BLM activist John Earl Sullivan has been convicted for his role in inciting a white supremacist group at a Black Lives Matter protest in Washington, D.C. on January 6th. We talk about how the mainstream media and corporate media are handling this, and how they're going to respond to it. We also talk about TikTok's new ban on some of the more controversial items, and we have our first guest on the show, Dave Smith.
00:00:36.000Because now they're trying to deflect from the fact that he's a Black Lives Matter supporter and that was basically what it was all about.
00:00:42.000He even said in the, uh, there's video of him from the, from that day where he's saying, I don't, I'll be on anybody's side if they're going to tear it all down, yada yada yada.
00:00:50.000So that's going to be interesting, how we see liberals and the left respond to this, considering, well, for a long time, a lot of conservatives said there were antifa, there were leftists there.
00:01:01.000But we also got to talk about what's going on with TikTok, because this is a wild story that's been going off since yesterday.
00:01:06.000TikTok has been promoting videos where leftists say they read Osama bin Laden's letter to America, and that they believe he was correct.
00:01:16.000I don't think any of these people actually read the thing, because he's basically lamenting how US foreign policy is preventing Sharia law from taking hold on the planet, and how he wants all of the West to come to Islam.
00:01:26.000And I think if they actually read, maybe even like the first paragraph, where Osama Bin Laden says that you have to abandon fornication, homosexuality, gambling, and usury, they might be like, wait, I don't know if we agree with this guy, but sure enough, now we're getting news that TikTok is going to start banning all of these things.
00:01:55.000And we have the zombified chicken foot rising from the earth.
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00:02:34.000Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more, we got Dave Smith!
00:04:34.000Yeah, Tim got to see it while it was in progress the other day.
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00:04:43.000I love y'all, I'm looking forward to a good show!
00:04:45.000Did they record the debate between you and Laura Loomer?
00:04:48.000Yeah, Zero Hedge put it out on their Twitter or X feed or whatever, and I think Laura Loomer put it out on her Rumble.
00:04:58.000I'm going to be moderating the next Zero Hedge debate.
00:05:01.000So that'll be with, uh, I don't know if it's official who it is yet or what it's on, so I'm not going to mention it now, but it's going to be- Trump vs. Biden!
00:05:07.000It's going to be in the next couple weeks, and as soon as I get the green light that it's all confirmed and everything, I'll start telling everybody what's what, but keep an eye open.
00:05:13.000Could you imagine Ian moderating a debate between those two?
00:05:16.000Like, he would just ask them questions, they had no idea what was going on, they'd be like, I don't know what to answer.
00:06:06.000Sullivan's testimony was followed up by prosecutors who played multiple videos of Sullivan urging on the mob, which included a self-declaration to make Trump supporters f-ish up.
00:06:16.000I'm gonna side with anyone who is ready to rip this ish down, Sullivan said in one video.
00:06:21.000I brought my megaphone to instigate ish, he said in another video.
00:06:26.000NBC News reports that prosecutors portrayed Sullivan as an anti-establishment activist who had the goal to burn it all down.
00:06:33.000Now I have to wonder, Here's NBC News saying, anti-establishment activists sought to incite Trump supporters on January 6th, DOJ argues.
00:06:40.000But of course, I want to make sure we can bring up John Earl Sullivan's Wikipedia page.
00:06:55.000They say he entered the Capitol and accidentally broke a window.
00:06:58.000He repeatedly shouted encouragement to fellow writers, and they go on to outright outline the things that he does, and ultimately his claims of being a journalist.
00:07:07.000I believe CNN paid him, what did they pay him, 50 grand?
00:07:52.000Okay, and then, do you have- does it say anything about, like, what obviously hasn't been sentenced yet, but what type of jail time he's looking at for this?
00:07:58.000Uh, well, here's the interesting thing.
00:08:00.000I mean- Because breaking a window is what that, uh, the Proud Boy or whatever got- that got him, like, 50- Fifteen, seventeen years or whatever it was.
00:08:08.000And the argument was that they were like, well, by breaking a window, this wasn't just, oh, you broke a government window.
00:08:15.000It was you created an opening for a mob that would then be trying to overthrow the government.
00:08:40.000It's a total joke, and I don't mean that literally, but, you know, get my point.
00:08:43.000Anyway, well, I'm just saying, what, like, I, because if they're going, first off, if they're going to throw the book at this guy in that way, I still would think that's insane, as I do with all the January 6th protesters.
00:08:55.000What's really interesting about this is the question of, which I don't know if it's clear, What is this guy, hey, I'm just so anti-establishment, I'mma burn it all down when there's Black Lives Matter rally guy, and I'mma burn it all down when there's J6 type guys, or is this what I think a lot of the right-wingers were more suspicious of initially after January 6th, that this is somebody who's trying to make the pro-Trump movement look bad
00:09:21.000By instigating all of them to do something that then could be spun as like, yeah, look how horrible the pro-Trump people are.
00:09:28.000Because if Black Lives Matter was disavowing this guy before the January 16th even went off, he might have been, it's a kill two birds with one stone situation where he's like, you know, I can F the government and I can get all these people thrown in jail and get them to commit crimes.
00:09:42.000And then I can, you know, do away with two.
00:09:45.000He just sounds like a radical that went too far.
00:09:46.000I don't know if you guys remember this, but prior to January of 2021, the left was not shy about openly embracing insurrectionist rhetoric.
00:09:54.000I remember during the BLM rides, there were left-wingers who were saying, all these right-wing hypocrites spent years saying they have the Second Amendment to rebel against tyranny and overthrow the U.S.
00:10:02.000government, and now that the government is just indiscriminately killing unarmed black people, which is of course a lie, but that's what they were saying, these right-wingers won't rise up against this state.
00:10:11.000And then as soon as January Sixth, 2021 happens.
00:10:15.000Oh my gosh, insurrection is the most serious problem in this country and we need to call these people traitors and throw them in prison.
00:10:21.000So it wouldn't surprise me that you actually might have a left-wing activist saying, yeah, I'll join with these right-wingers, try to overthrow the government or try to instigate right-wingers to overthrow the government.
00:10:29.000I want to crank this thing all the way up to 11 right now, if I may, and just say civil war.
00:10:39.000I don't literally mean to say Civil War, but I'd like for you guys to give me your thoughts on... The other day, we saw David DePapp testify.
00:10:45.000This is the guy who attacked Paul Pelosi.
00:10:47.000In his testimony, he claimed that he was a leftist who was radicalized by right-wing conspiracy theories watching YouTube.
00:10:53.000Of that he included me, Glenn Beck, James Lindsay.
00:10:56.000The Nationalist OSA made a good point that this is a narrative where they go to them and say, they go to these people who are being charged like the J6ers and say, blame Trump, blame the right and do this.
00:11:04.000I think there's a really simple reason why that's the case.
00:11:09.000You are in the bluest of blue and the defense says to you, listen.
00:11:14.000You will not win because you attacked Paul Pelosi.
00:11:17.000However, the best sympathy you will get is if you claimed you were radicalized by the far right and that you, you, oh no, what have they done to me?
00:11:28.000Try and earn some sympathy in that way.
00:11:30.000The reason why they're arguing this guy in a federal case in D.C.
00:11:33.000is anti-establishment and not far left, once again, is for that exact same reason.
00:11:38.000Now, what happens is, You are getting through these high-profile cases in San Francisco, I'm seeing these people post saying, oh look, James Lindsay, Tim Pool, Glenn Beck, oh they radicalized this guy, it's a lie, it's nonsense.
00:11:51.000But it's creating that terrifying boogeyman, it's creating that bifurcation.
00:11:56.000If prosecutors in high-profile cases are going to keep playing this narrative of Donald Trump is radicalizing people to extremes, Anytime someone commits some kind of extreme act, even a BLM supporter, they're going to blame the far-right or the quote-unquote far-right.
00:12:11.000They're creating a narrative that young people who are entering the political space will believe we live in this world.
00:12:18.000So real quick, as an example, It's a really interesting point that you bring up.
00:12:22.000Can I just say, like, because I think that's such a good point and such an interesting thing to focus on, because, like, as a libertarian, one of the things that we talk about a lot is that, like, look, we don't think government should be in the business of kind of micromanaging culture and things like this.
