Joe Biden's Taiwan gaffe, a record high gas price spike, and a possible civil war? All that and more on this week's episode of Freedom Tunes. Hosts: Seamus Coghlan ( ) and Ian Crossland ( ) are joined by Joe Allen ( ) to discuss it all.
00:01:07.000And I don't know if this was a powerful statement from a strong president saying, I'm issuing a red line Or a gaffe from an absent-minded, broken-brained president who is gaffing us towards World War III.
00:01:19.000Considering even his own administration is walking things back and the press is trying to cover up for what he said, it seems like Joe Biden is just gaffing us into World War III.
00:01:29.000So we'll definitely have to talk about that and the potential risks involved.
00:01:33.000I think err on the side of gaffe with this guy.
00:04:07.000Anyway, I'm here too, pushing buttons.
00:04:08.000I got a message from Luke Rydkowski, he said he was, he's like, I'm gonna come back soon so everyone can just, you know, tweet at him and let them know how much they love him and how much he should come back.
00:04:24.000It's like, it's gonna be six bucks by August.
00:04:26.000We'll get in on it, we'll get in on it.
00:04:27.000Before we get started, ladies and gentlemen, head over to TimCast.com.
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00:04:58.000would intervene with military to defend Taiwan.
00:05:02.000The AP reports, President Joe Biden said Monday the U.S.
00:05:05.000would intervene militarily if China were to invade Taiwan, declaring the commitment to protect the island is even stronger after Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
00:05:15.000Quote, I'm quoting the AP here, it was one of the most forceful presidential statements in support of Taiwan's self-governing in decades.
00:06:07.000Joe Biden just came out and just said that, effectively ending multi-decade long policy on how the U.S.
00:06:13.000approaches China and basically just telling China to go screw up.
00:06:17.000So if someone who is cognitively functioning said yes, I'd be like, whoa.
00:06:25.000But I think what really happened is we know the U.S.
00:06:27.000does want to intervene with military in the event China invades Taiwan, but nobody's gonna come out and say it.
00:06:33.000But, you know, Joe Biden and his son's setting, so it's like it's getting late in the day and he's like, and then they say it and he just his filters off.
00:07:02.000Bloomberg covers for the president, saying he was misspeaking.
00:07:05.000And the AP covers for the president, saying it was a truly forceful statement.
00:07:09.000Yeah, we're gaffing towards World War III and just... It's almost like it's dangerous to have a... Nice, by the way.
00:07:16.000It's almost like it's dangerous to have a president who's experiencing cognitive decline.
00:07:19.000You know, I think there's only one way to bring this administration back, and that's for Joe Biden to become the first celebrity endorsement of Neuralink.
00:07:27.000Once that happens, then we can go forward.
00:07:30.000And of course, you know, as much as I oppose pretty much everything that Elon Musk is about, aside from this free speech and the chicks, I think that, you know, he would probably bring it back around if he could tweak the Neuralink to start making Biden say ridiculous things, more ridiculous things than he does now.
00:07:47.000For instance, if he could have him turn to Nancy Pelosi and say that your hair looks like it smells so delicious.
00:07:57.000But I agree, like, if there's anybody who should get Newell and gets Joe Biden, he needs some kind of... The uppers clearly aren't working anymore.
00:08:03.000Maybe this is kind of like the missing footage from Idiocracy.
00:08:07.000You know, before everything goes down, World War III wipes out all the rest of the smart people due to some ridiculous president.
00:08:16.000No, we all get on Elon Musk's starship and leave.
00:08:59.000I just saw an article about quantum, uh, some sort of quantum telescopes that can check underground and like map the underground now, all the caverns and stuff.
00:09:08.000I was just thinking about Biden a couple of days ago while I was back at my parents.
00:09:11.000I was kind of off the, off the internet thinking like, if you have a military commander that's incompetent or that's losing his mind or her mind, you need to replace them immediately with, with another form of command.
00:09:22.000Unfortunately, the president's a little awkward situation because it's not like a general.
00:09:36.000I mean, it's funny because it's a joke because of like a few gaffes she's had.
00:09:41.000But when you really look at what she said, she's not speaking.
00:09:44.000It's like she sits down and she's imagining what's going on in her head as she's being interviewed and she's like, don't screw up, don't screw up, say words, say words.
00:09:53.000And she's not actually telling anybody anything.
00:09:55.000She's like, as the vice president, you have to be vice presidential to be the vice president on a vice presidential mission for the vice president.
00:11:55.000But they're so entrenched, these 80-year-old billionaires or millionaires, with these people that are like, I don't know how tight Nancy Pelosi and Klaus Schwab are.
00:13:34.000But when you're talking about, to me, I take a profoundly negative view of the wider possibilities of technology.
00:13:42.000I think that, you know, in the end, technology is always about control.
00:13:46.000And Conceivably, it's about a human controlling nature, controlling society, controlling themselves.
00:13:54.000But that means that the vast swath of humankind is going to be subject to that control.
00:14:01.000And the desire for that power, the capabilities that we already have now, that you already see in Google, Facebook, Amazon, This already has momentum that you break them up, great.
00:14:13.000You've at least diminished some of their power.
00:14:15.000But I think that ultimately, long view, we've got to go down the dark, dark tunnel before we get to the light.
00:14:21.000You mean like, ayahuasca journeys where people see their inner demons and stuff?
00:14:26.000You know, it doesn't take ayahuasca for me to see the inner demons, but now that you mention it, we won't go there.
00:15:23.000If we can start inspiring young people and say, these are the values that are good and they should hold, everything else becomes secondary.
00:15:30.000As those kids age, everything else gets washed away with the new generation.
00:15:33.000So it really is about inspiring young people with good values is the most powerful and important thing you can do to fix these problems.
00:15:39.000One of the things I noticed being out of town and on the road, I was just not tapped into the information, and it was like I realized the amount of information overload I've been exposed to in the last two years, and how clear things started to get when I wasn't exposed to Twitter.
00:15:53.000And then even if I pulled up for five minutes, I'd start to feel this dark negativity, and I'd see a few people arguing, and like, man, I'm gonna have to withdraw that from my brain for a while.
00:16:01.000That might have something to do with the darkness, which actually isn't evil.
00:16:03.000Like, too much light will burn you, so you need to sometimes have no thought.
00:16:08.000What was it, uh, Jack Dorsey called Twitter the light of global consciousness?
00:16:14.000He said that he was something to the effect he's happy to pass the torch of the light of global consciousness to Elon Musk.
00:16:20.000And this concept of Twitter being Something mystical of that sort.
00:16:25.000I mean, that sits at the heart of transhumanism.
00:16:27.000But to me, you know, you look at this argument people are having right now about free speech on Twitter, which I do think it's good that if we are going to be stuck in what James Poulos calls the cyborg vivarium, at least everyone gets a say.
00:16:42.000But it doesn't change the fact that we're still stuck in that cyborg vivarium, right?
00:16:48.000We're still We're in a digital surveillance system.
00:16:51.000We're in a, basically, a 24-7 propaganda machine that's pouring all this irrelevant, ultimately irrelevant information into your brain and distracting you from what I think are the most important things.
00:17:03.000I mean, all this started with broadcast media.
00:17:09.000Even before then, newspapers were weak, they weren't as strong.
00:17:12.000But they were the most influential medium, so they would write stuff, people would believe it.
00:17:16.000Then you get radio, they say it, people believe it.
00:17:18.000Then you get broadcast towers, television, the networks, they say it, people believe it.
00:17:22.000Now with the Internet, nobody knows what to believe.
00:17:25.000I mean, the disinformation expert herself was sowing disinformation, and now doesn't even under— I don't think Nina Janko has even truly understood exactly why people were mad at her, because she lives in a disinformation bubble herself.
00:17:40.000So I love it when people who don't do research accuse people who do of not knowing, you know, the truth or reality, and everyone's accusing each other.
00:17:48.000There are very few people who can see more than others because they're trying.
00:17:54.000So everybody's, you know, we're all trying to figure things out.
00:17:57.000But I think at this point, the way technology is going, you're just going to think something's true and you're not going to know who to believe or who to trust.
00:18:05.000And there's nothing you can do about it.
00:18:06.000Did you guys hear the War of the Worlds 1938 radio drama?
00:18:14.000I was told that when that played on the radio, people actually thought it was real and that aliens were actually invading and people killed themselves.
