On this week's show: Donald Trump is being indicted for trying to wipe Hillary Clinton's server, Anheuser-Busch is laying off hundreds of workers, and the Harman Brothers join us to talk about the parallel economy.
00:00:38.000And I'm just I got to be honest, I'm very, very glad they did it.
00:00:41.000Because, you know, it's only going to be a matter of days, maybe maybe hours until Hillary Clinton gets indicted for actually having her server deleted and phone smashed with hammers.
00:00:52.000Now, I suppose the reason they're indicting Trump for this is so they can make the argument that, hey, you claimed for years that wiping the server was a criminal act and here's Trump trying to do it.
00:01:06.000Now I'm going to be like, you said no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges against Hillary, so clearly you are not reasonable prosecutors.
00:01:13.000Right now we got this big story about Hunter Biden.
00:01:15.000They tried sneaking in an unprecedented blanket immunity deal for Hunter on all charges and the judge caught it.
00:01:23.000Yeah, see, this is what they're doing.
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00:03:04.000These are the guys behind Sound of Freedom's distribution and Angel Studios.
00:03:08.000Do you guys want to introduce yourselves?
00:04:18.000There's this funny article from Vox where they said Sound of Freedom is as dark and dangerous as child trafficking itself, which is the most psychotic and insane thing.
00:04:28.000But I love it because Sound of Freedom was originally owned by Disney, right?
00:04:36.000Yeah, so Fox originally made it, then Disney acquired Fox, and then the producer Eduardo Verastegui, who was here, he managed to get it out of Disney, and then we got the rights.
00:05:20.000We're all waiting eagerly to hear about the potential indictments.
00:05:24.000It was presumed that Trump would be indicted on something related to January 6th, but instead, this is the most ironic and hilarious thing.
00:05:31.000The Daily Mail reports, Trump accused of trying to delete the Mar-a-Lago server and wipe surveillance footage in bombshell new indictment.
00:05:39.000Ex-president hit with more charges and head of club's maintenance is also implicated in classified documents case.
00:05:46.000The long story short of it, Trump apparently told some guy he wanted, uh, they say, the former president allegedly told aides to wipe security footage from his Florida club server as a way to foil investigators probing the removal of classified documents from the White House.
00:06:13.000Carlos D. Oliveira, Mar-a-Lago's head of maintenance, has been named as the third defendant alongside the former president and his valet, Walt Nauta.
00:06:22.000Both developments present additional legal jeopardy for the former president, who spent a part of Thursday, blah, blah, blah.
00:06:30.000It's been years since they outright said they will not indict Hillary Clinton for actually deleting public record, for having phones smashed with hammers.
00:06:40.000So you're sitting there as Trump and you're like, we're totally allowed to do this.
00:07:03.000It's hard for me not to look at it and think, you know, now that they're arresting his head of maintenance and his ally, they're trying to make him feel guilty for putting regular people in harm's way.
00:07:11.000Like they are trying everything to get him to take a plea deal to sort of bow down to this.
00:07:19.000Man, I just was thinking of Hillary when Donald Trump was on stage with her and he was like, you'd be, if I was president, you'd be in jail.
00:07:26.000It's one of the best debate moments in modern history.
00:07:29.000I think that's the reason why they're trying to put him in jail right now because they're like, you do not do that to the Democratic Party in public.
00:07:35.000You do not say those things directly to Hillary Clinton in public unless you want to face the wrath is what this feels like.
00:07:40.000I mean, Republicans sit around doing nothing, and Democrats are lobbying Molotov cocktails figuratively and literally.
00:07:50.000In New York, they quite literally did, and now they're trying to arrest Republican electors, they're charging them with felonies, they're indicting Trump again, they're going after his maintenance guy!
00:08:00.000It just kind of feels like the Republican Party is sitting there going, oh no.
00:08:20.000I mean, is it fighting fire with fire?
00:08:21.000I mean, is there, when it comes to, say, like Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, do any of the crimes they've committed extend to the jurisdiction of these conservative or Republican, or even in some cases, like Republican libertarian counties or districts?
00:08:37.000The answer is, of course, yes, absolutely.
00:08:40.000Joe Biden, for instance, there was already talk from Republicans about potentially bringing charges against Joe Biden because if he's operating out of certain territories or certain areas, I mean, a lot of these people have property in Florida, right?
00:08:51.000Ron DeSantis and the Florida DAs could be going after people, but not a single, not a single DA, not a single Republican anywhere has come up with any reason or has found any crime committed.
00:09:03.000But they are, they're like, isn't Congress about to impeach Biden?
00:10:20.000Well, we went through this because we were sued by Disney and we learned pretty quickly that fighting the lawsuit with Disney in Los Angeles is not a place you want to be.
00:10:31.000So we were handed all kinds of crazy, crazy, like our trial, for example, We had someone who was going to come testify from Google that we had gone to work with Google to try to get licensing to be able to skip stuff in TV shows and movies.
00:10:50.000And the judge said last minute, this person can't testify.
00:11:49.000And we wanted to watch really great, compelling stories, but have them match values.
00:11:54.000Like my nine-year-old, I didn't want him to go and speak to his sisters in certain ways when they were young.
00:12:01.000And so we created this technology that would allow you to skip.
00:12:04.000You know, skip certain language, or skip nudity, or whatever.
00:12:08.000And we thought, if we launch this technology, we're going to collect a group of people who care about storytelling and care about family, and then we'll be able to distribute new stories to these people better than Hollywood can.
00:12:24.000So we built the filtering technology, the skipping technology, Uh, 2016 it started to succeed and then we got sued and then, uh, 2020 we settled and then we pivoted to during that lawsuit, we pivoted to creating our own stories.
00:12:41.000You, you said you settled for 8 million.