00:12:36.000But you also recognize that you need other forces, like, you need kind of a virtuous culture in order for that to work.
00:12:43.000And I think one of the things I've been thinking this a lot like since all these uh, these insane indictments have been
00:12:48.000coming Down against donald trump when you look at like kind of the
00:12:51.000landscape of current day america You go, how could a guy like donald trump ever get a fair
00:12:57.000trial? I mean if you have a jury trial with donald trump Whoever the jury pool is it's like a 50 50 shot that they
00:13:05.000either think he is jesus or satan And how could, how could anyone who has either one of those opinions ever be an honest juror?
00:13:13.000And I think kind of the point you're making here is that like, look, in the reality today of a modern jury trial with the polarization of the country and this white hot culture war, you almost, yeah man, if you're on trial in San Francisco, It's almost like the only way to tailor your defense is to try to have it something that hugs a left-wing sympathy.
00:13:39.00033% are going to say Trump's Hitler, 33% are going to say Trump is good, and 33% are going to say, holy crap, I better side with the left, otherwise Antifa's going to show up to my house and beat me to death.
00:13:48.000But it's an interesting point, right, because people who are charged in relationship to January 6th are because of activities they engage in on January 6th are tried in Washington, D.C.
00:14:49.000Selecting the proper venue is like one of the most important things, especially today, if not the most important thing.
00:14:54.000I have a bit of a different angle on this.
00:14:55.000I think that the real concern that I have is that you have these commentators that are being categorized, like my friend Tim here, along with James Lindsay and others, that they're trying to kind of lay out the groundwork for this stochastic terrorism argument where you're being, you know, pushed into radicalism by people who are just speaking freely and then you're now in some way, what's the word, exculcated?
00:15:23.000Basically your personal responsibility is removed because you've been inspired by this radical Tim Pool or Alex Jones or whatever and it just really, because of where we're at.
00:15:36.000They've come at you before with that, what was the other, that Young Turks chick tried to like come at you about how Some shooter liked one of your videos or something like that?
00:15:45.000No, not Young Turks, I'm sorry, my mistake, it was George M. Cedars.
00:15:48.000So that was the guy in Texas who on his Facebook had posted four screenshots of one episode and one specific portion of one episode and it actually showed he wasn't a subscriber.
00:15:59.000Which is such a crazy thing because when you have a show like, look, like you have a show like with this size audience, but you've built up a very big platform here.
00:16:08.000The idea that any one person who one time liked one clip on this, you're now on the hook.
00:16:15.000It's literally, it's almost on the level of like, well, this mass shooter watched Friends.
00:16:20.000I mean, I think obviously Ross and Rachel are the reason why he shot up there, but the other thing about it that's crazy is that Phoebe was the one that radicalized me.
00:17:45.000I'd say, well, it depends on what the biological weapon is, how it's... I mean, uh... I... It depends on exactly what your definition of that is.
00:18:11.000So right now to this day it's not even controversial to say except in these podcasts liberals get shocked that I would say this and I'm like do you think Raytheon is a government operation?
00:18:20.000Yes, no look so in that case you're absolutely right there could be an argument made that if you were if you were Possessing chemical weapons and were keeping them like in a in a very risky way that could hurt a lot of other people Then you should be maybe liable for the fact that you're putting other people people at risk. But in theory, in theory, I would tend to
00:19:14.000So you could you could think maybe there's a don't try to out anarchist me.
00:19:18.000I will say, let me just I'll just say real quick, I do agree with the sentiment.
00:19:24.000Obviously, I don't want the government regulating any weaponry that I can own.
00:19:27.000However, I go the opposite direction where I say humanity ought to be working towards nuclear disarmament, broadly speaking, so I'm not interested in having civilians have them.
00:19:35.000I'm more interested in getting the federal government to have far less.
00:19:38.000The goal should be to disarm federal governments.
00:19:42.000Yes, I think every person on the planet should have a nuke, perhaps a MIRV with, you know, a 12 warhead MIRV, and because a nuclear-armed individual, an individually nuclear-armed society is a very polite society.
00:20:08.000We were talking about the courts and how the courts have basically turned into, if you're in a conservative district, you know what?
00:20:14.000A leftist is going to get a fair trial.
00:20:15.000Not as fair as, like, it's hard to say fair-fair.
00:20:19.000A leftist in a conservative district is going to get a decent trial.
00:20:24.000A conservative in a leftist trial is going to get tarred, feathered, strung up for jaywalking or farting.
00:20:30.000Donald Trump could fart in public and they're going to get him on some nonsense and lock him up.
00:20:35.000The truth is that leftist dogma is so much a prerequisite for all of academia at this point.
00:20:42.000If you have to rely on any institution for your freedom, you're in a lot of trouble at this point.
00:20:49.000In academia, obviously, now in the judiciary as well.
00:20:53.000It's not getting any better, either, because they have had a hundred years of infiltration into these, you know, mind-creation institutions.
00:21:03.000Well, I think, like, the only caveat, and I agree with what you're saying, Tim, I think there is a point there that it's not equal, kind of, on both sides.
00:21:11.000But I guess part of the difference there, too, is that, look, there is, let's say, in right-wing or red America, I think there is a tremendous amount, and I would argue justifiably, but a tremendous amount of resentment towards, say, the political establishment, particularly the Democratic Party establishment.
00:21:30.000So the thing is, I don't know that in this moment of this hot culture war, I don't know that Hillary Clinton could get a fair trial in Rural Alabama, but the thing is that Hillary Clinton is
00:21:43.000never gonna face charges in rural Alabama, right?
00:21:46.000Like the federal government or different state governments or different like if there were some like
00:21:51.000Conservative financier who's financing, you know conservative prosecutors doesn't it's never
00:21:58.000And Hillary Clinton isn't going to ever be put in that situation, whereas Donald Trump will be on trial in New York City, in Washington D.C.
00:22:07.000And so that is a part of the asymmetry also, is that the entire ruling base of the establishment is on one side of this culture war.
00:22:39.000Roseanne has a standing bet with Michael Malice, two of them.
00:22:42.000One is that there will not be an election, so we're looking forward to that, and that there will be military tribunals by the end of the year, which I don't know if you're talking about this year or what, but, you know, we'll see.
00:22:54.000But, you know, to be honest, she made a good point, though, because I asked her to clarify on this.
00:22:57.000I said, are you saying we all just skip election day, the TV says no elections, or are you saying that something changes the election fundamentally to the point where it's a sham like North Korea's elections?
00:23:07.000Well, if that's the case, we didn't have an election in 2020. 2016!
00:23:11.000I'll say, and I say this disclaimer, I love Roseanne, I consider her like a comedy icon, and every time I've met her, I'm giddy in the room that I'm even in her presence, and she's just hilarious and so great.
00:23:27.000Perhaps a little bit more of a serious voice on this topic is Colonel Douglas McGregor, who also said he is, I don't know exactly what he said, but he basically said that he is very concerned that there will not be a democratic election in 2024.
00:23:42.000Now I'd like to hope he's wrong about that.
00:23:58.000Or does it mean it's going to be Donald Trump removed from the ballot and then 75 million people feel like they're not allowed to vote at all because of this?
00:24:13.000Colonel Douglas MacGregor, that is, who's been right about a lot of stuff over the last 20 years.
00:24:18.000And I think he was basically saying that some type of emergency is going to be declared.
00:24:23.000And that that is going to, it's going to be used as an excuse to like postpone indefinitely the next election.
00:24:31.000Now again, I'm not claiming this is going to happen, but I will say that if that sounds crazy to you, just take a step back, look at the last three and a half years in America, and go look, a lot of things sound crazy.
00:24:42.000The idea of lockdowns would have sounded really crazy in 2019, and you know, that happened.
00:24:48.000If you talk to yourself from 2014, you're like, all right, so here's what's going to happen.
00:24:51.000Donald Trump's going to be elected president, and then the deep state's going to try to unseat Donald Trump when he's the president of the United States, because he's trying to dismantle the industrial military complex and get us out of all of these foreign wars.
00:25:01.000And then what's going to happen is there's going to be a virus that was created through research funded by the United States that'll be released, and everyone's going to be locked in their homes, and the economy's going to crash, and we're going to have rampant inflation, and then people are going to be debating whether the election was still—you'd be like, what are you talking about?
