On this episode of Sunday Uncensored, we sit down with Luke Hates the Government and discuss the events surrounding the Bundy Ranch standoff and the events that led up to it. Luke has been a law enforcement officer for over 20 years and has been involved in many controversial cases, including the Bundy case and the "Witchhunt" that resulted in the death of one of the most infamous members of the Bundy family, Steven Steven "Bundy's" LaVoy Finicum.
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00:00:39.000And, uh, I talked about it a bit at the time.
00:00:42.000And, of course, the mainstream media, far-right extremists and all that other bullshit, and I'm like, I don't know, what's the story here?
00:00:49.000But we only talked about it a little bit on the main show, and probably for obvious reasons, because some of this can get really spicy, I'd imagine.
00:00:56.000But where should we start on this one?
00:00:59.000Luke Hates the Government, you got a question to ask?
00:01:03.000What was the biggest learning lesson from all of this?
00:01:07.000Yeah, what'd you learn from going over everything and what kind of advice would you give individuals from your experience?
00:01:12.000You're gonna love this I think right because I learned and I mean I Honestly say that this I believe that this is the the biggest learning lesson That our rights are not maintained in the courts or in the ballot box that they're maintained On the grounds in which they were established.
00:01:30.000Now don't get me wrong, you know, good things happen and important things happen, especially in theory, in the courtroom and in the ballot box.
00:01:37.000So I am running for office, so that means something.
00:01:41.000But rights are not maintained in the courtroom or in the ballot box.
00:01:46.000They literally are maintained on the grounds and where they were established.
00:01:51.000And you maintain them by claiming them and by using them and by defending them.
00:01:56.000And sometimes you have to bring your friends around you to defend them.
00:02:01.000That's protest, that's First Amendment right there.
00:03:01.000We put the ranch back together, you know, got, repaired the, you know, the water infrastructure and the corrals, and ultimately, you know, built the herd back up, and so.
00:03:31.000Here I had this following, if you will, or I had the ability to be able to reach a lot of people.
00:03:39.000And I'm like, I felt like I needed to go help this family.
00:03:43.000So I went to Oregon, I found out, made sure that they were legit, and I began to shine a ton of light on what was happening to the Hammond family.
00:03:54.000And I got national attention, eventually got international attention, and of course they had to like squash it because uh in their own emails they were saying the virus is spreading like we have to stop this because we were winning the narrative again yeah and they were like we cannot allow another bundy ranch thing thing to happen so on the way to a count a meeting in grant county oregon like
00:04:20.000400 people including the county sheriff all that were waiting for us To address them in this meeting that they that the count those people in that county had organized.
00:04:29.000There's a pass where you lose Cell reception and as soon as we lost cell reception, they literally ambushed us the FBI and open fire on the vehicle and they end up killing LaVoy Finicum and then they arrested us and And then they went on a witch hunt and arrested everybody in the Nevada case as well.
00:04:49.000Would you mind if we looked the video up?
00:05:51.000So, because they arrested us, they threw us in prison, a federal detention center, federal prison, and we figured at some time we were going to have to prove that the FBI actually shot and the best evidence was in his shoulder.
00:06:09.000They'd be able to extract it, do the forensic analysis on whatever weapon shot it.
00:06:17.000You know, it was going to be an FBI weapon.
00:06:20.000I remember, so the Oregonian has Sean O'Cock's cell phone video from inside the boy Finnegan's truck.
00:06:26.000I remember the official narrative was that he got out of the vehicle and then went to draw his weapon, so they opened fire on him.
00:06:33.000And then the cell phone footage gets released showing they actually shot at the vehicle first.
00:06:40.000And then he gets out, he's being shot at.
00:06:43.000Then they claimed he went for his weapon and my understanding was that he was being shot at and he reached in for a holster, but you said that's not true.
00:06:50.000No, so the snow was deep and you could see it because the FBI had a drone or a plane but way up high with no sound, right?
00:06:59.000But you can see in the snow, you know when you're walking around the snow and he's saying, because what he did was they were firing into the vehicle and he Got out with his hands in the air and said shoot me shoot
00:07:12.000me He was trying to get them to draw fire to him to save the
00:07:16.000people that were in the vehicle Yeah, that's what he was doing and he raises his hand. Well,
00:07:21.000he he gets either get shot Because they were shooting these, you know, the the non-lethal
00:07:27.000ones as well He and he either goes down like that, but he does not reach
00:07:32.000into it he just goes down like he either stumbles or he gets shot
00:07:37.000and then they just open fired on him and shot him in the back three times and he just
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00:08:44.000When they stopped, you guys, was it like, we think you might have weapons, we got to search the vehicles, get out of the vehicle?
