If a nuclear attack on the United States were to happen, what would life be like underground? How many feet of concrete would you need to be buried to survive? How long would it take to build a nuclear bunker? And what would you do in the event of a nuclear strike on your home or business? We talk all about it in this weekend's episode of Sunday Uncensored.
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00:00:32.000We were going to talk a little bit about Elon Musk and Steve Bannon as well.
00:00:36.000But Ian started asking about how, what do you say, like how much feet of concrete do you need and how long do you got to be underground if a nuke hits?
00:00:43.000Yeah, we're talking about Fortitude Ranch and how how life underground would be there.
00:00:46.000You were saying it's not, I don't know, you don't go too deep on it.
00:00:49.000Yeah, I mean, people have a conception kind of from the Cold War that you needed these deep underground bunkers to survive, and you don't.
00:00:56.000I mean, you're a deep underground in the Air Force at an ICBM silo because, you know, the Russians are shooting penetrating high-yield nuclear weapons.
00:01:04.000If you're in a remote area, you're very unlikely to have any nuclear weapon go off near you, and if you do, there's probably a ridge or something in between.
00:01:11.000And the blast wave, I mean, a building might get knocked down, but a shallow underground shelter like we use basements, they're gonna be just fine.
00:01:20.000When I went to Kiev, to go onto the subway is the most fucking insane thing ever.
00:01:27.000You have to go down hundreds of feet, or like a thousand feet below the earth.
00:01:47.000It would make sense, considering it's DC.
00:01:50.000But the reason Ukraine's stations were built so deep is because it's all communists, and the communists were like, we're gonna make everything as efficient as possible.
00:01:57.000So they were like, we need bomb- we need nuclear shelters.
00:02:14.000If there's a pandemic, the last thing in the world you want to be is deep underground, sharing air with other people.
00:02:20.000So at Fortitude, you guys, the main concern is airbursts, nuclear airbursts that would drop fallout particles, dust particles on the ground.
00:04:36.000A lot of things, you know, a lot of things.
00:04:38.000You can, uh, you can, if you dig, like if you had like a concrete block and then you filled the outer perimeter with water, that water is going to block a lot of radiation.
00:04:47.000But if you're talking about, I imagine, um, blasts, then earth is way better.
00:04:51.000Cause that's going to help stop the shock wave as well as the radioactivity or the, yeah, the radiation.
00:04:58.000So you can deal with radiation and fallout.
00:05:00.000If you know what you're doing, you've got the equipment, you've got the radiation detectors and the expertise, it's not that big of a threat.
00:05:50.000So the EMP threat to cars, you know, people read the book one second after and they think, oh, my car is going to be ruined.
00:05:56.000And I'm not talking about a Tesla electric car, but a normal fuel-injected car.
00:06:00.000I've worked with Air Force engineering companies who work on EMP protection for the Air Force and Strategic Command, and they assure me that it is very difficult to knock a car out.
00:06:13.000You know, so it's a metal cage shielding all its parts, so it's very, very difficult for EMP to take out a car.
00:06:19.000So cars will work, even if there's an EMP effect and if they're affected.
00:06:24.000The engineer told me that they had such a hard time, the only way they could get a car to be hit by EMP was if they connected a cable to the exhaust pipe and zapped it.
00:06:32.000That's the only way you could get them.
00:06:34.000And even then, it knocked the car off and it restarted.
00:07:37.000So, back up your computer system, keep that backup dry.
00:07:41.000As Tim said, in a Faraday cage, simple trash can.
00:07:43.000Now, putting it in the basement is better than, you know, on an upper floor.
00:07:47.000But you put a backup computer, put your ex... if you got more than one HF radio, ham radio, stick all that extra electronic stuff in a trash can in the basement.
00:07:57.000We got a lot of basements and underground shelters at Fortifood Ranch, so that's where we keep stuff.
00:10:50.000Everyone on the east can reach Fortitude Ranch, Tennessee.
00:10:54.000And now if they can connect, we can relay and do it.
00:10:56.000And that's important because we've got doctors and clinics at every locations, but you know, we've got like one gynecologist at Fort Ranch, Texas.
00:11:04.000So if there's some doc somewhere else has a patient and can't get a hold of the rest of the world, we can collaborate that way.
00:12:19.000He's an artificial intelligence expert.
00:12:21.000He's probably one of the most brilliant scientists of our era.
00:12:24.000He was on an army science advisory group, and this is what he warned.
00:12:28.000Pandemics, bioengineering is so easy to do, it's so widespread, and he compares it to nuclear weapons and he says it's far more destructive.
