers and trees and green and all sorts of things, because you are on the right, they will still find you and then report you.

00:25:48.540 Yeah.

00:25:48.980 Where our argument has always been, if you don't like what we say, turn over.

00:25:53.760 Yeah.

00:25:53.900 Switch off.

00:25:54.700 Yeah.

00:25:55.240 Go and listen to something else.

00:25:56.780 They do not want at all any other voice.

00:26:00.760 Yeah.

00:26:01.100 They want just an echo chamber.

00:26:02.400 And unfortunately, because most of the media is owned by certain people, the world narrative is now being changed as well.

00:26:12.040 You know, we are lone voices in this.

00:26:15.540 Absolutely.

00:26:17.100 Yeah.

00:26:17.580 So just to be clear, you still don't know actually why.

00:26:20.600 No.

00:26:21.680 I'm back.

00:26:22.480 I was reinstated, but no reason was given.

00:26:25.360 And it would be nice if we had a reason.

00:26:28.060 Yeah.

00:26:28.480 Yeah.

00:26:28.920 Well, you'd think so, wouldn't you?

00:26:31.640 Because then you can think, right, OK, I'll be a little more careful about that.

00:26:36.500 But because you don't know, you don't know.

00:26:38.740 Yeah.

00:26:39.120 Exactly.

00:26:39.920 Right.

00:26:40.180 Shall we move on to this national socialist problem in Wales, which I am very keen to hear about, actually?

00:26:46.920 Yeah.

00:26:47.420 So this is, well, it's a national socialist problem in Wales.

00:26:51.160 It isn't a new thing.

00:26:52.340 And it is something that is going to trickle over into England.

00:26:56.220 And this is something that we've been trying to warn about.

00:26:57.980 I know every time you've come up here, we've done segments on Wales.

00:27:00.500 And we do that to try and highlight what you've got coming your way with a Labour government.

00:27:05.600 Because Mark Drakeford was told by Keir Starmer that he is the ideal way of running the country.

00:27:12.520 All you've got to do is model yourself of Mark Drakeford.

00:27:15.200 You know, you guys probably know what he's been up to anyway with, you know, the toughest lockdowns, what he did the Christmas.

00:27:24.980 He shut all the shops on the night so everybody even rushed out.

00:27:28.220 There's lots of things that Mark Drakeford's done.

00:27:29.980 He wanted to put a curfew on all men.

00:27:34.280 Yeah.

00:27:35.200 And that was because of the Sarah Ebrard.

00:27:36.600 To six o'clock at night.

00:27:38.000 Yeah, because it was a Green Party lord, wasn't it, that mentioned it in the House of Lords.

00:27:42.300 And then he actually went ahead.

00:27:44.640 Yes.

00:27:44.920 Yeah, he actually thought it would be a good idea.

00:27:47.280 You know, which is unbelievable.

00:27:48.960 Because, you know, the guy who was doing it was a cop anyway.

00:27:51.400 Yeah, so he would be immune to a curfew anyway.

00:27:53.800 Because if there was a curfew where the police couldn't go out.

00:27:56.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:57.640 Well, it'd be great for criminals, wouldn't it?

00:27:59.640 Absolutely.

00:28:00.000 But this is something that we're seeing more and more now.

00:28:04.660 And it is what they say in a style of protest.

00:28:07.280 So give a little bit of a background.

00:28:08.600 Stan was in a Huston's.

00:28:10.000 You were actually on the panel of the Huston's as a candidate.

00:28:13.520 And you were basically sat in front of.

00:28:18.240 So they strategically sat you.

00:28:19.760 And as you can imagine, Stan...

00:28:20.880 I was on the far right.

00:28:21.820 He was on the far right.

00:28:22.620 And directly in front, which they as would be the far left, was hope nor hate.

00:28:26.980 Or hate nor hope.

00:28:27.720 And they sat them deliberately in front of the stand.

00:28:30.080 So he was getting the heckles all night, wasn't he?

00:28:33.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:33.840 But the Huston's itself, this was like no other Huston's I've ever seen or known ever.

00:28:39.860 Because it's in the area of the Strally Park Hotel.

00:28:42.640 Now, some of you viewers may remember when we came up before, we spoke about the victory

00:28:46.240 of the Strally Park Hotel over the Home Office, where they camped out for over 100 days,

00:28:51.540 24 hours a day protesting, and the Home Office pulled up.

00:28:54.660 So it's a politically charged atmosphere and area right then, isn't it?

00:28:59.220 Yeah.

00:28:59.620 And the lefty vicar and also the compere was hate not hope.

00:29:07.520 So you've got the Chamber of Commerce was supposed to be apolitical.

00:29:14.320 It's run by a Labour politician.

00:29:16.740 So you've got this atmosphere.

00:29:19.500 And in front of me, I had a trans and the wife or the husband, whichever.

00:29:24.960 And because I have spoke about and spoke out about sex education in schools in Wales

00:29:36.160 from three years of age, and that Nia Griffiths has been introduced by a trans on a stage in

00:29:45.920 front of children.

00:29:46.900 Yeah.

00:29:47.240 And I think it's vile, if I'm being perfectly blunt.

00:29:51.180 And so that's the setup that they thought they'd have me on.

00:29:55.680 Yeah.

00:29:55.960 And they had to do that because at the Strally Park Hotel, all of the politicians, all levels

00:29:59.800 of government, from councillors to Senate members to MPs, they all, Conservatives,

00:30:04.020 Plaid Cymru and Labour, all turned their back on the protesters.

00:30:07.040 The Conservative candidate, you know, he said congratulations to everybody who was in the

00:30:11.220 Hustins, which I thought was a bit rich, because he could have come along if he wanted

00:30:14.240 to, but he didn't.

00:30:15.380 But they were all ordered not to go, not to show support.

00:30:17.660 So the people in the area aren't happy with the politicians.

00:30:20.820 So they had to control it.

00:30:23.500 And more than that, Dan, there were people there who were told, well, lost business,

00:30:29.280 basically.

00:30:29.880 They lost business because their vehicles were seen at that Strally Park Hotel.

00:30:34.780 And also people in the pictures that were beamed out, they were told, individuals were told,

00:30:42.440 you cannot be there.

00:30:44.440 And these were nurses.

00:30:45.740 These were council employees.

00:30:47.800 So not only do they try and control your life in work, but also your livelihood is controlled

00:30:55.020 as well.

00:30:55.540 And that explains why we go up to so many people and they say, I can't speak to you because

00:31:00.180 I work for the council.

00:31:01.440 Yeah.

00:31:01.740 But we fully support you.

00:31:02.700 But we fully support you.

00:31:03.760 Those are the other words.

00:31:05.140 Or they'll tell us a story, but they won't come on camera, which is fine because it gives

00:31:09.660 us more background.

00:31:10.260 But it just shows how evil and pervasive people are as well.

00:31:14.800 The, the, the, the, you know, these socialists are in Wales.

00:31:18.660 Yeah.

00:31:19.180 So what they, they want to do and what they always try and do in Wales, you've got the

00:31:22.380 state sponsored media like Wales online or Tales online, we call them a nation Cymru,

00:31:26.460 nation Scumru.

00:31:27.140 Um, and they get their funding direct from Welsh government, you know, nation Cymru,

00:31:30.940 we did a deep dive on them and they're getting like 80,000 pounds over the next four years

00:31:35.320 of government funding.

00:31:36.320 So they are going to print the labor mantra, aren't they?

00:31:39.080 They're not going to bite the hands, feed them quite literally.

00:31:42.000 So they need, they need to spin the narrative.

00:31:44.460 And what happened is this headline, uh, came out.

00:31:47.840 Um, we don't need to really scroll through it all, but the private security brought into

00:31:51.920 police general election hustings infinitely amid politically charged climate.

00:31:56.500 Now this, this is basically the way this article reads them throughout is how there were so

00:32:03.400 many people there protesting against it.

00:32:05.200 Obviously they're all far right.

00:32:06.600 You know, people protesting for the first time were far right.

00:32:09.080 So they needed to paint the picture that this is going to be a dangerous hustings.

00:32:12.360 We need private security because of the far right.

00:32:14.960 However, we've got a lot of friends actually in the labor council, labor, labor counselors,

00:32:21.440 for example, and other counselors who will give us information and tell us things that

00:32:24.920 are going on.

00:32:25.340 And what we heard and what we were told is that this private security was more concerned

00:32:29.520 with the far left because what we're seeing now is their new habits of throwing things

00:32:33.940 at or over, um, candidates they don't like.

00:32:37.260 And Stan features regularly on the local hate not hope pages and the nation scumery and the

00:32:43.520 whales on lines because they, you know, like the constant reporting, it happens all the time

00:32:48.100 to you, doesn't it?

00:32:49.160 So there was concerns that the candidates weren't going to be safe to yourself.

00:32:52.360 And there's a reform candidate, Gareth Beer, as well.

00:32:54.620 Yeah.

00:32:54.980 Um, and they were concerned how the left behave and that was going to be coming onto their

00:32:59.300 doors.

00:32:59.820 And that's what, that was the genuine.

00:33:05.540 Oh, sorry.

00:33:07.500 So, yeah.

00:33:08.300 So basically that's the narrative they wanted to paint that the, the troubles are going

00:33:12.440 to be with the far right.

00:33:13.380 However, it was with the far left.

00:33:16.120 Now, because the local counselors, um, who were running it near Griffiths is the local

00:33:21.520 MP.

00:33:21.960 She's there for labor.

00:33:22.780 And then you've got Plaid Cymru who run the council.

00:33:25.760 So it was very, um, rigid, the rules of this Huston's.

00:33:30.620 You were given three questions, albeit you had the wrong question.

00:33:33.860 So they give him three different questions and all the other candidates had the other

00:33:37.320 one.

00:33:37.460 So on the day I saw your face, cause literally the, on that day before we were sitting down

00:33:41.780 having a beer with me and we were going through the questions.

00:33:44.660 And as soon as they asked the first question, I knew as like they switched them that, that he

00:33:48.920 hasn't mentioned this question and we've seen your email.

