On this episode of The Best Political Shirts, we have a special guest, Bhatia Angusargan. She's the Deputy Opinion Editor of Newsweek and the author of a book called Bad News: How Woke Media is Undermining Democracy.
00:00:12.000You know, a lot of people like to rag on CNN and MSNBC saying, look how, look, look, their ratings are going down, this proves everyone hates them.
00:00:18.000And I often would say something like, yeah, but let's be real, like after an election year, everybody's ratings take a big drop.
00:00:25.000And, you know, I'd like to point out, like even our views went down, you know, during, in 2020, it was crazy.
00:00:31.000We had like 150,000 people watching on an episode talking about politics.
00:00:36.000And I try to make sure we're being, you know, fair and reasonable when we mock mainstream and corporate press.
00:00:42.000But now I think it's fair to actually point out their ratings are abysmal.
00:00:45.000They can't, CNN's getting like 73,000 viewers in the key demo, prime time.
00:00:52.000We get half a million on YouTube and we're just some like internet yokels
00:01:08.000Apparently Ronald McDonald House is kicking out kids because they're not vaccinated.
00:01:12.000We got this crazy report from Bloomberg.
00:01:15.000EU regulators saying that vaccines, the booster shots, too many, can actually cause problems for the immune system, similar to what we saw from the New York Times.
00:01:24.000So as always, we say, make sure you talk to a medical professional.
00:01:54.000I'm the Deputy Opinion Editor of Newsweek and the author of a book called Bad News, How Woke Media is Undermining Democracy that I'm sure we're going to get into and just thrilled to be here.
00:02:04.000It's perfect too because, you know, we get this report on CNN collapsing, and we have you booked at the same time.
00:02:08.000It's just very often we get guests that just align with these stories.
00:02:13.000I think we need 100% ratings to go down at CNN, but that's just my own personal perspective.
00:02:19.000And if you're looking for a synopsis of what actually happened during the last two years, I do believe the shirt that I'm wearing Take the cake for it, as it says.
00:03:47.000I think I lost, like, 15 to 20 pounds already.
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00:05:37.000And we got some really nasty stories that's like, YouTube does not appreciate.
00:05:42.000So this is where we call, you know, the uncensored because we talk about very adult issues.
00:06:01.000Viewership at Scandal Plagued CNN plummets by as much as 90% from last year in both overall audience and in their advertiser coveted 25 to 54 demographic.
00:06:16.000Or I'm holding back laughing, to be honest.
00:06:18.000They say the network averaged just 548,000 viewers during the week of January 3rd, a precipitous drop from the nearly 2.7 million viewers from the same week in 2021.
00:06:29.000CNN in the last year has been plagued by high-profile scandals.
00:06:34.000Critics have slammed network boss Jeff Zucker over the declining ratings.
00:06:43.000CNN saw an 86% decline in the much desirable 25 to 54 demo with a paltry 113,000 tuned in last week compared to the 822,000 CNN averaged a year ago.
00:06:48.000with a paltry 113,000, 113,000 tuned in last week compared to the 822,000 CNN averaged a year ago.
00:07:07.000That doesn't show you the live viewer count on these shows, which is often around 250,000 people who watch live.
00:07:14.000YouTube does this weird system where they're separated, there's different analytics for the live stream versus the people watching the VOD version.
00:07:21.000But I will just tell you, our audience is like 90% key demographic.
00:07:27.000So if we're getting half a million people per night and CNN's getting none, well, I guess it's good news.
00:07:36.000People are starting to get away from corporate press BS.
00:07:40.000And while that sounds really good, I still have to point out CNN gets propped up on YouTube and still gets a hundred million views per month.
00:07:46.000Yeah, this also is a little, you know, an extreme title.
00:07:51.000They say as much as 90% because they're talking about an election year.
00:08:42.000And again, we also have to understand that overall, you know, when it comes to cable television, their viewership has been going down dramatically.
00:08:51.000But I don't think CNN has been doing themselves any favors.
00:08:54.000Especially with their lineups, especially with their scandals, especially with Lubin-Tubin, the Vanderbilt, Creepy Cuomo, and telling people not to read the WikiLeaks because it was illegal, telling people that there was definitely Russian collusion, obsessing about Donald Trump non-stop when he had two scoops of ice cream.
