On this week's show, we discuss Joe Biden's latest anti-Trump rant, Elon Musk's response to a call for a boycott of his company, and why the left thinks Joe Biden is the most extreme politician in American history.
00:00:00.000Thanks to Joe Biden, Ultra MAGA is trending.
00:00:10.000Joe Biden recently said that MAGA is the most extreme political organization in American history.
00:00:17.000Subjectively false, because like, I don't know, the weather underground existed, but sure, whatever, the Trump supporters waving little American flags, that's what I'm worried about.
00:00:25.000I'm sure the left will come out and be like, but the insurrection!
00:00:28.000Okay, dude, sure, whatever, I'm not, I'm not even bothering with that.
00:00:31.000No, Ultra MAGA, he calls it, the Ultra MAGA agenda.
00:00:34.000Well, Joe Biden, back in, I think it was 1982, you voted to not.
00:00:41.000I believe it was voting against Roe v. Wade.
00:00:43.000So I wonder what that means about you, because if anything's changed in this country, it's not really been the right, except the right's actually moved leftward.
00:00:50.000Conservatives are now like, okay with gay marriage to a certain degree, whereas they weren't 14 years ago.
00:02:05.000I'm the Senior Tech Correspondent for Breitbart News.
00:02:10.000My job is to expose Silicon Valley and everything they're doing to manipulate your elections, take your speech away, and harvest your data.
00:05:33.000He is not able to articulate his thoughts.
00:05:35.000This MAGA crowd is really the most extreme political organization that's existed in American history.
00:05:40.000All right, I'd just like to make one point.
00:05:42.000Joe Biden, in response to news that the Supreme Court voted to overturn Roe v. Wade, said that That MAGA is the most extreme political organization in American history.
00:05:54.000And it is based upon overturning Roe v. Wade.
00:06:42.000You know, you look at like trade and things like that.
00:06:44.000Those were issues where the Democrats were.
00:06:47.000But Joe Biden and the Democratic Party, we're talking about abortion till the moment of birth.
00:06:51.000We're talking about sex changes for kids.
00:06:53.000We're talking about censoring free speech.
00:06:55.000So I think when he says that Ultramaga, which is really cool, by the way, is the most dangerous political movement, I think the truth is that the Democrats are really threatening that.
00:07:05.000The reason Biden is able to get away with this and the reason why a substantial number of people in the country will believe him is because of the media.
00:07:14.000The media memory holes every single example of left-wing extremism and amplifies anything they can pin on Republicans.
00:07:24.000So we'll always remember the trespassers at the Capitol.
00:07:29.000But we won't remember the people who bombed the Capitol in the 1980s, the leftists linked to the weather on the ground, as you said, Tim.
00:07:38.000Actually, there might have been another different left-wing extremist group.
00:07:49.000They come out and they're like, but there's so many far-right extremists!
00:07:53.000And I'm like, there are many far-right extremists, sure, but do they have any institutional power?
00:07:57.000Are the people who stormed into the Capitol on January 6th working at CNN or the New York Times, are any of those people, are they being supported and defended by CNN and the New York Times?
00:08:07.000Oh, well, when Black Lives Matter and Antifa Mm-hmm.
00:08:10.000it across this country in 2020 causing billions of dollars in damage and I think it resulted
00:08:54.000Yeah, okay, I'm really worried about the podunk cop who drove a couple hundred miles and rioted.
00:08:58.000Arrest the guy, put him in jail, fine, I get it, but that is not an institution that is going to harm my life.
00:09:03.000And look at the difference here between the two parties, right?
00:09:06.000The Republicans do everything they can to disavow the insurrectionists, disavow the far-right, you know, the alt-right people.
00:09:12.000The Democrats create GoFundMes for bailout funds for the mostly peaceful protesters.
00:09:20.000I pulled up this, the bombing you were talking about in the Capitol, 1980s, a far-left group called M19 bombed the Senate.
00:09:27.000It was women, I think it was a group of women, but it was like a male, it wasn't all women, it was like, looks like four women and two guys, they call it like a Yeah, I don't think I've ever heard of M19 until tonight, so thanks for bringing that up.
00:09:38.000Yeah, I think a lot of people haven't heard about it because whoever controls the history books, whoever controls the news, doesn't want us remembering it.
00:09:47.000You know, we have an alternative news media now, which is great.
00:09:49.000We probably need alternative history as well.
00:09:51.000Yeah, they're a communist organization.
00:09:53.000Well, and has everybody forgotten about Assata Shakur and her shootout on the Jersey Turnpike?
00:10:08.000From 1982 to 1985, M-19's CEO committed a series of bombings, including bombings of the National War College, the Washington Navy Yard, Computing Center, the Israeli Aircraft Industries, New York City's South African Consulate, Wow.
00:10:22.000The Washington Navy Yard Officers Club?
00:10:59.000But do you guys remember the Family Research Council shooting?
00:11:02.000That happened like six years ago, seven years ago.
00:11:04.000No one talks about this, but they were targeted for being an anti-gay hate group.
00:11:08.000And someone went in there with Chick-fil-A sandwiches, was planning to put Chick-fil-A sandwiches on the dead corpses of all the people that worked there.
00:11:28.000It was a phrase that Donald Trump used.
00:11:30.000You could say that people are rallying around and attempting to create some sort of organized movement based on Donald Trump, like a campaign.
00:11:37.000But MAGA is just a statement that means Make America Great Again.
00:11:40.000So I don't understand why he's trying to create a political movement out of that statement.
00:14:14.00018-year-olds who don't know about the weather underground, who don't know about M19CO, who don't know about these bombings, who don't even know about Joe Biden.
00:14:23.000Because we've had these leftists on the show and they're like, I don't know anything about Biden or his administration or what he did with Obama.
00:14:27.000And I'm like, well, he blipped kids, but they don't know that.
00:14:57.000We had a boomer on the show recently, we talked to her, and she didn't know anything about what was going on with our generation's politics.
00:15:02.000When the boomers age out, retiring, exiting politics, and or passing on, that tether is gone, and you're going to have millennials who are very much at odds in the culture.
00:15:13.000I mean, look at where we are compared to where the young Turks are, but it's all screaming at each other.