00:18:20.000Some people, people would come out looking for aliens.
00:18:22.000I don't know if that's true though, is it?
00:18:29.000I can remember when I was a young man, my grandfather told me that when the first dirigible, it was like a glowing golden dirigible, floated over this small town in Georgia, this woman went under her bed.
00:18:41.000She thought it was the angels coming to end the world, and two or three days later, they found her there.
00:18:46.000They looked around for her, they found her there, and she was completely terrified.
00:18:51.000These sorts of things, I mean, you look at the cargo cults, all these sorts of, you could say, atavistic misinterpretations of what technology really is, that's really common.
00:19:03.000With the Orson Welles story, though, I think it's just really hilarious.
00:19:06.000Can you imagine if they just played Cloverfield on television today like it was a news broadcast without telling people it was a movie?
00:19:13.000Well, the crazy thing is, when I was in Austin, I went to Waco.
00:19:17.000I actually went to Mount Carmel, where the site of the Waco massacre.
00:19:22.000And, you know, with all due respect to the people who are running it, very nice woman, they did have fake news.
00:19:28.000They had the meme of, what was the name, Chipman, the ATF guy, who was there, holding the picture of the burning church or whatever, which is not a real photograph.
00:19:52.000And they were like, oh, we didn't know that.
00:19:54.000So people, deepfakes, very much are impacting people.
00:19:57.000And I don't mean deepfakes in the sense that they're intentionally misleading.
00:20:00.000Like, no wonder Snopes is fact-checking satire because a lot of people just believe this stuff because they don't know what's true or what's false.
00:20:13.000In fact, it is one of the biggest problems, and I would dare say that my entire career is an effort to try and debunk false information.
00:20:21.000The only problem is it's coming from corporate press with billions or trillions of dollars over, you know, a decade or whatever, to just keep pumping out disinformation.
00:20:30.000Sometimes it feels like you're trying to knock down a skyscraper with a little hammer, a little ball-peen hammer.
00:20:44.000I'm not necessarily saying the digital spaces, but that's part of it.
00:20:47.000But I think that at least half the country, if not more, is completely cynical about what comes out of the corporate press.
00:20:53.000And those conversations on the ground, and also in the media, digital media space, I do see a real hope of people having some degree of anchoring or sanity in all of this madness.
00:21:06.000Let me pull up this tweet from former disinformation czar Nina Jenkiewicz.
00:21:11.000She tweeted in a longer thread about a piece that she had previously published.
00:21:16.000In one of her tweets, in the thread, she says, Since this piece was published in summer 2020, the spread and effects of disinformation on American society have only worsened and become entrenched in domestic politics, as the last few weeks of my life have shown.
00:21:31.000This is the type of work I had hoped to do at DHS, and the type of work the USG sorely needs to invest in.
00:21:37.000This is the type of work that I have built my career on, not a few contextless tweets, and this is the type of work I will continue in the public sphere.
00:21:45.000I said, disinformation specialist claims the US Disinformation Board was to focus on domestic issues, a shocking admission.
00:21:56.000Now that she's out, she's outright saying, oh, all of this disinfo is in American politics, and that's what I wanted to focus my work on.
00:22:04.000She responded, I'd encourage you to read the paper that I'm referencing, which is entirely focused on hostile state disinformation.
00:22:13.000She then responded to a few other people the same thing, saying, the thread you're citing, which you've removed the initial context to, is in reference to a paper about hostile state disinfo.
00:22:21.000You can disagree with my assessment that it affects domestic politics discourse, but the strategy described in the paper is the work I'm referring to.
00:22:28.000It's almost like she doesn't understand.
00:22:30.000I would assume she outright doesn't get it.
00:22:35.000The issue is, there is no difference from what she claims to be Russian disinfo and typical American politics.
00:22:43.000She is someone who has tweeted out the Russian disinformation line uncritically without fact-checking.
00:22:48.000When it turns out it was true, the Hunter Biden laptop story.
00:22:51.000She says, I was just quoting what the president said.
00:22:54.000Yes, you were pushing out disinformation without fact checking, without any critical assessment, just repeating what the liar Joe Biden was saying about his son and the illicit deals they were doing.
00:23:05.000If you did Any amount of work you would have seen that there are illicit dealings from Hunter Biden with Burisma in Ukraine and China.
00:23:12.000You would know about Joe Biden flying his son in Air Force Two into China for private equity deals, but she's done no research on any of this, blindly pushes lies, and then says, I want to work on these issues affecting domestic politics, but that's out of context when you say my work would have involved domestic politics.
00:23:27.000If she thinks the Hunter Biden laptop story Was misinformation or disinformation.
00:23:32.000If she was unwilling to actually look into what that was as an expert on it, she absolutely was going to be interfering with First Amendment issues.
00:24:38.000That's an acceptable answer, I mean, honestly.
00:24:40.000I don't think she's lying about being pregnant or anything like that.
00:24:43.000Well, we don't have a disinformation board to investigate it, so without that, we can never know if she's pregnant or not.
00:24:49.000Yes, what really bothers me is that Americans would get caught in the crossfire of this or collaterally damaged by this disinformation specialist hammering down on things that they think are like foreign actors or, you know, like how can you discern if it's a 12 year old in Russia with a VPN or a 17 year old in Dubuque, Iowa?
00:25:07.000I mean, they might think they can, maybe they think they do, but I mean, the Russian would want you to think it's Dubuque, the Dubuque guy would want you to think it's Russian, so like, Who in their right mind thinks they have the hammer on that?
00:25:19.000You look at all the things that Nina Jenkiewicz is about, right?
00:25:22.000And especially with the laptop instance.
00:25:50.000And when they did, they pretended as if they were right the whole time, or as if the situation was evolving.
00:25:55.000But at this point, after two and a half years of it, really, you know, for me, 42 years of it, but Two and a half years of it, I just see no reason at all to take these people on good faith at all.
00:26:06.000Totally agreed, and I've mentioned this before on the show, but they argue that the science changes, and fair enough because science does change, but if you're going to make that admission and you're going to fall back on that whenever you have to change the narrative, you do not get to admonish people for posting information that conflicts with the narrative when you have decided that that is the case, at least for the time being, right?
00:26:25.000So when it comes to the lab leak hypothesis, that's the most famous and obvious example.
00:26:28.000They claim that that was disinformation, misinformation, people shouldn't be allowed to spread it.
00:26:32.000Then, as soon as it became more accepted for people to believe that, they were able to absolve themselves of any wrongdoing by saying, well, the information changed.
00:26:41.000Okay, fair enough, information changes, but then you don't get to censor people who present alternate information.
00:28:15.000But every single time I talk to a lawyer about Section 230 protections, about, you know, Twitter outright saying, our staff will now determine what's true, and I'm like, okay, come on, at a certain point, they have to have, like, stepped over the line, right?
00:28:29.000Here's what I hear section 230 does not say that you aren't allowed to edit you're allowed to do good faith moderation 230 actually protects that and then I'm like, okay Which means we need a judge to tell us to interpret the law to find out what that limitation is not just sit back and go I guess we can't do anything ever Yeah, they've been slow to pick up on that the last 15 years.
00:28:52.000We need some serious social media, I guess you call it legislation or law, lawfare.
00:28:58.000People really need to start taking these social media networks seriously.
00:29:01.000Well, you know, to the extent they're a monopoly, and I think they are really a de facto monopoly, it certainly falls under the First Amendment, right?
00:29:08.000I mean, if these are really, if this consists of 80 to 90% of the public conversation, it's no longer private corporations.
00:29:16.000These people pretty much control all of the information flow at that point.
00:29:53.000I've heard the argument, well, you can't because it's users who compile all of this.
00:29:57.000And I'm like, okay, let's break down that standard real quick.
00:29:59.000Let me, let me, let me, let me break down what you're telling me.
00:30:01.000You're telling me that if I create an automatic process by which I will publish your articles under my name, I cannot be sued for defamation?
00:30:11.000So if I get 10,000 people right now to all add one word, no one can be sued.
00:30:17.000That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
00:30:33.000Let's develop a program where as soon as you load the browser, it knows you're here, a cookie or something, so you get one word to add based on your position in line.
00:30:46.000You're the first person in, you get to add the first word.
