Julian Assange has been in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for over a year. He's been accused of spying for the CIA, and has been under surveillance by the authorities in Ecuador for years. He claims that he's been spied on by a foreign intelligence agency, and that they want him to go to Sweden to be tried for espionage.
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00:01:27.000Yeah, it was an apolitical, very boring conversation, not related to really anything.
00:01:32.000And I don't know what the point was, but you know, shout out to Julian Assange.
00:01:35.000Well, I'm out there in DC demonstrating for him all the time.
00:01:39.000We do all the coverage we can to support his freedom, but I never got to meet him, but we were in touch through encrypted communications just talking about what was going on with his In one of our last communications, I'm going to struggle to remember this right, but it's very intriguing.
00:01:59.000He told me, can you call this number or these guys who are offering photos of me inside the embassy and exclusive video of me inside the embassy for money and try to figure out who they are?
00:02:17.000Okay, so I called them, and in Spanish I said, I'm a producer for Fox News, and I have a million dollars, and I want these photos and videos.
00:02:26.000Because the question is, how did somebody from outside the Ecuadorian embassy have footage of Julian Assange?
00:02:32.000It must mean a foreign intelligence agency had infiltrated the Ecuadorian embassy, which is what Julian Assange was always saying was happening.
00:02:41.000So I actually set up a meeting with them, And one of Assange's lawyers and a few other,
00:02:47.000some of his lawyers went and met them and found out that a Spanish security firm called UC Global
00:03:09.000He'd been traveling to Las Vegas to the hotel of Sheldon Adelson, who was being used as a CIA cutout to fund this operation.
00:03:19.000And he had stuck his forces, his men, as a security company inside the Ecuadorian embassy.
00:03:26.000They got a contract with Ecuador secretly on behalf of the CIA to surveil Julian Assange.
00:03:32.000And they were monitoring his every move, monitoring every conversation.
00:03:36.000They actually hacked into Pamela Anderson's email because she wrote down on a piece of paper her password for him so that he could check it or something.
00:04:31.000And that's what this operation was all about.
00:04:34.000So it all comes to a head in, I think, late 2018.
00:04:38.000Ecuador's Basically, Ecuador's version of the CIA director comes to meet with Julian Assange and they're talking about basically a prison break where they're going to get him out of there and get him to a third country that will host him the way Russia hosted Edward Snowden.
00:04:57.000They didn't know they were being surveilled by the CIA.
00:05:00.000So the next day, the very next day in a court in Northern Virginia, The secret indictment of Julian Assange is issued and they surround the place with police and they set the stage for his arrest.
00:05:16.000It is and he's been tortured ever since yeah I mean this is a guy who has two young kids who has a wife and the only way he can meet his kids is if their first totally frisked their mouths are opened and Like if he tries to touch them before they're totally bodily searched his young kids police will tackle him Don Don jr.
00:05:37.000Came on the show I think he said it twice.
00:06:16.000Julian wouldn't give it up because Julian is preserving his legacy and his organization, WikiLeaks.
00:06:22.000So he's not going to compromise the entire operation because of Trump wanting to expose something or whatever information Trump thought he was going to get out of it.
00:06:29.000Well, two guests that were being surveilled were Chuck Johnson and Dana Rohrabacher, who went supposedly on behalf of the Trump campaign to offer Julian Assange a pardon if he would agree to say, you know, Russiagate was a fraud, the WikiLeaks emails were not given to him by Russia.
00:06:47.000Well, my understanding- Podesta leaks and so on.
00:06:51.000I think this one's gonna come out of a matter of perspective.
00:06:53.000My understanding was they were asking him to expose that it wasn't not to say, you know what I mean?
00:06:59.000Like, I'm sure there's a view that, hey, just like the people who hate Trump are gonna say, he said, just claim it so we can use it.
00:07:05.000My understanding is they went to him and said, we know you have the evidence, we want it.
00:07:09.000And when he said, no, Trump said, then I'm gonna take it from you by force.
00:07:13.000And so, That's why he tried to pull him out, which is bullshit.
00:07:17.000He should have been pardoned and released.
00:07:18.000And I think that would have gone way better for Trump if he had acted in good faith.
00:07:23.000But let's talk about Palestine as the 51st state.
00:07:43.000It had great copy editors, really put together well.
