Taylor Silverman was competing in a Red Bull Midwest Series skateboarding contest when she found out that a transgender woman had won the title. She spoke up, and the story went viral. In this episode, we talk about her experience with the Red Bull competition, and whether or not there is unfairness in women's sports.
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00:00:24.000We're hanging out for a special interview with Taylor Silverman, who many of you may be familiar with because this story went very, very viral.
00:00:33.000For some time now, actually for several years, there's been an issue with women's sports.
00:00:38.000Trans women who are born male have been competing in women's sports, and this has led to a controversy around advantages and whether or not there is fairness in women's sports.
00:00:48.000The way I phrased it on Twitter was, we did not create women's sports because sometimes people wear dresses.
00:00:54.000So when many of the left activists say, if someone says they're a woman, then they're a woman, I'm like, right, but that's not why we created women's divisions.
00:01:04.000So personally, what I see happening is the left semantic arguments over what a woman is, is now conflicting with the actual understanding of why we have women's divisions, and that is females competing against females.
00:01:18.000So the story, I'll give you the simple version, is that in many of these instances, not a single competitor who is biologically female has spoken up and challenged what has been happening.
00:01:29.000But with the big story surrounding Leah Thomas, a biological male competing in the women's division, you had very few people willing to publicly speak up.
00:01:37.000In fact, I don't think anyone publicly spoke up except for one person who missed the finals bracket by like one position.
00:01:44.000So there were people saying, ah, that's the only reason she's speaking up.
00:01:46.000Taylor Silverman, who's hanging out here, was competing in a skateboarding contest and came in second place after a trans woman.
00:01:54.000Let's talk about, first, what happened in this contest, and then we'll talk about speaking up and the political and cultural issues around it.
00:02:03.000Well, first I want to mention, because you mentioned the Leah Thomas thing, one of the swimmers who spoke up had actually tied with Leah and they gave Leah the trophy and wanted to take the picture with Leah.
00:02:14.000And Riley spoke up and was like, well, why are we doing it this way?
00:03:37.000So, in the finals, the prize money for first place was $3,000, and then second place prize money was $1,750, and then third place was $750.
00:03:44.000money was $1,750 and then third place was $750. So I ended up taking second to the
00:03:52.000trans competitor and they had also taken best trick for a thousand dollars along
00:03:57.000with a thousand in qualifiers and as did I because I had competed in two
00:04:02.000But in total, they took $5,000 of the prize money that was meant for the female athletes, and I was paid next highest, which was $2,750.
00:04:16.000Everybody got bumped back and lost money who was going to place or going to win best trick and I just felt like it was unfair and like we're seeing this in so many sports now and I felt like I was in a position where people might actually listen if I spoke up because I had gotten second and we haven't really seen somebody who's on the podium speaking up about it.
00:04:37.000How much would you have won if you got first place?
00:04:40.000If I had gotten first place, I would have gotten $3,000 for first place along with the $500 at each qualifier.
00:04:49.000But you did get $1,000 for the qualifiers.
00:04:51.000Yeah, at the qualifiers, I don't remember the exact payouts for second and third place, but for first place prize, I got $500 each time I placed first.
00:04:59.000But the trans competitor competed against other women in the qualifiers, so they ended up losing that money.
00:05:04.000Yeah, the trans competitor was also traveling around and competing in a couple different qualifiers.
00:05:10.000So you would have won an additional $1,250.
00:05:15.000I think you did the math wrong the first time.
00:05:19.000But it was because I think you thought that I was saying I would have won best trick, which I don't think I'm really a best trick skater, so I don't think I would have.
00:05:25.000So, for those that aren't familiar, in skateboarding, the typical contest, when people say a contest, is like you do a run.
00:05:32.000What do they give you, 45 seconds or a minute?
00:05:35.000It's like around a minute, maybe a little more.
00:05:37.000But you take a run and sometimes they'll have you do like three different runs and they'll judge it by best run or they'll kind of like accumulate the scores.
00:05:45.000So this means usually you'll throw your skateboard down and try and do your best series of tricks throughout the park.