00:33:50.920 So, but also you weren't allowed to directly question candidates.

00:33:55.120 Now Huston's is an opportunity for the general public, the constituents to ask questions of

00:34:01.380 the politicians or the would be politicians in front of them if they were to be elected.

00:34:05.280 But that was totally banned.

00:34:06.980 But surely that undermines the whole point of the event in the first place, because otherwise

00:34:11.100 they may as well just listen to party political broadcasts and read the manifesto rather than

00:34:15.360 Well, we were calling it a high no, you know, Huston's in name only, cause that's

00:34:18.420 absolutely what it was.

00:34:19.500 So this isn't, well, it is kind of, cause it shows what Stan's approach was to this.

00:34:25.200 And this was Stan's first two minutes.

00:34:27.040 And what happened is because they weren't allowed to ask questions, Stan had been around the

00:34:31.200 constituency already and got a load of questions and your two minute introduction, you use to

00:34:36.500 ask them questions or put it to the politicians.

00:34:38.520 But if we play this, I'll give you an idea of what it's about.

00:34:40.900 Oh, there should be some audio there.

00:34:47.000 Ladies and gentlemen, my name's Stan Robinson.

00:34:49.860 I'm standing for United Kingdom Independence Party here in Flanethle.

00:34:54.600 My interest here is also with the Voice of Wales.

00:34:58.240 I'm a co-presenter of that.

00:34:59.560 And the reason why I'm wearing my saucepan badge tonight.

00:35:03.980 The questions that aren't being allowed to be asked is because this is a rigged chamber

00:35:11.220 of commerce meeting.

00:35:12.300 And these are the questions that Daphne, Sue and Derek would like to have asked if they

00:35:19.200 could have done.

00:35:20.620 Why are they, in their 70s and 80s, being labelled far-right extremists for caring for

00:35:27.040 their grandchildren when they were protesting outside of the Stradi Park Hotel?

00:35:32.040 It is an absolute scandal.

00:35:33.380 So, Raina from Carway, a father of five, is homeschooling.

00:35:43.020 And the reason for that is because Wales is absolutely the bottom of the class when it

00:35:49.040 comes to kids.

00:35:50.160 And also, they don't care about the school like Gilgotha or any other one because they

00:35:56.160 care more about net zero.

00:35:59.180 And that's the problem.

00:36:00.320 They've got the budget, and yet they choose to spend it on net zero stuff.

00:36:05.980 It is an absolute scandal.

00:36:07.660 Whilst people are taking their kids out because of the indoctrination, and you're part of that

00:36:12.320 indoctrination, Nia, because you go in and you stand there with trance.

00:36:26.840 She's saying you're not allowed to attack the candidates.

00:36:28.940 In the hustings, it is generally that you have general questions from members of the

00:36:34.220 public, not a select few.

00:36:37.000 And I'm sorry, Reverend, but it's my two minutes, not your two minutes.

00:36:41.340 So, thank you very much.

00:36:43.880 Chloe from Planelli wants to know why she, she's got three children, she can't be housed

00:36:50.020 in, she's got a substandard house, and yet there are others who get off on a dinghy and

00:36:54.920 they get housed within Camarthonshire.

00:36:57.300 It is not right, and it's time to spot it.

00:37:03.420 Charity begins at home.

00:37:05.320 And to give you a bit of biblical, do the little things.

00:37:08.400 Well, we're sick of not having the little things done in this town.

00:37:12.000 And that's why a city status will never be correct until you get the little things right

00:37:17.400 and tidy this town up.

00:37:19.320 Make Planelli great again.

00:37:23.600 So that's that.

00:37:24.840 That's great stuff.

00:37:25.840 And, you know, you had the most, it was a little bit of a funny story, but when this

00:37:31.240 article came out, you just saw there, it said this, you know, at the moment there was 20

00:37:35.300 tickets available for the audience to buy because the Labour Party stole most of them

00:37:40.280 and then they allowed 20 to go on sale.

00:37:42.780 When we went on, there was 18 left, we bought them all and obviously filled the room.

00:37:46.700 So, and you had a really great time.

00:37:48.120 And this is why that Reverend there, that lady in black, every time you spoke, they'd be

00:37:53.540 hearkening and interrupting basically.

00:37:55.360 But that was the, and I wanted to put that in because it shows your energy.

00:37:59.460 So it shows how much that type of thing being said in front of hope, not hate or hate, not

00:38:05.060 hope is going to rile them up a little bit, you know, and they, it's pretty standard stuff.

00:38:08.720 It's not, not, not wrong at all.

00:38:10.720 But then the next thing happened, which is where we get onto the segment heading with the

00:38:16.420 national socialist problem.

00:38:18.080 Now this is a Labour councillor.

00:38:20.020 His name is Gary Jones.

00:38:21.760 Yeah.

00:38:22.060 And yeah, we'll play the video and then you can see for yourself.

00:38:25.360 Napoleon said that Britain is a nation of shopkeepers and that's where we should start.

00:38:31.020 The small businesses, get them all their feet.

00:38:34.160 If it means that we have free parking in town, that's what we do.

00:38:38.400 We've got to get the small businesses up and running.

00:38:41.100 We've got to get the market traders back trading infinitely.

00:38:45.180 Not listen to you.

00:38:46.360 who you are?

00:38:52.020 You can do it.

00:38:52.740 You can do it.

00:38:53.800 You can do it.

00:38:54.900 You see Kyle in bathe.

00:38:56.300 You see Kyle in bathe.

00:38:57.560 So that's four. So you didn't just look at once, four did I?

00:39:01.560 You should ask him to leave. You should be the one way.

00:39:05.560 Oh, my God.

00:39:09.560 I'm not getting from the far left inside of the room.

00:39:15.560 I'm actually thinking about it. After me, this is...

00:39:19.560 Just watching now.

00:39:22.560 But it's not even...

00:39:25.560 Did they really say that the five 17-year-olds were far-right extremists?

00:39:36.220 Yes. Yeah, everybody that went there.

00:39:38.180 And, you know, it gets worse than that.

00:39:39.420 I was toying with the two ideas because now we've got this guy's ex-EDL.

00:39:45.040 He now works with Prevent and he's there to get involved.

00:39:47.840 And they're going into local colleges giving a speech about how the far-right recruit people.

00:39:52.240 And if your parents or brothers are becoming part of the far-right, take a form and you can have a chat with us anonymously.

00:39:57.980 So, you know, they're proactively going to school.

00:39:59.740 You can dub in your own parents.

00:40:01.540 It's a bit like the killing fields in Vietnam where, you know, the state was crossed.

00:40:06.540 The parents were crossed out and the state was the parents.

00:40:09.920 And we're one step off that in Wales.

00:40:14.360 That's how bad and pernicious the Welsh are now, the Welsh socialists are.

00:40:18.460 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:19.280 So, obviously, you know, you can see that didn't go down well at all with the people in the audience.

00:40:22.840 Even some on the left were saying that's out of order.

00:40:25.580 You shouldn't be doing that.

00:40:26.700 And, you know, hats off to them because normally they put their head in the sand like Nia Griffiths did.

00:40:31.240 His, you know, he campaigns for her and she sat there saying nothing.

00:40:35.620 But, obviously, we put this all over social media.

00:40:37.560 And we were expecting an actual response from the Labour Party.

00:40:43.120 However, you know, we don't need to go through these articles.

00:40:45.400 I just want to show you the headlines.

00:40:47.180 Because we had reported it online, the state-sponsored media then had to.

00:40:51.800 But they come out in support.

00:40:53.540 So, they basically speak to him, try and get his version of events.

00:40:56.680 They say that it was in protest.

00:40:58.340 You know, he didn't mean it.

00:40:59.860 He regrets it and all this.

00:41:00.960 So, they want to get that out straight away.

00:41:03.080 However, you can see by the video, you know, he didn't do it once and then think, oh, no.

00:41:06.960 He did it four times.

00:41:08.560 Blew a kiss on the way out as well.

00:41:09.860 So, there was no remorse.

00:41:10.900 And that.

00:41:11.960 And his finger under his nose while he was doing it.

00:41:13.880 You can't see it in that one.

00:41:14.820 But they were reports from people who were around him.

00:41:18.320 So, Nation Cymru come up with this one.

00:41:20.360 And then if you go on to the next one, it's Wales Online.

00:41:22.640 Again, this, you know, it says it's written by a different person.

00:41:25.560 This is by Abbey, whatever.

00:41:26.920 I can't read it from here.

00:41:28.160 But it's word for word, more or less, isn't it?

00:41:31.140 Yeah, it's word for word.

00:41:32.220 And what they're saying is, what they're making it out to be, is I should be apologetic.

00:41:38.840 Yeah.

00:41:39.720 Because they are doing it.

00:41:41.240 Yeah.

00:41:42.020 Yeah.

00:41:42.880 I should be the one that has, you know, Hess, whip my own back and ring a bell and say unclean

00:41:49.140 intellectually.

00:41:50.060 It's him and the leadership in Labour.

00:41:54.440 Yeah.

00:41:54.600 Not one of them have come out and said, this is appalling.

00:41:57.780 You know, we've seen attacks on MPs.

00:42:00.640 We've seen attacks on candidates.

00:42:02.800 Nigel Farage has been milkshaped, et cetera, et cetera.

00:42:06.820 And the Labour Party are the first to say, oh, we need a kinder, gentler politics.

00:42:13.920 Yeah.

00:42:14.080 Except when it comes to people on the right.

00:42:16.760 Yeah, because it's particularly significant.

00:42:18.960 It doesn't seem, you know, that important.

00:42:21.280 You could sort of brush it off.

00:42:22.560 But the sort of subtext of it is that he's signalling that you have national socialist views, which

00:42:28.700 you don't have, obviously.

00:42:30.380 And that would be a pretext for people on the left or even people on the right as well

00:42:35.100 to be violent towards you.

00:42:36.660 Yeah.

00:42:36.940 Absolutely.

