This Past Weekend with Theo Von - #583 - Chad ＂Ochocinco＂ Johnson

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00:00:59.480 Today's guest is a former NFL wide receiver.

00:01:02.100 He's a commentator.

00:01:02.940 He's a podcast host and many other things.

00:01:06.020 He has a show called Nightcap with Shannon Sharp.

00:01:09.860 He had a huge career with the Cincinnati Bengals.

00:01:12.180 He's just, he's an energy.

00:01:18.140 And I'm grateful to spend time today with Mr. Chad Ochocinco Johnson.

00:01:25.120 Thanks for coming, Chad.

00:01:43.700 Do you feel okay with just getting into it?

00:01:45.260 Do you want to, anything you want to talk about or don't want to talk about?

00:01:47.380 It's not like having sex.

00:01:48.420 Get into it.

00:01:49.420 Damn.

00:01:49.980 I don't have rules.

00:01:51.180 Okay.

00:01:51.620 I'm just as crazy as you are.

00:01:52.980 Damn.

00:01:53.720 If you ask, be ready for an answer.

00:01:55.940 Ooh.

00:01:57.320 Well.

00:01:58.860 Okay, Chad.

00:01:59.520 God damn, I look good.

00:02:03.220 Fuck.

00:02:04.500 You coming in a little dark, huh?

00:02:06.140 How dark are you?

00:02:07.040 Do y'all do it?

00:02:07.700 Is there like a...

00:02:08.840 I can smoke?

00:02:09.620 Because you put that right there.

00:02:11.120 Yeah.

00:02:11.320 I'm with me.

00:02:14.360 Fuck yeah.

00:02:15.200 I don't think we got to...

00:02:16.340 I mean, will that thing go off, you think?

00:02:17.880 No, it's not enough smoke.

00:02:20.660 Did you do F1 last weekend?

00:02:22.380 Yeah.

00:02:22.680 I had to go shake some hands, smiles, get a few deals done.

00:02:26.380 I'm not much of a F1 guy.

00:02:29.800 NASCAR, now we talking.

00:02:32.180 Yeah.

00:02:32.580 NASCAR is where it's at.

00:02:34.600 Especially for first dates.

00:02:36.600 Go to NASCAR?

00:02:37.340 What?

00:02:38.340 Some of this shit.

00:02:39.020 A woman that's never been to NASCAR and you sit in the stands?

00:02:41.760 Oh, awesome.

00:02:44.020 I got to do something like that.

00:02:45.220 I used to take girls, when I lived in Tucson, I'd take them over to the dog track over there.

00:02:49.700 Greyhounds?

00:02:50.180 Yeah.

00:02:50.420 They had a greyhound track still?

00:02:52.000 They had a greyhound track.

00:02:53.000 This is probably about 16 years ago.

00:02:54.600 We got the greyhound track here too, horse track.

00:02:57.460 I love that, man.

00:02:59.040 You got any nice animals at the house?

00:03:01.200 No.

00:03:01.660 I travel too much for pets.

00:03:03.600 And I can't deal with death.

00:03:05.520 I don't handle death well.

00:03:06.900 Yeah, I wish...

00:03:07.740 Sometimes I love to see animals compete against each other.

00:03:11.320 Yeah.

00:03:12.440 I love that shit, man.

00:03:14.900 They had a baby racing the other day at a college game.

00:03:19.080 Crawling?

00:03:19.740 Yeah.

00:03:20.380 That's funny.

00:03:21.260 I saw some time when they do it at NBA games.

00:03:24.340 Mm-hmm.

00:03:25.040 And the baby's crawling.

00:03:27.140 I bet on them.

00:03:28.880 You ever had that game?

00:03:29.760 Oh, I buff.

00:03:30.280 Dude, I fucking...

00:03:31.360 I put $1,100 on a four-month-old, baby.

00:03:33.760 For real quick?

00:03:34.240 Yeah.

00:03:34.820 A fast little Filipino four-month-old?

00:03:36.760 Look, look, look.

00:03:37.540 This is dope.

00:03:38.700 I put half a rack on that bitch.

00:03:45.140 Oh, that's a...

00:03:46.700 That is funny.

00:03:48.260 Dang.

00:03:48.780 Look at that one baby stalled out.

00:03:50.960 Got dementia.

00:03:51.620 Oh, they cheating there.

00:04:02.140 Stop reaching across the line.

00:04:03.580 That's what I don't like that.

00:04:04.920 That's the rules of Chang.

00:04:06.140 And look at this little one.

00:04:06.920 Maybe right there.

00:04:07.660 Damn, he turning around.

00:04:08.780 Wrong way, wrong way, buddy.

00:04:09.700 He won...

00:04:10.060 Uh-uh.

00:04:10.560 He won a new contract.

00:04:13.160 He just hit the portal.

00:04:14.360 He's heading back to his stepdad.

00:04:15.740 Oh, they're going the wrong way.

00:04:19.600 Damn, now they got...

00:04:20.180 Ooh, that one can't handle it.

00:04:21.640 Yeah, now they got that little Filipino bad boy up top.

00:04:25.980 There it is.

00:04:28.540 That's Puka Nakua right there up top, baby.

00:04:31.080 He about to hit the finish line.

00:04:35.000 That's funny.

00:04:36.160 Do you feel like it was probably...

00:04:37.740 When you look at the players today,

00:04:39.240 do you feel like it was easier for them

00:04:41.460 to be able to pick up stats?

00:04:44.540 I mean, the game has changed.

00:04:45.740 The game has evolved a lot.

00:04:47.380 Obviously, from a receiver standpoint,

00:04:48.760 they throw the ball much more.

00:04:50.320 Much more.

00:04:50.900 The era I played in,

00:04:51.920 it was more about running the ball

00:04:53.520 to open up the pass.

00:04:55.200 So they definitely...

00:04:56.020 I mean, it's different.

00:04:56.800 Obviously, they have an added game, too.

00:04:58.760 So it was much more difficult.

00:05:00.320 And the game is a little bit more lenient

00:05:01.640 in favor of the offensive side

00:05:03.280 because defensive defenders

00:05:04.880 really can't do anything.

00:05:05.740 You can't hit.

00:05:06.700 They throw flags for everything.

00:05:08.240 You get fined for everything.

00:05:09.680 I think my era and the era before me,

00:05:11.860 football in general back then,

00:05:13.560 was the true definition of football.

00:05:16.780 I mean, it's a gladiator sport.

00:05:19.200 Yeah, definitely.

00:05:20.100 Why do you think they softened up

00:05:21.560 the rules like that?

00:05:22.440 Why do you think they made it like that?

00:05:23.740 Honestly, the truth,

00:05:24.720 I forgot what era it was

00:05:26.160 when they sued the NFL

00:05:27.380 for all the injuries,

00:05:29.920 all the trauma that players

00:05:32.600 have suffered in the past.

00:05:33.660 Yeah.

00:05:34.320 And they won the lawsuit.

00:05:35.800 It might have been a billion

00:05:36.680 or something like that.

00:05:37.900 And they had no choice but to...

00:05:40.540 Oh, yeah.

00:05:40.900 The National Football League

00:05:41.540 was sued for failing

00:05:42.200 to protect players from head injuries,

00:05:44.060 which can lead to CTE starting in 2011.

00:05:46.760 In 2012, a class action lawsuit

00:05:48.540 was filed to consolidate

00:05:50.380 number 4,500 former player cases.

00:05:53.820 So they settled that, huh?

00:05:55.120 Yeah, they won.

00:05:56.060 Damn.

00:05:56.460 Those players won.

00:05:57.260 And that's why the rules

00:05:58.180 are what they are today.

00:05:59.180 I know they always preach

00:06:00.220 about player safety,

00:06:01.300 but that's...

00:06:01.800 I mean, player safety is cool.

00:06:03.140 It's understandable.

00:06:04.040 But players have gotten faster,

00:06:05.160 stronger, bigger.

00:06:06.620 The dimensions of the field

00:06:07.560 haven't changed at all.

00:06:09.120 So, therefore,

00:06:09.960 injuries are still going to happen.

00:06:12.100 Concussions are still going to happen.

00:06:13.420 There's no way to prevent that.

00:06:14.820 Yeah.

00:06:15.220 It's impossible.

00:06:16.400 Yeah, because that's part of it.

00:06:17.840 You can't just stop that from happening.

00:06:18.920 It's part of...

00:06:19.300 You know what you signed up for.

00:06:20.400 Yeah.

00:06:20.680 You know what you signed up

00:06:21.420 when you make it, you know,

00:06:23.500 as a 1% in the NFL.

00:06:25.660 It's a gladiator sport.

00:06:26.500 It's barbaric.

00:06:28.020 It kind of is a little bit of a bummer

00:06:29.760 because you don't really get as meant...

00:06:32.880 There's not enough

00:06:34.640 defensive cornerbacks and safeties.

00:06:37.740 They don't really get enough love then

00:06:38.960 because you don't even get to know them as much

00:06:40.500 because they can't play as much defense.

00:06:42.320 Does that make sense?

00:06:43.440 A little bit,

00:06:44.380 but some of them have made a name for themselves

00:06:46.660 that are really good.

00:06:48.340 Really, really good.

00:06:49.100 The Jalen Ramseys and McDuffie and...

00:06:52.440 Let me see.

00:06:52.880 I can think of some of these DBs off.

00:06:55.960 Sauce Gardner.

00:06:57.760 Derek Stingley.

00:06:59.100 You know, some dudes are really good

00:07:00.680 regardless of the game changing the way it has.

00:07:03.500 Pat Sertain.

00:07:05.400 Lazarius Sneed, really good.

00:07:06.660 Jalen Johnson, good.

00:07:07.980 Young dude, Christian Gonzalez with the Patriots.

00:07:10.620 Man.

00:07:11.740 Hey, he's an animal.

00:07:12.760 Wow.

00:07:13.100 He's an animal.

00:07:13.580 And there's another young fella.

00:07:15.260 Latino right there.

00:07:16.520 Yeah, there's another young fella in...

00:07:19.960 Damn it.

00:07:22.460 Horn from the Panthers is really good as well.

00:07:25.640 Joe Horn's son?

00:07:26.660 Yeah, Joe Horn.

00:07:27.400 He is nice.

00:07:29.280 Really?

00:07:29.540 So despite the rules being what they are,

00:07:32.320 they've gotten so good technically,

00:07:34.440 you know, trying to adapt to the rules.

00:07:36.100 Yeah.

00:07:36.400 Some of them stand out.

00:07:37.680 But they're just...

00:07:38.220 It feels like you do...

00:07:39.040 There can't really be that beast out there

00:07:41.080 that's just like clapping dudes down.

00:07:42.820 No, you can't.

00:07:43.320 You can't.

00:07:44.140 You can't.

00:07:44.640 And those...

00:07:45.880 The first thing that comes to mind is

00:07:47.800 the safety or maybe linebacker from the Texans

00:07:51.500 who got suspended.

00:07:52.860 I think he got suspended maybe once or twice

00:07:54.400 because he plays like he's back in the old days.

00:07:56.640 Oh, yeah.

00:07:57.800 Who is it?

00:07:58.780 Al Jazeera, Jazeera, something like that.

00:08:01.440 Al Jazeera?

00:08:02.160 Not him.

00:08:02.720 Who is it?

00:08:03.020 I don't know.

00:08:03.400 I don't know how to say his name the right way.

00:08:05.760 Aziz Al Shayer.

00:08:06.820 Aziz Al Shayer, yeah.

00:08:07.840 Oh, hell yeah.

00:08:08.760 He's an op, bro.

00:08:09.520 He's working for the Middle East over here.

00:08:12.420 He's over here doing some shit.

00:08:14.640 He plays football the way football should be played.

00:08:16.580 Hell yeah.

00:08:18.280 Hell yeah.

00:08:18.800 I got to get his jersey, man.

00:08:20.140 He's good.

00:08:20.560 He's really good.

00:08:21.520 But yeah, you don't hear...

00:08:22.320 There's not like that Ronnie Lott guy,

00:08:23.980 you know what I'm saying?

00:08:24.420 They just don't have those bangers or like...

00:08:26.260 Who was the guy that played for Denver

00:08:27.860 that was just a banger back there?

00:08:29.660 Steve Atwater.

00:08:30.500 Yeah.

00:08:31.200 Yeah.

00:08:31.600 Steve Atwater, Bob Sanders.

00:08:35.780 He's old school.

00:08:36.840 Yeah.

00:08:37.760 He's old school.

00:08:38.440 And obviously, right there,

00:08:39.820 players should have slid early.

00:08:41.420 Slide early.

00:08:42.640 Yeah, what do you think about the slide, man?

00:08:43.800 Because honestly, as a fan,

00:08:45.280 it doesn't even make it fun.

00:08:46.380 If the guy's running,

00:08:47.280 you know he's going to slide.

00:08:48.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:48.840 It just seems...

00:08:50.440 I don't know.

00:08:51.780 You would almost rather

00:08:52.900 don't do this play

00:08:54.720 or somebody get hit.

00:08:55.740 Well, not really.

00:08:57.340 It just slide early.

00:08:58.500 You know the guys are coming.

00:08:59.700 They're much faster than you,

00:09:00.720 especially quarterbacks.

00:09:01.700 They're much faster than you.

00:09:03.000 And Mahomes is one who's really tricky

00:09:04.700 as he'll purposely slide late

00:09:06.240 to get a penalty.

00:09:07.640 He does it all the time.

00:09:08.800 And sometimes,

00:09:09.400 he'll pretend like he's going down

00:09:10.740 or going to step out of bounds

00:09:12.060 and stay in just a little bit,

00:09:13.480 just a tad second longer

00:09:14.660 just to get a flag thrown.

00:09:16.680 God, he's lingering.

00:09:17.820 Offensive players are using the rules

00:09:19.620 to their advantage

00:09:20.520 and it puts the defensive players

00:09:22.880 in a pickle.

00:09:23.320 Yeah, but it builds it up

00:09:25.140 for people want stats.

00:09:26.240 People want to see the scoring.

00:09:27.580 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:28.180 You know, so I guess

00:09:29.120 it's just a sign of the times.

00:09:30.460 Do you think it can ever

00:09:31.180 swing back the other way

00:09:32.200 or do you think that

00:09:32.940 the legal issues and stuff

00:09:34.120 are going to keep it out of that?

00:09:35.200 Absolutely not.

00:09:35.540 It will never swing back

00:09:36.240 the other way.

00:09:36.800 Because the NFL,

00:09:37.540 they have to protect themselves.

00:09:38.700 They got to protect the shield

00:09:39.640 and protect the players,

00:09:41.040 you know, on the back end.

00:09:42.500 Was it tough on your team

00:09:43.520 when you play with the Bengals?

00:09:44.960 Like, I know you play

00:09:45.520 with a couple of different teams,

00:09:46.380 but with any team,

00:09:47.960 is it fun for a receiver

00:09:49.120 if they're running, bro?

00:09:50.220 Is it even fun?

00:09:51.320 Like, you have to pretend

00:09:52.680 that they're going to pass?

00:09:53.920 No, because I like to call myself

00:09:56.140 an all-around player

00:09:57.440 outside of just catching the balls

00:09:58.880 because there were certain things

00:10:00.240 I already knew

00:10:00.780 I would have two people

00:10:01.480 on me every time.

00:10:02.380 So that opened up

00:10:03.140 the running game.

00:10:03.980 So I had no problem.

00:10:04.720 So if you open up

00:10:05.220 the running game

00:10:05.740 and the running game

00:10:06.600 is doing well,

00:10:07.320 then they have to take a safety

00:10:08.900 and get him up off of me

00:10:09.900 and bring him down in the box.

00:10:11.400 Now I get to cook.

00:10:13.440 So I look at it that way.

00:10:15.800 Do you think a lot of players

00:10:16.980 look at it that way?

00:10:18.180 Probably not.

00:10:18.960 I knew I would get mine

00:10:20.260 no matter what

00:10:20.780 because I was the number one receiver.

00:10:22.820 So at some point,

00:10:23.920 the ball was going to get to me.

00:10:24.980 But then you have some games

00:10:25.920 you go into

00:10:26.440 and a team will say,

00:10:28.320 you know what?

00:10:28.960 Today, 85 is not beating us.

00:10:31.440 It's going to have to be somebody else.

00:10:32.820 In those games,

00:10:33.620 you do the best you can

00:10:34.820 to keep your composure.

00:10:36.080 It gets frustrating at times.

00:10:37.380 You're out there

00:10:37.960 just getting cardio in.

00:10:39.460 But you're going to have games like that.

00:10:41.420 So if you know your team is running,

00:10:43.740 but you still have to pretend

00:10:45.080 like they're going to pass, right?

00:10:46.340 Yeah, always, always.

00:10:47.660 And I'm rarely,

00:10:49.680 rarely ever was lackadaisical

00:10:51.840 because I understood

00:10:52.820 what I mean to us offensively,

00:10:54.620 even when I wouldn't get the ball.

00:10:56.100 Right.

00:10:56.220 Like even if you're saying

00:10:56.860 if they think

00:10:57.600 they're going to have to keep an eye

00:10:59.160 and if his eyes over here,

00:11:00.180 it's not over here in the box.

00:11:01.400 Yeah, most definitely.

00:11:02.540 Most definitely.

00:11:03.140 So I run them off.

00:11:05.300 And was that still fun too?

00:11:06.660 Even on those plays?

00:11:07.560 Is it still fun?

00:11:08.260 I made it fun.

00:11:08.860 I had to

00:11:09.240 because I use that time to talk shit.

00:11:11.080 Yeah.

00:11:11.700 Can you curse?

00:11:12.700 Huh?

00:11:13.040 Okay, I'm sorry.

00:11:13.520 I curse a lot.

00:11:14.440 Okay, cool.

00:11:14.760 You can talk shit, dude.

00:11:16.780 Who's the darkest dude

00:11:17.980 you've ever seen in the NFL, man?

00:11:19.680 Like the darkest skin guy.

00:11:21.860 Darkest.

00:11:23.080 Because sometimes you see a guy

00:11:24.380 and like,

00:11:24.880 I've been even with my black friends

00:11:26.700 and we'll see like a dude that is.

00:11:29.400 And they're like,

00:11:29.940 That's a good question.

00:11:31.280 My black friend's like,

00:11:32.480 Damn, you see that black guy?

00:11:33.520 I'm like,

00:11:33.840 Yeah, dude.

00:11:34.500 I saw him.

00:11:35.320 But for you to say that,

00:11:36.560 that's a remarkable.

00:11:38.980 I'm trying to think.

00:11:39.780 I can't think.

00:11:41.640 Yeah, I'm dark my damn self.

00:11:43.220 Well, you come.

00:11:43.940 Yeah, I definitely think you come in a,

00:11:46.180 people would consider you dark.

00:11:47.480 Yeah, very, very.

00:11:48.440 I'm trying to get darker.

00:11:49.760 Are you?

00:11:50.300 I used to tan.

00:11:51.380 Oh, yeah, where?

00:11:52.000 Yeah, I used to go to the tanning bed.

00:11:53.180 Did you?

00:11:53.760 Damn.

00:11:54.080 Yeah, butt naked,

00:11:54.500 just to even everything out.

00:11:56.260 I like it.

00:11:57.160 Because are there parts,

00:11:58.260 say if you're a,

00:11:58.900 and I've never seen a,

00:11:59.980 I've never seen a full,

00:12:02.360 I don't think naked,

00:12:04.400 darker male, right?

00:12:05.540 Right.

00:12:06.000 Is there parts of your body

00:12:07.180 that are not as dark?

00:12:08.700 You know what?

00:12:09.120 Sometimes I would like the chest

00:12:10.580 and the neck area to match.

00:12:12.300 And sometimes it doesn't.

00:12:13.600 I don't like that

00:12:14.140 because it's always covered.

00:12:15.640 I want my legs, chest,

00:12:17.820 and everything,

00:12:18.480 one like chocolate,

00:12:20.220 dark, go diva,

00:12:21.480 Willy Wonka type complexion.

00:12:22.980 Yeah, like them,

00:12:24.980 what's them little things

00:12:26.060 that they give you sometimes

00:12:27.080 at a hotel somewhere nice?

00:12:28.820 The little chocolates?

00:12:29.760 Yeah, the ones that are wrapped,

00:12:30.760 but sometimes they're red,

00:12:31.620 sometimes they're blue,

00:12:32.540 sometimes it's gold.

00:12:33.620 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:33.760 The little mint.

00:12:34.360 I know what you're talking about.

00:12:34.940 What are they called?

00:12:36.720 Lador.

00:12:37.840 Oh, no.

00:12:38.320 Oh, them, yeah,

00:12:40.640 them Lindor truffles, baby, damn.

00:12:42.580 I like those.

00:12:44.160 Yeah, buh.

00:12:45.200 That's what I'm saying, dude.

00:12:46.260 If you had your,

00:12:47.620 bro, if they had

00:12:48.400 Chad Johnson Lindor truffle.

00:12:50.620 That's a good one.

00:12:51.920 Bro, that's an elite candy.

00:12:53.080 Look at them bitches.

00:12:53.680 They wrapped up real nice.

00:12:55.200 Mm-hmm.

00:12:55.740 God, they wearing a damn,

00:12:57.040 just a beautiful panty

00:12:58.220 they got them wrapped in.

00:12:59.280 $70.

00:13:00.960 God, that's expensive.

00:13:02.560 Look at that.

00:13:03.400 Them Lindor changemakers,

00:13:04.620 $320, man.

00:13:06.220 For one or the package?

00:13:08.740 Bro, that's all I'm saying.

00:13:10.140 Bro, if they had

00:13:10.900 Chad Johnson chocolates.

00:13:13.200 God.

00:13:13.720 That'd be dope.

00:13:15.080 It's a good idea.

00:13:15.780 I got to look into that.

00:13:16.740 Have you done some business ventures?

00:13:18.100 Like, what's something you ever got in?

00:13:19.260 Because people get into something wild,

00:13:20.780 you know,

00:13:20.900 and different people get into different stuff.

00:13:22.320 Joe Horn had a hot sauce

00:13:23.940 or a barbecue sauce.

00:13:25.540 Remember, he went big on barbecue.

00:13:27.300 Yeah.

00:13:27.680 I'm trying to think of guys from your time

00:13:29.920 that had something wild.

00:13:32.420 I mean, I was a New Orleans guy,

00:13:33.880 so I know Deuce McAllister

00:13:35.180 had, like, a car dealership.

00:13:37.060 Well, for me, it would be cigars.

00:13:39.060 Oh, really?

00:13:39.680 85 cigars.

00:13:40.780 Yeah.

00:13:41.420 Do you have a brand of them?

00:13:42.840 Yeah.

00:13:43.280 Oh, bet I didn't even know, man.

00:13:44.500 I'm a year of six.

00:13:44.860 80, 85, a number five,

00:13:46.580 and boom, there they go.

00:13:47.840 Yeah.

00:13:48.300 Boy, them bitches will give you a long CTE, huh?

00:13:51.060 Listen, that's all I do.

00:13:52.600 I've never had alcohol.

00:13:54.680 Really?

00:13:55.180 Never.

00:13:55.540 So anytime I have a cigar,

00:13:56.980 I always pair it with my coffee.

00:13:58.920 I've just finished my coffee, yeah.

00:14:00.480 I never had alcohol.

00:14:01.720 No drugs, never done anything,

00:14:03.260 but cigars?

00:14:04.580 I've been smoking since 1991.

00:14:06.440 Wow.

00:14:07.040 Since 91.

00:14:07.880 I smoked two or three a day,

00:14:09.320 and this is actually even when I was playing.

00:14:11.060 When I was playing,

00:14:12.380 I would smoke.

00:14:13.620 Whether we lost, whether we won.

00:14:15.180 Because what is it?

00:14:16.200 What is it?

00:14:16.580 Just like, yeah, what is it?

00:14:18.100 Because that's a pretty,

00:14:19.500 kind of a,

00:14:20.140 that's a real relationship with something.

00:14:22.060 Yeah, most definitely.

00:14:22.800 It's all about the taste.

00:14:24.080 It's all about the taste.

00:14:24.820 And I'm a fan of really all cigars,

00:14:27.500 whether they're mild, strong, peppery, smooth.

00:14:32.200 It doesn't matter.

00:14:33.360 I'm a cigar enthusiast.

00:14:35.100 Oh, yeah.

00:14:36.340 God, I tried to,

00:14:37.240 I remember I used to work for this rich guy,

00:14:40.060 and I would,

00:14:41.140 and sometimes he would call me in there.

00:14:43.920 He would be drunk,

00:14:44.780 and he,

00:14:45.380 the other ladies that worked there,

00:14:46.540 I was at an insurance company.

00:14:47.560 They had gone home,

00:14:48.360 and I was just the guy

00:14:49.200 who was doing the filings and stuff

00:14:51.860 and mailing things,

00:14:53.360 and he'd be drunk,

00:14:54.240 and he'd call me to listen to him

00:14:55.500 because he just wanted to just,

00:14:56.440 just be rich

00:14:57.940 and have somebody here and be rich.

00:14:59.660 Right.

00:15:00.060 So he was sitting there with a big cigar,

00:15:02.100 and he tried to get me

00:15:02.940 to hit them bitches a couple times, man.

00:15:04.900 God.

00:15:06.540 I couldn't,

00:15:07.320 I just couldn't handle some of it.

00:15:09.580 I mean,

00:15:09.760 my hands swell up.

00:15:10.700 One of them made my hands real straight.

00:15:12.460 I think he was smoking some shit

00:15:13.960 that they had,

00:15:15.500 you know,

00:15:15.780 they'd put some other shit in it

00:15:16.960 at the house or whatever.

00:15:18.440 Because I couldn't even bend my hands

00:15:19.520 for almost 40 minutes

00:15:20.340 after smoking them bitches.

00:15:21.580 Did you inhale?

00:15:22.340 Huh?

00:15:22.980 Did you inhale?

00:15:23.680 Yeah, I tried my best, man.

00:15:24.980 No, you're not supposed to inhale.

00:15:26.000 You're supposed to taste it.

00:15:27.060 Oh, I like to hit that bitch.

00:15:28.100 Cigars, it's an acquired taste.

00:15:29.880 Yeah.

00:15:30.420 And he didn't teach me like that.

00:15:31.700 He just like,

00:15:32.320 he gave it to you?

00:15:33.320 Oh, yeah.

00:15:33.720 He was complaining,

00:15:34.640 you know,

00:15:35.840 the oil or whatever.

00:15:37.820 And I was,

00:15:38.280 and I did,

00:15:38.640 I had to finish filing that afternoon,

00:15:40.780 probably.

00:15:41.140 Like this.

00:15:41.960 Yeah, that's funny.

00:15:43.000 Like a platypus in there

00:15:44.300 trying to fucking figure shit out, man.

00:15:46.660 But yeah,

00:15:47.180 I didn't know that.

00:15:48.060 So you never had alcohol, huh?

00:15:49.440 No, I never will, man.

00:15:51.080 But did something turn you off to it

00:15:52.420 when you were young?

00:15:52.840 I think it might have been my mom.

00:15:54.200 She drank?

00:15:54.760 Yeah, she,

00:15:55.340 oh, did she?

00:15:56.440 Really?

00:15:56.780 Oh, man,

00:15:56.900 she drank like a fish,

00:15:57.800 you know,

00:15:58.040 morning,

00:15:58.500 morning,

00:15:59.120 noon,

00:15:59.320 night,

00:15:59.700 you know,

00:15:59.980 and seeing her become somebody

00:16:01.500 I didn't even recognize.

00:16:03.020 I think that's why I steered away from it

00:16:04.300 because it always starts young.

00:16:05.180 Anytime you have a habit

00:16:06.700 that you stay away from,

00:16:08.000 you have the discipline to do it.

00:16:09.040 Most people say,

00:16:09.480 oh, you're so disciplined.

00:16:10.320 No, say no, I'm not.

00:16:11.400 I saw something in my mom

00:16:12.920 when I was younger

00:16:13.520 that let me know,

00:16:14.660 you know what,

00:16:14.960 I'm not going down that path.

00:16:16.240 I just never did it.

00:16:18.300 And did she,

00:16:18.940 is she still alive?

00:16:19.960 No, she passed away

00:16:20.740 from alcohol poisoning.

00:16:22.440 From cirrhosis of the liver?

00:16:23.420 Yep,

00:16:23.800 2021.

00:16:24.720 I never forget.

00:16:26.260 And I knew that,

00:16:26.900 I got that phone call.

00:16:29.020 I got that phone call

00:16:30.020 and I knew something was wrong

00:16:30.900 because it was family members calling.

00:16:33.480 That's scary, huh?

00:16:34.360 Never call,

00:16:35.460 especially like that,

00:16:36.600 back to back

00:16:37.120 from different family members.

00:16:38.540 And I kind of already knew what it was

00:16:40.340 because my brother had already called

00:16:42.060 so I already know

00:16:42.600 nothing's wrong with him.

00:16:43.460 Right.

00:16:44.140 And I had a feeling what it was

00:16:46.220 and say,

00:16:47.780 come down to the house.

00:16:49.240 Oh.

00:16:49.680 Your mom is,

00:16:50.960 she's passed out.

00:16:52.140 They couldn't even open the door.

00:16:53.980 She was right there,

00:16:54.640 right there by the door

00:16:55.460 and obviously the autopsy came back

00:16:57.040 and she passed away.