00:12:59.000After fighting for four and a half years, and Disney had probably spent, they'd spent tens of millions of dollars trying to destroy Angel, and we had spent millions of dollars trying to fight back.
00:13:12.000It was just, we got to get out of their game.
00:14:39.000That's funny for everyone And then the chosen which is like a top 5 TV series and we just started growing like crazy during this lawsuit and and then Disney and and and then we had a trustee during the bankruptcy who was in charge of her company and We had to file bankruptcy to protect us from Disney.
00:15:01.000Chapter 11 Bankruptcy has this format where you can actually use it as a shield against a predator.
00:15:07.000So we used bankruptcy to protect us from Disney.
00:15:14.000As soon as the trustees saw how fast we were growing with this parallel system that we were building, he said to the judge, these guys are going to be able to pay off the entire $62 million.
00:17:02.000Do you want to fight this all the way?
00:17:04.000Or do you want to tell our own stories?
00:17:05.000And 84% of our people said, let's just go tell the stories.
00:17:09.000And then we offered to buy out the rest of them.
00:17:11.000Did you get inspired during the court process to start your own storytelling?
00:17:16.000So actually, we thought about doing our own storytelling at the beginning.
00:17:21.000That's the only reason Jeffrey's involved.
00:17:22.000Yeah, I told Neil when he came to me, Neil and Jordan came to me, and they were like, let's build this system that skips and mutes content in movies.
00:17:31.000And I was like, that happened a while back.
00:17:34.000And everybody, there's like 14 companies that did this, and every single one got sued out of existence.
00:17:43.000But it seems weird, because if I had a movie on at home and I skipped it, that's not copyright.
00:17:47.000But if you have a technology that does it... It's because the technology uses... There's a law called the Family Movie Act of 2005 that allows you to skip and mute content that's transmitted.
00:18:51.000But we weren't going to win in that court.
00:18:55.000We weren't going to win in that system.
00:18:56.000What if you open source technology and just release it to the wind?
00:19:02.000We actually did set up a foundation in the middle of the lawsuit and announced that, and Disney came screaming to the courts and saying that they needed to seize the company from us before we let any assets out of the company.
00:19:17.000Because that was ultimately... What's that?
00:19:19.000Well, we were just asking the court if they would let us do it and Disney stopped it.
00:20:21.000I guess technically if you used Chrome on your phone to watch, which would not be as good as the streaming app, but I... Chrome on your phone doesn't support extensions.
00:20:31.000So what you're saying is the thing that you made actually would go between an app?
00:20:36.000Yeah, it would basically go, like if you have your Netflix account, you'd tie your Netflix account to VidAngel and it would go and it would be you.
00:22:06.000And then you've got Sound of Freedom now.
00:22:11.000Which is fun, because we went through all this battle, and Fox was acquired by Disney during our lawsuit, and this parallel story was happening, and then we ended up with the rights to Sound of Freedom here in 2023.
00:22:22.000Yeah, Fox paid for Sound of Freedom to get made, is that how it worked?
00:22:26.000And then Disney bought them, so Disney owned it, and they were suing you when you bought it from them?
00:22:30.000Or did you wait till after the lawsuit?
00:23:45.000But when they don't have it anymore, it is extreme.
00:23:47.000I mean, I think what you're doing with moving to sort of creating culture through the marketplace is really interesting.
00:23:51.000In some ways, it reminds me of what Matt Gaetz did saying, you know, Jack Smith, the prosecutor that's investigating Trump, he just was like, well, you can't have any more money.
00:24:04.000And I think in some way, really, that's ultimately I mean, we talk about a lot with like Public Square.
00:24:09.000The dollar is one way to leverage power against this institution.
00:24:12.000So internally, Republicans who are in Congress could theoretically cut off some of these investigations if they cut off DOJ funding.
00:24:19.000And if you guys are able to say, like, we know people who are willing to spend money for entertainment that they feel represents them, and we make the entertainment, then we're able to circulate this money through people who have the values.
00:24:30.000Well, we also learned, like, I went to CinemaCon this year.
00:24:34.000CinemaCon is where all the studios come to Talk to the theaters.
00:24:40.000So the exhibitors are the theaters and those are mainstream Americans.
00:24:44.000These are 3,000 plus owners of theaters all across this country, and they're just normal, everyday, middle class Heartland Americans.
00:24:54.000And so the studios come in, and at CinemaCon, it's the most bizarre experience, where you've got these middle American theater owners, and then you've got these studios that are coming out of their bubble, and then they're just trying to sell their content to the theater owners.
00:25:09.000And so they're kind of like, Is there like a cultural difference?
00:25:21.000There's an almost adversarial relationship, but at the same time they're sitting there whining and dining in the theaters trying to just say, okay, we have to work with you.
00:25:32.000I was walking around with this shirt on, this angel shirt, and I couldn't make it down the hallway without five, six different theater owners just stopping and being like, Hey, they pull out a cross and they're like, I'm on your side.
00:25:52.000But, but it's, it's, um, but the amount of support from the theaters made us realize there's just this realization.
00:26:02.000As long as we can make it economically viable for alternative content to go to the theaters, they will pick that content, they'll support it.
00:29:24.000And then we put it out there for crowdfunding and it raised $1.25 million in 100 hours.
00:29:29.000And we were expecting to raise $400,000 in 30 days.
00:29:33.000And we're just like, okay, we got to lean into this because what the guild is saying.
00:29:37.000And then it hit number three in the box office against some huge, huge tentpoles.
00:29:41.000But I would assume this is one of the things that maybe Hollywood is forgetting is important.
00:29:45.000Like, you guys are talking to actual people who are interested in a movie who would put their money behind movies and saying, what do you want to see?
00:29:51.000Whereas Hollywood has their own enclave of people and they're asking each other.
00:30:08.000Anybody who has invested in a previous project can be a member of the Guild, and those guys are the ones who decide the future of Angel Productions.
