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00:05:23.000First Texas bus drops off illegal immigrants in Washington, D.C.
00:05:28.000The convoy is part of Texas Governor Greg Abbott's push to secure the southern border and stem the flow of illegal immigration from Central America.
00:05:36.000So basically what happens is Joe Biden's administration starts sending illegal immigrants to communities in Texas.
00:05:43.000People get really upset by this for obvious reasons.
00:05:45.000He's been doing it all over the country, even in the dead of night.
00:05:48.000The governor of Texas said, okay, I'll tell you what, you want to do that here?
00:06:47.000So I wonder if that'll end up being an endless supply of people, or will they run out of, because it can't just be a one-off.
00:06:55.000Because it is, you know, Jen Psaki, if this is just a one-off publicity stunt, you get headlines, but if there's a steady stream of them being dropped off in Delaware and in Washington, D.C., and you can keep that drumbeat going, and people start experiencing what, you know, has happened to These states that are on the Mexican border.
00:07:18.000If you can start really feeling that experience in DC and in Delaware and other places, Biden and these guys are going to have to react.
00:07:26.000Our immigration deal just is the most bizarre.
00:07:29.000It's not the most bizarre because we have so many bizarre things going on, but it's in the top 10.
00:07:53.000Joe Biden is sending these people by force on buses to Texas.
00:07:59.000Greg Abbott is asking them if they want to get on a bus to go to D.C.
00:08:03.000So, is not what Joe Biden doing xenophobic?
00:08:06.000This is the game we've been talking about a lot, but it just happens, the double standard.
00:08:10.000It's an endless conversation every day about the double standard between what the administration, the Democrats, the establishment are allowed to do, always defended, and anybody who counters in any way is accused of all of the worst far-right whatever.
00:08:23.000I think they would perhaps prefer to be in D.C.
00:09:49.000But I don't think that's what the Democrats and the people leading our immigration policy I don't think those are the values they want them to have.
00:10:01.000You know, they use these phobia words to make you sound unreasonable.
00:10:05.000And if you're just saying, look, personally, I'm not scared of people from Central, South America, or you even have people from Africa coming in.
00:10:14.000I'm not scared of any of these people.
00:10:16.000In fact, I know some people, and they're good people, I hear.
00:10:19.000You know, Trump said some of them are good people, right?
00:10:21.000No, the reality is they want what a lot of people want, opportunity in America.
00:10:25.000In fact, I have more respect for them and their desires than I do for many of these woke people in this country.
00:10:29.000If there's one thing I am worried about is the woke people.
00:10:33.000But the issue of xenophobia, that's a ridiculous term.
00:10:36.000It's meant to obfuscate the real conversation.
00:10:38.000The real conversation is there are economic limits to what you can do with people just coming across whenever they want.
00:10:46.000You end up strangling the labor market.
00:10:54.000And then, as you pointed out, there are a lot of people here who want to be here.
00:10:57.000And again, I do respect that desire to be in America because I know how much this country rocks.
00:11:02.000But if they don't understand our Constitution, if they don't understand our values, then it dilutes our values and the things that made this country great.
00:11:10.000So if there's somebody who says, guys, here's the recipe for a great cake, and then you say, we're gonna let 10 more bakers in who don't know how to bake it, but they're gonna be involved, well then things are gonna get a little wishy-washy.
00:11:21.000That's why my attitude is always like, let everybody come.
00:11:24.000Everybody can come, but they gotta wait in line like normal and go through a standard process.
00:11:28.000That way we can make sure The recipe doesn't get disrupted, but we can have more cooks in the kitchen just as long as everybody's following the rules and we all agree on how it's supposed to go.
00:11:38.000It's actually, it's, I would consider it to be more compassionate so that you can make sure people can thrive and that you're not just throwing them into the middle of a desert where these kids are dying of dehydration.
00:11:49.000I think you're talking about just being responsible.
00:11:52.000And it's no different than who you would allow into your home.
00:11:55.000Particularly if you've got kids, wife, husband, whatever.
00:12:00.000You want to be a responsible homeowner.
00:12:02.000And so you just don't let any and everybody into your home.
00:12:59.000You gotta respect the working class people.
00:13:02.000It's that whole concept of like the luxury belief where you can have these beliefs because you're not really incurring the cost directly, you're sort of exporting those costs to those around you who are taking the brunt of the policies you advocate for.
00:13:16.000Like the people who are most likely to say something like, you know, abolish the police, There tend to be, like, upper-class white people who have probably live in gated communities.
00:13:25.000These aren't the people who are dealing in these cities, these areas where there's high crime.
00:13:31.000So it's really easy for someone like that to say, you know, these platitudes that really sound good.
00:13:35.000They sort of give them this credit to the people around them because, again, they're not incurring these costs.
00:13:41.000The guy named Rob Henderson, he coined that term.
00:13:43.000I want to add, too, just back to the conversation about the buses.
00:13:48.000Bringing illegal immigrants into these areas just does exactly what Democrats were hoping was going to happen anyway.
00:13:54.000That you're going to increase the population of a district, which results in the census resulting in a larger population after the census, and then they'll get more congressional seats, more electoral seats.
00:14:09.000Sending people to Delaware just gives Delaware more congressional power and more electoral votes.
00:14:15.000So the real issue is, you know, people should be welcome to this country with open arms through a legal process that makes sure they thrive, and so do we.
00:14:23.000But I think the main issue is people on the left, they're not having kids.
00:14:28.000So they need to find ways that in the next 20 years, they will still have voting power.
00:14:33.000And that's by bringing in new people who have a tendency to vote for democratic policies and democratic politicians.
00:14:38.000Conservatives have kids, liberals don't.
00:14:40.000So liberals need to go to the schools to get your kids in line with their views, so they can get conservative kids on their side, or they need to bring people in who will side with them.
00:14:49.000Reminds me of a Netflix documentary that I watch called Wild Wild Country.
00:14:54.000It's about Portland, or an area in Oregon, not Portland, but an area in Oregon that was taken over by this Indian Hindu, like, Nosha?
00:15:08.000He was basically a sex guru or whatever and they started literally to gain voting power and to take over this section of Oregon.
00:15:17.000They started recruiting, this happened in the 70s, this is like a real life story, they started busing in people from Los Angeles, homeless people.
00:15:25.000into this area so they could change the voting demographics in Oregon so they could take over more.
00:15:31.000And it ended up the homeless people were on drugs and many of them violent,
00:15:36.000and they actually turned on the people that brought them there
00:15:39.000because their needs weren't getting met.
00:15:42.000It's one of the best, greatest documentaries I've ever seen,
00:15:46.000because it happened in the 70s and explains everything that's going on today.
00:15:49.000It takes time, and they're willing to invest the time.
00:15:53.000So if someone who is eight years old today gets indoctrinated in a school,
00:16:32.000You know, they don't understand necessarily why the schools do what they do when they go after kids.
00:16:37.000A lot of what the left is doing seems desperate to me and it makes me think that they think they only have a limited amount of time to execute their plan before the whole thing collapses in on them.