00:17:00.520 Drank herself to death.

00:17:01.900 That's my baby though.

00:17:02.660 Thanks for sharing that.

00:17:04.960 Yeah, man,

00:17:05.740 I've been in recovery

00:17:07.640 and struggling over the years

00:17:09.000 from drinking

00:17:09.500 and a lot of my friends,

00:17:10.880 you know,

00:17:11.120 it's part of a lot of people's universe

00:17:13.320 these days.

00:17:14.020 Yes, sir.

00:17:15.120 And how do you try,

00:17:16.300 and I even have a family member

00:17:17.320 we try,

00:17:17.800 have done intervention and stuff.

00:17:19.320 Did you guys ever try to do something like that?

00:17:20.760 Is that hard as a son?

00:17:22.420 Because I bet it's kind of tough

00:17:23.600 with a parent

00:17:24.100 because they're kind of,

00:17:25.560 you still have to look up to them.

00:17:27.360 It was very difficult

00:17:28.520 and it was so difficult

00:17:30.200 that I couldn't do it

00:17:31.600 and she wouldn't listen to me.

00:17:33.520 You know,

00:17:33.680 you can lead a horse,

00:17:34.420 you can lead a horse to water,

00:17:35.360 but you can't make them drink.

00:17:36.380 So she has to want to get the help herself.

00:17:37.840 And they can't drink alcohol.

00:17:38.940 Yep.

00:17:39.400 Hey, listen.

00:17:40.480 And so I even went

00:17:41.500 as far as we were on marriage bootcamp,

00:17:44.160 but it was family edition.

00:17:45.460 I think at WeTV,

00:17:46.620 I forgot what it was.

00:17:47.380 It was a show that you did?

00:17:48.300 Yeah.

00:17:48.640 So her and I,

00:17:49.340 it's all about a mother and son

00:17:52.520 or a mother and whatever family member it was.

00:17:55.020 You're trying to mend a relationship

00:17:56.720 and whatever issues you have.

00:17:58.040 So I took her on there

00:17:59.720 and more,

00:18:00.640 she cut a fool.

00:18:02.160 She cut a fool.

00:18:03.060 Oh,

00:18:03.280 she didn't want to be.

00:18:03.920 She cut a fool.

00:18:05.480 Obviously had alcohol out.

00:18:06.960 They had all this stuff

00:18:07.840 and it was her and I,

00:18:08.860 you know,

00:18:09.100 two weeks,

00:18:09.540 two weeks straight.

00:18:10.480 We went through different activities.

00:18:11.640 They had two therapists,

00:18:12.560 two doctors there

00:18:13.360 and there,

00:18:14.240 there it is right there.

00:18:15.380 And man.

00:18:16.320 Oh,

00:18:16.380 she's beautiful.

00:18:16.920 What's her name?

00:18:17.660 Paula,

00:18:18.000 Paula Johnson.

00:18:18.640 We call her Hurricane Paula.

00:18:20.000 Woo.

00:18:20.860 Category.

00:18:22.100 Category 85,

00:18:23.320 huh?

00:18:23.460 When she gets,

00:18:23.880 when she gets upset,

00:18:25.680 it's a hurricane.

00:18:27.040 It's a hurricane.

00:18:28.320 And listen,

00:18:29.020 she showed out in that show,

00:18:30.180 man.

00:18:30.300 That's my baby.

00:18:30.900 She showed out,

00:18:31.700 but she just wouldn't.

00:18:32.880 She left the show early.

00:18:33.820 She didn't even finish the show.

00:18:35.140 She left early.

00:18:35.940 Cussed the producers out,

00:18:37.120 cussed the rest of the castmates out.

00:18:38.840 She didn't want it.

00:18:39.500 Nah,

00:18:39.980 she didn't want to get the help

00:18:41.440 I wanted,

00:18:41.900 man,

00:18:42.120 but that's my baby.

00:18:43.780 There was a funeral scene we did.

00:18:45.240 There was a funeral scene we did

00:18:46.360 where she was like,

00:18:48.540 close the casket.

00:18:49.540 So it was me in a casket

00:18:50.880 and how would she feel

00:18:51.880 if I was to pass away?

00:18:53.440 Oh,

00:18:53.580 oh man,

00:18:54.120 she showed out.

00:18:55.240 Oh,

00:18:55.460 she showed out.

00:18:56.300 Close the casket.

00:18:57.340 Let his baby mamas roll him in.

00:18:58.980 Oh,

00:18:59.140 it was hilarious.

00:19:00.080 Oh,

00:19:00.220 she made it funny?

00:19:00.780 Oh man,

00:19:01.400 it was,

00:19:01.640 no,

00:19:01.980 she was dead serious though.

00:19:03.180 Oh,

00:19:03.780 she was pissed.

00:19:05.100 She was pissed.

00:19:05.920 So that,

00:19:06.220 that,

00:19:06.520 that was the introduction.

00:19:08.800 Yeah,

00:19:09.240 let him roll that.

00:19:10.300 Close that bitch

00:19:10.860 and let his baby mamas

00:19:11.640 roll his ass up out of here.

00:19:13.200 Yeah,

00:19:13.820 yeah.

00:19:14.140 And so people were,

00:19:15.380 that,

00:19:15.600 the world,

00:19:16.240 the world was introduced

00:19:18.340 to Hurricane Paul.

00:19:20.020 Everything we do

00:19:20.620 is designed to provoke

00:19:23.000 an emotional response.

00:19:24.680 Do you want us to talk at you?

00:19:25.180 That,

00:19:25.440 that look alone,

00:19:26.760 she didn't take any bullshit,

00:19:28.080 huh?

00:19:28.300 No,

00:19:28.480 she didn't play.

00:19:28.940 Doesn't work.

00:19:29.480 But did you get,

00:19:30.380 I meant that.

00:19:30.920 But I said,

00:19:31.280 listen,

00:19:31.500 I haven't been a part

00:19:32.260 of his life

00:19:32.760 and he hasn't been

00:19:33.260 a part of mine.

00:19:35.380 He got his kids

00:19:36.340 and baby mamas.

00:19:37.720 Line them up.

00:19:38.760 Let them roll his ass out.

00:19:40.920 You said he wanted

00:19:41.740 to close the casket earlier.

00:19:43.400 No,

00:19:43.820 you close it.

00:19:44.440 I done work

00:19:44.800 for the funeral home.

00:19:45.820 Let one of the baby mamas,

00:19:47.340 let one of the children

00:19:48.140 come close.

00:19:48.680 Sit down,

00:19:49.180 Paula.

00:19:49.820 Sit down,

00:19:50.700 Paula.

00:19:51.540 Never.

00:19:52.500 You could never tell Paula

00:19:53.860 to sit down.

00:19:54.200 She's a legend.

00:19:54.940 Oh.

00:19:55.480 She's a legend,

00:19:56.140 especially in our area.

00:19:56.960 We have a thing.

00:19:58.200 You're not really

00:19:58.880 a friend of mine

00:19:59.600 if you haven't been

00:20:00.540 cursed out by my mom.

00:20:01.720 That means you ain't

00:20:02.360 been around long enough

00:20:03.240 and that's how she was

00:20:04.560 and we loved her

00:20:05.440 just like that

00:20:06.120 and I never got a chance

00:20:07.800 to say goodbye.

00:20:08.460 Oh.

00:20:09.060 I never got a chance

00:20:09.660 to say I love you

00:20:10.340 but I had the messages

00:20:11.900 saved before she passed away

00:20:14.680 and it's her cursing me out.

00:20:15.920 Yeah.

00:20:16.560 I mean,

00:20:16.960 let me have it.

00:20:17.840 Letting it rip.

00:20:18.660 Like,

00:20:19.380 paragraph,

00:20:19.960 paragraph,

00:20:20.500 fuck you

00:20:21.100 and I wouldn't want

00:20:23.120 it any other way.

00:20:24.000 Yeah.

00:20:24.440 I wouldn't want

00:20:24.860 it any other way.

00:20:25.500 Because that's who she was.

00:20:26.340 That's who she was.

00:20:27.120 That's fair.

00:20:27.780 Yeah,

00:20:27.940 I have a family member

00:20:28.480 that'll send me

00:20:29.000 like some of the texts

00:20:30.380 they send.

00:20:30.840 and shitting caps,

00:20:32.160 emojis.

00:20:32.540 Right, right, right.

00:20:32.840 Things don't even make any sense.

00:20:33.820 They'll be the,

00:20:34.220 I can't even read it.

00:20:35.280 Yeah.

00:20:35.480 I already know what it is,

00:20:36.640 right?

00:20:37.500 But at the same time,

00:20:38.400 that's who they are,

00:20:39.360 you know?

00:20:39.720 Yeah.

00:20:40.040 You have to love people

00:20:40.760 where they're at.

00:20:41.400 Mm-hmm.

00:20:41.740 It's tough though.

00:20:42.600 That's a tough time.

00:20:43.440 I think so many people

00:20:44.320 deal with that.

00:20:44.880 How do I love a family member

00:20:45.960 that's struggling?

00:20:47.200 You know?

00:20:47.540 Because you can even

00:20:48.180 give them things.

00:20:48.760 I mean,

00:20:48.900 even if you're able

00:20:49.680 to provide then.

00:20:50.620 Yeah,

00:20:50.820 and the funny thing

00:20:51.740 about it is

00:20:52.320 I had to stop

00:20:53.320 the bleeding as well

00:20:54.180 because an individual

00:20:55.700 like that,

00:20:56.280 they will use,

00:20:57.020 oh,

00:20:57.160 I'm your mama

00:20:57.720 as a reason

00:20:58.660 for you to keep

00:20:59.320 giving,

00:20:59.680 giving,

00:20:59.920 giving,

00:21:00.140 giving.

00:21:00.640 And a taker

00:21:01.340 doesn't know

00:21:01.760 when to stop.

00:21:03.060 It doesn't know

00:21:03.400 when to stop.

00:21:04.120 And there was

00:21:04.820 no appreciation

00:21:05.600 behind it

00:21:06.220 because no matter

00:21:06.860 how much I did,

00:21:07.740 it was always an issue.

00:21:09.340 So even at that point

00:21:10.460 with mom,

00:21:10.960 I even had to deal

00:21:11.640 with her from,

00:21:12.160 from arm's length

00:21:13.020 at a distance,

00:21:13.980 you know?

00:21:14.880 And it was cool.

00:21:16.840 We,

00:21:17.340 my grandma raised me

00:21:18.180 so her and I

00:21:18.820 weren't really

00:21:19.540 eye to eye

00:21:20.820 most of the time.

00:21:22.060 But man,

00:21:22.960 when the times were good,

00:21:24.440 oh man,

00:21:25.500 they were good.

00:21:26.620 But when it was bad,

00:21:27.960 I know.

00:21:29.220 Oh,

00:21:29.640 we talk about entertainment.

00:21:31.460 Like her,

00:21:32.000 her being on that show

00:21:33.280 was able to introduce

00:21:34.860 the world

00:21:35.320 to who Hurricane Paula was

00:21:36.600 and she was TV gold.

00:21:38.520 She was TV gold.

00:21:39.720 Oh,

00:21:40.140 dude,

00:21:40.520 that little bit right there.

00:21:41.920 It almost reminds me

00:21:43.040 of that woman,

00:21:45.540 New York,

00:21:45.960 when she was at her best.

00:21:46.860 Remember?

00:21:47.240 Yes.

00:21:47.680 When she was at her best though.

00:21:49.000 Yes, yes.

00:21:49.280 Like her best moments

00:21:50.280 remind me of something

00:21:51.000 just like that.

00:21:52.260 Oh,

00:21:52.500 that's interesting.

00:21:53.080 And at least you have that,

00:21:53.920 at least you have that also,

00:21:55.100 a moment of you guys' time together,

00:21:56.580 you know,

00:21:57.160 to look at.

00:21:57.960 I bet she was super proud of you though.

00:21:59.380 Was she able to express that to you?

00:22:00.720 Yeah,

00:22:01.020 absolutely.

00:22:01.600 She was proud of all the things

00:22:02.620 I was able to accomplish,

00:22:03.580 you know,

00:22:04.020 obviously during my days

00:22:05.400 and NFL,

00:22:07.040 all the stuff I did off the field,

00:22:08.580 but she was so unpredictable.

00:22:10.980 I couldn't take her to important stuff.

00:22:12.780 Oh,

00:22:13.100 yeah.

00:22:13.560 Because,

00:22:13.860 you know,

00:22:14.140 red carpet,

00:22:14.900 stuff like that.

00:22:15.660 I couldn't have her in those rooms

00:22:16.940 because I don't know

00:22:17.680 what Paula was going to show up.

00:22:19.300 I didn't know which mom

00:22:20.040 was going to show up

00:22:20.720 and I didn't want her to,

00:22:22.060 to embarrass me

00:22:22.900 in those moments,

00:22:24.220 moments that would be,

00:22:26.280 we're supposed to be celebrating.

00:22:27.840 Right.

00:22:27.960 Whatever achieving it may be.

00:22:29.340 But listen,

00:22:29.840 if the wrong person is there

00:22:30.780 and she sees,

00:22:31.600 she might snap.

00:22:32.440 Yeah.

00:22:32.820 It doesn't care about the surroundings

00:22:34.160 or the environment.

00:22:35.040 Mm-mm.

00:22:35.720 So I had to be cautious.

00:22:37.360 She'll get a pass,

00:22:38.160 she'll get a defensive pass,

00:22:39.380 interference call.

00:22:40.060 Man,

00:22:40.080 quick,

00:22:40.460 and don't care.

00:22:42.020 And don't care.

00:22:43.940 Yeah.

00:22:44.940 Wow,

00:22:45.380 dude,

00:22:45.540 that's so interesting

00:22:46.060 because that's also,

00:22:46.760 it has to be wild

00:22:47.320 because that's where you obviously

00:22:48.240 got a lot of your banter

00:22:50.940 and ability to accept things

00:22:52.460 even if they're in a dangerous space.

00:22:54.020 Yeah,

00:22:54.360 most definitely.

00:22:54.660 To keep,

00:22:55.380 because one thing that's interesting

00:22:56.120 I think about you, Chad,

00:22:57.000 and this is kind of,

00:22:57.800 it may be judgment,

00:22:58.640 but it's just me kind of

00:22:59.380 from an outside perspective is

00:23:00.520 even if things are chaotic

00:23:02.080 and crazy for other people,

00:23:03.040 you're still able to

00:23:03.960 have this sense of humor

00:23:05.420 that things aren't even,

00:23:07.360 not that it doesn't matter.

00:23:08.300 Yeah.

00:23:08.600 But that it's not affecting you.

00:23:10.000 Yeah.

00:23:10.400 I think because of my upbringing

00:23:12.940 and me being able to operate well

00:23:16.180 in a chaotic environment

00:23:17.780 and I'm very comfortable

00:23:19.460 being uncomfortable.

00:23:20.880 Very.

00:23:21.480 It doesn't matter what's going on.

00:23:24.040 I love chaos

00:23:25.260 and I operate well in chaos.

00:23:28.280 Very well.

00:23:28.940 It doesn't matter what it is.

00:23:29.820 Now,

00:23:30.200 will you also create the chaos

00:23:31.960 just to then slide in

00:23:33.080 and operate in it?

00:23:33.940 Yes.

00:23:34.300 Yes.

00:23:34.580 Think about during my time playing.

00:23:36.380 Yeah.

00:23:36.800 I was very chaotic.

00:23:38.060 I purposely tried to piss the NFL off.

00:23:40.600 Purposely.

00:23:41.220 Because I understood the game

00:23:42.780 is an entertainment sport.

00:23:44.680 So therefore,

00:23:45.340 I'm going to bring just that,

00:23:47.240 the entertainment value part to it.

00:23:48.920 They didn't see it that way

00:23:49.900 but all of a sudden,

00:23:50.740 everything I was vilified for

00:23:51.920 now is a green light.

00:23:53.440 Right.

00:23:53.820 Everybody's celebrating.

00:23:54.700 Everybody's having fun.

00:23:55.880 Good point.

00:23:56.340 And I understood what I was doing.

00:23:57.720 And look where you're at now.

00:23:58.800 You're in a space

00:23:59.320 where you're still entertaining, right?

00:24:00.460 Still going.

00:24:01.420 Still going.

00:24:01.900 In a little bit of a way,

00:24:02.640 you're kind of before your time with that.

00:24:04.820 Yeah.

00:24:05.080 And it takes other,

00:24:07.220 it's even like with podcasting.

00:24:08.560 At first,

00:24:08.900 they thought podcasting was crazy.

00:24:10.580 These people aren't doing shit.

00:24:11.660 They're out here doing,

00:24:13.080 we got networks,

00:24:14.280 we got all of this.

00:24:15.400 And then you know as well as anybody.

00:24:17.120 I mean,

00:24:17.620 half your times

00:24:18.540 when you're doing shows with Shannon,

00:24:19.760 you're just sitting there

00:24:20.480 on your phone and computer.

00:24:21.320 He's in a studio sometimes,

00:24:22.520 but sometimes you're showing up

00:24:23.640 from wherever.

00:24:24.260 Yeah.

00:24:24.600 From your home,

00:24:25.220 you just tapped in off a laptop.

00:24:27.120 And that's,

00:24:27.600 you know.

00:24:28.180 I started the podcasting early too,

00:24:30.020 I think in 2010.

00:24:31.140 Let's go.

00:24:32.060 Tara Lowens and I had a show

00:24:33.180 called The Teocho Show.

00:24:34.760 Oh yeah.

00:24:35.140 And that was the first form

00:24:36.380 of podcasting in a sense,

00:24:38.060 I think,

00:24:38.600 that there ever was.

00:24:40.100 Dude,

00:24:40.340 I remember,

00:24:41.000 so I lived in LA

00:24:41.820 for maybe 11 years.

00:24:43.080 I remember I went one time,

00:24:45.120 I was meeting some girl,

00:24:46.400 I think I met her

00:24:46.980 off the internet or something,

00:24:47.920 but I was going to take her,

00:24:50.780 she's like,

00:24:51.220 will you take me shopping?

00:24:52.060 And I was like,

00:24:52.520 fuck.

00:24:53.060 Shopping?

00:24:53.460 I know.

00:24:54.000 And I was like,

00:24:54.740 yeah.

00:24:54.880 Is this before or after sex?

00:24:56.360 This was before sexes,

00:24:57.920 before a handshake.

00:25:00.020 And so,

00:25:00.700 but I knew I wasn't going

00:25:01.540 to take her anywhere nice,

00:25:02.620 you know,

00:25:02.880 I was,

00:25:03.200 but I still wanted to,

00:25:04.340 I think I was just susceptible.

00:25:06.300 Right.

00:25:06.880 So I'm like,

00:25:07.820 where can I take this girl

00:25:09.100 that's not expensive,

00:25:11.540 but.

00:25:11.920 American Apparel.

00:25:12.800 That has something.

00:25:13.340 H&M.

00:25:13.980 Right,

00:25:14.440 right.

00:25:15.140 So that's kind of the district

00:25:17.000 I took her in,

00:25:17.900 right?

00:25:19.100 Anyway,

00:25:19.500 she's looking at shit

00:25:20.560 and everything.

00:25:21.440 And I saw Tara Lowens

00:25:23.160 and Macaulay Culkin

00:25:24.200 having lunch together.

00:25:25.220 That's dope.

00:25:26.020 God.

00:25:27.020 And it was beautiful.

00:25:27.780 It was almost like seeing

00:25:28.620 a Loch Ness Monster

00:25:30.980 or a Sasquatch.

00:25:32.380 You know what I'm saying?

00:25:32.840 Yeah.

00:25:33.060 You would ever see that.

00:25:34.040 Mm-hmm.

00:25:34.700 You know,

00:25:35.100 it's just something like,

00:25:35.880 just sometimes you see

00:25:36.680 certain groups of people

00:25:37.560 in the wild.

00:25:38.200 It's just beautiful.

00:25:39.060 But what made T,

00:25:40.880 was it,

00:25:41.480 was T,

00:25:42.080 because you guys

00:25:42.420 were also teammates.

00:25:43.400 Yeah.

00:25:43.700 Yeah.

00:25:43.860 He was in Cincinnati.

00:25:45.020 Was he as entertaining?

00:25:46.160 What was it?

00:25:46.720 Absolutely.

00:25:47.940 And I got to think,

00:25:48.500 we were friends before that.

00:25:49.660 I remember I stood

00:25:50.760 on the table for T

00:25:51.760 and I knew we had

00:25:53.420 the opportunity to get him.

00:25:54.780 So I talked to Marvin Lewis.

00:25:55.800 I talked to Mike Brown.

00:25:56.840 I said,

00:25:57.320 we got to get T in here.

00:25:58.500 We got to get T in here

00:25:59.380 as much as I've accomplished

00:26:00.700 here as a Cincinnati Bengal.

00:26:02.400 Can we please get

00:26:03.140 one of the greatest players

00:26:04.100 to ever play?

00:26:05.000 Mm.

00:26:05.700 Top three.

00:26:06.400 All time.

00:26:07.600 No matter what.

00:26:08.580 I have no problem

00:26:09.800 taking a backseat

00:26:10.520 and being his Robin.

00:26:11.680 Really?

00:26:12.200 Oh, absolutely.

00:26:14.000 With nothing but respect.

00:26:15.260 So I couldn't wait.

00:26:16.700 And T and having T

00:26:18.260 in that locker room

00:26:18.960 and watching him practice

00:26:19.880 and having a great understanding

00:26:21.420 on his approach

00:26:22.420 to the game of football,

00:26:23.720 man, that was a treat.

00:26:25.180 And I think it's a treat.

00:26:25.960 I've never had a chance

00:26:27.180 to actually sit there

00:26:27.920 and tell him

00:26:28.620 how much I admired him

00:26:30.420 in general

00:26:31.060 as not only a player

00:26:32.200 but his approach

00:26:32.820 to the game of football.

00:26:33.860 And I got a better understanding

00:26:35.160 on why he's one of the greatest.

00:26:37.300 Really?

00:26:37.620 Of all time.

00:26:37.920 Yeah, man.

00:26:38.480 It was a joy.

00:26:39.460 Was his approach,

00:26:40.100 like what made it so special,

00:26:41.220 his approach?

00:26:41.780 I know.

00:26:42.040 I mean,

00:26:42.160 there's rumors that he sleeps

00:26:43.060 in like a barbaric chamber

00:26:44.300 or something.

00:26:44.840 Yeah, yeah, he does.

00:26:45.340 All of that shit.

00:26:45.940 He's sleeping in like

00:26:46.700 a hollowed out mist

00:26:47.940 or whatever.

00:26:48.620 I'm the complete opposite.

00:26:50.100 You know,

00:26:50.420 T.O. was very massages,

00:26:52.740 hyperbaric chamber,

00:26:53.980 ice tub, cold tub,

00:26:55.380 he eat right,

00:26:56.560 salad,

00:26:57.360 all this stuff I didn't do.

00:26:58.400 And I'm McDonald's,

00:26:59.960 cigars,

00:27:00.900 complete opposite.

00:27:02.060 Totally different sides

00:27:03.080 of the spectrum.

00:27:04.280 So it's just being around him,

00:27:06.880 man,

00:27:07.060 it was such a joy

00:27:08.220 and I was a sponge.

00:27:09.940 And he doesn't even know it.

00:27:11.340 I took as much as I could

00:27:12.400 from him

00:27:12.800 in that moment.

00:27:13.940 You know,

00:27:14.320 in that year I had with him

00:27:15.660 and still to this day,

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00:27:18.620 man.

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00:31:32.400 I went to

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00:31:33.180 You did?

00:31:33.600 Yeah.

00:31:33.920 Yeah,

00:31:34.160 I was at

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00:31:35.260 I went to SMC,

00:31:35.600 man.

00:31:36.300 The SMC was

00:31:37.240 wild,

00:31:37.980 bro.

00:31:38.380 Yeah.

00:31:38.760 Because there

00:31:39.220 was nowhere

00:31:39.520 to fucking

00:31:39.940 park.

00:31:41.120 So,

00:31:41.600 dude,

00:31:41.860 it was like,

00:31:42.560 I would drive

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00:31:43.860 didn't park,

00:31:44.380 I wasn't

00:31:44.720 learning.

00:31:45.220 That was it.

00:31:45.560 I took the

00:31:45.880 bus.

00:31:52.920 the jungles

00:31:53.900 across from

00:31:54.400 Dorsey High

00:31:54.900 School,

00:31:55.320 right off

00:31:55.640 Coliseum in

00:31:56.180 the third

00:31:56.460 building.

00:31:56.940 I'll never

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00:31:58.660 bus.

00:31:59.040 I would

00:31:59.300 take the

00:31:59.560 bus to

00:31:59.900 the school.

00:32:01.460 What was

00:32:01.700 it like

00:32:01.880 playing?

00:32:02.080 Because that

00:32:02.240 was a

00:32:02.440 community

00:32:02.800 college,

00:32:03.260 but it

00:32:03.400 was probably

00:32:03.700 a really

00:32:03.960 good program

00:32:04.500 they had.

00:32:04.880 It was the

00:32:05.100 best that they

00:32:05.420 could have.

00:32:05.880 It was good,

00:32:06.320 especially back

00:32:07.080 then.

00:32:07.380 Obviously,

00:32:07.700 Steve Smith

00:32:08.080 Sr.

00:32:08.560 He was on

00:32:09.000 the team

00:32:09.260 with me.

00:32:10.060 And I needed

00:32:10.720 that.

00:32:11.060 I needed to

00:32:11.360 get out of

00:32:11.640 the environment

00:32:12.080 out here in

00:32:12.600 Miami.

00:32:13.800 Because this

00:32:14.260 is where

00:32:14.440 you started

00:32:22.920 Yeah,

00:32:23.240 I've been

00:32:23.660 watching AB

00:32:24.080 for years.

00:32:25.020 And his

00:32:25.300 dad was also

00:32:25.920 from Miami?

00:32:26.700 Troy Brown.

00:32:27.440 I'm not sure.

00:32:28.480 Was it Troy?

00:32:29.000 I'm not sure.

00:32:29.700 Holly,

00:32:30.180 touchdown Brown.

00:32:32.520 Who was that

00:32:33.160 right there?

00:32:33.500 That's Eddie

00:32:33.840 Brown.

00:32:34.160 Touchdown

00:32:34.600 Eddie Brown.

00:32:35.340 That's AB's

00:32:35.880 daddy.

00:32:36.380 His father.

00:32:38.460 That's AB's

00:32:39.180 dad?

00:32:39.540 That's his dad.

00:32:40.480 Serious?

00:32:41.040 Yeah.

00:32:41.520 His father had

00:32:42.100 the most touchdowns.

00:32:43.080 He still holds

00:32:43.700 a record,

00:32:44.160 I think.

00:32:46.880 Most touchdowns

00:32:47.740 in arena football.

00:32:48.520 Wait,

00:32:49.240 that's his dad

00:32:49.820 for real?

00:32:50.900 I didn't know that.

00:32:51.920 Touchdown Eddie Brown.

00:32:53.760 Oh,

00:32:54.140 that's dope.

00:32:55.040 But I don't know

00:32:55.460 how many siblings

00:32:56.080 and stuff he has.

00:32:57.860 He gets put on

00:32:59.020 the CTE bus a lot.

00:33:00.380 You know,

00:33:00.520 he gets put on

00:33:01.060 that baby bus.

00:33:01.980 Do you think

00:33:03.420 that's true

00:33:03.860 or do you think

00:33:04.360 it's...

00:33:04.560 Nah,

00:33:04.860 I think he knows

00:33:05.900 what he's doing

00:33:06.360 and he played

00:33:06.880 into the CTE

00:33:07.640 thing real well.

00:33:08.820 You know,

00:33:09.080 his CTE ESPN.

00:33:11.840 Hilarious,

00:33:12.340 dude.

00:33:12.840 It's hilarious.

00:33:14.200 It's hilarious.

00:33:15.640 And he's kind

00:33:16.320 of bridging

00:33:16.960 a little bit.

00:33:18.260 He does a little

00:33:18.800 bit of racial bridging

00:33:19.880 kind of.

00:33:20.520 Yeah,

00:33:20.760 a little bit.

00:33:21.620 Because he'll

00:33:22.260 call people

00:33:22.840 name.

00:33:23.180 You know,

00:33:23.380 he'll call

00:33:23.740 some guy

00:33:24.160 Crack or

00:33:24.740 some guy

00:33:25.040 the N-word.

00:33:25.700 He'll mix it.

00:33:26.180 He'll call

00:33:26.440 an Asian

00:33:26.920 the N-word.

00:33:27.720 He don't get

00:33:28.020 there's no...

00:33:29.340 He's in a space

00:33:30.480 right now

00:33:30.980 where he knows

00:33:31.540 what he's doing

00:33:32.120 and he knows

00:33:32.720 how to get

00:33:33.040 that traction.

00:33:33.960 He knows

00:33:34.260 how to get

00:33:34.580 that reaction.

00:33:35.300 I cheer him

00:33:36.200 I cheer him on

00:33:36.360 because I do

00:33:37.360 find that it's

00:33:37.940 interesting where

00:33:38.540 he's at

00:33:39.160 and I hope

00:33:39.760 he can figure

00:33:40.480 out the best

00:33:41.020 way to manage

00:33:41.640 it.

