Biden's Department of Homeland Security has a new department called the Ministry of Truth, and it s run by a woman who is lamenting Elon Musk's takeover and someone who is a Russiagate proponent. We discuss all of this and much more on today's episode of Hot Messengers.
00:00:24.000The entire time I've been on Twitter, or at least for the past seven or eight years, it's been completely political.
00:00:30.000There was even this one period where Twitter was trending a story that was about me that had no traction, no interest, and it was completely fabricated.
00:00:40.000Now all of a sudden, the trending has cleared up.
00:00:43.000Something dirty is happening behind the scenes at Twitter.
00:00:47.000And I think there is now ample evidence suggesting that Twitter is cleaning house and trying to purge nefarious code.
00:00:54.000I think perhaps Vijay Agade was crying in the meeting because they lied to Congress about what they were doing behind the scenes.
00:01:01.000Personally, I think Twitter was suppressing right-wing accounts and creating fake left-wing accounts for the sake of Healthy conversations, right?
00:01:10.000Trying to create some kind of pseudo balance.
00:02:43.000Hello, I'm Cheryl Atkison, and my voice is a little funky today, but I think we can hang in there.
00:02:50.000You want to pull the mic up a little bit?
00:02:51.000And you can, you can keep your, you know, keep it down.
00:02:54.000Yeah, just rest your voice and take it easy, and we'll keep the hot tea coming.
00:02:59.000Well, I am a longtime establishment journalist.
00:03:02.000Working for CNN and CBS and PBS before going out on my own.
00:03:08.000And I tend to cover a lot of media issues, sort of looking at my own industry in a critical way that I think is very healthy, but a lot of other journalists tend not to do.
00:03:33.000The number one trend in the United States of America now is the Ministry of Truth because earlier today nobody was talking about this DHS Disinformation Governance Board until I happen to be on Twitter.
00:03:48.000Someone sends me this thing That it's Nina Jankowicz who's in charge of this thing.
00:03:53.000Nina Jankowicz, you may know her from previously calling and saying that Trump supporters were planning to show up at the polls on election day militarized and with weapons to intimidate people from going to the polls.
00:04:06.000That's her October 2020 on CNN saying that previously she was a member of a Harry Potter fan band known as the Moaning Myrtles.
00:04:27.000And no one was talking about this other than the fact that she very obviously leaked the news to Politico and then was, you know, crowing about this.
00:04:36.000And for some reason, Politico didn't even think to do a story on the Ministry of Truth that was being enacted by the Biden administration.
00:04:45.000So it was up to little old me to have to go tweet this out and all the receipts of Nina Jankowicz, who she is, what they're doing.
00:04:52.000Because Tim and everybody else here, I got to say this, and Cheryl, it's amazing.
00:04:55.000I do hope you feel better, but I'm really honored to be on with you tonight.
00:05:00.000She is one of the people who immediately, when she saw the Hunter Biden laptop story, said that it was Russian disinformation.
00:05:08.000She said it was a fairy tale that he could have left his laptop in this Delaware tech shop because, you know, never heard of a crackhead losing something before.
00:05:19.000This is the person who's now in charge of your ministry of truth.
00:05:32.000I keep being surprised if there's political pushback against Elon buying Twitter when just before it was Vanguard, BlackRock, and Morgan Stanley that owned a quarter of the company.
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00:08:39.000I'd like to show you this tweet from Elon Musk.
00:09:32.000During the show, I was sitting down with Joe Rogan, Vijaya Gadde, the top lawyer, the one who reportedly cried at a meeting, and Jack Dorsey, the former CEO.
00:09:41.000I said, you have banned many people for saying hashtag learn to code.
00:10:30.000And there were many other people who did not direct Learn to Code.
00:10:34.000So I say that to her, and then, well, you gotta take into consideration the... So that was a mistake, but the context around it... Okay, here's another person.
00:10:42.000Who tweeted a blanket thing like, people are saying learn to code and it's funny.
00:11:17.000The What's Happening tab, for me, maybe many of you have noticed this, has been consistently and overtly political, and it's typically leftist politics.
00:11:27.000It's typically saying something about, you know, it'll say, Joe Biden did not shake hands with thin air, according to fact checkers.
00:11:35.000That's always what's going on in my What's Happening.
00:11:37.000All of a sudden, it's like, you like skateboarding, Tim?
00:11:41.000Well, I actually do like skateboarding, but you've never recommended that to me before.
00:11:46.000Something strange is going on, and when you look at some of these tweets... Let me see if, uh... I'll pull this one up right here.
00:12:09.000Referencing the red-headed libertarian, a good friend of the show, Josie, her Twitter handle is at TRHLOfficial.
00:12:17.000That account was abruptly suspended January 20th, 2021, after she pointed out that on January 9th, 2019, she predicted Joe Biden would run for president and Kamala Harris would be the VP.
00:12:32.000A year later, with no warning, for no reason, she got suspended.
00:13:21.000The activity is artificial because this is the ban hammer which had swung down on people like Josie, people like so many others that are getting these.
00:13:30.000Now it's being lifted and they're magically coming back.
00:13:33.000I don't think progressives are leaving.
00:17:04.000Yeah, I think they did it, and then I know Harmeet Dhillon is working on that one as well, where his censoring actually came at the behest I'm willing to bet that Twitter was operating fake accounts for the sake of quote-unquote health of the platform.
00:17:25.000That is, the platform was overwhelmingly being dominated by right-leaning voices.
00:17:31.000That liberals were overwhelmingly rejecting wokeness.
00:17:35.000A healthy platform, a good balance between left and right, right?
00:17:38.000Well, the problem is former hippie skateboarding liberal types and left-wing types like Tim Pool all of a sudden are saying, we got to vote for Trump.
00:17:47.000How much you want to bet Twitter said, we've got to, we have the mission on our hands.
00:17:52.000So we're going to ban a good chunk of the right.
00:17:54.000We're going to artificially inflate the left to fake the health of the conversation.
00:17:59.000Well, I think that almost gives them too much credit for doing something that's to the benefit of the whole.
00:18:06.000And I think there may be an element of that thought process in there.
00:18:09.000But I do think there was a big element, as in California, of political figures and corporate figures able to call the shots with Twitter so that some of the balance, or what may look like balance, is actually influence.