00:30:16.000There's about 100,000 people in the Angel Guild.
00:30:19.000And the idea here is that they replace the Hollywood gatekeepers.
00:31:47.000Yeah, so Frederick Bartaldi couldn't get any governments to fund the Statue of Liberty, and he had this dream of creating the biggest piece of art.
00:31:56.000And we all know artists will try to get their budget from wherever they can.
00:33:04.000And he spends a decade, and he builds it.
00:33:06.000So we just modeled the entire brand of our company as we have Torches, which are the filmmakers.
00:33:13.000A lot of like roads, you're really worried about the roads?
00:33:15.000called the torch awards where we actually give away a copper replica of
00:33:20.000the torch of the Statue of Liberty to filmmakers so there's um yeah we the
00:33:25.000ideas around the original crowdfunding campaign I think a lot of the problems
00:33:28.000in today's society could be solved with crowdfunding a lot of like roads you
00:33:31.000really worried about the roads don't wait for the government you know set up
00:33:34.000but we just need maybe some organization for it like an app or something where
00:33:37.000you can like locally yeah some tip yeah Yeah, and what happens is as soon as you engage the crowd, like when we raise, the smartest money we can raise for advertising is from the crowd because everybody comes in, they maybe throw 50 bucks at it or 20 bucks or whatever, and then they go out and they bring it, drag all their neighbors into the theaters.
00:33:59.000So if you get 7,000, 10,000 people crowdfunding a project, You've got an army of 10,000 people out dragging everybody they know into those theaters to try to make that movie profitable.
00:34:12.000Of the 100,000 angel investors that you currently have, do they all invest in every movie?
00:35:18.000Like, if a Torch cost $100,000, they might put up $50,000 and then the filmmaker would have to bring $50,000.
00:35:26.000Let's talk about winning the culture war.
00:35:28.000So, I think one of the reasons Sound of Freedom is so important is making $130 million several days at number one, proving that outside, as you mentioned, the gatekeepers, there is a path towards success.
00:35:44.000Younger people need to be able to look at the stuff that we're creating and say, there is another way to succeed.
00:35:50.000You don't have to go through the corrupt machine.
00:35:53.000We have this news story that I think plays into this.
00:35:55.000Bud Light Brewery is laying off hundreds of U.S.
00:35:59.000Well, I'm kind of sad for these people, but at the same time, if you've been working at Bud Light, where over the past four months this controversy has been going on, you had to know this was coming.
00:36:08.000Not only that, but several bottling plants had already laid off hundreds of people.
00:36:12.000So, y'all should, look, if you work for Bud Light, I would only say, I am personally, I would be surprised if you were not trying to find another job because they are firing people.
00:36:24.000But this is a sign that the old guard and the gatekeepers are failing, they are losing out, get woke, go broke, and we're starting to see the inverse.
00:37:09.000I'm like, they're going the wrong route.
00:37:11.000Going this procedural route to try and win a culture war is a losing battle, and we should all know this because it's what Republicans were doing in 2016.
00:37:37.000You have the Biden DOJ protecting Hunter Biden with this insane plea agreement they tried giving him, indicting Donald Trump again, and we got SBF getting his charges dropped.
00:37:49.000You give Democrats money, you don't go to jail, I guess.
00:37:52.000But I don't think that's going to play very well because if the influence that is generated in culture is coming from the likes of Angel Studios, if the products they're buying are no longer Bud Light, if they're not watching Fox News even, or CNN anymore, they're coming to other places.
00:38:07.000Yeah, it's not like they just stopped.
00:38:11.000And that means, eventually, Democrats aren't going to be able to pull this stuff off.
00:38:16.000They're going to slowly start losing political power because they're trying to win by writing laws or utilizing government, which I've been saying a long time, doesn't work.
00:38:25.000Republicans keep trying to do that, doesn't work.
00:38:29.000You've got, on the books, laws preventing adults from engaging in lewd and lascivious acts with children.
00:38:35.000These laws have been on the books forever.
00:38:37.000West Virginia, for instance, has it plain as day.
00:38:39.000Yet, the police allow children to be part of lewd and lascivious shows at adult venues, child drag performances, all-ages drag shows that are explicit.
00:38:50.000The police won't enforce it, though, because of the culture.
00:38:52.000Because we're at a point, or we were, where you have this show where it's not going to lick itself and there's kids there and the cops go, I'm not getting involved in this.
00:39:03.000Even though it is illegal, discernibly codified, the cops won't do anything about it because the culture is fractured and there's no clear winner.
00:39:12.000The police are only going to do what they think the majority would support.
00:39:15.000If Sound of Freedom is winning, if Angel Studios is winning, if shows like ours, if Cast Brew Coffee is winning, if Bud Light is failing, eventually people are gonna say, I'm here to be on the winning side.
00:39:25.000Law enforcement's gonna come out and be like, we're gonna go arrest the person breaking the law.
00:39:29.000It's illegal for women, unmarried women, to skydive in Florida on Sunday.
00:39:33.000Is a cop going to arrest a woman who skydives on Sunday?
00:39:38.000Because the law actually doesn't matter.
00:39:40.000What matters is what police are willing to enforce.
00:39:43.000So if we win the culture war, No, I think it's true.
00:39:51.000I mean, the part of government is the consent of the people, right?
00:39:56.000So if you disagree with law, not only can you fight it, but also your town can start to say, like, this doesn't make sense.
00:40:01.000I mean, there are all kinds of old laws in the books.
00:40:04.000The skydiving in Florida one might be an example.
00:40:07.000Of things that we would not allow or accept.
00:40:09.000I believe there's a town in Connecticut where your husband's allowed to beat his wife on the town hall steps during the day and that never got repealed.
00:40:20.000Now if this happened we would all be appalled.