00:16:50.000Yeah, I was thinking how much of it is desperation, how much of it is instinct-like.
00:16:53.000It seems like humans have an instinct to parent.
00:17:11.000It's very much like what we've seen now.
00:17:13.000And I wonder if it's just like they really want to help, but they're so twisted that they're trying to help by, you know, infusing these specific ideals.
00:17:23.000Or if they actually want to hurt people.
00:17:25.000I'm not getting the vibe that they want to hurt people.
00:17:27.000It just seems more like a communist... They want power.
00:17:31.000It's like taking hold of these people or something.
00:17:33.000I don't know if communist is the right word.
00:17:35.000They want power, and they're not afraid to... They're not afraid to inflict collateral damage on people to get it.
00:17:42.000I think that's true of anyone, you know, but I think there's a tendency, what we see with the establishment, the Democratic Party, and even the uniparty Republican types.
00:17:50.000What's happened is there's been a populist uprising, also on the left.
00:17:53.000I think a lot of the Bernie people, many of them moved over, 9 million Obama voters moved over to vote for Trump.
00:18:40.000And, and again, did you probably watch the, or saw a little bit of like Game of Thrones?
00:18:45.000And Game of Thrones is just a story, when it was good, the first four or five seasons, about what human beings will do for power in anything.
00:18:55.000And that, and particularly if you don't have some kind of religious belief, some kind of faith in a higher power, and you think you're capable of being the ultimate decider, It puts you in a very bad... you'll do very bad things for power because you have so much belief in your ability to control things and do what's best for other people.
00:19:18.000And I just don't have that kind of arrogance because I believe I'm just a very tiny insignificant part of this thing that God put together.
00:19:27.000And, you know, I don't want that kind of power.
00:19:31.000I literally want to stick to the principles taught in the Bible and, you know, hope for the best and hope that I'm right.
00:19:40.000And I just see the left is so secular.
00:20:38.000And I'm like, wow, did Jesus do Reiki?
00:20:40.000And then you see that Jesus like went off maybe to India for some period in his early life and and studied like Hinduism and Reiki and came back as like a healer.
00:21:03.000Ian has a bunch of ideas about spirituality that I think need to be answered, and it creates something interesting.
00:21:09.000I certainly think Ian sees or feels something that needs to be answered or defined, and maybe in the more rigid structures, people have thought about these things.
00:21:20.000I also want to add, the suspense is killing me because I'm like, what's going on?
00:21:28.000I'll say briefly, you know, as a card-carrying atheist myself, a major problem is we have, you know, it's not religion per se that's the problem.
00:21:37.000I think it's like the dogma that tends to go hand-in-hand with it.
00:21:40.000And a lot of people on the left, a lot of these woke people, they've convinced themselves that they're not religious and that they also have no dogma.
00:28:17.000And I'm going to tell you why I'm going to do this.
00:34:54.000And that's why I'm so proud of the fact that we're here today.
00:34:58.000I'm so proud of the fact that we're so proud of you.
00:35:02.000I'm so proud of the fact that you're here, and I'm so proud of you.
00:35:06.000So, I'm gonna go first, and I'm gonna go to the mic.
00:35:10.000I'm gonna go first, and I'm gonna go to the mic.
00:36:05.000I think he's relevant for, one, having the biggest podcast in the world, but I think he speaks to a lot of people who are in the middle and confused or don't necessarily know how they're going to vote come 2022 and 2024.
00:36:17.000But I think if these people, the moderates, independents, former left people, see Michelle Obama, I think a lot of them will be convinced to vote Democrat again.
00:37:02.000The only thing I think that could really harm Michelle Obama, if she were to run, is I think
00:37:05.000that she really has ideologically, she always has been very radical and I think that she
00:37:09.000will re-embrace wokeness because she too is in that bubble.
00:37:13.000Ironically, the thing that we complain the most about is probably the thing that may
00:37:16.000save the republic and that is the media bias.
00:37:18.000The media bias is so strong that Democrats do not understand that there's an entire world outside of the beltway that just thinks they're crazy.
00:37:25.000And so the reason that you see the White House saying things like, well, you know, it's very important that we use the DOJ to crack down on people stopping little girls from being turned into little boys, the reason they say that is because the New York Times agrees with them, and the Washington Post agrees with them, and everybody they know agrees with them.
00:37:37.000The other thing about Michelle Obama is that she's attractive to people, I guess.
00:37:41.000Not to me, but to people as, like, an idea.
00:37:44.000But if she's running for office, then she's actually going to have to be out there talking.
00:37:48.000When you listen to her talk, kind of to your point about how radical she is, but also she's just really kind of a vile human being.
00:37:54.000I'll never forget this story she told on a podcast somewhere about when she experienced Racism, like she was still harboring this resentment because she went to get ice cream and a white woman didn't notice her and cut in front of her.
00:38:08.000And she told this whole story about how she was a victim of racism as the first lady of the United States because a white woman was getting ice cream before her.
00:38:15.000Well, there's that story that she told about how she went to the grocery store and she was tall, so somebody asked her to take something down from the top shelf.
00:38:42.000Well, the poll about the parental rights and education bill in Florida has overwhelming support from Democrat voters who were polled at the very least, yet they double down on this stuff.
00:38:51.000It's like you were saying, the media bias is palpable.
00:38:54.000I don't know if you guys saw CNN Plus only has 10,000 daily active users.
00:39:32.000You know, I will tell you guys something interesting, though, because Matt and I were talking about this the other day when I asked you, why is it the Daily Wire has 600,000 plus subscribers?
00:39:39.000CNN can't even get 10,000 daily users.
00:39:41.000You mentioned Mission, I think is what you said, right?
00:39:44.000When I worked for- Well, I said the reason is me, and then- The number two reason.
00:39:51.000You know, when I was working for these big corporate media outlets, I was at a company called Fusion, which is ABC News and Univision.
00:39:59.000They said mission-driven storytelling.
00:40:01.000That was their line as to what their goals were.
00:40:04.000It's almost like they were either predicting or wanting politics to be the main driver of what was going to bring people to different media outlets.
00:40:11.000The only issue is I felt like their narratives were built on lies and manipulation.
00:40:16.000We have to withhold information from people, trick them, feed them only the information we want, whereas I feel like with what you guys do, with what we do, it's here's everything, let's argue about it.
00:40:27.000That's what I love about this show that we get to do once a month, is that we quite often disagree.
00:40:32.000And those disagreements, I think, are central to what makes The Daily Wire work.
00:40:35.000I think at the core of The Daily Wire's success is our fundamental religious difference.
00:40:41.000We talked about it today, in fact, that our fundamental religious disagreement Means that central to our friendship is the idea that there's not ubiquity in, or that there's not... Unanimity.
00:40:52.000And that's, it's not that we don't have a strong perspective as a company, it's not that we don't have a strong, that we don't have a side in the fight, but it's that we are actually engaged in the exchange of ideas and trying to always learn more and know more and be better.
