In this episode, we discuss Joe Biden's latest comments on Ukraine, the 25th Amendment, Supreme Court nominee Nominee Sotomayor's refusal to be in the chamber, and much, much more. Plus, we're joined by the CEO of Getter, Jason Miller, to talk about censorship and social media.
00:00:02.000Joe Biden held a press conference for the first time in, what, almost two and a half months.
00:00:08.000And he said some pretty outrageous things, I guess.
00:00:11.000One that really caught my attention was when he effectively said that we will stop Russia if they invade Ukraine, unless it's like a minor incursion, then we'll talk about it.
00:00:20.000And many people were like, yo, did he just greenlight Russia to invade Ukraine, saying we don't know if we'll respond?
00:00:26.000And I'm torn because I'm like, well, I don't want to get involved in a war with Ukraine, but perhaps the way we do avoid the war is by being like, Russia, don't do it.
00:01:01.000This means people are saying Joe Biden should be removed from the presidency.
00:01:05.000And the funny thing is, even though everyone should agree with that, even on the left, the left just comes out and starts arguing about Trump.
00:01:12.000And I'm just like, I don't think they understand that a lot of the people who are saying Joe Biden ain't with it would probably agree Trump said stupid things too, and we're not talking about that.
00:01:21.000We got a bunch of other stories, a lot having to do with Joe Biden.
00:01:24.000But we also have the story about NPR lying about Neil Gorsuch not wearing a mask and Sotomayor not wanting to be in the chambers with them.
00:01:34.000Because of it, we at TimCast actually wrote that story up.
00:02:05.000Jason Miller, I'm the CEO of Getter, fastest growing social media platform in world history.
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00:03:06.000Uh, and then worked for President Trump up until June.
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00:03:18.000I got connected with the getter folks and right away when I saw it, I said, this is, this one's the ticket.
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00:04:00.000A lot of people don't realize when President Trump was deplatformed, about 20 to 25% of all of his supporters quit social media.
00:04:08.000Now they didn't necessarily cancel all their accounts, but they said, okay, I'm tired of big tech.
00:04:16.000With President Trump making the noise that he's going to get back into the social media arena, a lot of people are coming off the sidelines and getting back active.
00:04:24.000People are glad that it's not Twitter, that it's not Facebook, that it's not Zuckerberg coming in or YouTube putting up their warnings about climate change and all this stuff.
00:04:33.000We're going to talk about your policies, people have been banned, your plans for the future, and we'll get into all that, so thanks for coming.
00:04:56.000This should be an interesting conversation.
00:04:57.000I definitely have a lot of questions I want to ask, and Ian, That's a pretty cool EMF-free little hoodie headwear thing you're wearing there now.
00:05:06.000You think I don't know about this stuff, Ian?
00:05:08.000This is a gift I received from Tim and it is an electromagnetic frequency radiation shielding mechanism.
00:05:15.000Apparently it shields 99.9% of the radiation.
00:05:18.000This is good for me because I usually sleep days and am up at night because the psychic energy is just...
00:05:25.000It's fluxing through my brain, I don't know, but I can feel the people's pain and love, and it's very intense, so this has helped quiet it down.
00:05:32.000I don't know if it's psychosomatic or if it's working, I can't tell.
00:05:34.000It's psychosomatic, Ian, I assure you.
00:08:00.000But the point of this story is, marking the end of his first year in office with a long, wide-ranging formal press conference, Biden said it had been a year of challenges, but also a year of enormous progress.
00:08:11.000Citing stats on vaccinations, job creation, and cuts to child poverty.
00:08:14.000The real story here is that Joe Biden had a press conference.
00:08:17.000Of course, NPR likes to soften the blow for the man, because right now on Twitter, 25th Amendment is trending.
00:08:27.000Initially, it started trending because people critical of Joe Biden, which includes the independent, unaffiliated voter and Republican voters, moderates, liberals, post-liberals, conservatives, libertarians, they're all basically saying, yo, I think something's wrong with Joe Biden.
00:08:43.000He's like inviting war with Russia and Ukraine.
00:08:46.000And then it gets taken over by the left, who starts calling people maggots, screaming the 25th amendment, and then they just start showing, you know, Donald Trump speaking and other stuff.
00:08:58.000I think the reality is, there's one clip in particular that really exemplifies this.
00:09:02.000Someone asked Joe Biden directly why it is that so many people think he's in cognitive decline.
00:09:17.000So I find this fascinating that we're finally getting this press conference from Joe Biden and that people are using it as an opportunity to basically be like, this man should not be president.
00:09:25.000I mean, I think people came to that realization as soon as he came into office.
00:09:30.000I think people came to that realization when he wasn't even running a campaign and the media was running it for him.
00:09:35.000But there's a lot of major bombshells in this kind of press conference that he released.
00:09:40.000Real quick, I like that you called it a kind of press conference.
00:09:43.000I mean, yeah, I mean, he was there for two hours, took 24 questions.
00:09:46.000Let's admit that's sort of impressive for Biden, especially at his age.
00:09:49.000But he talked about a lot of nonsense.
00:09:51.000He was congratulating himself on his Afghanistan pullout.
00:09:56.000He said that America is making enormous progress.
00:09:59.000Meanwhile, we have record COVID cases.
00:10:01.000The United States government right now, under his administration, is getting 400 million N95 masks, over 400 million COVID tests.
00:10:10.000When the United Kingdom is literally getting rid of their ... Vax passport system and mask mandate what he's doing is the ... complete opposite of what should be doing and let's not ... also forget he pretty much invited Putin to invade Ukraine ... which is an absolutely huge bombshell with a lot of ... significant ramifications.
00:10:27.000And the other thing to me, look, Biden should fire every single person at White House immediately.
00:12:02.000I remember at that point, you know, I was driving and I saw the gas prices and I was shocked because when I was 18 and working in Chicago, the gas prices were hitting $2 and it was a big deal.
00:12:12.000And now here we are under Trump and it's back under two bucks.
00:13:26.000And it was amazing to hear, you know, the Jake Tappers and the Wolf Blitzers and all these folks being critical of Biden.
00:13:31.000You know, they're saying, you know, clean up on, what was the one line I think Dana Bass used was clean up on the State Department aisle or something like that with the Ukraine thing.
00:13:38.000I mean, they have, they see those ratings down 90%.
00:13:41.000You better believe they're going to turn on Joe Biden.
00:14:19.000Exactly by the corporate media that the two people ... holding him up is the bureaucratic corrupt system ... and of course the corporate media journalist that weight ... of Bernie is getting very heavy and they're starting to ... let go because it's too absurd not to call out Biden on his ... failures for him to stand and talk to the American people ... and say what he did in Afghanistan was a success is ... absolutely crazy he blamed everything because he wasn't ... able to pass the build back better bill he blamed by the ... way the New Hampshire governor for that he said he's ...
00:14:48.000The New Hampshire governor is one of the biggest roadblocks ... to build back better which would have solved everything no ... no no no no build back better would have created more ... government which he has been implementing and using which ... has been absolutely eviscerating our current way ... of life destroying any kind of wealth destroying any kind of ... future young people have in this country.
00:15:08.000Because when you look at his policies these are the ... policies of the corporatist the most corrupt special ... interest and lobbyist in Washington DC that are ... absolutely getting away with murder and able to get away ... with whatever they want under his administration which he's ... acting like a larger puppet for as he's really a ... representative of them.
00:15:56.000You know, one of the things to tell you a sure sign in politics when someone who's in office or a candidate, when they're losing, when their idea to turn something around is all tactics as opposed to strategy.
00:16:07.000Now this is getting a little bit nuanced, but I'll put my politics hat back on for a moment here.
00:16:11.000So Joe Biden, in addition to listing out everything going on in the country, his grand strategy was to get out of the White House.
00:16:28.000That's a small thing like, hey, we're going to hold press conferences on Wednesdays or I'm going to go out and we're going to, he blamed it on the communications effort and said, we have to talk to people better.
00:16:37.000When you're talking about stuff as a president like that, the president of the United States, You know the whole thing's a disaster.
00:16:43.000That's why I said Klain, Peppermint Patty, Circleback, they all need to be fired because so disastrous, the headlines tomorrow are just a nightmare.
00:16:52.000And just to be clear, Peppermint Patty is Jen Psaki, right?
00:17:00.000And like, if you're discussing changing strategy instead of changing tactics, you're talking about more of a global, a general, um, behaviors, like how are we going to deal with climate change as opposed to, uh, Or how big of a deal is climate change?
00:17:17.000That would be more of a strategy conversation.
00:17:19.000So here's the reality for Biden, is that Biden has one speed.
00:17:23.000Today he talked about, he literally said, this was a buried line, I think I posted this on Getter, he said that we have to contrast against the other side more.
00:17:33.000He has one speed and that's to go and say, I'm not Trump.
00:17:36.000And so usually what happens in election is Joe Biden says, I'm not Trump.
00:18:00.000But a strategy thing is Joe Biden has to go and take it.
00:18:03.000Right now, he's playing the whack-a-mole with all these little things.
00:18:06.000A strategic change would be to go and say, rather than getting mired in all the Hill legislation, I'm going to go out there and launch a new initiative and get behind it and say, uh, this administration is about, uh, you know, the chicken in every pot, or, you know, this is about, uh, you know, helping this group of voters or something.
00:18:22.000But when you, so strategically, or he says, look, right now we're all in a fight against the CCP or a fight against Putin and Russia.
00:20:11.000Well, the proxy wars that are happening are very profitable, especially when you have these big major kind of states fighting each other, the West versus the East.
00:20:22.000And if they could advance it towards another place like ... Ukraine this only of course benefits the military industrial ... complex now this could be a two-pronged response here ... understanding Biden statement one is that he's all the scene ... now he doesn't know what he's talking about the second one is ... that he's inviting Russia in because at the long term this ... is going to work in favor of the neoconservative of the deep ... state of the military industrial complex that of ...
00:20:47.000Striving for this but there's two other important pieces of ... information to consider here a couple weeks ago the Biden ... administration according to some sources even went to Ukraine ... and said would it be okay if you just give up some of your ... sovereign land to to Russia so this is something that has ... already been an underlining policy that has happened ... before so that's why I'm also calling bunk on the White ... House's latest.
00:21:10.000Statement because they just issued a clarification on ... Biden statement saying that if Russia invades of ... course there's going to be a swift and severe response and ... obviously they're just trying to cover the bad press in the ... bad reaction they're getting from this but geopolitically ... the situation is complex Russia has been moving their troops.
00:21:27.000towards Ukraine. The United States and NATO have been moving their troops towards Russia as well.
00:21:33.000So the situation is getting tense and I wouldn't be surprised if there was another proxy war that of course is
00:21:37.000going to be perpetual warfare as Ian said, the Henry Kissinger doctrine,
00:22:11.000And then he also the other country for the other country mentioned list.
00:22:15.000Two countries and then he goes if they go and move into Ukraine and do some different things But he was all ready to I mean, that's the thing that no one's talked about here He announced us troop expansions into two different countries as part of his answer like he's already thought through this I mean, he definitely has a direction he wants to go But you know, one of the points I'd make a little bit of the buried lead on this when we see whether it's Putin or Xi, which I spent a lot of time talking about the CCP and what they're doing around the world.
00:22:39.000As soon as Biden was declared the winner, that's when these guys started going offense.
00:22:43.000And the real reason why we know that I think both Biden and, uh, or excuse me, but Xi and Putin take action is if Biden's the one term president, they're going to go and make their moves now while he's in, as opposed to waiting till whoever comes next.
00:22:54.000Do you remember when Biden was, I think it was at a UN meeting or was it G7?
00:22:58.000And he's, he kept saying Libya over and over again instead of Syria.
00:23:02.000I assure you, she and Putin see that, and they look at each other, and you know, Putin's like, hey, she, if we invade Ukraine, he might accidentally invade Libya instead.
00:23:12.000So, but you think it's, you know, I'm half joking.