00:33:42.020 I mean,

00:33:42.360 look at this

00:33:42.800 shit.

00:33:44.220 Hey,

00:33:45.160 listen,

00:33:45.840 he's on a

00:33:46.580 historic run

00:33:47.860 right now.

00:33:49.200 He's on a

00:33:49.880 historic run

00:33:50.540 in his own

00:33:51.140 lane doing

00:33:52.000 what he does.

00:33:52.680 I love him

00:33:54.260 to death.

00:33:54.800 I love him

00:33:55.160 to death.

00:33:55.640 You know,

00:33:55.980 obviously a

00:33:57.020 friend of mine

00:33:57.620 before football.

00:33:59.400 Oh,

00:33:59.680 really?

00:34:00.000 Yeah,

00:34:00.200 before football.

00:34:00.840 Yeah,

00:34:01.020 this goes way

00:34:01.760 back and that's

00:34:02.440 someone I will

00:34:03.460 always support

00:34:04.180 whether it's up

00:34:05.080 close,

00:34:05.420 whether it's

00:34:05.680 from afar.

00:34:07.400 You know,

00:34:07.560 his decisions

00:34:08.140 that he makes,

00:34:08.920 you know,

00:34:09.140 that's him.

00:34:10.200 He's a grown

00:34:10.880 man,

00:34:11.260 but there's one

00:34:11.900 thing about him,

00:34:12.400 I'm going to

00:34:12.620 always love him.

00:34:14.000 No,

00:34:14.380 that's nice to

00:34:14.880 hear,

00:34:15.160 man.

00:34:16.240 Yeah,

00:34:16.620 I will say

00:34:17.340 this,

00:34:17.520 there's something

00:34:17.860 extremely lovable

00:34:18.780 about him,

00:34:19.500 right?

00:34:20.140 It's like

00:34:20.820 whatever he does

00:34:22.360 or anything

00:34:23.680 he's saying,

00:34:24.680 him as a

00:34:25.780 person,

00:34:26.460 he has such

00:34:26.940 a warm

00:34:28.220 energy and

00:34:28.780 smile and

00:34:29.620 now I haven't

00:34:29.980 seen like a

00:34:30.400 darker side of

00:34:30.940 him,

00:34:31.000 there may be,

00:34:31.420 I don't know,

00:34:31.920 but he's got

00:34:32.320 such a smile

00:34:33.060 that it's like

00:34:33.740 you want to

00:34:34.980 get on,

00:34:35.260 you want to

00:34:35.560 hear what's

00:34:35.860 going to

00:34:36.060 happen with

00:34:37.080 him.

00:34:37.320 Yeah,

00:34:37.620 very interesting,

00:34:38.980 very unpredictable.

00:34:40.960 That's what makes

00:34:41.620 this so awesome

00:34:42.780 because you don't

00:34:43.440 know what the

00:34:43.820 fuck,

00:34:44.180 excuse me,

00:34:44.640 you don't

00:34:44.820 know,

00:34:45.420 you can curse?

00:34:46.140 You can curse,

00:34:46.680 you don't know

00:34:47.080 what the fuck

00:34:47.560 is going to

00:34:47.800 happen next.

00:34:48.660 Because I don't

00:34:48.980 even think he

00:34:49.540 know,

00:34:49.920 he might know,

00:34:51.400 but you're like,

00:34:52.520 I'm going to

00:34:52.860 ride with him even

00:34:53.620 if he doesn't.

00:34:54.060 Everything AB does

00:34:55.680 right now is

00:34:56.500 strategic.

00:34:58.620 It's strategic.

00:34:59.260 It's planned out

00:35:00.160 and he's two

00:35:00.700 steps ahead of

00:35:01.280 everybody else.

00:35:02.020 Yeah,

00:35:02.260 I love hearing

00:35:02.820 that.

00:35:03.640 Yeah,

00:35:03.900 Belichick really

00:35:04.440 opened a portal

00:35:05.100 with dating a

00:35:05.880 young lady,

00:35:06.480 man.

00:35:07.140 Yeah.

00:35:07.640 I mean,

00:35:07.960 I had an

00:35:09.260 opportunity to

00:35:09.720 work with Bill

00:35:10.180 this past season

00:35:11.200 on NFL films.

00:35:12.740 So Bill was

00:35:13.260 there with me

00:35:13.960 and Ryan Clark

00:35:14.640 and Chris Long.

00:35:15.600 And did you get

00:35:15.980 to meet his

00:35:16.300 girlfriend then?

00:35:17.200 No,

00:35:17.380 I didn't meet her.

00:35:19.140 I think I might

00:35:20.580 have saw her once.

00:35:21.440 I mean,

00:35:21.760 people are over,

00:35:22.600 they're almost

00:35:22.980 overshadowing his

00:35:24.060 acumen and what

00:35:25.460 he's done with

00:35:26.340 her.

00:35:26.740 You know,

00:35:26.880 the media will

00:35:27.400 do that a lot

00:35:27.980 of times.

00:35:28.700 Yeah,

00:35:29.020 yeah.

00:35:29.420 I mean,

00:35:30.140 Bill is Bill.

00:35:31.300 Bill's going to

00:35:31.820 be able to do

00:35:32.260 what he wants

00:35:32.640 to do.

00:35:33.300 His resume

00:35:33.840 speaks for

00:35:34.360 itself.

00:35:35.300 And I'm

00:35:35.880 excited for

00:35:36.480 Bill,

00:35:36.920 obviously,

00:35:37.440 and what he's

00:35:37.960 going to do

00:35:38.260 turning that

00:35:38.780 UNC program

00:35:39.460 around and

00:35:40.080 getting another

00:35:40.560 opportunity to

00:35:41.740 coach the NFL.

00:35:42.700 Now,

00:35:42.960 what he decides

00:35:43.720 to do with

00:35:44.160 his personal

00:35:44.580 life,

00:35:45.620 that's one

00:35:46.200 thing I stay

00:35:46.640 away from.

00:35:47.260 You know,

00:35:47.440 I always stay

00:35:47.840 away from stuff

00:35:48.280 like that.

00:35:48.960 Yeah.

00:35:50.000 Did,

00:35:50.500 yeah,

00:35:50.660 because I'm

00:35:50.880 trying to think,

00:35:51.200 because my

00:35:51.580 dad was 70

00:35:52.340 when I was

00:35:52.760 born.

00:35:53.020 My mom

00:35:53.300 was 32,

00:35:54.160 right?

00:35:54.440 So,

00:35:54.920 okay.

00:35:55.300 They had,

00:35:55.880 what is Bill's

00:35:56.440 difference in

00:35:57.300 it?

00:35:58.340 74 and 23,

00:35:59.360 right?

00:36:01.460 So,

00:36:01.920 yeah,

00:36:02.140 I mean,

00:36:02.520 you know,

00:36:03.780 I didn't love

00:36:04.460 having an old,

00:36:05.240 if they had

00:36:05.680 children,

00:36:06.180 I don't know

00:36:06.380 if I loved

00:36:06.840 having an old

00:36:07.460 dad because,

00:36:08.320 you know,

00:36:08.520 it's like a

00:36:09.000 limited time

00:36:09.640 offer.

00:36:10.560 You know,

00:36:11.040 every time you

00:36:11.580 see him,

00:36:11.940 that shit,

00:36:12.280 the clock is,

00:36:13.340 you know,

00:36:14.260 the clock is

00:36:15.280 ticking.

00:36:15.600 Heaven's going

00:36:15.980 to make a

00:36:16.240 draft pick,

00:36:16.920 you know?

00:36:17.580 So,

00:36:17.900 you start to see

00:36:18.600 that 49 year

00:36:21.200 love.

00:36:22.160 Yeah.

00:36:23.340 Listen,

00:36:24.740 love who loves

00:36:25.520 you.

00:36:26.680 Love who loves

00:36:27.560 you.

00:36:27.760 That's all I

00:36:28.680 can say.

00:36:31.440 Do you feel

00:36:32.300 like it's

00:36:32.700 risky,

00:36:33.140 like with

00:36:33.480 athletes and

00:36:34.680 stuff,

00:36:34.900 there's a lot

00:36:35.240 of like,

00:36:36.000 you know,

00:36:36.500 there's a lot

00:36:36.900 of potential

00:36:37.580 for,

00:36:38.860 to get

00:36:39.400 in a sticky

00:36:41.000 situation because

00:36:42.040 a lot of

00:36:43.200 athletes,

00:36:43.940 they're,

00:36:45.800 you know,

00:36:46.420 they're,

00:36:46.880 people know

00:36:47.560 that they have

00:36:48.040 money,

00:36:48.800 they're,

00:36:49.160 they're in

00:36:50.260 great shape.

00:36:51.200 You know,

00:36:52.080 it seems to

00:36:52.660 be like it

00:36:53.180 happens more

00:36:53.720 often than

00:36:54.280 not these

00:36:54.840 days.

00:36:55.300 most definitely,

00:36:55.980 most definitely.

00:36:56.640 I mean,

00:36:56.920 you gotta,

00:36:57.200 you gotta be

00:36:57.580 cautious,

00:36:58.180 you gotta be

00:36:58.740 weary and

00:36:59.320 always understand

00:37:00.000 that,

00:37:01.000 you know,

00:37:02.000 sometimes most

00:37:02.760 of those that

00:37:03.220 you'll deal

00:37:03.600 with,

00:37:03.900 most of those

00:37:04.400 who will deal

00:37:04.940 with you,

00:37:05.340 it's because of

00:37:06.060 what you can

00:37:06.560 do and not

00:37:07.340 who you are.

00:37:09.140 How do you

00:37:09.760 try and figure

00:37:10.260 that out?

00:37:10.740 Like,

00:37:11.020 you can't,

00:37:12.640 you don't think?

00:37:13.380 You can't figure

00:37:13.720 it out because

00:37:14.260 you always have

00:37:16.120 to lean into

00:37:17.320 it with that

00:37:17.960 same thought

00:37:18.420 process.

00:37:18.920 Like,

00:37:20.760 what are you

00:37:21.120 saying?

00:37:22.520 You have to

00:37:23.220 understand,

00:37:23.920 especially when

00:37:24.460 you have money

00:37:25.040 and you have

00:37:25.900 things going

00:37:26.420 on for yourself,

00:37:27.400 would you be

00:37:27.880 able to get

00:37:28.200 the same girl

00:37:28.740 that's with you

00:37:29.160 now if you

00:37:29.640 didn't have

00:37:30.000 it?

00:37:30.720 Nine times out

00:37:32.020 of ten,

00:37:32.380 absolutely not.

00:37:34.320 Not,

00:37:34.760 that's just,

00:37:35.120 that's reality.

00:37:36.420 I don't know.

00:37:36.900 That goes for

00:37:37.880 any and

00:37:38.940 everybody,

00:37:39.640 you know?

00:37:40.640 That's just

00:37:41.160 life,

00:37:41.580 that's just

00:37:42.000 the way it

00:37:42.320 is.

00:37:42.480 If you lost

00:37:43.520 the ability

00:37:44.040 to provide,

00:37:45.100 the woman

00:37:45.600 you're with

00:37:46.020 right now,

00:37:46.520 would she

00:37:46.760 still be there?

00:37:48.100 And that's

00:37:48.380 probably for

00:37:48.720 any man,

00:37:49.220 really almost

00:37:49.600 in any space.

00:37:50.280 Period.

00:37:50.780 If you lost

00:37:51.460 the ability

00:37:51.820 to provide,

00:37:52.920 yeah.

00:37:53.240 Period.

00:37:53.700 Or do the

00:37:54.180 things or give

00:37:55.060 her the lifestyle

00:37:55.680 that you've

00:37:56.440 been able to.

00:37:57.040 What was she

00:37:57.440 doing before

00:37:57.780 you came

00:37:58.100 along?

00:37:59.080 Yeah.

00:37:59.900 And look

00:38:00.420 what you've

00:38:00.780 done with

00:38:01.100 that certain

00:38:01.520 individual

00:38:01.820 that you're

00:38:02.240 with,

00:38:02.720 you know?

00:38:03.340 And depending

00:38:03.780 on how much

00:38:04.360 money you have,

00:38:05.220 your leash is

00:38:05.680 very long.

00:38:06.940 And when

00:38:07.960 things hit

00:38:08.940 the roof,

00:38:09.920 most of the

00:38:10.460 time when she

00:38:10.880 leaves you,

00:38:11.260 she has to

00:38:11.580 take that

00:38:11.920 money with

00:38:12.340 her to

00:38:12.980 continue that

00:38:13.480 lifestyle.

00:38:14.100 Oh,

00:38:14.480 yeah,

00:38:14.680 that's a

00:38:17.300 kind of

00:38:18.640 divided up.

00:38:20.380 Do you have

00:38:21.140 a lot,

00:38:22.140 you have a

00:38:22.480 decent amount

00:38:22.860 of children?

00:38:23.420 Yeah,

00:38:23.620 a lot,

00:38:23.840 85.

00:38:24.740 You have

00:38:24.960 85?

00:38:25.500 Is that

00:38:25.700 your goal?

00:38:26.420 Yeah.

00:38:27.160 Yeah,

00:38:27.680 but then also

00:38:30.160 the people

00:38:30.600 I've had kids

00:38:31.240 with,

00:38:31.780 we were all

00:38:32.200 on one

00:38:32.480 accord.

00:38:33.540 What does

00:38:33.880 that mean?

00:38:35.200 I only dated

00:38:35.740 women that

00:38:36.280 were athletic.

00:38:37.660 I'm not

00:38:38.160 having kids

00:38:38.880 just to have

00:38:39.720 kids.

00:38:40.460 Oh,

00:38:40.880 so do you

00:38:41.300 have some

00:38:41.540 strategy?

00:38:42.120 Yeah,

00:38:42.460 there was

00:38:42.640 strategy behind

00:38:43.160 mine.

00:38:43.500 I don't care

00:38:43.820 about you being

00:38:44.240 a bad bitch.

00:38:44.980 I don't care

00:38:45.260 about you being

00:38:45.660 on IG with

00:38:46.320 your ass out.

00:38:47.300 And no BBLs,

00:38:48.500 all of that.

00:38:48.980 I mean,

00:38:49.400 that's fine.

00:38:50.080 Whatever you

00:38:50.420 need to do

00:38:50.900 to feel

00:38:51.860 better about

00:38:52.340 yourself,

00:38:53.160 I'm fine

00:38:53.620 with that.

00:38:54.100 But I

00:38:54.360 needed and

00:38:55.020 only dated

00:38:55.580 women that

00:38:56.440 were athletic.

00:38:57.320 So my

00:38:57.900 kids had

00:38:58.600 a head

00:38:58.940 start on

00:39:00.040 that foundation

00:39:00.760 of athletic

00:39:01.480 ability.

00:39:02.440 So I

00:39:02.960 look at

00:39:03.220 women,

00:39:03.500 I look at

00:39:03.780 ankles.

00:39:04.560 Yeah,

00:39:04.700 because I

00:39:04.920 look at

00:39:05.140 some track.

00:39:06.360 Do you

00:39:06.660 see some

00:39:07.040 of them

00:39:07.240 track women?

00:39:07.920 Yeah,

00:39:07.980 my daughter

00:39:08.780 runs track

00:39:09.260 at University

00:39:09.820 of Kentucky

00:39:10.200 now.

00:39:10.820 Oh,

00:39:11.060 really?

00:39:11.560 Yeah,

00:39:11.720 I live in

00:39:12.020 Nashville,

00:39:12.460 man,

00:39:12.560 that's not

00:39:12.820 far.

00:39:13.240 For real?

00:39:13.700 Yeah,

00:39:13.880 if you go up

00:39:14.260 to see a

00:39:15.220 meet,

00:39:15.380 I'll come

00:39:15.680 up there

00:39:15.940 and meet

00:39:16.120 up with

00:39:16.320 you guys.

00:39:16.680 In Lexington?

00:39:17.400 Yeah.

00:39:17.760 Dude,

00:39:18.040 that'd be

00:39:18.320 awesome.

00:39:19.080 Yeah.

00:39:19.460 Because I

00:39:19.800 bet they'll

00:39:20.120 also run

00:39:20.520 against LSU

00:39:21.040 or Vanderbilt.

00:39:23.900 Dude,

00:39:24.160 that'd be

00:39:24.480 sick,

00:39:25.100 bro.

00:39:25.320 I'll come

00:39:25.660 up there,

00:39:26.200 man.

00:39:26.560 Yeah,

00:39:26.820 and I

00:39:27.200 never really

00:39:28.540 have this.

00:39:28.960 There she

00:39:29.200 is.

00:39:29.820 Yeah,

00:39:30.020 this is when

00:39:30.260 she was

00:39:30.500 young.

00:39:31.140 And she's

00:39:31.580 good,

00:39:32.020 huh?

00:39:32.200 Oh,

00:39:32.360 yeah,

00:39:32.580 she can

00:39:32.920 go.

00:39:33.620 She can't

00:39:34.320 beat me,

00:39:34.720 but she

00:39:34.940 can go.

00:39:35.840 Do you

00:39:36.220 think she'll

00:39:36.580 be able to

00:39:36.900 beat you

00:39:37.100 at some

00:39:37.320 point?

00:39:37.780 Absolutely

00:39:38.140 not,

00:39:38.460 because before

00:39:38.900 my kids beat

00:39:42.500 me in

00:39:42.740 anything,

00:39:43.460 I would

00:39:43.780 trip her.

00:39:45.580 I'm just

00:39:46.120 being honest.

00:39:46.680 I would

00:39:46.960 trip her

00:39:47.280 before she

00:39:47.700 beat me.

00:39:49.260 Yeah,

00:39:49.520 not happening.

00:39:52.260 Not happening.

00:39:53.120 Dude,

00:39:53.540 dang,

00:39:54.960 so was her

00:39:56.360 mother athletic?

00:39:57.900 Absolutely.

00:39:58.820 Yeah,

00:39:58.880 dude,

00:39:59.020 you see those

00:39:59.500 track ladies?

00:40:00.680 All of them.

00:40:02.020 Did you

00:40:02.400 cheer?

00:40:04.000 Did you

00:40:04.280 play volleyball?

00:40:05.660 Did you

00:40:05.920 run track?

00:40:06.760 Volleyball,

00:40:07.240 yeah.

00:40:07.480 I mean,

00:40:07.740 I just

00:40:08.160 need to

00:40:08.400 see.

00:40:08.560 But cheer,

00:40:09.080 sometimes you

00:40:09.440 get these

00:40:09.740 little nuggets.

00:40:10.580 They get

00:40:10.840 them little

00:40:11.160 McNuggets out

00:40:11.960 there.

00:40:11.980 I know,

00:40:12.800 I can tell,

00:40:13.360 because when

00:40:13.640 I go on

00:40:14.040 dates,

00:40:14.400 I like to

00:40:14.720 go places

00:40:15.140 where you

00:40:15.460 have to

00:40:15.780 show me

00:40:16.560 athletic

00:40:16.880 ability.

00:40:17.520 Go to

00:40:17.860 Dave & Busser's.

00:40:18.640 Can you

00:40:18.920 shoot?

00:40:19.380 Now,

00:40:19.520 if you

00:40:19.640 don't have

00:40:19.860 no form

00:40:20.240 and can't

00:40:20.520 shoot,

00:40:20.740 I can't

00:40:21.020 do nothing

00:40:21.240 with you.

00:40:22.000 Go bowling.

00:40:23.340 Go roller

00:40:23.760 skating.

00:40:24.780 Oh,

00:40:24.960 that's a

00:40:25.280 good one.

00:40:25.860 So I

00:40:26.160 hold my

00:40:26.820 own

00:40:27.260 roller

00:40:29.280 skating.

00:40:29.820 It's ice

00:40:30.280 skating for

00:40:30.700 black people

00:40:31.300 right there.

00:40:31.760 That's what

00:40:32.000 that is,

00:40:32.520 dude.

00:40:32.800 The combine.

00:40:33.600 I hold my

00:40:33.900 own combine.

00:40:35.260 They think

00:40:36.000 we're going

00:40:36.360 on dates.

00:40:37.380 Little do

00:40:37.780 you know,

00:40:38.400 I'm taking

00:40:39.240 notes.

00:40:40.040 Okay,

00:40:40.400 you can bowl.

00:40:41.520 Okay,

00:40:41.700 you don't

00:40:41.860 really have

00:40:42.220 any coordination

00:40:42.620 skating,

00:40:43.360 but I can

00:40:43.900 work on

00:40:44.240 that.

00:40:44.440 Come on,

00:40:45.120 Che.

00:40:45.380 Go to the

00:40:46.400 gym.

00:40:46.820 A gym date?

00:40:47.980 Oh,

00:40:48.320 please.

00:40:49.760 Take them

00:40:50.000 to the gym

00:40:50.700 on a second

00:40:51.160 date?

00:40:51.580 Yeah,

00:40:52.200 yeah.

00:40:52.900 First date,

00:40:53.480 Dave & Busser's.

00:40:54.680 Check out

00:40:55.300 coordination.

00:40:55.800 Let me see

00:40:56.200 how your

00:40:56.440 lateral movement

00:40:57.000 is.

00:40:58.220 Hey,

00:40:59.100 are you laughing?

00:40:59.840 That shit is

00:41:00.180 important.

00:41:00.920 No,

00:41:01.120 it looks

00:41:01.280 sometimes.

00:41:01.740 Listen,

00:41:02.020 some of these

00:41:03.020 guys.

00:41:03.180 No,

00:41:03.360 that's a good

00:41:03.840 point.

00:41:04.240 Yeah,

00:41:04.380 they date

00:41:04.760 women.

00:41:05.260 Oh,

00:41:05.440 she's so fine.

00:41:06.220 She's on

00:41:06.700 IG live.

00:41:07.620 She fine as

00:41:08.220 hell.

00:41:08.960 You have a

00:41:09.600 child.

00:41:10.360 Your child

00:41:10.680 got two left

00:41:11.260 feet and you

00:41:11.840 wonder why

00:41:12.200 your child

00:41:12.580 get picked

00:41:12.960 last in PE.

00:41:13.860 Yeah,

00:41:14.040 your child

00:41:14.360 out there,

00:41:14.660 he's swimming

00:41:14.960 in a little

00:41:15.260 circle.

00:41:15.980 Oh,

00:41:16.120 they come

00:41:16.380 home sad.

00:41:17.560 Nobody

00:41:17.960 picked me.

00:41:18.960 Nah,

00:41:19.260 fuck that.

00:41:20.540 Yeah,

00:41:20.820 fuck that,

00:41:21.380 dog.

00:41:21.740 If she can't

00:41:24.220 play kickball,

00:41:25.140 I'm out.

00:41:25.720 Oh,

00:41:26.400 dude.

00:41:27.200 That's because

00:41:27.520 that's a good

00:41:27.980 test of a lot

00:41:28.740 of different

00:41:29.060 sports at once.

00:41:29.720 A lot.

00:41:30.260 Run and kick

00:41:31.160 it at the same

00:41:31.740 time.

00:41:32.160 You know how

00:41:32.380 hard that is

00:41:32.900 to do?

00:41:33.360 Very tough.

00:41:33.760 The coordination

00:41:34.160 to be able to

00:41:34.720 run forward

00:41:35.300 and kick

00:41:35.940 in rhythm.

00:41:37.220 Yeah.

00:41:38.540 That's the

00:41:39.060 fucking Mozart

00:41:39.680 of athletics

00:41:40.460 to me,

00:41:40.980 boy.

00:41:41.240 Kickball

00:41:41.620 will show

00:41:41.880 you a lot.

00:41:42.500 Yep,

00:41:43.240 absolutely.

00:41:43.820 That's what

00:41:44.160 I'm saying.

00:41:44.840 But there's a

00:41:45.420 lot of traps.

00:41:46.140 A lot of people

00:41:46.480 don't think

00:41:46.880 like that.

00:41:47.360 Because you

00:41:47.600 have to think

00:41:48.120 a lot of

00:41:51.680 men,

00:41:52.320 because I

00:41:52.600 feel like a

00:41:53.020 lot of,

00:41:54.600 let me get

00:41:55.100 this right.

00:41:55.420 So in the

00:41:55.780 NFL,

00:41:56.060 they got a

00:41:56.500 lot of guys,

00:41:57.300 it seems like

00:41:57.700 who want to

00:41:58.000 have a lot

00:41:58.340 of children,

00:41:59.120 right?

00:41:59.700 Do you think

00:42:00.220 that that's

00:42:00.620 true?

00:42:01.600 No,

00:42:02.000 I think

00:42:02.320 at times.

00:42:03.800 Is that a

00:42:04.280 stereotype?

00:42:05.080 With black

00:42:06.640 community,

00:42:07.520 do they have

00:42:07.840 a lot of

00:42:08.140 guys who

00:42:08.420 want to

00:42:08.540 have a lot

00:42:08.820 of children?

00:42:09.400 Well,

00:42:09.520 there are a lot

00:42:09.860 of white

00:42:10.120 guys,

00:42:10.460 too.

00:42:10.580 They have

00:42:10.780 a lot

00:42:10.960 of kids

00:42:11.200 as well.

00:42:11.760 But I

00:42:12.300 think we

00:42:12.620 just get

00:42:13.000 caught up

00:42:13.300 in the

00:42:13.480 moment most

00:42:14.340 of the

00:42:14.460 time.

00:42:14.700 And I

00:42:14.820 think our

00:42:15.620 counterparts,

00:42:16.340 on the

00:42:16.520 other hand,

00:42:17.440 they have

00:42:20.180 a little bit

00:42:20.520 more discipline

00:42:21.480 in that

00:42:21.960 area.

00:42:22.900 But I

00:42:23.140 think they're

00:42:24.080 not as

00:42:24.500 bad as

00:42:24.880 us.

00:42:25.500 What do

00:42:25.960 you mean

00:42:26.040 our

00:42:26.160 counterparts?

00:42:27.360 I mean

00:42:27.660 white guys.

00:42:28.760 Okay,

00:42:29.060 so white

00:42:29.320 guys versus

00:42:29.620 black guys.

00:42:30.500 I'm not

00:42:30.920 even looking

00:42:31.300 at it like

00:42:31.720 in a,

00:42:32.080 I guess I

00:42:32.500 am looking

00:42:32.820 at it

00:42:33.020 obviously

00:42:33.320 in culture.

00:42:34.680 I'm not

00:42:35.140 really looking

00:42:35.520 at it in

00:42:35.920 race,

00:42:36.260 but I'm

00:42:36.480 looking at

00:42:36.760 it in

00:42:36.940 culture.

00:42:37.500 So I'm

00:42:37.880 thinking in

00:42:38.220 black

00:42:38.420 culture,

00:42:38.940 is it more

00:42:39.460 of a

00:42:39.680 thing to

00:42:40.060 have?

00:42:40.420 It happens

00:42:41.000 a lot.

00:42:41.680 We get

00:42:42.400 caught up

00:42:42.720 in the

00:42:42.900 moment.

00:42:43.420 We get

00:42:43.980 caught up

00:42:44.240 in the

00:42:44.400 moment.

00:42:44.700 Now I'm

00:42:45.440 one who

00:42:46.180 is one

00:42:46.560 of those.

00:42:46.960 But for

00:42:48.780 me,

00:42:49.940 everything I've

00:42:50.420 done was

00:42:50.840 strategic and

00:42:51.360 not done

00:42:51.720 on purpose.

00:42:52.220 There was a

00:42:52.500 method to

00:42:52.860 my madness.

00:42:54.960 I'm not

00:42:55.560 having kids,

00:42:56.120 nobody's running

00:42:56.860 to child

00:42:57.320 support.

00:42:58.460 No,

00:42:59.120 no,

00:42:59.460 because we

00:43:00.000 all had

00:43:00.380 one end

00:43:00.800 goal.

00:43:01.200 You

00:43:01.280 understood

00:43:01.600 what it

00:43:01.920 was.

00:43:02.620 And I

00:43:02.900 also had

00:43:03.600 kids with

00:43:03.980 people that

00:43:04.440 I've

00:43:04.560 known before

00:43:04.960 I even

00:43:05.200 made it.

00:43:05.800 So there

00:43:06.360 were no

00:43:06.700 ulterior

00:43:07.100 motives like

00:43:08.040 most have

00:43:08.600 when you

00:43:08.820 meet them

00:43:09.080 once you

00:43:09.400 already

00:43:09.680 have

00:43:09.960 money.

00:43:11.140 So you

00:43:11.620 meet some

00:43:12.040 thought at

00:43:12.440 an equinox

00:43:13.200 or something.

00:43:13.660 And you

00:43:13.800 have a

00:43:14.060 child and

00:43:14.400 the first

00:43:14.700 thing you

00:43:15.020 wonder why

00:43:15.340 things don't

00:43:15.760 work out.

00:43:16.420 Not things

00:43:17.260 most times

00:43:17.880 don't work

00:43:18.220 out.

00:43:18.420 But no,

00:43:18.540 it's like

00:43:18.760 you don't

00:43:19.120 know who

00:43:19.500 you're putting

00:43:20.940 yourself at

00:43:21.500 risk.

00:43:22.400 So you're

00:43:22.780 saying instead

00:43:23.220 of risk,

00:43:24.020 you have

00:43:24.420 more strategy.

