This Past Weekend with Theo Von - #578

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00:00:30.000 Today's guest is an actor, a writer, a director.

00:00:33.500 He's won an Oscar award.

00:00:36.380 You know his movies, like Good Will Hunting, Gone Girl, Batman.

00:00:42.120 The list goes on.

00:00:43.900 He has a new film, The Accountant 2.

00:00:46.680 It's in theaters this Friday with Jon Bernthal.

00:00:49.780 You may have seen the first one.

00:00:51.240 I had a great time getting to know him.

00:00:53.380 Today's guest is Mr. Ben Affleck.

00:00:56.060 Shine on me.

00:00:59.300 And I will find a song I've been singing.

00:01:04.760 I love this.

00:01:05.680 Yeah, I lost my...

00:01:14.400 I wonder if you lose vanity as you get a little bit older.

00:01:17.420 Like, not you, but like do you...

00:01:18.680 What is that?

00:01:19.300 I don't know.

00:01:19.680 I see some people like...

00:01:21.060 I don't know.

00:01:21.760 It's hard to tell because, you know, you see some people like doing crazy looking things

00:01:27.560 and you think like, that looks crazy.

00:01:29.140 Why are you trying to look 18 years old?

00:01:30.600 You know what I mean?

00:01:31.860 Oh, like the guy who's on Celebrity Big Brother right now.

00:01:34.080 Who's that guy?

00:01:34.820 He kind of looks like Jack Sparrow.

00:01:36.260 I don't know what you're talking about, but I can imagine.

00:01:39.540 You know what I mean?

00:01:40.140 You kind of can...

00:01:41.720 I think you can go one of two ways.

00:01:44.880 Like, if you see yourself all the time, and especially if like the way you make a living

00:01:49.140 is by kind of in part the way you look or whatever, it feels like, you know, people

00:01:54.720 can get like obsessed with it.

00:01:56.320 You know what I mean?

00:01:57.440 Yeah, that's kind of who I was thinking of.

00:01:58.580 Mickey Rourke, I think.

00:02:00.000 Yeah.

00:02:00.660 No, no judgment against him, but he just, you know, it's like you can, it's definitely

00:02:04.500 an active, yeah, some people it's like an active thing.

00:02:07.260 And then you're in a real kind of like conundrum with yourself because you have to get old

00:02:12.420 so then you would constantly be feeling like afraid to get older, I guess, or you'd be

00:02:17.420 in like in a...

00:02:18.200 Yeah, I think it's a tricky thing, right?

00:02:19.540 Like, you know, nobody wants to get older, right?

00:02:21.940 Because what it means is like you're going to die and nobody wants to really face that.

00:02:25.180 And also you just find out like, you know, I, you know, you're 50, man.

00:02:30.100 You'll, when you get there, you'll see like just regular shit that used to be normal hurts.

00:02:34.500 Like moving around, you're like, damn, what happened to me today?

00:02:37.220 You're like, oh, I, why is my back hurt?

00:02:38.640 Oh, because I got up and then I sat back down, you know what I mean?

00:02:41.400 Yeah, I petted a small dog.

00:02:42.680 Movement creates like small injuries all the time, you know?

00:02:45.360 And so you start to get a little bit, that, that can kind of affect you.

00:02:48.180 And I think if you, I think part of it's you got to just get comfortable with the fact

00:02:52.920 that, you know, and I guess I'm lucky cause I'm, I don't feel like, oh shit, I better

00:02:57.100 look young and I, you know, kind of am who I am and, and, um, I'm all right with that.

00:03:02.440 And also kind of what I, what I like, what I'm interested in more and more is stuff that

00:03:06.840 doesn't necessarily involve like how I look like that pressure.

00:03:10.820 I think like for women, I, for me, for anybody who's sees himself all the time, it's like,

00:03:16.840 I think that can turn into like a, a vicious cycle of, uh, trying to look at shit and fix

00:03:22.700 it or look younger or something.

00:03:24.460 Uh, whereas like, you don't have to look any kind of way to direct movies, you know what

00:03:28.420 I mean?

00:03:28.720 Or, or have a business, you know?

00:03:29.900 So I'm, I'm, I guess I'm lucky.

00:03:31.340 You love me.

00:03:31.900 Do you, it's hard to know if you, it would seem like you seem like a guy who likes being

00:03:36.400 in Hollywood or doesn't like being in Hollywood, I guess.

00:03:39.440 There's things I really like about it and things I really don't like.

00:03:42.000 Yeah.

00:03:42.220 Right.

00:03:42.460 And I wish they didn't have to be together, but they are right.

00:03:45.640 Like it's kind of life is there's, you got to take the good with the bad.

00:03:49.200 I don't really like to like do big social events or go out much.

00:03:53.780 I'm kind of sure.

00:03:54.600 I don't really want to be on care.

00:03:56.160 Certainly when I'm like in my regular life and I'm walking around in my, you know, whatever

00:04:00.980 underwear and t-shirts, I don't want people looking at me.

00:04:03.860 I like my family and my kids and my life.

00:04:06.140 I wish that were more private.

00:04:07.740 I don't, I don't know how many people really want to be sort of scrutinized in that way,

00:04:12.620 but I, I really like making movies and I like telling those stories.

00:04:15.700 And so look, the truth is I always knew that was kind of a part of it.

00:04:19.600 And so, you know, I deal with it.

00:04:21.040 I don't, there's things I, I don't love about this business.

00:04:25.180 A lot of them, you know, it can make you kind of crazy, you know, it can record and there's

00:04:30.460 stuff that's just no fun for me.

00:04:31.840 Like, you know, events and shows and stuff like that.

00:04:34.660 I don't, some people really know how to have a good time.

00:04:36.920 I wish I, I did.

00:04:37.740 I wish I was out there like, great, we're going to hit it.

00:04:39.600 And I'm going to, you know what I mean?

00:04:40.540 Like, as if I had that attitude, I'd probably be happier about it.

00:04:43.260 Yeah.

00:04:43.720 You know what I mean?

00:04:44.220 Yeah, dude.

00:04:44.760 I'm always trapped inside of myself.

00:04:47.180 There's always like a lot of this, like, so we were like, you don't like being in a crowd.

00:04:50.480 I'm like, I have a crowd inside of me right now.

00:04:52.740 There's a crowd in my head.

00:04:53.760 I got 30 people in here and we're out of hors d'oeuvres.

00:04:58.600 So I got enough fucking problems on the interior right now.

00:05:03.560 So I can talk, dude, I can totally, I can totally relate to that.

00:05:06.960 And every time there is an, and then we'll get off this.

00:05:10.680 I want to talk, I know you, I want to talk to you about directing and acting, but because

00:05:14.540 yeah, I was just, I was like, this bit is so, because they always get pictures of you

00:05:17.860 where you seem like you're like the, the, the dwarf that like is kind of like the backup

00:05:21.660 dwarf, you know, like you're on the side, you're smoky, you're like, what is that guy?

00:05:24.820 I didn't, I don't know that character, but it was like, is he pissed?

00:05:30.000 Yeah, he's an understudy.

00:05:31.320 He's the understudy dwarf.

00:05:32.580 Okay.

00:05:33.520 And not dwarf, like you're a regular heighted guy, but it's like, but I shouldn't have said

00:05:37.540 dwarf, I shouldn't say anything, but it was like, um, I don't know.

00:05:40.300 They all, and it's like, they only put this chronology out of you that makes you seem like

00:05:43.840 you're kind of bummed.

00:05:44.860 Well, here's the thing, um, if the only time, like when somebody is taking a picture

00:05:50.240 of me, I'm bummed because usually I'm with my kids, I'm trying to go somewhere and then

00:05:54.140 there's four guys who are like, and I'm like, Hey man, every time, can you give me some time?

00:05:58.240 I'm trying to be with my kids.

00:05:59.220 I'm, do you mind?

00:06:00.240 Can you, you know what I mean?

00:06:01.320 So the look on your face is kind of like, and then they go away and not taking the picture

00:06:04.700 or you go inside and you're having a good time.

00:06:06.120 But it's this selective experience of like, take a picture of somebody every time they're feeling

00:06:10.940 irritated, they're going to look irritated.

00:06:12.760 Especially if you're the one irritating them.

00:06:15.580 Yeah.

00:06:15.780 It's like, I'll come piss you off and then take your picture and then put, and then be

00:06:18.880 like, look, I'm pissed off.

00:06:21.020 That's exactly what, that's exactly what that whole system is really.

00:06:24.900 Right.

00:06:25.140 But, and it's like useful.

00:06:26.260 Cause that's why, like, you know, I'm sure you've seen on all this stuff like the, you

00:06:29.560 know, that's kind of the idea is like fall somebody around antagonize them.

00:06:33.640 And then hopefully they'll have like a nervous breakdown and go crazy on you.

00:06:36.820 And then your video be worth more money, you know?

00:06:39.100 Yeah.

00:06:39.320 It's, it's such a, it's that whole thing gets really black mirrorish, man.

00:06:42.900 You know, it really gets kind of like, um,

00:06:45.280 like I can remember a long time ago, you know, years and years ago, like I really had a lot

00:06:52.760 of empathy for Britney Spears because I remember that it seemed like, I mean, it's not somebody

00:06:57.000 that I, I knew or hung out with, but I just like everybody else, you see all this shit

00:07:01.360 that comes through and I, but having had my own experiences myself, I knew like these are

00:07:06.700 people are following her around in a time where she may or may not have been having difficulty.

00:07:12.160 I don't know, cause I don't know her, but I do know that the, the cycle of having people

00:07:17.140 harangue you and yell at you and hassle you and follow you, it kind of seemed like that

00:07:21.140 itself was kind of whipping up the whole thing into a tizzy.

00:07:24.240 So it's, it's like, they're not helping.

00:07:26.780 Well, yeah.

00:07:27.280 And they're, they're kind of poking a stick at it and going, look, look, look at it.

00:07:30.840 And that's where it felt kind of like, that's the first time I thought this is kind of a,

00:07:35.740 a weird kind of, um, uh, unintentional, I think culturally, but kind of collective cruelty

00:07:42.020 where what's taken out of the image that you see are the people around, you know, waving

00:07:49.640 the stick at the tiger or poking on it or whatever.

00:07:52.480 Um, and you, all you see is the, the growling animal or whatever it is.

00:07:56.980 Um, but like that, a part of that is because somebody's coming around and, you know, uh,

00:08:01.900 hitting on it or whatever to make it get active.

00:08:04.120 And that's where you think, okay, well, this isn't really news.

00:08:07.160 It's not even real.

00:08:08.280 It's not what would be happening if this effect wasn't taking place.

00:08:12.140 And, and that's where I thought, okay, you know, the, the sort of wise thing to do is

00:08:16.340 to just sort of like maintain one's perspective and try to remove yourself a little bit.

00:08:20.040 It doesn't, which is what I would like to do.

00:08:22.720 I think there's this sense that, that like, if you see someone's picture all the time,

00:08:26.660 they must want you to be seeing it, right?

00:08:29.240 Which is not the case at all for me.

00:08:31.320 I'm self-conscious.

00:08:32.260 I don't really want you to be seeing that.

00:08:33.660 I don't see any reason for it as an actor.

00:08:36.040 It's no good for you because I don't really want people.

00:08:39.080 If they watch a movie to be like, that's not him.

00:08:41.600 Cause I saw him yesterday at lunch and I know he's who he really is.

00:08:45.000 It gets in the way of you being able to create like the illusion.

00:08:48.880 It's really hard work to create the illusion that this person, like the character in the

00:08:54.300 accountant too, for example, is a real person in a real circumstance in order to get the

00:08:58.700 audience to care about it, to laugh, to find it exciting and empathize with the character.

00:09:03.000 They have to suspend disbelief.

00:09:04.520 That's harder if you're constantly being shown something else.

00:09:08.400 So I think it, it gets in the way.

00:09:10.040 It makes it harder to, to be an actor.

00:09:11.760 And it's also just, it's also not good for you.

00:09:14.280 People start to resent you if they see you too much, no matter whether or not you're trying

00:09:19.720 to be seen, you go, no, no, I don't want to do this.

00:09:21.760 And nonetheless, like I remember 20 years ago going through an experience where I was

00:09:25.880 like, it feels to the world.

00:09:27.700 Like I'm trying to shove myself in their face and nobody likes that.

00:09:31.720 Right.

00:09:31.900 Nobody wants to be the, like the, the camera hog, the guy who's trying to get a bunch of

00:09:36.640 Ben Affleck shoes or whatever.

00:09:38.520 And I'm like, man, you just leave me alone.

00:09:40.200 And I'd be, I would be much happier.

00:09:42.300 So in a way it also can damage your career.

00:09:45.300 Although I think it's, I don't pretend to understand the nuances and the, of social

00:09:50.580 media and how to manage that as celebrities.

00:09:52.700 So I don't do it.

00:09:53.720 Some people do it really well, but, and I think there is a difference now because like, it's

00:09:58.840 like, if you have a hundred million followers, that's actually valuable and meaningful in

00:10:03.360 a different way.

00:10:04.380 I still, I'm kind of old school, I guess, in a way of seeing medium school.

00:10:09.300 I think I'm middle school.

00:10:10.460 Yes, exactly.

00:10:11.020 I am a seventh grader.

00:10:13.800 Oh dude.

00:10:14.580 Yeah.

00:10:14.900 I don't even think, I don't know if I graduated that one.

00:10:17.020 Some of them, they let you skip, I guess, if you're, you know, depending on what county

00:10:20.480 you're in.

00:10:21.000 Sometimes they hold you back.

00:10:22.200 Yeah.

00:10:22.620 Sometimes they hold you back, dude.

00:10:24.220 Bro, the scariest thing was when like the dumb bully kid got held back and you're like,

00:10:28.480 And you had to stick around in your grade.

00:10:30.300 Dude, they'd be like, bro, I remember we got word.

00:10:32.580 The kid's 6'10 and in like sixth grade.

00:10:35.760 Dude, we got word that Damien had gotten held back and people were like, oh, hell no, dude.

