Join us live from the Heritage Foundation HQ after the premiere of Police State, where we talk about the new Dinesh D'Souza film, why Ben Shapiro should quit the Daily Wire, and much, much more!
00:00:00.000Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the show.
00:00:06.000We're coming to you live from the Heritage Foundation HQ, hanging out after the premiere of Police State, a Dinesh D'Souza film.
00:00:12.000It was, uh, it looked pretty amazing, the event and everything that's going on, so we'll be talking about that.
00:00:16.000But the big news right now is, uh, it's fairly cultural, but it has to do, of course, with Israel-Palestine.
00:00:21.000Ben Shapiro has just publicly told Candace Owens to quit the Daily Wire if she has a problem with taking money from them.
00:00:29.000And this is, uh, well, it's resulted in them being, I guess, the biggest trend on Twitter right now.
00:00:34.000And it's going to get interesting because Mike Cernovich calls this constructive termination, which is a legal term, and there's some talk about what this could lead to.
00:00:46.000There is a new episode of Tucker Carlson where Candace Owens has responded to Ben Shapiro's criticism of her, where Ben said she was being disgraceful over her position related to Israel and Palestine.
00:00:53.000So we're going to talk a lot about that.
00:00:55.000Plus, we've got news out of Atlanta relating to Antifa, setting fire to a bunch of construction vehicles, 61 state racketeering charges, but that's the key there, state charges, and we're going to talk about what's going on in this country with the police state because, surprise, surprise, these are not federal charges.
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00:02:17.000We got a couple of really great guests joining us.
00:02:19.000We have Dinesh D'Souza and Julie Kelly.
00:02:21.000Dinesh, do you want to introduce yourself?
00:02:23.000Sure, I'm a writer, I'm a filmmaker, and of course the latest film, Police State, the website is PoliceStateFilm.net.
00:02:32.000The film was in theaters, rave reviews, but now it's in streaming, it's also in DVD.
00:02:38.000You won't get it at Walmart or Amazon because they're not letting us sell it there, but you can go to PoliceStateFilm.net and load up for Christmas.
00:04:15.000I am a political cartoonist and commentator.
00:04:17.000I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes, where we upload a cartoon every single Thursday, lampooning current events or sometimes just getting into culture war issues in a deeper way rather than touching on current events.
00:04:28.000Tomorrow's video is going to be very, very funny, in my humble opinion, and next week's video is going to be A Thanksgiving special that, let's just say, we're very excited for.
00:04:37.000So I want to ask you all to subscribe at Freedom Tunes, check our stuff out, hit the notification bell.
00:04:42.000We got some good stuff coming at you tomorrow and next week.
00:04:44.000It will be Thanksgiving, not Friendsgiving, correct?
00:04:46.000No, we don't do the Friendsgiving thing.
00:05:30.000I told everyone else to do it, and everyone looked at me like I was the devil.
00:05:33.000I have a dog that I have to take care of.
00:05:34.000She's going to be in the kennel for months.
00:05:36.000How about we talk about news, everybody?
00:05:37.000The first story that we got is a tweet from Ben Shapiro who says, Candace, if you feel that taking money from the daily wire somehow comes between you and God, by all means quit.
00:05:50.000And that is a bold response to Candace Owens' tweet, which is, my understanding is a Bible verse, but Seamus might be a better verse with this.
00:05:59.000Candace Owens tweeted, Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the
00:06:46.000So needless to say, things are getting rather interesting.
00:06:49.000And if you're wondering why they're fighting, what this is all about, it has to do with Israel-Palestine.
00:06:52.000Recently, Ben Shapiro was seen on video saying that Candace Owens' faux sophistication was disgraceful as it pertained to what was going on.
00:07:01.000And Candace Owens has a video where she said that her point was simply, Why are we so concerned about what's going on in Israel when our own universities are teaching children and young people to demonize white people?
00:07:12.000Why are we spending so much money and energy on foreign countries when we should be securing our borders and helping the American people?
00:07:18.000And I'm like, yeah, I agree with Candace on that.
00:07:20.000For that, Candace tweets this, blessed are the peacemakers, which is to imply, perhaps, ceasefire.
00:07:26.000And that's what a lot of people are reading into it.
00:07:28.000Ben, of course, has just halted to quit.
00:07:30.000And now we've got, I think I actually have this tweet from Mike Cernovich.
00:07:42.000But Mike Cernovich said it was constructive termination, which is basically when you create a- a pressure in your company that is- so, they're gonna have to quit.
00:07:51.000Jack Posobiec says, Candace Owens compares Ben to a BLM activist who accuses someone of being racist if they don't support defunding the police, and Mike Cernovich said, He's become indistinguishable from a far-left-wing identity-politics-woke-psycho.
00:08:05.000He's working the soft-cancel-culture angle now.
00:08:22.000As far as, like, Cernovich's criticism, anyone that touches on identity politics starts to sound like the people, you know, whether they intend to or not, they're going to sound like they're diving into identity politics, whether it be, you know, white people talking about their white whiteness or whatever or if you're complaining about white
00:08:45.000people and whiteness or whatever, anytime you touch that, you can't help but sound like the
00:09:18.000I said the other day that Candace and Ben arguing over this stuff and having kind of a public spat is just good for the Daily Wire, it's press attention, which is true.
00:09:26.000And that it probably wouldn't go beyond this, they're gonna criticize each other, but now Ben's telling her to quit!
00:09:32.000Which, I don't know if you guys have legal expertise to some degree, but it seems to me that if you have a contract with someone, and then you publicly say you should quit, you've just given them legal recourse to terminate their contract.
00:09:46.000You know, I think what's going on here is that Daily Wire is a fiefdom.
00:09:53.000And they like to have kind of a stable of people in their team, but who are completely under their thumb.
00:10:02.000Remember the Crowder business, which happened not that long ago?
00:10:06.000And I thought it was so odd, because what would appear to be a private negotiation suddenly erupts into public.
00:10:22.000And I think this is what's going on here, is that Candace is a very independent spirit, she's actually got a pretty good ego, she wants to be her own person, and yet somehow she's corralled into the Daily Wire stable, and they expect her to, quote, behave.
00:10:40.000And she doesn't really think she needs to.
00:10:45.000And so I see this as a kind of... I mean, you could have had the philosophical debate without this acrimony.
00:10:52.000So it's very interesting that the two have become conflated.
00:10:55.000But do you think Ben Shapiro could have had the philosophical debate without the emotion behind it?
00:10:59.000Because it's so much tied to his core identity and how he views the world.
00:11:04.000Maybe Candace could have, because she's a little bit more removed, but someone who's tied to the religious and ethnic groups that are involved, it's much harder.
00:12:15.000Then you wouldn't join Daily Wire if you intended to step out of line.
00:12:19.000But it looks to me like what happened with Daily Wire was that they were like, let's get some really big personalities into our tent, And even the phrase that was used in the context of Crowder, wage slavery, which is kind of an old phrase out of Marx in the 19th century.
00:12:35.000That's what really rankled Crowder because he's like, you know, I'm not going to be your slave.
00:12:39.000You know, you might pay me well, but nevertheless, I'm still my own man.
00:12:42.000And I think something I hear the same echo here.
00:12:46.000I gotta tell you, man, you know, when the Crowder thing went down, I brought up how we had negotiations with the guys at The Daily Wire, and I think they're fantastic.
00:12:56.000The negotiations and the conversations that I had with co-CEO Jeremy Boring were probably the most refreshing business negotiations I've ever had in any circumstance where I felt like he wasn't lying to me.
00:13:17.000I sat down with Jeremy and it was like a real conversation about what's going on, what we could do, why we could do it.
00:13:21.000And you know what it ultimately came down to is, I don't know that I could do a deal like this because I'm kind of a crazy guy.
00:13:29.000And I might want to buy a billboard that says, you know, Liz Cheney is a fat pig or something like that.
00:13:34.000And they chuckled and they were like, fair point, fair point, you know?
00:13:37.000And so, I don't know if I mentioned that before, I think I did, because I was like, I would like to insult people like, warmongers who I greatly despise.
00:13:44.000You know, I do get a lot of people saying, no, they'll never come on your show, Tim, don't you get it?
00:13:47.000And I'm like, well, you know, I guess.
00:13:48.000Is it like Liz Cheney was going to come do Tim Cass and subject herself to a two-hour interview where she was asked tough questions about the things she's been involved with?
00:15:52.000I think this dispute online is going to be something progressive media outlets try and capitalize on as, look, these right-wing enterprises are fracturing, they're falling apart, to direct from the fact that they also have a lot of issues.
00:16:11.000Yeah, the Israeli-Palestine conflict is splitting both the left and the right and really making people pick sides.
00:16:19.000I imagine that Candace doesn't have a strong... I imagine it would make sense to think that Candace doesn't have as strong of an opinion as Ben, obviously, because Ben's got family in Israel, you know, so... But she's an American!
00:16:31.000She can have a strong opinion that America shouldn't spend money on foreign wars.
00:16:35.000Yeah, but I think Ben looks at the whole thing as beyond that.
00:16:38.000We're living in a time, and this is not the way things used to be, but where institutions tend to be defined by one guy.
00:16:46.000Even if you go back to the old National Review, it was Bill Buckley.
00:16:48.000You have a lot of other guys around him, but it's Buckley's magazine.
00:16:51.000Commentary was Norman Pudhortz's magazine.
00:17:03.000And so I think what happens at Daily Wire is it is Ben Shapiro, but then you've got these other guys who are kind of luminaries in their own right.
00:17:11.000And so now the issue is a little unclear.
00:17:37.000And they've done a tremendous job in getting attention and building influence for their hosts.
00:17:42.000But Michael Knowles worked for the company and then has now become one of the biggest social and political commentators.
00:17:49.000Well, I kind of want to touch on something that you mentioned earlier, Janesh.
00:17:51.000You said that the Daily Wire grabs different people so that they can have a large tent, reach a broad audience, and have a lot of different influencers.
00:17:59.000And I think, interestingly enough, that's actually symbolic of a broader issue with the conservative movement, which is we've tried to welcome everybody into the tent, and we actually don't have principles or know how to define ourselves anymore as a result of that.