00:05:53.000In a lot of contests, they'll give you either 45 seconds to a minute, and then you get three different runs.
00:05:59.000And then the judge will, like, it depends on how they do it.
00:06:01.000Sometimes they'll take your two best and then total them together.
00:06:04.000Typically, like in qualifiers, they'll have more of a, like, they'll throw a few competitors in together to all go for a couple of minutes and they'll watch it, everyone at the same time.
00:06:15.000But in the finals, it was separate runs for each person.
00:06:18.000So this is the interesting thing that I see with skateboarding.
00:06:33.000So there's a stopwatch, and they go, well, that's the time you got.
00:06:36.000For you, the judges are watching you skate, watching the other competitors, including the trans women skate, and then determining by personal subjective choice what they think was better.
00:06:46.000The interesting thing about skateboarding contests is that you'll get,
00:06:49.000what were they doing? Were they doing like 1 out of 10?
00:06:54.000They did at certain points have like a screen up with where people were ranked throughout the contest based on the runs they had already taken.
00:07:02.000But I usually avoid looking at that stuff because I feel like it makes me get in my head more.
00:07:13.000Some contests we'll do on a scale of 1 through 10.
00:07:16.000And then, it's actually because it's subjective, if you're a frequent competitor at these contests, and they know that you, let's say, I'm gonna give you a trick, most of you probably have no idea what I'm saying, but I'm just gonna say it.
00:07:29.000Let's say you do a kickflip to boardslide.
00:07:33.000That is, the board flips under your feet, and then you land on a rail with the, you know, just sliding on your board on the rail.
00:07:39.000If you do that three years in a row, the judges might actually be like, you have not improved at all in three years.
00:07:45.000So they scale you down and say, we know that you're not pushing it.
00:07:51.000If the judges know you, it can actually affect your score.
00:07:54.000I bring that up because what we're dealing with here is subjective choices in skateboarding that There are skateboarders who have competed who are like blind or missing legs, and the judges take those into account.
00:08:07.000So somebody who has no legs who competes in a skateboarding contest is obviously not doing the same kind of tricks.
00:08:13.000Like there's one guy who has his hands on the tail and those in the tail of the board, the ends of the board, and he jumps with his hands and then flips with his hands.
00:08:21.000Very different from someone who's only using their feet to make the board go up and flip with their feet.
00:08:24.000So they take those things into consideration.
00:08:27.000I'm pointing this out because it's interesting.
00:08:29.000In this circumstance, they could have said, well, we see that the trans woman is biologically male, has an advantage, and we'll hold that against them in the scoring.
00:08:38.000But they actually just gave them the better score and gave them the win.
00:08:42.000Yeah, I don't think that people, like, obviously in other sports where it's, you know, you're trying to get there the fastest or get the most points, it's easy to, for them to not be able to do that and not be able to consider those things.
00:08:58.000Or, I mean, I guess they can't consider those things in skateboarding.
00:09:01.000They could, but I don't think they do.
00:09:02.000I think that they're kind of in the boat that they don't want to do anything offensive or discriminate, but they don't even consider how it impacts the women and that this is a division created for us in the first place that we're now getting pushed out of.
00:09:17.000The biological women who haven't even had these divisions very long.
00:09:22.000I definitely want to talk about the cultural issues, too, because as I was mentioning a second ago, we created women's divisions under the cultural understanding it's biological females competing.
00:09:33.000You know, 20, 30, 40 years ago, we weren't like, sometimes people wear dresses and they identify that way.
00:09:39.000So let's create a division just for them.
00:09:41.000No, we were like, well, women are not placing in the typical contests.
00:09:48.000So I think most people don't understand this.
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00:11:46.000It was just a story I heard about really briefly.
00:11:48.000Actually, what was crazy is I was at the gym one day, and I heard two women who were working out together right next to me, like, talking trash about her.
00:12:26.000Women also have like menstrual cycles that affect the way that they compete.
00:12:30.000Our periods don't stop for contests and we go through a cycle where we actually experience different symptoms that impact the way that we compete and work out.