00:40:22.000Like we know some things are wrong and I can't say why that one was on the books ever but so much of what we do is just I'm choosing to say, like, I'm not going to give in to this anymore.
00:40:33.000And again, I think it's important to go back to the fact that for a long time, you know, you'd get these things, companies doing something you didn't agree with, but there were no alternatives, right?
00:40:41.000Like, I remember, I can't even remember, like, if you wanted to boycott a shoe company, well, that shoe company is also owned by this company that's also doing this.
00:40:50.000And like, we saw this a little bit with Bud Light that, you know, some people were like, well, I'll buy this one.
00:40:55.000And it actually is all under the Anheuser-Busch umbrella.
00:40:58.000So maybe we give credit to the internet here for being active and alerting people to sort of the network of companies.
00:41:03.000But it is really interesting to see people actively seeking out change and reviewing like what they're being told to do and saying, I don't want to anymore.
00:41:27.000And that's the reason that we started this is because we could see that this was a long game, right?
00:41:34.000Like, the way that we were going to actually change the world for our children and for their children.
00:41:42.000was not by going and coming here to D.C.
00:41:45.000and lobbying and fighting over red and blue politics, but it was just in our home with our kids, telling really great stories that helped them understand true principles.
00:41:56.000When the Dark Knight Rises came out, I was at CPAC that year or something around there, and I remember sitting in on this panel discussion and them saying, you know, if you're conservative and you want your children who are interested in politics to make a difference, you actually shouldn't send them to UC, you should send them to Hollywood.
00:42:11.000And I wish I could give credit to whoever said that.
00:42:12.000I've forgotten the panelist's name at this point.
00:42:14.000But it's interesting because they're basically making the point 10 years ago and you guys said Angel was founded in 2013 that you guys ultimately proved which is like if you want to redirect culture you need people who have those values in a position to make that content.
00:42:29.000I mean it's we know a lot of people who are creative and who have ideas but I don't remember who was on the show talking about the infrastructure behind movie production, all the things you need to rent and the film equipment.
00:42:38.000There has to be stepping stones to build this and ultimately you guys have proven redirecting the energy is the important thing.
00:42:45.000And Steve Jobs says that the most powerful person in the world is a storyteller.
00:43:19.000Like a local legislator put up a bill that's called the Sound of Freedom Bill and they're changing laws because of this film.
00:43:29.000There was a law enforcement officer down in Texas who, after watching the film, started classes in their community and they're teaching teenage girls what signs to look for, how pedophiles attack through social media.
00:44:11.000Yeah, I was like, jeez, why does he keep jumping to the death penalty?
00:44:15.000I don't want to derail if you guys don't want to talk about Big D. Look, traffickers, people that rape kids and sell them probably deserve death.
00:44:27.000But the death penalty, I think the statistics are, they get it wrong like 4% of the time.
00:44:41.000I believe they deserve it, but you can't practically make that happen without... Like if you were trying to protect a kid who is about to be attacked by someone, use whatever force you can to save the life of that child from the person committing the crime, right?
00:44:57.000If we've captured someone and Kamala Harris walks up to me and says, see that guy over there?
00:45:31.000Yeah, but I mean, we've got, you wouldn't believe, like, it's not just Republicans that are asking for screeners of this movie.
00:45:39.000Like, everybody's asking for screenings.
00:45:45.000There are leftist publications that are saying QAnon and stuff, The Guardian did it, but the corporate press critic reviews are still, what, like 75% or better?
00:45:55.000It just slowly gets chipped away at, but there are people on both sides of the aisle that are very powerful, and state leaders all over the world, asking For example, tomorrow we're flying to El Salvador, and we are meeting with Bukele to premiere the film.
00:46:23.000You would be amazed, and I'm hoping that some of them, when they watch it, because they're watching it to see... Not that they're going to be on this live stream, but if they are, or somebody who is, we are hoping that one of them will Come out!
00:48:29.000And then the third one is where you get a little more controversial, but it's like, you've got $150 billion industry.
00:48:37.000There's cartels that are child trafficking cartels, and they've got their talking points.
00:48:41.000And the journalists are inadvertently grabbing these talking points, probably because of one or two, but they're grabbing cartel talking points to try to downplay how significant of a problem this is.
00:48:52.000And number four is, they're just all in it.
00:48:58.000And so probably as Russell Brands got it first and it cascades down to the bottom one, The evil, just everybody, all these people are evil, but it's most likely economics driving it, partisanism driving it, and then the other two are probably smaller ones.
00:49:17.000I mean, I think the partisan one is so true, especially if you're getting people who are like, you know, like you were saying with the theater owners who hold up their crosses to you in secret, like these people being like, I am against child trafficking, but I don't want to say it too loud.
00:49:28.000That's a little weird, but I guess if that's your team's line, I don't know.
00:49:33.000I identify with Russell's idea that it's economic warfare, essentially.
00:49:38.000They don't like the model of coming in from the outside and disrupting the Hollywood model.
00:50:05.000I'm going to spoil it for you guys because I need to make the point, but it's two Hollywood guys being like, oh, this Sound of Freedom, you know, what is going on with this?
00:51:07.000Seth MacFarlane made the joke on some awards show.
00:51:09.000Then you also have Stewie Griffin in an episode of Family Guy running through the mall saying, help, help, I've escaped Kevin Spacey's basement.
00:51:16.000Like, people in Hollywood know what's going on there.
00:51:19.000So I'm gonna say The tribal partisan thing, I think, makes sense.
00:51:24.000Because we've had people come on and sit at the studio, like The Culture War, for instance, and outright defend books, we have these books here, where they're showing graphic images of adult activities to kids and say, it's a good book.
00:51:34.000And I'm just like, that's the most insane thing ever.