00:18:22.000And I think that's what makes the case for Twitter not just being a private company that can make its own policies, which is what people say when There's a question of do they have the right to censor people say, well, it's a private company.
00:18:33.000It's not really I argued in the last book that I wrote that it is a quasi official public government organization because of its contracts.
00:18:43.000Because it is beholden to the government, because it fears regulation if it doesn't abide by certain rules and requests, and it has admitted to taking directives from political figures and members of Congress who were not elected by us to control Twitter, but that's exactly what they've been allowed to do.
00:19:03.000The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
00:19:06.000The people at Twitter think they're on a glorious mission to save humanity.
00:19:10.000But if you have the majority of the American people saying, wokeness is not good, and you end up with post-liberals, these are people who voted for Democrats.
00:19:20.000I was supporting Bernie Sanders in 2016, and I did not vote for Trump.
00:19:24.000Now, here I am, having voted for Trump and the Republicans in 2020.
00:19:28.000That is them saying, uh-oh, something bad is happening because our worldview is being rejected.
00:19:59.000As a social media administrator for like six, five or six years at Mines, what would happen is you'd get people would be boosting stuff and they'd be posting stuff.
00:20:06.000And I'd go through and I'd be like, OK, all politics are not safe for work.
00:20:10.000I want to keep that conversation in its own area.
00:20:13.000And then I'd see something would come up that I would agree with.
00:20:15.000And I'd be like, wow, I agree with that, and I want that message to be propagated, but my job as an admin is not to make that decision.
00:20:22.000I have to put that in the bucket with all the other politics.
00:21:30.000I think Vijay Gowdey may have been crying at our Twitter meeting because they were doing something unethical, amoral, or potentially illegal.
00:22:16.000He's gonna see this We are going to jail dude, and then pulled the code out and that night boom Josie gets reinstated All of these learn-to-code people start getting reinstated.
00:22:27.000I think they were running an algorithmic ban on right-leaning users for saying things like learn-to-code.
00:22:34.000I bet there was a list of phrases that were obvious and overtly right-leaning.
00:23:19.000Also, Cheryl can beat- pretty sure she can beat us all up.
00:23:21.000What bothers me is that there's no way to- well, at this stage, there's no way to know if there's nefarious stuff going on in the Twitter code.
00:23:27.000I wish that we could watch that happen.
00:23:29.000It's another value of having the software be free.
00:23:31.000Well, if they went ahead and changed stuff really fast, is it too late now?
00:23:35.000Did they make changes that even if someone were to go in and try to see, is it too late?
00:23:39.000Look, I said this yesterday on War Room, and I'll say it here again.
00:23:50.000And I guarantee you that he knows people that he can bring in that when they actually peel back the curtain, look under the hood of this thing, they can go back as far as they have to go because he will bring in the highest caliber people.
00:24:04.000Because you see all the stories, by the way, in Business Insider, they say, oh, he's, you know, he's so demanding and he's always firing people.
00:25:09.000Department of Homeland Security forms disinformation governance board.
00:25:14.000Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said the board would work to prevent disinformation campaigns that target minority groups They lost Twitter, and this quickly, they are already trying to play dirty games.
00:25:28.000We have it over at the Daily Mail, where they mention it is being headed by a Russia expert who called the Hunter laptop story a Trump campaign product and said she shudders to think about Elon Musk taking over Twitter.
00:26:26.000Voters deserve the context, again, the keyword context, not a fairy tale about a laptop
00:26:33.000repair shop. She called it an influence campaign in the very next tweet.
00:26:38.000So we caught her in day one on the job lying about what she said about the Hunter Biden laptop, trying to cover it up.
00:26:47.000But I'm sorry, Nina, we got the receipts.
00:26:51.000Can I say that I find it a little odd that we've all bought into arguing over sort of the minutia of how this is done, instead of stepping back and looking at 2015 and the notion that anybody should control for any reason.
00:27:08.000So we're arguing, should they control a certain hashtag?
00:27:13.000Why are they controlling a hashtag in the first place?
00:27:16.000Before 2015, there was relatively little, if any, discussion over bringing in third parties, a corporation no less, to control the content that we can access and make our own decisions on on the internet.
00:27:30.000The social media companies had already invented tools where we could control our own experience.
00:27:34.000If you don't want to see something, if you want someone to call your experience, you can follow the right people, you can block other people.
00:27:41.000The notion that someone else should be doing that for us was introduced to us in about 2016 and we've kind of bought into it.
00:27:52.000There are reasons why this should be done and there are people who could maybe do it better instead of stepping back in my view and saying.
00:27:59.000Only that which is illegal should be moderated by anybody, in my view.
00:28:05.000So we had Torba from Gab on the show who said, here's my rules, and he pulls out the Constitution, and I'm like, agreed.
00:28:12.000Well, that's kind of what Elon's saying now, that his notion, and by the way, this is why these two stories are connected, because Elon said that his view, and he said this in that TED talk he gave last week, or it was actually an interview, I guess, That his notion should be that it should be up to the laws of the state in which Twitter is operating because those laws are reflective of the will of the people, I guess, if you're in a democracy, right?
00:28:37.000That being said, right, that being said, the very same way, the ink isn't even dry on the paperwork for Twitter and already the Biden administration is launching a ministry of truth.
00:30:11.000So we normally save superchats for the end, but sometimes we get a good one.
00:30:15.000We do have a good one here from Christopher who said, they're purging their code, but they're bringing back followers to make their earnings report look good so Elon can't buy.
00:30:23.000Now I don't know if that's true, that he wouldn't be able to buy if the earning report looks good, but this will affect the earnings report if Twitter comes out and says, we had a massive increase of users!
00:30:37.000He came to them knowing their earnings report was going to be bad and the stock would fall.
00:30:42.000And so they had no choice but to accept the premium because he made the offer only a couple weeks before they had to do their earnings report.
00:30:50.000If they did not accept the $54.20, earnings report comes out, stock drops to $30, the board can be sued for that massive loss by the shareholders who would be outraged.
00:31:31.000They defraud their investors by telling them that a bunch of accounts that they had anyway, that they were considering unbanning before, they just chose to do it to make some extra money, they're going to go to prison.
