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00:00:52.200 Today's guest is one of the most popular streamers.

00:00:54.880 He's a leftist political commentator.

00:00:57.260 You can see countless clips of him debating social issues and political topics.

00:01:03.000 I admire his work ethic and his pursuit of information and communication.

00:01:13.100 I am thankful today for his time and our conversation.

00:01:17.440 Today's guest is Mr. Hassan Piker.

00:01:20.620 It feels like I made so many requests where I'm like, oh my god, I need to have my dog here, all this shit.

00:01:43.340 No, dude, I'm just somebody so stylish.

00:01:45.360 You're like, probably...

00:01:47.340 Yeah.

00:01:47.940 Is that...

00:01:49.040 This is...

00:01:49.700 The top is some...

00:01:51.480 I mean, both are Japanese, I think, actually.

00:01:53.840 Oh, yeah.

00:01:54.660 That's what it is.

00:01:55.740 Yeah.

00:01:56.020 It's a Japanese brand called Color with a K.

00:01:59.980 And the Pantser Adidas Y3 Yoji Yamamoto collab.

00:02:05.200 Damn.

00:02:05.760 You don't fuck with fashion at all.

00:02:07.400 I mean, I...

00:02:08.900 Yeah, I don't.

00:02:10.020 I mean, you got a look, though.

00:02:11.860 I mean, I don't like to have a lot of...

00:02:13.860 Should we save this for the pod?

00:02:16.020 That's normal.

00:02:16.800 Oh, we're rolling?

00:02:17.580 Yeah.

00:02:17.980 Oh, okay.

00:02:19.220 All right.

00:02:19.780 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:20.440 My bad.

00:02:20.820 That's why I didn't have it on the...

00:02:22.120 That's why I didn't have it in my mouth.

00:02:23.620 Because I thought we weren't filming yet.

00:02:25.220 Um, yeah, dude, that is style.

00:02:28.460 That's...

00:02:28.940 Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's definitely very stylish.

00:02:30.820 My good friend Aaron, he started a company called, um, John Elliott.

00:02:37.680 I feel like I've heard of that.

00:02:39.020 Yeah.

00:02:39.400 They have him, like, now in, like, in Nordstrom.

00:02:41.320 And it's like a...

00:02:41.920 They have, like, it over, like...

00:02:43.980 I think it was, like, right after, like, G-Star kind of came out.

00:02:46.640 Like, G...

00:02:47.020 I tried...

00:02:47.480 I got into some G-Star for a little bit.

00:02:48.540 Oh, you got some G-Star?

00:02:49.600 That was, like, as, like...

00:02:50.980 Let me see what we're doing, kind of as I got...

00:02:54.120 I would like to have more fashion sometimes.

00:02:56.140 I just don't know if I can...

00:02:57.660 I don't care.

00:02:59.120 Well, you got to look.

00:03:00.860 I get too overwhelmed.

00:03:01.660 I like knowing, like, there's about 17 or 18 things that I wear that'll be okay.

00:03:05.700 Bro, you got to look.

00:03:06.780 You can't be saying, um, I need to get into fashion.

00:03:09.740 And you're making a deliberate choice to not have a mustache and grow a beard out.

00:03:13.660 Oh, you think so?

00:03:14.640 I feel like that's...

00:03:15.900 That's a look.

00:03:17.420 Maybe that...

00:03:18.300 I never thought about that.

00:03:19.740 Yeah, I guess it's like...

00:03:20.440 You got the flannel.

00:03:21.740 It's that little...

00:03:22.320 Like a sock for your chin, kind of, I guess.

00:03:24.440 Yeah.

00:03:24.960 That's brave, by the way.

00:03:25.960 I just got to say.

00:03:27.240 To do just this?

00:03:28.140 Yeah.

00:03:28.440 I think it's brave.

00:03:29.540 But do you think that's a culture or thing?

00:03:31.200 What culture is your family from?

00:03:32.740 I'm Turkish.

00:03:33.880 Okay.

00:03:34.260 So, in Turkey, is that a thing?

00:03:36.520 Do you see just this ever in Turkey?

00:03:39.200 Sometimes.

00:03:40.100 Okay.

00:03:40.260 We don't got Amish people.

00:03:42.420 Normally, the only time you see the beard and the no mustache combo is if they just go

00:03:46.580 with the full one.

00:03:47.640 Oh, yeah.

00:03:48.520 And it's just like, I don't know why they do that.

00:03:51.080 Yeah, I saw a guy with a huge beard the other night at a comedy show.

00:03:54.780 I think it was in Ohio.

00:03:55.600 He had a huge beard.

00:03:57.020 And then an Edgar, that kind of Mexican kind of Edgar cut in the front.

00:04:00.920 I love that.

00:04:01.700 Oh, it was great.

00:04:02.580 This guy was ginger.

00:04:03.700 I mean, probably Amish or recently Amish or once removed or whatever.

00:04:08.800 And he had had like...

00:04:10.520 How does that work?

00:04:11.800 I mean, you could tell somebody in his...

00:04:13.620 Somebody had fucking...

00:04:15.120 He probably had nails in his pocket.

00:04:17.220 You know what I'm saying?

00:04:17.700 He definitely...

00:04:18.460 Somebody had...

00:04:19.400 Somebody...

00:04:20.200 I don't know, man.

00:04:22.100 But no, you're probably the most...

00:04:23.300 I'm trying to think of somebody else more stylish that's come in here.

00:04:26.700 Oh, here's some facial hair types right here.

00:04:28.300 This is very important.

00:04:29.300 Bro, this is like that Russian ethnicities photo grid.

00:04:33.740 You know what I'm talking about?

00:04:34.720 Uh-uh.

00:04:35.320 Like in the USSR.

00:04:36.720 This is crazy.

00:04:37.480 This does look like...

00:04:38.880 Yeah, they're like...

00:04:40.160 They're showing us the different kinds of Armenians.

00:04:43.920 This does look like 40 degrees of Uber.

00:04:46.980 That's what it looks like.

00:04:47.740 Yeah, see?

00:04:48.380 Look, that's what I'm talking about.

00:04:50.200 Oh, I thought this was one of those terror watch fucking charts, dude.

00:04:53.540 No, no.

00:04:53.980 This is like...

00:04:54.580 Look at all the different ethnicities in the USSR.

00:04:57.640 It's to be better at racism.

00:05:00.060 Racism.

00:05:01.480 Well, that's what I...

00:05:02.200 Dude, racism used to be so easy in America.

00:05:05.060 Like when I was growing up, it was like easy, easy to do.

00:05:07.860 Easy to be racist.

00:05:09.200 Now, I've been to these...

00:05:11.140 It's almost like you have to have a chart.

00:05:12.840 You have to have...

00:05:14.740 Yeah, that's what I...

00:05:15.860 A calculator to even be racist now, it feels like.

00:05:18.260 Yeah.

00:05:18.740 I hate that.

00:05:20.940 God damn it.

00:05:21.780 Racism used to be so easy.

00:05:23.540 Yeah, what happened to the good old days?

00:05:25.500 You could just point out the window and your stepdad just knew immediately what was going on.

00:05:30.120 Yeah.

00:05:31.240 I think it's just extra difficulty now.

00:05:35.760 That's what it is.

00:05:36.740 So you have to be smarter as a racist.

00:05:39.260 Yeah, there's a barrier to entry.

00:05:40.360 We're trying to make the races better.

00:05:41.680 Yeah.

00:05:42.640 Yeah, dude, because...

00:05:44.140 Oh, you said there's like a barrier to entry now.

00:05:45.960 Yeah, there's a barrier to entry to doing racism.

00:05:48.720 Like, it's like, it's unironically a more difficult process now.

00:05:55.600 But what I was going to say is, if you want to go back to the facial hair chart...

00:06:01.280 Yeah, bring it up again, please, because I want to know what we're doing.

00:06:05.400 Or was it yours, the other one?

00:06:07.340 No, no, that was just a USSR race chart, but...

00:06:12.800 Yeah, you can also get...

00:06:14.320 That USSR chart is easily...

00:06:16.080 A lot of those men, you'll see a meeting with very young girls at Starbucks, trying to get them involved in something a lot of times, it seems like.

00:06:22.800 Yeah.

00:06:23.220 But what is this one?

00:06:24.780 What do you got?

00:06:25.640 You got the chin curtain?

00:06:26.500 No, you got the goatee.

00:06:28.000 That's what you have.

00:06:29.620 Yeah, I guess I have the goatee.

00:06:31.020 It's very simple, kind of.

00:06:32.460 It's like, I have a big nose, so I try to...

00:06:35.300 You know, you do little things to try and, you know, trick a wife or whatever, trick a...

00:06:40.420 You know, you want to have a spouse.

00:06:42.080 So I have that, and then I have a little bit more chin than my brother does.

00:06:47.760 So I have a real chin in here.

00:06:48.980 Some people, it's completely...

00:06:51.060 It's a total mirage.

00:06:52.400 Like, there's a guy that's in that power slap game, and they can't even, like, he has this huge...

00:06:57.360 They can't identify where his chin begins?

00:06:59.420 They can't fucking, yeah.

00:07:00.500 Yeah, I love that.

00:07:01.780 Especially when, like, dudes have that situation going on, and then they'll just, like, grow out their beard and basically try to, like, line it up so that there's, like, a chin there.

00:07:10.520 And it's like, bro, you are not fooling anybody.

00:07:12.720 And I don't even know what to do in that situation.

00:07:15.000 Like, if you got that no-neck edge shit, then you're kind of cooked regardless.

00:07:21.760 But, I mean, good luck.

00:07:23.920 I don't know.

00:07:24.360 There is the one where it's crazy, where sometimes, yeah, they cut the hair exactly.

00:07:30.560 Oh, that's no-neck edge, yeah.

00:07:32.240 He's doing real estate now, too.

00:07:33.960 He was doing lemonade sale.

00:07:35.420 He was in, like, a...

00:07:36.260 He got caught up in big lemonade.

00:07:37.380 Or not big lemonade, but, like, lemonade.

00:07:39.600 Big lemonade.

00:07:40.360 He was...

00:07:40.760 I know he was...

00:07:41.260 I think he was involved with lemonade for a bit.

00:07:43.020 I saw him selling a...

00:07:44.860 He was involved with, like, a child?

00:07:47.000 Like, what do you mean?

00:07:47.920 No, like, he was selling...

00:07:49.140 He got caught up.

00:07:50.140 Ed and Pete's, there it is.

00:07:51.320 Something like that.

00:07:51.960 Or lemonade.

00:07:52.600 Oh, he, like, actually had his lemonade brand.

00:07:54.760 Yeah, he was selling...

00:07:55.640 It was, like, a...

00:07:56.880 It was the opposite of...

00:07:57.940 You know, they have, like, a long-neck bottle.

00:07:59.260 That was the whole play on it.

00:08:00.600 Oh.

00:08:01.140 Oh, that's weird.

00:08:02.280 I know.

00:08:02.820 That's such an odd thing that he was...

00:08:04.680 So he made, like, a short and stubby one.

00:08:06.800 Yeah.

00:08:07.960 Who wants that baby lemonade out of Ed?

00:08:10.480 Oh, he definitely looks like the kind of guy that you would just...

00:08:13.160 You want to fucking crack open.

00:08:14.720 He looks like that fancy syrup.

00:08:16.460 You ever see the fancy bottle of syrup?

00:08:17.980 And it doesn't have...

00:08:19.200 Bring it up if you can.

00:08:20.040 It's kind of light brown.

00:08:21.840 It has a brown top on it.

00:08:23.820 It's maple syrup, but it's wide.

00:08:26.380 Oh, like the maple version, like that?

00:08:29.200 Yeah.

00:08:29.680 The 365, the Whole Foods, that matte finish one.

00:08:32.800 Yeah.

00:08:33.140 The one that looks like a liquor bottle.

00:08:34.780 Yes.

00:08:35.620 Yeah.

00:08:36.580 Yeah.

00:08:37.000 It looked like an old brown jug.

00:08:38.360 Oh, not the liquor bottle on that one.

00:08:38.720 Yeah.

00:08:39.120 I always...

00:08:39.720 He kind of had that.

00:08:40.760 Anyway, I feel bad we're making fun of the guy now.

00:08:43.940 Yeah.

00:08:44.200 He wasn't...

00:08:44.700 I don't know.

00:08:45.060 I remember watching 90 Day Fiancé, and he didn't seem like a good dude.

00:08:48.980 Oh, really?

00:08:49.920 He didn't seem...

00:08:50.840 He didn't strike me as like a very nice guy, but I mean, who knows?

00:08:53.940 Oh, I'll jump on a hate wagon in a heartbeat, dude.

00:08:56.240 Oh, I know.

00:08:56.540 Fuck it, bro.

00:08:57.600 Yeah.

00:08:57.820 No, but I saw the other day he was doing real estate, man.

00:09:01.440 Hassan Piker, thanks for coming in, dude.

00:09:03.440 Yeah.

00:09:03.760 I appreciate it.

00:09:04.400 Thanks for having me.

00:09:05.040 I know you're super busy, man.

00:09:06.540 I admire...

00:09:07.820 I admire, first of all, how streamers, how the effort it is.

00:09:13.200 It almost seems like it's like one of those races in the Olympics that it's like an endurance

00:09:18.180 game.

00:09:19.080 Yeah.

00:09:19.600 But also just like your openness to like thinking about things.

00:09:22.480 You don't seem like just like one type of person or like you could pigeonhole you.

00:09:28.180 Yeah, I do a little bit of everything.

00:09:30.480 I mean...

00:09:31.020 But even just in your own beliefs, like when you talk about political stuff, it's like

00:09:34.640 you seem very poignant, but also like aggressively open to things, you know, which I think...

00:09:42.060 And that's a judgment, and maybe I shouldn't have said something like that.

00:09:44.160 But anyway, I just admire the way that you do things, dude.

00:09:47.120 So I appreciate you coming and hanging out.

00:09:48.380 That's all I should have said.

00:09:49.300 Thanks for having me.

00:09:50.540 I think streamers are basically like the bottom of the totem pole as far as content creators

00:09:56.280 goes.

00:09:56.840 Like it's definitely laborious, but I wouldn't say that it's like super difficult because

00:10:03.060 like overall a Hollywood production, if that is like the highest stage of like content creation

00:10:10.920 and you have, you know, hundreds of people working all around the world, working around

00:10:15.920 the clock to put like two and a half hours of content together where everyone's going

00:10:20.300 to sit there and watch.

00:10:21.960 Twitch streaming is like the lowest of the low.

00:10:24.980 Yeah.

00:10:25.200 Where it's just like a dude like me half the time, you know, picking at his crotch, watching

00:10:31.680 YouTube videos, picking his nose.

00:10:33.200 And it's, you know, it's, you have to be on for eight hours at a time.

00:10:37.840 And it's like usually one person doing that.

00:10:39.760 And that's annoying.

00:10:40.580 And you got to be like constantly listening to people chirp at you.

00:10:45.580 And that part sucks.

00:10:46.780 But overall, I would say it's like the, you know, lowest tier of content, lowest effort

00:10:50.860 of content.

00:10:51.380 Would you say that it's the purest of content though, in a weird way?

00:10:55.040 Like, because it's, I mean, what I do is like, yeah, what I do is AM radio, but what I do

00:11:02.780 is, is basically AM radio, but for zoomers, you know, I like, that's the way I describe

00:11:08.100 myself.

00:11:08.400 Like, you know, like I'm sure, you know, Rush Limbaugh.

00:11:11.280 Yeah.

00:11:12.240 Like that's, that's the way that I describe what I do to older people in general, where

00:11:18.720 like, I'm like Rush Limbaugh, but without the brain, without the brain rot.

00:11:23.140 But yeah, literally and figuratively, I mean, he did die of brain cancer.

00:11:26.740 Did he?

00:11:26.980 He had addiction.

00:11:27.820 I know.

00:11:28.280 Yeah.

00:11:28.440 He also had a, yeah, he had a hole, I think in his brain from all the perks.

00:11:31.860 He was perked up.

00:11:32.580 He was a perked up shouty.

00:11:34.100 He was definitely, my body, my body.

00:11:37.060 Yeah.

00:11:37.860 I think he definitely was one of the early, um, he was almost like a rapper in a way,

00:11:43.640 like with the pills.

00:11:44.740 I think he had the women.

00:11:46.500 Bring up Rush Limbaugh's wife.

00:11:47.820 Let's even get a.

00:11:48.580 No, I don't, I don't know.

00:11:50.080 I feel like those guys don't fuck.

00:11:51.700 I don't know why.

00:11:53.140 Like, unless they're, unless they're gay, the, the gay conservatives, like the, the

00:11:57.980 ones in the closet, like they fuck.

00:12:00.140 Okay.

00:12:00.520 Nevermind.

00:12:01.580 She's kind of, she's kind of a looker, huh?

00:12:04.120 I mean, she's better looking than him.

00:12:05.960 I mean, that's not saying much.

00:12:08.240 But still I've seen, yeah.

00:12:10.380 Sometimes you get a, uh, yeah, she has a very, who does she look like a little bit?

00:12:15.140 I've never seen his wife or someone's widow.

00:12:17.380 She kind of looks like, she kind of looks like in that photo where they're kissing, she kind

00:12:20.320 of looks like Walter White's wife.

00:12:22.520 You know what I mean?

00:12:23.460 Oh yeah.

00:12:24.300 From Breaking Bad.

00:12:25.100 The blonde haired lady.

00:12:26.080 Yeah.

00:12:26.600 Yeah.

00:12:26.800 But like hotter.

00:12:27.960 And Tori Spelling a little bit too.

00:12:29.600 She looked like if you go back one, Tori Spelling was probably a four year time, but oh yeah,

00:12:33.420 she does.

00:12:34.560 Um, yeah, I never looked at his wife or, or yeah, I'd never seen a picture of her before.

00:12:39.760 Um, yeah.

00:12:41.220 I mean, it'd be weird if you were just like out there Googling Rush Limbaugh's wife.

00:12:45.220 Yeah.

00:12:45.720 Well, you just.

00:12:46.080 I do that all the time.

00:12:47.300 I look at all the, all my favorite conservative commentators' wives.

00:12:50.740 You just think like, yeah, I guess what are people's, I don't know.

00:12:53.700 Yeah.

00:12:54.280 Yeah.

00:12:54.600 I guess it's good that I'm not doing that.

00:12:56.060 What's one of the toughest things about streaming that people don't understand though?

00:12:59.340 Um, I'll say it like this.

00:13:01.760 Back in the day, Joe Rogan used to always talk about how, uh, when you do a three hour podcast,

00:13:06.980 like there are so much that people can just like clip out of that and then take, uh, out

00:13:12.560 of context, like rob it of its nuance and rob it of its context.

00:13:15.840 And it was funny because like at the time when he was saying this, like podcasting was

00:13:19.780 a relatively new medium.

00:13:21.220 I'm talking like 2014, 2015 when Joe wrote, when, when he like first was building out the

00:13:27.120 Joe Rogan experience, right?

00:13:29.020 Every other week, seemingly the media would yell at him over some shit that he said on his

00:13:34.060 podcast.

00:13:34.600 And he was like, we're having an honest discussion.

00:13:37.120 It's three hours.

00:13:37.820 It's back and forth.

00:13:38.740 It's going to happen.

00:13:39.860 Like things are going to get taken out of context.

00:13:42.620 I think for Twitch streaming, that's tuned up to 11 where not only in my live, I'm talking

00:13:49.360 about politics, which are, you know, I mean, I'm talking about some really crazy issues,

00:13:54.720 uh, hot button topics.

00:13:55.880 And also I'm doing that with a live audience who's constantly chirping at me, uh, in real

00:14:02.980 time, trying to, you know, trying to constantly piss me off.

00:14:07.260 And then when they do successfully piss me off, they'll clip that shit and post it on Twitter,

00:14:12.620 post it on Reddit, be like, call out post, call out post.

00:14:14.820 This guy's bad.

00:14:15.560 Look at what he said.

00:14:16.180 And, um, you know, when you've got like crazy dedicated haters too, especially cause you're

00:14:21.420 doing politics in general, you're going to have a lot of crazy dedicated haters.

00:14:25.600 Uh, they, they just do, you know, they just compile all of that to be like, this is a bad

00:14:30.400 person over and over and over again.

00:14:32.180 Like you'll see it in the, in the comment section of this video, there will be a ton

00:14:36.460 of people who are going to come in and be like, this guy is a bad dude.

00:14:39.800 Like he said this, he said that.

00:14:41.640 Cause like the major reason obviously for that is because I'm anti-Israel.

00:14:46.500 Like I'm, I'm, I'm pro-Palestine.

00:14:48.860 I've been pro-Palestine for quite a while.

00:14:51.560 And that really brings out the crazies.

00:14:54.240 Does it really?

00:14:55.280 Oh yeah.

00:14:57.100 Oh yeah.

