Tim and Luke discuss the Alec Baldwin case, the Kyle Rittenhouse case, and the impeachment of Joe Biden. They are joined by City Journal's Charles Leeman and The Best Political Shirt's Luke Snekk to discuss it all.
00:00:18.000We just couldn't figure out which one was more important, but we opted for the Alec Baldwin one because, well, the case with Kyle Rittenhouse is gonna be coming up the next week or so, so we're gonna have a lot of time to talk about that, but we will talk about both.
00:00:30.000In the case of Alec Baldwin, The district attorney says that charges are possible for Alec Baldwin, and two separate high-profile legal analysts, lawyers, have laid out the case as to why Alec Baldwin may be facing at least involuntary manslaughter charges.
00:00:47.000Now, in order to get anything higher than that, they'd have to find some kind of intent, and that's all they would need.
00:00:53.000Seriously, a prosecutor could find out that she, you know, she once stole 20 bucks from his wallet, and then he could try and make the argument.
00:01:01.000But right now, this analysis from Andrew Branca is actually really poignant.
00:01:07.000That Alec Baldwin pointed a gun, pulled the trigger, and had every opportunity to inspect the weapon and did not do it.
00:01:14.000And then, you know, I'll add, he's been trained over multiple decades working in films, knowing firearm safety.
00:01:20.000There were already negligent discharges on set that crew had protested over, so you're really close to getting, like, more than manslaughter.
00:01:27.000But at the very least, that's what we could be seeing.
00:01:30.000Now as for Kyle Rittenhouse, this is the kid in Kenosha, and I'm sure many of you are familiar with this.
00:01:57.000So the judge has outright said, you can't call them victims, but you can call them looters, rioters, and arsonists.
00:02:03.000And there was even a point where the prosecution tried arguing that this man, you know, who was shot, there's no evidence that he attacked anyone else.
00:02:57.000And then we're also going to talk about impeaching Biden because before the show, he said the Republicans are going to win and they are going to impeach Biden.
00:04:34.000So the Polish have a long history of resisting left-wing and right-wing tyranny and I'm very proud of my heritage and my people and my great-grandparents paid the ultimate price fighting all of those crazy ideologies and I want to make sure we don't have to fight them here.
00:06:24.000Criminal charges possible in shooting on Alec Baldwin's set, DA says.
00:06:28.000An inquiry into how a cinematographer was killed with a gun the actor was rehearsing
00:06:32.000with, which was not supposed to have live rounds in it, could take weeks.
00:06:35.000They said the Santa Fe County District Attorney said on Tuesday that she was not ruling out
00:06:39.000criminal charges in last week's fatal shooting on a film set.
00:06:43.000Alec Baldwin was rehearsing with a gun that he had been told did not contain live ammo when it went off, killing the film's cinematographer.
00:06:53.000DA Mary Carmack-Altwee says we haven't ruled out anything.
00:06:58.000Everything at this point, including criminal charges, is on the table.
00:07:01.000I just want to point out, the entire time this story has been in the news cycle, Alec Baldwin has been given every benefit of the doubt, and it's been wrong every time.
00:07:10.000The first thing they said was, it was a blank, and it was a misfire.
00:07:14.000Now, then we learned from the Union, it wasn't a blank, but it was a misfire.
00:07:18.000Now we're learning Alec Baldwin pulled the trigger.
00:07:24.000You know, I think that's even interesting too.
00:07:27.000Was it negligent discharge or was it Alec Baldwin intentionally discharging the weapon?
00:07:32.000That's why this starts to get into criminal territory.
00:07:35.000And there's also a lot of people complaining about the production cutting corners, a lot of staff saying that they were terrified because the guns were going off beforehand incorrectly.
00:07:44.000And hearing, you know, misfire by the mainstream media, it doesn't tell the story here at all.
00:07:49.000So we're seeing a concerted effort to try to murky the waters already.
00:07:54.000So at least, at least there should be an investigation here to find out what really happened.
00:07:59.000Misfire specifically means the gun didn't go off.
00:08:01.000So that's incredible negligence by the media saying that.
00:08:08.000They don't know what they're talking about.
00:08:10.000Whether he intended to or not, it was a negligent discharge, and I think it... I mean, there were three people that I can tell are involved.
00:08:15.000Hannah Gutierrez-Reed is the armorer who handed the weapon to Dave Halls, who was the assistant director, who handed the gun to Alec and told him it was cold.
00:09:06.000You know, for someone who lectures about how dangerous firearms are, he sure didn't take this matter seriously.
00:09:12.000Well, so I kind of feel like manslaughter is possible, but you know, when I was bringing this up earlier, Charles, you were just like, never gonna happen.
00:09:53.000Nobody wants the attention of a celebrity murder case.
00:09:57.000Less people hate him, and people like Alec Baldwin.
00:09:59.000He's kind of a jerk, people like Alec Baldwin.
00:10:02.000Half the country does, and that's the big issue.
00:10:05.000When it comes to issues like Kyle Rittenhouse, Derek Chauvin, we know Antifa will go around and smash up windows and burn down buildings, and the right won't do anything like that.
00:10:13.000So there's already an obvious, you know, it flows in one direction.
00:10:17.000The prosecutor's gonna look at this and be like, okay, let's say we do go after Alec Baldwin.
00:10:21.000We're gonna get a bunch of crazed, you know, lefty types screaming in our faces, yelling at us, and let's say we don't prosecute them.
00:10:31.000I think Lady Justice is blind, and if an actor negligently discharges a weapon that he should have inspected and kills someone, that a manslaughter charge is warranted.
00:10:43.000Well, let me read this from Legal Insurrection.
00:10:46.000This is where it gets interesting, because the DEA is saying they could have criminal charges, and Andrew Bronco, we've had on the show before, he's got excellent analysis on the Rittenhouse case, which we, you know, and we'll talk about that case in a second.
00:10:56.000They say, Alec Baldwin situation beginning to look a lot like manslaughter.
00:11:00.000The more we learn about the fact of the case, within the context of New Mexico criminal law, the more this shooting looks increasingly like a crime.
00:11:51.000Now, interestingly, some of these recently are new developments, such as that he pulled the trigger, that he pointed it at the woman, and then he pulled the trigger.
00:12:00.000Initially, people were saying misfire, as if to claim that, like, I heard one report they were like, oh, someone pulled the hammer back and handed it to him, and then when he was holding it, it just went off.
00:12:09.000Like, as if that's what misfire meant.
00:12:14.000The other relevant factors which I've stated, but for the context right now, I'll say again.
00:12:18.000There is a witness who, uh, not a witness, but I guess you could say a character witness, someone who's worked with Baldwin, who says that they worked with him in the past and he was always very careful.
00:12:26.000That was back in, I think, the 80s or something.
00:12:27.000That means Alec Baldwin has decades of firearms training on set.
00:12:33.000There were already negligent discharges on the set that crew had complained about, so you can't say he didn't know.
00:12:41.000Then he was handed a weapon, aimed at the woman, and pulled the trigger.
00:12:44.000That sounds like, that sounds intentional.
00:12:47.000From a legal perspective, not a strong point of legality, but from a firearm safety perspective,
00:12:52.000the number one rule of even a prop gun is that you don't point it at somebody unless
00:12:56.000you're willing to pull the trigger. And as you were saying, for somebody who's so
00:13:00.000aware of how dangerous firearms can be, there's no reason to point a prop gun at somebody who
00:13:07.000you're not actively using. I don't know if he was aware.
00:13:09.000If he was aware, I think this would have been prevented.
00:13:11.000He sure preaches a lot, a lot of this political ideology against people who want to have the right to defend themselves.
00:13:18.000The first rule of firearm handling... Every time... One of my former colleagues, a guy named Steven Gutowski, who now runs... He runs a gun news site called The Reload.
00:13:28.000But he's one of the best firearm reporters in America right now.
00:13:32.000And Steven took a bunch of us shooting at the NRA range.
00:13:38.000And the first thing that they tell you, everybody in that room is viscerally aware of the importance of trigger discipline, of being wearing your safeties on, wearing your safeties off, of where you're pointing your gun, only ever pointing the gun downrange.
00:13:50.000If it's loaded, only ever point it down.
00:13:52.000Like these are, you know, if you genuinely believe this is a deadly weapon, or if you believe this is a facsimile of a deadly weapon, you have to treat it as such, because it will always be loaded.
00:14:00.000Let's think about the absurdity of the argument I keep hearing from people defending Alec Baldwin.
00:15:40.000So she's got guns and someone comes up and grabs one.
00:15:45.000I don't think necessarily that that's criminal.
00:15:48.000It's her job to have the weapons on set.