00:12:40.000But, um, men are also less prone to injuries.
00:12:44.000So, when I'm throwing myself down a stair set, I have more fear of, you know, rolling my ankle or hurting my knee than I think most men do.
00:12:54.000And I know that you talked about some of the hip angle stuff, which I was learning more about, because we have a different center of balance, which makes it harder for us to even ollie as high.
00:13:02.000Well, the hip angle is the injury thing.
00:13:44.000So the people who, for whatever reason, have more fast twitch, there's some genetic component to it, there's some training components to it, prenatal testosterone affects you.
00:14:36.000Did they have those characteristics you described in there?
00:14:38.000I mean, we didn't do like a weightlifting competition to figure out who's stronger, but this person does stand far taller than me.
00:14:45.000I honestly, I don't think it's really relevant whether a trans competitor is absolutely mopping the floor with the competition or the last place competitor.
00:14:56.000It's still not a fair playing field and they still didn't have to work as hard to learn the most basic things in skateboarding, regardless of how good they are now.
00:15:04.000So I think that when you start saying like, well, this person didn't have an advantage because the way that they're built, it just opens the door for this to happen more.
00:15:15.000So, you know, I have a personal stake in this, obviously, as I've been skateboarding for most of my life.
00:15:21.000And with a lot of sports, they make a lot of scientific arguments.
00:15:27.000And as I mentioned, the left will often say things like, well, you know, you're mentioning these things.
00:15:32.000Yeah, there are a lot of guys who are six feet tall and ripped and have longer arms, and Michael Phelps has a wide, abnormal arm span, which allows him to swim faster.
00:15:40.000But this specific trans person did not have those advantages.
00:15:44.000And my response is, in this case, with skateboarding, I can definitively say the trans person 100% did have these advantages.
00:15:50.000I mean, I think that's the same reason 12-year-old boys can outskate me if they've been skating for a year, because even being smaller than me and less strong than me, they still have these athletic advantages.
00:16:03.000It's not to say every man or every young man is going to outskate every female.
00:16:10.000There are definitely exceptions, but we shouldn't be going by the exceptions.
00:16:33.000I've been skating for several decades.
00:16:35.000I know about the physics of skateboarding and I've researched this stuff well before it ever became an issue.
00:16:39.000And I can tell you, without having to do any of that science, the number one factor that gives a biological male an advantage in skateboarding is a higher center of gravity.
00:16:49.000Because when I tweeted this, I had a bunch of people being like, actually a lower center of gravity is an advantage for women because they're doing gymnastics.
00:16:59.000When your center of gravity is higher in your chest, you can bail much easier.
00:17:03.000When you're coming down off of a ramp or something and you're falling and you're saying, I didn't make it, doom, you're in midair and you're going, whoa!
00:17:12.000With a higher center of gravity, you can direct your energy forward much more easily when you're falling.
00:17:18.000So that means when I jump off a stair set, I use my feet to guide and then I do a judo roll.
00:17:23.000That higher center of gravity allows me to throw my weight and roll easier than a lower center of gravity, which makes you more prone to flopping.
00:17:31.000A bail is when you choose to back to the trick, And a slam or a slam, a flop is a kind of slam.
00:17:38.000Slamming is when you just eat it and you lost control.
00:17:40.000Flopping is when you, you bounce when you do it.
00:17:44.000Higher center of gravity makes it easier for you to escape because you can, you know, you've got more weight up top.
00:17:51.000So when you're coming down, you can push off your toes and then throw your weight forward and roll because your center of gravity is already in the front.
00:17:58.000More importantly though, In skateboarding, an ollie is not a vertical jump.
00:18:04.000So if we're talking about volleyball or something, you can say like, oh, women can get a high vertical and a man can get a high vertical and whatever.
00:18:09.000No, skateboarding is a combination of a vertical jump and compressing your body towards your center of gravity.
00:18:16.000Men carry the center of gravity closer to their shoulders, women closer to their hips, for obvious reason.
00:18:20.000Women have wider hips, men have wider shoulders.