00:31:40.000That's why they're running around to everyone in the media saying, oh, no, no, no, this is organic.
00:31:46.000That's why they're making sure to give statements every single day to everyone who asks them.
00:31:51.000Josie getting unbanned is not organic.
00:31:53.000And they, in my opinion, lied to Congress.
00:31:57.000When they're like, there's nothing in place for censoring these people or politics, it's like, bro, your rules outright say misgendering will get you banned, but it's an inversion of how conservatives see what misgendering is.
00:32:11.000Their rules are overtly targeting conservatives, and they are lying to Congress about it, and they're not getting in trouble.
00:32:17.000I'm looking at the top 10 owners of Twitter.
00:32:18.000It's Vanguard, Morgan Stanley, BlackRock, SSGA Funds Management, Aristotle Capital Management, Fidelity Management, ClearBridge Investments.
00:32:44.000So they don't care about lying to Congress.
00:32:45.000They're going to send Jack Dorsey up there, tell him to lie to Congress, and then he's going to be the one that's on the hook if something goes wrong.
00:32:51.000But listen, what happens is they give themselves plausible deniability.
00:32:55.000They go to Jack and say, hey, Jack, here's the report on everything we're doing.
00:34:02.000No offense, Kate, but, you know, your fans are like bubblegum people.
00:34:05.000Didn't Barack Obama lose, you know, hundreds of thousands?
00:34:08.000Look, everybody knows that those main accounts, and Dave Rubin had the tweet up today, That the New York Times has 53 million followers and yet gets like 50 retweets per tweet.
00:34:20.000And Elon Musk even responded to that saying, what's going on?
00:34:23.000Actually, Rubin used to talk about this all the time.
00:34:26.000So the Rubin ratio is how many followers you have versus what is your engagement.
00:34:30.000Meanwhile, like, you know, I can write something in a certain way.
00:34:35.000You know, or drop receipts on someone like we just did with this government official Nita Jankowicz, catching her in a provable lie, in a demonstrable lie.
00:34:42.000And that's going to get tons of retweets.
00:34:44.000But a New York Times article with 53, you know, 1% of that, right, should be enough to get you tons of retweets.
00:34:50.000Didn't he say he could tweet a celebrity photo and a banana and it would get more tweets?
00:34:54.000See, I wasn't going to bring that up, Cheryl.
00:36:48.000And some people were tracking on governors.
00:36:50.000Actually, a mainstream outlet, I forget which one, was looking at Governor DeSantis' account, and they saw that some... But, but it was only like 10% of the followers were created on in April 22.
00:38:03.000If you scroll back on, so the way to check, people use this for identification purposes many times because typically some of the first accounts you follow will be geographically co-located.
00:38:16.000Yeah, so you might follow your local newspaper.
00:38:19.000Now, if you're in New York, that might be New York, but if you're in Minneapolis, you follow the Star Journal, right?
00:38:24.000Maybe you're in Nashville, maybe wherever you are, right?
00:38:26.000And so typically, if you scroll back on someone's Twitter followers, those are in sequential order.
00:38:34.000So you're actually looking at a timeline of when they followed each person.
00:38:39.000So if you go back to the earliest ones, usually the first two or three are going to be like New York Times, CNN, or Washington Post, because that's what's recommended to you.
00:38:50.000In many cases, when you're signing up for your account, they require that you follow three before you can sign up and they present those three to you.
00:39:14.000Everybody accuses everybody else of buying followers.
00:39:19.000You can't really track this stuff anymore.
00:39:21.000The bot farms have gotten really good at obfuscating this.
00:39:26.000What people used to do was track engagement.
00:39:29.000So they would look at a certain account and then run it through some program and it would be like 75% of their followers don't tweet, they're fake.
00:39:37.000And my response to people was, dude, if you go to Donald Trump and you run him through this, you're going to see 90% of his followers don't tweet.
00:39:44.000They're his fans who signed up for Twitter.
00:40:19.000In early YouTube, 2006-2007, I started noticing you get 1,000 subscribers and you get 8,000 subscribers.
00:40:24.000But I was only getting like 4,000 views.
00:40:25.000I'm like, where's those other 4,000 people?
00:40:28.000I wish I had a button where I could Have a bunch of accounts unfollow me, like unfollow me if they're dead accounts, if they haven't logged in in 30 or 60 days.
00:40:36.000Because I need to schleff that nonsense number.
00:40:39.000I want an accurate account of who's really there.
00:42:02.000Most people want to see the big numbers.
00:42:03.000They want the inflated, living on top of the hill of gold thing.
00:42:07.000It's like, you know, if you're going to make that actually like social currency, your follower number, then there needs to be some regulations about buying fake stuff.
00:42:14.000It's like counterfeiting money and telling everyone you're rich.
00:42:19.000Where this comes into an issue is when advertisers come up.
00:42:23.000Because if you're using bot traffic, and I'm going to be careful about this, the previous owners of Newsweek got in trouble for this.
00:42:31.000Because the previous owners, before they were bought out, were using bot traffic to juice their numbers, juke the stats, and then present that to advertisers, claiming that they were getting X amount of traffic, which was completely false.
00:42:46.000Well, so back in the day, there was this big scandal around ad rights distribution or ad rights sales.
00:42:52.000And an ad right was that you could have a website that gets a thousand views per month.
00:42:58.000You sell the rights to those views to a bigger network.
00:43:02.000The network aggregates 50 websites that each get, you know, a thousand views.
00:43:31.000Then you gotta pay for 50 million views.
00:43:34.000And then what would happen is, yeah, 5 million would be on Golden Brand, 5 million would be on clickfarm.garbage, the others would be on ultimateamericanpatriot.info, and what these websites would do is they advertise You know, top 25 celebrities.
00:43:51.000And then when you click it, it'll show you a celebrity.
00:43:55.000And in order to see the next picture, you got to click to a new page.
00:43:58.000Turning one person into 25 views that they can then fluff their numbers up, sell to advertisers.
00:45:04.000So what they're doing is they're, in some cases, they might be copying your work wholesale and then wrapping it on their site so that nobody ever actually clicks through to charlatans.com.
00:45:17.000But you're a click, you're reading it on, you know, whatever, what Tim is in clickfarm.garbage.