00:10:42.680 Dude, we cannot do Damien again.

00:10:45.080 Hold me back too.

00:10:46.560 We cannot do Damien again.

00:10:48.400 Like Damien has to go out to pasture wherever they put these kids that leave sixth grade.

00:10:52.740 And they're like, Damien's coming back.

00:10:54.740 Finish their education at sixth grade.

00:10:57.240 Shut him down, dude.

00:10:58.900 Tase him or something.

00:11:00.660 You know, put a tire spike when he's leaving out of his driveway in the morning.

00:11:03.600 But Damien cannot come back.

00:11:07.240 But yeah, it is interesting and it is kind of a sickness.

00:11:09.440 I think a lot of people see that stuff as a sickness these days.

00:11:12.060 But I do think it's fascinating about the suspension of disbelief and that that was something

00:11:16.760 that used to be amazing about celebrities is like you never got to see them, right?

00:11:20.840 And so you only got to see them and actors and you only got to see them on screen and

00:11:25.020 in this way.

00:11:25.760 And so you really envision them that way.

00:11:27.840 I mean, you would almost be shocked if you saw a celebrity in person or an actor in person

00:11:32.780 who didn't like, like Indiana Jones, if he didn't have his head and whip.

00:11:36.580 I was just going to say that is that when I was a kid, I kind of thought Harrison Ford

00:11:39.620 was that guy.

00:11:40.520 You know what I mean?

00:11:41.280 Like that's what Harrison Ford.

00:11:42.860 I think he's probably the biggest, you know, movie star of my childhood.

00:11:46.240 And whether it was like, you know, Indian Jones or Star Wars, like he was the guy.

00:11:50.800 And I kind of thought he was that guy.

00:11:52.800 And so it's a little weird to see that guy just like, you know, in his sneakers and

00:11:57.440 his kind of raincoat walking around Brentwood, it's sort of like, of course, it's disappointing

00:12:01.580 or it's disillusioning or something because you have this thing in your mind that people

00:12:06.560 went to a, you know, Steven Spielberg and George Lucas went to a whole, you know, use

00:12:10.240 all their talent, went to a bunch of work to make this dude look like Indiana Jones and

00:12:14.800 Han Solo.

00:12:15.940 And I think what I've seen now is like, I actually don't even want to see like the

00:12:20.500 actors that I really like.

00:12:21.520 I don't want to go on your social because I don't want to know what you had for lunch because

00:12:24.860 it just makes it harder for me to get into like what, you know, what you're doing.

00:12:29.780 I love that.

00:12:30.500 And that's, I think that is a real directorial way to think.

00:12:33.600 I think, I mean, I can see that in your brain.

00:12:35.800 I mean, I'm just a judge.

00:12:36.860 I'm just a guy judging you.

00:12:37.920 They just met in a room somewhere, but, um, but I never thought about that, that that's

00:12:43.520 how it is that.

00:12:44.760 Yeah.

00:12:45.120 You don't want, you want them kind of, you want to Hollywood has almost bitten its own

00:12:52.300 tail in that way because there's this underlying like valueless current really.

00:12:57.580 That's kind of like a very cheap currency.

00:12:59.460 It's Hollywood, it's, it's, it's Hollywood sort of adjacent, which is this side of media

00:13:03.840 culture that, that profits from and circles.

00:13:07.780 And there's a symbiotic relationship between Hollywood and obviously like here I am promote

00:13:11.380 my movie and running around.

00:13:12.400 And now I don't want to go on like a tabloid and do that or whatever it is, but that, that

00:13:18.280 becomes part of that culture too.

00:13:20.020 And, and then you have like any interview show or all these, and you're right in a sense

00:13:23.680 it is Hollywood because if you do a movie at universal, you know, you'll see that person's

00:13:28.180 doing all NBC Comcast owned, you know, talk shows and appearances, right?

00:13:33.080 Like it's not a coincidence because when they do their presentation in the boardroom for Comcast

00:13:38.320 to their shareholders, they go, look, we make these movies, we spend a lot of money and

00:13:42.160 then we get the stars and we plug them into all of our other shows that we also own.

00:13:46.000 And then there's a lot of synergy, so on and so forth.

00:13:47.860 The, the idea though is like, okay, there's, that's a, a kind of a tax that you end up

00:13:53.420 sort of paying on your sort of life and the one hand, and on this thing that you're trying

00:13:58.640 to build, which is something that connects with people and moves them and that they want

00:14:03.100 to go out to a fucking movie theater and pay good money to see.

00:14:07.160 And it makes it a little bit harder than to have to kind of go around and do all that other

00:14:11.860 stuff and be like, okay, well, that's not who I really am.

00:14:14.920 And that's, and, and, and to try to sort of be interesting and relevant in some other

00:14:19.720 way that isn't really what you kind of even wanted to do.

00:14:23.880 And so, so you're right.

00:14:25.520 It's sort of part Hollywood and also kind of Hollywood adjacent and it is eating.

00:14:29.380 It's, it does eat its tail.

00:14:30.880 In a way, because it's, because the acting in the creation, it's like a watch looking at

00:14:34.960 the beauty of a lake, right?

00:14:36.060 It's like, this is picturesque and this is like how they meant the waves to look.

00:14:40.320 And there's a current here and there's an inflow and outflow and something landed in

00:14:43.640 the water over here and left a ripple and something else is, this is the B story and

00:14:47.120 there's a ripple, but then it's this under, it's this, all this stuff under it.

00:14:50.860 And it's almost starting to like kind of drain its own lake in a way.

00:14:53.460 It's a good metaphor.

00:14:54.080 Yeah.

00:14:54.240 Like the movie as the kind of lake and the underneath of what's both what goes into it

00:14:59.020 and what happens behind the scenes and also what's, what it takes.

00:15:01.580 And it does kind of like, it's interesting, like, yeah, is it, if you overtax it, it lowers

00:15:07.420 the lake and all of a sudden it doesn't look like a beautiful lake.

00:15:09.920 It starts to look like, like the, the low country marsh and it pulls down.

00:15:13.820 You start to see all the little black mud around the edges and the muck.

00:15:16.640 And, and that's, um, yeah, I don't know how to kind of balance that, but as a, as a

00:15:20.860 director, you know, you're right.

00:15:22.320 Like I would say that's the way, the principal way I've always kind of looked at this stuff.

00:15:27.780 So it used to be that you, you had an actor and you had people knew less about them.

00:15:34.320 And now a part of even casting for me is what do people think or of and expect this person

00:15:41.360 to do and, or be, and how can I both, I have to rely on that and use that, but I also have

00:15:47.140 the opportunity to kind of subvert that in a way.

00:15:49.560 And, and so you have to be mindful, not just of the story you're telling, um, but what does

00:15:55.440 the audience bring into the theater with them or, or, uh, when they turn on television, you

00:16:00.680 know, expect that dude, that's yeah.

00:16:02.840 That I think that's advanced thinking to be honest with you.

00:16:06.020 I really do.

00:16:07.100 It's just a learned by lived experience.

00:16:10.440 Mostly, you know, find out like I even often make mistakes, you know, like if I sometimes

00:16:16.640 have found if I sort of, uh, I did a movie where I had like a very blonde wig that was

00:16:21.960 like a medieval, you know, I wish I was Ric Flair.

00:16:26.400 That would be spectacular.

00:16:27.380 I'd love to play.

00:16:27.940 It was actually a good movie.

00:16:28.840 I really liked it.

00:16:29.360 It was called the last duel.

00:16:30.440 The point where, and it was great director, Ridley Scott, and he had this idea for it.

00:16:33.520 Oh yeah, Ridley Scott.

00:16:34.380 And yeah, there's the thing there you see.

00:16:36.080 And, and I liked the, if that, if no one had, I think had ever seen me or whatever, I thought

00:16:41.020 that was really, yeah.

00:16:42.080 Interesting.

00:16:42.640 The problem is that people, I think what it did was Aaron Carter created noise.

00:16:46.580 It was around, you know, look at this hair, is this different?

00:16:49.320 And we know it's a wig.

00:16:50.540 And so now you look at it and you go, but I know he doesn't look like that.

00:16:53.880 And so it causes you to kind of think it's false.

00:16:56.360 That's an example of kind of probably not being able to go that far away from myself and still

00:17:02.980 have people go, okay, I can sit aside what I know and just watch this story and, and

00:17:07.840 like it and believe in it.

00:17:09.020 Dude, that's fast.

00:17:10.000 That's insider baseball, man.

00:17:11.300 No, I could, it makes total sense.

00:17:12.980 It makes total sense that, that, that, that would start to affect how we see things.

00:17:17.200 You know, there's something that's happening where it's hard to get people to believe in

00:17:21.540 some of these movies, you know, and people's attention spans have changed.

00:17:24.980 It's, it's gotten interesting.

00:17:26.160 Yeah.

00:17:26.280 That's a bunch of things.

00:17:27.300 The, but the fact that like, even, even the online world, for example, you see now that

00:17:33.020 like shorter and shorter and shorter, like clips are what, even my son, who's constantly

00:17:38.900 showing me clips of you, by the way, you know what I mean?

00:17:41.740 So it's, is he a nice kid?

00:17:43.300 He's a great kid.

00:17:44.060 Yeah.

00:17:44.160 He's a fabulous kid.

00:17:45.020 And he's, and he's, he now, when I watch him like scroll, it's like, he doesn't even

00:17:51.520 get through the six seconds.

00:17:52.920 Right.

00:17:53.200 You know what I mean?

00:17:53.560 He's like, you know, and he'll like a long period of time for him is four or five seconds.

00:17:58.200 And it's, and then I'm like, Hey man, you know, let's watch this show or watch this

00:18:01.540 movie.

00:18:01.820 And it's like, he gets bored fast.

00:18:03.820 He's got to really love something to sit through it.

00:18:06.140 And then he, you know, binges like all the episodes.

00:18:08.820 Like we just sat through like, and watch, you know, Invincible, this animated show,

00:18:13.720 you know, and then it's like, let's keep going.

00:18:15.640 And so it's this weird dichotomy of on the one hand, it's like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

00:18:19.220 Okay.

00:18:19.480 Then plug in and like mainline this one thing and eat it all up till it's gone.

00:18:24.380 And yeah, so it's all, it has really changed.

00:18:26.400 You didn't used to be able to, to like pause and select, or even have that much to choose

00:18:31.980 from.

00:18:32.300 Like though that many choices is overwhelming to the, to the mind.

00:18:36.660 Like we weren't made, I don't believe evolutionarily and, and, and as human beings to like, you

00:18:43.620 know, we're supposed to be living in like a village and see about a hundred people in

00:18:46.740 our lifetimes.

00:18:47.440 Right.

00:18:48.220 That's the, the vast majority of human history.

00:18:50.440 That's how we did it.

00:18:51.300 And I still feel like in a way that's how we're socialized.

00:18:53.920 Um, it's why, for example, if you're feel left out of a group, it's very painful because

00:19:00.160 like in, you know, thousands of years ago, if you got left out of the, the, the village,

00:19:05.540 the group, whatever, and then take you to hunt, you died, right?

00:19:08.100 You needed those people to live.

00:19:10.440 And so it hits something really limbic inside of you.

00:19:13.300 And even social media, for example, you're looking at stuff and you're going, damn, why

00:19:15.860 is everybody else's life so good?

00:19:17.200 And I'm seeing the life you're advertising looks so fucking cool.

00:19:20.740 And my inside life feels like shit.

00:19:22.900 That also is like a, like a basic primal thing.

00:19:25.840 And I think that's what, you know, this stuff kind of touches, but, but the amount of information

00:19:31.940 now that comes in, because really now everybody's a celebrity, right?

00:19:35.300 Everybody is a celebrity.

00:19:36.460 Everybody is followed.

00:19:37.520 Everybody's life is out there.

00:19:39.400 And there's newborns.

00:19:40.240 There's four months old and 1100 followers.

00:19:43.460 And it's really like 1100 followers is kind of, it's just a, it's not any different from

00:19:48.560 celebrity.

00:19:48.860 It's just a matter of degree.

00:19:49.860 But this is a form of, he can't even open his, both of his eyes at the same time.

00:19:53.500 And it's like, yeah, exactly.

00:19:55.360 And, and, and that's kind of become the, that as the currency of man, that looks great.

00:20:00.520 You know, that like the currency of like fame in and of itself as a desirable thing.

00:20:05.400 Like people go, man, I want to be rich and famous.

00:20:07.080 Like take rich.

00:20:09.160 You know what I mean?

00:20:10.040 You know, famous is not, not going to make you happy.

00:20:13.620 Yeah.

00:20:13.880 It seems like it will.

00:20:14.740 Cause it's like, Oh, people will like me and know my name and kind of know who I am.

00:20:18.400 And I'll feel like I've done something.

00:20:20.000 I think a lot of times what happens is if it doesn't come with a real sense of like

00:20:23.340 achievement or accomplishment, it actually feels hollow and empty and like bullshit and

00:20:27.600 like, and undeserved.

00:20:29.000 Do you think you wanted to start directing because it gave you even more of a sense of accomplishment?

00:20:33.400 Uh, yeah, I wanted to.

00:20:35.420 Is that a weird question?

00:20:36.160 But does that make any sense?

00:20:36.820 No, it does make sense.

00:20:37.800 I wanted to, I really, I didn't, I wanted to fail on my own terms.

00:20:40.980 So I had gone through some movies that where I was like, I don't like this.

00:20:43.660 I don't agree with this, but you, you know, you got to do how it's like being a playing

00:20:47.720 a football team, whatever you got to run the plays that the coach sets up.

00:20:50.800 You know what I mean?

00:20:51.520 They're going to run a draw play, not get the ball and, you know, turn around and run

00:20:55.580 a sweep.

00:20:56.100 Right.

00:20:56.320 Because they're not blocking that way.

00:20:57.440 You know what I mean?

00:20:57.840 It's just, that's, that's not going to work.

00:20:59.140 Right.

00:20:59.400 So you, that's how the, that whole art form is sort of structured, uh, by and large.