00:14:58.360 You, you haven't encountered this.

00:14:59.700 I mean, you had Gabor Mate on.

00:15:01.180 Yeah.

00:15:01.840 We had Gabor Mate.

00:15:03.020 We had a rabbi.

00:15:05.440 Uh, we had Bassem Yusef and we definitely have tried to like learn some about it.

00:15:10.000 I think in the end for me, it just became like my feelings just tell me that it's just

00:15:16.700 messed up what's happened to those people.

00:15:18.120 It's like, and that a lot of it was covered up by the media or they didn't want you to

00:15:21.680 share a certain information or you weren't allowed to.

00:15:24.280 No, for sure.

00:15:25.080 I mean, that's how it's always been though.

00:15:26.880 It's not just for Israel.

00:15:28.480 It's just in general.

00:15:29.620 Like when it comes to American foreign policy, uh, the, the American media is, is fairly

00:15:35.600 one note.

00:15:36.480 Our politicians are one known on it too.

00:15:38.240 They're bipartisan on that.

00:15:39.500 Right.

00:15:39.780 That's like, so when you say that, you mean that they're all in on the same, it's all kind

00:15:43.600 of the same ruse.

00:15:44.460 Do you mean?

00:15:44.820 Yeah.

00:15:45.480 Yeah.

00:15:45.720 They all, they all agree.

00:15:47.700 It's always uniparty when it comes to American foreign policy, when it comes to giving money

00:15:51.620 to Israel, when it comes to a lot of that stuff, like going to war with, with, uh, Iraq,

00:15:57.040 right?

00:15:58.180 You got the media also presenting that lie that they have, you know, chemical weapons,

00:16:03.560 their weapons of mass destruction and uncritically reporting on that to justify going to war,

00:16:09.000 uh, with Iraq going and invading a foreign nation that we had no business invading.

00:16:13.980 Right.

00:16:14.460 So that is, that happens all the time.

00:16:17.660 Do you think that that's starting to get upset even by like podcasting streaming?

00:16:22.760 Um, do you think that that apple cart starting to change?

00:16:26.560 It feels like, Oh, for sure.

00:16:28.860 I think that, uh, yeah, the independent media sphere definitely is like dominating partially

00:16:35.120 because of that reason.

00:16:36.540 Sometimes for bad reasons, people have lost confidence in media when they just don't like

00:16:41.140 what they're reporting, even if they're reporting the truth.

00:16:43.800 And then there are plenty of major reasons like, like Jeffrey Epstein's death.

00:16:48.880 Like you go to any outlet, most of them are going to rule it a suicide, no critical, no

00:16:53.760 critical reporting on it whatsoever, just unconditionally saying like, no, no, no, it was definitely a

00:16:58.300 suicide.

00:16:58.540 Like the average American doesn't feel that way.

00:17:01.460 And also there's very valid reasons as to why they don't feel that way.

00:17:05.380 Israel is another great example of this where like, it was like 80% of Americans wanted a

00:17:11.080 ceasefire.

00:17:12.120 Uh, and, and yet if you look at all the way from CNN to Fox news, every single outlet was

00:17:19.500 just like, no, no, no.

00:17:20.400 You don't understand.

00:17:21.160 Israel has to kill these children.

00:17:22.940 Like, please, no, you don't understand.

00:17:25.940 Like, can you imagine, uh, you got, imagine a role reversal in that situation where like

00:17:32.960 you got, you got, uh, Osama bin Laden's best lads on CNN immediately after 9-11 being

00:17:40.100 like, listen, like we, we had to blow up the twin towers.

00:17:44.280 Like you, you don't, the World Trade Center, it was, it was right there.

00:17:48.280 It was asking for it.

00:17:49.380 One of them was a little askew.

00:17:50.840 Yeah.

00:17:51.080 We had to fix it.

00:17:53.160 Um, yeah.

00:17:54.520 Well, yeah, it's crazy.

00:17:56.000 Well, there's that famous video that got shared a few years ago, like during COVID when it

00:17:59.220 was like every channel was reporting the same exact, it was just the same script.

00:18:03.520 It was almost just-

00:18:04.280 Sinclair Broadcasting.

00:18:05.240 Yeah.

00:18:05.700 So that's actually, that's ironically, a lot of right-wingers spread that one.

00:18:09.600 Is that true or not?

00:18:10.440 No, it is.

00:18:11.140 But that, but that's right-wing.

00:18:13.100 That's Sinclair Broadcasting.

00:18:14.340 It's like a right-wing media company that basically bought out all the remaining local

00:18:18.060 news broadcasters.

00:18:19.300 Wow.

00:18:19.520 So it's like an umbrella.

00:18:21.720 Right-wing media is all over the place, actually.

00:18:24.120 And a lot of people don't realize it.

00:18:26.660 Like whenever, whenever Fox News talks about like mainstream media lies, I'm like, bro,

00:18:30.180 you are the most popular news network in the country.

00:18:33.260 What do you mean mainstream media?

00:18:35.180 Like you're dominating everybody else.

00:18:36.940 So you're saying that a lot of times mainstream media is also right-wing media.

00:18:44.380 Yeah.

00:18:44.860 Right-wing media is so dominant.

00:18:46.800 And in the independent side, right-wing media is dominant as hell too.

00:18:50.380 But like on the mainstream side, right-wing media is incredibly dominant.

00:18:54.380 They dominate the local news with Sinclair Broadcasting and also all the way up to Fox

00:18:59.720 News, which is the most famous, which is the most like successful network news broadcaster

00:19:05.420 in the country.

00:19:06.140 Is Fox, is Fox News the most watched news network?

00:19:09.860 By widest margins.

00:19:11.720 Really?

00:19:12.220 Yeah.

00:19:12.500 I didn't know that.

00:19:12.780 It's not even close.

00:19:14.200 CNN and MSNBC, Trump always talks about how CNN and NBC are, you know, in the pooper.

00:19:18.540 Their ratings are awful.

00:19:19.900 These guys love presenting themselves as vulnerable victims.

00:19:22.760 And I, and I really always get annoyed by that.

00:19:25.360 Like they say that about, they used to always say that about like Facebook too.

00:19:29.320 They're like, oh, they're banning stuff.

00:19:30.660 And I'm sure they banned like vaccine denial or whatever, right?

00:19:33.920 Uh, cause Facebook wanted to be woke and liberal, uh, until Mark Zuckerberg got hit with the

00:19:39.600 Dominican Ray, but, uh, so then when people say mainstream media, then I guess what it, then what

00:19:45.580 did it, cause it always felt to me like, um, yeah, that every outlet was just always super liberal.

00:19:52.300 That's what it felt like.

00:19:53.300 They are.

00:19:53.800 No, no, for sure.

00:19:54.760 Like a lot of like the New York times, you got, uh, CNN, ABC, CBS, like NBC, these outlets are liberal.

00:20:02.740 Now, obviously I'm a little bit of a radical, I guess.

00:20:06.580 So I'm, uh, definitely not fond of the democratic party either, even though, uh, my criticisms of the

00:20:13.120 Democrats are because of their closeness to the Republicans in general.

00:20:16.720 So, but yeah, they are, I would say that they're definitely liberal, but that doesn't necessarily

00:20:21.540 mean that they're like on the side of the people or anything like that, or on even the progressive

00:20:26.460 side of many, many of these issues.

00:20:28.620 And that's why I said there's this uniparty attitude like liberals and Republicans.

00:20:35.120 They basically come together and agree when it comes to giving more money to Israel.

00:20:40.000 Yeah.

00:20:40.540 Not, not the voters.

00:20:41.500 I'm talking like institutions.

00:20:42.940 I'm talking politicians in general.

00:20:45.940 Yeah.

00:20:46.040 That seems to be, I think it feels so far away from being represented.

00:20:52.220 Like the, the people feel so far away from being represented.

00:20:55.220 And I feel like that seems like it's gotten further and further in my lifetime.

00:20:58.580 I can't tell if it's just cause I'm getting older.

00:21:00.320 And so you hear about more stuff like that or if it's actually true, but I think people

00:21:06.400 just feel like, you know, like why are we having to audit our own government, you know,

00:21:11.400 whether or not the means that they're going about it are good or not.

00:21:14.040 But it's like, it's like the, the fact that people are cheering to have our own government

00:21:18.520 audited, the fact that it's like, yeah, that 80% of the people would, would say they don't

00:21:23.620 support, um, what's happened in Gaza.

00:21:26.020 But yet we would still send money to Israel.

00:21:28.500 Like I think Trump has done that.

00:21:30.240 Trump, the other day, Trump was like, yo, we gotta, we can't give any more money to Ukraine.

00:21:34.760 Right.

00:21:35.260 Um, you're done.

00:21:36.160 And he's like, Zell Disney, you're out.

00:21:38.100 And then he turns around and he's like, also we're sending $3 billion of weapons and bulldozers

00:21:42.240 to Israel pronto.

00:21:43.660 Did they really?

00:21:44.320 Yeah.

00:21:45.000 Bring that up.

00:21:45.800 3.4 billion.

00:21:46.940 I believe on the same day.

00:21:48.660 Yep.

00:21:49.060 Rubio bypass, bypass bypass, bypass, bypasses Congress to send Israel $4 billion in arms.

00:21:55.160 They were like, oh, we have to expeditiously send this out to Israel.

00:21:58.680 Arms for what?

00:22:00.140 What do you mean?

00:22:00.940 To, to continue killing Palestinians.

00:22:03.840 Is there anybody left there?

00:22:05.920 Yeah.

00:22:06.540 There's still, uh, there's still a million plus Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

00:22:10.480 Um, they're basically just like living in the rubble trying to rebuild.

00:22:13.760 I mean, these are some of the most resilient people on the planet.

00:22:16.340 Like they just, they've been through hell a million times over, you know?

00:22:20.980 You still see a lot of great, like there was a beautiful video.

00:22:23.660 I'm not sure if it was AI or not of them trying to celebrate Ramadan the other night

00:22:26.660 in the rubble.

00:22:26.940 Oh, the long table?

00:22:27.860 Yeah.

00:22:28.220 Yeah.

00:22:28.360 I think that was real though.

00:22:29.440 I don't think that was AI.

00:22:30.620 Bring that up really quick.

00:22:31.380 I saw people take, uh, I saw people taking photos of that.

00:22:34.140 Yeah.

00:22:34.340 I mean, also the other side of this is like the Gaza Strip is, is like overwhelmingly

00:22:39.380 children.

00:22:40.040 Like we're talking, like the average age is 14.

00:22:43.640 People are on like 50 plus percent are, are minors.

00:22:48.020 Well, that's, I think that's before October 7th.

00:22:50.880 But like a year ago, people would be afraid to have, I think this converse to, to, to people

00:22:55.760 be afraid.

00:22:56.460 Oh, for sure.

00:22:57.060 Including us.

00:22:57.800 Like I'd be afraid, I'd be afraid that.

00:22:59.880 No, I mean, look, I've been, I've been actively been openly, uh, pro Palestinian emancipation

00:23:04.440 for the past decade.

00:23:05.680 And I've seen a major attitude shift.

00:23:08.560 You're like Turkish McLemore, dude.

00:23:10.360 Wait, what do you mean?

00:23:11.240 Because he, yeah, he's been.

00:23:12.320 When I went, when I was in third, third grade, I thought I was gay.

00:23:16.020 No, no.

00:23:16.640 Did he do that?

00:23:17.860 That's what his, it was his song.

00:23:19.260 Oh, well, dude, you gotta be pretty.

00:23:20.720 Oh, you have to have an open attitude to even think that way in third grade.

00:23:23.300 Um, but no, he's just been, he's been on a, on a bashly afraid to share about Palestine,

00:23:30.040 you know?

00:23:30.740 Yeah.

00:23:31.400 No, he's, he's had his heart changed.

00:23:33.180 I think his heart's in the right place.

00:23:34.380 Like, I think he's, he's, uh, doing great.

00:23:36.700 He was from the beginning about, I mean, he was early on it.

00:23:39.120 Yeah.

00:23:39.380 Yeah.

00:23:39.580 Not like 10 years.

00:23:40.320 He hasn't been, but since it became like a hot, more of a hot button issue in the past

00:23:44.220 three or four years for sure.

00:23:45.720 Yeah.

00:23:45.900 I mean, look, I'll never, I'll never discard allies.

00:23:48.060 Cause I'm, you know, that's an amazing thing to, to look at the situation with clarity,

00:23:52.480 with moral clarity and just be like, listen, I didn't know enough about this.

00:23:56.020 And now I've recognized the, the cruelty of, of what we are doing.

00:24:01.200 Like, cause that's the other thing, like America, whether we agree to it or not, or whether we

00:24:05.820 recognize it or not is like participating in this in a pretty meaningful way.

00:24:09.480 They're offering political cover at the UN, they, uh, you got the, the basically war crime cops

00:24:17.140 out there at the ICC and ICJ, the international court of justice, which prosecutes state on

00:24:22.080 state, uh, prosecutions.

00:24:23.900 You have the international criminal court, which is a court that prosecutes war criminals,

00:24:27.680 right?

00:24:28.200 And both of them have issued for Netanyahu to be arrested, right?

00:24:31.760 So South Africa has a case against Israel for genocide that's ongoing and at the ICJ and

00:24:37.240 at the ICC, the, uh, the international criminal court has a prosecutor that has issued arrest

00:24:42.880 warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav Galant, uh, for, for the crime of, of, you know, doing

00:24:49.740 a genocide for, uh, being war criminals, uh, intentional starvation of a civilian captive

00:24:54.840 civilian population.

00:24:55.800 It's a pretty obvious war crime.

00:24:58.080 So, well, I just think it's honestly, bro.

00:25:00.880 Some of it, I think it's kind of pussy, like, and I hate to say that cause some people don't

00:25:04.840 have pussies or don't believe in them or whatever, but it's like, uh, it's

00:25:07.440 I think if you're all, if your military is so great, send in snipers and get the bad

00:25:13.120 guys.

00:25:13.580 That's how I feel.

00:25:14.780 Do some covert op shit, but just to be like.

00:25:17.120 No, their military's ass though, that's the problem.

00:25:19.080 They just have like, they just have overwhelming firepower and air superiority.

00:25:25.000 That's it.

00:25:25.680 But, but, but that's the part to me.

00:25:27.640 It's like send in some, you know, if those are the bad guys, send in and get the, like

00:25:32.000 do some, it just felt like this, uh, I don't know.

00:25:35.260 It just started to feel gross.

00:25:36.920 And then the great thing was, it feels like you couldn't hide it from a nation.

00:25:40.800 You could not hide from the world that what they were doing was wrong.

00:25:44.820 But going back to what you're saying, how much are we complicit in so many of these,

00:25:49.840 I mean.

00:25:50.920 Types of things that happen in different countries.

00:25:53.540 And do we need to be?

00:25:56.460 No, I think we are complicit.

00:25:58.000 I mean, that's how I feel about it at least.

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00:26:05.420 to, to try to put an end to this.

00:26:07.240 Because I think we have a lot of power in this, in this regard in the United States

00:26:12.060 of America.

00:26:12.320 I don't think that America is like a true democracy by any means.

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00:29:08.280 I wouldn't say it's like complicity in terms of like your hands are bloody individually.

00:29:15.180 But the least you can do is not actively champion America doing this stuff and also go out and

00:29:25.700 protest like and try to try to give a voice to voiceless people that are just being massacred

00:29:31.020 for no reason.

00:29:32.080 Yeah.

00:29:34.260 Why is there such a strong bond between America and Israel?

00:29:36.980 I've heard Candace Owen was saying that she thought it was blackmail.

00:29:40.640 But what do you why do you think there's really?

00:29:42.380 Candace Owen's got a lot of thoughts on that stuff.

00:29:46.980 I think I think there's like two different camps here.

00:29:50.260 You got people who critically analyze the relationship with Israel.

00:29:53.460 And you got people who are like, it's the Jews, you know, I am in the critically analyzing

00:29:59.820 the situation camp rather than just being like, oh, it's Jews because they got mind control

00:30:03.720 powers or whatever the fuck people say.

00:30:05.280 Um, it's it's because it is an unsinkable aircraft carrier in a resource rich region and it has

00:30:12.640 its own espionage facilities.

00:30:14.840 And that is the reason like we basically carried over from the British, uh, this this settler

00:30:20.880 colony in the region, uh, that we can just kind of use or have a collaborative relationship

00:30:28.320 with and it's incredibly valuable for us.

00:30:31.240 So valuable that like, I mean, Israel's blown up USS Liberty, like a, like an American Navy

00:30:36.640 ship.

00:30:36.900 Yeah.

00:30:37.420 And, and basically.

00:30:39.320 It was in the fifties, I think.

00:30:40.720 Yeah.

00:30:41.200 In that process, like it was an incredibly valuable Cold War ally because we were terrified of

00:30:46.720 Israel going and like collaborating with the USSR.

00:30:48.860 You got pan, uh, Arabic nationalism happening all around the region.

00:30:53.120 All these countries that are developing nation states are, are doing so on the boundaries

00:30:58.080 of, of, you know, defeating their, their colonial occupiers, whether it be French colonialism

00:31:03.420 or British colonialism.

00:31:05.180 And simultaneously they're looking to the USSR.

00:31:08.680 Right.

00:31:09.440 And they're like, you know, maybe you guys will help us out.

00:31:11.880 This seems like a cool thing that you guys got going on over there.

00:31:14.600 The socialism stuff ain't too bad.

00:31:16.420 But America goes, fuck that.

00:31:19.700 And they basically hit the Israel button as hard as they could, where they were just like,

00:31:24.200 you guys are going to be our, you guys are going to be our, our extension.

00:31:28.700 Right.

00:31:29.200 It's like, um, um, some of my friends say, uh, there are favorite client states and then

00:31:35.220 there are client states that America just discards.

00:31:38.080 Ukraine is obviously a non-favored client state.

00:31:41.420 And that's what happens when you're done with Ukraine, where you're like, I'm done with

00:31:44.920 this, you know, pack it up.

00:31:46.920 Uh, give me all your minerals.

00:31:48.060 Even if you have any, who knows?

00:31:49.620 I don't care.

00:31:50.700 You know, know your place.

00:31:52.860 America does this to the Kurds all the time as well, where they'll just like arm them

00:31:56.540 and be like, yeah, you guys need to get, you guys need to develop a nation state.

00:32:01.020 It'd be nice.

00:32:01.560 Kurds are ethnic minority in the region.

00:32:03.460 Okay.

00:32:04.060 Um, 35 million people in the, in the middle East.

00:32:07.260 Uh, 35 million people, uh, don't have a nation state.

00:32:10.880 Uh, a lot of them live in Turkey.

00:32:12.720 So kind of homeless Iraq.

00:32:14.400 Well, yeah, yes and no.

00:32:15.780 And, and there's like varying degrees of cruelty that they're subjected to in these countries

00:32:19.840 as like an ethnic minority.

00:32:21.220 My country included in Turkey.

00:32:23.040 Wow.

00:32:23.540 And, um, they want to, they want to build a nation state.

00:32:27.380 They got an autonomous region in Iraq.

00:32:28.900 Now, uh, they're in Syria as well.

00:32:31.680 Uh, they're in Iran as well.

00:32:33.160 And then they're trying to figure it out.

00:32:34.960 Yeah.

00:32:35.400 So America will go up to them and be like, we're going to arm you guys.

00:32:38.180 We're going to train you guys.

00:32:39.260 Go fuck shit up.

00:32:40.560 And then as soon as they're done, they, they just discard them.

00:32:44.140 And they're like, okay, go.

00:32:45.440 You can, they'll tell Turkey, you can go and, you know, bomb these villages that they're

00:32:48.780 in.

00:32:48.940 Who cares?

00:32:49.420 It doesn't matter anymore.

00:32:50.620 So what you're saying, I think it's like that, that's one of the things that makes it

00:32:54.320 tougher.

00:32:54.540 The more information you learn, I think in the world, it's like the shittier things seem.

00:32:59.660 Yeah.

00:32:59.960 In some ways, but the reality of things, you just see the reality.

00:33:03.160 It's like, yeah, you need, and if you were playing a game of risk and you were these

00:33:08.260 dictate, you were these powerful people, how would you operate?

00:33:11.940 And yeah, it just gets to, it gets to be tough to find out, okay, well then what is being

00:33:18.100 an American still mean to me?

00:33:19.700 And then also that things are so conflicting and dangerous out there amongst these like

00:33:26.140 leaders and powers that you have to, you have to like kind of put a flag in something

00:33:33.160 for yourself, you know, um, just to kind of get to, cause otherwise you'll just be sort

00:33:39.380 of aimless.

00:33:40.060 It feels like, um, well, I mean, I think I, I don't know if I'm even explaining that fully

00:33:44.920 right, but you got to stand for something.

00:33:46.780 Is that what you're saying?

00:33:47.500 If you don't stand for something, you fall for everything.