00:07:48.000It was kind of unnerving to people that the Islamic State was able to produce this type of propaganda.
00:07:54.000In Dabiq, one of the issues they had an article called why we hate you and why we fight you right and it outlines the whole reason why the islamic fundamentalists hate everybody that are not islamic fundamentalists and i cannot
00:08:13.000I cannot recommend more strongly that you read it.
00:08:16.000Now, this does not reflect every Muslim, obviously, but what it does do is give people an inside look from the horse's mouth the way that the actual terrorists Look at people that are not Muslims.
00:08:38.000We hate you because you're unbelievers and we are going to kill you if we get the chance and the only thing that you can do is convert to Islam and that is still a motivating factor in portions of The, the, or at least in, in, when it comes to Islamic terrorism, there are people that say, oh, well, there are, there are fundamentalist Jews that hate other people and fundamentalist Christians that hate other people.
00:09:01.000And that's all true, but there's only one religion that's been chopping heads off in the past 10 years, 15 years.
00:09:12.000I opened it and then I was just listening to Veronica.
00:09:15.000It's a minority, extreme sect of the religion that emerges from Saudi Arabia, Wahhabism, which Qasem Soleimani fought tooth and nail in Iraq, in Syria, because they're such a threat to many of the Muslims who live there and the Christians.
00:09:32.000Yeah, because they don't like apostates.
00:09:33.000Well, it's anybody, apostates, anyone that's not a... Because if I understand correctly, They believe that everyone is born Muslim.
00:09:40.000And then if you turn, if you revert to being Muslim, Muslim is like this day.
00:09:48.000So, so that means anyone that if you're born and you are not a Muslim, like you're born a Christian, they, to them, you are an apostate because you have left the religion.
00:09:57.000And that means that, and what the only thing that they think that should happen to apostates is kill them.
00:10:02.000So everyone on earth that is born a Muslim, and then they turn away if they follow any other religion, so that means they all get the sword.
00:10:15.000Now, it's not the majority, but it is real, and it is why people will strap a bomb on themselves and go and kill people that are not Well, the suicide bombing tactic was pioneered by a non-Muslim group called the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka.
00:10:33.000Most suicide bombings throughout history have been carried out by them.
00:10:38.000And there have been, you know, forms of suicide attacks carried out by the Islamic Republic.
00:11:11.000I mean, the most comprehensive study of suicide bombing was conducted by Robert Pape.
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00:12:45.000Secretary of State John Kerry was recorded.
00:12:47.000But their motivation was still the Levant.
00:12:49.000Their motivation was to recreate, to rebuild the caliphate.
00:12:54.000But you have other Islamist groups, for example, that are willing to live with non-Muslims in their midst.
00:13:02.000It might not be like the greatest situation for these minorities, but they're not trying to eradicate them.
00:13:09.000Actually, one of the inspirations for the name The Gray Zone was a paper that was called The Extinction of the Gray Zone that was issued in Dabiq and it called for Muslims in the West to destroy the gray zone, which is the area of coexistence between Muslim immigrants to the West and Christians and Jews and, you know, prevent the assimilation of Muslims to the West.
00:13:34.000And by doing that, the way they would do it was to carry out terror attacks in Western cities to polarize the population and then to cause like the native Anglo Christians to force them out.
00:13:48.000So that they would take sanctuary, make Hizra into the caliphate.
00:13:53.000And so by extinguishing the gray zone, it would empower ISIS.
00:14:01.000We're where people actually can coexist.
00:14:04.000But also the gray zone has a lot of other meanings.
00:14:07.000Like it means like a war kind of warfare that is less than conventional warfare, which is the kind of war that we all live in now because We are currently, right now, engaged in information warfare.
00:14:20.000I just wanted to make sure to point that out to give you, because you were talking about trying to learn about what the problem is and stuff.
00:14:28.000And there is a significant, it's not large, but it's influence and it's obviously the repercussions of it existing are significant because, you know.
00:16:41.000If we're going to take a risk or take a chance or talk to people we're not comfortable talking to, now's the time.
00:16:45.000But I don't want to put him on the spot, it's just that we had a lot of people saying that You and Ben would be a really if it were possible But you know so not talking about making Palestine a state or offering them the opportunity to petition to be I just want I just hope you realize that it's like a literal impossibility Nobody wants that and what are you even referring to Gaza?