00:21:06.560 And what I found was, you know, I had a real strong sense of the way I wanted to do it.

00:21:12.040 And I, when I, when it didn't work, when it worked, I, I didn't feel great because it

00:21:17.040 wasn't me that had that feel.

00:21:18.800 You know, I didn't feel like, I didn't feel proud of it.

00:21:20.780 And when it didn't work, I just felt pissed off.

00:21:22.320 Like, fuck, I didn't want to fucking do it.

00:21:24.800 God damn.

00:21:25.280 I didn't want to, you know, I said, and that's a terrible feeling.

00:21:29.400 So I'd rather fail on my own terms or succeed on my own terms.

00:21:33.060 And I, and that's where I kind of got into, to directing.

00:21:36.440 And I always, I wanted to do it even when I was younger and I liked it.

00:21:39.460 I just didn't have the confidence.

00:21:40.560 And at a certain point I kind of had nothing to lose.

00:21:42.780 And that was really what kind of gave me the courage to take that leap.

00:21:46.800 And in the directing, you mean?

00:21:48.020 Yeah.

00:21:48.460 Because my, like, as an actor, I sort of, I got real cold and like had a couple of movies

00:21:53.460 that didn't work.

00:21:54.240 And then, you know, all of a sudden it can be kind of over for you.

00:21:57.920 That's why it's a tough.

00:21:59.060 Really?

00:21:59.520 Business.

00:21:59.920 Fuck.

00:22:00.240 Yeah, man.

00:22:00.620 Like there's no like a seniority.

00:22:03.980 There's no tenure.

00:22:05.020 There's no, you know, retirement, no gold watch.

00:22:08.380 If your show doesn't work or movie doesn't work and nobody wants to hire you, like they're

00:22:12.200 just going to hire someone else.

00:22:13.200 You know, it's, there's 130,000 people in SAG and there's only 30,000 people that work

00:22:19.280 every year.

00:22:19.640 Right.

00:22:20.160 And then there's an even smaller amount of those roles where, you know, you have more

00:22:24.740 than two lines.

00:22:25.620 So it's a very, it's very tough.

00:22:28.380 Right.

00:22:28.640 And so if you're not, people aren't watching, they're not coming or it's not interesting.

00:22:32.420 See later.

00:22:33.120 And now it's different because I think the movie theater, you know, it's like, it's a

00:22:36.640 new attack.

00:22:37.260 I think it takes novel thinking these days.

00:22:39.480 I think it takes, I think that movies themselves long form.

00:22:43.740 Um, I think it's, they're going to have to find some new, unless it is like great or

00:22:51.940 new or so novel, they're going to have to find some new ways to either present it or

00:22:57.840 edit it.

00:22:58.580 I'm not sure what it is, but to me, just as a viewer, it feels like we're in this shift

00:23:02.580 because so quickly have people gotten into these quick moments and it's not even that

00:23:07.320 their attention span is short, their commitment.

00:23:09.460 It's like, they don't want, it's like, I'm not committing to all the other options that

00:23:13.340 you have.

00:23:13.700 Oh, totally.

00:23:14.120 You're sitting here with a computer.

00:23:15.480 You fucking.

00:23:15.700 Like when I was a kid and we went out, there wasn't shit else.

00:23:17.880 There was three channels of nothing on TV and it wasn't.

00:23:20.440 And if you didn't go see the movie in the theater, you had to wait, you know, a year

00:23:23.320 for it to come out on like VHS or DVD or whatever it was, or cable.

00:23:27.180 And so you were kind of.

00:23:28.420 Or rumor.

00:23:29.060 You just had to wait for it to come out on a diorama.

00:23:30.840 Like it was bad.

00:23:31.940 Exactly.

00:23:32.560 The cave painting and shit.

00:23:34.000 How long is it going to take you to paint this on my cave?

00:23:35.760 Or a tattoo.

00:23:36.920 A guy came through with a tattoo and it told a story.

00:23:39.860 The whole thing.

00:23:40.520 Yeah.

00:23:41.240 And so you had to like.

00:23:42.440 It looked like a domestic dispute a lot, but you're like, Hey, we, you know, there's

00:23:46.360 every, there's a story for everything, but dude, even like this, like Danny McBride

00:23:49.760 gave me this like two, like a month ago or something, this light, it's like a flash

00:23:53.220 light or something.

00:23:54.520 Well, this side, just like a flash light.

00:23:56.120 Right.

00:23:56.480 But the other side is like a wiener light.

00:23:59.100 Like you can put like a wiener on something.

00:24:01.480 It has like a, but I'm just saying like everything has like two, like seven things.

00:24:05.580 Right.

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00:27:02.540 But I'm just saying, like, everything has like two, like seven things now.

00:27:06.320 Right.

00:27:06.580 Like, you know, and I think you're right, like, if you want to get people to go to the theaters, movies either got to be really good.

00:27:13.000 Like, you can't just, you used to be like, okay, there's going to three movies in the theater every weekend.

00:27:17.120 People are going to go to one of them.

00:27:18.360 Now you got to have a reason to want to go out and see it.

00:27:22.180 And I'm lucky because, you know, the reason why I'm really confident about this movie, The Accountant 2, is it actually plays great.

00:27:27.920 It's a really good movie.

00:27:29.280 People love it.

00:27:30.000 I've been, you know, but I was the one where I was like, let's make, let's test this movie.

00:27:33.060 Let's take it out there.

00:27:33.800 And I'm like, okay, this movie belongs out there theatrically.

00:27:36.740 And there's still, it's still more difficult.

00:27:39.320 In the old days, this movie would have been a home run, easy.

00:27:41.600 Obviously, I'm like, the movie's great.

00:27:42.680 It works great.

00:27:43.420 It's a big smash hit.

00:27:44.660 Now you have to, like, okay, work hard to get it out.

00:27:47.240 Because ahead of time, you screen it for people.

00:27:49.200 You see what they say.

00:27:49.940 And the reaction's pretty consistent, interestingly.

00:27:52.500 So, but now it's like, you know, I think your point about what you have to do, like the Minecraft movie or Barbie or, you know, it almost has to become like a cultural event.

00:28:01.140 Like where people are going, acting the scenes out, like there's a whole reason to go do it.

00:28:04.840 Kind of.

00:28:05.420 Unless I think it's really good.

00:28:06.920 Or else it's really good.

00:28:07.360 And that's really what I believe.

00:28:08.240 And you really believe in this.

00:28:09.240 This movie is, listen, you know, absolutely.

00:28:11.800 Would you come out and say it was good if it wasn't?

00:28:14.340 Not like that.

00:28:15.160 Yeah.

00:28:15.260 I would sort of talk around it or talk about, well, there's some things I like about it.

00:28:19.480 But now I wouldn't even want a movie to go out theatrically.

00:28:22.600 I didn't think it was going to work theatrically because it's, you know, I think, well, you know, there's people that will watch this on streaming because I do think the bar is lower.

00:28:30.040 And I think there are different kinds of movies that work on streaming and, you know, great movies work on streaming too.

00:28:34.620 But I would say I would choose to do that.

00:28:37.000 This was one that was supposed to be, I wasn't, you know, it wasn't like we're going to go out theatrically.

00:28:41.020 It was when the movie came together and worked as well as it did.

00:28:43.840 You know, we thought this is definitely a theatrical movie and it's, it's, I think it's really good.

00:28:49.120 I'm really proud of it.

00:28:49.980 I love it.

00:28:50.460 Jon Bernthal is great.

00:28:51.900 It's funny.

00:28:52.560 It's better than the first one.

00:28:53.580 Yeah.

00:28:53.800 Jon Bernthal is my brother.

00:28:55.040 He's great.

00:28:55.500 He's your brother?

00:28:56.200 Yeah.

00:28:56.780 That's to me.

00:28:57.420 And it's, we're like a two-hander.

00:28:59.220 I didn't know that.

00:28:59.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:00.300 Y'all are brothers?

00:29:01.220 In the movie.

00:29:01.700 He's not my real brother, but yeah.

00:29:02.880 Oh, shit.

00:29:04.020 And he's fucking amazing in the movie.

00:29:07.580 And he plays your, so wait, so who is the accountant or you can't tell us?

00:29:10.500 No, it's me, right?

00:29:11.260 I'm this guy's accountant who's got, who's, are you a CPA?

00:29:14.500 I'm a CPA, but it's sort of one of these things where it's going to sound a little bit far-fetched

00:29:19.140 when I tell you, but it's actually very, which is, we grew up to, obviously, together, we're

00:29:24.120 brothers and we had this father that was very tough on us, like heavy duty military guy.

00:29:28.020 This is in the first movie, right?

00:29:29.280 When we were kids, you see flashbacks and he kind of was, you know, trained us.

00:29:34.220 Oh, but I've seen this movie.

00:29:35.620 You've seen the first movie, right?

00:29:37.200 This is the second.

00:29:37.840 You saw the first one, me and Jon, came out like eight years ago.

00:29:39.860 Oh, yeah.

00:29:40.660 Yeah.

00:29:40.800 So this is the second one.

00:29:41.900 This is the sequel.

00:29:42.520 Oh, yeah.

00:29:43.640 Sorry, man.

00:29:44.540 That's all right.

00:29:44.840 I didn't put it together.

00:29:46.260 But I think this actually, you know, which is rare, and I definitely wouldn't say this

00:29:50.780 if it weren't true, is it's better than the first movie.

00:29:52.700 It's funny.

00:29:53.600 It's got more kind of heart.

00:29:55.360 It's more broadly accessible.

00:29:57.020 My action's better.

00:29:57.700 And I really liked the first movie, so that's really rare.

00:29:59.400 And you directed this one, too?

00:30:00.500 No.

00:30:00.880 I acted a guy named Gavin O'Connor directed this movie, who's a really good director, who directed

00:30:04.380 the first one.

00:30:05.260 And how do you decide who is a good director?

00:30:08.760 Because you're a good director yourself.

00:30:10.800 Thank you.

00:30:11.900 But I guess the way you decide that, honestly, is by watching their movies.

00:30:15.680 Okay.

00:30:15.880 You look at it, and you go kind of, you know, and if it's something that you do, you sort

00:30:21.420 of watch it, and you can tell.

00:30:22.360 Even movies where there's instances where it's like might not be my kind of movie, or

00:30:26.520 it might be my taste.

00:30:27.900 But you can still say, okay, well, this is somebody who really understands.

00:30:31.140 This is like a master.

00:30:32.080 This is somebody who's very competent.

00:30:34.260 Or it really is to my taste.

00:30:36.480 And I'm like, this is amazing.

00:30:38.000 But, you know, it's hard to get good at.

00:30:40.580 So, you know, there aren't very many great directors, and that's one of the really tricky

00:30:44.500 things about making movies.

00:30:46.360 I'm really like, this is the third time I've worked with this director, Gavin, and I really

00:30:49.060 like the guy.

00:30:49.880 He did Miracle.

00:30:52.140 He did his movie Warrior.

00:30:54.740 Warrior is with the boxer?

00:30:57.400 Jake Gyllenhaal?

00:30:58.660 No.

00:31:01.100 Why am I forgetting his name?

00:31:02.380 The dude from Venom.

00:31:03.880 Tom Hardy.

00:31:04.760 Oh, yeah.

00:31:05.440 And George and Nick Nolte.

00:31:06.720 People love him.

00:31:07.500 Yeah.

00:31:07.840 And he did Miracle, which is about the Olympic hockey team.

00:31:11.660 Oh, yeah.

00:31:12.100 Against Canada.

00:31:12.920 America versus Canada, I think.

00:31:14.400 Or something.

00:31:14.560 Russia.

00:31:15.200 Right.

00:31:15.980 Yeah.

00:31:16.380 Russia, the original.

00:31:17.380 Oh, no.

00:31:17.920 Russia is like dirty Canada.

00:31:19.500 That's right.

00:31:19.980 Exactly.

00:31:20.760 Yeah.

00:31:21.040 It's kind of like, and that's, yeah.

00:31:22.400 No offense to anybody who's Russian, but also, you know it.

00:31:25.160 So, it's not like we're keeping secrets from him.

00:31:28.380 We're advertising that.

00:31:29.440 So, is it, would you go work on it?

00:31:31.120 So, if you and Jon Bernthal, you guys are buddies, you get along well.

00:31:34.040 I love the guy.

00:31:34.840 Yeah.

00:31:35.060 I knew him.

00:31:35.800 I liked him.

00:31:36.360 So, that makes it fun.

00:31:37.140 We came really close with him on this movie.

00:31:38.400 Yeah.

00:31:38.600 We just hit it off really well, and it's like, I'm sure you experienced this, like, in your

00:31:43.260 line of work.

00:31:43.820 Like, some people, you kind of just hit it off with.

00:31:45.920 It works.

00:31:46.280 It's great.

00:31:46.900 Like, oh, my God.

00:31:47.640 You don't even know kind of how it happens.

00:31:49.160 Oh, man.

00:31:49.560 Sometimes the chemistry is just not there.

00:31:51.400 You know what I mean?

00:31:52.060 It's like Tim Dillon.

00:31:52.320 Have you ever seen Tim Dillon?

00:31:53.800 No.

00:31:54.160 What about him?

00:31:54.640 Oh, you just got to watch him, dude.

00:31:56.380 He's so funny.

00:31:57.480 He's just one of the funniest guys he ever made.

00:31:59.300 He just made me think, like, he's somebody that's really funny.

00:32:01.300 Right.

00:32:02.520 Shane Gillis.

00:32:03.540 Yeah.

00:32:03.820 Shane Gillis is funny.

00:32:04.800 But, I mean, so, but I'm saying, like, for you personally, right?

00:32:07.400 Like, you might find that, like, you sitting down talking to somebody works.

00:32:10.960 Even if somebody's great, they might come in, and you guys just don't hit it off.

00:32:14.360 Or you might be great together.

00:32:15.780 In this case, I really felt like with Jon, like, we got really lucky, and we both kind of,

00:32:21.000 it's like a two-hander.