00:41:05.000Tim, thank you for, well, for coming on Uninvited.
00:41:08.000Please feel free to invite yourself on the show.
00:41:47.000Out here you may have had a technical glitch there in the earlier show, earlier part of the show.
00:41:52.000They were talking about Trump-DeSantis and who was going to run.
00:41:56.000And then they kind of parlayed the conversation into the Democrats and who they thought was going to run for the Democrats.
00:42:00.000I thought that Ben Shapiro made a very interesting point about populism when he mentioned Michelle Obama and running a populist candidate.
00:42:09.000I'm interested to see what you guys think about that.
00:42:12.000The Michelle Obama question, that part of the discussion is what fascinated me because I do think she would probably be the best candidate for the Democrats.
00:42:24.000I do think again corporate media is obsessed with oh so-and-so's making history because they're the first black woman this just like we just saw with Kadenji Brown-Jackson and so People love, they're fascinated by participating or witnessing history.
00:42:45.000And again, it's like when Barack Obama first ran in 2008, I think a lot of people voted because this is a history-making deal and I want to be on the record and I voted for Barack Obama and it's proof that I'm not racist.
00:42:55.000It's got the history building and they've spent a lot of years curating Michelle Obama's image.
00:43:01.000And having the last name Obama is just gonna be huge in the realm of politics.
00:43:05.000So yeah, she is the nuclear option for sure.
00:43:09.000We had parlayed what you guys were talking about with populism, and I liked how Ben brought up Michelle Obama.
00:43:14.000I think we may have had an audio technical glitch in the first part, and then it seemed to smooth out.
00:43:18.000Yeah, you guys got it the first time, you know, and it's all about it.
00:43:20.000When you have a new piece of technology, a new cool idea, you try it, and if it fails, you try it again, and you do it, and then you get it right.
00:43:50.000And we were just basically carrying the conversation forward from where you guys were talking about, you know, who do you think the Democrats who do you think the Democrats are going to run?
00:43:56.000Because I cannot imagine it would be Joe Biden at this point.
00:43:59.000I will say with, uh, you know, I'm sitting there and I know I'm in for the last few minutes of The Daily Wire's show, but I don't want to just keep talking over everybody, but I also kind of felt like, well, I should talk because I'm only here for a few minutes.
00:45:52.000But if I have to choose between the two, Trump is objectively better.
00:45:56.000I think this is going to be an election where there's a lot of people, and I put myself in that camp, sort of those disaffected, left of center, people who are still consider themselves liberals in many sense.
00:46:10.000During the last election, I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of the parties.
00:46:20.000But if this next election doesn't have Trump in it, I mean, it's just, there's so many people, I think, that are in my boat who, there's no reason not to vote for a Republican anymore.
00:46:30.000DeSantis has all the best parts of Trump, where he's, you know, he's bold, he's anti-woke, he's gonna go after people, he's not gonna take crap from anybody.
00:46:38.000But he doesn't have, like, that narcissistic insanity, what's he gonna do next?
00:46:43.000Is he just gonna, you know, start pushing the nuke button or something?
00:46:46.000And I think that's actually a powerful thing.
00:46:47.000I think this is the first election in a while where those disaffected liberals are actually free to vote their mind in a way they hadn't been previously.
00:46:57.000Let's talk about these stories that we pulled up.
00:47:06.000ESPN star Jason Whitlock blasts Disney for feminizing sports.
00:47:12.000I, yes, and I think this is gonna, this is gonna be a, uh, this will play a role in the upcoming elections in that you've got what's happening with the NCAA swimming with, uh, with Leah Thomas.
00:47:25.000And I know I've been critical of people who refuse to speak up, saying, if you're not speaking up publicly, how can I defend you?
00:47:31.000Because people will just say, nobody's mad about this, what are you complaining about, if you can't stand up for yourself?
00:47:36.000But I will say, at the very least, these people will be secret Trump voters.
00:47:40.000Like we saw in 2016 and 2020, a large percentage of people who would not admit it, but once they get into the polling booth, they look around, look over their shoulders, and then hit Trump a million times.
00:47:50.000The history of voting, it's secret for a reason, because that's a natural part of people's minds.
00:47:54.000When they see crap out there, they don't want to have to stand up and say it, but they're going to vote the way they feel.
00:48:06.000So Jason, let's talk about your take on the feminization of sports.
00:48:10.000Well, I think a lot of people it kind of went over their heads in 1996 when Disney acquired ABC and ESPN and and that once you start Once you're taken over by Disney, Disney's going to promote its values.
00:48:32.000There's no greater cultural force than perhaps Disney across the entire globe.
00:48:40.000So I think Disney came in with an agenda.
00:48:43.000I think in 1994, Disney tried to acquire NBC.
00:48:49.000NBC at that time had the NBA broadcast.
00:48:52.000Disney has wanted to get in the sports lane.
00:48:55.000They got into the sports lane with ESPN because they understand anybody in the entertainment field, entertainment industry understands that live sports is the most valuable asset for attracting a massive audience and being able to preach your values to a massive audience.
00:49:12.000Particularly in this now DVR watch stuff when you want to era that we're in live sports is the only thing where people sit down and watch it as it happens live and so they wanted ESPN they wanted in the sports world and they wanted to apply their values their culture to the sports world and that's what has happened and I think Disney Based on their attack on young kids and the sexuality and the gender thing, Disney believes in the matriarchy.
00:49:44.000Disney believes in the uprooting of the patriarchy.
00:49:49.000And they've applied all those values to ESPN, which is the worldwide leader in sports.
00:49:54.000And that's why if you just look at sports over the last 25, 30 years since Disney has owned ESPN, sports have just become softer and more feminized.
00:50:05.000I actually, I spoke about this in 2018.
00:50:09.000When we were seeing culture, you know, video games, movies, seeing all the woke influx, I said, it's gonna be real crazy when the NFL, the NBA, and major league sports start being forced to adopt these things.
00:50:42.000Well, he brought politics into the game.
00:50:44.000I understand why people might be mad about that.
00:50:46.000Well, the politics there starts spreading to everyone kneeling, and now you got a guy, Jonathan Isaac, being like, I just don't want to kneel, I don't mind if you do.
00:50:53.000And they're mad at him because he won't bend the knee.
00:50:56.000You see, I think, I think... And just keep in mind, everybody on ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports, is criticizing Jonathan Isaac.
00:51:07.000And Lord behold, Drew Brees, the quarterback for the Saints, makes a comment basically defending the national anthem.
00:51:15.000And he gets assassinated, his character does, by everybody on ESPN like he's some racist pig because the national anthem means something to him, means something to people in his family that were in the service.
00:51:27.000And so these athletes are being bullied into kneeling and adopting these values.
00:51:33.000We're actually, this Sunday, we've got a special episode.
00:51:36.000We did a podcast with Ben Shapiro and Jonathan Isaac separately.