00:18:23.000More mass up top for a man means that if a man and a woman both have a vertical jump of 12 inches, The man will be able to compress his body an additional several inches towards the center of gravity that a woman cannot.
00:18:36.000So if you have a handrail that is two feet off the ground, a railing two feet off the ground or down the stairs, a man needs a lower vertical jump to access it on the skateboard than a woman would need on average.
00:18:48.000So when you're looking at even a trans woman, You can say, that person clearly carries their center of gravity higher than the females who have wider hips, and that is a VERY serious advantage.
00:19:00.000Now, a lot of people like to point out balance, and they say lower center of gravity is better balance.
00:19:23.000Anyone who's ever watched a skateboarding contest, I think skateboarding may be the one sport where it is the most pronounced difference in skill.
00:19:32.000And I know a good friend of mine growing up, Marisa Del Santo.
00:19:37.000And she was one of the best female skateboarders in the world.
00:19:39.000And in fact, I think she was one of the best skateboarders, particularly in Chicago.
00:19:44.000Because she would actually like back-lip like a 10 stair handrail or something crazy.
00:19:48.000And so that means like jumping down a railing that's very big.
00:19:51.000And that takes... The one thing I always thought about skateboarding that was interesting between men and women is that bravery and your ability to commit can determine whether you're good as opposed to just your muscle mass.
00:20:02.000Yeah, I think there's a lot of skaters who could probably skate a lot better if they just do it.
00:20:08.000Yeah, you have to just commit and trust yourself and trust that what you have right now is going to be enough to get to this bigger trick or the bigger rail or the bigger set and do it.
00:20:21.000But there's a lot of times where it's hard to make yourself do it.
00:20:24.000And then with men and testosterone, they're really aggressive.
00:20:43.000I think the first time I heard about it, I can't remember how old I was, but it was like a track and field story that I heard and I thought to myself and, you know, the friend who had mentioned it to me, like, that's crazy.
00:20:54.000There's no way this is going to keep happening.
00:20:58.000Like, especially their reporting on it.
00:21:00.000They're obviously going to recognize this isn't going to work out.
00:21:02.000But then you just keep hearing more and more impacting more and more sports.
00:21:07.000And it was actually when I heard about it impacting women in contact sports, like specifically like boxing, that I started to feel like Hey guys, Josh Hammer here, the host of America on Trial with Josh Hammer, a podcast for the First Podcast Network.
00:21:24.000Look, there are a lot of shows out there that are explaining the political news cycle, what's happening on the Hill, the this, the that.
00:21:31.000There are no other shows that are cutting straight to the point when it comes to the unprecedented lawfare debilitating This has to stop.
00:21:51.000So you didn't speak up right away, did you?
00:21:54.000No, and I'd actually seen this happen at a couple other contests I've done.
00:21:59.000And I always kind of just, you know, ignored it and went on with my life and thought, eventually this is definitely not going to keep happening because obviously people can tell that this isn't fair.
00:22:13.000And I get it that, you know, we're trying it out, but it doesn't work.
00:22:17.000So we have to find a different solution.
00:22:20.000And the couple of times that it happened before, once was at a contest where there were a lot of people from, like, all over the world, and I didn't expect to do that well, but I went out there for a good time and to, like, meet new people and enjoy the event.
00:22:32.000And the trans skater also wasn't one of the top skaters, but I did think it was a little weird that there was a trans woman in the women's division.
00:22:41.000I thought that doesn't seem fair, and the whole event was supposed to be, like, promoting, like, women's skateboarding.
00:23:17.000Even if there's nothing on the line, which is why I know that this story people are listening to because there's money involved, but regardless of whether there's money involved or a scholarship involved, this isn't right.
00:23:39.000But the third time it happened, I actually didn't speak up right away and part of the reason was I had a lot going on in my life and I didn't really want this to impact me and to upset me.
00:23:51.000I wanted to just move on and do the other things that I had been planning and looking forward to.
00:23:57.000But the more that I sat with it, especially because around the same time there was more and more media about Leah Thomas, and I saw the Riley Gaines interview on Fox where she spoke up about that.