00:08:51.000So they had completely premeditated this.
00:08:53.000They had like, they had had these like, where they had cleared these areas out so that they had, you know, along the roads and that's where they ambushed us.
00:09:03.000And for like, for like me, we just, I mean, We didn't get shot at, but I did hear the shots and they did shoot at the front vehicle.
00:09:12.000And so we just sat there and then we got out and they just arrested us.
00:11:05.000So another thing that was going on when they shipped us down to Nevada is they put us in solitary confinement and we're, I mean, it was rough because they were, they were trying to break us so we would take a plea deal.
00:11:18.000So, because they knew in the end they didn't have a case, but they were, they were trying to break us.
00:11:24.000And they did break a bunch of, not my family, but a bunch of the other people that they arrested.
00:11:29.000And anyway, we finally get to trial and this is after being in prison for two years and half that time was in solitary confinement.
00:11:39.000We finally get there and there was like questions that we had that we didn't have evidence of certain things that we knew should be there.
00:11:48.000And so, when the witnesses got on the stand, the government witnesses, we started questioning them, like, hey, wait a minute, what about the video of the, where's all the information from the parabolical listening device that you guys had on our, because we could see the laser.
00:12:25.000So she was out of the system and came back to be a witness for the government.
00:12:30.000So she must have not got the memo and she spilled the beans.
00:12:33.000And once that door was open, then the judge was pissed, because she made her look like a fool.
00:12:42.000You asked her about the parabolic listening device?
00:12:43.000Yeah, well, my brother did, and my attorneys, because my brother went, he went pro se, and I had attorneys, so together was a really good combination.
00:13:30.000When the judge said that you were on a fishing expedition, How did the judge react when this retired woman comes out and says, oh yeah, we have this?
00:13:40.000So she immediately stopped the trial and scheduled the next day for an evidential hearing that went on for two weeks.
00:15:52.000Um, and they were the ones that were, you know, basically directing this assault and this, this, uh, all the things that were happening at the ranch.
00:16:02.000and they were directing, you know, like all of the the force side of it like making sure that you know how it was
00:16:12.000enforced like for example the First Amendment area and you know how they responded to protesters and and all of
00:16:20.000the security and overall watch was all
00:16:24.000directed by the FBI and While it was going on at the ranch in 2014
00:16:30.000We could see like these, you know, these BLM agents and they're wearing their tan uniforms and you could see well,
00:16:37.000that's a BLM That's a National Park for but there was these guys walking
00:17:50.000So, uh, part of it was, yeah, they, they had, it was a prison that had both sides of it because ultimately it was a detention center.
00:17:56.000So, um, which is, you know, actually even worse than the prisons.
00:18:01.000Cause you don't, you don't go out, you hardly go outside.
00:18:04.000You don't have any visits with your families.
00:18:06.000You don't, you know, uh, I mean, it's, it's crazy, even though you're not convicted, uh, you, you are, it's, it's, it's really a hard, terrible situation.
00:19:32.000Well, I mean, they always had their justification, but really, you know, like, you know, there would be, you know, stupid things like you had what they called contraband or something like that, you know, like salt and pepper that happened to me.
00:19:46.000I had salt one time and they did that to me.
00:19:53.000They literally had me down, there's five of them, they're stripping me naked.
00:20:00.000And one guy literally whispers in my ear that he's sorry he's doing this to me.
00:20:46.000Like, I'd read a book, like, in a day, just to try to buy time.
00:20:51.000And then also, for whatever reason, I don't really know why, but I turned nocturnal.
00:20:58.000Like, I don't know why, but I would be up during the night, and then I would sleep during the day.
00:21:04.000And the only time I got up was to eat during the day, because you have to – they just shove food through like a food port, a little hole in the door.
00:21:13.000Yeah, I lost like – so I came out of there.
00:21:16.000You know, I'm overweight now, but I mean, I am so, but I came out of there, uh, like I, I weigh two, two 3230 right between in two thirties right now.
00:21:25.000I came out of there 170 in the 175 range.
00:21:37.000I mean, it was hard not having that, you know, not having to be able to, like, it's crazy, but not be able to just love them and know that they needed it, you know, just to hold them.
00:22:07.000Oh, well, the Oregon prison was terrible.