00:09:28.000I haven't read your book yet, but in the book, did you follow CNN at all and go deep on them?
00:09:33.000Yeah, the book opens with a scene at CNN with Don Lemon and Kirsten Powers, and they're sitting there talking about how Donald Trump winning is proof of the enduring and unabated white supremacy in America.
00:09:48.000And you know, they're sitting there, these two people who are worth, you know, $10 million and $25 million a piece, and sneering and looking down their nose at a president's supporters, a president who won 67% of whites without a college degree, right?
00:10:01.000And to me, that was sort of the opening primal scene because I think a lot of what we're seeing here, it looks like it's about politics.
00:10:09.000It sometimes looks like it's about race, but actually it's about class.
00:10:13.000Can you say the name of your book one more time for people who are just tuning in?
00:10:25.000And basically what happened over the course of the 20th century was journalism went from being a blue collar job to being the provenance of, you know, the most highly educated, very affluent top 10% elites.
00:10:38.000And Tim, I think you represent what journalism used to be like the fathers of American journalism.
00:10:46.000They were guys who dropped out of high school or didn't go to high school.
00:10:49.000Working class guys who had to really struggle, who then went out to the people to report and crucially felt a deep sense of responsibility To those people to be responsive to them to give them what
00:11:03.000they were asking for and to treat them with respect And that's been your career in journalism
00:11:08.000And that's the opposite of what we see in places like CNN in the New York Times
00:11:10.000I just I disagree with you because I would say you know a Vanderbilt Anderson Cooper definitely has more of a sense
00:11:17.000of reality And more of a humbleness to him than any of other peasants
00:11:21.000out there and clearly his his upbringing You know his affluence has brought him to be more
00:11:27.000knowledgeable and more special than all of us But I wonder if it's not so much about
00:11:32.000Upbringing or anything look Luke and I've had very different actually maybe even sort of similar
00:11:38.000You know in some ways Luke coming from Poland a family that dealt with the Soviet era communist stuff in Poland and
00:12:06.000If I got a neighbor, I don't want to be micromanaging and dealing with all of his problems.
00:12:11.000I want to be able to be like, guy, the reason why you've got this problem here with this, you know, sewage leak is because you did these things.
00:12:19.000Whereas you've got a lot of people who seem to think These journalists, particularly, and the establishment political class, let me just be in control of everyone's lives so it's easier that way.
00:12:31.000Bloomberg wants to put a tax on sugary drinks that you can't buy them.
00:12:38.000I'll tell you it's bad for you, and then you can do whatever you want.
00:12:40.000So I think that right there, there's a meme.
00:12:44.000Where it shows a bunch of people, and they're all yelling, and then it shows someone at a podium, and the journalist has got his back to the podium and he's bullhorning at the crowd, repeating what the podium says, and then it says the way journal- and it's like that's how journalism is, how it's supposed to be, is the guy with the bullhorn standing in front of the people yelling at the guy with the podium.
00:13:05.000But what you're describing is contempt, right?
00:13:09.000It's about how the media, which is supposed to be on the side of the little guy fighting for the little guy against the guy at the podium, became on the side of the guy At the podium because they go to the same schools as millionaires and billionaires and they live in the same neighborhoods as people at the top of the food chain and politicians and their kids go to the same schools as all these other elites.
00:13:28.000They are now on the side of power and they have immense amounts of contempt for the working class just dripping off of them.
00:13:35.000I gotta say it, my favorite moment of the Donald Trump election cycle in 2015 was when he ordered that 30-day dry-aged steak well done with ketchup.
00:13:46.000And I could see it the moment he did it.
00:13:50.000Regular, working class, middle Americans, whatever.
00:13:54.000They go to the grocery store, they can't afford filet mignon, so they get a T-bone, they cook it through and put ketchup on it, because that's the way to make it taste better.
00:14:02.000Trump knows this, and he was trying to have these people look at him and be like, that's how I do it.
00:14:06.000And the media laughed, and they mocked him and talked about how stupid and uncouth he was, and it just made regular people hate the media.
00:14:15.000They're like, you're not making fun of him, you're making fun of me.
00:14:18.000I can't afford your expensive trash with your fancy garlic and volcanic salt, wagyu beef or whatever like we had.