00:18:10.000When it comes to the Israel-Palestine conflict, obviously that's something where I think there can be diversity of opinion, but there are so many social issues, issues like abortion, homosexuality, LGBTQ issues, more broadly speaking, where the right doesn't even know what it believes because we've expanded the tent out to everybody who the left has said they don't like, and so we've actually allowed our enemies to decide what our movement is.
00:18:32.000I don't disagree with that, but I think generally American culture is very ambiguous.
00:18:38.000We don't have a defined cultural identity that people theoretically could assimilate to.
00:18:42.000So it becomes difficult to say where any lines are, and then you add policy on top of that.
00:18:47.000You don't think America had like a broad overarching culture?
00:18:50.000I think we could, and we did at one point, but I think as it stands right now, Americans are very resistant to cultivating American culture.
00:18:57.000I mean, think about everyone who was like, if Trump gets elected, I will move to Canada!
00:19:01.000Like, there's all kinds of resistance to being American.
00:19:03.000If that's how our young people feel, then we have failed as a culture to maintain a cultural identity.
00:19:07.000Young people in the United States, a lot of the people that I end up working with when I'm touring and stuff like that, younger people really don't.
00:19:13.000They want to avoid the nationalist idea.
00:19:22.000They see American flags and they're turned off by it.
00:19:25.000Some people that I'm really, really close to and that I have a really great relationship with, they don't see A love of country as something that's important.
00:19:34.000They think of themselves as global and I do understand that that's a little bit more of the... that is probably because of the people that I'm around.
00:19:43.000They're playing concerts and performing in places all over the world.
00:19:47.000So that does make people feel less connected to an individual place.
00:19:52.000But it is something that is true among younger people in the United States.
00:19:55.000And I think that it's partially because we have Between Gen X and possibly the Millennials, they didn't instill a pride in young people and they didn't really, you know, civics was taken out of school and stuff and people don't understand why America is special and what about our government system is special and why it should be preserved.
00:20:16.000And you add to that that The younger generations, I mean the millennial generation, my generation, and Gen Z and Gen Alpha are growing up in a world where everything is being handed to you.
00:20:24.000And I don't mean everything, but your bare necessities.
00:20:27.000Expanding beyond that is becoming increasingly difficult.
00:20:30.000Owning a home is becoming increasingly difficult.
00:20:32.000But when your whole life is playing with your friends, going to school, coming home and eating Rice Krispies squares or whatever and Tang from your mom, and it's not having to chop wood otherwise you freeze to death in the winter, we are building multiple generations of people who don't know what it takes to survive.
00:20:46.000And that breeds entitlement and resentment, and without any sense of community, it's Antifa, it's chaos, it's the far left, it's the woke cult.
00:20:54.000Well, I think we've also manufactured quite a lot of cynicism, some intentionally and some otherwise.
00:20:59.000So just to speak to my own experience, people in my generation can probably relate to this.
00:21:04.000I was six when 9-11 happened, and immediately there were just American flags everywhere.
00:21:08.000Everyone was talking about patriotism and coming together as a country.
00:21:12.000And then what that was used for was basically to push for these wars that basically everybody now looks back on and says were bad for the country.
00:21:19.000So for a lot of people in my demographic, their first introduction to patriotism and to love of country was abused in such a way to give handouts to the industrial military complex and do things that ultimately were not good for the country, so people are less willing to come on board with common projects that actually are good for the nation.
00:21:36.000I mean, young people being disillusioned with America and the flag and not being patriotic, it's not really that new.
00:21:48.000I mean, we're Gen Xers, and we were raised in the 80s, and we had Ronald Reagan.
00:21:53.000I think we were raised in a certain era of greater patriotism, but there still was a big contingent who thought that Ronald Reagan was more evil than the Soviet Union.
00:22:13.000Well, it's because, yeah, and I mean, I think academia is, and I mean, Dinesh D'Souza wrote the book on it, A Liberal Education, which is one of the first books that opened my eyes about what they're indoctrinating kids with, and now when you have your own children in college, you really see it.
00:22:29.000But I do think things need to be put in context a little.
00:22:33.000Because what they said about Trump, they said about Ronald Reagan.
00:22:37.000There was a brief window where George W. Bush was a hero, and then all of a sudden he's the next Hitler.
00:22:42.000We had the Vietnam War, and there was a massive young people's revolt against that.
00:22:47.000And then Reagan came along and Reagan found a middle ground that has suddenly somehow been lost.
00:22:55.000The middle ground was called the Reagan Doctrine.
00:22:57.000So the Reagan Doctrine is that people must fight for their own freedom.
00:24:17.000He was claiming that he wanted to get Nancy Pelosi to confess on camera while he wore a unicorn costume, and then he wanted Biden to pardon her for these crimes, which is just a general... All around, the dude's clearly unwell.
00:24:59.000They say David DePapp, the man accused of attacking Paul Pelosi with a hammer in San Francisco last year, testified in his federal trial Tuesday, offering the most detailed glimpse to date into the motivations and conspiracies that drove him to embark on what he said he and his lawyers described as a mission to fix a world corrupted by Democrats.
00:25:11.000Under questioning from his own attorney, DePapp sketched the contours of his worldview and his political leanings, both of which were heavily informed by conservative media personnel and podcasters.
00:25:19.000David DePapp testified that he subscribed to a number of baseless and wildly discredited conspiracy theories, many of which revolved around assertions of cabals of high-ranking public officials and celebrities harming children.
00:25:28.000Uh, yada yada, he says he used to be left-wing, and I wonder if the Chronicle actually removed the references, but, uh... To search.
00:25:44.000He turned instead to conservative commentators Tim Poole and James Lindsay, DePapp said.
00:25:50.000He also went on to mention many others.
00:25:52.000He mentioned Glenn Beck and other channels.
00:25:54.000But I just want to shout out Uh, depending on which news outlet you read, they'll choose selectively which person he claimed to have been listening to.
00:27:02.000and the quote is simple says i think it's funny and i just don't care or
00:27:06.000something like that And I'm like, yeah, dude, look, there will not be a single person who can ever, ever get me to care that some dude who did some bad thing watched my show.
00:27:54.000He helps break the machine, because when Gawker takes a quote from Seamus and applies it to Ian, or when Hasan Piker claims Ian is a conservative, it shows you that their arguments are meaningless, completely empty.
00:28:09.000I don't think we should take this at face value.
00:28:12.000Julie, of course, has been following the January 6 trials.
00:28:15.000And you know, Julie, that there are many cases where at the coaching of attorneys, the guy who had one motive
00:28:24.000is coached into a different storyline that is made palatable for the media, palatable for the jury,
00:28:32.000palatable for the judge to show compassion.
00:28:34.000So what I see here is a leftist who has now realized that moving right and claiming to be under the right-wing spell will suddenly get him a lot of sympathetic attention.
00:29:43.000She has nothing to do with the Pelosi's.
00:29:45.000This man going to Pelosi's house and wanting to attack or harm Pelosi has nothing to do with James Lindsay or Gail Rubin.
00:29:54.000It does seem like what you said, Dinesh, that Hey, look, I bet his defense attorneys said, here's what you're gonna do, you're in San Francisco, this is the jury, you gotta claim it's the right wing that radicalized you, attack James Lindsay, Glenn Beck, Tim Pool, and there's a few others they mentioned, and then you'll get lesser charges.
00:30:14.000They'll use that to weave a narrative.
00:30:16.000I mean, Julie, hasn't this exactly been the January 6th?
00:30:19.000In some cases, where the court-appointed attorneys have lured the defendants into this kind of whole therapeutic, I used to be a Trumpster, I've now realized that he deceived me.
00:30:50.000We're having a conversation right now.
00:30:52.000They do have struggle sessions, still ongoing.
00:30:55.000And you had a public defender, Heather Shainer, who's represented several January 6th defendants.
00:31:02.000And she actually gives them a list of books and movies to read to forgive themselves for their white privilege.
00:31:10.000And then they will go to the judge and they'll write an apology letter or they will tell the judge in a letter or verbally You know, I didn't realize how racist and anti-semitic, and we killed all the Native Americans, and so these are the futurist female public defenders that represent, so it's the same thing.
00:31:29.000I mean, in my own campaign finance case, think about this, I give money to Wendy Long, who's a running college friend of mine, and the judge, this is the part I want to focus on as part of my sentence, psychiatric counseling.
00:31:42.000As if my behavior is so inexplicable, it demands psychiatric therapy.
00:31:48.000But see, I think what they were getting at is, had I gone through the psychological counseling, eight months, and then I come out and sort of seen the light, and I realize I'm actually now a leftist, and I'm now applying for a job on MSNBC, I would have been declared cured.
00:32:05.000Wouldn't that be hilarious if you actually did that?
00:32:07.000Just to troll the system, if you're like, no, yeah, I'm a leftist and got a job on MSNBC and then their highest-rated host was someone who was re-educated into being a leftist.
00:32:14.000Here's a point that I want to make about this case that I think everyone needs to ask themselves.
00:32:18.000As Dinesh pointed out, and as mentioned, Julie Kelly, in your work, January Sixers are given this narrative.
00:32:25.000Why would a criminal defendant Go on the stand for several hours and explain that the crime he committed was actually part of a much, much larger conspiracy and that he actually was attempting several more crimes.
00:32:38.000For what purpose would this defendant be advantaged by admitting to further criminal conspiracy on the stand?
00:32:47.000I mean, he's obviously, theoretically, going to help the state with something.
00:32:50.000There's no way that he's counseled to do that unless they potentially could throw someone else under the bus.
00:32:54.000My point is, there's no legitimate legal circumstance where they're like, go up there and admit to doing more crimes.
00:33:29.000Yeah, my guess is this guy is out of his mind and they realized that they could now move him like a puppet in whatever direction they wanted to.
00:33:39.000And so they've constructed a narrative.
00:33:41.000I think it might be simple enough that his defense came to him and said, look, you're in San Francisco.
00:33:52.000And this is a scary thing for what's happening in this country.
00:33:54.000Well, keep in mind, too, excuse me, Tim, but the U.S.
00:33:57.000Capitol Police, the same organization that allowed The Capitol to be left unsecured on January 6th.
00:34:05.000They were monitoring the Pelosi's property in real time.
00:34:10.000So they've expanded their offices out of Washington, they shouldn't, to parts of Florida and California.