00:12:37.000In a nuclear war, even a big Soviet or Chinese-U.S.
00:12:41.000nuclear exchange, maybe we lose 10 million people.
00:12:44.000When you've got a pandemic, no one's coming to work, there's no food production, that's where you get to these 90% fatality levels.
00:12:52.000So pandemic's worse than a nuclear, big nuclear war, in terms of people who will die.
00:12:58.000And is that assuming that there's no clean water?
00:13:00.000It's just because there's no food production and people will be killing the marauding.
00:13:06.000You'll either starve or you're going to be shot if you don't have the supplies and the ability to defend your supplies.
00:13:12.000Like one of the things about COVID, the pandemic, I put it in air quotes, is because like, yeah, if there was no soap
00:13:18.000and water, we all would have fucking died.
00:13:41.000So speaking of government restrictions being a problem, if some shit hit the fan, there was like, people were trying to use their shortwave radios.
00:13:47.000I think you're supposed to have a license.
00:13:49.000Yeah, and a collapse, you don't need it.
00:13:50.000Now, to practice on our net, yeah, we have all our ranch managers with their licenses, but in a collapse, no, there's no law.
00:13:57.000You were talking about hunting or so earlier, you know.
00:14:24.000Oh my god, Phil saw a rat the other night in D.C.
00:14:27.000They're gonna go outside with a big net, they're gonna put a bunch of garbage on the ground, the pigeons will come, and they'll just chuck the whole net, it'll land on top of the pigeons, then you scoop it up, and then they'll just drag the pigeons, and they will eat pigeons.
00:14:37.000So, are there situations where people are like, bets are off, I'm using my shortwave radio without a license, I'm hunting without a license, and then the government will still be like, no, it's over when we say it's over, we're gonna come find you.
00:14:50.000Hold on, the crazy thing that no one talks about, when you watch a show like The Last of Us, is the weapons innovation that's going to rapidly occur with no government regulations.
00:15:00.000Everything we've been doing with our weapons, like I got the Sig M400 from Crowder, it's a 5.56.
00:15:06.000Yeah, imagine if these companies and gunsmiths could do whatever they wanted without fear of the government coming after them.
00:15:15.000There's going to be some crazy-ass innovation, rapidly!
00:15:18.000We have all this knowledge on how to use these guns, how to make these guns, and restrictions, because they will throw you in a box.
00:15:25.000But people are going to do some crazy-ass fucking shit the moment they get an opportunity to.
00:15:30.000People are doing crazy-ass shit right now, and it'll come out as soon as there's nobody looking.
00:15:57.000Yeah, but the problem is almost every company they source from all over the world and there is no sourcing from all over the world and it collapsed.
00:16:05.000You may not be able to source locally.
00:16:06.000So unless you got stuff stockpiled, your company's probably not going to produce.
00:16:12.000But once the government's out of the way, I'm saying, I'll put it this way, in Egypt during the 2013 revolution, they were making Pistol shotguns themselves.
00:16:23.000They manufactured these break-action guns that you'd open up, put a shell in, and close, and then... People are gonna be doing crazy-ass shit with the stuff they find.
00:16:35.000You're gonna see stuff like grease guns, you know?
00:16:37.000Things that are gonna be, like, fashioned from other things, that are gonna become a regular occurrence, that are gonna be easy to produce, that don't necessarily need, like, a forge.
00:16:44.000Shinzo Abe was killed with a hand, you know, homemade gun in Japan.
00:16:50.000And they're essentially... Yeah, check this shit out.
00:17:20.000I think things like potato guns, things like that, they're going to be, you know, way easier to just quickly build and that are pretty devastating, you know?
00:17:49.000Are there like levels of breakdown of where it's like one could be the power goes out and communications are down for two weeks or for unknown, but like the government's still fully operational or maybe like some areas of the country are down and they're like, we're going to act as if the power's out.
00:18:06.000We're using our radio waves without licenses.
00:18:09.000And then, but in DC, they're like, no, it's not, it's not down.
00:18:13.000If, if, if the, if something goes down like that, you can use you.
00:18:17.000You can use whatever you want, essentially, because the police are not going to be concerned with small-time people.
00:18:24.000If you're using your walkie-talkie, UHF, and you don't have a license, no one cares.
00:19:11.000Here's your point on continuity government, and that's one of the reasons why a collapse is worse for us, because that is a priority of government.
00:19:21.000So that means that, you know, a mayor of New York City who has a small security deal and a collapse, he gets augmented, because you've got to keep the mayor alive, right?
00:19:31.000And the governor always has state patrol people following him for security.