00:43:25.200 Yeah,

00:43:25.360 most definitely.

00:43:27.000 Yeah,

00:43:27.480 because I

00:43:27.740 just wonder,

00:43:28.340 sometimes I

00:43:28.780 wonder in

00:43:29.100 black culture,

00:43:29.820 do black

00:43:31.440 men view the

00:43:33.000 world differently?

00:43:34.720 Do they view

00:43:36.060 it more as

00:43:36.500 like I'm a

00:43:37.680 king and

00:43:38.220 this is my

00:43:38.780 castle?

00:43:39.600 Nah,

00:43:40.120 I don't.

00:43:40.820 I don't.

00:43:41.180 You know,

00:43:41.540 that's just how

00:43:42.060 I wonder

00:43:42.460 sometimes or

00:43:43.120 like,

00:43:43.980 yeah,

00:43:44.180 like is there

00:43:44.640 strategy sometimes?

00:43:46.260 Well,

00:43:46.500 I gave you

00:43:47.120 mine.

00:43:47.560 Right.

00:43:47.780 And I've

00:43:48.260 always lived

00:43:48.680 by that,

00:43:49.120 no matter

00:43:49.380 who it

00:43:49.680 was.

00:43:50.000 I don't

00:43:50.160 care how

00:43:50.460 fine you

00:43:50.880 are.

00:43:51.240 I'm not

00:43:51.600 here to

00:43:51.860 raise

00:43:52.060 models.

00:43:52.840 I want

00:43:53.080 athletes.

00:43:53.860 So therefore

00:43:54.220 I'm going

00:43:54.540 to procreate

00:43:55.040 with those

00:43:55.540 who give

00:43:56.340 me just

00:43:56.740 that.

00:43:57.440 Now,

00:43:58.060 listen,

00:43:59.100 you'll have

00:43:59.420 fun and

00:44:00.660 go on dates

00:44:01.220 and for

00:44:02.200 those who

00:44:02.800 are not

00:44:04.320 that,

00:44:04.740 but when it

00:44:05.500 comes to

00:44:05.780 having kids,

00:44:06.400 oh,

00:44:07.060 oh,

00:44:07.320 honey,

00:44:07.880 uh-uh.

00:44:08.860 I don't care

00:44:09.180 how fine

00:44:09.560 you are.

00:44:11.040 Yeah,

00:44:11.420 yeah,

00:44:11.680 yeah.

00:44:12.340 You got a

00:44:12.800 kid.

00:44:12.980 You're a

00:44:13.160 kid walking

00:44:13.580 at three

00:44:13.980 weeks.

00:44:15.360 Running

00:44:15.760 at four.

00:44:17.440 Yeah.

00:44:18.360 For his

00:44:18.880 first birthday,

00:44:19.640 you get him

00:44:19.920 a hurdle.

00:44:23.360 Do you

00:44:24.020 think,

00:44:24.700 what else

00:44:25.200 am I

00:44:25.480 thinking

00:44:25.760 about?

00:44:28.100 Do you

00:44:28.660 think,

00:44:29.180 do you

00:44:31.720 think there's

00:44:31.980 a lot of

00:44:32.340 gay,

00:44:32.660 they just had

00:44:33.060 a guy,

00:44:33.400 they were

00:44:33.560 talking about

00:44:33.840 a gay

00:44:34.160 gentleman

00:44:34.540 in the NFL.

00:44:35.520 Do you

00:44:35.840 think there's

00:44:36.220 more gay

00:44:37.320 men in

00:44:38.440 the NFL

00:44:38.880 that we

00:44:39.200 just don't

00:44:39.480 know about?

00:44:40.720 And they're

00:44:40.940 afraid to say

00:44:41.400 it.

00:44:41.740 They probably

00:44:42.480 don't want

00:44:42.880 to make

00:44:43.320 people

00:44:44.520 uncomfortable.

00:44:45.460 And the

00:44:45.700 media will

00:44:46.120 make it a

00:44:46.440 big deal.

00:44:46.960 Yeah,

00:44:47.280 absolutely.

00:44:47.800 I'm sure

00:44:48.400 it is.

00:44:48.980 I'm sure

00:44:49.280 it is.

00:44:49.860 And I

00:44:50.040 wouldn't have

00:44:51.060 a problem

00:44:51.400 with it.

00:44:52.200 You know,

00:44:52.560 I'd be the

00:44:53.040 one making

00:44:53.340 jokes.

00:44:54.060 Oh,

00:44:54.480 yeah.

00:44:54.980 Yeah,

00:44:55.200 I'd listen,

00:44:55.820 I'd be the

00:44:56.200 one making

00:44:56.520 jokes.

00:44:56.900 I don't

00:44:57.060 care what

00:44:57.360 you are.

00:44:57.720 Gay,

00:44:58.080 trans,

00:44:58.720 ABC,

00:44:59.820 I don't

00:45:00.100 care.

00:45:00.420 I'm accepting

00:45:01.240 of all.

00:45:02.260 Yeah.

00:45:02.640 And I would

00:45:03.180 have a time.

00:45:03.500 But yeah,

00:45:03.760 I'm still going

00:45:04.300 to cut up

00:45:04.780 on them.

00:45:05.220 Oh,

00:45:05.440 yeah,

00:45:05.780 absolutely.

00:45:06.940 Absolutely.

00:45:07.280 And it's

00:45:07.560 probably for

00:45:08.040 the best,

00:45:08.520 because if

00:45:08.760 you get

00:45:08.980 some good

00:45:09.400 jokes going,

00:45:10.120 that's the

00:45:10.480 thing about

00:45:10.860 joking all

00:45:11.400 the time.

00:45:11.920 It's like

00:45:12.080 they tried

00:45:12.420 to make

00:45:12.680 joking a

00:45:13.160 crime over

00:45:13.760 the past

00:45:14.220 like 10

00:45:14.680 years.

00:45:15.620 Everybody's

00:45:16.060 very sensitive.

00:45:17.380 That's one

00:45:17.960 reason I like

00:45:18.700 AB is because

00:45:19.580 he just,

00:45:21.300 you know in

00:45:21.860 his heart

00:45:22.320 that he probably

00:45:23.720 doesn't have a

00:45:24.380 lot of malice

00:45:25.060 in that world.

00:45:26.100 Right.

00:45:26.900 But he likes

00:45:27.480 to have fun.

00:45:28.020 You know,

00:45:28.520 that's one

00:45:29.040 thing I think

00:45:29.440 that black

00:45:29.820 culture does

00:45:30.340 better than

00:45:30.880 white culture

00:45:31.400 does is tell

00:45:32.660 jokes.

00:45:33.160 If you get

00:45:33.720 around and

00:45:34.820 you start

00:45:35.180 clowning on

00:45:35.720 somebody,

00:45:36.560 but you're

00:45:36.880 right there

00:45:37.240 with them,

00:45:37.660 they know

00:45:38.060 you're

00:45:38.380 supported.

00:45:39.200 Yeah.

00:45:39.640 But man,

00:45:40.380 that's shit.

00:45:41.220 And then you

00:45:41.620 know the

00:45:41.960 next bullet

00:45:42.540 is coming

00:45:42.840 right the

00:45:43.140 next time

00:45:43.700 they get

00:45:44.060 a chance

00:45:44.620 it's coming

00:45:45.360 for you.

00:45:45.940 Yeah,

00:45:46.120 most definitely.

00:45:47.040 That's the

00:45:47.380 most fun,

00:45:48.080 dude.

00:45:48.380 I don't know

00:45:49.000 why people

00:45:49.680 call it

00:45:51.740 homophobic,

00:45:53.060 you know,

00:45:53.440 I think.

00:45:54.180 And I think

00:45:54.880 that's one

00:45:55.140 of the reasons

00:45:55.440 a lot of

00:45:55.820 players don't

00:45:56.280 want to

00:45:56.520 come out,

00:45:57.060 you know,

00:45:57.400 or people

00:45:57.920 in general

00:45:58.420 that might

00:45:59.180 swing the

00:45:59.720 other way.

00:46:00.580 I mean,

00:46:00.860 shoot,

00:46:01.140 fuck it.

00:46:01.940 Just,

00:46:02.440 it is,

00:46:02.740 it's who you

00:46:03.120 living your

00:46:03.520 truth.

00:46:03.980 And plus

00:46:04.240 they got

00:46:04.520 some gangster

00:46:05.280 gay dudes

00:46:05.960 out there.

00:46:06.340 Yeah.

00:46:06.780 It's not

00:46:07.440 like the

00:46:07.860 gay dudes

00:46:08.500 20 years

00:46:09.180 ago.

00:46:09.620 Yeah.

00:46:09.820 Everybody

00:46:10.220 was feminine.

00:46:11.060 Nah.

00:46:11.300 Yeah.

00:46:11.580 They got

00:46:12.080 a rainbow

00:46:14.500 bright or

00:46:15.140 something.

00:46:15.600 They got gay

00:46:16.040 dudes to

00:46:16.360 beat your

00:46:16.680 ass.

00:46:16.900 God.

00:46:17.580 Literally.

00:46:18.820 Literally.

00:46:19.260 Listen,

00:46:19.540 I've always

00:46:20.320 been fond of

00:46:20.900 that community

00:46:21.740 that they've

00:46:22.060 always showed

00:46:22.460 love to me

00:46:22.860 and I've

00:46:23.100 always

00:46:23.280 showed

00:46:23.500 love back.

00:46:24.280 Oh yeah,

00:46:24.540 they got

00:46:24.740 some severe

00:46:25.520 gay dudes.

00:46:26.600 That's a

00:46:26.880 song right

00:46:27.400 there by

00:46:28.680 Eves.

00:46:39.700 I didn't

00:46:42.420 know they

00:46:42.800 had this

00:46:43.220 song.

00:46:43.640 I never

00:46:43.940 heard this.

00:46:44.780 Who sings

00:46:45.480 that?

00:46:45.720 That's great.

00:46:47.200 This is

00:46:47.840 crazy.

00:46:52.160 Yep.

00:46:52.860 It's funny.

00:46:53.400 It's funny

00:46:53.800 especially where

00:46:54.440 we are in

00:46:54.820 the world

00:46:55.080 right now

00:46:55.560 that some

00:46:56.320 people based

00:46:57.180 on occupation

00:46:57.940 and based

00:46:58.360 on what you

00:46:58.800 do, you

00:46:59.580 really can't

00:47:00.080 come out

00:47:00.440 because it

00:47:00.860 can jeopardize

00:47:01.500 what you

00:47:01.740 have going

00:47:02.120 on.

00:47:02.580 But it

00:47:03.040 feels like

00:47:03.360 the only

00:47:03.540 place that

00:47:03.900 is kind

00:47:04.280 of well

00:47:04.500 maybe there's

00:47:04.920 I'm sure

00:47:05.380 there's probably

00:47:05.740 like some

00:47:06.300 like probably

00:47:07.740 farming communities

00:47:08.880 like you know

00:47:12.080 I bet there's

00:47:12.460 probably farming

00:47:13.040 communities and

00:47:13.700 maybe athletics

00:47:15.200 but I don't

00:47:16.280 know in

00:47:16.620 women's

00:47:17.000 athletics it's

00:47:17.700 accepted.

00:47:18.000 Oh it's

00:47:18.300 accepted.

00:47:18.840 Yeah.

00:47:19.060 It's probably

00:47:19.480 just in

00:47:19.800 men's

00:47:20.080 athletics.

00:47:20.640 Do you

00:47:20.880 think that

00:47:21.220 there's a

00:47:21.660 if you

00:47:22.160 took the

00:47:22.720 gay players

00:47:23.600 from all

00:47:24.600 the teams

00:47:24.820 you think

00:47:25.120 you could

00:47:25.420 make a

00:47:25.800 you think

00:47:26.100 you could

00:47:26.320 make a

00:47:26.620 gay team

00:47:27.100 in the

00:47:27.320 NFL?

00:47:28.020 No, probably

00:47:28.700 not.

00:47:29.000 So you don't

00:47:29.380 think there's

00:47:29.580 enough gay men

00:47:30.080 to make a team?

00:47:30.780 No, no, not

00:47:31.680 that many.

00:47:32.020 Which division

00:47:32.660 you think in

00:47:33.460 the NFL

00:47:33.800 probably have

00:47:34.280 the most

00:47:34.680 gay players?

00:47:35.460 I have no

00:47:35.960 idea.

00:47:36.560 That's a good

00:47:36.940 one.

00:47:37.500 I have no

00:47:37.820 idea because

00:47:38.220 I don't

00:47:38.460 know everybody's

00:47:39.460 preference.

00:47:40.060 Right, but

00:47:40.420 if you had to

00:47:40.820 guess even just

00:47:41.460 by looking at

00:47:42.060 some of

00:47:42.340 let's pull up

00:47:42.860 the

00:47:43.020 that's the

00:47:45.760 funny thing

00:47:46.080 about you

00:47:46.360 you can't

00:47:46.620 look at

00:47:46.800 somebody

00:47:47.040 and tell.

00:47:47.600 No, you

00:47:47.940 can't, but

00:47:48.360 I'm just

00:47:48.600 saying look

00:47:48.940 at some

00:47:49.200 of these

00:47:49.380 records

00:47:49.800 though.

00:47:50.700 The Cowboy

00:47:51.320 that's last

00:47:53.460 year?

00:47:53.880 No.

00:47:55.560 Oh, okay.

00:47:57.060 Hey, that's

00:47:57.400 a good one.

00:47:58.740 I mean, to

00:47:59.100 be able to

00:47:59.980 statistically

00:48:00.820 rate how

00:48:02.200 many people

00:48:02.740 would be

00:48:03.500 you would

00:48:04.500 never know.

00:48:05.460 Right, you

00:48:05.680 would never

00:48:05.980 know, but

00:48:06.320 it's fun

00:48:06.660 to guess

00:48:07.020 with your

00:48:07.340 friends.

00:48:08.660 But I

00:48:08.940 will say

00:48:09.320 this, I

00:48:12.080 think it

00:48:12.680 would be

00:48:12.820 great if

00:48:13.100 they had

00:48:13.380 a gay

00:48:13.660 team.

00:48:15.440 You think

00:48:15.740 so?

00:48:16.360 Yeah, because

00:48:16.880 you know

00:48:17.060 how many

00:48:17.220 people would

00:48:17.580 support them?

00:48:18.320 It would

00:48:19.380 be huge.

00:48:20.100 People always

00:48:20.720 want the

00:48:21.100 underdog, right?

00:48:21.940 They always

00:48:22.520 want the

00:48:22.880 underdog.

00:48:23.220 Would they

00:48:23.400 really be

00:48:23.700 the underdog?

00:48:25.780 That's a

00:48:26.220 good point.

00:48:26.860 Would they

00:48:27.240 really be

00:48:27.560 the underdog?

00:48:28.220 Right, but

00:48:28.580 I think they

00:48:28.980 would be

00:48:29.280 billed as

00:48:29.940 the underdog.

00:48:30.580 Right, just

00:48:31.260 in general.

00:48:31.840 Right, in

00:48:32.300 general, that's

00:48:32.720 a good point.

00:48:33.260 That's a fair

00:48:33.720 statement.

00:48:34.360 Would they

00:48:34.720 actually

00:48:35.260 physically

00:48:35.860 capability

00:48:36.520 to be

00:48:36.880 the underdog?

00:48:38.320 No, we

00:48:38.860 have no idea.

00:48:39.540 Right.

00:48:40.080 Because we

00:48:40.380 don't know

00:48:40.720 what the

00:48:40.940 team is, but

00:48:41.660 I think they

00:48:43.300 would get

00:48:43.600 billed as

00:48:44.200 this underdog,

00:48:44.720 which would

00:48:45.120 give them a

00:48:45.640 chip on their

00:48:46.120 shoulder type

00:48:47.060 of mentality,

00:48:47.780 you know?

00:48:48.440 I think it's

00:48:49.040 one of the

00:48:49.280 same reasons

00:48:49.700 why you see

00:48:50.240 like...

00:48:50.760 Oh, they

00:48:51.100 have a

00:48:51.660 national gay

00:48:52.540 football league.

00:48:52.680 Oh, they

00:48:52.780 got a squad

00:48:53.340 already.

00:48:54.600 I'm telling

00:48:55.160 you, bro,

00:48:55.420 we're getting

00:48:55.680 close.

00:48:59.180 And everybody

00:48:59.880 throw with their

00:49:00.340 left arm in

00:49:01.000 that thing,

00:49:01.640 boy.

00:49:03.360 God, look

00:49:03.980 at that.

00:49:04.540 I didn't

00:49:04.800 know they

00:49:05.320 had that.

00:49:09.100 Oh, I bet

00:49:09.780 that's hype.

00:49:11.240 Dude, I

00:49:11.580 went to the

00:49:12.280 women's

00:49:13.580 lingerie

00:49:15.440 bowl one

00:49:15.920 time.

00:49:16.500 I remember

00:49:17.240 lingerie

00:49:17.640 football used

00:49:18.100 to be huge.

00:49:18.980 They hit

00:49:19.600 each other.

00:49:20.800 They go

00:49:21.200 crazy.

00:49:21.820 I've seen

00:49:22.120 some of the

00:49:22.440 clips on

00:49:22.800 Twitter.

00:49:23.420 And they

00:49:23.720 were beautiful

00:49:24.460 too.

00:49:25.300 Gosh.

00:49:25.960 Yeah.

00:49:26.580 Oh, I

00:49:27.360 like the

00:49:27.880 outfits.

00:49:28.860 God, yeah.

00:49:29.680 I like the

00:49:30.080 outfits.

00:49:30.160 Shoulder pads,

00:49:31.480 legs,

00:49:32.180 breasts,

00:49:33.000 knees,

00:49:33.560 everything,

00:49:34.120 head,

00:49:34.540 arms.

00:49:35.020 Oh, yeah.

00:49:35.640 God, that

00:49:36.120 shit was

00:49:36.420 nice.

00:49:37.700 Yeah, right

00:49:38.420 here.

00:49:39.920 And they

00:49:40.460 talk a lot

00:49:41.560 of trash.

00:49:42.100 They talk

00:49:42.540 a lot

00:49:42.880 of shit

00:49:43.280 right there.

00:49:44.900 They'd be

00:49:45.160 like, bitch,

00:49:45.560 I'm gonna

00:49:45.720 knock your

00:49:46.160 ovaries out.

00:49:48.820 Gangsta

00:49:49.220 shit like

00:49:49.760 that.

00:49:51.260 This is

00:49:51.840 dope.

00:49:52.120 I'm gonna

00:49:52.320 knock your

00:49:52.780 nipples off

00:49:53.440 that say

00:49:53.800 shit like

00:49:54.240 that.

00:49:56.180 I wonder

00:49:56.780 do they

00:49:57.140 still, they

00:49:57.480 don't have

00:49:57.800 this anymore,

00:49:58.300 huh?

00:49:58.700 I don't

00:49:58.920 know.

00:50:00.720 Have you

00:50:01.140 ever considered

00:50:01.560 investing in

00:50:02.380 a type of

00:50:03.040 athletic league?

00:50:04.400 Nah, nah.

00:50:05.820 No, I

00:50:07.800 will stick to

00:50:08.420 the things I

00:50:08.960 know and

00:50:09.600 that is

00:50:10.220 cigars.

00:50:11.780 Yeah.

00:50:12.780 Cigars and

00:50:13.340 kids.

00:50:13.880 Those are my

00:50:14.320 investments.

00:50:15.040 Okay.

00:50:15.940 Do you

00:50:16.480 think they

00:50:16.760 have one

00:50:17.300 last question

00:50:17.680 on gay

00:50:17.940 players?

00:50:18.180 You think

00:50:18.420 they got

00:50:18.940 enough?

00:50:19.880 Oh, Ocho,

00:50:20.500 tell me this.

00:50:20.880 Do you

00:50:21.000 think they

00:50:21.220 got enough

00:50:21.660 gay players

00:50:22.680 in the

00:50:24.260 NFL to

00:50:25.060 beat the

00:50:27.360 Jets?

00:50:31.500 Be real

00:50:32.100 with me, Ocho.

00:50:32.680 I have no

00:50:32.960 idea.

00:50:33.500 You would

00:50:33.700 have to go

00:50:33.980 by a

00:50:34.220 position.

00:50:35.100 Is there

00:50:35.540 one gay

00:50:37.220 player to

00:50:37.640 each position

00:50:38.220 that is one

00:50:38.860 of the best

00:50:39.280 in the game

00:50:39.780 at their

00:50:40.880 position?

00:50:42.880 But even

00:50:43.460 then, I'm

00:50:44.120 not sure.

00:50:44.940 The Jets

00:50:45.300 obviously

00:50:46.080 looked bad

00:50:46.580 last year.

00:50:47.580 Ain't no

00:50:47.940 telling how

00:50:49.820 they're going

00:50:50.080 to be this

00:50:50.400 year now

00:50:50.800 that they

00:50:51.080 have a

00:50:51.540 quarterback

00:50:51.840 in Justin

00:50:52.280 Fields.

00:50:53.200 So we'll

00:50:53.440 see what

00:50:53.640 happens.

00:50:54.380 That's a

00:50:54.640 good question.

00:50:55.460 I like that

00:50:56.320 hypothetical.

00:50:57.180 Thank you,

00:50:57.520 sir.

00:50:58.320 I would love

00:50:58.960 to see that.

00:50:59.680 And who

00:50:59.880 would I even

00:51:00.280 cheer for?

00:51:00.820 I would

00:51:01.100 cheer for the

00:51:01.460 gay team.

00:51:02.680 I probably

00:51:03.060 would, too.

00:51:03.520 Yeah, I'd

00:51:04.500 be out

00:51:04.700 there.

00:51:05.120 Shit, I

00:51:05.500 would coach

00:51:05.940 my water

00:51:06.460 boy.

00:51:07.780 I'd be out

00:51:08.400 there water

00:51:08.960 boy.

00:51:09.460 We got a

00:51:11.080 little bit of

00:51:11.840 zest sauce for

00:51:12.760 everybody in

00:51:13.380 the huddle.

00:51:15.640 How tough is

00:51:16.560 it for a

00:51:16.980 player if you're

00:51:17.400 going to a

00:51:17.700 new team?

00:51:18.420 If you know

00:51:19.220 that the

00:51:19.560 quarterback hasn't

00:51:20.300 had a ton of

00:51:20.780 success, is

00:51:22.020 that a tough

00:51:22.460 spot to be in?

00:51:23.280 How do you

00:51:23.660 manage your

00:51:24.120 expectations?

00:51:25.140 Like, you

00:51:26.080 know, you're

00:51:26.360 going to a

00:51:26.820 team where,

00:51:28.360 you know, maybe

00:51:29.300 you leave in a

00:51:29.880 team that had

00:51:30.320 like a Drew

00:51:30.800 Breeze or a

00:51:31.420 Tom Brady,

00:51:32.100 right?

00:51:32.680 And you

00:51:33.000 know the

00:51:33.520 balls are

00:51:33.940 coming, right?

00:51:34.460 You know

00:51:34.840 they're going

00:51:35.100 to be in a

00:51:35.440 vicinity where

00:51:35.900 you can catch

00:51:36.480 them, and

00:51:37.200 you know there's

00:51:37.880 going to be

00:51:38.200 30 passes a

00:51:39.160 game, and

00:51:39.900 then you get

00:51:40.840 into a spot

00:51:41.440 where you're

00:51:43.760 at a quarterback

00:51:44.300 that's going to

00:51:44.860 throw 22

00:51:45.540 passes a game,

00:51:46.680 and he's maybe

00:51:47.320 going to get

00:51:47.700 170 yards out

00:51:48.980 of him, 140

00:51:49.440 yards, you

00:51:50.100 know?

00:51:50.320 It all depends

00:51:50.960 on the

00:51:51.220 quarterback and

00:51:51.740 the offense you

00:51:52.200 go to, and

00:51:52.860 how much they're

00:51:53.420 going to use

00:51:53.780 you.

00:51:54.840 It's all on

00:51:55.320 how good you

00:51:56.240 are.

00:51:56.800 Obviously, if

00:51:57.260 you're going to

00:51:57.580 another team,

00:51:59.020 most of the

00:51:59.660 time, you're

00:52:00.460 not who you

00:52:00.880 thought you

00:52:01.220 were, most

00:52:02.980 of the time.

00:52:04.360 So you have

00:52:04.680 to think about

00:52:05.160 that.

00:52:05.460 If you weren't

00:52:05.800 regarded that

00:52:06.920 much that they

00:52:07.460 are keeping

00:52:07.860 you, you're

00:52:08.560 not who you

00:52:08.880 thought you

00:52:09.180 were.

00:52:09.440 Unless you're

00:52:10.140 on the back

00:52:10.520 end of your

00:52:10.780 career.

00:52:11.380 Normally, once

00:52:11.940 a player hits

00:52:12.520 year 10, they

00:52:14.040 move on from

00:52:14.640 you, regardless

00:52:15.160 of who you

00:52:15.560 are, no matter

00:52:16.040 how good you

00:52:16.680 are.

00:52:17.060 You know, Jerry

00:52:17.520 Rice, T.O.,

00:52:18.380 Randy Moss, at

00:52:19.300 some point, teams

00:52:20.340 even moved on

00:52:21.480 from them, and

00:52:22.100 we talk about

00:52:22.700 some of the

00:52:23.020 greats ever, but

00:52:24.420 when it happens

00:52:25.260 early, you know,

00:52:26.560 you're in year

00:52:26.960 three or year

00:52:27.500 four, it's

00:52:28.920 time to look

00:52:30.080 in the mirror

00:52:30.480 and say, how

00:52:31.720 can I make

00:52:32.360 myself more

00:52:33.580 valuable if

00:52:35.120 they were

00:52:35.320 willing to

00:52:35.620 move on from

00:52:36.100 me?

00:52:37.560 And what are

00:52:38.220 ways you think

00:52:38.740 that players can

00:52:39.320 do that?

00:52:39.840 Like, what can

00:52:40.340 you do to

00:52:40.780 make yourself

00:52:41.260 work on your

00:52:42.020 craft?

00:52:42.880 You got to

00:52:43.160 work on your

00:52:43.720 craft.

00:52:44.520 How, there

00:52:45.600 are players

00:52:45.940 coming in year

00:52:46.700 in, year

00:52:47.080 out, always, but

00:52:48.660 how can I

00:52:49.140 continue to make

00:52:50.100 sure my value

00:52:51.400 stays at a high

00:52:52.260 level to where

00:52:53.940 no matter who's

00:52:54.660 coming out, you

00:52:55.300 won't be able to

00:52:55.760 get this kind

00:52:56.520 of production.

00:52:57.500 from anyone

00:52:57.980 else.

00:52:59.340 And that's

00:53:00.040 the fight.

00:53:01.160 Every year, you

00:53:01.860 got somebody

00:53:02.280 coming behind

00:53:02.840 you.

00:53:04.240 Dads are

00:53:04.840 mysterious

00:53:05.400 creatures.

00:53:06.060 I think

00:53:06.360 that's undeniable.

00:53:08.280 One moment,

00:53:09.140 they're rewiring

00:53:10.000 the lawnmower

00:53:10.700 with duct tape

00:53:11.560 and old

00:53:12.100 shoelaces, and

00:53:13.640 the next, they're

00:53:14.260 trimming their

00:53:14.860 nose hairs with

00:53:16.000 a pocket knife in

00:53:17.040 the rearview

00:53:17.720 mirror.

00:53:18.360 Way to go,

00:53:19.020 dad.

00:53:20.100 They say they

00:53:20.840 don't want

00:53:21.160 anything, but

00:53:21.920 trust me, what

00:53:22.880 they need is a

00:53:24.120 grooming upgrade.

00:53:26.000 So this year,

00:53:26.800 instead of getting

00:53:27.420 your father a

00:53:28.220 world's best

00:53:29.020 dad mug, he's

00:53:30.920 just going to

00:53:31.240 use to collect

00:53:31.820 screws, step

00:53:33.420 it up with the

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00:53:46.500 grooming with the

00:53:47.420 beard hedger.

00:53:48.400 They have a

00:53:48.920 dual blade system

00:53:50.340 on the lawnmower

00:53:51.180 5.0 with

00:53:52.760 interchangeable foil

00:53:53.820 and trimmer

00:53:54.620 blades.

00:53:55.200 Keeps things

00:53:55.700 fresh and

00:53:56.300 smooth.

00:53:57.500 This Father's

00:53:58.520 Day, don't give

00:53:59.260 him another

00:53:59.680 fishing lure or

00:54:01.060 novelty hot

00:54:02.520 sauce.

00:54:04.220 Give dad the

00:54:05.300 gift of smooth

00:54:06.640 with the

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00:54:17.520 front porch.

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00:54:20.140 thank you and

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00:55:47.500 and now like he

00:55:48.160 is a little bit

00:55:48.680 more of like a

00:55:49.240 leadership role,

00:55:50.040 you know, lead by

00:55:50.920 example, show up

00:55:51.860 like J-MAT shows

00:55:52.880 up every day, you

00:55:53.720 know, great

00:55:54.440 attitude, great

00:55:55.120 energy.

00:55:55.660 But it's just

00:55:56.280 interesting to see

00:55:56.820 what happens to

00:55:57.380 guys as they get

00:55:58.100 later in their

00:55:58.520 career and how do

00:55:59.140 they still make

00:55:59.820 themselves valuable.