00:34:16.000So they were monitoring and they said, oh, we just looked away and whatever, then all of a sudden this guy bursts into the house, breaks into the house.
00:34:23.000So it's also part of, to your point, you're right, but also covering up again another agency that really should be disbanded.
00:34:31.000Congress shouldn't have their own police force.
00:34:33.000Not only are they protecting, not protecting in this case, but they're totally incompetent, should be disbanded, and they're once again trying to cover up what they did wrong.
00:34:43.000We had a legal issue, a year or so ago.
00:34:46.000So I call my lawyer, and I say, hey, we've got this legal dispute, civil, not criminal, a civil tort of some sort.
00:34:54.000And he said, okay, well, if we sue in California, we lose instantly.
00:35:00.000If we sue in New York, we lose instancy.
00:35:02.000Instantly, because these were big media corporations that we were looking at.
00:35:06.000And he goes, so obviously we're gonna try and do it in West Virginia, which means we need to figure out why we have standing to be in West Virginia to do it.
00:35:14.000And I laughed, and I was like, I totally get it.
00:35:16.000He goes, look man, You get a judge in New York, and they're gonna be corporate, and they're gonna be Democrats, and they instantly hate you no matter what you say, because you're Tim Pool.
00:35:25.000You go to West Virginia, and they're probably gonna instantly like you.
00:35:28.000I gotta be honest, you file in West Virginia, the judge is gonna side with you no matter what you say.
00:35:38.000Outside of any grand conspiracy or narrative crafting or whatever we want to say may have happened, I think his defense lawyers just said, look man, tell everyone that it's the evil boogeyman far-right that made you do it, and cross your fingers.
00:35:49.000Well, you know, you mentioned earlier Jenna Ellis, and part of what's going on here is that The plea bargain system has become a legal bludgeon, in which they come to you and in effect say, we can get something on you no matter what.
00:36:08.000And now what they do is they, because of the large federal accordion of statutes, they can re-describe the same thing you did and have multiple charges.
00:36:17.000In my campaign finance case, they were like, we'll get you on bank fraud because you took your money out of the bank.
00:36:22.000We'll get you on mail fraud because you put your check in the mail.
00:36:26.000And see, those things carry years in prison.
00:36:28.000And so then they go, okay, but if you sign here and plead to this... And so, whether you're guilty or innocent makes no difference.
00:36:35.000If you make a rational calculation, you have to take the plea.
00:36:39.000But of course, politically, it's ruinous because then everybody jumps up and goes, see?
00:36:50.000And the federal prosecutors said of the defendant, who quite literally broke no law, but they were trying to put him in prison for decades, I was flabbergasted when I heard the prosecutor say, it was a sentencing hearing, why they wanted to justify a very, very long prison sentence.
00:37:06.000And the prosecutor said, Your Honor, the defendant used a uniform resource locator through the hypertext transfer protocol to obtain private information of people he did not have the right to get information from.
00:37:21.000He just said the dude typed in a URL into a web browser.
00:37:25.000But he said it in such a way so that the jury and the judge would be like, wow, what is this crazy technical thing for which I am not understanding?
00:37:33.000If I said, your honor, the dude typed some words into the browser bar and pressed enter and they sent him information, he'd be like, well, I do that every day.
00:37:47.000I mean, after this being a police state film, people come up to me and they're like, well, you know, Dinesh, I'm not Donald Trump, and I didn't go in the Capitol on January 6th, and I pay my taxes, and, you know, I'm okay.
00:38:54.000Some people call it the trial tax or the jury tax, and the argument they make is, well, you see, when you plead guilty, you're accepting responsibility, which shows some remorse and some change already.
00:39:05.000Therefore, you'll get a lesser sentence for that.
00:39:07.000The reality is, the emergence of this is mostly due to the fact that the state cannot handle the amount of cases laid before it.
00:39:14.000If every person in this country who was criminally charged demanded a jury trial, the system would collapse overnight.
00:39:21.000Well, I just want to mention, because we spoke to him on the show probably about two years ago, but Brandon Strzok had a very similar situation.
00:39:26.000He did not go in the Capitol, he was just out on the steps.
00:39:29.000They claimed that they heard his voice in the footage that he filmed saying something that wasn't even necessarily incendiary, even in and of itself, and they were threatening him with something like 19 years in prison, and so they got him to plea down, basically.
00:39:43.000This is what I remember about covering the Proud Boys trial, right?
00:39:47.000They were all charged with conspiracy, but also if you look back in the documents, Dominic Pizzola, who had thrown something, or there was a video of him like taking glass out of a window.
00:40:00.000He got moved on to the case way later.
00:40:01.000They moved people around based on who they could offer pleas to create this idea that there was a uniform conspiracy.
00:40:06.000Well, that's what was so amazing about the Whitmer federal criminal trial, and I know you guys had Brandon Caserta on, and the fact that you had, and the thing with plea deals, too, is they are considered convictions by the Department of Justice.
00:40:21.000There's not a category that's like, and this is true, I just looked it up, 80% of federal criminal cases, charges end up are pleaded out, but they're still
00:41:35.000These are people who are part of cells.
00:41:37.000These are people who have come from outside the country, we know this, and they have cells all over the country.
00:41:42.000They work with each other, they organize, they have plans, they have workbooks, and we are told consistently the far-right is the real threat.
00:41:49.000In the previous segment, we were talking about the jury tax, or the trial tax, where they force people to take plea bargains.
00:41:56.000Dinesh was pointing out that he can get... You tell me about your life and he can point out three felonies?
00:42:01.000I want to tell you guys something, and then I want to open the conversation up to January 6th and your film, Police State.
00:42:07.000On January 20th, 2017, several hundred far leftists stormed through Washington, D.C., throwing Molotov cocktails, uh, well, I should tone it down a little bit, setting fires in the street, torching vehicles, smashing windows, and fighting with cops.
00:43:33.000And he'll look at the jury and be like, do you believe that?
00:43:36.000That he actually knew who this guy was with everyone wearing the same thing?
00:43:39.000They couldn't get him on conspiracy charges, and they couldn't get anyone to believe that they singled out individuals with crimes, so the entire group, in their organized act of terrorism at Donald Trump's inauguration, were not only having their charges dismissed, but they were paid out millions of dollars.
00:43:59.000When they broke down the barriers outside of the White House and forced the President of the United States into a bunker instead of referring to that as a... Fire-bombed the White House grounds.
00:44:06.000And the media's concern about that was that Trump was very mean and he used tear gas so that he could get across the street and stop them from burning down a historic church.
00:44:13.000If they, just like Dinesh was saying earlier, just by talking to someone, you can come up with, you know, multiple felonies.
00:44:19.000If the federal government actually wanted to stop this kind of stuff, they absolutely could.
00:44:24.000I think this is the key, that, you know, for years now, we have focused on the rhetoric of the double standard.
00:44:32.000Look at the way that the government treats Trump versus Biden.
00:44:38.000Look at the treatment of Antifa BLM on the one hand versus, let's say, the January 6 protesters on the other.
00:44:46.000Now, how do you resolve a double standard?
00:44:48.000Because a double standard usually has a kind of a hidden premise.
00:44:52.000And the hidden premise here is that we have a government that wants to apply the law equitably.
00:44:57.000And if that is the case, then there certainly is a double standard.
00:45:43.000The family dog can distinguish between pals and strangers.
00:45:48.000And similarly, the police state is friendly toward the people who are helping to build the police state, even as it is unremittingly hostile to anybody that it sees as a threat.
00:46:15.000The communists did this in Spain, where people who were non-government officials or weren't necessarily commissioned to by the government were going and digging up the dead bodies of nuns and priests and displaying them in churches in order to persecute Christians.
00:46:26.000And the government just wouldn't arrest them when they did it.
00:46:28.000Because, of course, they were perfectly happy to see them do that.
00:46:31.000And that's what we have in the United States today.
00:46:33.000Antifund, BLM run around burning down buildings, destroying people's lives, doing violence against innocent people.
00:46:39.000And even though they aren't technically owned or told to do this by the Democratic Party or the political establishment, it allows them to, so it's just the same.
00:46:46.000When people share an ideology, they don't need direct orders from top-down authority.
00:46:54.000If they all are looking for essentially the same result, which is to delegitimize the fundamental principles that the United States is built on, if they're looking for that result, All the tactics that they come up with, they're all acceptable.
00:47:09.000Tim's talking about diversity of tactics.
00:47:14.000When you go to a left-liberal protest, where there's thousands of people, you will see... Look, man, these people lie because in their worldview, Lying to accomplish your goal is fine.
00:47:44.000And I would ask them what that means, and they would say, well, not everybody agrees there's one way to bring about change, so if someone that we may not completely agree with how they're doing things, but we're mostly aligned politically, we just back off and let them do their thing.
00:47:57.000I want to point something out right now.
00:47:58.000October 7th, the attack in Israel, that was a diversity of tactics.
00:48:19.000Not every single person who is marching knows exactly what they're protesting, but they're all told the same thing by the organizers to respect the diversity of tactics.
00:48:30.000When a guy stands up with a megaphone and celebrates 5,000 rocket attacks exploding over Tel Aviv or hitting some of these hospitals or whatever, when they cheer for their resistance fighters, These other liberals who don't really know a lot are told, but you have to respect it.
00:48:46.000And so they may not 100% align, but they don't interfere as these people advocate for these things.
00:48:59.000But when you have people marching alongside pro-Hamas extremists, and these people don't care about Hamas, But they're holding up decolonize signs and clapping for the freedom fighters understand what their mentality is here in the United States.
00:49:13.000They would do exactly as Hamas did here to accomplish their goals.
00:49:18.000To the point where Hassan Piker on his show said, but some of those babies are settlers.
00:49:24.000In reference to the justification of killing settlers.
00:49:27.000Referencing that babies are also settlers.
00:49:30.000I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, I'd like to, but I think it's very dangerous when a dude has consistently been in support of... Like, look, when Hassan literally says that Hamas is just morally and legally in the right to do these things, to reclaim stolen land, and then adds, and babies are settlers, I just don't see why we should give him the benefit of the doubt.
00:49:53.000We also, you know, this is such an awkward topic because until you have a first-hand experience It is difficult to believe.
00:50:01.000Now, Julie, for example, you've sat in on so many trials, right?
00:50:04.000And we've talked a little bit about this.
