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00:00:40.340Hey guys, it's AZ Fudd. You may know me as a gold medalist. You may know me as an NCAA national champion.
00:00:47.180You may even know me as a people's princess.
00:00:49.680Every week on my new podcast, Fudd Around and Find Out, I'll be talking to some special guests about pop culture, basketball,
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00:02:11.660What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth?
00:02:21.840Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced.
00:02:25.920He said, you are a number, a New York State number, and we own you.
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00:03:18.280So we'll just, we'll jump right in because I, you know, I can't even imagine.
00:03:23.540You spent time in the Texas legislature.
00:03:26.260I was watching last night, a brief interview, one of the members of the legislature, Nicole Collier, was in the chambers.
00:03:33.800She's not walking out because she doesn't want to be assigned a member of law enforcement to watch every move.
00:03:41.760And I just, I couldn't even imagine what that experience is like, but I couldn't imagine a better person to talk about it than you.
00:03:49.740So watching all of this from afar, the impacts indirect to democracy, the direct impacts to you as a representative, watching your own district lines changing.
00:04:04.260Give us a sense of what you're feeling right now, what this moment means to you.
00:04:17.680This is about our collective democracy.
00:04:20.200It's one of the reasons that I think the country has galvanized behind what California has decided to do, because this isn't just about Texas.
00:04:27.960It's not just about the representatives in Texas.
00:04:32.220And so when you look at the lengths that they will go to decimate our democracy, that is when people should really have their hair on fire.
00:04:40.740And I don't care what kind of state you live in.
00:04:43.060And I personally don't care what your political affiliation is, because we are setting a dangerous precedence, one that could forever dismantle our democracy.
00:04:52.780So here we are as a Black woman civil rights attorney, and I'm looking at a state that is taking state actions against a duly elected Black woman to basically incarcerate her against her constitutional rights.
00:05:08.300And everybody is just kind of like, you know, Texas gets to do whatever they want to do, because we have a minion for a governor instead of a governor for the people of Texas.
00:05:20.140And so now, because he wants to do everything that he can to kiss the raggedy feet of Donald Trump, this is where we stand, to the extent that he is disrespecting Texans over and over and over, whether we're talking about the map or whether we're talking about the threats that were waged against these members and their family members,
00:05:40.580or whether we're talking about a woman, or whether we're talking about a woman, a Black woman that decided that she wanted to be free in the year of 2025.
00:05:48.620And basically, she had someone who decided that he wanted to act like she is on a plantation, and so therefore, she had to sign documents if it was that she was to have some semblance of freedom.
00:06:00.480And look, I appreciate how you just laid that out, and with vivid and clear lines.
00:06:08.460I mean, a Black woman being told she has to have someone from a white governor.
00:06:15.640I mean, you can't, the racial components of this cannot be overstated.
00:06:19.720And as you say, people are kind of rolling their, I mean, shrugging their shoulders, rolling their eyes.
00:06:26.100I mean, the fact that not everything is stopped in real time to sort of measure this moment, the fact that so much is being normalized in this country as we're watching democracy slip through our hands.
00:06:38.480I mean, what do we need to do to create the proverbial pattern interrupt?
00:06:42.900What do we need to do to wake people up to understand what's really at stake, what the hell is really going on, not just in Texas, increasingly across this country?
00:06:51.160I think we all have to collectively fight back, and I think that we have to take it back to elementary school, where everything legitimately was Black or white.
00:07:00.740We, right now, are having a moral, catastrophic, you know, combustion, right?
00:07:09.940Like, it is insane to see the lack of morality.
00:07:13.720Like, this really isn't about whether or not you believe in, you know, the Democratic platform or the Republican platform.
00:07:23.340This is truly about whether or not we believe that as Americans, that freedom should be real, that we should treat everyone as equals,
00:07:34.060that we should not diminish our democracy because that is why we stand out and why we have been a beacon of hope around this entire world, not just in this country, for people that are here.
00:07:46.260The reason that we've had so many immigrants that have always decided that they wanted to come to the United States is because historically we have been the land of the free and the land of opportunity.
00:07:56.140We are slowly just losing our standing on the national stage, whether we're looking at a president that is rolling out a red carpet for a war criminal or whether or not we are looking at a governor that has decided that a woman would be stuck and could not leave because she had the audacity to think that her colleagues would engage in real debate and they would come back and they would fight for fair maps.
00:08:23.440Not fair maps for her, but fair maps for the 30 million Texans whose voices deserve to be heard considering the fact that we are a majority minority state.
00:08:34.440We're 60% of the people that are there are people of color, yet every single day they are so happy to take in people of color day after day to the extent that we ended up gaining two new seats in the last time that we did the census.
00:08:48.760We took those seats from other states that were growing and those seats were taken because there were black and brown bodies that came into the state of Texas, yet they then minimized their voices.
00:09:01.600So yes, they want their bodies, but they absolutely do not want to hear from them.