00:14:25.000I mean, the way I say it, maybe you would see it a little bit differently, but I kind of want to ping off your perspective because being in the digital world, being at some of these events, I see two class of journalists.
00:14:34.000There's one class that's kind of drug addicted with Substance abuse problems and another class that's the kind of snobby limousine liberals that think that they're better and know better what's for everyone else.
00:14:46.000I don't see a distinction and very rarely do I see anyone kind of in the middle of that or anyone outside of those two categories.
00:14:54.000Well, I'll just give you some statistics.
00:14:57.000So 92% of journalists in America today have a college degree, which is obscene because you can't teach journalism.
00:15:03.000You know, you can't teach someone to do what you do, to be a good listener, to ask the right questions, to question your own biases, to be willing to be wrong.
00:15:15.000A person learns a lot of these skills when they're very young.
00:15:18.000So you take someone who's, you know, been brought up in a family that's well-off, maybe got help at their, you know, New York condominium, put them in college and then think they're gonna be able to listen and it's not gonna happen.
00:15:30.000I went to college for journalism for a year, then switched over to theater.
00:15:33.000But in the journalism thing, I got an opportunity to do my college TV station.
00:15:38.000I did like sports for the TV station and special reporting.
00:15:40.000And I also learned how to copyright, copy edit.
00:15:43.000So they were teaching me structure, but not ethics.
00:15:51.000The majority have a graduate degree, which is a purely vanity degree that costs $70,000.
00:15:56.000To become a journalist in America today, you have to be able to take a starting salary of $30,000 a year, but 75% of those jobs are on the coast in the most expensive American cities, which means you have to come from money, essentially.
00:16:07.000Like, everyone you see on your TV, everyone you read in the New York Times, These people come from money.
00:16:13.000They are over-educated and they look down on you.
00:16:15.000And I think that's what we're seeing is the American people are too smart for this garbage.
00:16:18.000They are too smart for it and they're tuning it out.
00:17:38.000But there is this class of people that enters media where they just, the way they prove themselves is to get a job in the media so that they can be given access to a platform that they don't deserve, that they've not proven with merit, and then yell at you and talk about how much badder they are than you.
00:18:23.000They think they're better than everybody.
00:18:25.000So let me ask you this, maybe you don't want to answer this, but when you got to Vice, were you suddenly surrounded by exactly that type of person?
00:18:52.000And that's why when I started saying, okay, now I'm going to take my skills and bring it to actual news, I went to Vice because it was punk rock.
00:19:52.000They bring in all this hipster youth, and then all of a sudden it's virtue signaling hipsters who think they're smarter than you, and they know it.
00:20:31.000Well, so in 2014 is when I started, and then it was mid-2015, early to mid-2015, where they were like... What I think happened was they had one video about a transgender child that got a huge, it was a huge hit.
00:20:44.000It got them like a hundred thousand views, and that was one of their first videos that actually got traffic.
00:20:48.000And then all of a sudden they were like, that's it.
00:20:52.000What I absolutely love about this is when you have these middle-aged marketing white dudes who don't know anything about what's going on, and so they were asked, like, what's 2016 gonna look like for Fusion?
00:21:34.000And so they tried to do some stuff, like I went to a weapons expo, and we looked at all the different, like, riot control weapons that pertain to, like, the protest movement stuff.
00:21:43.000And we tested them out, but that video footage never made it out there, with me and Tim literally having tear gas, sitting in a chair, testing who's gonna sit there the longest, and this crazy military guy being like, okay, now we're gonna do this, and I'm like, okay.
00:22:26.000So I go to the higher-ups and I and and they were talking we met this guy he was one of their specialists in weapons training and stuff and it turned out I don't want to say too much but this is a guy of experience to say the least international law enforcement government stuff and so I said can you talk to us about strategies for riot control and he's like, yes I can. And
00:22:46.000then I said, we need to go somewhere where we can test all this stuff out. Is there maybe like a field
00:22:49.000somewhere, you know, where in Miami area there's a lot of farmland. And they were like, you got
00:24:13.000But that timeline makes a lot of sense because the great awokening in the media happened.
00:24:19.000It started, it had a very, so sociologists have found that had like a very specific starting point, which was around 2011, 2012, when the New York Times erected its paywall, not coincidentally, that's when you started to see woke terminology start to just absolutely skyrocket across the major mainstream liberal news media.