00:56:01.620 Yeah, in other

00:56:02.440 ways.

00:56:03.000 To a squad.

00:56:03.420 In other ways

00:56:03.860 outside of

00:56:04.480 production.

00:56:05.160 Yeah, and that's

00:56:06.200 you believe that?

00:56:06.740 Yeah, absolutely.

00:56:07.920 Absolutely.

00:56:08.580 Veteran leadership,

00:56:09.620 you know, around a

00:56:10.180 bunch of young

00:56:10.620 guys, someone that

00:56:11.760 conducts themselves

00:56:12.360 the right way in

00:56:12.880 the locker room.

00:56:13.900 A good locker room

00:56:14.560 presence can carry

00:56:16.060 you on an extra

00:56:16.900 two or three years

00:56:17.620 in the NFL.

00:56:18.280 So that's not a

00:56:18.860 myth.

00:56:19.320 Oh, no, absolutely.

00:56:21.040 Coaches like that.

00:56:22.180 Coaches like that.

00:56:22.800 A good guy, clean

00:56:23.700 guy, one that you

00:56:25.480 know not going to

00:56:25.920 have any problems.

00:56:26.900 He's going to show

00:56:27.620 the young dudes on

00:56:28.480 how to work, how

00:56:29.360 to work on your

00:56:29.880 craft and approach

00:56:30.900 and study, study

00:56:31.740 film and stuff

00:56:32.440 like that.

00:56:33.120 That's very

00:56:33.820 valuable outside of

00:56:35.400 production.

00:56:36.140 Amen.

00:56:37.640 Do you think, when

00:56:38.780 you look at your

00:56:39.240 career, do you

00:56:39.700 think you could

00:56:40.160 have operated

00:56:41.060 differently in some

00:56:42.140 years to have

00:56:43.320 gotten more out of

00:56:44.280 yourself, right?

00:56:44.760 We all look, you

00:56:45.520 know, because I'm

00:56:45.920 critical of myself,

00:56:46.820 right?

00:56:47.160 You know, I look

00:56:47.680 back and I want to

00:56:48.420 do the best I can,

00:56:50.120 even though I don't

00:56:50.620 know what it is

00:56:51.200 sometimes, but I

00:56:51.840 want to do my best.

00:56:52.940 And sometimes I'll

00:56:53.620 look at certain

00:56:54.160 interviews, like I

00:56:55.180 interviewed Mark

00:56:55.680 Zuckerberg a couple

00:56:56.480 weeks ago from the

00:56:58.640 Facebook guy, you

00:56:59.540 know?

00:56:59.700 Right, right, right,

00:57:00.020 right.

00:57:00.400 And I like, I

00:57:02.240 should have done, I

00:57:02.860 know I could have

00:57:03.400 done better.

00:57:03.960 I think I had

00:57:04.660 like a little bit

00:57:05.340 of a plan, but I

00:57:06.640 think I got nervous

00:57:07.520 and so when I look

00:57:08.300 back on that, I'm

00:57:09.000 like, man, I wish I

00:57:09.920 would have asked some

00:57:10.580 things that were more

00:57:11.180 important, right?

00:57:12.120 Things I really wanted

00:57:12.980 to ask, but I was

00:57:13.720 afraid to.

00:57:14.460 Right.

00:57:15.760 Do you look back in

00:57:16.820 certain years of your

00:57:17.440 career and you're like,

00:57:18.220 yeah, I could have

00:57:18.680 done some things

00:57:19.160 differently at this

00:57:19.840 time.

00:57:20.140 Either I was younger

00:57:20.900 or I was.

00:57:21.620 I mean, when I look

00:57:22.280 back at my career, I

00:57:23.280 would have done

00:57:23.580 everything I did plus

00:57:24.520 more because I had

00:57:25.880 some great ideas that

00:57:26.840 I didn't get a chance

00:57:28.560 to do, you know?

00:57:29.860 Like what do you mean

00:57:30.400 about that?

00:57:30.860 I mean, just the

00:57:31.380 fun, the fun.

00:57:34.040 I would have pushed

00:57:34.900 the envelope even more.

00:57:36.600 Really just having a

00:57:37.240 good time?

00:57:37.680 Having a good time

00:57:38.380 because listen, NFL is

00:57:39.520 not for long and I

00:57:40.520 had a short window to

00:57:42.000 maximize as much as I

00:57:43.400 could out of myself and

00:57:45.400 out of the NFL and I

00:57:47.020 did just that, which is

00:57:48.620 one of the reasons why

00:57:49.300 I'm still going to this

00:57:50.320 day, pushing forward.

00:57:51.540 But looking back,

00:57:52.300 you're like, man, if I

00:57:53.480 didn't know what I

00:57:54.040 know now, if I'd have

00:57:55.960 known then what I know

00:57:56.660 now, then I could have

00:57:57.460 done even more, right?

00:57:58.720 Yeah, most definitely.

00:57:59.940 But that...

00:58:00.260 Like, is that what you

00:58:00.840 mean or do you mean

00:58:01.740 like physically training

00:58:02.780 more?

00:58:03.240 No, no, no, no, no.

00:58:04.080 Just my approach to the

00:58:05.140 game in general, just

00:58:06.140 on-field stuff.

00:58:07.180 So what do you...

00:58:07.960 Why?

00:58:08.140 Do you feel like your

00:58:08.620 attitude was different

00:58:09.360 at certain years?

00:58:10.460 No, I was the same

00:58:11.280 always.

00:58:11.840 I was always authentic

00:58:12.700 myself.

00:58:13.300 What you see right now

00:58:14.320 off-camera or on-camera

00:58:15.800 is the same way I was

00:58:16.820 on-field.

00:58:17.340 Yeah.

00:58:17.880 You know, that wasn't

00:58:18.620 a character.

00:58:19.840 That was really me.

00:58:20.960 And I just chose not

00:58:22.240 to conform and not to

00:58:23.900 behave the way they

00:58:24.720 said I should.

00:58:25.660 Yeah.

00:58:26.000 The way I played in the

00:58:26.620 NFL, the same way I

00:58:27.500 played when I was in

00:58:28.020 high school.

00:58:28.820 It was the same way I

00:58:29.380 played when I was in

00:58:29.880 Pop Warner.

00:58:30.780 Just because you paid

00:58:31.740 me millions of dollars,

00:58:33.300 I'm not changing who I

00:58:34.320 am just for that.

00:58:35.260 Absolutely not.

00:58:36.420 Did you ever have

00:58:36.960 teams try to tell you

00:58:38.300 to pipe?

00:58:38.840 No, they loved it.

00:58:39.840 Never.

00:58:40.160 They loved it.

00:58:40.580 The referees loved it.

00:58:41.860 Opposing teams'

00:58:42.740 coaches loved it.

00:58:43.420 Opposing teams'

00:58:44.220 players loved it.

00:58:44.920 Everything I did.

00:58:46.260 I could see that

00:58:46.900 because there's kind

00:58:48.020 of a thing like even

00:58:48.900 if somebody's the enemy,

00:58:50.160 if they're an

00:58:50.580 enjoyable enemy,

00:58:52.260 dude, you're kind of

00:58:52.880 just thankful to have

00:58:54.220 somebody around that's

00:58:54.820 going to keep you

00:58:55.280 entertained, that's

00:58:56.500 going to keep things

00:58:57.120 fun.

00:58:57.520 Not only entertainment,

00:58:59.420 but what I brought to

00:59:00.820 the game and those I'm

00:59:02.200 playing against, it was

00:59:03.460 nothing but a

00:59:04.180 competitive nature.

00:59:05.920 Nothing I did was

00:59:06.640 malicious.

00:59:07.500 But you knew one thing,

00:59:08.720 if we're playing Ocho or

00:59:09.800 we're playing the

00:59:10.200 Bengals in general, I got

00:59:11.580 to come to play because

00:59:12.840 I'm going to challenge you

00:59:13.540 during the week through

00:59:14.220 the media.

00:59:15.260 I sent gifts to the

00:59:17.300 defenses we were playing,

00:59:18.320 to the secondaries, just

00:59:19.620 to make it fun.

00:59:20.860 What kind of stuff?

00:59:21.640 Like high heels or

00:59:22.380 something?

00:59:22.640 No, no.

00:59:23.060 Like I sent Pepto-Bismol

00:59:25.220 to the Browns.

00:59:25.960 I sent, oh, because

00:59:27.720 you're about to deal

00:59:28.240 with this shit, huh?

00:59:28.920 Yeah, I'm going to

00:59:29.940 make you sick to your

00:59:30.560 stomach.

00:59:31.940 I sent gifts to the

00:59:33.060 Falcons before, who

00:59:34.780 else?

00:59:35.000 The Steelers.

00:59:35.620 I sent them some, just

00:59:37.660 fun, man, just fun

00:59:39.240 stuff.

00:59:39.620 And they would always

00:59:40.300 get the packages

00:59:40.980 Saturday morning.

00:59:42.480 Look.

00:59:44.140 Oh, they're opening

00:59:45.200 their packages, bro.

00:59:47.840 Bro, you're like a

00:59:48.740 fucking dangerous

00:59:49.560 Santa.

00:59:49.960 I was going to make

00:59:51.940 them sick or they

00:59:52.960 were going to get

00:59:53.480 sick of covering me,

00:59:54.200 so here's some Pepto

00:59:55.020 ahead of time.

00:59:56.960 All fun.

00:59:58.540 All fun.

00:59:59.120 That's hilarious.

00:59:59.900 Do you think that kind

01:00:00.580 of stuff can really

01:00:01.220 affect the defense, you

01:00:02.260 think?

01:00:02.520 Just their mentality?

01:00:03.540 What do you think it

01:00:04.060 really does?

01:00:04.460 It messes them up

01:00:05.420 because if you go out

01:00:06.600 there and you're trying

01:00:07.200 to kill me, that lets

01:00:08.260 me know you're out of

01:00:08.900 control.

01:00:09.460 Oh.

01:00:10.420 You're out of control.

01:00:11.700 So I do stuff like

01:00:12.920 that.

01:00:13.280 I like to play mental

01:00:14.660 gymnastics.

01:00:15.480 Yeah.

01:00:16.400 If I can get you out

01:00:17.220 of your game, if I can

01:00:17.860 get you talking to me

01:00:18.640 in the middle of a game,

01:00:19.560 I got a little edge on

01:00:21.180 you.

01:00:21.640 A little edge on you.

01:00:22.980 I did that small edge.

01:00:24.200 If you're worried about

01:00:24.900 me personally, you're not

01:00:25.860 worried about me as a

01:00:26.740 player.

01:00:27.140 Bingo.

01:00:27.480 And you're not worried

01:00:28.000 about the game in general

01:00:29.660 as a whole itself.

01:00:30.860 Damn.

01:00:31.840 Dude, stuff like that is

01:00:33.000 so true.

01:00:33.860 It's like, because when you

01:00:35.580 say if you look back on a

01:00:36.660 moment in your life and

01:00:37.660 you're like, damn, I could

01:00:38.800 have been a little bit more

01:00:39.760 locked in or I let this get

01:00:41.100 me a little and it did

01:00:42.240 affect me.

01:00:42.880 And that happens.

01:00:44.060 Yeah.

01:00:44.340 So then if you think

01:00:45.480 ahead that way, you

01:00:46.900 think if I can cause that

01:00:48.160 to them and I know that

01:00:50.180 that outcome really occurs,

01:00:52.480 then me causing that is

01:00:54.540 worthwhile.

01:00:55.300 Yeah, absolutely.

01:00:56.500 That's so true.

01:00:57.420 The funny thing about it is

01:00:58.460 being out of control and

01:00:59.780 trying to hurt an

01:01:00.360 individual that you're

01:01:01.020 playing against, which is

01:01:01.920 what happened to me every

01:01:02.880 game.

01:01:03.360 I had no problem because I

01:01:05.020 enjoyed playing very calm

01:01:07.580 under chaos.

01:01:09.620 So you're going to be

01:01:10.320 chaotic.

01:01:11.140 Right.

01:01:11.220 I'm going to be nice and

01:01:12.000 relaxed and calm.

01:01:13.460 And you being angry, that

01:01:15.380 split second of anger, you're

01:01:17.460 going to miss.

01:01:18.620 You're going to whiff.

01:01:20.160 You know, the game of

01:01:21.620 football is a game of

01:01:22.320 inches.

01:01:22.920 Yeah.

01:01:23.220 And once I know I'm in

01:01:24.240 your head, I'm going to

01:01:25.380 always have that half inch

01:01:26.480 over you.

01:01:27.680 Every time.

01:01:29.780 Who hit you the hardest

01:01:30.980 when you were playing, do

01:01:31.640 you feel like?

01:01:31.960 Brian Russell.

01:01:32.960 Brian Russell.

01:01:33.720 Brian Russell.

01:01:34.520 Cleveland Browns.

01:01:35.720 Garbage time.

01:01:37.640 Carson threw a slant over

01:01:38.720 the middle.

01:01:39.340 And he got you.

01:01:39.620 Game is over.

01:01:40.160 There was no reason I was

01:01:41.020 supposed to be in the

01:01:41.480 game.

01:01:42.300 And I was I was knocked

01:01:43.440 out.

01:01:43.800 Watch this up top.

01:01:44.940 All the way up top.

01:01:48.140 Oh, God.

01:01:50.100 And that is the one hit.

01:01:51.360 The one hit I took and was

01:01:52.960 concussed.

01:01:53.420 And did he even call your

01:01:58.600 email?

01:01:59.600 No, he did nothing.

01:02:01.120 It was good.

01:02:01.800 I enjoyed it.

01:02:02.180 You see the scoreline,

01:02:02.980 huh?

01:02:03.520 Yeah.

01:02:04.000 3410.

01:02:04.480 Why am I?

01:02:05.140 Why am I even in the game?

01:02:07.280 And it's what?

01:02:07.940 A minute going o'clock.

01:02:09.460 But real talk, though, if

01:02:10.540 they had taken you out of

01:02:11.520 the game at this point,

01:02:12.260 would you have been upset?

01:02:13.160 Do you guys want to be in

01:02:13.780 there getting stats or what's

01:02:14.740 it really like?

01:02:15.700 You know, I don't know why

01:02:16.440 we were in a game at that

01:02:17.140 point.

01:02:17.520 I'm not sure.

01:02:18.340 That game was over.

01:02:19.520 Obviously, the Battle of

01:02:20.340 Ohio, one of the one of the

01:02:21.520 biggest games for us.

01:02:22.760 That's a good point.

01:02:23.360 People came.

01:02:23.980 Maybe they don't want to see

01:02:24.480 the stars the whole time.

01:02:25.520 Yeah.

01:02:25.760 So when you was there a

01:02:26.920 quarterback that you do

01:02:28.840 feel like you get the best

01:02:29.700 opportunity with your

01:02:30.420 quarterback?

01:02:30.820 Yeah.

01:02:31.240 Hell yeah.

01:02:31.880 Carson?

01:02:32.520 Yeah.

01:02:33.120 Absolutely.

01:02:33.800 I just don't know.

01:02:34.340 You don't know if people

01:02:34.920 are sitting there thinking

01:02:35.580 like whoever the

01:02:36.960 quarterback is didn't

01:02:37.580 matter.

01:02:38.420 You don't think so?

01:02:39.180 No, because I'm coming

01:02:40.240 in and my skill set was

01:02:42.220 at a point and how I

01:02:43.780 felt was I'm going to make

01:02:44.940 your job easy.

01:02:46.560 Bob Rakowski was the

01:02:47.640 call for the coordinator

01:02:48.300 when we played.

01:02:49.600 I'm making your job easy.

01:02:51.620 If you know you need to

01:02:53.200 play and you need to

01:02:54.060 catch or you need to

01:02:54.760 whatever it may be, you

01:02:56.200 know whose number to

01:02:56.800 call.

01:02:57.280 Oh, yeah.

01:02:57.860 That's my mindset.

01:02:59.080 Like, I don't need you to

01:03:00.260 be great throwing the

01:03:01.400 ball.

01:03:02.100 Just put it in the area.

01:03:03.160 Just anywhere in the

01:03:03.800 area.

01:03:04.280 I'll take it.

01:03:04.800 I'll take it to rest.

01:03:06.940 Was there.

01:03:07.780 Do you think players

01:03:08.540 sometimes like at the end

01:03:09.280 of games are like asking

01:03:10.480 coaches, hey, give me

01:03:12.300 trade for me or something

01:03:14.140 like that.

01:03:14.660 People secretly like it.

01:03:15.800 Yeah.

01:03:15.980 That happens all the time.

01:03:17.040 Yeah.

01:03:17.160 Now that happens all the

01:03:18.700 time.

01:03:19.260 No.

01:03:19.980 So people say it quick in

01:03:21.280 that quick little hug.

01:03:22.120 Hey, trade me.

01:03:23.320 Trade for me.

01:03:24.280 Yeah, absolutely.

01:03:25.100 Trade for me.

01:03:25.560 Trade for me.

01:03:26.620 Damn.

01:03:27.200 Because you wonder them

01:03:27.940 hugs are fast, but

01:03:28.860 sometimes you see their

01:03:29.440 mouth moving.

01:03:30.780 Yeah.

01:03:31.080 That's why you see

01:03:31.700 players always cover their

01:03:32.580 mouth.

01:03:33.200 Oh, yeah.

01:03:33.680 It's hard now because

01:03:34.400 everybody's mic'd up.

01:03:36.160 Oh, yeah.

01:03:36.740 Everybody's mic'd up.

01:03:37.540 So, yeah, that happens.

01:03:38.960 So that's a good one.

01:03:41.000 Do you feel like it's a.

01:03:42.120 I wish I had me a cigar.

01:03:45.860 I would try one, man.

01:03:47.520 I should have got one.

01:03:48.700 If I catch up with this

01:03:49.500 weekend, I'll get Elliot one.

01:03:51.100 You have your own brand?

01:03:52.580 Yeah.

01:03:52.780 85.

01:03:53.240 Remember?

01:03:54.900 Oh, yeah.

01:03:56.180 Yeah.

01:03:56.620 I don't.

01:03:57.080 Bring them up.

01:03:57.560 Let me get a look.

01:03:58.180 Let me get a gander at them

01:03:59.140 dogs right there.

01:04:01.020 And where do y'all get

01:04:01.980 that?

01:04:02.260 Where do y'all get the

01:04:05.080 Dominican Republic in the

01:04:08.420 DR.

01:04:08.980 Not lettuce.

01:04:09.860 What's it called?

01:04:10.680 Nicotine lettuce.

01:04:11.340 The leaf.

01:04:11.800 The leaf.

01:04:12.320 Tobacco.

01:04:12.880 Tobacco.

01:04:13.580 Yeah.

01:04:14.120 In DR.

01:04:14.620 Now we do mass production.

01:04:16.640 Y'all get down there in

01:04:17.320 Dominican Republic, huh?

01:04:18.720 Yeah.

01:04:18.940 Now we distribute from

01:04:20.320 Nicaragua now.

01:04:21.480 Really?

01:04:22.000 Yeah.

01:04:22.200 That's where my dad's from,

01:04:23.200 man.

01:04:23.300 For real?

01:04:24.100 That's dope.

01:04:25.560 That's dope.

01:04:26.320 That's crazy, bro.

01:04:28.440 Oh, yeah.

01:04:29.320 Wow.

01:04:29.700 What are the odds of that,

01:04:30.920 man?

01:04:31.760 Boa Vidas.

01:04:33.180 Mm-hmm.

01:04:33.980 The good life, baby.

01:04:37.360 Do you think,

01:04:38.880 is this a make or break

01:04:40.400 year for Joe Burrow?

01:04:41.080 Tell me what you think.

01:04:41.860 What do you think, Ocho?

01:04:42.660 No, not make or break.

01:04:43.920 Fuck, no.

01:04:44.800 You don't think so?

01:04:45.460 No, absolutely not.

01:04:46.460 Make or break what?

01:04:47.120 He ain't going nowhere.

01:04:47.960 I know.

01:04:48.620 He ain't going nowhere.

01:04:49.040 But in the perception of,

01:04:50.020 maybe in the perception of

01:04:50.960 fans, you think it's,

01:04:52.380 they got a great offense,

01:04:54.300 you know?

01:04:54.660 It's crazy offense.

01:04:55.900 I agree.

01:04:56.440 So at that point,

01:04:57.500 if you're going to give up

01:04:58.520 35 points,

01:04:59.260 you've got to be able to

01:04:59.900 score 40 points.

01:05:00.340 Bingo.

01:05:00.520 I'm glad you said that.

01:05:02.060 Now, what we do need to do

01:05:02.880 is we need to start fast.

01:05:04.400 We just start early,

01:05:05.600 you know,

01:05:05.940 in the beginning of the season.

01:05:07.080 You know,

01:05:07.280 losing to the Patriots

01:05:08.200 the way we did

01:05:09.640 in the beginning of the season.

01:05:10.300 It hurt us on the back end.

01:05:11.520 We need to start fast.

01:05:12.480 We don't have to rely on

01:05:13.280 other teams to lose

01:05:14.680 or win

01:05:15.440 for us to have

01:05:16.600 an opportunity

01:05:16.940 to get into the playoffs.

01:05:18.580 Nobody wants to see us

01:05:19.760 offensively

01:05:20.380 if we make it

01:05:21.500 into the playoffs.

01:05:22.400 Yeah.

01:05:22.500 Ravens,

01:05:23.860 very good.

01:05:25.300 Bills,

01:05:25.920 very good.

01:05:27.100 Chiefs,

01:05:27.440 very good.

01:05:27.960 And that will always be

01:05:29.120 the three or four teams

01:05:31.300 that are in the hunt

01:05:32.340 every season.

01:05:34.200 Who's the team

01:05:34.860 you think coming this year

01:05:35.580 might actually have a,

01:05:36.700 that's going to be

01:05:37.400 something different,

01:05:38.020 do you think?

01:05:38.760 Oh,

01:05:39.000 that's a good one.

01:05:40.380 That's a good one.

01:05:41.780 There's always

01:05:42.400 a surprise team

01:05:43.540 every year.

01:05:44.560 Because I'm a Saints guy.

01:05:45.580 The Saints started off

01:05:46.220 last year.

01:05:46.540 They had two big games

01:05:47.420 out of the gate.

01:05:47.880 They beat Dallas

01:05:48.900 about 30.

01:05:49.520 They scored over 40

01:05:50.420 the first two games.

01:05:51.100 And then it went bad.

01:05:52.100 I mean,

01:05:52.480 it went so sour.

01:05:54.000 So I have no idea.

01:05:55.300 And it's hard to tell.

01:05:56.860 You know,

01:05:57.040 you have some special players

01:05:58.360 that have gotten drafted.

01:05:59.800 So we're going to see

01:06:00.380 how they can impact

01:06:01.520 the game early

01:06:02.480 and impact that team

01:06:03.560 in general.

01:06:04.080 Oh,

01:06:04.340 yeah.

01:06:04.680 So I'm curious.

01:06:05.820 I'm excited to see,

01:06:06.660 you know,

01:06:06.980 what Travis Hunter

01:06:07.740 does in Jacksonville.

01:06:09.060 I'm excited to see

01:06:10.080 what Abdul Carter

01:06:11.080 does.

01:06:12.280 Jackson Dart,

01:06:13.840 who is over

01:06:15.220 in New York now.

01:06:16.880 He'll probably sit down

01:06:19.660 and Russell will be

01:06:20.720 at the helm.

01:06:21.400 That's going to be

01:06:21.700 a pressure-some market

01:06:22.580 over there.

01:06:22.980 But it'll be interesting

01:06:23.700 because Russell,

01:06:24.700 you don't really know

01:06:25.280 how it's going to go.

01:06:26.160 Yeah.

01:06:26.560 Yeah.

01:06:27.000 But listen,

01:06:27.480 they got Malik Nabors,

01:06:28.520 so they're going to be all right.

01:06:30.320 LSU got Washington

01:06:31.280 Commanders right there.

01:06:32.120 I'm excited for them, man.

01:06:33.780 They got to always be

01:06:34.960 in the hunt.

01:06:35.660 Every year.

01:06:36.540 Every football team

01:06:37.640 in NFL is a quarterback

01:06:38.820 away from being

01:06:40.080 in contention

01:06:40.660 year in and year out.

01:06:41.740 The Commanders have

01:06:42.400 their quarterback

01:06:42.800 for the next decade.

01:06:44.000 Why is it so hard

01:06:45.360 to have,

01:06:46.440 because you usually

01:06:46.820 have about six,

01:06:47.600 seven teams,

01:06:48.120 eight teams

01:06:48.500 that have good quarterbacks,

01:06:49.400 right?

01:06:49.560 The quarterback does well

01:06:50.360 that year.

01:06:50.820 Why is it so hard

01:06:52.120 to have that position

01:06:52.940 be good?

01:06:53.780 Well, it's hard

01:06:54.380 to find a quarterback

01:06:55.020 that's good.

01:06:55.720 But it's crazy.

01:06:56.300 There's a ton of,

01:06:56.920 it's like.

01:06:57.280 No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

01:06:58.240 no, no, no.

01:06:58.520 There's not a ton

01:06:59.080 of quarterbacks.

01:07:00.140 You have tier ones.

01:07:01.200 You know,

01:07:01.400 your tier one quarterbacks

01:07:02.700 are hard to come by.

01:07:03.380 Right, but you have a 200

01:07:03.820 NCAA team,

01:07:04.660 and you have a lot of guys

01:07:05.600 that can play quarterback.

01:07:06.520 They're not that good.

01:07:07.320 Right.

01:07:08.000 They're not that good.

01:07:08.740 There's a reason why.

01:07:10.240 You know,

01:07:10.520 your Patrick Mahomes,

01:07:11.500 your Joe Burrows,

01:07:12.100 Lamar Jackson,

01:07:12.960 your Josh Allens.

01:07:14.220 Oh, yeah.

01:07:16.580 Joe Burrow,

01:07:17.840 Jalen Hurts,

01:07:19.120 Jordan Love,

01:07:20.960 Justin Herbert,

01:07:21.860 and Trevor Lawrence

01:07:22.560 should be in that conversation.

01:07:24.540 CJ Stroud, maybe?

01:07:25.960 CJ Stroud.

01:07:26.720 You got guys

01:07:27.180 that are right there

01:07:27.700 in that second range.

01:07:29.180 Yeah.

01:07:29.540 Those are tier one quarterbacks

01:07:31.240 or should be

01:07:32.040 based on their talent,

01:07:34.040 but I don't know.

01:07:35.860 But then you get a guy

01:07:36.360 like Andy Dalton,

01:07:37.360 he's a game manager,

01:07:37.960 does a good job, right?

01:07:38.860 But never can kind of

01:07:39.820 get over that

01:07:40.580 past like nine and seven

01:07:41.840 or six and eight.

01:07:42.680 He never can really,

01:07:44.900 it just kind of

01:07:45.440 amazes me sometimes.

01:07:46.560 I'm like,

01:07:46.740 you'd think that they would

01:07:47.420 just try to put anybody

01:07:48.620 in there,

01:07:48.920 give them a shot.

01:07:49.580 Nah, it doesn't work that way.

01:07:50.820 You put anybody in there,

01:07:51.760 you'll be home.

01:07:52.600 You put anybody in there,

01:07:53.580 that's how coaches get fired.

01:07:54.880 Oh, yeah.

01:07:55.780 You're getting fired.

01:07:56.860 Do you ever think of coaching

01:07:57.720 and getting into it?

01:07:58.440 Absolutely not.

01:07:59.460 No?

01:07:59.960 No.

01:08:00.520 They don't pay enough.

01:08:01.760 And I make more now

01:08:02.620 doing what I'm doing.

01:08:03.900 I make more now

01:08:05.020 than when I was playing.

01:08:06.540 Damn.

01:08:07.600 So I'm good.

01:08:08.740 And that's such a blessing

01:08:10.040 because, dude,

01:08:10.640 a lot of guys,

01:08:11.580 their career,

01:08:13.000 it's hard enough

01:08:13.540 to get out of college

01:08:14.100 to get on an NFL team.

01:08:15.500 And then that is huge

01:08:16.540 for those guys

01:08:17.280 to get the bread

01:08:18.440 while you can get there.

01:08:19.360 But then to have a career

01:08:20.600 after that.

01:08:21.420 After that, yeah.

01:08:21.700 It's like I'm looking

01:08:22.260 at the Bustin' with the Boys guys

01:08:23.640 like Taylor LeJuan

01:08:25.140 and Will Compton.

01:08:25.580 Yeah, yeah, they're good.

01:08:26.200 They got in early.

01:08:27.660 They have a great space now.

01:08:29.600 Like there's so much,

01:08:30.480 like they have like

01:08:31.680 a real imprint

01:08:32.700 in society, you know?

01:08:35.140 Yeah, they do.

01:08:36.140 They're doing really well.

01:08:37.160 It's cool.

01:08:37.680 It's cool to see

01:08:38.120 what kind of stuff.

01:08:38.480 Pat McAfee did it.

01:08:39.500 Did it well with his as well.

01:08:41.040 Oh, dude.

01:08:41.680 Yeah, nobody's like him.

01:08:43.000 Oh, yeah.

01:08:43.440 There's nobody like him, man.