00:23:16.000Imagine if Joe Biden is in the Situation Room, And he says directly to his generals, we gotta get more troops on the ground in Libya!
00:23:52.000I understand that Joe Biden misspoke, but he said Truden on a shop at a pressure and Batacaf care as well.
00:23:59.000You gotta be very precise when you're talking about missile strikes and nukes and war.
00:24:03.000And I'm pretty sure Putin, Xi, and even Kim Jong-un and any one of our adversaries in Iran and Venezuela are like, there's a good chance that if we invade, Joe Biden will order a missile strike in the wrong country.
00:24:16.000I disagree there because Putin realizes that the president isn't really the president of the United States.
00:24:22.000He made very important comments a couple years ago specifically talking about how even presidents change.
00:24:28.000There's always men in dark suits that implement the same kind of foreign policy that has been In some ways always the same for a very long time for decades ... now and it's important to understand I think he's just a ... puppet I think the military industrial complex knows ... exactly what they're doing the language from the Biden ... administration and intelligence agencies has been concise ... here and they said Russia will stage a false flag attack and ... will launch an invasion of Russia it's only a matter of ... time until Russia invades Ukraine Russia will invade ... Ukraine those are the talking points.
00:25:00.000Of the intelligence agency of the Biden administration ... right after the CIA had just had a secret mission in Kiev ... where he came back from in this information came came out ... that they're going to do a false flag and many people are ... speculating that Kiev.
00:25:15.000gave the head of the CIA this information. The CIA gave it to CNN and that's why the American public
00:25:19.000has now regurgitated this information. False flags have always started a lot of world wars
00:25:26.000and important wars throughout recorded human history. So there's there's the rhetoric is hot
00:25:31.000here and it's and it's pretty crazy. I don't know if it'll be World War III but I think
00:25:35.000I'd be willing to bet within this year Russia invades Ukraine.
00:25:40.000Joe Biden says something like, Trinidad, Shabba to pressure, but it's because there's a plan in action.
00:25:45.000We don't know what he's muttering about, but we do respond.
00:25:48.000And this is, I think, because the Democrats are losing.
00:25:57.000And they need something to try and boost their approval ratings and offer up something.
00:26:00.000Not just really quick, I'm not saying there's going to be a world war, but I'm saying the only thing, as you were saying, I was going to make that point, the only thing that could stop the negative viewpoint of the Biden administration, the poll numbers, is a conflict, is a war, and I don't see it as, because there's mutual assured destruction if Russia and the United States fight each other.
00:26:21.000It's going to be just like Syria, the United States is going to be sending more arms, sending in more military hardware, more U.S. taxpaying
00:26:28.000dollars will be sent to Ukraine, Russia will of course influence that region. They already
00:26:32.000have been fighting for years now, so it only makes sense that the conflict is escalating and
00:26:39.000This is one of the things to remember, the contrast between Biden and Trump, for example.
00:26:43.000Is Biden tonight very much sounded like a U.S. senator?
00:26:47.000He didn't sound like a president, sounded like a senator.
00:26:49.000So when he was talking about even their domestic agenda, he's going through, I like this part of legislation, not that I'm going to try to save this part, not the other.
00:26:55.000He went through and gave this very kind of methodical, that's how he walked himself into the trap was he tried to try to nuance and give his answer about we'll see on the minor and courage and all of that.
00:27:03.000I mean, obviously, we know the last time that Putin went rolling into Ukraine, I mean, he took Crimea back.
00:27:07.000I mean, so they already have the precedent that Biden's not going to do anything.
00:27:09.000So I think what happens is Putin definitely goes, I don't think it's a full takeover of Ukraine, but it's enough to rattle the saber, make himself look good at home.
00:27:16.000Biden says, well, I'm going to give you double, triple secret sanctions.
00:27:19.000And effectively, then Putin wins the day and Biden looks weak.
00:27:22.000But I think they know that Biden is opposed to Trump, who basically told, well, obviously with Putin, he took one strategy of kind of doing the buddy routine with Kim Jong-un.
00:27:31.000He said, fire and fury will drop the bombs and wipe you off the face of the earth.
00:28:02.000They didn't want to go to war with Russia or China.
00:28:04.000And this has been building for a very long time, especially with the United States trying to build their sphere of influence, trying to get Ukraine from a Russian influence towards a European NATO influence.
00:28:14.000We saw John McCain in Kiev literally lead the marches down there, trying to overthrow their government.
00:28:19.000There was a very violent revolution that hurt a lot of people.
00:28:22.000It was all against corruption the Ukrainian people ... were dealing with a corrupt government but they got ... another corrupt government in response to it with Biden's ... fingerprints all over it with his son's business ... involvements in it and of course also the president of ... the United States Donald Trump at the time who set lethal ... weapons to Ukraine which was an absolute huge escalation ... according to Russia and this is why Russia is pissed off ... because they're seeing NATO they're seeing the US weapons ...
00:28:47.000Going closer and closer to their border and ... they're saying we need to strike back in order to push ... back against this nonsense the Secretary of State even a ... couple weeks ago said NATO never agreed not to build up on ... Russia's border which is absolutely untrue there's a ... lot of documents there's a lot of agreements between Russia ... and NATO and the United States saying that the United States ... won't be building up a lot of their military hardware on ...
00:29:09.000Very escalating, hot situation that could turn very drastic for the people of Ukraine, which is absolutely sad as these politicians just rule lives, which is insane.
00:29:19.000I think Trump's strategy with sending weapons to Ukraine was, hey, we're not going to get involved in this conflict.
00:29:26.000Whereas Biden and the neolibs and neocons were setting up, you know, getting Hunter Biden and Burisma trying to work, you know, energy companies.
00:29:35.000There's a reason why they want to get Ukraine aligned with the Western forces.
00:30:01.000Can we get Trump back in the White House?
00:30:03.000I mean, that's where, I mean, you know that, you know, when you have Macron and Johnson, and even though Angela has left Olaf Schultz, I'm sure they're like, let's get Trump back.
00:30:13.000At least we knew where that guy stood.
00:30:14.000Well, Biden continued Trump's policies of providing lethal weapons to Ukraine, so that also is escalating the situation.
00:30:21.000It's a very complex situation because we should actually see it from both perspectives.
00:30:27.000We should see it from the Russian side, from the Ukrainian side, and from the American side, because each side has their own particular version of events.
00:30:33.000I'm trying to just tell people the version of events, how I see it.
00:30:37.000But again there's different PR there's different propaganda from each different side and it's truly a very dangerous situation that I believe will be a limited war just like Ian is saying with the Henry Kissinger doctrine that makes most sense but even with that there still is a probability of it escalating and becoming extremely dangerous for everyone else and that's why War should never be the answer.
00:31:00.000Diplomacy should be the way to move forward here.
00:31:02.000And Biden is just standing there and saying, yeah, just invade.
00:31:36.000He stops the NATO expansion into, or the EU expansion, pardon me, into Ukraine, some of the other things.
00:31:43.000But I do think she goes all the way and goes for Taiwan.
00:31:46.000What gets me, this invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan that the United States pulled off, I can't in good conscience say, hey, China, don't invade Taiwan.
00:31:56.000Because it's like, dude, I just supported a country for 20 years that invaded a country and it's still in Iraq!
00:32:02.000So, but at the same time, I can't condone the CCP invading Taiwan.
00:32:52.000Yeah I think it's in And look, the order could be the other way around.
00:32:56.000But there's there's always safety in numbers that make it two front war, because then you have NATO, you have APAC, you have the you have everyone is looking at.
00:33:04.000So I think that's probably, that's probably pretty accurate.
00:33:06.000Although I think I do think that both happen, regardless, but it speeds up and expedites the action of such if they both do it, or if one does it.
00:33:15.000Let's say this year, Russia invades Ukraine.
00:34:10.000You have a situation where Russia and China don't like each other.
00:34:14.000There's an opportunity to work with one another, have peaceful cooperation, have economic incentives to work with Europe.
00:34:21.000And the more that the United States puts up these neoconservatives, the more we push away Russia, The more Russia becomes closer to China and they could act in unison and strategically that would be the move that they would pull off that would put the United States in a very particularly difficult position on the world stage that wouldn't only just question its hegemony but alt-right change the whole understanding of how the world kind of operates.
00:34:47.000So this could also be a deliberate effort to bring down the United States with this kind of viewpoint of what the world sees America as.
00:34:55.000Especially under Biden, there's no way the U.S.
00:35:26.000There was that viral campaign where the Russian military ad of it's all black and it's all gray and green and there's this guy and he's all sweaty and he's ripped and he's doing push-ups and he jumps out of a plane and he lands, he's got the mask on, he's armed and he's like, ah, and he's fighting.
00:35:57.000Yeah, something tells me that she and Putin do not sit around debating whether or not they're gonna fund transgender surgeries.
00:36:03.000That's probably not something that they spend much time on.
00:36:05.000I want to make sure I'm being fair, too.
00:36:06.000At the same time as this ad comes out, and everyone criticized the Army ad for having this, like, woke diversity thing, we still have the Marine Corps, which is putting out ads of, like, there's one where a guy, he sees, like, weird futuristic sci-fi holograms selling sneakers.
00:36:20.000And then he like swings at one and then falls and slams and all of a sudden he's in a swamp and he gets up and he's armed and it's the Marine Corps and it's much, much more hardcore, much more similar to the Russian ad.
00:36:31.000I want to make sure we're giving the reasonableness, the rationality here.
00:36:35.000But I don't think Russia is putting together ads to convince their military service member in any branch to be woke, diverse, comfy, cuddly, pastel, beanbags, safety spaces and all that stuff.
00:36:49.000So unfortunately for us, or maybe even, you know, there's still a light at the end of the tunnel.
00:36:53.000Maybe we shouldn't be the world police.
00:36:56.000Donald Trump was very critical of this aspect of America.
00:36:59.000And maybe this will, you know, get us back to America First policies, make us focus on our own borders.
00:37:06.000Maybe Biden's failures will cost us our empirical status, in a sense.
00:37:10.000But we'll end up with a stronger economy at home, with the working class being better supported, with secure borders.
00:37:17.000But we know that's not going to happen.
00:37:18.000We know that, especially not under Biden, at least not till we get another, a different president in the White House.
00:37:23.000I mean, the fact of the matter is Trump had this very much as a position that the America first, uh, and look, a lot of criticism, a lot of heat from people saying you should be doing things to help out.
00:37:31.000Obviously he sent the, um, uh, military, the missiles to Ukraine, but said, you got to go and handle it on your own.
00:37:59.000And that's one of the things, especially as I've been traveling around, even like I said, we were talking about this before we started, even the countries where people, Trump was way upside down.
00:38:58.000And for those of us that have taken that red pill and popped out of the matrix, we're like, Wow, this is really bad.
00:39:04.000But I'll tell you what, at least we can buy our emergency food and build our bunkers so that when it does hit the fan, we'll be okay for at least a few months, right?
00:39:13.000I don't think it's a bombastic statement to say that the American empire is going down and that there are special interests in this country that are making sure that it gets destroyed from the inside.
00:39:23.000And I think one way they will do that is by, of course, Creating more Afghanistan situations, creating more foreign policy failures, creating more foreign policy that absolutely lets the entire world down.
00:39:35.000It's absolutely crazy to act and play like this tough guy when, again, diplomacy is the biggest strength that you could show.
00:39:41.000If you could resolve problems without needing to saber-rattle or start a war or kill people, that's one of the biggest strengths that you could have on this world.
00:39:51.000More than ever, we need diplomats, but now we have a situation that is very, very dangerous and only going to be expanding from here, and I think the United States is being destroyed deliberately, and I think foreign policy is a major ingredient to that destruction.
00:40:08.000And I just add on that is that the only way that diplomacy works is if they think that you have the fortitude to back it up, or if they think that you're tough.
00:40:17.000Look, I don't want us to go sending more troops over to Europe or to Asia or to anywhere else.
00:40:23.000I thought it was good what Trump did with drawing troops from a number of the countries from around the world.