00:17:53.000Yeah, well, we've worked with the British and the French for a hundred years, propagating the Jewish occupation or colonization of that territory.
00:17:59.000We have a duty to take care of these people.
00:19:46.000I'm not saying if you could figure out what it was, but do you think there's one?
00:19:48.000I, you know, went around the country again and again to every, every venue that would have me to talk about a binational solution or a one state solution where everybody had equal rights between the river and the sea, which would, I think, and it would, it would end the source of the conflict.
00:20:11.000Which is that the Palestinians are stateless and that they are physically separated and now I think we've never been further away from that.
00:20:20.000I mean this idea was accepted by a small tiny minority in like academia and we had little one-state conferences with Jews and Palestinians and Israelis and in Israel a small group of people supported it.
00:20:35.000In Palestine a small group of people supported it.
00:20:38.000Now both sides are electing to decide to negotiate through violence.
00:22:05.000So everyone in the anti-war right or anti-interventionist right who wants a hard border should also look at the perspective of, let's stop destroying these countries.
00:22:15.000So what are these countries going to do when they're under US sanctions?
00:22:19.000They're going to turn to a country like China that isn't going to tell them in order for us to have strong economic relations with you, you need to have this kind of system and you need to recognize the LGBT community and do all of the, you know, you need to have a neoliberal economic system and so on.
00:22:39.000All China wants is just to shake their hand and cut raw economic deals.
00:22:46.000Syria is cut... Bashar al-Assad, who has been under devastating sanctions, has gone and met with Xi in China, Xi Jinping, and they're cutting deals through the Belt and Road Initiative.
00:22:59.000And all these countries are getting out from under the dollar hegemony that has crushed them.
00:23:04.000And in the end, once the petrodollar is gone... We're fucked.
00:23:42.000So Ian has to maintain more exports than imports, basically selling more goods to keep a balanced budget, so they can maintain a strong currency and buy more oil.
00:23:50.000Once the petrodollar is gone and Ian can buy oil directly with Ian Bucks, He goes to the U.S.
00:23:58.000We give our manufacturing up to a bunch of different countries for short-term gains from shit-ass politicians.
00:24:03.000So when Donald Trump was like, secure our borders, bring manufacturing back, it's kind of like, maybe we should start doing that.
00:24:09.000But you get Biden back in, and they want to resume the typical, I don't know, what do you call it, liberal economic order policies of, let's just blow people up, and you point guns at them so they give us their stuff.
00:25:09.000They have Jordanian residency, not citizenship.
00:25:13.000And that part of East Jerusalem is completely surrounded with giant mega settlements that are like cities in order to cut them off from the West Bank.
00:25:30.000It's basically a city east of East Jerusalem.
00:25:33.000And the master plan cuts the West Bank in half.
00:25:37.000So the Palestinian state, if you were to establish it now, would just be a bunch of cantons or bantustans that don't connect to each other.
00:25:45.000And then you have the Gaza Strip and Jerusalem.
00:25:47.000I mean, that was Israel's plan was to cut them off into a thousand pieces, a bunch of pieces of salami and have the maximum number of Palestinians on the minimum amount of land.
00:25:59.000And that's why Palestinians started looking for a different solution, which is we're just going to go for rights instead of sovereignty, because we have no sovereignty.
00:26:07.000And rights within a Jewish state means we're equal.
00:26:11.000In a Jewish state, people who are not Jewish can't have equal rights.
00:26:15.000And so they've basically proven that Israel is not a Jewish and democratic state.
00:26:20.000As an Arab lawmaker, a Palestinian lawmaker in Israel, Ahmed Tibi said to me, Israel is democratic towards its Jews and Jewish towards its Arabs.
00:27:02.000Watching the episode earlier tonight, it feels like you weigh Israel's response to terrorist attacks as heavier than the terrorist attack itself.
00:27:12.000To me, the fuck around justifies the find out, but how do you balance the scale?
00:27:25.000So, the easiest way would be, we'll just use what happened this, uh... That would be the easiest way for you, but that's not the easiest way if you actually look at it from the perspective of people on the ground.
00:27:40.000If you look at it from the Palestinian perspective, when would you say the start date begins?
00:27:45.000Well, the easiest way for them would be 1948 when 750,000 Palestinians were forced from over 400 villages and cities, and many of them were pushed into the Gaza Strip.