00:24:12.000I felt like I was put in this position that I didn't want to be in, but now I felt like I wasn't fulfilling my values of standing up for myself and of standing up for other women.
00:24:26.000I felt a moral obligation to do something, and I didn't want to make a public post about it.
00:24:32.000What I wanted was to talk to the organizers and have hopefully a private conversation where they would at least get some perspective and understand that this isn't the way to handle this.
00:24:43.000But when I reached out to Red Bull by email, they did not respond to me.
00:24:48.000And after Sitting and thinking about it a little bit longer, I was pretty frustrated.
00:24:53.000I felt like this was a story that needed to be heard, and I didn't want people to think I was just okay with this.
00:24:59.000I want people to know that I'm the type of person to stand up for myself.
00:25:03.000So I posted it, and I did not expect it to blow up the way that it did, but I think that it blowing up just shows how concerned people really are about this issue.
00:25:16.000The initial response was bad because when I first posted I had like 4,000 followers just from like posting skate videos and traveling and meeting people and my follower count went down maybe like a hundred followers in like in the first hour.
00:25:34.000And it was all hate comments and it was from people I knew because those are the only people seeing it when it was first posted.
00:25:40.000So I knew some of the people wouldn't react good to it and I kind of already accepted that I don't really want to be friends with people who don't care about me having this fair place and who don't care about my voice at all and just tell me to shut up and deal with it.
00:25:59.000So, I knew I was going to lose some friends over it.
00:26:01.000What I didn't know was that a whole bunch of people were going to resort to anti-Semitism.
00:26:08.000So, it was pretty hurtful seeing people who I knew and been nothing but nice to for years start saying things that were blatantly anti-Semitic and calling me an evil Zionist war criminal on a post that's completely unrelated to me even being Jewish.
00:27:07.000But there were also a lot of people coming to the post and saying, Hey, I had some friend who told me to come here and harass you on their story.
00:27:14.000And then I read your post and I unfollowed them and I followed you.
00:27:17.000Because I didn't like the way that they were talking about you.
00:27:20.000And when you actually listen to what you're saying, it's really reasonable.
00:27:24.000But, yeah, I started getting messages, like these long messages of people thanking me and just pouring their hearts out to me and sharing their experience with me or parents thanking me because they're concerned about their kids' futures.
00:27:38.000And a lot of trans people who were also messaging me to say, hey, I'm really sorry about the hate you're receiving and I want you to know that I support you and this is not the opinion of all trans people.
00:27:50.000So that was really nice to have those kind messages to kind of combat the hate.
00:27:55.000And it was difficult to deal with at first just because it was so unexpected.
00:28:00.000I had no idea the post would get viewed as many times as it did.
00:28:05.000And I had no idea that that many people would be messaging me and leaving comments.
00:28:11.000And I dealt with a lot of anxiety that week, mostly because I thought, well, I'm in Israel right now, but what is going to happen when I go back to America?
00:28:20.000Because people were sending me death threats.
00:28:22.000People are telling me I can never go to a skate park again.
00:28:28.000And I know most of the time when people send stuff like that on the Internet, it's just talk.
00:28:33.000They would never say anything to your face.
00:28:36.000But I was also thinking, like, What if some person who's not in the best mental state takes it out on me and I get hurt because of it or worse?
00:28:46.000So that was really stressful to deal with and luckily I had a good community of people supporting me and encouraging me and I'm so grateful for everyone who was there for me during that time.
00:28:59.000Also, when you know that you're doing the right thing, you don't take all that hate personally, because everyone's trying to shame me, but I didn't feel like I did something I should be ashamed of.
00:29:10.000Do you consider yourself conservative?
00:29:16.000I'm still kind of finding my place in like political views and I don't consider myself extremely well-versed in all politics, but I think I would consider myself more like moderate.
00:29:29.000But over the past few years, I think I started leaning more towards that end.
00:29:35.000It's weird though, because at this point in the, in cultural politics, we don't even know what right-wing means.