00:40:27.000But if people don't think that you actually act or back up any of your allies on this, then they're going to go and they're going to be aggressive.
00:40:33.000And then guess what's going to happen?
00:41:14.000And the US being the old dog going to be like, no way, but we got Joe Biden.
00:41:19.000Keep in mind that Russia and China both have similar issues that they're facing where Putin and Xi have to watch their flank internally as well.
00:41:27.000Part of the reason why Putin does the whole saber rattling is because that's a strategy of saying, you know what?
00:41:31.000I want to shore up my domestic base by going to get everyone focused on the fact that Ukraine is, we own Ukraine.
00:41:37.000These terrible, horrible people from the West are trying to impose on us.
00:41:40.000So, you know, let's pay attention to that as opposed to the fact that Russia's economy is the size of the state of New York.
00:41:46.000She, one of the things, China's economy is in real tough stretch right now.
00:41:51.000They have this massive water crisis in China that is the real deal.
00:41:55.000I mean, it is, they have some real problems and the other thing too, all the cheap labor force that they have, everyone's moving up to the middle class in China.
00:42:01.000So they can't pay people like two pennies an hour.
00:42:03.000They're having to go and try to essentially pillage Vietnam and other countries do this.
00:42:08.000That's part of the reason why he has to go and move on Taiwan to go shore up his base, get everyone rallied, say it's us against the West again.
00:42:14.000Yeah, and they have also very little natural resources, very limited ability to farm and produce food.
00:42:20.000This is why China's trying to turn a desert into farmland right now.
00:42:23.000This is the lengths that they're turning to.
00:42:25.000They also turned to weather modification, trying to alter climates in order to provide better farming situations, because this is why it's so important for them to move out of that landlocked position.
00:42:39.000This is why even Taiwan is is so tempting for them because they ... know they need to expand their Empire if they don't they're ... going to be doomed especially with the population that they ... have right now filled with a lot of men and very little ... women and you know the situation in China is like a ... perfect storm of perfect recipe of disaster.
00:43:02.000And you know, Tim, to your point about their aggression, even doing things all the way to Hawaii.
00:43:06.000I mean, since when did the nine-dash line extend to Maui, right?
00:43:09.000I mean, but that's basically where they are now.
00:43:10.000They're like, hey, this is the decoupling is happening.
00:43:14.000What's the worst case scenario for us, though?
00:43:15.000I mean, if China starts expanding and taking over, I know there's economic consequences.
00:43:20.000So from a really crass perspective, there are a couple of things.
00:43:23.000Number one, it basically says, if you're, if they go and take, because you don't take part of Taiwan, right?
00:45:39.000This is what's happening on the ground in this country, and you see this stuff, I gotta tell you, with the trucker shortage, with the labor shortage, with the airlines freaking out, canceling flights every single month for some new problem, You know, Ukraine war with Russia might be the least of our worries when you don't have truckers to bring you food, when your goods being shipped by train are being looted and your supplies being destroyed.
00:46:03.000We're going to go local, I got to say.
00:46:05.000But just really, I just want to make a point.
00:46:11.000I take the Amtrak up to New York every week for Getter, and I get on that and I'm like, man, it's basically like the Joe Biden of trains getting on Amtrak.
00:46:20.000But one of the things, if you go to the press conference, just going back to Brandon for a moment here, It was so bad when he's trying to explain inflation.
00:46:29.000He was trying to say the reason for inflation is because of the supply chain crisis.
00:46:33.000So he's blaming one crisis that essentially he's allowing to happen based on another crisis that he's allowing to happen.
00:46:40.000But this, I tell you this story, they were showing some images of the essentially the yards where it's just all the empty packages where they've gone through and ripped everything.
00:46:47.000There's like, you know, this entire field.
00:47:01.000You either need armed guards at this point, whether they're human or robot or turrets or whatever, or you need bullet trains, like you're saying, super fast trains that are enclosed so you can't get inside.
00:47:12.000Ian calling for auto defense turret at a train station.
00:47:18.000You laugh, and the next thing you know, we get jumped on.
00:47:20.000Yeah, I mean, they used to have armed, like a guy would sit on the stagecoach with his shotgun, making sure they didn't get jumped as they were riding in the 1800s.
00:47:27.000But now, we've become so complacent that we are like, hey, I can walk around without looking both ways.
00:47:36.000Yeah, I don't know if I want to live in that world where it's like the trains are like, you know, there's just layers of auto defense turrets with gun sights pointing at you as you walk past them.
00:47:58.000It's a synergistic company model because not only do you build the tunnels underground, then you can build the high speed rail in the tunnels.
00:48:05.000And then we do it on Mars, for instance, where he's colonizing.
00:48:16.000And so we had a homesteader on the show a while back talking about how, you know, if you even get one or two percent of your food source from your own production, you're doing really, really well.
00:48:27.000And when you look at this stuff, it's not an issue of prepping.
00:48:31.000It's an issue of, let me just say, if you are someone who has watched Joe Biden speak, You probably have already started prepping.
00:48:39.000If you're someone who isn't and you're only watching CNN, I need not warn you about why you should have some emergency food or you should learn to farm or garden or get some animals.
00:48:49.000If you watch that man speak, just like literally, don't watch a clip, watch like a full thing of him talking, and you still think he is doing a good job and we're going to be fine, then by all means, you do as you please.
00:49:01.000But I think the average person Who has not listened to the man, who doesn't know that he said once, truant on a shop at a pressure.
00:49:08.000Once they see that, they're going to be like, how many beans can I buy in one trip to Walmart?
00:50:07.000It's good when we have civilian leadership of our armed forces.
00:50:11.000And the idea is we have our generals, but then we elect a civilian leader who can then check them and bring some accountability.
00:50:18.000The problem is, when you have an old man in a wheelchair with a blanket on his lap, pushed into a sunroom, and then he falls asleep and goes... There's no one keeping any of these forces in check, or organizing them, or even having a plan for what we're doing.
00:50:31.000Because when you guys are like 25th Amendment and Kamala Harris, LOL, I'm also like, no, no!
00:50:55.000Some people might say, you know, Kamala Harris is a brutal dictator-type person who kept people in prison to use as slave labor to fight wildfires.
00:51:02.000Actually, they actually, for a dollar an hour, because these people were, my understanding is that they were eligible for parole, and she was like, no, we need the cheap labor to fight wildfires, which is basically, in my opinion, slavery.
00:51:11.000And you could have that, and it will mean your train tracks are clean, but I do not like the idea of empowering someone as evil as that woman.
00:51:18.000And so it's like, then what do we get?
00:51:21.000Asleep on the job and everything starts falling apart?
00:51:23.000It's like we're between a rock and a hard place.
00:51:25.000So one thing, going back to the Bernie reference Luke brought up earlier, which during the campaign I'd always kind of make that joke, and I put out a meme a few times.
00:51:32.000Here's like Nancy and Kamala propping him up, and you know, here's an Antifa flag in the background and White House burning and all that.
00:51:39.000I assumed when Biden came in to be weak in at Bernie's, but it would be essentially the hardcore libs that were propping him up.
00:51:45.000I don't think anybody's holding him up.
00:51:47.000I don't even think Ron Klain or Jennifer Psaki or Susan, spying Susan, who's hiding out there in Kellyanne's old office.
00:51:53.000I don't think any, to me, I would rather go against the hardcore lefty who at least we knew, look, we hate their policies, but we know what direction they're going.
00:52:04.000We can challenge them on certain points.
00:52:06.000Not saying that I want to cede any of these things to these people, but I'd rather have someone who's a lefty where at least we can go and combat them as opposed to someone who's quite frankly incompetent.
00:52:15.000I would rather have no government so we could actually live our lives free and prosperously in a way where we don't have centralization and control of our basic human activities that are absolutely destroyed by these plutocrats and fat cats.
00:53:29.000The larger financial ramifications of the lockdowns, the restrictions, the mandates, we're still going to feel them and they haven't been fully even transitioned into our current state that we're in right now.
00:53:42.000Financial markets take a while to actually react to certain moves by governments.
00:53:47.000And I think it's fair to say, especially with how much we have been indebted, with how much we've been printing, that financially the situation will only get worse here in the United States and we're going to have more situations like we're seeing at the railroads unfold in many different ways all throughout this country.
00:54:01.000I just want to point out that those images I showed, I went on Google and I typed in L.A.
00:54:11.000No subways, you know, no substations, no smiling people waving with their kids, boarding a train and seeing their, you know, there's no husband seeing his wife off as he boards.
00:54:52.000Well, there was an article once, and it's not just one article, but they say that California is what the United States will be five years later.
00:55:00.000So that what happens in California affects the rest of the country five years on.
00:55:05.000I think with the pushback we're seeing, thanks to the internet, that's gonna play a big role in people waking up and paying attention.
00:55:12.000We're seeing, hey, Getter, for instance, an opportunity for people to bypass the censorship and maintain these values and ideas and share them.
00:55:20.000If we didn't have that, and people were only able to see this mainstream narrative, then yeah, the US would become California and we would all live in squalor and destruction.
00:55:29.000So long as we keep resisting and fighting for free speech and our ability to share ideas, we're gonna hold that off.
00:55:35.000Which brings me to, let's talk about gutter.
00:55:40.000The reason I think this story is a great way to kick off the Getter conversation is that Joe Rogan, in his conversation with Dr. Malone, helped boost a lot of the user numbers on Getter, or I should say, convince a lot of people to sign up.
00:56:00.000Mr. Rogan complained the site artificially bloats follower counts by including a person's Twitter following on their profile.
00:56:07.000I think you guys are working on this, and my immediate response is, you know, not to make it a softball to begin with, but... I mean, you're a relatively new social media platform, you're growing really quickly, and you've got to deal with, you know, the bumps in the road along the way.
00:56:21.000For Joe to be like, I don't know how to get off, as if he wants to quit already, it's like, yo man, give the platform a chance, right?
00:56:53.000But look, going to the Rogan point for a minute, just in case anyone's not on Getter, obviously G-E-T-T-R and the Apple Store and Google Play, just a shameless plug, but what we had is we've, in about two weeks, maybe about three weeks, one of the features we'll have on Getter is when you post on Getter, you can have the option to then have that post populate on Twitter as well.
00:57:13.000Some of the folks, the front end of the house, essentially on the engineering side, got ahead of the back end of the house, and they put that out there.
00:57:20.000So here are the combined follows, or how many people would have.
00:57:24.000So just to clarify, make sure I got this right, you said you post on Twitter and it'll appear on Getter?
00:57:28.000Post on Getter, it'll appear on Twitter.
00:57:30.000I'm sorry, sometimes I... No, I think that was my mistake.
00:57:33.000And so when you start your account with Getter, you have the option of importing in all of your tweets, which is a very cool feature because what people don't realize, that's your intellectual property.
00:57:43.000Because otherwise, if the platforms own it, then they would be liable for everything that you're writing and posting on there.
00:57:47.000So we allow people, it's kind of a cool feature, like, wait, all my tweets are now showing up in my Getter timeline?
00:57:52.000Then your history, whether it be your posts, your memes, your recordings, whatever come with.
00:57:56.000We went and, again, what we'll have shortly then for going forward, you post on Getter, it'll appear on Twitter, and then someone never really needs to go to Twitter again.
00:58:03.000The only reason I ever hear back from people is why they don't quit Twitter is, well, I have followers there.
00:58:10.000So the spirit of that, but here's where we screwed up as a platform.
00:58:13.000I'll be on the level when we screw up on something or don't get something right.
00:58:16.000The front end, the user experience side, posted here are the total followers.
00:58:20.000We've now fixed it, so it says here are the people you're following, here are your getter followers, here are your total, which is both Twitter and getter.
00:58:28.000But the fact that we allowed that to go and happen first, as opposed to waiting to the backend when you did it, it was an unforced error.
00:58:34.000It's a small thing, but you know, you just got to own it and say, hey, here's what we're trying to do.
00:59:13.000Do you ban, you know, do you ban wrong think?