00:31:11.000The person who made the platform that allows it to go out needs to be responsible, especially if Wikipedia is putting from Wikipedia under every article.
00:31:20.000But every time I talk to a lawyer, I hear the same thing.
00:31:27.000Because certainly, if it's true that you can't sue Wikipedia or Twitter or any of these platforms, then there is no longer any civil tort or defamation clause.
00:32:21.000The first person to log in gets the first word.
00:32:24.000Every time you load it, you'll be placed in line behind someone else.
00:32:27.000And if they don't write a word, then after 15 seconds, their position expires.
00:32:32.000Then you move up and you can add your next word and then someone else can add the next word.
00:32:35.000And then you just get 50,000 people who all add one word to the great news article that is, I don't know, Nancy Pelosi or Taylor Lorenz or whatever.
00:32:42.000And then they can't do anything about it.
00:32:44.000And then we'll put it on Times Square billboard.
00:32:46.000Okay, well, first of all, that just sounds insanely fun.
00:32:50.000And the second thing is that this is an incredibly big loophole that apparently no one else is taking advantage of, and I think that we should absolutely do something like this.
00:33:26.000You know, talking about the technological freight train that is social media and the current media ecosystem, I mean, what you're talking about with Wikipedia really is the same sort of thing that you see with the New York Times, Washington Post, when they use unnamed sources, where they say such-and-such said this, and, you know, people's lives have been destroyed by that so many times.
00:33:47.000people's reputations have been completely sullied because once you put
00:33:51.000out a story that says an unnamed source said this or just simply this person
00:33:55.000accuses this person of being a racist or a rapist or whatever once that's out
00:33:59.000there and they know this that's what's going to be in the public consciousness
00:34:02.000so I mean Wikipedia is one fine example but I would say that the entire media
00:34:08.000ecosystem is it exemplifies how quickly disinformation spreads and how little
00:35:39.000People are, you know, everything from undergrads, possibly up to the grad level, who knows, people are encouraged to seek out these sorts of We'll say homogenized conformist sources in the public, you know, in the public education system.
00:35:55.000I really do think, though, that independent communities are everything from radical Catholics to, you know, radical hippies to just, you know, your average right-winger.
00:36:07.000Your average, you know, right-winger with a pistol.
00:36:10.000I think that there is this really deep cynicism and skepticism towards the mainstream right now, and if that can be latched on It will take time, but in time you will have a generation that comes up that's able to handle this.
00:38:24.000After Hillary Clinton's emails came out, 2016 or so on, thereabout, I tried to go into Wikipedia and change it and be like, her emails implicated Sidney Blumenthal, you know, Osprey Global Solutions, setting up shop in Libya, and immediately within like 10 seconds it was removed.
00:38:38.000So I don't know who's in charge, who's overseeing it.
00:38:40.000It was true stuff that I was looking at.
00:38:42.000Look up, you know, Hillary Clinton, Sidney Blumenthal, Osprey Global Solution emails, you'll find it.
00:38:46.000I mean, there's definitely a slant there, obviously.
00:38:51.000One of the guys who helped form Wikipedia pointed this out, that when it was formed under the ideals of community contributions, creating this amazing platform, they were sincere.
00:39:43.000You know, I'm a fairly moderate person, so they're like, you know, but if you're right wing, they write all of the worst possible things about you.
00:41:26.000Eight months later, long before Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine, that price was up over 30%, and it has been going up consistently since.
00:41:35.000What are you doing to reverse this administration's policies that are drawing down our own supply of energy in this country, that are throttling oil and gas production in the United States of America?
00:42:55.000And can I just point out something I think common sense?
00:42:59.000When you have a political party that has been screaming climate change and carbon emissions, do you think they're the party that's going to get you cheap gas?
00:43:10.000If you are someone who is also worried about climate change, you're probably happy that Joe Biden did those things.
00:43:15.000The repercussions are regular working-class people aren't going to be afforded to drive, food prices are going to skyrocket, there's going to be shortages of diesel, and if we have to tap into these strategic reserves, I wonder, considering the fertilizer shortage already, what's food going to look like this fall when the harvest comes and ain't nothing coming through?
00:46:07.000I mean, slow changes, build new infrastructure to hold up our civilization with alternate energies, nuclear power sounds like a great idea.
00:46:15.000I'm a big fan of renewables, tidal energy, geothermal, all really great.
00:46:19.000Instead, it just seems like the people who are deeply concerned about climate change, and they're allowed to.
00:46:29.000But it's... I think the real argument here...
00:46:34.000Is human experience versus non-human experience.
00:46:38.000That is to say, if you were to just shut off the oil right now like Greta Thunberg wants and just kill 60 some odd million people, because all of a sudden, I mean, as I have to mention, diabetics are the first to go when the power goes out.
00:46:49.000Then it's, you know, no food, no transport, no heating.
00:46:53.000So you really are just the people who are vulnerable, just 60 million I think is the estimate.
00:47:08.000Therefore, let's just stabilize the ecosystem and, you know, that results in how many people dead.
00:47:13.000Then you have people who are like, okay, look, you know, we can be better stewards of this planet while recognizing that we are humans, we perceive things in a human way, and we want to protect human life and what brings us joy.
00:47:24.000In which case, yeah, just this utilitarian kill as many people as possible for the sake of reducing carbon doesn't work.
00:47:30.000Well, you know, I differ with many of those on the right on this topic.
00:47:34.000I do think that, obviously, our job as humans is to survive, right?
00:47:41.000Other than salvation, let's say, the essential task of the human being is to survive.
00:47:46.000But in the last 150-200 years, the absolute destruction on the environment that has been wrought primarily through technology can't be ignored.
00:47:55.000And while I think climate change is somewhat of a red herring, it's dubious as to whether or not the evidence backs up the theory, and ultimately it's a kind of slow-moving thing.
00:48:05.000What we do have in our faces right now, as you say, pollution, the dead zones, but really habitat loss, particularly like in the Amazon or in Africa, which is driven primarily by China at this point, but also the species loss.
00:48:17.000I mean, once they're gone, they're gone.
00:48:19.000And I think that the reason that radical environmentalists are so passionate about this, and I feel very much in the same way, is that we are at a critical point.
00:48:29.000Just because there's trees everywhere doesn't mean you have an old ecosystem, right?
00:48:34.000You look at the Appalachian mountain range, all of that's new growth.
00:48:45.000So what you have now, all over the earth, what is still green, is in the southern hemisphere.
00:48:51.000And that's being rapidly eroded, again, primarily by China.
00:48:55.000And I don't know what the way around it is, but I do think that the urgency, that's one reason I'm so frustrated by people like Greta Thunberg, right?
00:49:09.000But it completely covers up the real critical issue that we are still, to this day, as we have for two centuries, destroying the natural environment and it's never coming back.
00:49:20.000So we have to find some place in between.
00:49:23.000But you know, as it's been pointed out by many on the right in America, for instance, you know, many of those in the Sierra Club who founded the Sierra Club, you could say, at least by today's standards, are very right wing, especially on issues of immigration.
00:49:37.000But if you don't have a country, Right?
00:49:39.000If it's no longer your country and you don't have harmony, you don't have cohesion, you don't have any way of exerting your will anymore, well then you're not going to save the environment and you're not going to save yourself.
00:49:50.000So I do think that, again, starting local... I think the equation is actually fairly simple.
00:50:06.000Donald Trump gives us this roaring economy and growth that, you know, Obama said wasn't possible.
00:50:12.000Yeah, well, growth means more kids, more kids means exponential growth.
00:50:15.000So certainly the people who are like, climate change is destroying the planet, are not going to be happy that Donald Trump was doing that, right?
00:51:00.000Unfortunately, the opposite means that for you at home, your milk costs $10, your gas is going to cost $10, and you're going to own nothing, and you're going to have to live with it.
00:51:10.000You're not going to be happy, but that's what they want for you.
00:51:13.000Yeah, so you made a point earlier about how people, especially people in developing countries, are really going to suffer from this.
00:51:19.000And I remember when the lockdowns were first beginning, it was estimated, I believe by the IMF or the World Bank, that about 120 million people were going to be added to the category of being in extreme poverty as a result of COVID-19.
00:51:33.000Though, of course, what they're referring to specifically were the lockdowns.
00:51:36.000And we'll get into that euphemism in a moment.
00:51:39.000I've seen some sources that say after 2021 they updated that number to 100 million after they saw the effects it actually had.