00:15:50.000According to the story, they went to lunch and then they came back and they just gave... So someone, while they were away at lunch, the guns were unattended.
00:16:09.000There's reports that some of the staff were using the gun for target practice even before that with live ammunition.
00:16:17.000So, I mean, this goes along with the kind of narrative that we've been hearing, that they've been cutting corners, that they were just trying to make sure that they produced this movie as cheap as possible.
00:16:27.000They walked off set for safety concerns before this incident.
00:16:30.000They walked off set because of conditions that they said weren't right on this movie set, but Alec Baldwin and the production staff still continued, and I mean, this is where we are right now.
00:17:07.000It matters what kind of lawyers you could hire.
00:17:09.000And he's gonna hire, if there is charges, he's gonna hire the best lawyers that they are that will give him the best justice that he could afford.
00:17:58.000Like, what would jailing Alec Baldwin do to prevent him from doing this again?
00:18:02.000I kind of feel like he won't do this again, you know?
00:18:05.000But people want some kind of emotional satisfaction.
00:18:09.000Well, it's not just emotional satisfaction, right?
00:18:11.000The justice system serves a variety of functions, but retribution is not just about emotional satisfaction with the public, it's about the fact that there was a real harm done Regardless of intent, and there has to be some response to that.
00:18:23.000The absence of the response is harmful.
00:18:24.000I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out, yeah, I'm trying to get over here what the deal is with the district attorney who's, you know, going to be, uh, district attorney's offices are highly politicized today in 2021, the way they were five, 10 years ago.
00:18:35.000Um, it's, she seems like a, she, she seems like a career professional, but you know, she has an enormous amount of power in making these decisions.
00:18:44.000It turns on, it turns on her, uh, essentially unlimited discretion whether or not to break charges.
00:18:49.000You know, actually, you bring that up, it's actually really simple.
00:19:00.000It sounds like maybe you were implying that if nothing happens, if no charges come, that actors in the future won't really care if they happen to also issue a negligent discharge.
00:19:11.000I mean, I think deterrence matters as well for punishment, right?
00:19:15.000But like, in this case, it's not about deterring Alec Baldwin.
00:19:18.000It's not about deterring other people.
00:19:20.000Like, Alec Baldwin's probably not going to go out and shoot a bunch of people.
00:19:24.000But it is about, like, the primary function of the justice system in this case is adjudicating to what extent the person who was harmed was harmed in a way that violated the law.
00:19:33.000And then if that's true, how they can get reciprocity for that harm.
00:19:38.000Yeah, a civil suit's coming, and Alec's gonna be paying out millions to the family.
00:19:42.000Regardless of criminal culpability, Alec Baldwin is responsible.
00:19:46.000And it's remarkable how many stands for Baldwin can't accept that.
00:20:40.000Because the jury is going to be unwilling to go up against the riots.
00:20:45.000When those riots happened in Kenosha, the only people who came out and did anything was, for the most part, Rittenhouse and the people with him, the militia guys.
00:20:53.000The cops said, thank you for being here and gave them water.
00:20:57.000But do you think the jurors are happy about that?
00:21:00.000I'm sure they're just like, I wish there was no conflict.
00:21:02.000Now, if they side with Rittenhouse and those individuals, maybe they can cross their fingers that those people will come out and defend their neighborhood after the riots happen, or they can say, you know, just, he's guilty and he can go to jail and then we don't gotta worry about riots at all.
00:21:15.000This is going to be a very important case because a lot of people are betting on this case.
00:21:19.000A lot of people, you know, there's a lot of implications here.
00:21:23.000A lot of people are doubling down and investing in this and a lot of people are threatening to riot.
00:21:28.000A lot of people are threatening a lot of civil disobedience.
00:21:31.000A lot of people are threatening to do violence to others if this court decision doesn't go the way that they want it to go.
00:21:37.000So you see this politicized in so many different ways, and that's why it's going to be so difficult to actually get true justice here, I believe, because of how many people from the outside are involved in this, how many people are investing into this.
00:21:52.000And what I mean by betting, I mean putting political capital into this, because a lot of this hangs in the balance of where this country is going to go.
00:22:18.000I mean, I don't have a strong opinion on the case.
00:22:21.000That's why we have an adversarial criminal justice system.
00:22:25.000The jury should know more about it than I do.
00:22:27.000But I do think the context of the case This sort of, like, temporary collapse of civil society that happened last summer is the context in which this all became possible.
00:22:37.000It's the context in which, like, a teenager, justifiably or not, was out patrolling the street with a weapon.
00:22:44.000Like, something deeper has gone wrong that you get to that point, regardless of whether or not he was justified in the individual shot.
00:22:54.000Well, they aren't currently, okay, they're not doing great in Minneapolis, but they aren't currently having exactly, in Kenosha, they're not having exactly the same level of rioting that they were having.
00:23:05.000I think this is a symptom of the greater problem, which is the collapse of civil society.
00:23:09.000If you take a look at the federal level politics, if you take a look at even state to state politics, it just, right now, it just feels like the law is, if you are in line with the party in power, you're good.
00:23:24.000Democrats control most of the cultural institutions, basically all of them.
00:23:27.000Right now they have Congress and the executive branch.
00:23:32.000And as much as conservatives might, you know, people might claim the conservatives have the Supreme Court, it's still kind of an establishment conservative based on the Supreme Court, not a populist Trump-supporting one.
00:23:41.000Well, Alec Baldwin likely will, you know, face no charges.
00:23:45.000Kyle Rittenhouse is facing very serious homicide charges.
00:23:48.000And the crazy thing is, There's a lot of people that want to say Rittenhouse is a hero.
00:23:52.000And I don't think we need to say that.
00:23:53.000I think the situation was bad all around and people shouldn't have been there, but it's hard to discern exactly how it should have went down.
00:24:01.000I'm not gonna pretend to have all the answers.
00:24:02.000But when you have someone like Destiny, who is the leftist streamer, he got banned from Twitch's partner program for saying definitively this was the clearest case of self-defense he'd ever seen or something to that effect.
00:24:14.000The fact that they charged him with homicide and these very serious charges says to me they're expecting to fail.
00:24:20.000So my favorite example is, did you follow the case of the two New York highly educated lawyers who got picked up?
00:24:32.000Yeah, the two people who went out and threw Molotov cocktails at cop cars.
00:24:37.000What I love about that story is the rallying to their defense.
00:24:41.000If you go look at federal records, there were lots of people who got picked up for arson charges, like guys who threw molester cocktails at the courthouse in Seattle, people who burned out cop cars.
00:24:54.000And yet, peculiarly, these are the ones who got a full court press in the media.
00:25:00.000These two highly educated, well-connected activists slash lawyers who decided they would go out joyriding with You know, explosives and attack a cop car.
00:26:33.000But at the same time, a lot of people were unhappy with the cops, even on the right, because of the lockdowns.
00:26:38.000Cops are coming along, shutting down small mom-and-pop businesses.
00:26:41.000People on the right were like, wait, wait, wait, what is this back to blue flag that I have here that absolutely is hypocritical for me to have if I actually believe in personal freedom and liberty?
00:26:51.000I was told coming in that I was gonna have to be the one defending the cops.
00:26:57.000Yeah, I mean, you know, I think, look, the responsibility, maybe you don't want to look at that particular topic now, but in general, the responsibility of the police is to preserve civil order and enforce the laws written.
00:27:08.000Yeah, and you know, allow Walmart and Costco to be open while they shut down the small mom-and-pop businesses.
00:27:13.000Would you say that's ethical and right and moral?
00:27:16.000No, I would not say that's ethical or right and moral.
00:27:18.000I would also say that the root of the problem is not with policing as an institution.
00:27:23.000Well I think I think policing just in general obeying ... orders from bureaucrats when they're immoral illegal and ... decrees is is a huge moral problem in this country and ... why a lot of people on the right didn't support them when ... Black Lives Matter stepped onto the streets and we're ... saying hey we don't like these cops a lot of right-wingers ...
00:28:03.000But at the end of the day, if you don't like the rules, you still have to follow them.
00:28:05.000If you don't, we don't have a society anymore.
00:28:07.000We can't live in a society where you can be free to throw a Molotov cocktail at people and get free defense in the press.
00:28:17.000And while I agree that unequal fortune is bad and baton rules are bad, the ground trust in that law and order, I think, is critical for running a stable, functioning polity.
00:28:27.000And you're right, except, when it comes to Luke's examples, the police were shutting down businesses by decree, without legislative process.
00:28:35.000So these were cops who were saying, look, it's not a law, it's not democratic, it's not legal, but the guy who signs my checks told me to do it, so I'm gonna do it anyway.