00:24:41.000So sociologists have literally trawled the archives of the New York Times and the Washington Post and NPR and the Atlantic and all of these outlets and they found that words like oppression, marginalization, the word people of color near the word oppression or marginalization, white privilege, it's like a hockey stick.
00:25:00.000Like they were kind of like this until 2011 2012 they started to totally skyrocket and what happened in 2015 was white liberals their their opinion as it was polled by sociologists so public opinion among white liberals started to outpace public opinion of blacks and latinos in terms of how radical it was on issues of race.
00:25:25.000So that that impact of the skyrocketing of the use of these terms in the liberal media by three years later four years later by 2015 it had this huge impact on public opinion of white liberals to where they became much more extreme in their views on race than blacks and latinos and started using this very academic language and that's kind of where the great awokening started.
00:25:45.000Did you see that one study that showed liberals, white progressives, are the only racial group in the United States with an out-group preference?
00:26:15.000There's also a correlation with the graph that you were mentioning that I've been seeing online with, of course, Occupy Wall Street and some people theorizing that this was the corporate media's response towards people going against the big banks, going against the big institutions that have failed them, going against the banker bailouts that have redistributed wealth to the very rich, taking away from the very poor.
00:26:36.000And from what I'm seeing, it's a perspective of, holy crap, people are catching on to what we're doing.
00:26:43.000Therefore, let's inject this language, which will help create do that.
00:26:46.000Do you think that that is a possible theory?
00:26:48.000Okay, so I'll give you a less conspiratorial version.
00:26:52.000And then you'll tell me if you if you find it convincing enough to abandon the more delicious conspiratorial version, which I could totally see why that's like a satisfying way to think about it.
00:27:03.000That this great awokening moral panic about race is a distraction from the real divide in America, which is the disgusting levels of income inequality and the class divide.
00:27:13.000I do personally think from a from the point of view of the news media, this was much more about the digital revolution in terms of media.
00:27:22.000I think it coincided with the New York Times erecting its paywall because what they started to do was what all of us in digital media do, which is be able to track What terms people clicked on, what terms made them close the browser, you know, what words made them share things, what words made them engage online.
00:27:37.000And of course, engagement is the big measure of success for digital media.
00:27:41.000And so I think that there's a much less kind of big picture.
00:27:45.000There's just like a profit margin to where journalists have always been more liberal than Americans at large.
00:27:51.000But here you had their corporation saying, no, no, no, chase that, you know, racial liberalism because our audience likes it.
00:27:56.000I would even go just a little bit further and say maybe the algorithms that favored that were also manipulated because of that larger possible conspiracy.
00:28:23.000So Facebook incentivized, in their algorithms, terms like these.
00:28:28.000Now I'm not saying, I know for a fact they literally said, we want this to appear more, but if the algorithm favors, if the algorithm is simply designed, if someone clicks something, show it more, then terms that made people angry, injustice, were more likely to be shared.
00:28:51.000As I often explain, for those who have heard it, forgive me, but for those who haven't, if you write an article that says police are racist, you'll get X views.
00:28:58.000If you write an article saying police are sexist, you'll get Y views.
00:29:01.000But if you write an article saying police are sexist and racist, those two keywords gives you an exponential boost.
00:29:07.000You'll get a bonus to the amount of traffic because when an article gets a substantial amount of play, the algorithm boosts it more.
00:29:14.000So now that you're hitting two different communities, the anti-racism and the anti-sexism community, Facebook says, oh wow, this one got 100,000, show it to another 20,000, see what happens.
00:29:24.000This one got 100,000, do the same thing.
00:29:27.000But when this article gets 200,000, whoa, show it to another 100,000, keep showing it.
00:29:31.000That one's getting way more traffic than normal.
00:29:34.000So the combination of terms gave rise to intersectionality, which was a big component in the precursor of the culture war, which then resulted in a lot of this, you know, wokeness.
00:29:44.000But another really obvious component, you're familiar with GamerGate?
00:29:49.000So I can't tell you everything about GamerGate now nearly almost 10 years on.
00:29:53.000What I can say is, A video game publication accusing a person of being racist makes no sense.
00:30:02.000But what happens is, if you are tasked, hey, we're gonna make a video game website, what can you really write about?