01:08:45.500 Yeah, I'm trying to think

01:08:46.160 of what else is going on, man.

01:08:47.960 That's interesting

01:08:48.600 to create a family

01:08:50.340 based on

01:08:51.300 I'm building for success, right?

01:08:53.640 Absolutely.

01:08:54.100 Is it hard to manage

01:08:55.000 that big of a family

01:08:55.660 with that many children?

01:08:56.460 What's that like, really?

01:08:57.420 I run a tight ship.

01:08:59.240 Everybody here,

01:08:59.820 I run a tight ship.

01:09:00.980 Those I have kids from,

01:09:02.220 we have the same end goal.

01:09:04.200 We got the same end goal

01:09:05.120 and those I have kids from,

01:09:06.520 awesome mothers.

01:09:07.740 Awesome mothers.

01:09:08.360 No issues, no nothing.

01:09:09.920 How do you pick a good mother then?

01:09:11.260 That's an important question, I think.

01:09:14.200 Because a lot of people,

01:09:15.220 they'll just, you know,

01:09:16.620 I don't ever do no ejaculation

01:09:18.520 inside of women in my life.

01:09:20.040 You know, you'll never know.

01:09:21.040 You know that?

01:09:22.060 What a good mother is.

01:09:23.620 But those I have kids.

01:09:24.540 Oh, you don't think you can tell?

01:09:25.840 Just get, like.

01:09:26.580 There's no way to tell.

01:09:27.240 How would you,

01:09:27.940 it's impossible.

01:09:29.060 Well, I'm just saying,

01:09:29.620 if you meet a lady

01:09:30.300 and they're a good lady.

01:09:31.620 I mean, being a good lady

01:09:32.520 doesn't mean you'll be a good mother.

01:09:34.520 You know?

01:09:35.100 And I only date women

01:09:36.200 that already have kids.

01:09:37.940 Hmm.

01:09:38.900 You can get a,

01:09:39.500 you can take that kid

01:09:40.400 off to the side and say,

01:09:41.260 hey, man,

01:09:42.280 what plays y'all calling around here?

01:09:43.640 It's just weird.

01:09:44.720 It's just weird.

01:09:45.220 What's the defense she's running?

01:09:46.200 Yeah.

01:09:46.300 You got to have two or more kids.

01:09:49.000 God, that's a thing.

01:09:50.360 Yeah, you got to.

01:09:51.720 Because, I mean, for me,

01:09:53.520 dating a woman with no kids,

01:09:55.220 they never have fucking food at home.

01:09:57.440 Yeah.

01:09:58.580 They always want to go out to eat.

01:10:00.740 Yeah.

01:10:01.580 Oh, yeah.

01:10:02.320 You know what it's like?

01:10:03.420 Now, Theo,

01:10:03.720 I don't know if you experienced this,

01:10:05.500 but you know what it's like

01:10:06.080 to have sex with someone

01:10:07.000 that has kids

01:10:07.680 and wake up at 3,

01:10:08.840 3.30 in the morning

01:10:09.520 and get a fucking Capri Sun?

01:10:11.080 Hmm.

01:10:12.440 That's good.

01:10:13.360 Oh, ho, bro.

01:10:14.480 That's fucking amazing.

01:10:15.380 Bro, I make,

01:10:15.920 with half a mouthful of Lunchable,

01:10:17.420 I'll make love all night.

01:10:18.340 Yes.

01:10:19.020 See, that's what I'm talking about.

01:10:20.000 That's who I am, boy.

01:10:21.880 With a jaw full of them little shakes,

01:10:24.000 little hands,

01:10:25.000 them ham.

01:10:25.680 That's important to me.

01:10:26.660 God, I love that.

01:10:27.500 Having snacks in the pantry.

01:10:28.760 That's good, dude.

01:10:29.720 Because you kind of get to be a kid

01:10:31.380 and a husband

01:10:32.760 at the same time in a way.

01:10:34.240 Yeah.

01:10:34.900 That's interesting.

01:10:36.400 Those are my rules.

01:10:37.780 Everyone, some people,

01:10:38.700 oh, she has kids.

01:10:39.680 I don't care.

01:10:40.880 Oh, and if you wake up

01:10:41.600 in the middle of the night,

01:10:42.300 you can play video games, too.

01:10:43.820 Oh, my God.

01:10:44.520 We on the same page.

01:10:46.320 That's what it's all about.

01:10:46.840 You wake the kid up.

01:10:47.220 I'll go in another room,

01:10:48.040 wake a little fucking,

01:10:49.020 little Randall up.

01:10:50.000 Hey, let's run Call of Duty real quick.

01:10:52.120 Yeah, Randall, get up.

01:10:52.840 Let's go do it.

01:10:53.500 Let's run duos.

01:10:54.120 I have school tomorrow.

01:10:55.260 You're about to get schooled right now,

01:10:56.920 motherfucker.

01:10:57.460 I love it.

01:10:58.040 Let's do it.

01:10:58.460 I love it.

01:10:58.820 Especially if she has older kids.

01:11:01.980 Yeah.

01:11:02.360 Oh, that's perfect.

01:11:03.680 Oh, that's perfect.

01:11:05.200 Dang, that's a great point.

01:11:06.920 Yeah.

01:11:07.300 I mean, that's just me.

01:11:08.240 Everyone else's thought processes

01:11:09.520 and thought process

01:11:10.680 and approach to dealing with women

01:11:12.120 isn't like mine.

01:11:13.180 Yeah.

01:11:13.760 That's fine.

01:11:14.740 Well, yeah, a lot of people,

01:11:15.580 yeah, they just,

01:11:16.220 but it's risky out there.

01:11:17.240 I think having some strategy

01:11:18.680 as to what you do

01:11:19.700 with your own seed

01:11:20.500 is important.

01:11:21.340 Very.

01:11:22.920 Did you,

01:11:23.640 you mentioned that your grandma,

01:11:24.740 your grandmother raised you?

01:11:26.100 Yeah, grandma.

01:11:26.480 What was your,

01:11:27.000 so did you,

01:11:28.060 did your grandma raise

01:11:28.800 your siblings, too,

01:11:29.540 or just you?

01:11:30.020 No, it was just me.

01:11:30.840 My brother was raised

01:11:31.760 with my mom.

01:11:32.640 Okay.

01:11:33.140 That's how I ended up in L.A.

01:11:34.280 My mom was in L.A.

01:11:35.240 at the time.

01:11:36.280 And so my grandma,

01:11:37.840 after I graduated high school,

01:11:39.020 I went to Langston University.

01:11:40.700 Langston?

01:11:41.160 Yeah, NAIA school

01:11:42.220 in Oklahoma.

01:11:43.520 Mm.

01:11:43.940 And I got thrown out

01:11:44.780 for fighting.

01:11:45.600 So I went back to Miami

01:11:46.540 after getting expelled

01:11:47.320 and my grandma was like,

01:11:48.640 listen,

01:11:48.920 I've done all I can with you.

01:11:50.080 I washed my hands

01:11:50.980 and that's how.

01:11:51.900 Damn, you was in a bad spot?

01:11:53.360 Yeah, that's how I ended up

01:11:54.280 in L.A.

01:11:54.680 at Santa Monica.

01:11:55.600 Why, was your attitude bad?

01:11:56.840 No, I just like to fight.

01:11:57.900 You like to fight?

01:11:58.700 Unfortunately.

01:11:59.600 Fist fighting?

01:12:00.380 Yeah, I like fist fighting.

01:12:01.720 Like, I'm going to beat

01:12:02.360 James Harrison ass.

01:12:03.640 You fighting him?

01:12:04.380 Yeah.

01:12:05.220 James Harrison from

01:12:06.180 Pittsburgh Steelers?

01:12:06.960 Yeah, I'm going to fuck him up.

01:12:07.760 Wow.

01:12:08.340 I thought he passed away, man.

01:12:09.860 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:12:11.120 God, I'm glad he's okay.

01:12:12.420 Yeah, he's alive and well.

01:12:14.500 Bring up a picture of him.

01:12:15.900 Well, not for long

01:12:16.720 once you get him up.

01:12:17.480 Yeah.

01:12:18.820 Listen.

01:12:19.100 Bring up a picture of him.

01:12:20.180 Doesn't he have a child named,

01:12:21.980 I thought he had a son

01:12:22.820 that played James Harrison.

01:12:24.380 Yeah, he's a coach, isn't he?

01:12:25.900 No, no, no, no.

01:12:27.040 He doesn't coach.

01:12:27.720 Oh, no, he ain't a coach.

01:12:28.720 God, he doing calendar work.

01:12:30.720 Yeah.

01:12:31.380 God damn, he doing,

01:12:32.380 he on fucking OnlyFans.

01:12:33.640 Look at this shit over there.

01:12:34.560 Yeah, that's Debo.

01:12:35.420 That's Debo.

01:12:36.020 God, he going near his cage.

01:12:37.940 Yeah.

01:12:38.400 God dang.

01:12:39.320 Yeah, he's huge.

01:12:41.160 He's a junkyard dog.

01:12:42.220 He looks intimidating, doesn't he?

01:12:43.880 Yes, he does.

01:12:44.660 Yeah, I don't give a fuck.

01:12:45.540 You really going to fight him?

01:12:46.580 Fuck him up.

01:12:47.920 God, I'll stand,

01:12:48.700 I'll coach you, bro.

01:12:49.680 Yeah, it's going to be a good one.

01:12:50.320 I'll do your water in the back.

01:12:51.620 I'll put ice on your neck.

01:12:52.820 Yeah, very good friend of mine,

01:12:53.940 but you know,

01:12:54.380 sometimes you got to come to the field.

01:12:56.060 Hey, look.

01:12:56.900 Sometimes you got to establish dominance

01:12:58.260 as a little man.

01:12:59.260 Sometimes it is what it is.

01:13:00.860 Remember the story?

01:13:02.180 And why are y'all fighting?

01:13:02.800 Y'all are upset with each other?

01:13:03.920 I just don't like his face.

01:13:04.960 It's punchable.

01:13:05.660 Oh, yeah, he does.

01:13:07.060 He has a punchable face.

01:13:08.180 Bring up another picture

01:13:08.880 of that punchable man.

01:13:10.380 God dang, bro.

01:13:12.440 Now, I wouldn't hit this guy.

01:13:13.580 Bring up the other picture.

01:13:14.440 Go back to the other one.

01:13:15.860 Yeah, not his guy.

01:13:17.560 Yeah.

01:13:18.700 Wow.

01:13:19.280 Yeah, he's huge, right?

01:13:20.220 And are y'all fighting just for fun?

01:13:21.840 No, MMA style.

01:13:22.880 Oh, y'all doing MMA?

01:13:23.920 Yeah, he can kick.

01:13:24.680 He can do whatever he wants.

01:13:25.660 Did you go to the fight?

01:13:26.340 Are you one of the fight

01:13:26.860 that's coming up here?

01:13:27.580 Or they just had one here?

01:13:28.640 Yeah, I think they did.

01:13:29.380 I wasn't here.

01:13:29.800 I was out of town working.

01:13:31.300 Do you like to go to him?

01:13:32.380 Yeah, I like it.

01:13:33.100 I'm a boxing fan more.

01:13:35.200 I can't believe we haven't

01:13:35.860 seen each other at once.

01:13:36.580 I like boxing better.

01:13:38.880 And who's this, James Harrison?

01:13:40.260 No, that's my crazy ass

01:13:41.360 in there, boxing.

01:13:42.340 Oh, that's you?

01:13:43.300 Yeah.

01:13:43.680 Oh, so you really like it, huh?

01:13:45.120 Yeah, I remember.

01:13:46.160 This was fun.

01:13:48.300 Who was this against?

01:13:50.900 Brian Maxwell.

01:13:52.020 He does,

01:13:52.980 Brian Maxwell does

01:13:54.060 bare knuckle boxing.

01:13:57.300 Yeah, good friend of mine.

01:13:58.100 I got...

01:14:00.220 Dang.

01:14:01.480 What's tough about boxing, man,

01:14:02.740 that people don't realize?

01:14:05.460 Conditioning.

01:14:07.140 Conditioning.

01:14:08.100 You've got to be well conditioned.

01:14:09.560 And for this,

01:14:10.100 I only had two weeks

01:14:10.940 to get ready.

01:14:12.160 And since then,

01:14:13.240 I think that was in 2021,

01:14:15.140 if I'm not mistaken.

01:14:16.520 And I've been training since.

01:14:19.800 Just having fun.

01:14:20.960 Could you fight a guy

01:14:21.640 like you couldn't fight

01:14:22.200 Jake Paul, though?

01:14:23.620 I think the weight class

01:14:24.740 is he's so much bigger.

01:14:26.080 Oh, he's heavy.

01:14:26.840 Yeah, he's heavy.

01:14:27.780 He's a heavy guy.

01:14:28.580 I'm only...

01:14:29.280 But maybe now,

01:14:30.440 I'm going to put on

01:14:30.920 a little size.

01:14:31.580 I'm about maybe 190.

01:14:32.740 Who's somebody

01:14:33.260 you would challenge

01:14:33.800 out there, then?

01:14:35.280 Who's like a real...

01:14:36.120 I'm trying to think

01:14:36.660 of somebody who is...

01:14:37.180 I just want to fight Debo.

01:14:39.180 I just want to fight James.

01:14:40.160 Well, he's willing

01:14:40.620 to do it, isn't he?

01:14:41.540 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:42.180 We're going to do it.

01:14:43.220 Who could I see

01:14:43.900 who would love to fight?

01:14:44.720 Then we're going to be

01:14:45.260 friends after.

01:14:46.460 Yeah.

01:14:46.920 Yeah.

01:14:47.840 Oh, yeah, dude.

01:14:48.660 I remember when I was in school,

01:14:50.260 you got in a fight.

01:14:51.100 The principal,

01:14:51.560 they made you stand

01:14:52.180 in a hall.

01:14:52.860 Right.

01:14:53.280 And you had to put your hands

01:14:54.560 on the shoulder

01:14:55.000 of the person you fought.

01:14:55.920 Right.

01:14:56.480 And so,

01:14:57.240 y'all had to be...

01:14:57.820 By the end of the day,

01:14:58.460 y'all were friends

01:14:58.920 because you were right here.

01:15:00.720 The whole time.

01:15:01.320 And the other kids

01:15:01.940 would get out of class

01:15:02.620 and have to walk by.

01:15:03.880 And so, by the end,

01:15:04.780 this person became your...

01:15:05.780 Yeah.

01:15:06.440 You had to get over

01:15:07.120 whatever it was

01:15:07.760 because you had to be

01:15:08.160 right there next to each other.

01:15:09.200 I like that.

01:15:09.920 What's a part that you miss

01:15:10.920 about playing?

01:15:11.420 I mean, I know it's

01:15:11.800 kind of a general question.

01:15:12.840 What's something you miss

01:15:13.660 about playing that people

01:15:14.360 wouldn't even think about?

01:15:15.860 For me, it was competing

01:15:17.320 in practice.

01:15:18.840 Even just in practice

01:15:19.680 was fun, huh?

01:15:20.240 I miss it.

01:15:20.940 I miss competing in practice.

01:15:21.800 That's what's difficult.

01:15:24.640 The games on Sunday,

01:15:25.560 that's fun.

01:15:26.320 That's the easy part.

01:15:27.780 Practice.

01:15:28.400 And competing.

01:15:29.520 Preparation.

01:15:30.080 I miss that.

01:15:30.680 I miss watching film.

01:15:32.540 I really do.

01:15:33.560 I miss watching film,

01:15:34.940 especially on defenses

01:15:36.200 and defensive backs

01:15:37.960 and knowing what they were

01:15:38.720 going to do

01:15:39.180 before it even happened.

01:15:40.500 I knew it was coming.

01:15:41.800 Whether it be down in distance,

01:15:43.120 first down,

01:15:43.620 second down,

01:15:44.120 third down,

01:15:45.100 all that shifting

01:15:45.900 in motion

01:15:46.580 that they like to do

01:15:47.240 playing around

01:15:47.800 in the secondary.

01:15:48.860 I know what you're doing

01:15:49.440 before you even do it.

01:15:51.080 And I miss that.

01:15:52.140 I miss being prepared.

01:15:53.900 So, the entertainment value

01:15:55.380 I bought,

01:15:55.900 oh yeah,

01:15:57.080 was only done

01:15:57.800 because I had studied

01:15:58.820 to a T.

01:15:59.760 I studied to a T.

01:16:01.200 You know,

01:16:01.400 it's not like I'm just

01:16:01.980 getting up out there.

01:16:02.340 So you weren't out there

01:16:02.780 just goofing around?

01:16:04.100 No.

01:16:05.140 It looks like it.

01:16:06.220 Right.

01:16:06.500 There's no way

01:16:07.240 to have that kind of success

01:16:08.580 without studying

01:16:10.480 without knowing what I'm doing

01:16:11.740 or knowing what you're doing

01:16:13.080 before I even go do it.

01:16:14.580 What do you think

01:16:15.140 the NFL could do differently

01:16:16.100 now to make it more exciting

01:16:17.180 or to make it a better product,

01:16:19.440 if anything?

01:16:20.120 I mean, listen,

01:16:20.740 it is the best product.

01:16:21.980 There's really nothing else.

01:16:23.380 Do you think so?

01:16:23.660 I think the NFL's

01:16:24.380 going down, man.

01:16:25.180 No.

01:16:25.820 I don't think it's not.

01:16:26.380 I think people like college better.

01:16:28.320 Hell, some people like

01:16:29.120 damn WNBA better.

01:16:30.380 I don't like that.

01:16:30.900 Absolutely not.

01:16:31.700 Some people do.

01:16:32.300 Some young men do.

01:16:33.340 Yeah.

01:16:33.880 A couple guys do.

01:16:35.040 Yeah.

01:16:35.380 The NFL will always be

01:16:36.720 the cream of the crop.

01:16:37.920 Do you think so?

01:16:38.720 Always.

01:16:39.560 I don't know.

01:16:39.880 There's something about it sometimes.

01:16:41.480 I don't know if

01:16:41.880 the field should be bigger.

01:16:44.880 I don't know what should happen.

01:16:46.060 Sometimes I feel like

01:16:46.920 the guys have almost

01:16:48.340 gotten too fast

01:16:49.400 where I feel like

01:16:50.300 sometimes with the running backs

01:16:51.320 is what I do feel like.

01:16:52.660 You don't get to see

01:16:53.480 enough good moves

01:16:54.340 because there's not enough

01:16:55.180 space for them to do them in

01:16:56.300 because everybody's

01:16:57.160 so fast now.

01:16:58.360 Yeah.

01:16:58.740 I don't know if that's true or not,

01:17:00.020 but I feel that way sometimes.

01:17:01.820 I don't know if you could have

01:17:02.580 a Barry Sanders now,

01:17:03.520 not because you couldn't

01:17:04.260 have the same guy.

01:17:04.820 No, you could.

01:17:05.660 You just will never have

01:17:06.500 another Barry Sanders.

01:17:07.200 That ain't happening.

01:17:08.500 That might be fair.

01:17:09.340 That is not happening.

01:17:10.880 Absolutely not.

01:17:12.040 That might be fair.

01:17:13.400 Not even close.

01:17:15.360 Yeah, it just looked like

01:17:16.180 the, you know,

01:17:17.320 like it used to be

01:17:17.980 once you got around

01:17:18.680 the defensive end

01:17:19.420 wasn't going to get out

01:17:20.120 there to get you.

01:17:20.880 Well, you know,

01:17:21.100 most of the time

01:17:21.660 players back then

01:17:22.420 were not as fast.

01:17:24.160 Now we have,

01:17:24.900 you know,

01:17:25.420 D linemen,

01:17:26.500 even D tackles

01:17:27.400 that run in four or five.

01:17:28.640 Right, but I'm saying

01:17:29.260 does that make it tougher

01:17:31.040 for somebody's backs

01:17:32.060 to get out of the backfield?

01:17:33.640 No, not at all.

01:17:34.520 You just have to be

01:17:35.100 that much better.

01:17:35.680 You know,

01:17:37.400 you got to be

01:17:37.880 that much better.

01:17:39.400 Yeah, I'm wondering

01:17:39.840 why sometimes it feels

01:17:41.180 like it's not the same

01:17:42.100 as it used to be.

01:17:42.980 It's amazing.

01:17:43.820 I'm not saying that.

01:17:44.340 I'm not saying that

01:17:44.820 the guys aren't

01:17:45.360 extremely talented there.

01:17:46.600 Right.

01:17:47.180 But sometimes I just

01:17:47.880 wonder as a fan.

01:17:48.660 Are you a WNBA fan?

01:17:51.600 Yeah, absolutely.

01:17:52.780 Me too.

01:17:52.860 I had an opportunity

01:17:53.940 to go to my first game

01:17:54.780 in Atlanta.

01:17:55.420 You did?

01:17:56.040 Yo, that shit was amazing

01:17:58.160 in Atlanta.

01:17:59.480 And the product in general,

01:18:00.580 I don't know all the gripes

01:18:01.520 that people have

01:18:02.040 about the WNBA.

01:18:03.120 Yeah.

01:18:03.480 Oh, that shit was amazing.

01:18:04.600 I know.

01:18:05.020 Oh my goodness.

01:18:06.220 I'm into it, man.

01:18:07.120 The atmosphere

01:18:07.200 from quarter one,

01:18:08.920 the halftime,

01:18:10.140 dude, it felt like

01:18:10.680 I was at the club.

01:18:11.460 And I don't even go

01:18:11.880 to the club.

01:18:12.680 And the first thing

01:18:13.420 I thought about was,

01:18:14.540 wait, is this what it's like

01:18:15.900 when it comes

01:18:17.240 to the nightlife?

01:18:18.500 I really enjoyed it.

01:18:19.560 I really enjoyed it.

01:18:20.320 Yeah.

01:18:20.600 It was nice.

01:18:20.920 Yeah, dude, I had a great time.

01:18:21.840 I went to Las Vegas

01:18:22.680 Aces game.

01:18:23.660 Aces game?

01:18:24.320 Yeah.

01:18:24.580 It was nice.

01:18:25.420 Well, it's so much fun.

01:18:26.440 I tell my friends

01:18:27.060 if they're in Vegas,

01:18:27.680 like, what show should I go see?

01:18:28.680 I say, if the Aces are playing,

01:18:29.680 go see it.

01:18:30.020 Go see them, yeah.

01:18:30.780 It's just such a,

01:18:33.140 yeah, there's like,

01:18:34.080 I don't know,

01:18:34.440 people love the game.

01:18:35.380 You could tell

01:18:35.780 they really are invested

01:18:36.840 into the game, right?

01:18:38.400 And this is when

01:18:38.880 they had Kate Martin.

01:18:40.160 They had the girl

01:18:41.380 who won MVP

01:18:42.020 three years in a row.

01:18:44.840 This one,

01:18:45.300 that Aja Wilson,

01:18:46.480 they still have Aja Wilson.

01:18:47.400 Yeah, Aja's still there.

01:18:48.060 Yeah.

01:18:48.680 Dude, it was unbelievable, bro.

01:18:50.040 I had a great time.

01:18:51.240 And we got to sit right, bro,

01:18:52.440 that we were playing

01:18:52.900 Dallas Mystic,

01:18:55.280 I think is their name.

01:18:56.760 Their coach was right there, dude.

01:18:58.420 I was chirping them

01:18:59.540 during the game.

01:19:00.080 It was ridiculous, dude.

01:19:01.680 Yeah, I love the WNBA, man.

01:19:03.920 I love the product.

01:19:04.820 Yeah, I love the product.

01:19:06.040 I would like to invest

01:19:07.100 in a WNBA team, man.

01:19:08.980 I think Miami needs a team.

01:19:10.740 I think Nashville needs a team.

01:19:12.400 Yeah, that'd be nice.

01:19:13.600 Because it kind of reminds me,

01:19:14.840 I feel like,

01:19:15.460 of what you might see

01:19:16.420 with the NBA

01:19:17.740 before everybody could dunk.

01:19:19.280 Mm-hmm.

01:19:20.180 Mm-hmm.

01:19:20.700 And I don't mean that

01:19:21.340 in any type of way

01:19:22.200 other than you have to rely

01:19:24.040 on good passing.

01:19:24.840 Like, there's a lot of stuff

01:19:25.540 you have to rely on

01:19:26.520 where the NBA

01:19:27.720 doesn't have to rely on it

01:19:28.640 as much anymore.

01:19:29.280 Right.

01:19:31.220 Do you think

01:19:31.800 you can still play or no?

01:19:33.380 Me?

01:19:33.880 Yeah.

01:19:34.480 Fuck no.

01:19:35.880 Come on, bro.

01:19:37.040 You can't talk yourself up

01:19:38.500 this whole time

01:19:39.240 and you can't even get back out there.

01:19:40.440 Obviously,

01:19:40.620 I got to be realistic as well.

01:19:42.220 The mind knows what to do.

01:19:43.840 The mind knows what to do

01:19:44.920 based on years of playing

01:19:46.540 and IQ,

01:19:48.120 on-field IQ.

01:19:49.120 Mm-hmm.

01:19:49.300 But the body won't react

01:19:50.380 the way I want it to.

01:19:51.660 Bro, you could play

01:19:52.220 for the Titans.

01:19:53.280 No.

01:19:54.200 No.

01:19:54.640 You guys got a good one

01:19:56.640 in Calvin Ridley.

01:19:58.020 Oh, no.

01:19:58.340 I know we have Calvin.

01:19:58.920 I mean,

01:19:59.100 Calvin Ridley is one of the best,

01:20:00.220 right?

01:20:00.360 I don't think Atlanta

01:20:00.820 should have let him go.

01:20:02.000 But we could use you

01:20:04.100 over there, man.

01:20:05.020 Yeah.

01:20:05.200 Even just for the,

01:20:06.160 where we would come

01:20:06.740 to watch you play, though.

01:20:07.940 Yeah.

01:20:08.100 Now, what about that element of it?

01:20:09.400 Has any team reached out

01:20:10.480 to you in later years?

01:20:11.840 Absolutely not.

01:20:12.760 No.

01:20:13.220 To say,

01:20:13.740 just to sell tickets.

01:20:14.920 Absolutely.

01:20:15.620 I can do that.

01:20:16.760 That's what I'm saying.

01:20:17.380 I can fill a stadium up.

01:20:18.560 Well, that's what I'm talking about.

01:20:19.660 Yeah, but not at this day and age.

01:20:21.040 No.

01:20:22.220 But people would love to watch it.

01:20:23.740 Back then, yes.

01:20:25.920 Yes.

01:20:26.500 People would love to watch it.

01:20:28.960 I'm trying to think

01:20:30.000 of something else

01:20:30.420 that we could talk about.

01:20:31.220 Anything you want to talk about?

01:20:33.680 It's on you.

01:20:34.980 Yeah, thanks.

01:20:36.080 It's on you.

01:20:37.080 Thanks, bro.

01:20:40.020 Is it tough, though?

01:20:41.160 Let me think about this.

01:20:42.620 Realistically,

01:20:43.060 when you have eight children,

01:20:44.380 you have eight children.

01:20:44.960 Yeah.

01:20:45.540 I want two more.

01:20:46.600 You do?

01:20:47.140 Yeah.

01:20:47.480 I'm probably going to do,

01:20:48.660 is it called IBF?

01:20:50.380 I want twins.

01:20:52.140 Ooh.

01:20:53.340 I want twins and I'm done.

01:20:55.060 Why?

01:20:55.380 You want twins

01:20:55.880 so you have to battle

01:20:56.660 two Johnsons on the field at once?

01:20:58.140 No, not really.

01:20:58.580 I just want to end

01:21:00.240 on even numbers.

01:21:02.300 Okay.

01:21:03.140 And end on a grand finale.

01:21:04.460 You got to end

01:21:04.780 with a big move.

01:21:05.620 There we go.

01:21:06.040 That two-point conversion.

01:21:07.680 I like that.

01:21:08.760 So we'll see what happens.

01:21:10.300 We'll see what happens.

01:21:11.800 Do you have to pick

01:21:12.940 your children's names

01:21:13.580 or your wife gets to pick them?

01:21:14.860 Yeah, whoever I'm dating,

01:21:16.140 the mother gets to pick them.

01:21:16.560 Yeah, they get to pick.

01:21:17.660 Really?

01:21:18.060 They get to pick every time?

01:21:19.020 Yeah, of course.

01:21:20.440 Is that a thing?

01:21:21.940 I don't know.

01:21:22.620 I just,

01:21:23.200 it's the way I operate.

01:21:24.200 I'm not worried about names.

01:21:25.500 Really?

01:21:26.080 Nah.

01:21:26.520 So the mother gets to pick

01:21:27.560 out every one of your children's names.

01:21:28.780 Mm-hmm.

01:21:29.160 Did you,

01:21:29.800 did she say,

01:21:30.480 hey, what do you think

01:21:30.980 about this name?

01:21:31.620 Yeah, always.

01:21:32.760 And would you sit on

01:21:33.340 and say yes or no?

01:21:34.020 I say whatever you want to do.

01:21:35.620 We're rocking with it.

01:21:37.180 Wow, bruh.

01:21:38.400 Yeah, my son.

01:21:38.980 My son graduates

01:21:39.660 from Arizona State.

01:21:41.580 He's a Sun Devil?