00:42:37.520 I mean, the whole thing, what he keeps, he's fascinated with Franco.

00:42:41.840 I wrote a piece two years ago or more than two years ago about Franco and the fact that

00:42:47.220 because he remained neutral, it saved Gibraltar.

00:42:51.360 And therefore, we wouldn't have won if we hadn't, if Gibraltar had been conquered.

00:42:56.120 That's for sure.

00:42:56.860 The Germans would have kept Greece, Malta, Cyprus, the oil fields, the whole of North

00:43:05.200 Africa, and we would have lost.

00:43:07.100 We would have lost absolutely.

00:43:09.360 And so the pretext of the essay was, my enemy's enemy is my friend.

00:43:14.880 And that was it.

00:43:16.680 And since then, this has been a campaign that he's run.

00:43:20.480 Yeah.

00:43:20.880 Yeah.

00:43:21.000 But this makes zero sense if they took an issue with.

00:43:24.540 Because you could say that if the World War II had never happened, the British Empire

00:43:29.460 wouldn't have the fate it did have.

00:43:34.200 Yeah.

00:43:34.440 Yeah.

00:43:34.600 That doesn't mean that the person who started it was a friend of the British Empire.

00:43:38.620 Yeah.

00:43:38.820 Correct.

00:43:39.160 Correct.

00:43:39.460 Yeah.

00:43:39.700 Absolutely.

00:43:40.100 Just absolute total fallacy.

00:43:42.140 Yeah.

00:43:42.680 And, you know, this isn't an isolated incident.

00:43:44.760 There's another one that this is recent.

00:43:46.480 This is all within this election campaign, by the way.

00:43:49.020 And if you play this video, this is a guy in Sketti, which is in Swans.

00:43:53.640 Okay.

00:43:53.840 So knock again.

00:43:55.640 See, he did it there.

00:43:56.840 Excuse me.

00:43:57.480 Yeah.

00:43:58.220 Goodbye.

00:43:59.060 You're on camera.

00:44:00.300 Yeah.

00:44:00.600 Goodbye.

00:44:01.680 So obviously he's trying to change it now.

00:44:05.440 Goodbye.

00:44:06.400 Go knock again.

00:44:07.460 All right.

00:44:07.900 Put you down as a gate.

00:44:10.420 Yes.

00:44:10.940 All right.

00:44:11.220 I'll put you down as a gate.

00:44:12.020 So the pretext of this is he'd said, no, I don't want your leaflet.

00:44:16.340 So then he turned around and started doing the Hitler salute again.

00:44:20.200 To his face on his doorstep.

00:44:21.620 And that, you know, to me, you know, we go door knocking when, you know, in your campaign

00:44:25.860 and stuff like that.

00:44:26.420 And if someone says, no, I'm all right, thank you.

00:44:28.160 We say, no problem.

00:44:28.900 Have a lovely day.

00:44:29.920 But that is their response.

00:44:31.020 And this is the people, this is the kind of gentler politician that the Labour Party

00:44:34.660 is preaching.

00:44:35.120 Because again, nothing has happened to this guy.

00:44:37.660 But lastly, because I know we're pushing the time here.

00:44:40.480 There is an example of what has happened.

00:44:43.700 This will go back to 2017.

00:44:45.380 However, Nazi salute Plymouth councillor Johnny Morris suspended.

00:44:49.940 I remember that.

00:44:50.600 Yeah.

00:44:50.820 Yeah.

00:44:51.460 And they actually had, you know, the Devon and Corbyn police actually were investigating

00:44:56.540 it as public order.

00:44:57.920 The Labour Party, no nonsense, got rid of him straight away.

00:45:01.320 This is back in 2017.

00:45:02.980 And does this show how times change?

00:45:04.980 Or does this show what Welsh Labour is like and how extreme it is compared to what you've

00:45:11.200 seen here in England?

00:45:12.400 Yeah.

00:45:12.540 Is it a taste of what you've got to come?

00:45:14.900 And, you know, my opinion is you do something like this in a Hustins where you've got constituents,

00:45:20.760 your own constituents, where some are veterans, some have lost people in the war.

00:45:24.100 And you do something like that.

00:45:25.020 It should be instant.

00:45:25.800 No messing around.

00:45:26.660 Some people in that audience could be Jewish.

00:45:28.660 Yeah.

00:45:28.820 He did not know when he did that vile act.

00:45:33.220 So I don't know if I'm wrong.

00:45:34.820 Is this an offence that should make you, well, get you suspended?

00:45:39.320 Should the police be involved?

00:45:40.360 I guess I believe so.

00:45:41.660 Yeah.

00:45:42.000 And that's, you know, no matter which side of politics it comes from.

00:45:45.900 If anybody's prepared to do something like that in public, then they should be dealt with.

00:45:49.200 But the Labour Party in Wales just rushed to the defence of the councillor.

00:45:52.520 A politician, certainly.

00:45:54.180 Yeah.

00:45:54.440 You know, a politician, definitely.

00:45:56.200 Yeah.

00:45:56.380 I think it's one of those things where it's very difficult to draw a line between free expression.

00:46:01.980 Like I get my middle name from someone who died in World War II fighting against the Germans.

00:46:07.240 So I'm certainly no apologist.

00:46:09.980 But at the same time, if it's done in satire, I can see circumstances where it could be acceptable.

00:46:16.880 But at the same time, I agree that it is inappropriate for politicians to do it, particularly in Britain,

00:46:22.280 when there are people who have lost family members.

00:46:25.100 Because it's just insensitive and needless and sensationalist.

00:46:29.220 And it's signalling to certain people that perhaps you should target this person.

00:46:34.680 Yeah, absolutely.

00:46:35.500 You know, we've just had D-Day, you know, and we've seen the amount of men that are left taking that trip.

00:46:40.980 You know, they're sailing over.

00:46:42.240 But it's, you know, a handful now, isn't it?

00:46:44.080 I think it's five or six, maybe.

00:46:45.600 And we've still got people in living memory or, you know, that are living now that remember these things and to have councillors doing this.

00:46:52.500 Now, my argument is when people have said, oh, he was joking.

00:46:55.540 And it's like, well, let's judge him by his standards.

00:46:58.500 What would he want to happen if Stan had done that?

00:47:01.180 You know, and he'd be in the gulag, simple as.

00:47:03.120 I mean, my dad's brother died at Arnhem.

00:47:08.540 So I had a grandfather I never knew.

00:47:13.720 You know, he was killed.

00:47:14.880 And in the First World War, although it was the Kaiser then.

00:47:18.900 But, you know, we lost family members there.

00:47:24.300 So it is still raw.

00:47:26.500 And for politicians to do that is just, it's completely unacceptable.

00:47:31.000 Yeah, there's a time and a place.

00:47:33.460 So that's pretty much it on the rise of the National Socialists in Wales.

00:47:38.920 Well, that was slightly depressing.

00:47:42.600 But now for something a bit more upbeat.

00:47:46.160 And that is tribes.

00:47:48.420 I know we don't talk about tribal politics that often.

00:47:52.860 Oh, wait, that's a joke, of course.

00:47:55.220 Yes, we do.

00:47:56.120 But this time it's actual tribes.

00:47:58.160 And I wanted to talk a little bit about something that's been in the news.

00:48:00.500 You might be able to preempt based on what I'm talking about first, what news story this might be.

00:48:05.620 But I wanted to talk preliminarily about isolated tribes.

00:48:10.980 Obviously, this isn't a problem in the upcoming elections in both the UK and US.

00:48:15.540 But there is something very, very important.

00:48:18.020 There's an important bit of commentary here that is of interest to all human beings, I think.

00:48:22.980 But don't worry, I'll get to it.

00:48:24.600 There's a bit of a surprise.

00:48:25.440 It's going to be a bit of fun.

00:48:26.820 Right.

00:48:27.040 So, obviously, tribes that come into contact with Europe, they don't tend to fare too well.

00:48:34.180 In Australia, for example, they have significant problems with alcohol abuse.

00:48:38.540 We've got examples where the Australian government has to put out information campaigns telling them not to drink petrol.

00:48:44.240 They sleep in the middle of the road.

00:48:47.160 There have been videos saying, please don't sleep in the road because you'll get hit by a car.

00:48:51.860 You know, they're not faring too well with modernity.

00:48:55.940 Let's just say that.

00:48:57.460 And, you know, it's to the point where Australia has to re-ban alcohol in some Aboriginal communities just to make sure they don't drink themselves to death,

00:49:04.800 which is actually quite tragic, really, because, you know, I'm joking around, but, you know, I have a certain amount of admiration for people who live as hunter-gatherers, right?

00:49:15.120 You know, I grew up on the edge of Dartmoor.

00:49:17.040 I like my camping.

00:49:17.820 I've watched Ray Mears growing up.

00:49:19.820 I love my sort of bushcraft.

00:49:21.500 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:21.960 So, you know, I've got a certain amount of respect for it.

00:49:23.800 I'm not putting them down.

00:49:24.660 I'm just saying that there's a certain responsibility that we have not to spoil their way of life.

00:49:32.620 And I think sometimes that does happen when there is contact between the two.

00:49:36.660 And things like the North Sentinelese, famous now in the news because Lord Miles is saying that he's going to go there.

00:49:45.560 Don't think he's being serious.

00:49:46.620 But part of the reason that they're so hostile to outsiders and they killed an American, I think he was there to convert them to Christianity, if I remember rightly off the top of my head.

00:49:58.020 But they became hostile after contracting diseases from coming into contact with the outside world.

00:50:04.620 And, in fact, you've got people in the Andaman Islands, which is, you know, sort of Indian Ocean as well.

00:50:12.060 And they supposedly were hit pretty heavily with coronavirus, of all things, because they simply don't have the immune systems.

00:50:20.800 Right.

00:50:21.160 But, you know, there are lots of cases of other diseases.

00:50:23.360 You've got the Native Americans with smallpox.

00:50:25.420 And so they don't have immune systems.

00:50:28.200 It is dangerous for them.

00:50:30.220 And there's also things like this.

