On this week's episode of Sunday Uncensored, we're joined by the director of the new movie, "Abortion: The Movie," Nick Cassarino. In this episode, Nick and Seamus discuss the story of Dr. Kermit Gosnell, the abortion doctor and serial killer who was found guilty of murdering babies after their birth.
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00:01:20.000You were on the path to celebrity fame and fortune in Hollywood.
00:01:23.000I got fucking red-pilled is what happened.
00:01:25.000I learned about the Federal Reserve and the military-industrial complex, and I realized some things are more important than money and fame, but I still wanted to utilize the fame somehow.
00:01:33.000But man, did I go into a spiraling depression in that period of my life, because my whole life I'd geared myself towards this career.
00:02:30.000Dr. Kermit Gosnell ran a women's clinic in Philadelphia and for about 19 years his clinic was never inspected and he developed a way of performing abortions Which consisted of giving them labor-inducing, giving the women labor-inducing drugs which then caused the baby to be born alive and he would then take a pair of scissors and snip the spinal cord of the baby and kill it after it was born.
00:03:00.000And this went on for years and years and years until finally it was discovered that he was doing this I believe in 2013 and he was convicted.
00:03:09.000Well, they discovered it in 2011 I think.
00:03:16.000And that's true of abortion doctors, generally speaking.
00:03:19.000But he was inducing labor, as you said, he was killing them after they were already born.
00:03:23.000Part of why it's such an important story is because I think it really gets people to think about what abortion is and ask themselves the question, well, I think that this man's a monster for killing the infant a moment after it comes out.
00:03:35.000What about people who regularly kill this infant while it is still inside of the mother's womb?
00:03:40.000So this guy, Gosnell, he was not performing abortions, he was legitimately killing babies.
00:03:47.000And it's a really interesting philosophical question because if the women were pregnant and he induced abortion, or he induced labor, what's the difference between that and an abortion?
00:03:58.000Just the fact that the baby is positioned outside of the woman's body as he murders, as he kills it?
00:04:02.000So it's not just that he was storing body parts in the building.
00:04:07.000I mean, if I told you the story, here's a man who takes living human beings, kills them, and then stores their body parts in their home, you'd be like, who the fuck?
00:04:29.000Well, that's one of the reasons I wanted to direct the movie when they offered it to me and I read the script.
00:04:34.000There was a great scene, I think taken primarily from court transcripts, of where they talk to a legal abortion doctor and have her go through all the steps they do to make legitimate Abortion.
00:04:47.000And when I read that, I was just like, I had no idea that that's what they did.
00:04:53.000And that's what made me, I said, people, people talk about the abortion issue without knowing what they're talking about.
00:05:00.000And that's what I wanted to do is put that on screen.
00:05:02.000So it's like, and a lot of people see that scene and go, I, I didn't know that's what they did.
00:05:07.000If the baby is still connected to the mother by the umbilical cord, is that why he was thinking like it's still not really breathing air?
00:06:34.000And that's kind of what that scene in the movie is about.
00:06:37.000I play Gosnell's attorney and at the end of the scene where she takes us through the whole process they inject poison into the fetus while it's still inside they make an incision in the back of the neck they put a vacuum in there and suck the brains out because the head's too big to come out of the canal and at the end of her describing all this it's like he says well I don't see what the difference is.
00:07:57.000For him, it's, I'm trying to make money, because this whole argument that abortion is about women's health goes out the window with a case like this, because this man literally cared nothing for their health and safety.
00:08:06.000He didn't follow any of the health regulations, the conditions they were in, and that he was performing these procedures in, were absolutely disgusting, and of course, procedures of euthanasia for murder, but he was treating white and black women in different facilities.
00:08:18.000He was charging between $1,600 and $3,000 for late-term abortions, and he was making $10,000 to $15,000 per day.
00:08:25.000Oh, and he was the only one that would do it.
00:08:53.000He was taking body parts back to his beach house and putting them in crab pots.
00:08:59.000to catch crabs. Wow. And they found body parts in the garbage disposal. He was flushing them down
00:09:09.000the drain. He was it was it really really treating like chicken meat. Yeah. Meat grinder. Disgusting.
00:09:15.000How is this not the biggest story of the decade? Because it's about abortion and they don't want
00:09:22.000They don't want you to ask that question.
00:09:24.000What is the real substantive difference between murdering that infant prior to them being outside of their mother's womb and immediately after?
00:09:34.000They don't want you to ask that question.
00:09:35.000Do you see that video of the Virginia legislator talking to the council member and she's like, my bill would allow abortion up to the point of birth.
00:09:48.000It's like a council member or a judge or something and he's like...
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00:11:52.000I think that's actually a dangerous path and it would be a detriment because it's attempting to justify when someone is considered alive based on personal or subjective parameters.