00:32:21.860 It's like a kind of odd couple sort of, because I'm very reserved, very straight.

00:32:26.340 He's very tough and ballsy, and so, like, you know what I mean?

00:32:28.780 And so we're kind of opposites, but we love each other, but we're kind of brothers, so

00:32:33.120 we drive each other crazy, and we're frustrated with each other, and there's kind of, those

00:32:37.040 things really, those kind of relationships, dynamics, and stories really depend on the

00:32:40.200 chemistry you have.

00:32:40.960 And Jon's just an amazing actor, but also it was great to work with him.

00:32:44.560 And I love the guy.

00:32:45.240 I respect him.

00:32:45.780 He's a good man.

00:32:46.300 He's a great father.

00:32:47.320 He works hard.

00:32:48.180 He's just, everything, I, you know, I don't know.

00:32:50.660 I've heard a lot of, I've heard a lot of neat things about him, because he podcasts as well,

00:32:54.120 you know?

00:32:54.560 I think, or he has.

00:32:55.640 You might have to take breaks from it if he's acting a lot.

00:32:58.140 How long does, like, so how long are you shooting something like that?

00:33:00.400 And then, are there phases during a movie shoot where it's like, it starts off, you know,

00:33:05.820 it's like, and you just kind of get burnt out, like, or is there a way to kind of, yeah,

00:33:09.220 because the way they set it up is like, you know, and I don't think this is like optimal

00:33:13.160 necessarily, but because of how you got to get everybody together and, you know, build

00:33:17.320 the sets and do all this shit and all at once, you know, it gets, you end up working like,

00:33:21.060 you know, 14, 16 hour days.

00:33:23.340 Oh, yeah.

00:33:23.760 And, you know, there is, you know, it's a function of just the, some inefficiencies and

00:33:29.340 the way it works.

00:33:29.860 And sometimes just what you have to do.

00:33:30.820 So you, you're constantly working on sort of all you're thinking about morning, moon,

00:33:34.600 night, and you go home, go to sleep, wake up, go back to work.

00:33:37.120 So you can get burnt out on it, but you can also like with account too, it was like, it

00:33:42.020 started to just work better and better than I thought.

00:33:43.840 And so every day I was thrilled to go to work.

00:33:46.240 You know what I mean?

00:33:47.040 And I find as I get older, I'm like, I'm going to work with people that I really like

00:33:50.320 that make, cause like so much of your life is spent at work.

00:33:53.480 That becomes kind of what, like, obviously, you know, I have my family.

00:33:56.960 That's the number one thing in my life.

00:33:58.340 And I just make the time for that.

00:34:00.220 I have my kids, I'm divorced.

00:34:01.240 I have them, you know, half the time.

00:34:02.760 So I got them half the week.

00:34:03.840 Then I'm like with them, those part of my life I'm going to spend at work.

00:34:08.080 And that's, so I've realized like, we want my life to be happy.

00:34:12.020 I got to have fun.

00:34:13.180 Then I want to be working with people that I really like and respect and enjoy being

00:34:16.480 around.

00:34:16.940 And it's not always easy to choose that.

00:34:19.000 Not everybody can.

00:34:20.120 You get lucky when, you know, and so I was with this was really lucky.

00:34:23.120 I love John.

00:34:24.400 Do, um, have you ever made, yeah.

00:34:26.260 Cause David Spade and I wrote a movie that we just shot a couple months ago.

00:34:29.260 Oh really?

00:34:29.760 Yeah.

00:34:30.140 So it was fascinating.

00:34:30.900 I've just kind of learned about how to do it.

00:34:32.420 Like we've been friends.

00:34:33.140 How long, how long did you shoot for?

00:34:34.740 Four years.

00:34:35.160 We shot for 23 days and we got pretty quick.

00:34:37.760 It was, it was quick.

00:34:39.100 We got pushed by the fire.

00:34:40.480 So everything kind of got messed up and we kind of, not everything got messed up, but

00:34:43.620 we got like sandwiched in a moment where it was like, everybody's here.

00:34:47.440 The winds are 40 miles an hour today.

00:34:49.360 We have to, there's no, we paid for it ourselves.

00:34:52.860 So it was like, we have to do this.

00:34:54.840 Did you find out when people leave your own money on something, all of a sudden there's

00:34:57.280 like, okay, we're going to do this.

00:34:58.300 Like people have a whole different attitude.

00:34:59.860 That's something I've found.

00:35:00.940 They're like, oh, we need a Dalmatian.

00:35:02.300 I'm like, we don't have a Dalmatian.

00:35:03.580 We'll fucking shave that sheep and fucking staple some, tattoo some spots on this motherfucker

00:35:10.340 and shoot.

00:35:11.240 And with removable glue, glue some Oreos to it and get that bastard out there, you know,

00:35:16.500 teach it to bark.

00:35:17.360 We have 40 minutes, get on YouTube and teach that thing to bark.

00:35:21.780 Have you ever made a movie that you, that you didn't put out or that wasn't put out?

00:35:25.580 Oh yeah.

00:35:27.960 Early on, I made a bunch of movies that were like independent movies that, you know,

00:35:32.280 they didn't have like distribution that I'm like a studio that said, okay, we're paying

00:35:36.120 for this.

00:35:36.560 And when it's finished, we're going to put a bunch of money in advertising.

00:35:39.220 Cause you got to spend a bunch more money to advertise a movie after you make it.

00:35:42.840 Right.

00:35:43.320 And, or at least, you know, and that, that's one of the big things that's changing.

00:35:46.480 Now people are like, okay, how can we do this in a more intelligent way?

00:35:49.160 Because all that money spent on television commercials is just a wasted now.

00:35:52.880 And that's, that's why I'm here.

00:35:54.080 Like this is a much more effective way to do it.

00:35:56.060 You know what I mean?

00:35:56.740 Yeah, dude, it seems exciting.

00:35:58.620 Well, here's the thing.

00:35:59.320 I think when you tell me that it's good, I honestly think that I believe you, that it's

00:36:03.760 going to be good.

00:36:04.360 Yeah.

00:36:04.480 I'm telling the truth.

00:36:05.120 The movie is really good.

00:36:06.060 I wouldn't be like, if you had a movie that wasn't good, you just, you kind of do a few

00:36:09.660 of the basic things.

00:36:10.780 And because look, this is going to turn out like, you know, you're going to, it's going

00:36:14.440 to be a bell curve one way or the other.

00:36:16.000 The better you are, you're going to move your bell curve a little bit further down and have

00:36:19.860 a better chunk of movies.

00:36:20.960 But I got about like 12 movies that I really love and I'm proud of.

00:36:24.880 And about 25 that are like, I like this, I didn't like that, you know, and about 10

00:36:29.700 or 12, whatever that are like, that's fucking terrible.

00:36:32.980 I hate this.

00:36:33.660 I can't watch it.

00:36:34.480 And it was awful.

00:36:35.400 And when I did independent movies, they would, sometimes they just didn't get distribution.

00:36:38.500 Like no one wanted to put it out.

00:36:39.580 Or I went to a film festival.

00:36:40.820 I haven't had movies that were so like, just something so terrible happened when the studio

00:36:45.960 already was making it, that it wasn't put out.

00:36:48.640 But you know, you have like, they changed their plan.

00:36:50.560 You can kind of see, oh, now we're going to shift to this or that.

00:36:53.220 Now you can put something on streaming and it, you don't, it used to be like, you were

00:36:56.980 going to go out theatrical.

00:36:57.960 So you kind of were like naked.

00:36:59.380 You just had your, you know what I mean?

00:37:00.420 And if it didn't work, everybody knew.

00:37:02.000 Cause they're saying, look, this movie made 10 cents this weekend.

00:37:04.200 And you know, you'd want them to take the fucking billboard down.

00:37:06.940 You drive past the billboard.

00:37:08.080 Like it was like, it was a bomb.

00:37:10.120 The movie's a bomb.

00:37:10.800 You know what I mean?

00:37:11.100 You're up there at night in your Batman costume, just painting over it.

00:37:14.900 One of those big paint reachers.

00:37:17.460 Dude, did you ever see Family Man?

00:37:19.160 Did you see that movie?

00:37:20.820 Yeah.

00:37:21.360 I love that movie.

00:37:22.240 But yeah, that's like, oh yeah.

00:37:24.300 Family Man.

00:37:24.960 I liked really a lot.

00:37:26.860 Dunkirk.

00:37:27.340 I liked.

00:37:27.840 I thought it was cool.

00:37:28.680 Chris Nolan's a brilliant, brilliant guy.

00:37:31.560 Tell me about your movie with Dave Spade.

00:37:33.140 Who do you play?

00:37:33.860 Like what is, is it comedy?

00:37:35.100 Yeah.

00:37:35.340 It's just bus boys.

00:37:36.180 It's like, he's like a guy.

00:37:38.700 He's just like, we're just two kind of dumb guys or whatever.

00:37:41.600 We just got the first edit through.

00:37:43.100 So it's like, I'm watching it right now.

00:37:44.500 Let me tell you like that first cut of the movie.

00:37:46.800 Like when I see the first cut of my own movie, I want to kill myself.

00:37:49.380 Really?

00:37:49.580 So like, you should not go crazy seeing the first cut and not like it.

00:37:53.300 I almost have never, like now I have a company and we make a bunch of movies and you know,

00:37:58.440 the first cut it's, this is one of the only movies where the first cut came in.

00:38:01.560 I was like, it's great.

00:38:02.360 Really?

00:38:02.720 90% of the time you're like, okay, we got a long way to go.

00:38:05.480 It's a very iterative process.

00:38:06.920 They get better.

00:38:07.800 And more work is done after you finish shooting to make it good.

00:38:11.480 Yeah.

00:38:11.620 That's what I'm doing.

00:38:12.640 I'm meeting with an editor next week.

00:38:14.500 Sit down and be like, this is what's supposed to be funny about this scene.

00:38:18.120 Like, and explain it to them.

00:38:19.960 What you think is funny and is good because they, it may seem obvious to you and it probably

00:38:24.760 doesn't to that person.

00:38:25.740 Like you can lose track of me.

00:38:27.240 You go, look, the reason it's funny is because you think we're going to do this.

00:38:30.640 We, we know this about us from the first, you know, whatever scene.

00:38:33.800 And when it come in, it's that take where I like yelled at the guy, that should be a

00:38:37.220 surprise.

00:38:37.660 Like you'd be surprised how often it's hard to put a cut, go in and tell it tough.

00:38:42.620 Cause I've been spending my nights like watch.

00:38:44.440 And now I'm going to be shitty too, to put your, all that work into it and look at it

00:38:47.540 and go, what the fuck is this?

00:38:48.540 Right.

00:38:48.740 It's the worst feeling in the world.

00:38:49.740 It feels fucking horrible.

00:38:51.060 Cause it's like, I'm very particular about like what I create.

00:38:54.120 Like you said in the beginning, it's like, I like to make things.

00:38:56.540 I know what I want.

00:38:57.640 You know, it's like, I know my intuition.

00:38:59.700 And if I fail on my intuition, then that's exactly where I want to fail.

00:39:02.800 Cause that's pure to me.

00:39:04.020 Right.

00:39:04.200 Like that's okay.

00:39:05.000 Yeah.

00:39:05.180 And like, that's what you want to do.

00:39:06.160 Great.

00:39:06.600 Right.

00:39:06.840 But it's a very tricky thing for other people to know that you and to know, you know what

00:39:12.060 I mean?

00:39:12.280 Your sense of humor, your worldview is all obvious to you.

00:39:15.240 Right.

00:39:15.880 But it's just not to people.

00:39:17.100 So a lot of times you have to spend like more time than you would have thought literally

00:39:20.880 going, here's what should be funny.

00:39:23.420 If you can explain the joke, like you're a super funny guy, funny comedian, you understand

00:39:28.100 comedy very well.

00:39:28.960 So you can sit and break it down to him and go like, you got to know this about it.

00:39:32.840 What's funny is that, you know, we didn't expect me to do this.

00:39:35.580 Right.

00:39:35.840 That's a callback to this other moment.

00:39:37.380 Or the whole thing that when I did it, what I thought was funny is this take where I did

00:39:41.440 that.

00:39:41.660 Like, because on the set, I'm sure, you know, you're, if you're doing a comedy and you

00:39:45.900 shot it, you had moments where you were like, that's funny.

00:39:48.360 Right.

00:39:48.880 That I think that's funny.

00:39:49.960 I think that's good.

00:39:50.940 Yeah.

00:39:51.560 Sometimes it's literally about going back into the dailies and saying, look, okay, go find the

00:39:54.880 closeup or find this two shot.

00:39:56.280 The thing where I said to David and David looked at me like this and whatever, that

00:39:59.680 was the one where I left and thought, uh, that works.

00:40:02.160 Like there's no mystery or magic to why they're doing it a different way.

00:40:05.280 They oftentimes just need feedback.

00:40:07.680 Like it's, it is, this is not like sculpting or writing a novel.

00:40:11.660 It's not a single person, you know, it's collaborative.

00:40:14.540 It has to be collaborative.

00:40:15.460 Right.

00:40:16.060 If I'm directing a movie with you in it and it obviously is going to have your comic sensibility.

00:40:20.240 Like I got to know and get what's funny to you or I'm not the guy.

00:40:24.980 Right.

00:40:25.560 And, and I'm, I'm going to need help along the way.

00:40:27.720 Any director is going like, so how come, well, what, what do you imagine about this?

00:40:31.380 Or what do you think?

00:40:32.140 You know what I mean?

00:40:32.560 Like, that's why you have to explain it and sort of talk about it.

00:40:35.560 Cause that person has got to understand all those things that made you be funny in the

00:40:40.260 first place and start going, Oh, people are laughing when I say, Oh, these are funny.

00:40:43.140 You know what I mean?

00:40:43.500 And you've put it together and professionalized it, but like, you got to share that with them

00:40:47.880 otherwise really.

00:40:48.740 And then this is also where people sometimes get into fights, of course, cause people's

00:40:52.140 ego gets in the way.

