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00:00:55.280 Today's guest is a stand-up comedian.

00:00:57.380 He's a podcaster.

00:00:58.460 He has a new special called Life on Netflix.

00:01:03.380 It is miraculously done.

00:01:06.380 I'm very thankful to have him return to the podcast.

00:01:10.880 Today's guest is Mr. Andrew Schultz.

00:01:13.460 Good to see you, man.

00:01:32.500 Good to see you, too.

00:01:33.600 Congratulations on the child.

00:01:35.100 Thank you, bro.

00:01:35.780 Appreciate that.

00:01:36.480 Congratulations on all your success.

00:01:38.100 Thanks, man.

00:01:39.440 Yeah, I appreciate it, dude.

00:01:40.420 I saw I'm like 17 minutes into your special right now.

00:01:43.520 Oh, cool, cool, cool, cool.

00:01:44.760 So, dude, the control you have on stage is that that's something I really admire.

00:01:50.740 Like this, like it's almost like a sharpshooter up there.

00:01:55.380 I don't know, but the way you have this control on stage is something, it's great.

00:02:01.960 Thank you, man.

00:02:02.640 I appreciate that, brother.

00:02:03.740 Yeah, it's cool, man.

00:02:04.580 How many times do you guys shoot?

00:02:05.520 Twice?

00:02:06.260 We did four shows.

00:02:07.700 Yeah, two a night.

00:02:08.780 That venue is so beautiful.

00:02:10.100 It's shot so well.

00:02:10.920 Who shot it?

00:02:11.360 Thank you.

00:02:12.100 So I had my guys do it, like Shifty, Shifty edited.

00:02:16.420 I forget the guys who's the DP.

00:02:19.120 And then Troy Miller was the director.

00:02:21.520 And yeah, it's tricky.

00:02:23.300 Like filming stand-up is so tricky, especially when you do these.

00:02:27.480 You know, we're used to just kind of doing it all ourselves.

00:02:29.220 So then you go do a special.

00:02:30.640 Yeah.

00:02:31.020 And you kind of realize that like each department is fighting against one another.

00:02:36.280 Like the video department wants to make it look beautiful, but making it look beautiful

00:02:42.200 might make the audio sound bad.

00:02:44.980 The audio department wants to make it sound beautiful.

00:02:48.420 What makes it sound beautiful might mean your mic is really low in the room.

00:02:52.380 So now the show could be shitty for the audience.

00:02:55.760 You know what I mean?

00:02:56.240 So there's like all these, like we had speakers.

00:02:59.140 I don't know if you noticed, like in the front, like usually a lot of times.

00:03:01.580 Yeah, so you want to say you had your foot up on it.

00:03:03.160 Yeah, and like most people don't do that because the shot is more beautiful.

00:03:06.280 So you just have like raw stage.

00:03:08.640 But I was like, I think that the special would be better if the audience enjoys it the most.

00:03:14.180 Yeah.

00:03:14.720 You know what I mean?

00:03:15.540 Like.

00:03:15.640 That's how I agree with that.

00:03:16.780 Yeah.

00:03:17.100 Because if they have fun, you have fun.

00:03:18.360 Exactly.

00:03:18.800 I was like, there was, there was one, there was one, I think it was like show one and

00:03:22.380 there was like miscommunication or something.

00:03:24.200 The camera guy was a really sweet guy, but like he thought it was his job to just keep

00:03:27.860 walking down the aisle and back up the aisle with the camera.

00:03:30.620 And I'm like, bro, they got to believe that this is kind of just happening.

00:03:34.720 And when you walk in front of them with a camera, the illusion kind of falls apart, right?

00:03:40.080 They feel like they're part of a filming instead of like just part of this show.

00:03:43.660 So yeah, that's the tricky.

00:03:45.320 I wish I didn't even have to tell them we were filming.

00:03:47.760 Yeah.

00:03:48.820 You know what I mean?

00:03:49.740 Right.

00:03:50.100 Just make it be a regular show.

00:03:50.860 This is just a show.

00:03:51.780 So if you guys yell out or do something, this is as natural as it could possibly be.

00:03:54.720 I wonder if you could have probably could have done that in hindsight.

00:03:56.740 Yeah.

00:03:57.220 I mean, earlier ones, I was able to do that, but I think this one, I don't know, this one,

00:04:01.780 maybe I was like nervous.

00:04:02.580 I was like, fuck, I really want to make sure that we could fill that place four times.

00:04:06.440 And, you know, I don't know.

00:04:08.080 Huge venue.

00:04:08.540 It's beautiful.

00:04:09.160 What is that?

00:04:09.840 Yeah.

00:04:10.020 It's the beacon in New York.

00:04:11.700 Wow.

00:04:12.340 Yeah.

00:04:12.540 It's pretty.

00:04:13.640 Yeah, dude, this looks, I mean, I thought I was like, this is unbelievable looking.

00:04:18.160 Oh, thanks, man.

00:04:18.920 Yeah.

00:04:19.060 You guys crushed it.

00:04:19.920 Even the font that they chose for Andrew Schultz life, I thought it was perfect.

00:04:24.200 There was just a lot of great choices.

00:04:25.460 I thought.

00:04:26.200 Yeah.

00:04:26.360 The first, the Netflix special, the, you know, the first thing that comes up on the black

00:04:31.720 screen, that's actually my wife's handwriting.

00:04:34.700 Oh, really?

00:04:35.720 Yeah.

00:04:36.720 Yeah.

00:04:37.340 She wasn't aware that that's what it was, but it was a, because I don't know how far you

00:04:41.400 are in the special yet, but most of it is this like journey of us trying to get pregnant.

00:04:45.440 Yeah.

00:04:45.640 Yeah.

00:04:45.780 That's where I'm at.

00:04:46.440 I'm at to like, let me think.

00:04:47.720 Oh, after you saw the baby, but it's, you haven't gone through the journey about getting

00:04:52.640 pregnant.

00:04:52.860 It's just the actual seeing the child, I guess.

00:04:54.860 The C-section, the story, and all that kind of stuff.

00:04:56.880 Yeah.

00:04:56.980 Yeah.

00:04:57.080 Yeah.

00:04:57.240 Yeah.

00:04:57.380 Yeah.

00:04:57.560 Yeah.

00:04:57.720 Yeah.

00:04:58.200 Dude, it's incredible.

00:04:58.980 Congrats, man.

00:04:59.460 Thanks, man.

00:05:00.160 Thank you.

00:05:01.000 Yeah.

00:05:01.260 Good to see you, man.

00:05:02.040 Great to see you, man.

00:05:03.560 Unbelievable, bro.

00:05:04.680 Unbelievable.

00:05:05.100 It's freaking been a while, dude.

00:05:06.220 I know.

00:05:06.240 You've been caught up in some beef.

00:05:07.480 You were in the fucking rat beef.

00:05:08.740 I was like, yes, dude.

00:05:09.680 I thought you were going to pop out at Super Bowl.

00:05:12.020 You know, I was supposed to go to the Super Bowl.

00:05:14.300 I was supposed to be part of the show.

00:05:17.740 I was like, how wild is this shit going to get?

00:05:20.040 No, no, no.

00:05:20.740 We were going to go, actually.

00:05:21.920 You were there, right?

00:05:23.040 No, I didn't go, man.

00:05:24.380 Me and David Spades started making that movie, and so we had to shoot that.

00:05:27.480 How's that going?

00:05:28.080 It's interesting, man.

00:05:29.200 Yeah.

00:05:29.420 It's done.

00:05:30.080 Do you like, because I remember years ago when we were doing the pod, there was a,

00:05:34.480 hopefully you don't feel bad about me sharing, but you had some frustration with not being

00:05:38.860 able to create these projects.

00:05:40.620 Do you remember us having these conversations where you really wanted to make a TV show and

00:05:44.540 didn't feel like those doors were open, and now you're making this movie, you know, you're

00:05:49.020 on top of the world.

00:05:49.680 It must feel pretty cool.

00:05:51.080 Well, I think we just did it ourselves.

00:05:52.560 Nobody wanted to make it.

00:05:53.540 We took it out.

00:05:54.220 We took it to the streamers, and we-

00:05:55.940 Oh, you created your own movie?

00:05:57.340 Yeah.

00:05:57.720 You filmed it before even pitching it to them?

00:05:59.880 No, no, no.

00:06:00.380 Pitching it to them?

00:06:00.980 We pitched it first.

00:06:01.840 Okay.

00:06:02.260 Right, so we pitched it, and nobody-

00:06:03.760 No way.

00:06:04.500 Oh, dude, we couldn't get-

00:06:05.860 And it was Spade, you know?

00:06:07.020 I'm like-

00:06:07.720 Even with you and Spade, at this point in your career, there was still hesitation.

00:06:11.620 I just felt like it would have been nice to feel some support there, you know?

00:06:16.520 Like, it just would have been like, hey, look, just even as a good faith thing, we'll

00:06:20.400 do the, you know, something.

00:06:21.560 Also, you probably got PTSD, too, from, like, years of wanting to do these things and not

00:06:25.520 really feeling it.

00:06:26.020 That's true.

00:06:26.600 That's true.

00:06:26.700 And then, like, now you're at this point where you're on top of the world.

00:06:29.100 You're like, all right, now everybody's gonna give me the opportunity, and then to still

00:06:32.660 feel that, oh, that sucks.

00:06:35.140 Yeah, but then I realized it's just how it is.

00:06:36.780 It's just life.

00:06:37.500 Yeah, I think, I didn't feel like, I don't know if I felt on top.

00:06:39.620 I felt like this was a brave thing we were trying to do.

00:06:42.180 Yeah.

00:06:42.520 It was a new thing I was learning.

00:06:44.780 But I felt like with Spade, it kind of was gonna be okay because he-

00:06:47.520 Kind of a no-brainer.

00:06:48.440 Right, he knows what he's doing.

00:06:49.740 That's the other thing.

00:06:50.340 It's like, giving us money to make a movie, like, we're kind of knuckleheads.

00:06:54.380 It's kind of a bad idea.

00:06:55.260 Yeah, it is.

00:06:56.040 Like, to us, it's a great idea.

00:06:57.960 We're like, we'll figure it out.

00:06:58.900 They're like, have you done this before?

00:06:59.960 And I'm like, nah, but it's just, it's a movie, right?

00:07:01.900 It can't be that hard, right?

00:07:02.920 But a guy like Spade, he's done it before, you know?

00:07:07.320 Yeah, he'll fucking know, he'll have the camera in his trunk of his car, and everything

00:07:10.620 will be fine.

00:07:10.920 He's got all figured out.

00:07:12.260 So-

00:07:12.600 Yeah, why do we have that attitude?

00:07:14.000 Like, we want to make a movie, and it costs $30 million, and we're like, these fucking assholes.

00:07:19.760 How dare they not give us $30 million, even though we've proven we can do nothing?

00:07:25.200 Like, what is that about?

00:07:27.500 That's a great point.

00:07:28.320 That's kind of on us a little bit.

00:07:29.940 Oh, totally.

00:07:31.280 Is that narcissism?

00:07:32.460 Is it ego?

00:07:34.240 Well, I think, I would never think, give me dirt.

00:07:36.640 I would never, like, if they even try to do something like that, I'd be like, this is

00:07:39.260 insane.

00:07:39.820 But I think what I realized in it was, I just want to do something if I can do it by myself,

00:07:43.600 whether it's win or lose.

00:07:44.540 It's like, I'd rather make it something small, and then, and even if some, like, was like,

00:07:50.500 hey, come do it with us, or some studio, I don't want to do that.

00:07:53.480 It's like, I just want to do something that it's like, okay, will people like this?

00:07:57.200 Will they believe that I tried my best?

00:07:59.460 Like, even if it's not that good, it's like, that's okay.

00:08:02.380 I can just tell people that go to see it in advance, hey, I'm not going to be that great

00:08:06.400 in it, but it'll be a cool movie.

00:08:08.220 You know, like, I just don't want to lie to it.

00:08:09.560 It's just like, as long as there's just a transparency, then I think it's fine.

00:08:12.980 I think people admire those that take risks.

00:08:16.500 I think that's almost like an American thing in general.

00:08:18.720 We like risk takers.

00:08:19.680 We like people who are brave.

00:08:21.020 And I wonder if it's baked in our DNA a little bit.

00:08:23.260 Like, our family members that left their families around the world to never see them again

00:08:28.680 for, like, maybe an opportunity here.

00:08:30.600 Right.

00:08:30.940 Like, I think that we're probably, we have, like, the DNA of the biggest risk takers on

00:08:35.720 the planet.

00:08:36.360 Yeah, like Christopher Columbus, dude.

00:08:37.720 Like, what about his sister or whatever?

00:08:39.320 She's a boring bitch.

00:08:40.500 Yeah, she just got left and fucking wherever.

00:08:43.180 And probably lived a way better life.

00:08:45.140 She's not learning Native American.

00:08:47.000 She's just chilling.

00:08:48.420 She's out over here lying to Indians for fucking, for lunch.

00:08:52.920 Just shows up.

00:08:53.560 What do you mean there's no gold?

00:08:55.720 Yeah.

00:08:55.940 But dude, you had to, imagine taking off in a boat.

00:08:58.620 People are like, where are you headed?

00:08:59.580 You're like, I don't fucking know.

00:09:00.900 You're trying to be cool, right?

00:09:01.840 Because it's like your last day on the docks or whatever.

00:09:04.080 You're like, I don't know.

00:09:04.760 We'll figure it out when we get out there.

00:09:06.400 Like, when we get out there.

00:09:07.480 You got to be selling the dream, though.

00:09:08.880 You're like, no, no, no.

00:09:09.620 Trust me.

00:09:10.020 That's true.

00:09:10.440 Trust me.

00:09:10.820 It's crazy over there.

00:09:13.040 Yeah, they got everything.

00:09:14.640 Women that you get out there.

00:09:15.700 I heard that you get a couple miles out there.

00:09:17.000 There's just a lot of women out there.

00:09:20.060 They got them on the way.

00:09:21.300 You don't even have to make it the whole way.

00:09:23.060 They got stops.

00:09:25.080 Yeah, it is.

00:09:25.980 So anyway, so I think, like, naturally, you know, you get a lot of success.

00:09:30.720 There are going to be people that enjoy seeing you fail or whatever it is.

00:09:33.820 But unfortunately, I guess, human beings, we got that in us a little bit.

00:09:37.640 But I do also feel like the people that ride for you appreciate the risk that you'd be taking.

00:09:43.820 Yeah.

00:09:44.440 I do think that.

00:09:45.120 I think all of us as comedians, I think they do.

00:09:46.460 I think that's one of the reasons why comedians and podcasts maybe does well is because, well, for one, I think we try to, I don't know, this sounds fucking egomaniacal.

00:09:56.060 I have no idea.

00:09:56.760 Well, say it, say it, say it.

00:09:57.500 But no, I heard somebody say that, like, a lot of podcasters, they're just trying to figure out the truth.

00:10:02.580 They just, they're not, like, we don't work for anybody.

00:10:04.800 So it's like, if you ask somebody a question, it's just because you want to know.

00:10:09.020 Yeah.

00:10:09.160 It's not because, like, there's a producer saying, let's get this answer.

00:10:12.740 Yeah, curiosity is kind of punished in a way.

00:10:15.060 But maybe it's because they'll put us on such a pedestal.

00:10:17.740 They're like, you should know the answer to these things.

00:10:19.720 It's like, well, I don't.

00:10:20.820 And that's why this guy's here, because I'm trying to figure out the answer to it.

00:10:24.240 And I just want to know their take.

00:10:26.480 Right.

00:10:26.820 I might not even be able to communicate that well or rebuttal or grill them that well, but I just want to, like.

00:10:31.020 I want to grill them.

00:10:31.860 I want to know what they think.

00:10:33.360 And then I'll bring somebody else who thinks something different, and I'll ask them that.

00:10:37.100 But, yeah, that is, I guess, maybe some criticism.

00:10:39.840 It's like, well, why didn't you ask this question?

00:10:42.420 Or why didn't you rebuke that?

00:10:44.340 And it's like, bro, I don't know.

00:10:45.420 I don't know anything just yet.

00:10:46.400 Yeah, I'm not a doctor.

00:10:47.420 I'm not a politician.

00:10:49.000 Like, I got in this own trap of just because of last year we got to have some political people on the podcast.

00:10:53.260 And I was like, dude, there was like a month ago I started thinking, like, oh, I'm a political guy.

00:10:57.460 Did you feel like you had to be informed?

00:11:04.000 Were you, like, reading Wall Street Journal and shit?

00:11:05.320 I know.

00:11:05.620 I just, like, I thought, like, because here was the crazy thing.

00:11:08.780 People started coming up to me.

00:11:10.180 A political guy.

00:11:11.260 Yeah, dude.

00:11:12.000 Well, people would come up to me and ask me about political shit.

00:11:14.500 I was like.

00:11:14.800 Like asking your take?

00:11:15.880 Yeah, dude.

00:11:16.340 I was like, I don't fucking know.

00:11:19.240 I don't know, dude.

00:11:20.740 Like, you know, or like, so, but then I started to realize, wow, people's perceptions are affected, like, how they see people, where they see them at and stuff.

00:11:27.940 And then I was like, well, I do have some political thoughts.

00:11:30.160 Like, most of them are just kind of regular people's kind of thoughts and ideas.

00:11:33.500 Like, they're not super in-depth.

00:11:36.060 But, yeah, I think for, like, a week I started smoking my own nuts and thinking I was, like, fucking J. Edgar Hoover or somebody, you know.

00:11:43.640 I actually think that, like, whatever your perception or your feelings are about something, that's actually more valuable than what the, like, factual truth is.

00:11:52.080 Oh, yeah.

00:11:52.340 Because most people aren't reading up on the factual truth.

00:11:55.520 Right.

00:11:55.720 Like, you got to meet people where they are emotionally.

00:11:58.140 That's a good point.

00:11:58.800 And the people are trusting their gut.

00:12:00.060 So I think, yeah, when you do just talk to somebody and you don't let the people, let people decide, well, do I think, like, I believe that guy?

00:12:06.960 Do I, you know, and then they get to decide.

00:12:08.540 And you might hate what that person says, but don't dismiss him because there might be a lot of people that feel that same way.

00:12:15.860 Yeah.

00:12:16.200 You know what I mean?

00:12:16.640 Like, there's a lot of people, like, I've heard people say this a lot.

00:12:19.500 They go, you know, the economy actually wasn't that bad, you know, under Biden or whatever it is.

00:12:25.080 The economy, and it's like, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro.

00:12:27.260 You can't tell somebody who feels the economy is bad that it's not bad.

00:12:31.760 That's a good point.

00:12:32.600 Right?

00:12:32.820 Like, if they feel like the eggs are expensive, that's what they feel.

00:12:37.240 It's like, I would say this, like, if I get into an argument with my wife, like, I do just want to piss her off.

00:12:41.640 And, like, she doesn't want me to explain to her why she shouldn't be upset.

00:12:47.820 Right?

00:12:48.260 Like, that never works.

00:12:49.680 Right?

00:12:50.040 Like, I know you're upset, but you shouldn't be because of these reasons.

00:12:52.820 She's like, fuck you.

00:12:54.000 She just wants me to be like, hey, my bad.

00:12:56.140 I'm sorry I made you feel that way.

00:12:57.540 And I feel like our whole political discourse, and I don't know anything about politics,

00:13:01.020 but I feel like the whole political discourse is just like, you're wrong because.

00:13:04.580 And then the other side going, you're wrong because.

00:13:06.520 And then it's just shows set up to dunk on one another.

00:13:09.500 Like, there's no good faith conversation.

00:13:11.560 And the second we're out here having, like, a good faith conversation, like, we bring somebody on,

00:13:15.220 and we're just like, all right, so what do you feel about the world?

00:13:17.680 People go to us like, you fucking asshole.

00:13:20.480 How dare you not dunk on that guy?

00:13:22.960 Like, how dare you not humiliate him on your podcast so I can feel good at home?

00:13:27.280 It's crazy, right?

00:13:28.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:29.480 And you can't win.

00:13:30.460 Like, we had, like, Candace Owens and Hassan Piker.

00:13:33.160 They're, like, different sides of the aisle last week, right?

00:13:35.980 So you had, like, Brogan had Ian Carroll, and you had Candace on, like, I think the same day.

00:13:41.680 It was a tough week for Israel.

00:13:43.280 Jews stayed inside.

00:13:44.740 Jews went to the tunnels.

00:13:46.340 They're like, we had everybody into the tunnels.

00:13:51.060 Put the mattresses back in, son.

00:13:54.020 We got to figure, we got to regroup.

00:13:56.600 But, dude, I didn't fucking know.

00:13:58.040 I thought we'll have somebody from the left and somebody from the right, right?

00:14:00.780 Yeah.

00:14:01.140 But I didn't.

00:14:01.540 Oh, bro.

00:14:02.460 Sorry to go.

00:14:03.020 Go ahead.

00:14:03.080 Yeah, I had no, I was just like, okay, let's hear some different thoughts and different

00:14:06.960 opinions or whatever.

00:14:07.740 That's the other thing I realized, like, I think it was after the last special, right?

00:14:11.020 I was like, okay, you know what?

00:14:12.420 I'm going to kind of chill.

00:14:13.560 Like, I want to spend time with my family, my friends.

00:14:15.260 Like, I'm not going to go out and do as many, like, pods and stuff like that.

00:14:19.440 You know, I got a lot of work that I'm doing at home.

00:14:22.580 And I don't know what, like, I'm not saying I'm famous, but I don't know what the fuck,

00:14:26.740 like, it is to be famous.

00:14:27.660 Like, I never wanted to be famous.

00:14:28.940 Like, I knew that that might have been, like, a byproduct of having success in comedy.

00:14:32.100 But it wasn't, like, I never, like, studied being famous.

00:14:35.200 Like, I didn't give a fuck about, like, how to be a famous person.

00:14:38.340 Does that make sense?

00:14:39.080 Well, yeah, I mean, well, who knew that podcasts would have such, would be, and clips of podcasts

00:14:43.080 would get out so much.

00:14:44.200 Would be huge, right?

00:14:45.260 So, like, I remember I was like, okay, I'm not, I'm just going to chill.

00:14:48.760 I'm like, I'm not going to be doing as many pods, et cetera.

00:14:51.000 And that's the thing that I realized, like, having different voices on your pod doesn't

00:14:55.960 really do anything for your, for the people's perception of you that aren't your fans.

00:15:02.040 Wait, say it one more time so I hear it.

00:15:03.220 So, like, so we probably, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but, like, we probably

00:15:06.300 think, like, I'm going to have different voices on my podcast.

00:15:08.780 And, like, one, I'm curious and I want to know what they think.

00:15:11.660 But two, I want to also, like, let the people out there in the world know, like, I care about

00:15:16.120 hearing from different people.

00:15:17.320 Yeah.

00:15:17.480 And I care about having diversity of thought on my podcast, right?

00:15:21.800 The people that don't know you, the casuals, are just judging you by the worst thing you've

00:15:25.620 ever had on your podcast.

00:15:26.580 Right.

00:15:26.940 And the worst thing you've ever said.

00:15:28.360 Yeah.

00:15:28.520 I didn't realize this until recently.

00:15:30.980 The best way to, like, thwart those perceptions of you is not by having people on your show

00:15:36.720 because the casuals don't watch your show.

00:15:39.160 It's by going to your biggest critic's show and sitting down with them.

00:15:44.740 Or not even your biggest critic, but, like, going to somebody who, like, might have a very

00:15:48.040 different, like, worldview than you.

00:15:49.860 And then you guys sit down and realize, oh, shit, we actually don't have that different

00:15:52.460 worldview.

00:15:52.900 Yeah.

00:15:53.060 That was all a perception.

00:15:54.860 Anyway, I think a lot of times we go, okay, we're really busy.

00:15:58.500 It's, like, hard for us to go around and do different shows and that kind of stuff.

00:16:02.480 Because I think our perception is not going, like, how can I be the most famous person?

00:16:06.560 Like, I don't give a fuck.

00:16:07.100 I want to make the coolest stand-up that I possibly can.

00:16:09.080 I want to hang out with my friends and I want to talk some shit on a podcast.

00:16:11.340 Like, that's enough for me.

00:16:12.480 Yeah.