00:28:43.000And they did it selectively, so the politician's friends got to do whatever they wanted to, the billionaire class.
00:28:47.000Well, take a look at de Blasio painting Black Lives Matter in the street, and then sending 27 cops to defend that.
00:28:52.000That was an illegal seizure of taxpayer dollars.
00:29:08.000If it's all the big city mayors who have been caught not wearing masks or they continue to impose mask mandates in their cities, it's a major problem.
00:29:17.000Biden administration officials keep getting picked up not wearing masks in public.
00:29:21.000On the Amtrak, There was an incident in North Jersey where when they shut down all the businesses, a woman was doing a Facebook live stream showing off the things she sold and cops came to her business and said, ma'am, you need to close.
00:29:38.000And she goes, what are you talking about?
00:29:51.000These are the people, so this is the problem I have.
00:29:54.000If this is the direction policing is going, where cops are quitting over vaccine mandates, they're refusing to abide by the edicts, and those who will abide by the edict are staying in place, then we don't have what you described.
00:30:06.000Police officers keeping civil society, you know, functioning and enforcing the rules.
00:30:12.000What we have are people who are not enforcing the rules, who are just acting as lackeys for despots who are ruling by decree.
00:30:21.000Now, if abolishing the police is too extreme, and maybe it is, then we need to fire all the cops that are unwilling to abide by the law, and then hire cops who are.
00:32:15.000I would argue that there would be less harm.
00:32:18.000I think, as we were discussing to bring the conversation full circle, the thing that gave birth to Covered in House is what anarchy looks like.
00:32:23.000I think that that is... Absolutely not.
00:32:25.000That's an arco tyranny. No, no, no, no, if it wasn't for the state incentivizing putting fuel on that fire making
00:32:30.000that fire that much worse working hand in hand with the mainstream media showing that George Floyd footage over and
00:32:35.000over again enraging people we would have never happened if you didn't have so many state elements participating. The
00:32:41.000They were for that for For days, these people were burning down buildings.
00:32:46.000There's a video where a guy in his 70s, his mattress store I think it was, was being burned down.
00:32:51.000And when he tried stopping people, someone went behind him and cracked him over the head with a rock, left him lying on the ground unconscious and bleeding out.
00:32:59.000And the police stood back and did nothing.
00:33:02.000So why, why am I going to support these guys?
00:33:14.000When it finally reaches the point where they were pushing a flaming dumpster towards a gas station, and they were, we have video footage and we've had three different, we had four, no, we've had five witnesses on this show telling us that's what they were doing.
00:33:28.000We can sit back and say, there was a good possibility the gas station could have blown up.
00:33:33.000Or, Kyle Rittenhouse took a fire extinguisher and put the fire out so they chased after him, and then someone fired around either into the air or at him, depending on who you ask.
00:33:40.000The press says in the air, New York Times says that some witnesses we've spoken to said it was at him.
00:33:45.000And then he turned and was attacked by Rosenbaum and fired in self-defense.
00:33:49.000If the police were doing their job, none of this would have happened.
00:33:55.000So you guys had Michael Schellenberger on recently, right?
00:33:58.000And Schellenberger, in his book, he got what he claims is the first at-length interview with Carmen Best, who was the Chief of Police in Seattle.
00:34:08.000Where the Chas Chop protests happened.
00:34:11.000And she was the one who got the order to give up the 5th Precinct and retreat after they took over the precinct and established their little autonomous zone.
00:34:20.000And what she says, she was like, this is insane.
00:34:31.000And I think the reason for that is that there was a sense that police activity and advert harmful police activity man her justified was
00:34:40.000going to be punished in the in the public eye more than writer activity was so it's like when
00:34:46.000you go to the ice cream shop and there's a little kid screaming i want two scoops the
00:34:50.000mom's like i'm sorry i'm sorry i'll give you can you give me two more scoops he's gonna he'll
00:34:55.000stop yelling if i do and then he never stops yeah
00:34:58.000The police need to come in and say, what you are doing is illegal.
00:35:02.000You are hurting people and burning down buildings, and we will respond in kind to stop you.
00:35:08.000So you're talking about officers leaving over vaccine mandates, but cops have been departing big city departments, either retiring or resigning, or Most frequently, as far as I can tell, going to other more friendly jurisdictions.
00:35:22.000And when you talk to them, what they say is basically like, I don't believe that the civilian leadership is going to have my back.
00:35:29.000I don't believe that if I make the wrong call, I think they're going to throw me under the bus because my job is not popular.
00:35:35.000There's an element of that, but there's also a lot of police officers that are brown-nosing and are saying, you want me to leave?
00:35:40.000You want me to give this police precinct to these crazy people?
00:35:58.000The institution as we've known it and want to protect is gone.
00:36:02.000And so now my fear is what remains are cops who are unwilling to enforce against rioters because of bad optics and because they won't get protected, but they're more than happy to arrest you for bearing arms, your constitutional right, and they're more than happy to fine people and do all of the administrative and bureaucratic, you know, civil violation stuff.
00:36:22.000So all that's going to happen is people are going to say, I was going like five over and I got pulled over.
00:36:32.000So if we're getting only the worst of policing, and it's not just the police's fault because of it, it's also civilian leadership, then what are we actually defending?
00:36:42.000Well, but I think it's a policy choice, right?
00:36:44.000It's not the case that, you know, it's not the case that necessarily this needs to be the arrangement.
00:36:50.000I think it's the case that, you know, there's, when I was talking at Schellenberg's book, San Francisco, you know, I think one of the things that comes across is really, A theme of contemporary progressivism is that socially deviant, harmful behavior should be tolerated, and socially normal behavior, the average person should be highly regulated.
00:37:12.000That like, if you want to do drugs and camp out on the sidewalk and poop there, You can do that, and we will pay you to do it.
00:37:20.000But everybody has to be subject to the mask mandate.
00:37:24.000Everybody has to have their soda band.
00:37:30.000But I think that that is a theory of urban governance.
00:37:34.000That's a progressive theory of urban governance.
00:37:35.000And the thing that happened in the riots is that the judgment call was made that it would be more harmful to the legitimacy of the city to see cops stopping riots than it would just be to let everything burn.
00:37:47.000And this is part It's propagated through the media.
00:38:00.000Hosing the small business owners in the process.
00:38:03.000There's a systematic choice that was made to say this deviant behavior will be tolerated
00:38:09.000because the legitimacy of the system is in question if it isn't tolerated.
00:38:13.000So, you know, I take your point about the selectiveness.
00:38:16.000I just think the problem is like several layers, levels up from the cops per se, excuse me, the problem is like terrible governance decisions.
00:38:24.000I want to, I want to segue into this story we have.
00:38:39.000But, uh, we're, we're, we're segueing, segueing from the story that ultimately I think, you know, we were talking about the Kyle Rittenhouse riots.
00:38:46.000We're talking about how the police were standing down in the, in the George Floyd riots.
00:38:49.000I shouldn't say Kyle Rittenhouse riots, the George Floyd riots in which, or that was the Jacob Blake riots.
00:40:25.000It's making sure that the police that are going to enforce their edicts and their decrees are going to stay there and the people who are going to question it are of course going to be kicked out and to me John Oliver just kind of confirmed how much of a loyalty test these vax mandates are because A lot of the people who are compliant, a lot of the people who are saying, yes, I'll just do whatever you tell me, are the people who have taken the Vax.
00:40:45.000Some of the people who can't take the Vax, or don't want to take the Vax, or more people who are not in line with the state, who question the state, who still are waiting for a lot of the data to come in, are people who are usually skeptical of centralized authorities.
00:40:58.000So this to me is going to shift things in a major dramatic way as of course there's estimates that major cities could lose one third of their police forces because of these mandates.
00:41:09.000Now when you have such a huge loss with crime already going up dramatically in cities this is a recipe for a disaster and to me only propagates a situation where of course you're going to have politically divided people more and more in certain areas that may or may not go against each other but We also have the news that in Florida, the governor there, Ron DeSantis, is offering police officers $5,000 in a signing bonus if they refuse to take the vaccine and relocate to Florida and decide to be police officers there.
00:41:44.000I don't know the number, but there's a push for similar.
00:41:45.000There's an Indiana police department that said that they're going to welcome all the Chicago police officers, whichever police officers do not want to take the vaccine.
00:41:54.000There's also a Chicago Police Union president that has been censored.
00:41:59.000He can't speak about the vaccine and what's going on right now.
00:42:03.000But before he was censored by a court, he was making some pretty good points about how a lot of these policies are discriminatory, how a lot of his officers can't take the vaccine, don't want to take the vaccine, have natural herd immunity.
00:42:14.000He was making some really good legitimate arguments.