00:51:39.000But I really do think Hollywood's got pedos who are really pissed off that you guys put out a film, I think, I really do think that one of the reasons Disney did not want to run this is because there's high up people who are like, the last thing we want is people focusing on this as a cultural issue.
00:51:56.000There's no reason for Disney not to publish this film.
00:52:30.000When we had him here, he was mentioning that there was going to be a companion documentary that they were supposed to make.
00:52:35.000And it was because they didn't want to do that, they released the rights to the film.
00:52:39.000So, Disney's looking at it like, we're going to have to release this film because of a contract and we're going to have to make a documentary about it.
00:52:49.000I think there are people who are high up who have certain predilections who are like, we don't want two films, so what's your win scenario?
00:52:58.000Pass it off so just the film comes out, hope it fails, and don't make the documentary.
00:53:02.000Your worst case scenario is you have to make the documentary and the film comes out.
00:53:05.000So they actually are looking at it like, you know, we may lose this, but we don't take as much collateral damage in terms of their predilections and what they don't want people talking about.
00:53:35.000They made my life miserable for four and a half years.
00:53:40.000But I think I'd like to leave that open.
00:53:45.000Yeah, I think they are being against child trafficking, which is kind of an interesting brand to have.
00:53:51.000Matt Kibbe, I was talking to him the other day and he said, maybe it's like Baptists and bootleggers.
00:53:57.000Where you've got the one side, they're kind of almost like a collaboration happening without them even realizing that they're collaborating.
00:54:03.000One's actually against it and one's for it, but they're actually making it happen together.
00:54:07.000And he's like, it kind of reminds him of that in some ways.
00:54:12.000Law & Order SVU has been on the air for 24 years.
00:54:16.000It is one of the most popular television shows of all time.
00:54:20.000So there's two points to be made there.
00:54:22.000Why Disney would look at a well-made movie, which they had already and could just literally upload to Disney Plus and be like, have a nice day.
00:55:03.000And the leaders don't want to touch the film.
00:55:07.000We didn't know how to get it out the door.
00:55:08.000He said they're all calling him now being like... Yeah, everybody's like, why didn't we take that?
00:55:13.000But then he said, when I saw you guys got it...
00:55:15.000I was like, that was the perfect match because Angel has a direct connection to the people and the people will care about this issue and they will be able to rise it to the level that the tastemakers pay attention to it.
00:55:25.000And the leaders have to pay attention to it.
00:55:43.000I don't know the exact details of the rest of what goes into that $14.5 million.
00:55:47.000Okay, but roughly, up to $14 million, he paid to Disney to get it.
00:55:50.000And maybe Disney thought they weren't going to get $14 million putting it on Disney+, so they're just better off unloading it for a small dose of cash.
00:56:03.000We have this video Ian Miles Chong posted.
00:56:05.000It says, this is what's popular on TikTok.
00:56:07.000Meanwhile in China, kids are learning about theoretical physics, practical woodworking, and astronomy on Douyin, which is their version of TikTok.
00:57:54.000YouTube just had an algorithm that recommended what got clicked the most.
00:57:56.000They didn't really think about it and it was being exploited and people were just doing keyword searches and then making whatever was getting the most clicks and it turned into this nightmare scenario.
00:58:13.000Because I think they figured out, hey...
00:58:15.000Elsagate is destroying the fabric of the United States and the West, because the children who watch that are going to have psychological problems and trauma later in life.
00:58:25.000This is very much the same thing, as are the NPC girls.
00:58:29.000There are already stories about, first, young girls facing extreme depression because of Instagram, but now you have stories of young girls developing Tourette syndrome Because they would watch a popular influencer with Tourette's start imitating the person and then start developing involuntary tics in their communication style because this is social development for young people.
00:58:49.000I think TikTok, it's my personal opinion, promotes this stuff in the algorithm because it is gutting and destroying the fabric of our young people.
00:58:58.000This is another reason why I think it's so extremely important.
00:59:00.000One, you guys share Tell your friends to go see movies like Sound of Freedom, but all the other stuff that Angel Studios has coming out, you've got, what's that new, there's another movie you've got coming out?
01:00:18.000Amazing author from Nashville, musician, pretty big name.
01:00:21.000But he has a blog called The Rabbit Room.
01:00:26.000And on that blog, they published, it's a group of people that write on it, they wrote a blog post called The Sacrament of Cinema.
01:00:33.000And in it explains, and this is what shifted my gears on why movie theaters are hanging on and why I think that they have a bright future, is he compares the sacrament when you go to church and you let go of everything and you get into the exact same experience as everybody around you and you focus on this one thing which represents Jesus Christ.
01:00:55.000And you focus, focus, focus, and you take the sacrament.
01:01:00.000When you go to the theater, you're surrendering all your screens, all the social media, and you're allowing yourself to be enveloped in an experience that that director built for you and crafted for you.
01:01:12.000And then immerse yourself, and there's no pause button, and you're all together.
01:01:16.000And so you have this incredible experience, and it can be life-changing.
01:01:21.000And I think that people are hungry to get away from the social screens.
01:01:27.000And the easiest, most simple way to do that is to head to the cinema and actually- Shut it all down.
01:01:46.000The good news is- So when we look at this video and this guy is screeching and making nonsense content, which is going to traumatize kids, they're gonna grow up and they will imitate.
01:01:58.000Are they gonna be building spaceships?
01:02:03.000Saying insane things or acting like NPCs and saying ice cream so good, but we're winning.
01:02:08.000One, obviously you guys are here, we're talking about Angel Studios, all the projects you have, but along with this story is Dylan Mulvaney announcing a stepping back from producing content because only 50% of Americans like me, Dylan says, and so Mulvaney will be slowing down content.
01:02:26.000This is what happens when people speak up for what they believe in, when they say Uh, rather sternly, but politely.