00:59:17.000Like if someone has a political opinion that doesn't fly?
00:59:20.000So let me go and take them in order, because I think it's important for people who wonder and say, what's the difference here?
00:59:25.000So again, our vision with Getter and what we do, this is the free speech platform.
00:59:29.000This is where we make sure that people who can go and actually express their political opinion without getting censored or shadow banned or algorithm out of existence, simply because of what they're saying politically.
00:59:39.000So you take a look at some of the guests who've been on this show, take a look at Steve Bannon, take a look at Alex Jones.
00:59:44.000Take a look at, I know Dr. Malone, Dr. Malone hasn't been on, has he?
00:59:51.000Uh, but you look at some of the people who even have, uh, look at James O'Keefe, who's just here a couple of days ago, look at Project Veritas, people who now have voices at Getter that were kicked off by Twitter.
01:00:00.000Terms of service for most of most all the platforms.
01:00:03.000It doesn't matter if you're in the challenger platforms like us or, um, some of the other challengers, or if you're in big tech, the reason why terms of service for many folks look so similar is because it's effectively your contract.
01:00:14.000And there's a difference though between the terms of service and your community guidelines.
01:00:18.000One of the things where we've come under some and so our terms of service very clearly spell out and it's it's on the both on the website and through here but it says for example that without limitation we may but do not commit to as we put our attention to offensive, obscene, lewd, filthy, pornographic, violent, harassing, threatening, abusive, illegal, otherwise objectionable, inappropriate content.
01:00:41.000That's within obviously things like child abuse or beheading or different things like that.
01:00:46.000The terms of service, because since it's legal terms of someone, this is your contract with someone for signing up, that's why terms of service are going to be written in that manner.
01:00:54.000Where we are working to improve is a platform.
01:00:57.000It's a post and we're working on this right now.
01:01:02.000More specific community guidelines, so it's even clearer for people.
01:01:05.000Okay, you guys say that you're their free speech platform.
01:01:07.000We realize, okay, that somebody who's been kicked off these other platforms, they can come express themselves politically and no one's going to go and vote them off the island for talking about COVID or voting issues or climate change.
01:01:17.000There's not going to be warning labels, but give us a little more granularity.
01:01:21.000And that's one of the things that we've heard from people and we're working to put that together to publish.
01:01:24.000So we asked this similarity of Rumble.
01:01:27.000It says right here, Getter holds freedom of speech as its core value and does not wish to censor your opinions.
01:01:32.000Nonetheless, you may not post on or transmit through the service any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, libelous, indecent, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, pornographic, profane, hateful, racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable material of any kind and including any material that encourages conduct that
01:01:49.000would constitute a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability, or otherwise violate any law,
01:01:54.000rule, or regulation of the laws applicable to you or applicable in the country in
01:02:08.000And I do want to make sure we say, as we go into this, Getter clearly is going to allow more speech than these other platforms, but I'm wondering why it is that, uh, Getter has the same language.
01:02:22.000We say that you outright say you cannot be, you know, hateful racially or ethnically or, or, or obscene.
01:02:28.000And we see that same language on all the other big tech Silicon Valley platforms.
01:02:31.000So a couple of things here, because again, keep in mind that for most countries, especially in the U.S., your free speech rights, for the most part, extend up until the point where they infringe on someone else's rights.
01:02:42.000If we're going to have a platform where we allow people to come on and keep it very real politically, to keep it very politically incorrect, if that's where they want to be, there have to be some standards in place to make sure that people don't think that it's a threatening or potentially illegal environment.
01:03:00.000But hold on, but there's but you notice we do not use hate speech, which is a phrase that the left has taken over and they and then it's like, who defines it is, is hate speech, for example, but here's one of the things we're not going to allow to happen on getter.
01:03:13.000And this is something where I get a lot of pushback from people.
01:03:16.000But they've said, or we've said, excuse me, that we're not gonna allow racial or religious epithets on the platform.
01:03:21.000I have not had one person who's come to me yet and said, you know what?
01:03:24.000If only I could use the blank word, uh, then it would be an okay platform.
01:03:28.000You know, the, the fact that I like getter, except I can't use the blank word.
01:03:31.000It's just, you have to go and have, you're not going to make every single person happy, but we have to have a platform, especially being global.
01:03:38.000The U S is about 57% right now of our overall base.
01:04:06.000That's another question that people are asking.
01:04:07.000So taking it in reverse order, no shadowbanning, no algorithming.
01:04:11.000One of the things people realize with Getter is everything's in the linear timeframe.
01:04:14.000So you do not have, remember that was kind of the old Twitter before they changed up and got the algorithm advanced to where they went and, you know, I'll give you an example of an algorithm.
01:04:22.000Dinesh D'Souza, who's on Getter, and he brings the heat on social media, in my opinion.
01:05:24.000It's, you know, like 44 or so different categories of things, say for like a full-on pornography or something that's a beheading, you know, things that are just certain words, for example, that will get stopped immediately from getting posted.
01:05:45.000Certain things are in the category of, and again, it's, it's gotta be pretty darn strong for it to get, uh, for it to get blocked.
01:05:52.000But then things that are say between a, you know, five on the scale to nine on the scale, then go to human moderators to go and review.
01:05:59.000And what we have with, so the, all the human moderators who are part of Getter, number one, we, they go through a pretty extensive background check.
01:06:05.000So usually before someone gets onboarded, I want to say it's upwards of at least two or three weeks of going through to do a background check to make sure they're not going to be bringing some aspect of political bias to it.
01:06:17.000Are these Americans or foreign workers?
01:06:20.000So there are people, because keep in mind, I mean, we have people who are monitoring 14 languages right now.
01:06:25.000So I'll tell you that there's, you know, you're only going to find so many people in the U.S.
01:06:28.000who are monitoring Japanese, for example.
01:06:30.000So we have people, you know, but there'll be a lot of people in Australia and New Zealand who might be monitoring, you know, Japanese or even monitoring Mandarin or Arabic.
01:06:39.000But the other thing, too, is going through and then certain things the moderators might not know.
01:06:44.000So in addition to the background check, obviously, then we do the spot checks and making sure where things are.
01:06:50.000Certain things where there are going to be questions.
01:06:52.000And I've had things that are frivolous that get elevated up to our executive board.
01:06:57.000Then we have a six-person team that they do both a combination of Kind of the user interface folks, but as well as the legal people who kind of look through it where something has to get, we decide, okay, what's our posture going to be?
01:07:08.000Certain things then get brought to my attention.
01:07:09.000I'll tell you some of the things have been frivolous.
01:07:11.000Like on the first day, one of the moderation people came running up and, you know, Jason, Jason, someone just posted the picture of Hunter Biden with the feather boa and the tidy whities.
01:07:19.000And of course my answer on that is, look, I'm never going to tell the son of the president of the United States what he can and can't wear.
01:07:25.000In his pictures and I'm gonna defend his freedom to wear that feather boa.
01:07:29.000That's frivolous I'll tell you something that's not frivolous is after the Afghanistan Airport bombing Kabul where there were images that were posted of actual people blowing up like pretty good newsworthiness to that as much as so here is so going through that because this is this is like this is the type of decision that we have to sit down and make and Is that we are such an anti-terrorism, uh, anti-authoritarian regime.
01:07:53.000You can't go and sweep stuff under the rug.
01:07:55.000And look, a lot of our people are on board saying France and Germany have dealt with the terrorist bombings firsthand.
01:08:17.000Last night with our director of moderation where one of our verified users Showed somebody driving who was being shot in somewhere in the Middle East So it's actually the act of shooting the person and while in the single take They went up and opened the door and pulled out essentially a dead family with the kids So in that context said look because it's showing the act of killing them.
01:08:38.000We can't show that but if it's showing afterwards Hey, here's what happens on attack that the people are dead.
01:08:43.000That's that's where we decided to draw the draw the line It's tough, because I totally understand why people would be like, we don't want that on our platform, but there's a very important newsworthiness.
01:08:51.000Wouldn't a filter make, you know, be better?
01:08:54.000Maybe some kind of like, you know, you don't see it unless you opt in and click it.
01:08:57.000Or unless you decide to follow those people.
01:08:59.000Like, shouldn't people have the choice to say, I want to follow those people for this coverage?
01:09:02.000I don't want to derail from the point I'm making.
01:09:04.000The point I'm making is, in this world, if a serious moment happens, let's say we saw what happened with Aaron Danielson, a Trump supporter, was walking down the street and Antifa guy put two in his chest.
01:09:13.000As much as it's a gruesome act, I think people need to see, you know, the newsworthiness of this.
01:09:19.000This happened in this country, and if you restrict that, people won't believe it.
01:09:24.000You could go to someone and say, did you know that a far-left Antifa guy killed a dude?
01:09:27.000And they'll be like, show me the video.
01:10:03.000So that's I think I would need to I would need to watch that video again to go and see it But if it's my when I was thinking through I thought that he died shortly thereafter But if it's the actual act of him dying then the moment I think it's a little bit different when someone's exploding You know, that's the moment when they're dying as opposed to here's the process if I'm slowly having the oxygen.
01:10:24.000There's a video, you can't really see it perfectly, but you can see him walk up and he yells, we got him here, and then you hear bang bang, and then the guy, you see the gas go off, the explosion happens, when the tank like ruptures, and a Trump supporter, he's dead.
01:10:37.000When I talk to people about what's going on in the United States with rioting and violence, it's really easy to explain to them, you know, the fringe right element or ultra-traditionalist or whatever.
01:10:48.000That they do crazy things, ramming cars or shooting people.
01:10:50.000But trying to find evidence of Antifa when it's covered up by the media and they say it's lying is very difficult.
01:10:56.000So if we're trying to go on social media, if someone like Andy Ngo is on the ground and he films this, you guys would ban it.
01:11:04.000Uh, if it's again, where it's tough to do the hundred percent and again, we're going to, we'll get some things wrong and we're not always going to get it right every time we're continually reviewing it.
01:11:14.000Uh, and that's where when you see it, you'll know.
01:11:17.000But again, if it's, when you take like, you know, what happened to Andy, for example, and obviously he was beaten and, uh, he wasn't killed.
01:11:25.000Uh, obviously, but there, you know, uh, what happened with Andy that's, or if Andy was in a position of filming what happened to Andy, for example, obviously that'd be If they took his life in the street, you'd ban people from being able to see them doing it?
01:11:38.000Uh, our posture is that we would show the aftermath, but the moment of where someone's life is being taken, uh, the Floyd one, the Floyd one becomes a little bit more difficult.
01:11:48.000We're a lot of, uh, even a lot of the, and again, we're not the big news outlets, but we're a newsletter would show is here's part of the struggle that was happening.
01:11:58.000So, That's maybe to clarify and again that's why it's tough to even say here's the broad generalization because it's right now with our kind of our North Star so to speak and dealing with this is at that moment where someone's life is being taken that should not be shown but obviously here is the the carnage in the aftermath of what happened
01:12:20.000These are the tough decisions you have to make when you're running a platform because at a certain point you have to decide, and that's why I said not everyone's going to agree with you on every single time.
01:12:31.000In order to defend our mission of having the political free speech and allowing people to go way further and not have the political discrimination exercised against them, there has to be that certain point where you're looking and saying, here's the line.
01:12:46.000I personally disagree with that policy, but I respect you standing firm and saying that's your policy and people who are listening can decide for themselves if that's a deal breaker or not.
01:12:57.000I certainly think there's value in the fact that you're allowed to talk about news.
01:13:02.000Outside of that context that Twitter doesn't allow.
01:13:04.000That Joe Rogan would be able to talk with Dr. Robert Malone on Getter.
01:13:08.000So I suppose people should have to navigate that stuff.
01:13:10.000But let's talk about... I gotta ask you about a specific individual as it pertains to all these policies.
01:13:17.000You say that people will not be treated differently.
01:13:20.000But a lot of people are asking why Nick Fuentes was banned from Getter.