00:15:18.000But we do have young people, and there are some older people involved, don't get me wrong, boomers are involved, but they're overtly fighting in the streets.
00:15:25.000What happens when Gen Z and Gen Alpha are raised In a world dominated by millennial worldview, which is hyper-polarized, what happens when the next generation comes in, raised by millennials, millennials are going to have kids, Gen Z is going to have kids, and their kids are going to be raised in those ideologies, completely bifurcated politics in this country, that's when chaos happens.
00:15:47.000The one thing that I think is missing from all of the discussions about escalation of violence and hyper-polarization in this country is how demographics shape what's going to happen in this country.
00:15:58.000If in the 2000s, conservatives were having more kids than liberals, then by 2020, you would have a generation that was slightly more conservative.
00:16:12.000So as long as they're in schools indoctrinating, now you've got millennial conservatives and, you know, zennial, I guess, necessarily Gen X, because they're a little older.
00:16:21.000But people in their 40s and down to millennial are fighting in these schools and complaining about it.
00:16:25.000You do have some boomers involved, some older generation stuff.
00:16:28.000They're fighting about the indoctrination.
00:16:30.000The indoctrination is likely going to stop because of the culture wars, or at least I believe it will.
00:16:38.000The one thing that may happen is if they can't indoctrinate conservative kids, then leftism just fizzles out because these people, I mean, let's be real.
00:16:47.000If they get pregnant, they abort their babies.
00:16:49.000And they are actually moving towards sterilizing, or at least permanently damaging the reproductive organs of their children.
00:16:56.000Mathematically, it just stands to reason, 20 years from now, it's going to be 2 to 1 conservative in this country.
00:17:02.000Yeah, but that's assuming that they don't have your kids.
00:17:05.000That's the thing about horizontal gene translation.
00:17:07.000There's vertical gene translation, which is parent to child.
00:17:09.000Then there's horizontal, which is your environment changes your genetics.
00:17:13.000And if you have enough kids getting brainwashed with TV where they're being told they're transgender, they're being told they're evil or wrong, they could very well become that.
00:17:23.000The entire education system is leftist.
00:17:26.000And then you also have culture and people on social media telling you you have to be left just to be cool or else you get cancelled.
00:17:33.000If you're an impressionable teenager you're going to respond to those things.
00:17:37.000But not if you're a French teenager apparently.
00:17:40.000One of the interesting things I've noticed from the recent French election was that The younger people in France tend to be more supportive of the right there, which is an interesting contrast with America.
00:17:50.000I think that tracks exactly with what we're talking about.
00:17:57.000In the 2000s, conservatives were having slightly more kids than liberals.
00:18:02.00020 years, that means someone who was born in 2000, they're 22 years old.
00:18:29.000And I think the white pill in all this is we do seem to see a movement pushing back against this indoctrination.
00:18:34.000I think that's what the Virginia governor's race last year was all about.
00:18:38.000And, you know, the thing here that I see is that I don't really see when we talk about civil war, which is always a fun topic.
00:18:45.000To me, it seems like conservatives won't ever be the instigators, but progressives, leftists, woke people will.
00:18:52.000And so it's really critical, I think, for us to, you know, to take back power, to be willing to use the government to shut down some of these institutions that are trying to do this indoctrination to really go after them.
00:19:04.000And so that's that's like one of the biggest debates on the right right now is like, are we going to continue to be this like small government party that lets schools do whatever they want to your kids?
00:19:13.000Or are we going to take a more active role and say, no, absolutely not.
00:19:17.000Parents should have some control over that.
00:19:18.000Yeah, the meme works both directions, works in multiple directions.
00:19:22.000You may have indoctrination towards one thing, but just this show, you listening to this right now, you are being indoctrinated.
00:19:30.000And if you want your kids to learn this kind of information, let them listen to this kind of conversation.
00:19:36.000So we can heal the earth and we can heal our minds and our children's forethought proactively by exposing kids to good ideas.
00:19:46.000And this is why, for me, it all comes back to internet censorship.
00:19:49.000I think this is the most important issue for all of these culture war topics, because if you can't control the flow of information, then you can't indoctrinate people.
00:20:00.000I remember being in college and hearing absolute nonsense from gender studies professors and thinking, that sounds a bit Weird.
00:20:09.000I'm gonna go and look things up on the internet, see what the internet has to say about this particular debate about the social construction of gender, and then I'll find threads on 4chan and Reddit that broke it all down and explain to me that, yes, I was absolutely correct.
00:20:22.000You are listening to nonsense right now.
00:20:31.000This is why they're so determined to stop Elon Musk bringing free speech back to Twitter.
00:20:36.000If they can't control those choke points of information, the indoctrination machine completely collapses.
00:20:44.000And as these left-wing institutions, you know, really beclown themselves, I think people are, the media, for example, you look, CNN's ratings, MSNBC's ratings, always going down, you know, some of these things.
00:20:55.000I think people realize, OK, these institutions are bad.
00:20:58.000But as Allam said, like, if you take away our ability to access information, take away our ability to go to the Daily Wire,
00:21:05.000go to some of these other institutions to kind of counter this programming,
00:21:09.000then people are going to say, well, I heard that Trump's a racist.
00:21:12.000I guess that's true, because that's the only source that they saw.
00:22:01.000So the left, as you all know, have been freaking out non-stop for the past two or three weeks because of Elon Musk, who calls himself a free speech absolutist, and his plans to bring free speech absolutism back to Twitter, which is the correct way of explaining it.
00:22:18.000Free speech was originally an ideal of Twitter.
00:23:39.000I think people's obsession, maybe not obsession with nationalism, but like adherence to nationalism worries me because it's like, let's be realistic.
00:24:26.000Well, you remember when there was a debate as to whether this acquisition would take place, Saudi Prince came out and said, you know, they had a huge stake in Twitter.
00:28:39.000And people will be like, okay, there are such things as cult worshippers that believe anything, even if it's not real, when they hear it from their cultist.
00:28:46.000So people are afraid of that, and they want to censor it.
00:29:13.000And I'm like, But you reported on these studies!
00:29:16.000Donald Trump had a tendency of watching cable TV, putting too much stock in these institutional news outlets, because he kept giving them interviews, believing them, but then the next day they'd be like, uh, actually, that thing we said yesterday is gone.