00:40:53.340 Ego will kill you.

00:40:54.160 You have to be able to hear, I don't care what you do.

00:40:56.440 You have to be able to hear like, this doesn't work.

00:40:57.920 This is dog shit because the audience will tell you, you know what I mean?

00:41:00.380 That's the thing.

00:41:00.940 And it's like, I'm so particular.

00:41:02.100 I'm not particular, but I just know what kind of his work, you know, that's valuable because

00:41:05.500 not everybody does.

00:41:06.500 So what you have, right.

00:41:08.220 Is that awareness?

00:41:09.060 You don't think about it.

00:41:09.840 You don't have, you feel it.

00:41:10.620 Right.

00:41:10.960 You're like, that feels funny.

00:41:12.280 Or when you see something, you're like, this feels wrong.

00:41:14.120 Like makes you uncomfortable.

00:41:15.200 Right.

00:41:15.540 You see it.

00:41:16.240 Yeah.

00:41:16.380 So that is a thing that's unique to you.

00:41:19.060 Right.

00:41:19.380 So you need to like give them access to that and get it.

00:41:23.220 And when you, you know, and if somebody is going to like take it personal, it's, it's

00:41:26.280 not personal.

00:41:26.800 Like it's your, you know, and when David thought was funny, like, okay, like you have

00:41:32.200 to be connected in that way and you have to understand that it's not about like, okay,

00:41:36.000 fuck you guys.

00:41:36.700 Now I'm going to go make my vision of this thing.

00:41:38.740 No, that's a disaster.

00:41:40.100 No, no, no.

00:41:41.060 I just think like, yeah, like this is why this was written this way and this is why it's

00:41:44.560 funny.

00:41:45.080 And so this is the first time that we're like more hands on with it.

00:41:48.220 Well, then you should definitely be hands on.

00:41:49.860 Cause by the way, no one's going to do it for you.

00:41:51.320 Right.

00:41:51.500 Oh, I agree with that on its own, man.

00:41:53.100 And it's going to get better if you get in and work on it.

00:41:55.120 And by the way, you're going to see it again and you're going to have to go, okay, closer.

00:41:58.220 Now let's try this.

00:41:58.960 Let's try that.

00:41:59.620 And then again, the way movies that get better really is iterative.

00:42:04.000 It's like a, it's like, it's like coats of paint.

00:42:05.820 You know what I mean?

00:42:06.340 You got to keep on going.

00:42:07.520 It's like a good paint job on a car.

00:42:08.960 It was like 12 coats of paint.

00:42:10.280 That's why it looks good.

00:42:11.300 You know what I mean?

00:42:12.640 Do movies take a long time to edit sometimes?

00:42:15.220 Yeah.

00:42:15.500 26 weeks is the post-production schedule for most movies, right?

00:42:18.680 That includes music.

00:42:20.320 That's half of one year.

00:42:21.220 Yeah.

00:42:21.440 And it's, it's longer than the production.

00:42:24.060 You're trying to grab everything you can during production.

00:42:25.900 It's more expensive every day to shoot.

00:42:27.960 Editing is, you rent the editing room, the facilities.

00:42:30.140 We needed an owl one day.

00:42:31.320 We had an owl, right?

00:42:32.220 This bitch, it was $1,100 an hour.

00:42:35.620 For an owl?

00:42:36.240 Yeah.

00:42:36.440 It was like a semi-endangered.

00:42:37.720 I don't want to say endangered or whatever, but it was like writ at work.

00:42:40.160 Do they charge more if it's like, you know what I mean?

00:42:42.720 Like if you can get a chicken, they're not endangered.

00:42:44.480 You can kill.

00:42:44.960 That shit just cut its head off.

00:42:46.080 That's $10 for the owl.

00:42:47.660 You can get a tall chicken.

00:42:50.040 No one's going to know the difference.

00:42:51.440 You can take the chicken, break his neck, and he's turned around.

00:42:53.980 You can get a tall, curious chicken.

00:42:56.760 We'll give you that.

00:42:57.440 And so there, I think maybe you were, that's just like one of those things where it's like,

00:43:00.400 what's the rate for owls?

00:43:01.640 You just get to make it up if you sell owls.

00:43:03.780 It's just so, it's like, God, you get into there and there's just all this animal entrapment.

00:43:08.480 I, um, what else was I thinking about?

00:43:11.080 Would you let your children, well, let's, I want to talk to you a little bit more about directing.

00:43:14.680 So, um, cause Argo you directed, right?

00:43:18.940 And did you care about the Middle East?

00:43:20.760 How much were you like a Middle East guy?

00:43:22.200 I knew you, I've read some of the-

00:43:23.280 That movie's not really, I did, I did study the Middle East in school.

00:43:26.220 And so I understood, uh, uh, about it.

00:43:29.440 I wouldn't make a movie that I didn't, it'd be like making a movie with you and not getting

00:43:34.720 your humor, right?

00:43:35.340 Like it would just be crazy.

00:43:36.540 Like you, as the director, you got to care more and be more interested in that movie

00:43:39.900 than everybody else.

00:43:41.100 Everybody else is going to be bored of it, right?

00:43:42.280 And you've got to love it the whole time through.

00:43:44.600 So the big key is like, this is going to be interesting to me.

00:43:46.640 There was a lot of things that were interesting to me about that movie.

00:43:48.320 One was a real story, the CIA agent who had done it, the, the, the guy, the people that

00:43:51.960 I met and talked to at the CIA, the actual nature of like intelligence work versus,

00:43:57.280 you know, what you have seen with a, like, you know, you know, like super spy shit.

00:44:02.440 That's not really realistic.

00:44:03.480 And this story was really interesting to me.

00:44:05.780 And also I thought it was like the fact that they had this like bizarre connection to Hollywood

00:44:10.860 and this Hollywood makeup artists.

00:44:12.220 And that we're trying to bridge those two worlds was, was really interesting to me, but

00:44:16.640 it was a scary, challenging movie because the director's main job is tone, right?

00:44:21.300 Like that's the main dress of the director is going to really create is like, what's the

00:44:24.780 tone of this?

00:44:25.280 Like, what's the vibe?

00:44:26.080 What's our, is this serious?

00:44:28.080 What are we interested in?

00:44:29.120 Like, what do we consider funny?

00:44:30.300 What do we, you know, all those things that, that, you know, go into all the choices we

00:44:34.540 make in life from the car you get, the clothes you buy, all that, what kind of, what is your

00:44:38.100 taste?

00:44:38.680 And not everyone's going to like it, right?

00:44:40.660 Some people, it's just not going to be their taste.

00:44:42.360 You got to at least make it as good as you can to your own taste, to like you said, your

00:44:46.440 own instincts.

00:44:47.140 Yeah.

00:44:47.360 You got to find that tone that matches because people want to believe they're going to

00:44:50.680 expect a certain tone from you as well.

00:44:52.640 I think, you know, when you don't, when that tone doesn't work, you're like, this is kind

00:44:55.720 of crass, Jesus fucking, you know what I mean?

00:44:57.800 Corny.

00:44:58.180 It's like, it's, it seems silly or whatever.

00:45:00.200 And it's like, because you're asking someone to take something seriously that they can't

00:45:03.940 take seriously or, or think it's funny that they don't think is funny.

00:45:06.960 And, and that's where it's a, it's a tricky kind of nebulous job, but that's the most

00:45:13.780 interesting to me, important thing about it.

00:45:15.700 And that's, uh, yeah, you know, um, do you, would you let your children act?

00:45:21.320 Do you think?

00:45:22.400 Well, I wouldn't let them act professionally while they were children.

00:45:26.200 No, but I would, would let, you know, I mean, if they want to do plays and shit and make

00:45:30.340 their own kind of stuff with their friends, that's fine with me.

00:45:32.720 I, I don't, I don't think it would be, I don't know judgment against people that do

00:45:37.840 it.

00:45:38.000 I've done playing movies with child actors and stuff and that's fine.

00:45:41.180 I mean, from my experience, uh, acting as a kid and what I, and what I want for my

00:45:47.100 children is not, uh, is, is not that, but also you gotta understand that then they, you

00:45:51.720 know, I got a 19 year old, I got one 16, I got one 13 and they can make their own choices.

00:45:55.840 Yeah.

00:45:56.240 Oh yeah.

00:45:56.660 That's true.

00:45:57.120 Right.

00:45:57.340 As a dad, you just like that, is that, is that gotta be tougher when you're a dad?

00:46:02.300 Like you kind of have already lived some life.

00:46:04.680 So you were like, ah, and not even about acting, it's about anything.

00:46:08.340 And then your kid is kind of like making it like, is that, and you don't want to like

00:46:12.080 probably push them too much or like, because then you're pressures some dude, that's gotta

00:46:15.580 be a real, like walking a police line or something.

00:46:18.120 Uh, yeah.

00:46:18.560 I mean, that's the whole job of life is like for me before I had kids, you know, I didn't

00:46:23.320 really realize what my life was about.

00:46:25.300 And then this becomes the central challenge of your life.

00:46:27.680 And, and if you have a, everybody has complications and tricky shit in their life.

00:46:31.920 And that's part of being a parent is managing that with what kind of life am I bringing my kids

00:46:35.560 into making a good life for my children?

00:46:37.120 And how do we, you know, um, and that's part of that is my kids are growing up out here

00:46:42.020 in LA.

00:46:42.300 I didn't grow up in LA.

00:46:43.280 I didn't, I never met a famous person or actor or anything.

00:46:46.500 That shit just seemed like a million miles away to me and totally fanciful.

00:46:49.180 Oh, for sure.

00:46:49.320 If you're in the rest of the world, it feels so far away.

00:46:52.160 And then you forget after you're here for a while, how far away it seems to other people.

00:46:57.180 Like if you meet, you know, like just anybody who was in, and it just like, that's like,

00:47:02.320 it was a little, I remember I was 12 years old in Boston and I saw, um, Christopher Lloyd

00:47:07.620 who played the dude on back to the future, you know?

00:47:10.720 Yeah.

00:47:11.160 And I saw him walking down the street.

00:47:12.480 I think he was doing a play.

00:47:13.540 Yeah, exactly.

00:47:14.200 I followed the guy for like six blocks.

00:47:16.740 Like now I'd be like, there's this fucking 12 year old kid following me.

00:47:19.620 Right.

00:47:19.760 You know what I mean?

00:47:20.160 Like I stalked him.

00:47:21.400 Like I couldn't believe it that it was the guy from back to the future.

00:47:24.440 I lost my mind.

00:47:25.400 Yeah.

00:47:25.960 Um, and it was the only, you know, celebrity famous, whatever person I'd ever seen or not.

00:47:30.420 And, and so my kids are now, they're seeing different stuff.

00:47:33.960 Some of it's useful for them because it disabuses them of some illusions that I think are worth

00:47:38.240 being disabused of.

00:47:39.040 And also, but I'm also like, I don't look, they're going to, if you, if you, their kids

00:47:43.480 are going to kind of be and do what, who they are, what they want to do, which your job

00:47:47.160 is to let them know that they're loved, that they're, keep them safe, you know, provide

00:47:52.000 them opportunities and also not, you know, you got to resist the temptation to, to try

00:47:56.440 to get everything out of the way for them because you're not going to learn anything or develop

00:48:00.160 any grid or, or, uh, resilience if shit's just easy.

00:48:03.860 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:48:04.720 I didn't even thought about that.

00:48:05.620 It's like, you're watching them walk and there's something kind of in their path.

00:48:09.180 And if you take it away completely, then they're not going to learn how to deal with an

00:48:13.140 obstacle.

00:48:13.720 But if you leave it there, then you're going to have to watch them go through an obstacle.

00:48:16.820 That's got to be crazy.

00:48:18.320 And it's hard watching your kids though.

00:48:19.880 Like even trying to climb over something, your instinct is to pick them up, take them

00:48:23.280 over, but you have to like, yes, you don't want them to put their finger in a socket, you

00:48:26.560 know what I mean?

00:48:26.840 Or throw off a cliff.

00:48:27.760 And, but that doesn't mean life has to be hard.

00:48:31.400 Yeah.

00:48:31.600 It has to be difficult in some ways.

00:48:33.700 It doesn't have to be, shouldn't be traumatic, shouldn't be, you know, awful or painful,

00:48:37.440 but things have to be hard for you to learn to do hard things.

00:48:42.440 Yeah.

00:48:42.560 And this world, like it or not, is going to demand that you do hard shit.

00:48:46.680 If you want to have anything, you know, if you want to be able to provide for your own

00:48:49.980 family, have your own dreams, have, you know, the things that you want to have.

00:48:53.420 Cause if you don't do it, the guy next to you is going to do it better or, you know,

00:48:57.380 or the woman over here is going to do it better and you're going to lose out.

00:48:59.660 Yeah.

00:49:00.060 And also, you know, I don't want my kids to have that first big, tough experience in

00:49:06.660 life and like kind of fall apart.

00:49:08.140 You know, you got it.

00:49:09.160 Like some of the best lessons I ever learned in life were from failure.

00:49:13.240 In fact, for sure.

00:49:14.060 I didn't learn much from success.

00:49:15.340 I learned a lot from failure.

00:49:16.520 You know what I mean?

00:49:17.460 But the most important thing you learn is that you can survive it.

00:49:20.480 You can be okay.

00:49:21.280 Yeah.

00:49:21.440 It can knock you the fuck down.

00:49:23.820 And you, you know, you, it's like getting like when I was a kid where I grew up, I

00:49:27.780 mean, we used to get in fights all the time.

00:49:29.840 Oh yeah.

00:49:30.360 We used to fight all the time.

00:49:30.980 Dude, people used to beat the shit out of me.

00:49:33.360 You'd get punched in the face and get your ass kicked and that's not, and he'd be like,

00:49:36.260 yeah, he kicked your ass.

00:49:37.320 And you go like, and you get up and you come to school the next day and you know what I

00:49:41.240 mean?

00:49:41.400 It's kind of like.

00:49:42.080 Oh, it was a tough day, dude.

00:49:43.040 That first day was so tough.