00:16:13.640 But I've realized the importance now of going to other people's homes and having those conversations.

00:16:20.100 You know, like, we had Hassan on our pod.

00:16:21.500 It probably would have been more beneficial for me to also go on his stream and talk to

00:16:25.980 him and let him bring up shit that I said and, like, tell me, have him tell me, like,

00:16:30.580 why I'm missing this, like, nuanced point and be like, oh, that's interesting.

00:16:34.180 Like, that might actually be better for the people that barely understand me or don't even

00:16:38.220 know me to have, like, a more holistic view of me and, like, understand who I am as a person.

00:16:42.240 Right, to actually go into their world a little bit more.

00:16:44.200 Yeah, because then you find things about me that might not come up on the pod.

00:16:47.080 Yeah.

00:16:47.260 Like, you start asking me things about, like, how I feel about, you know, I don't know,

00:16:51.020 whatever it is.

00:16:51.560 I don't know if it's fucking, like, Marxism or some shit like that.

00:16:54.380 And I go, oh, yeah, maybe.

00:16:55.840 Actually, that kind of sounds good on paper.

00:16:57.320 Yeah.

00:16:57.480 I don't know.

00:16:58.280 It'd be nice if there was a little bit more equality for people and people who had nothing

00:17:01.280 had the ability to come up.

00:17:02.820 That'd be pretty cool.

00:17:03.640 A little light Marxism.

00:17:04.740 Yeah.

00:17:05.020 Just light.

00:17:06.380 Nah, you know what I mean?

00:17:07.240 Hey, you got to cut it with something.

00:17:09.020 You need majority capitalism.

00:17:10.440 You know, it's like a cappuccino.

00:17:12.380 You know what I mean?

00:17:13.000 You can't have, we're not taking espresso shots of Marxism.

00:17:16.580 You know what I mean?

00:17:18.280 It's just, we like capitalism.

00:17:21.600 Yeah, just a fucking latte.

00:17:23.600 Just, yeah, half-calf.

00:17:25.220 Exactly.

00:17:26.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:27.380 Damn, dude.

00:17:28.160 Yeah, I don't know.

00:17:29.020 It's all, it's definitely been, mainstream media just got so, like, I don't know.

00:17:34.360 The whole thing has been bizarre, man.

00:17:35.760 And being a part of podcasting, you know, all the strange little connections that are

00:17:40.180 out there.

00:17:40.820 I mean, like you were saying, Gavin Newsom just started a podcast where he's having people

00:17:45.340 who kind of disagree with him when he had Charlie Kirk on.

00:17:47.460 I think it's a really smart thing.

00:17:48.480 Which is pretty wild, you know?

00:17:49.960 I think it's a really smart thing.

00:17:51.340 And we're talking about that at the beginning.

00:17:52.500 And Dove, your producer, said that, well, he felt like this was kind of Newsom's last

00:17:56.700 hope, too.

00:17:57.520 It's like, because he's probably on the way out.

00:17:59.660 So unless he could do something to salvage that.

00:18:02.560 A hundred percent.

00:18:03.020 But having a podcast and it's having people you don't agree with hang out with you for

00:18:06.380 a while is, it's pretty brave.

00:18:07.760 It's also like, that's the exact word I was going to, it's like brave.

00:18:10.980 You want to show bravery.

00:18:12.480 And I think like, not to be political or whatever, but I think in the last, and again, I don't

00:18:16.780 care about politics, but like culture is interesting to me.

00:18:18.680 But I think in the last, you know, election with the podcast run, and I just want to say

00:18:23.200 personally, I don't think that we changed the election at all.

00:18:26.040 I agree a hundred percent.

00:18:26.480 I have no ego about that.

00:18:28.620 That was decided way before us.

00:18:30.380 Yeah.

00:18:30.720 Like it, it, it made me, made people feel more comfortable voicing how they were already

00:18:36.280 going to vote, but I don't think people are watching.

00:18:38.780 Like I'm completely flipped on this.

00:18:41.180 Yeah.

00:18:41.260 That's insane also.

00:18:42.920 Yeah.

00:18:43.920 But, uh, but yeah, I think that the, the lack of representation of Kamala and even like

00:18:50.460 her constituents on the podcast run, I think it showed a lack of bravery.

00:18:54.700 Like the feeling was like, Oh, they're scared to go have potentially tough conversations.

00:18:59.920 It wasn't even going to be tough with us.

00:19:01.660 I know.

00:19:02.080 What are we going to grill her on?

00:19:03.720 I couldn't even think of a thing.

00:19:05.080 I mean, I heard that she roller skated a lot and I wouldn't be curious about that, but

00:19:07.780 it's like, other than that, it's like, I don't know what I would have talked about,

00:19:11.620 but her people are going, we can't go on feel.

00:19:14.300 I mean, he's just going to come with the hard headed questions.

00:19:16.360 Like something like that is insane, but we, don't you, don't you appreciate that?

00:19:24.380 Like as, as much as Gavin Newsom just seems like a plastic bag in the wind.

00:19:28.660 I'm also like, I'm brave.

00:19:31.480 You're willing to sit down on something recorded.

00:19:33.600 I wouldn't talk to Charlie Kirk.

00:19:34.660 That motherfucker is a good argument.

00:19:37.400 Candace too.

00:19:38.100 Candace.

00:19:38.540 I always say that's Rogen said, Candace is, is John wick.

00:19:43.500 You do not get in her fucking way.

00:19:45.500 Oh, she, yeah.

00:19:47.520 She's definitely, uh, yeah.

00:19:49.640 When you said her kid looked like Anthony Smith, I was like, you better.

00:19:52.660 I was like, you a crazy motherfucker right here, bro.

00:19:55.300 That daughter, and look, a beautiful kid.

00:19:57.540 Beautiful.

00:19:58.400 You just stop at beautiful.

00:19:59.760 That's what you do.

00:20:00.440 You stop at beautiful.

00:20:01.360 Cause you do not want Candace to get fixated.

00:20:03.920 Okay.

00:20:04.500 You do not want her to get fixated.

00:20:06.940 The second she comes up with a Theo video, you got to hope something happens in Israel Pals.

00:20:12.160 Shift the attention.

00:20:14.700 Gazoon type.

00:20:15.500 I need a bucket.

00:20:19.040 Bro, that was layered.

00:20:20.240 Cause you made it German as well.

00:20:22.480 I brought that in.

00:20:23.220 I can't believe that happened.

00:20:24.360 Thank you, dude.

00:20:25.380 Gazoon type is good.

00:20:26.380 I did not believe that was going to come up.

00:20:27.940 I just started with Gaza.

00:20:29.100 And then I was like, I, this won't be funny.

00:20:30.760 I hope people get how layered that is.

00:20:32.560 That is good.

00:20:33.300 That was teamwork though.

00:20:34.240 I don't know about that.

00:20:35.140 It really was, dude.

00:20:35.460 I think you went one on one right there.

00:20:37.060 I said that her daughter looks a little bit like.

00:20:39.280 She's beautiful.

00:20:39.880 She, oh, the daughter is beautiful.

00:20:41.280 I think what we got to say is that Anthony Smith is a beautiful little girl.

00:20:45.320 Yeah.

00:20:45.420 I think that's the better way of describing.

00:20:47.260 He's a savage fighter.

00:20:48.500 He's the fisty Charlemagne, baby.

00:20:50.100 That's what I think is all that's safe to say here.

00:20:58.120 Yo, he does look mixed a little bit.

00:21:00.200 Is he mixed?

00:21:01.240 Anthony, yeah, he is.

00:21:02.300 Mixed for what?

00:21:03.160 I don't know.

00:21:04.680 I think he's a lot, you know, he's latte or whatever they call it.

00:21:07.300 He is.

00:21:08.300 But Anthony's incredible.

00:21:10.020 And that little, and that daughter looks incredible.

00:21:12.120 Oh, she's beautiful.

00:21:12.580 I know.

00:21:12.920 Yeah, she's beautiful.

00:21:15.500 But shout out to Candice.

00:21:16.320 It's so funny how like.

00:21:17.440 And shout out to Charlemagne too.

00:21:18.600 I just made, I made a joke one time about him.

00:21:21.980 I said he had, he was.

00:21:23.240 Oh, he's handsome.

00:21:24.060 Yeah, he's handsome.

00:21:25.120 Oh, he loved that one.

00:21:26.380 And I don't remember what happened with it, but I just thought it was.

00:21:29.540 I think he brought it up.

00:21:30.540 He was like, this is a deal.

00:21:31.260 I want to think I'm handsome.

00:21:32.260 That's true, that's true.

00:21:33.740 He doesn't age though.

00:21:35.180 Oh, dude, no, he's killing it.

00:21:36.540 He's killing it.

00:21:37.300 Yeah.

00:21:37.580 I would like to get to meet.

00:21:38.400 I've never, I don't know if I've ever met him.

00:21:40.020 I got to connect you guys, man.

00:21:41.120 Yeah.

00:21:41.420 You guys would have a great talk.

00:21:42.580 I bet we probably would.

00:21:43.520 Oh, yeah, of course.

00:21:44.100 Um, yeah, I saw that they just had, uh, who did they have on there that I love?

00:21:50.120 Who on Breakfast Club?

00:21:51.040 Yeah.

00:21:51.880 I can't remember.

00:21:53.580 You know, the Candace Baldoni stuff.

00:21:55.500 I don't know if you were following that at all.

00:21:56.780 I didn't get into that.

00:21:57.640 I don't get into a lot of the celebrity lore.

00:21:59.820 The only reason why it's interesting to me is that, um, you know, like Candace has like

00:22:03.860 been positioned in a way on the internet, right?

00:22:06.860 Like, and she existed there and people had her opinions on her and like, everybody was

00:22:13.060 stuck.

00:22:13.500 They're like, that's this girl and bad.

00:22:15.700 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:22:16.620 We don't listen to her at all.

00:22:17.740 And she started talking about that Baldoni Blake Lively thing.

00:22:21.240 And even my wife was hitting me like, have you heard this Candace Owens girl talking about?

00:22:26.480 I mean, she just exposes the whole thing.

00:22:28.260 Like, it's crazy how like, like social utility frames how people see you.

00:22:33.440 So you could be a bad guy and then you start talking in depth about something that people

00:22:38.880 care about.

00:22:39.740 And then all of a sudden, while you're talking about that, you're a good guy.

00:22:43.600 You're a hero.

00:22:45.500 That's interesting.

00:22:46.680 Like, what does that say about us?

00:22:48.200 Is it?

00:22:50.180 What's the same with the politic thing?

00:22:51.460 It's like people see you talking to a politician and now like at your Christmas and family stuff,

00:22:56.160 people are coming up and talking to you about, asking about politics and shit and foreign

00:22:59.920 protocol or whatever.

00:23:01.080 You're like, what should we do?

00:23:03.280 You're coming to Syria, Theo.

00:23:04.580 You're like, man, let me make a call or two.

00:23:07.280 I don't know.

00:23:09.500 Yeah, people are asking if I was going to be an ambassador to something or whatever.

00:23:12.480 What would you be an ambassador to?

00:23:14.040 I don't know.

00:23:14.560 You're going to ask for Louisiana.

00:23:16.080 Yeah, maybe.

00:23:16.820 We don't need one of them.

00:23:18.420 Yeah, but we should make a special position.

00:23:20.200 Yeah, but we need.

00:23:21.120 Hey, look, I don't know if you've heard some of the slang down there, but we need someone

00:23:24.560 who can communicate.

00:23:25.340 We need an interpreter between the White House and Boosie, okay?

00:23:29.680 Because we're fucking, we're losing information.

00:23:32.040 Well, Theo Vaughn for ambassador of Louisiana.

00:23:35.500 The greatest thing the Trump administration has ever done.

00:23:38.860 Shake it like a dog, baby.

00:23:40.100 Do what you do.

00:23:41.140 I'll just be fucking, I'll be, I'll be breaking down rap lyrics for him.

00:23:46.500 Dude, that is creepy.

00:23:47.840 Is that Robert Greene's face on the 48 Laws of Power?

00:23:51.980 Oh my God.

00:23:52.960 That is one of the most terrifying things I keep looking at like over your, over your shoulder.

00:23:56.920 That's crazy.

00:23:57.200 I thought it was Dexter.

00:23:58.120 Now, he looks like Vigo from Ghostbusters 2.

00:24:00.720 Remember the dude in the painting?

00:24:03.020 Bring him up.

00:24:04.960 Vigo.

00:24:06.400 Did you see Ghostbusters 2?

00:24:08.740 No, no, I didn't see it.

00:24:09.900 My mom wouldn't let us watch that kind of stuff.

00:24:11.200 Oh, wow, he does.

00:24:11.820 And so do I a little bit.

00:24:13.440 And so does Alan Dershowitz.

00:24:16.500 Alan got that.

00:24:17.440 See, you are involved in politics, bro.

00:24:18.980 You know all these names.

00:24:21.080 You're plugged in, bro.

00:24:22.240 But aren't we plugged in?

00:24:23.360 Here's the crap.

00:24:24.060 The funny thing about Candace is they're like, they were like, you're an anti-Semite.

00:24:27.280 And she's like, oh, fucking call me whatever you want.

00:24:29.020 I'm a fucking, I have one of the top 10 podcasts in the world.

00:24:31.180 She really don't care.

00:24:31.960 She doesn't give a fuck.

00:24:33.440 She does not.

00:24:34.280 And the amount of people that listen to her.

00:24:36.300 It's like.

00:24:36.980 It's true.

00:24:37.500 And she, and she changes public sentiment.

00:24:39.940 Like she flipped that whole Blake Lively Baldoni thing.

00:24:42.680 That flipped.

00:24:43.740 Like he was a, I don't want to say pariah, but people were like, this guy's a fucking douchebag.

00:24:47.400 Another one of these, like, I'm a male feminist guys.

00:24:50.220 And then you're really a creep on set.

00:24:52.320 She completely 180'd the internet on that.

00:24:55.200 Baldoni got to give her a check.

00:24:56.460 That's a good point.

00:24:57.460 But she don't even want it, I bet.

00:24:58.860 She got to be so rich because you need to be, you need to have some money to be that

00:25:03.200 brave and have kids.

00:25:04.540 That's a good point, huh?

00:25:05.660 Right.

00:25:05.880 Like once you have kids, you got to be, you know, you got to make sure you can protect

00:25:08.500 those kids.

00:25:09.060 The dad must be like a rifleman or something or like a.

00:25:14.800 The dad of the babies, right?

00:25:16.320 The dad.

00:25:16.740 Yeah.

00:25:16.920 Somebody has to be.

00:25:17.880 Yeah.

00:25:18.040 They're going to hire Anthony Smith now to actually help protect that family.

00:25:23.180 That'd be pretty great, actually.

00:25:24.740 Denzel Washington, man on fire.

00:25:26.680 Yeah.

00:25:28.040 That'd be pretty great.

00:25:29.640 Dude, that'd be so great.

00:25:30.860 They show up to their next someplace with the whole family and Anthony Smith is their fucking

00:25:34.540 bodyguard.

00:25:35.140 That would be pretty sick, dude.

00:25:37.340 Bro, she could be in the bodyguard.

00:25:40.240 That's the new bodyguard starring Candace Owens and Anthony Smith.

00:25:45.360 Wow.

00:25:45.800 Wow.

00:25:46.340 Whose baby is it?

00:25:48.900 Actually, you don't want to do that.

00:25:50.520 No, she'll get pissed, dude.

00:25:51.580 You don't want to do that.

00:25:52.780 And what if she breaks the story down and she finds out that it's, that's the whole story.

00:25:57.780 Stop it.

00:25:58.180 Stop it.

00:25:58.920 Stop it.

00:25:59.600 You have a deep dive on her.

00:26:02.140 She does it.

00:26:02.960 She's surprised by her own results.

00:26:05.440 You would never see that coming.

00:26:07.660 No, but that sounds like a cool, it actually sounds like a cool movie or something.

00:26:10.760 But we're just joking, Candace.

00:26:12.140 We do not want to.

00:26:12.360 Candace, by the way, we want no problems at all.

00:26:13.840 We want zero problems.

00:26:15.260 Are we all looking into the cams when we say this?

00:26:17.060 We want zero problems.

00:26:18.320 Yep.

00:26:18.500 Okay.

00:26:18.800 Zero problems.

00:26:19.480 Harper Weinstein didn't do it.

00:26:20.960 Wait, wait, wait.

00:26:22.540 That's what she's on.

00:26:23.380 That's right.

00:26:24.020 That's what she's saying now.

00:26:25.160 That's what she's saying.

00:26:26.440 But I will say this.

00:26:27.200 You can't predict her at all.

00:26:28.580 No.

00:26:29.160 She's brave and she's thorough.

00:26:31.320 Yeah.

00:26:31.980 And she's never lost a lawsuit.

00:26:34.920 She is.

00:26:36.120 But it is kind of crazy how the mainstream media had just been this machine and then now

00:26:40.700 you're starting to see like, oh, well, what about these stories you never heard about?

00:26:44.060 What about the fact that some information might not even be true because it was all just

00:26:48.900 kind of like part of a plan?

00:26:50.380 Like, that shit's kind of wild.

00:26:52.540 Yeah.

00:26:52.940 And that makes podcasting and like freelance communication or whatever it's called.

00:26:58.120 Yeah.

00:26:59.300 Even more interesting.

00:27:00.980 Well, yeah.

00:27:01.400 I don't even know what to believe now.

00:27:02.660 When I'm, you see clips and I start, but I'm like, oh, this is what I, and you're like,

00:27:06.540 dude, I haven't, there's no real place to get completely factual truth.

00:27:12.280 Well, maybe because.

00:27:12.980 Except your instinct.

00:27:13.860 Yeah.

00:27:14.140 But maybe because like there is no completely factual truth.

00:27:17.120 That could be it too.

00:27:17.680 I think that's the thing.

00:27:18.520 And I think it was probably easier when there's like a few different news channels to disseminate

00:27:22.900 information.

00:27:23.680 Like kind of, we all agree on more.

00:27:25.120 Hey, this is what happened during the civil war.

00:27:26.780 Right.

00:27:27.140 This is what happened during the revolution.

00:27:28.380 Revolutionary war.

00:27:29.100 All right.

00:27:29.300 This is what happened during World War II.

00:27:30.620 I didn't even know Russia did anything during World War II until like a few years ago.

00:27:34.240 Yeah.

00:27:34.500 I found out like 25 million Russians died in World War II.

00:27:36.900 Nuh-uh.

00:27:37.520 Yeah.

00:27:38.060 Are you serious?

00:27:39.140 Yeah.

00:27:39.720 Pull that up.

00:27:40.260 How many Russians died in World War II?

00:27:41.580 That's unbelievable.

00:27:42.020 You don't ever hear about that.

00:27:43.460 Never hear.

00:27:44.040 But why would we teach that?

00:27:45.620 Right.

00:27:46.160 You know?

00:27:46.640 But it gives you a different concept of who did what.

00:27:49.920 27 million.

00:27:50.840 Wow.

00:27:51.420 Oh my God.

00:27:53.420 Yeah.

00:27:53.740 19 million civilian deaths.

00:27:55.560 8.7 million military deaths.

00:27:59.160 That's the thing with Russia.

00:28:00.040 What?

00:28:00.380 It's tricky.

00:28:01.020 It's like.

00:28:01.780 So they were an allied force, right?

00:28:03.540 Yeah.

00:28:04.020 And then immediately afterwards, you know, we started, you know, beefing in the Cold War

00:28:07.220 and all that kind of stuff.

00:28:08.240 But yeah, we had a united cause at one point in time.

00:28:10.380 Cause I think Hitler invaded Russia.

00:28:12.580 Oh, wow.

00:28:13.580 Yeah.

00:28:13.780 But the problem with invading Russia is like, they have a, like a cultural acceptance of

00:28:20.040 misery.

00:28:20.800 Right.

00:28:21.100 So they kind of like it in the beginning.

00:28:23.340 Is that what you're saying?

00:28:24.400 Of war?

00:28:24.980 You're saying?

00:28:25.440 They're like, oh, finally, this is our, we're back to homeostasis.

00:28:28.340 Be our guest.

00:28:29.380 Be our guest.

00:28:30.500 Yeah.

00:28:30.600 Like, I don't know.

00:28:32.440 Yeah, exactly.

00:28:33.960 So, so I don't know.

00:28:35.420 I just feel like if like Americans, we like it.

00:28:37.700 We like, we like, we like nice shit.

00:28:40.380 We like being comfortable.

00:28:41.880 We're, we're brave.

00:28:43.200 That's what I will say.

00:28:43.920 Like, I don't have concerns about us losing a war because I do think that we, we value

00:28:50.520 freedom.

00:28:51.460 Like, I don't think we would ever accept being controlled by another country.

00:28:54.840 And I think that the majority of us would rather die before that happened.

00:28:57.480 Right.

00:28:57.640 Or we just don't know that it's happening.

00:28:59.740 Here you go again.

00:29:01.280 Theo, Theo, here you go.

00:29:02.880 Theo, Theo, Theo, what country are you talking about?

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00:33:37.540 That's the problem with having people talk to us with really compelling arguments.

00:33:42.880 It's like, I will believe the last YouTube video I saw.

00:33:45.840 Whoever put this shit up this quickly, this has got to be AI, right?

00:33:49.780 This has got to be AI.

00:33:51.380 There is no way.

00:33:52.960 Oh, that's...

00:33:53.400 There is no way.

00:33:54.460 Oh, my God.

00:33:55.020 Hey, you're asking for it.

00:33:56.400 Whoever's doing this is asking for it.

00:33:58.300 You need to stop right now.

00:34:00.060 Listen, this is not...

00:34:01.320 Whoever's doing this...

00:34:03.020 But Candace looks great.

00:34:04.300 Oh, my God, she's stunning.

00:34:05.580 Beautiful woman.

00:34:07.000 Wow.

00:34:07.640 I look like...

00:34:08.280 Oh, that's Anthony Smith.

00:34:09.460 I thought that was my face.

00:34:10.740 It's not you, motherfucker.

00:34:11.280 No.

00:34:11.740 I thought it was my face.

00:34:13.240 Yeah, you...

00:34:13.780 Theo.

00:34:17.280 Theo.

00:34:17.760 Theo casts himself in a movie.

00:34:21.280 I cast myself as Anthony Smith.

00:34:24.860 Does it look...

00:34:25.680 I fucking...

00:34:26.580 My nose is a little bigger than his, though.

00:34:28.400 No.

00:34:28.800 Lip is the same.

00:34:30.480 Ugh.

00:34:31.060 That's crazy.

00:34:32.120 I looked at that two times.

00:34:33.220 I was like, I wonder how they did that, but let's go, huh?

00:34:37.120 Wow.

00:34:37.720 Yeah.

00:34:38.240 I can't...

00:34:38.560 Ugh.

00:34:39.240 It's not going to age well.

00:34:41.060 It'll be fine.

00:34:42.440 Candace, it's...

00:34:43.380 We're joking.

00:34:44.560 It's all jokes.

00:34:45.620 But yeah, I mean...

00:34:47.300 But the worst...

00:34:48.020 If you see a Charleston White video before you go to sleep, if that's the last one you

00:34:51.060 see...

00:34:51.440 That's a wild dude, Charleston.

00:34:53.120 Have you had him on your show?

00:34:54.000 Nah, have you?

00:34:54.660 Uh-uh.

00:34:55.260 That's a wild dude, man.

00:34:56.840 He is just so unpredictable.

00:34:58.900 Every...

00:34:59.180 The next sentence he says is also one of these things where it's like, people who say wild

00:35:03.700 shit can also be hilarious.

00:35:05.680 Let's stop acting like both of those can't be true.

00:35:08.680 You know what I mean?

00:35:09.400 Like, him, Dr. Umar.

00:35:11.320 I love Dr. Umar.

00:35:12.320 I've been trying to get Dr. Umar on my show forever.

00:35:14.660 Really?

00:35:14.760 Well, he thinks I want to debate him.

00:35:17.320 Oh, yeah.

00:35:18.100 And I don't think he understands that, like, I'm just a fan.

00:35:21.200 Like, I just think he's a hilarious communicator.

00:35:23.620 Does the culture...

00:35:24.320 Does black culture fuck with Dr. Umar or no?

00:35:26.840 As the spokesman for black culture, I would say yes.