00:51:42.000But, you know, he was saying that he doesn't think these people believe in the message.
00:51:47.000That the players are just kind of, you know, they're told they have to do it and they're like, okay, whatever, I guess.
00:51:52.000And, you know, many of them probably outright just don't like these values.
00:51:57.000I think the reality is a lot of people are Christians.
00:51:59.000I think a lot of people like families.
00:52:02.000What worries me is, why aren't there more people like Isaac who are going to just very calmly and passionately say, look, I believe in my country.
00:52:37.000Lowest tier player is probably making $800,000, $900,000.
00:52:41.000But let's take the big money people out of it.
00:52:45.000Just talking to Colin before the show, working in academia, and I talked about this today, about just corporate America in general.
00:52:54.000If you want to move up in leadership at any major corporation, if you don't adopt the values of diversity, inclusion, and equity, if you don't hop on board with all the LGBT stuff, if you don't swallow it, you can't move up.
00:53:15.000It's the same principles that you see.
00:53:18.000The pressure in the sports world is even more intense.
00:53:21.000These guys have guaranteed contracts and have made generational wealth.
00:53:26.000What if you're just a guy that works at Name the company, Disney or anywhere, that doesn't want to hop on board with these values, you get run out, you can't move up.
00:53:37.000It's the same dynamic that's taking place in sports, in academia, I mean it's like this spiral of silence they go into where everyone else is doing this one signal and if you have areas that tend to be politically skewed in a certain direction like academia, A signal that might have started out with like, you know, oh I'm just putting my pronoun in my email signature or in my social media bio.
00:53:59.000These soon, rather than just being a signal of like, oh I'm just inclusive, it then becomes the people who don't have these little things in their bios and their email signatures, that becomes a tell because once it gets so popular, Then the person who doesn't do it is the one that stands out, and now all of a sudden people can question them and, you know, what are you doing?
00:54:21.000Like, with the, I guess you would call it the emergence or the mainstreamism of the transgender movement, or I don't even know if you'd call it a movement, but just this whole... Like, what's it like in the science community when you're discussing biology?
00:54:33.000And if you've got a story, what were you going to say?
00:54:36.000kind of pull back a little bit what you were saying and merge these kind of these conversations you know we're talking about the feminization of sports we've got someone you're a biologist yeah well so let's let's talk about what's happening with you know you can define a woman he's about well exactly exactly so you know i yeah i think we'll get to that in a second but let's let's kind of merge that as a biologist witnessing what's happening in sports with the ncaa and all that stuff what's what's your take and what what do you have to say for you know what's happening like what's your view on it Yeah, I mean it's the same dynamic, and it just requires people to feel like they're comfortable enough by seeing other people who are speaking up and not getting cancelled to have them speak up.
00:55:14.000I mean, when I was in academia, there was no one talking about the stuff I was talking about.
00:55:18.000I was one of the first people to be like, Actually, there are only two sexes.
00:55:24.000And, I mean, that was, all the arrows hit me at once.
00:55:28.000And that's a signal to everyone to, you know, who thinks the same way I do, that they're not going to say anything because they see what, they saw what happens when the one vocal person comes up.
00:55:36.000And so it's that chilling effect, and I think that's playing out in sports, is that chilling effect when someone gets hammered in the media for their reasonable opinion that just sends a signal to everyone else like oh this is a third rail i'm not gonna i'm not even gonna go there what what is this right we all of a sudden we have academia terrified we have one of the most lucrative and high-paying industries major major sports and they are terrified of this ideology
00:56:07.000Well, because they know they can get cancelled.
00:56:10.000They know that they can get run out of their jobs and have to go independent the way that Colin has.
00:56:17.000I do want to, and I don't want to speak for Tim, but I do think what Tim was asking you, quite honestly, was like, We had a man, Leah Thomas, William Thomas, swimming against women in the Ivy League.
00:56:41.000I mean, so the thing that's underpinning all of it is this, like, this gender ideology that is saying that what a man or a woman or a boy and a girl is has nothing to do with your biology or your reproductive organs or anything.
00:56:54.000It has everything to do with just your internal sense of who you are or your identification with social roles and stereotypes of, like, masculinity or femininity.
00:57:03.000That's literally what they think is a man or a woman, which really goes against what we've been hearing feminists say for so long, that You know, a woman can behave any way they want to and still be a woman.
00:57:19.000But you're fundamentally defined as a man or woman by your reproductive anatomy.
00:57:24.000Somehow this ideology has just taken root.
00:57:27.000I think a lot of it's because you see these big organizations like the ACLU, like the Human Rights Campaign, They had all this funding, billions of dollars, going into something like getting gay marriage passed, which I personally think is a good thing to get passed.
00:57:41.000But once they get that big victory, what do they do next?
00:57:45.000They're set up in a situation where they need to find something else to put all this money into.
00:57:59.000And if you look at where the funding went in these organizations, it used to be all going into gay marriage, and then, what was it, 2014 or 15 when it became federally legal?
00:58:09.000Yeah, then you see the narrative switch to trans everything, and it's this gender ideology, and it's this built-in apparatus with billions of dollars behind it that is just shunting this money into 0.5% of the population, and we have no response to it.
00:58:24.000We haven't built up The organization's to respond to this thing now that isn't the next I used to work around I used to work in nonprofits.
00:58:31.000I did fundraising and This was one of the things I witnessed a good nonprofit should put itself out of business Yeah, if you say hey, we got it.
00:58:40.000We got an issue with there's not enough panda bears Well, you know maybe in 20-30 years all of a sudden panda bears are no longer endangered anymore What does the nonprofit do?
00:58:50.000Waves goodbye to everybody and says, mission accomplished.
00:59:21.000And the one thing I didn't understand, and I started looking at... I think... What's the... Lydia, do you know the guy, the Greenpeace guy's name?
00:59:29.000Doctor... Is it... It's not... I think it's Patrick Moore, right?
01:00:13.000In my personal opinion, because nuclear is a scary word.
01:00:17.000It allows them to keep the company going and make money.
01:00:20.000And there's reasons why people like Patrick Moore leave, because they're like, you're off mission.
01:00:24.000This is not what we're supposed to be doing.
01:00:26.000These non-profits, I agree, I think it's a really important point that often doesn't get brought up.
01:00:31.000I remember, I was working for a non-profit that did fundraising, and one of the organizations they were fundraising on behalf of was the Human Rights Campaign, the HRC.
01:00:40.000Apparently, and I could be getting this wrong, I was not high up or anything, but there was a conversation where there were a few organizations that were rejecting some bill because it granted certain rights to LGB people, but not T people.
01:00:55.000And so the human rights campaign was like, we're going to go for this because it's a win.
01:00:58.000These other organizations were like, no, you know, you shouldn't.
01:01:01.000So there was a point where they were willing to outright be like, we will advocate for laws that
01:01:06.000do not protect this group of people. I wonder now if it's just part of the process that once you get
01:01:12.000certain laws passed, now you can move on to your next mission and make sure the money keeps flowing.