00:45:22.000And because they never clicked through to your site, you don't get any of the ad traffic.
00:45:26.000Is it too far off the beaten path for me to mention something about?
00:46:21.000There's no one who will answer the question.
00:46:23.000But I feel like there are these sneaky ways, even if you don't, they can't pull you down for blatantly violating something they say you violated.
00:46:30.000They find other ways to make it pretty impossible to operate.
00:46:33.000That sounds like an oversight developmentally rather than a malicious attack on you.
00:46:38.000I can't tell but that's what it sounds like.
00:46:40.000Except I didn't read anywhere that anybody else was.
00:46:42.000Usually you can Google something like that or search it and people are saying that happened to me.
00:46:46.000I have the same problem and I just don't see other people have it.
00:46:50.000I definitely saw a lot of people talking about Google AdSense sending out new terms.
00:47:08.000that recently said I had a violation and then if you click in there is no violation and it says if you don't fix it we're going to take down your page and you click to appeal and it says there's too many appeals we can't consider yours.
00:47:20.000It's a it's to me anyway it's a trap that I can't get out of so I just quit using my professional Facebook.
00:47:25.000Regarding Terms of Service, this is very important.
00:47:28.000When a company updates their Terms of Service and wants you to click accept on them, what they should have to do legally is show you the old Terms of Service and the new Terms of Service side-by-side with highlights of all the changes.
00:47:40.000So you can click in the areas, go right to the place that's been changed and see exactly what's been changed.
00:47:45.000Completely unconscionable the way they do it.
00:47:48.000I want to pull up this tweet from ContraPoints.
00:47:51.000ContraPoints is a prominent leftist YouTuber and trans woman who quoted the Elon Musk tweet of me and Vijay Gade and said, the Rogan clip he's referencing is about whether Twitter having a rule against misgendering trans people is, quote, left-wing ideological bias.
00:48:12.000And I wonder if Contra, tweeting this earlier today, with tremendous respect to ContraPoints for actually knowing the argument I made and getting it earlier in the day.
00:48:22.000Natalie Wynn, ContraPoints then says, Source.
00:48:25.000These are the people restrained by the current moderation that Elon apparently intends to remove.
00:48:30.000Says everything you need to know about the sort of place that this is about to become.
00:48:37.000I wanted to highlight this because this from ContraPoints, I believe, shows you exactly what the left's view of the platform is.
00:48:46.000So when I was on Rogan's show, I said, your rules are overtly biased.
00:48:51.000Jack Dorsey took issue with this and said, no, they're not.
00:48:54.000And I said, you have a misgendering policy.
00:48:58.000Conservatives do not agree with progressives on what misgendering means.
00:49:03.000To a conservative, if someone is born male, they are he him.
00:49:07.000To a progressive, if someone identifies with a pronoun, they are whatever pronoun they want.
00:49:23.000I am not saying it is good to misgender anybody.
00:49:25.000I'm saying if Twitter decides that the conservative perspective on this is out the window, and they will enforce with permanent removals the progressive worldview, then there is a biased system to the left.
00:49:40.000ContraPoints, and the fans of ContraPoints, believe it's a good thing that conservatives are not allowed to have their worldview on the town square and the largest political social media platform.
00:49:53.000Now, conservatives think the left should be allowed to have their views on the platform, but the right should as well.
00:49:59.000I just gotta say right there, this is why post-liberals, people who used to vote Democrat, used to vote for Bernie, are now finding themselves voting for Trump.
00:51:31.000Perhaps there are some people who would come out and say, I don't believe anybody who opposes free speech should be allowed on the platform.
00:52:01.000Well, I don't think Trump would ban you for reporting on Antifa doing it.
00:52:05.000I'm saying if Carl Benjamin goes on the platform and insults someone and calls them a name, so they ban him for it.
00:52:12.000I believe if it was run by staunch conservatives, people like Donald Trump, and you posted yourself burning a flag, you'd be banned for it.
00:52:19.000But this is also my point, though, is that if you're running this through some arbitrary system, you have some machine that's banning people, well, you start with saying, OK, I don't like the American flag burn.
00:52:33.000I personally don't like the American flag burn, obviously.
00:52:36.000But then you start banning people for showing that.
00:52:39.000Well, then if I'm reporting on Antifa or if you're reporting on whoever you're reporting on, right, and you have to show extreme symbols.
00:52:46.000So I remember I did an Antifa documentary.
00:54:04.00099% of the time, they're gonna be like, okay, whatever, and they're gonna walk off.
00:54:09.000Yet, for some reason, these people on Twitter are like, Not even Zuby, famously suspended for saying, okay, dude, not trying to misgender someone by calling them a dude, but just being like, okay, dude, like in response.
00:55:09.000I think having the government come in and say anything, it just compounds the situation that we're already in.
00:55:15.000I think that social media titans should have said when they were initially approached with trying to moderate and fake fact check and do all the things they do, their best answer for their own protection, too, would have been to say, we don't do it.
00:55:30.000As Tim said, Gab said, we only censor Or control that, which is illegal.
00:56:19.000Well, this does get into, though, the area that we're talking about where essentially what Elon has said, well, I want to just go with whatever the law is, and that's very noble.
00:56:32.000We've all come to agree that there are certain things that we want moderated, like doxxing, that aren't necessarily covered by the law.
00:56:42.000Yeah, like, and this is, maybe you don't want to moderate it, but like, white supremacy, for instance.
00:56:46.000You'll go to Twitter, it'll be white supremacy, you'll see a swastika, which is totally legal, big in your newsfeed, and you'll see all these people tagging you in it, and you'll be like, no, this is what would happen with an unmoderated, like, open network, and what'll happen is these people with these really niche Intense powerful even destructive ideas will go hard on it like all day because they're obsessed with it and they destroy the network any ability to have a normal communication like not want to be inundated with like You know political ideology and racism and all this crap So I get that the moderator is like we got to stop that we want to prevent another Hitler from rising up on our platform.
00:57:22.000Here's my I threw out a take on this the other day and it very much in line with what you're saying here is that when the Internet was still kind of in its infancy, Google used to have this idea called safe search.
00:58:05.000Now, as a dad, right, I know what sort of things I'm going to allow my kid to do.