00:12:02.000So, also, you did the documentary, you know more about this.
00:12:06.000Would you describe the racist practices that have been discussed here?
00:12:11.000Well, he had separate waiting rooms for black women and white women.
00:12:19.000And the white women's room was much nicer and, you know, well kept.
00:12:24.000And the black women's waiting room was just like a room that he didn't clean very often or whatever.
00:12:30.000And when one of the nurses asked him about it, he said, well, that's just the way the world is, honey.
00:12:35.000White women won't come here, you know, and black women are used to this.
00:12:44.000But nonetheless, if you had a dentist who was caught using different waiting rooms for people on the basis of their race, that would be a front page story.
00:12:52.000Everyone in the country would be talking about it for days.
00:12:56.000It would be used as an example of why we're in a white supremacist country.
00:12:59.000That story would be on our radar for years and years.
00:13:03.000But because this guy was slaughtering infants and because the media doesn't want you to think there's anything wrong with that, he was never brought up.
00:13:12.000His prosecutor said it was like racist to try to, or not his prosecutor, his defense attorney was arguing it would be racist to prosecute him and elitist.
00:13:18.000The LA Times, The Atlantic, Slate, and Time all published opinion columns where the writer thought the incident was not getting as much media coverage as deserved.
00:13:25.000Megan McArdle explains she didn't cover it because it made her ill.
00:13:29.000But also how being pro-choice influenced writers saying most of us tend to be less interested.
00:13:34.000In sick-making stories, the sick-making was done by our side.
00:13:38.000Saying, the story should have been covered much more than it was, covered as a national policy issue, not a local crime story.
00:13:44.000Martin Baron, the post-executive editor, claims he wasn't aware of the story until Thursday, 11th of April, when readers began emailing him about it, saying, I wish I could be conscious to all the stories out there.
00:14:47.000And another thing that was going on that allowed this to go on for so long was the political pressure that his clinic was not inspected by the health inspector for 19 years.
00:15:02.000Because Tom Ridge, who was the governor at the time, said, we don't want to be seen as being anti-women's health, so leave these abortion clinics alone.
00:15:13.000And so that right there is what allows it.
00:15:19.000They would inspect nail salons, but not a women's clinic.
00:16:26.000If there was a hitman, they'd call him the black widower.
00:16:28.000He killed 1,500 husbands because the women said they wanted this person killed.
00:16:34.000So here you have basically the same fucking thing.
00:16:37.000Well, I'll tell you what gets really crazy, and this is something I don't think the left can answer.
00:16:44.000When it comes to the pro-abortion crowd, I mean overtly, they're advocating for abortion, not talking about legalities of libertarian and difficult moral positions, which I understand the pro-life crowd probably doesn't care for anyway.
00:17:12.000Between a woman who goes into premature labor and gives birth at seven months and then throws the baby in a dumpster, and a woman who at seven months says to the doctor, kill it.
00:18:42.000If God's now fell to his knees, converted, had a relationship with Jesus, submitted to the church, received the sacraments, he would be saved.
00:18:49.000But he'd still rot in prison for the rest of his life or get the death penalty.
00:19:06.000But I gotta tell you, stories like this make one very... The reason why I'm against the death penalty is not because I oppose killing evil.
00:19:16.000It's because I don't trust the government to tell me what evil is.
00:19:19.000And so that's why... The easiest way to explain it is Kamala Harris walks up to you and says, We need to kill that guy right there because he murdered
00:19:27.000babies and you're gonna be like Kamala. I I Don't believe you. It's not I'm not gonna kill that man,
00:19:33.000you know I mean, there's nothing the state could say to me, but I
00:21:13.000I just said, the reason why I don't support the death penalty is not because I don't believe in killing evil, it's because I don't trust the state.
00:21:19.000Oh, so you're actually not making the point I thought you were making.
00:21:21.000If you walked in and you saw him standing there with a bloody knife and the dead babies below him, you wouldn't kill him.
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00:22:40.000I see someone with a gun, and we're in war, they're shooting and killing people, and I see them.
00:22:45.000In that kind of situation, when you're in a war kind of situation, you decide, if I don't kill him now, he's gonna kill my friends, my brother, like, it's hot conflict.
00:22:56.000If a person has been subdued or is not a threat actively, then I think they should be subdued and locked up.
00:23:02.000There's a challenge in, I'm not in law enforcement, so any instance in which the state says to me we should kill somebody, I have to trust the state that they're correct and he did something wrong.
00:23:12.000So, as I said, imagine Nancy Pelosi walks up to you, Ian, and she goes, Ian, listen to me.
00:23:18.000This man you've never met before, he is a dangerous murderer and we need to kill him now.