00:50:07.000I mean, you almost feel like you're living in a surreal America, because you're seeing it, and yet it is a knowledge that is a little incommunicable.
00:50:16.000For me, like a turning point in my whole career was, you know, if you had asked me 10 years ago or 15 years ago, like, what's American politics in a nutshell?
00:50:24.000I would go, well, it's like a debating society.
00:50:27.000You've got the left, you've got the right, you have two different visions.
00:50:30.000These people value liberty, these people value equality, equality of rights, equality of outcomes, and you put these rival visions before the American people and the people choose.
00:50:41.000And sometimes they go this side, sometimes they go that side.
00:50:43.000And then when I was sitting across from the lawyers of the Obama DOJ, and I realized in this conversation I'm having with these guys that for a trivial offense, if they could have locked me up for ten years, they would have done it.
00:50:56.000And I realized, whoa, well that's a wrecking ball in my whole theory of American power.
00:51:01.000Or even all the guys I knew, you know, I lived in D.C.
00:51:07.000Dionne at the Washington Post, I knew guys at all the different, you know, liberal outlets, and I saw these guys in Trover Bookstore, I saw them in restaurants.
00:51:14.000When my case came up, they come up to me, they go, Dinesh, man, looks like you're really being shafted.
00:51:19.000I'd be like, okay, EJ, well, if I'm being shafted, you know, Megyn Kelly's saying that on Fox News, but it'd be really helpful if you said that in the Washington Post.
00:51:27.000Because for a liberal to defend me against Obama, eh, I got that kind of awkward, I can't really do that.
00:51:35.000And then you realize, again, that this is not quite the America you thought you were living in.
00:51:41.000No, politics is America's most extreme and crazy team sport.
00:51:45.000You have to be loyal to your side no matter what.
00:51:48.000And I think that's true on both sides.
00:51:49.000It's really easy to see where the left locks down.
00:51:52.000In some ways, they're more effective, right?
00:51:53.000They're able to get a lot of young people to go out and do their bidding by saying these trigger words and saying, colonizer, and then they all know exactly what side they're against.
00:52:01.000I also think that the right does this too, where there are some portions of the party where they say, I'm too afraid to say anything.
00:52:08.000I mean, that was what I found really interesting about the Freedom Caucus, right?
00:52:13.000All of these people started saying, these are our values, we have American First values, we want to push forward.
00:52:17.000And they gained traction even though the mainstream RNC was not super comfortable with it.
00:52:23.000Well, you know, they're being defeated and it feels pretty good, so... Hearing Kevin McCarthy elbowed Burchette in the back, I'm like, man, he's losing it!
00:52:33.000The stories that I've heard about the things the established Republicans have done to good Americans who wanted to serve this country, and sometimes serve it again, this time as public officers, good riddance!
00:52:44.000Good riddance to this extremism and tribalism.
00:52:48.000You know, I'll circle back a little bit to the Daily Wire here, because a thought just occurred to me with regard to the Candace business, and that is that Daily Wire has been out of sync with Trump, right?
00:52:57.000They've been kind of part of a never-Trump-er camp and so on, and they're a very successful company, but it's a little tricky for them as a brand.
00:53:06.000You're a very successful company, but you're out of sync with the mainstream of the Republican Party.
00:53:42.000The Daily Wire, there's always a little bit of a danger that they go the way of the National Review.
00:53:47.000The National Review dug in on anti-Trump, on Never Trump, would not back off, and pushed out Victor Davis Hanson, who was basically the one- A crime!
00:54:02.000Yeah, a lot of people right now are very critical of the Daily Wire, especially in our chat.
00:54:06.000But I hope this is worth at least something.
00:54:08.000Man, when I sit down with big corporate media companies and lawyers, and I've rejected all of them, it is the most annoying and insulting thing.
00:54:18.000I've had companies send me contracts where they're like, here's the deals you want to do.
00:54:44.000I hope this resolves itself, generates some press for him.
00:54:48.000It's not just about, you know, I know, I know them and I don't like it when people fight, but it really is also about If we're all in agreement on 90% of things, then come on, man.
00:54:58.000If the far left can all wear the same clothes and get away with committing crimes, we're not even anywhere, like, trying to advocate for anything close to that.
00:55:04.000We're just saying, guys, let's focus on the issues that we need to focus on and stop tearing each other down.
00:55:09.000Well, we want to build a parallel economy, and to do that, and we're in a hard business because people block you.
00:55:15.000You know, you can't advertise on YouTube, and you can't put your ads up on Facebook, and that Walmart won't sell your DVDs.
00:55:21.000So if you can build a successful company with that wind against you, you're doing something right.
00:55:27.000So that's... And I think there are, I mean, no matter what happens right now with the Daily Wire, they have done a lot Oh, I think we just lost your mic.
00:55:38.000I said that The Daily Wire has done positive things.
00:55:41.000We don't need a monolith of every single news organization or alternative media company saying exactly the same thing, but they themselves have to tolerate a little bit of diversity of thought.
00:57:08.000So, that was what my case was about, and the U.S.
00:57:12.000government would have liked to have locked me up for more than, as long as they could, but two years was the sort of statutory maximum, so they were going for it.
00:57:41.000And so, on top of all this, right, so this is a crime that, as you mentioned, people normally will get community service for, or it's not prosecuted, and not only do they send you to prison, but they have you do community service.
00:57:50.000And I'm sorry, they have you do re-education, basically.
00:57:52.000Re-education, a big fine, I mean, when I told people I had five years probation, there were guys in prison who were like coyotes, drug smugglers, I mean, people who had been for rape, and they were like, I got two years.
00:58:04.000They couldn't believe it, and I had great difficulty explaining.
00:58:07.000One of the key things about prison is, like, what are you in for?
00:58:10.000And part of the problem was I felt like I might, like, make all these enemies because none of them believed what I would say.
00:58:16.000They're like, whose money did you take?
00:58:18.000I'm like, no, no, no, I didn't take anybody's money.
00:58:28.000So I was 8 months in an overnight confinement center.
00:58:31.000So I was free in the day, but I checked in at 7 at night, and I would check out at 7 in the morning, and I slept in a dorm with 70 hardened criminals on a bunk bed.
00:58:56.000Yeah, well, no, I just want to mention this, because what you said is it would have helped you if people on the left would have stood up for you when you were the victim of an obvious political prosecution.
00:59:05.000What's very sad today is when people on the right are victims of political prosecution, people on the right won't even stand up for them.
00:59:12.000Prior to your case, who was politically prosecuted before you?
00:59:19.000I feel like you're the first kind of high-profile one, at least since the turn of the century.
00:59:23.000It was the first case, but interestingly at the time I saw it as a one-off.
00:59:27.000I mean, I did not see it as a prelude to Carter Page, Papadopoulos, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Trump, because the way I saw it was, okay, I made a movie on Obama, It was emotionally damaging because I went to the Obama family homestead.
00:59:45.000And I'm like, I know this guy's a vindictive narcissist.
00:59:48.000So I should have known there's going to be a big target on my back.
00:59:51.000But I didn't see the institutional creep that has occurred.
00:59:55.000The escalation under Biden of the police state has taken me by surprise.
00:59:59.000Do you feel like you were sort of a test case?
01:00:01.000They were seeing how they could test the law and apply it in this kind of scenario?
01:00:05.000Yeah, you know, I thought my case was a one-off, where Obama... I mean, and this is funny, because I go speak on campuses, right, and people would be like... I'd be like, I was targeted!
01:00:13.000And then people go, what makes you think Obama watched your stupid movie?
01:00:16.000And I go, well, the movie was in 2,000 theaters, and when the movie reached the second most successful political film ever made, I was being attacked every day on a website called barackobama.com.
01:00:28.000So that's kind of where I got the wacky idea that maybe Obama didn't like my film.
01:00:57.000started unjustly auditing them, and then we also know that Barack Obama charged more whistleblowers and journalists under the Espionage Act than all other presidents combined.
01:01:20.000Joe may be heavily influenced or puppeted by Obama, but let me say this.
01:01:26.000I know it's kind of tough because you got W. Bush, you got Iraq, you got Afghanistan, just horrible things.
01:01:32.000And you have, like, Bush's attempt at Presidential Directive 51, if you guys are familiar with that.
01:01:37.000But Barack Obama has, I don't know, like the National Defense Authorization Act, indefinite detention provisions, the persecution of journalists, the extrajudicial assassinations of American citizens.
01:01:59.000Fast and Furious sending guns to cartels.
01:02:01.000This is the most protected man in American history.
01:02:05.000and uh... part of it was the first black president that gave him an immediate sort of uh... halo and uh... and he's also one of the most ruthless so uh... i think it is still around yeah and and now he he he reflects a tendency that's brought on the left because you can tell whenever you're looking at stuff that the leftist do they know that they are above the law when jamal bowman pulled the fire extinguisher he removed the signs I bet it never crossed his mind, I'm going to be arrested, I'm going to be locked up, I'm going to be held for three months.
01:02:37.000He was probably insulted when he got arrested.
01:02:42.000Or look at those protesters, what was it, in which building, was it the Cannon building?
01:02:47.000I didn't see the slightest fear in their eyes that they're going to come in here, drag us to the floor, put us in solitary.
01:02:56.000They knew it was never going to happen.
01:02:57.000Do you think Barack Obama is a leftist or do you think he's a bad liberal?
01:03:02.000No, I think that this is a guy, and I've done a lot of work on Obama, I think this is a guy who is haunted by anti-colonial demons that came from his father.
01:03:14.000And his father was a very intoxicating, well he was intoxicated, he was drunk, but he was also a very captivating personality, a complete con artist.
01:03:26.000In Kenya, for example, he would frequently show up at public events pretending to be a minister of this, a minister of finance.
01:03:34.000He'd be up on the podium giving a speech when the real minister of finance would walk in the door.
01:03:38.000I mean, there's a comic aspect to this.
01:04:46.000You can't underestimate, I mean, the degree to which he has been influential, the authoritarian grasp and the things that he's been able to do are shocking.
01:04:55.000Well, you have Lisa Monaco, who was a long-time loyalist of his.
01:05:00.000His last Homeland Security advisor was Chief of Staff to Robert Mueller, and where is she now?
01:06:03.000Because I don't think the DNC wants Biden at all.