00:58:10.000Same idea is that you go on and then you can set, maybe you can set certain, you could click, I don't want to see hate speech, right?
00:58:17.000And that's a filter and boom, you click that and then anything that Twitter, the good people at Twitter who have deemed to be hate speech, you don't see that.
00:58:25.000But it doesn't deny anybody the ability to use the platform.
00:58:31.000It'd be so easy to create a tool that says, if I'm someone I want a third party to moderate what I can see and I like what Twitter's doing, it should be an opt-in.
00:58:41.000And there can be different things you can opt into.
00:58:44.000I talked with Bill Ottman of Minds about this.
00:58:48.000Being of there being the overworld in the underworld and the underworld is whatever is legal.
00:58:53.000And so if advertisers have an issue, they don't advertise in the underworld portion, but people can opt in and say, I want to see everything from the underworld or I don't.
00:59:01.000And so you have your standard moderation policies, you know, which is they, you know, mines is still very much a free speech platform that allows a lot.
00:59:09.000But the real serious nasty stuff that you might not want to see or the outright, you know, hateful stuff, all of that will be considered, you know, underbelly versus overworld.
01:01:02.000Maybe I'm looking for something that's not true on purpose.
01:01:06.000And it's become very difficult, whether you're working on the internet or social media, to find the things I used to be able to find a lot more easily 10 years ago.
01:01:13.000I just want to say Elon Musk is the hero we need and deserve because he just tweeted, next I'm buying Coca-Cola to put the cocaine back in.
01:01:25.000Yo, these are the kind of tweets I strive for.
01:01:28.000Michael Malice, you should take heed of Elon Musk.
01:01:32.000Do you get the impression like All right, and I'm just gonna like this. This is my
01:01:37.000impression. I've never met Elon I don't think I know anyone who knows him or anything like
01:01:41.000this but my impression is that Elon just kind of really likes
01:01:45.000Twitter and he enjoys playing the game of Twitter and he's talked about
01:01:52.000this that you know, Twitter is like going into the ring and or going into the arena and
01:01:58.000It's like these people came and ruined the game. They ruined the fun of Twitter
01:02:02.000they ruined the great thing that Twitter was and He's just taking it back because he likes it so much and he
01:02:09.000wants it to be the way it was But doesn't he also know how it is to be an outlier or to
01:02:14.000Censored or left out of the I'm not talking about social media
01:02:35.000I was trying to pull up a tweet of his from earlier that I was looking at about free speech.
01:02:40.000I have a feeling that he's still of the mindset that free speech means that he has to moderate the network to allow people to do what they want.
01:02:47.000But God gives us the free speech, not you, Elon.
01:02:50.000What we need to do is free the software code so people can control their own network.
01:02:53.000So, Elon Musk, uh, did I actually lose that one?
01:04:55.000And Twitter said, okay, we'll ban some of them.
01:04:58.000The right was like, well, they banned them and I'm angry, but I'll stay on the platform because I can tolerate views I don't like.
01:05:05.000So Twitter said, how do we make both sides happy?
01:05:07.000Ban a bunch of conservatives because conservatives can tolerate it and the left can't.
01:05:11.000If Elon Musk actually restores free speech, as he's saying, they're primarily coming from the left, that will always be the case.
01:05:17.000There will be no circumstance where someone will do something overtly egregious on the right, and the right's going to be like, that's unfair, they should be allowed to do those things.
01:05:48.000I saw conservatives up and down attacking him for things, mocking him, ridiculing him, saying they disagreed with various takes that he had on various issues that YouTube probably doesn't want me to get into.
01:06:03.000I don't remember anybody on the right ever saying that Alex Jones should be taken off the air.
01:06:08.000I don't remember ever hearing that said once.
01:06:12.000What if conservatives came out and said, you should not be allowed to have your own pronouns, and Twitter should enact a policy that if you change your pronouns, you'll be banned?
01:07:20.000So a boycott is when one concerted group says, we are no longer going to support a certain industry, organization, company, or figure, right?
01:07:32.000Conservatives, I believe right now, are generally, I don't know if anyone's actually said this, but they're essentially boycotting Disney, right?
01:07:38.000Over the groomer situation, that whole scandal.
01:07:40.000And so that's going on as a boycott, but then I'll always see this and people will say, hold on, hold on.
01:07:47.000I thought you said you were against cancel culture.
01:08:14.000The cancel culture is afraid that without that, The popular sentiment would not be on their side.
01:08:22.000And when we talk about conservative versus liberal on the Internet, for example, and social media, I think part of that is because there's a control issue where certain factions, which are actually quite small minority in my view of people, Have been able to use social media in a controlled way to portray as if a greater section of the public feels that way.
01:08:48.000And I think they're afraid if people were to actually see what percentage of the public feels a certain way on certain topics, they would find that many liberals side along with conservatives on some issues.
01:09:00.000And sometimes these are very fringe, fringe discussions and issues getting a lot of attention because the social media is controlled.
01:09:08.000When left to their own devices, this stuff would fall along the fringe and would not look like it does today with this controlled conversation elevating certain issues and views to a level that's far beyond, I think, what they really are.
01:10:21.000He's at some website the kids use, right?
01:10:24.000And so prior to this, I mean, there were really no rules.
01:10:30.000The idea of someone even being banned on Twitter was almost unthinkable.
01:10:36.000It was unheard of that people would get suspended.
01:10:38.000It's certainly not for speech, anything like this.
01:10:40.000But There was a place on the internet where crazy people dwelt and the crazy met with more crazy and they combined to create exponential crazy.
01:10:52.000And this is a place No, it is the upside down of Tumblr and Tumblr essentially in that time space through things like Gamergate, the SJW wars, and then eventually Trump came on to Twitter and essentially occupied Twitter and specifically occupied the headquarters of Twitter.
01:11:45.000I was a national journalist who predicted repeatedly on National TV that he would win just because I was listening outside the beltway to regular people but once he won the left admitted including media matters the propaganda group and
01:12:00.000that they went and held meetings with Facebook and convinced Facebook to take this new tact,
01:12:05.000which was brand new, to do the fake fact checks, the moderations.
01:12:10.000They didn't call them fake fact checks, of course, but the notion that they would have
01:12:13.000to come on and prevent something like this from happening again.