00:25:14.000But also the FBI and the CIA— We'll be working against Donald Trump the entire time.
00:25:18.000They'll be lying to him about troop counts in Syria.
00:25:20.000We'll have a bunch of different fronts for World War III.
00:25:23.000Yeah, this is all going to happen in the next five years.
00:26:40.000In response to this, McGregor went dark.
00:26:42.000Beginning by noting that, first of all, I think it's brilliant, and I think that if we're living in a linear world, in other words, when one event follows the next logically, you're absolutely right, but I don't think we'll ever get to the 2024 election.
00:26:55.000I think things are going to implode in Washington before then.
00:27:02.000I don't know that I disagree, and one of the reasons is, which we'll get into a little bit later, is TikTok pushing the Osama bin Laden letter to America, and having a bunch of Gen Z leftists claim that Osama was incorrect.
00:27:14.000Again, we'll talk about that in a moment, but I'm just saying the political divide in this country is so psychotic right now, to the point where Like we already mentioned, if you're being criminally charged in a liberal district, your best bet is to say Trump made you do it.
00:27:36.000Listen dude, I'll say still to this day, and you Tim, you've done some incredible things in your career, but if I had to pick still to this day what I'd say I think your greatest moment was, was still Jack Dorsey, Rogan, with the Rogan.
00:27:50.000Because it was just such an incredible thing.
00:27:52.000Everything lined up where, like, first, if you remember, Jack Dorsey went on Rogan, and they didn't have a very confrontational argument.
00:27:59.000And it's literally, to this day, the only Joe Rogan experience episode where I ever saw, like, Joe's audience really upset with him.
00:28:07.000And as great, and this is a credit to Joe, you know, full disclosure, he's a friend of mine, but a credit to him is he was like, okay, I hear you.
00:28:14.000Let's run that back with someone who's critical of them.
00:28:17.000But you had the point to them, and people could accuse you of being hyperbolic, people could accuse me of kind of the same thing, but you had that moment to them where you were like, and I don't remember your exact words, but you were like, you guys don't realize what you're playing with here.
00:28:31.000Like, you don't realize the game you're playing.
00:28:33.000And you're like, I'm getting a van and, like, gonna be bringing my- and, like, I'm, like, really concerned about, like, you provoking a civil war in this country.
00:28:42.000And, okay, it's not like we've had a civil war exactly since then, but look, we are- we know we're all flirting with it.
00:28:48.000This is a real thing that- When people make these kind of dire warnings, I understand it's easy to go, oh, that's kind of crazy.
00:29:13.000Go back to that year and tell people If I went back, and everything I said was vague, predictive, like, this country is headed towards civil war, I'm getting in a van, I'm building a van with solar power, getting ready to bug the F out, and they're laughing, like, haha, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
00:29:31.000Now go back and say, since then, for the first time ever, a sitting president has been indicted in multiple jurisdictions.
00:29:58.000Well, I mean, and even the riots of 2020.
00:30:01.000I mean, the fact that we had the longest sustained riots causing billions of dollars of property destruction that same year.
00:30:08.000So this is the important thing to understand is, you know, going back to something like that debate, what we're seeing with Twitter, we're seeing The hyper-polarization of Twitter, the rules they were creating, the narratives they were swinging, and the bifurcation in American culture, and that's the point I was making, like, you guys keep doing this.
00:30:29.000You are creating two distinct universes, and what I could see at the time and what I can see now is like a blur.
00:30:37.000It's like, if anybody wears glasses, you know exactly what I mean.
00:30:40.000Your glasses are off, and you see a strange shape in front of you, and you can't exactly define it, but you're like, there is a person walking towards me right now.
00:30:46.000You put your glasses on, you can see it clearly.
00:30:47.000If I had glasses, I could see the future.
00:30:49.000But I'm saying, what we're witnessing right now, as Phil Labonte says, what's the off-ramp?
00:30:55.000If we're now seeing, in these January 6th cases, Confess and say Donald Trump made you do it, or you're done.
00:31:03.000We're seeing Enrique Tarrio getting 20 years.
00:31:18.000I can't even begin to stress how we've normalized this.
00:31:22.000Go back then and say, what if I said to Jack Dorsey, Vijay Gowdy, very specifically, Within the next year or year and a half, there will be far-left extremists who occupy city centers with rifles and kill people who oppose them.
00:31:36.000They'd say, you're nuts that it happened.
00:31:39.000And now we're just like, oh, that happened.
00:31:40.000Are we not even shocked that it's going on?
00:31:43.000And so the point that I'm trying to make here is that Okay, like imagine, I don't know what the analogy exactly would be, but so imagine you go, you know, you were in a business and you were talking to the other like stockholders and you go, I think this business is in real trouble.
00:31:58.000I think we're going to be out of business next year.
00:32:00.000And then next year, you're not out of business, but your stock is down 90%.
00:32:09.000So I'm not saying, yeah, technically speaking, maybe you weren't out of, maybe it wasn't a civil war, maybe we weren't out of business, but still at least grant that there was like a lot accurate to this prediction.
00:32:20.000And that's my point about, by the way, just tying this back to the not being elections.
00:32:25.000Maybe Colonel Douglas McGregor is not word for word right about this, but there still might be, much like with your prediction, like some real insight into that.
00:32:38.000October 2024, a single state, Secretary of State decides Donald Trump is ineligible based on the 14th Amendment, as they've interpreted it, and so they remove his name from the ballots.
00:32:51.000And we're three weeks out, or whatever, from the election, so early voting's happening.
00:32:55.000Immediately, you get the Trump team, all the conservatives, everyone filing emergency notices saying, we need an injunction on this immediately.
00:33:03.000And then the state says, okay, we'll see you in court.
00:33:29.000I shouldn't say that because I can't actually guarantee you, but I would tell you this right now.
00:33:34.000I would bet a substantial amount of money that in 2024, we will see similar voting machine errors on par with a misprint that results in jurisdictions failing.
00:33:44.000Listen, if we hear about 100 jurisdictions And it totals maybe a single percentage point that this happened.
00:33:53.000No one will accept it, no matter which side it ends up being.
00:33:56.000If it happens to Trump, if it happens to anybody else, I knew some, I don't think it's anybody else.
00:34:00.000The truth is that government is a faith-based system.
00:34:05.000And that's that's especially true for democracy.
00:34:08.000The whole thing is kind of reliant on this.
00:34:13.000Well, it's all like you believe in it.
00:34:15.000We believe in look, the government is a religion in in every sense of the word, right?
00:34:20.000It has its kind of like Sacraments, and its rituals, and its nobilities, and its sacred cows, it has its blasphemy, the things you're not allowed to say, right?
00:34:33.000It has all of this, and also, you know, much like religion, and I say this as someone who believes in God, so don't take this the wrong way, but it is, so picture this like the religion you don't believe in, not the religion you do believe in, okay?
00:34:46.000So if you're religious, every other religion, not your one.
00:35:03.000There's buildings, and there's men with guns, who will enforce the politicians' wills, and there's titles that we made up, you know, Senator, Governor, President.
00:35:14.000But none of that is objective reality.
00:36:05.000You're allowed to think other people are wrong.
00:36:06.000The point is, we have now had two elections where both sides have accused each other of very dramatic, serious treason.
00:36:13.000Yes, and the point is that it's almost like if you believe it, then you're right.
00:36:16.000Because the point I'm making about saying it's like a religion, and again, I really, just to be clear, I'm not trying to knock the idea of religion.
00:36:22.000I'm saying like, some of the things that I think are the most beautiful ideas and institutions in the world, I think marriage is amongst the most beautiful institutions in the world.
00:36:31.000But in a marriage, if either the husband or the wife doesn't believe in it anymore, then they're right.
00:37:07.000Well, it's a different situation, but my point is that you don't believe in the concept of sacramental marriage or that you're actually bound in a way where you can't leave.
00:37:15.000I'm saying you can believe that you're bound in that way, and I do believe that.
00:37:19.000Yes, I believe that I've made a commitment to my wife that I said in front of our families and in front of God and that I will, till death do us part.
00:37:33.000It requires the belief in that, otherwise it's over.