00:49:45.500 Yeah.

00:49:45.860 You're like, damn, Randy kicked your ass.

00:49:47.720 It's worse that you have to hear about it than like just getting hit five times.

00:49:51.940 It's like, yeah, you kind of get your bell rung.

00:49:53.860 You know what I mean?

00:49:54.580 And, but it's the, like, that's kind of going back to that thing about like embarrassment.

00:49:59.360 Like kids will suffer more from being humiliated than physically hurt.

00:50:03.380 For example, like that's the shit that really is painful.

00:50:06.720 But now I don't, I don't wish to be clear that on my kid, like you don't need to be fighting

00:50:11.680 and shit all the time, but it's, you know, it is valuable to know that you can fail or

00:50:18.160 have something difficult happen, really painful or get your heart broken.

00:50:21.040 And have some girl be like, you know, be like, I don't like, you know what I mean?

00:50:24.140 Embarrassed or whatever.

00:50:24.880 Oh yeah.

00:50:25.240 You're going to be okay.

00:50:26.320 These things are not going to kill you.

00:50:27.720 And in fact, they actually do make you stronger if you kind of go like, okay, that was, if

00:50:33.120 I didn't have some of the resilience that I picked up by, you know, my early life trying

00:50:38.980 to, you know, I would have just kind of given up or collapsed or had bad shit.

00:50:45.260 I'd be like, oh, you know, and I'd fall down and never get up again.

00:50:47.960 Yeah.

00:50:48.300 You'd have no experience and you also, it sharpens your intuition.

00:50:50.860 You start to, it all learns.

00:50:52.100 It's all, it is.

00:50:53.480 If you can see yourself as a tool, sometimes it's definitely harder when you're younger

00:50:56.060 because some of those feelings are new and it hurts so much, you know?

00:50:59.680 Here's the thing, getting better at anything really never feels good.

00:51:02.940 Like if you're building resilience, it's not a time that you're liking, you know what I

00:51:07.520 mean?

00:51:08.020 It doesn't feel good.

00:51:09.040 Like, so that's what, okay.

00:51:10.200 I don't like this.

00:51:10.960 This feels like shit, but because it's hard because I can't lift these weights anymore

00:51:14.960 because I can't, these other, you know, I'm exhausted and the other kids are still, you

00:51:19.240 know, running sprints or whatever, you know, but like those are the moments for what it's

00:51:24.440 worth where you're getting better.

00:51:25.680 What is, um, what's something that you admire about each of your children just so one day

00:51:29.300 they can look back and, and, um, you know, I mean, the thing I really, that I care most

00:51:35.220 about, and it's, it's true of all three of my kids is that all of them have like an innate,

00:51:41.180 like goodness of character, like a kindness.

00:51:44.240 They don't, they're not trying to go out and hurt other people.

00:51:47.380 They, they, and they have empathy.

00:51:48.520 Like they care about and respect other people doesn't mean, you know, um, that obviously

00:51:54.360 they don't make mistakes or they're perfect or whatever, but that basic thing about them

00:51:57.620 is, is really, really important.

00:51:59.860 I think it's, it's definitely also credit to their mom who's, who's amazing and who's

00:52:04.540 spectacular and it's great.

00:52:05.940 Like, I mean, we're divorced, but we, we, I think do pretty good together, uh, raising

00:52:10.120 the kids, going back and forth and all that stuff.

00:52:11.940 And they're, I mean, they're all looked at, I think, you know, like any parent, you're

00:52:15.840 gonna be like, my kid's so cool.

00:52:17.680 And my, uh, like something you admire, like individually about them.

00:52:20.860 That's maybe unique.

00:52:21.780 And if it's too personal, I'm not trying to, no, not at all.

00:52:24.620 Listen, I think truly, um, there's so much that I don't want, I just don't want to come

00:52:29.800 off.

00:52:30.020 And I know my kids will be like, dad, don't fucking go on there and talk about me.

00:52:33.220 You know what I mean?

00:52:33.660 So I'm like, my son especially is like, dude, he's right now watching this like, oh no, no,

00:52:37.540 no.

00:52:38.100 Uh, but here's the truth.

00:52:40.180 My, my oldest one has got a beautiful, like commitment and sense of like wanting to make

00:52:46.720 the world truly a, a better place.

00:52:48.580 And she'll put her money where her mouth is like, she doesn't want to do something.

00:52:52.100 She's not asking other people to do.

00:52:53.880 She makes personal sacrifice.

00:52:55.760 She has that kind of integrity.

00:52:57.160 You know, my middle child is really, um, is this incredible, like feels things deeply

00:53:04.660 like artists, you know, uh, kind of is, is brilliant and so funny.

00:53:09.420 And my son has got like this incredible, like joy of life and magnetism and sweetness and

00:53:15.560 goodness to him.

00:53:16.380 Um, and like, that's the stuff where it's like, whether you can like dunk a basketball

00:53:20.440 or write a great paper, like great.

00:53:22.520 And I'm not, you know, but like that, that's the shit that to me is more important than

00:53:26.260 like kind of internal character stuff.

00:53:27.900 Yeah.

00:53:27.980 That's cool, dude.

00:53:29.380 That's nice, man.

00:53:30.320 Yeah.

00:53:30.520 It's nice to hear dads talk about their kids.

00:53:32.200 You know, I think sometimes you just don't hear it enough sometimes, you know, I agree.

00:53:35.920 I think it's, it's so important.

00:53:39.000 Like, Oh yeah.

00:53:39.940 Well, it's important thing in the world.

00:53:41.040 There's not as many male leaders and as many male teachers as there were.

00:53:43.520 There's not as many, like there's, there's a space where we're missing a gap of mentorship

00:53:46.940 from male to male.

00:53:47.940 Cause a lot of people will, some people were pedophiles or whatever, but outside of those

00:53:51.540 people, it's like, there's not as many.

00:53:53.720 Let's rule those fuckers out.

00:53:54.740 Yeah.

00:53:56.080 Well, also anybody pop around to, he's driving around taking pictures of kids.

00:53:59.720 Anybody else would be arrested for taking a photo of a kid in public.

00:54:03.260 But, but, and I think absolutely boys need, um, and so do girls like you need to see that

00:54:10.040 there's good men.

00:54:10.860 You need to understand that good men are accountable.

00:54:13.220 They tell the truth.

00:54:14.100 They can say they're sorry when they make a mistake.

00:54:15.660 They're strong.

00:54:16.240 You can rely on them.

00:54:17.340 They're funny like that.

00:54:18.140 They can show you strength and love and, and, and all this stuff that is good and beautiful

00:54:23.400 and what you, the people you want to be drawn to in your future life about masculinity, you

00:54:28.500 want to know and see that modeled.

00:54:30.240 And if you don't, first of all, you in their, their children who are expecting, cause we're

00:54:35.160 as children expecting to have that.

00:54:36.700 If you don't, it fucks you up.

00:54:37.980 And if you don't see what that looks like, you don't know kind of what to look for.

00:54:43.120 Oh yeah, dude.

00:54:43.960 Did you have a fun, like, do you have a memory of your dad that was like fun with, for you?

00:54:48.060 I'm trying to think of one.

00:54:48.820 My dad would, dude, my dad was like, I'm trying to, my dad was really old when I was born.

00:54:53.380 And so my dad was 70 when he, when, when I was born, right?

00:54:56.220 He was born in 1910.

00:54:57.840 Dad was a serious guy.

00:55:00.280 Yeah.

00:55:00.480 I wish he had some money, which was crazy.

00:55:02.260 Cause usually if a woman's hooking up with an older guy, he's got some money.

00:55:05.000 He's got some money.

00:55:05.920 What did your dad have going for him?

00:55:08.080 It was not money, dude.

00:55:09.320 It wasn't money.

00:55:10.340 It must've been charming.

00:55:11.200 He didn't have a bank.

00:55:11.960 Listen, he was very charming.

00:55:13.480 My dad was very, very charming.

00:55:14.920 But he would like take me to the, like, um, he would like go sometimes have a beer by like

00:55:19.040 this bar at the railroad tracks and he would like let me walk on the bar.

00:55:22.320 He'd like, and they had like these little bowl of chocolates or whatever.

00:55:24.680 And if the bartender, I remember if I danced good, she would like give me some, some of the, uh, chocolates

00:55:29.820 or whatever, and he'd be like, go wiggle for chocolates or whatever.

00:55:33.060 And I remember, so I just remember, I think you like when my dad pimped me out, that was

00:55:36.600 a good time.

00:55:37.940 Well, he was just a, he was just pimping me for confections, you know, or sugars, you

00:55:42.280 know, it was kind of an outtake from that movie, Chuck a lot, if you've ever seen that.

00:55:45.800 But, um, but yeah, he would be like, go wiggle for chocolates.

00:55:48.780 And I just remember that was one thing that I remember.

00:55:50.700 Anyway, sorry.

00:55:51.500 I made that about me, but it was nice to, to take that walk down memory lane.

00:55:54.640 Yeah, it's fun.

00:55:55.500 Well, I, there's things I remember about it, like the bowls of peanuts and just like being

00:55:59.640 in a bar, like at like 5 p.m.

00:56:01.220 Cause my dad was older, he would go to rest, he would rest pretty early, but, um, I remember

00:56:04.900 that's funny.

00:56:05.340 Cause I was going to say, Oh, I don't have that, that kind of memories of my dad really.

00:56:10.140 But the truth is like, you know, after he, he got out of the house, you know, as a kid,

00:56:14.620 he, we, he worked at bars.

00:56:16.060 And so that's where I go see him up at the bars and he was like bookie and, you know, taking

00:56:19.940 bets on the side.

00:56:20.940 Oh, really?

00:56:21.620 Yeah.

00:56:21.940 A little bit.

00:56:22.460 And, and he was, um, but that, that's what he did.

00:56:24.840 He was, was bartender.

00:56:26.060 And then, uh, for, for, for that, for that period of life when I was kind of eight, nine,

00:56:31.680 10, 11, 12, whatever.

00:56:32.780 Did they have a jukebox in there or anything?

00:56:33.760 They had a jukebox.

00:56:34.500 And then he'd be like, Oh, go get the cigarette machine.

00:56:36.180 And I went into the bar and it was cool to visit him in there.

00:56:38.260 Remember the cigarette machine?

00:56:39.040 They had that pull out thing.

00:56:39.700 Yeah, you could pull on them.

00:56:40.680 And by that was the days when they'd be like, tell you, the kid that go to the store and

00:56:43.320 get me some cigarettes.

00:56:43.840 You walk in eight years old, buy cigarettes.

00:56:45.680 And so yeah, exactly.

00:56:46.880 But yeah.

00:56:47.420 And also we were, I mean, my brother had gone to the bar.

00:56:49.700 Yeah.

00:56:49.900 And that, that, those are, there was some, I do have some kind of fond memories of, of,

00:56:56.200 of that.

00:56:56.840 Uh, I wish I had more of them, which is one of the reasons why, uh, like it's important

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01:00:16.020 What else is something I want to ask you about?

01:00:18.160 Did you, was it weird?

01:00:20.980 Were you, um, were you famous before your brother was famous?

01:00:25.840 Is that a weird question?

01:00:26.800 Uh, not at all.

01:00:27.720 Um, you know, I guess, yeah, a little bit like in the sense that he was in Good Will Hunting

01:00:34.180 with me and Matt and he was fucking brilliant in it.

01:00:38.480 And then, um, but you know, like anybody like, and Matt's like, who's like, you know, my best

01:00:43.740 friend as a kid and stuff like Matt Damon, you know, you had like, and he got more famous

01:00:47.360 of Good Will Hunting and then my brother, you know, so you kind of, and you know, people

01:00:50.500 if you really like try to map it out, like those sort of how famous are you, which is

01:00:55.220 kind of a weird and a hard thing to tell.

01:00:56.720 I agree.

01:00:57.080 It kind of moves around, but, um, my brother was always a working actor and then he became,

01:01:01.940 you know, he, he, he really established, of course, won the Oscar for acting and, and

01:01:07.100 kind of established himself as a great actor and, um, had a more steady kind of arc.

01:01:11.840 In Pittsburgh, remember?

01:01:12.820 With Michelle?

01:01:13.640 Uh, uh, oh yeah.

01:01:15.100 Um, um, you're talking about, uh, Manchester by the Sea.

01:01:17.500 Yeah.

01:01:17.780 Manchester by the Sea.

01:01:18.720 Yeah.

01:01:19.200 Yeah.

01:01:19.400 That's what he, what he won the Oscar for.

01:01:21.060 He was amazing in that movie.

01:01:22.200 Yeah.

01:01:22.480 Yeah.

01:01:22.600 God, it was so good.

01:01:23.900 Is it, um, yeah, I just always.

01:01:25.560 He's a great actor, my brother.

01:01:26.380 Is it, uh, yeah.

01:01:28.140 Are you guys pretty close?

01:01:29.520 We are, you know, we're, we're, we're close.

01:01:31.420 We, um, he's got great kids.

01:01:32.940 I love his kids and, uh, he's a great guy.

01:01:35.360 And, you know, you, you, you know, um.

01:01:37.820 I guess you get through phases in life too, where you're kind of like people are, you're

01:01:41.020 kind of doing the same thing or you're just in different spaces.

01:01:43.660 Well, that's what happens when you kind of really like get older.

01:01:46.280 And then we were like, it was up to 30 or whatever.

01:01:48.780 I was just like hanging out with guys all the time.

01:01:50.840 You know what I mean?

01:01:51.280 We're going out, we're doing this or whatever.

01:01:52.880 And that was kind of life most of it.

01:01:54.900 And so you see all your friends all the time.

01:01:56.560 And my brother was one of the, you know, we'd all hang out and then you have kids, you

01:01:59.540 have family.

01:01:59.940 And then it's kind of like, okay, I'm going to have Friday at five or whatever for seven

01:02:04.560 or whatever.

01:02:04.800 And then you kind of have to, you lose a little bit of that bigger network of like, who are,

01:02:09.580 who are the, like, I know who 10 of these guys are.