01:02:34.000Dylan Mulvaney has bad content, which is bad for kids, promoting alcohol to kids.
01:02:38.000You know, people want to talk about gender ideology, I'm like, absolutely.
01:02:41.000But also, the scandal starts with Dylan promoting booze to children on TikTok.
01:06:10.000Go out there and make your own pro-British movie.
01:06:11.000I think it's interesting because I watched Patriot probably way after everyone else, but after it you're like, yeah, let's hang an American flag.
01:06:19.000I feel like there is something really positive about walking into a theater and being like, I feel empowered to do something.
01:06:23.000I think Sound of Freedom has that effect for a lot of people, even if it's just be more conscious of how they can serve their local community.
01:06:28.000But the Patriot makes you want to be like, yeah, it's a good country.
01:06:32.000I think that is sort of, along with the moral hunger in society, some way to feed that.
01:06:37.000Because videos like this of TikTok of this guy screaming, that's the equivalent of fake chemical sugar that we're feeding to our young people.
01:06:44.000You need to give them more substantial content for them to feed their minds, their emotions, their souls, things like that.
01:06:51.000If you have them on the app where there's nothing nutritious, so to speak, there, then of course they wither away.
01:07:27.000Is that it's all about uniting around an idea rather than partisanship or, or country lines.
01:07:35.000It's just about uniting around an idea.
01:07:37.000Well, and I think it's interesting too, because this new study came out saying they're like only 18% of young Americans consider themselves like very patriotic.
01:07:45.000Which is sort of strange, but when we saw periods of high patriotism, it's when we're in conflict, when we have to pull together with people that we don't know who live in our country, we feel bonded that way.
01:07:57.000And to your point, I think, at least in my experience as a first-generation American, immigrants choose to be here and they realize often why.
01:08:06.000They have a decision, there's a choice, right?
01:08:08.000There's sort of an act of love in that choice.
01:08:11.000And I think that in some ways makes it easier to be clear about what you have when you were born into something.
01:08:16.000It sometimes becomes easy to be like, meh, not that great because you don't have anything to compare it to.
01:08:27.000And I was reading, I was just amazing, all the artifacts and everything from the USSR that were there and these Stalin statues and Lenin statues.
01:08:35.000And then I get out and I'm looking at Google reviews and there's all these Americans writing these one-star reviews and they're just like, uh, it, it makes communism look really bad.
01:08:52.000They're like, they need to get rid of their bias towards this.
01:09:14.000We need to preserve the... I think about that when it comes to the transgender movement and just transgenderism in general.
01:09:20.000If we could somehow make a movie that shows someone going through it, and you can really empathize with the person struggling with their own gender, and then you can kind of see it from the outside of what's happening to them and why they're going through it, that it could remind people in 20 years, like, it's okay to be you.
01:09:34.000You know, just to give young people hope that if you're feeling weird, there's a way to... It's okay to feel weird.
01:09:41.000Yeah, and if we don't tell the story, it won't be remembered why it happened in the first place, and then we're doomed to repeat these cycles of lack of faith or lack of love for self.
01:09:52.000So I would love to make a movie about that.
01:09:54.000I would even love to play that character, for honest.
01:09:56.000Kids need... I bet you could do a great job at that, Ian.
01:09:59.000Kids need stories where they will look up to people.
01:10:03.000So that they want to emulate something.
01:10:06.000You know, I read these stories online, there's these memes where guys like, I have a kid, he's kind of dumb, he's five, and then one day I saw him running around and he said, I'm Spider-Man, I'm Spider-Man, or something like that.
01:10:17.000And I'm like, yeah, the kid saw a movie where the main character, the good guy, Spider-Man, is doing these heroic things and then the kid imitates that.
01:10:23.000You give positive reinforcement, say, these are the people we like, these are the stories of heroism.
01:10:28.000Right now what's happening is we've had this period where there's a lot of woke movies that have no clear...
01:11:08.000And they tried defending it saying, well, yeah, you know, she changes later on.
01:11:10.000And I'm like, if kids watch that and they look up to someone who is mean, nasty, and entitled, they're gonna grow up thinking that's the way to be and we don't want that.
01:13:28.000Yeah, it's just like, I think TikTok just in general is brain junk food.
01:13:33.000I think it's more like brain opiates, like drugs.
01:13:38.000I guess you were talking about how characters become complicated and how that's kind of a problem, but you were saying it's okay, like complication's okay.
01:13:47.000I think we do need to reorient people.
01:13:49.000You know, the reason I mention that is because one of the reviewers of Sound of Freedom was pointing out how they wish that the character Tim Ballard was more complicated.
01:13:58.000But it just happens to be a true story.
01:14:01.000And Alejandro and Rod Barr, they wrote it the best they could based off the stories.
01:14:27.000And when somebody sees someone else, like if someone sees Cabrini do something, someone sees Tim Ballard do something, they say, wait a second, that wakes up something inside of me.
01:18:02.000When we're getting the checks from 7,000, 10,000 people, it's the smartest marketing funds that have ever been spent in Hollywood because all those people bring their family and friends.
01:18:16.000It becomes something where people have to be part of it.
01:18:21.000And additionally, with our history of selling products and making them household names, we had this moment click where we realized that selling seats is no different than selling squatty-potties.
01:18:33.000And squatty-potties, by the way, work.
01:20:58.000We have a brother who leads the consulting agency, and then another brother who ended up being the operator over at VidAngel when it got sold.
01:21:10.000The guy who's the CEO of VidAngel hired another brother to do that.
01:21:20.000No, but maybe it's nice because you guys know each other.
01:21:22.000I mean the other one is the Ringling Brothers and there were like 400 of them.
01:21:26.000I mean by that I mean I think there were like eight Ringling Brothers and they each did different things and had different skill sets and that was ultimately a huge part of American culture.