01:21:42.560 Yeah.

01:21:43.140 He plays football there.

01:21:44.680 No, he's done.

01:21:45.840 He's done.

01:21:46.200 He's done, yeah.

01:21:47.000 Is it tough for you

01:21:47.880 or if you have a child

01:21:48.740 and do they feel like

01:21:49.620 they have to live in your shoes?

01:21:50.840 No.

01:21:51.100 But how do you have

01:21:52.120 that conversation with them

01:21:53.080 as a parent?

01:21:54.060 You do as a parent,

01:21:55.400 even though I play football,

01:21:56.440 if you want to play,

01:21:57.120 that's on you.

01:21:57.800 If you don't want to play,

01:21:58.720 I'm supporting

01:21:59.140 whatever it is you want to do.

01:22:00.680 I'm not like,

01:22:01.320 I'm not one of those parents

01:22:02.400 that push and push,

01:22:03.400 you're going to do this.

01:22:04.060 No, absolutely not.

01:22:05.540 Whatever you dream

01:22:06.320 But do you feel like

01:22:06.380 the children feel

01:22:06.980 some type of pressure or no?

01:22:08.220 Just in their own space?

01:22:08.940 No, I would hope not

01:22:10.020 because the pressure

01:22:10.840 would be coming from me.

01:22:12.020 Yeah.

01:22:12.400 Fuck the outside noise.

01:22:14.440 It has nothing to do with anything.

01:22:15.880 Whatever you dream

01:22:16.720 and want to do,

01:22:17.820 I'm going to support it.

01:22:18.940 Which one of your children

01:22:19.540 is most like you,

01:22:20.520 do you think?

01:22:22.180 Probably my daughter

01:22:22.860 that runs track

01:22:23.560 at the University of Kentucky.

01:22:25.480 Is she like your mom too or no?

01:22:27.900 A little bit.

01:22:28.640 It's a little bit of both us.

01:22:29.920 A little bit of both us.

01:22:32.040 A little bit of both us.

01:22:33.260 Like what does she have?

01:22:34.040 Like what tendencies

01:22:34.600 does she have,

01:22:35.300 do you think?

01:22:37.440 That make her like you?

01:22:38.700 Athletic ability.

01:22:39.900 Okay.

01:22:40.400 Athleticism.

01:22:41.320 And all of them are athletic.

01:22:42.720 I think, honestly,

01:22:44.040 her sister

01:22:44.920 who didn't run track,

01:22:46.660 she's an AKA,

01:22:48.020 she goes to Prairie View A&M,

01:22:49.240 I think she,

01:22:50.620 if she chose to run track

01:22:52.160 or just be in athletics,

01:22:53.320 I think she would be faster.

01:22:55.820 But she doesn't want to do it.

01:22:56.920 So she's a diva.

01:22:58.480 She's a diva.

01:22:58.960 She's the Beyonce of the kids.

01:23:00.560 Oh, really?

01:23:01.400 Yeah, she's the diva.

01:23:02.620 Who was a bigger diva

01:23:03.740 do you think,

01:23:04.120 you or Terrell Owens do you think?

01:23:05.600 I don't think,

01:23:06.000 we're not even divas.

01:23:07.280 That's just a word.

01:23:08.060 I'm not sure why they use that word.

01:23:09.600 It just doesn't describe the divas.

01:23:10.340 Well, male divas then.

01:23:12.060 No.

01:23:13.980 Who's the better player?

01:23:15.080 T.O.

01:23:15.380 So one of your daughters

01:23:19.240 is maybe more athletic,

01:23:21.460 but she chooses not to do it.

01:23:22.740 Yeah.

01:23:23.140 What does she like to do?

01:23:24.560 She's a dancer.

01:23:25.580 Oh, really?

01:23:26.240 She's a dancer.

01:23:27.140 She's MUA.

01:23:29.080 She can dress her ass off.

01:23:32.680 Oh, so she's stylish.

01:23:33.980 Oh, my goodness.

01:23:34.960 Yes.

01:23:36.300 Oh, yeah.

01:23:36.700 That's my baby.

01:23:38.020 That's interesting.

01:23:39.040 That's my baby.

01:23:40.020 Yeah, I would like to have

01:23:40.740 maybe a stylish little child.

01:23:42.600 I have a daughter also

01:23:43.580 who's into tennis.

01:23:45.120 Mm-hmm.

01:23:46.080 Cheyenne.

01:23:46.900 I call her cha-cha.

01:23:48.780 So good.

01:23:50.420 Already.

01:23:51.820 Eight years old.

01:23:52.720 So good.

01:23:53.380 Forehand, forehand, backhand.

01:23:55.540 So good.

01:23:56.200 You don't understand.

01:23:57.260 We're going to have

01:23:57.940 this conversation again

01:23:58.960 of maybe five years from now

01:24:01.620 and it'll be like,

01:24:02.420 Theo, remember what I told you?

01:24:04.180 There she is right there on tour.

01:24:05.540 Love, love.

01:24:06.460 Wow.

01:24:06.780 Where does she play at?

01:24:07.600 She plays in Florida.

01:24:08.700 Yeah, she's in Florida.

01:24:09.480 She's in Florida.

01:24:10.200 I have a younger son.

01:24:12.060 Savion.

01:24:12.580 Football.

01:24:14.140 Crazy.

01:24:15.000 Here in Florida?

01:24:15.780 Crazy, yeah.

01:24:16.600 So your life must be pretty busy

01:24:17.820 with having to just be a dad all the time.

01:24:19.920 Yeah, it's easy.

01:24:21.140 It's easy.

01:24:21.680 I hear people complain.

01:24:23.620 It's easy.

01:24:25.580 It's easy.

01:24:26.260 What do you think

01:24:26.900 that people complain about

01:24:27.800 that makes it seem tougher to them?

01:24:29.140 Well, I don't know.

01:24:29.920 You do also have financial ability

01:24:31.480 to at least feed

01:24:32.880 and take care of rent,

01:24:34.420 that sort of thing.

01:24:35.020 I think that might make it

01:24:35.980 a little easier.

01:24:36.460 I bet it does, yeah.

01:24:37.060 From a financial standpoint,

01:24:38.380 it's easy,

01:24:38.900 but also being present

01:24:40.180 and being active

01:24:41.000 and being hands-on

01:24:41.980 as much as I can.

01:24:43.080 Yeah.

01:24:43.660 It's just,

01:24:44.120 I just like it.

01:24:45.380 Like, you know,

01:24:46.060 that feeling,

01:24:46.780 I get such a great feeling

01:24:47.780 when we go on trips.

01:24:48.680 You know,

01:24:48.900 every summer we take trips

01:24:49.940 as one huge group.

01:24:51.260 Really?

01:24:51.520 They're just mobbing,

01:24:52.360 mobbing through the airport

01:24:53.300 with like 10,

01:24:54.540 eight, nine kids.

01:24:55.400 Oh, that's...

01:24:55.860 All the women too?

01:24:56.800 The moms and the children?

01:24:57.620 No, no, no, no.

01:24:58.040 Oh, just the children?

01:24:58.720 Yeah, just,

01:24:59.240 yeah, I take everyone.

01:25:00.660 Dad and the kids

01:25:01.220 all going on a big trip.

01:25:02.460 I love that shit.

01:25:03.580 Where did you guys go somewhere fun

01:25:04.820 that you would recommend

01:25:05.900 to another big family to go?

01:25:07.700 Like, you got,

01:25:08.420 because they got a lot

01:25:09.020 of church families out there.

01:25:10.000 Mexico, DR.

01:25:13.020 This summer we're going to Dubai,

01:25:14.460 all of us.

01:25:16.060 It's just,

01:25:17.380 those trips, dude.

01:25:18.380 Just going to the mall

01:25:19.220 when it's time to go shopping,

01:25:20.300 just walking in,

01:25:21.700 like one big gang.

01:25:23.860 I love that.

01:25:25.240 It's interesting.

01:25:26.100 It's an interesting way

01:25:26.760 to think about your future

01:25:27.840 and how you're raising children.

01:25:29.320 But do you worry

01:25:29.960 that you can't give them enough,

01:25:31.340 each child,

01:25:31.980 like enough mental

01:25:32.920 and emotional connection

01:25:34.680 or you don't think about that as much?

01:25:36.200 Or you think it's okay?

01:25:37.280 No, they're good.

01:25:38.020 They're good?

01:25:38.620 They're good, yeah.

01:25:39.200 I have no idea, yeah.

01:25:40.740 I just think that you worry about that.

01:25:42.120 That's a lot of people's fear.

01:25:43.620 Because it's interesting

01:25:44.140 because I think people

01:25:44.800 used to have more children.

01:25:45.940 I think we're having less children now.

01:25:47.280 You see that?

01:25:47.780 They're just about to give people money

01:25:48.900 to have more children.

01:25:49.700 You seen that?

01:25:51.560 You know,

01:25:52.160 especially in this economy too,

01:25:53.420 I can understand why

01:25:54.360 some people are a little bit more cautious

01:25:56.080 on having kids.

01:25:58.320 Yeah.

01:25:59.940 Who was an overhyped cornerback

01:26:01.380 when you were playing, bro?

01:26:02.380 Overhyped?

01:26:02.740 Yeah.

01:26:03.060 I don't talk about people like that, dude.

01:26:04.880 But if you had to guess somebody,

01:26:05.980 if you had to...

01:26:06.520 No, I'm not doing that.

01:26:08.100 I don't talk about people.

01:26:08.940 So it's a negative.

01:26:10.040 Yeah, it's a negative.

01:26:11.120 Yeah, nobody's overhyped.

01:26:12.140 If you made it,

01:26:12.860 you're a one percenter,

01:26:14.320 you're there for a reason.

01:26:15.740 You're there for a reason.

01:26:18.400 Could you tell

01:26:19.380 if a guy wasn't going to be...

01:26:21.180 Like,

01:26:21.560 do you feel like

01:26:22.280 there's some days

01:26:23.260 when a player,

01:26:24.500 they could even be great,

01:26:25.940 and they go into a game

01:26:26.980 and it's just an off game?

01:26:28.200 Like, does that really happen?

01:26:29.320 Yeah.

01:26:29.640 You have off days.

01:26:30.480 Michael Jordan had off days.

01:26:32.020 I had off days.

01:26:33.260 Some of the best.

01:26:34.100 Brady, Mahomes.

01:26:35.540 You have off days.

01:26:37.140 But your good days

01:26:38.660 outweigh the bad ones.

01:26:41.020 Right.

01:26:41.460 The average of it.

01:26:42.740 Yeah.

01:26:44.460 That's a good one.

01:26:45.200 That was a good question.

01:26:46.280 It was?

01:26:46.820 That was a good one.

01:26:47.960 Well, because sometimes

01:26:48.720 it's like I got to do a show

01:26:49.780 or something,

01:26:50.280 and I'm like,

01:26:50.820 I don't feel like today's

01:26:52.100 just not my day,

01:26:53.060 but I still have to do it.

01:26:54.320 Right.

01:26:55.100 You just got to wonder

01:26:56.340 at that level

01:26:57.100 because it only comes down

01:26:58.720 to 16 Sundays.

01:27:00.320 Yeah.

01:27:00.700 And out of that 16,

01:27:02.180 you're going to have a bad one.

01:27:03.420 Yeah.

01:27:03.840 You want to be as consistent

01:27:06.060 as possible,

01:27:07.020 but being perfect,

01:27:08.920 you strive for perfection.

01:27:10.200 So even if you do fall short,

01:27:12.140 but you're going to have bad days.

01:27:13.540 Do you worry with a lot

01:27:14.740 of these young people

01:27:15.340 that now they have

01:27:15.840 all this max preps

01:27:16.740 and all this video footage

01:27:17.720 and stuff so early?

01:27:18.820 Do you think that

01:27:19.360 that's a positive or a negative?

01:27:20.840 How do you even look

01:27:21.540 at some of that?

01:27:21.980 Because you have a child now

01:27:23.460 who's nine years old

01:27:24.880 who's watching himself

01:27:26.580 either do well

01:27:28.120 or not do well

01:27:29.040 on a film,

01:27:30.340 you know?

01:27:30.920 Yeah.

01:27:31.260 Well,

01:27:31.500 that's a part of it.

01:27:32.480 That's a part of it.

01:27:33.120 You have to evolve

01:27:33.880 with the times.

01:27:34.540 The parents have to evolve

01:27:35.340 with the times

01:27:35.820 that we're in now,

01:27:36.560 understanding that we're

01:27:37.260 in a social media era

01:27:38.220 and everything is magnified

01:27:39.860 times 10.

01:27:41.680 Everything is magnified.

01:27:44.080 Yeah.

01:27:44.520 I just wonder like

01:27:45.400 if that's good

01:27:46.880 for a child's psyche or not.

01:27:48.460 Either way,

01:27:49.160 it's not going anywhere.

01:27:50.140 It's going to be here.

01:27:50.900 That's your point.

01:27:51.380 It's going to be here.

01:27:52.320 You can't romanticize the past

01:27:53.620 because that's not going

01:27:54.440 to come back.

01:27:55.040 Exactly.

01:27:55.700 So at that point at all,

01:27:57.560 it's on the parent

01:27:58.280 helping the child understand.

01:28:01.800 Water off a duck's back

01:28:02.820 no matter what it is.

01:28:04.060 Something goes bad

01:28:04.900 in one ear,

01:28:06.660 out the other.

01:28:07.920 Next play.

01:28:09.300 What about with the,

01:28:10.080 like NIL is real popular

01:28:12.840 right now.

01:28:13.340 Like you have players

01:28:14.000 who will have do,

01:28:15.100 you'll have players

01:28:15.620 that will do,

01:28:16.500 get an NIL deal.

01:28:17.540 Yeah.

01:28:17.740 And then there's like

01:28:18.560 a couple of windows

01:28:19.500 for the NIL.

01:28:20.760 Bring up how many windows

01:28:21.800 are there?

01:28:22.660 Because there's some

01:28:23.620 before the season even ends

01:28:25.040 or how many transfer portals

01:28:26.880 in the college season?

01:28:31.240 Typically two main

01:28:32.280 transfer portal windows.

01:28:33.520 Right.

01:28:33.980 A winter window

01:28:35.860 and a spring window.

01:28:36.680 So you can have a guy

01:28:37.400 come in during the winter window

01:28:38.360 and I think they've had this,

01:28:39.500 get a deal

01:28:40.060 and then he leaves

01:28:41.620 during the spring window

01:28:43.260 or he wants a better deal

01:28:44.880 but he just,

01:28:45.680 he hadn't even done anything yet.

01:28:46.860 Yeah, I mean,

01:28:47.360 that's the game it is now.

01:28:48.940 It's a pay to play.

01:28:50.400 Do you think that helps

01:28:51.360 college football though

01:28:52.120 over time?

01:28:52.720 Do you think it helps

01:28:53.360 keep players in college

01:28:54.340 for a longer amount of time?

01:28:55.380 I think the fact that

01:28:56.320 colleges in general

01:28:57.760 are billion dollar institutions

01:29:00.580 or entities in general

01:29:01.820 and have made so much money

01:29:03.740 off players likeness

01:29:04.900 for so long

01:29:06.260 and the players

01:29:06.720 really had nothing.

01:29:08.080 So I like the fact

01:29:09.020 that players are now able

01:29:09.960 to take advantage

01:29:10.940 of their likeness

01:29:12.060 and get paid early

01:29:13.680 because everybody's

01:29:14.600 not making it to the NFL.

01:29:15.880 Right.

01:29:16.320 Everybody's not going

01:29:16.900 to get there.

01:29:17.940 So them being able

01:29:18.840 to make some change,

01:29:20.900 make some cash now

01:29:21.720 while they're playing,

01:29:22.880 I'm all for it.

01:29:23.960 I'm all for it.

01:29:25.820 But do you think

01:29:26.640 there will be players

01:29:27.160 who don't make it

01:29:28.100 because they get money early

01:29:29.320 that it damages them?

01:29:30.340 No, absolutely.

01:29:30.720 You don't think so?

01:29:31.400 Well, it could.

01:29:33.420 You tell me.

01:29:33.860 But getting that kind

01:29:35.300 of money in college.

01:29:36.080 If a guy gets that money early

01:29:36.680 and he's spending it

01:29:37.900 in the club

01:29:38.460 or he's buying a wagon wheel

01:29:40.900 or a Jeep

01:29:41.520 Wrangler,

01:29:43.480 you're going to tell me

01:29:44.160 he's not going to want to...

01:29:46.000 Well, your end goal

01:29:47.200 is the NFL.

01:29:49.060 So you're saying...

01:29:49.760 Your end goal

01:29:50.120 is always the NFL.

01:29:51.440 Getting money in college

01:29:52.440 shouldn't change

01:29:54.040 your long-term vision

01:29:55.300 and your childhood dream

01:29:56.180 of making it to the...

01:29:56.940 But you don't think

01:29:57.640 that somebody could suffer?

01:29:59.260 Absolutely not.

01:29:59.900 If you gave me

01:30:00.480 that money early...

01:30:01.300 That little bit of money

01:30:02.040 is to help family.

01:30:04.180 That's to help family.

01:30:05.040 I don't know if these guys

01:30:05.540 are using it for that.

01:30:06.400 Some of them might be.

01:30:07.240 No, trust me.

01:30:07.700 They're using it for family

01:30:09.300 because you don't...

01:30:10.140 So based on where

01:30:11.180 some of these individuals

01:30:12.000 are coming from,

01:30:13.540 this is a huge jump start

01:30:16.140 to being able

01:30:17.300 to help their family.

01:30:18.160 But the end goal

01:30:18.820 of the real money

01:30:19.460 is in the NFL,

01:30:21.080 not NIL.

01:30:23.280 What's the most

01:30:23.900 somebody made in NIL

01:30:24.740 this past season?

01:30:25.660 Let's take a look at it.

01:30:26.420 Probably 4 million.

01:30:28.020 Maybe 5.

01:30:30.360 But you got people

01:30:31.280 doing dog food commercials

01:30:32.740 and shit in their small town

01:30:34.120 and stuff.

01:30:35.580 Hey, get it.

01:30:36.980 Get it while you can.

01:30:37.720 Getting 6 or 7 racks

01:30:39.020 out there.

01:30:39.680 4 years of college

01:30:40.880 right there.

01:30:42.140 What's the biggest NIL deal

01:30:43.260 in college football?

01:30:45.700 The highest NIL

01:30:46.920 in college football...

01:30:47.480 Oh, it's Arch Manning.

01:30:48.260 That's right.

01:30:48.540 6.7.

01:30:49.400 Yeah.

01:30:49.640 How many years

01:30:50.080 is that though?

01:30:51.940 You only got 3 more to go.

01:30:55.220 Is that 6.7 a year,

01:30:56.780 you think?

01:30:57.280 No, total.

01:30:58.280 That's total.

01:30:59.000 Yeah.

01:30:59.500 So that's different,

01:31:00.200 but that's better than like...

01:31:01.280 If that's a...

01:31:01.980 That's like a fifth round pick

01:31:03.280 or something.

01:31:03.620 You got to remember,

01:31:04.060 Arch comes from money anyway,

01:31:05.380 so that's not new to him.

01:31:07.040 Right.

01:31:07.240 It's probably not making

01:31:07.860 his biggest choice.

01:31:09.620 Yeah.

01:31:10.480 How often do you guys

01:31:11.400 tape your show?

01:31:14.280 Now it's based on

01:31:15.500 the NBA playoffs.

01:31:17.700 So we're off tonight.

01:31:18.980 So we just did...

01:31:20.020 We just did Thursday,

01:31:21.280 Wednesday,

01:31:22.420 and Tuesday.

01:31:23.280 We're off tomorrow.

01:31:25.060 No, we're off today.

01:31:25.900 We're on tomorrow,

01:31:26.680 Sunday, Monday,

01:31:27.980 and we're on Saturday,

01:31:31.120 Sunday, and...

01:31:31.900 Wait.

01:31:32.280 Yeah, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.

01:31:32.940 All the time, huh?

01:31:33.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:31:34.440 It's fun.

01:31:34.940 It's fun.

01:31:35.640 It's NBA games,

01:31:36.660 NBA playoffs,

01:31:37.380 and we always have

01:31:37.980 an NBA guest on,

01:31:39.120 so I'm enjoying that.

01:31:40.980 I'm enjoying that.

01:31:41.980 Did you think...

01:31:43.160 Do you think about other...

01:31:44.640 Like, is there another

01:31:45.320 venture you'd like to get in?

01:31:46.340 Do you feel like

01:31:46.640 you're in a good space?

01:31:47.360 It seems like you're

01:31:47.700 in a pretty good space.

01:31:48.080 Yeah, right now I'm good

01:31:48.940 because this is my off season.

01:31:50.440 You know, when football

01:31:50.920 season gets here,

01:31:51.680 I'm on NFL Films.

01:31:53.960 I'll be on ESPN this year

01:31:55.440 with Stephen A.,

01:31:56.840 so I'm good.

01:31:57.560 Oh, wow.

01:31:58.180 This is my off time.

01:31:59.180 What's he like, man?

01:32:00.040 Is he really like

01:32:00.760 he seems, Stephen A.?

01:32:01.960 Cool as hell.

01:32:03.400 Cool as hell.

01:32:04.440 Stephen A.

01:32:05.020 has afforded me opportunities

01:32:06.160 I couldn't have imagined.

01:32:09.260 Couldn't have imagined.

01:32:10.640 Yeah, so I like it,

01:32:12.540 especially being in a space,

01:32:13.680 being able to transition

01:32:14.660 into media.

01:32:15.840 Yeah.

01:32:16.300 It's been really good for me.

01:32:18.080 Oh, yeah.

01:32:19.420 Yeah, you got to have...

01:32:20.100 I think having that,

01:32:21.020 just being able

01:32:21.460 to have a voice, you know?

01:32:22.600 And you still have a voice

01:32:23.480 in the sport that you love.

01:32:24.740 Yeah.

01:32:24.920 You still have some sort

01:32:26.020 of a say

01:32:26.460 or at least an opinion

01:32:27.280 and stuff, you know?

01:32:28.120 Yeah, an opinion

01:32:29.660 that's respected,

01:32:30.620 especially when it comes

01:32:31.360 to football.

01:32:32.200 Yeah.

01:32:34.040 When you look back

01:32:34.760 on your experience

01:32:35.760 with the Bengals,

01:32:36.340 what is, like,

01:32:37.000 obviously, you know,

01:32:37.960 the play and everything

01:32:38.780 like that.

01:32:39.400 What was Cincinnati

01:32:40.140 like then?

01:32:40.800 What was the energy

01:32:41.500 like then?

01:32:42.160 It was good.

01:32:42.740 It was good,

01:32:43.200 especially that 2005 year,

01:32:44.880 which that was the year

01:32:46.540 we were on fire

01:32:47.740 offensively.

01:32:48.640 And obviously defense,

01:32:49.860 they were having

01:32:50.280 takeaways like crazy.

01:32:52.160 That was our year.

01:32:53.120 If Carson didn't go down

01:32:54.200 in that first round

01:32:54.920 of the playoffs

01:32:55.280 against the Steelers,

01:32:55.980 that was our year

01:32:57.040 to hoist a trophy.

01:32:59.260 That was that year.

01:33:00.300 Oh, my goodness.

01:33:01.040 The city was on fire.

01:33:03.640 I can just imagine now.

01:33:05.520 Hell, yeah.

01:33:05.980 With the,

01:33:06.880 every year,

01:33:08.040 every year now

01:33:09.600 with Joe Burrow there,

01:33:10.540 you know you have

01:33:11.220 an opportunity.

01:33:12.000 You got a chance.

01:33:13.040 Rudy Johnson

01:33:13.720 was a beast, remember?

01:33:14.640 Oh, yeah.

01:33:15.060 Rudy, Hoosh.

01:33:17.640 Those were some good dudes, man.

01:33:20.080 Matter of fact,

01:33:20.380 we have a group chat

01:33:21.660 with half of everybody in here.

01:33:23.640 Hoosh is in there.

01:33:24.360 I'm in there.

01:33:25.360 Rudy Johnson is in there.

01:33:26.780 We got Carson.

01:33:27.840 Justin Smith is in that group chat.

01:33:30.040 I haven't seen some of these names.

01:33:31.180 Delto O'Neal is in that

01:33:32.020 get in my head.

01:33:32.720 Oh, Brian Simmons

01:33:33.860 is in the group chat.

01:33:35.640 I haven't seen some of these names

01:33:36.720 in so long.

01:33:38.400 Oh, look at Odell Thurman.

01:33:40.500 Odell was really good.

01:33:42.980 It's wild.

01:33:43.740 Some guys,

01:33:44.380 it's like,

01:33:44.660 they'll have a great,

01:33:45.420 like Rudy Johnson

01:33:46.300 was huge for a few years.

01:33:47.420 He had a couple of great years.

01:33:48.500 Oh, yeah.

01:33:48.960 Oh, yeah.

01:33:49.260 And then you didn't hear about him.

01:33:50.760 Yeah, I don't know.

01:33:51.540 I can't remember

01:33:52.260 where Rudy went

01:33:52.860 after he left Cincinnati.

01:33:53.520 And it's not even a judgment

01:33:54.360 against him.

01:33:54.780 It's just like,

01:33:55.220 that's how it's like

01:33:56.280 things come and go fast

01:33:58.160 in the league, huh?

01:33:59.200 It does.

01:33:59.820 Listen, those years

01:34:00.600 go by real fast.

01:34:01.860 Very fast.

01:34:02.940 Damn.

01:34:05.180 11 and 5.

01:34:06.240 Yeah.

01:34:06.860 Damn.

01:34:07.480 Yeah, we were on fire, man.

01:34:09.080 Oof.

01:34:10.620 And who was y'all's backup?

01:34:11.600 Who came in as backup quarterback?

01:34:13.280 Yeah, who was our backup

01:34:14.120 that year?

01:34:14.560 Oh, John Kidna.

01:34:16.600 He now coaches

01:34:17.420 at Lakota East

01:34:18.480 or Lakota West High School

01:34:20.000 in Cincinnati.

01:34:22.020 Carson Palmer's now

01:34:22.900 coaching in L.A.

01:34:24.760 I don't know

01:34:25.520 what school he's coaching at.

01:34:26.820 And Kidna just,

01:34:27.460 y'all didn't break through

01:34:29.580 that second round?

01:34:30.980 No, no, no, man.

01:34:31.720 The Steelers won that game, man.

01:34:33.220 They won that game.

01:34:34.820 Oh, John.

01:34:35.840 That's my guy.

01:34:37.580 Damn, I'm trying to think

01:34:38.120 of anything else, man,

01:34:39.060 I could think about.

01:34:40.680 Do you love living

01:34:41.540 down here in Florida?

01:34:42.460 That's all I know.

01:34:43.600 Been all over the world, B.

01:34:45.300 I'd have been all over the world

01:34:46.320 and it's nothing like home.

01:34:47.620 No matter where I go

01:34:48.440 and I do all my traveling

01:34:49.480 strictly for soccer purposes,

01:34:51.400 I'm a huge soccer enthusiast.

01:34:54.280 Love soccer.

01:34:54.900 You think you could have played it

01:34:55.820 at a pro level?

01:34:56.500 I would have had to start

01:34:57.100 when I was four years old.

01:34:58.400 If I could have started

01:34:59.040 when I was four years old.

01:34:59.680 Is that intrinsic, huh?

01:35:00.860 Yes, I love it.

01:35:02.100 I love it.

01:35:02.680 I love the atmosphere,

01:35:03.620 the energy.

01:35:04.580 I don't think people understand

01:35:05.720 we don't look at soccer

01:35:06.960 as a sport.

01:35:09.100 Why are you like

01:35:09.720 all they're doing

01:35:10.160 is running around?

01:35:10.980 The score is only 1-0.

01:35:12.340 But you don't understand

01:35:13.100 how beautiful that game is.

01:35:15.060 It's like painting a picture.

01:35:16.420 And if you watch it

01:35:17.200 and understand what you're watching,

01:35:18.780 then you'll appreciate it more.

01:35:20.140 That's your favorite sport?

01:35:21.040 Oh my God.

01:35:22.180 Times 10, then football.

01:35:23.700 What's the best place

01:35:24.280 to see a soccer game

01:35:25.120 after anything?

01:35:25.920 For me?

01:35:26.380 Yeah.

01:35:26.900 Growing up,

01:35:28.340 I had the opportunity

01:35:30.580 to see a river game

01:35:33.220 versus Boca Juniors

01:35:34.740 in Argentina.

01:35:37.040 You'll never see

01:35:37.900 an atmosphere like that

01:35:38.700 ever again.

01:35:39.320 Dang.

01:35:40.520 And I don't think people,

01:35:41.420 it's kind of dangerous,

01:35:42.440 but still,

01:35:43.300 River Plate

01:35:43.820 and Boca Juniors,

01:35:45.240 obviously I've been,

01:35:45.880 I've seen every EPL team.

01:35:47.760 I've been to their stadium.

01:35:48.820 I've seen every La Liga team

01:35:50.360 play.

01:35:52.040 Albi, El Clasico,

01:35:53.400 Real Madrid and Barcelona

01:35:54.320 is always a good one.

01:35:55.480 So a lot,

01:35:56.000 so you've been to a lot

01:35:56.600 of these famous stadiums

01:35:58.020 and parks.