01:02:16.000Because there's such a short supply of racism we've had to expand what is racism and so now if in the heat of a sports battle if you call someone an MF and they happen to be black and you happen to be white That reeks of racism.
01:02:32.000I want to, if I can, and I think I can do this on this show, not because I think you guys are going to agree with me, but I just want to say it because Colin said something interesting, and Tim, you push me back in line if I'm taking the conversation somewhere you don't want it to go, but Tim said, or Colin said that you agreed with same-sex marriage and thought it was a good thing.
01:02:54.000I have to sit here and say, I disagree with that, and not because I have a problem with the LGBT crowd, the gay crowd, or whatever.
01:03:03.000I think we've moved in the society where we think everything is for everybody.
01:03:09.000And I don't think everything is for everybody.
01:03:13.000Tim's genes they're not for me so I should not try to squeeze into them and I don't think there was a long period in my life where I was very irresponsible in my dating and sexual life and I was never in the right mindset to be married.
01:03:34.000I had no control and so I think we've moved to where we just we want to make everything for everybody and so I think my sexual promiscuity, no different than same-sex attraction, it makes me not an ideal candidate for marriage.
01:03:54.000I agree with the majority of the sentiment, that not everything is for everybody, and absolutely.
01:03:58.000It seems like, you know, it's like the sarcasta ball in South Park, where they make all the kids wear the goofy things and the football becomes a balloon.
01:04:05.000When you try to make everything equal, then, you know, what do you do?
01:04:43.000Should be equal to all, and we should have... This is my view, it's the more liberal view I suppose, but I think that if you're a part of society, you're paying taxes, and we're all funding this machine, then you should be able to accommodate someone, and not arbitrarily be like, I don't like the way you look, so get out!
01:04:59.000But within reason, you can still do that anyway.
01:05:03.000You can give someone no reason and say, oh, you said a naughty word, and so I have the right to refuse service to anybody.
01:05:08.000It becomes increasingly impossible to actually maintain control of people's views and opinions.
01:05:14.000But anyway, just to the point of gay marriage.
01:05:18.000The question I had when Prop 8 was happening, I think it was in California, was, isn't marriage specifically an Abrahamic institution, which is rooted in going to the church and saying vows before God?
01:05:31.000If that's the case, Then I don't believe it is appropriate for the state to mandate what the church does.
01:05:37.000However, if the state recognizes marriage as some legal contract with legal ramifications, those must be granted to anybody.
01:05:47.000Now, there are certainly questions about what the writers brought up, polygamy and things like that.
01:05:51.000And I'm like, well, there was polygamy a long time ago.
01:05:54.000We're just talking about cultural shifts and cultural changes.
01:05:57.000But if there are two people who love each other, And this is the current standard we're in.
01:06:01.000I think, you know, LGBTQIA+, they should be able to get married and live together and they should have all of the tax rights and legal rights.
01:06:09.000I don't want to hear another story about, you know, two men who love each other and one guy gets sick and his husband isn't allowed to go in and see him as he's dying.
01:06:55.000When they start saying they want mandatory education on very specific things, where some of these books have been particularly graphic, that's when I'm like, yo, We are not talking about civil rights for an individual.
01:07:06.000We are not talking about me saying, I want to make sure that the people I know and care about are able to be there for their loved ones.
01:07:11.000We're talking about going to kids and explaining in detail, five to nine year olds, serious adult things that it should not be up to them.
01:08:08.000But I'm interested how you guys... And I hope that... I think that's maybe the conversation people in society should have when discussing who should be able to do what when it pertains to marriage and what it actually means.
01:08:18.000And people sometimes will say like, well, civil union then.
01:08:21.000You get all the digital rights without calling it marriage.
01:08:25.000But then they're like, no, I want to label it the same.
01:08:28.000Then you start getting into identity politics.
01:08:29.000I think what Jason was saying earlier and what you were getting at was the sort of slippery slope you get into where like you have a movement like the LGBTQ plus IA2 whatever and the reason that number that those letters keep expanding is because they've defined themselves by we're the most inclusive group ever.
01:08:48.000We're gonna just accept anyone who's atypical, any axis you can imagine.
01:08:55.000And that leads to them not being able to just really push out the fringes of the people that really shouldn't be part
01:09:42.000This is a... What's fascinating, I don't think this story is inherently newsworthy, but it is interesting that people are starting to push back and just begin to assert that women exist or that women are adult human females.
01:09:58.000The reason I find this story interesting enough to elaborate on is that it's a jeweler doing it.
01:10:03.000And why is a jeweler making an anti-woke ad?
01:10:06.000Well, jewelry, there's a very traditional gender norm in the purchase and delivery, gifting of jewelry.
01:10:15.000It is very often, typically, a male will buy shiny rocks to present to a female as an effort to woo said female.
01:10:24.000And then he's like, hold this for me, because I don't want to carry it around.
01:10:27.000Well, I do think it's fascinating when you break it down to its root.
01:10:30.000It's like, you know, I'm going to reference Chicken City.
01:10:34.000When you watch the rooster do the dance around the hens, he like pulls out one wing and then shuffles around them.
01:10:40.000Yeah, he's trying to tell the girl like, look at me, I'm hot stuff.
01:10:43.000Males in our society buy shiny rocks and present those shiny rocks to women like, look at me, look what I got.
01:11:03.000So I guess to break it down, what we're going to see is industry dependent upon gender roles are going to start becoming resistant and pushing back because they want to exist.
01:11:14.000Much like you mentioned in a previous segment, nonprofits have to keep moving forward with new groups to fight for.
01:11:22.000Industries that rely like let's let's talk about you know honeymoon escapes where they're they have rooms Designed for a male and a female specifically.
01:11:30.000I mean they're gonna be like, what do we do in this new environment?
01:11:33.000Well, I think eventually you're gonna see companies just come out and be like no No, we oppose this because they don't want to cease to function I will admit, I think everyone loves gems.
01:11:42.000I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I think maybe it comes from that men hunted, and if they had a ring on their finger and they got caught on a branch, it would rip their finger off.
01:11:50.000So they wanted as little encumbrance as possible, so they would store the gems with the wife.
01:11:55.000I don't know if that's really the history of why the woman had them and the man didn't.
01:14:30.000But it's interesting that the left position would be like, it's good they're doing this ad because of diversity, but are they advertising to a group of people that don't actually want their product, or there just aren't that many, there's not that many people to buy the product when you're trying to relate to them.
01:14:44.000So, in the instance of marketing Cadillacs to black women, I'm wondering if a culture exists that has black women saying they want this vehicle, so when they see a commercial they feel represented by it, or would they just be like, I don't want that car.
01:14:58.000Well, I wonder if they're seeing their representation as, you know, an interracial gay couple.
01:15:03.000That might not be who they're actually targeting.
01:15:04.000That might be who they're portraying in the commercial, but they might just be targeting the people who would just care about that sort of identitarian thing generally.