00:50:33.980 Uncontacted tribes in Indonesia coming across illegal mining and logging.

00:50:39.460 And this happens in the Amazon as well.

00:50:40.860 And this threatens their way of life.

00:50:42.960 And it's making them force that to end their isolation in the Amazon, which I think is a tragedy, really.

00:50:50.240 You know, it's similar in my mind to having a species go extinct, that a culture has to be forced to be destroyed.

00:50:57.980 And it is to the point now where there are magazines like Time saying, is it ethical to leave uncontacted tribes alone?

00:51:06.280 And I think it should be the opposite question, really.

00:51:08.940 Should it be ethical to contact them?

00:51:11.360 I think they should be left alone personally to mind their own business, because clearly we're not doing them any favours from what we've had here.

00:51:17.940 They seem happy enough.

00:51:18.940 Yeah, they do.

00:51:19.720 And that leads us to this.

00:51:25.520 So the Internet's final frontier, remote Amazon tribe.

00:51:29.560 So this is a story about how a journalist took the trek into a remote part of the Amazon to find out what a remote, isolated tribe, how it's faring after it's got Elon Musk's Starlink.

00:51:43.660 Right.

00:51:44.260 Which I think is a great thing, right?

00:51:45.960 You can be in the middle of the Amazon and you can get high speed Internet.

00:51:50.080 I like that.

00:51:51.000 I mean, I want that all over the world.

00:51:52.740 I can't get it anyway.

00:51:53.660 I'm waiting.

00:51:54.160 Yeah, I don't even get it in Swindon.

00:51:57.140 That's an interesting title because they're saying Elon Musk's Starlink has connected an isolated tribe to the outside world and divided it from within.

00:52:05.260 Well, obviously there's an incentive here to paint Elon Musk as being a bad guy because he's got naughty politics and therefore him providing them with Internet is bad and he's destroying their culture because it's Elon Musk, it's him personally that's doing this.

00:52:20.480 He just hates Amazonian tribes.

00:52:22.820 Okay, so they really don't like the dissolution of that culture, but they have zero problem with the destruction of other cultures.

00:52:29.540 Yeah, that's true.

00:52:30.800 But this article is very long and I actually quite enjoyed reading it despite the sort of political agenda.

00:52:35.380 It was quite interesting from a sort of anthropological perspective.

00:52:39.160 It did try and sort of grapple with the issues and weigh up the pros and cons and sort of give a spectrum of opinions.

00:52:45.680 But of course, they've got to have a sort of clickbaity title that gets people to read it.

00:52:49.100 Right.

00:52:49.260 So this is actually talking about the Marubo people, which is about a 2000 plus strong tribe in the Amazon, the Brazilian Amazon, that is.

00:52:57.640 And this article, which doesn't make any mention of, you know, any of the problems in the headline other than that it's slightly divided, sparked a very large amount of coverage from other outlets.

00:53:11.480 But it took a slightly different tone.

00:53:13.160 So here we have the New York Post saying remote Amazon tribe finally connects to Internet only to wind up hooked on porn and social media, which I think is hard to imagine that these tribes who are still living sort of semi hunter-gatherer lifestyles.

00:53:30.680 So they're posting on social media, just like, just, you know, wrestled an anaconda today by humble bragging.

00:53:38.000 And then they go back to their hut and who knows what in the privacy of their leaves.

00:53:43.060 So this was published at the start of June, and it's one of the first articles written about this and taking this angle.

00:53:52.020 And I'm going to read a little bit from it because the language they use and how they explain it's going to become very important.

00:53:57.320 A reclusive tribe in the Amazon finally got hooked up to the Internet thanks to Elon Musk, only to be torn apart by social media and pornography addictions, elders complain.

00:54:06.360 Brazil's 2000 member Marubo tribe has been left bitterly divided by the arrival of Tesla founder's Starlink service nine months ago, which connected the remote rainforest community along the Etui River to the web for the first time.

00:54:18.720 And this is a direct quote.

00:54:19.700 When it arrived, everyone was happy, Tassi Nama Marubo, 73, told the New York Times.

00:54:27.300 But now things have gotten worse.

00:54:28.800 Young people have gotten lazy because of the Internet.

00:54:31.260 They're learning the ways of the white people, which I feel is a bit harsh.

00:54:34.560 Oh, it's pretty true, though.

00:54:36.560 You know, when you look at the younger generation now, you know, absolutely.

00:54:40.880 You know, social media, that's all they do.

00:54:42.980 You know, they sit on TikTok, Facebook, you know, and it tends to be their life now.

00:54:46.940 I think there's been a pushback in recent years.

00:54:49.560 None of my old school friends have Facebook accounts anymore.

00:54:53.860 I got rid of mine.

00:54:55.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:55.840 Loads of people are moving away from it because they realize it's pretty vapid and meaningless.

00:54:59.740 I mean, like 16-year-olds now.

00:55:01.620 Yeah, that's true.

00:55:02.420 Before they know better, I think.

00:55:04.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:05.260 Yeah, absolutely.

00:55:05.980 We remember it coming in.

00:55:07.340 Yeah, exactly.

00:55:07.700 Because we've seen the damage, whereas to them, it's the norm.

00:55:10.340 So, yeah, yeah.

00:55:11.240 I mean, it was about when I was still in school.

00:55:13.880 Yes.

00:55:14.600 I'm only 28, although this job has aged me a bit.

00:55:17.440 But yes, and there was a follow-up article from the New York Times that sort of rebutted this narrative because over a hundred different outlets covered this angle of this story, saying, yeah, Elon Musk got an Amazonian tribe addicted to porn was the angle.

00:55:37.640 And we'll be naming and shaming them later.

00:55:39.480 Yeah.

00:55:40.040 But this is the same guy who went to the Amazonian tribe, did the article, you know, spoke to them.

00:55:47.440 Yeah.

00:55:48.020 He was there.

00:55:49.000 He's the one to know.

00:55:50.200 And he says, no, they did not get addicted to porn.

00:55:52.700 So, he goes on to say, actually, the leader of the tribe spent a year outside of the jungle and thought that Starlink could help his tribe get better internet because they had it already.

00:56:03.800 So, they decided as a community, after they discussed it, weighed up the pros and cons, which he communicated to them, they decided that it's more useful than harmful.

00:56:12.700 Yeah.

00:56:13.260 So, it wasn't just something that they had no idea of.

00:56:16.240 No.

00:56:16.380 You know, they've got, it's not that they have no contact with the outside world, it's just that they had it because it provides better internet than getting a cable from, like, some of the more urban areas of Brazil and running it all the way through the Amazon.

00:56:30.860 It makes more sense to do that.

00:56:32.180 And so, it was misrepresented that these were just people who were completely uncontacted, no notion of the outside world.

00:56:41.620 And, in fact, it says that most people in the community think it's an overall positive thing with few downsides.

00:56:48.560 And I've got a direct quote here.

00:56:49.680 And it says, over the past week, more than 100 websites around the world have published headlines that falsely claim the Maribo have become addicted to porn.

00:56:57.500 Alongside those headlines, the sites published images of the Maribo people in their villages.

00:57:03.040 And it's worth mentioning that this culture frowns upon even kissing in public.

00:57:08.660 Right.

00:57:08.820 So, the notion that they're going to be, you know, they're so conservative that they don't even like that.

00:57:13.040 Yeah.

00:57:13.140 So, the notion that they're going to be all, you know, be addicted to pornography is a bit much.

00:57:19.040 So, what actually happened was there was a single case that is mentioned in the original New York Times article of a minor posting pornography in a WhatsApp group chat, which is obviously not ideal.

00:57:29.220 It's something that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

00:57:31.180 And, obviously, that's bad.

00:57:32.320 But one case where they were told off and said, don't do that again, don't look at that, it's bad for you, which is what actually happened, doesn't mean the entire tribe is approving of it.

00:57:43.780 That's very, very different.

00:57:45.020 It wouldn't make a title.

00:57:46.680 Yeah.

00:57:46.820 But you've got to think that if he was just putting the satellite stuff there, they had to have mobile phones in the first place.

00:57:57.660 Well, exactly.

00:57:58.640 So, people thinking about this, reading that would have thought, oh, so they'd have had to teach them to read and write.

00:58:09.040 Yeah.

00:58:09.900 There's a lot of things you'd have to learn, isn't it?

00:58:11.180 Even mobile phones.

00:58:11.760 I was under the impression of, you know, like, you know, bringing in this brand new thing and they'd say, oh, you know, but it's not.

00:58:20.320 You see, what you've got there is something that mainstream journalists don't have.

00:58:23.740 It's common sense.

00:58:25.280 Yes.

00:58:27.520 Rational inference as well.

00:58:28.880 But yes, the misreporting of this story by all of the mainstream media has obviously caused a major amount of distress in the tribe because it's caused them a lot of reputational damage.

00:58:40.200 You know, if wherever they go, people are doing obscene hand gestures to signal what they get up to in their huts, then it's going to hurt their feelings because they are human beings.

00:58:50.700 And they do work in, like, small towns in sort of the more conventionally Brazilian parts of the Amazon.

00:58:59.660 They live, work and study there.

00:59:01.220 They're not completely isolated.

00:59:03.060 And there are rumors in these towns about these people now.

00:59:06.020 And they're going to have to live with it because of the mainstream media coverage.

00:59:09.700 And also, of course, they have access to the Internet.

00:59:11.920 So they can be trolled and abused directly now by people on the Internet.

00:59:16.380 The notion that in my living memory I can troll a remote Amazonian tribe, I didn't think was possible.

00:59:24.340 But obviously don't do it.

00:59:25.540 I'd love the headline.

00:59:27.300 Elon bans tribe in Amazon.

00:59:31.300 D-platforms.

00:59:32.280 D-platforms.

00:59:33.460 Tribe member gets suspended.

00:59:35.340 But then it's very interesting how they explain because they're spot on as to why this has actually happened.