01:12:17.000That whole notion was raised in a very organized fashion shortly after the 2016 election going
01:12:38.000So this is the great Time article that Ian's referring to, which was essentially that's That's when the serial killer has, you know, conducted their killings.
01:12:47.000That's the Zodiac sending the cipher to, what was it, the San Francisco Chronicle?
01:12:53.000You know, sending the letter off to let him know, let them know that it's been done.
01:13:00.000So they needed to know, they needed the world to know.
01:13:02.000And humans have this innate desire for credit, for their esteem to be stoked.
01:13:09.000So for that ego power, because so many people live off of ego alone because they're not in touch with, as I would say, they're not in touch with God.
01:13:18.000They're not in touch with the spiritual side of things.
01:13:47.000Thanks Time Magazine for blowing that one off the bow.
01:13:50.000People are... The secret history of the shadow campaign that saved the 2020 election.
01:13:56.000That's what it's called, the shadow campaign.
01:13:59.000I just want to mention, just a moment ago I said I was browsing Twitter and it's because I was in a message that Tucker Carlson was having a unique conversation.
01:14:42.000so tim pool of youtube fame with the help of the daily wires jeremy boring just put up a billboard
01:14:47.000in times square highlighting what the washington post tried to do to the founder of libs of tick
01:14:51.000tock and you're seeing on your screen now of course as predicted taylor lorenz says she's
01:14:55.000the victim here of course this billboard is so undeniably idiotic it's hilarious but don't forget
01:15:01.000these campaigns of a much darker and more violent side i'm grateful to be the newsroom that
01:15:05.000recognizes these bad faith politically motivated attacks and has a strong security team so she
01:15:10.000exposes the founder of libs of tick tock to violence but when you say her name you're a
01:15:14.000terrorist in other words stop hurting me she says as she punches you in the face these people
01:15:20.000This is what they were saying about Vijaya, right?
01:15:22.000They were saying that Sager and Cernovich get contacted by the Washington Post saying, what was your intention by including the name of the Twitter official in your reporting?
01:15:38.000First of all, they're all commenting on this political story that she apparently had broke down in tears during one of the meetings.
01:15:44.000So commenting on that story and then having Elon Musk respond to them somehow became them attacking her.
01:15:52.000I actually looked this up earlier today, and a lot of those websites, it's hard to tell when they do these estimates.
01:15:57.000She's worth anywhere between $30 and $70 million.
01:16:13.000This is a major public figure who has major control in the world, who's worth tons of money, but can't talk about her because that's an attack.
01:16:22.000Well, from wallmine.com, she has over $38 million worth of Twitter stock.
01:16:55.000I think if Twitter really is allowed to become an organic thing, the big story is going to be how everything changes when you see it reflect what people really think and feel.
01:17:08.000Instead of this balanced conversation as maybe Tim suggested.
01:17:13.000It's not so balanced and I'm not saying all views shouldn't be heard.
01:17:18.000But I think people will be surprised how small some of this group becomes and how big other groups become that you haven't heard much from because they've been suppressed.
01:17:29.000A problem that comes up on social media since the beginning, it seems like, is that the most popular thing gets more traction than everything else because it goes up on trending and then they're like, what's that?
01:17:37.000And then it just snowballs things, like crazy things can snowball, like the swastika.
01:18:33.000If you're very wealthy, you're giving them access to capital for whatever it is they want to do.
01:18:37.000And the popular posts on Twitter are getting more eyeballs on Twitter, so that's why they want the popular stuff at the top similar to having rich people.
01:19:25.000Or what they would do is they'd be like, I'm gonna comment on this video game story, but first, yo, we got this story about the supermodel.
01:20:12.000Then they realized, hey, wait a minute, all of these conservative, anti-woke, and libertarian personalities are getting a lot of traction because people like their ideas.
01:20:59.000But in my mind, I think we have to build a system where that can never happen again.
01:21:02.000But then I'm like, well, in times of war, you have to be able to censor the enemy.
01:21:06.000At least, if you don't, the enemy's propaganda will convince your people to kill you.
01:21:11.000That's what's... I honestly think Chinese propaganda is destroying us.
01:21:15.000Russia tried, they overreact as to what Russia was actually doing, but I think China's actually way more successful.
01:21:21.000And the reality is, yeah, we had an office of censorship in World War II because there were concerns that journalists, particularly, would put out information that would harm the war effort.
01:21:31.000Speaking of that, I got, this is amazing, Life Magazine from March 1944, which is, I think it's 44, but it's a magazine from two months, three months before D-Day.
01:21:45.000In the magazine, they show all of the American military power in the UK.
01:23:27.000They're going all throughout town And they act as if they're all members of various units that are there in the town, and yet none of it's real.
01:23:35.000So the German high command is getting all these reports back saying, hey, there's a ton of stuff going on right across from Calais, from this place called Dover.
01:24:23.000The deception operation was so extensive that even after D-Day, They kept the forces split because they still thought another invasion was going to be coming.
01:24:44.000This is one of the greatest military deception operations that you're talking about there that's ever been conducted.
01:24:50.000You think if Hitler wasn't a meth head that he would have taken the troops out of Calais?
01:24:54.000Well, no, I mean, I think it's game theory, right?
01:24:56.000I think it's game theory that if you don't have... Keep in mind, this isn't an age of satellites and, you know, thermal, you know, resonance imaging, IR, FLIR, any drones, etc.
01:25:48.000And Gulf War I was happening, actually 1989, I think it was around August, when Iraq invaded Kuwait.
01:25:54.000And we spent three years, I think, doing great coverage, but listening to, almost every day, Saddam Hussein's press guy give his view.
01:26:04.000And I think it would be, you know, not accurate to say that the people watching CNN were convinced by Iraq's press guy to take Iraq's viewpoint.
01:27:31.000In the film, they took little girls, these are real human beings, and they had them perform lewd dances for an extended period of time and be trained to do it.
01:27:47.000If an adult human male takes a little girl into a backroom and teaches her extensive lewd dancing... So are you suggesting... ...is not speech?
01:27:54.000Are you suggesting that imagery is not a form of speech?
01:28:25.000sexually abused children to make a piece of speech.
01:28:29.000Well, showing the movie is not the abuse.