00:51:47.000And it's really sad because that group of people has been totally forgotten.
00:51:52.000And they use this euphemism, as I mentioned, where they say, you know, 100 million people have been added or found themselves in extreme poverty because of COVID-19.
00:52:02.000Well no, it's because of the lockdowns and the breakdown of the supply chain.
00:52:05.000Just look at the states in America which locked up and which didn't lock up.
00:52:08.000We know you're going to have far more disastrous consequences for your economy if you do shut down over something like this.
00:52:13.000And so, the left for years was claiming if you cut even a penny of what we intend to allocate towards welfare spending, hundreds and hundreds of people are going to die.
00:52:24.000But then when it comes down to shutting down the global supply chain, Alright, let's go there.
00:52:29.000that every developed country in the world plays in the global supply chain, well that's a risk
00:52:34.000we're willing to take. And if it just saves one life, let's ignore the fact that many, many,
00:52:40.000many people will die. All right, let's go there. The Independent says,
00:52:45.000Donald Trump's civil war bombast is bad enough.
00:52:49.000Democrats shouldn't help make it worse.
00:52:52.000From Noah Berlatsky, mocking someone for not being as tough as their rhetoric is not helpful if you want a public discourse that doesn't reward aggression.
00:53:00.000So this is just one of the many articles that are saying Donald Trump's civil war bombast or Donald Trump calls for civil war, blah, blah, blah.
00:54:09.000We've never seen the media grasp at straws to make it seem as if he was saying something completely different than they could reasonably say based on his statement.
00:54:24.000I tend towards Majid Nawaz making a statement about World War III, that it would be a bunch of civil wars as well as a global war, a corporate war, neighbors on neighbors, information, all of it.
00:54:35.000Let me tell you why I think it's happening and it's inevitable.
00:54:40.000You need to understand what it means in the context of fourth and fifth generational warfare we often bring up.
00:54:45.000It may not get to the point where people are fighting in the streets.
00:54:48.000It may just be what we're experiencing.
00:54:50.000Information warfare, lawfare, media manipulation.
00:54:54.000In this modern era, do we need nuclear weapons when you have the power of propaganda?
00:54:58.000Well, when I say civil war, I mean violence.
00:55:17.000And, you know, I vacillate on this, right?
00:55:21.000Sometime when I grew up, it seemed pretty inevitable, right?
00:55:24.000In the 90s, it seemed pretty inevitable that the country was going to break apart.
00:55:28.000There was so much hatred in the air, so much violence.
00:55:30.000That was pretty much stamped out by the response to 9-11.
00:55:34.000And all of that sort of foment was pushed down by the fear of the, you know, NSA or DHS picking you off, and it just went cold.
00:55:44.000Now it's starting to get hot again, and I don't really see who would be the combatants in a clear way, right?
00:55:52.000You could say, oh, it's going to be conservatives and liberals.
00:55:54.000It's going to be the urban versus the rural.
00:55:56.000What would that Civil War map actually look like?
00:55:59.000I did get an insight on that, though, when I think it was NBC published a map of which states would pull back abortion rights and which ones wouldn't.
00:56:10.000And I'm not saying that's a clear map of what the battle lines would look like in the Civil War, but I think that's a pretty good indication because you've got a sacred value there and I think that's what's pretty much behind most of this conflict is sacred values.
00:56:25.000I think it's going to be fairly north and south.
00:56:27.000I mean, for the most part, we're seeing abortion laws, like, it's northern and western states that are pro-abortion to an extreme degree.
00:56:35.000Colorado, for instance, no restrictions.
00:56:37.000And it's many of the southern states that are trying to implement restrictions on it.
00:56:40.000So you may actually end up seeing this.
00:56:43.000I'll reference the meme where it says the United States of Canada and what was it?
00:57:23.000You will see more conservative states that don't want to align with Illinois, New York, and California, but be like, what choice do we have?
00:57:32.000North Dakota and South Dakota will probably be roped up, whether they want to or not.
00:57:36.000Their populations are so small, they may not have a choice.
00:57:47.000In fact, I'm not sure there have been other civil wars exactly like it, where multiple jurisdictions split, you know, between North and South.
00:57:54.000The Spanish Civil War, for instance, was pockets of urban and rural areas.
00:57:57.000So we may actually just see that, and you will see, I mean, New York's got a massive urban police force, tens of thousands of people.
00:58:06.000But I think what people, what you need to understand right now about what's going on is Geographic hyperpolarization is happening and will be exacerbated by the Supreme Court's ruling on Roe v. Wade and Casey.
00:58:18.000You're going to get, as you already are, conservatives in liberal areas fleeing, red states becoming redder, blue states becoming bluer, and then eventually, we just completely disagree on everything, refuse to cooperate, and then what happens when Nevada puts up a border between California or something, because they're like, you allow illegal immigrants, we don't, so we're building a border between states.
00:58:39.000These are the kind of things that precipitate major conflict.
00:58:44.000It spreads, and then all of a sudden one state says, we're enacting border checkpoints between states so we can keep out certain illnesses, like we saw with COVID, actually, with Connecticut and New York.
00:58:53.000You guys are big on Jonathan Haidt's Moral Foundations.
00:58:59.000Let's just take his theory for granted, right?
00:59:02.000That human societies evolved so that they diversify naturally towards a conservative leaning and a liberal leaning.
00:59:10.000The conservatives obviously are holding down the traditions, liberals are pushing society forward, and it's through that symbiosis that society goes forward, right?
00:59:19.000When I say forward, I mean in a more adaptive direction, right?
00:59:23.000So according to Height's theory, what you're talking about is humanity essentially as certain pockets of superorganisms in which having that variety, having the variety of foundations to draw from in any given problem, to face any given dilemma, you have a much greater chance of solving it because of this diversity of perspective, right?
00:59:46.000If we take that for granted, what's happening now with this big sort in the U.S., and what's been happening really for decades, but in the last 10 years it's been extreme.
00:59:58.000In his theory, you're basically peeling the human organism apart.
01:00:06.000We're in completely uncharted territory, if that's the case.
01:00:08.000Now, most of my conservative friends listen to that and it's like, oh, well, that's just a way to legitimize liberal points of view and push them on to me.
01:00:15.000Liberals love it because it's all airy-fairy and we can all be together.
01:00:19.000But I honestly, I think that the COVID pandemic showed a real flaw in his theory.
01:00:25.000Because him and Jesse Graham, by the way, Jesse Graham deserves a huge amount of credit, but the idea that liberals skew primarily towards care and fairness and conservatives towards authority, in-group preference, and purity and sanctity.
01:00:42.000I think on the surface that makes sense.
01:00:44.000But when you look at what happened during COVID, you get a really good example of how flawed that is because liberals really did circle the wagons.
01:00:52.000And their sense of what is pure and what is tainted or what is polluting really kicked on.
01:01:00.000So whatever real distinctions there are to be made there long term, I think that did show a real flaw.
01:01:09.000So, what I see happening is you have this left wing and right wing, and as you mentioned, you know, the right, the conservatives are holding back the left from going too crazy, but the left does bring about some changes.
01:01:20.000What happened is there was a weird budding phenomenon where the left started to have a growth of some sort that was ignored, and then eventually the growth just got big and flopped off and now is completely separate from the U.S.
01:01:33.000So, you know, in this room we've had actual liberals And conservatives talk and disagree on a bunch of core issues, as you describe it.
01:01:42.000But the modern left in this country is separate.
01:01:44.000The traditional left, as you describe it, as pulling us forward, is considered right-wing now, because that weird budding phenomenon is slopped off and now is no longer connected to the existing infrastructure.
01:01:56.000That is the rise of the multicultural democracy within the United States versus the constitutional republic.
01:02:01.000It's being fed, it's being given sugar, and it's growing, and eventually it will either burst and break, Or it will consume the, you know, Constitutional Republic side of things.
01:02:12.000I think it'll probably burst because these people have no logic behind what they do.
01:02:17.000It's wild tribal nonsense and they won't be able to adapt properly.
01:02:22.000They're not going to be able to survive.
01:03:01.000That's never gonna function as a system of governance.
01:03:03.000Those people will not be able to grow food for themselves.
01:03:06.000Don't you think they're puppets, though?
01:03:08.000I mean, do you really think that the people... That's not relevant.