00:42:32.000There's a lot of reasons why I thought we should get away from the city.
00:42:34.000We were originally in the Philadelphia area on the Jersey side and we wanted to, we almost
00:42:39.000bought a building out there, but sale kind of fell through and it was just, you know,
00:42:44.000And then I thought, you know what, we need space.
00:42:46.000We need space, we need cheap space, and we shouldn't be in New Jersey for a variety of reasons.
00:42:50.000And one of those was that as much as the cops we had were actually really good, We had a small department with a handful of guys who were, they were quick, they were good people.
00:42:58.000I talked to them, you know, I would go into the police station and talk to them and they were great.
00:43:04.000Moderate individuals, not crazy Trumpers, but certainly not authoritarian.
00:43:08.000And I just kind of thought, as things get crazy and they issue these lockdown orders, And just north of where we lived was the Atlas Gym, where the cops actually came and arrested a guy, I guess.
00:43:29.000And I was like, if they can do that, staying in this place is a really, really bad idea, because the cops aren't going to protect you, they're going to oppress you.
00:43:36.000They're gonna tell you that by decree, you can't leave your home, you can't go to the store, you can't do these things, but they're not gonna be there when you need them.
00:43:59.000And as much as there's still risks there, because then everything's on you, one thing I noticed is that a lot of people have said, People are actually reluctant to go up into a mountain full of right-wing nutjobs and commit crimes because everyone there is armed to the teeth.
00:44:14.000Not that anybody actually ever shoots anybody, they don't.
00:44:17.000But people knowing that cops aren't going to come, they don't climb a mountain and then try to rob Mountainfool in the cities.
00:44:26.000People got a lot of guns in the cities too, though.
00:44:29.000Yeah, but not- Usually the criminal class.
00:44:46.000The one cop goes, I'd answer the door with a shotgun.
00:44:49.000And so I looked it up and I talked to him.
00:44:50.000They're like, oh, but if you use it, you'll go to prison.
00:44:53.000What they said was, it's a semi-castle doctrine state.
00:44:56.000What that means is you have an affirmative defense to shoot someone who enters your home, but you will be arrested and charged first.
00:45:04.000Then, after you spend a night in jail and try and get bailed out, which you might not, you can tell the judge why you were justified in shooting the man who was trying to kill you, your friends and your family.
00:45:15.000And so I'm like, I'm gonna have to argue in court that I don't want to jump from the- We didn't have a back door.
00:45:21.000The first floor went over a balcony because it was on a hill.
00:45:24.000And I'm like, so I gotta jump off a 20 store- you know, for 20 feet up?
00:45:58.000We could debate this later on the after show, but we could agree to discreet.
00:46:05.000West Virginia doesn't, but look, most crime in America, not all crime, most crime in America, increasingly most crime in America is concentrated in cities.
00:46:12.00080% of people live in metropolitan areas.
00:46:15.000You don't get a lot of crime in rural West Virginia because nobody lives in rural West Virginia.
00:46:18.000Nobody's going to come out and try to shoot you.
00:46:22.000I think we have situated the conversation in terms of like, we saw the largest single-year percentage-wise and absolute terms increase in homicide on record last year.
00:46:36.000Nationwide, it was much worse in individual cities.
00:46:40.000There are cities in America, Baltimore, Chicago, where the homicide rate, particularly the homicide rate for young black men, exceeds 100 per 100,000.
00:47:30.000But let's think about those budgets for a second.
00:47:32.000I mean, I've been to some countries where they have very... They don't have armed cops, you know, like South America has the Guarda.
00:47:40.000They've got a lot of crime for sure in a lot of areas.
00:47:42.000But, you know what, maybe it's... You look at Scandinavia, and they're an example of how countries are just very different.
00:47:49.000The left likes to use them as an example of how proper policing can be done, but then you're like, but they're small and they're different.
00:47:54.000In the United States, we do have a lot of cops.
00:48:10.000So the second point is, we don't spend a huge amount of money on cops.
00:48:13.000The second point is like, compared to OECD countries, cops per capita, we're like in the middle.
00:48:18.000Like we don't actually, we have way more prisoners per capita.
00:48:21.000Our prison capacity is, Enormous our cops are like Middling we absolutely there's there's a there's high quality estimates.
00:48:30.000This guy named Aaron Chalfan at um Pen and another fellow whose name is escaping me who do estimates of the returns to policing and their argument is that American cities are systematically under policed For the simple reason that like the amount of money that we spend versus the amount of money that we could save In real value a few people murdered if there were fewer cry through fewer thefts of their fewer assaults The benefits that we leave on the table dramatically outweigh the amount of money that we're spending now.
00:49:00.000Well, there's also another aspect to entertain here, and that's a lot of the blue flu going around, a lot of police officers refusing to do their job.
00:49:07.000There's also the fact that the NYPD has almost the same amount of members as many militaries around the world, almost comparable to Some of the top militaries out there.
00:49:18.000They have a whole NYPD intelligence unit that literally has spies all over the world.
00:49:22.000I would say that, you know, them spending five billion dollars is a lot of money for policing that many times they decide not to do and participate or even enforce.
00:49:34.000Militaries and police forces are apples to oranges.
00:49:37.000The number of things police forces have to do are much larger than the number of things police forces have to do.
00:49:40.000B, New York City is a dramatic success story in terms of public safety.
00:49:46.000If you look at violent crimes decline since the 1990s, it's fallen dramatically across the United States, across major cities, homicide, crimes of violence, etc.
00:49:57.000The decrease in New York City is 50% larger than other cities.
00:50:01.000Frank Zimring, who's a criminologist at UC Berkeley, looks at all the relevant factors
00:50:06.000in his book on this called The City That Became Safe.
00:50:08.000And his argument is that the root explanation is basically like there was a transition to
00:50:13.000more policing and more and better policing in New York City in the 90s.
00:50:16.000Like the NYPD, there are certainly – it is an enormous department.
00:50:21.000They spend a lot of time and a lot of money on a lot of different things.
00:50:24.000But it's hard to argue with the results in terms of crime reduction.
00:50:28.000New York City, in homicide rate terms, for example, looks so much better than comparable cities in the United States.
00:50:57.000I think that there's some argument there, but I find it ultimately uncompelling for reasons I can enumerate.
00:51:01.000You know, I do think ultimately, if you look at the timing of when the increases happen, if you look at where they happen, it comes down to – and this goes back to the conversation – a concerted national effort To delegitimize policing and to delegitimize the police.
00:51:18.000Like, if you agree with the claim that cops reduce crime, that cop presence reduces crime, and then you start punishing cops for showing up, you start saying it's not cool to be a cop, it's we hate the cops, we want to defund the police, cops are racist pigs who want to murder us, you're going to lose policing capacity.
00:51:34.000When you lose policing capacity, crime is going to go up.
00:51:35.000And that's what we saw happen dramatically last year.
00:51:38.000I'm not sure that explains I think there's so many variables that we could add on to this.
00:51:46.000We are, by best estimates, at like a tenth of the jail population that we were in February of 2020, and that's going to have an impact at the margins.
00:51:59.000I looked at 9-1-1 calls in Seattle because there's a paper arguing, looking at 9-1-1 calls as evidence that cops lost legitimacy after George Flay's death.
00:52:11.000And one of the arguments that I make in response to this paper is data that looks at calls for service by cops usually looks at both calls by civilians, like you pick up the phone and call 9-1-1, you're like, There's a crime, but also calls by cops to the center that manages dispatch.
00:52:34.000If you look in Seattle, which is where you're able to get really good numbers, you look at calls from cops and you look at calls from civilians.
00:52:40.000The week after George Floyd's death, calls from civilians are flat.
00:53:26.000And in some elements, I definitely agree with you.
00:53:28.000And I think you did bring up some important points.
00:53:30.000What do you think about the George Soros-appointed district attorneys?
00:53:34.000Do you think that they play a role in allowing a lot of criminals to be let off for a lot of the violent crimes, for a lot of the, some people say, petty crimes?
00:53:42.000But I think there might be a correlation with a lot of people being sent off while they're committing hard crimes.
00:53:48.000Meanwhile, political crime, I would argue, is being prosecuted very heavy-handedly, especially if you believe in the wrong kind of political ideology.
00:53:56.000Yeah, I want to jump to a story here, actually, because this is a really, really crazy tweet I saw from Mike Cernovich.
00:54:02.000Cernovich says, Judge Amy Jackson released a J6 defendant from pretrial custody after he disavowed Trump in a letter and his lawyer suggested a political conversion.
00:54:12.000I've never seen anything like this ever.
00:54:16.000So here's a guy who's been in jail now for, what is it, going on nine months.