00:23:37.000Yeah, I mean also, whether you're for or against the death penalty at a philosophical or theological level...
00:23:43.000It becomes a question not only of that, but do you trust the specific government under which you live?
00:23:50.000I think it's thinkable that someone could have the position that, in certain scenarios, the death penalty could be acceptable, but they would never trust our government with that power.
00:23:58.000I think there's something to be said, too, in relation to death penalty, to get more specific, because I'm sure people are wondering.
00:24:03.000If I walked in, the baby was already dead, as you would ask, I probably wouldn't kill him, and I would call for the police.
00:24:13.000And I'm still not in favor of the death penalty at that point.
00:24:15.000Lock him in a box, throw away the key.
00:24:16.000Without spoiling this movie that you directed, how did the shit hit the fan with this guy?
00:24:23.000uh... he was under investigation originally for writing phony prescriptions for oxycontin and selling the prescriptions and so the police got a search warrant to search his clinic because of this and when the police went in they found all the fetuses in the filthy clinic and and they found frozen fetuses in the freezer they found a whole rack of like And then within, like, what, a day?
00:24:49.000Within, like, two hours they were back there or something?
00:25:12.000It was a big, big fundraising campaign.
00:25:15.000But the other thing that he was doing too was that he surrounded himself in his clinic, not with, not with trained nurses.
00:25:22.000Everybody else that worked in the clinic were just like neighborhood girls that he taught to administer anesthetics.
00:25:30.000Uh, one, one girl started working there when she was 15 and she was the one that sort of, uh, gave them the drugs that put them under so that he could perform the abortion.
00:26:06.000And, you know, since he had nobody around him that could challenge him, that would say to him, this doesn't feel right, you know, and if anybody ever said that, he got rid of them.
00:26:18.000So it was very, very sinister and unbelievable that it was allowed to go on as long as it was.
00:26:27.000What are your personal feelings on abortion?
00:26:29.000Do you ever talk about those publicly if you do?
00:26:36.000I think you would probably characterize me as pro-choice, but it's not pro-choice 100%.
00:26:42.000I definitely think that abortion is the killing of an innocent life.
00:26:48.000I think there's a difference, to me there's a difference in doing that in the first two months of the pregnancy.
00:26:57.000Because I don't think at that time that the fetus, it's not even a fetus, that at that point it causes any pain.
00:27:08.000At the same time though, I go back and forth on this because there's no question at conception that this is going to turn into a human life.
00:27:19.000Yeah, and so but it's you know, my view is not too dissimilar but a little bit more in the direction of pro-life.
00:27:30.000I think abortion, causeless abortion for no reason, is wrong.
00:27:34.000But I have a governmental, philosophical question about one body, two lives and the rights of which and how you confront that.
00:27:43.000I don't even know how you confront that.
00:27:45.000There's obvious, like, my view is If a woman chooses to engage in reproductive activities that results in a pregnancy, well, I mean, come on, take responsibility.
00:27:54.000You have chosen to engage a life form in you.
00:27:56.000Determining it now is an action you took.
00:27:59.000But there's questions of rape when a woman doesn't choose, and there's a question of whether the government has a right to determine a person must give their body to another person or provide their body to another person.
00:28:53.000From every moment of existence, a human is a human.
00:28:56.000There's no point in time at which you are not one.
00:28:58.000Ian, if we were to judge whether or not someone was worthy of life or humanity based on their thinking capacity, well then, I'm sorry, Ian, you're... No, you're wrong!
00:29:11.000You could have told me that, what you just told me.
00:29:33.000Six weeks after, well, they certainly couldn't hear you and understand you as far as I'm aware, but there's no part of humanity or the rights of a human which are contingent upon them being able to hear and understand you.
00:30:00.000The actual question is, there is a human who, a bomb goes off, And it blows off the lower portion of the torso, the pelvis, portions of the intestines, side of the face, and they hook the person up to a machine with limited brain capacity, just going, but looking around and like pointing at things.
00:30:42.000I heard somebody was in it and his parents played Barney for like 12 years while they thought he was in like a comatose, but he hurt it the whole time.
00:30:48.000He came out later and was like, what did you guys do to me?
00:30:50.000And imagine the family being like, kill him.
00:30:53.000Imagine this, Ian, I want you to imagine this.
00:30:54.000I want you to imagine you're driving your go-kart, and you get hit by a semi.
00:31:02.000And you wake up in the hospital, and you're looking, and you're looking around, but you can't move anything.
00:31:07.000And you're thinking to yourself, oh no, no, no, no, what happened, what happened?
00:31:11.000And the doctor looks down, and there's, you know, all of us, and you know, there's your significant other and your family.
00:31:19.000And the doctor goes, The eyes will move as a response to stimuli, but I'm sorry, Ian, he's gone.