01:02:12.020 Who are the other six?

01:02:12.940 You know, that starts to kind of go away and, and you kind of have to be more selective.

01:02:17.180 But, um, you know, uh, my brother's is, is a brilliant, funny, amazing guy.

01:02:22.740 And his kids are, it's a joy to see his kids grow up and be, you know,

01:02:27.180 Yeah.

01:02:27.320 Being an uncle's fun.

01:02:28.220 Oh, it's the best.

01:02:28.960 Cause then you don't really, you can kind of just like let them do shit.

01:02:31.900 You know, you don't have to be really the dad, you know, I'll tell you this.

01:02:34.460 So there was, um, I live in Nashville, so I moved there about four years ago and there

01:02:38.280 was, so the other night there's like tornadoes or something.

01:02:40.900 And I didn't know, like, and I live in like, it's a nice neighborhood, but it's nothing

01:02:44.060 crazy.

01:02:44.480 It's not like rich enough where you're away from tornadoes, you know, you better be pretty

01:02:48.520 how rich you have to be to get away from tornadoes.

01:02:50.600 I don't know.

01:02:51.260 I'm still in the wind district, you know?

01:02:53.880 So there's a fricking tornado warning.

01:02:56.300 There's sirens going off over town.

01:02:57.820 I didn't even know we had sirens.

01:02:59.180 So I'm texting my nephew.

01:03:00.740 Thank God I called him twice.

01:03:02.180 And then finally I texted him.

01:03:03.140 I was like, dude, uh, I was like, bro, tornado warning.

01:03:06.880 What do I do?

01:03:07.440 And he's in middle school or whatever.

01:03:09.320 And thank God he's like, get under your desk.

01:03:11.800 That's what he fucking says at 4am.

01:03:13.980 And I was like, dude, I don't have a fucking desk.

01:03:17.680 You know what I'm saying?

01:03:18.720 And he goes, don't curse at me over text.

01:03:21.620 And I'm like, this fucking kid does not know how to support a family member.

01:03:25.200 But it's just like, uh, that's hilarious.

01:03:29.160 Anyway, I don't even know what I told you that story about.

01:03:31.200 What are we talking about?

01:03:31.780 Weather?

01:03:32.420 I don't know.

01:03:33.340 Family members.

01:03:34.040 Oh, yeah.

01:03:34.420 And what it's like to be an uncle.

01:03:35.920 Yeah.

01:03:36.140 I get to see my nieces and they're coming for Easter tomorrow.

01:03:38.840 So I'm excited about that.

01:03:39.720 But yeah.

01:03:40.600 Yeah.

01:03:40.920 Being an uncle is so much fun.

01:03:41.820 How many nieces and nephews you got?

01:03:43.840 I got five total.

01:03:45.000 One of them just went to prom.

01:03:46.120 So I got to be there when she took pictures.

01:03:47.680 I was in Baton Rouge for that.

01:03:49.140 Oh, that's great.

01:03:49.580 Um, it's fun.

01:03:50.820 Yeah.

01:03:51.080 And you kind of get to be like a little bit of the confidant.

01:03:53.300 Like you're kind of like on the edge of dad.

01:03:55.160 Cause they'll tell you stuff.

01:03:56.720 That's kind of like, you can't talk to your parents about like whatever, you know, something,

01:04:00.760 but you can kind of let, you know, the uncle kind of know.

01:04:03.260 And you, so you can be kind of on the side a little bit, a little cooler, even if you're

01:04:06.700 really not that much cool.

01:04:07.600 And they're like, don't try to play it off like that.

01:04:09.520 But you kind of get away with it a little bit.

01:04:11.720 And you know, you got to like, you can't, you can't push it.

01:04:15.420 You know what I mean?

01:04:15.840 But it's like, and you got to know when to snitch to on them too.

01:04:18.620 And tell the dad what's going on.

01:04:20.460 Did you, um, let me think about a movie thing.

01:04:23.080 Oh, did you get to keep your Batman outfit?

01:04:25.780 I did.

01:04:26.340 Yeah, I did.

01:04:26.960 In fact, that's at our office.

01:04:28.740 And it's, um, it's one of those things people like, it's like, uh, it's one of those things

01:04:33.460 that sort of like, I don't know, people like to see it.

01:04:37.080 It kind of reminds me a little bit of like planet Hollywood a little bit.

01:04:39.500 I'm always like, Oh, you get this bats rubber bat suit here.

01:04:41.840 It's just, but it's like, I don't know.

01:04:43.980 It's hard to tell.

01:04:44.660 Like, look, I get it.

01:04:45.960 That's a kind of a cool movie souvenir.

01:04:47.500 Sometimes I feel like if you put a grapefruit on like TV every week, you know what I mean?

01:04:52.580 And then you just put it to the mall.

01:04:53.840 People will go by and be like, Oh, there's that grapefruit from TV.

01:04:55.940 You know what I mean?

01:04:56.580 So it's sometimes I would tell whether something's interesting because it's interesting or because,

01:04:59.960 but, but I can see how that is kind of interesting.

01:05:02.140 The most interesting thing about it when people see it is like, damn, how do you wear this?

01:05:05.660 And it's true.

01:05:06.860 It is like of all the, those type of roles and stuff, like the superhero thing that the outfits make it a lot harder to do your job because you're kind of constrained and they're real hot.

01:05:18.340 It's like, you know, when like wrestlers, like when I was a kid used to run around like trash bags to lose weight because you just dump all the water.

01:05:24.200 You know what I mean?

01:05:24.860 Like that's sort of what those outfits do.

01:05:27.180 Oh yeah.

01:05:27.640 You'd see like some guy just with his, yeah.

01:05:29.480 You'd see some guy in your neighborhood who's on the wrestling team or whatever.

01:05:32.200 I knew they had a wrestling team and then he's running down the street like a California raisin.

01:05:37.080 Trying to lose 15 pounds in 10 minutes.

01:05:40.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:41.700 He's just spitting on his family members and he's just cursing because they say cursing helps you burn calories or whatever.

01:05:47.860 Um, yeah, that's kind of interesting, but you would, but you never like put it back on for anything fun or to surprise family members.

01:05:53.900 I did it for my kid's birthday when he was, yeah, my son's birthday.

01:05:57.120 And he was like, he was a little young, but I was, it was fun.

01:06:00.060 I got the pictures now.

01:06:00.940 Now he's like, I guess that was cool.

01:06:02.540 You did that at the time.

01:06:03.380 I didn't know what the fuck you were doing.

01:06:04.380 And I'm like, but it was cool though.

01:06:05.700 Do I get credit for it now?

01:06:07.020 He's like, I guess he barely, but, but I, I had fun.

01:06:10.300 And that was the whole reason I did it.

01:06:11.680 Like, let me be Batman.

01:06:12.660 My son, like, how cool is it?

01:06:13.980 Your dad's Batman.

01:06:14.960 My son was like, you know, three and shit.

01:06:16.900 And he, so he was like scared of the movie, but, but, but, uh, you know, since then it's

01:06:21.380 like, he'd be, it's become kind of in retrospect, I think kind of cool.

01:06:25.640 It's hard to tell what your kids think is cool.

01:06:27.100 Cause most time they're kind of like, uh-huh.

01:06:29.000 Yeah.

01:06:29.280 They don't really tell you kind of, cause it's almost like you're like, yeah, I don't know.

01:06:33.260 I just watched my brother have nephews.

01:06:34.660 Like I want to get a wife and children.

01:06:35.920 I don't have a wife yet, but, um, yeah, you all, it's like your parents are never going to

01:06:40.380 be like, cause like part of the thing is like, you don't, you can't like, you need to

01:06:45.080 separate from your parents, right?

01:06:46.140 You need to like move away, get out of the house, that whole thing, like move on, become

01:06:48.960 your own, your own man and all that stuff.

01:06:50.740 And if you're too wrapped up in like your folks and you, you know, you can, you know,

01:06:56.820 it gets in the way of that.

01:06:57.940 Right.

01:06:58.020 You know what I mean?

01:06:58.320 Yeah.

01:06:58.420 You got to start to slowly separate in those ways that kids do.

01:07:01.040 So there's part of it where they're like, you know, and it comes off like, well, I'm

01:07:03.780 like, Hey, you guys want to play some games?

01:07:05.080 I'm like, close the door.

01:07:05.800 Yeah.

01:07:06.020 Get out of my room.

01:07:06.640 Close the door.

01:07:06.980 I'm like, just, so just leave.

01:07:08.420 You know what I mean?

01:07:08.820 Oh, and then there's that moment.

01:07:11.000 It's the first time you kind of close the door and there's that moment where the dad's

01:07:13.540 just by the door and he's kind of sad, but he's in the hall.

01:07:16.020 But then he goes in his room, he takes three steps and he's like, Oh good.

01:07:19.120 I got some free time.

01:07:20.500 But there is that moment.

01:07:21.820 It is.

01:07:22.220 Yeah.

01:07:22.540 Absolutely.

01:07:22.940 And they come back around.

01:07:24.240 You know what I mean?

01:07:24.900 Do you think, um, I auditioned for a project green light movie that you guys had years ago.

01:07:28.680 Really?

01:07:29.160 Yeah.

01:07:29.320 It was one where there was like a guy in a wheelchair and there were like dangerous people

01:07:33.640 were coming in.

01:07:34.340 Like you were trapped in a bar or something.

01:07:36.260 Feast.

01:07:36.660 Maybe the horror movie.

01:07:37.720 Yeah.

01:07:38.000 Yeah.

01:07:38.220 Yeah.

01:07:38.540 Yeah.

01:07:38.600 I just remembered that.

01:07:39.520 That's crazy.

01:07:40.280 You auditioned for it?

01:07:40.680 Really?

01:07:41.180 Yeah.

01:07:41.360 Oh, I was not any good.

01:07:42.540 Wow.

01:07:42.780 I'm not a good at it.

01:07:43.500 I would not.

01:07:44.020 I think it's a bad idea to do that.

01:07:45.560 I just, um, but anyway, I just remember that it popped in my head.

01:07:48.820 Do you still have project green light?

01:07:50.540 It's, um, no, it's not.

01:07:52.220 I mean, it's not currently we did it with the company.

01:07:54.400 We haven't, but we, we are not doing it now.

01:07:57.580 And we took it, we, we had it on for a while back then and then brought it back.

01:08:01.700 And it's interesting.

01:08:02.640 I really liked it.

01:08:04.500 And I thought it was interesting that like, cause it's because that's what I do.

01:08:08.320 And I know, okay, that's tricky.

01:08:09.480 Like it's hard.

01:08:10.100 You got all this drama that comes up on a movie, but when we had like a million dollars to

01:08:14.060 make the movie and everybody like a million dollars, like that's like nothing.

01:08:17.560 And now it's almost setting people up.

01:08:19.920 It will kind of just be like, then you just be doing a show about people getting into arguments

01:08:24.000 and smashing things and having a breakdown because you can't really even do it for a

01:08:27.500 million dollars, like times of change, unions and wages and all that stuff.

01:08:30.400 Like you're, you know, so, but I, I really liked that idea of that show and, and what

01:08:36.340 we were able to, cause to me it was about like also creating opportunities for people

01:08:39.980 that are outside Hollywood, you know, who could come in and be like, look, I know what

01:08:44.080 I'm doing.

01:08:44.340 I want to do something.

01:08:45.120 And then you got to like, okay, well let's see what you can do.

01:08:48.440 What, um, do you think Tom Brady's good as an announcer?

01:08:52.660 Yeah.

01:08:53.180 I think Tom's good as an announcer.

01:08:54.380 I think he's look me too, dude.

01:08:57.420 I think he's really smart, obviously about football.

01:09:00.960 I think that like, it's a, it's a, um, people kind of, you and you're the, like the greatest

01:09:06.360 quarterback ever lived.

01:09:07.320 They think, well, okay, now he's going to come in and change broadcasting for good.

01:09:10.800 And, and like just being a normal human being, it seems kind of like, I mean, who do you want

01:09:16.160 to listen to analyze something?

01:09:17.880 Like if I want to like somebody to tell me about like a, you know, a concert, like I

01:09:22.860 want to hear from, you know, some great musician, you know, if I'm, if you're, you figure, well,

01:09:27.260 nobody's going to have better or wiser analysis analysis than Tom, maybe not about like telling

01:09:32.640 jokes or whatever.

01:09:33.500 That's something different.

01:09:34.560 Yeah.

01:09:34.840 But yeah, I think so.

01:09:36.240 Um, but he's a surgeon.

01:09:37.680 He seems like a surgeon when he's talking about it and the way he breaks down certain moments

01:09:41.000 and how long it takes to do certain things.

01:09:43.140 He's like, well, they got about this many yards, they're going to have to move about

01:09:45.740 this many, this many yards a second.

01:09:47.400 Like, he's definitely, you start to see who he really is.

01:09:50.440 You start to see how much analysis went into that.

01:09:53.200 I still think one of his like real, like one of the things that really separated him

01:09:57.500 because, you know, everybody knows about how like, you know, he, you know, he was like

01:10:00.720 drafted late and all this stuff like, and there's, you know, his, his like combine numbers

01:10:05.660 weren't like, you know, so people weren't just like, this guy's going to be amazing.

01:10:08.340 I feel like one of the things that he has that people didn't really talk about is like,

01:10:13.180 and this is so fucking important is like, I feel like he, he has this thing where he

01:10:17.440 doesn't get tight.

01:10:18.340 He just doesn't get nervous.

01:10:20.140 Like, I think that the, there is a huge advantage.

01:10:23.840 Imagine like you're in the Super Bowl and it's like, you know, fourth and eight and you

01:10:27.420 got, you know, you don't get nervous and you win.

01:10:29.880 You're good.

01:10:30.820 Everyone else's heart rate is banging their head.

01:10:33.480 Adrenaline.

01:10:34.000 I think it's what makes actors good too.

01:10:35.520 Good actors at certain moments.

01:10:36.640 Getting relaxed, the ability to relax in tense situations where other people get tense

01:10:41.400 because tension and stress, it locks you up.