00:37:36.000And so in a sense, even though it is completely ridiculous for the left half of America to say that Vladimir Putin overthrew the government in 2016 when he installed Trump, them believing that in itself changes the whole dynamics of politics.
00:38:22.000My point is simply to say that I agree with some of what you're saying, and I think ultimately we would just disagree on, like, the moral questions of how you're sort of formulating the analogy.
00:38:30.000The way I understand it is, I believe, obviously, in the trueness of my faith, I also believe there are such things as false religions.
00:38:37.000I think anytime you have a false idol, you have a false religion, and government has become an idol for many people.
00:39:05.000So I totally agree that there are parallels here with false religions.
00:39:10.000Rothbard actually talked about this in Anatomy of the State, that once faith in the state declines, they would replace it with a technocracy or a scientism.
00:39:21.000But I want to go back to a point from a minute ago when you were talking about sitting down with Jack Dorsey on Rogan.
00:39:28.000The whole reason that, first off, you didn't know at the time, but thanks to Elon Musk's acquisition and the Twitter leaks, we now know that much of those policies in the terms of service modification as well as the moderation policy shifts were being dictated by a multitude of three-letter agencies.
00:39:44.000Now let's back up a little bit further.
00:39:45.000The whole reason that they felt genuinely righteous in modifying these things, even if you discount the FBI interference and everything else, was because they felt Genuinely, that Donald Trump had had the election stolen because of Russian interference.
00:40:01.000That was also the state that had planted those seeds.
00:40:05.000Hillary Clinton, the Steele dossier, all a lie.
00:40:07.000So you have this entire censorship apparatus that is being rolled out and you have useful idiots that are actually propagating it based off of deception that is all a CIA plan from the get-go.
00:40:20.000They genuinely believe Trump stole the election.
00:40:23.000He's a Putin asset, so he must be stopped.
00:40:25.000But that narrative itself was created by them, and this is why I have long described Twitter as Jack Dorsey hooking his own sewer system into his own mouth.
00:40:34.000Dorsey created Twitter with a team, and everybody's sharing ideas.
00:40:40.000Crackpot Psychotic Refuse is splattered all over the place on Twitter and Jack Dorsey decides, I'm going to take that funnel and shove it down my throat and starts consuming it.
00:41:09.000They're simply saying they agree with it because they're seeing other people say it.
00:41:13.000Jack Dorsey saw the same trends, decided to abide by them without knowing what he was talking about, and that's what the left is, and he built rules around it which helped propagate the very cult. All right, before we get into the Osama bin
00:41:25.000Laden letter, just one thing on that, like, and I don't completely disagree with you, but there
00:41:30.000is kind of like another element into this, which is that, look, if you look at the state of
00:41:35.000social media from pre-2016, it was just a different world.
00:41:42.000And I'm not saying that nobody ever got, like, banned or kicked off.
00:41:46.000There were very rare instances where people would go really, really far.
00:41:50.000Like, where people would actually be, like, advocating, like, you know, Nazism and stuff like that, where they would get banned.
00:42:27.000They don't want to kick you off of their site.
00:42:30.000So let me give you the quick, finish your thoughts so I can.
00:42:32.000Well, so my point is that The rise of Donald Trump, who really tweeted his way to the presidency, and tweeted his way to the presidency when the entire establishment said this guy is not allowed to win, and ended up winning, and used Twitter to drive the entire news cycle, through the entire election.
00:42:52.000Once he won, All of the powerful people in government and the media class, they couldn't simply accept that, oh, he had a message that resonated with the people, even though we told you there was no way this message would resonate with the people.
00:43:06.000And we couldn't accept that Hillary Clinton turns out to just be a horrifically corrupt, unlikable, awful human being.
00:43:13.000I'm just saying this actually happened.
00:43:15.000That they hauled all of the heads of the big tech companies in front of Congress, and explicitly in front of everybody, threatened them with violence.
00:43:26.000They threatened them with, we will regulate your company.
00:45:03.000You were just, and you were walking into the building, you just didn't see the bowels deep beneath.
00:45:08.000So I don't deny that, and I think there is part of this that just was an organic force of, like, how can we get more clicks and more clicks and more clicks?
00:45:16.000But I am saying that, like, there was a government intervention And obviously we know from all of like the Twitter files and all of that stuff now that there was massive like government intervention that certainly put their thumb on this scale and said, and particularly, I'm not just saying about the clickbait stuff.
00:45:32.000I'm more talking about like the tech censorship stuff where they really did crack down on these companies and insist that you like censor dissenting voices.
00:45:41.000And oftentimes, let me just say, and oftentimes it was dissenting voices who were getting tons of clicks.
00:45:46.000And what you need to understand is, The people working for the Intel agencies are not like, it's a 30-year-old guy in 2005 who's now a 40-year-old guy in 2015 who went, whoa, we better censor this.
00:45:57.000It is, in 2015, them hiring a new 30-year-old who's been indoctrinated for 10 years by the refuse machine.
00:46:08.000Gets on the internet, gets on Facebook for the first time in 2010, and what does he see on Facebook?
00:46:12.000Literally nothing but police brutality videos.
00:46:16.000Police brutality was so ubiquitous on Facebook that there was a website dedicated to nothing but police brutality videos in the top 500 global websites, making millions of dollars.
00:46:27.000You're 10 years old, you get on Facebook, and it's all you see.
00:46:30.000For the next four or five years in your formative years, the only thing you see, guess what?
00:46:59.000It's a young millennial marketing person who has just brought on and has risen in the ranks and is now trying to push their crackpot garbage into the machine.
00:47:41.000I had the privilege of speaking to Dr. George Barn on my podcast, and he's done research on what tends to form the beliefs of the youth in America.
00:47:48.000And what he found is that, like, without a close second, media is basically what shapes their opinions.
00:47:54.000When you look at schools, you look at parents, you look at churches.
00:47:57.000It's far, far above all of those things is media, what they're consuming on television, basically, or on Let me quote this story from the Daily Mail.
00:48:21.000In this image, can you switch over, Serge?
00:48:23.000It says, TikTokers are now justifying, this is from Libswith TikTok, the 9-11 attacks and praising Bin Laden because he was just the resistance.
00:48:31.000This man, in one of his videos, it says, 2011, me finding out we got him, and he's cheering.
00:48:43.000TikTok is doing what we have seen social media companies do quite a bit of.
00:48:48.000They are creating a trend, And these people have not actually read Bin Laden's letter, not even a single word of it, and I know for a fact, I think, any sane person can see that.
00:48:59.000What they're doing is instead, oh, this guy got a million views by saying that?
00:49:03.000Let me make the same video and get a million views.
00:49:08.000There's no way woke leftists read a letter saying ban homosexuality and then said he was right.
00:49:14.000So you're telling me that you don't believe in woke leftists' ability to contradict themselves?
00:49:19.000No, I'm saying that some of these posts that are prominent come from Muslim activists who are saying, look, he was right.
00:49:28.000Do you see the video where it was Billboard Chris, and the Antifa guy goes up to two Muslim women and says he's trying to stop kids from being trans, and they're like, we agree.
00:49:38.000What happens then is, Because people are getting millions of views, these other young people are like, I want to get millions of views, and just make a fake video claiming they read the letter when they did not.
00:49:59.000No, I mean, I've seen it over and over again.
00:50:01.000Where the woke leftists can literally sit here and say, there's no such thing as gender.
00:50:08.000And also, I knew I was in the wrong gender from the moment I was born, because it's in my brain, and you're like, these are the complete contradictory ideas.
00:50:15.000We had Lance from the Serfs on the show, who said, you can get abortion whenever you want.
00:50:37.000Well look, the issue here always is, and I've been struggling with this myself over the last, say, month or whatever, is that I think when there is a reasonable point to be made And then it's put into the hands of left-wingers to make that reasonable point.
00:50:56.000They will make it in the worst way possible.
00:50:59.000So I think that what's going on, obviously this has to do with the context of what's happening with Israel and Gaza right now, right?
00:51:06.000That's a part of the reason why this is going so bad.
00:51:09.00016-year-olds chanting from the river to the sea?
00:51:11.000is why they're saying Bin Laden was right.
00:51:13.000They don't know anything about what they're talking about.
00:51:15.000Listen, I'm not defending left-wing 16-year-olds.