01:06:05.000So we have this line, I think it's one of the best lines in police state, where Darren Beattie is talking and he says, he goes in a police state, he goes, you normally know who's running it, right?
01:07:06.000I mean, there's this really great clip we have from a Joe Rogan experience with The Rock, where The Rock says, look, I got friends who support Trump, I got friends who support Biden, and then Joe goes, you actually have friends that support Joe Biden?
01:07:19.000And he goes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, The reason that they can't have him, though, is because of the gaffes that he's likely to do that are going to likely get worse.
01:08:06.000I think you're right, but I still think that the risk of having Joe Biden run again is because of how... because a failure on his part, a mistake, an error, shows that he's not the guy running the show.
01:08:18.000Well, that's what I was about to mention.
01:08:20.000Dinesh, you made this point about The U.S.
01:08:23.000almost being this strange kind of puppet state where we don't actually know who's in control behind the scenes.
01:08:26.000And this is something people always speculated might be the case, but then when Joe Biden came along, it just became obvious that at least in this administration, that definitely has to be the case.
01:08:35.000There's no way this guy's making decisions.
01:08:42.000I mean, he's in steep cognitive decline.
01:08:44.000It was pretty clear that there were times when Donald Trump would try to get something done and the bureaucracy itself would be working against him.
01:08:56.000And I think with Joe Biden, it is clear that whether or not Joe Biden says the right thing, the bureaucracy already knows what's going to happen.
01:09:03.000And he said it himself, they'll get mad at me if I say that.
01:09:17.000And if he wanted to, there's no way that Dr. Jill will let him leave the White House because she wants to stay First Lady more than I think he wants to be President.
01:09:52.000Look at the way that the Democrats with the straight face, and there's got to be a little part of them that's a little sheepish in saying this kind of stuff, but I mean, recently you saw on MSNBC, someone goes, well, Biden's more articulate than any functioning 45 year old, right?
01:10:08.000I mean, for someone to say that with a straight face.
01:10:14.000But with Democrats, they can count on a level of media rationalization, media protection,
01:10:24.000that will go to insane levels to defend these people.
01:10:30.000And I think they have gone out of their way to present themselves as, like, the best family they could, partially because they have so much baggage looking at you, Hunter.
01:10:36.000I mean, look back at Naomi Biden's wedding that got her spread in vogue, and the first picture you see is her and, you know, her grandmother Jill cuddled on the couch.
01:10:45.000They are trying to say we are this, like, ultimate American family and we are restoring the White House to this nice place.
01:10:51.000Oh, but I mean, look at the intellectual jujitsu, where you've got a family racket, and then they come out and go, well, I mean, this shows you that this man has just an absolutely immeasurable love for his kid.
01:11:10.000This Vogue shoot that I'm referencing, it's interesting because it was like right before Tiffany Trump's wedding at Mar-a-Lago, but also, Hunter's nowhere to be seen in it, right?
01:11:17.000The Bidens are basically trying to pass themselves off as this nice set of grandparents, skip a generation, and then they've got all these granddaughters, forget the grandsons, you know what I mean?
01:11:25.000Like, it's a weird family and they ultimately do these things to be palatable to the American people, to seem glamorous and desirable and to stay in the White House.
01:11:33.000So do you think Jill and Joe have kind of like a Bill Hillary thing going on here, where she's actually pulling the strings and he's just the face of the organization?
01:11:41.000Because he's honestly not a very good face, right?
01:11:44.000Bill Clinton has many flaws, but he had some charisma, so I could understand why someone like her would attach herself to him.
01:11:49.000In the 90s, he was maximally charismatic in the 90s.
01:11:52.000Still horrible back then, still a horrible man, but Joe was never charming.
01:12:21.000I think in the Clinton case, Hillary was sufficiently self-aware to realize that she could not make it across the finish line without Bill.
01:12:31.000So I think she signed up with Bill early on.
01:12:34.000She understood that this was a bargain, because it was going to come with a lot of baggage.
01:12:41.000But Hillary was like, that's okay, because I've got my eye on power.
01:12:45.000And in the end, if I become kind of Bill's cover-up man, There are similar conversations had about Jackie Kennedy and JFK, that she was aware of some of his, you know, less desirable qualities, specifically philandering, and that she chose anyways not to seek political office, but generally to seek social capital and power.
01:13:06.000We have this tweet that Phil had actually retweeted from Yasher Ali.
01:13:10.000He tweets, over the past 24 hours, thousands of TikToks, at least, have been posted where people share how they just read Bin Laden's infamous letter to America in which he explained why he attacked the United States.
01:13:21.000The TikToks are from people of all ages, races, ethnicities, and backgrounds.
01:13:24.000Many of them say that reading the letter has opened their eyes and they'll never see geopolitical matters the same way again.
01:13:29.000Many of them, and I've watched a lot, say it has made them reevaluate their perspective on how what is often labeled as terrorism can be a legitimate form of resistance to a hostile power.
01:13:41.000Similar videos have been posted on other social media platforms.
01:13:43.000The Guardian did a copy of Letter to America posted, but once these TikToks went viral, The Guardian took it down, which has only led to more interest in the letter and conspiracies from TikTokers who say this is part of the media and the powers that control it trying to silence the truth.
01:13:59.000And my takeaway from this, my personal perspective, TikTok wants to foster a pro-Hamas, pro-terror, anti-West decolonizer.
01:14:09.000This is why I have been in favor of banning TikTok.
01:14:14.000The free speech, the first amendment, all that, that applies to the United States, and if foreign entities are attacking us and trying to subvert the country, then we do something about it.
01:14:22.000Maybe banning isn't the answer, but something must be done.
01:14:24.000And you get these Republicans who are like, they're spying on our data.
01:14:27.000And I'm like, oh, I don't care about that.
01:14:29.000I care about TikTok promoting thousands of letters to America bin Laden perspectives on 9-11 to young people.
01:14:37.000The important thing about TikTok isn't that China may be collecting data.
01:14:43.000It's that people are being fed information and the like button is such a massive, massive influence on people.
01:14:51.000If they make And they're algorithms manipulated.
01:14:54.000We know that their equivalent app feeds very different things to their young people than it does to American young people.
01:15:00.000That is a huge amount of influence and control to give over.
01:15:02.000We talk about the fact that you shouldn't send your kids to public schools because you're giving their teachers a sort of unfettered chance to shape their brains, but you buy them a smartphone and let them get on TikTok.
01:15:10.000And if kids are getting this kind of stuff fed to them all the time, in conjunction with not getting a civics education about how our government works, why things are the way they are, if you tell a kid that we're a democracy from when they're 5 years old until they're 18 years old, and they think we're a democracy, and then there's a president that is elected and doesn't get the majority vote, They're going to think, oh, this is terrible.
01:15:36.000If they understood how our system works, they wouldn't have this massive negative reaction to it.
01:15:42.000They'd be like, well, it works this way, and I understand why.
01:15:45.000The ignorance that people have about our own government, our own fundamental principles that our country is founded on, and how our government works, is probably the worst thing that is going on in the politics today, is the ignorance people have about the way that our system works.
01:16:02.000Are there riots going on right now at the DNC?
01:16:36.000Greg Price tweets, This is currently happening outside the DNC headquarters in Washington.
01:16:40.000Far-left pro-Palestine rioters are clashing with police trying to enter the building.
01:16:44.000It's really funny that I'm pulling this up in the middle of our young people are being manipulated into supporting terror.
01:16:50.000Yeah, you know what, I'll offer a couple thoughts about this, because it actually flashes my mind to, right after 9-11, as you know, TV went off the air, and then the next Monday was the first time it was back on, and I was on with Bill Maher.
01:17:07.000I was on Bill Maher's show, Politically Incorrect.
01:17:09.000Had you already been scheduled to be there?
01:17:48.000I said, it takes something to be able to fly a plane into a building.
01:17:53.000Just like if you tell me to get in my car right now and drive into a concrete structure, I'm going to be a little reluctant to do that.
01:18:00.000And then Bill Maher went on to say, well, I think our military are the real cowards, because we sit 4,000 miles away and press a button and kill people in other countries.
01:18:08.000And that got all the veterans against him and so on.
01:18:49.000Yes, they are basically themselves part of the problem.
01:18:53.000I got a video right here, sorry, I'm just watching these breaking clips, where this woman says our own party is attacking peaceful protesters and etc.
01:20:16.000I don't see how they could drop 2.5 points over the Palestine stuff, but I think it'll be more substantial.
01:20:22.000I think what we're going to end up seeing now, with these viral videos, you're going to see subversive right-wing accounts targeting the left by replaying clips like this of Democrats attacking pro-Palestine protesters in an effort to fracture the youth vote for Democrats.
01:20:58.000And they will not sacrifice AIPAC and the Jewish community.
01:21:01.000No, they're going to go the way that the soccer moms will vote, because that's who really kind of wins for the Democrats, regardless of... Like, when soccer moms voted for Trump and they voted Republican, the Democrats lost because of it.
01:21:17.000Your average soccer mom that is a suburban mother that has kids in school, that's the core of the Democrat Party.
01:21:25.000And they influence not just them, it's not just them, but they influence the whole household.
01:21:30.000So I think they're still going to focus... How do you explain the enthusiasm of the Democrats for not just the trans issue, but all kinds of extreme perversion that can't possibly go down very well with soccer moms?
01:21:41.000I think that mostly it's leftists that are pushing that stuff.
01:21:45.000But why doesn't the Democratic Party go, we want nothing to do with this?
01:21:48.000Because they've been too afraid to actually stand up and take the heat, because you do have to take heat when you stand up against what amounts to the LGBT lobby.
01:21:55.000It's not just, you know, you're not just saying, oh, this is bad, so you're You're taking the fact that it is a mean quote-unquote perspective to say no we should have limits on what kind of stuff can be our children can be exposed to and then to top it off you've got the fact that there's a whole lobby pushing against it.
01:22:15.000Look, suburban moms are going to vote the way that The View tells them to vote.
01:22:54.000You know, these are all first world problems that people are having because our society is so successful, even now with like a downturn in the economy or we're in recession, even though the government doesn't want to want to admit it.
01:23:05.000But we're still a very successful society, a very wealthy society where we can have luxury beliefs or take time out to do activism and stuff like that.