00:29:40.000Yeah, and to me, it's like everybody's labeled me as some right-wing hero, or they accuse me of only talking to right-wing people.
00:29:49.000But I've talked to a lot of different people, and a few of them are right-wing.
00:29:53.000But I also talk to people who are on the complete opposite end of the spectrum.
00:29:56.000I did an interview with a guy who, after he did it, he said he wasn't going to post it because I don't think he liked my answers.
00:30:02.000I think he wanted me to look bad, and I actually had a reasonable conversation.
00:30:18.000He clearly disagreed with me, but I don't really have a problem with talking with someone who has a different opinion as long as we're not having a screaming match or they're just attacking me for other things.
00:30:29.000You know, so I've been rollerblading a bit more than skateboarding over the past year or so.
00:30:34.000Part of it is that I'm just like, I don't know what the right word is, but disillusioned with the skateboarding community.
00:30:42.000Actually, that interview was the one I texted you about that the guy was like ragging on you while he was interviewing me and I told you I don't know if he'll even use it and he could try to chop it up to like make me look real bad.
00:30:54.000That's what they do. But people know that. People know that's what they do and people who actually think for themselves
00:30:59.000and don't just take things out of context recognize that.
00:31:02.000So here's the crazy thing about the media is that you know you can say something like I don't think trans people
00:31:08.000should be discriminated against but I do think you can't discriminate against females for the sake of another group.
00:31:14.000They can simply say when asked about why they chose to discriminate they expressed disdain for trans people.
00:32:10.000So we at least have to try something and in some sports it is it is difficult because you wonder are there gonna be enough competitors, but What's happening now just isn't fair and I don't think women should have to you know, bear the burden and lose the opportunities especially when you see it happening with um When women transition to men they still compete with the women too Well, so let me ask you about this.
00:32:37.000Uh, Leo Baker, uh, formerly Lacey Baker, uh, came out, uh, was one of the top female competitors in the world for a long time in the women's division, came out as transgender and went by he, him pronouns, but kept competing against women in the women's division.
00:32:54.000And so I saw that and I thought, well, why not try and qualify for the men's division if you identify as a man?
00:33:00.000Well, if trans women are doing the women's division because, you know, they are women, then if trans men are men, why aren't they doing the men's division?
00:33:11.000It's because they wouldn't be able to compete because they're at a disadvantage because they were born female.
00:33:16.000So Leo Baker eventually declared themselves to be non-binary, going by they-them pronouns instead of he-him.
00:33:23.000I could be wrong about that, and if I am wrong, I apologize, Leo, because I know a lot of people who know Leo as well.
00:33:39.000I think the answer is obvious, but I think it also kind of ruins that argument that they have about, you know, well, trans women are women, so they compete with women.
00:33:50.000Well, I think the fact that they're unwilling.
00:33:52.000Why are trans men competing with women, too?
00:33:55.000I believe that happened in NCAA swimming as well.
00:34:00.000So in the Leah Thomas story, you had a biological male who transitioned and is now a trans woman, and a biological female who has surgically transitioned, top surgery, to transition into a man but still compete in the women's division.
00:34:16.000It's always women who face the consequences of this.
00:34:19.000The argument was that Isaac Hennig, I believe the name of the trans man was, was not on testosterone, therefore it was okay.
00:34:26.000And it's like, okay, are you saying that testosterone is the determinant factor in what makes someone a man or a woman?
00:34:33.000And furthermore, Isaac Hennig underwent top surgery, which is a gender affirmation or whatever you want to call it, alteration of the body, and fat content affects your swimming performance.
00:34:45.000Women tend to have more swimming endurance, but are slower due to higher fat content.
00:36:00.000I kind of just do them as I hear about them or as somebody who I skateboard tells, like a friend of mine will tell me there's a contest coming up if I'm in the area.
00:36:30.000It feels like you're competing for second place.
00:36:34.000It feels wrong, and you feel like you're being told to believe this thing that isn't true, and you know it's not true, and it's so clear, but everyone goes along with it, because nobody wants to hurt anybody's feelings, but... That's not true.