00:35:30.180 Yeah, I would say yes.

00:35:32.880 That's fair.

00:35:33.540 Yeah.

00:35:34.460 That's fair.

00:35:35.400 Yeah, because I know sometimes people are iffy on Charleston White and the black culture,

00:35:38.740 you know?

00:35:39.000 Yeah.

00:35:39.440 Yeah, because I feel like maybe it's like his position is more critical.

00:35:44.660 Right.

00:35:45.020 Whereas, like, maybe Dr. Umar also has the same critiques of certain things.

00:35:48.620 But he is like, hey, we're black first and we got to stay united.

00:35:51.720 We got to lock this down.

00:35:52.640 We got to do what's best for the community.

00:35:54.420 But he is a, like, magnificently gifted speaker.

00:35:57.660 Like, he just talks in sound bites.

00:35:59.500 He has this, like, pastoral repetition.

00:36:02.300 Like, remember, like, early Chris Rocca, who you would, like, repeat the premise over

00:36:05.420 and over again?

00:36:06.400 Yeah.

00:36:06.560 And it kind of, like, just...

00:36:07.400 Yeah.

00:36:09.260 Emblazoned into your head.

00:36:11.700 But yeah, man.

00:36:12.520 Have you ever talked to him?

00:36:14.560 Charleston White?

00:36:15.160 No, no.

00:36:15.760 Dr. Umar?

00:36:16.380 Yeah.

00:36:16.680 No.

00:36:16.980 You're familiar with him, right?

00:36:17.840 I just heard about him, no joke, in one week ago.

00:36:19.680 No way.

00:36:20.180 Somebody mentioned, have you seen Dr. Umar?

00:36:22.100 Uh, I think my buddy Zita told me about him and showed me him.

00:36:25.700 Oh, dude, he was...

00:36:26.580 I thought this...

00:36:26.800 Oh, I thought that was fucking Kendrick Perkins or whatever.

00:36:31.760 I just saw this guy.

00:36:34.100 So you thought Dr. Umar was moonlighting on TNT?

00:36:37.040 And now everybody's just trusting...

00:36:39.080 Everything he says.

00:36:40.040 Yeah, I was like, how did he fucking change?

00:36:42.540 You're like, why is Drewski going to him for dating advice?

00:36:46.320 Why is Kendrick Perkins...

00:36:49.520 They got Drew...

00:36:50.500 Hey, bro, like...

00:36:51.580 That they came after Drewski...

00:36:53.120 Yeah, that bullshit-ass claim.

00:36:54.680 And against Odell, too.

00:36:56.160 That's the thing.

00:36:56.900 And then, like, whatever girl did that shit, like, we'll never hear from her again.

00:37:00.120 So you can just say these stupid shit.

00:37:02.000 It's just...

00:37:03.080 You should be...

00:37:03.500 You should have to go to jail for that.

00:37:04.800 Yeah.

00:37:05.480 You should have to go to jail for that shit.

00:37:06.780 Yeah.

00:37:07.460 Because he has to go out and say, I didn't do that.

00:37:09.820 Like, that's a crazy thing to have to say as a human.

00:37:11.920 Jay-Z had to say that shit.

00:37:13.540 And then they just dropped the lawsuit.

00:37:14.900 Did you see that?

00:37:15.480 Against Jay-Z?

00:37:16.160 Yeah.

00:37:16.720 And then, again, nobody even notices when the lawsuit's dropped.

00:37:19.180 Lawsuit gets dropped.

00:37:19.740 It's like, you got to scream it from the rooftops or else nobody will pay attention.

00:37:23.420 I know.

00:37:23.780 And that goes to that, like, hater shit with the successful.

00:37:26.040 It's like, that story was so popular because there was probably a lot of people that were

00:37:29.920 like, man, fuck Jay-Z for having a perfect wife and an amazing family and a child and

00:37:35.560 billions of dollars.

00:37:36.740 Yeah, he probably did that shit.

00:37:38.080 Damn.

00:37:39.260 And so then they're the ones tweeting it, sharing it, everything.

00:37:42.440 And there's bots now.

00:37:43.440 I mean, it's just, it's definitely bizarre.

00:37:45.660 You got to trust your own gut.

00:37:47.000 But yeah, you could see an article.

00:37:48.260 It's the last thing you saw.

00:37:49.740 And then you're like, people are like, damn, wasn't that guy addicted to drugs?

00:37:53.000 You're like, that guy is just won an Oscar.

00:37:55.540 It's just like, you know what I'm saying?

00:37:56.780 If you didn't tap in and what's been going on, you know, it's all crazy, man.

00:38:00.600 You'll see stories about yourself that are crazy.

00:38:02.300 I saw a story that I was like a, all a jar of cheese child or something from the third

00:38:06.200 generation or something.

00:38:07.240 And I was like, like a billionaire stepchild or whatever.

00:38:10.580 And I was like, what are you fucking talking?

00:38:13.100 I was like, if my dad, if we had any money, they'd never, no one ever had it.

00:38:19.200 But yo, here's the thing with that story is like, that story is just to discredit you.

00:38:24.800 Right?

00:38:25.120 Like if you come from crazy money, everybody gets to go, ah, see, it's not real.

00:38:30.220 And he actually didn't have to experience this kind of traumatic childhood.

00:38:33.440 And like, this is all bullshit.

00:38:35.120 It's like the story is specifically designed to cut your legs out from under you.

00:38:39.100 It's like, why, why do people want to do that?

00:38:40.900 Why is that?

00:38:42.080 And maybe it's in all human beings.

00:38:43.540 Maybe it's just something that we have to, to grapple with.

00:38:46.400 But, uh, but I imagine like the more confident you are in yourself, the more happy you could

00:38:51.360 be for people who get success.

00:38:53.820 Yeah, that's a good point, man.

00:38:55.320 I think realizing that I think, well, I think for a while you come from like a scarcity mentality,

00:38:59.600 you know, where you're like, man, shit's not going to like, fuck, somebody's

00:39:03.420 something bad's going to, you know, this ain't going to be okay.

00:39:05.800 This is going to go away.

00:39:06.600 Right.

00:39:06.980 This starts to change.

00:39:08.000 Or like the government's just going to come and take everything from you.

00:39:10.560 You can't believe that it's happened after so many years of trying.

00:39:13.880 Yeah.

00:39:14.220 And then also you like, you don't know how to have like things.

00:39:16.660 And so you're like, well, dude, I remember being ashamed of myself when I didn't have

00:39:20.400 anything and being ashamed of myself when I did have something.

00:39:22.800 But it was really crazy.

00:39:23.680 It was like, I tried to hide, always mask my life because I didn't want people thinking

00:39:28.260 that, seeing that I didn't have anything or that I didn't feel like I was anything.

00:39:32.060 And then even when I got a house in Nashville, it's a nice home.

00:39:35.560 It's not like, you know, some crazy, it's a, it's a nice home, but it's not like a billion

00:39:39.760 dollar home or anything.

00:39:41.100 But, um, I didn't want to show people my living.

00:39:43.540 I just didn't want them to see like, you know, I don't know.

00:39:46.820 It's just fucking crazy.

00:39:47.680 It was like, so in the end there was some part of me that would just didn't want to

00:39:50.560 be that either only cared about what you thought or just didn't want to be happy for myself

00:39:55.440 no matter what.

00:39:56.200 And then you can never feel comfortable no matter where you are in this, in this journey,

00:40:00.540 man.

00:40:00.820 It's, and that's, I guess, what is, what would they say that that comes down to like self

00:40:04.560 acceptance?

00:40:05.240 It's like, once you accept it, like you, you should be entitled to your success and you work

00:40:09.300 hard for it, then you're not as dependent on like the validation of others.

00:40:13.480 I know, but, um, it's hard to get away from that.

00:40:16.420 I think, I don't know if it's hard.

00:40:17.540 Some things like doing ayahuasca, that kind of stuff has helped a lot of that stuff go

00:40:20.480 away though.

00:40:21.140 Yeah.

00:40:21.500 That kind of stuff's been, um, you've done that a few times.

00:40:24.220 Oh yeah.

00:40:24.820 Yeah.

00:40:25.680 I like it, dude.

00:40:26.660 Really?

00:40:26.960 Yeah.

00:40:27.120 You do it enough times.

00:40:27.820 They give you this jacket.

00:40:29.660 Oh yeah.

00:40:30.400 I'm definitely.

00:40:31.240 Some guy walks out of the jungle in Costa Rica.

00:40:34.440 Jaqueta.

00:40:35.000 Para ti.

00:40:36.920 You get a punch card.

00:40:39.200 Before the ayahuasca trip, you get an equals, a letterman jacket.

00:40:44.200 That is so ridiculous, dude.

00:40:46.000 That is cool.

00:40:46.660 You know who told me?

00:40:47.320 Neil told me that, uh.

00:40:48.480 Oh yeah.

00:40:49.180 Neil Brennan became the, he became like this connector.

00:40:52.500 Go on.

00:40:52.900 But no, I think that's kind of what it is.

00:40:54.560 Like, you know, Neil is, uh, one of his superpowers is his, uh, cynicism.

00:40:59.140 You know, like he's constantly consumed.

00:41:01.680 I hope he doesn't mind me saying this, but he's constantly consumed of like what the worst

00:41:05.520 case scenario of something would be or what the worst, what the worst person would think

00:41:10.420 about the thing he's doing.

00:41:12.240 And, um, what's, what's good about that is like when you're creating stuff, you, there's

00:41:16.200 a, there's an advantage in that you're always thinking about what your biggest critic could

00:41:20.140 say.

00:41:20.520 So maybe you really try to sharpen every premise and sharpen every joke and make sure

00:41:23.640 there's no fat and it's like infallible.

00:41:25.640 And the negative aspect about that is that like, if you're just creating for them, it's

00:41:30.320 hard to create something authentically.

00:41:31.900 And then he said, he was like, listen, after I did that, like that voice started to dim

00:41:36.880 a bit.

00:41:37.780 And like, I didn't have, I wasn't constantly consumed with the critic and I was able to

00:41:42.580 make, I think my best shit.

00:41:44.560 And I think that's true.

00:41:45.400 It's like, it's hard to create authentically when you're worried about what critics would

00:41:51.440 say, like you're just making shit for them, you know?

00:41:54.200 Like for somebody, especially when your whole life, you've only tried to, you've gained a

00:41:59.300 lot of your acceptance from other people.

00:42:01.000 Yeah.

00:42:01.420 You know, I think that's probably been a lot of my life, but I didn't even know who I

00:42:04.420 was.

00:42:04.960 There wasn't a me.

00:42:05.740 So the only thing there was, was your reaction.

00:42:07.840 Yeah.

00:42:08.540 So I didn't fucking.

00:42:09.860 Do you think you found yourself?

00:42:11.020 I think it's gotten better as I've gotten older.

00:42:12.800 I think some of it is getting older.

00:42:14.640 You just kind of like, I can't even fucking whoever you are, motherfucker.

00:42:18.140 We got to come out.

00:42:19.500 We ain't got a lot of time left, bro.

00:42:21.100 You've been hiding for 40 years.

00:42:23.720 My boy ain't like, enjoy some of this shit.

00:42:25.740 We got a new jacket.

00:42:27.720 Yeah.

00:42:28.040 Yeah.

00:42:28.520 Hey, bro.

00:42:29.940 Hey man, come on out, man.

00:42:31.220 We got to, we got to figure this shit out, Tom.

00:42:34.380 You just getting tired of it?

00:42:36.100 You just kidding.

00:42:36.940 That's funny.

00:42:38.120 That's great, dude.

00:42:39.880 Yeah.

00:42:40.340 So I don't know.

00:42:40.900 But I think also you just get older and you're like, there's just no, you're whatever

00:42:43.780 part of you that still cares about that shit starts to go away.

00:42:46.400 I think it's just exhausted too, chasing its tail kind of.

00:42:50.040 Maybe that's the, maybe that's the release for you with something like ayahuasca where

00:42:53.800 instead of like constantly searching for what it is and who you are, you do feel connected

00:42:59.420 to whatever this greater existence is.

00:43:02.360 And you just get to go, okay, I'm not going to fucking worry all day about what exactly

00:43:06.560 I am and what I don't have and just be this, you know, bottomless pit that a lot of us

00:43:11.180 in entertainment can be like there is, and maybe that's what you need.

00:43:14.640 Maybe you need that reminder.

00:43:16.560 Yeah.

00:43:17.020 Maybe you need that reminder you're part of something bigger.

00:43:19.700 Yeah.

00:43:20.040 I think that, uh, that's a good point.

00:43:21.580 Cause once you feel like you're part of something bigger, there's some connection, then you kind

00:43:25.500 of don't just think about yourself.

00:43:26.820 You're not as isolated.

00:43:27.640 Yeah.

00:43:27.780 You're not.

00:43:28.200 It's, it's, it's, it's, there's something liberating about knowing things are way bigger

00:43:31.960 than you.

00:43:32.440 Yeah.

00:43:33.140 When it's not bigger than you, it's very easy to get caught in your own head.

00:43:37.160 It's fuck.

00:43:37.980 It's a lot of pressure.

00:43:38.780 I imagine if you're just thinking about you and like how you're being perceived and if

00:43:44.280 you're becoming the man you thought you would be and you know, if you feel comfortable with

00:43:48.060 the success you've had, how other people will react to that success.

00:43:51.340 Oh yeah.

00:43:51.980 That's crippling.

00:43:53.020 That shit.

00:43:53.560 Yeah.

00:43:53.820 There's a lot of stuff that's kind of like scary.

00:43:55.680 I think as you get older, I think you have popularity is kind of scary watching your own

00:43:59.560 ego and being conscious of like, what is your ego and what is just you trying to have some

00:44:04.180 self-confidence in yourself?

00:44:05.320 Especially if some of those things are kind of like, if you're like kind of a late bloomer

00:44:08.220 and some of that shit's happened, you know, can be, happens simultaneously.

00:44:12.140 It's all, yeah.

00:44:13.080 What's an example of that?

00:44:14.420 I mean, even some of the like thinking about, I knew something about politics.

00:44:16.740 It was like just the fact that it took me a couple of weeks to realize, dude, you don't

00:44:20.060 know about fucking politics.

00:44:21.580 Like, yeah, you got to talk to some political people, um, but do, and how much do they really

00:44:27.040 know?

00:44:27.440 And, but it's like, don't, that's a trap, right?

00:44:30.860 What do you know about?

00:44:31.800 You know about like being curious, you know about like wanting to talk to different people, you know

00:44:35.240 about trying to be funny, you know?

00:44:36.520 I think, I think politics is always a reflection of culture.

00:44:39.520 Like politics is downstream from cultural needs and necessities.

00:44:43.800 And I think that one of the things that's made you so successful is I think you're deeply

00:44:48.560 connected to culture.

00:44:49.700 Like you, you're aware of what people are feeling.

00:44:52.020 You're aware of what they're frustrated by.

00:44:54.620 And, um, you know, regardless if there's like data analysis to back up every single one

00:45:00.200 of those claims, like to me, that doesn't mean anything.

00:45:01.880 Like you can list out all the facts you fucking want, but like you're aware of people's

00:45:05.940 frustrations and, um, politicians have to react to that.

00:45:10.000 So you don't need to know like what fucking Senator is pushing what bill.

00:45:14.200 Cause they're all reacting to the thing that you're more acutely aware of probably than

00:45:18.560 even them.

00:45:20.240 Yeah.

00:45:20.740 Yeah.

00:45:20.960 I guess it like, you can't be a comedian if, or at least a high performing comedian,

00:45:25.420 if you're not in touch with like what people are feeling.

00:45:28.500 Yeah.

00:45:28.900 Like I, at his core, I think that's really what makes somebody a good comic.

00:45:33.440 It's like, yeah.

00:45:33.940 And how to stay like, just how to like stay in, stay connected to that type of thing.

00:45:37.260 I guess, you know?

00:45:38.600 Um, and sometimes with success, it's harder to connect to it.

00:45:42.000 And it's also harder for them to connect to you.

00:45:44.560 That's probably why you want to hide the house in Nashville.

00:45:46.980 You're like, fuck, well, they feel like they can't relate to me because of this new life

00:45:50.800 I live.

00:45:51.740 I'm what that, that, that's something that like, so I grew up in New York city.

00:45:55.260 Right.

00:45:55.520 And like in the city grew up, yeah, I grew up in Manhattan.

00:45:58.440 And, uh, one of the things about growing up in Manhattan, it's incredibly humbling.

00:46:03.900 Like you never feel, you weren't in the newsies.

00:46:06.500 You weren't in the newsies.

00:46:07.300 I was in newsies.

00:46:08.020 Were you really?

00:46:08.580 No.

00:46:09.220 I was in newsies.

00:46:11.640 Did people ask you that before?

00:46:13.040 No, no.

00:46:13.620 You're the first person.

00:46:14.140 Oh, I'm sorry, dude.

00:46:14.880 I can't remember when that was, but I love that movie.

00:46:17.320 Good little movie.

00:46:18.160 I think Christian Bale was in that shit.

00:46:19.500 Yeah.

00:46:19.880 Yeah.

00:46:20.040 Yeah.

00:46:20.160 Yeah.

00:46:20.400 Crutchy, that little guy.

00:46:22.240 He's like, give me the paper.

00:46:23.300 So fucking, that was my childhood.

00:46:25.660 Just saying fucking bullshit.

00:46:28.020 You got a fucking kid on one crutch.

00:46:30.460 Hiking through fucking.

00:46:31.720 Selling to sell the newspapers.

00:46:32.880 Hiking up the LIC with a fucking sack of newspapers, dude.

00:46:37.420 L-I-E.

00:46:38.120 L-I-E.

00:46:38.720 The L-I-E with a sack of newspapers, man.

00:46:41.260 But anyway, like you just humble constantly.

00:46:42.840 You never feel like you got money.

00:46:44.440 There's always somebody way richer.

00:46:45.820 There's always somebody with a way better job.

00:46:47.640 There's always somebody with a better career.

00:46:48.600 Like, because you're in the city where the most successful of all the people have.

00:46:52.760 So you never feel like, you never feel this, this concern that you were talking about, which

00:46:58.300 is like, oh, if I show this nice thing I have, people will think that I'm, I consider myself

00:47:04.180 better than them or something.

00:47:05.600 If you grow up in New York, you never feel that way because there's always someone so

00:47:11.000 much higher than you.

00:47:12.440 You know what I mean?

00:47:12.940 There's always some so much more wealthy.

00:47:14.520 So it's just this, there's like a hustle mentality, which is like, I'm going to work really fucking

00:47:18.760 hard for as long as I possibly can.

00:47:21.900 And I'm going to try to get some nice shit, but I'm going to earn it.

00:47:24.800 I'm not going to just have it handed to me.

00:47:26.300 I'm going to fucking bust my ass.

00:47:27.820 But when I do get it, I don't feel guilty about it because it ain't even as close as nice

00:47:32.500 as the guy who lives three blocks that way.

00:47:34.400 So, but I, I understand like my mom's from Scotland, like fucking, you know, comes from

00:47:40.160 nothing.

00:47:40.960 There's that sentiment of like you getting something nice.

00:47:44.300 The community could feel like, oh, do you think you're, you think you're better than

00:47:48.140 us now?

00:47:48.520 Cause you got this fancy house.

00:47:49.860 Oh yeah.

00:47:50.280 When I was a kid, like if somebody could read, people would call him a f***er.

00:47:53.240 You know, like if you got, if somebody brought home a B on our bus, dude, it f***ing, you

00:48:02.080 were just a, just a f***ing sick homosexual, you know, you f***ing, yeah, they would beat

00:48:08.740 you up.

00:48:09.520 I mean, they would let people ride home on our bus with no shirts on.

00:48:11.800 And I'm like, and yeah, I'm like, well, why don't people have to have shirts on or whatever?

00:48:15.000 But it was just like, yeah, it was just, yeah, I don't know.

00:48:17.980 It's tough.

00:48:18.520 You want to kind of stay like, I don't know, as your life changes and as you get over, things

00:48:22.660 change, your life gets bigger and you kind of sometimes want to just stay the same.

00:48:26.500 Like, I think there's parts of moments in my life that I really miss where I was real

00:48:30.120 comfortable.

00:48:30.860 And I think as your life changes, sometimes it probably is like a new space.

00:48:35.440 What's it been like for you having a child since I know a lot of your special was about

00:48:38.540 it.

00:48:38.860 Like the greatest, was that something that took away a lot of that?

00:48:41.240 Just worrying about yourself type of thing.

00:48:42.900 I mean, did it really, or you just, was that something that people just say?

00:48:46.280 I'm glad that you asked that second question, but the weird thing about having a kid

00:48:51.220 is it, it is literally every cliche that anybody has ever said.

00:48:55.100 All right.

00:48:55.300 That's a little Shiloh.

00:48:56.480 Dang, huh?

00:48:57.500 Little cutie.

00:48:58.760 Wow.

00:48:59.160 At the beach, rich, huh?

00:49:00.520 What UFC fighter does she look like?

00:49:02.380 Oh, no.

00:49:03.140 Hold on.

00:49:03.700 Don't do it.

00:49:04.780 Huh?

00:49:05.180 Don't do it.

00:49:06.320 I think we got to do it.

00:49:07.220 He's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good,

00:49:08.860 But for your wife, you have to say that.

00:49:10.760 She, she, she, she, she, she, she, and this is, Nick, you know who it is.

00:49:13.940 He's got a fight coming up.

00:49:15.160 Michael Chandler.

00:49:16.960 A little, but he's fighting Volkanovsky.

00:49:20.220 Oh, oh, Diego Lopez?

00:49:21.720 A little bit.

00:49:22.360 Oh, my God.

00:49:23.420 He's a pretty motherfucker.

00:49:24.520 I'll take that one.

00:49:25.340 That's a compliment.

00:49:26.120 That was acceptable.

00:49:27.080 That's got to be a new segment on the Theobard Podcast.

00:49:30.360 What?

00:49:31.260 Yo, yo, yo, he's good.

00:49:33.180 He's good.

00:49:33.600 He's good.

00:49:35.040 Oh.

00:49:36.240 That's pretty cute, man.

00:49:37.560 Oh, little cutie.

00:49:38.320 I don't, I don't, I don't want, I don't want him to hear me say that.

00:49:42.760 But there's something very charming about him.

00:49:45.000 She's a beautiful young lady.

00:49:46.540 That's going to be a great fight.

00:49:47.640 Shout out Volk, too, man.

00:49:48.620 That is a, I think that is an exciting fight, huh?

00:49:51.040 Yeah.

00:49:51.320 Seeing Volkanovsky sing the other night about that shit was so fun.

00:49:53.680 Oh, you got a little voice, bro.

00:49:54.620 I know.

00:49:55.140 He's got a good voice.

00:49:55.780 And it's just fun to see his, like, it's so great, I think, if fighters are around long

00:49:59.860 enough where you get to see their personalities.

00:50:01.920 Of course.

00:50:02.020 You know, like, they used to only have to just be so tough, and now they can do that, but

00:50:06.920 also, like, have a bit of showmanship, you know?

00:50:09.060 Yeah, we want to connect to them.

00:50:10.180 Yeah.

00:50:10.540 But I will, you know, back to the kid.

00:50:11.900 Back to the kid, yeah, man.

00:50:12.700 It's every cliche you've ever heard, times a thousand.

00:50:15.320 Like, and it's, there's a reason why that exists, I imagine.

00:50:18.860 It's like, we all should have this reaction towards children, right?

00:50:21.380 Like, their smile is the best smile.

00:50:22.800 Their laugh is the best laugh.

00:50:24.060 It's the most incredible experience you've ever had in your life.

00:50:26.000 Like, and there's a little part of you as, like, a comedian that goes, you know, oh,

00:50:29.520 I'm going to have these unique takes on being a father.

00:50:32.220 And it is, your takes are so similar to every other person who's ever been a dad, which is,

00:50:37.540 which is now I see as a beautiful thing.

00:50:39.580 Right.

00:50:40.000 But, yeah, your life gets really small.

00:50:42.460 I can only speak for myself, but, like, I just don't care as much about other things.

00:50:46.420 You know, like, I want to spend time with her.

00:50:49.120 I want to spend time with my wife.

00:50:50.740 And I, as long as they're proud of me and happy with me, that's enough.

00:50:54.440 Right.