01:14:06.000And we've gone through and found the Twitter handles and other things for, you know, the Ayatollah, or Hamas, or Hezbollah, or some of these other folks, and blocked those accounts on Getter so they can't go and create it.
01:14:17.000Obviously, someone could try to work around and find it, but if we find that, we're going to go and kick it off.
01:14:21.000But if you're the way that we look at if you're part of a group that the only reason for existing is to go and try to cause harm to other people, that's going to make this an environment that's going to go and scare people and make them not feel safe.
01:14:34.000I just want to know what specific term of service was that a violation of?
01:14:42.000Uh, that would go into, or I would say that many people would be concerned that if you're turning, uh, getter effectively into the, uh, okay.
01:14:50.000What's the specific term of service that he violated with that post?
01:14:55.000Uh, so that, that would go into, um, as we talk about, uh, a white nationalist group, you talk about what that impact is going to be for say people of different races or religions.
01:15:05.000So that because the presence of a white nationalist would be negative to another group, you've banned him.
01:15:20.000I would say if you went on there and said that, say, any group that's viewed as existing only to go and hate on people who are of a different race or religion, and you try to turn Getter into a recruitment zone, then we'd kick you off as well.
01:15:52.000But the issue here is, posting on Getter saying, you know, are there any other Grapers doesn't seem like he was targeting, offending, attacking, or recruiting.
01:16:01.000It just was like, hey, who's in the house?
01:16:03.000And it seems to me that you guys probably banned him for a PR issue.
01:16:09.000And this is my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you're worried that you'll get kicked out of the Play Store, that you'll get negative ramifications from Big Tech and Silicon Valley, and the only real reason to get rid of them was the threat from the establishment media.
01:16:33.000Sure, but what you just described to us would mean that anyone who's woke is banned because they routinely, their ideology specifically calls out the idea of whiteness.
01:16:41.000They're calling out white as a negative thing.
01:16:46.000And so if someone goes on Getter and says, who here is a Black Lives Matter supporter?
01:16:52.000I would say if anyone is going out there, obviously the little bit of difference on some of the BLM, I think there are people who have participated, saying some of the marks, but if people are going out there, look, if you're saying that you're part of a group and the only reason for being a part of the group is to hate on someone who is of a different race or religion, we're not gonna allow it to become a recruiting zone.
01:17:13.000There are a lot of left-wing groups that specifically do that.
01:17:18.000But there's a difference when you talk about some of the... Look, and we have libs and lefties and different people on the platform, but it's different between going on there and saying, I support some liberal ideology.
01:17:33.000If you had somebody on there saying, look, they want to be a part of a group, that their only mission was to go and try to take down white people or take down people of some other race or religion, then we kick them off as well.
01:17:44.000So, I mean, these writers, these... So, like, Robin D'Angelo's banned from Getter.
01:17:50.000I don't know Robin, so... So, you know, she writes about whiteness and criticizes whiteness.
01:17:55.000And so, Ibram X. Kendi, he's banned from Getter.
01:17:57.000I would have to see what they're writing.
01:18:06.000Like in his book, he actually says the solution to past discrimination is present discrimination.
01:18:10.000The solution to present discrimination is future discrimination.
01:18:14.000So if he signed up, you'd be like, you're gone.
01:18:16.000If it was someone, and again, I'd want to see the specific example to see how that's written, but the way that you described it on that, then we would not allow someone like that on the platform.
01:18:23.000It sounds like you're actually way more strict than Twitter.
01:18:26.000No, I would disagree and say that what Twitter is trying... So here's the difference.
01:18:32.000When we set out with the platform and we have our vision of what we're trying to do here, make sure people go and express their opinions and not get kicked off and say that one ideology is accepted, but another ideology, for example, is not accepted.
01:18:46.000Twitter looks and says, we want to form the world in a certain viewpoint.
01:18:49.000We want to have people go in this certain direction.
01:19:07.000We have to make sure it's safe for people.
01:19:09.000And he said the reason they have the misgendering policy is because trans people feel unsafe by people questioning transgender ideology or transgender dysphoria.
01:19:20.000No, because I think it's totally different, because what they're saying is they're going into places, say like in the public policy space, and they're saying that our viewpoint is allowed, but another viewpoint is not.
01:19:32.000But when you're going into a place, and again, whether you're going in there and effectively attacking another group, Or if you're representing a group that is about attacking people, we're not going to allow that to happen.
01:19:44.000So if someone would say white people are inferior or white people are crackers, would you ban them for that speech?
01:19:59.000No, if you went and said, yes, if you went and said something like, yes, like to a particular group, then we'd take that post down depending on the severity of the post that was there, depending if the user has their account suspended.
01:20:09.000So what about someone like Abigail Schreier, is that her name?
01:20:13.000She wrote the book on transgender children.
01:20:16.000Would she be allowed to be on the platform talking about gender dysphoria in children?
01:20:20.000So on, so again, not familiar with that, that particular author, but there's a difference between, there's a difference between someone being an idiot and being wrong and someone who's actively, um, uh, representing, uh, actively making the platform unsafe for someone else to be on.
01:20:35.000So for example, uh, someone going on there saying, Hey, here's my idiotic left to center woke teaching, for example.
01:20:42.000But if they're going out and saying that.
01:20:45.000Essentially suggesting harm, physical harm or physical threat on another community, then you can't allow that.
01:20:52.000So if you have someone, like YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, they have these policies on protecting the trans community.
01:21:00.000If someone on Getter said something like, children should not be allowed to undergo gender reassignment, that doctors who are giving them these chemicals are wrong, and all of these medical treatments should be taken away from these children and their parents should be arrested, would that be allowed on the platform?
01:21:18.000I have short answers the way that you've described it, yes.
01:21:30.000It sounds like the exact same conversation.
01:21:32.000The difference being, Jack says, in our view of the world, what we prioritize, we've decided to keep the platform safe and ban these people.
01:21:40.000And it just sounds like you have a different view of what you think is going to be safe or not safe.
01:21:44.000So, probably as a more conservative leading individual, when I bring up that stuff about trans kids, you're like, oh, we'd allow that.
01:22:05.000Trust me, I get the questions all day long, but here is, I think there's a complete different because our philosophy is we want to have a place where people can come and bring their, their hottest takes and whether they want to take, whether it be politically incorrect, whether it be again, come from the left or the right, where they don't have to worry about someone coming in and editorializing and saying, well, this is my position.
01:22:25.000This is how I view the world, uh, with regard to, uh, you know, this is whether it be, you know, again, you know, I was used like COVID or voting or whatever the case.
01:22:33.000Or look, if you want to come and talk about, you know, kind of pro-wokism type stuff or left to center, we do not look at it and say, we want this opinion, but we don't want that opinion.
01:22:42.000That's the difference between us and big tech.
01:22:44.000Big tech is coming in, whether it be Twitter, Facebook, everyone else, they're putting up the warnings.
01:22:50.000It is not our place to go and editorialize and say that this person's political viewpoint is right and this person's is wrong.
01:22:58.000Unless it goes against diversity, inclusivity, and equity.
01:23:01.000Hold on, I don't think that's a fair description.
01:23:04.000Let's take the immigration debate, for example.
01:23:09.000Countless people have been kicked off.
01:23:10.000I mean, take a look at what's happening in France right now.
01:23:12.000I think part of the reason even why Eric Zemore, who's a conservative candidate who's running for president in France, has joined Getter, because what he's talking about is already the problems caused by migration, other things that are happening.
01:23:24.000And he would get suspended or kicked off by saying half of that stuff on Twitter, because they don't want you to talk about the reality of, say, immigration, the problems that are caused.
01:23:34.000And again, whether it's legal or illegal, or what's going on.
01:23:37.000Getter, you're going to be able to go and express yourself and talk about these issues.
01:23:40.000Now, if you want to take the next step about, I want to cause harm to somebody, we could then... But what does that mean, harm?
01:23:49.000Well, I mean, obviously we have a number of different categories in there.
01:23:53.000If you went and said that everyone who has this skin color is bad, I think that we would go to remove that post.
01:24:02.000So that's, I mean, that's very much...
01:24:08.000Obviously, I think very few people in the United States like racism.
01:24:14.000There was a really great point- I mean, there are racists in this country, don't get me wrong.
01:24:16.000And there was a really great point made on Tucker Carlson's show where one of his guests, he brought a leftist- a lefty person who said, Tucker, would you allow someone to come on here and make racist comments?
01:24:48.000If you say it's about free speech, then often what we've brought up is, you know, on this show, and many anarchists have said this, and many conservatives, then the only speech that should be banned is if it crosses a legal threshold, not an opinion threshold, even if we really despise those opinions.
01:25:02.000So for instance, I despise white nationalists.
01:25:06.000I think, and I really hate the woke people, but there is a real strength to diversity if you're talking about the actual core of diversity of viewpoint, which can come from people around the world and things like this.
01:25:16.000But as much as I despise their opinions, I think banning that just leads us down a slippery slope of authoritarianism.
01:25:22.000And if conservatives who are creating alternatives still uphold Silicon Valley's worldview, even if it's a little bit less, in 10 years, it will just keep getting worse.
01:25:32.000Um, and the reason on that is what Big Tech and Silicon Valley are doing, they're trying to push people in a certain direction and say, here's what, in the YouTube, the climate change, we're joking about it, um, uh, before the show, but it's actually a very serious point because that is where it's expanded beyond, okay, here's Trump and we're going to be mad at him for January 6th or something of that nature.
01:25:53.000Or this is, you know, causing some kind of, you know, sedition or some kind of illegal activity.
01:25:58.000They're not going into the public policy space, and they're saying, if you agree with our position, we're all worldview.
01:26:03.000And it might not even be that granular.
01:26:04.000Start going to see whether it be, you know, trans or immigration or, you know, different issues like that.
01:26:15.000So, yeah, just, I guess your point, and I think it's still a good thing, and I hate to be, You know, we have the opportunity to bring Rumble's CEO on and you on, and it becomes this, like, negative, critical thing, but we would never get this opportunity with Zuckerberg or, you know, Wojcicki or whoever the CEO of Twitter is.
01:26:32.000And so that's one thing I think is important to point out.
01:26:35.000We should be careful about, you know, being overly critical and potentially damaging to opportunities.
01:26:41.000If Getter still has the same rules or similar rules to Twitter in this regard, but doesn't editorialize political opinion in regard to policy and stuff, That I'd rather use Getter and I think it's a good thing.
01:26:52.000That being said, I think in the bigger picture, we need alternatives and decentralization in social media space that doesn't make ethical decisions for what people are allowed to say.
01:27:06.000You know, in your view, you think it's unsafe for people if someone comes on and doesn't like their skin color.
01:27:11.000I don't know if unsafe is the right word.
01:27:12.000I don't know if I would agree with that if someone says bad things about someone of a race.
01:27:19.000I wouldn't want to associate with them and I would vote against them and I would encourage my friends to vote against them if they want to bring those policies up.
01:27:25.000But I fear a society where we have homogenized, you know, we are increasingly homogenizing the moral pathway.
01:27:34.000So let me take a slightly different take on that.
01:27:37.000And again, as I mentioned earlier, we have a global platform, about half of the US, a little more than half outside.
01:27:42.000One of the things where part of the reason why some of the alternative, the challenger platform, so to speak, have never taken off is because they've been viewed as an echo chamber.
01:27:49.000And in saying that, you know, this is just a white nationalist playground, something of that nature.
01:27:55.000If you actually want to go and have debates, you want to have people that are going to participate and be in there, the message has to be sent.
01:28:02.000You have to have the spirit of the platform that you can come on here and you can have your unfiltered political take and you can go and criticize people, go and do your thing.
01:28:11.000But people aren't concerned that they're going to become harmed by something that happens from the platform.
01:28:16.000But you mean harmed like they'll see a mean thing?
01:28:20.000No, not a mean thing, but I'm saying because real quickly, as we talk about it again, if Getter was allowed to become, like I said, the OkCupid of the social media space for white nationalists, then that's going to go and tell people, massive people, that this is not an actual place for free speech.