00:33:49.720 Yeah.

00:33:50.020 So here's what I think is like, the more we learn about, um, history and the more we learn

00:33:54.880 about just like, um, the, the, like, well, America did these things and some of it, 9-11

00:34:03.040 could have been the result of some of that.

00:34:04.400 Just as more as you start to learn that America hasn't always been this perfect partner in this,

00:34:09.280 that it's just starts to test like, okay, well, what does it mean to be an American to

00:34:13.560 me?

00:34:14.060 But then at the same time, you need to be an American because you live in a country that's

00:34:19.480 safe and you're able to operate here within the country.

00:34:22.600 So it's, I don't know, it just makes it kind of interesting.

00:34:25.160 Does that make sense?

00:34:25.980 No, I get it.

00:34:26.860 What you're, what you're exhibiting is a, is a very normal contradiction that a lot of

00:34:31.920 Americans, uh, when faced with the reality of American foreign policy, they, they come to

00:34:37.360 terms with this, like they try to, they try to resolve this contradiction where on the

00:34:40.940 one hand, you're saying, well, I'm an American.

00:34:42.860 I like the security blanket that I exist under.

00:34:46.000 Right.

00:34:46.440 But also simultaneously, simultaneously, you're like, but damn, we're doing a lot of fucked

00:34:50.840 up shit around the world.

00:34:52.480 Um, I mean, look, I'm a, I'm a, people always yell at me and say, oh, Hassan, you only say

00:34:57.980 America bad.

00:34:59.420 Uh, but I don't just stop at that.

00:35:01.580 Like I, I want America to be good.

00:35:03.760 I think America has an incredible potential.

00:35:05.880 It's the wealthiest nation on the planet.

00:35:07.820 It should be doing so much more, uh, to, to help its own citizens and so much more to

00:35:15.060 lead the way, pave the way for a new evolution of the way that we look at international relations

00:35:20.120 than the way that we, uh, engage with conflict.

00:35:23.040 Um, but the reason why America is the way it is, is because I see it as basically, you

00:35:29.140 know, 50 corporations in a trench suit.

00:35:30.900 Like it's just, uh, it's, it's a holdover to, to extract tax revenue from everyday Americans

00:35:37.820 and then give it directly back to corporations in the form of subsidies without ever regulating

00:35:42.740 them and, and, you know, demanding anything in return.

00:35:46.240 I think one of the best examples of this was when, you know, Russia invaded Ukraine and

00:35:52.880 then Russia is also part of OPEC plus.

00:35:54.680 So they went back to Saudi Arabia.

00:35:56.160 Take us back.

00:35:56.780 Our listeners, if we get too much information, a lot of them don't.

00:36:01.540 They're going to tune it out.

00:36:02.540 Well, they just, I think it's, if it's new information for me, I shouldn't say them.

00:36:06.460 If it's new information for me, it's hard for me to go along.

00:36:08.700 So why are you throwing them under the bus?

00:36:11.320 I know.

00:36:11.980 I am.

00:36:12.500 My bad guys.

00:36:13.760 I'm the, I am the problem.

00:36:15.200 So, but OPEC is the oil.

00:36:17.400 Yeah.

00:36:18.040 So OPEC is the, like an oil NATO.

00:36:20.060 Yeah.

00:36:20.280 Yeah.

00:36:20.900 Basically.

00:36:21.380 Exactly.

00:36:21.660 It's a cartel.

00:36:22.500 Okay.

00:36:22.900 That's what it is.

00:36:23.560 It's a, it's a, it's a group of, of, uh, countries that have oil reserves that basically

00:36:30.880 set the, the price of oil barrels.

00:36:33.860 Okay.

00:36:34.280 And Saudi Arabia is pretty dominant because like they have, um, you know, I mean, they,

00:36:38.920 they are the oil gods basically.

00:36:40.580 They're the big gold.

00:36:40.600 They're damp.

00:36:41.060 Yeah.

00:36:41.780 And yeah, the organization of petroleum exporting countries and, uh, Russia basically went back

00:36:47.780 to OPEC and was like.

00:36:49.040 Organization of petroleum exporting countries.

00:36:50.660 Yeah.

00:36:50.940 Okay.

00:36:51.060 Yeah.

00:36:51.320 At the time, Russia had a lot to, you know, a lot to gain from and all these other countries

00:36:57.680 had a lot to also gain from basically limiting the price of, uh, or limiting the supply of

00:37:02.840 oil.

00:37:03.700 Um, you know, we're in the post COVID era too.

00:37:05.980 And then like, they're also, um, they were also making a lot of money in, or they had lost

00:37:11.720 a lot of revenue.

00:37:12.400 So they wanted to recoup because nobody was like flying around or using oil because everyone

00:37:17.600 was like stuck at home.

00:37:18.820 Oil's been down.

00:37:19.920 So they, um, they were recouping on those losses by just basically saying demand is on

00:37:25.540 an all time high.

00:37:26.580 We're not going to produce, uh, you know, we're not going to keep up with that demand

00:37:30.520 to make sure that we stabilize the prices.

00:37:32.660 Right.

00:37:32.960 So they're saying, oh, there's only so much oil, even though there's as much as they're

00:37:35.180 want, they, they kind of want.

00:37:36.480 Oh yeah.

00:37:36.600 They could have produced way more.

00:37:37.840 Right.

00:37:38.020 So the point I was going to make is, uh, Brandon went back to Saudi Arabia, you know, he shook

00:37:43.540 hands with MBS and was like, Hey, Brandon, Brandon, Joe, Brandon, Joe Biden.

00:37:48.360 Oh, Joe Biden.

00:37:49.060 Yeah.

00:37:49.400 He went to, he went to Saudi Arabia.

00:37:51.380 He was like, come on, Jack, you know, produce more oil.

00:37:54.580 Come on, don't do it.

00:37:55.760 And, and, uh, they were like, nope.

00:37:58.180 Um, the reason why I'm telling this convoluted story is because then we have American oil and

00:38:05.100 gas industry providers, right?

00:38:06.660 Like we have our own oil.

00:38:08.740 Everybody always talks about how we, we have independence, like energy independence in America.

00:38:14.540 So he went back to the American oil and gas industry and was like, all right, you guys

00:38:19.600 have to, you know, produce more oil because you have to offset what like OPEC is doing.

00:38:24.680 And you know what they said?

00:38:26.320 Fuck you.

00:38:27.200 That's what they said.

00:38:28.520 They get, they rely, the oil and gas producers in this country, the fossil fuel industry gets

00:38:33.000 80% of our energy subsidies.

00:38:34.580 It's like billions of dollars that they get.

00:38:37.660 So they get kickbacks from the government, not even a kickback, like government collects

00:38:42.920 taxes and then government gives these companies, whether they're in agriculture or whether they're

00:38:48.340 in the oil and gas industry, they give money to these companies to keep prices relatively

00:38:52.360 low, to keep up with the cost of the production, right?

00:38:55.660 They're like, Hey, we're going to give you this money.

00:38:57.280 So you keep prices low, but in a time, Oh, because the gut, cause that company owns so

00:39:02.900 much of the actual market of whatever that product is that if they wanted to adjust it,

00:39:07.240 they could do it.

00:39:08.040 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:09.180 I didn't even know that.

00:39:09.740 And they didn't, they didn't provide, they just didn't supply, uh, the federal government

00:39:14.840 with more oil.

00:39:15.680 Like they just did not, um, they did not produce more in the time to stabilize prices.

00:39:21.820 And you got like the oil lobby guys going on CNBC and actively being like, we have a fiduciary

00:39:28.480 responsibility to our shareholders to maximize profit.

00:39:32.040 We don't care if the, you know, we don't care if the prices are high, you know, sucks to suck

00:39:37.220 because our profits are great.

00:39:39.360 And the reason why I explained all this is because I think that's a perfect demonstration

00:39:44.100 of how America operates, like the American government operates rather, where it serves

00:39:49.580 corporations, not the people.

00:39:51.420 And then you got China on the other hand, where like, it's, you know, they got billionaires

00:39:56.180 too.

00:39:56.460 They got massive corporations too, but those corporations serve the government.

00:40:00.980 Now that can be bad, but, uh, if the government is, is, uh, you know, interested in, in, uh,

00:40:08.540 uplifting the great, uh, the public good and, and doing like even development or whatever,

00:40:13.080 then ultimately they just can force corporations hands to do whatever they want.

00:40:17.480 Um, yeah, I mean, like, like you're saying, it's like, yeah, the more you learn it's, um,

00:40:23.900 you have to then decide, okay, you almost have to differentiate.

00:40:29.560 Well, what does it mean to be an American to me?

00:40:32.520 You know, because if I stay here and I sleep under this banner of America where I can make

00:40:37.400 money and I can have, and there's a welfare system and I'll be at there, you know, people

00:40:41.740 have ideas of whether they're good or bad and those, uh, but, but that I stay here, I can

00:40:47.460 continue to stay here.

00:40:48.200 I keep myself here.

00:40:49.120 This is where I choose to be, you know, in the safety of this place, you know, it's like,

00:40:56.920 well, how complicit am I?

00:40:58.020 Or am I just an American?

00:40:59.000 And this is, this is the, I got blessed into this place and this is where I am.

00:41:02.820 And if somebody else weren't born into this place and they were in a place that were,

00:41:06.760 you know, more hostile and scary to live in and sleep in and try to survive in, wouldn't

00:41:11.320 they be praying that they would be here or that they would have some of the same things?

00:41:15.020 Does that make any sense?

00:41:17.040 No, it does.

00:41:17.660 Yeah, no.

00:41:18.180 What you're describing, like I said, is, is, uh, what leftists, what leftists call like

00:41:23.120 living in the imperial core.

00:41:24.900 Because if you're in the, if you're in the heart of empire, you at the very least don't

00:41:29.240 suffer the repercussions of being the victims, right?

00:41:32.040 Right.

00:41:32.360 Like you're not, you're not in Guatemala, so you're not getting destabilized by the American

00:41:36.980 government in many instances, like, or at least throughout your history.

00:41:39.660 So you haven't been kept down, uh, and, and therefore your situation in comparison to

00:41:45.460 them is, is going to be a lot better.

00:41:47.420 And then what do I want my life to be like day to day?

00:41:49.260 Do I want it to be this constant net, like, or do I want to not think about those things

00:41:54.880 and think that those are the government's, you know, some of that's the government's

00:41:58.140 responsibility.

00:41:58.640 I do my best to elect and vote in a way that I think is meaningful and vote for the best

00:42:03.560 person.

00:42:04.160 And then I try to enjoy my life and take care of my family and my neighbor.

00:42:07.380 You know, I think it's like, I don't know, that's kind of how I think maybe I start to

00:42:10.960 break it down in my head, you know?

00:42:12.320 Yeah.

00:42:12.980 So, um, that bait, that, that what you were describing right there is, is, uh, basically

00:42:20.060 the heart of, I wouldn't say the problem necessarily, but that, that is why a lot of people just like

00:42:25.720 tune out because they feel just powerless at the end of the day.

00:42:28.300 You know, you got your protests, you vote, and then these guys do whatever the fuck they

00:42:32.260 want to do.

00:42:32.620 What am I supposed to do is like the, the attitude that the average citizen has in this country.

00:42:37.940 And, you know, that's why things slowly, but surely seemingly get worse year over year.

00:42:44.260 Maybe not for you and I, cause like, I mean, we're, we're relatively successful, but for

00:42:48.840 like average people, for everyday people, shit is fucked up and they recognize it, but they

00:42:54.900 don't know who is responsible for it.

00:42:57.020 And they become so malleable and so open, uh, to, to responding to anybody that will look

00:43:03.340 at, uh, anybody that will recognize their frustration and say, it's actually because

00:43:08.120 of this and that.

00:43:09.160 And I think Trump tapped into that so perfectly.

00:43:11.840 And that's why he won.

00:43:13.720 That's why he defeated the Democrats so handily because he was like, yes, you're angry.

00:43:18.940 I'm angry too.

00:43:19.760 Why are you angry?

00:43:20.600 Cause woke libtards.

00:43:22.100 Cause DEI, cause trans people, cause, uh, you know, undocumented immigrants, undocumented

00:43:28.420 immigrants.

00:43:28.840 Aren't your fucking landlord.

00:43:30.100 They're not the one who's raising the price of rent.

00:43:32.260 They don't own the, they don't own the mega corporations.

00:43:35.400 They don't, they're not, they're not sitting at the board of BlackRock.

00:43:37.520 You know what I mean?

00:43:38.060 It's not a Guatemalan migrant that's sitting at the board of BlackRock, uh, purchasing all

00:43:42.120 the fucking houses or they're not the real estate developers that refuse to, you know,

00:43:47.020 uh, uh, add to the like much needed supply of housing.

00:43:51.660 Yeah.

00:43:52.080 And instead put a fucking rag and bone in every town.

00:43:55.580 I fucking hate rag and bone.

00:43:57.220 It's just like, dude, don't tear down cool areas and just put up a rag and bone, dude.

00:44:01.080 It's not fucking cool, but no, I, man, it's interesting.

00:44:04.400 I never really heard it put like that.

00:44:05.880 Like, and then of course the other things you say, these other things to people that

00:44:10.880 doesn't feel, you got to point, you have to approach people with something they can

00:44:15.840 point a finger at and it's whatever they're pointing at is close enough where they feel

00:44:20.920 like it can be reached.

00:44:23.980 Yeah.

00:44:24.560 Like those are things that it's like, um, but also those are things like you, you, you

00:44:29.580 label, like Trump talked about them last night on some of the congressional address.

00:44:33.460 I think it was the party address last night.

00:44:36.540 Yeah.

00:44:36.860 Uh, he, he did a, he did like a fake state of the union.

00:44:39.520 It was a joint congressional address.

00:44:40.840 Joint congressional address.

00:44:41.540 Yeah.

00:44:41.780 Cause he talked about some of those things like DEI.

00:44:44.760 Um, yeah, bro.

00:44:45.820 They, they cut DEI.

00:44:47.040 Now planes are fucking falling out of the sky, man.

00:44:48.980 We need to bring Pete Buttigieg back as the transportation secretary.

00:44:52.780 He needs to fix the problem.

00:44:54.140 Was he a dog in there?

00:44:54.880 No, we need black pilots.

00:44:56.980 Dude.

00:44:57.120 First of all, black people can jump better.

00:44:58.980 So are you not going to have a fucking black dude in a plane, bro?

00:45:03.300 I don't know.

00:45:03.940 I don't know about the jumping.

00:45:05.100 I don't know.

00:45:05.620 I don't know how to factor into the, to the, to the pilot program.

00:45:11.060 But still, dude, you, if I see, if I saw Michael Jordan in the cockpit, that bitch, we're

00:45:15.320 going to stay up.

00:45:16.060 That's how I'm feeling.

00:45:16.840 Oh, 100%.

00:45:17.560 Like that's where I feel.

00:45:18.760 Now I, now, now I, I think, you know, now we, if I get on a plane and I see a white

00:45:25.340 man, that dude better be in a polyamorous relationship.

00:45:28.780 Okay.

00:45:29.300 I need that dude sucking dick.

00:45:31.500 Okay.

00:45:31.920 I need, I need something.

00:45:33.920 I need, if he's straight and he's a, he's a straight white male, that plane is falling,

00:45:38.500 dude.

00:45:39.040 That's what's going on.

00:45:40.400 Trump came in.

00:45:41.240 He killed DEI every day.

00:45:42.780 There's another fucking plane crash.

00:45:44.360 But is it white dudes doing it?

00:45:46.200 Here's the thing.

00:45:46.820 I'm fucking around.

00:45:47.800 It's not, I'm not being serious, even though, even though Republicans do think that that

00:45:52.080 is real, where they're like, Oh, if there's a black woman pilot, that's why planes are falling.

00:45:55.740 It's like, no dumb ass is because of fucking capitalism.

00:45:58.360 Like they've, they've literally undercut every aspect of production to make more money.

00:46:03.360 They constantly outsource.

00:46:05.040 They constantly send certain aspects of manufacturing to, to other countries where there's like less

00:46:10.880 regulation and less restrictions that makes them more money.

00:46:14.240 And that's why fucking planes are, you know, the doors are exploding and shit while they're

00:46:19.100 flying in the, is that one of the, is that one of the real reasons you think it's going

00:46:21.580 on?

00:46:21.840 That's 100% the reason why it's going on.

00:46:24.300 Bring it up.

00:46:24.620 See if we can.

00:46:25.120 That's a good question.

00:46:25.940 Why are, why?

00:46:26.840 Cause it, there seems to be these little times in history where it's like, okay, for this

00:46:31.460 year, it's almost like they press a plane trouble button and it's like, Oh, now there's

00:46:35.660 plane trouble.

00:46:36.220 Well, that's also because, uh, you know, minor incidents happen all the time, but the media

00:46:42.080 hyper focuses on them when it becomes like a hot button topic.

00:46:44.860 That's what it is.

00:46:46.120 Um, and, and there are obviously freak accidents as well.

00:46:49.400 Like they all freak accidents happen, but I think, um, there's never really like a, like

00:46:55.320 a perfect example, like a perfect demonstration of why these things are happening more frequently.

00:47:01.180 Yeah.

00:47:02.440 Let me see what this even says.

00:47:04.100 No, there were actually more plane crashes between January 1st, 2024 and February 1st,

00:47:07.860 2024.

00:47:08.400 When you compare the same time period this year to last year.

00:47:12.600 Um, so there were more crashes.

00:47:15.520 Yeah.

00:47:15.800 But the difference is the, the, um, the, the severity of like one big crash and then people

00:47:22.400 hyper-focus on it.

00:47:23.340 This happened with, uh, Palestine, Ohio.

00:47:26.300 Uh, remember when the train derailment happened and everybody was like, why aren't they covering

00:47:30.740 this?

00:47:31.160 Well, you know, I'm, I, I'm a little bit of a farmer.

00:47:34.400 I love, I love trains.

00:47:35.620 Maybe it's because of the autism, but like, you know how many train derailments happening

00:47:39.780 every year, every single year, a thousand, some of them are minor, some of them are major,

00:47:45.360 right?

00:47:46.480 So every single person hyper-focused on this understandably, because like they try to do

00:47:51.060 a shitty ass coverup for it and be like, oh no, everything is fine.

00:47:54.680 And there was gas leaking.

00:47:56.440 Yeah.

00:47:56.660 There was death.

00:47:57.180 Yeah.

00:47:57.400 Oh, you just feel itchy.

00:47:58.540 It's normal.

00:47:59.060 Just keep drinking the water.

00:48:01.220 It's fine that it's green, you know, shut up.

00:48:03.440 But, uh, because of that, then everybody started focusing on all these derailments and they were

00:48:08.320 like, what the hell's going on?

00:48:09.340 And it's like, there's a lot of that that happens all the time.

00:48:12.260 It's just the media doesn't pay attention to it because if you paid attention to it all

00:48:16.180 the time, you go crazy.

00:48:17.080 It's like crime, right?

00:48:18.300 Crime in big cities.

00:48:19.580 It's a constant.

00:48:20.800 Oh yeah.

00:48:21.440 You know, that is a buddy of mine was staying with me and he's from like the suburbs of

00:48:27.860 Portland, right?

00:48:28.860 Just like a very white neighborhood.

00:48:31.120 And I'm living, I live in the middle of West Hollywood and you know, LA is not like New

00:48:36.200 York or whatever, but it's still a city, right?

00:48:38.320 Like every time he heard firecrackers or whatever, like a fireworks or whatever, he would freak

00:48:44.040 out.

00:48:44.260 He's like, is that gunshots?

00:48:45.180 I'm like, no man, that's just fireworks.

00:48:47.660 Like, what are you talking about?

00:48:49.100 Uh, and then he would hear like, you know, ambulances or police sirens and he'd freak

00:48:53.720 out.

00:48:54.040 Cause like if you live in a suburb and you hear police sirens, yeah, some, some crazy

00:48:59.860 happened, right?

00:49:00.620 But if you live in a city, you hear it all the time as background noise.

00:49:03.800 Cause you know, there's always shit happening.

00:49:05.920 There's, you know, tens of millions of people around.

00:49:08.740 Um, so how are you saying that relates to this?

00:49:10.680 Um, the, what, what, what I mean by that is if you pay attention to it with apps, like,

00:49:15.780 you know, next door and citizen and ring and all this stuff, you start realizing that like

00:49:21.960 it's happening all the time and it makes you go crazy.

00:49:24.840 Uh, same with train derailments, same with plane, uh, you know, plane crashes and whatnot.

00:49:29.680 They're a, they're a normal part of this process and you got to look at the data and, and try

00:49:35.700 to figure out if this is like truly unique or not.

00:49:38.380 And in terms of the plane crashes, uh, the, the deadly nature of some of them is unique.

00:49:45.000 Uh, there, there've been some big ones, right?