01:03:11.000I mean, if you have 8 million people in this country who believe that, they're not going to survive a long fall.
01:03:19.000Sure, no, but I mean, they're being held up.
01:03:21.000Clearly, to me, I think they're just weaponized malcontents, right?
01:03:27.000They're not the entire, especially with the trans movement.
01:03:30.000I mean, this is not something that was, you know, grassroots from them.
01:03:35.000You know, they pushed their way into the public square.
01:03:39.000The left used them as a weapon against the right.
01:03:42.000And it shows, I think, in many ways how devolved we are as a culture that they got as much traction as they did.
01:03:48.000Something as ridiculous as pronouns and whether or not one is being misgendered As being some kind of key issue for the nation, I think that they're using these people to hammer on us.
01:04:07.000Definitely, if it collapses, every transgender person on earth will immediately start to detransition and things will get real ugly for them.
01:05:00.000If that's going to be the prominence of thought, they're not going to actually solve the problem of baby formula.
01:05:07.000So, if everything did go belly up into Civil War or whatever, most farmers, probably conservative, I could be wrong about that, but... No, absolutely.
01:05:17.000Most conservatives live in rural areas, meaning they likely have, on a scale of 1 to 100, the 100 being you are a prepper outdoorsman who can build a hut from trees in a day, and 1 being you are absolute city folk.
01:05:34.000If you're a conservative, you're leaning towards outdoorsmanship.
01:05:38.000So just living out here in West Virginia, I know what I can eat outside.
01:06:03.000Even if you leave the city, you're gonna be like, now I'm in a random rural place, what do I do?
01:06:08.000Well, unfortunately for you, you're gonna have to go out probably a hundred miles before you get to... Even if you go a hundred miles, you're in owned territory.
01:06:16.000So if you live in the middle of nowhere, if you live outside of the suburbs, you're more likely to be conservative.
01:06:21.000You're more likely to know what to eat, where to eat, where to get water.
01:06:24.000You live in a city, you got none of that.
01:06:26.000Yeah, you know, having lived in Boston, Portland, and, you know, reared in Tennessee and now living in Montana, I can tell you right now who's going to win that conflict.
01:07:14.000You know, I think Montana, especially, being out there around all these survivalist types, such solid people.
01:07:20.000You know, I mean, I don't want to name names, but there are a number of liberty coalitions that give me real hope for the country out there.
01:07:28.000Because you have people that are salt of the earth, and they're also just completely independent of the system, should it come to that.
01:07:37.000You know, you mentioned farmers, though.
01:07:39.000We're down to, I think, maybe two or three percent of the U.S.
01:07:43.000population is engaged in farming, at least on a professional level.
01:07:47.000So, you're talking about a new elite, should things go belly up.
01:07:51.000In the land with no food, the farmers are king.
01:07:54.000I just drove through middle America on my way back here, and man, the farms are huge.
01:07:59.000And I imagine they're owned by one guy, or whoever, a company, a small company.
01:08:05.000You mentioned that, you know, in an economic collapse or a land with no food, the farmers are king.
01:08:12.000It's insane to me that we don't give those people more respect already.
01:08:16.000I mean, they're already making all of our food.
01:08:18.000It's not like that's only going to be the case once it collapses.
01:08:21.000I thought it was a tragedy how Monsanto screwed those guys over with their glyphosate.
01:08:24.000They give them these chemicals to put on their crops, and then they need to get their specific tailored herbicide that won't affect it, and then the next season they have to use it again because they can't get out of it.
01:08:55.000Because this is like, when I think about Civil War and we talk about borders, I'm like, rivers, mountains, but then I just think about bombers and stealth bombers.
01:10:54.000Donald Trump would then say, the first thing I'm going to do is I'm going to sign the Save the Children Act or whatever they call it, because they're going to give it some name like that.
01:11:02.000And the left is going to scream and be like, no.
01:11:56.000But I think that it's just one among many factors.
01:12:00.000And I do, obviously, I mean, you see from the perspective of the War Room, you see these people.
01:12:04.000These are people, again, most of the people that are War Room viewers are right-wing, salt-of-the-earth people, very, very passionate.
01:12:14.000And I think that they see the battle lines drawn.
01:12:17.000I think Steve Bannon has identified those battle lines and is able to articulate them in superb fashion.
01:12:23.000To drive that forward, even with that though, you know, just seeing that passion firsthand.
01:12:28.000I don't want to die on this hill, but I just think abortion has, it's so normal already in the culture, like the revolutionary spirit from the 60s and 70s has long since died away.
01:12:40.000If it comes to something so extreme as a federal ban on abortion, yeah, that's going to spark things off.
01:12:45.000But, you know, more than race issues, more than economic disparity, you know, more than the obvious corruption at the center of the system.
01:12:52.000It's not about more, it's about needing a tribal issue to incite one tribe, one faction.
01:12:58.000You know, going back to that map, I mean, clearly that map had an impact on me for a reason.
01:13:03.000You do see Pretty, in stark terms, these zones of certain moral leanings.
01:13:11.000Like I said, I don't want to die on that hill, but I do think that it will be a confluence of factors.
01:13:19.000Just to make one more point about this.
01:13:22.000I think that you're right that it has been law for a very long time, but one interesting component of this issue is when you look at You know, gay marriage, for example, and I put marriage in air quotes there.
01:13:33.000The Supreme Court decided upon that about 10 years ago, and now the culture is almost completely in lockstep with that entire agenda, whereas Roe v. Wade was decided roughly 50 years ago now, and they absolutely have not won the culture over, and in fact, it's gone in the opposite direction.
01:13:46.000And having been to the March for Life and various pro-life events, I would just totally disagree that there is more passion behind this.
01:13:50.000How many people were at the March for Life?
01:14:33.000I calculated the populations of every state and every region, broke down the percentages to get the actual number, and then correlate them to each other and found 37.2% of the United States was in favor of their specific region breaking off from the United States to form their own country.
01:14:51.000So when you look at this from the Guttmacher Institute, You can see, if we do have a new civil war, it's not going to be North versus South.
01:14:59.000It is going to be multi-factional, multi-regional.
01:15:36.000It is kind of funny that the South is the side of trying to grant personhood, and the various Northern states, like New England, are the... deny personhood.
01:15:46.000By the way, it's hard to find estimates on this.
01:15:47.000I see one estimate saying roughly $150,000 worth of March for Life in D.C.
01:15:51.000When I'm thinking about this abortion topic, it strikes me as like, I said LARPing earlier, because if it was real chaos and you were hungry and starving and the guy who was giving you food was aborting babies, no one's going to try and stop the guy because he's creating stability for you and your family.
01:16:07.000It's only when you have enough money to start thinking about things and what that guy over there 100 miles away is doing that we start to Interfere with each other's rights.
01:16:28.000Because if the guy, if there's a warlord in charge of your locale that is vicious, but he's making sure that you're going to stay alive, I've never had to face starvation.
01:16:37.000I've heard it's, you know, life-altering, completely changes the way you look at reality.
01:16:41.000Perhaps in the micro, but that civilization would cease to exist.
01:16:46.000I mean, just think about it logically.
01:16:48.000If there was a tribe of humans at any point that said, we are small and starving, but the guy who runs us wants women who are pregnant to not have kids, how long can they last?
01:16:58.000Versus any other population that says, have more kids.
01:17:23.000You're adding things to it that are irrelevant to the point I'm making.
01:17:25.000If you have two societies negating all external factors, and one says we're not having kids, or we're going to even take a slight 1%, 2%, 10%, 20%, we're going to reduce our population.
01:17:37.000In 20 years, you know, group A that has five couples, each having two kids, has a new adult population, and group B that doesn't, doesn't have a new adult population.
01:17:46.000They've aged, and now they're weak, and they're the ones who become the slaves.
01:17:49.000It's a math problem, what you're doing.
01:17:51.000But you're creating a situation that has no externality.
01:17:54.000And in reality, people will fly in with B-52s from across the world and try and alter your equation.
01:18:01.000I'm sure there's a million and one variables, but the point is, this is a factor.
01:18:05.000If you don't have kids within 20 years, you have no fighting-age males.
01:18:43.000If you want to get specific, we can talk about who has the better weapons, but in the United States, conservatives tend to have the weapons and tend to have the kids, therefore the logic dictates conservatives.