00:30:02.000better for them to say the sky is red out in the public square because we'll be able to correct them and guide them
00:30:07.000to Where the truth is unfortunately what they're doing is
00:30:10.000there's they're suppressing it and so you're gonna have two Americas. Yeah, it's not where it's over reaction
00:30:15.000Let's just let's just Because I know there are many people who want to share this
00:30:21.000show and share the show with people who are not Initiated in the past several years of politics. Here is an
00:30:27.000article from Politico in January of 2017 from Ken Vogel and David Stern Ukrainian
00:30:33.000efforts to sabotage Trump backfire Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office.
00:30:42.000They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election.
00:30:50.000And they helped Clinton allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisors, a Politico investigation found.
00:30:59.000This is a story that came out right after the election that is still there, that has never been retracted.
00:31:06.000But yes, Politico and every other outlet came out.
00:31:09.000My favorite moment, shout out David Pakman, when he did a segment about Meet the Press, asking Ted Cruz, do you think Ukraine meddled in the election?
00:31:18.000And Ted's like, it was reported by Politico and like NBC.
00:31:22.000And then a guy in the background starts laughing.
00:33:05.000So we're building decentralized free software, which will be AGPL, where you can run your own network and have your own server and interact with other people using the software, try and bypass this stuff.
00:33:14.000I'm still concerned with Verizon having ISPs and things like that.
00:33:18.000We've got to figure out a way to like use decentralized tech, like Noster, N-O-S-T-E-R, stuff like that, where we don't need an internet to interact with each other.
00:33:28.000Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, when Russian disinformation met a Trump obsession, the Kremlin may have been laying the groundwork for blaming Ukraine for 2016 as early as 2015.
00:33:39.000Three weeks after Election Day 2016, the Kremlin officially floated a theory that would ultimately lead to only the third presidential impeachment in US history.
00:33:47.000Ukraine seriously complicated the work of Trump's election by planting information,
00:33:50.000aimed at damaging his campaign chairman Paul Manafort, a spokesman for Russia's foreign ministry,
00:33:55.000told reporters on November 30th, 2016, accusing the Ukrainian government of scheming
00:34:30.000This is also concerning because there was the government, basically there's a revolution in the Ukraine in 2014, you know, that, uh, I don't know if the CIA was involved in it, but that's what I, I've heard that a bunch.
00:35:02.000Russia is being terrible at what they do and not understanding how to compete in 4th and 5th generational warfare, decides to just go with bombs and tanks, killing people and destroying a country.
00:37:20.000Their children were being indoctrinated by Western social media.
00:37:24.000And so they were freaking out when Russia declared this war.
00:37:27.000I'm telling you, man, the difference between boomers and even millennials and down, this gap in internet usage, People like Putin and his advisors, his top military guys, they don't understand the cultural and mental worldview difference they have from their kids because their kids weren't raised by them.
00:37:44.000Their kids were raised by the internet and they were being raised by Facebook, Face CIA book as the activists like to call it.
00:37:51.000So what happens after Vladimir Putin ages out as it were?
00:37:57.000This is one of the big reasons why the establishment was praising Facebook and Twitter and social media for their free speech before Trump.
00:38:06.000There was a chap who worked in the Trump administration, an appointee, I won't name him, who said...
00:39:26.000I mean, you know, my entire job is exposing big tech, but if we're talking about the regime, big tech is not entirely a reluctant partner, but they were pressured into it to a large degree by external forces, especially the media.
00:39:45.000And this is why we see these 26 organizations coming and saying we need an advertiser boycott of Twitter, because that's their leverage over the tech companies, ultimately.
00:39:52.000That's how they get them to do things.
00:40:33.000So here's what they like and here's what they don't like.
00:40:34.000Twitter is like, say something and cross your fingers!
00:40:38.000If they actually came out and said, for X amount of dollars, we'll do this for you, I think they should be verifying everybody.
00:40:44.000I think, you know, I guess Elon Musk said he wants, what, like, two bucks per month for Twitter Blue, and then they'll verify you, your identity and all that stuff.
00:42:35.000And then I remember when YouTube came around and then all of a sudden the animators started putting their stuff on YouTube because it was just easy and fast.
00:42:44.000In fact, they had some video sometimes, but I guess they thought, no, no, no, we're an animator community, so we're gonna stick to that, and then everyone migrated their animations to YouTube, and that was... And they probably thought they were so big they didn't see the threat coming.
00:42:58.000But the crazy thing is, they were so big, but nowhere near as big as YouTube came to be.
00:43:05.000Do you remember the Ultimate Showdown?
00:43:07.000I was nine, I thought that was the funniest shit ever.
00:43:10.000Imagine if right now we were streaming, not on YouTube, but on Newgrounds.
00:43:14.000Because they had Flash Player, they could have done video.
00:43:18.000Imagine if they built out that infrastructure.
00:43:32.000YouTube had those video responses, which really enlivened the community before Google bought them.
00:43:36.000I wonder if Google was planning on buying them before that, or if they were like, whoa, there's a community here, and we want to build communities, so we're going to buy it.
00:43:42.000But they bought it for a billion, and YouTube was dying, was like, they couldn't pay for their infrastructure, so they had to sell the company.
00:43:50.000Let's talk about what's going on with Will Chamberlain, because as we talk about our cultural decay and our institutional collapse, Will Chamberlain has tweeted out a law clerk by the name of Elizabeth Deutsch.
00:44:01.000He says, in his humble opinion, she's the most likely person to have leaked the draft Supreme Court opinion in Dobbs, purporting to overturn Roe v. Wade.
00:44:10.000He says, a disclaimer, I have no inside information.
00:44:12.000This thread is speculation based almost entirely on publicly available information.
00:46:17.000Deutsche's career seems pretty focused on abortion, but without some connection to Josh Gerstein, the journalist who received the leak, there would be no reason to suspect her.
00:46:25.000Let's go back to that New York Times wedding announcement.
00:46:44.000Looks like Gerstein and they are still bros, chatting on Twitter, interacting as recently as last year.
00:46:48.000To conclude, we have a currently sitting Supreme Court law clerk whose career has been almost solely focused on abortion.