00:27:57.000The Gaza Strip's population is over 80% refugees who have no state, no citizenship of anything.
00:28:06.000And if you look at the city of Ashkelon, which is being rocketed right now, that used to be called Majdal Ashkelon, and it was filled with Palestinians before 1948.
00:28:17.000This is something that's been acknowledged by mainstream Israeli historians like Benny Morris.
00:28:22.000And they were pushed into the Gaza Strip.
00:28:24.000And actually, many of them were actually held in internment camps, barbed wire internment camps, until 1950, then dumped in Gaza in trucks.
00:28:33.000And then Jews from Iraq And Yemen, which were destabilized through the creation of Israel, which fomented a lot of antisemitism in the region, were then moved into their homes, literally moved into their homes.
00:28:47.000And then later, Russian Jews who came from the Soviet Union were moved into their homes.
00:28:51.000So they're kind of like they're firing rockets.
00:28:54.000at a city that their grandparents and great-grandparents used to live in.
00:29:42.000In each case, Israel violating a ceasefire to carry out these attacks.
00:29:47.000Israel was fucking around in these cases.
00:29:50.000I mean, that sounds like heroism to me.
00:29:52.000I mean, we could praise Israel for that.
00:29:54.000Well, I mean, that's just a commentary and reflection on your own character, praising Israel for attacking caged natives in a Waldorf ghetto who are basically defenseless.
00:30:07.000And what do you think it does to the mentality of young people to grow up in that?
00:30:10.000Do you think it makes them healthy and psychologically capable of having great relations with the people who are constantly drone attacking them?
00:30:19.000No, the culture there is one of trauma, constant trauma, and you see people playing out their trauma through violence in these armed factions to get vengeance on those they consider to be their oppressors.
00:30:50.000It's not going to work out well for Jews, for Palestinians, and it's going to spread and drag us into a regional war that could turn nuclear.
00:31:01.000What do you think about it was heroic?
00:31:05.000Oh, I mean, that's kind of tongue-in-cheek, because the response that we heard from the Democratic Socialists, they said, oh, the Hamas attacks were heroic.
00:31:15.000You know, so perspective, you could call what Palestine does when they fire rockets into Israel, you call that heroic.
00:31:22.000You could call IDF responding to the attacks heroic.
00:31:38.000You know, but like, if you can justify one, why can you not justify the other?
00:31:42.000To go into a military base with American tanks.
00:31:45.000And Markava tanks and American military gear, which they did.
00:31:49.000And we never, we're not talking about going and shooting for defense of civilians.
00:31:53.000What the Al-Qassam brigades and the Siara Al-Quds brigades did was initially to go into military bases and fight Israeli soldiers face to face and the Israeli soldiers lost.
00:34:06.000Let me just provide some perspective here.
00:34:09.000We as Americans provide Israel with $4 billion a year in military aid for them to spend here on weapons to dump on Palestinians.
00:34:17.000We should absolutely end all foreign aid.
00:34:20.000We give Israel more aid than we give to all of Africa.
00:34:24.000And Benjamin Netanyahu is using this rhetoric.
00:34:26.000He said he will reduce to rubble all of the hiding places in Gaza, a coastal enclave that's besieged, where half the population is children.
00:34:35.000The defense minister of Israel, Yoav Galant, said the people in Gaza, they're fighting human animals there.
00:34:42.000And he said that in cutting off the gas, electricity and water.
00:34:47.000Okay, only Israel has the power to commit actual genocide.
00:34:52.000They're the only ones with the weapons to be able to do it.
00:34:56.000And they are saying that they want to do it.
00:35:01.000Members of Knesset from Netanyahu's party are calling for Nakba 2.0 on Twitter.
00:35:05.000The Nakba is the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in 1948.
00:35:09.000Let's, uh, I want to try and get to more callers.
00:35:46.000So, my question is to the crew, and I'm speaking from the perspective of the vast majority, 90 plus percent of my family, is from Palestine or living there currently.
00:36:01.000Where do you think this conflict will be going?
00:36:05.000Say, especially with, like, the election year, will this be used as some sort of catalyst for even something like an October surprise, if you will?
00:36:16.000You know, some people have said that a wartime president has never lost, therefore Democrats will benefit from this.
00:36:37.000So it's like, I don't know about that.