00:19:37.000In a collapse they'll get more because they'll be worried about keeping the governor alive and the governor's worried about it.
00:19:42.000And so there's going to be a lot more policemen, state patrol that are assigned to protecting the government authorities and it extends to the heads of agencies.
00:19:51.000So FEMA's not just, FEMA's not focused on protecting you.
00:19:55.000They're focused on running Mount Weather and protecting top government officials.
00:19:59.000So there's less police and certainly less military and National Guard forces available to help you at a time where the threats are way up.
00:20:08.000Your best bet is... And a collapse, no one, if you call the police, don't waste your time in a collapse calling the police.
00:21:53.000Yeah, the thing is like you want to be, you want to be an asset to the community for what they already have planned.
00:22:01.000So your best bet, again, talk to your sheriff, find out what your local, what your sheriffs are going to say.
00:22:09.000Asking me what a hypothetical or asking someone else what a hypothetical, you know, what you would be, what would be needed in a hypothetical situation?
00:22:19.000But, If you go and you get some first aid training, and you can do emergency services stuff, you can put on tourniquets, you can patch, you know, plug holes and stuff, that kind of stuff is valuable.
00:22:31.000And those are things that you should know how to do.
00:22:33.000That's one of the things, like every year I go and do handgun classes, or at least one firearms training class, and there's almost always first aid stuff included in it.
00:22:43.000You should make sure that you have like, First aid, like you saw what I have in my bag or my jeep.
00:22:49.000There's a bunch of, I've got like 10 tourniquets in my jeep at all times.
00:23:08.000And all that stuff, like if I happen across a car accident, And someone has a compound fracture where their bone's sticking out, I can be of service to someone with that stuff.
00:23:18.000It's valuable in like a real world scenario.
00:23:22.000Like even taking like a woofer class, like a wilderness first responder class, you still have to take those to be a RAF guide.
00:23:26.000If you don't take, if you don't know really simple things, you can lose somebody really quick.
00:23:36.000And what they would do is they would use the trainees as Subjects in the training exercise we did one where I think the first one we did he was like we're gonna break you up onto groups and then groups are gonna go in one at a time and then Basically every they have a bunch of people standing in a market And they say your task is to go and meet up with your contact at this marketplace Figure out what this what what your source has to tell you because we're journalists or whatever and then report back to your boss
00:24:06.000What they would do is, we would walk into this marketplace, and then randomly at some point, they would kidnap one of the members of the group, and invariably, no one noticed a member of their group went missing.
00:24:19.000So for me, I was actually the guy who got kidnapped.
00:24:23.000So we walk into the market, and then I hear a, And then I look to my left and the guy is on the other side of the building goes, come over here.
00:24:28.000And I walk over and he goes, Hey, we're going to kidnap you.
00:24:57.000My favorite was when we went to a village, there was a disaster.
00:25:02.000So you've been called in to provide aid, you're the closest people nearby, you got a first aid kit.
00:25:06.000And so they told me to do whatever the fuck I wanted.
00:25:10.000So what I did was when all of the people were yelling, like, so they have the journalists come in and the security forces and then the villagers were in on the gag.
00:25:21.000I stayed away from everybody and was leaning up against the wall.
00:25:25.000As they all started fighting, I walked up to one of the trainees, and I pickpocketed the radio from him, and then just left.
00:25:32.000And went to the boss, and I was like, gave him the radio, I was like, here you go.
00:25:35.000And then he started laughing, and he was like, yup.
00:25:37.000And then, with the trainees, they were supposed to call in in the case of an emergency, and the guy goes, starts filling his pocket, and he's like, my radio's gone!
00:26:46.000You and one other person that you know him, he knows you, and situations like Tim's saying, like, they tend to tell people to count and just know the number.
00:26:56.000And you do a count all the time, right?
00:26:58.000So if there's 10 of you, everyone has a number and everyone goes, just count down.
00:27:01.000Just so long as there's 10, then okay, all the bodies are here.
00:27:05.000Like, I was talking about, like, have stuff.
00:27:07.000This stuff right here, this is a blowout kit.
00:28:58.000So if you can take care of yourself, even to a little degree, you know, yeah, that's going to help a lot.
00:29:02.000Back to your point on sheriffs, I mean, I don't know if you've talked about it on the show, but have you been noticing all the sheriffs in rural county areas have been saying, we're not going to enforce the state gun control laws?
00:29:12.000I don't know if you've had the Constitutional Sheriffs Association on your show, but you might want to get someone from them to come on your show.
00:29:20.000Because they understand that you want to have your citizens having a lot of arms, because that's part of your force to help protect you.