01:23:15.000I just want to say Pew Research has, in 2018, 11% of 18-29 year olds were voters, and in 2022 it was 10% of 18-29 year olds.
01:23:20.000Wait, 10% of the votes they received came from 18-29 year olds?
01:23:21.000voters and in 2022 it was 10% of 18-29 year olds.
01:23:56.000Now again, a year is an eternity in electoral politics.
01:23:59.000I'll try and find 2020 and 2016 because this is obviously a mid-cycle election.
01:24:06.000Phil, you mentioned this idea of luxury beliefs.
01:24:09.000I think that's a perfect way of putting it, and that summarizes a lot of the values of the Democratic Party today, and just left-wing individuals, generally speaking.
01:24:15.000The idea that you have time to get worked up over whether someone's using your they-them pronouns when you're clearly a man or clearly a woman, because all of your basic needs are so readily met that you can meditate on all the ways that you consider yourself to be special, and then be up in arms when other people don't acknowledge that.
01:24:33.000It's a very real problem, and one thing I've also noticed is even when When you're not talking about people who have those specific values or view themselves in that way, I think once people have their needs met, and particularly once they become wealthy, and the wealthier they become, I have found the more of an inordinate, unhealthy emphasis they place on their reputation
01:24:54.000And I think it gets worse, oftentimes, the more money people have, it becomes more of a temptation.
01:24:59.000I'm not saying it's always the case, it's just something I've noticed, generally speaking.
01:25:02.000And so, once your country becomes very affluent, I think this stuff really starts to seep in.
01:25:06.000It's the typical good times create weak men scenario.
01:25:10.000Yeah, I think the other element of it is the re-emergence of a kind of aristocratic sensibility.
01:25:18.000So, the aristocratic sensibility is, I'm riding my horse, and here's a peasant, and he's saying something annoying, and my natural attitude is, shut up, peasant, you shouldn't be able to speak, right?
01:25:29.000So, there's an authoritarianism there, which arises out of the idea that I am a superior human being, and an inferior creature has deigned to challenge me.
01:25:39.000This is like unacceptable on principle, right?
01:25:42.000So, I think that, because think about it, if it is true that we have these luxury beliefs, You don't need a police state.
01:25:49.000You could let the Republicans do what they want.
01:26:12.000And the last time I was on the show, I mentioned something similar, which is that the reason they have to resort to using the legal system is because people no longer trust the media.
01:26:21.000If they could enforce their hegemony just by saying the acceptable perspectives on television and having people believe them, they would not have locked you up, they would not be threatening and pursuing legal action against Donald Trump and the people surrounding him, they would just assassinate their character in the media.
01:26:40.000But that doesn't work anymore because nobody trusts the media for good reason, so now they actually have to find these legal solutions.
01:26:46.000I just want to say, sorry, the Tufts estimates that 50% of 18 to 29 year olds voted in 2020
01:26:54.000and that's up 11 points from 2016 when they said 39% of 18 to 29 year olds.
01:26:58.000So it's high, it's much higher during a presidential election year.
01:27:02.000Julie, do you think that what Seamus was saying, when they use the law, do you think that reinforces the message that they're trying to put out?
01:27:12.000Because I feel like it's a combination of what Seamus was saying, because I do think that's real, but I think that the reason that they went after you, Dinesh, and why they're going after January 6th is to kind of put an extra stamp on of validity to what essentially amounts to bunk charges.
01:27:28.000Most of the stuff that people at January 6th are charged with, the vast majority of it is garbage.
01:27:33.000The vast majority of the political prosecutions that we see, the parents in Virginia that were prosecuted, the FBI looking at people, The IRS looking at conservatives, Dinesh here, obviously.
01:27:46.000These were all things that were essentially fabricated so that the government could use, or so that the government could use the force of government against the private sector.
01:27:55.000And so, as you point out, the media would be enough, but I feel like the use of the government is to kind of put a stamp on it, like, we've said this, this is the message, and if you get out of line, we will use the government to repair your opinion.
01:28:12.000Obama said at one point, he said something like, you know, we've got all these outlets, but there's a whole group of Americans that we can't reach.
01:28:19.000And I think what he meant is the Americans who are like on Breitbart, they listen to, you know, War Room and Tim Pool and they read Dinesh's books.
01:28:26.000So I think the goal, if I think back to my case, what was their real goal?
01:28:31.000The real goal was to destroy my career.
01:28:35.000To sort of disable me and people don't want me to speak, publishers don't want to publish my books.
01:28:40.000So I realized that early on and I said to myself, at the end of the day, if I can come out of it and my career is bigger than it was before I went in, then I win.
01:28:50.000If I basically become somebody where I'm now begging to speak and nobody wants me to speak, then they win.
01:28:56.000The fact that you have had success after this is something that at least theoretically could have dissuaded them from trying the same tactic in the future.
01:29:04.000Unfortunately, I don't think it has as much, but if they were able to just totally destroy your career, I think they would have done this way more.
01:29:28.000You had Ted Cruz, who went to Donald Trump and asked Trump to pardon me.
01:29:32.000So she goes, you had resources available to you that January 6th defendants and moms at school board meetings and pro-life activists do not have.
01:29:41.000And I think we can see the ruthless way in which some of those people's lives have just been stamped down.
01:29:49.000So, Phil, to your point, I mean, they are weaponizing statutes like obstruction of an official proceeding, 1512c2, which was passed after the Enron scandal, and it dealt with evidence tampering.
01:30:02.000Well, now it's been charged against more than 300 January 6th defendants.
01:30:08.000And it's never been used in this way, and you have the DC Appellate Court, who a slim majority upheld the use of this 1512c2 against 300 plus January Sixers.
01:30:18.000It's one of the counts in Jack Smith's indictment against Donald Trump.
01:30:22.000But the weaponization of that, what they've done is use that now to criminalize political dissent.
01:30:28.000So it's moved away from its original intent, which everyone knows what it was, and now it can be used if you disrupt a, you know, proceeding in Congress or any federal government meeting.
01:30:41.000It won't just be Congress, it will be everywhere.
01:30:43.000And it will be prosecuted selectively as well.
01:31:22.000He's going to use his DOJ to go after his political foes.
01:31:26.000There are people that already have campaign signs.
01:31:30.000There's someone from New Jersey that's running.
01:31:32.000I think he's a congressperson in New Jersey.
01:31:34.000He was talking about how Donald Trump is saying that he's gonna make an authoritarian blah blah blah and he's got a tank in his ad and stuff.
01:31:41.000I put it up on my Twitter account using the, underneath the picture of Joe Biden when he had the red background and the Marines behind him because I wanted to draw the contrast.
01:31:50.000But there's already people that are using that exact Exact talking point that you guys just pointed out.
01:32:10.000He said a clown with a flamethrower still has a flamethrower and so we're working on that t-shirt right now.
01:32:15.000It's gonna be Trump with flamethrower to the swamp.
01:32:18.000Also, again, because Trump is basically saying two can play at that game, all they're doing is projecting here and telling you what they would like to do.
01:32:48.000They will start to say, well, we want revenge, right?
01:32:51.000Not only do we want revenge, but we recognize that, I mean, if the Democrat is acting like the bully, right?
01:32:58.000Every time you see a kid, and the kid wants to be a nice guy, and he wants to make peace, and you bludgeon him, well, then the kid gets five of his friends, and then they go, okay, well, let's ambush the bully, you know, and kick him in the shins.
01:33:11.000Because what is the other way to stop this?
01:33:36.000He wrote a paper called Repressive Tolerance in the 60s, and it essentially boils down to, it's okay when the left does it, and the right must be censored, even at the level of thought.
01:33:49.000And that's the world that we live in now, and you see it all the time, the way that the law is applied to people with different political opinions.
01:33:58.000It is clear That it's being applied to conservatives and people that are just outside of what is acceptable opinion.
01:34:08.000Because you don't have to be particularly conservative, all you have to do is push back against the narrative.
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01:34:53.000Tim, I used to think the worst part about Star Trek The Next Generation was Tasha Yar dying, but now I've been convinced it's Wil Wheaton.
01:35:00.000You know, we were just talking about that yesterday.
01:35:03.000Uh, you know, yeah, sorry, you know, Wil Wheaton, just not... I feel bad for him, because I feel like, you know, not for who he is today, but back then, he gets asked if he wants to play this role, it's supposed to be this super smart kid, and everyone hated the character, and it's probably just... it must suck to get sidelined like that.
01:35:21.000Anyway, Matthew Hammond says, Tim proposed a beef between himself and Cassandra over Israel.
01:35:27.000May I recommend the names you call each other?
01:35:29.000Tim Fentz-Settlerpool and Cassandra Westbanks-McDonald.
01:35:35.000I said, hey Cassandra, we should have a fake beef over Israel to generate press attention.
01:35:38.000And people were like, are you implying that Ben and Candace are faking it?
01:35:41.000And I'm like, I'm implying it's generating a lot of attention for them.
01:35:44.000I'm not- I don't know if they're faking it or not, but I was like, that's the joke, that I would be like, oh, Cassandra, how dare you, woo, and then, you know.
01:35:51.000Someone said something like, I'm- I am unwilling to call out Ben Shapiro for his obvious, like, failures or whatever, because I'm more concerned with being friendly or friends with him, and I'm like, I barely know Ben Shapiro.
01:36:02.000We've interviewed him one time, I've talked to him a couple times, and it really just comes down to, I don't know or care enough about Israel to criticize Ben Shapiro for, like, I agree with a lot of what Candace is saying about America First, but I'm not gonna be like, well, here's something I don't know all that much about, and I'm gonna come at you, Ben, or I'm gonna be like, well, I don't know.
01:36:23.000I think some people do that because they're pretending like they're doing the right thing, but it actually is for the engagement on Twitter.
01:36:29.000Not everybody, but I think that's sort of where the audience has gotten confused.
01:36:35.000I think also that some of the imputation that sort of Ben is not concerned about America because he cares about Israel, I think that Ben genuinely believes that Israel is the outpost of Western civilization in an extremely hostile region and that the attack on Israel is part of a larger attack on America and the West.
01:36:59.000You know, Mike Cernovich had a great tweet, I just retweeted it, where he said something to the effect of, imagine if, you see these people that care so deeply about Israel and this, you know, this fervor, imagine if Americans had that same degree of fervor for America.