00:36:39.000Most people are really, if I can, like, from what I can gather, most people are not confident that the president is competent to run the country without a war going on.
00:36:55.000Never mind a war in the Middle East, which is Unquestionably not something that could be won for at least not by not for for the United States and I think of the United States is mostly over getting involved in foreign wars the I don't think there's ever been a time in my life when America has had a general consensus of we want to avoid or have have had more people that had the consensus of we don't want to get involved in foreign wars so I don't know that that would help
00:37:26.000Yeah, a lot of Trump people are anti-intervention and anti-war.
00:38:08.000It's like it's hanging by a thread, which is why I'm resorting to prayer.
00:38:11.000It's just, I'm not a spiritual, I mean, I don't think of myself as religious or any of that, but like people can have dreams.
00:38:16.000People like Benjamin Netanyahu can wake up tomorrow with a realization of something.
00:38:19.000He can have a, same with the defense minister and all these people.
00:38:22.000What if, like, tomorrow on the show, Ian's like, I prayed to Jesus, and he told me what to do, and then he gets up and leaves, and then, like, two days later, we're like, what happened to Ian?
00:38:28.000And it's like, peace has come to the Middle East.
00:38:30.000I'm on a plane with Elon, Lex Friedman, and Ben Nye.
00:38:31.000He's, like, standing, and he's, like, got a hammer, and he tears the wall down, and everyone hugs, and it's all over, and it's just like, how did he do it?
00:38:38.000And he's like, Jesus told me what to do.
00:38:39.000Because someone put me in touch with Lex Friedman, who got me in touch with Benjamin Netanyahu, and we all hung out and talked about God.
00:40:14.000They are sympathetic, especially the younger Democrats are more sympathetic to Palestine.
00:40:18.000Then you have the Republicans, a lot of Christian Zionists, a lot of people who support Israel for religious reasons.
00:40:25.000Older Republicans are very pro-Israel.
00:40:29.000But, I mean, you look at Tucker throwing down the gauntlet, who's one of the most influential kind of America first figures, and he's like, OK, Israel can respond, but this cannot go beyond that to Iran.
00:40:41.000And so Trump would be under pressure to oppose a regional war and his base would follow him.
00:40:48.000So I think the longer this goes on, the more you're going to see support from the American public falling away.
00:40:54.000And especially if there's a ground invasion in Gaza, it's going to be so ugly.
00:41:15.000I agree with your invasion of Gaza by the Israeli military would be disastrous for the Israelis because people would have their video cameras up on the seventh floor recording the Israelis kicking a door open, dragging a woman out by their hair, and the entire world would see the horror of that door-to-door.
00:42:01.000So, uh, y'all had actually a really significant question in the, uh, the chats earlier that you didn't really understand that as far as this, the, uh, the red heifer, according to a medic Judaism, uh, 10 perfect red heifers have to be found, drained of blood and then sacrificed and the site of the third temple to bring about what their version of the second coming is.
00:42:25.000And so the first week of October, It was announced they found the 10th Red Heifer.
00:42:31.000The 5th of October, 800 rabbis stormed Al-Aqsa Temple and held a ritual there.
00:42:39.000And then the 7th, all this 3rd stuff, grew long.
00:42:54.000Yeah, I mean, what's really significant is you have these religious nationalist Jews led by Itamar Ben-Gavir, who's the security minister.
00:43:04.000And they're leading these marches up to Al-Aqsa, but the ultra-Orthodox rabbinate, the traditional rabbinate of Judaism, forbids them from going in without the red heifer sacrifice, right?
00:43:22.000What they're doing is contrary to traditional Judaism.
00:44:45.000They're going to get pissed off and they're going to act, right?
00:44:48.000So if all of these nations are now flooded with Middle Eastern individuals that don't really have anything really solid yet anchoring them there, and then a holy site is destroyed of theirs, thus giving them an identitarian spike.
00:45:06.000and the West supports Israel, thus pulling them into this global war.
00:45:12.000That's what I think the Samson option really is.
00:45:14.000It's not going to be like a nuclear bomb like people used to think.
00:45:17.000I was wondering if you think it's accurate.
00:45:19.000The Samson option, which is the title of a Seymour Hersh book about it, is basically Israel blackmailing the West with a nuclear strike if the West abandons it.
00:45:31.000I've been feeling that in meditations for about seven years or nine years.