01:18:50.000If you want to get specific, conservatives are likely going to be the ones to win.
01:18:53.000Yeah, I'm concerned about the militaries, not the civilians.
01:18:56.000I mean, you know, people have oftentimes said, well, most of the enlisted men in America are on the right, but the leadership seems to be signaling heavily to the left So people have oftentimes asked, who would fight for the
01:19:10.000And seemingly, it would be our own military, right?
01:19:14.000But that would only be if the enlisted men followed orders, which I think is pretty unlikely
01:19:18.000en masse. I think they would be crushed if they had tried, you know, say, post-insurrection
01:19:25.000to actually deploy the military in a meaningful way against the U.S.
01:19:28.000population, there would be a mass defection.
01:19:30.000And I think that that same trend would hold forth.
01:19:33.000I really do think that it's just a matter of, you've just got this ugly, corrupt growth.
01:19:38.000I like your description of that, this growth that's kind of fallen off, but you do have this sort of cancer in the society that I don't think it's a matter of waiting it out.
01:19:46.000But I do think that the base that is in opposition, we are far greater in numbers and In children, and in weapons.
01:19:54.000It's just simply a matter of political will not to take them out, but to topple them and move forward.
01:21:06.000Matt Taibbi wrote an interesting article where he said, eventually you get to the point where two different law enforcement vehicles are rushing and they pull up to the police station and they both jump out and they yell to the police chief, arrest that man, at each other.
01:21:22.000There was, uh, I think it was in Turkey.
01:21:24.000A bunch of soldiers went on the bridge, the Bosphorus, and shut it down.
01:21:27.000It was then reported that they were staging a coup!
01:21:30.000They were then beaten, flogged, and dragged to the streets.
01:21:32.000My understanding is that these guys had no idea what was going on and were just told to do it, and because they just blindly follow orders, they would.
01:21:40.000If you're in the National Guard, or you know someone who is, think about how simple it is for your commanding officer to say, hey guys, we're gonna take these trucks, we're gonna be dropping off supplies, and then you get to a bridge and they're like, hey wait here one minute.
01:21:52.000Nothing seems out of the ordinary when all of a sudden, you hear in the news, you were part of a coup and you had no idea.
01:22:37.000So in your experience, you've been studying the technocracy and these people that are moving.
01:22:42.000Like, do you feel that they are pressuring us into some sort of conflict?
01:22:47.000Look, there are many ways to imagine what your opponents are thinking or what their intentions are.
01:22:52.000I try to avoid it as much as possible, but one thing is for certain is that they are sowing chaos within our population, and I think that the reasoning is pretty clear.
01:23:02.000A chaotic population is much easier to control, and it does have the sense of being occupied by a foreign government, but it's a Sort of foreignness within our own system, right?
01:23:14.000It's some alien mindset that has been birthed out of the West that is now occupying governments across the West.
01:23:25.000I think it's some combination of, you know, corporatism and technocracy that uses leftist talking points in order to push their agenda right now.
01:23:36.000But it's the same types and oftentimes the same people who manipulated the right into invading the Middle East on the basis of very flimsy evidence that there was any kind of threat from either Muslim terrorists or from Iraq directly, right?
01:23:52.000So I think that it At the core, and maybe I'm a carpenter hitting everything with my hammer, but I think at the core what we see and what we've seen rise over the last century, century and a half, is technocracy.
01:24:32.000But while you're being sold these technologies as a means for you to control either your own life or the environment that you're in, I think that the Really, the overriding dynamic is that technology has allowed, on an unprecedented scale, elites to manipulate and control the population below them.
01:24:51.000So you talk about Comcast and BlackRock and all these different multinational corporations.
01:24:58.000I think that at the core, the sway that they have right now, aside from their influence over or direct control over any kind of military or governmental body, is just simply the technology itself is able to cultivate a public mindset.
01:25:13.000And that, again, it feels like an alien force coming in, but it's coming from within.
01:25:22.000Like help you discern what's real and what's not?
01:25:26.000You know, I oftentimes question if I'm ever able to discern directly what's real and what's not, but I think what meditation does is it allows you to step back from what you perceive and what you think you know, and see it from a distance, and then come back and be able to act effectively.
01:25:41.000I don't know whether or not anything I know is real, but I'm pretty sure.
01:25:46.000But meditation, of course, is a wonderful way to calm the mind prayer.
01:26:20.000Well, I think if you're going to try and say that regular people should be meditating to help calm down, you've got a cultural problem and you need to teach people at a young age.
01:26:28.000And then we just come back to the same answer.
01:27:05.000So that's why I say, if all these conservatives go out and have seven kids, in 20 years, for every two conservatives, you get seven votes, liberals are having no kids, and they're sterilizing their kids?
01:27:15.000Wait till they get those artificial wombs, though.
01:27:23.000One of the reasons that there is this kind of paranoia about population extermination, not just reduction, is that knowledge that, you know, the numbers are on the side, is on the side of the traditionalists, right?
01:27:35.000Traditionalists across the world are continuing to have children, while liberals are living this very bizarre, and again, kind of alien lifestyle, this alien to the planet, It's completely new, completely novel, and completely unsustainable.
01:27:48.000You know, for people that are obsessed with sustainability, the lifestyle that they've eked out for themselves won't last for long unless they can maybe perfect fusion and births out of artificial wombs.
01:27:59.000Because you're absolutely right, they'll be swamped by the traditionalists.
01:28:55.000And they've got, you know, there's always an article coming out One of the latest is an AI powered incubator that they haven't used it on human cells, but that's the intention on human fetuses.
01:29:07.000And basically it's, you know, and it's one of many gadgets such as this, but it would allow without direct human intervention, this device to modulate the temperature, modulate the nutrients in order to grow human fetuses first in smaller vats than in bigger vats.
01:29:24.000You know, as much as I focus on technology and transhumanism, I think that you really have to distinguish between the intention and the actuality of any of these different paradigms or devices.
01:29:35.000So, like, artificial wombs may or may not be a thing in 50 years, but I think that it really does cut to the heart of a sort of mentality What kind of person would dream up a world in which a seemingly normal family grew their baby in a vat and then raised it with chips in their heads and used artificial intelligence to surveil that child in order to find the perfect neurological base, right?
01:29:59.000That mentality is, I think, really a spiritual orientation towards technology and against the human, ultimately.
01:30:12.000And I think that knowing that so many of these people have this anti-human sentiment deep in their hearts, it gives you a really deep sense of the spiritual corruption that we see in the country and really in the developed world as a whole.
01:30:25.000In 30 years, Republicans will be transgender communists who are arguing for having artificial womb babies, and the left will be metaverse childless genetic clones or something.
01:30:39.000And the conservatives are going to be like, can you believe how far left they've gone?
01:30:43.000See, if we continue on that trajectory, though, I don't know if we make it another 30 years.
01:30:47.000Unless we just roboticize ourselves and the machine just keeps cloning more, you know, metaverse people.
01:30:53.000This is something that I really wrestle with a lot.
01:30:58.000What are the possibilities of any of these really drastic, extreme ideas on human enhancement or, you know, having Universal smart cities, you know, having human beings with chips in their heads that are able to commune with artificial intelligence.
01:31:14.000And, you know, ultimately I come back to always, it really doesn't matter if everyone is addicted to a smartphone and you have sufficient surveillance so that, you know, kind of anarcho- an anarcho- tyranny situation where a certain subset of people are Surveilled to the point you can control their behavior and everything else that slips through the cracks.
01:31:34.000Well, you have enough control over the centers of power They can go so I you know The idea of this bizarre science fiction universe where artificial wombs and the metaverse has completely taken over people's minds and all of that, I think it's really important to get an idea of what the point of reference of the society is, or at least that subset of the society.
01:32:19.000Well, right now there's a question about, you know, viability and terminating the life of a baby if it could survive on its own.
01:32:27.000If the artificial womb exists, there's no argument for terminating the life of the fetus at any point.
01:32:32.000Well, but you're talking about in extreme circumstances.
01:32:34.000I think conservatives, by and large, oddly enough, have a very kind of Darwinian advantage in all of this, because conservatives really do value that man-to-woman relationship, long-term relationships, marriage, and having children in a natural way.
01:32:49.000But they're trying really hard to stop the left from killing their babies.