00:32:15.000And so there's a famous story where the doctor said the eyes will just move as a reaction to stimuli, and the limited brain activity suggests this person is brain dead and unable to be recovered.
00:32:28.000There's a lot of neurons in the heart and in the stomach.
00:32:39.000Becky, I'm sorry for your loss, but you need to understand your son has healthy organs, and his death could mean the survival of many more people.
00:32:47.000Now, there is a possibility he could have survived.
00:32:57.000Do they encourage families to pull the plug?
00:32:59.000I don't know, but I'm just saying, look, if it were me and I was laying on a bed and they were like, you know, he's dead, I'd be like, I'll say this, not for everybody, give me some time.
00:33:23.000I wouldn't want to just give up right away.
00:33:25.000I've been married for 35 years and it's like I don't trust my wife.
00:33:31.000I was going to say, this is actually something you can get into when you write your own living will.
00:33:35.000This is called a limited will where you can say if I am unconscious for X amount of time, you may intubate me or you may not intubate me, you may let me go, or you may try to keep me alive as long as possible.
00:33:47.000And that's something that everybody, every single person in this room, I don't care how old you are, should be thinking about now because you get in a car accident That's something they're going to want to know because
00:33:54.000otherwise your loved ones are stopping that choice for you.
00:34:19.000One thing that's indicative to almost all life is the desire to continue living.
00:34:24.000So just being like, for no reason at all, we're going to kill this.
00:34:26.000But that's why I bring up that scenario so people, you know, you can think about that.
00:34:30.000And, you know, maybe we're wrong, but let me ask you, Ian, if you got into a car accident and you were suffering from locked-in syndrome, And you could only move your eyes.
00:34:39.000And the doctor says, by Jove, he's he's alive in there.
00:34:45.000Look up and down for yes and left and right for no.
00:35:32.000I'd be one of the guinea pigs, I think.
00:35:33.000And then what happens is he puts you in a like Situation like finds your personal hell and he places you
00:35:42.000there and then Elon Musk It's all more P.S. Give you a pill he as soon as you're
00:35:46.000hooked up after like 16 hours of surgery He leans over you in the bed, and he goes
00:35:51.000Ian I've successfully performed the procedure And then all of a sudden you feel yourself sitting up and Elon's got a wristband and he's swiping and then you get up and you start doing the Charleston and you're thinking to yourself, no!
00:36:05.000But would you guys Neuralink, you know, hook up to the brain interface if you were in a coma or something?
00:36:27.000You have one chance to say yes, and it's now.
00:36:29.000Before I can answer that question, I feel like there's more I would need to know before I can give a competent answer, and I'm not in that place, so I can't tell you what I would say.
00:37:41.000So thinking about Neuralink is especially interesting to me because I'm like, what if they could make it so that you could live a truly normal life with something like multiple sclerosis or Parkinson's?
00:37:53.000And then you were able to go on and you didn't become Elon Musk's tool like Tim was talking about, but you were able to do normal functional things.
00:38:00.000How amazing would it be if like, you know, it's the year 2027, Elon Musk is going on the Joe Rogan experience and he's sitting in the chair and you're sitting next to him and Joe's like, Elon, who's this guy?
00:38:14.000And he's like, oh, this is my personal valet.
00:38:16.000He's got locked-in syndrome, but we plugged a program into his brain, and now I can control his body.
00:38:22.000He can't communicate, but he gets stuff for me.
00:38:26.000And then he, like, swipes, and you go, hey, Joe.
00:38:29.000Well, at least you could still roll your eyes.
00:38:31.000You're like, your eyes are going crazy.
00:39:34.000And I'm sitting in a Waffle House, because I love Waffle House, and there's a waitress there who's going around apologizing to everybody.
00:39:41.000For their food being late or whatever and I keep looking at this woman and I'm like this she's perfect for that part and so finally I go up to her and I say look I'm not a serial killer I'm actually a big-time director And I'm making a movie.
00:39:58.000I know that sounds like a lot, but have you ever acted before?
00:40:31.000And so, you know, she had her whole family follow her to the set the first day just to make sure that I wasn't, you know, some crazy person.
00:40:40.000And we shoot the scene and she was great.
00:41:13.000You know, this is the hand of God here.
00:41:16.000I think it's so funny that the left is afraid of the laws that say you've got to get an ultrasound because they know what's going to happen.
00:41:23.000The more information you have, the less likely you are to choose abortion.
00:42:37.000I got to tell you, watching that comedian mock COVID, getting the vaccines, and then blaspheme and falling down and hitting her head.
00:42:44.000I've been into like the electric universe.
00:42:45.000It's another kind of an alternate theory on the universe that it's all magnetic and like, so if that's the case, I really believe that divinity is like a magnetic force.