00:54:20.000And there's been horrifying conditions.
00:54:52.000September 11th in the Patriot Act was the red line.
00:54:54.000When they signed the Patriot Act, they crossed the red line.
00:54:57.000There's a lot of stuff that happened throughout history, though.
00:55:00.000There's a lot, that's true, I think that was a major turning point, but there were other things that people, you could say, crossed on the Gulf of Tonkin, crossed the line.
00:55:07.000They can arrest anyone at any time with the Patriot Act.
00:55:19.000Well, I would just kind of go back to the point.
00:55:21.000What do you think about the kind of prosecution of political crimes while George Soros's appointed AGs usually let a lot of criminals off?
00:55:29.000Yeah, I mean, I think the progressive prosecutor movement, it's harder to track what's going on.
00:55:36.000One of the reasons you're able to criticize, people are able to criticize cops so effectively is because big city police departments release a lot of information.
00:55:42.000DA's offices are not actually that transparent.
00:55:47.000Some of these progressive offices are getting a little more transparent, which is nice because you can see where they're not prosecuting.
00:55:52.000Larry Krasner not pursuing gun crimes in Philadelphia, for example.
00:55:57.000It's hard to figure out what the impact has been in the short run, but I suspect in the long run, petty crime will flourish.
00:56:03.000If you look at a city like San Francisco, what has happened with shoplifting there is clearly in part a byproduct of the state's decision to say that theft under $950 will no longer be treated as felonious theft.
00:56:17.000It's partially a product of decisions by DAs like Chesa Boudin to say these offenses are not a serious issue.
00:56:24.000This goes back to the point I was making earlier.
00:56:26.000It's like, if behavior is perceived as socially deviant in certain ways, then it's considered acceptable and not deserving of punishment.
00:56:34.000If behavior is perceived as, you know, I don't have a strong opinion about this particular case, I don't know all the details, but I think it is certainly true that people can be prosecuted if not by the law, then certainly the public opinion for opinions which are not deemed acceptable by the mainstream media, by public commentators.
00:56:51.000I think a lot of cops are also disenfranchised.
00:57:01.000I think there's a lot more of the blue flu going around than we even know about.
00:57:07.000But also, it's kind of understandable because A lot of these cops are like, okay, I booked this guy, I risked my life to put him in jail, and then he's just let out the next day.
00:57:16.000Why should I even risk my safety to do this again when everyone also hates me?
00:57:20.000So I think there's an element of this that should be talked about and considered.
00:57:23.000When you talk about something like bail reform, I think there's a strong argument that cash bail is not a great idea, that you shouldn't be let in or out of jail because of your ability to pay as opposed to your risk to society, which is something you can do.
00:57:36.000But if you look at New York State's original bail law, which rather than assessing risk, just sort of released people, created a strong presumption of release for many classes of offenders.
00:57:47.000And the effect was, you were seeing guys get picked up and arrested 20 times, and they were out the very next day.
00:57:53.000And it's like, you're right, what is the point of running a criminal justice system And my colleague, Rafael Mangual, at the Manhattan Institute likes to say, criminals don't specialize.
00:58:04.000The guy who is getting picked up for jumping a turn style or public indecency, he's the same guy who thinks it's cool to jack a car.
00:58:16.000There's a terrible case in San Francisco.
00:58:18.000A guy was out on bail, thanks to Chester Boudin, stole a car, should've been in prison, should've
00:58:24.000been jail, and ran over and killed two pedestrians, an old lady and her daughter, no, her niece.
00:58:33.000It's a horrible case, and what happens is that criminals don't specialize.
00:58:38.000The guy who gets stuck in jail for one thing, well, gets let out, he is often the guy who
00:58:43.000goes on to commit a more serious offense.
00:58:45.000There are powerful elites that know they're burning the country to the ground, and they
00:58:50.000like the fact that many of these leftist and establishment Democrat types are too stupid
00:58:54.000to realize what's going on, or they're all really stupid and just marching in lockstep
00:58:59.000because they're not smart enough to realize they're burning the place to the ground.
00:59:02.000You look at the policies in these cities with these Soros DAs, and they're like, I'm gonna release this violent offender, and then he kills somebody, and it's like, well, who could have seen that coming?
00:59:10.000I kind of agree with you, Charles, that there are like two types of people, one that respects the law and one that doesn't respect the law.
00:59:15.000But then I see people like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden, who, they made specific crimes that you gotta wonder, is that law just?
00:59:24.000Like, was Hitler's restoration of the professional civil service of April 7th, 1933, which excluded Jews from civil service, was that a just law?
01:00:01.000It's not necessarily that everybody's malicious, it's not necessarily that everybody's stupid.
01:00:06.000I think about the mayor of Seattle, Jenny Durkin, I forget her last name, who looked at the Chaz Chop Zone and was like, this is the summer of love.
01:01:25.000They pretend to say that, but at the end of the day, they know that they're not doing that.
01:01:31.000I don't like that a small group of representatives are in charge of making the laws anymore.
01:01:36.000It doesn't seem right with 350 million of us that have access to the internet and doing this together that we've given up the power to like 600 people.
01:01:44.000It doesn't make any sense because you see these bastardized laws that they're creating and enforcing like the NDAA.
01:01:49.000They can just grab someone out of their house and stick them in Guantanamo for as long as they want.
01:01:54.000That's not justice. When they took a, what are they like a red, what was it, a red rider,
01:01:58.000a little wagon with 5,000 pages for the omnibus bill and they're like carting it into the
01:02:03.000Congress and they're like, nobody read it, nobody's gonna read it, let's make it a law.
01:02:07.000That's a functional system right there, huh? No, no it's not.
01:02:17.000But I think there's a bigger conversation to be had here because when we look at the statistics, especially within the last few months, the people are getting screwed over here.
01:02:46.000A lot of multinational corporate elites, a lot of billionaires who are raking in record profits while everyone else is having a harder time making it by.
01:02:54.000To be fair, I mean, you can just follow Nancy Pelosi and buy the stocks that she buys, right?
01:03:01.000And come on, when all this went down, it should have been obvious to everybody that you could just buy the stock for Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, Amazon.
01:03:24.000So if you were a millionaire, you were doing all right.
01:03:25.000Oh, you guys are talking about working class people.
01:03:27.000Oh yeah, the working class people were screwed completely.
01:03:30.000You know, I think sort of my response to that point is, so like this is not the worst violent crime has been in the United States, right?
01:03:38.000There's a, for viewers under the age of 30 who do not remember, I'm under the age of 30, but like for viewers who don't remember the 80s and 90s, Homicide rates were substantially higher, violent crime rates.
01:03:52.000You couldn't walk through Times Square in New York City because it was like a den of prostitution, sin, and iniquity.
01:04:05.000So, one thing that needs to be considered when it comes to tracking the homicide rate is that once cell phones became ubiquitous, Violent crime that resulted in death became violent crime that didn't result in death because people could call 9-1-1 immediately, whereas before this, they would rush to find a phone.
01:04:25.000And so what ends up happening is there's an illusion that there's a major drop-off in violent crime when there isn't.
01:04:31.000It's the same, there's a similar level of crime.
01:04:39.000And actually there's a leveling off around the Great Recession in the But that actually meant that that violent crime was skyrocketing, right?
01:05:22.000It could be that people weren't reporting the crimes.
01:05:25.000If there's a corpse on the ground, it gets reported.
01:05:26.000Yeah, so homicide is sort of the historically most reliable indicator, right, because there's a corpse on the ground.
01:05:32.000But we can plausibly compare the 1990s to the early 2000s when you say that violent crime is substantially lower.
01:05:40.000You can quibble about what the direction of that is, or the magnitude of the change, but it's definitely down.
01:05:45.000The point that I wanted to make is that violent crime rose in the 60s and 70s, I think largely for ideological reasons.
01:05:52.000All of the same ideas were in the water, that we should convert—that the criminal justice system should be primarily rehabilitative, that cops were violent and dangerous and racist, and that they needed to be—frankly, they were more violent, dangerous, and racist than they are now.
01:06:07.000perhaps way worse, 50 years ago than they are today, 60 years ago than they are today,
01:06:13.000that what we really needed was like a more therapeutic state that looked after everybody.
01:06:18.000And these ideas had enormous currency in the 60s and 70s, and there was a retraction of
01:06:23.000criminal justice capacity, there was a retraction of policing and incarceration capacity, and
01:07:27.000It's like when the Democrats retook the House, the first thing they did was pass H.R.
01:07:31.0001, the Voting Rights Act, which is part of the broader messaging schema of Republicans hate democracy, we're the pro-democracy party, vote for us.
01:07:40.000I don't know what the GOP's day one bill is.