00:30:09.000Well, some of these sites would be like, okay, a new game came out, we got a new Zelda game, let's write all the tricks and tips, all of the items you can get, and then what?
00:30:36.000And then all of a sudden they found the easiest way to get traffic was Can we accuse someone of being a bad person and it somehow relates to video games?
00:30:45.000And then all of a sudden you have these outlets being like, if we're going to keep writing news every single day, we need an angle.
00:30:52.000And that's a result of a dying company, a dying art form, because video game gameplay footage on YouTube took over.
00:30:59.000So now if you want to watch gameplay review, you don't read about it, you watch it on TV.
00:31:05.000There's an important question to answer here.
00:31:07.000Does the algorithm run us or do we run the algorithm?
00:31:13.000I would argue that there are people tied into a lot of these bigger big tech social media companies that are doing social human experimentation.
00:31:22.000are doing psychological experiments just like Facebook has done and only conducted controlling our emotions and I
00:31:30.000think there is even a bigger profit motive to make someone feel lonely to feel sad to feel depressed and I think there
00:31:37.000is a correlation between our mental health decline and of course the onset and prominence of big tech social media so
00:31:45.000I would say that I believe that both could be true but I think what is more prevalent is the algorithm running us.
00:32:13.000But what happens is, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, whoever makes an algorithm, they're aiming for an outcome they can't program for.
00:32:20.000This is the danger of, I think, one of the big dangers of AI.
00:32:23.000But so YouTube says, we want content on YouTube that is long form, with a high retention rate, that hits issues subject matter that people like.
00:32:48.000Because it was babies who watched the most and just watched 100% of videos because they don't touch anything This is what happens when a human programs an algorithm and then lets it run.
00:33:14.000Now she's coming out and claiming that Republicans forged electoral documents The reality is, as is typical with any contentious election, Republican electors in 2020 filled out their electoral slates, sent them to the government, that's it.
00:33:32.000The same thing happened in 1960 with Hawaii, Nixon, and Kennedy.
00:33:35.000Well, Rachel Maddow could tell you the truth!
00:33:39.000Then her audience won't like what she has to say.
00:33:41.000So she just plays into that narrative.
00:33:44.000Humans become servants to the algorithm.
00:33:47.000After the algorithm chooses nonsense to be popular, the human plays along with it and pushes that same garbage.
00:33:53.000Okay, so I think I disagree with you guys.
00:33:54.000I think that the, well, okay, from the point of view that I have, which is the point of view of elite media, or rather mainstream, you know, legacy media, to me, it seems like they have very much abandoned the idea of like mass readership.
00:34:09.000The New York Times is no longer going for a mass readership.
00:34:13.000They're going for Elite, highly educated liberals based on the subscriber model.
00:34:19.000So now they only have to satisfy those.
00:34:22.000I think right now they have 7 million.
00:34:25.000So but I think you can't like the when you have such a small everybody now all the liberal outlets, including CNN, all these people are going for the same.
00:34:34.000They all they don't want all Americans watching.
00:34:36.000They want 10 million affluent liberals like that.
00:34:40.000And so it's those people are very specific in terms of what they're looking for.
00:34:57.000Well, no, what I mean is someone creates an algorithm.
00:35:00.000The algorithm then generates a kind of content that people get attached to.
00:35:05.000Rachel Maddow then sees, here's a market share I can take based upon the algorithmic manipulation.
00:35:10.000So a better example is Black Lives Matter and police brutality.
00:35:15.000Videos that generate outrage get more shares and more interactivity than anything else, and so Facebook was inundated with police brutality videos.
00:35:24.000Police brutality accounts for a microscopic percentage of all police interactions, but they get clicks.
00:35:43.000All they see is police brutality over and over and over again because it was making money for these companies.
00:35:48.000Then, by the time they're out of college and they're 22, a few years later, it's 2012, 2013, and they are hypnotized, believing the entire world is police hunting down black people.
00:35:59.000So their whole perspective is warped to an insane degree.
00:36:04.000Rachel Maddow and people like her have found a captive audience who believe insane things that they can pander to.
00:36:09.000Right, but I have to say, specifically on that example, I feel like that one is very much a double-edged sword.