00:50:54.700 Anything else is, it's icing on the cake.

00:50:58.540 It feels really good.

00:50:59.840 Like, the response to the special feels really good.

00:51:02.320 It's, like, amazing.

00:51:03.160 Like, all these people who went through IVF and had a similar journey as us to, like,

00:51:06.840 get pregnant, like, they're talking about it, like, feels really good.

00:51:11.520 Yeah.

00:51:12.060 But I'll tell you one thing, as long as, like, my wife and baby are happy with me,

00:51:16.940 like, that's, it is an amazing, I hope you experience it, man,

00:51:21.800 if that's something that you'd like to experience.

00:51:23.400 Yeah, I would like to have that, man.

00:51:25.400 It's cool to hear a parent say that, too, you know?

00:51:27.660 I think that, like, it's nice to hear a parent say those things about their family.

00:51:32.380 It's so cool, man.

00:51:34.780 It is, also, you'll watch her, like, it's very, very rare in life you get to see somebody give 100%.

00:51:41.280 Like, really 100%.

00:51:43.500 And, like, when you watch them in labor, it's 100%.

00:51:47.140 Really?

00:51:48.060 It's just they're giving everything they possibly can give.

00:51:51.180 What happens if they just do 80% or whatever, 60% or...

00:51:53.880 That baby stays in there, bro.

00:51:55.360 Like, we had to do a C-section.

00:51:57.360 We.

00:51:57.860 My wife had to do a C-section, obviously.

00:51:59.720 It was, like, I didn't do anything.

00:52:00.980 I just sat there like an asshole.

00:52:02.580 And, but it was, but yeah, it's just amazing what they're willing to do.

00:52:06.800 Like, my wife lost a lot of blood and, like...

00:52:10.020 Like 50 cent, almost.

00:52:11.480 Literally, it was, yeah.

00:52:17.100 It's very similar, actually, to what 50 went through.

00:52:20.100 I got to talk to 50 about that.

00:52:21.760 I was like, dude, you basically got a C-section out there in Jamaica, Queens, bro.

00:52:25.080 We talk about that?

00:52:25.920 Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 50 C.

00:52:30.400 50 C's good.

00:52:32.180 He's fucking good.

00:52:33.660 No, but, but, bro, it was like, she had no energy left.

00:52:36.700 She had no blood in her system left.

00:52:37.760 And they ask her, they're like, can you do a little breastfeeding for the baby?

00:52:40.900 Because she needs to eat right now.

00:52:42.020 And then they're like, if you don't have energy, that's fine.

00:52:44.300 She breastfeeds the baby.

00:52:45.460 The second the baby pulls off, this is, like, after, I don't know how long it is.

00:52:49.420 She goes, my wife's like, is she good?

00:52:51.760 And the doctor goes, yeah, she's good.

00:52:53.400 And the second the doctor takes her off, she just closes her eyes and passes out.

00:52:56.700 But it's like, there's this, like, primal urge to do anything for that.

00:53:00.060 They'll do anything for that baby.

00:53:03.180 And it is, like, yeah, it's a beautiful human experience to watch somebody love something,

00:53:09.420 like, otherworldly love.

00:53:11.720 And, yeah, I think it's a really important part of, if you're lucky enough to be able to do it,

00:53:16.600 it's a really important part of, like, the life experience.

00:53:18.680 It just makes everything, it makes everything small and worthwhile.

00:53:22.540 Wow.

00:53:22.900 Yeah.

00:53:23.380 Yeah.

00:53:24.140 Yeah, dude, that's, yeah, thanks for sharing that, man.

00:53:27.140 Sure.

00:53:28.340 What's it like to see your parents interact with your child?

00:53:34.500 So my dad has dementia.

00:53:36.200 I know he's sick, right?

00:53:37.060 Yeah, he's had dementia for a while now, so it's hard for him.

00:53:39.820 You did the intro to your special.

00:53:41.000 Yeah, that was pretty cool.

00:53:41.760 That was cool, dude.

00:53:42.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:43.200 I was wondering, was that tough for you guys to get him to pull it off, or it was okay?

00:53:45.400 You know, what's interesting is, like, he's, like, we put the, this is, we filmed that, actually,

00:53:49.200 at the early part of the tour.

00:53:50.780 I loved how your special started off with the joke, because it, maybe, it just, like,

00:53:55.060 oh, I'm already having a nice time.

00:53:56.440 Boom.

00:53:56.780 I thought it was a great choice.

00:53:57.640 Y'all made sense.

00:53:58.160 I thought it was one of the best, I thought it was one of the best I'd seen in a while.

00:54:01.980 Thanks, man.

00:54:02.960 Yeah, it was cool to, yeah, the first one we were thinking about, we're like, should

00:54:06.220 we just start the joke?

00:54:06.900 And then, like, the first thing is, I think I go, you guys want to hear my favorite New

00:54:12.200 York joke?

00:54:13.260 And we could have just cut that line, but there was part of me that went, like, if I'm just

00:54:19.100 hanging out with friends and I go, yo, I got a good joke, you guys, my friends or anybody

00:54:24.440 else in that group will go, yeah, I like hearing a good joke.

00:54:27.480 Like, this is why I'm tuning into a special.

00:54:29.280 Like, sometimes I feel like the first joke you tell on stage is the most inauthentic

00:54:33.580 because it's like, hey, we're going to do this thing where I talk and you guys just listen.

00:54:38.340 And once we get into it, it will all make sense.

00:54:41.220 But the first 30 seconds or a minute of it is inauthentic in a way, unless I honestly

00:54:48.320 tell you, hey, you guys ready?

00:54:50.700 Yeah.

00:54:50.960 I'm going to tell you a joke.

00:54:52.260 Yeah.

00:54:53.000 Does that make sense why I'm trying to communicate?

00:54:55.040 I've never thought about that before.

00:54:56.320 Or, yeah, there's this kind of moment where everybody pretends, like, they don't know

00:55:00.800 you're about to tell us.

00:55:01.660 Like, they kind of, like, there's this weird moment in the beginning.

00:55:03.980 We have to suspend disbelief or whatever it is.

00:55:06.180 Like, what's he going to do?

00:55:07.200 We know what we're going to do.

00:55:08.220 Juggle or, yeah, remodel the building?

00:55:13.820 So, I don't know.

00:55:14.640 I was like, how do I just make it feel, like, authentic or natural or whatever?

00:55:18.960 And, but yeah, but having my dad do it, the intro is just the coolest fucking thing.

00:55:24.140 And, uh, how many takes do you have to do with dementia?

00:55:26.600 How many, how, what is that?

00:55:27.560 So that we did a, I mean, he was able to, he was able to knock it out, but we tell him

00:55:32.000 the line right before every single time.

00:55:33.640 Yeah.

00:55:34.140 You know, just give it up for my son, Andrew Schultz.

00:55:35.960 Like, and it's, he goes and says it and you could really feel him.

00:55:38.960 It was like really beautiful.

00:55:39.780 I'll probably get emotional.

00:55:40.660 But, but he was like really, he really wanted to do it, you know?

00:55:43.660 Yeah.

00:55:43.900 And like, he was, he's been a great father.

00:55:45.800 So it's like, and, uh, he's like trying to remember it, you know?

00:55:49.380 And like, yeah, it was just really, yeah, he, yeah, yeah, it was cool.

00:55:54.040 That's awesome, man.

00:55:55.000 It makes me sad.

00:55:55.780 Kind of not sad, but it makes me, no, it's beautiful.

00:55:57.960 Yeah.

00:55:58.100 It's something that's real.

00:55:59.000 It's, it's beautiful.

00:56:00.020 Cause he really, oh dude, right.

00:56:03.440 When I saw that, cause I remember seeing the video that you shared about him when you're

00:56:05.900 going to play Madison square garden.

00:56:06.920 Yeah.

00:56:07.200 Yeah.

00:56:07.520 And it was like, that was like something that everybody could relate to.

00:56:10.200 And yeah, when I saw it, it was like, cause yeah, I don't know.

00:56:12.720 He was, he was, I keep saying was, which is fucked up, but like he had a, he had a really

00:56:18.920 shitty dad that like, wasn't there for him at all.

00:56:22.460 And, uh, he didn't have me until like late, but he like, he never said this, but like he

00:56:28.740 made a decision that he was not going to let that happen again.

00:56:31.960 And he was just like, he was just there for everything.

00:56:35.920 Like every, I don't know what it's like to not have a dad there for everything, which

00:56:40.180 is an amazing privilege.

00:56:41.020 Don't get me wrong.

00:56:41.660 But like, it was just so important to him to like, oh, let's go throw a base.

00:56:47.120 Let's play some basketball.

00:56:47.860 Like whatever you want.

00:56:48.860 I need help with homework.

00:56:49.660 Like whatever it is.

00:56:51.080 And, um, and I, you know, he has his dimension.

00:56:54.740 I feel like every time I see him, I just like, I, I just hope he knows that he was incredible

00:57:01.140 and like, it's that I'm nowhere close to where I am without that.

00:57:05.460 Right.

00:57:05.980 Like all my confidence comes from him.

00:57:08.560 Wow.

00:57:08.960 You know, like every bit of like self-belief, like anything is just, there's this guy who

00:57:13.120 has believed him.

00:57:13.760 Yeah.

00:57:13.920 Is there a part of you?

00:57:14.520 Like as, so as dementia, some, I guess someone's like, so who someone is starts to kind of

00:57:19.080 disappear a little bit.

00:57:20.080 Is that a fair way to say it or not?

00:57:21.780 I would say like your short-term memory goes away.

00:57:24.520 So I guess memory is broken up into long-term memory and short-term and for someone to get

00:57:28.620 into long-term, it just needs to be repeated.

00:57:30.780 So he has his long-term memory.

00:57:32.760 He like knows the map of New York.

00:57:34.480 He can like go around the city, but he might forget like what he's going to do.

00:57:38.240 Right.

00:57:38.560 But he knows how to get home.

00:57:40.300 But if we took him to Florida, he wouldn't really know how to get around.

00:57:43.260 Right.

00:57:43.780 And then short-term, it's like, he doesn't really know, you know, he'll have a conversation

00:57:48.160 with you and then he'll kind of forget.

00:57:50.340 He'll bring it back up.

00:57:51.100 He has like a few things that he'll like talk about.

00:57:53.420 But I will say that like, you know, the concern is when this happens is that like something

00:58:00.640 underneath is, is bitter and angry.

00:58:02.800 And like, he just becomes this like resentful human being, but he's pure, man.

00:58:06.800 Like he's just a pure, like loving, good soul.

00:58:09.700 So he gets to find out every time I see him that he has a granddaughter.

00:58:14.300 And like, that's pretty awesome.

00:58:16.420 Like, you know, like, like, so there is a, like, if there's a little positive perspective

00:58:20.780 that you can, all you can do is change perspective on shit.

00:58:23.700 So like, I could tell him every single time, it's like, yeah, I got to talk.

00:58:26.060 He's like, what?

00:58:26.820 Oh my God.

00:58:27.940 What's that like?

00:58:28.700 You know?

00:58:29.080 And like, so that's cool to tell him.

00:58:31.240 Yeah.

00:58:31.620 Yeah.

00:58:31.960 That's gotta be super cool.

00:58:33.440 Yeah, it is.

00:58:34.100 Is there, is there any fear that like, as a part of him, like that the part of him inside

00:58:38.480 that will, will forget that you care about him?

00:58:40.880 Is that, is that like, does that make any sense?

00:58:42.640 I, I, my, the fear is that I haven't communicated to him enough, enough how incredible a job he

00:58:48.900 did.

00:58:49.280 And I don't even know if that's important to him.

00:58:51.500 Right.

00:58:51.900 Cause I don't think for you to know it.

00:58:53.080 Yeah.

00:58:53.460 Like it's important to me that he knows that he's the goat and like, he might not know that

00:59:00.000 like he's, and it's interesting.

00:59:02.120 It's so interesting.

00:59:02.900 Like, yeah.

00:59:04.980 Like it's, uh, yeah.

00:59:06.760 It's just so interesting.

00:59:07.560 Yeah.

00:59:08.040 Yeah.

00:59:08.280 It's like, you just want them to know.

00:59:10.660 Yeah.

00:59:10.920 But, but, but then I realized now after having a kid, like before I had a kid, I thought

00:59:16.060 he was doing everything just for me.

00:59:18.440 Like he was, he was doing things that he might not actually want to do, but he's like, I'm

00:59:22.000 going to be there for my kid.

00:59:23.240 And now that I have a kid, you get so much joy.

00:59:26.620 Oh, you realize, oh, he was.

00:59:27.900 Bro, it's, it's this beautiful relationship where like you could selfishly be a good dad.

00:59:32.660 Like taking my kid to the museum of natural history the other day was more fun for me than

00:59:37.200 her.

00:59:37.580 Yeah.

00:59:37.980 Watching her look at a woolly mammoth, you know, like, and just have her fucking mind

00:59:42.460 blown.

00:59:43.160 You know, she just, she's looking at this.

00:59:45.180 She's looking back at me.

00:59:46.020 She's like, what the fuck is this?

00:59:48.380 Like, and it was just, and I'm like, we got to go to the museum every week.

00:59:51.400 Like whatever.

00:59:52.140 There is this beautiful where, where like your selfishness benefits your kid.

00:59:57.680 Ah.

00:59:58.200 If maybe if you have a healthy relationship, I know there's like unhealthy shit.

01:00:01.100 Right.

01:00:01.280 Right.

01:00:01.540 Right.

01:00:01.560 Too.

01:00:02.320 But I think I see what you're saying.

01:00:03.440 And so then it's like, now it's like, there's no way he couldn't ever know how much I care

01:00:07.320 about him because it almost doesn't even matter.

01:00:09.160 Cause he cares about me so much as a dad, you care about your kids so much that as long

01:00:14.080 as they're okay, that's then everything else is it.

01:00:16.880 You would hope.

01:00:17.280 Like, is that kind of what you're saying a little bit?

01:00:18.640 Yeah.

01:00:18.700 You would hope.

01:00:19.360 I mean, I mean, again, I know there's a lot of instances it's not the case.

01:00:22.460 Yeah.

01:00:22.660 But I mean, yeah, I would just, yeah, I would hope, I would, I hope that's the case.

01:00:27.320 Like he battled with depression a lot, you know, like my, my family's got a lot of mental

01:00:30.440 illness in it.

01:00:31.120 Right.

01:00:31.280 Oh yeah.

01:00:31.760 So like, uh, so he battled with depression a lot.

01:00:34.300 And, um, so it was just, you know, like you don't know what to do when you're a kid

01:00:38.500 about that.

01:00:38.780 Like I used to take him to the comedy cellar before I ever did comedy.

01:00:41.440 I was like, I thought that like, if you laugh, you're not depressed.

01:00:43.740 Like that's how I thought it worked.

01:00:45.500 So I'd take my depressed ass dad to the comedy cellar.

01:00:48.420 Little did I know he's just listening to depressed comedians.

01:00:51.100 He's probably getting more depressed.

01:00:52.240 So like, he's, he's, he's struggling with his life.

01:00:57.080 He got to listen.

01:00:58.180 He got to listen to these sad ass comedians on stage talking about how shitty their life

01:01:03.260 saw.

01:01:03.900 He's like, this kid is going to kill me.

01:01:07.320 But Hey, if it makes his son happy, he's doing it for me.

01:01:12.160 He's doing it for me.

01:01:14.400 Damn near almost killed himself.

01:01:16.580 Half the comedians.

01:01:17.820 You're doing it for him and he's doing it for you.

01:01:20.500 That's fucking hilarious, dude.

01:01:23.420 Yeah.

01:01:23.880 He's like, he's fucking sitting there.

01:01:25.800 He's fucking just rubbing over.

01:01:28.360 Drinking a pole in spring.

01:01:29.740 Just looking for the vein.

01:01:33.100 So, but yeah, it's just, you don't know.

01:01:35.840 Dude, what a fascinating thing that he's doing it.

01:01:38.080 That, that, that would, what a unique way to think of a crossroads of a father and son

01:01:41.920 that he's doing it for me and I'm doing it for him.

01:01:44.260 That's kind of fascinating.

01:01:45.540 You don't know.

01:01:46.160 Like, you just don't know how it works when you're, when you're younger.

01:01:49.320 Like, I don't, he don't even know like the effects of depression or these types of things.

01:01:54.160 Especially in his, in his era, like 20 years ago, he had no idea.

01:01:56.480 Even 30 years ago.

01:01:57.280 He had no idea.

01:01:58.360 You're just like, oh, Rod needs to fucking sit in the car by himself.

01:02:02.240 My dad would go sit in the car by himself for a couple hours.

01:02:05.600 I love it.

01:02:06.280 I love it.

01:02:07.620 And my mom would just be like, well, if you get out of your fucking car, like he wants

01:02:11.500 to be out there sitting out there by himself.

01:02:14.260 The men in our town used to park their trucks behind the Winn-Dixie and cry back there sometimes.

01:02:20.220 And you'd see him just fucking, you know, you'd see a guy open his car doors to let

01:02:24.100 a bunch of tears fall out and then close it back.

01:02:26.620 Like, it was fucking.

01:02:28.000 Yo, there is bravery to that though.

01:02:29.920 That, that's the thing that like, I think we look back at that generation who was really

01:02:34.280 trying to figure out how to deal with their mental health and they stiff upper lipped it.

01:02:40.240 And I think a lot of times we go, oh, they just ignored the problems.

01:02:42.580 It's like, no, no, no, you can't ignore depression.

01:02:44.620 It's not something you could ignore.

01:02:46.360 You know what I mean?

01:02:47.180 It's there.

01:02:48.120 And what they did is they said, you know what?

01:02:50.740 I'm going to go to my fucking car and I'm going to cry and I'm going to get back and

01:02:54.680 I'm going to be a dad.

01:02:55.540 I'm going to be a husband and I'm going to take care of his family.

01:02:58.060 And it's like.

01:02:58.560 And I'm going to get my fucking son a Pistons jersey.

01:03:01.520 Exactly.

01:03:02.480 Exactly.

01:03:03.880 And you're not even a Pistons fan.

01:03:05.340 Like, that's depressing too.

01:03:07.380 You want it so badly for this kid to be a Knicks fan.

01:03:09.720 This motherfucker likes the team in Detroit.

01:03:12.780 In a lame beard jersey.

01:03:17.100 Yeah.

01:03:18.120 Yeah.

01:03:18.600 It's.

01:03:19.780 I'm glad you can have all that, dude.

01:03:21.400 That's super cool.

01:03:22.780 Yeah, it is.

01:03:23.260 It is really cool, man.

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01:06:41.400 Yeah, just to add another universe to your life.

01:06:43.380 Does it make you look at your wife different?

01:06:45.300 Does a wife, does a girlfriend or a wife become different once they're a mother?

01:06:49.840 Does something like, or what's that kind of like?

01:06:51.560 100%.

01:06:52.000 Yeah.

01:06:52.380 You also, like, you realize, like, here's something I realize is I would always call my wife when I know that the baby's waking up from a nap.

01:07:01.180 Let's say I'm at the studio or something like that.

01:07:02.740 And I call, you know, and she knows I'm calling to see Shiloh, right?

01:07:08.780 And once I called my wife and then she was coming back from, like, a workout class or something.

01:07:13.920 And she was like, oh, I'm not home yet, so I'm not with Shiloh.

01:07:18.180 And my heart sunk because I was like, oh, fuck.

01:07:21.880 Like, you don't even think I call for you anymore.

01:07:24.980 So in my effort, you know, to just, like, connect with my daughter in every possible way I can, I am forgetting about my, connecting with my wife sometimes.

01:07:35.200 And your wife doesn't want to be angry at you for that because she's like, thank God I have a dad who's so committed and just in love with the kid.

01:07:41.920 But you can't forget about them.

01:07:43.540 Right.

01:07:43.860 So it's like this constant adjustment.

01:07:45.320 You go, okay, all right, I got to put.

01:07:47.020 Like, hey, Shiloh, is your mom home?

01:07:48.640 That kind of thing.

01:07:49.300 Yeah, I got to call Shiloh.

01:07:50.460 Yeah.

01:07:50.880 I got to go on the nan it.

01:07:53.400 Yeah.

01:07:53.580 I got to call.

01:07:54.480 I got two phones.

01:07:56.480 Yeah, you got to put some Kevin Gates in the freaking, when they're nursing, dude.

01:08:01.860 Shiloh has a little phone.

01:08:02.160 You're the most interesting man in America.

01:08:04.020 You spin Kevin Gates' bars.

01:08:05.460 Shiloh has a little phone.

01:08:06.760 She's like, hey, mom, it's right here.

01:08:09.640 Oh, you don't want to talk to me?

01:08:11.860 Yeah, she starts getting like, she gives me the attitude.

01:08:15.180 No, you can't win.

01:08:16.220 You just want to talk to this old bitch.

01:08:20.260 So, yeah, you got to do that, dude.

01:08:21.820 Oh, damn, dude.

01:08:22.700 Yeah, that's crazy.

01:08:24.120 Yeah, it's wild.

01:08:24.860 Wow, dude.

01:08:25.600 What a neat journey.

01:08:26.660 And I was just impressing your special.

01:08:28.360 Like, you're just going, it's like, you know, when I first watched you, you were such a power.

01:08:33.080 I remember the first time I ever saw you at the Black Baby, or what's it called?

01:08:36.260 The one that's next door to the comedy store?

01:08:37.880 Fat Black Pussycat.

01:08:38.880 Fat Black Pussycat, right?

01:08:41.160 Village Underground, maybe?

01:08:42.120 Maybe that one?

01:08:43.040 Yeah, it was one that kind of has the tears in it, a little bit.

01:08:46.060 Yeah, yeah, Village Underground, yeah, yeah.

01:08:47.880 But, dude, I was like, I'd never seen, I was like, oh, my God.

01:08:50.620 And I had to go up after you, dude, and it was so fucking scary.

01:08:53.360 And I was like, just kidding.

01:08:53.720 I'm sure you killed that shit.

01:08:54.980 I did, okay.

01:08:55.620 But, dude, then this is so, and that was great.

01:08:57.780 I mean, but that was just like, I mean, that was probably 10 years ago, too.

01:09:00.320 Yeah, yeah.

01:09:00.580 But then, yeah, this was just so, like, taking me through this story and the journey, and

01:09:05.580 it was, I don't know, it was cool to see.

01:09:07.740 It felt like grown up a little bit.

01:09:10.660 Yeah, it's just different.

01:09:11.380 Like, I'd never been personal in my comedy.

01:09:13.340 I didn't even think my life was interesting.

01:09:15.100 So I was like, yeah, I was like, I thought my opinions on shit were more interesting than

01:09:19.140 my life.

01:09:19.560 So I was like, I don't need to tell you about what's going on in my life.

01:09:22.520 And then this thing happened where, you know, we couldn't get pregnant, and it was because

01:09:27.440 of me.

01:09:27.960 My sperm sucked.

01:09:28.780 No way.

01:09:29.360 Oh, yeah.

01:09:29.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:31.020 So my sperm.

01:09:31.360 What happens?

01:09:31.980 You take them in with them.

01:09:32.400 I'm the face of shitty sperm, bro.

01:09:34.220 Oh.

01:09:36.040 Hang on, dude.

01:09:37.460 You felt bad for a second, and you're like, hold on.

01:09:39.740 Yeah, I think, yeah.

01:09:41.160 Well, it's just crazy, because you have that, like, spice trader energy, you know what I'm

01:09:45.840 saying?

01:09:46.580 Yo, you want to know some crazy shit?

01:09:48.700 My boy is a spice trader.

01:09:51.140 This guy I play paddle with, all right?

01:09:53.300 This is my boy.

01:09:53.900 We call him Spice Man.

01:09:55.040 We legit thought he was a drug dealer for so long, because he says, like, I'm a spice trader.

01:09:58.980 Like, he makes little jokes about it that he's not joking.

01:10:01.920 He'll show up late to a game, and he'll be like, man, Sesame was down crazy today.

01:10:05.480 I couldn't find a place to store it.

01:10:07.040 Damn, boy.

01:10:07.680 And then he'll say-

01:10:08.340 Coriander options.

01:10:09.500 Yes, yes.

01:10:10.360 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:10.760 It's literally like a stock market.

01:10:12.880 Like, he's back and forth from India, so we're like, there's no way this is his real life.