00:36:46.000Well, not everybody goes along with it, but... No, no, I mean, I mean, they absolutely do want to hurt people's feelings.
00:36:53.000Yeah, that's a funny argument to me, that, like, well, the inclusion of trans women in sports is more important than fairness.
00:37:01.000What they're saying is, This person's feelings matter more than everybody else's feelings and screw everybody else's feelings.
00:37:08.000Well, do you think Do you think this has destroyed your chances of a career in skateboarding or what?
00:37:14.000I mean, I've gotten nothing but more opportunities after speaking up There's a lot of people who are really proud of me, which I think is crazy because I just said the truth I don't think I did anything heroic or anything, but I've met awesome people I'm here with you skate in the parks here that never would have happened.
00:37:28.000I mean maybe for some other reason down the line in the future, but There's a lot of people who skate who are never going to come here.
00:37:35.000Yeah, but the way I see it is nobody can ever take skateboarding away from me.
00:37:39.000That was something I was talking to Megan about when I was on her podcast.
00:37:44.000I feel like if I never skated a contest again in my whole life, life would go on, I would still love skateboarding the same way, and chances are I probably won't be skating any Red Bull contests.
00:37:55.000But I don't think this is going to eliminate the possibility of me skating contests anymore.
00:37:59.000In fact, I've had a lot of skate parks reach out to me to tell me that I'm welcome there and that wouldn't happen there.
00:38:21.000There are people who made really violent, nasty threats and I don't want to find out how serious somebody who doesn't seem like they're that mentally stable is about wanting to kill me or hurt me.
00:38:32.000I think actually the people who have an issue with this should be boycotting these events.
00:38:35.000So people should not be going to Red Bull events if they take issue with it.
00:38:38.000I should take the whole crew of all the women I'm going to meet at the rally for the 50th anniversary of Title IX to come boycott outside the skate park.
00:38:48.000I don't know if that's worth my time considering Red Bull just ignores everybody who tries to have a reasonable conversation with them to make something positive happen, but I guess that my opinion doesn't really matter to them.
00:39:01.000We, uh, you know, we're, we're intent on building culture and doing stuff.
00:40:18.000Because if we don't, nobody will know how we feel.
00:40:22.000We are going to film a video together and we are going to give you a check covering the amount you should have won so that you get the full amount you would have gotten in first place.
00:40:30.000That tweet was one of the ones that really sent a lot of people to come support me.
00:41:16.000And you talked about the anti-Semitism too, which I appreciate because I don't think I didn't want that to be the big issue, but you can't ignore that, what happened and what's still happening.
00:42:30.000And people can cancel me, but the whole being cancelled thing, or like being cancelled, It's like an internet thing, because in my real life, I still have most of my friends, like all my best friends, they got my back no matter what, unconditionally, even if they didn't agree with me.
00:42:47.000But all of them recognize this is unfair, too.
00:42:50.000And, you know, I still have skateboarding.
00:43:27.000And I texted, I texted you and I was like, Hey, I'm not sure what's happening and I'm going to try to talk to him, but I think I might be getting kicked out of my home.
00:43:37.000And there was a moment there where I was really scared.
00:43:41.000I was thinking people just got me kicked out of my home.
00:43:47.000And I actually had gotten messages from women who had run like more smaller local just little things they're organizing where they, you know, it said this is for biological women and like had people like calling their jobs trying to get them fired.
00:44:08.000Luckily for me, I was in a position where I'm uncancellable, and that remains true still.
00:44:15.000But keep trying, because it's interesting.
00:44:18.000They had more power maybe like six years ago, but it's been waning because we've been resisting and we've been building out our own infrastructure.
00:44:25.000I don't mean like me here at TimCast, I mean just people in general.
00:44:27.000People in general, and I think people recognize a lot of it's bullshit.
00:44:54.000If you guys haven't, go to youtube.com slash castcastle and watch the videos that Taylor's in, acting and doing bits with Jamie, because Jamie was cancelled and you guys are doing this thing.