00:59:41.120 It says many of the sites that distorted this detail are news aggregators, meaning their business model is largely designed around repackaging the reporting of other news organizations with often sensationalist headlines to sell ads, which is 100% true.

00:59:54.800 Because these sites also link to the original reporting, they're generally legally protected, even if they misrepresent the material.

01:00:02.960 By now, these sorts of sites and misleading headlines are just another part of the Internet economy.

01:00:09.440 To an informed Internet user, their tactics are familiar.

01:00:12.280 But for the Marubo people, however, the experience was bewildering and infuriating.

01:00:17.140 Send us that link.

01:00:19.580 Yeah.

01:00:19.880 Yeah.

01:00:20.980 What to this article where they say that?

01:00:23.340 What you've just read.

01:00:24.060 Yeah.

01:00:24.380 OK, of course.

01:00:25.320 Yeah.

01:00:25.400 Thank you.

01:00:26.740 And even Elon Musk fell victim to a bit of misinformation.

01:00:30.420 So I don't know who this guy is.

01:00:32.100 S.E. Robinson Jr.

01:00:34.020 Says the New York Times posted a false story about Starlink and an Amazonian tribe.

01:00:38.480 But it wasn't a false story.

01:00:41.160 It wasn't them that actually got it wrong.

01:00:43.300 They were the ones that were the original story that was misrepresented.

01:00:46.900 And then Elon Musk is now presenting misinformation on top of misinformation here.

01:00:51.400 It was disrespectful and unkind of the New York Times to say that about the tribe.

01:00:54.940 But it actually wasn't them.

01:00:56.960 Yeah.

01:00:57.120 And I'm no defender of the New York Times.

01:00:58.780 They're not paying me any money, by the way.

01:01:00.660 And I have done an entire book club on a book exposing stories of where the New York Times has actively misrepresented and lied.

01:01:08.280 So you can watch that.

01:01:09.280 Me and Harry did it a long time ago.

01:01:11.380 Yes.

01:01:11.640 Not a fan of them.

01:01:12.900 But, you know, I do actually care about something that isn't cared about too much anymore.

01:01:17.040 It's called truth.

01:01:18.640 It's an oft overlooked thing in this day and age.

01:01:22.480 But, yes, it's also worth mentioning another person out on the Internet.

01:01:27.000 This gave me hope for humanity, did their due diligence, and actually did some research and said that they've been using the Internet for a long time.

01:01:35.000 This isn't really anything new.

01:01:36.700 They've been able to access this sort of thing.

01:01:38.700 And here's a picture to sort of prove it.

01:01:42.560 They'd already had Internet.

01:01:44.220 Yes.

01:01:44.640 So well done to Jason Kobler.

01:01:47.820 I think his name is.

01:01:49.060 You are one of the few people on the Internet that actually presented this correctly.

01:01:52.600 And, yes, I think it's time to name and shame some of the outlets that fell victim to this sensationalism.

01:01:59.300 Because there's nothing I like more than shaming mainstream journalists, you know, rubbing their nose in their mistakes.

01:02:05.040 So starting with The Telegraph.

01:02:08.240 Remote Tribe gets hooked on Internet porn.

01:02:10.860 And I can't see the author of this one to name and shame them.

01:02:16.620 Yep.

01:02:17.380 You don't even get to see it.

01:02:18.980 But there we go.

01:02:19.720 And then you have this outlet called, I think it's called Futurism or The Byte.

01:02:24.820 I don't know which one it is.

01:02:27.020 But I wasn't really familiar with them.

01:02:29.100 They say they've got Internet and got hooked on porn and social media, same as the New York Post.

01:02:35.880 And then because I didn't know this place, I looked up who they were.

01:02:40.740 And on their About Us, it says,

01:02:42.340 We're a small, award-winning, independent team of reporters and writers who pride ourselves on a commitment to accuracy and ethics in journalism.

01:02:49.820 Everyone says this.

01:02:51.800 The bitter irony.

01:02:53.360 And then you have outlets like NME.

01:02:55.560 Elon Musk gave an Amazon Tribe the Internet and now they're addicted to porn just directly trying to smear Elon Musk here.

01:03:01.040 Yeah.

01:03:01.280 Then, of course, The Mirror saying much the same thing.

01:03:05.580 Unfortunate addictions.

01:03:07.540 Again, not true.

01:03:09.640 The Irish Star.

01:03:12.060 Addictions after being given Internet access by Elon Musk.

01:03:15.040 Any opportunity to attack Elon, I think it is.

01:03:17.360 Yeah.

01:03:18.100 Fox News as well.

01:03:19.820 Amazon Tribe Starlink Internet access made kids lazy, hooked on social media.

01:03:23.900 They didn't say pornography, though.

01:03:25.340 So, missed out on something.

01:03:28.500 I think they're probably just trying to bash up young people.

01:03:30.220 It didn't work 9 to 5.

01:03:31.700 Yeah, they're lazy now.

01:03:34.120 Yeah.

01:03:34.800 And left-wing outlet, joe.co.uk.

01:03:38.760 Here we go.

01:03:39.720 Falling afoul of misinformation.

01:03:42.020 It's good to see them failing because they are insufferable.

01:03:44.800 Oh, yes.

01:03:45.740 Absolutely.

01:03:46.680 And one of the most sensationalist of all, unsurprising, was TMZ.

01:03:51.680 Said, Tribe Starlink hookup results in porn addiction with three exclamation points.

01:03:57.020 Not true.

01:03:58.140 And this one was the funniest of all, I think, from Money Wise.

01:04:02.380 An isolated Amazon tribe got connected to the Internet through Elon Musk's Starlink.

01:04:06.540 And now they're glued to explicit adult sites and social media.

01:04:09.920 Here's how to buy Starlink pre-IPO.

01:04:12.480 And if you don't know, a pre-IPO investment means buying shares in a private company before

01:04:17.280 its initial public offering.

01:04:18.520 So that means, like, Elon Musk has got these tribals addicted to porn.

01:04:24.280 Here's how you can profit off of it.

01:04:27.300 Which is just delightfully evil.

01:04:29.620 I love to see that level of prevalence in the world.

01:04:33.580 But yes, what started out as a cautionary tale about the dangers of the Internet has

01:04:39.100 turned into a cautionary tale about the dangers of the Internet.

01:04:43.100 Yeah.

01:04:43.340 It's just such lazy journalism, isn't it?

01:04:47.360 You know, it's such lazy journalism.

01:04:49.380 They've got a headline and then it's just been, you know, just filtered and filtered and

01:04:53.000 filtered and filtered on.

01:04:54.440 Yeah.

01:04:54.840 And that's the basis of my complaint.

01:04:57.360 Yeah.

01:04:58.120 Isn't it?

01:04:59.400 Yeah.

01:05:00.300 But yeah, there's obviously very important social consequences to this, aren't there?

01:05:04.200 That tribe's now been defamed.

01:05:05.940 They're known as the sort of basement dwelling, terminally online tribe.

01:05:14.080 But this is the problem is that there's no, they get away with it.

01:05:18.740 They get away with this all the time, you know, no matter what.

01:05:22.240 There's never any repercussions comes back on these media sites for print and stuff like

01:05:25.800 this, no matter what effect it has on people.

01:05:28.180 Except, of course, GB News, who's always in the off-guard.

01:05:31.540 Well, yeah, there's a wrong side, isn't there?

01:05:33.040 Wrong side.

01:05:33.680 The funny thing is that tribe actually has a lawyer and...

01:05:38.000 Lawyer of the tribe of gooners.

01:05:40.040 Exactly.

01:05:40.780 So remote Amazon tribe has a lawyer.

01:05:43.960 They do.

01:05:44.980 And they're part of the tribe as well.

01:05:47.580 And so it might actually turn out that they're going to get some legal recompense at the end,

01:05:51.900 which would be a silver lining, wouldn't it?

01:05:54.180 Could you imagine all the mainstream media getting sued by an Amazonian tribe?

01:05:58.220 Yes, and then winning.

01:05:59.420 Yeah.

01:06:00.520 Their huts are going to be paved in gold, you know.

01:06:02.480 It's going to be lovely.

01:06:03.760 I was going to say, what would they spend it on?

01:06:05.180 What would they buy?

01:06:06.800 They're going to be loaded by the end of it.

01:06:08.600 Yeah.

01:06:09.120 But anyway, let's go to some of the video comments, shall we?

01:06:11.740 That's when Torben willingly took the poison.

01:06:21.180 Oh, yeah.

01:06:22.720 When she can't, she ain't got no force juice.

01:06:25.520 Oh, yeah.

01:06:26.860 And creator Leslie Hedlund said that's exactly why she cast Carrie Ann Moss.

01:06:31.740 Oh, hi, baby.

01:06:32.560 Hi, baby, Dad.

01:06:33.400 Going from space knights or space monks to space social workers.

01:06:38.520 That was a very surrealist bit of political commentary.

01:06:47.200 But I get what was trying to be said here, that the new Star Wars series, it had, I don't

01:06:51.820 know if you've had the misfortune of watching it.

01:06:54.300 I saw clips of it and there's a part where they have a lesbian couple immaculately conceive

01:07:00.680 children by having this weird feminist witch coven chanting by the power of one, by the

01:07:06.260 power of many.

01:07:07.560 It's unbelievable.

01:07:09.500 See, like Star Wars for me, episode one, I turned it off.

01:07:12.880 You know, the original three, obviously, the whatever, the new hope empire and Jedi.

01:07:18.720 I watched them.

01:07:19.480 I started episode one I was excited for.

01:07:21.060 I watched it.

01:07:21.560 I thought, no, this isn't Star Wars.

01:07:23.040 I am watching it since.

01:07:24.340 I'd rather keep my memories of Star Wars.

01:07:26.280 I stopped at episode eight, the last Jedi.

01:07:29.020 I just, yeah, like the modern reboots were awful, weren't they?

01:07:34.100 They were insulting.

01:07:35.040 I was, I wanted to ask for a refund.

01:07:36.880 You can't do that.

01:07:37.780 Yeah.

01:07:38.100 But you don't understand why they're doing this.