01:28:45.000You could choose what you want to hear, who you want to be subscribed to.
01:28:47.000So if you don't want to see that, you just simply don't subscribe to them.
01:28:50.000And then my bigger kind of question that's a little bit more pointed is, you know, a lot of people feel let down by big tech, by social media, arbitrarily censoring speech all in the name of safety.
01:29:00.000You're talking about, you know, respecting free speech.
01:29:03.000Other than just words and promises, are there any reinsurances that you could give the people here today that you won't become like the next Twitter or Facebook?
01:29:11.000Yeah, no, that's a very fair question.
01:29:12.000I'd say a couple of things you can look at, I would say, take a look at right now.
01:29:16.000Some of those names that I pointed out earlier, I've taken a look, whether it's Dr. Malone or Alex Jones or Steve Bannon or people that are on the platform.
01:29:22.000And again, my goal and right now, obviously, Naomi Wolf is not, you know, the extreme on, say, like on the on the left side, but we have had actually a number of feminists from the UK who've joined the platform because they even they've gotten fed up with some of the big tech.
01:29:35.000Our goal as we expand, I want people from the left.
01:29:37.000I want people from the center, want people from the right, want people all over.
01:29:41.000One of the things we're doing, I kind of touched on this earlier, is we're going to start, we're working on it.
01:29:46.000Again, we've only been around six months, but that's not an excuse because we're always, I mean, we're going to be judged against platforms that have been around for a lot longer, is start publishing more of the specific community guidelines of things so people understand kind of where those areas are.
01:29:58.000But the mission that everyone on our team has, whether it's on the team, whether it's a moderator, everybody, There are two litmus tests if you're going to be a part of Getter, as far as our team or anyone on board.
01:30:09.000Number one, do you support free speech?
01:30:12.000Number two, do you oppose cancel culture and wokeism?
01:30:15.000Those are the two things, doesn't matter what country you're in, doesn't matter what your background is, those are the two principles that you're going to be on board.
01:30:22.000And everybody, either you're on board with that or you're not part of the platform.
01:30:26.000I'll say up front, I really like competing businesses, especially in the social media sphere, but some issues I basically right away is like, without limitation, the ability to ban anyone that is deemed offensive or inappropriate.
01:30:40.000As a private company, I feel like you should be able to ban anyone at any time, whatever.
01:30:44.000When we talk about free speech and social networking, I believe it's not about the terms of service because you could quit, another guy could come in and be like, well, no, that's offensive.
01:31:15.000I can't trust that unless I can inspect the code.
01:31:17.000Well, part of that, look, Part of that is, so a couple of things here, is you start moving toward, which again we hope to be an IPO within a couple years here, you know we're about six months in, about two years, when you start moving toward going into, and obviously we want to be a public company,
01:31:34.000The comments and the positions are taken by the leadership CEO, other people, their ramifications, if you're not accurate and tell people.
01:31:41.000So if you were to go out and say that there's no shadowbanning, no algorithming, and they find out that as the CEO, you're saying that, but that is happening, then there are, I mean, you know, the Sarbane-Oxley type things on crack that would go and that you'd be in real actual trouble.
01:31:55.000So there is an actual method where if you're putting out untrue statements, then there are real ramifications.
01:32:01.000You could see how, like Fauci said, I never said we did gain of function, we just added function to the bat.
01:32:06.000So you could say we're not shadowbanning, but be doing something similar to shadowbanning and people wouldn't know.
01:32:11.000No, but also part of that, look, one of the things, I mean, I don't want to put you on the defensive, it's not about what you say, it's that I can't trust you.
01:32:36.000But the reality is, there's no real way for us to know that these platforms are being fair and honest in their algorithms unless they do release all the code.
01:32:44.000So you're right from the aspect that the transparency from the aspect of what's going on, that's critical.
01:32:51.000If you want to go and have the trust and verification, I do think that for some of the bigger users and people we have on the platform, those are pretty good signals about how we're judging, how we're treating things.
01:33:00.000I also think that myself as a CEO, the fact that I've gone into the proverbial lion's den, whether that's sitting down with Kara Swisher for three hours, We're sitting down with, uh, uh, you know, the, the Timcast folks for a couple hours that you have to go out there and say, here's what the, the spirit is, and here's what we're doing.
01:33:19.000And then you have to make sure that you go and everybody on the team goes in the exact same position.
01:33:23.000If they're not, then they'll get fired.
01:33:26.000And that is, uh, that is exactly where we're at.
01:33:29.000And so one of the things that we're doing again, cause the terms of service, just be clear on this, because when we first can have the terms of service, And we started going through and that was kind of to your point, Ian, was, well, what, you know, this looks legally like this looks very, and again, with the lawyer said, I'm not a lawyer, but obviously I spent a lot of money now on lawyers.
01:33:46.000What they said is that, well, because you can't go into a court of law on someone, if you have a contract with someone and just say, well, here, here are my feelings, for example.
01:33:55.000Because they'll say that's BS, there's very specific language, because this is your contract with someone.
01:34:00.000Where we are going to, this was the point that I made a moment ago, when we start publishing more of the Community Guidelines so people know within the exact things there, as far as certain statements and what's allowed, what's not permitted, they will have a better understanding of that.
01:34:13.000We should have had that out there at the beginning.
01:34:31.000And the second question is, what's your strategy against being influenced by the ESG environmental social governance score when your company does go public?
01:34:42.000I will take them in reverse order again.
01:34:45.000I will admit, at least since we're a little ways away from the going public, some of the details on that I'm not an expert on.
01:34:51.000I'll just tell you that I don't have that.
01:34:53.000Where I typically get into more of the battles is what's going on now where we see certain countries that are starting to say, you have to go and allow certain things.
01:35:00.000Now, Obviously, we have to make sure that we are abiding by, say, a country's laws.
01:35:05.000So, for example, what's permitted, if it's a country that we care about, I mean, that's part of it, because there might be some countries that might say, hey, if you allow this on the platform, then we're not going to have you here.
01:35:14.000We might say, well, we're not changing anything just for you guys.
01:35:16.000So, obviously, you've got to take on kind of the country by country basis.
01:35:20.000But some of that with the ESG part I admittedly can't speak to quite as well.
01:35:26.000It's big investment firms coming to companies saying you need to abide by this rule and this rule and we're going to implement this policy and give you all this institutional money when you promote this agenda.
01:35:38.000I mean, when you talk about kind of other things or kind of the spirit, even if you go to our logo, the getter, the torch with the flame, what that represents, that's about bringing lightness to dark, about bringing freedom and democracy to places where they don't have it.
01:35:49.000So for example, one of the things we want to do, I still fundamentally think, look, I'm not like a I wouldn't say that I have rose-colored glasses on.
01:35:58.000I still think that social media can be a force for good for expanding democracy and taking down authoritarian regimes around the world.
01:36:06.000I would love for people in China to rise up and take down the CCP.
01:36:10.000I would love for people to have that freedom of expression, that thought, because here's the deal.
01:36:15.000As soon as you start taking away people's ability to communicate, their ability to speak, You're basically at China.
01:36:22.000I mean, that's basically where you are.
01:36:24.000Or you're in Iran, or wherever the case may be.
01:36:34.000But to the point, if someone came in and said, hey, we want to go and buy you guys, but we're going to transition you guys into a bunch of wokesters or something, we'd tell them to go pound sand.
01:36:41.000Let me go to the funding, because I want to make sure that I take this head on.
01:36:46.000So we're backed by multiple international investment firms, one that's based in London, one that's based in New Jersey.
01:36:53.000We have additional people that we're currently doing rounds of meetings to go and chat with about additional investments that are coming in.
01:37:00.000There's no CCP money, uh, that's involved in this.
01:37:03.000Um, and that's one of the things where I think just quite frankly, look, when
01:37:07.000you search to number one, you got a big old target on your back.
01:37:09.000Everyone's going to take shots at you.
01:37:10.000The specific name that's frequently brought up as miles glow, who is
01:37:14.000a here in the U S on political asylum.
01:37:17.000Uh, he has someone who's a very strong ally, uh, of the company.
01:37:20.000He's someone who's a, uh, very much a, uh, kindred spirit as far as, I mean, literally he took a song, uh, on iTunes called take down the CCP to number one.
01:38:13.000He is not someone who goes and says this is what the policy is going to be or not going to be or that case.
01:38:18.000But look, here's the thing is, When you come in, you become a marketplace disruptor.
01:38:23.000When you come in, not just taking on the big tech, but you go and there are other people who are saying that viewed as more in the center, right type space or people who are challenger platforms, everyone starts shooting at you.
01:38:33.000And so people go and, uh, obviously there are a lot of things that put out from other platforms.
01:38:38.000And I think that, uh, it's sad if they think that all of a sudden people are going to, Oh, I'm not going to go to get her, but I'm going to go to your platform.
01:38:44.000Uh, but look, uh, this is, this is the NFL.
01:38:47.000Yeah, you said what I was going to say earlier that social media is a great opportunity to solve this authoritarian dictatorship crisis on earth.
01:39:22.000When I was going through the, when I started first chatting with, um, uh, the shareholders and people putting together together, uh, over the, this last spring.
01:39:30.000And we chatted, I probably spent three or four months talking to him before I left President Trump and came on board with Getter.
01:39:37.000And part of the thing is I really want to kick the tires on some of these questions because, look, if I'm going to go and put my reputation on the line and bring people onto this and go out and say, hey, you need to come to Getter.
01:39:56.000You got to make sure that you're pretty solid.
01:39:57.000And I remember asking a question during the process, during the interview process, when I kind of turned it around and said, if there is an opportunity here to enter into a new country where we can get 10 million new users, or, but we're going to have to kowtow in some way to the CCP, or we could say no to entering into this country, but we can go and make progress on taking down the CCP, but we miss out on 10 million new customers.
01:40:46.000Waffles Sensei says, Jason, can you promise publicly and in the written policy that when you are forced to censor content because your team finds it too egregious to remain on the platform, that you will offer an easy path to forgiveness and a limit on the amount of time you can ban someone?
01:41:03.000One of the things where we have not done an effective job enough with people is notifying them for exactly for how long a suspension will be or what exactly.
01:41:13.000And I will say that, look, as the CEO, some of that will come on me of saying it should have that tightened up more by now.
01:41:19.000So I will say that making it clear to someone, here's how long the suspension will be, it was mainly about the duration?
01:41:29.000Well, so what they're asking for is a path of forgiveness, right?
01:41:32.000With Twitter, if you break the rules, you get a life sentence.
01:41:36.000And so one of the things that Dorsey had talked about in the past that he never implemented was there would always be a time limit.
01:41:42.000That you could post the most egregious thing and they wouldn't boot you permanently from the platform.
01:41:46.000It might just be like a year suspension or two years or three or there would be some path to redemption so you can come back on the platform.
01:41:53.000So I think, I think this is a great question.
01:41:55.000I would say that there, I say that for many cases, there should be a path of forgiveness.
01:42:04.000So for example, if you go put up a, uh, and again, we can sit here and do the back and forth on which examples, but say for example, like you post child born or something like that.
01:42:47.000So say, for example, if you had the Ayatollah, for example.
01:42:51.000So the Ayatollah says, OK, we're banning, you know, at I hate Israel or whatever the Ayatollah's account is.
01:42:57.000But then he pops in as Steve from Iran, and he keeps spouting off the same nonsense.
01:43:05.000That's a quick example of where it's not always quite that easy.
01:43:09.000If it's the same nonsense, you keep banning it.
01:43:10.000But if it comes on with an innocuous channel and is like, hey, I'm back, sorry.
01:43:15.000I'm not going to make that mistake again.
01:43:17.000That's kind of like, for me, the on-ramp to redemption.
01:43:19.000I think, I think that, I think that more of what that, uh, the, the user question that just post on the, on the super chat, I think is more accurate.
01:43:27.000And I think that's, uh, as I'm thinking through that here, that's, I think that's a smart point.