00:49:47.120 Like with the Ronald Reagan airport one, but outside of that, like, you know, minor bumps at

00:49:50.820 the Seattle airport or whatever, like that's normal.

00:49:53.320 Yeah.

00:49:53.720 And a couple of them were just like these planes almost hit each other and they will show you

00:49:56.100 a video and I watched one of them two times.

00:49:57.620 I'm like, I didn't, that shouldn't even look close to me.

00:49:59.680 They're like, but they just label it that way.

00:50:02.300 It's definitely kind of fascinating.

00:50:03.640 Then once something happens, you start to hyper-focus on it more.

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00:51:18.740 Would you consider yourself a Democrat?

00:51:20.620 What do you consider yourself?

00:51:22.000 No, I'm, I'm a leftist.

00:51:23.320 That's what I, that's what I say, where I'm, I'm very critical of both parties in general.

00:51:28.700 Um, I don't think that either party really represents my interests.

00:51:32.220 Like, the Democrats sometimes will point to things that I care about, and they are, I

00:51:36.940 guess, a little bit closer to the way I see the world than the Republicans are.

00:51:41.240 But, um, you know, I'm, I'm actively critical of both parties.

00:51:45.660 Yeah.

00:51:46.060 Because I, I, I don't care.

00:51:47.560 I don't care about party affiliation.

00:51:48.980 I care about, like, doing right by people.

00:51:50.840 I care about, you know, helping, putting the interests of people over the interests of

00:51:55.680 profits for corporations.

00:51:57.460 Yeah, you know, I don't, I, I hate it when somebody tries to label like, oh, you're mag or

00:52:01.120 you're this type of thing.

00:52:02.160 It's like that.

00:52:03.020 I've never wanted to be put in a box my whole life.

00:52:05.500 I don't feel like there's enough parties really to represent the people.

00:52:08.720 Um, and I think the more information you get and learn, I think a lot of people start

00:52:13.880 to feel that way.

00:52:14.720 Like, I don't, this party really represents me, you know, but then there's such conglomerates

00:52:19.040 of so many different little pieces that they almost feel like, well, I like this person

00:52:23.760 in this one.

00:52:24.280 I like this person on the chess team.

00:52:26.440 So, or this rook.

00:52:27.300 So I'm going to, they will get my vote because they have that player.

00:52:30.920 Right.

00:52:31.340 Yeah.

00:52:31.700 Um, but yeah, I, I think that that's, I think as more people get more information and able

00:52:36.280 to look into things more that, that, that kind of evolves.

00:52:38.980 Um, I think that, uh, there's, there's one thing that transcends party boundaries and

00:52:45.700 I feel like you, uh, exhibit that tendency as well.

00:52:49.440 Uh, and that is dissatisfaction with the government and the, and the two party system anyway.

00:52:54.540 And I think Trump also captured the attention of a lot of people by making it seem like he

00:52:58.760 was totally outside of this dynamic, uh, where he was like, I'm an independent, I'm a billion,

00:53:03.000 I'm rich.

00:53:03.340 I don't give a fuck about either of these parties, you know, vote for me.

00:53:06.220 And that's why you have a lot of people who love Bernie Sanders because he's, he's earnest,

00:53:11.320 he's honest.

00:53:12.240 And it's obvious that he's not like, you know, a democratic party dick rider.

00:53:16.440 Um, and he has a long track record of like constantly doing right by others, constantly

00:53:21.500 advocating for things that like, you know, help people, even if he doesn't have much

00:53:25.600 success, uh, that earnesty has, I think created this, this unique phenomena of people that like

00:53:33.560 Bernie and also Trump, people like yourself, uh, who, who think, well, these guys are anti

00:53:39.220 establishment.

00:53:40.340 Yeah.

00:53:40.920 I think, well, I think one thing about Trump was like, and I, I was like, fuck, it made

00:53:45.020 you believe, cause people, most people knew him like from rap songs, probably from being

00:53:50.940 like a rich white guy, having rich guy hair.

00:53:53.700 And then from being, um, on the apprentice, right?

00:53:57.420 Yeah.

00:53:58.200 Which was a very, you want to know something?

00:54:00.660 Monumental how that all shaped out.

00:54:02.320 You want to know something crazy about the apprentice?

00:54:03.940 It was one of the most diverse shows on network television at the time.

00:54:08.220 Um, it literally was one of the first shows that like prominently featured a bunch of

00:54:14.140 black and Brown people in it, a bunch of gay people in it too.

00:54:17.760 He was woke as hell.

00:54:18.860 That motherfucker was doing DEI before anybody else.

00:54:21.480 Now he switched up.

00:54:22.600 You see this?

00:54:23.680 He switched up.

00:54:25.080 Yeah.

00:54:25.260 I remember he gave flavor, flavor job working and doing it, uh, working at a, um, ice cream

00:54:29.900 shop or something one day.

00:54:31.160 I remember seeing that episode.

00:54:32.240 But so, yeah, I mean, he was like, I, but I just thought there was a moment where it's

00:54:36.380 like, Oh, anybody.

00:54:37.560 Cause you're right.

00:54:38.260 He didn't seem like a political insider.

00:54:39.800 He seemed like, you know, I think he's always been this or notoriously has, it seemed like

00:54:45.280 he's just been this, um, kind of like real estate, shady real estate executive guy, which

00:54:51.420 I think at a certain point, some people were like, Oh, I'll take that.

00:54:55.040 I'll take a ruthless business guy as our president because politics has become a ruthless business.

00:55:03.120 But I think, um, yeah, I think there was a thing like, Oh, anybody could be president.

00:55:06.980 Right.

00:55:07.680 So that in a way felt a little bit like the American dream or at least a little piece of

00:55:11.760 like anybody.

00:55:12.680 There was a feeling like, Oh, he got it.

00:55:15.020 There's cause nobody thought he would win.

00:55:17.360 Yeah, that's true.

00:55:18.140 So I think there was that comeback piece to him.

00:55:20.380 Right.

00:55:20.760 Yeah.

00:55:21.340 Um, but then he was president for four years and people like, Oh, okay.

00:55:24.860 Maybe one, this wasn't so good.

00:55:27.020 And then what did the Democrats do in who did the Democrats put forth?

00:55:32.640 They put forth a cadaver who was like, no, we're going back to business as usual, baby.

00:55:37.820 And Americans were so fatigued by Donald Trump, but they were just like, I don't want to, I

00:55:42.600 don't want to pay attention to the television anymore.

00:55:44.100 Like, sure.

00:55:44.660 I'll vote for this guy instead.

00:55:46.960 And then Brandon wins.

00:55:48.740 And then everyone's like, Oh my God, things are awful.

00:55:51.860 Wars all over the place.

00:55:53.200 Biden, you mean cost.

00:55:54.040 Yeah.

00:55:54.620 Yeah.

00:55:55.000 Yeah.

00:55:55.200 Biden.

00:55:55.660 I just keep saying Brandon.

00:55:56.940 I'm sorry.

00:55:57.420 I'm so used to, I'm so used to calling him Brandon.

00:55:59.860 Well, people say, let's go.

00:56:00.920 Brandon is like a Trump thing.

00:56:02.260 Yeah.

00:56:02.460 Yeah.

00:56:02.580 But then I just don't want people to get confused.

00:56:04.500 Yeah.

00:56:04.700 My bad.

00:56:05.320 So Biden comes in and it, you know, wars everywhere, cost of living crisis.

00:56:11.320 Like a lot of the resentment and anger that people felt in 2016 towards Hillary Clinton because

00:56:17.320 their situation wasn't their situation wasn't so great that caused them to vote for Donald

00:56:21.040 Trump never, it was left unexamined.

00:56:23.560 Like it was never recognized.

00:56:25.420 It was never fixed.

00:56:26.600 Right.

00:56:27.120 So when all the stuff piles on, people are resentful again.

00:56:31.580 And lo and behold, they want to put that mallet.

00:56:34.580 They want to bring the mallet back in to just like hammer the federal government because there's

00:56:38.440 like, we fucking hate this.

00:56:40.080 We hate the, the way things are going.

00:56:42.540 So we'll give this guy a shot again.

00:56:45.860 Um, and that's how you arrive at Trump too.

00:56:48.300 And now he is doing the mallet.

00:56:50.100 He's, he's ripping over the administrative state.

00:56:52.380 He's doing mass layoffs.

00:56:53.640 So the federal regulatory agencies, and it's crazy to me that people don't understand that

00:56:58.500 like these are the same problems that have persisted that he's basically worsening, um,

00:57:05.280 by, by also, you know, removing tens of thousands of people that work for the federal government

00:57:11.780 with like decent paying jobs.

00:57:13.900 I'm a big advocate for more government employees.

00:57:16.180 I think we should have millions more, not less.

00:57:19.780 Give everybody a fucking job.

00:57:21.660 Oh, well, I think that we should have, I think women should get paid so that they can be at

00:57:28.720 home with their children and that that way, or, or a man, if one of them wants to work and

00:57:34.700 then the other one can be at home to be a parent, you know, I wish that that was something

00:57:39.240 that we did with our money.

00:57:40.960 Um, they would never do that though.

00:57:42.580 That's the problem.

00:57:43.220 They hate, there was a case for it at one point.

00:57:45.520 Yeah, I know.

00:57:46.100 But I'm saying like Republicans, especially Democrats won't do either.

00:57:49.200 Cause like both parties kind of like the austerity stuff.

00:57:53.440 Like they, what does austerity mean?

00:57:55.080 Austerity is belt tightening, like fiscal belt tightening as in, you know, uh, lowering expenditures

00:58:00.320 and, and cutting social safety nets basically.

00:58:03.920 Well, I think people are getting to their wits and where it's like, nobody believes that

00:58:06.720 either one of these parties is doing anything.

00:58:08.680 Right.

00:58:09.080 I think you've had the same problems.

00:58:10.780 You've had the same things happen time over time.

00:58:13.400 And maybe some of it at a certain point you realize, well, that's just the cost of business.

00:58:17.000 It's just like, it's just become so bloated.

00:58:19.580 It's become more about them.

00:58:21.020 Like you're saying more about corporations and less about everyday people.

00:58:24.000 Yeah.

00:58:24.160 And that's just what it is.

00:58:25.520 Yeah.

00:58:25.680 It's never been about people, in my opinion, it's like, uh, new deal with a lot of like

00:58:31.560 socialist communist pressure at the time.

00:58:34.060 Uh, FDR's new deal.

00:58:35.520 Yeah.

00:58:35.580 FDR's new deal.

00:58:36.520 What was it?

00:58:37.060 Bring it up.

00:58:38.000 FDR's new deal definitely, uh, brought forth a lot of prosperity to America, like got us

00:58:43.300 out of, uh, the muck of the great depression.

00:58:45.800 The new deal was a series of domestic programs.

00:58:47.660 Sorry to interrupt you.

00:58:48.460 I just want to, uh, was it series of domestic programs, public works projects and financial

00:58:51.860 reforms and regulations enacted by president FDR in us between 33 and 38, 19th and the 1900s

00:58:58.600 with the aim of addressing the great depression, which began in 1929.

00:59:01.520 Wow, dude.

00:59:02.100 So he had to be right on the back of the great depression.

00:59:05.040 Yeah.

00:59:05.360 Cause people always, they always, um, like they'll quote him all the time, you know?

00:59:11.680 Yeah.

00:59:12.440 He, um, he did, he did a lot.

00:59:14.400 Look, he dealt with the pressing bank crisis through the emergency banking act, 1933 banking

00:59:18.820 app, federal emergency relief administration.

00:59:21.560 Uh, we set up, uh, social security.

00:59:24.660 I mean, there's so much, there's so much that they did in that era.

00:59:28.240 Cause like Americans were, were, I mean, they, they were experiencing tremendous, tremendous

00:59:34.420 hardship.

00:59:35.020 So you're saying a lot of this felt like it was done for the people.

00:59:37.860 Yeah.

00:59:38.080 It was done for the people because it was a necessary, uh, it was, it was basically necessary

00:59:43.120 for them to do this at the time because of all of the deregulation in the banking side,

00:59:49.300 uh, with oil barons and, and all these like robber barons basically like picking apart,

00:59:53.940 uh, and, and dominating, uh, everyday American existence and, and the economic collapse that

00:59:59.380 came with that.

01:00:00.460 And then someone had to come in and fix the shit.

01:00:02.820 And I think Donald Trump is, is basically not doing the FDR thing, but the reverse, he's

01:00:08.400 fucking it up and taking it back to like a pre new deal era where.

01:00:12.300 And giving it more towards corporations.

01:00:13.660 You think?

01:00:14.160 Oh, 100%.

01:00:15.080 I mean, he got, he got Elon Musk right there.

01:00:17.120 He's the richest guy on the planet.

01:00:18.400 He's just putting his dick through his weird, ugly egg shaped penis through every single,

01:00:23.920 uh, regulatory agency.

01:00:25.820 Have people seen his penis?

01:00:26.780 I haven't seen that.

01:00:27.480 I don't know.

01:00:27.860 That's what, I don't see that kind of stuff.

01:00:29.520 Yeah.

01:00:29.800 They were, they were saying, they were saying he's got a weird dick.

01:00:32.500 I believe it.

01:00:33.360 First of all, yeah.

01:00:34.300 If, if dude, if I'm Elon Musk, I'm definitely getting a crazy dick.

01:00:37.680 I'm getting a fucking designer dick.

01:00:39.600 I'm getting a two seater.

01:00:41.600 I'll get a damn three seater caught.

01:00:43.620 Yeah.

01:00:43.840 They're saying suicide doors on my, if I'm Elon Musk.

01:00:48.700 But here's what I would say is to, to kind of, to kind of the thing about Elon is like,

01:00:52.660 or just to discuss it really.

01:00:54.600 Um, I think people are like, we don't give a fuck who's auditing this thing.

01:00:59.760 And finally there's like, oh, this is the person to audit.

01:01:03.020 This is the person that's going to audit.

01:01:04.320 This is somebody we can blame if something fucks up.

01:01:06.980 This is somebody that at least they're saying that they're going to audit the government.

01:01:10.860 Like why, why do we even have to audit our own government?

01:01:14.920 Well, we, we have, see, that's the problem.

01:01:16.660 We already have an auditing agency.

01:01:18.440 So these guys unironically created an additional agency, which is redundant to eliminate redundancy.

01:01:26.340 And that's interesting.

01:01:27.500 The, the unfortunate side of this is that, um, they don't know what the fuck they're doing.

01:01:32.780 So they go in and they just like pull data and they basically make these public declarations

01:01:40.100 about, you know, a billion dollars is going to this or that.

01:01:43.500 Oh yeah.

01:01:43.640 Like they, they straight up lied.

01:01:45.080 They were like, oh yeah, we already cut like $200 billion of funds.

01:01:47.820 And then like the New York times and all these other like actual investigative reporters went

01:01:51.200 in, looked at the data and they were like, dude, that's a lot.

01:01:54.400 Like there's one instance where they claimed that they cut $8 billion and they actually cut

01:01:59.900 $8 million.

01:02:00.740 Like, how do you carry over so many goddamn zeros?

01:02:04.520 They're just like, ah, fuck it.

01:02:05.440 Who cares?

01:02:06.340 Um, no one will fact check it.

01:02:07.880 No one will look it up.

01:02:08.820 Well, the crazy thing is though, now you have, you have whoever our, our, our, our original

01:02:14.760 auditing system was.

01:02:15.760 And then you have this second, and now we have this second auditing system, but dude,

01:02:19.120 it goes to like, it's so like, I'll have a, um, I'll have a financial, like an investment

01:02:28.040 banker.

01:02:28.600 Right.

01:02:28.920 But I, there's times and I probably should want, I want to hire somebody to audit my financial

01:02:36.960 advisor.

01:02:37.500 Cause I'm like, is this guy stealing money from me?

01:02:40.160 You know, cause you hear so many stories of people getting stolen from just like entertainment,

01:02:43.520 different industries, whatever.

01:02:44.540 But it starts to be like, I don't even know who to trust anymore.

01:02:48.040 And I think that's where most people feel like it is.

01:02:50.600 It's like, I don't know if most people necessarily feel like, um, that Elon or Doge is the best,

01:02:57.040 but it's like, now it feels like, okay, well there's a government system that's supposed

01:03:00.720 to be doing this.

01:03:01.260 And then there's a privatized system that's supposed to be doing this now.

01:03:05.240 Who's the crook?

01:03:07.240 Who knows?

01:03:08.100 But then I think people look to Elon and they say, well, at least he came when he bought Twitter,

01:03:13.220 which was a brave thing to do.

01:03:14.680 It felt like it, it opened up more opportunity for free speech.

01:03:20.200 Like things you couldn't share on there six years ago, you could share on there now.

01:03:24.420 I'm not saying all that's true.

01:03:25.740 I think it sucks now.

01:03:27.320 I used to love Twitter.

01:03:28.740 Twitter's got bad.

01:03:29.680 It's scary.

01:03:30.280 It was already like kind of lame.

01:03:31.940 Cause like, yeah, when it was owned by liberals, it was like also, it also wasn't, you know,

01:03:37.360 the most fun platform I will say, but at least there was like some semblance of regulation

01:03:43.260 where it didn't feel like, you know, it, it didn't feel like the, the madhouse that it

01:03:48.800 is now where, I mean, I know that it's like my algorithm as well.

01:03:53.460 I'm sure.

01:03:53.860 Cause I'm in politics.

01:03:54.780 So I see a lot of political shit, but bro, there's like, I mean, here, I saw this this

01:03:59.620 morning.

01:04:00.380 There's a guy who straight up said Adam Schiff raped a minor at Chateau Marmont and it has

01:04:08.700 70,000 likes.

01:04:09.980 And I'm like, what the fuck?

01:04:11.380 It's like a QAnon thing.

01:04:12.760 I know.

01:04:13.180 I saw that.

01:04:13.880 There's so many.

01:04:15.100 No, it's not even this.

01:04:16.340 There was a dude who like, no, this is, that's not even Adam.

01:04:19.020 That is, that's fucking.

01:04:20.180 If you look at, no, no, that's Anthony Bourdain.

01:04:22.380 They're saying Anthony Bourdain saw him rape the minor.

01:04:25.480 And that's why they actually killed Anthony Bourdain.

01:04:28.120 That's their QAnon loves talking about how Anthony Bourdain saw like Hillary Clinton chop

01:04:32.360 babies up or whatever.

01:04:33.500 And he was right about to come out against them.

01:04:35.980 Um, but if you look up TrueAnon, um, TrueAnon actually, uh, no, no, TrueAnon on Twitter.

01:04:42.820 What is TrueAnon?

01:04:43.620 Is it a cool source?

01:04:44.620 Uh, TrueAnon is my, uh, my friend's podcast.

01:04:47.100 It's the number one anti-pedophilia podcast out there.

01:04:50.020 No way.

01:04:51.360 And then keep scrolling.

01:04:52.920 They posted it.

01:04:53.620 Oh, here it is.

01:04:54.160 Here it is.

01:04:54.580 Awakened outlaw.

01:04:55.380 That's the one.

01:04:56.500 The witness is anonymous, anonymously.

01:04:58.900 One of the most persistent QAnon believes is the huge number of people think that, you

01:05:02.160 know, some of us remember when you raped a dead child, 76,000 likes.

01:05:08.580 Damn, bro.

01:05:09.680 That's crazy.

01:05:10.640 Like I fucking hate Adam Schiff.

01:05:12.800 Right.

01:05:12.940 Okay.

01:05:13.460 Yeah.

01:05:13.920 Trump's funniest thing is when he calls him Adam shit.

01:05:16.100 Okay.

01:05:16.600 I hate him.

01:05:17.280 He's my, he's my fucking Congress person.

01:05:19.940 He sucks.

01:05:21.060 All right.

01:05:21.900 Massive pro Israel guy.

01:05:23.980 That's an insane thing.

01:05:25.660 You, you are a fucking schizo.

01:05:28.220 Like what the fuck?

01:05:29.380 But that's the crazy thing.

01:05:30.500 Now people will just, you see things and then you start to believe it.

01:05:33.240 Oh dude, I realized Twitter starts to like, it'll start to rot my mind.

01:05:36.820 I'll start to get, and then it feeds you something.

01:05:39.360 It's like, that's a scary.

01:05:40.880 And that's another scary thing just about social media.

01:05:43.400 It's about where we're at.

01:05:44.380 Things just feel so, you don't know what to, you'll open it up.

01:05:48.720 You'll close it.

01:05:49.360 Now you're furious.

01:05:50.400 All you were doing was looking for something on your phone.

01:05:52.420 Yeah.

01:05:52.820 You're bored for 10 seconds.

01:05:53.980 You opened it up.

01:05:54.680 Now you got two links to some shit.

01:05:56.420 Now you're furious.

01:05:57.340 Now you close it.

01:05:58.160 Now you're back in the grocery store where you were a minute ago.