01:33:01.000I need to give it some thought, but basically, artificial womb technology could be good if there were drastic cases where the child could not develop inside of the mother's womb.
01:33:10.000I don't think it should be something that replaces normal gestation.
01:33:17.000But if it's an argument of like, I'm just gonna remove this child because I'd rather they develop artificially, I imagine these artificial wombs would pose risks to the child that wouldn't be present.
01:33:27.000What if right now... And they do, actually.
01:33:28.000The ethics around artificial wombs... Hold on, I'm trying to ask a specific question.
01:33:33.000If right now they said you cannot terminate the life of the baby because artificial wombs exist, you'd effectively end abortion?
01:33:41.000It's not a question of whether someone wants to choose to put in a womb.
01:33:45.000It's the idea that if right now abortion is legal in the first few weeks, depending on which state you're in, and then all of a sudden these states say, OK, well, you can end the pregnancy, but the baby can't be killed.
01:33:56.000That's what an artificial womb would do.
01:33:58.000I think you'd have the left being absolutely outraged because they're like, well, what if I can't afford to have a baby?
01:34:02.000It's like, well, We'll grow it in our vat.
01:34:09.000I do think it is probably one of the funniest things I've heard in a while, the conservative case for artificial wombs.
01:34:14.000It wouldn't surprise me if you saw that in the National Review or something like that, Fox News.
01:34:19.000But there are real ethical questions around all of these transhumanist technologies, but artificial wombs in particular, and it's mostly women making this argument, that relationship between a woman and the fetus in her womb isn't just an emotional relationship that the woman herself feels.
01:34:36.000All of her chemicals, all of her hormones, All of her bio rhythms and, you know, on this more kind of spiritual plane perhaps, a direct kind of spiritual connection to this child dictates the type of baby that's going to be born.
01:34:53.000So you, the idea that you're going to be able to recreate that in some sort of artificial womb is, I think, pretty absurd.
01:35:00.000And also needless because you think about all of the innovation and energy and investment that takes when you have, you know, women and men.
01:35:07.000And penises and vaginas and wounds and, you know, all the things that nature has already provided.
01:35:13.000So, yeah, but but that being said, when the National Review does publish that article, the conservative case for artificial wounds, I'm going to be like, well, they already exist.
01:35:23.000They've already grown some animals in them.
01:35:25.000I think the only issue now for humans is ethics.
01:35:28.000So if they existed, what's the argument for terminating the life of a fetus if it can be saved?
01:35:34.000I'm also curious with the animals, uh, I'm curious with the animals, like what the effectiveness rate is, how dangerous it is to have them in an artificial womb as opposed to just normally developing.
01:36:27.000You know what's really interesting about that?
01:36:28.000I think that's probably a hooey statement, but maybe not.
01:36:32.000The fact that you had this convergent evolution of the pyramid system and of course the pharaonic system where you have this god-king at the top and then the warriors below and then the servants below that Well, the fact that that evolved independently in the New World with the Aztecs and the Mayans and the Incans is absolutely fascinating because one of two things either happened there.
01:36:55.000One, you had some guy who came from Egypt, perhaps on a boat or maybe traipsed all the way across the Bering Strait, and he had either the knowledge in his mind or some sacred tome on how to create a society.
01:37:06.000And he made his way all the way down into the equatorial region of the New World and then set about creating that New World.
01:37:14.000A more likely scenario, which is, I think, far more fascinating, is the idea that societies, human societies, tend towards certain structures.
01:37:23.000And it's almost like, you know, the eusocial ant colony, where you have that natural hierarchy form.
01:37:33.000And also you could say that it's optimizing human capital by having, you know, a God-King-like figure at the top with warriors and then the slave.
01:37:42.000But it is a fascinating phenomenon that basically, with a lot of particular differences, in essence, the new world recreated the old world independently out of thin air.
01:37:53.000All right, we got Philip Allen McCracken says, oh no, where'd Timothy's teal tea go?
01:41:08.000The current spread, and earmuffs for your kids, the current spread is widely believed to be among men who enjoy the presence of men.
01:41:17.000That's what they've been saying across the board.
01:41:19.000Yeah, there was that, what is it, Darklands, a kind of fetish club in Antwerp that they'd take, they'd, I think three cases they tied back to there.
01:41:56.000Where he's like, you know, can you explain, can you tell people why they should trust you when you're not here reporting on Davos, but you're here as an invited guest?
01:42:14.000Wrath of Paul says, Have you heard of the tabletop exercise from the nuclear threat initiative written in 2021 that deals with a hypothetical monkeypox outbreak on 5-15-22?
01:43:00.000We shut out any sort of misinformation on the vaccine, so on and so forth.
01:43:04.000You watch it, it gives you this really weird sort of deja vu, right?
01:43:07.000Because you've already experienced all of it, but they were talking about it back then.
01:43:10.000Well, a lot of people say this obvious, right?
01:43:13.000They created it, blah blah blah, you know, this whole thing was just them, I guess, doing a public training on what they were going to unleash.
01:43:20.000But I think that, I don't know about the monkeypox case, I've seen it, I haven't really looked into it all that much, but I think in all of these sorts of things, they are running simulations constantly.
01:43:29.000And, you know, you've got, especially in the case of Event 201, you've got these guys basically creating all of these hammers, these carpenters creating hammers, and as soon as they had an opportunity, they started smashing everything around them.
01:43:40.000Probably the same thing with the monkeypox, or, Or they wanted to, it could be a right-wing conspiracy to take out gay men.
01:43:48.000I think, I think what happens is like in Nostradamus, you know, he makes a bunch of predictions.
01:43:53.000Then when one happens, they're like, look, he predicted it.
01:43:55.000And it's like, there was a guy who tweeted something like he, what did he say?
01:44:00.000He said, you know, on this date at this time, this team will win the world series with this many points.
01:44:06.000And then everyone went, whoa, how did he predict it?
01:44:08.000And what he did was he tweeted like 3,000 times all these different scenarios.
01:44:14.000Then when the one happened, he deleted all of them. So it looked like he had the one tweet
01:44:18.000accurately predicting it. He didn't. Medical tyranny freaks me out.
01:44:23.000Like, I look at North Korea and he's basically leading by starving his population, which is kind of a form of medicine.
01:45:09.000I at least saw one video of that, and then I saw another video of a group protecting their church, and they were labeled white nationalists.
01:45:15.000When I saw the left vandalize statues of Mary and Jesus all over the place, and Christians did nothing, Yeah, it's insane.
01:45:23.000I was like, oh wow, I guess they don't care that much.
01:45:24.000You really have to wonder how long it'll be before they... Excuse me.
01:45:27.000Well, you have to wonder how long it'll be before they do snap.
01:45:30.000Well, Tim was saying that that would be the final straw and that would be able to push people over the edge.
01:45:33.000And I was like, you don't realize, I don't think how weak the American church is.
01:46:23.000They own a lot of land, the Trinity Church.
01:46:25.000And it is crazy, when I was just in New York, some of the biggest buildings in the city, obviously not the skyscrapers, but massive churches all over the place.
01:46:34.000Organized religion could become very dangerous.
01:46:38.000You know, true, but is it not also the foundation of basically everything that we stand on now?
01:46:45.000Yeah, the Judeo-Christian morals are the organization of the church, maybe, but they fled that.
01:46:52.000That's why they came here, was to get away from that.
01:46:55.000Yes, you know, people talk about organized religion.
01:46:57.000And I agree on a personal level, but it's impossible to deny that across the planet, organized religion has been the organizing principle for human civilizations, arguably as far back as prehistoric times, but certainly the civilizations we know of.
01:47:17.000I mean, that's arguably, I mean, I would argue it's better than Well, no, religion's a moral one, not that it's a structural one.
01:47:22.000Much of what we now have as a Christian civilization comes out of Greek philosophy, which of course was mathematical philosophy.
01:47:29.000I just said this, I think it's important to remember that the pilgrims fled, I think it was a persecution of the Catholic Church at the time.
01:47:36.000No, the Pilgrims, they fled from England.
01:47:39.000And they were getting... Because, from Anglicanism.
01:47:42.000But I believe, well they, if I'm not, if I'm correct about this, they believed that it was too similar to the Catholic Church, but it was, it was, they left England, which was Anglican.
01:47:52.000Like, I love the idea of Christian, like the Christ, Jesus Christ, dude, that guy.