00:29:28.000And these people are going to die so fast.
00:29:29.000I mean, outsiders from the big cities are going to have to get out, they're going to
00:29:41.000And these people are going to die so fast.
00:29:44.000These urban liberal types who are going to start starving and suffering, what they're
00:29:48.000going to do is they're going to have meetings and be like, we need food, and they're going
00:29:51.000to be like, we don't have any, and they're going to be like, well this is bullshit, where
00:29:55.000They're like, we're gonna have to go and take it from somebody.
00:29:58.000And then you're gonna have a bunch of weak, limp-wristed people getting guns from the police, morbidly obese police officers, okay, a bit of exaggeration, but out of shape and obese officers being like, Well, I guess we can go try.
00:30:11.000Then you're gonna have rural police and rural country folk who chop wood all day, who have guns.
00:30:18.000So when the, you know, former military, the veterans, are guarding, say, Fortitude Ranch, and they see some waddling fat, you know, urban liberals who are desperate and starving, I'm pretty sure who's gonna win that gunfight.
00:30:31.000Well, the dumb people will die early, but you know, eventually if the collapse lasts a long time, it'll be smart marauder groups.
00:30:55.000But like three layers of them and guard posts where guys have guns.
00:30:58.000If the guys with the guns are no longer there, now it's just a chain link fence.
00:31:02.000Now they go in and they grab bolt cutters and they just go snip, snip, snip, and now there's no fence anymore.
00:31:06.000They probably wouldn't want to destroy the fences though.
00:31:08.000Family members would likely just get them out or gain access to the building.
00:31:12.000Some guard is going to leave behind a bunch of shit and flee when shit hits the fan.
00:31:15.000Someone will walk in, open all the doors, and the prison becomes a fortress.
00:31:19.000I don't, I haven't spent a lot of time in jails, but, or prisons really, one in particular that I visited, and that was, if they're out in the yard, it's only just a fence, but if they're in the cells, it's like maglock doors into a, into an area that's like a common area, into their maglock cells, so like if they're in there, there's no coming out, unless someone has keys.
00:31:39.000And so what happens is, of the thousand plus people in this particular jail, Who all have on average five immediate family members.
00:31:47.000You have 5,000 people who are saying, I want my son, my brother, my dad out of prison.
00:31:52.000They're not just going to be like, my dad's in that jail.
00:32:41.000It's more likely that marauders are gonna come upon a prison where everyone's dead because they starved, and then they're gonna take it over.
00:32:47.000You think it'd be the other way around?
00:32:50.000Ian, you think, how many people do you think are in Rikers?
00:33:31.000They're gonna be like, I'm gonna steal the keys to that bulldozer that are probably sitting in it already because some of the construction guys leave it there, and I am going to crush the wall of that building and get my dad out.
00:34:01.000Like I said earlier, it's going to be a situation as soon as cops stop going to work, as soon as EMS stops going to work, as soon as fire departments stop going to work.
00:34:09.000You think that your security guards at a prison are going to work?
00:34:16.000They're staying home to protect their families.
00:34:18.000It's all about, like, the collapse of society happens, like, it sounds stupid to say it like this, but the collapse of society happens when society collapses.
00:34:28.000Like, so, like, when society collapses, that means things don't happen like they normally do.
00:34:48.000So that means you're gonna have John the prisoner, who's somewhat friends with a handful of the guys in the jail, he's gonna show up and be like, hey, the warden's gone.
00:34:56.000Like, I don't know what the fuck's going on.
00:35:16.000And he's got video games, he's got a Nintendo Switch, and he's like playing, he's doing that stuff.
00:35:19.000He's like, you're not supposed to have any of this stuff, guards are chill.
00:35:22.000The guards aren't gonna be like, I will leave all of them to die.
00:35:25.000Like, I'd imagine most prison guards, at least one, is gonna throw the keys to a guy and be like, get everybody out of here, I'm fucking gone.
00:35:31.000Yeah, I think we lead the world in, you know, prisoners per capita of the United States, but most, you know, the vast majority are not hardened criminals or even horrible people.
00:35:40.000They're people who use drugs or got caught with something and, you know, and for short term, they're not really wretched people.
00:36:37.000You guys are always accusing me of being paranoid and not being optimistic, but I believe in wishes and good things, so I brought you this poster.
00:36:45.000It says, when you wish upon a falling star, your dreams come true.
00:36:48.000And then it says, unless it's really a meteor hurling toward the earth, which will destroy all life, then you're pretty much hosed no matter what you wish for, unless it's death by meteorite.
00:36:57.000Just lift it up a tiny more, yeah, it's alright.