01:07:43.000But do you think they have a good case for impeaching him or do you think it's just going to be a lie?
01:07:47.000of the economy. I do think that the precedent has been set that impeachment is a political
01:07:53.000tool, especially when you are in control of the House but not the Senate. So, you know,
01:07:57.000it doesn't matter. I think they're totally going to impeach Joe Biden because that's
01:08:08.000I think it's going to be the laptop, the emails, the photos of Joe Biden, the emails where he's sharing his bank account with his son and collecting money, and then they're spending money on each other's behalf.
01:08:17.000There's no specificity in the Constitution of what high crimes and misdemeanors actually means.
01:08:22.000It's whatever Congress says, and it's unreviewable by the Supreme Court or any other court.
01:09:14.000I don't trust the Republicans as far as I could see them or throw them.
01:09:18.000And I don't think they're even going to go with impeachment.
01:09:21.000I think there's going to be talk about this, but I don't think they have that much of a backbone and spine to even do that or even to match the Democrats on many of their aggressive motions, to be honest with you.
01:09:30.000I think the base wants a lot of things, and I think Republicans are there to placate them, pat them on the back saying, yes, in just a little bit, just a little bit more, we'll just give you anything you want, just vote for us.
01:09:42.000They're bad, but I think that's the game that they're playing here.
01:09:47.000That's my own personal opinion, and I might be wrong.
01:09:49.000The great thing about controlling the House of Representatives is that you're totally powerless, right?
01:09:54.000As I was saying before, every time the Democrats who take the House, they're like, oh, we're going to pass Medicare for All.
01:10:35.000Like, you can do these messaging builds, you can do these, and impeachment, and this goes back to the point, like, impeachment is just part of the political process now, it's just like a thing that you do to show that the other team is bad.
01:10:46.000I'm not even convinced Republicans are gonna win, right?
01:10:48.000So, we were talking about this before we started the show, you know, FiveThirtyEight and a bunch of other outlets say that, historically, the opposing party should win, and there's data to suggest it may happen.
01:10:59.000But there have been so many rule changes with like universal mail-in voting, which massively advantages Democrats for one simple reason.
01:11:07.000Most of you probably heard me say it, but it's this simple.
01:11:10.000When it comes to ground activism, knocking on doors, Democrats can hit a thousand families in one apartment complex, whereas Republicans got to drive.
01:11:17.000That means that Democrats can clear way more ground doing advocacy than a Republican ever could.
01:11:29.000Republicans have completely ignored this.
01:11:31.000Those that have been paying attention to the election have mostly been concerned about the audits, which have been long drawn out, and some interesting information comes out that ultimately no one moves on and nothing happens.
01:11:45.000Meanwhile, we can actively see the rules they're trying to change.
01:12:09.000My favorite example of this is voter ID, right?
01:12:12.000Voter ID is this great racist plot to destroy the democratic electorate, and if the republicans get to pass voter ID, then it will be the end of democracy as we know it.
01:12:22.000Except that actual studies of voter ID laws that have been implemented, it has no impact on the turnout.
01:13:38.000He's very effective, and boy, do they go after him.
01:13:41.000But the Democrats can easily do voter registration, and when you've got your mail-in ballots sitting right there on your table, and you knock on the door, look, it may not be the lazy people who they're gonna get, but there could be negligent people who go, you know, I was gonna.
01:13:53.000Well, why don't you just fill it out right now?
01:13:59.000I mean, the interesting question to me is, A, we didn't see a huge increase in turnout in 2020, so it could change in 2022, although, like, who votes in the off-site election?
01:14:11.000The interesting question to me is, like, the historical norm is that if turnout is high, Democrats win, turnout is low, Republicans win, for the simple reason that The Republican base is smaller, but it's a higher propensity to vote.
01:14:23.000It's like old people have nothing better to do than vote.
01:14:26.000The Democratic base is larger, but they're lower propensity to vote.
01:14:29.000It's like young people who are out partying in a Death Cab for Cutie concerts rather than voting.
01:14:35.000But I think that that is shifting as the electorate polarizes along educated lines.
01:14:41.000We at the Manhattan Institute just put out a paper that I think is really interesting talking about on-cycling or off-cycling elections.
01:14:49.000Virginia, the big race that's coming up next week, Virginia holds its elections off-cycle, which is like in 2021, in odd-numbered years.
01:15:33.000So, you know, we're talking about, when you bring elections on cycle, you dramatically change the electorate, and I'm interested in, if you boost voter turnout, does that Now, with the changing party composition, actually start to, if not benefit Republicans, then shift the balance in interesting ways.
01:15:51.000I think that's a real possibility with the Republican Party capturing lower education voters, the Republican Party capturing otherwise disenfranchised voters.
01:15:59.000If you make it easier for those people to vote, how does that shake things up?
01:16:35.000And then, so it's a very conflicted area.
01:16:36.000You cross the river into West Virginia, and it's red.
01:16:39.000I don't know if Loudoun is red or blue, but it's conflicted, and considering the state itself is supermajority now, or it's not, I don't know if it's supermajority, but majority Democrat, it's very, very interesting to see the sentiment of these people in these areas.
01:16:53.000One of the interesting things about West Virginia is that CRT is getting to those schools as well.
01:16:58.000It's because these activists are going and infiltrating rural areas on purpose.
01:17:03.000I guess it'll be interesting to see how that plays out in the next few years when it comes to elections, but I think Virginia's election is going to be, I don't know, kind of, what's the right word?
01:17:13.000Yeah, I mean, and it's really interesting how the two candidates are playing it, right?
01:17:18.000Like, McAuliffe is betting on Virginia as a blue state, and it's the kind of blue state that's motivated to turn out because they hate Donald Trump.
01:17:26.000Right, his agenda is, Glenn Youngkin is Donald Trump in the flesh.
01:17:30.000He's just the local, like, you think, you know, I'm terrible, Terry McAuliffe is like a, he's a career politician.
01:17:36.000He's been governor of Virginia before.
01:17:37.000He can't keep straight any of a number of things, including how many people in the state of COVID at any given time.
01:18:14.000I mean, this is a big election, and I think you're right, Tim.
01:18:17.000I mean, there's a reason Barack Obama's getting involved here.
01:18:20.000Even making comments about what happened in Loudoun County, which we can't even talk about here on YouTube because of the adult nature of what happened in that school.
01:18:31.000But Barack Obama said, you know, it's just parents overreacting and clearly a court ruled and saw things a totally different way.
01:18:38.000The facts speak of a totally different story.
01:18:40.000And I think that story that we can't even talk about that.
01:18:43.000I think there's another reason why we can't talk about.
01:18:45.000I think it might be even politically motivated.
01:18:47.000is is is shocking a lot of people in Virginia and is motivating them to vote against the current establishment against people like Barack Obama that are just conflating it with, oh it's just parents being crazy.
01:18:59.000We'll talk about that in the member segment because this is a particularly graphic story and if you want to get the full details out it's not something you want your kids to hear and it's also something that YouTube probably wouldn't be happy with because it involves a lot of sensitive It involves a lot of really disgusting issues, I'll put it that way.
01:19:16.000But I do want to talk about something while we're still live on this show, and it's a hard segue, but this is really important.
01:19:22.000From TimCast.com, Rumble acquires Locals in a bid to expand creator economy.
01:19:28.000The company wants to foster high-quality content by giving creators control of their content and data.
01:20:11.000Quote, we felt there was an opportunity to fairly serve everyone by providing the same tools large creators have without preferencing, Rumble told TimCast via email, based on the premise that small creators like Friends and Family were no longer being prioritized on platforms like YouTube.
01:20:26.000Privately owned Rumble launched in 2013.
01:20:27.000The company's creators felt large platforms focus on multi-channel networks, large corporations, and brands.
01:20:34.000Unlike other platforms, creators using Locals own not only their own content, but also the community data.
01:20:40.000The data can be analyzed to better understand and engage the creator audience with more insight into who they are reaching.
01:20:46.000Creators can expand their work and continue to generate revenue without outside influence.
01:20:50.000Instead, they'll use a subscription model Locals has built.
01:22:37.000So what ends up happening is we see alternatives emerge saying, we're going to create centralized subscription models just like Patreon, but with our own unique version of it.
01:23:14.000I mean, I've always been skeptical, even of the alternatives, because there have been alternative social media platforms that came and went, sold their viewers, deleted their content, and then just rebranded and started new again.
01:23:37.000That's why I have LukeOnSensor.com, you have TimCast.com.
01:23:41.000And I think this is the way that it's going to go, decentralized.
01:23:44.000And I think if you ever put your hope in a centralized system or somebody else to take care of something for you, I think there's a bigger chance you're always going to be let down.