00:51:18.000They're gonna say a lot of stupid things.
00:51:51.000I think the people in the intelligence agencies, even the ones who are removing or trying to remove Donald Trump, are much more on board with Israel than against Israel.
00:51:59.000But I would say this, look, I think the kernel of truth here and what a lot of these guys
00:52:06.000just are trying to get at but do a horrible job of getting at it is that, look, in bin
00:52:14.000Laden's letter to America, obviously he's an Islamist and he's saying all types of crazy
00:52:19.000things that a lot of us don't agree with.
00:53:49.000Look, okay, again, there's no question, he's a radical Islamist, and that's all throughout the letter, you can see that there.
00:53:56.000But I think that the issue is that, so these left-wingers take it in this direction that's like, well, he was right!
00:54:01.000And you're like, no, of course that's not the conclusion.
00:54:04.000The conclusion is he was an insane madman who's obviously like an, he's obviously an evil figure, there's no getting around that.
00:54:13.000The point is that obviously within this Islamist rhetoric there are also these grievances of, and look, that you have attacked us, that you have bases in our holy land, that you prop up brutal dictators in our region, that you support the Israelis who have ethnically cleansed the Palestinians, and then of course the sanctions campaign against the Iraqis and all the kids who died.
00:54:37.000And let me read his wishes. His wishes are that they would be under sharia law and Muslim
00:54:43.000control. But it's still here's the thing, right? When it since from 9-11 and the years
00:54:49.000that these have slowed down a little bit, but for at least 15 years afterward, the FBI did all of
00:54:54.000these, you know, sting operations with a we're not really entrapment operations where they claim
00:55:00.000we foiled another terrorist plot. But then you find out that they created the whole thing.
00:55:04.000Every time they did it, every time they did it, go look at how they recruited the person.
00:55:09.000Listen, they never read them the Quran.
00:55:11.000They always said, how do you feel about US foreign policy in the Muslim world?
00:55:16.000The point shouldn't be that Osama bin Laden's a good guy.
00:55:19.000The point should be that this is why he was able to recruit people.
00:55:56.000So if you're really saying you're mad that he was shot, what you're actually saying is your intention is to be able to freely and willfully rob and attack cops.
00:56:56.000I'm not going to read the whole thing on the show because it's long, but he says, In the first section, under your supervision, consent, and orders, the governments of our countries, which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis.
00:57:06.000One, these governments prevent our people from establishing Islamic Sharia, using violence and lies to do so.
00:57:13.000Three, so when you ask him what does it mean to be attacked on a daily basis, he is not saying, I can't believe that you're shooting at us.
00:57:21.000He goes on to say, the whole second half, number two, Tim, what he's clarifying there is that you're toppling the leadership that they want.
00:57:36.000These leftists, it all comes down to, Have not actually read the letter, do not actually understand what his goals were.
00:57:42.000I agree with you that they didn't read it, but that doesn't change the fact that he has some legitimate grievances.
00:57:46.000Well, let's say they're all wrong, right?
00:57:47.000And obviously any leftist who's going to say, realizing Osama Bin Laden was right about everything is like beyond stupid and just, it's insane.
00:58:08.000But I think the point is what should like like not the leftist interpretation of this but say like the the Ron Paul interpretation of this which I think he was completely right about and the Pat Buchanan like I'm talking about the most right-wing and the most libertarian not left-wingers at all and the point that they would make is that it's like look there's a the Pat Buchanan quote that I love which I think nails it always right is he says Terrorism is the price of empire, and if you don't wish to pay the cost, you must abandon the empire.
00:58:38.000And I think what you're dealing with here is that, listen, these are a group of people who have a different way of life than us and a different belief system than us.
00:58:47.000And I'm not defending that way of life or that belief system, but when you go over there and you impose your own brutal dictators on them, you slaughter their innocent civilians, But I'm saying, that's what I think should be gained from this letter by Bin Laden.
00:59:26.000But, for these leftists to do two things, one, claim Bin Laden was right, and actually be activists who are pro-Palestine who read it, well they're lying and they're manipulating, and they're trying to obfuscate what his actual goals were, and two, the other leftists who are claiming they read it and they thought he was right, they did not read it.
01:01:19.000should be going to foreign countries and doing these things, but the argument from the left is essentially Let us do horrifying things to people.
01:01:29.000Slave trade, child marriage, all these awful things.
01:01:39.000I mean, that should be the conclusion of all this.
01:01:42.000But my point comes down to leftists on TikTok claiming he was right when his message is he wants Sharia law.
01:01:52.000Okay, so the leftists are wrong for claiming that, he's wrong for wanting Sharia law, but I just think, so let's, again, those people are wrong, but let's just talk about what's right for a minute.
01:02:01.000And I'll say this, this is a point that I tried to make in the debate I did last night with Laura Loomer for Zero Hedge, but she was basically just like condemning Islam the whole time, and talking about, and I was trying to just have this Moment of being like, well look, let's just try to be really fair here, okay?
01:02:18.000So let's try to think this through, and I'm not, obviously Bin Laden's a bad guy, but...
01:02:30.000Like, in terms of what we would support, what our government did, what the response to it was, that we look back at this now and we go, wait, so we got essentially missiled, bombed with two planes at the World Trade Center, and we We created the Department of Homeland Security, and the Patriot Act, and the TSA, and the war in Afghanistan, and the war in Iraq, which we almost all universally look back on and go, whoa, that was wrong.
01:02:58.000John McCain, in his memoir, wrote that the war in Iraq was a mistake.
01:03:02.000So almost everybody, like, acknowledges, like, we went a little bit crazy after 9-11 and did a whole bunch of bad things.
01:03:09.000A lot of innocent people died over that.
01:03:12.000Now try to imagine, and I want you to really try to imagine this, That 1,000 9-11's happened to us.
01:03:21.000And what that would look like, how crazy we would go, that's the reality in the Muslim world.
01:03:28.000Now, I'm not saying this justifies any of this, and if your takeaway of this is that Osama bin Laden is a good guy, you might be an idiot 16-year-old leftist.
01:03:37.000But I'm just saying that before we sit here and condemn them for how awful, and I think this is the point that Glenn Greenwald is trying to get at here, is that it's like, look, what he's talking about in this letter is describing a thousand 9-11s.
01:03:51.000And if you actually do the numbers in terms of dead, it's probably more than that.
01:03:57.000And so if we're going to sit here and our reaction to that is going to be like, but you're a radical Islamist and all of this is crazy that you want Sharia law.
01:04:57.000Okay, we might meet in the middle there.
01:04:59.000But do you think, let me ask you this, Tim.
01:05:01.000Do you think And I mean this in real human terms, like trying to put yourself in the position of these people.
01:05:08.000Do you think Osama Bin Laden was able to recruit people to be willing to suicide bomb themselves to death because, like, do you think a pretty major factor of that was that maybe they had seen someone who they loved, you know what I mean, get killed?
01:05:28.000Well, I kind of think if you have, I don't know, the first jihad, which is, what was it, went on for a thousand plus years and they went from the Middle East all throughout Europe on to Spain.
01:05:39.000I don't, I don't know, was that caused by a thousand 9-11s?
01:05:43.000Was it like, oh, I think the Crusades were only a small handful.
01:05:46.000I think going that far back in history kind of obfuscates, like, I have to make this point because in the letter itself he says, 3,000 of your people die and all hell breaks loose.
01:05:58.0001.5 million of our people die and you won't even blink an eye.
01:06:02.000The point that he's making, setting aside all of the Islamist bullshit, all of the leftist argumentation, is that we don't treat them as if they're real people.
01:06:15.000And until we're willing to accept that reality and actually look in the mirror, if I was born In Gaza, in 2006, I would be of fighting age today and I would have never had any sovereignty whatsoever.
01:08:25.000So the King Graham Commission was after World War I. At the end of World War I, I think it started at the Paris Peace Conference, and they were trying to get the British and the French on board, but they kind of pulled out of it, so the Americans just did it without them.
01:08:38.000But they sent a commission into the Muslim world, because the Ottoman Empire had collapsed, and now there were all these territories that used to be ruled by the Ottoman Empire, and they were kind of going on like a fact-finding mission.
01:08:48.000Like they went there to just kind of like survey and interview a lot of people and figure out what we're gonna do with this part of the world.