00:22:13.000like they had this what they called gravy and it was literally just oil and uh it was like oil with like i think it had some pepper in it but very hardly no salt oil it was like this oil yeah i think it might they might have thrown like a boy on in in oil yeah and probably mix some water because it did have the little bubbles and that's what they called their their gravy and then they would serve it on like a Dry piece of bread or something.
00:22:42.000Nevada was a little better, but they had this bone meal that actually, because the prisoners that worked in the kitchen said that it says, not for human consumption.
00:23:45.000And the interesting thing is, is I actually won that battle.
00:23:51.000Myself and the other co-defendants, including my brothers, because I had Four brothers and my dad was in there as well with us.
00:24:00.000So we actually were the only people in the Bureau of Prison Systems that they couldn't strip church.
00:24:09.000But it took me almost a year of solitary confinement to win that battle.
00:24:16.000And what happened was, I didn't win it conventionally, but what happened is I wouldn't allow them to strip, so the prison stopped transporting me to my own trial.
00:24:40.000Well, uh, anyway, to have come to find out what happened is she goes, well, I want to talk to him on the phone.
00:24:46.000Well, as soon as I got her on the phone, I, I actually did a verbal motion, uh, to order the Southern Nevada detention center to transport me to my own trial.
00:26:14.000It went to the Ninth Circuit, and the Ninth Circuit unanimously agreed that the case was egregious, and they dismissed it without prejudice.
00:26:23.000Real quick, that female judge, I have to imagine, with what you've already told me, and there's probably a lot more, So they're lying to her about not transporting you.
00:26:32.000Then she finds out they're withholding evidence.
00:26:52.000And finally, If I was a judge, I would have immediately made a criminal referral for all of the people involved on the other side.
00:27:08.000Look, I've dealt with courts, and I was saying this before the show earlier, judges are just people.
00:27:14.000They may know the law, which is book learning, and procedure and policy on specifics of what is and isn't a crime.
00:27:21.000But when it comes to arguing, people really need to understand.
00:27:24.000When I was little, I thought lawyers were people who knew the law and would go before a judge and be like, but your honor, if we look at code 13C, and he goes, really?
00:28:00.000Apparently some people, workers of shoplifting, called security.
00:28:04.000Security sees me and my brother and assumes we must be the people, so what do they do?
00:28:07.000They immediately start beating the shit out of my brother.
00:28:09.000I call 911, they grab my phone, turn it off, grab me, arrest us, realize we're the wrong people, lie to the cops.
00:28:16.000When finally everything broke down, we refused to, so ultimately it comes after several months of court, we get offered by the ADA, me getting, my brother was gonna get six months for assault, and they wanted to give me 30 days or something max for disorderly.
00:28:34.000So we agreed, okay, my brother will plead guilty so that he avoids this and gets community service at his own discretion, it's a slap on the wrist, I'll go to trial because I'm risking a month.
00:28:44.000When we said that to our lawyer and he went up and told the judge and the ADA, the ADA screamed.
00:29:18.000And he goes, when I told the judge that you are now going to trial, he said, why are they both going to trial on a slap on the wrist charge?
00:29:27.000They're getting community service at their own discretion.
00:29:30.000He said, your honor, because they're innocent.
00:31:02.000And, of course, in the inner circles, they You know, they, I'm sure look terrible and, and all of that, but as far as, you know, accountability, nothing, nothing.
00:31:14.000Oh, I got to ask, what is, what were these charges even to begin with?
00:31:17.000So the charges in Nevada were all about like assault on a federal officer, you know, this video, no, this was the Oregon thing, you know, um, salt on a federal officers.
00:31:28.000I mean, we, we didn't even, I didn't even have a gun.
00:31:37.000Was it from one altercation that happened?
00:31:40.000It was basically because of the standoff on Saturday, if you will, like going and confronting them and saying, look, we're not okay with this.
00:32:57.000And then there was some people in the back that never pointed their guns that had some, but you know, there was this big narrative about how, like, you know, there was this huge standoff and we were threatened and threatening them, which they absolutely deserve to be threatened, right?
00:33:49.000This was a few days before the whole final because they just kept abusing people all week and finally people were like, we're done with this.
00:33:57.000We're going to go down and confront them.
00:33:59.000And ultimately gave them an ultimatum to leave and they left.
00:34:04.000They left within an hour in 107 vehicles because they were afraid of the people.
00:34:08.000And that's why I say our rights are not maintained in the courts or the ballot box.
00:34:12.000They're maintained by us uniting together, you know, and saying, look, you're not going to do this to us.