01:23:53.000I want to put Substack out of business.
01:23:58.000I want to put Patreon out of business.
01:24:00.000I want to put all of these subscription services out of business.
01:24:05.000Now that is just me being kind of hyperbolic, but the point I'm making is, you know, for one, Ian spearheading with many other people the ON Foundation's work, which is creating decentralized open source versions of these tools, which means it's not just that you'll own your data.
01:24:24.000It'll be yours, and you can set it up, or you can join, like, a node where someone's got centralized server space, and then you can, you know, piggyback on it.
01:24:32.000The issue I have here is that the solution to the problems we faced, even by someone like Dave Rubin, has been to recreate the same system, which creates the same vulnerabilities and the same problems.
01:24:42.000Now, I don't know if I would go as far as you to say that they were sold out, because I don't know how this negatively impacts someone like Michael Malice.
01:24:49.000I'm really going to in the next coming weeks, because I want to know all the terms of the contract that are going to be as much as possibly publicly available, because maybe the people are going to make out like bandits on this as well as Dave.
01:24:58.000But Dave, I had a lot of faith in you, and I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
01:25:02.000I thought you were going to hold on to Locals for the next 20 or 30 years and really do this, at least try and do it right.
01:25:27.000It's not so much that they own the data, and they can claim you own the data, it's that if you build up, say, 3,000 paying subscribers on someone else's platform, and they're getting a cut of that, you can't leave.
01:25:50.000When Patreon nuked Carl Benjamin and a bunch of his fans started quitting and canceling subscriptions, it hit everybody.
01:25:57.000So I went from having, I think we had a few thousand people donating, And then when everyone's like, sorry, Tim, I can't support Patreon, I said, I set up Subscribestar, an alternate platform.
01:26:13.000So when I saw that, I said, centralizing people's subscriber base onto someone else's platform will always be negative towards these individuals.
01:26:22.000And what we need is a decentralized, easy-to-install package that someone can make their own version.
01:26:28.000At TimCast.com, the first thing we did was we hired a guy to make a very simple website.
01:26:35.000And then we started posting members-only content as if it was any other private subscription service.
01:26:42.000The amount of money that we would have spent if we went with any of these platforms, be it Patreon, Locals, Subscribestore, or otherwise, it was 70% higher.
01:26:53.000When I saw how much they charge people to use their platforms, I was just like, they are extracting value from people.
01:27:01.000Like locals, they're taking what, like 8-20% of your monthly income?
01:27:05.000They take some percent of your monthly income, and now that's going to rumble.
01:27:09.000And the value of them taking a large percent of the income is the network effect of locals.
01:27:15.000So if you leave locals, you lose that network effect.
01:27:19.000One of the things I think, you know, could be considered as well is that Rumble recently hired a bunch of video creators and personalities to make content for them.
01:27:26.000I wonder who they're gonna sell their company to.
01:27:28.000With the acquisition of locals, theoretically the integration would undercut any of their creators for making similar deals.
01:28:05.000And again, with all due respect to today, I said congratulations because I think he did great work and alternative media growing bigger and more powerful is a good thing.
01:28:14.000My answer is more like, my view of this is, You don't want to work for somebody.
01:28:23.000Making your own space where you can control it is good.
01:28:26.000But if the idea of locals was that you would control your own community, but that Dave could then sell your community to somebody else completely undercuts what, I guess, the story was supposed to be.
01:28:40.000I don't want someone to be like, Hey, I'm running a service.
01:28:43.000If you use it, I guarantee you X. And then I'll say, Oh, okay, great.
01:28:47.000Like you said, Oh, Dave's going to own this forever.
01:29:19.000Look, I'm not trying to rain on the parade, but I think being critical is fair because I've been critical of decentralized subscription services from the beginning, regardless of who owns it.
01:29:26.000In a lot of ways, Google buying YouTube was fantastic for creators because they were able to subsidize and create the partner program and start paying people.
01:29:33.000YouTube wasn't able to do that when it was Chad Hurley.
01:29:36.000But the downside then is Google's corporate censorship model took over.
01:29:42.000The fear would be if, you know, Rumble sold, which I don't think it will, though.
01:29:46.000Well, no one ever thinks it's gonna happen.
01:29:53.000And then they do, but I'm not too worried about this.
01:29:58.000I think ultimately, look, Rumble I think is fantastic, and I think them gaining more power in this space to help push back against the censorship and the big tech oligarchy, it's a good thing.
01:30:12.000I don't- I've talked to people about locals, and I'm like, I think it's fantastic that Dave was like, Patreon-censor-censorious and bad, so we need our own space, and he made it, and then other people used it.
01:30:21.000I just wish people like Michael Malice, for instance, decided to write a check for a grand to just make his own version of it, and not give away 10% of his revenue.
01:30:31.000This is what- this is what drives me insane, is that Tulsi Gabbard, Michael Malice, you know, who- uh, other people who are using locals, and- and again, no disrespect to locals, but just in terms of these people, You go online, you say WebDev, they'll say, we can make you this exact thing for a thousand bucks, we'll have it done in overnight.
01:30:53.000But I guess people have said they want the network, that it's like, you're on this platform, other people are on it.
01:30:59.000I just wish people were more freedom-oriented, I guess, and took the responsibility upon their shoulders and protected their assets and had more control.
01:31:08.000Maybe that's just me, maybe I'm too arrogant and I refuse to, like, give up, you know, And anything that I'm doing to anybody else for any reason.
01:31:18.000I had my subscription service for seven years.
01:31:23.000Decentralization is the idea that I think we should be promoting, but we could promote it by giving, by being examples of it rather than just following the herd and the flock.
01:31:34.000Guys, I'm just going to say one more time.
01:31:37.000If most of these services have a 10% fee, that means if you have 100 patrons and they're each giving you $10, you're getting $1,000 a month, you're giving $100 per month to that company.
01:31:50.000Now that can make sense if you're not expecting to have a large following.
01:31:54.000But let's say you have 1,000 people giving you money.
01:31:58.000Now you have, you know, $10 per person.
01:32:08.000A web dev can make you a simplified version of this.
01:32:11.000That's why I'm like, we need to make free and open source software that we can just give to people and they can get their domain.
01:32:18.00012 bucks, they can get some server space, 50 bucks, spend a one-time rate.
01:32:23.000If they've got, you know, uh, I guess the problem is people are like, how do I even get to the point where I have a thousand bucks unless I use someone else's infrastructure?
01:32:29.000And I'm like, save up, uh, save up money, do what you can, because then you hire a guy for a, for a, for a thousand bucks.
01:32:37.000And maybe you can even get it cheaper if you've got a friend or, or you can learn how to do it yourself.
01:32:48.000There's no perfect solution, which is why one hasn't been created yet, but know that if someone else has your data, they're gonna sell it.
01:32:56.000And they may not, but think like that.
01:32:58.000The amount of money that we would have given away, TimCast.com, if we went with any one of these platforms, We could have started six companies with the money we've saved.
01:33:11.000Easily that's what's crazy to me. I know the cost of bandwidth. I know the cost of development and I look and I'm
01:33:18.000just like How come we don't have someone going to these these
01:33:22.000individuals like Michael malice for instance?
01:33:25.000We're a huge fan of being like, hey Michael, here's a guy, pay him one time, he'll make the site for you, and you don't have to give anyone money ever again.
01:33:54.000I don't care their political ideology.
01:33:56.000I'm not, not necessarily because some people won't want to buy a server space and install a package, but we're going to make it so that instead of having to worry about the thousand bucks to hire the web dev, all that work's going to be done.
01:34:07.000And you're going to just click a link and it's going to say, drag and drop this into your, onto your, into your server file.
01:34:13.000And then boom, you have a subscription service website done.
01:34:17.000And here's all the other people using the service, and then you can pick who you want to see, you can whitelist and blacklist corporations, it's gonna be great.
01:34:25.000And that means the only costs you will have is the credit card exchange rate, which is like... And server costs, which can be insane.
01:34:32.000So that's a big part of this, is server costs.
01:34:35.000Figuring out how to mesh network servers, or use library, or have it local... It'll always be cheaper than what you'd give to a private company that's seeking to profit off of your subscriber base.
01:35:48.000And I'm like, why aren't we doing that?
01:35:50.000Well, we're doing that, quite literally, with the Tales from the Inverted World, with the vlog, with several other shows that we're working on, a pop culture show we're working on.
01:35:58.000And then I just look at the right and the moderates and the independents, and I'm like, they don't do this.
01:36:20.000But you know what, whatever, we'll do it.
01:36:22.000And then we'll see where everyone else ends up, and now we'll go to Super Chats, because, you know, rant over.