00:46:53.000She wrote her law school note on abortion, she wrote op-eds about reproductive rights, spent a year working on abortion at the ACLU, clerked for a pro-choice judge, and it just so happens that her husband is a journalist sharing bylines with Josh Gerstein at Politico, and it looks like they're still friends.
00:47:06.000Sharing a byline means they work together.
00:47:08.000Like, they've shared this story that's published, so they know each other for sure.
00:47:12.000He says, I don't know that Elizabeth Deutch leaked the draft opinion, but I certainly think someone who has spent much of their academic and professional life fighting to expand the right to get an abortion could be desperate enough to do so.
00:47:23.000I think it's an interesting thread and some good journalistic work.
00:47:26.000He didn't publish any private details outside of, here's a person who publicly works for the court and we're looking for a leaker.
00:47:32.000Robbie Suave says, what is the argument that it's okay to do this, but not to reveal the name of Libs of TikTok?
00:47:38.000Ian Milestrong, she's not anonymous for one.
00:47:40.000And secondly, Will didn't publish Deutsche's home address.
00:47:47.000We're going to start looking who the publicly available information on law clerks is.
00:47:52.000Libs of TikTok's name was not in the public.
00:47:55.000But my argument on that one was always, I disagree with it, but There's an argument to be made about the journalistic issue around whether or not who someone is should be public knowledge.
00:48:07.000Considering Libs of TikTok had 600,000 followers and was influencing politics, I think the reporting was warranted, but the name didn't serve a purpose.
00:48:15.000Posting the home address was crossing the line.
00:48:17.000As for this, this is not an anonymous person.
00:48:19.000This is someone who has stamped Law Clerk at the Supreme Court under their name.
00:48:39.000I wonder if Will is over-target on this one and he actually found who may have leaked the- Also, making popular memes on Twitter and- Well, not even making popular memes, sharing videos on Twitter.
00:48:50.000I'm sorry, I just don't buy that this isn't a public person.
00:48:54.000You know, you work for a member of Congress that's publicly known.
00:48:57.000Oh yeah, posting memes is way more powerful than being a law clerk at the Supreme Court.
00:49:00.000I'm sorry, I just don't buy that this isn't a public person.
00:49:03.000You know, you work for a member of Congress that's publicly known.
00:49:07.000You know, if you tweet something as a member of Congress, I guarantee you the New York
00:51:00.000What I care about is that a small number of conservative justices who lied about their plans to the Senate intend to deprive millions of women of reproductive care.
00:51:59.000When you have two distinct political factions, and within those umbrellas, you have many different ideologies, like libertarian and conservative are kind of in the same space, but they really don't agree with each other, just like progressives and neolibs don't, but they're in the same space.
00:52:13.000What happens is, we had one United States, And a Republican would be like, I can't do that because Democrats, you know, I'm going to get all the flack from my colleagues in Congress.
00:52:56.000There's no... Ethan can come out and accuse anyone on the right of being anything, and there's zero damage he will face.
00:53:04.000We had a detransitioner on the show yesterday, and I'm like, I'm sure a bunch of activists are going to come and scream in my face, but they have zero impact on my work or my show, so why should I care?
00:53:13.000And that means when the boomers are gone, there's going to be two distinct Political realities in this country.
00:53:19.000You said that there's one United States.
00:53:22.000And the reason we have 50 states is because just in case a political faction attempts to seize power at the federal level, the states have total recourse to resist that.
00:53:48.000The issue with this is, you know, Republicans, conservatives will always say federalism will solve everything, that we should push things back to the states.
00:53:56.000But I do think, you know, it's important to know who our enemy is here.
00:53:59.000And to Tim's point, I mean, these are people who think that the ends are always justified.
00:54:04.000And so, you know, why would California listen to, you know, some...
00:54:12.000I think the most important war is the information war, and the reason why these divides are happening is because the media has gone so far to the left that it's creating this alternative reality.
00:54:57.000And so you ended up with websites like Mike.com, which initially started as Ron Paul supporting, and then went woke because they were like, this stuff works.
00:55:07.000You know what doesn't work for the right?
00:55:09.000What worked for the right was anti-SJW.
00:55:12.000We don't like the things they're doing, so we're gonna complain about it whenever they do it.
00:55:17.000What worked for the left was literally lying about anything.
00:55:20.000It's claiming that cops are going around hunting down black people.
00:55:24.000Russiagate, Covington, Jussie Smollett, Ghost of Kiev, that's a new one.
00:55:32.000They do it non-stop, all day, every day, and it works every time.
00:55:36.000These people live in a chaotic dimension of flame, fire, and destruction, and they don't care they've been wrong about almost every major cultural story of the past decade.
00:55:50.000So when I pull up Politico, quite literally having two articles, one saying Ukraine did meddle, and one saying, actually, that was Russian disinformation, but they never retracted the other one, how can these people exist?
00:56:01.000How can their brains function with such cognitive dissonance?
00:56:19.000The way to do it is to show them they're not as popular as they think.
00:56:23.000And what's insulating them from that is social media censorship.
00:56:26.000What I want to know is why are Republicans so keen on bailing this industry out, bailing the news media out, the same industry that is publishing these Politico articles, the same industry.
00:57:56.000Give us the elevator pitch of what the bill does.
00:57:58.000It says, to provide a safe harbor for publishers of online content to collectively negotiate with dominant online platforms regarding the terms on which content may be distributed.
00:58:07.000It's a temporary waiver on antitrust to basically allow these small publishers to collectively bargain against Facebook and Google.
00:59:17.000You'd get some national stuff, but they'd also be like, a fire hydrant burst over on the corner of 63rd and, you know, California, and now there's water everywhere, the road has been blocked off, and you're like, oh.
00:59:27.000Now, you turn on the news, and it's CNN, and they're like, Trump is a Nazi.
00:59:30.000And you're like, okay, that's not anything relevant to me.
00:59:39.000So you have to actively choose, as someone in an area, to find your local news, but I think most people don't do that.
00:59:46.000The other thing is, you know, local news is how this is being pitched to congressmen.
00:59:50.000I mean, anyone who's been in politics for a long time knows that the great soundbite is, we're on the side of the little guys against the big guys.
00:59:56.000That's how politicians have been selling almost anything for a very, very long time.
01:00:02.000There's nothing in the bill that limits this to local news, but there is a big part of the bill that allows any cartel that forms to exclude whoever they want, as long as they're not similarly situated to them.