01:06:00.480 You're on the fucking food aisle, but now you are apeshit insane that a kid, a deceased

01:06:06.920 kid somewhere hypothetically got molested by a.

01:06:11.020 By a sitting American represent, like an American congressperson.

01:06:14.780 Yeah.

01:06:15.360 Yeah.

01:06:15.660 And then it's like, you want to buy a pussy fart coin or whatever.

01:06:19.000 And then you don't even know what to do.

01:06:20.620 Retardio.

01:06:21.220 Yes.

01:06:21.540 It's like, oh, Retardio is going to the moon and you have all these fucking clan members

01:06:26.180 or whatever trying to sell it.

01:06:27.320 Like just, it just, it's gotten, it's crazy.

01:06:31.440 But that's what I mean.

01:06:32.220 Like they, it was like, it was different crazy before, but it was, it was definitely not whatever

01:06:38.040 the fuck this is.

01:06:39.040 And there's so much bottom of the barrel shit too, because of the monetization stuff.

01:06:43.480 Like people, one of my favorite, funniest things that I experienced all the time on

01:06:49.000 Twitter is like, you got like, you know, Genoa radio or like saving the white race, or we

01:06:54.500 got to save the West accounts, right?

01:06:56.120 Like they have all these fucking accounts.

01:06:57.980 Every single motherfucker on those accounts is from India.

01:07:01.740 Every single motherfucker that does the, we must preserve the white race.

01:07:05.500 Every single one of them is, is operating those accounts out of India.

01:07:08.460 Wow.

01:07:09.100 Because.

01:07:09.720 Why?

01:07:10.080 I wonder.

01:07:10.680 What do you mean?

01:07:11.300 Because you make like 10, $15.

01:07:13.020 That goes a long way in India as opposed to, as opposed to like a, like a real racist

01:07:17.620 in America.

01:07:18.400 Well, that's DEI at another level.

01:07:19.580 That's how you think about it.

01:07:20.560 Yeah.

01:07:20.780 They're using all of those accounts.

01:07:22.660 Like there's all of those big prominent, like, you know, uh, white culture accounts.

01:07:28.040 Oh yeah.

01:07:28.660 Honkies shit.

01:07:29.360 Honkies do it better or whatever.

01:07:30.940 Well, I don't know about the honkies one, but cause honky seems like, uh, you know, I don't

01:07:35.200 think a dude in India knows what a honky is, but.

01:07:37.080 But I'm talking like the, the, um, the culture critique, uh, save the white race accounts

01:07:43.380 and all those like defend Europa accounts.

01:07:44.960 Like every single one of them is like, it's like a Malaysian dude.

01:07:47.800 You know what I mean?

01:07:48.580 And he's just like, yeah, I'm gonna make $50 this month.

01:07:51.080 That's a big, you know, that's good.

01:07:52.580 Save the white race.

01:07:53.340 Yeah.

01:07:53.540 He's just in there.

01:07:54.140 And, and, and, you know, they post like the, the shittiest fucking videos as well.

01:07:59.800 It's unbelievable.

01:08:00.780 It's addicting to a fucking too much porn.

01:08:03.880 It's too much porn because I'll be strong.

01:08:05.340 I'll be trying to take care of myself doing decently.

01:08:07.440 I'll just see something, an edge of a tit or something flies by.

01:08:11.340 It's just, or, and then it just is like, you get, you can just get stuck pretty easy

01:08:15.520 jerking off or whatever it gets.

01:08:17.420 And then I get sad and then I get ashamed of myself.

01:08:19.660 And then I just, and then I don't even sleep in my bed on those.

01:08:21.940 Like dude, on nights like that, I will sleep on the couch.

01:08:24.540 It's almost like, I don't need, it's like.

01:08:26.220 Damn.

01:08:26.920 I know.

01:08:27.400 It's like, I'm a, it's like I'm divorced in my own fucking.

01:08:29.720 And I just live alone.

01:08:30.720 And it's like, it's almost like I'm a husband that got caught jerking off.

01:08:35.500 So now you're sleeping out on the couch.

01:08:37.140 You got to resolve that, man.

01:08:38.240 There's nothing wrong with jerking off, especially before you go to sleep.

01:08:40.940 You know, it's like a nightcap.

01:08:42.440 Yeah, kind of.

01:08:43.120 But if you had so many nightcaps over like 20, 30 years, you're like, oh, I'm fucking,

01:08:47.580 I'm an alcoholic at this point, you know?

01:08:50.060 I don't know.

01:08:50.380 I mean, I've never, I feel like, I feel like there's a time and place for that in my,

01:08:55.160 in my regimen.

01:08:56.520 You know what I mean?

01:08:57.220 It's like right before I go to sleep.

01:09:00.140 It's the perfect time to do it.

01:09:01.700 There's never been a moment where I like in the middle of the day, I'm like, yeah,

01:09:04.400 I've never been that guy.

01:09:05.580 Shit.

01:09:05.860 I got to crank it.

01:09:06.820 But I feel like a lot of those like porn addiction guys are like that.

01:09:09.540 So I'm like, yeah, it's not, it's not for me, but maybe you should stop porn.

01:09:14.580 That's how I feel when I, when I hear about some of their stories.

01:09:17.860 Oh yeah.

01:09:18.380 I had a buddy who had curtains put inside of his car and he would go and just close them

01:09:21.420 off so he could sit in his car and masturbate without feeling like, you know, like people

01:09:25.540 were going to point at him or whatever.

01:09:27.560 What the?

01:09:28.180 Yo, that dude needs to be institutionalized.

01:09:32.020 What do you mean?

01:09:33.480 No, put a fucking stray jacket on that motherfucker.

01:09:36.220 Stop.

01:09:37.300 He's got to, he's got to be put in a room like, like train spotting.

01:09:40.100 Like he's got to quit cold turkey.

01:09:41.520 Like he's quitting heroin.

01:09:43.000 In Soho, that's considered off Broadway.

01:09:45.380 Yeah.

01:09:45.460 No, no way, dude.

01:09:46.640 No.

01:09:46.920 Render him immobile for like a week.

01:09:48.800 Like, and oh my God, the amount of, the amount of energy that he probably has in there, trapped

01:09:55.140 in there.

01:09:55.600 If he doesn't jerk off for a week, he's going to start levitating.

01:09:57.860 He's going to come out of there like, like a God.

01:10:01.740 His car to start running on his own, on his own semen or whatever.

01:10:06.320 I shouldn't have said that part.

01:10:07.080 But, um, you had Bernie Sanders on your show.

01:10:10.980 I did.

01:10:11.300 Yeah.

01:10:11.360 Pretty cool, man.

01:10:12.280 How awesome was that?

01:10:13.360 Yeah.

01:10:13.560 He's, he's the man.

01:10:14.480 I love Bernie.

01:10:15.260 Did you find it interesting that people cheered so much against him when they said that he

01:10:18.440 also took money during like, remember that a couple of months ago?

01:10:21.580 Not a, not a judgment against him.

01:10:22.940 I think all these people, I think when you get into politics, right, it's almost like

01:10:26.880 being in a big family.

01:10:28.160 And if you want something done, it feels like you have to, there's, it's almost just

01:10:32.360 like money from what though?

01:10:33.860 Well, what did they say that he took money from who?

01:10:35.620 Oh, RFK said it.

01:10:36.840 That was during that, during when he was interviewing RFK.

01:10:40.400 During RFK's hearing that Bernie was taking money from him.

01:10:42.920 Yeah.

01:10:43.160 That's, that's not, yeah, that's not correct.

01:10:45.060 He never got money from the pharmaceutical industry, like from the, from the big corporate

01:10:48.640 lobbyists.

01:10:49.340 He probably got, so the way this works on, uh, open secrets is like, and let me just read

01:10:55.000 it.

01:10:55.420 So just so you can read it.

01:10:56.800 The figure cited by Kennedy referred to the industry in which individual donors were employed.

01:11:00.500 Uh, yeah.

01:11:01.500 Okay.

01:11:02.220 Oh, cause Kennedy said that he, that, um, Bernie Sanders got a certain amount of money.

01:11:06.660 Yeah.

01:11:06.920 And this is just a clip.

01:11:07.860 This is, this is actually goes perfect example of what we've been talking about.

01:11:10.720 We see a clip of something, right?

01:11:12.900 Um, in 2020, this was the claim.

01:11:15.960 Senator Bernie Sanders was the single largest receiver of pharmaceutical money in Congress.

01:11:20.560 And, uh, the context was this figure cited by RFK.

01:11:24.440 A junior referred to the industry in which individual donors were employed.

01:11:27.380 Yeah.

01:11:27.600 It did not refer to funds originating from or directed by pharmaceutical companies.

01:11:31.400 So what, what that is, is the way that they, the way that when you make a donation to a

01:11:36.360 politician as an individual, it gets filed with the FEC, right?

01:11:40.020 And in that filing, you write what your job is, right?

01:11:44.200 And if you work in the pharmaceutical industry, if you work for Johnson and Johnson as a janitor,

01:11:48.360 that basically gets tracked as like Johnson and Johnson, uh, in the, in the, uh, section

01:11:54.820 of like whichever sector you're a part of.

01:11:57.320 So like, uh, a lot of nurses gave donations to Bernie Sanders.

01:12:02.060 So that's like technically still lobbed under like healthcare.

01:12:04.720 And, uh, it was not, yeah, it was never, it was never from like the executives.

01:12:10.380 It wasn't like executives giving him millions of dollars.

01:12:11.980 It's like the fucking janitor works there or like, you know, like an accountant that works

01:12:15.580 for this company.

01:12:16.300 But it gets filed.

01:12:17.400 Yeah.

01:12:17.700 So that it looks like that in some sort of, well, they just, it's good to have like, uh,

01:12:22.580 knowing what sectors are donating, knowing what sectors are donating.

01:12:25.280 But yeah, uh, there is room for nuance of course there.

01:12:29.500 And, um, and RFK was falsely claiming that he was getting money from like CEOs and like

01:12:35.640 the industry, uh, uh, industry packs or whatever, when that wasn't the case, it was just like

01:12:40.620 random people that work for these companies, you know?

01:12:43.500 Yeah.

01:12:43.920 I think it makes, I mean, it totally makes sense to me that that's the way that it could

01:12:46.560 happen, you know?

01:12:47.740 Yeah.

01:12:48.240 Um, but it's so funny.

01:12:49.340 RFK probably saw a clip or heard, you know, it's just like, it's so it's like, I think RFK

01:12:53.420 knows better.

01:12:53.980 I don't, I don't trust any of these guys.

01:12:56.560 I'll be honest with you.

01:12:57.360 Like whether it's RFK, Trump or any number of these people or, you know, Democrats as

01:13:01.780 well, like Kamala Harris, like I think RFK definitely knows better.

01:13:05.160 He's just saying that because it's a good line and people will believe him.

01:13:09.480 Yeah.

01:13:09.620 And I mean, look, that's how it works.

01:13:11.860 I know.

01:13:12.560 Cause like Joe Rogan talked about it too, where they were talking about like Elizabeth Warren

01:13:16.360 and Bernie Sanders getting money from like these, uh, you know, big pharmaceutical

01:13:19.960 corporations.

01:13:20.940 That wasn't the case, but it got a lot of mileage on that.

01:13:23.980 Side of the internet.

01:13:26.020 That's the other thing that I am frustrated by where there's like no consensus on this

01:13:30.160 stuff anymore.

01:13:30.920 Like what does a consensus mean?

01:13:32.260 Like we all agree on one thing.

01:13:33.640 Yeah.

01:13:34.180 And you don't have to agree on one.

01:13:36.160 Like not everybody has to get together and agree on the same thing, but like there's

01:13:40.280 no, there's no established truth anymore where everybody's just like operating on whatever

01:13:44.540 the fuck they think is the, is the truth and, and heavily leaning into their biases.

01:13:49.140 And I feel like the internet has become way more echo chambered in that regard.

01:13:53.400 And it's very frustrating to see, you know, there's no, there's no, what'd you say?

01:14:01.580 Consensus.

01:14:02.140 Consensus.

01:14:02.580 So there's no like regional place you can go to except now almost your own gut or if

01:14:07.340 you're influenced by clips or whatever.

01:14:09.220 Right.

01:14:09.340 Yeah.

01:14:09.420 But we're dumb asses.

01:14:10.680 You know what I mean?

01:14:11.540 Like we're, we're fucking stupid.

01:14:12.820 I'm stupid.

01:14:13.400 Like I can't, I can't gut check everything.

01:14:15.880 Like I can't even fucking keep up with you, dude.

01:14:17.940 I feel you.

01:14:19.160 But what I'm saying is, is that better than us all being under the influence of some

01:14:24.200 consensus?

01:14:24.600 I'm not, I'm not disagreeing with you.

01:14:26.160 I'm just looking at it.

01:14:27.060 Right.

01:14:27.240 I think it's, it's good to have a healthy diet of both.

01:14:30.620 Right.

01:14:31.020 Like you still need to have trusted resources that you can go to and rely on, uh, that will

01:14:36.240 every now and then be like, that's wrong.

01:14:38.340 You know what I mean?

01:14:39.440 And, and I try to urge people to not get their media diet exclusively for me either for that

01:14:44.300 reason.

01:14:44.740 And even my media diet itself is incredibly diverse.

01:14:48.440 I probably watch more Fox news than I watch like CNN and shit, partially because they're

01:14:51.780 more entertaining.

01:14:53.060 Um, but, um, you know, I, I, I look at everything so that I can develop a better understanding of

01:14:59.520 like what people are saying and what people are believing in general.

01:15:02.580 I need to do a better job of that.

01:15:04.080 I think of finding my information diet and just where does it come from?

01:15:09.100 It's not, I just don't get enough of it.

01:15:10.880 A lot of times, a lot of times I operate mostly just like on my own feelings kind of, which

01:15:15.200 is in the end, kind of your instincts or whatever.

01:15:17.780 But then I start to notice that things that I get influenced by and like my own algorithm

01:15:21.920 and things is like, Oh, I'm fucking getting influenced.

01:15:24.100 You know, I'm up last night in the middle of the night and it's like, have I reposted

01:15:29.280 too many tick tocks about Gaza, you know?

01:15:33.600 And I'm up for 40 minutes.

01:15:34.680 I was like laying in my bed and my brain's calculating it for, but shit like that, you

01:15:38.440 know, it's like, but it's just cause I'll get to my, you know, it's like none of it's

01:15:41.500 bad stuff really, but it's, um, I'll notice if I get on my Twitter thing, especially I'll

01:15:45.200 get angry.

01:15:45.800 I get, and then I'm like, if I'm at least aware of this is happening, people that aren't

01:15:50.920 aware that aren't even thinking like, Oh, this is affecting me.

01:15:54.400 They're just being affected.

01:15:55.660 Then it's like, man, um, my, my, the way I see my goal, like the way I see my job is

01:16:01.520 to basically get people to understand why they're angry and then get angry at the appropriate

01:16:06.340 vectors, like where who's actually causing harm in their immediate lives.

01:16:10.320 That's why I actively urge people to unionize and work to organize in their communities and

01:16:15.340 organize in their, uh, in their workplaces in general.

01:16:18.220 So they have a network of support with like, not necessarily even like-minded people, but like

01:16:22.560 people that have the same interests, right?

01:16:24.440 You don't have to like your coworkers all that much, but no matter what your boss is

01:16:29.560 still fucking you over in the exact same way, right?

01:16:32.220 He wants you to work the most amount of hours for the least amount of pay.

01:16:36.000 You want to work the least amount of hours for the most amount of pay.

01:16:39.880 This is a contradiction, right?

01:16:41.940 So how do you resolve that?

01:16:43.840 The only way to, to overcome the unlimited amount of, uh, power that your boss has over

01:16:50.380 you is by getting together and being like, Hey man, you got to give us a better contract,

01:16:54.540 right?

01:16:55.500 Like those are the things that I advocate for so that people develop a better understanding

01:16:59.840 of who's actually harming them.

01:17:01.080 And they improve their, uh, improve their lives immediately in the short term and then

01:17:06.880 build on that momentum.

01:17:08.360 With that said, do you think we should have like a higher minimum wage you feel like?

01:17:12.600 I mean, I think that's one part of this, uh, story, but it's not, I've thought about

01:17:16.520 it a lot.

01:17:16.940 I've listened to people talk about it.

01:17:18.240 Yeah.

01:17:18.440 I think it's good, but that's still a bandaid solution.

01:17:20.760 I think like there needs to be more, uh, labor back control in general, like unions and

01:17:27.100 stuff.

01:17:27.340 Yeah.

01:17:27.480 Labor unions.

01:17:28.360 Yeah.

01:17:28.640 We have, we have, uh, 10% union participation rate in this country is lower than other countries

01:17:35.320 that we fucked up like Chile.

01:17:37.300 Like we fucked up Chile.

01:17:38.360 We did a coup there.

01:17:39.600 We set up a dictatorship.

01:17:41.300 And they still are able to unionize more than us.

01:17:43.520 Yeah.

01:17:43.680 And we wrote, we rewrote their constitution and they still have a higher union participation

01:17:48.820 rate than we do.

01:17:49.700 They have 15% in Chile.

01:17:51.320 We have 10%.

01:17:52.560 Do you say, cause I, we had the, we had the Teamsters president of one of the Teamsters union

01:17:57.320 presidents on.

01:17:57.980 Oh yeah.

01:17:58.440 You're Sean O'Brien.

01:17:59.420 Yeah.

01:17:59.720 He was interesting.

01:18:00.820 I've, I've, uh, I've interviewed him before.

01:18:02.860 I've like some convos on him.

01:18:04.780 He has a podcast now.

01:18:05.780 Oh, he does.

01:18:06.300 Yeah.

01:18:06.640 I didn't know that.

01:18:07.060 I saw him at the, um, inauguration.

01:18:09.380 It's just interesting that I'd never talked to a Teamsters union president.

01:18:12.140 I've heard of the Teamsters, you know, I watched Newsies or whatever, like when I was

01:18:14.820 a kid, a bunch.

01:18:15.940 But, um, but it was just interesting to see that, you know, to learn about unions and see

01:18:21.700 how they work.

01:18:22.160 And then some people are like, well, once you get unionized, it's hard to, you don't have as

01:18:26.700 much individuality.

01:18:27.600 So if I'm super hardworking, I'm self-motivated, then maybe I don't want to be a part of the

01:18:32.040 union, you know?

01:18:32.840 Yeah.

01:18:33.080 But I could see that as a safety net for people to have a union against corporations,

01:18:37.860 like, yeah, to me, it makes perfect sense.

01:18:40.900 Like, yeah.

01:18:41.560 Otherwise they're going to clean out your pockets.

01:18:43.240 They're going to, that's look, every union, uh, every union member will tell you like the,

01:18:48.100 the motto for unions is united.

01:18:50.880 We bargain divided.

01:18:52.060 We beg, right?

01:18:53.100 You can either go in and be like, I'm such a good guy, please.

01:18:56.580 Like, look at how hard I'm working.

01:18:58.020 And then in the off chance, maybe get recognized by your boss and maybe get a little bit extra

01:19:02.420 money on the side.

01:19:03.920 Or you can get together with your, you know, you can get together and engage in the act

01:19:08.480 of collective bargaining and force the company's hand into offering you better benefits and

01:19:14.480 basically claw back the profits that you're generating for them because without the workforce,

01:19:18.720 you got nothing.

01:19:19.680 Right.

01:19:19.920 What do you think?

01:19:20.300 The fucking CEO is going to build the table?

01:19:22.060 No.

01:19:22.520 You know what I mean?

01:19:23.180 He doesn't know the first thing about building tables, right?

01:19:25.940 It's just going to all, all that's going to be is, is a bunch of wood on the factory

01:19:29.920 floor without you.

01:19:31.100 Right.

01:19:32.220 Workers are the ones who add the value, who generate the value.

01:19:36.040 Yeah.

01:19:36.460 Bernie has a good, um, Bernie had a good thing about that.

01:19:39.420 He said that, well, if we're going to shorten people's work weeks, right.

01:19:43.120 He, he, he was talking about having a shorter work week.

01:19:45.740 Yeah.

01:19:46.200 And then that since companies profits are going up, then the employees, the amount that

01:19:50.700 they should make should go up.

01:19:51.800 It's like, it shouldn't just be the company at the top that has the increase.

01:19:56.360 Yeah.

01:19:56.720 So, I mean, AI is a perfect example of this, right?

01:19:59.180 Like it's very disruptive to the, to the environment.

01:20:01.700 I don't like that.

01:20:02.760 Uh, but more importantly, also on top of that, it's, it's used as a way to displace the existing

01:20:09.260 labor force.

01:20:10.000 Right.

01:20:10.360 Um, because now you can just get the machine to do the job of the person that was doing

01:20:16.540 the job beforehand.