01:08:54.000And there's a few really interesting things that they found.
01:08:58.000Number one, Syria overwhelmingly voted, and Syria back then was much bigger than Syria today, but so it's like the land Syria is, and then I think a bigger area than that.
01:09:09.000Overwhelmingly, they said, who would you like to rule you under a League of Nations mandate?
01:09:15.000And overwhelmingly, Syria voted for the United States of America.
01:09:19.000So, this narrative that they hate us because we're free is really not very true.
01:09:26.000In fact, when we were viewed as the ones who weren't the imperialist force, remember this is World War I, okay?
01:09:34.000They were like, America, the city on the hill that's all about freedom and doesn't intervene in our part of the world?
01:09:40.000Like, they had nothing but a positive feeling about those guys.
01:09:43.000And likewise, early on, if you read the early Zionist writers, they were not, like, they didn't consider the Arabs to be an enemy.
01:09:51.000So my point is just that actually, a lot of, I'm not saying every, the problem with when you go back to, say, like, the 7th century, or you go back hundreds and hundreds of years and go, look, they were being barbaric then, the truth is that everyone was being barbaric then.
01:10:05.000If we look at more recent and more relevant history, you realize that actually, a lot of this, the Syrians, had no problem with America, they hated the British and the
01:10:52.000The first one is 50-50 between the prevention of Sharia law and allowing of homosexuality along with foreign policy from the United States.
01:12:15.000But it's not a lie as much as you're saying he left out part of it.
01:12:18.000He mentioned three things and omitted... He explicitly states in his tweet That his three main grievances are... So he claims those are the main grievances.
01:12:34.000So when people say, they hate us for our freedoms, I think it's stupid and oversimplified.
01:12:38.000You could say, well look... And you're saying this is stupid and oversimplified.
01:12:41.000When we engage in foreign wars which destroy the way of life of people who don't want to live the way we do, we're making enemies.
01:12:48.000And what they want is for us to convert to their way of life.
01:12:52.000If the United States foreign policy acted in ways that resulted in the benefit of Islam, bin Laden would have been happy and he would have wrote that.
01:13:50.000This is section 2A of the second half of his letter.
01:13:52.000We call you to be people of manners, principles, honor, and purity to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling, and trading with interest.
01:14:00.000To say his main grievances are specifically U.S.
01:15:28.000And I think that's a very, very bad thing.
01:15:30.000And they went crazy and completely lost their mind and wrote some manifesto, and half of the manifesto was like just the rantings of a madman, and half of it was like, and you came down here and you beat me with a wire every single day, and that's why I'm gonna try to kill you, and then that guy came and killed you.
01:15:47.000I'd go, well, yeah, I mean, look at the manifesto.
01:15:50.000He came and killed you because you were torturing him every day.
01:15:53.000Whereas someone else could look at that and go, no, these are the rantings of a madman.
01:15:57.000I get it, but I don't think the analogy is one-for-one.
01:16:26.000And they're running for office, and they're in office, and they're chanting these things in the streets, they're in New York celebrating Hamas killing people.
01:16:33.000I get your point on that, I'm just saying that also, I mean, Glenn Greenwald has like been serving them a heavy dose of reality through all of this.
01:16:44.000But I'm also saying that I don't technically think he said anything wrong.
01:16:48.000If you want to say he omitted the fact that Osama Bin Laden is also a radical Islamist, I would just be charitable and say like, I think that's a given for sane people.
01:16:57.000It's not a given for these people that you're pulling on.
01:19:15.000The points that Glenn Greenwald made have not even come up after the 15th paragraph.
01:19:20.000You're saying that the Iraq blockade didn't come up until much later.
01:19:24.000I'm saying that for Glenn, To make these points, that these are the main grievances, is Glenn choosing subjects that benefit his ideology, and it's manipulative, and I am sick of ideologues who do this.
01:19:35.000I don't care if you're the left, right, libertarian, up, down, whatever.
01:19:38.000I don't care if you're Christian, Muslim, whatever.
01:19:39.000If you're gonna lie to me to steal power, I'm gonna call you out for it.
01:19:42.000Well, I don't think Glenn Greenwald is trying to steal any power.
01:19:45.000He's trying to impose his ideological values by obfuscating what's actually being said.
01:19:51.000When he reads this, he takes away certain, you know, notes that he thinks that that's the summation.
01:19:55.000Can we say, screw Glenn Greenwald and let's talk about the substance of this letter for a little bit?
01:20:00.000And my point is, just using him as a singular example, the left is arguing that bin Laden is right because the first 15 paragraphs are almost entirely about Palestine.
01:20:10.000And the context is, Israel and Palestine are currently in the hottest conflict we've seen in our lifetimes.
01:20:17.000And so they are deciding to claim all of his stuff about Sharia and Islam is also correct in its entirety.
01:20:23.000Well, look, I mean, look, again, I think you can say this, and I know there's a tendency for people to kind of caricature what, characterize what you say, but Why is it that this is there's fertile ground for even this type of craziness to take off right now and it is because well look there's this war in Gaza going on right now which is pretty horrific and a lot of like innocent people are dying in that war and so even when you have this letter that's talking all about how those people over there hate you in large part because of what your government has propped up Israel to be able to do in Gaza
01:20:59.000This is probably, at least partially, why there's fertile ground for this narrative to catch fire right now.
01:21:06.000That doesn't mean it's completely right.
01:22:18.000Here's why I think you're wrong in a sense, because the leftists will be so hypocritical that almost every situation they look at, they have to look at it through who is the oppressor versus who is the oppressed, and whoever is the the more white European looking ones is always the more
01:23:36.000They're beyond the pale at that point.
01:23:37.000Yes, because he says, you guys have aggressed so consistently, and you don't listen to reason, you don't listen to rational discussion, you don't want to have any negotiations, you don't want to be civil at all.
01:24:15.000You know, this is something that I kind of like came across in the debate I was doing last night.
01:24:19.000And there's part of this thing where, look, we are unquestionably Say the United States of America and Israel compared to the Muslim world in which we've fought a lot of wars over the last couple decades.
01:24:36.000We are undeniably much more advanced, much more sophisticated, much more systematized, and they are much more primitive than us.
01:24:46.000And so it's very easy for people to go like, you know, what people who are on, say, like the pro-Israeli side of the argument, if you go, well, look, I mean, Hamas killed all these people.
01:25:22.000This is kind of like, look, this is bad policy.
01:25:25.000Or even good policy that happens to have these negative, you know, results.
01:25:32.000But, if those are your kids, and your sisters, and your mothers, and your wives, who are dying as a result of that policy, it is very easy to say, that is every bit as barbaric, that is every bit as evil, as whatever, you know what I mean, could be done in return.
01:25:50.000It's even more brutal because you're coming from a very poor place.
01:26:36.000Please, religious man, back me up here!
01:26:42.000I can't speak to the specific history of the Israel-Palestine conflict because I don't know much about it, but what I will say is you can acknowledge that Islam has a unique problem of violence while also looking at the United States, seeing our own history, recognizing that, for example, in 2001, When New York was attacked, we felt that was an attack on our whole country and rightly so.
01:27:04.000I have friends born and raised in Georgia who fought up, who enlisted to fight in a war in the Middle East because people who they'd never met in their entire lives and probably never would were killed in a different state.
01:27:17.000And So, it's reasonable to say that even if I don't agree with their cause, for them, as people, to have their neighbors or family members killed in these conflicts, and then have that result in them wanting to take up arms against the West, while it's not something I'm saying I agree with Osama bin Laden, it is to say that that's predictable.
01:27:43.000Look, all of the wisest people who predicted everything that's gone wrong over the last 30 years in America, I mean like all of the best people, like the Pat Buchanans and the Ron Pauls and like all of the guys who stood up and were right about all of this stuff, they always said, like again to mention that Pat Buchanan quote, that terrorism is the price of empire.
01:28:06.000And if you want, and this is all of it, this isn't an Islamic, like, problem.
01:28:10.000Look at the Irish, when the British were dominating them.
01:28:13.000He literally pointed at my alcohol, by the way, when he's like, look at the Irish!
01:28:21.000But right, okay, this is true all around the world.
01:28:23.000Terrorism is almost always the tool of the dominated.