01:10:16.380 Like, he sells fentanyl or cocaine or some shit, right?

01:10:19.000 And he's just saying it's turmeric, right?

01:10:21.460 So, but turns out, this motherfucker is a legit 2025 spice trader.

01:10:28.720 This is like the oldest job ever.

01:10:30.320 We ride here.

01:10:31.920 Yeah, dude, that's it, bro.

01:10:34.420 We ain't going anywhere.

01:10:37.200 We're from the past, baby, yeah.

01:10:39.840 How crazy is that?

01:10:40.860 Shout out to Pete, man.

01:10:41.760 Spicy P.

01:10:42.420 We call it spicy P.

01:10:43.700 Yeah, dude, spicy P.

01:10:45.240 That's great.

01:10:46.340 That'd be a dope-ass job.

01:10:48.700 Just hitting the streets what you want, and you got some fucking-

01:10:51.500 He'll just hit me with random spice facts.

01:10:53.560 Thime, cumin.

01:10:54.660 Yeah, he was like, bro, you can't store the cumin with the turmeric, right?

01:10:57.860 Because one goes old, and I'm like, oh, yeah, of course, bro.

01:11:00.260 That's a huge-

01:11:01.300 That storage shit is crazy out there, you know?

01:11:03.460 Yeah, ten-hour fathers right now.

01:11:05.240 That's crazy.

01:11:06.340 Ten-hour fathers?

01:11:07.200 You can't be doing that, yeah.

01:11:08.240 What does that mean?

01:11:08.860 It's like you confess it in a confessional.

01:11:10.660 You get a punishment?

01:11:11.680 They make you do those punishments or whatever.

01:11:15.520 Oh, dude, you did the wrestling thing.

01:11:17.060 Was that interesting?

01:11:17.940 Oh, that was so cool, man.

01:11:19.220 It's cool.

01:11:19.540 You did a good job.

01:11:20.220 Thanks, bro.

01:11:20.880 It looked-

01:11:21.820 It looked-

01:11:23.080 Was it scary?

01:11:23.780 I thought you were going to get slammed.

01:11:25.480 Yeah, like, yeah.

01:11:26.120 Was that an option?

01:11:26.720 He was about to, uh, I didn't even know it was going to happen.

01:11:29.520 You didn't?

01:11:30.480 No, I didn't know anything was going to happen.

01:11:33.000 I'm just there hanging out, then Logan starts to, you know, get me to try to lie in front

01:11:36.440 of all my people in Madison Square Garden.

01:11:39.540 I want to see AJ stop.

01:11:41.420 That's what I want to do.

01:11:44.180 Let's go.

01:11:47.780 This shit is-

01:11:48.560 Oh, damn.

01:11:50.140 It doesn't look like I'm prepared for that.

01:11:53.560 And his-

01:11:56.480 What's his finishing move?

01:11:57.380 The tax evasion?

01:12:03.280 That's the next move.

01:12:04.200 We got to move to Puerto Rico.

01:12:06.260 The Puerto Rican W-9.

01:12:08.600 That's his fucking finishing move.

01:12:11.540 Oh, my God.

01:12:12.560 Dude, does he sling me?

01:12:13.500 Maybe I didn't see this.

01:12:14.860 No.

01:12:15.000 Oh, Styles coming in.

01:12:15.980 Thank God AJ Styles comes in to save my ass.

01:12:17.740 I'd be toast in front of my wife.

01:12:22.640 Did part of you want a little more smoke after that?

01:12:24.540 Like, was there a little bit inside of you that's like-

01:12:26.260 I need justice, bro.

01:12:27.380 Yeah.

01:12:27.780 I need justice.

01:12:28.560 You can't come do that shit to me in Madison Square Garden.

01:12:31.880 I agree.

01:12:32.200 My home.

01:12:33.060 Talk crazy to me.

01:12:34.360 You know?

01:12:34.740 I need some paper, bro.

01:12:36.640 I need my get back.

01:12:37.400 You know who Aaron the Plumber is?

01:12:39.100 Aaron the Plumber.

01:12:39.780 I think we had him on the podcast, actually.

01:12:41.100 Did you have Aaron on the pod?

01:12:42.420 I think so.

01:12:43.020 Like 20 years ago.

01:12:44.020 Or like four-

01:12:44.700 Yeah, like three years ago, I think.

01:12:45.820 No, no, no, no.

01:12:46.420 This is different Aaron the Plumber.

01:12:48.300 We had Joe the Plumber.

01:12:49.260 Joe.

01:12:49.420 Yeah, Joe the Plumber.

01:12:50.180 You need Aaron the Plumber, bro.

01:12:52.040 This guy's an absolute internet sensation.

01:12:53.020 Joe found a baby in one of the pipes.

01:12:57.120 Joe found an offspring.

01:12:59.220 Wow.

01:12:59.740 In one of the pipes.

01:13:00.740 What is that?

01:13:01.560 Horrible time to say that.

01:13:02.660 No, that's a Patrice joke.

01:13:04.780 It is?

01:13:05.160 He said, I jerk off so much in the shower, I'm surprised the drain ain't pregnant.

01:13:08.480 Oh.

01:13:10.040 Joe is like, it was.

01:13:11.560 Yeah.

01:13:12.500 Joe is like, I think I'm working at your place.

01:13:17.420 No, who's Aaron the Plumber?

01:13:18.780 Oh, dude, this guy's-

01:13:19.620 Cool guy?

01:13:20.160 Oh, my God.

01:13:21.100 He was on this Zeus Network show.

01:13:23.020 Do you know what the Zeus Network is?

01:13:24.620 Uh-uh.

01:13:25.020 Is it like that Stars or whatever, like Ghost Book Phantom, whatever, Seven or whatever?

01:13:29.180 Nah, this is more ratchet, bro.

01:13:31.420 But Aaron the Plumber, you're not qualified.

01:13:33.960 This guy is a certified, hilarious dude.

01:13:36.700 He's an actual certified plumber.

01:13:38.260 Dang, dang.

01:13:38.560 But he's hilarious on this dating show.

01:13:40.420 Mm-hmm.

01:13:40.660 And he was just, you know, he would get in a fight with anybody who pops shit.

01:13:44.880 He's like, all right, let's go.

01:13:45.840 We fight right now.

01:13:47.260 But he's also hysterical.

01:13:48.740 Mm-hmm.

01:13:49.200 And so, yeah, he's just an internet sensation.

01:13:51.820 Love this guy.

01:13:52.680 Dang, yeah, I haven't seen him.

01:13:54.880 I got to check him out.

01:13:56.720 Who did I see recently?

01:13:57.680 Gunno Lavish.

01:13:58.380 Have you seen him?

01:13:58.980 No, who's that?

01:14:00.060 Young kid.

01:14:01.580 He like, he makes me laugh, huh?

01:14:05.860 He's out of Mississippi, man.

01:14:07.540 Gunno Lavish.

01:14:08.620 You can see the text went out of him.

01:14:10.140 Just go to shorts right there.

01:14:13.320 Let's start it over.

01:14:15.260 Is everything going to be okay?

01:14:16.780 It will be okay if you just stay strong.

01:14:21.700 Stay strong, bud nigga.

01:14:24.740 You wondering if everything going to be okay?

01:14:26.860 It will be okay if you just stay strong.

01:14:30.960 Okay, get me one more of it.

01:14:32.500 Get me a, oh, stop being humble, FN, over there.

01:14:35.480 Try that one.

01:14:38.620 You out here being humble when everybody popping that shit.

01:14:41.880 It's time you start popping your shit.

01:14:46.520 Stop being humble for it, nigga.

01:14:50.600 You out here being humble when everybody popping that shit.

01:14:54.020 It's time you start popping your shit.

01:14:57.820 He just made me laugh, man.

01:14:59.800 He's out of Mississippi, man.

01:15:01.300 I just like his thing.

01:15:02.620 He's just somebody I started watching.

01:15:04.200 You know, there's like people you see and they come up and then once you watch them a couple times and you keep having to watch them, you know?

01:15:10.160 I'm obsessed with it.

01:15:10.680 It's crazy, dude.

01:15:11.240 I'm obsessed with Temptation Island, Spain.

01:15:13.740 Really?

01:15:14.380 Yeah.

01:15:14.860 I could see that.

01:15:15.700 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:15:16.760 Yeah?

01:15:16.920 This is the craziest reality show I've ever seen in my entire life.

01:15:20.920 This guy, Montoya.

01:15:21.940 Have you not heard of the Montoya guy?

01:15:24.020 Mm-mm.

01:15:24.520 Oh, my God.

01:15:25.100 It's crazy.

01:15:25.520 So basically, Temptation Island, the idea is you and your girlfriend go to this island and you split up and then they send people to try to fuck you and try to fuck your girlfriend to see if you'll cheat.

01:15:36.280 And were the people from the mainland or whatever?

01:15:38.060 I think they're all from Spain pretty much.

01:15:40.640 Some of them may be from other Spanish-speaking countries, but everybody speaks Spanish.

01:15:43.900 So this one couple, she, that girl right there, Anita.

01:15:47.060 Anita gets just banged out, I think, five days in by this other dude and he's got a watch.

01:15:52.420 Why do you have to watch?

01:15:53.600 Because that's part of the show, bro.

01:15:55.320 So they're just cucking my man Montoya.

01:15:57.480 But Montoya is so charming that you actually don't look at him like a cuck.

01:16:01.520 You're like, oh, he's like a flamenco singer.

01:16:04.000 He's the man.

01:16:04.560 And so he gets really emotional about watching the guy just beat cheeks on his girl.

01:16:08.800 Oh, yeah.

01:16:10.140 And this seems like modern-day Shakespeare almost, you know?

01:16:12.800 Yeah, exactly.

01:16:15.640 You know what I'm talking about, kind of?

01:16:16.960 Yeah.

01:16:17.480 There's very much a thing where like.

01:16:18.900 Yeah, yeah, it's a fella, really.

01:16:20.520 Yeah, when the figure would be like, it would open up a portal in your head where you thought this, your wife was cheating and you would take your own life or something.

01:16:27.220 Wow.

01:16:27.320 So there it is.

01:16:27.900 So like he's got to watch this security cam footage and you could like hear like pelvis hit cheeks.

01:16:33.760 No.

01:16:34.200 Like this.

01:16:36.880 Ugh.

01:16:37.500 Yeah, it's brutal.

01:16:38.420 But it's also fantastic TV.

01:16:40.780 God, I've never seen that.

01:16:42.420 It's amazing.

01:16:43.240 Like, and I haven't watched the whole episode.

01:16:44.980 I just watched like whatever highlights get clipped and put on like TikTok or Instagram.

01:16:49.080 I think that's how I consume everything.

01:16:50.680 But I, yeah, everything I possibly can, I consume.

01:16:53.160 Yeah.

01:16:53.960 Well, it's funny because you start to want to have like an information diet.

01:16:57.120 So there's things you can talk about with different guests or whatever.

01:16:59.600 That's what I heard Mr. Beast say.

01:17:00.800 Like he hires people to have an information diet.

01:17:03.020 For him.

01:17:03.660 So they all absorb stuff.

01:17:05.160 Then they filter it down.

01:17:06.360 And then he gets like this stuff from them.

01:17:07.940 It's like fine tuned to exactly what he would want to know the most.

01:17:10.920 Oh, wow.

01:17:11.900 And that's crazy.

01:17:13.000 So he has like a human version of Chad GPT.

01:17:15.660 Yeah.

01:17:16.000 So he has intelligence and intelligence.

01:17:19.060 Yeah.

01:17:19.280 Like real intelligence.

01:17:19.900 He has like an algorithm that's, yeah, he's like a human kind of algorithm, you know?

01:17:23.420 Yeah.

01:17:23.620 Sort of, I guess.

01:17:24.420 So he's outsourcing his like interests.

01:17:27.520 How do you run it back against those Paul guys, I wonder?

01:17:30.640 How do I run it back against Logan?

01:17:33.140 Or Jake as well?

01:17:34.300 Get Jake involved as well?

01:17:36.020 Dude, I would fucking, if I saw those people in my dreams, I would beat the shit out of them.

01:17:41.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:17:42.280 That's a good caveat right there.

01:17:44.400 That's a very good caveat.

01:17:46.040 No, Logan needs to get it back.

01:17:47.240 Logan needs to get, Logan needs to get some get back.

01:17:49.840 That's the reality.

01:17:51.260 You can't come into my place and do that, obviously.

01:17:53.340 But, you know, Jake, I don't even know if Jake's going to be involved in wrestling, you know?

01:17:57.500 He's doing his boxing thing.

01:17:59.380 Yeah.

01:18:00.040 But let's see what happens.

01:18:02.540 I don't know.

01:18:03.220 You never know.

01:18:03.720 You never know with these things.

01:18:05.520 What about you?

01:18:05.960 Are you going to get involved in some wrestling?

01:18:07.620 I don't know, dude.

01:18:08.840 I thought about trying to wrestle one of those guys.

01:18:11.860 I would have to really stretch and focus on fitness.

01:18:15.180 Yep.

01:18:15.620 Yeah, 100%.

01:18:16.500 I would have to really stretch and focus on it.

01:18:18.260 Or you could just get dragged through the ring like I did and then not work at fitness at all.

01:18:24.260 You know, this is the craziest part of that scene.

01:18:26.060 You didn't even see the end of it.

01:18:27.620 I got dragged over the banister, ragdolled on the ground, rolled into the ring, bent over and put into a suplex.

01:18:34.500 This other dude, AJ, saves me.

01:18:37.100 After Logan leaves, I jumped on a top rope.

01:18:41.020 Did you?

01:18:41.580 Like, I did something.

01:18:42.700 I think I'm the first person in history to just get my ass kicked and still go on the top rope and celebrate.

01:18:48.900 But it really goes back to exactly what we were saying earlier.

01:18:51.840 If all people see is that clip of you on the top rope, they're like, this guy won.

01:18:55.440 So I'm like, I might never do this again.

01:18:56.900 What am I going to knock you up at the top rope?

01:18:58.660 Come on.

01:18:59.280 I got to tell my daughter something.

01:19:01.520 That's classic, man.

01:19:02.960 Yeah.

01:19:03.600 Have you thought about over the years of moving out of New York?

01:19:07.200 I know you were talking about the taxes and stuff in there.

01:19:09.400 Yeah.

01:19:09.680 I don't know.

01:19:10.600 It's pricey.

01:19:11.220 Have you ever thought about going on to Austin?

01:19:12.540 Did you ever think about that?

01:19:13.380 Not living there.

01:19:14.320 No.

01:19:14.720 No.

01:19:15.180 I mean, like, look, it's fucking incredible what Joe's done down there.

01:19:19.420 Like, it's incredible.

01:19:20.880 It's kind of crazy that it almost feels sometimes like another center.

01:19:25.340 It definitely feels like another new center of comedy, which they didn't have five years ago.

01:19:28.940 I can't believe I'm going to say what I'm saying right now.

01:19:31.940 Because obviously, you know, New York guys, we're incredibly biased about stand-up.

01:19:35.140 We're like, the best stand-ups are in New York, and this is where you come.

01:19:37.500 You got to make your bones.

01:19:38.420 This is what you got to do.

01:19:39.640 And then the idea was, okay, but if you want to become, like, famous, you can go to L.A.

01:19:43.200 because that's where the industry is.

01:19:44.260 Somebody's going to pop into the comedy store.

01:19:45.720 They're going to see you.

01:19:46.280 You'll be famous.

01:19:47.400 That's at least, like, the hope or the dreams or whatever, right?

01:19:50.660 But as of right now, if you're a young comic, right, what is your pathway to success in L.A.?

01:19:57.220 If you're a young comic, what's your pathway to success in L.A.?

01:19:59.720 Perception.

01:20:00.460 Doesn't mean that it can't happen, but, like, in L.A. or New York.

01:20:03.240 Like, what shows can you get on that eventually you become famous?

01:20:06.820 Because I know if I'm a young comic, I can manage to get on Kill Tony and become a regular.

01:20:11.460 I'm selling out theaters around the country.

01:20:13.680 These guys are selling real tickets.

01:20:14.880 If I get into Joe's world and I'm able to go on the podcast a bunch and maybe even go on the road, like, I'm getting a career.

01:20:20.900 To me, it's like we need to start building some infrastructure in New York so these guys feel like there's a pathway to selling tickets.

01:20:28.920 And that's not just New York.

01:20:29.960 That's L.A. too.

01:20:31.220 Those days of just, like, getting a role in a movie and then you sell tickets are done.

01:20:35.500 You doing a TV show, one-off, and then you don't just sell tickets.

01:20:39.660 You need to be, like, ingratiating yourself to the people through stand-up comedy if you want to sell stand-up comedy tickets.

01:20:45.420 So I don't blame or I don't begrudge any comic who's like, I want to go to move to Austin because I feel like that's where the thing is happening.

01:20:53.980 Especially if you just move to New York or L.A. to make it.

01:20:57.140 I'm from New York, like, born and raised in New York.

01:20:59.180 So, like, moving to another city is like leaving my whole family, my friend group.

01:21:05.940 Right, you're leaving your world.

01:21:07.000 Oh, there you go.

01:21:07.680 That's what I was thinking, I guess.

01:21:08.940 Yo, my God.

01:21:09.960 I do kind of look like that motherfucker.

01:21:11.920 Diego Pena, what's his name?

01:21:13.360 Man.

01:21:13.820 Diego Garcia?

01:21:14.700 He looks ugly next to Christian Bale, bro.

01:21:17.220 And he's not even that ugly, bro.

01:21:19.000 I'm saying he looks like me.

01:21:20.240 So I can't be insulting him that much.

01:21:22.080 But Christian Bale is one fucking handsome guy.

01:21:25.100 Well, then imagine if there's another even less.

01:21:27.440 Wait a minute.

01:21:27.660 Did he AI my face onto that?

01:21:29.720 I did.

01:21:30.120 This is face swap.

01:21:30.920 God damn, bro.

01:21:32.220 I look ugly next to Christian Bale.

01:21:37.460 That motherfucker is handsome.

01:21:39.480 Look at Bruce Wayne right there, dude.

01:21:41.100 God.

01:21:41.680 Nah, he's a stud.

01:21:43.160 Ugh.

01:21:43.960 He's a stud.

01:21:45.440 Yeah.

01:21:46.220 And I'm worse looking than you.

01:21:47.740 So the tough part is it only goes another step downhill.

01:21:51.720 Yo, how fucked up is that me insulting him before I knew it was me?

01:21:55.620 Like, isn't that?

01:21:56.360 That's insanity right there.

01:21:58.060 I mean, it's the...

01:22:00.660 Where's my self-esteem at?

01:22:01.780 I don't know.

01:22:03.280 Don't come here for it.

01:22:04.760 I don't know.

01:22:06.240 I built this railroad on low self-esteem, dude.

01:22:10.380 Have you ever heard of the low self-esteem engine?

01:22:12.440 No, I haven't.

01:22:13.080 That's the only thing that's run on these tracks for years, dude.

01:22:17.460 I mean, we're picking up.

01:22:18.380 We're picking up steam, but it's been slow.

01:22:20.540 Oh, God.

01:22:21.780 What are we talking about, though?

01:22:23.100 Oh, there's the scene.

01:22:24.320 So it's just like, I imagine every...

01:22:26.160 Oh, yeah, the scene.

01:22:26.720 I mean, think about it.

01:22:28.860 Obviously, we're in different positions, right?

01:22:30.660 Like, we're in a different part of our career where we have...

01:22:33.560 We can live wherever we want.

01:22:34.000 We're not coming out.

01:22:34.680 It's not the beginning of our career.

01:22:36.020 Exactly.

01:22:36.780 So, but if you were young and you're like, my pathway to success, like, what...

01:22:41.440 If you go to LA, what shows do you get on to eventually make it?

01:22:44.460 Like, what is your...

01:22:45.260 Right.

01:22:45.800 Well, there's a couple things.

01:22:46.720 One, you can get a lot of...

01:22:48.280 There's a lot of, like, influencers and stuff out here.

01:22:50.800 So there's a lot of, like, social media influencers.

01:22:54.380 That stuff is real out here.

01:22:56.180 There's movie stars that live out here.

01:22:57.820 And there's television shows.

01:22:59.160 But I don't know if a lot of stuff still shoots in LA, which is kind of crazy.

01:23:02.720 Like, even whenever we shot this little movie with Spade, we're like...

01:23:06.280 They're like, thank you.

01:23:07.960 People are like, thank you guys so much.

01:23:09.320 For working here.

01:23:10.080 We haven't had work in months.

01:23:12.500 And I'm like, what do you mean?

01:23:14.120 Because I don't know who shoots what, you know?

01:23:16.080 They're like, yeah.

01:23:16.640 I'm like, in Hollywood?

01:23:18.340 You haven't had work in months?

01:23:19.860 And, yeah, I guess there's just nothing shooting here.

01:23:22.420 Which seems crazy that you would build an industry where then nothing even shoots within it, you know?

01:23:28.460 Like, at a certain point, you can't cut every corner.

01:23:31.540 Like, okay, we're going to shoot out of state to get a tax break.

01:23:35.060 But the tax incentives are really big.

01:23:37.600 You can shoot up in Canada.

01:23:39.040 You can shoot up over in Atlanta.

01:23:41.640 Like, the tax incentives are huge to go shoot in these places.

01:23:45.220 The one when California matched them, it seems like.

01:23:47.160 I think, like, it's just like we were saying.

01:23:50.020 Like, politics is always downriver from culture.

01:23:52.860 So, they're going to have to learn the hard way.

01:23:54.840 They're going to have to see the industry actually start to be negatively impacted, like, for a while.

01:24:01.120 And then they're going to have to vote out whoever is in power with that kind of influence.

01:24:05.960 But L.A. thrives on Hollywood.

01:24:07.840 Like, there isn't L.A. without Hollywood.

01:24:10.400 Like, that's the industry.

01:24:12.740 That's true.

01:24:13.220 I guess then it's kind of like Barcelona or something in a way.

01:24:15.900 You know?

01:24:16.100 Some cool museums and it's beautiful.

01:24:18.840 We don't even know you guys have museums out here.

01:24:20.900 I'm going to be honest with you.

01:24:21.560 Yeah.

01:24:21.760 Like, somebody told me that.

01:24:22.900 They're like, oh, yeah, we were spending some time in museums.

01:24:24.900 I was like, you got museums out here?

01:24:26.460 Like, I thought you had that observatory shit that's up on the hill.

01:24:29.860 And that's it.

01:24:30.520 Yeah.

01:24:31.060 We don't know that you have, like, the theater.

01:24:32.820 Like, do you have plays that come out in L.A.?

01:24:34.460 I have no idea.

01:24:35.280 Like, can you watch Hamilton in L.A. ever?

01:24:38.380 I don't know.

01:24:39.180 It's a good question.

01:24:40.100 Well, we don't really have that district, like, the theater district that New York has.

01:24:43.880 I mean, Danny McBride was saying this the other day.

01:24:45.620 He goes, you know, I've always been kind of amazed that L.A. doesn't, like, historicize itself better as a structure.

01:24:53.760 He's like, when you go down the street here, you should be, every other building should be, this is where.

01:25:00.120 This was filmed.

01:25:01.020 Right.

01:25:01.400 Yeah.

01:25:01.620 This is where Sidney Poitier lived the first three years that he lived here, in this apartment.

01:25:06.380 Like, you know, like, in these buildings, we've kept them because they're, and some of it is still the same because, you know, you don't have as much wear and tear from the elements here.

01:25:13.980 Outside of, like, the fires recently, but you don't have just, like, the constant salt in the air like you do in a lot of places.

01:25:20.400 But overall, he's like, yeah, I'm just kind of amazed that you don't go down the street and every other building is historical for some reason.

01:25:27.120 Bro, I think that's a fantastic point because that is the coolest thing about L.A. Hollywood is, like, old Hollywood culture.

01:25:35.500 Right.

01:25:35.660 Like, there's that hotel, the Sunset Tower or whatever, and, like, it has this cool restaurant that feels like old Hollywood.

01:25:41.880 Oh, yeah, it's cool in there.

01:25:42.920 It's some fancy, bougie shit, but it still feels like, oh, I can imagine directors in, like, the 60s.

01:25:47.700 Yeah, what are you saying, huh?