01:07:40.880 Obviously, it's too, to go woke, but they know that it's not going to sell.

01:07:45.740 Yeah.

01:07:45.920 It's suicide.

01:07:46.880 You know, it's not going to sell.

01:07:48.220 It's going to be a bad light thing.

01:07:49.680 Yeah.

01:07:49.960 Yeah.

01:07:50.400 Guaranteed.

01:07:52.480 Hey, Lotus Eaters.

01:07:54.100 I first just want to thank you guys for everything that you do.

01:07:57.040 I've been working longer hours recently, and you guys helped make the day go by a little

01:08:02.720 faster.

01:08:04.120 I'm also trying to exercise more and bulk myself up, but one of the issues that I'm

01:08:10.720 having is that I don't really trust a lot of the food in the supermarkets, especially

01:08:14.520 in America.

01:08:15.480 So I was curious if you guys have any resources on what ingredients I should avoid or how I

01:08:20.980 can find this out.

01:08:22.000 Thank you.

01:08:22.420 Thank you for this.

01:08:26.040 I mean, I'm not an expert, but I'd say just trust home cooking.

01:08:30.960 Yeah.

01:08:32.060 There's nothing wrong with fresh, locally sourced ingredients usually.

01:08:37.480 I'm certainly no expert on nutrition and all that sort of thing, but I can tell you

01:08:41.500 what I avoid, and that is because of all the microplastics and lots of plastic bottles

01:08:47.380 and things like that, I try and avoid that, drink a lot of filtered water, try and buy

01:08:53.140 fresh fruit and veg and meat that's locally sourced, not mass produced, not, you know,

01:08:59.920 made long life by chemicals, things like that.

01:09:02.600 Keeping away from preservatives, you know, frozen foods, things like that.

01:09:06.040 You know, you can't go wrong with that sort of thing, just fresh food, locally sourced,

01:09:11.320 lots of different things.

01:09:13.580 That's all you really need to do.

01:09:15.100 The raw ingredients, not pre-blitzed.

01:09:19.860 Yeah.

01:09:20.740 Basically.

01:09:21.460 I think there is a place in Italy where they are eating raw ingredients and not much and

01:09:30.120 they're fasting and a lot of people from there live more than a century.

01:09:34.300 Yeah.

01:09:35.620 Also, vegetable oils, seed oils, they're not good for you.

01:09:39.460 Your body can't really metabolize them very well in a lot of fast food.

01:09:43.520 So avoid that sort of stuff.

01:09:45.160 That's what I do anyway.

01:09:46.620 And the fake.

01:09:47.060 This is not advice necessarily.

01:09:48.920 And the fake milks.

01:09:50.280 Oat milk.

01:09:51.540 Yeah.

01:09:51.840 You think about oat milk?

01:09:52.820 Yeah.

01:09:53.180 Estrogen.

01:09:53.580 So it's not actually healthy.

01:09:54.400 Yeah.

01:09:54.740 It's just the off-cut oats.

01:09:55.940 No, it's not even oat.

01:09:56.720 It's almond milk.

01:09:57.740 Yeah.

01:09:57.820 Things like that.

01:09:58.340 Yeah.

01:09:58.500 It's not healthy.

01:09:59.500 They're misshipped.

01:10:01.120 So it's, oh, we need something to do with this.

01:10:02.820 Milk.

01:10:03.100 Milk, market it as healthy milk alternative.

01:10:06.240 I don't even know how they get milk from an almond.

01:10:08.340 They don't have nipples, do they?

01:10:12.560 Very hard.

01:10:19.920 That's going to be clipped.

01:10:21.920 I'm sure it will.

01:10:22.880 Yeah.

01:10:23.080 I have a theory on how phases of liberalism have impacted British colonies.

01:10:27.740 Locke, with his emphasis of negative liberalism and Rousseau's positive liberalism, were ascendant while the US and Canada were developing into nations.

01:10:36.500 However, due to the French influence, Canada led way more towards positive liberalism.

01:10:41.240 Later, Benfim arrived with his emphasis on utility, which he was willing to borrow from both.

01:10:46.400 This is when Australia was developing.

01:10:49.200 I think it definitely explains a lot about the characteristics of each former colony.

01:10:53.080 I 100% agree.

01:10:55.540 And it's also worth mentioning the distinction between English and French liberalism, because they're very different things.

01:11:01.480 They're different animals.

01:11:02.260 And I think that when people talk about liberalism, they should differentiate the two.

01:11:05.940 Because, as Stelius, I'm sure, will tell us, they lead to entirely different outcomes.

01:11:13.460 Well, yes, I think you're correct.

01:11:16.300 Rousseau is definitely the main culprit here.

01:11:18.880 But we do have to say also that there are some really based French liberals, like Constant, Montesquieu, very based, and also Tocqueville.

01:11:30.800 Yeah, there's a variety.

01:11:32.120 I absolutely agree with you.

01:11:33.540 But the interesting thing that Mason is raising here is that if you really are a utilitarian, you really devolve into being just a pragmatist.

01:11:45.700 Because when they're talking about, you know, what's the greater good, they're just very flexible.

01:11:54.440 They can be incredibly flexible about it.

01:11:56.460 Well, I like the vision in Hot Fuzz, the greater good.

01:11:58.620 They had a lovely community there, didn't they?

01:12:00.160 Yeah.

01:12:03.540 What's up, Lotus Seaters?

01:12:06.460 Long time no see.

01:12:07.700 Hope you're doing all well.

01:12:09.200 I thought I'd update you guys and let you know by doing some videos around Sydney.

01:12:13.560 Show you the unique qualities that this interesting city has.

01:12:18.980 I'll also do be doing some lighthearted videos.

01:12:22.920 I'll try not to delve too much into politics.

01:12:26.500 But here and there, I might do some politics about Australia and how we're going.

01:12:30.840 But yeah, hope you enjoy my upcoming videos.

01:12:33.960 I look forward to it.

01:12:35.060 I actually really like video comments that aren't about politics.

01:12:38.160 And I know I am a political commentator and I talk about politics all the time.

01:12:41.780 I'm being paid to be here.

01:12:42.740 But that's why it's a palate cleanser, right?

01:12:45.820 You need it.

01:12:46.520 And then I feel like I can concentrate more on it.

01:12:49.000 Because when people show us the flowers in their garden or their pets or things like that,

01:12:54.000 or they've been out in nature, that's where my heart lies.

01:12:57.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:58.460 Yeah.

01:12:58.780 No, I agree.

01:12:59.280 You have to have some wholesome content.

01:13:02.980 Because, you know, you see, especially when it's our business to be online,

01:13:06.880 we see all sorts of weird stuff.

01:13:08.580 Oh, yeah.

01:13:09.420 Yeah.

01:13:09.920 Hang on a minute.

01:13:11.420 It's just working videos, Josh.

01:13:13.340 You know.

01:13:14.300 We're not the most prudish members here.

01:13:16.620 That's true.

01:13:17.240 You know I like, you know, offending the prudes.

01:13:20.860 The ban is making more sense.

01:13:22.500 There's actually a great, on Twitter, on Getter, you've actually got a relaxation tab at the top.

01:13:34.920 So you can do all your politics on one.

01:13:36.700 And then towards the end of the night, you click the other.

01:13:39.440 And it's cats fighting with other cats or cats fighting with dogs or little ducklings being taken away by the mother.

01:13:46.380 And it's great.

01:13:47.140 It just winds you down.

01:13:49.300 And then you can go off there.

01:13:50.480 And then you start on your politics.

01:13:51.680 Yeah.

01:13:52.520 It's like a de-stress.

01:13:54.000 It's like you're up there.

01:13:55.420 Bring it down.

01:13:56.420 Right.

01:13:56.600 Let's go again.

01:13:59.720 If you could tell us some basic notes on what deviates from the common narrative.

01:14:05.440 I've not.

01:14:05.800 Okay, Josh, you really should watch the videos I recommended.

01:14:08.860 But here is the pre-see.

01:14:10.260 In the immediate aftermath of the disaster, the Soviet ministries came together to pin the blame and set the story.

01:14:15.180 They had to, to save face internationally and quash further investigation.

01:14:19.080 To that end, they lied about what happened and interpreted operating procedures unfairly.

01:14:24.280 The operators were not careless or arguing, and they did not vary dangerously from the test parameters.

01:14:30.120 Valeriy Legasov was not the hero.

01:14:32.060 He was a liar.

01:14:32.760 Okay, well, that's Chernobyl guy.

01:14:37.580 I'm going to subscribe right now, because I felt that comment of, you really should watch that.

01:14:43.500 Yeah, I felt that.

01:14:46.600 But no, I always appreciate your comments.

01:14:49.080 Cheers.

01:14:49.260 This is just an amazing story, what happens.

01:14:52.680 Just weird.

01:14:54.160 Yeah.

01:14:54.700 That disaster was just weird.

01:14:58.060 Yeah.

01:14:58.740 I watched a documentary last night, actually, about all of the wildlife returning to Chernobyl, and it was great.

01:15:05.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:06.200 It's like a sanctuary now, isn't it?

01:15:07.460 Yeah.

01:15:07.660 I saw a clip where a bear slid down a tin roof like a slide.

01:15:12.260 I couldn't believe the bear went and stole some plutonium or something.

01:15:17.640 Well, I mean, I like the take on it with Top Gear as they're driving through at speed to get past.

01:15:26.740 But there's people never moved, hasn't there, as well, within the zone.

01:15:30.520 There are people that still live in the exclusion zone.

01:15:32.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:33.420 So, we've got some comments as well.

01:15:35.940 The Shadow Band for $50.

01:15:37.880 Thank you very much, by the way.

01:15:39.840 Tell the truth, Stelios.

01:15:40.920 You got banned from Twitter for posting a selfie with Freddie, didn't you?

01:15:44.960 Explain to the people at home who Freddie is, by the way.

01:15:47.320 First of all, I want to thank you, Shadow Band.

01:15:49.280 But if I had done so, I think it would have been viral.