01:15:22.000Because, I mean, look, you're saying, here's a product for you, and the you is someone that is not part of that demographic.
01:15:30.000So if a commercial said, you know, our app is for everyone, male, female, LGBTQ, it didn't say that.
01:15:36.000It just said, find love, and it showed, you know, an interracial gay couple.
01:15:39.000And so, I wonder if these companies will wokify their marketing to the point where Regular people will not feel represented by it.
01:15:48.000So, in the point of the interracial couples in commercials, me personally, well, I don't care, because I come from a family like that, so I'm kind of like, yeah, whatever.
01:15:56.000But, if you're selling Kelloggs, they used to have commercials where it'd be a black family and they're giving the cereal to the children, or it'd be a white family.
01:16:03.000Now it's mixed, and I wonder if white families or black families see themselves in those families, or just feel like, that's not me.
01:16:10.000I would think psychologically, if you have a successful solvent company in your marketing, you would allocate 10% of your marketing funds to off-market people.
01:16:18.000People that aren't part of your demographic.
01:16:20.000You'd probably do experimental campaigns here and there, but only if you're already successful.
01:16:24.000I can't imagine a company that is just starting up would try to market to people that they didn't think they were going to try and sell to.
01:16:30.000I had a question with you about gems really quick, Colin.
01:16:34.000Biologically, is there any evidence that men or women are more drawn to shiny objects?
01:16:38.000You know, I don't know specifically in humans, but there are a lot of species, a lot of insects as well, that do these, like, gift-giving.
01:16:49.000And it's kind of funny because sometimes they're shiny, sometimes there's like a built-in bit of nutrition to it, but you also see like this cheating behavior where some male fly will try to give this gift that looks like it's containing all this nutrition, but it's actually hollow.
01:17:04.000It's sort of like the cubic zirconia version of like an animal trying to give, you know, to dupe this female into like mating with them by giving them a A hollow gift.
01:17:16.000It's usually men giving the gift to the woman.
01:17:17.000It's almost exclusively the males giving it.
01:17:19.000And it's usually because they're seeking a mate to have a child with.
01:17:23.000So I imagine the gem industry is probably similar to that then.
01:17:26.000I want to add a point to Tim's deal or the conversation in terms of America, what these companies think they're doing and perhaps are doing.
01:17:36.000It's just like you talked about with the Democratic Party and their immigration policy.
01:18:19.000It's almost like marketing patriotism.
01:18:23.000And like the NFL and sports have sold themselves, this is the most patriotic thing you can do.
01:18:29.000Come to our game, stand for the national anthem, blah blah blah.
01:18:32.000Their inclusion now is like patriotism.
01:18:36.000And so these commercials are trying to hit the theme of inclusion because they think they've socially engineered Americans to believe there's nothing more American than being inclusive and tolerant and worshiping I wonder if there's a big ask element.
01:18:57.000I think equity is a lie and a manipulation.
01:18:59.000But inclusivity, it's like, you know, if I'm playing a game of dodgeball and I see a kid who's out, you know, not hanging out with anybody, I'm the kind of person who's like, hey, dude, come over and hang out with us.
01:19:07.000Or I'm at a skate park and I see a kid who's by himself and be like, yo, you want to come over and play a game of skate?
01:20:26.000And diversity was supposed to be about different worldviews, and now it's just about homogenization.
01:20:31.000So you're not getting any of these things in this woke religion.
01:20:35.000And too much inclusivity, like you were saying earlier, is you get the fringes that come in and then end up disrupting the very group you're trying to build.
01:20:40.000Yeah, and if you look at what people mean when they say, like, we're creating an inclusive environment, just to turn this on its head, it basically means the opposite in many contexts.
01:20:50.000Like, when I was first, you know, when I was still in academia and I wrote a paper for the Wall Street Journal called The Dangerous Denial of Sex, and it was about why sex is real and why it matters, I was told that I was not making the environment at Penn State inclusive.
01:21:04.000And that therefore means I needed to go because I wasn't making an inclusive environment.
01:21:11.000So I needed to be excluded in order to make an environment inclusive.
01:21:37.000He's been radicalized by corporate media.
01:21:41.000We've been sending black people the message through corporate media that you're a victim, you're oppressed, white people are the devil, and this guy bought what the media was selling.
01:21:55.000He's from Milwaukee or Waukesha, same area as the Daryl Brooks guy who was radicalized.
01:22:04.000No one should be surprised that we're creating these types of monsters, because the media is basically telling you're crazy if you don't think like this guy.
01:22:17.000Some people watch the show and have seen it, may have heard me, but I assume most people haven't heard the story.
01:22:22.000I know, sometimes I tell stories several times, but there's different guests, so I apologize for it.
01:22:26.000I knew a guy once, and I'll try and simplify the story for the sake of their privacy.
01:22:31.000There was a black dude, and there was a white dude, and the black dude mentioned he was gonna, you know, go run to the store real quick.
01:22:37.000And the white dude said, hey, when you're out, can you mind, you know, when you're by the store, can you grab me a cheeseburger from, you know, the McDonald's?
01:23:23.000But I think what happens is you have people constantly saying, you know, it's like Ibram X. Kendi said, it's not a question of did racism happen, it's how did racism manifest.
01:23:32.000You'll have people who think it's everywhere and look for it, and I'm like, maybe he just wanted you to be his friend and, you know, do him a favor.
01:24:57.000But today's day and age, it's like, you can't belittle these ideas.
01:25:02.000When I look back on what it was like being a kid, having a friend who would call people names, it felt like he was taking the power away from it.
01:25:09.000He would say something that was ultimately meaningless to all of us and was meant in jest and kind of playfully, so we never got mad about it.
01:25:16.000Nowadays, they've empowered it so much that even asking someone to grab you a burger is like the epitome of racism, that it's everywhere, always.
01:25:26.000And it's not the right, it's the woke who claim they're anti-racist, who are funneling as much oxygen into those fires of racism as possible.
01:26:01.000They just don't have their friends circled.
01:26:02.000I mean, this is the stuff like Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukianoff wrote about in Coddling the American Mind.
01:26:08.000Yeah, we're seeing all-time highs of sort of mental health issues, depression, sexlessness among young kids, not young kids, well, college-aged people.
01:26:22.000Yeah, I mean, there's this skyrocketing rates of mental health issues, and I think we're seeing sort of a manifestation of a lot of that.
01:26:29.000We have this focus on these microaggressions.
01:26:33.000So when I was in graduate school, I remember hearing from this other grad student who was a black woman, and she was talking about how she had this insane interaction that was very racist.
01:31:22.000When, you know, there's that study, I think it was out of Yale, we talk about quite a bit, where conservatives speak to black people normally, but liberals, like, dumb down their language, which is the It's insane.
01:31:37.000And so, you know, for me, I'm like, I really just kind of talk to everybody the way I talk to everybody.
01:31:45.000I might have, I think it's fair to say there are certain assumptions we might make about people based on race, based on the politics of our environment.