01:10:43.980 You know, you panic.

01:10:44.720 It's like everything.

01:10:45.580 It's all bad.

01:10:46.340 Oh, it's horrible.

01:10:47.160 That's when, yeah, dude, it's definitely, there's moments.

01:10:49.520 The first time I'd ever audition, I was like, open the windows, open the windows.

01:10:52.220 I'm like, there's not a lot of windows in here.

01:10:53.680 And they're like, they're already open.

01:10:55.100 I remember I was, I kept blacking out and then I had to like do some scene that I didn't

01:10:58.760 even care about.

01:10:59.300 What are we doing here?

01:11:01.140 Why are we doing that?

01:11:02.580 I'm sorry.

01:11:03.220 That was not a plan.

01:11:06.240 Oh yeah, dude, I want to tell you about the, you ever see that Dunkin' Donuts commercial?

01:11:09.400 Because I know you did a commercial with them.

01:11:10.840 Yeah.

01:11:11.100 You ever see the one where they shut down that one and, uh, uh, is it Boy Shoboik?

01:11:17.280 What is it?

01:11:17.980 I play it.

01:11:18.860 Shemokin.

01:11:20.600 Dunkin's Closed by Fire.

01:11:21.700 That's my favorite, dude.

01:11:23.080 A coffee shop in Shemokin is closed following an arson over the weekend.

01:11:26.520 We say a teenager is responsible for all that damage.

01:11:29.660 These Watch 16's Nikki Crys joins us live from the Central Pennsylvania Newsroom with more

01:11:33.540 tonight, Nikki.

01:11:35.760 Julie, a lot of people in Shemokin are upset that Dunkin' Donuts is closed because they

01:11:40.380 didn't have anywhere else to go for coffee and donuts.

01:11:43.160 Today, we also learned new information about the teenage girl police charged with setting

01:11:47.780 the place on fire.

01:11:50.000 Setting the fire is currently at a juvenile detention center.

01:11:54.220 Many people who live in Shemokin are upset that Dunkin' Donuts is closed.

01:11:58.180 Now I have to rely on myself to go to maybe a Turkey Hill or something where I don't like

01:12:02.920 their donuts.

01:12:03.740 I'd rather the donuts at Dunkin' Donuts.

01:12:06.060 And I'm kind of dealing with it, but I really miss Dunkin' Donuts.

01:12:10.560 I go there every day.

01:12:11.600 I get a chicken baker croissant or I get some coffee, Powerade.

01:12:14.740 If I'm dehydrated, I sit there all the time.

01:12:17.420 If I have any, like, legal work that I need to do, I go there.

01:12:20.340 I meet with my attorneys there.

01:12:21.800 I'm going to miss that place on there if it don't open up.

01:12:25.680 Yeah, a lot of my friends go in there, get the cold coffee, iced coffee, I guess it's

01:12:31.840 called.

01:12:32.580 People miss their local hangout and hope Dunkin' Donuts is real soon.

01:12:35.480 Yeah, anyway, that's just it.

01:12:36.500 When that one closed down, man, it was just like a real, people kind of went bananas on

01:12:40.340 the internet.

01:12:40.440 Because it turns out, guys, the legal clinic got shut down.

01:12:43.960 That's smart.

01:12:44.880 I always sit there with my attorneys.

01:12:46.420 My probation officer meets me in there.

01:12:49.160 I usually deal out of that place.

01:12:51.020 I'm like, all right.

01:12:52.580 You don't know.

01:12:53.920 When a Dunkin' Donuts closes down, you don't realize how many lives intersect in that one

01:12:58.880 place.

01:12:59.220 The whole community is paralyzed.

01:13:00.840 Yeah.

01:13:01.620 What's something else that you want to direct, man?

01:13:04.240 Is there something?

01:13:05.160 What about you directing Timothee Chalamet?

01:13:06.940 That'd be so dope.

01:13:07.620 Oh, he's a terrific actor, man.

01:13:09.180 He's great.

01:13:09.860 And that's really what you kind of like, no matter what you do, a big part of it is 90%

01:13:16.200 of it is, as they say, is like picking the right actors.

01:13:19.000 Because there's really nothing you can do.

01:13:21.260 You're kind of like, okay, now go ahead.

01:13:22.760 And you can get about 10% calibration.

01:13:25.840 But the right people for the right role is so much a part of what goes into directing.

01:13:31.740 That's what I was talking about, like kind of understanding what people sort of think

01:13:34.860 about or assumptions they have about actors that they are going to watch.

01:13:38.060 There's a lot of actors that I would love to work with that I'm lucky to have worked

01:13:43.020 with some great ones so far.

01:13:44.240 And I have a movie that I've just finished shooting called Animals.

01:13:48.820 That's going to be out on Netflix that I directed.

01:13:51.060 Oh, congrats, dude.

01:13:52.040 Yeah.

01:13:52.400 And I may even direct another movie next year, which is actually pretty quick.

01:13:58.840 But it's not all set up yet.

01:14:00.740 But it's something that I really love doing.

01:14:03.280 And I will do it, especially like, I got one kid that's in college now.

01:14:09.180 And the other two, like by the time my son, who's 13, goes to college, then I plan on kind

01:14:13.680 of just directing all the time.

01:14:15.080 But like I said, it takes so much focus and energy that one of the regrets I have, even

01:14:19.700 about movies that I really like and I'm proud of, is like what periods of time that I miss

01:14:24.600 with my kids.

01:14:25.140 Because that just doesn't come back.

01:14:27.200 So you almost have to plan ahead.

01:14:28.260 Like, okay, maybe they're going to be on a semester abroad.

01:14:30.380 Or this is going to be going on.

01:14:31.280 Or like this allows them, like I do them in LA, you know what I mean?

01:14:33.360 So I'm not traveling.

01:14:33.960 So I'm coming home for dinner and come, you know, and just make that a, make that the

01:14:37.120 priority.

01:14:37.660 But it's, it's, it's a part of what, why I slow down a bunch from directing because

01:14:41.840 it just, in order to do it in a way that I understood that it required, like it just

01:14:46.960 requires almost total commitment and concentration.

01:14:49.960 Yeah, man.

01:14:50.400 Because we, yeah, we got to keep telling good stories because it's important.

01:14:53.120 That's how people learn things and that's how you remember things.

01:14:55.160 And they become part of like, you know, history.

01:14:57.340 They really kind of tell history a lot of times.

01:14:59.260 Um, yeah, it's definitely interesting about, oh, you said something about, oh yeah, the

01:15:07.120 shooting in Hollywood has become so tough, huh?

01:15:09.120 But it's supposed to, it's supposed to be getting easier.

01:15:11.200 Well, you know, it's tricky because what happened, one of the things that's happened is that like,

01:15:15.920 first of all, movies just used to be made here.

01:15:17.580 Like, you know, country music was made everywhere.

01:15:19.680 Like that's how it was.

01:15:20.500 And then you had other states and countries that started kind of offering incentives because

01:15:27.760 that felt like, you know, if we bring this business here and like, it stimulates all our

01:15:31.820 other businesses.

01:15:32.360 Cause there's this huge, uh, kind of trickle down effect of from the restaurants, the dry

01:15:37.560 cleaners, the drivers to blah, blah, blah, blah, all this money into the economy.

01:15:41.600 And, you know, LA or California didn't really, I think whatever, I'm not sure they didn't

01:15:48.160 respond or try to compete.

01:15:49.240 They have a small incentive now and they've, they've actually broadened it some.

01:15:52.960 And I think they're aware of it, but, but it's, it's tricky.

01:15:56.200 Whereas other states and they're kind of controversial.

01:15:57.880 Some states have, have felt like they worked out for them and they're happy.

01:16:00.680 Georgia has got a huge incentive program.

01:16:02.380 They get all, I mean, you know, a lot of Marvel movies shoot down there.

01:16:04.920 I got a place in Georgia and I, you know, that's, that's, I filmed in Georgia.

01:16:08.100 It's, it's in fact, the count was, we filmed in Georgia and that's why, right?

01:16:11.420 They start offering the incentives, obviously been successful for California has ego about

01:16:15.340 it in some weird way.

01:16:16.220 It's hard to figure out.

01:16:17.100 Yeah.

01:16:17.280 I'm not, I don't really know enough about the politics of it to know.

01:16:20.240 It seems to me like, and I think it's like, well, we've always had it here.

01:16:22.820 We don't have to give the incentives.

01:16:24.360 Like that's, what's pulling people, right?

01:16:26.120 People that, but it's like, but now everybody's moved and moving away and move around.

01:16:30.620 And if you can't make a movie without the, the, the crew is what's going to make or break

01:16:34.200 your movie.

01:16:34.580 Now you have 3000 people flying to like Tibet or whatever to shoot for, you know, like

01:16:39.780 the UK, they give out, they do these big, so it was like, yeah, Louisiana did it for

01:16:43.700 Harry Potter movies and all the like DZ movie, all these, this stuff goes and shoots like

01:16:48.840 out of the country.

01:16:49.900 You know, look, it's obviously selfishly, like this is where my kids are.

01:16:55.540 So this is where I want to be, but also the best technicians I believe in the world by

01:17:00.160 and large are here and they're really artists too.

01:17:02.520 And they're ready to work too.

01:17:03.700 A lot of them, they've been waiting.

01:17:04.880 And look, you have these fires and all this stuff.

01:17:06.560 It's like, but look, it's hard all over and I get it.

01:17:09.220 I don't begrudge anybody, anything.

01:17:10.640 I would like to preserve like, look, it's a big business for this country, right?

01:17:16.680 Like show business.

01:17:17.400 This is something that we make that everybody buys all over the world.

01:17:19.920 Oh, for sure.

01:17:20.520 We buy a lot of shit from other countries, right?

01:17:21.580 Like this is something that people want to buy from us.

01:17:24.100 Well, I'm amazed that I was talking about this with somebody and it may have been, um,

01:17:29.120 damn, I can't remember.

01:17:29.960 My brain's off on the weekend, but, um, but we're talking about how California hasn't really

01:17:35.040 done a great job of like kind of museuming some of the, all, a lot of great parts about

01:17:41.680 that were in movies and like, you know, Sidney Poitier, this is where he lived for 20 years

01:17:46.180 or, you know, this is the bad news bears park where they play like Brady Bunch house.

01:17:50.220 Right.

01:17:50.400 There's some of it, but, and it's like bits and pieces on the internet, but it doesn't

01:17:53.480 seem as preserved.

01:17:54.400 Like when you get here, you almost think it would seem like more of a museum in itself.

01:17:58.800 The time I think people didn't think about it or somebody's house they rented or whatever

01:18:02.320 it was, but yeah, they haven't really, I mean, you know, you can do some of these tours

01:18:05.660 and stuff, but it's kind of like, uh, I think California, I'm not, I still feel like,

01:18:10.260 you know, I'm a resident now like that I'm from somewhere else, you know, from Boston.

01:18:13.840 And so it seems like California is like, um, it's felt, I think in a way like, Hey, people

01:18:19.680 come here, you know what I mean?

01:18:21.000 So we don't need to bring people here, but like times are changing.

01:18:24.460 Movie business, like you say, is changing.

01:18:25.900 It's a theatrical business is changing.

01:18:27.500 It's all, you know, the, the number you're looking at the thing that people, one thing

01:18:32.120 that people watch more than anything else, which is just YouTube.

01:18:36.100 Yeah.

01:18:36.280 Oh, for sure.

01:18:37.560 But accountant two is in, uh, account two's out theaters on Friday and this Friday.

01:18:43.320 Yes.

01:18:43.840 Yeah.

01:18:45.000 Go out and see it.

01:18:45.880 And it's great.

01:18:46.600 Do I take a date?

01:18:47.980 Do I take my cut?

01:18:49.040 Who do I take?

01:18:49.560 Take your whole family?

01:18:50.280 Everybody, you know, actually the truth is, is a movie that anybody can see.

01:18:53.900 Like real accountants better like it.

01:18:57.140 That's the core.

01:18:57.860 If accountants don't like it, we're still fucked.

01:19:00.060 I mean, you know what I'm saying?

01:19:01.280 You're going to call the movie, the waiter and waiters don't go.

01:19:04.840 You think anyone else is coming?

01:19:06.700 But, uh, it's, yeah, man.

01:19:08.500 It's, it's a movie that I think honestly, like works for, you know, it's, it's smart

01:19:13.860 and it's not like, oh, well, only young people like this or only old people like this.

01:19:17.100 It's got everything.

01:19:18.400 It's, it's hard to make a movie that I think strikes this chord and kind of works for a

01:19:21.760 broad audience and it is better seeing it in the theater.

01:19:23.960 So, and, uh, it's one that I'll be willing to leverage my kind of personal word and credibility.

01:19:28.480 I'm like, go see it.

01:19:29.280 You won't regret it.

01:19:29.800 It's really good.

01:19:30.760 You heard that, uh, Ben Affleck.

01:19:33.080 Thanks, man.

01:19:33.760 Thanks for coming in and just sharing and thinking with me and, uh, just having a good

01:19:37.080 time.

01:19:37.280 Thanks for having me, man.

01:19:37.680 This is cool.

01:19:38.180 We're excited.

01:19:38.660 I promise that I'll go see it.

01:19:40.100 And, um, thank you.

01:19:41.220 And I think a lot of people will.

01:19:42.220 I hope so.

01:19:43.000 Listen, a lot of people listen to the show.

01:19:44.380 So, uh, I appreciate it very, very much.

01:19:46.700 Thanks for having me.

01:19:47.220 Tell your son I said hello.

01:19:48.220 I will, dude.

01:19:49.120 Bet.

01:19:49.380 That's, that's right there.

01:19:50.480 That's the whole reason for coming right there.

01:19:51.700 I got it.

01:19:52.220 That makes me cool right there.

01:19:53.260 Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be.

01:20:00.360 I'm a cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found

01:20:09.760 I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take

This Past Weekend with Theo Von - April 24, 2025

#578 - Ben Affleck

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