01:15:54.040 I think.

01:15:55.300 So, basically, what happened?

01:15:57.100 Freddie is basically a human.

01:15:59.960 I didn't name it.

01:16:01.120 There's just some excrement on a street nearby.

01:16:05.380 Right.

01:16:05.780 And a member of the staff here just named it Freddie at some point.

01:16:11.000 Right.

01:16:11.380 And we were talking about Swindon.

01:16:13.520 And I made a comedic segment about Swindon.

01:16:16.640 Swindon, I was touring people at Swindon, and I was basically showing the good parts.

01:16:22.140 Yeah.

01:16:22.300 And I said that I'm going to give you the Pyongyang tour.

01:16:25.280 And I just took them to a really good street and showed them with a GPS and stuff and Google

01:16:31.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:32.420 Alligator.

01:16:33.200 And I said, okay, let's just zoom out.

01:16:35.900 Yeah.

01:16:37.220 I was going to say the good parts.

01:16:38.320 It's a choice because, you know, I really think that a lot of the stuff that our politicians

01:16:42.860 are presenting to us as being inevitable consequences, they're a choice.

01:16:47.540 Yes.

01:16:47.900 Yeah.

01:16:48.160 It is a choice to have radically non-clean streets.

01:16:54.040 Yeah.

01:16:54.620 Yeah.

01:16:54.940 Yeah.

01:16:55.180 But the justification for this was there was so much excrement on the streets of Swindon

01:16:59.400 in the boat people days, that you could go around naming them all because it was so frequent.

01:17:04.300 It was just our sort of tongue-in-cheek way of poking fun at it.

01:17:07.940 Yeah.

01:17:08.220 Some googly eyes on each one.

01:17:10.220 So, call it art.

01:17:13.060 Someone online says it's an election year and Supreme Court just said they don't have precedent

01:17:17.820 to stop the government from ordering tech platforms to do stuff.

01:17:21.220 That is a very good point.

01:17:22.680 And yes, it's only going to get worse in that sense, isn't it?

01:17:25.940 Until the elections are over with and Trump arrests everyone.

01:17:29.200 Well, John Cloud says, how long will the all-night stream go on for?

01:17:34.900 I'm not entirely sure, but I know it's going to be a very long stream.

01:17:39.620 It's going to be the longest Lotus-eated stream we've ever done.

01:17:42.300 It's going to be 3 o'clock, 3 a.m.

01:17:44.140 It could go on until 6.

01:17:45.300 It could go on later if it's been done, but 6 is the probably hard time.

01:17:48.980 I think, as Samson said, if you didn't hear, 6 in the morning is the hard cut-off,

01:17:54.280 but maybe 3 o'clock, maybe a bit later.

01:17:57.120 And I think we're starting about 7-ish, is that right?

01:18:00.660 I'm going to sue if it's not all night, because you've labelled it as all night.

01:18:04.320 Yeah, you've booked this in for 3 o'clock.

01:18:04.880 It is all night, yeah.

01:18:05.900 It's going to end at 3 o'clock.

01:18:07.240 I highly doubt it's going to stop at 3 o'clock, to be honest.

01:18:11.620 But there you go.

01:18:13.620 We just welcome voice of wheels.

01:18:15.180 Yeah.

01:18:18.620 Stelios, some of your comments.

01:18:20.120 Lord Nereva.

01:18:21.100 I don't know, but I'm inclined to believe the last couple of Twitter bans may have been

01:18:24.900 either genuine mistakes or some rogue employee swinging the hammer around.

01:18:29.360 Everyone who was banned is now back, and I believe I'm right in saying everyone was restored

01:18:33.520 within 48 hours.

01:18:35.240 Worrying, yes, but a wait and see for me.

01:18:37.440 Well, it should be a wait and see, and everyone is awaiting to actually listen to what happened.

01:18:41.540 Caroline List, the Lotus ladies were ready to write at dawn at the news.

01:18:48.120 Stelios was in Twitter prison.

01:18:50.560 Oh, look at that.

01:18:51.480 This is so wholesome.

01:18:52.720 Now, this is an interesting comment by Theodore Pinnock.

01:18:57.340 It says, Visegrad's ban was completely justified.

01:19:00.680 You can't post graphic images of a child being abused just because you are saying it's bad.

01:19:06.840 That's still graphic images of a child being abused.

01:19:10.280 No, that is true.

01:19:11.080 I mean, I would also be very frustrated because I follow them, and thankfully I didn't see it.

01:19:15.760 But if you're scrolling through your timeline and you see that, I've seen it before where

01:19:22.500 there's like public nudity pictures and things like that.

01:19:25.160 And so I didn't really want to see that.

01:19:27.260 I at least wanted to know what I was getting in for.

01:19:29.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:19:30.060 But I really think that, I mean, at least they could have the warning that, you know, you should take it down and somehow it's because they're doing a great job and all so many stuff.

01:19:45.080 But yeah, that was unacceptable.

01:19:46.740 And Emos, kudos to the Lotus Eater's media person who initiated Free Stelius.

01:19:52.420 Is this fine person, Daisy?

01:19:54.240 Yes.

01:19:55.220 Thank you, Daisy.

01:19:56.460 Elon is going to allow live streaming of the U.S. presidential debates and told CNN to pound sand since he only cares for dramatic, non-woke, big picture gestures, not shadow bans.

01:20:08.880 Stelius, Roman Observer, Stelius, please say, I'll be back.

01:20:16.980 I'm back.

01:20:19.280 Kevin Fox, that's the whole point.

01:20:21.340 That's for you, but I will say it.

01:20:24.100 That's the whole point, Stan.

01:20:25.380 They don't tell you what you did wrong in the hope you'll be too scared to stay on the platforms so the left can have the platforms to themselves.

01:20:33.120 There definitely is a fifth column still within X somewhere.

01:20:38.880 Garlic Goblin, awesome.

01:20:41.000 Great to see the Voice of Wales boys back on.

01:20:44.360 Thank you.

01:20:44.660 Thank you.

01:20:46.380 Lady Dragonhawk, let's face it, Stelius, you were suspended for being more coherent and eloquent in English, which isn't your native tongue than the moronic leftists.

01:20:56.060 Stop making them look bad.

01:20:58.860 Thank you, Lady Dragonhawk.

01:21:00.140 Makes sense.

01:21:01.000 I mean, Ewan Baker, one of my accounts that is actually me is banned.

01:21:06.180 What does that mean?

01:21:07.060 I never tweeted or retweeted or liked anything.

01:21:10.540 That's weird.

01:21:12.220 Yeah, don't know what this means.

01:21:15.380 Okay, John V, I'm glad Stelius got his account back so quickly.

01:21:20.480 Thank you, John V.

01:21:21.560 Derek Powell, circumvent the curfew, declare yourself trans, mon problem, require modern solutions.

01:21:27.720 George Hap, Stelius is a spicy boy.

01:21:34.140 Shall I read this?

01:21:35.180 He probably got drunk and told the truth about the Ottoman Empire.

01:21:39.780 You weren't tweeting about Constantinople again, were you?

01:21:42.600 No.

01:21:43.260 This definitely isn't the WEF puppet CEO purging accounts ahead of the Trump-Biden debate.

01:21:48.480 And we have a donation from Sad Wings Raging.

01:21:53.240 Thank you.

01:21:54.120 AOC, remember lads, don't stick it in the cray-cray.

01:21:57.900 It's all in the eyes, isn't it?

01:21:58.920 One last thing I have to address because I made a mistake.

01:22:02.240 Theodore Pinnock says, Carolyn Farrow is not a gender-critical feminist.

01:22:05.640 She's a devout Catholic.

01:22:07.200 If that's true, I apologize.

01:22:08.980 But I still think that the reason is that she's also anti-woke.

01:22:14.500 So just saying this.

01:22:16.200 Shall we go to the comments for the next one?

01:22:19.240 I don't think you can really read them over there.

01:22:21.200 Do you want me to read them for you?

01:22:22.260 Yeah, if you could.

01:22:22.720 Okay.

01:22:24.380 Oh, it's not.

01:22:25.400 That one's not on.

01:22:26.000 That's great.

01:22:27.060 So these lefties can do Hitler salutes, but a pug cannot.

01:22:31.960 Yeah.

01:22:32.280 That's true.

01:22:33.080 Yeah.

01:22:33.240 If you have a pug, it's not allowed to support Germans, you know, mid-century Germans.

01:22:41.040 But if you are Welsh and a human being, you can.

01:22:43.360 Yeah.

01:22:43.820 Crazy, isn't it?

01:22:44.580 So you could be a dog.

01:22:45.560 Here we go.

01:22:46.300 There we go.

01:22:47.240 That's the dog of the infamous count.

01:22:49.460 Yes.

01:22:50.100 Yeah.

01:22:50.680 Cheers, Samson.

01:22:52.340 Wales has always been a more authoritarian country than England, but it often goes unnoticed

01:22:56.660 by the country at large.

01:22:57.740 I lived in both England and Wales during the lockdowns, and Wales was far more restricted

01:23:02.620 than England was, both in policy and enforcement of the streets.

01:23:07.160 Welsh Labour are a National Socialist Party, ultimately.

01:23:10.180 And that they are.

01:23:11.260 You know, but then you've got it worse than that as well, because you've got Plaid Cymru,

01:23:13.360 who are actual National Socialists.

01:23:16.140 They're Welsh Nationalists, which is strange in itself, because if you're a Welsh Nationalist,

01:23:20.160 you're left-wing.

01:23:20.920 If you're a Scottish Nationalist, you're left-wing.

01:23:23.400 If you're an English Nationalist, well, you're far right.

01:23:25.660 So it's strange.

01:23:26.540 But, you know, Plaid Cymru are exactly that.

01:23:29.400 Independent, rejoined EU, take us back.

01:23:31.660 So that's absolutely spot on.

01:23:33.640 Confused, Dan?

01:23:34.700 Yep.

01:23:35.320 Lance Llewellyn, it is, is it any surprise that Labour, with its history of anti-Semitism,

01:23:41.160 won't apologise for the Nazi salute?