01:31:55.000But I would say 99.9% is just like, I'm going to talk to this person the same way I talk to everybody else, because I don't want to make assumptions about them.
01:32:02.000Yeah, first, we're not different races.
01:32:04.000We're the same species, the Homo sapien.
01:32:06.000And I like talking to people with different ethnic backgrounds or like different genetic backgrounds, because our ancestors lived in different environments.
01:32:13.000Like the Asian ancestry, maybe because the winds were so biting in the Mongolian plains, they squinted.
01:32:18.000And over generations, the babies were just born so they didn't have to squint, you know?
01:32:21.000Or people with darker skin than mine had a lot of sunlight.
01:32:24.000People with light skin like mine, their ancestors lived at night.
01:32:28.000My dad, one time, I was at the beach, and my dad was like, we lost Ian, where's Ian?
01:32:31.000They looked down the beach, they saw a glowing white thing, and they're like, there he is, and he's alright.
01:32:35.000Here's what I think is important to understand, especially when it comes to race.
01:32:39.000There's different physical characteristics, say hair for instance.
01:32:44.000There's different hair products for white and black people, or not even necessarily white and black, but there literally are different hair treatments and styles.
01:32:53.000So, there's an assumption someone might make, but it shouldn't change.
01:32:56.000These things don't change the way you treat a human being's soul, their spirit.
01:33:01.000I wonder about this because when we talk with people like Seamus of Freedom Tunes, for instance, and you know he very much believes in the soul and the body as being one.
01:33:10.000I'm like, is it something that people who don't believe in a soul will treat you like nothing but the body and ignore your inner, you know what I mean?
01:33:19.000They'll look at you and think your race is you instead of wondering about who you are as a person because you have a soul.
01:33:24.000I don't like when I talk to people about people with dark skin.
01:33:28.000If I'm talking about the difference of light skin and dark skin because it's relative to my skin color and that's really rude of me to act like that.
01:33:35.000Like, I should be talking about people with light skin And just see it from other perspectives than me as like the zero point, as the starting point.
01:33:43.000Well let me... I don't know if you wanted to answer that because I don't want to...
01:33:46.000No, I mean, I'd like to think I'd give people, you know, the first volley in a conversation, and it's going to be the same for just about everybody that I interact with.
01:33:54.000And, you know, over iterations, that's when I'll build a sort of a model.
01:33:58.000But there's like a light... Hold on, I want to throw the question back at you, Jason.
01:34:01.000Do you think you, or do you think black people, have a certain way of talking with white people, in like a similar fashion you asked us?
01:34:11.000In this culture today, no, I don't think there's any trepidation, any fear, because I think the culture has kind of said there are no standards for black behavior.
01:34:25.000Have you seen the Ami Horowitz video on voter ID?
01:36:01.000I gotta, I gotta push back because that is a woke argument where they're trying to claim that, like, Harry Potter and Magic the Gathering are racist.
01:36:08.000White and black as a reference to night and day.
01:36:58.000I think we should be literally trying to live up to Dr. King's dream.
01:37:02.000Judge people by the content of the character.
01:37:04.000The left seems to be taking us the total opposite direction.
01:37:08.000And we now all have... Again, what you're seeing with black people is that they interpret the world through this lens of race every interaction and it's like hey man some people just are having a bad day it had nothing to do with your skin color their wife may have made them sleep on the couch last night and so he's grumpy and gave you a cold answer it it and so but we expect anything that bad if if if he punched me in the arm right now
01:37:41.000I could oh he only did that because I'm black that may be his way of greeting everybody that he's friendly with or finds you know interesting or whatever but we just describe race and some negative connotation to Any experience we have.
01:37:57.000There might be- Oh, I got a really good one, though, real quick.
01:38:01.000Okay, um, it- Back in the day when we were all, like, hunting with spears and stuff, if I went out there with my glowing white light skin and I'm in the middle of the night and the moon's out, you're gonna see me.
01:38:09.000But if someone with darker brown skin is gonna be more, like, camouflaged, maybe racism comes from that.
01:38:16.000Well, there's- there's- Or like fear or stuff comes from that.
01:38:20.000It comes from the other, the fear of the other.
01:38:22.000But it's actually harder to see darker objects at night.
01:38:26.000It's true, but the racism is rooted in the idea of, I know you're not from my city.
01:39:21.000Not as long as I thought, because everybody's very, very busy, and then we actually have to get on the road immediately.
01:39:26.000That's actually a big part of me coming to Nashville, is because I googled craft distilleries when I was downtown visiting, and like 50 popped up, and I was like, okay, I'll move here.
01:40:03.000Lior Engelstein says the latest Quinnipiac poll finds Joe Biden with a 26% approval rating among Hispanics lower than his rating among whites.
01:41:10.000You know, Ron Paul, I think it was Ron Paul who said, you can be a socialist in America, just buy land and make your socialist little commune.
01:41:21.000Left libertarian is like, I'm gonna buy a farm, me and my friends are gonna live on it, and we're gonna share our fruits and vegetables together.
01:42:20.000Well, I mean, yeah, that's a little different.
01:42:22.000It's cool to have, like, the king of podcasting on your show, and he came in and hung out with Alex Jones, so that was a pretty epic moment.
01:42:28.000I don't know how you topped that, to be honest.
01:42:30.000Alex Jones and Joe Rogan came on this show at the same time?
01:43:12.000Otherwise it'd be like, well, but that's a really interesting point, which I don't understand what's going on with these colleges and these kids in these schools.
01:43:23.000There's two people for different reasons.
01:43:25.000Barack Obama, because I'd like to challenge him on the way he handled the race issue.
01:43:31.000But probably the person I'm most fascinated with right now is Bill Maher.
01:43:35.000Because I think he's been completely red-pilled and is just trying to ease his way up out of HBO once he can get his podcast up and rolling.
01:43:47.000And then he's already telling us what he thinks, but I think eventually he's going to tell us what he really thinks.
01:43:54.000Bill Maher said in 2019, was it, bring on the recession because he hated Trump so much that all the pain and suffering we see.
01:44:02.000I just, someone tweeted about it and I said, am I supposed to forgive that?
01:44:08.000to know I mean probably no no I think he should be held to account about it
01:44:12.000but still forgive and I think he should I think you know I don't know if Joe
01:44:17.000mentioned this soon she's on a show recently but I mean it's the first thing
01:44:20.000I'd say I'd say bill in in 2019 you said bring on the recession and so many
01:44:26.000people are suffering People are at risk of losing their lives.
01:44:30.000People, I mean, look in Shang how bad it is.
01:44:32.000You know, you wished this because you didn't like Trump, and now things are worse.
01:44:37.000So it's like not only did you wish pain and suffering on people because you didn't like Donald Trump, maybe you were scared that I can get, but Biden is worse.
01:44:45.000He's objectively worse, so you wished for pain and suffering, and you got an extended state of it.
01:44:54.000Let me add one point to that, because I wanted to say it earlier when we were talking about your conversation with the Daily Wirecast about presidential candidates.