01:37:12.000And I'm like, I've been talking about Israel-Palestine derangement syndrome, where people just go to 11 instantly, and I'm like, that's a really great point.
01:37:20.000I would love it if people had that fervor for the United States.
01:37:31.000I think it's also the case that in the case of Israel and in the case of Jews, they do have a weapon that is not available, for example, to whites, which is the anti-Semitic weapon.
01:37:41.000Because when the left goes, you're a settler, you can play back, you're an anti-Semite.
01:37:47.000But let's say someone comes and says, you're a white supremacist.
01:39:03.000I am going to look into a company that manufactures stuffed figurines, or animals, or whatever, and see what we can come up with, and we are going to make the Woke Collection Christmas ornament series.
01:39:14.000There is some niche Etsy shop that is like, I need to find their email immediately.
01:39:18.000You know someone has been doing this for a while!
01:39:20.000There's a bunch of Reddit posts where, like, I tweeted, WTIFF, how is this real?
01:39:24.000And it's funny because it does show the isolation the left lives in, because the response from all these comments where they were like, I thought Christians thought this, I thought the Bible said this, and I'm sitting here like, I'm not a Christian, like, why are they assuming?
01:39:36.000Because they don't know anything about me.
01:39:38.000They're probably wrong about what the Bible says, too.
01:39:40.000And they're saying things like, haha, Tim Pool is so mad about the- MAD!
01:40:29.000I'm legit, I want to buy a bunch of these, but I would rather do our own Timcast collection and have a variety of options, like maybe, you know, veteran... Focus.
01:40:39.000Well, sure, we could do a focus, but I mean, like, making semi-real and semi-fake ones, just going all across the board with it.
01:40:45.000Elves that have seen brutal war and combat and, you know, PTSD-triggered characters.
01:41:16.000I don't know, but the person they hired is definitely someone that conservatives would likely frown upon considering the history there now.
01:41:23.000We got Jackie Octavius says, Your conversation about homelessness kind of surprised me.
01:41:28.000I'm living out of my truck for work, super cheap.
01:41:31.000The conversation we were having, which has now come up again in Super Chats, is that many of these leftists seem to think that you can take a homeless person, put them in a house, and problem solved.
01:41:38.000However, the issue is that that's technically the truth.
01:41:41.000However, that only applies to homeless people who are homeless by unfortunate circumstance and are desperately trying not to be.
01:41:47.000Whereas the reason you never encounter that is because if somebody loses their job and gets kicked out, they instantly go to a shelter and say, I need help, and within a week or two, they are placed somewhere and not homeless anymore.
01:41:59.000But the people we see on the streets in San Francisco and in Sacramento and Los Angeles and many other places, Chicago even, they are people who do not want to be in buildings.
01:42:09.000So there's no real solution to that except for, I guess, forceful removal or like blocking of the homeless.
01:42:16.000I wanna know when the non-profit starts to get all of the millennials and zoomers doing van life houses, you know?
01:42:22.000They start being like, you guys technically qualify as homeless, we'll help you get a house!
01:42:25.000And then they look like they're doing a good job, because those people would probably give it up easily.
01:42:28.000I'm not your... Sorry, I'm not your buddy guy says, Dinesh, you did an amazing job with Police State, and I gotta say, even as a Canadian, I was moved by that ending.
01:42:39.000So the ending he's talking about, and it actually is thanks to Julie here, Julie in the movie talks about the fact that the January 6th prisoners sing the Star Spangled Banner at 9 p.m.
01:42:52.000So at the closing of the movie I say, in honor of the January 6th political prisoners and political prisoners around the world, this is actually, I say, and then we have a scene where you have one guy in a cell And he starts to sing, and then a second guy joins, and a third guy joins, into a kind of a resounding chorus, but there's a sadness to it.
01:43:14.000And I think that's what really moves people.
01:43:16.000It's the Star Spangled Banner rendered in a combination of triumph and mourning.
01:44:27.000The dude didn't get where he is by being bad at what he does.
01:44:30.000I don't think this is going to be the biggest thing impacting The Daily Wire or Ben Shapiro.
01:44:34.000That's why when people are like, why won't you call out Ben, or why aren't you telling Cassandra she can't say these things?
01:44:39.000And I'm like, dude, in three months we're going to be talking about a new book that came out and was put in schools.
01:44:43.000America matters substantially more to me than what's going on in Israel, but I'll always pretty much be an anti-intervention and America first.
01:44:50.000If you listen to Ben's show, like, it's not a surprise.
01:44:53.000His attitude towards this, like, it is completely predictable.
01:44:57.000He's always been pretty hawkish when it comes to Israel, so, I mean, if you don't like that, that's understandable, but, like, it shouldn't come as a surprise to people that Ben's acting like this.
01:45:11.000Sarge, if this is your fault, you're fired.
01:45:30.000Michael Beacon says, so crazy DaPap followed the state's Christmas list of groups and figures they hate, despite living in a house with BLM and Antifa signs all over it.
01:45:39.000And then he also got on the stand and described in great detail his conspiracy to go after other people who are completely unrelated to his crime, as if to implicate him further for some reason.
01:45:53.000Triton54 says, can we please get a cartoon where Candace interviews for a position with TimCast, The Young Turks, Shoe on Head, and Ladder with Crowder?
01:45:59.000Ooh, there might have to be a cartoon about this whole ordeal.
01:46:02.000We've got, so, tomorrow's cartoon's gonna be hilarious, and we have one planned for next week, too, for Thanksgiving, but...
01:46:08.000If people are still talking about this, if people are still talking about this by the time we have to do another tune, I definitely want to try to figure out an angle for it.
01:46:16.000Seamus and I were colluding on a Christmas one.
01:46:18.000Yeah, there's this idea that I had that I kind of pitched to Tim and then he was coming up with ideas for it and we were riffing on it.
01:46:24.000It's super funny, but I don't want to spoil it.
01:46:27.000That's why I was bringing Seamus to the show.
01:46:44.000Ethan Helm says, Candace confidently but wrongly said Muslims can only live in one area of Jerusalem, so Israel doesn't seem like a very free place to her.
01:46:52.000I think this is the pseudo-intellectualism Ben is mad at, not so much about her questioning on U.S.
01:46:59.000I think, you know, Candace has said a lot of things that are... Basically, what people are saying is that when she posts a Bible verse, we know what she's referring to when she said, "'Blessed are the peacemakers.'"
01:47:11.000Right now, contextually, it sounds like she's basically saying, "'Cease fire,' or something to that effect, for which Ben is like, "'Okay, dude, I know what you're doing.'"
01:47:21.000Or, I mean, interestingly, when I first saw that post, and admittedly, I haven't been following, like, the blow-by-blow, I interpreted it completely differently.
01:47:30.000I actually interpreted that Candace was trying to mend fences with Ben, and that the blessed of the peacemakers are like, let's not let this get out of hand.
01:47:37.000I took it that way, but I now see the possibility of reading it in the AOC way, which was... Wouldn't it be so brutal if Candace was actually trying to make a statement about not wanting to be mad with Ben?
01:47:52.000Perhaps what she was saying was, she saw the clip from Ben who said, it's disgraceful, and then she said, what am I supposed to say to Ben?
01:47:59.000And someone was like, nah, bless the other peacemakers.
01:48:01.000I'm going to tweet, bless the other peacemakers.
01:48:03.000Thinking that she was basically saying, I will not get into a fight with you over this.
01:48:06.000And then he got into a fight with her over it!
01:48:09.000And then Shapiro tweeted back, First Timothy 2.12.
01:48:13.000It was the verse I had brought up earlier.
01:48:36.000But the context of it is, Paul is writing to Timothy at the church in Ephesus about practices in church, and this is basically something that means women are not supposed to be in the role of a cleric.
01:48:47.000They're not supposed to be teaching in church or giving homilies.
01:48:52.000It's how Seamus told me in Catholicism to stop talking.
01:48:57.000But he wasn't going to take my great advice that he solicited.
01:49:19.000As soon as the cameras go off, it's a totally different thing.
01:49:23.000We got a good super chat here from Paul Taskelos.
01:49:25.000He says, Daily Wire has proven Crowder was right.
01:49:28.000He broke the biggest story of the year, the Trans Manifesto, which Facebook, Instagram, YouTube censored.
01:49:34.000Under a Daily Wire contract, Crowder would have been financially penalized for the best journalism of 2023.
01:49:38.000That is a very, very interesting point.
01:49:43.000That was in January when this stuff went down, and the contract he showed, or it was a terms sheet, it wasn't the full contract, it was basically like, are we going to agree to these things, said that he would lose money if he got suspended or banned or anything like that.
01:49:59.000That would mean that... He couldn't have done what he did.
01:50:02.000He would have had to have come forward and say, okay, we're... well, to be fair, he already lost money.
01:50:07.000By releasing this and getting these videos taken down, he's gonna get hit all the same, but it would negatively impact his entire contract, which is probably more money, contract-wise, than straight-up advertising-wise, right?
01:50:18.000He can find ways to make up lost revenue in that regard, but if his contract is his contract and it penalizes him, there's no other... there's no increase.
01:50:24.000Yeah, I mean the economic model of The Daily Wire is to pay you very well for five years and to lock you into a pretty long duration and then moneyball style to increase the value of your brand in that time so that there's a huge financial premium and it makes a lot of sense.
01:50:43.000I mean it's a very smart business from their point of view.
01:50:45.000And then when you leave, they've built your brand up.
01:50:47.000They've built your brand up and you can take it with you, absolutely.
01:50:50.000It's reminiscent of what record labels do.
01:50:52.000Yeah, I mean a record label takes a band that they think that's got something going and they add money and promotion and advertising.
01:51:00.000The band goes out and however long the contract is, some are better, some are worse, but after a few records or whatever, if you survive as a band and become a viable entity, you can get off, you can decide to not sign another deal and you've got a career that you've built.
01:51:14.000The record label, your career, would not be the same without the record label almost every time.
01:51:22.000Like, there are some bands that hit it off and do stuff without record label backing, but most of the time, bands wouldn't get to the level that they get to without the record labels in the very beginning.
01:52:03.000There's a very prominent YouTuber I was talking to who said that he does all the work by himself for the most part, and his staff is mostly like administrative paperwork and stuff like that.