01:28:29.000Like, this is what they have left in their arsenal.
01:28:32.000And I'm not saying that they might have some goofy beliefs that also go along with that, because when people get desperate, they tend to cling to whoever the most radical person around trying to recruit them is.
01:29:09.000Targeting civilians intentionally for the purpose of gaining leverage over your enemy, terrorizing the people in the country to win political power.
01:29:16.000They want to inflict as much damage as possible on civilians because they know that the reaction will be catastrophic and because of that the rest of the Arab world and the Muslim world may rally to the defense.
01:29:27.000That is exactly what terrorism is designed to do.
01:29:32.000Max Blumenthal said that Hamas targeted the music festival as a target of opportunity, knowing they could use civilians as leverage against the Israeli government.
01:29:40.000And I think the general assessment is Hamas wanted to disrupt the Abraham Accords, and they wanted to force, like the United States, what did they do?
01:29:47.000Biden promises $100 million to the Strip and the West Bank, of which a lot of that will flow into the hands of Hamas.
01:29:52.000Yeah, but look, I mean, again, and this is, just to be clear here, if you ever say, put yourself in their shoes, this is not saying, Therefore, they're right about everything.
01:30:02.000I'm just saying, to understand the situation, what were the Abraham Accords really?
01:30:08.000For years, even when I was a kid, under Yitzhak Rabin, who was the Prime Minister of Israel, and from way before then, the entire framing of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians was basically that Look, there is this resentment within the Arab world that Israel illegitimately got this land and kicked all of these Muslims off of this land to create their country and then continued.
01:30:36.000Not only did they take what the UN partition recommendation recommended by force, but then they took way more than that and then way more than that by war.
01:30:51.000And all the way up to Yitzhak Rabin in the 90s.
01:30:54.000The idea was that, look, we have to either make peace or kind of pretend to make peace or at least act as if we're offering a two-state solution here before we can ever make peace with the broader Arab world.
01:31:09.000The Netanyahu strategy was to go, screw that.
01:31:14.000We're never making peace with these Palestinians.
01:31:18.000We're gonna support Hamas just so you don't get your state.
01:31:22.000And what we're gonna do is try to buy off with US taxpayer dollars the rest of the Arab world to abandon your cause and recognize us and normalize relationships with us even though we will never give you your state.
01:31:39.000Well, I'm not saying... Forget even the moral... Yes, I do think it's bad, but forget even the moral judgment for a second.
01:31:44.000I'm saying put yourself in the shoes of the Palestinians.
01:31:48.000This deal is now to buy off your last lifeline, which would be these surrounding Arab countries, and that you will never get... There's no more hope.
01:32:06.000And my point is just the distinction between the George Bush-ian description of terrorism when they say, oh, some Iraqis just blew up a truck.
01:32:35.000And typically in American foreign policy, they say, oh, when people refer to the George Bush era definition of terrorism, when they were saying things like, you'll get terrorism, they were talking in the news about Iraqis or Afghanis bombing U.S.
01:32:49.000military targets, and then the media would call that a terrorist attack.
01:32:53.000Because it scared people in the same way 9-11 did.
01:32:55.000Sure, no, but when I was referring to Pat Buchanan's quote, he was talking about 9-11, he was talking about the African Embassy bombing, so I get your point.
01:33:02.000Look, fighting off an invading army is a very different thing than attacking people in a country that's dominating your country.
01:33:12.000I guess the broader point is 9-11 was a terrorist attack.
01:33:15.000They attacked civilian targets, they killed thousands of civilians, and then that freaked Americans out to a great degree.
01:33:25.000And when the Iraqis resist, the reason they call it terrorism is to invoke the same sense of dread and fear in Americans that they felt from 9-11.
01:33:34.000Which is absurdly unfair to the Iraqis who had every right to defend themselves from the American empire that was attacking them for no reason at all.
01:33:54.000I think like, and this is what I try to say with this when you first start, if you're trying to first start understanding the whole thing, and then, because you got to understand it before you can really know what the correct policy is, but if you understand, because really, like I remember There was, I was on a, I used to, I was a contributor on an Essie Cup show, which she had a show on CNN back in, this was like in 2017 or something like that.
01:34:20.000And there was like this little- I'm such an OG Dave Smith fan, I watched every single episode.
01:34:25.000Well, you're one of the 17 people who watched that show.
01:34:41.000Yeah it was a truck crash and he jumped out and he hit someone with the van and jumped out and shot off a gun and he said he was ISIS but like even that it wasn't even like really connected it was like a crazy person here who happened to be Muslim who happened to say I'm with ISIS and so we're going around this panel and I was just making the argument about how you know like You know, we always say we have to attack him over there, so we don't have to fight him over here, but the more we fight him over there, the more we're fighting him over here, and how there's kind of this cycle of blowback.
01:35:11.000And then there was this Democratic strategist who was next to me.
01:35:16.000I went off on a rant, the way I tend to do.
01:35:19.000And then he just goes to me, and he goes, yeah, but I'm sorry, but so you're just saying we have to do nothing?
01:35:26.000You're saying the response to this is we have to do nothing?
01:36:22.000Look, dude, when you look at those pictures of babies who died on October 7th, I look at those pictures and I see my kids' faces in those kids' faces.
01:37:04.000And it's like, okay, so once you understand that, you recognize that you're like, this whole cycle is only going to continue until we recognize that there's actually, sure, they might be Islamists and we're more secular or something like that.
01:37:20.000But the fundamental thing that's going, obviously, certain, exclude, but listen, The fundamental thing that's going on here is something that unites us more than divides us.
01:37:32.000That we're both responding to the fact that our people got killed and now we got to go kill your people.
01:37:39.000That's a very human instinct regardless of our cultural differences.
01:37:42.000I know we got to go to Super Chats, but before we do that, I just want to say real quick, look, I'm a finance guy. All of the inflationary pressures that
01:37:50.000we're dealing with right now are a product of our empire. The dollar reserve currency
01:37:54.000status, whether you care about the Palestinians or the Israelis, it's really irrelevant. For
01:37:58.000your own family's sake, for the sake of everyone you know and love when it comes to
01:38:03.000your capacity to save and invest and retire, buy things.
01:38:07.000Everything is predicated off of whether or not the American government and the American people are willing to be adults about the situation that we stand in today and we say, we can't continue down this path.
01:38:20.000It's actually suicidal what we're doing to ourselves.
01:38:22.000So we have to take a non-interventionist position moving forward, not just for the sake of the world, but also for ourselves.
01:38:28.000Can I just say one last thing before we go to Super Chats, and I'll try to keep this as brief as possible, but I know, Tim, that even in some areas where we may have some slight disagreements on this, because I listen to the show regularly and I know that you are completely, me and you, totally agree on what the American policy on this should be, which is that you're like, is not our fight we're not involved on this like yes yes
01:38:48.000please that we just shouldn't be to Italy or something. Why on earth are we
01:38:52.000when we're 30 plus trillion dollars in debt trying to get involved in every
01:38:55.000single fight and fund every with every other country and all of this but I will
01:38:58.000just say this because I mentioned the King Crane Commission before so the King Crane
01:39:02.000Commission one last thing that was really interesting about their findings
01:39:04.000because they go at have you read this Clint? No. We really got
01:39:11.000So the Balfour Declaration has already been made where the British basically said, uh,
01:39:16.000we it pleases the king that the Jews have a homeland in Palestine as long as they don't
01:39:22.000violate the the rights of the non Jewish population there.
01:39:27.000And one of the things that the King Crane Commission came back after interviewing and
01:39:30.000surveying thousands of people in Palestine is they came back and they gave this recommendation
01:39:35.000to Woodrow Wilson, who was the president at the time.
01:39:38.000And they were like, listen, Mr. President, let me just tell you about this Balfour Declaration.
01:39:43.000It is unworkable because there is no way that the Zionist project can go forward while being
01:39:50.000consistent with the rights of the non Jewish people in the land.
01:39:54.000And they said, it will take an army, a military force, they said, of at least 50,000 people to force this on the Arabs.
01:40:04.000And they said, just know Mr. President, Woodrow Wilson, that you're not only, if you're supporting the Zionist project, you're not only committing yourself, But you're committing America to supporting force against the Arab population to create and maintain a Jewish state here.