01:45:02.000This is why I'm of the opinion that Trump not running in 2024 might be a blessing because when Trump's not in office, it makes the Democrats actually have to defend their positions rather than just saying Trump.
01:45:19.000You ask him any question, they just go Trump.
01:45:21.000And so once you take that off the table, that's why I think you're seeing Bill Maher pivot so much because he can't just holler Trump like he used to.
01:45:37.000So I know a little bit about it, but I think the Daily Wire was sending us two channels that were canceling each other out when you were listening with headphones.
01:45:43.000So if you listen with headphones... Yeah, because we had people who were like, it's fine for me.
01:46:21.000You know, we'll have to do we'll have to and people were so Benjamin said everyone go to the daily wire live stream because you Oh, yeah.
01:46:28.000But you know, what we'll have to do is just if we if we if we have that glitch on our recorded version for the podcast, we'll have to just check for it, I guess.
01:48:28.000It really comes down to... It would be very difficult for literally anyone to be able to buy out this company at this point, to be completely honest.
01:48:35.000But what we're mostly talking about with the guys over at Daily Wire is, you know, building culture.
01:48:40.000We do not have the capability to do movies, but we certainly have a bunch of crazy ideas for movies.
01:49:19.000So, when we launched Pop Culture Crisis on YouTube, for everybody, go to youtube.com slash popculturecrisis, subscribe.
01:49:27.000If you're into pop culture content, So, you know, we had this conversation very much at the beginning of the show.
01:49:33.000I'm like, guys, it's not about politics.
01:49:35.000The headlines should not be like, woke this, woke that Democrat Republican with, you know, cultural stuff in there.
01:49:42.000It is literally a story where it's like Disney launches new Marvel show.
01:49:47.000And the reason is, Too many people are just like, let's launch our new version of cultural commentary where we make fun of what they're doing.
01:49:53.000And I'm like, okay, well, I mean, that's great.
01:49:55.000I don't care if, you know, watch all of these cultural commentary channels.
01:49:59.000What we need is cultural participation.
01:50:02.000We need people who share our values to be talking about the same thing that regular people are talking about, not approaching them like an other and complaining to their faces about it.
01:50:11.000So what happens is when Disney announces a new movie, the guys over at Pop Culture Crisis will be like, here's the new movie, here's what's happening, here's what they think.
01:50:20.000So the way I see it is, the mistake the woke are making is that they're making movies and putting the message first.
01:50:27.000What The Daily Wire is doing is making movies and putting the message secondary.
01:50:30.000So you've got good entertainment, and then it just so happens to have a little bit here and there of like, our values are behind it.
01:50:35.000That's what I'm talking about with pop culture crisis.
01:50:37.000People can watch about new movies, celebrities, video games, and then secondary is, well you guys know we believe in freedom and personal responsibility, but we're not slapping you over the head with it.
01:53:35.000Glad you decided to listen to an intelligent conversation for once.
01:53:39.000You know, I just, I'll point this out because we, we, this is also, uh, the conversation we all had with Ben Shapiro, which will be up on Sunday, as I mentioned.
01:53:47.000Why is it that it's always the right as they, as the left describes it?
01:53:51.000That is like our door is always open to all people, including the left to have a conversation, but it's always the left saying no.
01:54:01.000Scientific American did a hit piece on one of my articles saying that sex is real and I just made, I'm trying to be as polite as possible, I reached out to the editor you know just saying like we should have a platform we should have a conversation about this and then now she's tweeting today about how she's just getting trolled by By me, apparently.
01:54:19.000This middle-aged, or I guess old, comedian woman gave an interview.
01:54:25.000And it's the weirdest interview because it shouldn't exist because this lady's not relevant.
01:54:28.000She's not relevant to the point where I'm not going to say her name.
01:54:30.000But she was like, whenever I speak up, the Joe Rogan army comes for me.
01:54:49.000ELA says, I love how independent media supports each other.
01:54:52.000You all talk about the importance of decentralization, and it's awesome how you were all building each other up instead of trying to knock each other down, walk in the walk.
01:54:59.000Well, because I think one of the things that actually unifies, despite the differences in politics between The Daily Wire, us at TimCast, or Steven Crowder, is that we agree to disagree.
01:55:09.000We respect the disagreement, and we're arguing, and it's fun.
01:55:14.000But the left is like, I'm not going to come on your show and talk to you.
01:55:17.000They just want to hide behind their screens and, you know, engage in sophistry.
01:55:22.000Well, it's rare that I disagree with someone 100%.
01:55:24.000So even when you were talking about, you know, your Christian perspective, and I'm, you know, a card-carrying atheist.
01:55:30.000There's still things, there's truth to what you're saying about, you know, gay marriage and things like that and, you know, slippery slope stuff.
01:55:37.000So it's, to me, it's just like finding those areas.
01:55:39.000Like where, what is the truth in what you're saying?
01:57:06.000The distinction between left and right is truth and fiction.
01:57:09.000The left keeps falling for every hoax.
01:57:11.000The right challenges these stories and then turns out to be right most of the time.
01:57:14.000So I think when people say we should move to Nashville to make a conservative Hollywood, I'm like, I mean, look, conservatives don't think we're conservative.
01:57:21.000You take a look at me walking into the Daily Wire HQ, and I even mention, I'm like, look how I'm dressed compared to everybody else here.
01:57:26.000I think, you know, we might have come from different worlds a little bit.
01:57:28.000I'm wearing sneakers, jeans, and a t-shirt, and they're all dressed very well.
01:57:33.000You know, I go in there... Especially Michael Knowles.
01:58:44.000Alright, Yoda Thrash says, whenever Jason is on, it's total worlds collide for me.
01:58:48.000It's the old school BMXer guy who wants to talk street spots with Tim, but then football guy that wants to talk to Jason about zone coverage versus man to man.
01:58:57.000Is there a time and a place for zone and man, or do you pick one or the other?
01:59:27.000Well, there was that thing that Twitter had, like, the new policy they put in, I think it was maybe even a year ago, where it's just like, if they're posting people in public spaces, And everyone always said this could be something that they might use to then just be able to remove accounts for violating sort of these types of things.
02:01:36.000Well, I think, you know, it's weird that a lot of people are saying it was fine and some people are saying it wasn't, but we'll get it sorted for the podcast version.
02:02:09.000That means when you are a member of TimCast.com, you are part of an elite group of people that is better than CNN.
02:02:16.000I know, I know, you don't need to be a member to be better than CNN.
02:02:18.000It's not hard to do, but at least you can be a card-carrying member that is better than CNN.
02:02:22.000So, no, I gotta say, in all seriousness, I am so grateful, honored, that you would be members of TimCast.com, to the point where I can tweet, TimCast.com is bigger than CNN Plus, because it's kind of just like, I despise the corporate press, the manipulation so much, to know that there is something bubbling up that just believes in honesty and to the best of our abilities, It makes me feel good.
02:02:47.000So everybody, thanks so much for all your support.