01:01:12.000It's the same thing they're doing in Canada.
01:01:14.000It's the same thing they're doing in Australia.
01:01:18.000And, you know, the way this works in D.C.
01:01:20.000is that the News Media Alliance, which is the big umbrella lobbying group for all the big media companies, you should check out their website.
01:01:27.000Go to NewsMediaAlliance.org, Board of Directors, and look at some of the people who are part of this organization that basically wrote this bill.
01:01:36.000And you're not going to see a lot of local news in there.
01:01:56.000This is very strange because, like, I just don't... So what would you suggest?
01:02:00.000What would you suggest is a better play to prevent Facebook and Google from getting all this ad revenue, from basically incentivizing the nationalization of everything?
01:02:08.000No, it goes back to what we were saying when we were talking about how evil is big tech.
01:02:15.000Big tech was pressured into censoring by advertiser boycotts driven by the media.
01:02:20.000So big tech is bad but they're bad because they are favoring the media and this is a bill that would force them to favor the media even more than they are currently doing.
01:02:32.000What we want is for them to allow everyone to compete on an equal We're doing alright.
01:02:37.000We don't need a handout, and I don't want my competition to get free money from the government or for protections.
01:02:44.000even local newspapers which are just as left wing and biased as the national newspapers.
01:02:50.000We don't need a handout and I don't want my competition to get free money from the government
01:02:58.000Look, I think it's a complicated bill.
01:03:00.000I think there's a lot of arguments on both sides on it.
01:03:02.000But I will say this, which is if you're going to take on big tech, the biggest problem conservatives have is that these companies don't respect Republicans.
01:03:10.000They don't respect them as having posing any sort of threat whatsoever to them.
01:03:14.000And so if you're not going to embrace, which all of them I know we disagree on antitrust too, but if you're not going to embrace any sort of actual solution that'll do something to these companies, they're not going to change their, you know, they're going to continue to censor.
01:04:41.000And for Republicans to support a bill that bails out the media, that's an obscene betrayal of their voters.
01:04:48.000I think that's a really good talking point, but I don't think if you had talked to Rand Paul, if you had talked to these guys, I don't think that that's an accurate explanation.
01:05:50.000The thing you read out there, Tim, dedicated professional editorial stuff, that leaves out every one-man independent journalist, every one-man operation.
01:06:07.000Glenn Greenwald went before Congress and opposed this bill.
01:06:11.000You should actually watch his testimony before the House Committee.
01:06:14.000It says the bill creates a four-year safe harbor from antitrust laws for print, broadcast, or digital news companies to collectively negotiate with online content distributors.
01:06:23.000requiring the terms on which the news company's content may be distributed by online content distributors.
01:06:29.000I completely oppose that in every way.
01:06:32.000You're telling me that you think the New York Times, the Washington Post, CBS, ABC, NBC should be able to come
01:06:38.000together violating antitrust provisions to negotiate collectively
01:06:43.000amongst all of the biggest and most powerful media in the world.
01:07:25.000I would rather, I would rather Google and Facebook destroy the media machine through technological advancement and then people like us figure out how to pick up the pieces and build outside of that ecosystem and create something new through merit.
01:07:39.000So one of the things we did was over a year ago we launched TimCast.com.
01:07:43.000We are funded primarily now through memberships.
01:07:46.000We are removing our reliance on big tech platforms, and we have been reducing our reliance on big tech platforms.
01:07:52.000The next thing we're going to be doing is doing mobile apps and smart TV apps.
01:07:55.000We are finding a way to navigate this.
01:07:57.000We've got infrastructure being built right now to make us more sensor resilient, and I do not want to see CNN team up with the Washington Post and the New York Times to give themselves more power by leveraging the weight of their massive conglomeration And you know, I was covering this from the beginning, this favoring of the media.
01:08:22.000So Facebook already pays billions to news companies in licensing.
01:08:27.000Google has poured hundreds of millions, if not billions, into propping up the media already.
01:08:33.000And they're doing that because they've been told for five years by the media If you don't favor us, we're going to whip up advertiser boycotts.
01:10:09.000But that's, I mean, I suppose my issue with that, and what most people would probably argue is, you're just talking about seizing the means of production.
01:10:40.000If you look at what was happening in 2016, the independent media was eclipsing the mainstream media because at that point Google and Facebook and Twitter were not favoring the mainstream media.
01:10:49.000It was a relatively even playing field.
01:10:52.000We don't want the news media to be protected in any way, which is in the literal title of this bill, Journalism Competition and Protection Act.
01:10:59.000And no, I'm not seizing the means of production.
01:11:03.000I'm liberating the means of production.
01:11:04.000Yeah, that's exactly what communists say.
01:11:06.000No, they would take it from the state.
01:11:50.000They built a machine that took millions of dollars and years and you are saying well, no one else can do that
01:11:56.000It would take too long So we should be able to have the machine they built is
01:11:59.000server space and they can keep their servers I'm not talking about seizing their stuff.
01:12:02.000I'm talking about giving people access to the information.
01:12:05.000We've had this discussion before that you don't believe in intellectual property rights.
01:12:09.000Well, I mean, yeah, for sure there's intellectual property rights, but when something functions in the commons, then you've got to start questioning if they still have the right to own it.
01:12:17.000Right, I guess the fundamental difference is I believe in private property rights and you don't.
01:13:36.000You think that people aren't going to see that and see that they're committing some sort of... Well, in fact, they did sort of already do that with Alphabet.
01:13:42.000That's what they were trying to do, corporate restructuring.
01:13:44.000Ian, I think the issue is your ideas are not formulated based on an understanding of how businesses work in this country.
01:14:11.000He eats food at the office, his business pays for things, so he takes no personal income, because the business pays taxes.
01:14:18.000They say, Amazon didn't pay any taxes.
01:14:19.000Actually, Amazon paid an insane amount of taxes, because they're not just paying corporate income tax, they're paying employment taxes, property taxes, healthcare, all of this stuff, they're taxed very, very heavily.
01:14:31.000When it comes to the arguments about how do we then make the rich pay their fair share, it's like you've not defined what fair share is.
01:14:37.000Okay, well, what if what if we said they have to pay 20%?