01:25:49.120 You know, what is that, what is that fucking girl with the air blowing her dress up?

01:25:53.560 Oh, Shirley Temple or whatever?

01:25:55.000 No, my bro.

01:25:57.340 Marilyn Monroe.

01:25:58.180 Marilyn Monroe.

01:25:59.300 Oh, sorry.

01:26:03.140 Well, okay.

01:26:04.260 Yeah, exactly.

01:26:06.660 I'd like to have that stricken record.

01:26:08.680 You're talking unbelievable.

01:26:10.720 Well, dude, I'll tell you something, buddy.

01:26:12.000 Here's the number one place, and I'm sorry.

01:26:15.020 Who's the girl where her dress was blown up?

01:26:17.460 Shirley Temple.

01:26:18.120 I don't know why it's L.A.

01:26:20.100 I didn't think they were going to.

01:26:20.840 No, he's right.

01:26:21.660 He's right.

01:26:22.860 Weinstein's innocent.

01:26:24.260 Weinstein is innocent.

01:26:26.320 I didn't think if they're blowing anybody's dress up, it's going to be a child, obviously.

01:26:30.300 Go on.

01:26:30.700 Dude, when people come to visit me, the one place that I take them every time,

01:26:33.980 literally is a tour stop, is a cemetery that's near my apartment in Westwood that has Marilyn

01:26:38.920 Monroe's grave in it, Hugh Hefner, Errol Flynn.

01:26:42.220 Oh, wow.

01:26:43.860 Carol O'Connor.

01:26:45.360 Oh, geez.

01:26:46.520 The guy from Bad Gramp or whatever.

01:26:51.620 Walter Matthau.

01:26:52.340 Walter Matthau is in there.

01:26:54.280 It's just like, you just show them like this.

01:26:56.300 You know, that's kind of the neatest thing, I think.

01:26:58.340 I think it's a great point, because there is cool historical shit about L.A., but you

01:27:04.320 got to embrace it and then protect it.

01:27:06.460 And I think that maybe it's just such a new city, they don't see the value in it.

01:27:10.800 Like, you and I are from very kind of like old places in terms of American history.

01:27:15.560 Not world history, but like there's a lot of history in, I'm going to give you New Orleans.

01:27:20.340 I know you're not from New Orleans, but like just this idea.

01:27:22.520 Oh, yeah.

01:27:23.500 And it's important to us to maintain that.

01:27:27.120 We actually like the way that the buildings look.

01:27:29.500 When a new fancy building goes up in New York, there's always this immediate rejection.

01:27:33.000 We're like, ah, these fucking glasses, there goes the neighborhood or whatever it is.

01:27:36.800 So we try to protect, and I feel like L.A. is so transient.

01:27:40.420 Like, everybody that comes here is coming from Maine or coming from, you know, Montana or some

01:27:45.320 shit like that to go make it.

01:27:46.440 So they don't really care that much about the history.

01:27:48.440 They're like, what's going on now?

01:27:49.680 Right.

01:27:49.920 But the people from here, like Dove, like the people who actually grew up here, and

01:27:54.080 like that is the industry, yeah, I would like to see that protected.

01:27:58.820 That's a great point.

01:28:00.020 And then there's another version of you coming out here that's not like a TMZ tour bus tour,

01:28:03.780 whatever that stupid shit is.

01:28:04.880 We're like, this is the Rock's house.

01:28:06.000 It's like, nah, go see where fucking Sidney Potier lived or go see where these historic

01:28:10.700 actors, like What's-His-Face's first apartment, Jack Nicholson's first apartment.

01:28:15.260 It'd be so cool if they had that and still had it under, they had it like really locked in.

01:28:18.960 Dude, the guy, the founder of Cane's, this guy, Todd Graves, he still has his college

01:28:24.120 apartment that was right next door to the first Cane's that's in Baton Rouge.

01:28:29.420 And you go in there, dude, and it is crazy.

01:28:31.540 It's like, it's from 30 years ago, you know, or 20, 22 years ago or something.

01:28:35.880 And it's just like old TV.

01:28:37.360 He's maintained everything from it?

01:28:38.300 Maintained it.

01:28:38.840 Oh, I love it.

01:28:39.720 Pictures from back then and shit.

01:28:41.440 His life got busy.

01:28:42.300 And so he just wasn't there for like eight years.

01:28:43.780 And then he came back and it's just like magazines with like Jordan and Shaq.

01:28:48.300 He's a beast, that guy.

01:28:49.900 Yeah, he stays so busy.

01:28:51.020 He works really hard.

01:28:51.820 I think he owns all of the Cane's still, right?

01:28:54.100 This is not a franchised restaurant.

01:28:55.840 I think he owns.

01:28:57.200 It's kind of, it's unbelievably impressive.

01:28:59.480 And maybe because I'm from New York, we just got one.

01:29:02.280 There's one that just popped up in these village.

01:29:03.880 But like, I was talking to a buddy of mine who's actually like one of his lawyers and

01:29:09.100 he was kind of explaining it to him.

01:29:10.420 It's like, this guy's like a real ambitious, like kind of genius to put that together.

01:29:16.080 It's very hard to not sell off your company as it becomes successful.

01:29:21.360 To have that vision, like, I don't know if you're like this, but if I'm building something

01:29:26.240 that's successful and then someone offers me $300 million for it, I'm like, there's some

01:29:32.080 people that are crazy enough to go, no, this shit is really worth $2 billion.

01:29:34.820 I'm like, what is $2 billion even?

01:29:37.680 What is that money even?

01:29:39.660 You know what I mean?

01:29:40.740 There are people that say no to $1 billion because they know it could be worth $5.

01:29:46.320 Isn't that crazy?

01:29:48.260 What do you need that for?

01:29:49.620 Yeah.

01:29:50.120 Like, you can tap out of whatever you're doing.

01:29:52.640 Maybe they really love what they're doing.

01:29:54.380 Maybe that's it.

01:29:54.900 But then you just sell it and get locked in as a consultant or whatever.

01:29:59.080 Yeah, yeah, I guess you could.

01:30:00.200 But maybe they would hate that.

01:30:01.200 Maybe they're like, it's my genius that drives this car.

01:30:06.520 It's like that rigor mortis or whoever made Frankenstein or whatever, the doctor or whatever,

01:30:11.620 he wanted to die with Frankenstein.

01:30:13.580 He's like, you know, I think that's what happened.

01:30:15.640 What happened with Frankenstein?

01:30:16.600 I fucking don't even know what happened.

01:30:17.660 It was Dr. Frankenstein and then it was the creature.

01:30:20.400 Yeah, isn't that crazy?

01:30:22.300 That we think that Frankenstein is the lifeless animal.

01:30:26.820 You know, but it was actually the doctor.

01:30:31.740 Imagine how he feels.

01:30:34.000 He's like, what are you?

01:30:35.060 Hey, my name's Rick.

01:30:36.380 You know, it's like nobody fucking.

01:30:38.920 I'm fucking Rick Hopkins, you know, I had a fucking bad frontal lobe surgery.

01:30:47.380 Give me some.

01:30:48.000 God damn.

01:30:50.840 That's so true.

01:30:52.140 What is that?

01:30:52.480 It still goes back to you see a clip of something.

01:30:54.940 And you just believe it.

01:30:55.760 That's what you believe.

01:30:56.660 I can't believe it.

01:30:57.360 Yeah.

01:30:58.240 That motherfucker's name is not even Frankenstein.

01:31:02.040 Yo, it's called Creature, which is way more adept, right?

01:31:07.360 Like that feels like the name for it, but nah.

01:31:10.060 But at least that's his name.

01:31:15.520 God, dude.

01:31:16.520 Yeah, shout out Frankenstein.

01:31:17.680 Yeah, dude.

01:31:19.780 Oh, how's the Trump thing going over in New York, dude?

01:31:22.680 You know what's so interesting is like.

01:31:24.420 It was crazy how right after the election was over, everybody just kind of went on about

01:31:27.880 regular life kind of.

01:31:29.000 Bro, it's.

01:31:30.160 And like now I'm almost like annoyed by it.

01:31:31.900 I'm like, I thought we weren't going to have to go through this again.

01:31:35.120 Like, I don't know how it is like here, where you're living.

01:31:38.900 But we're back to like the bipartisan bickering, you know, like this doge is a big deal, right?

01:31:47.180 Even though there's no American that wants like waste.

01:31:50.100 There's no American that wants like government bloat.

01:31:52.760 There's no American that wants like inefficiency.

01:31:55.360 I don't think any of us are like voting for those three things.

01:31:57.860 Yeah.

01:31:58.080 So this should be like unilateral support.

01:32:00.620 Like we should all get behind it.

01:32:01.940 And maybe the way that they're doing.

01:32:03.500 I think Trump even came out and be like, yo, we're going to use a scalpel, not a hatchet.

01:32:06.260 Like I think we're being a little bit too forceful with the firings or whatever.

01:32:10.040 But this is one of those things where like it's so annoying.

01:32:13.000 And I think you can blame Elon for this as well.

01:32:15.840 Like on Twitter, he's a little bit antagonistic about shit.

01:32:18.320 I noticed that recently.

01:32:19.080 Some of the stuff he says, like, do you have to say that?

01:32:20.960 Like, what are you doing right there?

01:32:22.400 You're in power now.

01:32:23.280 Like, I think you have to have a little bit different energy when you're in power.

01:32:26.240 I think when you're not in power, you're trying to get to power.

01:32:28.520 Maybe that antagonism is helpful, right?

01:32:31.480 It can like embolden the base.

01:32:33.380 But you're the leader now.

01:32:35.680 Leaders don't need to poke a finger and like twist a knife or whatever.

01:32:39.300 Well, I think what he's doing, I believe that what Elon is doing is by creating all that commotion on Twitter, it's only helping his own business, right?

01:32:48.120 So it creates now that everybody's, everyone wants to see what he's going to say.

01:32:51.840 But he's saying so many things, it's hard to even juggle.

01:32:53.840 But so many people are engaging and interacting.

01:32:56.360 I feel like it's probably the number one news app.

01:32:58.180 I don't know if it's always been the number one news app.

01:32:59.940 It has to be.

01:33:01.040 It has to be.

01:33:01.940 That's why, yeah.

01:33:02.520 I mean, don't you learn everything?

01:33:03.600 He's stirring his own business.

01:33:05.160 It's like, so the more he does that, it just, then it's more impressions, the more ads that he can sell, right?

01:33:10.800 I don't know if that's true.

01:33:12.360 But you're basically creating a place for people to go consume content in general.

01:33:16.500 And if he's the biggest creator on that platform, then it makes sense that he continues to create.

01:33:21.460 So you're saying that he's not doing this just to get out information, but he's also doing this to like uplift the app.

01:33:26.960 It's like a hype machine, yeah.

01:33:28.040 Oh, wow.

01:33:28.620 I don't know if that's true.

01:33:29.960 But that's what the feeling you get from it.

01:33:31.480 I'm at least, because otherwise, it's kind of in, some of the shit's kind of insane.

01:33:35.040 It's like, what is this like?

01:33:36.140 How is he doing all of these things?

01:33:37.900 And if he's not doing all these things, because who could have time to do all of this?

01:33:41.720 To do all these things, yeah.

01:33:42.120 Then who is doing it?

01:33:43.520 And it's kind of annoying because he's a genius.

01:33:48.080 You want him on your side.

01:33:49.900 Like, I want the guy who makes the rockets on America's side if we go to World War III.

01:33:53.820 Right.

01:33:54.100 Like, I think that's a pretty good idea that we get the guy who's going to send a ship to Mars on our side if we're going to have like drone warfare.

01:34:01.220 Yeah.

01:34:01.660 Throughout the world.

01:34:02.340 Like, let's keep him in our good graces.

01:34:04.280 I do think, and I'm a little bit more optimistic about this administration.

01:34:08.520 That's what I've realized with most people, like sane people, is that if you don't, if you didn't vote for Trump, but you're not like a complete like lunatic extremist, on both sides, by the way.

01:34:19.560 Like, if you're just kind of like a normal regular guy, but you feel like you lean left a little bit more, you go, you just are pessimistic about the administration.

01:34:27.980 And if you lean maybe right a little bit more, but you're not some insane like right-wing quack, you're optimistic about the administration.

01:34:34.580 Yeah.

01:34:35.260 We both kind of want the same thing.

01:34:36.700 We want the best thing for American people.

01:34:38.200 Right.

01:34:38.380 We might disagree about where we get there, but we do want the most opportunity, wealth, ease of living for American people.

01:34:47.240 So when it comes to, when it comes to the administration, I'm like a little bit more optimistic about it.

01:34:51.800 Like, I'm like, okay, let's just see how this works.

01:34:54.000 Right.

01:34:54.200 That's how I feel.

01:34:55.200 Yeah.

01:34:55.700 Give him a, give him a, people are going, oh, he's doing all these tariffs.

01:34:58.740 It's like, my man, I don't, I'm not an economist.

01:35:01.580 I know you aren't an economist.

01:35:03.440 Yeah.

01:35:03.720 I don't know if this is a negotiation.

01:35:05.980 Like if you go to buy a car and the car is like a hundred grand and, and you go in, you go, all right, I'm going to offer 80 grand.

01:35:12.100 Right.

01:35:12.820 Knowing that they're going to settle around 90.

01:35:16.440 Right.

01:35:17.760 The problem is when you do that, you do that in privacy with the car dealer.

01:35:21.540 Trump got to do it publicly.

01:35:22.800 And now he's got people in his own country going, how dare you offer 80.

01:35:27.660 That's so disrespectful.

01:35:28.520 And he can't come out and go, dumbass, we're going to settle at 90.

01:35:32.420 I just got to start at 80.

01:35:33.880 So could you give me fucking two weeks to get here?

01:35:36.240 They don't give him any, nobody gives him a beat to see what the long-term plan is.

01:35:39.460 Like if you want manufacturing jobs back in America, then you have to make it so that it makes more sense for people to make cars in America.

01:35:48.420 Maybe.

01:35:48.620 That's just business.

01:35:49.700 Like I agree with you.

01:35:51.060 I would, I never was against Biden.

01:35:53.660 I've never been against anybody that's been in office.

01:35:55.740 I've always just wanted the best.

01:35:56.820 It's like, I want the best.

01:35:57.960 I'm never going to depend on the government for my life.

01:36:00.820 Like I don't wake up every day and see what the fucking government's doing.

01:36:03.500 I get out of bed and I try and take care of myself or, you know, you know, take care of your family.

01:36:08.440 Like you're doing, it's like, that's probably what most people think.

01:36:10.720 Yeah.

01:36:11.120 Anybody that has time to argue online all day is also insane.

01:36:13.980 Right?

01:36:14.280 Like I'm not saying that we don't all put our beliefs out there sometimes, but I hear what

01:36:18.420 you're saying, but it's like, but you have to like, that's one thing somebody said the

01:36:23.300 other night.

01:36:23.600 Oh, Trump said it during that, that whole like state of the, whatever the delegacy address.

01:36:28.120 It was just, it was like the state of the two parties are addressing with the, if you got

01:36:32.240 to watch the hour and a half of that, I don't care what side of it, this shit was hilarious.

01:36:35.420 It was like somebody who wrote like noises off or something.

01:36:38.940 It was just a fascinating joint congressional committees address or whatever.

01:36:43.460 Um, yeah, there was like fucking, they kept cutting this white dude that was asleep.

01:36:47.580 They threw Al Green out.

01:36:48.880 People thought he was Jimmy Snuka.

01:36:50.780 They fucking threw him out, dude.

01:36:53.660 They kept people, like Democrats that only had their feelings on little signs that said

01:36:57.180 like not good or gazoon tight or whatever.

01:36:59.760 I bumped into Al Green at the breakfast club.

01:37:01.460 He was going on after me and someone was like, Hey, he wants to, Al Green wants to say

01:37:05.680 hello.

01:37:05.880 And I was like, yeah, sure.

01:37:06.640 That'd be cool.

01:37:07.380 And this guy just got chucked out of the fucking Senate.

01:37:09.040 And I went and I go, I shake it.

01:37:11.980 And like his like handle or something like that is like waiting there with like a camera,

01:37:15.800 like tucked here for the handshake picture.

01:37:18.780 And I was like, did I just get set up in a photo op to make me look sympathetic to what

01:37:23.780 happened?

01:37:24.340 I'm like, what exactly is going on?

01:37:26.260 That's crazy.

01:37:27.300 Yeah.

01:37:27.800 Yeah.

01:37:28.080 Well, that's also scary when everybody has cameras everywhere now.

01:37:31.120 Yeah.

01:37:32.000 Yeah.

01:37:32.400 A lot of people thought that was Jimmy Snuka, which makes total sense as well.

01:37:36.120 Yeah.

01:37:36.440 I think it's still think it was a body, huh?

01:37:39.080 Let's get it on.

01:37:40.340 Um, was that, that was Al Green?

01:37:43.860 Let's get it on.

01:37:45.140 Let's get it on.

01:37:47.160 Yeah.

01:37:47.480 I think so.

01:37:48.500 But yeah, so it's a tricky, yeah, it's a tricky, it's a tricky time now politically.

01:37:52.820 But I just don't like it.

01:37:54.000 You kind of hope like hopefully there's some longterm strategy here.

01:37:56.900 It's like, cause if you just look at the little bits, it's kind of fucking scary.

01:38:00.020 Also, if the, if, and I'm not trying to just like bag on the last administration, but like

01:38:05.380 if people are uncomfortable and the last administration was running on this platform of, hey, we're

01:38:12.160 going to keep doing the same thing that we've been doing.

01:38:14.860 That was a bad plan.

01:38:15.620 You can't really blame Americans for going, well, that's not working for me right now.

01:38:20.620 I got to try something different and then giving the new thing a little bit of leeway.

01:38:26.540 It's not like, again, I might be more optimistic and if it goes bad, I will be the first person

01:38:31.260 to criticize it, right?

01:38:32.340 I have no problem criticizing whoever's in power.

01:38:34.720 Okay.

01:38:35.020 This is the easiest thing in the fucking world for me, but I, I am hoping I'm at least going

01:38:41.320 to give a little bit of grace and hoping that this is going to work out for all of us.

01:38:44.160 And I'm going to give it more than a fucking few months.

01:38:46.280 I'm going to give it a little bit to see where it goes.

01:38:47.900 And if it does go, I'm not going to be the guy to go, told you so you fucking idiot.

01:38:51.760 Like, cause that's not the joy that it brings me.

01:38:53.800 The joy that brings me is like, Hey shit, we're actually making some cool change.

01:38:57.040 Right.

01:38:57.220 America's going to be doing better.

01:38:58.400 We got an opportunity to, you know, start here and get up here.

01:39:01.520 Imagine if you brought some industries back where people have pride in their homes and in their

01:39:04.700 towns, dude, I'll tell you this.

01:39:06.100 We've gone on this tour.

01:39:06.960 I've been on, we've gone to probably 200, the top 200 cities so far size wise, right?

01:39:12.400 We've gone fucking everywhere.

01:39:14.460 And a lot of the places, man, it's the same.

01:39:16.920 It's like, there's no, there's not a lot of businesses there.

01:39:19.960 There's some cities that have kind of changed and had some turnaround and it's been uplifting,

01:39:23.940 but there's been a lot of places that it hasn't, you know?

01:39:26.760 And, um, and it's sad.

01:39:28.660 It's like, Oh, all this place needs is one good, like influx of, uh, of people.

01:39:34.700 People and a purpose, you know, when people have jobs, they have purpose.

01:39:38.360 Yeah.

01:39:38.520 And so it's like, I'm just going to, I'm for surely going to stay hopeful.

01:39:41.960 I hope that if, if, if there's some tariff stuff and then we start making our own fucking

01:39:45.780 cars here, dude, there's a guy who just made a show.

01:39:48.960 I, uh, a T, um, a t-shirt.

01:39:51.060 I think it's called American giant.

01:39:53.260 Can you look that up?

01:39:55.420 There's a guy, he wanted to make, find a t-shirt that was made in America, American giant

01:40:00.300 clothing.

01:40:01.820 He couldn't even get a t-shirt that was completely made here.

01:40:05.480 He couldn't get a, he couldn't get a, uh, whatever this is called, a template or a blank

01:40:09.940 in America.

01:40:11.040 He couldn't, they didn't have it, right?

01:40:13.560 They didn't, we don't make a fucking t-shirt in this company, right?

01:40:18.640 Country.

01:40:19.140 Yeah.

01:40:19.280 So, uh, don't they make Teslas here?

01:40:23.080 Yeah.

01:40:23.620 Like Teslas are an American made car.

01:40:25.540 So like bare minimum.

01:40:26.620 And like, I'm not trying to knock any of the American, you know, other American cars, right?

01:40:30.520 Like, but I don't think Ford is entirely made here.

01:40:33.700 Right.

01:40:34.420 I might be wrong.

01:40:36.120 I don't think they are.

01:40:37.060 You drive Ford.

01:40:37.980 Somebody said to me, I'm like, that's when I knew.

01:40:40.940 I'm like, hold on.

01:40:42.220 How's this guy know how to pronounce it?

01:40:43.560 Swedish guy.

01:40:46.480 But, uh, that's a great question.

01:40:48.020 Let's look that up.

01:40:48.680 Yeah.

01:40:48.820 What cars are made here?

01:40:49.940 What percentage of Teslas are made in America?

01:40:51.840 What percentage of Fords are made in America?

01:40:53.200 That's a great question, man.

01:40:54.600 And I, and I guess that, you know, you could be putting together the full car here, but

01:40:57.920 maybe there's like certain factors that are doing other stuff.

01:40:59.920 And I'm okay with that.

01:41:00.720 Like I'm, I'm okay with outsourcing to different countries.

01:41:03.060 I think it gives them opportunities as well.

01:41:04.560 That's a cool thing.

01:41:05.460 But Tesla claims that nearly 100% of the vehicles that sells in the United States are manufactured

01:41:13.320 domestically.

01:41:14.840 Exceeding the industry average of 52%.

01:41:17.560 Wow.

01:41:18.120 Now that doesn't mean they don't make cars in other countries as well.

01:41:21.160 Right.

01:41:21.600 But the ones that are sold here made here.

01:41:23.440 Regardless.

01:41:23.940 Okay.

01:41:25.520 If we want to attack in a car company, right.

01:41:29.320 And again, I don't know if they're attacking Tesla because they don't like the product.

01:41:32.220 They're attacking Tesla because they don't like the CEO of the company.

01:41:35.200 Yeah.

01:41:35.380 And that is the risk of being a celebrity CEO.

01:41:37.500 By the way, there's like CEOs of, and you talk about this all the time, but like some

01:41:40.720 of these like pharmaceutical companies, we don't know who the fuck they are.

01:41:43.160 Right.

01:41:43.460 And there's a reason because if we did.

01:41:45.960 People would execute them.

01:41:47.960 Something could happen.

01:41:48.860 Something could happen.

01:41:50.200 We don't know.

01:41:51.280 Something could happen.

01:41:52.100 Like somebody could throw them a surprise party.

01:41:54.360 Bro.

01:41:54.760 If you, if you have a billion dollar business and nobody knows who you are, you're doing

01:42:00.660 some fucked up shit.

01:42:01.540 Yeah.

01:42:01.760 You're doing some fucked shit, man.

01:42:03.320 Right.

01:42:03.580 Some fucked shit, homie.

01:42:04.420 Yeah.

01:42:05.240 So.

01:42:05.940 For real.

01:42:06.340 So, so this is like a kind of shitty situation where like, yes, I understand that he's antagonizing

01:42:11.200 people.

01:42:11.580 He's like rubbing people the wrong way.

01:42:12.900 You don't like the guy.

01:42:13.640 You don't like the beliefs.

01:42:14.400 You don't like what he's doing.

01:42:15.220 And there are things to criticize.

01:42:16.400 I'm not saying there aren't things to criticize.

01:42:17.660 Like everybody is, nobody's above criticism, but to punish that car company that is a hundred

01:42:24.300 percent made in America, made by people living in America, Americans rely on those jobs.

01:42:30.840 Like maybe we criticize another thing.

01:42:33.340 Right.

01:42:33.500 Like what is your goal that we shut down those factories and those Americans lose those jobs?

01:42:38.780 That makes you feel better about your gripe with Elon.

01:42:41.300 That's the thing.