00:45:37.000Yeah, or they could do a nuclear strike on a regional country.
00:45:44.000Yisrael Ariel is an influential religious nationalist rabbi in Israel who is the founder of this temple movement, which wants to replace Al-Aqsa with the third Jewish temple.
00:45:56.000And in the early 80s, he attempted a bombing of the Al-Aqsa compound to destroy it.
00:46:02.000And he was actually stopped by Israel's deep state, the Shabak, the Shin Bet.
00:46:07.000Israel's security establishment is actually still overwhelmingly secular.
00:46:11.000And a lot of them are actually anti-Netanyahu, are supporting the protests against Netanyahu.
00:46:17.000And they see this movement as destabilizing not only to Israel, but to the entire region.
00:46:24.000Because if you blow up the third holiest site in Islam, the whole region is going to be set on fire and it's going to turn against Israel.
00:46:32.000So, this movement has been really sophisticated in infiltrating Israeli institutions, and now you see one of its key figures as a security minister, and one of its other key figures, Bezalel Smotrik, is the finance minister who's in charge of doling out money to settlements.
00:46:53.000So they're moving in there and they're becoming the kind of new counter-establishment in Israel.
00:46:58.000And that's what all these protests that you see against Netanyahu are about.
00:47:02.000They say, oh, it's about judicial reform.
00:47:04.000No, it's really about who decides the future of the country, the religious nationalists or the old elite from Tel Aviv and Jerusalem who are kind of secular Zionists.
00:47:14.000Those are the Supreme Court of Israel?
00:47:16.000Yeah, the Supreme Court is their base.
00:47:20.000It's like the only thing they have left, so they're going to defend that tooth and nail.
00:47:23.000We have only a few minutes left, so I do want to make time for these other callers, but Larkin, did you want to clarify anything or add to that?
00:47:29.000No, I appreciate your time and the Holy Land belongs to Rome, Roma and Victor.
00:47:38.000I don't really want to see people suffer and I've Seen it first hand, so I hope it all ends, but thanks for having me guys.
00:48:26.000citizens are now confirmed killed by those same said weapons, can Biden now be complicit in charge with a war crime?
00:48:33.000I mean, so realistically, it's not going to happen, but I would love to see it.
00:48:38.000And I think that you could make an argument As to, obviously, like I said, I don't think it's gonna happen, but... Well, I mean, come on, Phil.
00:48:46.000If we go after Biden over this, we have to go after Obama over Anwar al-Awlaki... Stop, Tim!
00:49:31.000Rumors that, say, there's questions and some reporting that I would not say is confirmed that weapons left over in Afghanistan have made their way to Hamas.
00:49:41.000I mean, Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian Prime Minister, has said weapons from Ukraine that were given to them by the U.S.
00:49:53.000I know they have the capacity to have their own military industry at this point.
00:49:59.000And there are only a few tunnels going into Gaza that are still active, so they're not... The smuggling networks are weaker than ever before.
00:50:08.000Yeah, well, just to give you some context, if someone other than, like, Hunter Biden's gun that was thrown into a school dumpster and was found by another person, and someone died as a result, there would be harsh consequences for that individual.
00:50:23.000So I think that would have some kind of a...
00:50:50.000I think you're making... I'm sorry, go ahead.
00:50:52.000Oh, you make an interesting observation about a leader that does something that causes some sort of permanent change in the system that then leads to the downfall of their country.
00:51:01.000Like, that leader would be strung up and executed by its people.
00:51:05.000So, like, we're in a very tolerant society right now, for better or worse.
00:51:08.000And it might actually be tolerant for worse, I'm not sure.
00:51:10.000But at the very least, he should step down from office after that surrender.
00:51:18.000The very last thing is I want to promote the weekly shows on the Discord.
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00:52:13.000I'd say you guys probably have good insight, but obviously the rest of you guys can answer too.
00:52:17.000With stolen land being a massive issue on the table in this conflict between Israel and Palestine, do you see any parallels between this and our handling of the Native Americans?
00:52:26.000For example, making treaties that aren't honored and forcing them into certain plots of land, etc.
00:53:01.000It's ongoing right now in a world where we recognize the problems of militaristic colonization.
00:53:09.000I don't know if I have the moral standing to solve a problem like that that is active.
00:53:15.000If I look back at what happened with the Native Americans, I'd say there are two principal arguments.