01:14:39.000It's like the rich already have a higher tax bracket than that.
01:14:43.000Well, then why aren't we getting their money?
01:14:46.000There are laws in place that make sense.
01:14:49.000Once you get to a certain amount of power, those laws don't mean anything anymore.
01:14:55.000Elon Musk has no reason to pay himself any money if his business is always stocked with food, he walks in and there's a luncheon for all the employees and he can just eat what's there.
01:15:06.000He doesn't need to buy himself a car if the business has a car that he drives for business reasons.
01:15:10.000So they're saying, why isn't he paying taxes?
01:15:12.000Because of the existing structure, which makes sense, that he is using, but the taxes are happening somewhere.
01:15:17.000What you're saying, and arguing about the Free the Code all the time, fundamentally misunderstands how businesses work.
01:15:51.000See, the issue is, I'm going to come out and say that when Twitter takes control of the public space in terms of communications, we could do a hybridization of a privately owned public space.
01:16:01.000Which means the public has a right to it, but it's owned privately and they can dictate how they run the business to make money.
01:16:06.000That's how Zuccotti Parked worked in New York.
01:16:09.000What you're saying is you would take their ownership of the code itself and give it to everyone else, which I don't think would do anything at all, to be completely honest.
01:16:19.000I'm interested in the idea, because what's the incentive for a corporation to do this?
01:16:31.000It's removing the monopoly without destroying the company.
01:16:34.000So in terms of ownership, I don't think I would agree with you.
01:16:36.000But in terms of, you know, like if we reformed Section 230 for the largest companies to be like a First Amendment standard or something like that, and you were trying to prove in court, say you had a private right of action in the law, you were trying to prove in court that Google was suppressing your content, there would be a discovery, right?
01:16:55.000A discovery phase where you could look at the algorithm, something like that.
01:16:58.000I'm more interested in what you're talking about if it's disclosure of like what it is The actual ownership, I think I'd really struggle.
01:17:09.000The idea would be if you spend 10 years building software code to run a service like Twitter, if they get to a certain size, the code itself is then given to the public who can then take all of that.
01:17:23.000No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, So Truth Social could be Twitter?
01:17:45.000No one's going to invest in building Twitter if they lose that investment.
01:17:50.000You're going to go to a person of means and say, we need $100,000 to build a program that does X. And they're going to say, and in 10 years, where's my money?
01:17:58.000Oh, completely gone because everyone gets it for free.
01:18:01.000Maybe social media no longer will be about making money.
01:18:04.000Maybe it's actually going to be about public good for once.
01:18:28.000I think maybe if we're talking about mission-driven culture, where people are like, I want to make a company that does like, like, like, I know the guy who led the investment, the investment in mines quite well, he definitely does care about free speech and open, open software.
01:18:46.000So that's some investors do actually care about that stuff.
01:19:09.000I could be wrong about this, but someone told me once that they're allowed to...
01:19:14.000A corporation doesn't have to make money.
01:19:16.000They're like a hybrid of a non-profit, for-profit.
01:19:19.000So, whereas most corporations have to make money for their shareholders, they have a fiduciary duty, I think B Corps are the ones that are like a do-good corporation or something like that.
01:20:17.000Part of the problem, unfortunately, is that a lot of the people with means have desires that go against, I think, where we would be at, where a lot of the American people would be at.
01:20:27.000And so, you know, I'll tell you as, you know, we're a very conservative organization.
01:20:31.000When we've been raising money for politics to get involved in these campaigns, it's really hard for conservatives especially to talk about, you know, raising money to do ads on abortion or on the trans stuff or any of that because the donors just aren't out there.
01:20:46.000The donors are much more interested in giving, you know, for, you know, mass immigration or things like that.
01:20:51.000And so I think that's a difficulty that we have.
01:20:54.000I think one of the issues is that... Except for Elon.
01:20:57.000You know, my view of capitalism is if you do good and you're effective, you will make money.
01:21:04.000If you are providing a service, however, I don't believe in absolute unfettered free markets.
01:21:10.000I think you'll end up with people doing really weird things like metaverse porn where people become carrots and that's probably going to happen anyway.
01:21:18.000And I'm like, I'm pretty libertarian on that, but I do think it's bad for society as a whole, that we'll chase after self-gratification instead of going to space.
01:21:27.000Go to Mars, Starship, Twitter stuff, Starlink, all really awesome stuff.
01:21:32.000I look at it like traditional idealistic capitalism is, you invent a lightbulb, you illuminate the world, congratulations, you'll be made rich because of it, you are being rewarded by people for saying, we appreciate your service, and now you get to live comfortably because you did something great.
01:21:46.000I think TimCast.com does really good things, and I think we're going to continue to grow and do more good things, and for it, we get rewarded for doing great things.
01:21:52.000Nikola Tesla is an example of someone that didn't know how to capitalize.
01:21:55.000What a brilliant, generous, good man from what I know about him, and man, he did not know how to write a patent, or whatever it was, whereas Einstein knew how to patent his stuff and became very, very wealthy.
01:22:04.000And Nikola died a pauper, like he was alone.
01:22:07.000He lived in a hotel room telling people he had a death laser to get to stop, not have to pay for his room every night.
01:22:12.000Just a tragic story of not understanding capitalism.
01:22:15.000And I agree that it is important to at least stay afloat.
01:23:59.000And also, you talk about profit, because making money doesn't mean you're going to make profit.
01:24:02.000So how much profit are you intending to make, and at what cost?
01:24:05.000Psychological cost, or what damage to society?
01:24:08.000It's a lot of unquantifiable concepts.
01:24:10.000Everybody thinks they're the good guy.
01:24:12.000Even the people who work for these big petroleum companies are convinced they're the good guys.
01:24:16.000And these activists show up, and they say, you're destroying the planet, and they get violent, and the people who work for these oil companies are like, I'm doing everything in my power to make the world a better place.
01:24:24.000You know, at Minds, we had to figure out how addictive do we want to make Minds.com?
01:25:41.000Then no one will ever leave the website.
01:25:43.000That would be like a gamification mod for Mines that I built.
01:25:47.000We could still install it one day where you get avatars and you can spend Mines tokens to get characters that you can send out on missions every day to go get.
01:25:54.000And then if you click the notification at the right moment, then they get the item when they come back and then you have like a hall of fame with your item.