01:52:11.000And I said, wouldn't it be easier if you just hired like a camera operator or something?
01:52:14.000And he was like, man, the amount of money you have to pay to get someone good enough to do the job is insane, because you have to pay them more than they could make on their own by doing social media.
01:52:23.000Which is then, I'm going to lose money by doing it.
01:52:26.000That's one of the things I talked about.
01:52:27.000Yeah, I mean, it used to be that you had, and I think back just to my early career, when I was at AEI, the brand was AEI.
01:53:00.000This is why I'll give a shout out to Tenet Media.
01:53:03.000We're doing the Culture War podcast now officially at Tenet, Friday mornings, and I don't want to speak too much about their business, and I think in time more will come out, but basically the general idea is bringing together a whole bunch of personalities, and it's effectively a massive cross-promotional independent network that I think is going to be really, really epic.
01:53:21.000Betty Johnson, Dave Rubin, me, Taylor Hanson, Lauren Southern, and a bunch of other people.
01:53:28.000We actually need a lot more of this, because what happens, and a film is a good example of this, is that we're not big enough for the film to travel on its own.
01:53:39.000One reason I went to Dan Bongino, I mean, people go, well, you went to Dan Bongino because he's a former MIPD officer and he's a Secret Service agent, and I go, yeah, but he also happens to have a massive following, and so teaming up with Bongino takes my following and takes Dan Bongino's following, and now we've got a viable movie, whereas otherwise I'm traveling all on my own.
01:53:59.000So the thing with Tenet, and I'll just say, with like Reuben and Benny Johnson, they're massive forces on their own, as is Timcast.
01:54:07.000And people are like, why would you do a show with a different network?
01:54:10.000Because when Benny puts out a documentary, and we put out a Culture War, then the people who watch Culture War and don't know Benny will then see his documentary, and the people who watch his documentary but don't watch us will then see us, and our company still exists.
01:54:20.000It is created, effectively, like a supergroup band.
01:54:24.000So, uh, that's how I kind of thought about it.
01:54:26.000When you have, you know, these big bands and then a bunch of different members form, like, a traveling Wilbur's or something, I was like, I think this could be wildly beneficial for everybody involved.
01:54:35.000So when it came together, I was like, this is awesome.
01:54:38.000I mean, I see right here, this is the formula for getting, for becoming bigger than Fox News.
01:54:43.000Because Fox News, at one point, was the pathway for every conservative book.
01:54:50.000And then when Fox News sort of took a kind of curved road, everyone was left helpless, including us.
01:54:57.000I mean, our earlier films, we were massively promoted on Fox News, and then they decided, because they're scared of election fraud, don't mention 2000 Mules, and it now carries over to Police State.
01:55:06.000Not a single Fox show, not a single Fox host has mentioned the movie.
01:55:12.000They're very selective about who to vote for.
01:55:14.000Yeah, so it creates a pressing need to build an alternative empire that is bigger than Fox.
01:55:19.000And this may well be the recipe, or at least the start of the recipe, to do it.
01:55:24.000I've mentioned this on the show before, but It's almost as if at this point what's happened is CNN tells you what you're supposed to believe and then Fox tells you what you're allowed to believe.
01:55:35.000So if you don't believe what CNN believes, you don't buy it all.
01:55:37.000Okay, well there's this other like limited category of things you can believe but we don't love it.
01:55:42.000Then once you're outside of the Fox territory, now you're like a totally radical, conspiracy theorist.
01:55:53.000All of our articles, whenever we read a story, is NewsGuard certified.
01:55:57.000And the reason we do it is, despite having serious issues with them, is something fascinating happened when they were trying to rate TimCast.com and our news sources, and they said that one of the stories we published, a couple of them, were fake news.
01:56:11.000Here are NewsGuard-certified sources that we used for the basis of this story.
01:56:16.000If your own certification is not good enough, then by what criteria can we determine whether or not something is true or false?
01:56:22.000And they immediately had to backtrack and say, okay, well, it's true.
01:56:24.000And it was like a Hunter Biden laptop thing that many in the mainstream media were trying to claim was disinformation.
01:56:29.000And so what's happening now, they are being sued by Consortium News.
01:56:33.000Real Clear Politics just published this big article about what's going on.
01:56:38.000I believe right now, it's relatively cursory, but I believe Any organization that has ever, in any way, worked with, complied, or altered their news at the request of NewsGuard should be severed from any kind of public funding.
01:56:51.000NewsGuard should be not allowed to contract.
01:56:55.000So what happened is, according to this lawsuit, the Pentagon has actually contracted NewsGuard for verification services, which means you now have a government-funded entity which is determining what is true or false in the public sphere.
01:57:08.000Like we saw with the Election Integrity Partnership, this is crossing the line and violating the First Amendment.
01:57:13.000And I will clarify, Tim Kast has told NewsGuard, we will comply with your ethics standards for a good rating.
01:57:23.000Like, I have no problem issuing corrections.
01:57:25.000However, NewsGuard told us, because we ran a couple articles quoting Donald Trump, we were irresponsible and would receive a strike for it.
01:57:34.000And even if we corrected them, there was no correction.
01:58:03.000Meanwhile, Consortium News pointed out that with 20,000 articles, NewsGuard had no problem except for six articles and gave them a strike down to 49%.
01:58:11.000So, I just want to say this right now.
01:58:14.000I'm hoping that every single news outlet that has been labeled by NewsGuard Begins the process, or however we do it, of a class action lawsuit for widespread, massive First Amendment violations and defamation, libel, etc.
01:58:30.000I mean, look at the extent of the police state thuggery involved, right?
01:58:34.000I mean, it's almost like in the old dictatorial regimes, it was really simple.
01:58:39.000In the Nazi regime, you have Minister of Propaganda Goebbels.
01:58:43.000He issues the press release and everybody has to say the same thing.
01:58:46.000And if you don't, you're going to be arrested.
01:58:48.000Our police state, I mean think about it, the censorship industry involves academia, the media, it involves the non-profits, the digital platforms, innumerable agencies of the government all operating in this kind of like an octopus with like eighteen tentacles.
01:59:07.000So rooting it out becomes more difficult because you can't just get rid of gerbils.
01:59:12.000You've got to sort of go into this thing and just like Pull it apart!
01:59:17.000Well, I think that's, too, why there was such intense blowback to any contradictory reporting about January 6th, because they really believed that no one was going to challenge that narrative, that everyone was going to fall in line, this was an insurrection, it should result in the end of Donald Trump and the entire MAGA movement.
01:59:37.000They really thought, and I mean the corporate media still is going along with that, so whenever you post something or write something that exposes Something that they're covering up or not reporting on.
01:59:49.000They are hysterical because they really thought after that day they would impeach him.
02:00:13.000Before 2000 Mules, my last film, it was deafeningly asserted in every media outlet that the 2020 election was the most secure election in US history.
02:00:25.000As I went out talking about that movie and raising simple questions like, well, if it was the most secure election in history, where's the comparison of the amount of fraud between 2020 and, let's say, 2016, 2012, 2008?
02:00:37.000Show me that comparison that someone has done showing me that the 2020 election had the least amount of fraud.
02:00:43.000Not only has that never been proven, it's never been, to my knowledge, attempted.
02:01:17.000There was some, but not enough to change the election.
02:01:19.000The Election Integrity Partnership, or whatever it was called, so we're now seeing that there was direct government involvement in trying to suppress opinions.
02:01:26.000They called me a super-spreader of information, and my position has been exactly as you described.
02:01:34.000I think people have pointed out a lot of instances of fraud, but I don't know how many of these lead to the actual, this election should have gone the other way.
02:01:41.000The most important thing is that a judge listens to the lawsuits from Donald Trump and his team, and they're adjudicated properly on the merits.
02:02:05.000For this, the government colluded with universities to silence my speech, lying about what I was saying.
02:02:12.000The mere thought that Donald Trump would simply ask the question in court and ask a judge to run the merits was so threatening to them that this is insane to learn this.
02:02:21.000The government, we had, who was it on the show last week?
02:02:24.000They said, you know that you're in these documents, right, Tim?
02:02:26.000And I know that they released a report that included my name, and I got smeared in the press by all over the place, and I was shocked to see this list that came out, putting in like the top 15 or whatever super spreaders of misinformation, because I'm like, but hold on!
02:02:37.000All of my sources are certified by NewsGuard.
02:02:40.000I never said Trump actually won the election, not once.
02:02:43.000The mere thought that you would be like, oh okay, let's see Trump's argument, that was too much.
02:02:48.000You had to say in every way, Trump's wrong and he's lying, and if you didn't, The government came after you.
02:03:26.000It's not that bad, it's just by the time I get home and go to bed, I've got to wake up at seven in the morning, so it's like we better head back.
02:03:39.000We'll live stream out the window as we drive past the riots.
02:03:43.000You can follow the show at TimCastIRL, you can follow me personally at TimCastEverywhere.
02:03:46.000Dinesh, do you want to shout anything out?
02:03:48.000Yeah, PoliceStateFilm.net is the website.
02:03:54.000We're being blocked on Amazon and Walmart, so that's the place you can stream it to your big screen TV, you can buy DVDs, very good for gifts.
02:04:02.000This is a movie that will shake you up, so I urge you to watch it.
02:04:07.000Julie, do you want to shout anything out?
02:04:09.000I'm just going to back up what Dinesh said.
02:04:11.000Check out the movie because it is pretty mind-blowing.
02:04:43.000But you guys know what it means to be on X. Yeah, it's just a card to me.
02:04:47.000You can't really say I X'd because it kind of sounds like I'm on X. You know, I've got to mention, I was skateboarding earlier with Taylor Silverman and she was practicing a trick and I said, if I explained what you were doing on social media, I'd get banned because of the terminology used by skateboarders.
02:05:10.000So, uh, the same word you would use to describe the transmission of a car, a slang term, which you can't say on social media because it's a slur, is a term used in skateboarding.
02:05:19.000So, skateboarders bust fat lines, or they do fat lines, right?
02:05:22.000So if you were to lay out the full terminology from a skateboard, you are banned so fast!
02:05:30.000I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
02:05:31.000We do animated cartoons and political satire.
02:05:34.000We have one coming out tomorrow, which I think is going to be really funny, so I'd like to ask you guys to go over to Freedom Tunes on YouTube.
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