00:53:19.000One, many on the right make the argument that, like the Aztecs, for instance, were sacrificing humans and, you know, doing other really awful, fucked up shit.
00:53:26.000And therefore, when the Europeans came in, they were like, yo, these people are savages, this is fucked.
00:53:32.000But then, of course, there were people who were absolutely not doing that, and they were more so fur traders living up the north, and still got fucked over by people who were Europeans.
00:53:39.000Because people are tribalist, even the Europeans are tribalist, and they said, our people fuck your people.
00:53:44.000The people who have the bigger guns tend to take whatever they want.
00:53:46.000These days, we say, having the bigger gun does not grant you the right to take from someone else.
00:53:52.000So where we are right now in the United States is, I think there's a limit.
00:53:56.000Changing Columbus Day to Indigenous People's Day is kind of like, okay, dude, chill the fuck out.
00:55:09.000Well, everyone, every American should visit Wounded Knee in South Dakota and just go up there and see the final site of a genocide that took place.
00:55:20.000Right in our backyard and it's on the second in the second poorest county in America with the highest rate of domestic violence, teen suicide, just desperation and despair.
00:55:47.000But I mean, yeah, the alcohol industry, you know, they're bringing in alcohol because technically it's banned from Pine Ridge, so people go to... Pine Ridge.
00:55:56.000Pine Ridge is on the South Dakota side, and then they go to, like, I forget what it's called on the Nebraska side.
00:56:02.000A city established specifically to sell booze to Native Americans.
00:56:04.000And they just get drunk for days, and it's a drug of mass destruction.
00:56:12.000The Lakota Sioux had been destroyed through massacres, like Colonel Chivington's massacre at Sand Creek, which was celebrated in an arena-level ceremony, you know, celebrated back in Denver because they thought the natives were such a threat to them.
00:56:27.000Cause they were waging an armed resistance against their own total dispossession.
00:56:36.000some 1870 1890 1890 whoa December 29th 1890 Okay, and all they were doing there was a dance called the
00:56:44.000ghost dance They had started to follow a prophet who promised to
00:56:47.000deliver them from the white man with this dance and that dance was
00:56:50.000illegalized by the authorities and And as they were doing this dance on a hilltop, the 7th Cavalry, formerly of Custer, who had been defeated at...
00:57:00.000defeated by Sitting Bull, yeah, Little Bighorn, brought in the Gatling guns and massacred them.
00:57:06.000And now it's a memorial. And you see at that memorial many American flags on the graves
00:57:11.000because many natives from that very poor reservation have gone to fight in the U.S. military.
00:57:17.000And they serve in a disproportionate way because it's one of the few ways they can actually get
00:57:24.000So the genocide was consolidated, the resistance ended, and Native Americans have either absorbed themselves into U.S.
00:57:31.000society or they're working for more sovereignty for their tribal land, but there is no more armed resistance.
00:57:37.000But it doesn't mean that they feel like so happy about what happened or that this conflict has been settled.
00:57:43.000They were just crushed and that's what's happening in Israel-Palestine now.
00:57:47.000Israel is trying to crush the Palestinians and settle it the same way we did with the Native Americans, but the genocide has not been consolidated and the Palestinians have figured out ways of resisting it and being as ruthless as, like, being ruthless in order to prevent it.
00:58:11.000I was just going to say, I think the biggest issue for me with both situations is when you come into a place, you either need to, you have to make your intentions clear.
00:58:23.000You're either there to conquer or you're there to, you know...
00:58:26.000settle and be part of their culture. And when we came to America, we weren't clear with that. We
00:58:31.000started to try to negotiate. We started to make treaties.
00:59:22.000And the key thing is that they were settler colonialists whereas like British colonialism was different because they could always go back home to their little island.
00:59:43.000Many of them, although a lot of them can go back, like have dual European citizenship, many of them see themselves as having no place to go, which is why they are so ruthless.
00:59:55.000We've gone pretty late, but if you want to add any final thoughts.
00:59:59.000I was just going to say, well, one last thing on that topic is that I think it's just very strange for us because very rarely are wars nowadays fought over land specifically.
01:00:11.000They're usually fought over resources or only land so that they can get resources through there.
01:00:16.000Like Ukraine, they want the Cutter Turkey Pipeline and stuff.
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