01:42:41.980 Some people, they, they just want to win an argument.

01:42:44.200 It feels like, you know, sometimes there's people that rely on those fucking jobs.

01:42:47.440 Oh, for sure.

01:42:48.020 They got kids, bro.

01:42:49.060 Oh yeah.

01:42:49.680 Oh dude, there's no doubt about it.

01:42:51.000 But here's one thing that I think is sad about the, about Doge is that the fact that we have

01:42:55.220 to out, we now have to have someone audit our own government.

01:42:58.820 Our government is supposed to be the thing that we can trust.

01:43:01.480 Like it will never end now.

01:43:03.220 And people are like, why is this guy be having a team that audits?

01:43:06.100 It's like, I agree, but I'll let anybody audit.

01:43:09.440 If you bring on another company, they audit and they find, I'd give them 10% of the bloat

01:43:14.460 that they find.

01:43:15.280 If they, you know what I'm saying?

01:43:16.500 The simple fact that we now have to audit our own government.

01:43:20.100 Yeah.

01:43:20.340 I mean, I just, you know, I don't, people I think will gravitate towards corruption naturally.

01:43:25.040 And I think it's something that you constantly have to fight every single second.

01:43:27.900 Yeah.

01:43:28.040 You definitely have to.

01:43:28.900 You said something interesting though, like this idea, like you wake up every morning

01:43:32.460 and you're like, I don't expect the government to do something for me.

01:43:34.840 I think that's a, a more like Southern and frontier belief.

01:43:39.400 You know, I think that like when you grow up in, in like New York, there is this relationship

01:43:45.100 with the government where you're like, if the roads are fucked up, you start going, yo, why

01:43:48.260 the roads fucked up?

01:43:49.160 Like we're spending all this money in taxes or like the government, you're supposed to

01:43:53.380 do it.

01:43:53.560 You're giving me all these rules I got to live by.

01:43:55.280 So you might as well do some shit.

01:43:57.220 But that's interesting that you have this perspective, which is like, I don't expect

01:44:00.800 anything from you guys.

01:44:02.100 And I wonder if when they encroach on your freedoms, it's that much more annoying because

01:44:08.520 you're like, I don't rely on you for anything.

01:44:11.020 And you're going to tell me what to do.

01:44:12.940 Whereas we might be more accepting of, of the laws and the encroachment of freedoms because

01:44:18.380 we are more reliant on them for certain things.

01:44:22.240 So, and I wonder if that's why like some of the COVID stuff was way easier to accept in

01:44:27.480 big cities because we're already had this symbiotic relationship with government.

01:44:31.340 Right.

01:44:31.860 Whereas in places like Florida or even, you know, more other like Southern, maybe I guess

01:44:37.260 some red states, it's not all.

01:44:38.360 Yeah, a lot of rural areas.

01:44:39.240 In more rural areas, it's like, yo, listen, don't mess with me because I don't ask you

01:44:43.800 for shit.

01:44:44.340 Right.

01:44:45.140 And now you're getting into my house and telling me what to do when I already don't ask you

01:44:49.060 for anything.

01:44:49.720 Right.

01:44:49.900 We have one road.

01:44:51.840 We keep it clean.

01:44:53.000 It's fine.

01:44:54.000 I drive a truck so you don't have to pave it.

01:44:56.360 Yeah.

01:44:56.660 It's fine.

01:44:57.520 That's it.

01:44:58.220 Right.

01:44:58.600 We're doing, yeah.

01:44:59.540 Yeah.

01:44:59.900 That's a good, but it is interesting how like different areas could affect your perception.

01:45:04.220 And yeah, like I think a lot of like, one other thing is I think a lot of people

01:45:07.640 just worry about our tradition starting to disappear.

01:45:09.780 And I think that's where a lot of pushback comes from.

01:45:12.100 What do you mean by that?

01:45:12.940 Just like, you know, like tearing down a statue and saying that everything is racist and stuff

01:45:17.300 and not honoring our history, whether it is racist or not, like not did not like, you

01:45:22.100 know, if you take it away completely in three generations, no, you know.

01:45:25.820 Like, this is the tricky thing where it's like, I, okay, I, I try to meet people at

01:45:33.380 their intentions because I often want people to judge me on my intentions.

01:45:36.640 When I say something like crazy fucked up joke that's not even fully fleshed out on

01:45:40.360 a podcast and I want people to go, oh, he just wanted it to be funny, not, oh, this

01:45:45.280 guy's an evil asshole.

01:45:46.940 Yeah.

01:45:47.060 Right.

01:45:47.480 So when I see people doing the, taking like the progressive measures that might feel like

01:45:51.960 they're going too far, I at least have some empathy.

01:45:54.320 I go, all right, I know what you're trying to do.

01:45:55.980 You're trying to make this world that we live in, this country we live in a more comfortable

01:46:00.500 place for everybody.

01:46:01.980 And you're thinking about these oppressed or ostracized groups and you're like, how can

01:46:06.740 they not see certain imagery that might remind them of these horrible things that their ancestors

01:46:11.780 went through?

01:46:12.780 So like, I go, okay, I get that maybe you have some really good intentions here.

01:46:16.900 And then we can meet at, at that where we go, I get your good intentions.

01:46:20.200 And then, then we start to have, then let's have the conversation of, okay, how much of

01:46:24.940 that are we going to remove before we start removing like the history of our country?

01:46:29.700 And some of the history is ugly and that's, it's unfortunate, but it is the history like

01:46:34.160 removing, it doesn't remove the history.

01:46:36.240 Right.

01:46:36.980 But at least, at least not looking at them like they're assholes that want to destroy

01:46:40.380 America.

01:46:40.800 Maybe some of them are, but I think some of them also just kind of want to make life better

01:46:44.540 for people.

01:46:45.200 Yeah.

01:46:45.480 I don't think everybody's bad.

01:46:47.280 I think there are bad actors on both sides, but I think there's some people who like,

01:46:51.460 maybe they were bullied a lot as a kid and they're like, man, I don't want anybody to

01:46:54.060 go through that shit.

01:46:55.320 Like, I, yeah, I don't, I want to look out for some people and create some more protections.

01:46:59.480 And sometimes those protections might go like a little bit too far.

01:47:02.280 And then sometimes instead of creating protections, people will like hurt people, hurt people.

01:47:08.100 They'll do the opposite.

01:47:09.240 They'll be like, oh, white people are horrible.

01:47:10.880 It's like, okay, okay.

01:47:11.860 You're going too far.

01:47:13.140 Yeah.

01:47:13.320 You might've experienced some really fucked up people in your childhood and maybe you

01:47:16.880 have that way of looking at it, but it's not going to help if that's your way of communicating

01:47:20.480 with people.

01:47:20.700 Yeah.

01:47:21.540 Yeah.

01:47:21.860 I think the truth is usually kind of in the middle.

01:47:23.480 I think you're right.

01:47:24.140 You know?

01:47:25.020 And the fact that, yeah, it's like, it's, it's so funny.

01:47:28.000 It's like you get so stuck in your own perspective of what your own perspective is and you need

01:47:32.280 to be in your own perspective because it's a survival thing too.

01:47:34.760 It's like, of course, if I'm sitting here daydreaming or something and I get attacked by an animal

01:47:38.660 or something, then that's on me.

01:47:39.720 Right.

01:47:39.960 But it's like, but to actually put yourself in somebody else's shoes and think like, well,

01:47:43.860 what is it?

01:47:44.320 What is it really like?

01:47:45.680 Yeah.

01:47:46.000 You know?

01:47:46.280 Or what is like going through like certain classes or history class or things like that?

01:47:51.080 Like if you're a different ethnicity or different sex or something, what's that shit really

01:47:55.840 like?

01:47:56.200 You know?

01:47:56.800 Yeah.

01:47:57.000 They're supposed to have VR goggles that were supposed to be able to do that.

01:47:59.560 Yeah.

01:47:59.740 We could just see what it was like being Native American back in the day.

01:48:02.040 Yeah.

01:48:02.740 Hey.

01:48:03.300 Uh huh.

01:48:04.080 Yeah.

01:48:04.360 They're all Italians.

01:48:07.720 Look.

01:48:08.600 But look.

01:48:09.200 The goggles kind of like, they set it up to make it sound like who really killed the

01:48:13.320 Native Americans was Italian.

01:48:14.520 Christopher Columbus said, look at these guys.

01:48:17.080 Hey.

01:48:17.620 Fucking red horse.

01:48:18.760 Get over here.

01:48:20.920 Fuck out of here.

01:48:22.260 How many necklaces we gonna wear, huh?

01:48:26.060 You called the night.

01:48:27.160 How about some blankets?

01:48:28.300 Hey.

01:48:31.740 Hey.

01:48:32.320 Hey.

01:48:32.660 Hey.

01:48:33.200 That would be cool though.

01:48:34.500 But you could set it to any way, you know?

01:48:36.600 Oh, that's.

01:48:37.420 Because he was Italian, right?

01:48:38.800 Wasn't Columbus Italian?

01:48:40.000 They said he was.

01:48:40.800 Who the fucking knows, dude?

01:48:42.220 Yeah.

01:48:42.420 I'm sure he was probably Italian via Israel according to.

01:48:48.120 According to a lot of Reddit feeds.

01:48:52.340 Twitter.

01:48:53.780 They just blame everything on the Jews, bro.

01:48:56.120 Like, it's not even, shit that you didn't even imagine is the Jews' fault, right?

01:49:01.740 Like, they got nothing to do with it.

01:49:05.760 Soon they're gonna blame Christmas on the Jews.

01:49:08.120 Oh, that was kind of.

01:49:09.140 The Jews are impressed, but also not cool at the same time.

01:49:15.520 They're like, well.

01:49:16.680 What if they're like, yo, can you blame some good shit, too?

01:49:18.900 Like, we did some good shit, right?

01:49:20.760 Like, y'all like Christianity?

01:49:22.280 Like, you like watching Family Man, don't you?

01:49:24.520 That's one of your favorite Christmas movies, isn't it?

01:49:27.280 Huh?

01:49:27.780 Gangs in New York.

01:49:28.780 Who do you think fucking put that together?

01:49:30.300 All them Christmas carols.

01:49:31.620 They're probably written by Jews.

01:49:33.180 A lot of them are, man.

01:49:34.260 See?

01:49:34.960 It's so funny.

01:49:36.080 Yeah, what are we gonna do?

01:49:37.540 What, um, I'm trying to think of what else is going on, dude, that I was thinking about.

01:49:43.180 What's up in your life, man?

01:49:45.160 Everything's fine, man.

01:49:46.120 I've just been working a lot, you know?

01:49:48.520 Like, last year we really focused on if we had some time off to go and just work, like,

01:49:54.960 go travel to a place to get guests and stuff, you know?

01:49:58.240 Yeah.

01:49:58.620 So it was like a big focus last year to do that.

01:50:01.340 Right, and, uh...

01:50:02.720 Have you taken, like, a vacation?

01:50:04.780 No, not in a while.

01:50:05.640 I was supposed to get one over the holidays and it just didn't happen.

01:50:07.840 Do you like taking time off?

01:50:09.680 Does that feed you at all?

01:50:11.340 Yeah, I need it.

01:50:12.040 I need more of it.

01:50:12.700 And do you enjoy it?

01:50:13.840 Like, is your time off just hanging at a beach or do you like going to, like, a city

01:50:17.340 that you're really interested in, like, learning about the history?

01:50:19.940 Like, what is your version of a...

01:50:22.380 It's just been the beach, really.

01:50:24.320 I think I've been, like, I think I just kind of got, I just put so much work on the calendar

01:50:29.160 that I didn't start to schedule.

01:50:30.820 I would love to take two weeks off and go to, like, a country or something.

01:50:34.100 That'd be awesome.

01:50:34.940 You know?

01:50:35.700 Yeah.

01:50:36.100 So, but then I start to think about that, like, well, I should probably get a girlfriend

01:50:38.900 or, like, a fiancé first because if you go by your...

01:50:41.000 Who are you going to...

01:50:41.360 Unless you get a buddy to go with or something, that could be fun.

01:50:43.640 But it's, like, two weeks.

01:50:45.300 You can't really go by yourself, really, you know?

01:50:47.540 And so then it's like, what are you going to do exactly?

01:50:49.340 I imagine you with, like, a small Asian tour guide.

01:50:52.980 And that's it.

01:50:54.620 Just you guys motorcycling around Vietnam or Cambodia or something.

01:50:58.380 Just say shit to them all the time?

01:50:59.480 Yeah, that would be a deal.

01:51:06.040 But no, traveling alone is cool, too.

01:51:08.820 Cutting him a little, feeding him a little piece of yam or whatever.

01:51:10.920 Yeah, I mean, you don't have to feed them.

01:51:12.240 You know, they might feed themselves out there.

01:51:14.540 The first struggle, Bayard went through.

01:51:16.080 The first struggle was finding all the components, the cotton, the buttons, the zippers, the rivets.

01:51:19.980 Once Bayard did all that, he ended up with his first product, a plain hooded sweatshirt.

01:51:25.620 We already know all this stuff.

01:51:29.020 I was looking at what some of the price issues were and stuff that he faced.

01:51:31.540 But it was a nightmare for this guy to do it.

01:51:33.200 And he couldn't get it done at, like, you know, it came down like $37 or something.

01:51:37.460 Which is, you know, but to do it on a regular basis.

01:51:40.300 And then Walmart decided we're going to support him.

01:51:43.060 We're going to give him, like, a big order.

01:51:44.380 That's fire.

01:51:45.020 So that's kind of where he's at right now.

01:51:45.920 And if you can make a big order, you can obviously, like, reduce the pricing.

01:51:48.820 Right, then you can go ahead to the place and say, look, now I'm going to order this many.

01:51:52.080 Can you give me a better rate, you know?

01:51:53.420 Can you get the material from, does the material also have to come from here?

01:51:57.120 I imagine we have to get all of our material from other countries.

01:51:59.940 That's a good question.

01:52:00.620 Like, are we creating textiles here?

01:52:02.660 That's a good question.

01:52:03.780 It's crazy because you don't know, you know, it's like a lot of this stuff we don't even know.

01:52:06.860 And then you look around and you're like, but if you find out that we can't even, you can't even get a t-shirt here,

01:52:11.800 then you're like, well, fuck, if we're not even making one t-shirt, then what are we making here?

01:52:16.400 I mean, yeah, we're completely reliant.

01:52:18.460 It's a little scary, I guess.

01:52:20.420 That's the thing.

01:52:21.000 It starts to get scary.

01:52:22.200 Because, yeah, I mean, because t-shirts are the least necessary product that we are completely reliant on other countries for.

01:52:32.380 So if we're reliant on t-shirts, what else are we reliant on?

01:52:35.760 Are we reliant on technology in some ways?

01:52:38.580 Like, what are the things that become, like, at-risk topics for us that we're reliant on other countries?

01:52:45.940 Because it's nice to know that you're not reliant or that the entire world is reliant on each other.

01:52:51.660 And if everybody's reliant on each other, okay, then there's, like, a mutually assured destruction.

01:52:55.780 Right.

01:52:55.960 Maybe that's good.

01:52:57.440 Right, just tell us the truth.

01:52:58.700 If we know everything, I would just love it if, like, here's the exact facts.

01:53:02.720 Yo, when do you think, all right, you know how, like, conspiracies are incredibly popular right now?

01:53:06.820 And, like, now everybody kind of knows the conspiracies.

01:53:09.900 So that immediate hit of dopamine you get when you, like, share, like, the real truth with somebody who doesn't know it.

01:53:18.720 Yeah.

01:53:18.940 And when they look at you, they're like, oh, my God, you're so smart or whatever.

01:53:21.680 Yeah.

01:53:21.940 Now that everybody knows the conspiracies, do you think that we start, the pendulum starts to shift back to, like, kind of what really happened?

01:53:32.680 Because the conspiracy is, like, the most exaggerated version of what happened.

01:53:38.260 Yeah.

01:53:38.460 And what really happened is probably pretty boring.

01:53:42.100 Like, the truth of most things is probably pretty fucking boring.

01:53:45.160 Yeah, for sure.

01:53:45.900 It's not what the media has told us.

01:53:47.540 That's for certain.

01:53:48.380 Those are lies, 100%.

01:53:49.840 But it's not what, like, the Reddit historians have said.

01:53:54.580 Yeah.

01:53:54.760 And it's probably in here.

01:53:56.340 And then we all go, ugh.

01:53:58.900 All right.

01:53:59.740 Yeah.

01:54:00.720 Like, that is, I wonder if, like, there's something like that even to the Epstein list.

01:54:04.700 Like, everybody's waiting for this Epstein list.

01:54:06.240 And they're waiting for it to be, like, direct logs where it's, like, Bill Gates paid for anal from a 16-year-old at da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

01:54:13.400 Yeah, 430 or whatever.

01:54:14.860 And then it's, like, name, picture, fucking whatever it is.

01:54:19.760 And then every time they hand out, like, the binder or whatever it is, nothing that crazy comes out.

01:54:25.840 Now, don't get me wrong.

01:54:27.220 I believe he's, like, a prolific pedophile.

01:54:29.780 Like, if he is still alive, fine, man, fucking kill him.

01:54:33.400 The girl, too.

01:54:34.820 Anybody who's involved in it, defended it.

01:54:37.120 Anybody who's on the fucking flight logs, put him in prison.

01:54:39.120 Like, let's, we need some justice here.

01:54:40.920 But have we created an idea of what this is, which is so far removed from what it actually is?

01:54:49.880 Right, and that's why they haven't really, like, this is going to be so upsetting.

01:54:52.600 There's seven people in here.

01:54:53.340 They're going to think we're liars anyway.

01:54:55.460 Right.

01:54:56.200 Like, because imagine they gave us a list and there was, like, 25 people on it.

01:55:00.300 Right?

01:55:00.760 We'd be like, man, you fucking pieces of shit lying to us again.

01:55:04.200 Like, the only thing we would believe if literally every single world leader went in there.

01:55:09.280 Right, yeah, this list better be so, that's why I think they're still, they're probably working with, like, top producers, Eli Roth, like, guys who really can put on a good show, Todd Phillips, you know?

01:55:21.540 How do we sell this story to the American people?

01:55:23.040 Until he did Joker, too, then he was on here, like, he's off.

01:55:25.820 But, yeah, I think, yeah, how do we, what do we, this has, this better be good.

01:55:29.320 Why don't we just get, this is the way I was thinking, we solved it.

01:55:32.380 Like, the guy who gave, who let Epstein manage his money is this guy named Les Wexner or something like that.

01:55:40.480 He's this guy who started Victoria's Secret.

01:55:43.460 And, like, I don't even think Epstein went to college or something.

01:55:46.380 So, like, how the fuck do you end up managing this billionaire's money?

01:55:49.300 Right.

01:55:49.480 This guy's, like, 90 years old.

01:55:51.320 Give him immunity.

01:55:52.960 Just go, yeah, this guy right here.

01:55:54.500 Les Wexner.

01:55:55.200 Les Wexner.

01:55:55.620 Okay?

01:55:56.460 He's a billionaire.

01:55:57.320 He's 87 years old.

01:55:58.560 You just go, listen, you're about to fucking die.

01:56:00.520 Can you just tell us what happened?

01:56:02.180 Right.

01:56:02.660 Tell us what happens.

01:56:04.300 We'll give you immunity.

01:56:06.920 You don't get to die a hero at all.

01:56:08.780 You're a piece of shit that probably funded this whole fucking thing or connected different people to different stuff.

01:56:13.120 We don't know what the fuck you're actually doing.

01:56:14.460 You're involved.

01:56:15.380 But you don't get to die a, well, you're still a diabolical piece of shit.

01:56:19.480 But maybe you do one good thing in your life before you fucking die.

01:56:23.200 And then the American people get some satisfaction.

01:56:25.500 The victims get some satisfaction.

01:56:26.880 We get to actually know what's happening.

01:56:28.780 Yeah.

01:56:28.980 Because I don't even know if we, I don't, I don't know if we actually will get to know what's happening unless somebody who was involved says it specifically.

01:56:35.780 Yeah.

01:56:36.300 And I don't believe Ghislaine because I think her pops was, he was part of Mossad.

01:56:40.520 Right?

01:56:40.800 Yeah.

01:56:40.900 Like, so I don't believe anything she's going to say.

01:56:43.800 So.

01:56:44.640 Yeah, nobody's going to tell the truth.

01:56:46.940 Right?

01:56:47.200 Like.

01:56:47.680 I'm just amazed that that many people wanted to be pedophiles or whatever.

01:56:51.040 So here's the thing.

01:56:52.000 I don't know.

01:56:52.560 That's part of me that doesn't believe that.

01:56:53.500 I'm like, you're telling me.

01:56:54.520 I don't think they wanted to.

01:56:55.900 I think that, I think he was like, yo, I got some young bitches on an island.

01:56:59.420 We're all going to fuck.

01:57:00.120 But I don't think that he said, I have underage women to incriminate you on an island.

01:57:04.260 Right.

01:57:04.520 I think he's like, yo, I got some 20 year old fucking Russian bitches.

01:57:07.780 They're on an island.

01:57:08.580 And all these dudes were like, oh, we're going to go party with Russian bitches?

01:57:11.380 Like, I wonder if it's as simple as like some club promoter going, I got a table full of girls at Tao tonight.

01:57:17.340 You want to party?

01:57:18.020 And people go, well, that sounds like a great idea.

01:57:20.720 Nobody's IDing those girls.

01:57:22.260 Right.

01:57:22.660 And they're for sure on IDing because why would they go, yeah, this guy's going to make me a pedophile this weekend.

01:57:28.000 Yeah.

01:57:28.480 Right?

01:57:29.080 You know what I mean?

01:57:30.220 Like, so, and then maybe afterwards they go, by the way, that girl was this old.

01:57:35.420 Yeah.

01:57:35.760 So I'm going to need you on a certain day to do a favor.

01:57:39.580 That's how I would imagine it would be most effective.

01:57:42.340 And what if some of the girls were not even underage or anything?

01:57:45.620 You don't even know if you got, if you could have somebody say that you're so scared, you're already like, there's some favor in the wind.

01:57:53.640 That alone, the mirage of that, that's the biggest thing.

01:57:57.560 You have no fucking idea.

01:57:58.880 That's a great point too.

01:57:59.700 They don't even have to be.

01:58:00.220 But you're going to be so scared.

01:58:01.180 Like, well, first of all, I don't want to see, I'm so bad at sex, I don't want anybody to see a video of it.

01:58:05.400 Walking a hooker on an island still is bad if you're like a political figure that has a family and you have children.

01:58:10.480 Like, you could be, it could be old, they could be old enough and it's still like, you don't want that out because it ruins your career.

01:58:16.420 Yeah.

01:58:17.020 So yeah, there are many ways to, to do it.

01:58:20.220 That, yeah.

01:58:20.720 I mean, it's definitely, and then it's like, how do you doctor all that up to present it to the American?

01:58:25.160 Because it's a fucking, you have to find, you have to serve a Mona Lisa to the American people.

01:58:31.460 There's, because there's no, but then they're like, we have to make sure all these people that information,

01:58:35.400 information that's released, but maybe some of that's true.

01:58:37.200 If like you put information and it has a name in it that you're not sure.

01:58:39.800 And then you get sued by that person.

01:58:41.700 Or you got to protect these girls who are underage and they were raped by these famous people.

01:58:44.780 And like, they have moved on with their lives.

01:58:47.120 They got families.

01:58:47.920 Do they want their information out there in the world?

01:58:50.440 Yeah.

01:58:50.560 Probably not.

01:58:51.620 They're like, I don't want to relive that shit.

01:58:52.980 So redact me or whatever that term is.

01:58:55.600 Yeah.

01:58:55.660 But yeah, I just feel like we're at this point where like, if we're going through this phase in America,

01:59:01.140 where we are, we're an all time low trust in all of our institutions.

01:59:05.000 And what happens from here?

01:59:06.060 There's two ways we go.

01:59:07.300 Talk, talk to me.

01:59:08.080 It gets better somehow.

01:59:09.460 Or.

01:59:10.500 Or it starts to devolve even more.

01:59:14.160 And crazier, see, it gets deeper and deeper.

01:59:16.260 It's so funny because I've had both feelings yesterday.

01:59:18.840 I had the feeling like, holy shit, dude.