01:43:34.000I'm just looking through the Super Chats trying to make sure I can find good questions.
01:43:38.000A lot of the Super Chats people are asking about Nick Fuentes, and a lot of them we addressed.
01:43:42.000I am going to bring him back up in other contexts, but I want to make sure we get to some good questions.
01:43:50.000Captain says, would you take down the JFK assassination video if it was posted?
01:43:56.000I would say that if it's the, that's a great question, I would say if it's showing the moment at which JFK, I'd say to be consistent with where we are in the others, if it's the moment of the bullet entering him, then being consistent with the others, and that's not something that we'd have up.
01:44:15.000Matt Price says, if someone wanted to post the passing of a loved family member, maybe at the request of the family member to share their last words, would that get banned?
01:45:11.000I just don't want to think about this because if I say one thing, then people say, well, you know, has it been already updated or what's going on?
01:45:19.000These are great points, but again, it's the act of taking someone's life at that moment where we have said that this is, that's not what we want to show on the platform.
01:45:28.000All right, so we've got... Bugoff says, does Getter ban all racial nationalists regardless of color?
01:45:36.000So if it's, say for example, if they're... Black nationalists, like the Nation of Islam, like Farrakhan, he's banned.
01:45:45.000Farrakhan, yes, he is someone who is banned.
01:45:48.000If you went in and used a... If you go and use a racial slur against white people, for example, yes, you're going to be kicked off and you're going to be banned.
01:45:56.000Well, he uses racial slurs for Jewish people.
01:46:20.000Because you mentioned that religious groups would be protected.
01:46:22.000What if, you know, someone came in and said, if you're not a Christian, you're bad, you're a bad, bad person, and all nations should be only Christian.
01:46:37.000There are, we have plenty of people who are on Getter who say that your path to salvation is through Christ and anything else you're not going to have unless you have salvation through Christ.
01:46:55.000And that is, and you were talking about that, that is your religious belief.
01:47:00.000There's a difference, I think, between that and, obviously, I'm not an expert.
01:47:07.000Well, I'm asking about nationals specifically.
01:47:09.000Like, so you see those guys who have the big signs that say, you're going to burn, you're evil, you're a sinner.
01:47:13.000It's very different from like, you know, most people I know who are religious, you know, they're like, I understand, you know, you have to find your own path to salvation.
01:47:29.000Would you ban that phrase, for instance?
01:47:31.000I think where... God wills it, it means.
01:47:33.000If it comes where you are wishing the harm to somebody else, but if you're saying, here's my religious teaching, and again, I can use the example because I obviously have much better sense on the Christianity part, that our group, say, if you're saying that through this relationship with Christ, that's how you're going to heaven.
01:47:54.000I think that's different if it's a difference if you're talking about your religious belief, your religious position, but then you're going in effectively wishing harm than on another group.
01:48:04.000Take that exact statement that your path to salvation is only through, you know, Christ.
01:48:28.000The black nationalism, again, if it's... And I don't mean a single, I just mean like a racial connotation, any race, Asian nationalism or whatever.
01:48:38.000So again, it's, uh, look, there is a, um, where I've not done the deeper dive is on the, uh, the racial nationalism, the way, cause one of the things we want to make sure, look again, we're, we're up in operating number of countries.
01:48:49.000We have people who are, um, Hindu nationalists, for example, that are on the platform very much.
01:48:53.000Uh, India is one of our big expansion countries.
01:48:55.000In fact, I'm, I'm going there in March.
01:48:57.000Um, and we have a lot of people who are in fact, uh, the Hindu ecosystem, for example, is one of the big accounts that has just joined in there, signing up a lot of folks in India to help out.
01:49:06.000Obviously, there's a lot of strife and turmoil with both the Hindu and Muslim communities, both in India and around.
01:49:13.000And yeah, a lot of people, again, who are Hindu nationalists, for example, on the religious side.
01:49:19.000The racial side, I think, is different.
01:49:24.000I think through, so say for somebody who came in and had the, so BLM's not a religion.
01:49:56.000He's never, so this is what we're getting in comments.
01:49:58.000They're saying Nick Fuentes has never stated that there is a race better than another race, that white people are better, nor that he's identified as a white nationalist.
01:50:07.000And I'm not saying it's true, because I don't know.
01:50:09.000I'm just telling you what the comments are asking you.
01:50:11.000They're wondering why you are accusing him when they say the accusation is false.
01:50:16.000Well, I would say, look, even if someone off the street who I didn't know, but they were making an effort to go and recruit.
01:50:23.000Well, let me just ask you, have you ever seen or heard anything from Nick Fuentes that was white nationalism?
01:50:27.000Like, have you directly heard from him specifically?
01:50:30.000I have a limited volume of things that I've seen from Nick Fuentes.
01:50:35.000Obviously, I've seen him use some words that would not be allowed on our platform, some racial slurs that would not be allowed on our platform.
01:50:42.000But the point is, even if it wasn't Fuentes, anyone else who came in and made a similar comment or was trying to organize or pull people together who were in a group that's identified as... Who identified them as white nationalists?
01:50:58.000I gotta be completely honest, I don't know a whole lot about what Gropers are.
01:51:01.000And I'll admit, it's not a community I've spent a ton of time that I've seen, but I've seen a number of writings and things where that's how that group has been defined.
01:51:12.000So you're saying because the media has called them white nationalists, you've banned Nick Fuentes?
01:51:17.000No, I'd say that, save for the fact that if you're out there trying to organize and collect with a group, that I don't even think it's just the media.
01:51:25.000I mean, look at many people who've self-ID'd as being part of that group or part of that ideology.
01:51:31.000Bro, I don't think you got an argument here, man.
01:52:14.000I thought you were going to come on and be like, look, Nick Fuentes said this and he said this.
01:52:20.000And you got to understand, we did research on Grapers and found this, but you don't even have that.
01:52:25.000Look, and I'm going to say on this that you're not going to make everyone happy when you're running a social media platform and people are going to have different opinions.
01:52:32.000So your opinion might be that, hey, that that's BS.
01:52:36.000There are other people are going to say, look, these guys are making sure that this is a safe platform and we respect what they're doing.
01:52:41.000They're giving us that ability to have that political free speech.
01:52:44.000And look, we might just disagree on this one.
01:52:46.000I just feel like, look, I can, you know, I'll stress it again.
01:52:50.000I do believe that Getter is likely to censor less than Twitter is.
01:52:55.000But I also kind of feel like if you can't give us a direct quote from Nick Fuentes that got him banned, explain to us in detail what a groper is or how you know what it is, then it just sounds to me that the moment the media piles up on me or Luke or anybody else, you'll ban us too.
01:53:11.000I understand they pile up on Nick Fuentes more than anybody else.
01:53:14.000But there's, hold on, hold on, but there is, there is a difference between taking a very pointed political take, uh, or saying this is, uh, and, uh, going into the other direction.
01:53:28.000And so, uh, we've made very clear that we are never going to shadow ban or algorithm or go and use different standards for people based on their political beliefs.
01:53:39.000No, I get it, man, but I mean, I still don't understand why you banned Nick Fuentes.
01:53:44.000Like, you're saying Groepers are bad, you're saying he's a white national and stuff, and I'm like, oh, I mean, Wikipedia says that, I guess.
01:53:50.000But isn't it important that, you know, you guys actually have a definitive, this broke the rules?
01:53:56.000Like, when Luke asked you, what did he say that broke the rules?
01:53:58.000A lot of people are asking the same question.
01:54:03.000What term, specifically, did he break?
01:54:05.000And if, and if you're, you know, you respond to something, the fact of, you know, gripers are white nationalists and they're a hateful group and he's recruiting.
01:54:11.000So, you know, Nation of Islam would be banned as well.
01:54:15.000And so this will be, and this is where I told you, I said, look, we should have had our, uh, the more specific community guidelines go into specific examples.
01:54:23.000We should have already had that posted and up.
01:54:24.000That's one of the things we're working on now.
01:54:26.000Uh, and we'll have that up very shortly.
01:54:30.000Cause again, the, the terms of service are always going to be more general because that's your legal contract.
01:54:35.000Yeah, you know, this kind of stuff's tough because Dr. Malone gets banned from Twitter for talking about his opinions as a scientist and a researcher, as an expert.
01:54:46.000He goes on Joe Rogan and he mentions that he's using Getter and Getter allows him to be on the platform.
01:54:53.000He's been on for, I think, a month, month and a half, something like that.
01:54:55.000And so, you know, one of the things I said about Rumble is that, for the time being, I think most people should recognize all of these platforms have similar rules to a certain degree, but there's like certain political bubbles where you're allowed some more leeway than others.
01:55:11.000That being said, Getter I think is a net positive, but I gotta say it's not confidence building that...
01:55:18.000I know how the media is going to spin this.
01:55:51.000And maybe look, I mean, maybe this is maybe this goes in that category from the previous one that you mentioned that is this a period of time as opposed to, um, Uh, as opposed to being indefinite.
01:56:03.000And that's one of the things we'll have to go and discuss.
01:56:05.000But, but again, your point, Tim, I think it seems that you're getting to is how do you know that things won't change?
01:56:11.000How do you know the rug will get pulled out from, uh, from, and look, you can make the same point or criticism about any platform.
01:56:19.000Ultimately you have to point to who are the people, uh, that are on the platform.
01:56:23.000Uh, what are the debates that are being allowed to happen that are different from other platforms?
01:56:28.000And also, I think, what is your mission statement?
01:56:32.000And I think what we do on that, both the people on the platform and the debates that are being allowed to happen there, I think is different from anywhere else.
01:56:38.000Yeah, but free speech is free speech, not speech that's going to keep you safe.
01:56:42.000And I think there's a distinction to make here.
01:56:44.000And I think just being transparent and open, especially when it comes to major decisions, would be a major step forward for any big tech company that would reassure people exactly what's happening behind the scenes and the decisions why they're made.
01:56:56.000So I think that's what Tim's trying to get at.
01:56:58.000And I think the transparency part, I think, is very fair.
01:57:02.000And I think that where we want to be is better than any of the other companies that are running social media platforms.
01:57:08.000There's a lot of things to say about this.
01:57:10.000There's deep philosophical and moral questions, notably that over time society's moral standards change, and that may be occurring now.
01:57:19.000You look back 200 years ago and there are things nobody in this country would agree with or say because morally we changed, and we changed a lot.
01:57:27.000So now you have unification in, you know, a lot of social media, any of the big players that outright say like, you know, hateful content that causes harm.
01:57:37.000That seems to be like a universal standard, but it's a standard typically among powerful elites.
01:57:42.000If it weren't for the internet, there would be no smaller voices retaining the views and values they hold.
01:57:48.000Over time, the big machine would just churn those away, and the moral standard of society would just completely flip, and there would be no say from the peasants.
01:57:56.000The lower class, the plebs, would have no right to speak as to what the moral standards are.
01:58:03.000Because of social media, people are able to retain views and values that other people don't like, and it's breeding into this fissure, this fracturing.
01:58:12.000So I guess to kind of get to my point is, personally, I detest and despise racism.
01:58:38.000They said the Black Panther film was diverse because it was all black people, and I'm like, that's not diverse at all.
01:58:43.000But hold on, let me go and say one thing here.
01:58:47.000Look, I am proud of the work that we've done with Getter.
01:58:49.000We've launched what we built this to with four and a half million people.
01:58:52.000And I will tell you that Getter is by far the best free speech platform that You look at the fact, our platform is so much smoother and so much better than anything out there that strives to provide free speech.
01:59:08.000And what we've been able to put together, I think is top notch.
01:59:12.000And the fact that this is something where people are going to make sure that we're going to make sure that people do not have their political voices censored as we go into whether it be the midterms, whether we're going to 2024, that this platform that we're doing, and here's our thing, Tim.
01:59:27.000Getter is what we're going to make sure, how we protect free speech in places like, whether it be France, whether it be places like Brazil, places like India, or anywhere else.