01:21:32.000If you're just kind of cast from the right die, for us the casting comes from just being farm boys in Idaho and just a farm family.
01:21:41.000That's where you guys grew up in Idaho?
01:21:43.000And Jordan, over here in the background, he left after co-founding with us.
01:21:49.000He left for a while and he started another company called Cove and grew it to a hundred million dollar company.
01:21:54.000And then it ended up being our other team members and our board who decided to hire him back because we didn't feel like we could make that decision.
01:22:04.000And they hired him back and it's been great.
01:22:06.000He's filled out the team and helped the team so much.
01:22:11.000It's definitely not nepotistic unless that can be defined in a good way.
01:22:16.000I'm not trying to imply it's nepotistic.
01:22:18.000It's just interesting because some people feel like, you know, you can't work with your spouse, you can't work with your siblings, but obviously… And it is.
01:22:24.000It's really hard to work with family members, but when you can make it work, something happens that other co-workers say, you guys need to just like talk more because you have this like non-verbal communication happening where you know what's happening with each other.
01:22:47.000You're like the Elon Musk, the three of you together.
01:22:50.000And then the rest of us have to figure out what you guys are actually thinking because you don't... You don't need to communicate as clearly because you're... We don't.
01:28:34.000But this is awesome because most musicals, everybody just breaks out music for no reason.
01:28:39.000And in David, King David was a musician and he was called into Saul, King Saul, to actually sing to bring down his nerves or whatever it was.
01:28:48.000It sounds like an emotional issue for King Saul, like schizophrenia or something when you read it.
01:28:53.000But he brings down his nerves, and he wrote most of the book of Psalms.
01:29:00.000So the music's all motivated throughout the entire animated musical, because David's a musician.
01:29:08.000So it's a very interesting take, and I think it's going to be huge.
01:29:11.000You guys said that this trailer we just watched is a rough cut, so what would be an example of how that would change as you're finalizing the trailer, like technically?
01:29:33.000Um, but the, and then you've got different messaging things where there's like, should we put, um, like one of the debates was, does the dark stuff, should the dark stuff be so prominent in the trailer?
01:29:47.000Or is that going to put some people off?
01:29:49.000And we're trying to figure out if that, and my wife responded the same way.
01:29:54.000She's like, that's the most, that's like so intriguing.
01:29:59.000First off, these, these kinds of stories are very common.
01:30:02.000I've, I've had like neighbors that have had these types of experiences.
01:30:07.000But they're all so spread out and no one's ever gone through and just told them in a really good way that's scientific as well as good storytelling.
01:31:21.000Wing Feather Saga is really interesting because they animated it and they built specific kind of animation.
01:31:25.000If you look up Wing Feather Saga trailer, This animation is designed, it will remind you, it came before Puss in Boots, the new one, but it has some of the similarities.
01:31:38.000Puss in Boots, these guys pioneered this type of animation and they used Epic's Unreal Engine and they designed an entire way to animate with Unreal Engine, which means that it's easy to bring it into a video game.
01:31:56.000It's built to be able to make a video game.
01:31:58.000Yeah, the future, I think, movies and video games are kind of coming together where you can become the character in the movie and experience it from different perspectives.
01:32:07.000Would you let them hook your brain and body up to a recording machine, perfect resolution recording, and then let them kill you and bring you back to life?
01:33:50.000Irritatingly woke, in that all the bad guys are dudes, and all of the heroic generals of the good guys are women, and it's just like, at a certain point, come on, man.
01:34:01.000You know, and they make you fight women all the time, and I'm like, it is kind of weird that in this game you go around just mercilessly beating women, but they wanted all of these fighters to be like, very prominently female, and I'm like, it's just a game where you go around beating women.
01:34:13.000You know, like, even if they were gonna do it 50-50, you'd have some guys here and some guys there, and it's like, mostly women, you know, so.
01:34:19.000But, you know, video games would be cool.
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01:34:41.000I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, I've come to the conclusion that Western intelligence
01:34:45.000agencies, specifically American, have grown beyond their scope and are more of a problem
01:34:49.000than solution. Do we dissolve or reform them? If so, how? You vote for Donald Trump and then you
01:34:55.000defund and dissolve. Or Vivek. Or Vivek.
01:35:19.000He said, he said, we shouldn't do this, it should be by choice, but I don't have the authority, and then, I don't think he said it that articulately, he was like, I can't do it, it's the governors, they could do it, they're doing their thing.
01:35:28.000He was for it in the beginning, though.
01:35:30.000Yeah, I remember getting up and saying...
01:35:32.000Yeah, so for me, that's where he loses me, but I really like Vivek and I like RFK Jr.
01:35:41.000I think Vivek is how it is pronounced.
01:35:44.000I thought it was Vivek, but it's Vivek.
01:36:38.000Coconut and Monkey, on the other hand, are leading a domestic terrorism campaign against fellow crackheads, and they'll only get probation.
01:37:29.000Yeah, I just don't think the corporate press is going to be like, did you know that far-left extremists have implemented policies resulting in gang warfare in Seattle to the point where forests are being set on fire and IEDs are being planted and shootouts are happening?
01:37:41.000And they're assaulting people who are taking drugs that are trafficked across the border.
01:37:44.000They just don't want to talk about it.
01:37:47.000Steve McGee says if Biden said Corn Pop is bad, I'm going to assume he is good.
01:37:51.000Well, the conspiracy theory is that Corn Pop caught Joe Biden touching kids inappropriately, and Joe Biden lied about the story for, you know, brownie points or whatever.
01:38:00.000And it turned out Corn Pop was a good dude.
01:38:42.000Tuttle Twins is a best-selling book series that sold, I think, five or six million copies that teach kids about the principles of liberty and economics.
01:38:50.000And we've made a TV series based on the book series.