01:59:20.400 Like, nobody's going to know where to trust anything anymore.

01:59:24.660 It's going to get really interesting.

01:59:28.480 Or you start being honest.

01:59:30.520 Like, that's kind of, that's, that's why.

01:59:33.480 Right.

01:59:33.760 Or you start being honest.

01:59:34.820 And, and like, you know, we're Americans.

01:59:37.560 We can deal with shit.

01:59:38.800 Like, we've dealt with horrible things before in our past.

01:59:42.000 Even as humans, we can.

01:59:43.160 That's it.

01:59:43.560 So it's like, and I think there's a version where like, accepting these things and moving on

01:59:49.820 allows us to have even more pride.

01:59:52.840 Where right now we're in this like, age of like, ambiguity.

01:59:56.260 We're like, we want to be really proud.

01:59:58.580 But we're like, but is some of this shit true?

02:00:00.980 Like, we're just unsure.

02:00:02.460 Yeah.

02:00:02.620 Let us accept it.

02:00:03.840 Let's accept these, the stains on our history.

02:00:06.700 And then let's move on and make greater history.

02:00:09.520 Let's make greater things to be proud of.

02:00:11.600 I think it's a moment in history to be proud of where your, an administration comes in.

02:00:15.820 They go, listen, we, uh, unfortunately the government let these, uh, food companies poison

02:00:20.760 you, you know, and a lot of people are negatively impacted like that.

02:00:23.340 A lot of people got cancer probably because of food that they were eating.

02:00:25.940 And that's, that's fucked up.

02:00:27.340 That's horrible.

02:00:28.140 And we're going to either punish some of those food organizations or bare minimum, we're

02:00:32.440 going to make it illegal for them to do that shit.

02:00:34.300 Hey, some of these pharmaceutical companies, they were jabbing you up with shit that you

02:00:37.560 didn't need to be jabbed up with.

02:00:38.780 And they were doing that so they could profit.

02:00:40.420 We're going to either punish them or we're going to stop allowing them to do it.

02:00:43.220 So the next generation of Americans doesn't have to go through what you guys went through.

02:00:46.500 And then you go, you know, what's fire about America?

02:00:50.060 We realized when we fucked up and we have the energy and excitement and the confidence,

02:00:56.300 the self-esteem to go, all right, we're changing it.

02:00:58.660 And we're going to live up to the expectations that we have for ourselves.

02:01:01.800 Yeah.

02:01:02.140 And I, that's why I like, you could say whatever you want about RFK.

02:01:05.420 Okay, it seems to me what he wants to do is make a positive change for people.

02:01:10.460 Let's see if he's able to do it.

02:01:11.640 But in terms of making America healthy or whatever the slogan is, why would you not want America

02:01:17.220 to be more healthy?

02:01:18.080 Like, give the guy a second to fucking try it.

02:01:20.700 Like every minute they're like, this is the problem today.

02:01:23.020 And then that becomes a story every day.

02:01:25.020 It's just like how fucked up it is.

02:01:26.300 And I have friends now that are addicted to the news and I'm just like, dude, just live

02:01:30.060 your life.

02:01:30.520 See, everything's going to probably be fine.

02:01:32.220 It's already been fine.

02:01:33.120 We're already damaged.

02:01:33.880 We all have cancer or whatever, everything, you know, we're doing our best and shit.

02:01:37.780 And like, um, you know, how drastically bad do you expect things to get?

02:01:42.760 You know?

02:01:44.180 Wouldn't it be cool?

02:01:45.100 Like this, this is all I said.

02:01:47.260 Like, obviously I, you know, I have a daughter, so I'm like, and she's of the age, we're going

02:01:50.680 through vaccines and stuff.

02:01:51.560 And it's terrifying.

02:01:52.280 You know, I was talking to Joe about this.

02:01:53.400 It was like, it's the most terrifying thing you've ever experienced in your life is you have

02:01:56.520 the most perfect thing you've ever created and you have to put something in them.

02:01:59.260 And you've watched a video on YouTube that says that it could do something horrible to her.

02:02:02.940 But if you don't do it, she could get some disease that could do something horrible to

02:02:06.060 her.

02:02:06.300 So you're like, what, how do I protect my kid?

02:02:08.920 There, there's a fork in the road and both potentially leads to horrible.

02:02:12.720 How do I protect my kid?

02:02:14.240 I would love nothing more than to do like an intense, like, and I'm sure they've already

02:02:18.320 done this.

02:02:18.800 So if you have and call me an idiot, that's fine.

02:02:20.900 I'm an idiot, whatever.

02:02:21.480 Or, but like intense, like research into, you know, the vaccinations and I would love

02:02:25.760 nothing more if we found out, Hey, you know what it, it looks like they are safe for them.

02:02:29.580 And there's very low chance cause of anything negative for your kid.

02:02:33.120 How much nicer would that feel than right now?

02:02:35.740 What all of us new parents are feeling, which are like, do I have to delay it?

02:02:39.320 Like which ones, how do I protect my child?

02:02:41.820 Like, like, just like, we want the research.

02:02:46.600 We want it.

02:02:47.600 It's yeah, we want to know.

02:02:49.400 And I think if you gave Bobby an out where, you know, if even if it was 20 minutes a week

02:02:53.380 where he gave a speech or something, and maybe that he should start doing that to update

02:02:56.860 people, uh, Robert Kennedy Jr.

02:02:58.920 To say, Hey, this is where things are at and we're going to try our best.

02:03:01.980 And this is what we're going to try to do.

02:03:03.260 Maybe that would be great to have some sort of an address.

02:03:05.580 Love it.

02:03:05.960 You know, Trump's addresses, sometimes they're so, you know, they're Trumpian, you know, they're

02:03:09.320 just like kind of the bare facts and like, you know, we're going to win type shit.

02:03:13.520 So maybe if you had Vance give something that was a little bit more elongated and a little

02:03:17.700 bit more, um, had a little bit more, uh, personal notation and feeling to it.

02:03:23.560 Like a, you know, FDR do that.

02:03:25.040 I think they were called the fireside.

02:03:26.440 Oh yeah.

02:03:27.260 Where he was talking to people.

02:03:28.400 I think you're right.

02:03:28.800 We might need something like that, dude, because there's so much muck out there.

02:03:32.400 There's so much bullshit information.

02:03:33.900 And like, we're guilty of that too.

02:03:35.200 We just spout whatever on the fucking mic and who knows if it's true or not.

02:03:38.240 But it'd be nice if we had information disseminated from the people in power, it might be wrong

02:03:44.760 or we might be right, but they are the people in power.

02:03:46.620 So we can at least hold them to that standard.

02:03:48.960 If they say that they're doing this specific thing and we disagree with it, we can be like,

02:03:52.140 I disagree with that.

02:03:53.300 Yeah.

02:03:53.580 But if Bobby's coming out and he's going, listen, we're getting the red dye out of here.

02:03:57.260 It doesn't benefit anybody.

02:03:59.180 There are other ways to create, uh, I don't know, sugar coloring substitutes that are less

02:04:03.440 harmful to you.

02:04:04.980 Does anybody disagree with this?

02:04:06.220 Everybody goes, no.

02:04:07.940 Okay.

02:04:08.780 Done.

02:04:09.300 Right.

02:04:10.220 Thanks.

02:04:10.740 Yeah.

02:04:10.860 There's still so many people that just want somebody to be wrong all the time, you know?

02:04:14.320 So maybe that'll start to go away.

02:04:15.800 I don't know.

02:04:16.520 But yeah, I think if I wake up each day and I looked at everything as politics and stuff

02:04:20.140 and, um, it would just, it just starts to wear on you.

02:04:23.560 And then that algorithm learns you and then you're a fucking puppet.

02:04:26.180 You become a puppet.

02:04:27.260 What else is going on?

02:04:28.120 Let's think of something in entertainment.

02:04:29.660 I'm trying to think of something.

02:04:30.480 Um, was there a job that you had when you were young that you miss ever?

02:04:35.480 Hmm.

02:04:36.880 That you were like, I'm fucking good at this shit.

02:04:39.140 It wasn't that I was good at it, but I liked mowing lawns.

02:04:42.440 Like I felt like, uh, uh, accomplished afterwards.

02:04:46.080 Like, uh, I, I'd look at it and I'd go, wow, I did that.

02:04:50.320 That was kind of annoying.

02:04:51.380 It was hard.

02:04:51.900 But, uh, there, here's this thing that I did and it looks better now and I felt proud

02:04:56.560 of it.

02:04:56.860 And, uh, I think there's a version of that in creating stuff in general, but I think

02:05:02.120 very early I, I, I like to, to work on something and then see the thing I created.

02:05:07.540 And, uh, so yeah, there was something really nice to that, uh, about that.

02:05:11.880 It's, I, now I get to do a job where I like the actual work part and I like seeing the

02:05:17.220 end product.

02:05:18.040 I didn't enjoy the work part of it, but, but yeah, I think, I think that, you know, I'm

02:05:24.820 trying to think, I mean, I just worked in like restaurants.

02:05:27.740 Oh yeah, you definitely did.

02:05:29.660 I can see you for sure.

02:05:31.920 For sure.

02:05:32.920 You, I did.

02:05:33.380 What restaurants was I working at?

02:05:34.800 Oh, obviously he macaroni grill, dude, dude, you wore a cape at macaroni grill.

02:05:40.820 I'm sure there's no way you didn't.

02:05:42.700 We didn't have a macaroni grill in the city, man.

02:05:44.820 Hey, look, we needed a macaroni grill.

02:05:47.240 That's your origin story.

02:05:48.120 I worked at a pizza shop.

02:05:49.320 I do, I do look like I could pull off pizza shop, right?

02:05:55.540 Looked like I was arguing with Spike Lee.

02:05:59.540 I'm trying to think of whatever I'm trying to think.

02:06:01.420 What about you?

02:06:02.520 I worked at pizza shop, man.

02:06:03.760 I love that shit, dude.

02:06:05.040 What was the first time, do you remember the first time as a kid that you made, made money

02:06:10.040 and like the feeling of that?

02:06:12.240 Oh yeah.

02:06:13.420 We had, uh, they'd pay you to clean up, we had like wishing wells in our town or whatever

02:06:17.640 and they'd pay you to clean them out, like the city, like.

02:06:19.520 To like take the coins out of it.

02:06:20.520 Yeah, get in there, like get to take a ladder down and get all the shit out and stuff.

02:06:23.340 And there's like, people throw fucking, like a lot of use, like to go orders and shit

02:06:29.400 in that bitch, a lot of Popeye's in that bitch, uh, decent amount of money, not as much as

02:06:34.240 you would think.

02:06:34.880 Yeah.

02:06:35.460 Um, so we found a fucking sword had blood on it one time or like a pretty scalabird or

02:06:40.940 whatever.

02:06:41.280 Yeah.

02:06:41.600 Um, but yeah, cleaning out that, cleaning out those one summer, that was probably the

02:06:47.340 first job I ever had really, but get you a little bit of money, hide my money too.

02:06:52.580 Really?

02:06:52.960 I used to put my money in a crown royal bag, hide it in the yard.

02:06:56.280 How old were you?

02:06:56.860 Dig a hole and hide it, probably 11, maybe 12.

02:06:59.960 Hide that fucking bag.

02:07:00.400 That's a nice bag.

02:07:01.460 That bitch was nice boy.

02:07:02.700 You keep that bag, isn't that weird?

02:07:04.140 Yep, had some doubloons in it that I caught at some of the parades and like the Mardi Gras

02:07:07.960 parades.

02:07:08.480 It's, there's just these little medallions kind of like, they're not worth, they're not

02:07:11.580 worth any money, but they had pictures of like different historical figures from Louisiana

02:07:15.540 on them cause you catch them at Mardi Gras and I'd put them in a bag and hide them in

02:07:18.900 the yard.

02:07:19.700 And why do you think you were hiding your, your, didn't trust anybody in the house?

02:07:23.520 I knew everybody in that bitch.

02:07:24.860 Yeah.

02:07:25.220 Really?

02:07:25.600 My three siblings and my mom, I was burying that shit.

02:07:28.260 I ain't fucking laughing.

02:07:28.880 Do you still talk to your siblings?

02:07:30.120 Oh yeah, we talk now.

02:07:31.340 Things are good now, but at the time I didn't trust anybody in that pastor, dude, cause I was

02:07:35.520 sneaking in their room and stealing shit.

02:07:37.160 So that's the thing.

02:07:38.960 That's where it comes from.

02:07:40.520 That's the, when you ain't shit, you assume other people ain't shit.

02:07:44.240 It starts here though.

02:07:45.940 Oh bro, yeah.

02:07:46.680 It starts here though.

02:07:48.220 I don't trust me so much that I don't trust you.

02:07:54.300 That's crazy, dude.

02:07:56.240 What else, man?

02:07:56.980 What's up with the culture?

02:07:57.800 How's black stuff going over there?

02:07:59.300 I know, um, they have that new rapper, Gen Lee.

02:08:02.140 Have you seen him?

02:08:03.060 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:08:04.580 Yeah, I thought it was Gen Lee.

02:08:06.280 Is it gin?

02:08:07.160 Like gin for ginger.

02:08:08.480 Well, first of all, he's a black dude that says the, sorry, he's a white dude that says

02:08:11.660 the N word, right?

02:08:12.260 He put two N's in it, so he misspelled it, so he could be either one.

02:08:16.740 That's all I'm saying, but.

02:08:18.420 But yeah, he's a.

02:08:19.980 It's interesting.

02:08:20.940 Yeah, he is.

02:08:21.600 And he's like, he's, he's confident saying it.

02:08:24.460 He seems really like he's from that culture.

02:08:27.120 Yeah.

02:08:27.820 So now are we witnessing that word become more of a cultural thing and not a specific

02:08:33.800 race thing?

02:08:34.780 That's what I wonder, because I'm just wondering, like, say you're so much a part of the culture,

02:08:37.840 and it seems like he is, like he has black friends, he says the word around them.

02:08:42.120 If you're so much a part of it, but then you can't say that, are you, then does that feel

02:08:47.920 like the culture isn't saying, well, you're, you're, you're here, but you're not, you're

02:08:52.460 not.

02:08:52.820 So I have no idea, but it's just, it's interesting.

02:08:55.700 It is interesting, it is interesting, because it is like, so I guess when I was growing

02:08:59.260 up in New York, it was a thing that white people, we would never say, and you could

02:09:03.940 not say, but like Puerto Ricans that were kind of like white presenting would say it,

02:09:09.660 and that was fine.

02:09:10.460 Yeah.

02:09:11.540 I think even like Mexicans were kind of saying it, sometimes even Asians would say it, but

02:09:17.060 it felt really like a word white people were not allowed to say, obviously because of the

02:09:21.020 historical context, right?

02:09:22.320 But that situation right there is quite interesting.

02:09:26.520 Like if he did grow up in this culture, maybe it's his friend's way of saying, we don't see

02:09:32.460 you as different, bro.

02:09:33.560 Right?

02:09:33.920 Like we, we actually see you as one of us and we don't feel any negative sentiment when

02:09:39.960 you say it.

02:09:40.440 And this is our way of saying, we accept you and you're not different.

02:09:43.860 Maybe, again, I don't know.

02:09:44.980 I'd have to ask them.

02:09:45.860 Whereas like if somebody else said it, who is not from the culture at all, they'd be

02:09:51.160 like, yeah, you can't say that.

02:09:52.120 And that's their way of saying, you're not from the culture, bro.

02:09:54.000 Right.

02:09:54.360 Like you are not, you are, you're a visitor here and you're not allowed to say that thing.

02:09:57.960 Right.

02:09:59.160 Yeah.

02:09:59.460 That's kind of a hard thing.

02:10:00.300 I'm just saying, I just think it's interesting.

02:10:01.980 It's kind of interesting because you have people defending him online.

02:10:05.200 You have people calling him out online.

02:10:06.600 Yeah.

02:10:06.800 Um, and then some of his music is great, man.

02:10:09.720 I mean, it's, it's catchy.

02:10:11.080 I'm curious to see like, it's, yeah, it's like, and some of the lines he's saying, like,

02:10:14.800 you know, don't get in trouble cause of my shit.

02:10:17.540 Like, you know, I'm not saying this cause I'm, I'm just saying this cause this is who

02:10:21.060 I am.

02:10:21.620 Right.

02:10:21.780 He even expresses in like that stand on it song.

02:10:24.120 Like don't, don't get in it.

02:10:27.040 Don't repeat my shit just to get in.

02:10:28.720 And then now you get in trouble.

02:10:29.520 Right.

02:10:29.900 Which I think is, yeah, that's empathetic.

02:10:31.900 It's at least giving his story.

02:10:33.160 Right.

02:10:33.720 Cause he probably is aware that, oh shit, white kids might see me doing this.

02:10:36.780 And then they think it's okay for them to do it.

02:10:39.020 And now they're getting fucked up.

02:10:40.540 And so he's like, listen, your life might not be my life.

02:10:44.020 Like, like, right.

02:10:45.820 At least you put a safety precaution on this shit.

02:10:48.000 Like a lot of people.

02:10:49.500 That's like better than the parental advisory.

02:10:51.960 It's just, there's a, there's a white disclaimer.

02:10:54.200 Yo, you are not me.

02:10:57.100 Yeah.

02:10:57.500 Yeah.

02:10:57.780 Yeah.

02:10:58.000 That's a ginger advisory right there.

02:10:59.960 That's a ginger advisory, dude.

02:11:01.960 But this is going to, this could potentially open up gateways for some gingers to say the

02:11:06.360 and we're in some spicy, some, because they've long been looming on the edge of the culture.

02:11:11.820 The ring around Saturn, they call them.

02:11:14.020 And it's like, it'd be interesting to see what happens.

02:11:17.400 Yeah.

02:11:17.640 Do we, that's something like, we got to ask ourselves, like, are we fully accepting of

02:11:21.600 gingers?

02:11:22.020 Like are white people fully accepting of the gingers?

02:11:25.360 I mean, look, I don't, you know.

02:11:26.960 Are you even, what are you, you're like part something, right?

02:11:29.180 My father's from Nicaragua and my mother's just white.

02:11:32.000 Yeah.

02:11:32.700 But, um, I don't, you know, I've thought, you know, yeah, I'm not a name word guy.

02:11:37.280 You're not dropping it.

02:11:37.980 I'm not that, fuck no.

02:11:39.160 What am I fucking trying to prove to somebody?

02:11:41.020 But I do remember they had like this cool band.

02:11:43.140 I went to a black fraternity and we'll get you out of here in a second.

02:11:45.140 Which one?

02:11:46.120 Um, I wasn't in one.

02:11:47.760 It was like Snoop or something.

02:11:49.600 New, uh, uh, Theta Noop or something.

02:11:54.400 Bring up a couple of black fraternities over there.

02:11:56.760 Southern.

02:11:57.580 Alpha, what is it?

02:11:58.940 University.

02:11:59.640 Alpha Kappa Psi.

02:12:00.440 Alpha.

02:12:01.200 Oh, Beta, Phi Beta, uh, Kappa Alpha Psi.

02:12:04.900 That might've been it.

02:12:06.000 The Kappas are, have you seen the Kappas before?

02:12:08.160 Kappas are cool.

02:12:08.780 They like, they got like a cane and they do like these cool dances with the cane.

02:12:12.680 My boy was, my boy was a Kappas in college and, uh, they could have been it.

02:12:17.860 They were like swagged out.

02:12:18.900 And then the, uh, what is the, the Omegas?

02:12:21.580 Those are like the, uh, the athlete.

02:12:23.460 That's like the athlete for that.

02:12:24.440 Oh, really?

02:12:25.240 You know, Shaq.

02:12:25.740 Omega Psi Phi.

02:12:26.320 Yeah.

02:12:26.940 Oh, Shaq has that.

02:12:28.000 The Q-Dogs.

02:12:28.380 Oh, that thing.

02:12:28.880 Q-Dogs.

02:12:29.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:12:30.000 I think it was Q-Dog shit, right?

02:12:31.500 They invited, they had like a, it was like, it was a, it was Nickelback, but it was black

02:12:36.060 guys doing it, right?

02:12:37.060 It was like, um.

02:12:37.940 Don't even say it.

02:12:39.780 Don't even say it.

02:12:40.720 Don't even say the name of that cover band.

02:12:44.480 Don't even say the name of the Nickelback black cover band, Theo.

02:12:51.540 We've almost done the whole pod, okay?

02:12:54.260 We did a good job.

02:12:55.880 We did a good job.

02:12:57.460 I know you're trying to bait me with this, Jin Lee.

02:13:00.260 We did a good job today, okay?

02:13:04.080 We did a good job today, Theo.

02:13:05.880 Hear me out.

02:13:06.420 Here we go.

02:13:09.080 Light it on fire.

02:13:10.240 Light it on fire.

02:13:11.040 It was just a great, I was like, this is a crazy cover band.

02:13:14.940 Don't do it.

02:13:16.340 And then one of their songs was like, oh, this is how you remind me?

02:13:22.320 It's not, it's.

02:13:23.780 Okay, so they're doing like hip hop renditions.

02:13:30.980 Hip hop renditions of Nickelback.

02:13:33.800 Nickelback.

02:13:34.340 And just make sure you say it right, yeah.

02:13:36.140 We don't even have to go into it.

02:13:37.520 That's so crazy how we all know exactly how it was spelled.

02:13:41.200 But yeah, look, I just felt welcome to be in the building, so that's all I'm saying, dude.

02:13:45.140 This is how you remind me.

02:13:50.580 You're not mean.

02:13:55.120 Never made it as a wise man, kid.

02:13:58.140 We got to spit that whole song right now.

02:14:01.380 Spit that whole shit right now, Theo.

02:14:03.600 I don't want to have it, dude.

02:14:05.580 Couldn't cut it as a poor man's feelings.

02:14:08.560 We got to stop.

02:14:09.300 It's only going to get worse.

02:14:10.680 Congratulations on life.

02:14:11.920 The new special's out now.

02:14:12.980 Congratulations on me and dad, man.

02:14:14.560 Thank you, buddy.

02:14:16.120 Yeah, thanks for being just somebody.

02:14:18.580 Yeah, it's good to have like that.

02:14:20.660 There's different podcasters in different parts of the country and different parts of like the world, you know.

02:14:27.220 And it's just we're lucky to be able to do this and to be able to spend these conversations.

02:14:31.440 I got to come up there and get on your pod this summer, man.

02:14:37.040 Oh, please, man.

02:14:37.640 I want you on Flagrant and I want you on Brilliant Idiots, man.

02:14:40.380 I'll be up there in April, I think, for a week.

02:14:43.140 You and Charlotte got to kick it, man.

02:14:44.580 We got to get together, I know.

02:14:46.260 Even if we just go grab a drink, I think you guys would hit it off, bro.

02:14:49.160 Oh, I'm sure we would.

02:14:50.360 You guys have great vibes.

02:14:51.540 He's incredible, man.

02:14:52.680 He's incredible.

02:14:53.600 I've only heard good things, man.

02:14:54.860 It would be an honor.

02:14:55.840 But thank you so much for your time, dude.

02:14:57.240 Thank you, bro.

02:14:57.380 I know it's very valuable and it means a lot and I just appreciate it.

02:15:00.060 Congrats on everything, man.

02:15:01.280 You too, man.

02:15:01.580 Super stoked for you, bro.

02:15:02.640 Super stoked.

02:15:02.780 Congratulations.

02:15:03.420 Dude, this jacket.

02:15:04.140 Zach Bryan gave me this jacket.

02:15:05.260 It's very hot in here.

02:15:06.240 I saw.

02:15:06.780 I saw in the back.

02:15:07.420 I was trying to fit in a little, so it's as black as I get today, brother.

02:15:11.340 The Zach Bryan tour jacket.

02:15:15.080 It kind of shows you where I'm at, you know?

02:15:19.280 Thanks, man.

02:15:19.920 All right.

02:15:20.120 You bet, man.

02:15:20.520 Thanks.

02:15:20.840 Oh, that was great.

02:15:22.160 Now, I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.

02:15:28.100 I must be cornerstone.

02:15:33.260 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.

02:15:38.820 I can feel it in my bones.

02:15:43.080 But it's gonna take...

02:15:45.160 I can feel it in my bones.

This Past Weekend with Theo Von - March 19, 2025

#569 - Andrew Schulz

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