01:20:17.980 I'm an advocate that like, no, you should still keep that person employed, pay him the same

01:20:23.700 amount of money, make him work less.

01:20:25.600 Why?

01:20:26.200 I mean, why are you firing this person now?

01:20:28.300 Because AI is a tool, right?

01:20:30.520 Right.

01:20:30.640 But the way that we, the way that companies work under capitalism is whenever there's a

01:20:35.260 technological advancement like this, right, this has allowed us to be on 24 seven.

01:20:40.280 Now you can have so much more output as a worker, right?

01:20:43.560 You can be, you, you can, you can be online at all times.

01:20:47.220 Productivity rises in that process.

01:20:49.180 Your boss can get ahold of you at all times.

01:20:50.460 Yeah.

01:20:50.580 Your boss can get ahold of you at all times.

01:20:52.600 Uh, you're more tapped in.

01:20:53.880 You're more, uh, you're, you're more aware of what's going on in the world.

01:20:57.380 And, uh, and, and you can be a better worker because of that.

01:21:01.240 But in that process, bosses look at that and go, okay, now I can make one guy do the

01:21:05.320 work of five.

01:21:06.320 I'm going to fire four fucking people and I'm going to make the one guy do the work of,

01:21:09.660 uh, the other four people.

01:21:12.020 And that is how, uh, that is under capitalism.

01:21:16.780 That's how it works, where they use technological advancements that increase productivity to displace

01:21:22.560 the existing labor force to just basically fire them.

01:21:25.520 And instead of lowering the hours that the existing workforce worked and maybe even increasing

01:21:31.080 their pay in the process, cause they're still doing the same work.

01:21:33.960 You know what I mean?

01:21:34.960 And cause they're fucking human beings.

01:21:36.560 Like that's why at a certain point it has to tip towards an actual revolution where people

01:21:42.320 pick up and I don't know if we can say this or not, but I'm, I mean, I say it all the

01:21:46.440 time.

01:21:46.660 People call me radical for that.

01:21:48.300 Really?

01:21:48.620 I'm a big revolution guy.

01:21:49.920 I've always had little dreams of like semi revolutions or like regional or whatever.

01:21:54.300 At least I hope at least I can make it to the regional revolution.

01:21:56.680 Like I understand if I don't make it to the national, but I want to be on a horseback or

01:22:00.640 at least on a fucking standing next to a counter.

01:22:03.400 One of the, one of our like bosses or whatever.

01:22:08.000 Like I want to, why see that's because that is fucking overthrowing the system.

01:22:12.860 I know, but think about the way you presented that you want to count or a boss to, to be

01:22:16.820 the leader of the revolution.

01:22:18.440 Somebody's going to have to have some sort of fucking leadership, but it should be people

01:22:21.840 back revolution.

01:22:23.060 That's what people, but one of us gets mildly elected or something, but not a boss or a

01:22:27.240 fucking politician.

01:22:28.100 Those guys are account is going to be, it's going to be a, uh, an organizer, an activist,

01:22:33.460 someone with a, someone with a background, uh, someone who understands the needs of the

01:22:38.500 people.

01:22:38.940 It's going to be somebody also who works at a Renaissance fair full time, who can be on

01:22:42.520 a horseback, who can handle the type of, when you think about it, I'm not even joking.

01:22:46.260 It's on, it's kind of crazy, but you will need a dude who is fucking, I am willing to

01:22:51.360 ride through here with a spear, but yeah, I, at a certain point, if you let so many people

01:22:56.960 go just to appease a company, to appease corporations, you're just going to have more, those people

01:23:02.360 have to, at some point, there has to be a revolution in that how revolutions happen.

01:23:06.680 Yeah.

01:23:06.760 I mean, when, when conditions, uh, worsen to a certain degree, yeah, people go, all right,

01:23:11.680 enough is enough.

01:23:12.360 We're backed into a corner and they start recognizing that like they're being fucked

01:23:16.300 over, but that can also lead to a dangerous path where, uh, you know, tell me about that.

01:23:21.180 Well, the dangerous part about that is like, if they're, if the people are not steered in

01:23:25.260 the right direction to, to recognize who's actually doing the harm to them, they can be

01:23:29.940 diluted by misinformation and think it's, uh, the Jews or think it's, uh, fucking Anthony

01:23:36.620 Bourdain or yeah, I think it's a Adam Schiff, uh, uh, who's, uh, apparently having sex with

01:23:42.060 dead children in their minds or think it's like the Guatemalan immigrant.

01:23:45.820 You know what I mean?

01:23:46.720 That motherfucker is not controlling your life.

01:23:49.340 He is worse off than you.

01:23:51.180 And he has the exact same interests as you.

01:23:52.960 He just wants to put food in his belly and to have a roof over his head.

01:23:57.340 Are you talking about Guatemalans that came over the border and stuff?

01:23:59.640 Yeah.

01:23:59.960 Yeah.

01:24:00.180 That's what I mean.

01:24:00.800 Like a Guatemalan immigrant or a Honduran immigrant is not like, he's not dominating your

01:24:05.500 life at all.

01:24:06.040 They're not here to do evil.

01:24:07.640 They're not here to do bad.

01:24:09.080 They're here to just like work.

01:24:10.200 They're fucking pig strawberries all goddamn day.

01:24:12.120 So our asses can eat those strawberries cheap as hell.

01:24:14.820 You know what I mean?

01:24:15.840 And then we turn around and we're like, yeah, they're all rapists, drug dealer, murderers.

01:24:19.160 We got to fucking purge the country of these people.

01:24:21.540 And it's like, it's really fucked up.

01:24:24.380 How would you, um, how do you successfully do something like that then?

01:24:28.260 Because I think a lot of people's concern, I think here's what happens is you're like,

01:24:32.600 I'm not safe anymore.

01:24:33.560 Right.

01:24:33.920 And you start to feel right.

01:24:36.860 There's people that get that, that were raped or killed.

01:24:39.760 There was a couple of instances where they, that they put them on the news, right?

01:24:42.700 They were on the congressional, you know, they had some of the Trump had them, Trump

01:24:45.780 had them at the, at the victims at the congressional joint congressional hearing.

01:24:49.580 Right.

01:24:49.800 So I think you hear about those things and you're like, well, yeah, you start to, you'll

01:24:54.460 start to apply them to everyone.

01:24:56.460 Um, I think.

01:24:57.700 Which is crazy.

01:24:58.120 Think about that.

01:24:58.520 We say there's 20 million undocumented migrants in this country.

01:25:00.960 They come from every part of the planet and they're all, and to think that they're all

01:25:06.160 one collective hive mind that's here to do like evil rapes and shit is psychotic.

01:25:10.320 I'm like, bro, like they don't even speak each other's language.

01:25:13.520 Like, what are you talking about?

01:25:14.600 Like they have no unified hive mind here, but you, you basically learn to think that

01:25:19.940 way.

01:25:20.080 You learn to hate in that regard.

01:25:22.040 And I think the media plays a big role in this, like right wing media specifically.

01:25:25.900 Is it hate though?

01:25:26.920 You think?

01:25:27.220 Cause it's like, I just fear.

01:25:29.280 Okay.

01:25:29.780 So I, cause to me, it's like, have a fucking organized system.

01:25:34.380 If I go to a, dude, I go to, I went to Canada a couple of days ago.

01:25:38.420 It was heck.

01:25:39.540 It was heck getting in and out of there.

01:25:40.680 It's heck getting out of there.

01:25:41.720 It's super organized.

01:25:43.360 You know, it's like, but we should, it just, cause here's the thing.

01:25:46.780 If you don't know who's in your country, then you can't do a correct census.

01:25:49.740 You can't allocate things correctly to people.

01:25:52.380 You can't know who needs what in certain areas.

01:25:54.920 That's why they, that's why they also factor on not committed migrants into the census

01:25:57.980 as well.

01:25:58.720 But if they're fearful of the federal government, if they're fearful of the federal government,

01:26:02.600 they're not going to open the door for a census guy.

01:26:04.700 That's part of the reason why sanctuary cities began to begin with.

01:26:07.840 It was actually advocated for.

01:26:09.620 This is something that this is old lore.

01:26:11.340 People don't even know this at this point.

01:26:12.720 Cause everybody thinks like, Oh, sanctuary cities is woke, libtard bullshit, bro.

01:26:16.940 It was the fucking cops and the FBI that was advocating for sanctuary cities.

01:26:20.900 Why?

01:26:21.640 Because whenever a murder or, or some kind of like violence happened in an undocumented

01:26:27.280 neighborhood, cops would come in and nobody would talk to them.

01:26:30.780 So they were like, don't worry.

01:26:32.380 Say that part one more time so we can hear it.

01:26:33.860 That's important.

01:26:34.460 I never knew that.

01:26:34.800 Sanctuary cities initially were proposed by law enforcement because they realized that

01:26:41.040 whenever there was violence or like, you know, drug dealing or a murder that took place

01:26:45.140 in an area where the witnesses were undocumented migrants, they wouldn't talk to the cops because

01:26:50.180 they were fearful that if they talked to the cops, they were going to get fucking deported.

01:26:53.960 So in order to open up more collaboration and actually solve crimes like rape, murder,

01:26:59.460 and all these other like violent crimes, they were like, we have to tell every undocumented

01:27:04.400 migrant, like, we're not going to arrest you.

01:27:05.760 We're not going to collaborate with ICE or INS at the time before ICE existed.

01:27:10.760 Um, we are, we're just here to serve you as public servants.

01:27:15.400 And that was the reason why it was law enforcement that initially suggested sanctuary cities.

01:27:19.440 It wasn't like woke activists or whatever.

01:27:21.940 Um, and it's so interesting that like now Republicans say, use that as a catch all term

01:27:26.860 to be like, oh, you're letting, you're letting criminals go.

01:27:29.840 Basically.

01:27:30.240 That's what they, that's what they make it seem like.

01:27:32.400 That's what they imply.

01:27:33.460 Bring that up.

01:27:34.100 How did sanctuary cities get started?

01:27:35.420 That's fascinating, man.

01:27:36.580 Yeah.

01:27:36.740 Sanctuary city policies were not originally proposed by law enforcement, but they were,

01:27:42.400 uh, they've come to support them for public safety reasons.

01:27:45.100 Right.

01:27:45.640 In the 1980s, when churches in the United States provided refuge for individuals escaping

01:27:49.080 civil unrest in El Salvador, sanctuary cities specifically emerged from protests against

01:27:52.840 federal immigration policies that denied asylum to refugees.

01:27:55.240 However, many law enforcement officials, including police chiefs have advocated for sanctuary

01:27:58.860 policies.

01:27:59.420 They argue that they argue that these policies help build trust between immigrant communities

01:28:03.660 and local law enforcement.

01:28:04.600 This trust is crucial for encouraging immigrants to report crimes and cooperate with police

01:28:08.260 investigations.

01:28:09.340 Sanctuary policies allow police to focus on local priorities and prevent crimes.

01:28:13.900 Wow.

01:28:14.160 That's interesting, man.

01:28:14.840 I wonder though.

01:28:15.920 What's that?

01:28:16.860 I'm sorry.

01:28:17.340 What is the AI search engine or some shit?

01:28:19.160 What is this?

01:28:19.800 Yeah, this is perplexity, but they have all the sources cited.

01:28:24.000 All right.

01:28:24.280 So I think it's interesting then though.

01:28:26.380 I wonder how many cities then jumped on it as a, even on the democratic side to say

01:28:32.040 like, um, or left side, whatever you want to call it, but like to say, oh, I better be

01:28:37.320 a part of this now if I want my voters to then vote for me.

01:28:40.060 You know what I'm saying?

01:28:40.400 Like, so sometimes like the political kickball gets created one way, but it also gets used

01:28:45.460 in a field in another way.

01:28:46.520 So it's not, I don't think it's a bad thing anyway, like I, cause I'm, I'm a, I'm a active

01:28:52.680 amnesty advocate.

01:28:54.140 Like I think if it, first of all, this is a civil offense, like crossing, crossing the

01:28:59.700 border is a civil offense.

01:29:01.000 Right.

01:29:01.300 Right.

01:29:01.720 And you have a five-year period where if you haven't done any crimes, like the statute

01:29:05.440 of limitation is over.

01:29:06.720 Now there's different legal, uh, there are different legal interpretations of this and

01:29:11.700 people go back and forth on it.

01:29:13.040 But like the way I think about it is like, if a dude is in here and they're working right

01:29:18.240 and they're not trying to do a, you know, they're not here to do evil shit.

01:29:22.100 They're here to just simply work.

01:29:23.920 Give him fucking, give him documentation.

01:29:26.280 The difference between an undocumented migrant and a documented one is just a piece of paper

01:29:30.720 is paperwork process.

01:29:32.380 These people and allow them to contribute to our coffers, uh, in, in more meaningful

01:29:37.580 ways because they already pay taxes, but they could be paying more taxes as well.

01:29:41.240 Do they pay taxes if they're undocumented?

01:29:43.340 Yeah.

01:29:44.000 Cause they, they, uh, they still, they, I think they still pay into social security

01:29:47.640 because they have to get a social security number, some sort of social security number.

01:29:50.260 They pay for sales taxes, uh, things of that nature.

01:29:52.960 You know what I mean?

01:29:53.760 Like there's, there's a bunch of, uh, different contributions that they make and they can't

01:29:58.280 take advantage of any of the, uh, the, the, uh, government programs anyway.

01:30:02.920 That's why a lot of Republicans lie.

01:30:04.540 They'll be like, oh, undocumented migrants are like stealing our, uh, you know, our social

01:30:08.440 safety nets.

01:30:09.000 And I'm over like, I'm over here like, what the fuck, what social safety nets do we have?

01:30:12.820 What are they, we don't have healthcare.

01:30:14.900 Like what, what are they, are they taking advantage of healthcare that we don't have?

01:30:17.740 They don't have healthcare.

01:30:19.200 Um, the thing is, uh, they will, Republicans will literally factor in their natural born

01:30:27.700 U S citizen children into the equation to be like, see, they're sending their children

01:30:32.240 to public schools.

01:30:32.920 It's like, bro, that's an American citizen, right?

01:30:35.460 That the child is an American citizen.

01:30:37.000 Yeah.

01:30:37.360 Yeah.

01:30:37.660 One in 15 households in this country is a mixed status household.

01:30:41.340 One in 15.

01:30:42.460 Oh yeah.

01:30:43.080 You can't even, I mean, you fucking, everybody's mixed now.

01:30:47.420 It feels like.

01:30:48.200 Mixed status.

01:30:48.880 Like as in one parent is, uh, uh, undocumented, like a non-citizen.

01:30:53.180 Oh yeah.

01:30:53.720 Yeah.

01:30:54.200 So.

01:30:54.680 It's probably Mexican a lot of times.

01:30:56.180 I would bet.

01:30:56.860 And that's just, even my Mexican friends are always like, you know, my uncle's in the back

01:31:00.860 or whatever they'll say, you know, and I don't say anything, but it's like, I, you know, I

01:31:05.100 think it's interesting.

01:31:05.800 It's interesting.

01:31:06.340 Like what things get, how things get framed right by the media, how things get used, how

01:31:13.040 things like even programs like sanctuary city, how does it then get manipulated, um, and used

01:31:19.860 as like a negative thing or as a thing where one party feels like, well, I better declare

01:31:24.340 as this, or I'm going to be out of the money, whatever the next thing is.

01:31:27.180 Like, yeah, I mean, there's definitely an incentive structure among politicians to advocate for

01:31:32.500 certain things, but ultimately I don't really care what the incentive structure is.

01:31:36.620 If the, if the legislation is good, if it's a good thing, if Trump were to do a good thing,

01:31:42.040 I would advocate for it as well.

01:31:43.700 You know what I mean?

01:31:44.580 Do you think that's true?

01:31:45.420 Cause it seems like.

01:31:46.260 I have in the past when Trump, when Trump last time he was president, when he basically

01:31:51.360 said, I'm going to back away from this North Korea, South Korea shit, and I'm going

01:31:54.700 to let you guys handle it on your own.

01:31:56.620 And in the process, he actually, uh, reduced, uh, the, the military campaigns that were taking

01:32:01.460 place around the Korean peninsula, uh, to, to allow these two countries to talk to one

01:32:07.940 another.

01:32:08.220 It's one country technically that we fucking cut in half, but that's a long history lesson.

01:32:12.280 I'm not going to get into North Korea and South Korea.

01:32:14.040 Yeah.

01:32:14.860 And, and, and that was objectively good thing.

01:32:18.040 Like I said it at the time, I was like, and Rachel Maddow was very mad.

01:32:21.060 He was like, Oh, you're doing this because you love Vladimir Putin or whatever the fuck.

01:32:24.380 But like, no, that was not a bad thing.

01:32:26.640 Like let these guys hash it out and, and let them, let them rebuild their nation.

01:32:31.780 You know, why the fuck are we like, why do we have, you know, 80,000 to 100,000 troops

01:32:36.700 stationed all the time?

01:32:38.760 You know?

01:32:39.360 Yeah.

01:32:39.720 I mean, yeah, it feels alarming.

01:32:43.480 It feels like you have to have this military thing.

01:32:45.740 I think one thing that I noticed last night was like, the military has had a tough time

01:32:52.160 getting recruits, right?

01:32:53.860 Yeah.

01:32:54.260 Recruits, recruitment has been down.

01:32:56.120 Yeah.

01:32:56.560 And so part of me always wonders, well, like, are the, did the powers that be then want Republicans

01:33:02.900 to be in office because they know that eventually if people are believing more in their country

01:33:09.080 again, it will incite more recruitments.

01:33:11.080 I'm not saying that that's the truth, but you just start to wonder what the fuck is

01:33:15.640 really going on.

01:33:16.580 I'll tell you what made recruitment numbers explode.

01:33:18.080 Does that make sense to you though?

01:33:20.160 I mean, I know where you're coming from, but what made recruitment numbers explode initially

01:33:23.760 was 9-11.

01:33:24.700 That's it.

01:33:25.440 People joined after 9-11 and after 20 years of just like going out there and, and, uh,

01:33:31.900 guarding, uh, guarding like poppy fields and getting your dick blown off by some fucking

01:33:37.420 dude who's hated you because you invaded his country when he was like 14 and probably killed

01:33:42.260 his cousin.

01:33:43.280 Uh, you know, after 20 years of doing that, everyone was like, oh, this shit sucks.

01:33:48.500 We kind of lost it here.

01:33:49.780 Huh?

01:33:50.440 Like we did a Vietnam in Afghanistan and we had to pull out.

01:33:53.760 So, and that was a good thing.

01:33:55.100 Objectively.

01:33:55.460 I think it's good that we pulled out of Afghanistan, but, um, I think that's the real reason why

01:34:00.520 people are like, why the fuck would I join the military?

01:34:02.500 I can't even get a fucking charger anymore.

01:34:04.820 You know, they, they, the Dodge Charger, the Dodge Chargers, or was it, was it the Camaro?

01:34:08.580 Were they giving those out?

01:34:09.720 They were, that's the, that's the common military car.

01:34:12.760 Oh, that's true.

01:34:13.840 You sign off on one of those, the worst loan of all time.

01:34:18.140 Oh yeah, dude.

01:34:19.200 I would.

01:34:19.680 And then your, your high school sweetheart is fucking the neighbor while you're out there.

01:34:24.100 Sometimes.

01:34:24.660 I mean, yeah.

01:34:25.520 Well, you're out there jerking off in a fucking bunker and, but some dude's jerking off on you

01:34:31.000 or whatever, and you guys are changing each other's names after 8 PM or whatever and shit.

01:34:35.060 I think shit gets pretty melodic out there.

01:34:37.180 That's what I mean.

01:34:37.900 You're like, why the fuck are you doing that?

01:34:39.340 And then you come back and the American government's like, all right, we'll give you healthcare.

01:34:43.160 But now you're busted.

01:34:44.540 You need it desperately.

01:34:46.040 And they're like, all right, we'll pay for your college.

01:34:48.260 Okay.

01:34:48.720 You go to college.

01:34:50.740 You get a communications degree.

01:34:53.400 Now you're, you know, six years behind the rest of your, your counterparts.

01:34:58.600 And you're in the same shit ass job market working, sucking the man's dick every day,

01:35:04.180 uh, working at a dead end job that you despise and you're fucked up.

01:35:09.300 And now every time you, you know, go to the grocery store to pick out cereal, you're having

01:35:13.300 a crisis, like a mental health episode is fucked up.

01:35:16.820 Well, or a lot of people will also go into the military, learn some, uh, patterns that

01:35:20.820 helped them to achieve.

01:35:22.320 Well, my buddy, Josh was in for a while.

01:35:24.300 He got out and now he's able to be a good business owner because he learned, you know,

01:35:27.820 he got up in the morning, you know, it just, it helped him have some regimen.

01:35:30.480 Yeah, no, for sure.

01:35:31.280 I don't think that regimen is bad.