01:26:18.000I give my wealth away before I get it.
01:26:20.000And I haven't used my money to make money because I feel like it just felt dirty.
01:26:23.000So thank you for making the money for me, Tim.
01:26:26.000Well, I'll give you a... I'll break it down for you in a way that you can understand, Ian.
01:26:31.000You are playing a game of magic, and you have all of the planes before you with the good, righteous knights and the angels, and they're all good and charitable and trying to protect the people.
01:26:42.000And so you say, I'm gonna give this power away.
01:26:45.000And then along comes a necromancer, who's loaded with swamps, and he goes, Yes, Ian.
01:28:30.000And then everyone would be like, yeah, but everyone's on Twitter, so I'll use that instead.
01:28:33.000Or you could, but you could get the same experience on, well, you'd have a different experience, but you'd have the same information from different, it just depends on how you want to go at it.
01:28:40.000Do you want to come with your Gab, through Gab?
01:28:43.000I think the issue is your perspective on this is rooted in... you're looking at code, because that's where you come from, not realizing that people care about people, not code.
01:29:01.000Twitter could reduce the amount of characters back to 140.
01:29:05.000It's still gonna be the dominant platform.
01:29:06.000Which, which by the way is why, and I think Alam and I have both talked, written about this, but this is why the, you know, build your own doesn't work.
01:29:21.000Like you can, you can, it's like, imagine if someone said, if, if the lake gets to a certain amount of users, they have to build a lake or give someone all of the means to build their own lake.
01:29:35.000I go to the beach because there's fish.
01:29:37.000Or I go to the lake to fish because there's fish.
01:29:39.000If someone else builds a lake and there's no fish in it, I can't fish there.
01:29:42.000But what you can do is build a channel from one lake to the other.
01:29:45.000If there's, like, your lake has all the fish in the middle, and then there's, like, a thousand other lakes, but they have no fish, you just build a thousand canals.
01:29:51.000But you can't... Everyone can fish together.
01:29:53.000You can't force Twitter to allow that interoperability.
01:29:55.000Oh, you can break up monopolies, that's for sure.
01:30:07.000The ideal would be if it was easy for everyone to just make a post that it gets broadcast to Twitter, to Gab, to Minds, to all the platforms instantaneously.
01:30:17.000But that doesn't happen without interoperability to some extent.
01:30:20.000Yeah, we tried to do that with Minds in the early days, but we didn't have access to the code, so we couldn't do it.
01:30:26.000Using their proprietary APIs and stuff.
01:30:28.000Yeah, and the great thing about platforms like Mines and Gab that are based on values is that you know when you go on them, they're not going to sell you out in free speech.
01:30:36.000It's not going to be like Twitter where they promised it to you in the first few years and then took it away from you years later after you built your following.
01:30:42.000I think Gab may have banned advocacy of porn.
01:30:59.000That's the private network if it wants to do it.
01:31:00.000That's why I have my own version of it.
01:31:02.000Will Gabb ban you for saying, I believe a law should be passed legalizing porn, blah, blah, blah.
01:31:09.000My understanding is that Torba said, I could be wrong, so, you know, Torba, if I'm wrong about this, but there was a tweet where they said, you will not be allowed to advocate for this, you'll be banned, degenerate, or something like that.
01:31:19.000I describe Gab as a free speech friendly platform.
01:38:43.000Matthew Reckham says, To everyone who keeps saying we're in dark times now, let me remind you that the movie Demolition Man, based on Brave New World and predicted self-driving electric cars, Zoom meetings, culturally enforced germophobia, and more is set in 2032.
01:43:19.000That regular people are looking for the truth, and when the Democrats lie, they go... If you just come out and start lying the way they do, people are going to be like, eh, screw it.
01:45:09.000When you talk to the DMT people, proponents of it, about this stuff, it's weird how the psychedelic and the political kind of merge.
01:45:18.000Because a lot of people were saying NPC, non-player character, as kind of an insult, referencing someone just not paying attention and not caring.
01:45:25.000But then you talk to the people about DMT and you're like, oh man.
01:45:29.000Because, you know, we were talking to Michael Malice, and I may be getting this wrong, but he was saying, like, we're, like, meat puppets of some kind of entities or something.
01:45:39.000And then I'm like, what if some people don't have an entity controlling them the way, you know, you do when you do DMT?
01:46:07.000The next 10 years we'll see both become irrelevant.
01:46:10.000Yeah, we were talking about the Russia-Ukraine stuff.
01:46:12.000The dollar, the American hegemony over the dollar.
01:46:14.000This is something that's going to be a huge story coming up because Russia found ways to kind of go around by selling their oil.
01:46:21.000They're in an alliance with China on this stuff, so it's going to be really, really scary.
01:46:25.000It's interesting because when we talk about, um, Strauss-Howe generational theory, we're looking at, I think, the end of the winter, the fourth turning, in 2028, which means 2026 should be extreme turmoil.
01:46:38.000I wonder if four more years is enough to see many boomers and older generation leave, younger generation come in that will create a massive upset.
01:47:17.000Ready to Rumble says, I can't believe you just med Seinfeld.
01:47:20.000Seinfeld was the funniest TV show ever created.
01:47:22.000You need more Seinfeld in your life, Tim.
01:47:24.000You know, maybe it was at the time, because I remember watching it, but I wonder if it's like a certain kind of humor for what, like Boomers and Gen X?
01:47:34.000It's a show about four friends who have emotional problems and, and like, That was that was the idea.
01:47:40.000They tried claiming Seinfeld to show about nothing.
01:47:42.000No, it's for friends and They have interpersonal drama like any other sitcom It's about a comedian living in New York with a wacky neighbor and a short friend who has life troubles And there were a lot of really the show was really funny in a lot of ways But I feel like that kind of humor.
01:47:57.000Maybe it was a lot funnier back in the day I don't find it as funny today.
01:47:59.000It was groundbreaking when it came out, right?
01:48:02.000It was a Michael Richards really one of my physical comedy was off the charts.
01:48:28.000I think traditional comedians can't compete with the Internet because they don't have that instant feedback.
01:48:33.000Like, they never had to subject themselves to Reddit upvotes or having replies on a 4chan thread.