01:38:55.000um that's got this grandma cubid who's in a wheelchair and her wheelchair happens to be an interdimensional time traveling wheelchair and she takes her twin grandkids that are half cuban half american and flies them around to meet characters like benjamin franklin or harriet tubman Or Frederick Bastier.
01:39:18.000Just all inventors, entrepreneurs, educators.
01:39:23.000It's halfway through season two right now.
01:39:54.000We are, our timeline for our coffee shop, our first Casper location, may be this fall, I'm hoping.
01:40:01.000We were planning on having it open in the spring, but we're in a historic building, so that brings up a whole bunch of complications with what we can do, what we can use, what we can't use, how long it's going to take to get things up and running.
01:40:11.000But the plan we had, and the reason why I want physical spaces, one, we want to have a thousand locations all over the country.
01:40:17.000The general idea that I pitch is Mom's on her way to soccer practice with the kids.
01:41:01.000So, getting, getting, uh, supporting the parallel economy, but just Having shows for kids that are good, educational, wholesome all at the same time.
01:41:10.000We're not going to go near any of the traditional stuff that I grew up with because, well, they're going to sue us into oblivion and stuff like that.
01:41:16.000So we're going to support the companies that support us.
01:42:40.000Alright, Hank Fett says, building culture is a slow process that means nothing if it doesn't change the people in power or how the ones we vote for represent us.
01:42:48.000Anything we do can easily be undone by the laws they pass.
01:43:31.000Doesn't matter if the law's in the books that you can't do it.
01:43:33.000The culture in this space is shifting.
01:43:36.000We gotta shift it back and say, hey man, leave these kids alone.
01:43:39.000There's this, in episode 6 of season 1 of Tuttle Twins, they cover this issue, just looping that back in, is that there's a song that this guy from Georgia who lives in a houseboat, that he's parked in this boat for more than 30 days and it's illegal, and he sings a whole song about everything's illegal.
01:46:24.000But outside of that, were there prominent individuals who were like, we're going to pledge a large amount of money to help you guys get off the ground?
01:46:30.000We have three VC funds, three or four.
01:46:32.000And one of them, actually, their LPs are from Mexico, which is interesting.
01:46:38.000That was the first fund that invested.
01:47:12.000We had a good board meeting last week.
01:47:15.000They're like, guys, we've got $130 million on this movie!
01:47:19.000So Gigafund, yeah, they've put in—and their goal is, they just say, any company that's going to change the world and that they believe the founders will stick around with it for a decade or two.
01:47:29.000And part of the settlement was that Jeffrey and I put up our stock against the settlement to move on.
01:48:07.000What they'll do in fields, you'll see if there's like brush fire and stuff, they'll actually burn a line and that stops the fire.
01:48:14.000That's kind of like an example would be like if they're like sending kids to a sexualized system and you're like, yeah, that would be great if we could overly sexualize every little kid and that's like you burning a perimeter around the idea so that they're like, okay, I'm not gonna go that far.
01:48:28.000So that would be an idea of like fire with fire.
01:48:41.000I was thinking just like, not woke, not broke.
01:48:44.000I mean, it doesn't exemplify making money though.
01:48:48.000Our goal, one, if you want to change the world, capitalism is the best.
01:48:57.000Go make money on something that's going to change the world.
01:49:01.000The only way we're going to get sound of freedom to every corner of the earth is if we make it super economically profitable or else it will never get there.
01:50:38.000And my daughter, who's eight, she told me, for years, Frozen has been, she's like, Elsa's my favorite movie.
01:50:45.000After watching the first season of Winged Feather Saga, she said, and this is after many years, she said, Elsa's no longer my favorite movie.
01:50:52.000Winged Feather's always my favorite movie.
01:50:54.000We got a crowdfund that Buddy Cop movie.
01:51:43.000And then what you do is... It's not... You know, in Batman, the Joker falls into the vat of chemicals, but in this one, it's Ian who falls into the vat of chemicals.
01:51:51.000And then me and Roseanne become enemies, but then at the end, it's like, oh, I'm not gonna spoil it.
01:53:44.000Jesus says it is better that a millstone be wrapped around your neck and thrown to the bottom of the ocean than hurt one of your kids.
01:53:51.000It's like, he who would hurt God's children shall have a millstone cast around their neck and be cast into the ocean or something to that effect.
01:54:20.000Because adults start it and they hit a kid and then the kid goes and does it to their peers.
01:54:25.000But even beyond that, a kid who is abused, who grows up and struggles and can't hold a job and is traumatized and just harmed, it's going to cause ripple effects.
01:56:39.000We just loved that story because they went through bankruptcy at the same time when they started the cinematic universe and so we were like... There were some parallels.
01:56:39.000They were within two months of each other.
01:57:15.000Whereas DC was then like, we're gonna make a cinematic universe, and they just crammed a bunch of garbage into a bunch of films, and it was like, this is nonsense, it doesn't work.
01:57:23.000And that's how it feels crammed, like it doesn't feel organic the way that other things do.
01:57:26.000That's what's happened to Marvel too now, though.
01:58:59.000It's just because the model got gutted and there wasn't a path for real risk-taking and storytelling, and we think that's solved for the future.
01:59:25.000You were talking about it and then the price of opal spikes and I was like, this guy really knows his stuff.
01:59:31.000I was thinking of the movie The Book of Kells, which was like an Irish production and it was just new and different and sort of based on From what I know about it from Irish mythology, it's not just like, and now we're going to tell Little Red Riding Hood again, which is a fantastic story if you read to your children.
01:59:48.000But there's just more out there, and I think being able to give creators sort of a fresh take and a fresh chance, rather than rehashing the same thing over and over again.
01:59:56.000It would be cool to see, and I think that's something you guys prioritize.
01:59:59.000You got to give them a hero, like just an epic flaw.
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