01:35:32.920 I'm a very regimented person.

01:35:34.780 I just think that the military's output overall is, is, you know, you're just sending poor

01:35:41.340 people from, uh, different parts of the country overseas to go dominate some other poor people

01:35:47.480 so that rich people in fucking California can make more money.

01:35:51.620 So the Raytheon can send more missiles and make more missiles and, and you got to use

01:35:56.020 those missiles when you make them, you know, if you don't use it, you lose it.

01:35:59.360 Yeah.

01:35:59.880 Yeah.

01:36:00.160 Oh, your missiles are going.

01:36:01.760 Yeah.

01:36:02.340 There's somebody said there was an email one time that like, Oh, your missiles are expiring

01:36:06.280 soon.

01:36:06.600 You should use them.

01:36:07.380 It's like, what the fuck?

01:36:08.640 But they do that.

01:36:09.320 They, they, any, uh, if you got homies who, uh, were active duty, they'll tell you like,

01:36:14.400 you just dump so much money because they know that like, it's going to go bad.

01:36:20.060 Yeah.

01:36:20.260 Like you just fucking shoot it out into the sea.

01:36:22.560 If you're in the Navy, you're just like, pop that bitch off, get out there after lunch

01:36:26.660 today.

01:36:27.180 Yeah.

01:36:27.660 We're going to fire a couple of these off at an island.

01:36:30.440 You're like, that's an island.

01:36:31.560 Like nobody's there.

01:36:32.640 Yeah.

01:36:33.020 You're dumping payload into an island that is more than your salary times 10 because it's

01:36:39.520 going to go bad.

01:36:40.700 How is that not waste and fraud and abuse?

01:36:43.200 Why the fuck are they not working on that?

01:36:45.040 My argument always is this.

01:36:46.800 The American military is a jobs program.

01:36:48.820 Um, that's what it is.

01:36:50.380 It's, uh, the, I think it's the second largest, uh, hiring body in the country after Walmart.

01:36:55.520 If I'm not mistaken, it might be the largest.

01:36:58.340 And I think instead of making those guys, you know, making these corn fed boys from Arkansas

01:37:05.040 go out and, and, uh, you know, force them to eat MREs all goddamn day and, and be constipated

01:37:12.140 for a fucking week, make them build shit, you know, make them build shit in America.

01:37:17.300 It's a jobs program.

01:37:18.440 Who cares?

01:37:19.720 Make the output be good rather than bad.

01:37:22.880 That is what my argument is.

01:37:24.860 The world's biggest employer is the Ministry of Defense, U.S. Department of Defense.

01:37:27.900 Oh, yeah.

01:37:28.500 The Indian Ministry of Defense is the largest.

01:37:30.700 And then the world's second largest employer, I guess the U.S. Department of Defense is bigger

01:37:34.260 than Walmart.

01:37:34.940 Walmart and Amazon.

01:37:36.120 I mean, that's a great point.

01:37:36.940 And I think, and maybe, and, you know, I wish I knew more of what some of those groups

01:37:41.780 did a lot of times.

01:37:43.580 With the military?

01:37:44.680 Yeah.

01:37:45.000 But I agree with you.

01:37:45.900 It's like, I agree the fact that why are, why does the voter, why does the gun carrier,

01:37:52.700 the water carrier, you're always at this, it's a caste system really in a lot of ways.

01:37:57.760 It is.

01:37:58.380 Those are the people having to do the bidding of these elites, you know, of these countries

01:38:03.560 and stuff like that.

01:38:04.420 But then at a certain point, it's like, do I decide this is my, what, what, what integrity

01:38:09.540 or what do I want to have inside of myself when I'm doing that?

01:38:11.980 I could be all day like, fuck, I don't want to be doing this.

01:38:14.680 This country's a piece of shit or whatever.

01:38:16.260 Or I can have pride in what I'm doing no matter what in the spot that I'm existing in, in this

01:38:24.660 sort of strata, right?

01:38:25.900 And, and I stand up for my country and it's just, you know, as we get more information,

01:38:29.840 it's just, it's fascinating how things change.

01:38:32.380 I just want, like, I, or how things you've learned more.

01:38:35.760 I don't hate people.

01:38:36.700 I just want them to, to have better lives.

01:38:39.440 You know what I mean?

01:38:39.980 Even people that I disagree with vehemently, like, I always stress this point where I say

01:38:44.580 Medicare for all means for everybody, right?

01:38:46.960 Even if you're a fucking Nazi, you're going to get healthcare.

01:38:49.220 Even if you don't want healthcare, I'm going to fucking give you that healthcare.

01:38:51.540 I don't give a shit.

01:38:52.640 Okay.

01:38:52.900 You can cry about it all day, every day.

01:38:54.920 It's just, and I think that's the attitude that other people are supposed to have in this process

01:38:59.380 too, like, there's got to be a universality to these proposals.

01:39:02.120 Cause like, I think we got to do right by others.

01:39:05.920 And we are not doing that right now.

01:39:08.060 The American government is not doing that.

01:39:09.520 And every, at every step of the process.

01:39:12.260 And that's why the military is a great example of this.

01:39:15.220 You know, we're just using and abusing these dudes and making them do a whole lot of awful

01:39:20.880 shit overseas so that some rich asshole can make more money, you know?

01:39:26.180 And then they're broken in that process.

01:39:28.880 They come back.

01:39:29.580 There's no, there's no way of like repairing them.

01:39:32.200 And we basically lie to them too.

01:39:33.840 We're like, oh yeah, you'll get a, you'll get a great job.

01:39:36.140 You'll go to college.

01:39:36.940 You'll be able to uplift yourself.

01:39:38.280 And it's like, that should be available without you having to serve in the military.

01:39:43.300 Yeah.

01:39:44.080 But if that was available, if free college existed, if free healthcare existed, and no

01:39:49.060 fucking buddy is going to the military, why the fuck would you do that?

01:39:53.680 Unless you had some real gunners.

01:39:55.320 Unless you had some cool Call of Duty, Verdansk, Modern Warfare dogs.

01:39:59.100 Okay, but I mean, yeah, those guys are.

01:40:01.820 But I'm saying you would still have some, right?

01:40:03.320 Yeah, you would, but it would be significantly lower.

01:40:06.480 It wouldn't be this system that gets kind of manipulated and used.

01:40:11.400 That's why they don't want to fix it though.

01:40:12.920 That's why they don't want to get free healthcare.

01:40:14.240 But that's why they don't want to fix so many things.

01:40:16.400 Yeah.

01:40:16.940 And that's what I'm saying.

01:40:17.680 We learn more.

01:40:18.280 As we learn more about it, you start to see some of the clarity or some of, you learn

01:40:23.220 more, you have more information, but then how do I operate still when I have that more

01:40:26.900 information?

01:40:27.880 Like, do I, you know, it's tough because if I become a nihilist or, you know, so then

01:40:33.360 I'm miserable.

01:40:34.340 My, my day to day is miserable, you know, and I'm not disagreeing with you.

01:40:39.000 I'm just saying it's how do we manage in those spaces as we learn more?

01:40:43.180 Um, I don't know.

01:40:44.260 I'm, I'm fairly tapped into all of the, the shortcomings of the American government.

01:40:49.260 And yet I, I enjoy myself.

01:40:51.360 I mean, I still, I still jerk off before I go to sleep.

01:40:54.220 I still watch anime.

01:40:55.480 I play basketball.

01:40:56.960 I focus on myself.

01:40:58.300 I think like there are certain things that you have control over and that is your own

01:41:03.260 body, right?

01:41:04.080 Your, your immediate friends and your family.

01:41:06.120 And you should actively work on those things to, to, to basically not lose sight of your

01:41:14.700 own humanity because it's easy to get lost in the sauce, uh, in the everyday cruelty that

01:41:19.760 you, that you recognize is happening all around and it makes you go crazy.

01:41:24.180 And in order to combat that, I always urge people to, to engage in self-improvement, set

01:41:29.280 goals for yourself and try to achieve them.

01:41:31.380 That's at least how I've always managed this stuff.

01:41:34.180 And also being around other people who aren't immediately, uh, agreeing to, uh, your, your

01:41:39.940 worldview.

01:41:40.620 Like I, I love parks for that reason.

01:41:43.040 I love third spaces.

01:41:44.880 No, not like parks and recreation as in like the TV show.

01:41:47.720 I mean like literal public parks.

01:41:49.240 Oh yeah, dude.

01:41:50.260 There's a fucking, there's a band or not a band.

01:41:52.820 There's some homeless guys stole, I guess a band's high school equipment during COVID

01:41:57.160 over by the, there's a park behind my apartment.

01:41:59.460 And, um, you could hear them sometimes practicing in like three or 4am.

01:42:04.040 They get some, they get a couple of dudes tuned up in a tent or whatever, and you could

01:42:07.660 hear them, um, what song were they playing for a while?

01:42:10.740 Oh, love the way you lie.

01:42:16.780 Just gonna stand there and watch you burn.

01:42:20.460 I don't know what instruments they had, but it was pretty cool.

01:42:22.860 You know, they got a hold of the sheet music and everything, you know, but it's like, yeah,

01:42:25.460 just making the most of where you're at.

01:42:27.320 Um, and also our military is there.

01:42:29.580 Like you, it keeps us safe.

01:42:31.200 If there's flooding, if they do a ton of stuff, right?

01:42:33.940 Yeah.

01:42:33.960 The army corps engineers, like I interviewed a guy.

01:42:36.180 I don't want people to feel like their lives are in vain.

01:42:39.540 No, no.

01:42:40.100 I admire people that go and are willing to put their years of lives.

01:42:43.440 Trump is firing those guys too, by the way, right now.

01:42:45.860 Like the army corps engineers is like what you just described when there's a flooding

01:42:49.360 happening.

01:42:49.760 Like they build the levees, they build the bridges, right?

01:42:52.400 Trump literally is firing those people too.

01:42:54.320 It's crazy.

01:42:55.520 Why is he doing it?

01:42:56.480 Is he because he hates the army corps engineers?

01:42:58.280 No, because he doesn't give a shit.

01:42:59.480 That's my point.

01:43:00.540 He doesn't care.

01:43:01.140 He's like, yeah, go Elon, do whatever you need to do.

01:43:03.680 Fire these probationary employees.

01:43:06.080 Nobody knows what probationary means.

01:43:08.120 So they think like, oh, you know, it's good.

01:43:10.400 It's good that we're like downsizing a little bit.

01:43:12.220 It's like, no dude, you're going to start slowly, but surely five years down the line,

01:43:17.380 notice it.

01:43:18.200 You're going to start noticing that things are just not working.

01:43:20.620 Like air traffic control is a great example of this since the Reagan era.

01:43:25.220 Like the numbers of air traffic controls, controllers, even though air traffic has

01:43:31.520 increased, the number of air traffic controllers have not kept up with the increase of air

01:43:36.060 traffic.

01:43:36.680 So you got towers where there's like one dude, there's got to be like 30 dudes in that tower.

01:43:42.880 I don't want the fucking plane.

01:43:44.280 I don't want planes to crash.

01:43:45.840 You know what I mean?

01:43:46.240 Probably more of them have started to work in.

01:43:48.280 If that's true, is there less FAA people?

01:43:52.000 No, there's probably more FAA people, especially with like TSA and whatnot.

01:43:56.440 But I'm saying that it hasn't matched up to the rate of air.

01:44:01.560 Like there's more planes in the sky is what I'm saying.

01:44:04.520 When there's more planes in the sky, you need more air traffic controls.

01:44:07.420 We're cut that they help support an air safety union.

01:44:11.320 President Donald Trump's administration has said no one at the federal FAA with a critical

01:44:15.780 safety position has been fired as it cuts the federal workforce.

01:44:19.200 Some FAA jobs were eliminated, had direct roles in supporting safety inspectors and airport

01:44:22.700 operations, according to their union and former employees.

01:44:26.160 This is another way that they lie, by the way, and Karen Bass did this with the LA wildfires

01:44:30.720 where she was like, oh, we didn't actually cut the LA FD budget.

01:44:34.560 They did.

01:44:35.300 They cut the support budget.

01:44:36.860 But when you cut the support budget, yeah, sure.

01:44:39.020 You're not cutting the actual firefighters, right?

01:44:41.300 But you're not reducing their numbers.

01:44:42.720 But when you cut the support staff budget, you're cutting mechanics.

01:44:45.840 When you cut the mechanics and your fucking fire engine is busted, you send it over and

01:44:50.800 it just sits in a goddamn yard for months because now there's no fucking mechanics to fix the

01:44:55.640 goddamn car.

01:44:56.460 Yeah.

01:44:56.720 So all of a sudden, you're down one fire engine.

01:44:59.400 It's all it all works together.

01:45:01.600 I'm curious to see because Trump's making, you know, and there's so many like executive

01:45:06.300 orders and things right out of the gate.

01:45:07.800 And there's so much focus on him by the media, too.

01:45:10.240 But I'm curious to see if some of these things turn out to help long term.

01:45:15.780 There's no way.

01:45:16.660 I'm hopeful that they are, you know, like I'm hopeful that, you know.

01:45:20.800 If they're going to cut Medicare or Medicaid, that it's also because they have the they're

01:45:25.800 going to make price transparency from hospitals.

01:45:28.280 Right.

01:45:28.580 And and so then there won't be the expenses won't be as high.

01:45:32.800 Right.

01:45:33.080 Like I'm hoping that there's some long term strategy to a lot of his ideas, like the same

01:45:37.720 thing with Gaza and Israel.

01:45:40.380 I don't know if there is.

01:45:41.320 It seems I don't like it, but I'm hopeful.

01:45:44.660 Trump is a major Israel dick rider.

01:45:46.260 He's not he's not changing that.

01:45:47.720 I think I can't.

01:45:48.740 If you can find 30 of these people that aren't, it feels like.

01:45:51.080 Yeah, no, especially in the American government, it's really, really awful.

01:45:55.560 They.

01:45:56.180 Yeah.

01:45:57.720 I want things to get better and I hope it does.

01:46:00.500 But the reason why I say I'm certain that it won't is because like of what you just mentioned,

01:46:05.420 right?

01:46:05.720 Eight hundred billion, eight hundred billion dollars of Medicare and Medicaid that I want

01:46:08.480 to cut.

01:46:08.780 Mike Johnson goes on stage, says I goes on Caitlin Collins on CNN and says, oh, there's

01:46:14.340 a lot of fraud happening.

01:46:16.360 There's not fraud happening in Medicare and Medicaid on the point of the recipient.

01:46:20.340 Right.

01:46:20.540 It's happening on the point of the providers.

01:46:22.180 Right.

01:46:22.600 And that's why I got banned recently on which yesterday because I saw you got banned.

01:46:28.020 You just got back.

01:46:28.900 Yeah.

01:46:29.240 Libs at TikTok was like posting about how I said something and they they misconstrued

01:46:35.080 it as though it was a call to action to assassinate a sitting U.S. senator because I said to Mike

01:46:41.680 Johnson because I was listening to him back and forth.

01:46:43.940 I said, like, if Mike Johnson actually cared about Medicare fraud, he would tackle Medicare

01:46:50.120 fraud happening at the point of the providers.

01:46:52.200 But it's obvious that he doesn't care about Medicare fraud because if he did care about

01:46:56.280 Medicare fraud, he would break Scott, who is responsible for the historic one point seven

01:47:05.800 billion dollars worth of Medicare fraud.

01:47:08.300 And is he still working the bro?

01:47:10.040 He's he he was a he was a corporate executive at HCA at the time in the 90s.

01:47:16.680 The DOJ came after him and and he basically quit his job.

01:47:22.520 He got a ten million dollar compensation package after doing one point seven billion dollars

01:47:27.180 in the private sector and then came and worked in the private sector.

01:47:30.340 He got three hundred million dollars in stock options.

01:47:32.820 Didn't see a fucking moment of jail time for that.

01:47:35.680 OK.

01:47:36.760 And then now and then he became Florida governor.

01:47:38.740 And now he's a fucking Florida senator and he's a prominent figure in the Republican

01:47:42.420 Party.

01:47:42.840 I think he was like their head of their fundraising or some shit.

01:47:44.940 I forget what his position in the Trump campaign and the Republican Party is beyond

01:47:49.380 the fact that he's a senator.

01:47:52.180 I don't know if they should allow people to go from one to the other from private to public.

01:47:57.680 You know what I'm saying?

01:47:58.080 Like, I just because it just obviously there's conflicts of interest when people do that sort

01:48:02.680 of thing, you know?

01:48:03.380 Oh, for sure.

01:48:04.180 I mean, that's one aspect.

01:48:05.220 But I agree with you.

01:48:06.320 I agree.

01:48:06.800 It's like that guy should be in jail.

01:48:09.560 Like, that's what I think.

01:48:10.820 Yeah.

01:48:11.040 I think if you do one point seven billion dollars in Medicare fraud, you should be in

01:48:14.820 fucking jail.

01:48:15.420 Like, what are we talking about?

01:48:16.740 I shouldn't be a Republican senator from Florida.

01:48:20.120 Yeah.

01:48:20.320 It says right here.

01:48:22.280 Rick Scott's role in the Columbia HCA scandal.

01:48:24.480 In 2003, Rick Scott's company, Columbia HCA, the largest private hospital chain in the

01:48:28.520 U.S., was found guilty of defrauding Medicare.

01:48:31.500 The company was forced to pay 1.7 billion a settlement.

01:48:34.600 That was the largest medical fraud fine in U.S. history at the time.

01:48:38.680 Scott, who was the CEO, left the company with a $10 million severance package after this

01:48:42.000 scandal.

01:48:42.160 $300 million in stock options, too.

01:48:43.840 Wow.

01:48:44.920 So do you start to wonder, so this was when he was in the private sector, right?

01:48:48.300 Yeah.

01:48:48.920 So it's, yeah, what's going to be different if a guy comes over from that private sector

01:48:52.060 to the public sector?

01:48:53.500 Should, it's this, like...

01:48:55.200 He's the richest congressperson, by the way.

01:48:56.960 Is he really?

01:48:57.500 Yeah.

01:48:58.220 Fuck that, man.

01:48:59.160 Give us some fucking money.

01:48:59.920 I think people should only be able to have a certain amount of money.

01:49:03.760 Yeah.

01:49:04.400 I mean, look, I don't necessarily care about how much money people have.

01:49:07.900 I care about how they make their money.

01:49:10.100 But no, I agree.

01:49:11.220 How does this guy...

01:49:12.220 How do you keep from...

01:49:13.140 Like his LeBron James.

01:49:14.240 Right.

01:49:14.700 50,000 points.

01:49:16.520 He crossed over that boundary.

01:49:18.700 20 plus years of dominance in the league.

01:49:21.940 He gets paid a wage.

01:49:24.120 He's a, what is known as one of the few people, is like a wage billionaire, basically.

01:49:28.500 If he makes that kind of money, that means he's making somebody else a fuck ton more money.

01:49:35.240 Right?

01:49:36.240 And I don't mind that he's getting paid these big bucks.

01:49:40.400 Partially because he's my goat and I love him.

01:49:42.680 Okay.

01:49:42.840 And I think he deserves it.

01:49:44.160 But also partially because he's not making that by like hiring people and then forcing them to work to the bone.

01:49:52.340 He does have businesses.

01:49:53.700 He's also obviously an owner of capital as well.

01:49:56.500 So he does capital accumulation as well.

01:50:00.160 But ultimately, I just want people to be comfortable.

01:50:03.640 And I think that if you are working a job, like you should be able to have a house.

01:50:09.960 You should be able to live comfortably.

01:50:12.460 Yeah.

01:50:12.560 And it doesn't matter what job it is.

01:50:14.320 You could be picking up trash.

01:50:15.600 I think that's still obviously valuable.

01:50:18.580 It's worthwhile.

01:50:19.560 Also, I guess sanitation is one of the worst examples because they do have pretty solid unions.

01:50:24.780 Yeah.

01:50:24.940 We had a garbage man on who was awesome, man.

01:50:26.720 My buddy Wayne, he's got a podcast now called Trash Talk.

01:50:29.500 But yeah.

01:50:31.320 Yeah.

01:50:31.520 They do pretty well.

01:50:32.380 But then what about LeBron's companies if they're buying shirts from another country?

01:50:36.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:50:36.700 And that labor there and those people, that guy's sleeping on a tricycle seat at night because

01:50:40.340 he has to be at work again in the morning.

01:50:41.800 So that part, that's what I'm saying.

01:50:43.720 That part, I don't agree with.

01:50:45.060 But I'm saying if he was just making all of his money from just bawling and he's getting

01:50:49.700 a wage, who cares?

01:50:50.900 I don't have an issue with that.

01:50:52.600 Especially if the, hold on, I got to open my door.

01:50:56.080 Sorry.

01:50:57.180 I got, I got FedEx at the door and it's raining.