01:47:57.000One of the most amazing humans ever to have existed on Earth, according to what we can tell about the guy.
01:48:02.000But when the church starts to tell people what they have to do, man, that's so empathetical to Jesus.
01:48:08.000He didn't... He said, if you love me, keep my commandments, so he did.
01:48:11.000Well, that's all out of... It's what the church told you he said.
01:48:13.000Well, then how do you know anything that he said?
01:49:01.000But like the ancient pharaohs of Egypt, that was a religion, and they believed that guy was... Absolutely, but you know, after that period you have this axial turn, right?
01:49:09.000And the period say between 800 BC, 200 BC, people date it differently, but you had this axial turn against that archaic God-King state.
01:49:19.000And all of the major world religions are in some sense axial religions, meaning that that connection between the mundane order and divinity was broken and divinity began to be conceptualized as something over and above the mundane order.
01:49:35.000And Jesus is not in that time frame, but he's certainly emblematic of that.
01:49:39.000So you'd have like the Buddha, the various rishis and seers in India and yogins, the Taoist, Confucius, the Greek philosophers, Plato, Aristotle, on and on and on.
01:49:51.000All of these came about at the same time.
01:49:53.000It's very, very interesting, but you have this axial turn against that.
01:49:56.000So, yes, obviously Egypt was the carrier of civilization up until a point, but after this axial turn, You have completely different forms of religion, which then separate the mundane from the spiritual, and also, I would argue, have a much gentler approach.
01:50:13.000So the sorts of things that I think probably don't want to project onto you, but rub you wrong about religion in the organized sense, its violence, its control, held within that is this gentle figure of Jesus.
01:50:27.000We got Straight Shooter says, An opportunity for Timcast is to be a co-sponsor of Women's X Games, adding a cash bonus to the prize money at award.
01:50:50.000We want to inspire parents and their kids to get involved and have their kids embrace hobbies and physical activity and stuff.
01:50:55.000Just good positive things for the community and the neighborhoods.
01:50:58.000And of course, we're going to have a females division for females.
01:51:04.000Then we are going to, uh, you know, I almost think it's kind of stupid to retreat from the women thing.
01:51:09.000They, uh, if the left wants to claim women means gendered term, it's like, okay, dude, we didn't make women's volleyball or women's basketball or women's skateboarding because sometimes people wear dresses.
01:51:20.000We did it because biological females tend not to qualify in all gendered events.
01:51:27.000So major league sports are available for all genders.
01:51:30.000It's just women don't ever make the cut.
01:51:33.000Women have tried to get in the NFL to be kickers and they just don't make the cut.
01:51:37.000Some women have gotten close and then it's like been really bad and there was a college team that got obliterated and they're like the first team with a female kicker and then all the guys were like really depressed and sad at like they were sacrificed to wokeness to make this claim or whatever.
01:51:50.000So yeah, we'll do a women's event for women and it's going to be for biological women.
01:51:56.000You know, back in the old days on the playground, you had to be afraid of the tomboy and you were never afraid of the sissy.
01:52:01.000And I guess that's really been flipped on its head.
01:52:04.000Now the sissy is quite the threat to women and the tomboy, well, let's hope that she can get by.
01:52:09.000All right, let's see what we got here.
01:52:17.000Justin Chavez says, hypothetically, if companies stop being woke and actually adhere to the Constitution, how would that affect alt-tech platforms such as Gab, Truth, etc.?
01:53:15.000People are relying on the constitutional definition of free speech for being able to type things on a social network, but that doesn't give the creator of the network the free speech to shut anyone out they want.
01:54:15.000They argued that it had become so filthy that it needed to be cleaned.
01:54:18.000And then they brought in the sanitation crews to come and clean it.
01:54:20.000The first time the state government proposed wiping out Occupy, people showed up all at 2am and everyone cleaned everything spotless and said, Aha!
01:54:29.000So their effort to purge it didn't work because they had a First Amendment right to occupy a private space.
01:54:34.000Interestingly, the Chase Manhattan Plaza, which is one block, I believe, to the east, Shut down entirely because they knew the precedent in this country is privately owned spaces must adhere to free speech rules, First Amendment rights, if they're open to the public.
01:54:50.000So the Chase Plaza just put up barriers and said, Nope, we're not open to the public anymore.
01:56:34.000A portable fridge and solar generator and panel cost around $1,200 and will keep insulin below 70 degrees and infinitely long as the sun burns bright.
01:57:43.000You know, it's probably one of the funnier ironies in the media.
01:57:48.000All the different WAPO headlines with democracy dies in darkness and almost invariably the headline is in some way anti-democratic.
01:57:57.000Alright, Jersey B Luciano says Pilot Flying J CEO testified they are 20% of US diesel consumption and are being forced to cut their diesel orders.
01:58:06.000Also connected is Union Pacific and Warren Buffett purchase of BNSF.
01:58:11.000It strikes me like people need to start creating their own diesel, their own biofuel.
01:58:15.000But then the government's going to be like, no, it's not official.
01:58:18.000You can't collect rainwater in a bucket, because we said so from Washington, D.C.
01:59:14.000This general might just be massive for the Republicans.
01:59:18.000And then the same sentiment around the Democrats' failures these past several years, the gas prices.
01:59:23.000I mean, it almost might be better if the Republicans barely win.
01:59:26.000So then in 2024, they can win everything, you know, take the Senate, take the executive branch, take the House.
01:59:33.000Clef the Misfit says, if Dems somehow win 2024, the Civil War factions will be the federal government versus red state governors and volunteer militias who will be pushed to secession by the feds.
02:01:48.000And then I waited at the finish line for like a minute.
02:01:50.000And then I just like tapped the A and like hit the, and he's like, nah, that's funny.
02:01:54.000I think Mario Kart is the only excusable video game, and it is a virtue to be able to play it well.
02:02:01.000I think that being able to get together with your friends and play, you know, Mario Kart is maybe the highest expression of community there is.
02:02:09.000Other than that, technology is horrible and should be abolished if we can just keep Mario Kart.
02:02:50.000I could be wrong about this because it's been something like 20... 18 years since I actually played.
02:02:56.000But I'm pretty sure in Wario Stadium and N64, in order to beat the time trial, you have to jump the barrier.
02:03:02.000Like, it's actually considered part of the skill of getting a level.
02:03:05.000Yeah, because we were wondering how the Wario's Stadium Ghost was so fast, and we were like, you have to jump the barrier to get that, which cuts the level in half.
02:03:13.000But we got to the point where we were all doing it.
02:03:47.000It's definitely a theological interpretation.
02:03:50.000But you know, you look at the tradition of Christian martyrdom.
02:03:53.000I'm not saying I personally don't get too hung up on Christianity because of that, because I'm certainly not willing to turn the other cheek, but the tradition of Christian martyrdom basically eschews self-defense in favor of a higher spiritual principle.
02:04:07.000Someone said that turning the other cheek... It may have been you, Seamus.
02:04:09.000I don't remember if we've talked about this.
02:04:11.000I thought that it was if someone hits you in the face, you offer them the other side of your face so that they can hit you again.
02:04:16.000But then someone was like, no, no, no.
02:04:17.000It's because in Roman culture, they wipe their butt with their left hand.
02:04:20.000So if they smacked you with their right, you turn so you make them touch you with their dirty hand, which was like an insult to a Roman.
02:04:29.000I'm not sure if that's the case, but yeah, yes, I've definitely heard that.
02:04:33.000You're saying you're insulting them by making them touch your face with their poop hands?
02:04:38.000It would be something like they would second guess whether they should do it because it's like, all right, I don't know if I want to go that far.
02:04:43.000That's how this was explained to me, but I'm not entirely sure.
02:04:59.000I will say that the passage, too, if you look at it in the context, you know, he says, you've heard it says, you've heard it said, do not commit murder.
02:05:07.000But I say unto you, if a man strikes you on one cheek, offer him also the other.
02:05:11.000I think in the context, it's clear it's about gentleness in the face of earthly violence.
02:05:16.000I mean, the entire story of the crucifixion is about a sort of physical passivity in the face of physical violence.
02:05:24.000But obviously, the I think we should modernize it.
02:05:38.000No, I think actually you want to avoid all fights.
02:05:40.000Yeah, you want any fight you can avoid a fight You've won that being said my friends fight to smash that like button, right?
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