01:28:33.000This comes up in the child porn arguments, and this was in Kataji Brown Jackson's stuff, is that every time you show the image, every time another person sees it, the child is then re-exploited.
01:28:44.000Okay, so that argument could be taken to Joseph Goebbels talking about the dehumanization of Jews.
01:28:48.000Every time you listen to him say that, he's doing something That's more than speech.
01:29:25.000I'm talking about other people showing video that might be harmful to the mind.
01:29:29.000You need to... I don't know if you need to censor it, but if you don't censor it, you can get really dangerous.
01:29:33.000The difference between Goebbels and Cuties is that, first of all, he was a Nazi and the Nazis did those things.
01:29:39.000But if you're referring to someone who is advocating for genocide, The question is, are they actively participating in doing it or just expressing themselves?
01:29:47.000When you're talking about cuties, you're talking about people who actively participated in exploiting little girls.
01:29:52.000So we're talking about genocide, just talking about it versus doing it.
01:29:58.000Facebook said that in certain areas of Europe, because of the Russia-Ukraine conflict right now, they are going to take off their normal ban on calls for violence, as long as you're calling for violence up to and including murder of anyone of Russian ethnicity.
01:30:54.000So on Twitter, if that goes up and then it gets a million retweets, and then all these people are like, yeah, I think that too, you're creating a dangerous precedent.
01:31:01.000Well, this was in the TED talk that Musk was doing, the guy interviewing him said, you know, some hate speech is legal, right?
01:31:46.000And prominent blue-check journalists have said this.
01:31:50.000I was told that that was a mistranslation, that they actually want to legally remove the borders and undo the country's formation, not kill the people and destroy it all.
01:32:00.000This is what Khamenei Jad, I think that's his name, the president of Iran for a while, was saying, I want Israel wiped off the map, but he was saying that he wants it literally redrawn and taken away because it was done unjustly.
01:32:11.000Not that he wanted to kill them, but the media was like, oh, he wants them wiped out?
01:32:14.000Now let's make him a villain and say that he wants to hurt people.
01:32:16.000I don't think there's any point in trying to dissect the Israel-Palestine conflict in
01:32:37.000Not just that, out of the basement of the AP's headquarters, where they were operating, and the AP had an office in Gaza City, co-located with one of these rocket bases, and never once reported on it.
01:33:04.000One of the only things I know I was banned for on Facebook was fairly recently, I posted a Goebbels quote that simply said something like, with no context, it is quite possible knowing the psychology of the audience to convince people that a square is in fact a circle.
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01:35:31.000Uh, usually what happens is, I don't know if it's a legitimate fart, but chickens, when they poop, they're, there's like, you know, it's, it's, so it's a, it's a shart.
01:35:41.000Because you'll hear it when they, you know, so chickens have one hole, one, well, two, their mouth, but you know, in the back end, one, even the roosters, it's called the cloaca.
01:35:51.000So they've got the liquid stuff, the solid stuff and the eggs all going through the same place.
01:35:56.000So the eggs often come out covered and, you know.
01:35:58.000I think there was a kid who set used to sit next to me in like fifth grade who had that.
01:36:44.000I love how there was a report that came out that said on the day that he purchased Twitter, it was the same day that he has like a weekly meeting over, I think it was with Tesla over some valve issues or maybe it was SpaceX, I'm not sure which one, but they pointed out that he went to this meeting at 10 p.m., had this super high level engineering meeting about valves and they're improving the efficiency.
01:37:07.000No one in the room mentioned anything about Twitter.
01:37:11.000And Elon is just going way down the rabbit hole of this like highly technical process.
01:37:19.000He's just completely able to compartmentalize this stuff.
01:37:22.000And so his Twitter account will literally be, you know, trolling the media, trolling the media, trolling the media, and then rocket launch.
01:38:27.000If you've, um, I mean, if you've committed a crime, the only time that I've ever, that I would ever even say that it's not unethical is if someone's committed a crime and you need to identify the person.
01:38:40.000There was this case, you know, it's not even political, but out of Cedar Rapids, this Lily Peters case.
01:38:46.000I don't know if any of you have seen it.
01:38:47.000It's just a horrific 10-year-old girl.
01:38:50.000And there were people who, based on Facebook, were pretty sure that they knew who the perpetrator was.
01:38:56.000It later came out that it was the cousin, who's also underage.
01:39:38.000But there is a distinction within military ranks of the E ranks of enlisted all the way up to the MCPON in the Navy, and then the O ranks, which start at O-1 and then go all the way up to the CNO.
01:40:40.000Amber Black says, the irony of Nina being in charge of the Ministry of Truth and a Harry Potter fan is in the books.
01:40:45.000The Ministry and Voldemort censoring news and speech wasn't exactly supposed to be a good thing.
01:40:49.000Yeah, I'm not like, I'm not a huge Harry Potter person, but I've seen, I have seen the movies and that's like a whole thing in Harry Potter, right?
01:43:21.000Sometimes their intentions are good and it's even worse.
01:43:24.000But I guess what is good and evil really?
01:43:26.000Well, for me, it's a combination of things that make up what would be evil or good.
01:43:36.000I think evil is a combination of things.
01:43:38.000For these people, they are motivated by their own self-interest, motivated by their own ego, and they're willing to use force and violence and cause harm to other people.
01:43:47.000These things combine, and I'm like, yeah, that's evil.
01:43:50.000There's also money behind it that use those kind of people that are true believers to accomplish the goal.
01:43:57.000And you've outlined this in your work that, you know, there's a tier of people who are just kind of hired because they are, as you say, the true believers that they're never going to question this.
01:44:07.000You know, this is a lot of the frontline people that you see on TV, especially at CNN.
01:44:11.000If you try to actually talk to them about any of these issues, they would never be able to have the discussion that we're having right now.
01:44:18.000Christopher says, yes, they are purging their code, but they are also bringing followers to make their earnings report look better to tell Elon he can't buy.
01:44:25.000Now the problem there is, if the shareholders vote no on the sale, they have to pay Elon Musk $1 billion.
01:44:39.000The shareholders are like, if we back out of the deal, We're going to have to pay Elon a billion bucks, and then that's going to cause the stock to tank.