01:48:39.000Well, comedians go do stand-up to test out their jokes and then go on tour.
01:48:45.000With the Internet, you can try things out in real time.
01:48:47.000Yeah, and you're doing it with thousands and tens of thousands of people.
01:48:50.000One of the best episodes of Seinfeld is when George decides to do everything the opposite of what he would normally do, because he's like, his life sucks.
01:49:20.000It is a difficult conversation because then you get rid of the Ron Pauls, you know?
01:49:24.000Or the Rand Pauls, but like we said up to now, I love Rand Paul, I love Rand Paul, and then you see he votes for something or he's unsupportive for something like what we were talking about earlier.
01:49:31.000James Nelson says, Ian doesn't get it.
01:49:33.000The code is worthless and can be reverse engineered.
01:49:36.000Big Tech's power comes from its user base.
01:49:55.000You mean command Google to interoperate with other people?
01:50:00.000Going to Twitter and saying, you need to now make your company able to interact with other networks in it, they can be like, you're asking us to build a thing we don't know how to build.
01:50:25.000But so I'm talking about they have to build a bridge.
01:50:27.000So I suppose it's one thing to be like, I think the EU wanted to standardize phone chargers so that every phone would use the same charger and they'd stop having this problem with all these different chargers.
01:50:37.000The issue with Twitter is that you're asking them to build a protocol for which their things on Twitter can be transported in real time actively forever between different networks.
01:50:53.000It's a question of, you know, can they continue to be profitable and be a successful business if you ask them to do this?
01:50:59.000Where I don't think it's ever fair or smart for government to say, let's, you know, force this company to build this and then they would rather go out of business.
01:51:07.000It's it's it's I don't think it's possible to force their API open to require Twitter to send their data out to third parties because it would But if you're on Gab and I'm reading your Twitter feed, Twitter's still getting my activity, even though I'm on Gab.
01:51:19.000and then they're losing what makes the network work in the first place.
01:51:22.000Twitter needs to be able to make money unless you want to nationalize it and
01:51:27.000But if Twitter has to give its code away and then people do decide with
01:51:31.000interoperability, I can go to Gab instead.
01:51:34.000Then Twitter loses membership in advertising revenue and collapses.
01:51:37.000But if you're on, if you're on Gab and I'm reading your Twitter feed, Twitter
01:51:41.000still getting my activity, even though I'm on Gab, but they're not running ads.
01:51:45.000No, I think the ad revenue model is dead.
01:51:47.000So then they're not going to get the memberships?
01:51:50.000You might be able to work out memberships where like if someone subscribes to the mega network or that Twitter gets 24%, Gab gets 20%, Mines gets 20%, or if you subscribe and you're connected with like what networks are you in that you want to pay for, they all get a piece of it with a smart contract?
01:52:05.000I don't think the answer is for the government to go in with a sledgehammer and just destroy Twitter, as much as I like the idea.
01:52:12.000I think it's that we have to build these open source interoperable systems and make people use them.
01:52:20.000This is another reason I want to come back to, you know, look at what the tech regulations are on an individual level and also who they apply to.
01:52:27.000You know, you asked me two months ago, should we regulate Twitter?
01:52:30.000You asked me today, I'd say no, maybe not.
01:52:32.000Because it's not about, you know, do we support regulation or do we not support regulation, but who's in charge, who's in charge of enforcing the regulation, wackos at the FTC, and who's going to be affected by them.
01:52:44.000Luckily, not Twitter under most of the antitrust laws, but I'm sure the Democrats will try.
01:52:51.000You gotta look at each individual proposed regulation to see what it does, and importantly, who will enforce it.
01:52:58.000There's a crazy person they hired at the FTC called Meredith Whittaker, and the FTC is going to be enforcing a lot of the antitrust stuff.
01:53:05.000I think Zack Bell might have the best response to Ian.
01:53:07.000He says, Please explain how freeing the code won't just open up the floodgates to allow hackers to utilize or even destroy the system.
01:53:15.000Um, well, there's security code that you don't have to open up, but as long as the network itself is available to be interoperated with from a user-based perspective, I think that kind of solves the problem.
01:53:25.000And then what they'll do is they'll entwine specific core functionality with security and say, you can't do anything about it.
01:53:30.000Yeah, I've never seen a network have all their security open.
01:53:56.000So, uh, to clarify, to expand upon this for those that don't understand the, if a random, if, if the whole world knew Facebook's code, they would find every exploit imaginable to break in, spy, steal, and destroy everything from the company.
01:54:13.000You'd also have people empowering, like strengthening the code and making it more resistant.
01:54:18.000So they could probably do like bug hunt and then good people might help, but they're called zero.
01:54:23.000So a zero day exploit means it spent zero days in the public sphere.
01:54:27.000You open up the code from these companies and.
01:54:30.000You're going to have a million hackers discovering a million zero days, and then you're going to cross your fingers the good guys will find out.
01:54:36.000Yeah, Mines doesn't have their security code is not free.
01:54:41.000That would be insane, because then people could just hack it like you're saying.
01:54:43.000But you can still interoperate with Mines.
01:54:50.000Because if they release their code that allows you to create your login system, then you are not secure and anyone can just enter your account.
01:54:57.000Yeah, we need a unique login, like a passport, where you can log into other networks with your personal passport wallet type thing.
01:55:04.000Well, it's kind of what we're building with the foundation.
01:55:06.000I think the issue is any code for any functionality of mines that goes out allows someone to exploit the system and makes it so you're not safe.
01:55:33.000I, I could agree with that to the extent that for this show, for
01:55:39.000instance, we have to have security because.
01:55:41.000I'm not saying that we shouldn't have security.
01:55:43.000But at a certain point, you get so big, you have to have it.
01:55:46.000If we didn't have security, I don't know if we could keep doing the show.
01:55:49.000In the United States, they say it's freedom, then security.
01:55:51.000But without the security, we wouldn't have no freedom.
01:55:53.000If we didn't guard and protect our borders and our streets with police and military, we wouldn't be free to walk around without getting our back stabbed.
01:55:58.000So the issue is Facebook is so big, If they released their code, they would be destroyed instantly.
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02:02:22.000I guess me saying that has resulted in people following me on Twitter, because I was just thinking, like, why do I have so many Twitter followers?