00:09:20.000But can we afford to take the high road as they continue to take away more and more rights and we start to look more like a government that is run by Vladimir Putin than a government that is run by a respected and honorable president of the United States?
00:09:48.060And I appreciate the level of thoughtfulness that went into this, because I think at the core of who we are as Democrats, regardless of what others may say about us, we really want to do what's right.
00:10:00.260The question is usually whether or not we have the courage to push forward, even in the face of adversity, to get it done.
00:10:14.480If you're going to take away five voices in a state in which I have been engaged in litigation since 2021 over the current lines, because we have argued that these lines were terrible and illegal.
00:10:29.140And the state consistently argued for the last four years that they were racially neutral, that they were perfect and beautiful lines.
00:10:36.620And then all of a sudden they get a letter from the attorney general of the United States.
00:10:41.200Imagine that the attorney general of the United States decides that instead of, say, building up the civil rights division that she decided to tear down, the attorney general of the United States that is under pressure to release the Epstein files that are within her control.
00:10:58.740She decides to prioritize going after Texas and telling Texas that they actually have not been race neutral, and they decide to act based upon her instruction.
00:11:10.380And we know that her instruction came directly from him.
00:11:15.540And so now we're looking at a situation in which no matter what happens, I can tell you that these maps are illegal.
00:11:22.600The question is, will we have these branches of government continue to fail us?
00:11:28.280Will we have a court that will strike this down in time and say, never mind, we're going to have to draw the maps?
00:11:36.980Because historically, when we've had all three branches working, that's what happens when one of the states does wrong.
00:11:43.880And there's no way to say that the state of Texas is doing right.
00:11:48.920You bring up 2021 and your efforts in relation to the maps.
00:11:53.200But you also, for those that may not be familiar, you really made a name for yourself nationally the last time when you were in the legislature.
00:12:00.420I think it was 2021 when you guys did a similar quorum break.
00:12:04.860And that was on different issues, but related to voting access and the like.
00:12:37.860When we went to D.C., we asked a democratically controlled House, a democratically controlled Senate that had a Democrat in the White House to pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act.
00:12:47.960That particular bill would have replaced the current Voting Rights Act.
00:12:52.260It would have shored up everything that we lost in Shelby B. Holder.
00:12:55.540And we wouldn't be sitting on the edge of our seats wondering whether or not we would lose Section 2.
00:13:00.340So for anybody that's listening, Section 2 just says, basically, we want to go ahead and further codify what is in the Constitution as it relates to people of color being able to have representation.
00:13:14.860What we know came out of Louisiana and Alabama for this last election was two Section 2 seats because they looked at a state like Louisiana and said,
00:13:25.660hey, 30 percent of the population is African-American and y'all only gave them an opportunity to elect one lawmaker to the federal level.
00:13:35.060So they had to add one. Same thing happened in Alabama.
00:13:37.880So they had to add one. So both states now have two seats where African-Americans are allowed to choose their representation.
00:13:44.900Well, what they are doing right now, they got rid of all of the issues around preclearance,
00:13:49.060which means that when states go through all of this craziness and they've had, say, a history of being racially discriminatory, such as Texas,
00:13:57.320Texas has been found to be racially intentionally discriminatory ever since the Voting Rights Act was passed,
00:14:04.640which is so wild for me to think of considering the fact that it was a Texan that signed the Voting Rights Act into law 60 years ago.
00:14:11.840So to see that we basically were like, hey, we're ringing the alarms past the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act
00:14:19.420and we wouldn't have to deal with this fight over redistricting past the Freedom to Vote Act
00:14:23.900and we wouldn't have had to deal with Elon Musk being able to actually buy an election.
00:14:28.720We were trying to throw up our democracy and scream to the top of our lungs at that point.
00:14:34.300And unfortunately, at that time, the House did their part.
00:14:38.020A democratically led House does their part.
00:14:41.680Unfortunately, it was in the Senate where we did not have the support to go ahead and move past the filibuster for the purpose of voting rights.
00:14:50.020And I think that if we don't have voting rights, we get no other rights whatsoever.
00:14:54.960And so I think if there's ever a need for a carve out, it is on behalf of making sure that we can expand access to the ballot box for those that are eligible to vote.
00:16:17.080You may know me as an NCAA national champion and recent most outstanding player.
00:16:21.660You may even know me as a people's princess.
00:16:24.000But now, you're also going to know me as your favorite host.
00:16:27.360Every week on my new podcast, FUD Around and Find Out, I'll give you an inside look at everything happening in my crazy life as I try to balance it all.
00:16:35.000From my travels across the globe, to preparing for another run at the Natty with my Yukon Huskies, to just trying to make it to my midterms on time.
00:16:42.000You'll get the inside scoop on everything.
00:16:44.020I'll be talking to some special guests about pop culture, basketball, and what it's like to be a professional athlete on and off the court.
00:16:50.880You'll even get to have some fun with the FUD family.
00:16:53.400So if you follow me on social media or watch me on TV, you may think you know me.
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