01:59:39.000This is the one that's going to protect free speech, and it's the best thing that people are going to have, because here's the thing.
01:59:44.000Here's, again, I know I said this once before, not trying to go in circles, but I got to go and make this point.
01:59:49.000We are the one company that has The technology is as good or better of anything that big tech is doing that wakes up every day You say how do we make sure we protect free speech and oppose cancel culture?
02:00:02.000We're the only one that can go do that and go toe-to-toe with big tech I think, you know, a lot of people have mentioned Gab uses the First Amendment as their standard for, you know, moderation.
02:00:14.000I think, you know, we've talked quite a bit about this.
02:00:16.000If the speech is legal, the speech should be allowed.
02:00:20.000And if it's illegal, then it's illegal.
02:00:22.000And then the moderator should take it down and forward it to law enforcement.
02:00:25.000There's also some leeway I think we can make, like doxing, for instance.
02:00:29.000Doxing's another thing that's listed specifically in the Terms of Service, where, and I'll tell you, there's... That's universally despised, you know?
02:00:35.000Yeah, I mean, look, there's, again, it's something that's serious.
02:00:39.000Obviously, we took the post down, but there's a certain reporter that always makes very personal comments about me that I really don't like.
02:00:46.000And someone posted the fact that he lives with his parents and here's the address
02:00:49.000Obviously the second we saw that that thing came down and that person was suspended. We can't you know, never do that
02:00:56.000So no the doxxing stuff is there but you know, the one other thing to keep in mind, too
02:01:00.000Is it also we have we're we're playing globally here. So we also have so for example, we're Jack Dorsey said to me
02:01:06.000It's a reality I mean, it doesn't just I mean, look, Jack's not wrong at every single thing they said.
02:01:12.000I mean, for example, if you, you know, a woman wearing a skirt that goes above the knee in the US, no one even glances twice.
02:01:19.000You do that in Saudi Arabia, then okay.
02:01:23.000But let's get to the root of this problem.
02:01:24.000What's what's stopping you guys from implementing a platform that prioritizes free speech in the United States?
02:01:30.000And does it the way that Tim was describing?
02:01:35.000It's well, number one, what we're trying to grow is we're trying to grow a global company where people can have free speech and can have that right defended regardless of where they are, because it's not just a, uh, everything.
02:01:51.000If someone has a negative opinion about a person of another religion or race, they're not allowed to say that.
02:01:57.000A guy can walk outside, you know, in the middle of a city and hold up the most awful sign because free speech is a guaranteed right, but on your platform that's not the case.
02:02:07.000Hold on, if you wanted to give me the criticism that what we have is political free speech, but you say that it's not 100%, I'll be the first one to say it's not 100%.
02:02:16.000No platform out there, because there are people even who say that if you have... Hold on, let me just finish this one thought.
02:02:23.000There are some people who say that any restriction, even if it's legal or illegal, is not free speech.
02:02:29.000Some people go out there, I've had people in arguments and debates who've brought that up.
02:02:33.000But what I'm going to say is, so, but if you were to say that, hey, what I'm, I'm hearing here is that you have political free speech.
02:02:39.000Um, well, I'd say that's a fair criticism.
02:03:31.000His stance was that the ruling from the Supreme Court of separate but equal, according to Derrick Bell, was correct.
02:03:38.000And this is one of the big views among Black Lives Matter and Critical Race Theory proponents.
02:03:43.000They feel that there was a separate economy for the black community that was thriving, that was growing, and that the civil rights era effectively merged the two economies, but because white people had historical power We're able to oppress with the greater power, the black community.
02:04:04.000So he's advocated for a return or, or I should say, never allowing the desegregation as a policy position.
02:04:11.000If someone went on your platform and said, I believe we should, here's a good question.
02:04:15.000California recently had a proposition that would have stricken the civil rights language from their constitution.
02:04:22.000Would you allow the Democrats on getter to advocate for the repealing of California civil rights provision?
02:04:28.000I would need to go take a look at that a little bit more.
02:04:30.000And that's a tough thing with some of the hypotheticals.
02:04:33.000Overtly allowing for the discrimination based on race.
02:04:36.000Well, obviously, if you were out there advocating for the blatant discrimination purely based on race, then that's not something... So Harvard is banned from Getter?
02:04:44.000I would say if... Harvard overtly has policies discriminating on the basis of race.
02:04:49.000Like SAT scores for admittance for Asians have to be higher than white people, have to be way higher than white people.
02:04:55.000Admittance scores for white people have to be higher than black people.
02:04:57.000But hold on, you're... Again, I would need to go and see that just because I haven't seen Harvard's writing or what exactly that... I didn't get into Harvard.
02:05:07.000I would need to go and see that exactly.
02:05:09.000But, you know, to the point, if you're advocating racial discrimination, Not something saying like a court because one of the things that can't speak to not being a lawyer is this this policy was This court case was ruled incorrectly.
02:05:24.000I'm not gonna go to the Supreme Court But if you're someone who's going insane advocating for racial discrimination against against whites or against blacks or against anybody That's not something we would allow So we got to go to the members, uh, you know, podcast and I want to make a quick couple quick, quick points.
02:05:40.000I wish this conversation was being had with Twitter's people, which is a massive international platform.
02:05:45.000And so I, I greatly respect your willingness to come on and have us just like throw these hard questions at you that are probably difficult.
02:05:51.000There's a lot of people who are angry.
02:05:52.000I feel like we're all spraying you with hoses right now.
02:05:57.000You're at least willing to have the conversation.
02:05:58.000And I've been sprayed plenty of times.
02:06:00.000And I do think that Getter is less likely to censor than Twitter, case in point Malone.
02:06:06.000But I think the challenge is it's impossible to navigate this space unless you just say legal speech is allowed.
02:06:14.000Because, you know, when you say, I'm not going to allow Fuentes because, you know, these positions discriminating, all of a sudden it opens the door to the principle.
02:06:23.000Critical race theorists, the woke, are overtly racist.
02:06:26.000You know, based on what you've said...
02:06:28.000You should never allow any of them on your platform.
02:06:38.000Hassan has actually, he got suspended from Twitch for saying racial slurs.
02:06:42.000So if he signed up for Getter, you'd ban the biggest left-wing live streamer from your platform?
02:06:47.000If it's someone coming in who's advocating racial discrimination... The whole left does!
02:06:56.000Again, there are people who are... There's a difference between a jerk and being an idiot, and somebody who's outright advocating for racial discrimination.
02:07:20.000Here's the thing I want to pick the fight on, is that what I'm trying to offer people is a product where they're going to be safe from the oppression of big tech.
02:07:53.000Then they go and say, you can't even talk about COVID or lockdowns or any of these things.
02:07:58.000If I, again not trying to be rude while I'm in your house, if I took the opinion that or the belief that you can't go and change this, you can't give people a place where they can fight for their political values, then I'd never get anywhere.
02:08:13.000We'd be we'd be at zero users not four and a half.
02:08:16.000I might be at four and a half million people now.
02:08:18.000I'm going to take this thing to 10 by the middle of the year to 20 or 20 million by the end of the year and you know what?
02:08:24.000These are people who, when they go into their respective elections, they know no one's going to come in and say, your ideology is fine and different.
02:08:31.000The points that you're bringing up, many of them, they're important because they're the foundation of our First Amendment.
02:09:32.000It's going to be an excellent members-only podcast.
02:09:36.000I want to make sure everyone knows as we wind down that I think Getter is a massive net positive.
02:09:42.000And we don't have the opportunity to challenge big tech the way we have you sitting here answering these questions.
02:09:47.000And so instead of, you know, directing anger towards you to a greater degree than we would Jack Dorsey, I think anybody who's upset about Nick Fuentes especially should probably roll their eyes, get frustrated, and be like, here are my complaints, here are my issues with this.
02:10:03.000We recognize Big Tech is substantially worse.
02:10:06.000I know a lot of people are upset about Fuentes particularly, but if we can make sure that Dr. Malone has a voice and we can gain some ground back in free speech, I'll take it.
02:10:18.000I'm not going to be completely happy with some of the rules I'm concerned about, but I think Getter is better than Twitter in that capacity.
02:10:25.000And the one thing I'd add on that, it's not some ground, it's making sure that people have that right.
02:10:29.000Because if you don't think that Twitter and Facebook and big tech, that their goal isn't to, for example, not just all Trump, because it's not just all Trump people, largely Trump people, that they wouldn't be fine completely with having every Trump voter or conservative or populist kicked off of their platform.
02:10:46.000They're totally, because you know what they say?
02:10:50.000We can get I mean, look, India is Facebook's biggest market.
02:10:53.000They've already made that calculation that they are fine to lose anyone right of center, not just in the US, when Facebook said they're expanding their global anti misinformation board, which is again, that's one thing I wish I do think the conversation got tilted a little bit too much into some of the Fuentes stuff, whereas when we talk about the editing and censoring, for example, we don't put up warning labels because then that's going into the editorializing.
02:11:17.000We're never going to get to the point where it's like, well, we think it's okay.
02:11:19.000We're going to have the post up there, but it's not okay, but we're going to allow the post up because then you're editorializing.
02:11:25.000Facebook is intentionally ramping up their efforts in the Philippines, in Colombia, in Brazil, in France, and even in Hungary has their elections coming up in the U.S.
02:11:36.000We're going to make sure, want to define success, that people whether you're on the right or if you're on the left in any country around the world, you're going to have access to free speech and making your political voice heard and nobody is going to shut you down.
02:12:16.000So at Jason Miller in DC, you can get me on Getter.
02:12:20.000I usually spend a lot of time responding to folks at night, going through the user comments.
02:12:24.000I think it's important that anyone who's going to go put their name on a platform is very in touch with the different comments and things that are going on.
02:12:31.000Look, people threw some tough questions.
02:12:32.000I think some good ideas, particularly on the pathway to forgiveness, I think was in better articulating some of the points on transparency, I think were important.
02:12:41.000And I think you're, you're number one, you're not going to get anyone else who's going to come in.
02:12:44.000And like I said, whether it goes sit down with the care swisher, uh, Tim pool and, uh, and go through this, um, look, we might not get it right.
02:12:53.000I don't think I'll be able to get someone like Jack Dorsey or the CEO of Twitter to come on here because I'm not going to, you know, you could always just meet them in person like I used to do, but that's a whole nother story.
02:13:03.000Anyway, I got a gajillion questions, but thank you for answering the ones that you did.
02:13:10.000I have my own independent media organization.
02:13:12.000Lots of crazy news coming out of the Czech Republic and England.
02:13:15.000I talked about that on youtube.com forward slash we are change and then of course I talked about my strategy moving forward specifically on lukeuncensored.com.
02:13:48.000So this is the reason I bring up free software, because I would love to integrate a bunch of networks like Rumble and Mines and Getter and Gap into like a mega union.
02:13:57.000Can I give one extra tease for the members only part?
02:13:59.000One thing I want to go to, because we didn't get much in the functionality, we kept it a little more on the philosophical and theoretical side.
02:14:07.000One of the things that's going to set us apart from other platforms, in addition to the longer posts, longer videos, the live streaming we have right now, a million people watched President Trump's rally last Saturday on Getter, which is nuts.
02:14:18.000Four and a half million people on the platform, a million were watching that.
02:14:21.000We'll be launching in February what we call Vision, which will be our short video competitor to TikTok and Instagram Reels.
02:14:27.000So right now, people look and say, oh, Getter, their competitor to Twitter.
02:14:30.000Month and a half, two months from now.
02:15:24.000And you look to this summer when we launch this, we're going to expose people and bring the digital economy to them in a crypto way that no social media platform has ever done.
02:15:40.000Thank you so much for coming on, Jason.
02:15:41.000I did tell you you were going to get grilled, and I was not lying.
02:15:44.000But I do want to say that I'm really glad that we have some of these other options, and I hope that people will continue to give positive feedback and kind of help develop and make this into something great, and hopefully we can really offer some good competition for Twitter and Facebook.