01:40:24.000So basically what they were saying, now Woodrow Wilson ended up having a stroke and being incapacitated, best thing he ever did in his administration, but then he never got this message.
01:40:33.000But I'm just saying, when they said to create and maintain, they basically said if you're going to support Israel, what is now Israel, You're committing in perpetuity to commit force against this part of the world.
01:40:48.000And I think that's something that we have to recognize.
01:40:51.000It might be worth it, but understand that there is a cost that comes along with that.
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01:43:09.000I didn't mean to prompt you, I'm just saying you're very good at it.
01:43:11.000People are like, so people love my Pelosi impersonation because my Pelosi impersonation is just intended to make her sound as disgusting as possible.
01:44:03.000I am the voice of Dr. Anthony Fauci on the recurring cast member on Freedom Tunes.
01:44:09.000But what happened was Trump was like the reasonable one and then Mini Trump was like the far more offensive, like, awful one who's just saying all the terrible things the media wants you to think Trump would say.
01:44:20.000So Trump would be like, no, we don't hate all of them.
01:46:31.000I'll tell you though, there's a weird relationship with the whole internet and everything.
01:46:34.000It's something, the mix between like anonymity and internet shows where I know people who will literally like do the same thing, like insult me on Twitter every day.
01:46:45.000But then there'll be like this thing, like, there'll be like, ah, Dave's such an idiot.
01:46:48.000At one minute, at one hour and 13 minutes on his last episode, he said this, which is totally wrong.
01:47:53.000Michael O. Pinkerton says, watching Dave calmly speak while Tim is shouting makes me even more disappointed that he couldn't run for president.
01:48:00.000Yeah, well, alright, to be fair, I don't think Tim was shouting.
01:49:01.000I get to do everything I love to do, so I love where I am.
01:49:06.000And also, I still do think that, like, I still do really think the Libertarian Party is going to do incredible things.
01:49:11.000I think the Mises Caucus has been an incredibly successful movement.
01:49:14.000I'm supporting Michael Recktenwald for president.
01:49:17.000I think he's a great candidate, by far the best candidate running.
01:49:20.000And I think he's going to be the Libertarian nominee.
01:49:22.000So, you know, it wasn't in the cards for 2024.
01:49:26.000I appreciate all the people who were very enthusiastic and supportive, particularly you, Tim, who were always, I know you were like way in on the Dan Smith, Mike Morales thing.
01:50:12.000And I actually think that's fair to say, seeing a lot of these leftists blindly just claim that bin Laden was right without actually knowing what they're talking about is maybe not absolutely because some of these videos are from people who say they're Muslim from Muslim countries, and they're surprised now that this video is coming out or this letter is coming out.
01:50:30.000But some of these people are just like, dude, you did not read that.
01:50:32.000Well, yeah, but you know, but again, the point I'm trying to make is I almost see this as consistency on their part.
01:50:38.000Do you remember, like, do you remember when James... Consistently done.
01:50:57.000And so that means when, you know, even to James, when James Lindsay is like, well, the left believes these things and these things.
01:51:02.000I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, they don't.
01:51:04.000That's why, why is it that the same people who are, you know, woke are also flying Ukrainian flags, whatever current thing is.
01:51:11.000And one of the things that's really kind of entertaining in a dark way is that the debate on the left right now, when you have leftist Jews or leftist pro-Israeli types versus leftist pro-Palestinian types, is that there's so much atrophy from the last 15 years that they can't even have a debate.
01:51:32.000So all they have to do is try to outwoke each other.
01:51:46.000It puts me in a terribly challenging position to try and make the Palestinian argument without being categorized as one of these people, because I don't have like anything in common with them otherwise, but I think they happen to be right just for the wrong reasons.
01:51:58.000X, Y, and Z says, you fail to understand that Islam's goal is to subjugate everyone to Islam.
01:52:02.000It is not a banal live and let live ideology.
01:52:09.000And let me tell you something about how much better our culture is, is that the United States of America would never try to subjugate the rest of the world to our goals, right?
01:52:58.000And I agree with, to a great degree, this comment that it is a lot like communism, and it's different because it's a religion and communism is just people trying to steal power.
01:53:07.000Communism is kind of a religion too, but sure, I get your point.
01:53:10.000one's got a God at least, and one's got scripture.
01:53:13.000And my thing is, and I'll say this about Israel, having power doesn't make you inherently wrong or evil.
01:55:00.000Yeah, I mean, again, and that's not to give cover to one side to point out the other, but it's like... To point out how crazy both sides are.
01:55:07.000But you will see within like kind of the corporate media where there's so much attention paid.
01:55:13.000In fact, people will go on and it'll just be like, they said river to the sea.
01:55:16.000What does river to the sea really mean to you?
01:55:18.000And then someone will be like, well, okay, look, I mean, Could mean that they think all of Israel should be returned to the Muslims, or it could mean they want to genocide everyone, or it could... But it's like, well, what does flatten Gaza mean?
01:56:15.000Ukraine, forget even our enemy, because that is my tagline, one of the things in my show is if you want to know who our next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
01:56:23.000Well look, there was just an article this week saying that Ukraine were the ones who pulled off the Nord Stream pipeline bombing, right?
01:56:30.000Now, I don't know if I believe that, but that's a...
01:56:35.000A terrorist attack on a European ally, right?
01:56:39.000So yeah, this is how the cycle always works.
01:56:41.000And by the way, look, it applies to Israel too.
01:56:48.000We're here funding Israel at the moment.
01:56:50.000When we had Majid Nawaz on, he made a really interesting point about this where he said what we're essentially doing is we are arming and giving combat training and combat experience to neo-Nazis.
01:57:02.000All we do, all the media wants to discuss is radicalization and how there's going to be some kind of far-right uprising in the United States.
01:57:10.000Look what we're actually doing and we're literally like arming Nazi militants.
01:57:38.000And it's pretty funny that the same people who call anyone right of center who disagrees with them a neo-Nazi here, who have supported this propping up of the Ukrainian side of this proxy war, make nothing but excuses for them.
01:57:53.000Like, I've literally seen, uh, what's her name, uh, Kathy, uh, was the one who debated Scott Horton?
01:57:59.000And she's, and she's the most, like, goes after all these right-wingers, writes for, like, Bulwark or whatever, and Scott Horton at one point brought up, like, the Azov Battalion, and he was like, uh, he goes, uh, he brings up the Azov Battalion, and she goes, I don't want to discuss the Azov Battalion right now, and he's like, of course you don't!
01:58:16.000And then she goes, but it's so funny, because she'll attack any right-wing group, like, here in the United States of America, and she's like, Yes, was the group founded by a Nazi.
01:58:27.000Yes, it's true, but they later moved away from that.
01:58:32.000So now any Trump supporter is a Nazi, but a literal neo-Nazi, like a guy walks by with a swastika tattoo on your neck and you're like, tattoos don't really mean that much.
01:58:49.000But it goes back to what you were saying earlier, and it's actually a point I was going to make while you guys were talking, but you made it before I could get to it, which is basically that their only assessment of morality in any given situation is what the power dynamic is.
01:59:01.000And so in this instance, because the Nazis in Ukraine are on the other side of the power dynamic, they're not actual Nazis.
01:59:08.000Nazi means in power for whatever reason.
01:59:17.000Well it's also crazy like how one of the things that's really kind of funny is that the big claim of the people look I'd say just like the majority of the political establishment was supporting Ukraine in this war and is now supporting Israel in their war and in the Ukrainian war they go Vladimir Putin cannot take territory by war!
02:00:31.000Of not funding, arming, training, and propping them up.
02:00:34.000Which, by the way, is what we did not just in 1979 and 1980 to try to take out the Soviets in Afghanistan, right?
02:00:41.000We funded the Mujahideen, the precursor to Al-Qaeda, but that And this really started with the George W. Bush administration in around 2006 after their dumbass war in Iraq led to this, uh, led to this, uh, you know, the Shiites taking full control in, in Iran.
02:00:58.000And then they realized they had to do the redirect and start siding with the Sunni radicals.
02:01:03.000But then under Barack Obama in Libya, in Syria, in Yemen, he sided with Al-Qaeda.
02:01:11.000Directly funded Al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria.
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