01:23:43.700 Here in Australia, they banned it, but not banned Muslims screaming, gas the Jews, in front

01:23:50.320 of the Opera House.

01:23:51.500 No matter what it says, the scorpion shows its true colours always.

01:23:57.960 And that's perfectly correct.

01:23:59.660 From the first Keir Hardee, to the last Keir Starmer.

01:24:07.020 Who was named after Keir Hardee, didn't he?

01:24:08.540 Yep.

01:24:09.260 Anti-Semitism is rife in the Labour Party, and always has been.

01:24:13.800 Yeah.

01:24:14.280 I do not approve of this next name.

01:24:16.460 A naked Josh Lathered, head-to-toe, and Big Mac sauce.

01:24:22.240 That's creative, to be fair.

01:24:23.800 Is it one subscriber who constantly changes the name?

01:24:26.840 I think it might be, yeah.

01:24:28.120 They said something about me and olive oil at some point.

01:24:30.680 That's true, yeah.

01:24:32.840 Yeah.

01:24:33.160 So, what was the question?

01:24:36.080 That was a rare bit of based news from Wales.

01:24:39.480 Stand for first minister.

01:24:40.940 Thank you very much.

01:24:41.680 I endorse that message.

01:24:45.580 Sophie Liv, but you know, socialism isn't communism some lefty on Twitter?

01:24:52.700 As in, that's what they say on Twitter all the time.

01:24:54.420 Okay, yeah.

01:24:55.260 Well, we had a good friend of ours, Sean, on our show we interviewed not so long ago,

01:24:59.860 and he explained Marxist, you know, he said,

01:25:01.700 oh, some people just think, you know, Marxists are socialists with guns.

01:25:04.440 And I said, perfect.

01:25:08.600 So, Base Tape says,

01:25:10.500 Amazonian tribe decimated after half of them discover Reddit feminism,

01:25:13.720 and the other half take the red pill and now refuse to breathe.

01:25:16.800 Yeah.

01:25:17.060 I was going to say in the segment, have they now got their own tribes?

01:25:21.040 Are some of them like, no, I'm pro-Biden, and the others, no, Trump.

01:25:23.140 You know, because it's maybe just a funny image in my head that they've got.

01:25:28.260 Built a wall.

01:25:29.580 Yes.

01:25:30.020 X, Y, and Z.

01:25:31.840 Damn you for making me pronounce it like an American, by the way.

01:25:34.540 I know some people who've worked in Aboriginal communities,

01:25:38.120 addiction to alcohol and other chemicals, i.e. petrol sniffing,

01:25:40.740 are absolutely devastating.

01:25:42.560 It's a complicated issue.

01:25:43.980 Do we take a paternalistic stance and limit access to alcohol,

01:25:46.640 which could protect their cultures from disappearing,

01:25:48.700 or do we just have them integrate into greater Australian society,

01:25:52.380 where they could find a life that gives them more than drinking to do,

01:25:55.820 which ultimately leads to their demise as a culture?

01:25:58.720 I think you've kind of got to give them the option to live as an isolated group,

01:26:05.740 you know, on their own terms.

01:26:07.600 And if they want to join, you let them join as and when they leave, right?

01:26:12.240 So the option's there to come and go as they please.

01:26:14.460 I think that's the best way of doing it.

01:26:15.780 Yeah, definitely.

01:26:16.260 You can't say, right, what we're going to do now is integrate you here,

01:26:18.860 or what we're going to do now is ban you from drinking alcohol.

01:26:21.320 Ultimately, it's up to them to do what they want to do.

01:26:23.460 You know, but the choice is available and crack on.

01:26:26.220 You do what you want.

01:26:27.060 Yeah, that's what I would say.

01:26:28.660 So Lord Nerevar, this is one of the reasons I don't like the idea

01:26:31.820 of Lord Miles going to North Sentinel Island very much.

01:26:34.060 I don't think he's going to give them the internet or anything,

01:26:37.540 but some things should be left alone.

01:26:39.020 I don't think he's actually going.

01:26:40.320 I think the actual argument of they don't have the immunity

01:26:45.000 to come into contact with a Westerner,

01:26:46.720 particularly someone as well-travelled as Miles,

01:26:49.060 that would decimate them if they even go within proximity of him.

01:26:53.900 So I know he's mental, but I don't think he actually wants to kill people.

01:26:58.280 So I think he did that video as a joke.

01:27:02.560 So the Josh name, Big Mac sauce.

01:27:06.360 So we know that they have access to porn, but there's the key question.

01:27:09.300 Do they have microplastics in their balls?

01:27:12.080 That's another one of my segments, actually.

01:27:15.160 I don't doubt it.

01:27:18.160 They probably do.

01:27:19.960 Rue the Day says,

01:27:21.100 knowing of and having spoken with a few different Amazonian indigenous,

01:27:24.360 wow, it takes them a lot of effort to preserve their culture,

01:27:27.760 not to have children be on media and keep to their safe dietary habits.

01:27:32.740 They have their own PR reps who are most often chief's family.

01:27:36.000 They have their musicians who travel and engage in social media

01:27:38.880 for promotion of their culture and soliciting monetary support

01:27:41.960 in cases of floods.

01:27:43.100 But everyone else just lives normal.

01:27:45.240 Well, at least the majority of people are living normally,

01:27:48.000 but I think it's very much up to them how they want to live.

01:27:51.480 I think actually most people do want to preserve their culture

01:27:54.600 and way of life.

01:27:55.560 It seems to be a sort of universal.

01:27:57.740 It's only in the Western world that,

01:27:59.380 you know,

01:28:00.520 it gets undermined.

01:28:03.700 But I think that given the choice,

01:28:07.260 they will always preserve elements of their culture,

01:28:09.320 but it's up to them to pick and choose.

01:28:11.340 I think things come in and out of cultural practice,

01:28:13.860 even if they weren't exposed to the outside world.

01:28:17.160 But of course,

01:28:18.200 we still have somewhat of an obligation in a moral sense

01:28:21.300 not to destroy their culture as,

01:28:26.120 you know,

01:28:26.840 the modern world.

01:28:27.800 I love this one.

01:28:28.720 Okay.

01:28:30.960 Well,

01:28:31.220 the next one,

01:28:32.060 Omar Awad.

01:28:33.220 A tribal boy getting addicted to porn only makes headline news

01:28:35.980 as negative if the porn is straight.

01:28:38.020 Otherwise,

01:28:38.480 the Rainbow Rite are quite happy with any level of degeneracy.

01:28:41.400 Oh,

01:28:41.620 yeah.

01:28:42.280 Probably an LGBT tribe.

01:28:44.040 Yeah.

01:28:44.880 I'm going to borrow that, Omar.

01:28:45.400 Elon Musk could be a hero then.

01:28:46.720 I'm going to borrow the Rainbow Rite.

01:28:48.440 I think that's quite correct.

01:28:51.460 He's always got a good term of phrase,

01:28:53.060 Omar does.

01:28:54.240 An naked Josh Lavitt head to toe in Big Mac sauce.

01:28:56.540 I said it again,

01:28:57.340 you know,

01:28:57.960 it's your lucky day.

01:28:59.420 Breaking news,

01:29:00.280 Elon Musk targets Jeff Bezos by getting his Amazon employees

01:29:03.400 addicted to porn.

01:29:07.160 Well,

01:29:07.700 I think we might have a few more comments on the site,

01:29:10.980 but that's all of the ones we've actually got there.

01:29:12.920 For once,

01:29:13.620 we've finished somewhat on time.

01:29:15.120 My goodness,

01:29:15.820 what a treat.

01:29:18.120 Normally,

01:29:18.680 we run on long and don't get to read many comments,

01:29:20.780 but there will be some chat better be on for the election live stream.

01:29:27.420 What do you know about that,

01:29:28.500 Samson?

01:29:29.400 You're the man in the know.

01:29:30.840 Is live stream chat on?

01:29:33.200 It should be.

01:29:37.120 And we'll be reading live comments.

01:29:39.320 So there you go.

01:29:39.860 And there will be,

01:29:42.920 there will be gold tier video comments,

01:29:45.080 um,

01:29:45.540 as well.

01:29:49.360 Oh,

01:29:49.920 of course.

01:29:51.840 Good shilling there,

01:29:52.720 Samson.

01:29:53.280 So yeah,

01:29:53.620 subscribe with the code zero seats,

01:29:56.740 all capitals,

01:29:57.360 no space to get,

01:29:58.920 um,

01:29:59.840 how much was it off?

01:30:01.020 50,

01:30:01.640 50.

01:30:03.320 Blimey for three months.

01:30:04.780 That's a bargain.

01:30:05.620 All right.

01:30:06.100 Well,

01:30:06.700 make,

01:30:06.920 make the most of it while it lasts before Carl realizes how much is off.

01:30:10.960 Um,

01:30:11.420 Angus Somerville says the Amazonian tribe has a lawyer shades of the old unfrozen caveman lawyer skit.

01:30:17.480 Your world frightens and confuses me.

01:30:19.400 Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic makes me want to get out of my BMW and run off into the hills.

01:30:25.120 I don't get the reference,

01:30:26.680 but it amused me all the same.

01:30:28.360 Yeah.

01:30:28.900 And,

01:30:29.380 uh,

01:30:29.540 I think we're actually,

01:30:30.520 um,

01:30:31.400 out of time now,

01:30:32.820 but thank you very much for watching.

01:30:34.640 Don't forget to watch Calvin's show in half an hour's time.

01:30:38.080 And,

01:30:38.560 uh,

01:30:39.000 thank you to the voice of whales for joining us today.

01:30:40.940 Thanks for having us again.

01:30:41.400 Thank you for,

01:30:42.020 uh,

01:30:42.380 allowing us to give you tales of woe from the whales.

01:30:46.640 That's okay.

01:30:47.620 Well,

01:30:48.080 thank you very much for watching.

01:30:49.280 And goodbye.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 27, 2024

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #946

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