01:36:27.000But I do want to stress again, any alternative competition to Silicon Valley and their censorship is a good thing.
01:36:34.000If at the end of the day, the battle we have is, Locals is not going to ban you and Rumble won't ban you, hopefully that's enough to attract more people and displace the censorious nature of Silicon Valley.
01:36:44.000It's not, because Rumble can ban you at any time.
01:36:47.000I'm sure it says that in their Terms of Service.
01:37:14.000If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, and go to TimCast.com, become a member, because we're going to have a members-only segment coming up at around 11 or so p.m.
01:39:08.000I was accused, because the show premiered after Occupy Wall Street, I was accused of trying to use Occupy Wall Street fame to get to become an actor or something.
01:39:16.000And then I had someone wrote an article accusing me that saying that I moved to Los Angeles to become an actor, which is like the most absurd lie ever because I'm a skateboarder and I moved to LA because the skateboarding is good.
01:39:27.000And mostly just because it's California.
01:39:29.000You know you made it when there's people accusing you of being a crisis actor.
01:39:53.000Kyle Miller says, anyone want to bet that the media is going to cover the Rittenhouse case and Alec Baldwin longer than the fall of Afghanistan?
01:40:50.000There's interesting research that looks at fluctuations in prison violence in relation to when the AC is working and not.
01:41:00.000And when the AC goes out, there's more prison violence.
01:41:04.000So a lot of it just comes down to people are not happy when it's hot out.
01:41:09.000I mean, I do think a lot of last year's writing just came down to people had been stuck inside for three months and this was a socially approved way to go outside and act out all of their pent-up aggression.
01:41:24.000I'm sure there's less of that now, but they've had the catharsis once.
01:41:29.000Paul Thonkum says a prop gun is a fake gun with no firing pin and the trigger is just spring-loaded to act like a real gun.
01:41:37.000They keep saying a prop gun because they don't want you to realize that Alec Baldwin pointed a real gun with a real bullet at a woman and killed her.
01:41:44.000That he doesn't believe people should have to defend themselves.
01:42:12.000So we had Shane Cashman, who's writing for Tales from the Inverted World, and I have, I am so excited.
01:42:17.000So the first arc, I guess we're not really doing seasons or whatever, but the first season is basically a collection of stories, essays from him.
01:42:24.000Like, you know, he met a guy and there's a cold case and his experience as a kid.
01:42:27.000Cause we kind of wanted to like introduce him and like what his, his angle is.
01:42:51.000Yeah, just introducing, like, when you read history books about Sherman's march to the sea, I think, you know, based on what I was hearing, the people down there have a very, very gruesome telling of what it was like compared to the watered-down version of scorched earth.
01:43:39.000And if you think you can't defeat the incoming enemy, you can burn your frontier and all the cities and lands and retreat into your inner country.
01:43:46.000Kind of starve them, just like Russia did with Germany.
01:48:10.000Normies Get Out says, please don't forget that Black Rifle Coffee bent the knee and refused to stand with Kyle Rittenhouse when he was photographed wearing their t-shirt.
01:48:19.000I don't know the full details about it, but what I was told was don't believe the New York Times when they smear Black Rifle Coffee because the New York Times is fake news.
01:48:27.000I don't know the full details though, so I don't really know what to say.
01:48:33.000Caleb South says, my eight-year-old daughter was listening to the news with me, and when she heard about the Fauci puppy torture, she said, so he's Corona de Vil.
01:48:43.000If you haven't seen Freedom Tunes' newest short, it's only 18 seconds long, but I once again provided the voice of Dr. Fauci, and you should check it out on Freedom Tunes on YouTube, because it's really funny.
01:49:29.000Executive producer usually is just like, you're a financier or you're spearheading the project in terms of like, you have a bunch of money and you're like, hey, I want to do this.
01:49:39.000And then I'll come and check it later.
01:49:41.000Producers are substantially more active.
01:49:43.000So when I was working on documentaries and stuff like that in shorts, the executive producers were like, the executives at the company, who would screen it after it was done and say, yeah, it's pretty good, okay, we'll roll with it.
01:49:54.000And the producers were the ones who were on set all the time instructing the staff.
01:49:58.000The producers were in charge of the entire production when I was working, when I was producing, like, uh...
01:50:03.000Yeah, there were six producers underneath the four executive producers on that film.
01:50:06.000was just hosting, they would be telling me what to do.
01:50:08.000If I was producing and hosting, I'd be telling the camera person
01:50:11.000what to do, where to go, what to film.
01:50:13.000And so it, that's why I think Alec Baldwin was responsible.
01:50:17.000Executive producers typically aren't involved that much, if at all.
01:50:22.000So it's just, you know, people get executive producer credits
01:50:56.000Hollywood is full of a bunch of psychotic individuals who are saying, The responsibility isn't the person who's wielding a gun and pulling the trigger.
01:51:32.000This is what people need to understand.
01:51:34.000If you're holding something that looks like a gun, and you treat it like, it's no big deal, it's not loaded, and you raise it up and point it at someone, guess what?
01:51:43.000So maybe in Hollywood, they're like... I gotta tell you, I cannot imagine being on a Hollywood set where someone thinks they can draw a replica gun on someone else with no consequences.
01:52:01.000Have you seen the video of the guy in the shooting range?
01:52:03.000And he's with his friends, and then he has the gun, and he loads it, and then he points it at his friend, and the instructor just grabs his arm, puts him in a lock, and pins him down?
01:52:17.000This idea that you can wield a live firearm with no responsibility is fake news, and if you work in Hollywood and you believe that, don't be surprised when Alec Baldwin kills another person.
01:52:31.000Because if this guy goes on to work in Hollywood where he's like, no, no, no, everybody, it's fine, it was the armorer's fault, let's get a new armorer in the policy stands, No.
01:52:41.000I tell you this, they're gonna be like, oh, maybe we shouldn't do this.
01:52:44.000Maybe we shouldn't point weapons at each other, and maybe we should manually check.
01:53:01.000All right, Tony Gillard says Yu-Gi-Oh!
01:53:03.000tournaments after a year or a year or so of being canceled are finally coming back, and of course there's vaccine mandates and mask mandates.
01:53:11.000Well, you can always not play Yu-Gi-Oh!
01:53:56.000But they eventually made rules and changed them and then like, made a real game.
01:54:00.000All right, Wrath of Paul says, Project Veritas has a video of a New Jersey governor consultant saying he will implement vaccine mandates after he wins the election.
01:56:13.000But it's good to have these conversations, and I'm not seeing this as a combative thing.
01:56:17.000I'm seeing this more of an exchange of ideas.
01:56:19.000And I've been dying to talk about the deindustrialization with the rise of globalization and the rigged war on drugs being responsible for the rise of crime in the 1970s.
01:57:28.000They've done the work and they're cutting a profit.
01:57:30.000I just think that if we can create a simple program for free, and then you take on the personal responsibility of maintaining your subscriber data, it can never be sold to outside corporations.
01:57:43.000People's privacy will always be protected from Google or any other company that might want to buy or infiltrate or, you know, whatever.
01:58:23.000That's the challenge is someone can pay $10 a month and then watch one video a thousand times and cause a thousand times the cost to your server.
01:58:33.000So you could build something in where like you get to watch it once for a subscription.
01:58:50.000So if someone pays 10 bucks and they get one video per, you know, Monday through Thursday, and then we add Friday, which we did, and now we're going to add Sunday nights, that means we're spending more money, but we're getting the same amount from the individual because we're increasing the value, you know, percentage for the user.
01:59:08.000But it's also why you'll see Netflix or Hulu be like, we're raising the cost because we have too much content and people are watching way more.
01:59:14.000And so now we can't afford to cover the cost of bandwidth.
01:59:16.000But either way, I think that's less relevant to the fact that 10% of the amount of money
01:59:22.000you make as a creator is way too much.
02:02:55.000Someone can say I don't want to see him and block me from their website, but can never ban me, can never take away my revenue, my subscribers.
02:03:19.000We gotta build a big building, and the problem is steel costs are through the roof, so it is very expensive, and we're having a hard time, because these companies are just... I call a company, I'm like, hey, I need a steel building, and they're like, okay, we'll call you back, and I'm like, and then they call me back, and they waste my time, and they ask me a bunch of questions, I'm like, guy, I need, you know, we're looking at like 75 by like 100 or something.
02:03:42.000And I'm like, we got a lot of work to do before winter.
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02:05:12.000One of your commenters is saying that I am trash or a trash can emoji, but on the other hand, another of your commenters said that I look like a 60s G.I.
02:05:19.000Joe action figure, and that was awesome, so I'm considering this yet.