01:50:59.920 I feel bad.

01:51:00.860 Oh, it's raining out there, huh?

01:51:02.340 Yeah.

01:51:03.120 All right.

01:51:03.480 I got it.

01:51:04.560 I did it.

01:51:05.440 I did it.

01:51:06.200 We brought him inside.

01:51:08.480 We know who sent the rain in probably too.

01:51:11.260 What?

01:51:11.780 The weather machine?

01:51:13.880 Oh, the Jews?

01:51:16.480 Yo no se, yo no se.

01:51:18.720 I'm illegal.

01:51:19.820 That's what I say.

01:51:20.580 That's so funny.

01:51:21.380 When the Jews come for me, I'll be like, I'm illegal.

01:51:24.120 That's what I'm saying, dude.

01:51:25.240 You see, like, this is another example of like, you know, you could normal, under normal

01:51:31.560 circumstances, you can make this joke, but then like, then there's motherfuckers who

01:51:34.320 really believe it.

01:51:35.360 Yeah.

01:51:35.600 When there's like dudes who are like, no, you're, Marjorie Taylor Greene was talking

01:51:39.060 about how they have a weather machine.

01:51:40.620 She wasn't saying Jews, but she was like, they have a weather machine.

01:51:44.520 But imagine you're rich enough, say you were rich enough, like a Mike, not Mike Jones

01:51:49.860 or whatever that's that rapper, but I'm thinking of Bill Gates, right?

01:51:56.160 If you had enough money, bro, you would fucking get it.

01:51:58.600 And some guy's like, look, for one bill, I'll get you a weather machine.

01:52:02.180 We'll get you the one.

01:52:02.700 You'd be like, I'd get that bitch in a heartbeat, dude.

01:52:04.940 Imagine you're sitting at home, you're having your coffee, and you're like, all right, Detroit,

01:52:09.860 fuck you guys.

01:52:10.640 Here's seven inches right now, dude.

01:52:12.940 Here's seven white inches.

01:52:14.400 It's really the only way that frickin' a white guy can give seven to ten white inches anymore

01:52:19.460 is by pressing that weather button.

01:52:21.440 It's Bill Gates, pressing the weather button.

01:52:23.060 It's pressing the weather button.

01:52:24.020 But no, man, I think it's, would you have had Trump come on your show?

01:52:29.260 But first of all, thankfully, we can still joke around about stuff, and we can have a

01:52:34.340 sense of humor.

01:52:35.440 Imagine if we didn't, as individuals, have a sense of humor.

01:52:39.300 That would be...

01:52:40.620 I agree with you.

01:52:42.100 That would be the saddest.

01:52:43.160 I agree with you.

01:52:43.920 I love comedy.

01:52:46.260 You know, Bill Burr is my goat.

01:52:48.780 Yeah, dude.

01:52:49.400 I think he is, you know, I mean, you're a comedian as well.

01:52:53.720 I'm obviously very good friends with Stavi as well.

01:52:55.980 I know you always link up with him.

01:52:59.020 But the thing...

01:52:59.720 He made me some cookies his mother made.

01:53:01.480 Oh, dude, me too.

01:53:02.300 Yeah.

01:53:02.480 When he was out here, I ate all of it.

01:53:04.720 Oh, you didn't like them?

01:53:05.460 I know.

01:53:05.720 I liked them.

01:53:06.140 I'm just sad that they're bipartisan snacks he's sending out.

01:53:09.460 But no, I'm joking.

01:53:10.360 Oh, man.

01:53:10.720 Damn.

01:53:11.400 No.

01:53:11.980 Listen, he's been...

01:53:12.720 It was so sweet of him.

01:53:14.140 It was this only friend of mine that did that.

01:53:16.420 Very sweet of him.

01:53:17.480 He...

01:53:17.760 Did he also...

01:53:18.580 He's like, my mother wants to see those shits fucking good.

01:53:20.880 Did he also shill his fucking calendars, his naked calendars, give you those two?

01:53:24.400 I think he did, dude.

01:53:24.960 Those shits have been sitting on my desk every time.

01:53:28.200 I'll have, like...

01:53:29.300 Bro, I'll have, like, you know, prominent figures, like activists and shit, at my house.

01:53:35.820 And I'm interviewing them.

01:53:37.160 Like, there was Motaz Aziza.

01:53:38.700 I'm interviewing him.

01:53:39.640 He literally survived the genocide.

01:53:41.340 He's a photojournalist from Gaza.

01:53:43.180 And fucking Stavi's naked body is just sitting there on the fucking desk.

01:53:47.040 I'm like, oh, my God.

01:53:49.380 Like, it's just...

01:53:51.140 It's fucked up.

01:53:52.520 It's fucked up.

01:53:53.180 Being friends with Stavi is fucked up.

01:53:54.540 That's why you can't trust the Greeks.

01:53:55.860 Oh, now that...

01:53:56.820 Look, finally something that we're...

01:53:58.180 Let me tell you, as a Turkish man...

01:53:59.040 We were both...

01:53:59.980 Let me tell you.

01:54:00.740 Both sided agreement on, right?

01:54:02.800 Yeah.

01:54:03.920 Bipartisanship on that front, for sure.

01:54:05.220 You cannot trust these Greeks.

01:54:07.140 Yeah, the third month of his calendar is Gorgonzola or whatever.

01:54:10.260 I'm like, this seems like, fuck it.

01:54:12.480 It was like January, February, March, April, Baklava, June, July.

01:54:16.680 I'm like, that seems...

01:54:18.040 That's the other thing, yeah.

01:54:19.300 Stealing my people's food, saying it's his.

01:54:21.940 Oh, that's right.

01:54:22.960 Baklava's Turkish, bro.

01:54:24.380 It's Turkish.

01:54:25.300 We'll have to talk about that next time.

01:54:27.180 Would you have Trump on if he would podcast with you?

01:54:29.900 Do you feel like you're that far removed from getting to talk to guys like that?

01:54:33.340 No.

01:54:33.940 No.

01:54:34.420 I mean, I've talked...

01:54:35.380 Well...

01:54:35.720 I mean, you talked to Sanders.

01:54:36.840 I don't even know why I said that.

01:54:37.940 I talked to Bradley Martin multiple times after.

01:54:41.360 Like, I mean, he...

01:54:42.580 Like, I'm not above, like, going on, you know, right-wing podcasts.

01:54:47.720 I'm not above talking to people who have talked to Trump because I think, like, I don't care

01:54:53.100 about, like, the partisanship angle of this at all.

01:54:55.660 I want to be able to communicate to people exactly where the problems are and why people

01:55:01.180 like Trump, just like people like Kamala, are not the perfect solution to any of these

01:55:05.820 issues.

01:55:07.080 And I would talk to Trump.

01:55:09.500 I just don't think he would come on my stream.

01:55:12.620 Like, because he is, at the end of the day, he wants to go on a show where they're not

01:55:18.940 going to, like, you know, push back too much, right?

01:55:21.740 He wants to come across as, like, he wants to be humanized.

01:55:25.520 And he wants to come across as, like, a personal, a personality that is not devoid of charisma.

01:55:31.680 And he's very telegenic.

01:55:33.560 It was actually my turning point when I listened to him and you talk about cocaine.

01:55:39.520 When you were talking about doing coke and he was, like, genuinely expressing interest

01:55:43.440 in it, I was like, oh, fuck.

01:55:45.580 This motherfucker's going to win, dude.

01:55:47.000 This podcast shit is working so good.

01:55:49.220 Because first he did the Aiden Ross thing and that was, like, a bit of a dud.

01:55:52.280 Yeah, I thought that was kind of weird.

01:55:53.400 Because that just, like, didn't work out at all because it wasn't, like, a normal conversation.

01:55:59.400 Well, it didn't feel, it felt kind of planned.

01:56:01.060 Yeah.

01:56:01.540 Like, they wanted to do, like, a video, like, let's do some social video.

01:56:04.380 And I was like, I don't want to do something like that.

01:56:05.620 Yeah, like, the whole dancing and stuff in front of the Cybertruck with a photo of him

01:56:09.500 getting shot.

01:56:09.840 I didn't love that either.

01:56:10.300 Like, that stuff, it didn't work at all.

01:56:12.260 But then I saw your podcast and I was like, oh, my God, this motherfucker, this motherfucker

01:56:16.200 is going to win the goddamn presidency.

01:56:18.700 But he didn't come, I mean, they didn't ask for any, they didn't ask for any edits, you know?

01:56:21.820 That was the thing, they didn't say, like, we need to see this, they didn't fucking, you

01:56:25.440 guys have a good day.

01:56:26.320 Yeah, but that's also because, like, you're not.

01:56:28.840 But I'm also not a political guy.

01:56:30.540 Like, this was a trap I fell into recently.

01:56:32.940 Because you talked to Bernie Sanders, like, a week before, no?

01:56:35.520 Yeah.

01:56:35.960 That's what I mean.

01:56:37.340 That's what I mean.

01:56:38.040 So it's like, you're not, you're not going to, like, hit him on shit.

01:56:42.520 You're not going to hit him on, like, stuff that he has no answer for.

01:56:46.060 Well, because I think my goal is to find, it's not a goal, but I just want to get to know

01:56:49.140 people, kind of, right?

01:56:51.040 And I realized, I fell in this trap recently, I thought that just because I had some political

01:56:55.960 people on last year that I knew about politics, I do not.

01:56:59.660 That was a trap.

01:57:00.580 Even my own ego was like, oh, maybe I know something about politics.

01:57:03.140 I don't know shit.

01:57:03.620 Now I have some ideas.

01:57:04.820 I know what it feels like to be kind of like, I feel like just a pretty regular person.

01:57:09.260 And then, I don't know, I try to find empathy here and there and figure things out.

01:57:12.640 But, but I'm, and I'm learning a lot.

01:57:15.360 I've definitely learned a lot more than I knew two years ago, for sure.

01:57:17.660 But, but then to think that I, like, you know, I have to be careful not to like smoke

01:57:22.520 my nuts or whatever it's called, where it's like, you just, you know, just because I had

01:57:26.400 some politicians on, now I'm fucking, you know, Jim Rome or somebody, or, you know, like

01:57:30.460 a, you know, I'm like a Malcolm X.

01:57:35.700 Malcolm X.

01:57:36.200 Malcolm X, yeah.

01:57:38.060 Malcolm X.

01:57:38.980 Yeah.

01:57:39.300 So, yeah.

01:57:39.940 But anyway, but no, dude, I like your attitude.

01:57:43.160 I like your charisma.

01:57:43.800 I like that.

01:57:44.180 But I, I wanted to talk a little bit more about, I know you have a program where you

01:57:48.640 like try to co-op and put money back in things that mean something to you.

01:57:54.020 Yeah.

01:57:54.040 And my, my podcast is a cooperative corporation.

01:57:56.460 So like everyone has equal say, equal pay.

01:57:58.860 Yeah.

01:57:59.580 And there are different formations of that.

01:58:01.480 Like you don't have to make it equal pay, but I just thought it would be the best possible

01:58:05.840 way to go about it.

01:58:06.820 But it was most importantly, aside from the equal pay, the equal say part is really important.

01:58:11.080 We get together and, you know, if someone has a obligation, they're not showing up.

01:58:16.160 It's fine.

01:58:17.160 You know, we, we, we make do, we figure it out as we go along.

01:58:21.400 And I think that's how you get, that's how you get the most successful business.

01:58:26.100 Like for sure.

01:58:27.120 That's, that's something that I stand by.

01:58:28.980 And we still obviously have to hire contractors every now and then too.

01:58:31.780 Yeah, for sure.

01:58:32.880 And we could get together another time and talk about business strategy and things like

01:58:35.760 that.

01:58:35.960 I think it'd be interesting.

01:58:37.940 But yeah, I just wanted to just.

01:58:39.820 Then, yeah, we do a lot of fundraising.

01:58:41.140 Like the other, the other day I had the, the no other land, the, the Palestinians who,

01:58:46.800 who made a documentary about like their lives.

01:58:48.540 They were on your show?

01:58:49.140 Yeah.

01:58:49.440 I had them.

01:58:49.700 No!

01:58:50.200 We tried to get them.

01:58:51.060 I had them on my, I had them on my house.

01:58:52.800 Like I, they, they rolled up deep.

01:58:54.800 They had like 10 people.

01:58:55.900 Like the whole family was there.

01:58:57.440 Dude, no other friends.

01:58:58.760 That's what I'd say.

01:58:59.460 We invited two of you guys.

01:59:01.280 Yeah.

01:59:01.680 They, I mean, they also like straight up came from, you know, occupied Palestinian territory.

01:59:06.820 Like they flew into America.

01:59:09.260 And, and, you know, we were chilling.

01:59:11.560 We were just like talking about, talking about their experiences.

01:59:15.780 And I interviewed them.

01:59:16.880 And then in the process, like the organization that actually brought them here, who works with,

01:59:23.180 you know, a lot of Palestinians on the ground, like they were like, oh, can you share this

01:59:26.780 link to, to fundraise?

01:59:29.960 So I did.

01:59:30.680 And we, we, in the hour long interview that we did, we fundraised a hundred thousand dollars.

01:59:36.100 Now it's sitting at 135,000.

01:59:38.040 But like, that's the type of stuff that I love being able to do.

01:59:40.880 Cause like, I feel so powerless a lot of times when I see all of this death and destruction.

01:59:46.060 And I feel like it's, it's a meaningful way to be able to help to, to, you know, actively

01:59:50.760 fundraise, uh, gives myself and a lot of people that watch me the opportunity to say like, you

01:59:57.180 know, at least we're trying to do something, anything, you know what I mean?

02:00:00.860 So I, I try to do that to the best of my ability.

02:00:03.080 We've fundraised for, uh, Palestinian, uh, aid organizations to the tune of, I think like

02:00:09.060 almost more than $3 million at this point since, uh, since October seven.

02:00:13.800 Wow.

02:00:14.160 Yeah.

02:00:15.540 Dude.

02:00:15.920 Yeah.

02:00:16.200 No, I appreciate even saying that.

02:00:17.460 Cause I think that's something I need to hear more about.

02:00:19.060 It's on my brain and heart a lot.

02:00:20.180 We started a foundation last year, but haven't started to figure out like what to do with

02:00:25.000 the money or what exactly to do, you know?

02:00:26.760 Yeah.

02:00:26.980 Like I would like to create a business that like, like I thought about like water, like

02:00:30.940 you're selling water, but the money goes towards, uh, rehab for people that suffer from

02:00:36.420 opioid addiction, you know, that sort of thing.

02:00:37.840 Just so it's like using something that everybody needs, but the, finally the proceeds, it only

02:00:42.380 goes towards this thing.

02:00:44.600 There's not even a profit, you know, it's like, this is what it's for.

02:00:47.080 Yeah.

02:00:47.280 Yeah.

02:00:47.400 Yeah.

02:00:47.980 Um, but I need to be more.

02:00:49.760 I've done that in the past too.

02:00:51.040 Like, uh, my, my, like I have merch and it's us made union made.

02:00:56.020 Uh, and obviously the margins are incredibly slim for that reason.

02:00:59.160 American giant.

02:00:59.900 Is that dude does your merch or knows it?

02:01:01.140 No, it's a Bayside is my garment manufacturer.

02:01:03.800 My garment provider is one of the only union shops that is a garment manufacturer in the

02:01:09.640 country that can like, uh, keep up with the demand that we have because there's a shit

02:01:15.020 ton of people that are buying the t-shirts.

02:01:16.400 So like, and sometimes I'll just, uh, like I will fundraise like by, by saying all the

02:01:22.580 proceeds, like every single point of profit is directly going to a labor union.

02:01:28.400 Like we, uh, I gave, uh, the Amazon labor union, uh, I think it was like $170,000 or something

02:01:34.080 like that off of just that.

02:01:35.900 Um, we fundraise like, I think for Amazon, uh, packaging, the Amazon labor union.

02:01:40.460 Yeah.

02:01:40.640 Like the people that work at the distribution, uh, facilities.

02:01:44.240 Um, another thing I did this past year was for, uh, uh, I don't know how to say the name

02:01:49.920 correctly, but right.

02:01:50.680 He says it's a, it's an organization that works with undocumented migrants in, in Texas

02:01:55.240 specifically, and they give them, uh, you know, uh, translators and lawyers and, you

02:02:01.940 know, they pay for the lawyer fees and stuff like that.

02:02:04.120 So I'm, I'm actively working, uh, on fundraising initiatives like that, uh, because I feel like

02:02:11.360 there's a lot of stories that don't get told in mainstream media.

02:02:14.800 That's why I, uh, interviewed the incarcerated, uh, firefighters, uh, that were combating the

02:02:20.080 wildfires in LA.

02:02:21.900 You know, there's prisoners that fight wildfires, right?

02:02:24.400 Oh, they send prisoners out to fight them.

02:02:26.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:02:26.600 And there's like a training program and stuff.

02:02:28.560 I'm working with, uh, with an organization, uh, to, to go and actually see them at their

02:02:34.580 prison, their training camp.

02:02:36.060 Fuck yeah, dude.

02:02:36.800 Yeah.

02:02:37.160 That's so creative, man.

02:02:38.660 Yeah.

02:02:39.100 That's, um, yeah, I'm glad you say these things because yeah, it's just stuff that I can remember

02:02:46.140 to try to focus more on or, um, yeah.

02:02:49.520 Cause everybody, that's the crazy thing.

02:02:51.200 It's like everybody at every point of something, most people need support, right?

02:02:58.300 Or they need some kind of support.

02:02:59.460 They need an ear, they need a blanket, they need a mouthful of people, they need a friend,

02:03:05.000 you know, every it's, um, there's a lot of ways to be a part of the world, you know?

02:03:10.060 Um, and always to try and find, uh, a corner, um, where you can express care.

02:03:17.380 Um, Hassan Piker, thanks so much, dude.

02:03:20.280 I'd love to chat again sometime.

02:03:21.680 I know we didn't get to cover, uh, you know, some stuff we did, but I just appreciate it,

02:03:25.000 man.

02:03:25.200 I think, um, yeah, I just think it's important too, that, that, that people just get together

02:03:30.220 and talk about stuff, you know?

02:03:32.000 Uh, I wish I'd have been able to like, kind of like have probably some stronger political

02:03:36.780 conversation with you.

02:03:37.560 Some of that stuff I don't have as strong of a knowledge base in, but, um, but I admire

02:03:41.800 you, dude, and I admire, um, the way you operate and, uh, and I really appreciate your time

02:03:47.220 today.

02:03:47.680 All right.

02:03:48.120 Thanks for having me, man.

02:03:49.280 This was great.

02:03:49.980 I'm sorry I have to go stream for so long too, dude.

02:03:51.700 No, I love it.

02:03:52.660 I, I, I, that's, the things that I just told you in the last three minutes is exactly why

02:03:57.580 I love what I do because I have a, a, a giant community with a big heart and I, and I think

02:04:03.660 that that is what makes everything worth it.

02:04:06.280 Cause like I said, there's, there will, there will be people, uh, swearing up and down that

02:04:12.800 I'm the worst person that you've ever, uh, that you've ever met, no matter where I go.

02:04:18.240 Uh, there it's just noise is mostly people that are online that doesn't like translate

02:04:22.720 to real world experiences at all.

02:04:25.080 But, um, in spite of all of that, in spite of like people constantly working to actively

02:04:30.880 smear me to say I'm anti-Semitic or I love terrorism or whatever the fuck with clips out

02:04:36.160 of context and all this shit, at the end of the day, I get to make an impact and that's

02:04:40.860 how I see, sleep soundly at night, you know, where I, where I know that, uh, all of this

02:04:48.140 is worth it.

02:04:49.040 Why did Jewish friend recommend you to me about podcasting?

02:04:54.000 They said, do not name them.

02:04:55.340 Oh damn.

02:04:56.020 No, they didn't.

02:04:56.720 That part I made up, but, um, I'll just protect their anonymity, but it just, you know

02:05:00.400 I'm saying like, just, just, it's like people, I think people, I don't know.

02:05:05.900 We're all trying.

02:05:06.660 I think, yeah, I have a neat community too, that I feel like wants to do stuff that's

02:05:10.200 important in the world and we're all trying to figure out how, you know?

02:05:13.500 Um, but yeah, I, I, I just, I see that light in you, man.

02:05:16.800 And, um, I appreciate you coming and sharing your time with us today.

02:05:19.220 I really do.

02:05:19.760 All right.

02:05:20.220 Thanks for having me.

02:05:21.240 You bet, man.

02:05:21.700 Now, I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.

02:05:27.760 I must be cornerstone.

02:05:32.980 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.

02:05:38.380 I can feel it in my bones, but it's gonna tell you.

02:05:44.540 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I can feel it in my bones, but it's gonna tell you.

02:05:46.540 Oh, my God.

02:05:54.700 Okay.

This Past Weekend with Theo Von - March 07, 2025

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