01:35:58.240 Every, yes,

01:35:59.540 every last one.

01:36:00.260 It was magical, huh?

01:36:00.960 I did the World Cup

01:36:01.700 with Qatar with Fox.

01:36:03.440 I was the analyst for,

01:36:04.680 Really?

01:36:05.220 Yeah, for Fox.

01:36:06.240 Damn, Jay,

01:36:07.100 you've done a lot

01:36:07.760 of amazing stuff.

01:36:09.000 I love, love soccer, man.

01:36:11.100 Like if you had to,

01:36:11.820 if you had to choose,

01:36:12.760 if I had to choose

01:36:13.640 between going to a soccer game

01:36:16.140 or just watching

01:36:16.920 and having sex,

01:36:18.840 I'm picking soccer every time.

01:36:20.760 Over sex?

01:36:21.620 Absolute fuck.

01:36:22.280 I don't care who it is.

01:36:23.620 Oh, yeah.

01:36:24.360 I don't care who it is.

01:36:25.380 Like that's how much

01:36:26.300 I love the game,

01:36:27.180 the beautiful game.

01:36:29.180 Yeah, I'm trying to think.

01:36:30.020 Let me think.

01:36:31.700 Oh, yeah,

01:36:32.200 I would probably go.

01:36:35.080 Yeah,

01:36:35.620 sex sometimes gets

01:36:36.460 a little bit boring

01:36:37.940 kind of, you think?

01:36:39.160 Eh, depends.

01:36:40.900 Yeah, maybe not boring.

01:36:41.780 That's not the best word.

01:36:42.840 I mean, listen,

01:36:43.560 I did amateur porn

01:36:44.680 growing up,

01:36:45.220 so for me it's.

01:36:46.840 You did amateur?

01:36:47.640 Yeah, amateur porn, yeah.

01:36:48.920 Yeah, it just,

01:36:49.520 the only difference is

01:36:50.240 I didn't get paid for it.

01:36:51.280 Yeah?

01:36:51.640 Yeah, that's why

01:36:52.140 I was an amateur.

01:36:53.240 And so were you,

01:36:54.440 and were people doing,

01:36:55.780 were people filming it?

01:36:56.680 Yeah, I had a tripod

01:36:57.460 camera set up.

01:36:58.240 Oh, okay.

01:36:58.620 Yeah, the tripod, yeah.

01:36:59.680 You're pulling all,

01:37:00.180 every bit of this.

01:37:01.020 Yeah, so.

01:37:02.700 Those tapes still out there,

01:37:03.840 you think?

01:37:04.680 They did.

01:37:05.380 It earned me some good money.

01:37:06.900 Oh, you had a tape out there?

01:37:08.400 No, I had a tripod

01:37:09.660 and I just sold it myself.

01:37:10.920 Oh, bet, yeah.

01:37:11.800 Yeah.

01:37:11.980 God, I don't know.

01:37:14.200 I hope there's nothing

01:37:15.320 out there in me.

01:37:16.280 No, yeah.

01:37:17.300 Right now,

01:37:18.020 probably back then,

01:37:19.380 I don't even think

01:37:19.980 they sell the camcorders

01:37:21.860 back then

01:37:23.420 for someone to be able

01:37:24.800 to blackmail me

01:37:25.860 at this point.

01:37:26.460 Yeah.

01:37:27.080 They might have some drawings

01:37:28.040 of me having sex, though.

01:37:29.200 There we go.

01:37:30.200 Are you married?

01:37:31.260 Some clay figures.

01:37:32.000 No, I got to get married, man.

01:37:33.460 Do you have a girlfriend?

01:37:34.560 Not right now.

01:37:35.380 No?

01:37:36.080 I'm going to get one, though.

01:37:36.780 How do you navigate that?

01:37:38.680 I'll just be careful, like,

01:37:40.640 uh.

01:37:41.560 Are you cautious

01:37:42.560 on who you're dealing with

01:37:43.500 based on now being

01:37:45.440 the guy?

01:37:45.720 Yeah, I'm pretty cautious.

01:37:46.660 Okay.

01:37:47.340 Yeah, because things happen.

01:37:48.400 I mean, even with your co-hosts,

01:37:49.860 it gets, you know,

01:37:51.440 like, there's just,

01:37:53.020 I think there's more opportunities,

01:37:54.600 maybe.

01:37:54.820 I don't know.

01:37:55.620 Everything's weird now.

01:37:56.740 Yeah.

01:37:56.900 I feel like,

01:37:57.740 it feels, just feels,

01:37:59.240 things feel kind of scary

01:38:00.640 and you don't know

01:38:02.540 even if you're doing,

01:38:03.800 if you're doing the right things

01:38:05.620 that somebody could

01:38:07.240 take advantage of you.

01:38:10.180 Yep, they can.

01:38:10.980 And then at the same time,

01:38:12.520 you can,

01:38:12.960 I have a lot of friends

01:38:13.720 that are sex addicts

01:38:14.560 that get caught up

01:38:15.380 just in sex.

01:38:16.820 Right.

01:38:17.060 In that world

01:38:17.460 and it becomes

01:38:17.940 like an addiction to them.

01:38:19.460 Yeah.

01:38:19.920 At times, it can be.

01:38:21.140 A lot of people,

01:38:21.940 I hate when people call

01:38:22.840 sex an addiction.

01:38:24.080 Really?

01:38:24.240 I really don't like that

01:38:24.960 because we,

01:38:25.820 we're mammals.

01:38:26.960 We're put on hearth

01:38:28.020 in general to,

01:38:29.260 to have sex.

01:38:30.220 Oh, yeah.

01:38:30.900 To procreate in general.

01:38:32.160 We pump.

01:38:32.560 And so I just,

01:38:33.380 I hate the fact that

01:38:34.140 we have all these definitions,

01:38:35.220 oh, he's an addict.

01:38:36.420 No, you're not.

01:38:37.840 It's sex.

01:38:38.580 It's something that we

01:38:39.440 as humans actually do.

01:38:41.400 Some do it more than others.

01:38:42.740 Yeah.

01:38:42.860 That just,

01:38:43.380 you know,

01:38:43.620 it's cool.

01:38:44.400 Yeah, some people enjoy

01:38:45.300 doing it a ton.

01:38:46.200 Some people don't enjoy

01:38:47.020 doing it as much.

01:38:47.700 And some enjoy doing it

01:38:48.880 with multiple people.

01:38:50.160 Yeah.

01:38:50.540 And just,

01:38:51.120 it is.

01:38:51.500 You ever been to a swingers club?

01:38:53.000 I've never been.

01:38:53.720 No?

01:38:53.900 You've been?

01:38:54.720 I mean, yeah,

01:38:55.320 I used to work at one.

01:38:56.620 Oh, you did?

01:38:56.960 Yeah.

01:38:57.220 I used to be a gigolo

01:38:57.980 for rich, wealthy women.

01:39:01.780 Really?

01:39:02.260 Tommy Lee was a gigolo.

01:39:03.580 He was?

01:39:04.100 Yeah.

01:39:04.440 Tommy Lee from Motley Crue.

01:39:05.840 Yeah, Motley Crue?

01:39:06.420 Yeah.

01:39:06.820 That's dope.

01:39:07.520 I mean, this is a gigolo.

01:39:08.400 So were you getting hired

01:39:09.280 to get out there

01:39:09.960 and take these women out on dates?

01:39:11.560 Yeah, get on dates.

01:39:12.500 And, you know,

01:39:12.980 obviously they had

01:39:13.600 billionaire husbands,

01:39:14.680 billionaire boyfriends

01:39:15.480 that didn't have the time for them.

01:39:17.020 And they would,

01:39:17.700 I would just fill that void

01:39:19.040 that they weren't getting at home

01:39:20.420 because of them being busy.

01:39:22.600 So the husband's just so busy,

01:39:23.840 I'm just going to,

01:39:24.320 I'm going to treat my wife

01:39:25.320 to a date,

01:39:25.840 at least she can go do something nice.

01:39:27.160 Well, the husband didn't know.

01:39:27.980 Oh, secret.

01:39:28.180 Yeah, it was an ad.

01:39:29.120 It was an ad.

01:39:29.900 It was an ad in a paper.

01:39:30.800 You put your own ad out?

01:39:31.680 Yeah, I put my own ad out.

01:39:32.560 And what would the ad say,

01:39:33.960 ballpark?

01:39:34.620 Do you feel like?

01:39:35.240 Based on the information

01:39:36.740 that what they were looking for,

01:39:38.240 I had a menu

01:39:39.280 of services that I provided.

01:39:42.200 And was someone sexual or not?

01:39:44.260 Yeah, someone was sexual.

01:39:45.440 Someone would just be spending time,

01:39:46.920 you know, dates, movies,

01:39:48.840 conversation, massage,

01:39:50.940 stuff like that.

01:39:51.880 And most of the time,

01:39:52.820 it was more about sex.

01:39:53.760 And, you know,

01:39:56.240 fulfilling that fantasy

01:39:57.240 of being with a black guy.

01:39:59.480 Oh, really?

01:40:00.480 Yes.

01:40:00.800 That's a marketable fantasy, huh?

01:40:02.140 Of Mandingo descent.

01:40:03.980 Oh, damn.

01:40:04.720 Yeah.

01:40:05.160 And how do you know

01:40:05.820 if someone's Mandingo or not?

01:40:07.420 Well, anything.

01:40:08.320 What region is that?

01:40:10.160 The lower region.

01:40:11.880 Bring it up.

01:40:15.040 Where have I been?

01:40:15.800 I've been to Tanzania.

01:40:16.880 Mandingo.

01:40:20.220 Mandingo.

01:40:22.940 On a map.

01:40:23.920 Yeah, there we go.

01:40:24.720 Okay.

01:40:25.200 West Africa.

01:40:27.080 So, if they want to see that West,

01:40:28.600 if they want that West African energy, huh?

01:40:30.440 Yeah.

01:40:31.180 It's more of a term

01:40:33.580 in referencing the private area.

01:40:38.100 Mandingo.

01:40:38.500 Oh, it's a wiener term?

01:40:41.160 Yeah.

01:40:41.500 Oh, dang.

01:40:42.320 I didn't know it.

01:40:42.840 I've heard it.

01:40:43.640 Right, right.

01:40:44.500 Mandingo guy or whatever.

01:40:45.680 Yeah.

01:40:46.340 Okay, so you had women

01:40:47.460 trying to just be with a black man?

01:40:48.980 Yeah, they just wanted

01:40:49.680 to fulfill that fantasy.

01:40:50.660 And were they paying a decent amount for you?

01:40:53.260 Yeah, I mean, for an hour,

01:40:54.080 I could make anywhere

01:40:55.060 from $3,500 to $5,000.

01:40:56.840 My goodness.

01:40:57.920 Yeah.

01:40:58.660 God, would you wear your jersey or not?

01:41:00.580 No, this is before I hadn't even made it yet.

01:41:03.320 Oh, wow.

01:41:03.960 Yeah, because at that point,

01:41:04.800 I wouldn't need the money

01:41:05.460 if I'm already in the league.

01:41:06.380 Oh, yeah, bet.

01:41:06.940 So, that's way, you know,

01:41:09.120 in college.

01:41:10.100 You know, I used to strip, too.

01:41:11.380 Did you really?

01:41:12.080 In LA, at the right track.

01:41:13.800 Damn.

01:41:14.120 Yeah, I was a dancer.

01:41:15.000 They used to call me Twix.

01:41:16.780 Really?

01:41:17.200 Why?

01:41:17.540 Because I was skinny

01:41:18.140 and had a lot of veins.

01:41:19.880 Oh, yeah.

01:41:20.640 I like the Twix, yeah.

01:41:22.100 Dang, man.

01:41:22.660 Was that a fun sport?

01:41:23.660 It was fun.

01:41:24.260 It was fun.

01:41:24.840 It was fun.

01:41:25.400 Would you do the splits

01:41:26.400 as well out there?

01:41:27.180 No, I didn't do the splits.

01:41:28.340 I didn't do the splits.

01:41:29.320 But what I did come to learn

01:41:31.700 is the women of 200 plus pounds or more,

01:41:37.300 they tip much better than everyone else.

01:41:39.240 Oh, yeah.

01:41:39.940 Yeah, they did.

01:41:40.980 Did they?

01:41:41.500 Because they want to.

01:41:41.900 Oh, yeah, they tip well.

01:41:43.180 And would you ever get hired

01:41:44.960 by those women for sexual?

01:41:46.720 At times.

01:41:47.320 At times, yeah.

01:41:47.820 At times, yeah.

01:41:48.640 And is it more challenging?

01:41:49.920 I feel like,

01:41:51.800 do you have to do more

01:41:52.960 for more of a Rubenesque woman?

01:41:54.800 I've been with some probably medium-sized girls.

01:41:56.860 Right, right.

01:41:57.200 I've never been with like a real,

01:41:59.460 more of a larger,

01:42:00.740 bigger, larger maybe.

01:42:01.960 Yeah.

01:42:02.600 You know, like,

01:42:03.160 I've never been with like a big X,

01:42:04.800 the plug type woman.

01:42:05.700 200 plus, I love.

01:42:07.180 I love.

01:42:07.760 Yeah.

01:42:08.120 I love that.

01:42:09.200 God.

01:42:09.640 I just do.

01:42:10.320 I just,

01:42:10.740 Theo, I got so many good stories,

01:42:12.900 man, from back then.

01:42:13.700 It's just,

01:42:15.040 we'd be here all day.

01:42:16.500 And would you,

01:42:17.000 but would you guys ever go to like a drive-in movie

01:42:20.240 or what would y'all do to you?

01:42:21.180 Holy shit.

01:42:22.040 Speaking of drive-in,

01:42:23.040 I haven't been to a drive-in in years.

01:42:24.960 Yeah.

01:42:25.120 I don't even,

01:42:25.440 do they still have drive-in theaters?

01:42:27.020 I don't know.

01:42:27.340 Especially here in Florida.

01:42:28.160 That would be a great date.

01:42:30.440 I'm so glad you brought that up.

01:42:32.340 Yeah, I would love to get to a drive-in

01:42:34.240 out there with a lady.

01:42:35.660 Yeah, that'd be dope.

01:42:36.640 So, was it ever scary

01:42:39.180 going over to a woman's house though?

01:42:40.780 Absolutely not.

01:42:41.680 No, because I already know.

01:42:42.820 I, yeah, no.

01:42:43.500 I'm nothing to be scared of.

01:42:45.680 Nothing to be scared of.

01:42:46.580 I'm just,

01:42:46.840 I'm going to perform,

01:42:47.760 to put on a show.

01:42:49.160 And was there a certain amount of time

01:42:50.480 you had to do sex for?

01:42:51.580 You could just,

01:42:53.180 was it like part-time or full-time kind of?

01:42:55.520 Well, it depends on what she picks from.

01:42:56.980 Yeah.

01:42:57.580 Yeah, depending on how much,

01:42:58.700 depending on what you got.

01:42:59.440 You can pay cash or check?

01:43:00.360 No, I don't do checks.

01:43:02.000 Cash.

01:43:02.460 Cash up front.

01:43:03.500 Damn, bro.

01:43:04.220 Yeah.

01:43:05.060 So you've always been entrepreneurial,

01:43:06.220 huh?

01:43:06.640 Yeah, most definitely.

01:43:07.840 You got to start somewhere.

01:43:09.200 And would you wear a special suit

01:43:10.840 or a bandana or anything?

01:43:12.120 No, no.

01:43:13.680 Just, just banana hammock.

01:43:15.120 Just casual attire, huh?

01:43:16.700 Oh, yeah.

01:43:17.460 Yeah.

01:43:17.980 Would you lotion up that wiener

01:43:19.740 or whatever before you go?

01:43:20.280 Yeah, lotion up everywhere.

01:43:21.320 Yeah, yeah.

01:43:22.020 Oiled up.

01:43:22.840 Yeah.

01:43:23.060 Especially when I come on stage.

01:43:24.300 Yeah.

01:43:24.800 Oh, yeah.

01:43:25.580 Oh, you don't even knock.

01:43:26.460 You just slide through the lock.

01:43:27.640 Right on in.

01:43:28.380 Come on.

01:43:29.200 Right on in.

01:43:30.260 Damn.

01:43:32.660 Ocho Cinco, man.

01:43:33.660 Well, I would love to go to a game

01:43:35.360 with your, whenever you go watch

01:43:37.960 your daughter in Kentucky.

01:43:39.140 Yeah, most definitely.

01:43:39.860 It's outdoor season right now, too.

01:43:41.380 It just started.

01:43:42.000 So when I get up there,

01:43:43.280 you got to come on down.

01:43:44.140 I'd love to, man.

01:43:44.780 We hang out.

01:43:44.960 Do you think that some players

01:43:52.460 secretly lobby to get into the Hall of Fame?

01:43:55.500 I think, I think so.

01:43:57.160 I mean, right, rightfully so,

01:43:58.340 that for, for those that understand

01:43:59.860 for them, if it means that much to them,

01:44:02.880 you know, being a part of that,

01:44:04.280 that, that entity of special people,

01:44:06.640 yes.

01:44:07.580 But then there's some players also,

01:44:08.840 like, like myself,

01:44:09.900 that feel that I don't really need

01:44:11.360 the validation.

01:44:11.980 I understand who I am

01:44:14.220 and what I did during my time.

01:44:16.380 And I'm, in general,

01:44:18.560 I don't really need it.

01:44:19.780 I hate the fact that

01:44:20.780 there are certain people

01:44:21.700 that sit in places

01:44:22.780 that have a,

01:44:23.700 that are in a position of power

01:44:25.020 that can control individuals

01:44:27.360 that no longer play.

01:44:29.400 It's like puppets.

01:44:30.580 They, oh yeah,

01:44:31.680 I know you want to be here so bad,

01:44:32.980 so I'm controlling

01:44:33.680 whether you can get it or not.

01:44:34.820 That, I would never give,

01:44:35.860 I would never give anyone

01:44:37.360 the satisfaction,

01:44:39.080 the power over me.

01:44:40.180 I don't care about your shit,

01:44:41.200 take it.

01:44:41.480 I mean, listen, it's great.

01:44:42.720 Right.

01:44:42.880 It's a great achievement,

01:44:44.080 a great accomplishment,

01:44:45.580 but come on,

01:44:47.260 I have too much going on now still.

01:44:49.380 Right, every day

01:44:50.080 you have a lot of adoration

01:44:51.100 and things that you get,

01:44:52.160 you get, you know,

01:44:52.880 to still be active.

01:44:55.020 Yeah.

01:44:55.500 Enough and admired

01:44:56.880 in a sport that you enjoy.

01:44:58.540 Who's that?

01:44:59.440 When I put,

01:45:00.040 when I put that

01:45:00.640 Hall of Fame jacket on myself.

01:45:02.020 Oh yeah, good for you.

01:45:03.340 I think there are 269 members

01:45:06.400 in the Hall of Fame,

01:45:07.200 but that jacket right there,

01:45:08.520 that's one-on-one.

01:45:10.180 Gang, gang,

01:45:10.900 that's the truth.

01:45:11.480 That's one-on-one.

01:45:12.960 There's only one of those.

01:45:14.700 Dude, yeah.

01:45:15.900 That's a good point.

01:45:17.260 Yeah.

01:45:17.720 What if you start

01:45:18.260 your own little hall?

01:45:19.260 Yeah, listen,

01:45:19.860 the Hall of Fame,

01:45:20.540 it's unbelievable,

01:45:21.960 you know,

01:45:22.160 to be able to get there.

01:45:23.360 Oh yeah,

01:45:23.780 I'm not discrediting it.

01:45:24.660 Yeah, me neither.

01:45:25.440 I'm just saying,

01:45:26.160 but I don't like the power

01:45:27.260 it holds over players

01:45:28.340 that are retired

01:45:29.180 because they're clamoring

01:45:31.200 trying to get in.

01:45:32.200 It's the same with like

01:45:32.860 these Emmy Awards

01:45:33.700 and Academy Awards

01:45:34.520 for acting stuff.

01:45:35.140 I respect that it's a,

01:45:36.220 it's an award

01:45:37.300 that people have admired

01:45:38.100 and stuff,

01:45:38.540 but if people out there

01:45:40.020 like blowing directors

01:45:43.100 and shit

01:45:43.580 to get the award,

01:45:44.920 it's like,

01:45:45.540 or they're like having a,

01:45:47.760 you know,

01:45:48.620 go pity patter to them

01:45:50.880 because they hope

01:45:51.440 they vote for them.

01:45:52.380 Yeah.

01:45:52.960 I don't like that shit.

01:45:54.200 That's not me.

01:45:55.320 It never has been.

01:45:56.260 Yeah, in fact,

01:45:56.860 take me off the fucking ballot

01:45:58.000 because I don't even want you

01:45:58.780 to be able to tell me no,

01:45:59.860 that's how I feel.

01:46:00.420 Right, right, right.

01:46:00.920 I don't even want you

01:46:01.560 to just be able to say

01:46:02.280 you didn't get it.

01:46:03.780 Right.

01:46:04.100 I never wanted it.

01:46:05.240 You know what I'm saying?

01:46:06.000 It's almost even a better take.

01:46:07.180 Right.

01:46:08.840 With the future,

01:46:09.860 like I know Shannon's

01:46:10.920 going through his stuff

01:46:11.680 right now.

01:46:12.080 Yeah, yeah.

01:46:12.660 With the future of y'all's show,

01:46:13.700 does it,

01:46:14.100 do you guys worry about that?

01:46:15.240 Does it impair it

01:46:15.960 or do you feel?

01:46:17.420 Unc is going through

01:46:18.240 his issues, right?

01:46:19.860 And whatnot.

01:46:22.240 And Unc asked me

01:46:24.280 to be a part of Nightcap

01:46:25.240 and I'm going to ride that wave

01:46:27.820 because he asked me

01:46:29.560 to come on.

01:46:30.300 I'm not jumping ship

01:46:31.260 because of his personal stuff

01:46:33.300 that you handle

01:46:34.400 whatever you need to handle,

01:46:35.560 I'm going to always be here.

01:46:36.600 Yeah.

01:46:37.140 I'm going to be here.

01:46:38.060 You know,

01:46:38.300 if the ship go down,

01:46:39.400 bitch,

01:46:39.600 I'm going down with it.

01:46:40.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:46:41.280 You know,

01:46:41.640 so when the ship was going good,

01:46:43.180 I was right here.

01:46:44.020 Just because it's fucking rocky.

01:46:46.780 I ain't going nowhere.

01:46:48.400 I'm not going nowhere.

01:46:49.900 So I'm going to let Unc

01:46:50.980 do what he needs to do.

01:46:51.880 We're going to keep on filming.

01:46:53.200 We're going to keep on trucking.

01:46:54.040 We're going to keep our head down.

01:46:56.680 He knows what he needs

01:46:58.520 to do on his end

01:46:59.280 and I'm going to make sure

01:47:00.040 I take care of my end

01:47:00.920 and do what I need to do

01:47:02.040 and show up.

01:47:03.240 That's it.

01:47:04.720 That's it.

01:47:05.780 Yeah, man.

01:47:06.160 You know,

01:47:06.600 you know,

01:47:07.000 what reminds me of

01:47:07.520 is when Bill Belichick,

01:47:08.620 remember when Trump,

01:47:09.400 people got on a Bill Belichick

01:47:10.500 about Trump

01:47:11.280 and what did he say about him?

01:47:14.860 Remember when everybody

01:47:15.720 was against Trump?

01:47:16.760 Remember that shit?

01:47:17.980 They still are.

01:47:19.940 That's a good point.

01:47:20.580 They could, yeah.

01:47:21.000 Yeah.

01:47:21.580 Now even for different reasons, man,

01:47:23.440 how they're handling

01:47:23.920 like some of the Middle East stuff,

01:47:25.200 but he said,

01:47:26.340 my relationship

01:47:26.780 with Donald Trump

01:47:27.260 isn't political

01:47:27.920 because the media

01:47:28.420 was really getting on to him.

01:47:29.560 Right.

01:47:30.220 He said,

01:47:30.480 my relationship

01:47:30.840 with Donald Trump

01:47:31.300 isn't political,

01:47:32.040 Belichick said on the dynasty.

01:47:34.080 I knew him long

01:47:34.880 before he got into politics.

01:47:36.060 Donald is a friend

01:47:36.920 and I wrote a personal letter.

01:47:40.460 Might have been it.

01:47:41.340 But he just,

01:47:41.860 he stood up for the fact

01:47:42.960 that this is my friend.

01:47:44.160 Right.

01:47:44.900 This is my friend

01:47:45.540 and people can,

01:47:47.700 there can be other stuff

01:47:48.480 that he has going on

01:47:49.160 in his life,

01:47:49.700 but that isn't,

01:47:52.380 I'm not going to not be

01:47:53.320 a friend then.

01:47:54.180 Right.

01:47:57.140 See,

01:47:57.480 it just kind of reminds me

01:47:58.300 of that.

01:48:00.360 Anything else

01:48:00.880 you wanted to talk about, Chad?

01:48:03.560 Probably got a lot

01:48:04.200 of good stuff.

01:48:04.760 I feel like you think

01:48:05.240 we had a good conversation.

01:48:07.440 Yeah.

01:48:08.020 Yeah.

01:48:09.340 Sometimes it's hard.

01:48:10.260 You know,

01:48:10.400 sometimes you have days

01:48:11.140 where you're like,

01:48:11.540 you got it,

01:48:12.260 you got everything going,

01:48:13.340 everything's okay.

01:48:14.040 Sometimes you have days

01:48:14.860 where you're like,

01:48:15.300 what's even going on?

01:48:17.340 It's weird.

01:48:17.920 Sometimes you get scared.

01:48:18.740 Sometimes you don't.

01:48:19.700 Yeah.

01:48:20.220 Or nervous about certain moments.

01:48:22.560 I don't think black people

01:48:23.640 get as nervous

01:48:24.240 as white people do.

01:48:25.100 Do you think that that's true?

01:48:25.980 It depends.

01:48:26.720 It all depends on the atmosphere.

01:48:28.740 It all depends on the atmosphere

01:48:30.040 and the situation.

01:48:34.240 I mean,

01:48:34.760 driving a car

01:48:35.620 and the cops pull up behind you,

01:48:37.760 we get nervous.

01:48:39.200 Yeah.

01:48:40.240 And I'm like,

01:48:41.040 hey, buddy.

01:48:41.660 Yeah.

01:48:42.820 You guys,

01:48:43.660 not so much.

01:48:44.620 We get nervous.

01:48:45.680 That might be a good point.

01:48:46.880 So in different moments.

01:48:48.160 Yeah.

01:48:48.320 But I think also a good thing

01:48:49.580 that a lot of black folks have

01:48:50.940 is white people,

01:48:52.360 you could tell when they're nervous

01:48:53.400 because you could see it

01:48:54.220 in their skin.

01:48:55.120 Yeah.

01:48:55.240 We give a lot of,

01:48:56.020 too many clues away.

01:48:57.500 So I think I got to start wearing

01:48:58.900 some ruse or just like a,

01:49:02.040 I got to start wearing some bronzer.

01:49:03.460 Thank you so much,

01:49:06.240 Chad.

01:49:06.420 Thank you.

01:49:07.120 Best of luck,

01:49:07.780 man.

01:49:08.080 I love your energy,

01:49:08.940 bro.

01:49:09.180 Thank you for being somebody

01:49:10.080 that continues to entertain people.

01:49:13.360 You know,

01:49:13.800 it's just interesting to hear

01:49:14.460 what your life has been like

01:49:15.560 and how you kind of choose.

01:49:19.580 Somehow you're able to remarkably

01:49:20.840 choose to still just be yourself

01:49:22.820 no matter how

01:49:23.660 kind of hectic things get.

01:49:25.280 Doesn't matter.

01:49:25.840 No matter what.

01:49:26.460 I always even keel

01:49:28.700 at all times.

01:49:30.820 And your even keel

01:49:31.900 is even keel-nevel,

01:49:33.640 too,

01:49:33.780 to a lot of people.

01:49:34.600 You know,

01:49:34.800 it's wild,

01:49:35.500 but that's who you are.

01:49:36.960 Yeah.

01:49:37.240 Always been

01:49:37.820 and will never change.

01:49:38.940 I will always remain

01:49:39.740 authentically myself

01:49:40.880 at all times.

01:49:42.820 Well,

01:49:43.200 it's been fun to watch,

01:49:44.180 man,

01:49:44.400 on the field and off.

01:49:45.360 And yeah,

01:49:45.720 thank you for your time.

01:49:46.520 Thank you,

01:49:46.820 boss.

01:49:47.020 I appreciate it,

01:49:47.600 baby.

01:49:47.620 Now I'm just floating

01:49:50.320 on the breeze

01:49:51.460 and I feel I'm falling

01:49:53.060 like these leaves.

01:49:54.500 I must be

01:49:55.520 cornerstone.

01:49:59.780 Oh,

01:50:00.520 but when I reach that ground,

01:50:02.440 I'll share this peace of mind

01:50:04.440 I found.

01:50:05.240 I can feel it

01:50:06.500 in my bones.

01:50:09.500 But it's gonna take...

This Past Weekend with Theo Von - May 20, 2025

#583 - Chad ＂Ochocinco＂ Johnson

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