01:44:49.000But not just the stock will tank, not just because Elon's, the deal's done, like being canceled, but also because they're losing a billion dollars and will struggle to operate, the company would implode.
01:45:03.000JS Fahler says, any changes Twitter makes to their source code is tracked by their version control system, GitHub.
01:45:08.000They can mess with the history, but unless they are very careful, it will look suspicious to an expert.
01:45:12.000I was just going to say, if someone made a change based on that theory or wrote, you know, change back to what's real, and then someone came back in and changed it back, that's going to show.
01:47:54.000Ayabat says, it was just revealed this evening that Edward Snowden was one of the original creators of Zcash, a cryptocurrency that enables encrypted transactions.
01:48:02.000I thought you should, you all should know.
01:48:40.000Little Pressure Washing says, Tim, me, my wife, two daughters, 15 chickens, five goats, three dogs, one cat, all watch you here and are loyal members and proud to continuously support your amazing work, bro.
01:49:07.000Yeah, this looks like from Forbes, Edward Snowden revealed his key participant in mysterious ceremony creating 2 billion anonymous cryptocurrency.
01:49:50.000If you this is something that we noted in one of my group chats, we're talking about this, that.
01:49:56.000If you tweeted, right, and this is totally anecdotal, I have no idea if this is true, so don't mess with this, you know, mess with this at your own, you know, risk, whatever the, you know, at-home kids thing is.
01:50:06.000If you just tweet about Leah Thomas, you weren't getting banned.
01:50:10.000But if you included Rachel Levine, you were getting banned.
01:50:35.000Ron Quay says, I find it hilarious that people have been asking for government help when it comes to social media bias for years with no results.
01:50:41.000And now that Elon bought Twitter, they're jumping on the opportunity.
01:50:45.000Babylon Bee had a headline, um, eccentric billionaire does more for freedom of speech than the Republican party has in 20 years.
01:54:26.000Because and I'm like, I got too many roosters already, dude.
01:54:29.000So I think we've got we've got a plan for Roberto.
01:54:32.000He's actually going to be retiring not to the boys dormitory, but to a smaller chicken city to go out to the country with only a few hens and and live out his days.
01:54:45.000We have the boys dorm, which is only gonna be roosters because you can house roosters together as long as there's no girls, you put a girl in there and they're gonna be fighting.
01:54:52.000But no girls, they all hang out there.
01:56:45.000Matt Nill says, Tim, I live in Florida.
01:56:47.000I listen to IRL on my drives throughout the state.
01:56:50.000As a truck-roving fresh fish, Governor DeSantis vetoed HB741, which limits the amount of power a citizen can sell back to the FPL if they have solar panels.
01:57:03.000I like the idea that if you have solar panels and you make too much energy, they kick you back some, but there's limits in most places.
01:57:09.000Well, let me say, this is a topic of my TV show Sunday.
01:57:13.000In California, they're supposedly reimbursing for the solar at a rate that's way out of whack with what's actually being provided, which means the electric customers are subsidizing the solar customers, which means poor people are subsidizing the people living in the new houses that are required to have solar in California.
01:57:33.000Let's see, Briss Brofer says, Tim and Ian, would someone who works with federated identity protocols, such as SAML, OAuth, et cetera, and an enterprise level have a home with the TimCast team?
01:57:45.000I suggest putting up a job board of some sorts.
01:57:48.000Yeah, message me on Twitter or on Mines.
01:57:52.000I'm actually looking for a UX developer that, and also, give me a minute.
01:57:57.000I'm going to go grab some paperwork that I was writing earlier, and I'll let you know in a minute.
01:58:01.000NewTekHD says Elon's latest tweets are not free speech absolutists anymore, especially when he says he wants only 80% of the audience in this controlled opposition.
01:58:11.000Is this controlled opposition to make sure Truth Social doesn't succeed and hide the ball when GOP investigations might start?
01:59:25.000Well, part of, part of it is also, so there were indications that an invasion was coming.
01:59:30.000One of the issues though, and so the N2 for PECOM at the time was this guy by the name of
01:59:36.000Commander Layette, who later became Admiral Layette. And And the issue wasn't that, like, obviously, we knew the Japanese fleet was no longer in Tokyo, right?
01:59:46.000You know, this is something that I learned when I was Navy Intel training.
01:59:48.000So we knew, obviously, we knew they had left, like, we're not that bad.
01:59:53.000But the issue was, they weren't sure where the attack would be.
02:00:01.000Well, what people didn't, what they didn't foresee, and this is what Layette had said, but they didn't listen to him, was that it was actually all three at once.
02:00:09.000And they said, Oh, they thought they're never going to attack US territory.
02:00:12.000There's no way that's beyond their capabilities, etc.
02:00:15.000And keep in mind prior to then, because aircraft carriers were kind of the big thing that, or excuse me, were kind of the new thing that all of naval combat was battleship based.
02:00:28.000Of course, we lost a lot of our battleships in that, but our carriers were out.
02:00:31.000They used their carriers to great effect, but in doing so, that made U.S.
02:00:36.000Naval Command have to put more emphasis on the carriers and really create that carrier doctrine, which is what ended up winning the war in the Pacific Wars.
02:03:59.000So the top layer of the stage will fold up against the wall and it'll expose a foam pit so you can launch and do flips and land in the foam pit.
02:04:07.000I would be so down to make the foam pit just a bunch of MyPillows.
02:04:19.000But that only works if you go to MyPillow.com and utilize promo code POSIP for up to 65% off sleep like Joe Biden sleeps through an international crisis.
02:04:31.000All day, every day at Toys and Sundaes.
02:04:32.000So we're gonna have 31 foot high ceilings.
02:04:35.000And you're gonna be able to, like on the top of the studio, because the studio's gonna be second floor, there's gonna be a third floor.
02:04:40.000It would be super cool to do a massive pile of my pillows and have someone jump, like get a pro to like jump off the third floor and land in the pillows.
02:04:47.000You'd have to get the highest firmness of the pillows.
02:04:53.000Hey guys, Ian Crossland from iancrossland.net.
02:04:55.000If you want to get in touch, and I am looking for a couple of developers where we have this open source project that we've been working on, a charity that we're building right now, and we need a couple of pieces.
02:05:03.000I need, like I said earlier, a UX developer that wants to commit some time over the next couple of months.