00:36:14.000Like, I don't believe that George Floyd's killer would be in prison if not for the algorithm doing that, because that would not have become a national story, and without it being a national story, would we have had that video?
00:37:26.000Because I'm willing, I'm willing to have the argument, you know, he should be, you know, manslaughter at the very least.
00:37:31.000But the issue is that there's, it's not so clear cut.
00:37:36.000And you have, you probably have the more conservative side of things saying it's not clear cut that he should be in jail.
00:37:43.000One example is even in the trial, the use of force expert for the prosecution said that Chauvin would have been entitled to use even more force than he had already used.
00:37:52.000So there, again I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying there were issues where people
00:37:56.000see it differently. And so... I actually just pulled up here from mystateline.com,
00:38:01.000I haven't checked it out, but an autopsy report confirmed George Floyd died from a cardiac arrest
00:38:04.000which was, quote, complicated by law enforcement subdual.
00:38:07.000This was... The cardiac arrest was caused by him being strangulated. That's what it said, well...
00:38:26.000I mean... But this is what happens when... Maybe there's even a better example than that, like Russiagate or what I mentioned with Rachel Maddow and claiming Republicans forged documents.
00:38:37.000There's a desperate need to satisfy your subscriber base.
00:38:48.000I've criticized people on the right and all of a sudden I have people yelling at me and I'm like, dude, whatever, if you think I'm just going to pander.
00:38:52.000And then they're like, it's really amazing.
00:38:54.000A cancel culture does exist for everyone.
00:38:57.000It doesn't mean if, you know, it's not only on the left for sure.
00:38:59.000With the rise of subscription model, this is fascinating.
00:39:04.000If you're, I mean, how can you keep a journalistic enterprise afloat and try and be the fourth estate and criticize everything and everyone when you have to have subscribers that'll leave if you start criticizing the people they love?
00:39:52.000Because Wokeness is a smokescreen for a class divide.
00:39:55.000It's being perpetuated by white liberal elites who are literally lining their pockets with this stuff, you know, to avoid talking about a class divide that they have benefited from.
00:40:05.000Let me show you an example that I talked about earlier today.
00:41:19.000Talk to a medical professional and a health and nutrition specialist who can help you live better.
00:41:25.000But instead of hearing things like, why not take some vitamin D and get some sunlight and breathe some fresh air and get some exercise, we hear everything has to align perfectly with whatever tribe people find themselves in.
00:41:38.000This woman, it's fat-shaming to point out a fact.
00:42:04.000You know, we have to promote all kinds of family structures.
00:42:07.000And the people saying that are all, you know, affluent, highly educated people who are married, who are, you know, benefiting very much from marriage from an economic point of view, because marriage has been very much correlated with higher earnings.
00:42:22.000And so you have this kind of like this tiny, tiny elite that is impervious to the costs of its BS, right?
00:42:29.000To the cost of saying, Oh, no, it's totally fine to be obese, like that'll never hurt you, you know, like we have to respect people's choices to be this way, right?
00:43:41.000The larger issue of like that, you know, like people like living a lifestyle that benefits them and their children and then hoarding the benefits for themselves with this rhetoric that sounds like social justice, but actually is sentencing the poor to live a much worse lives that they would never let their own children live.
00:46:21.000But essentially what they're doing is hurting these people even more later down the line because they're not being real with them.
00:46:28.000They fake caring about them because if they really did truly care about someone who is overweight, they'd be like, okay, you know, let's do this.
00:47:08.000There's even people giving out little notes to individuals, to their doctors, saying, hey, don't ask me about my weight, which is absolutely ridiculous.
00:47:18.000Your doctor should know how much you weigh.
00:47:20.000They should know how much your weight has changed.
00:47:22.000One of my favorite memes is all the pretty obese health bureaucrats that were deciding on people's health.
00:47:30.000And Joe Rogan made a very kind of interesting point about this because he said himself, I've been working on my health almost my entire life.
00:47:42.000And there's someone who does the complete opposite of that to telling me what I should be doing for my health.
00:47:47.000You know, that should be something we should consider.
00:47:49.000We shouldn't make it the end-all be-all.
00:47:51.000But at the end of the day, you know, tough love and just being real and honest with people goes a lot further than just kind of patronizing them and pretending to care about them, which I think is going to lead to more harm.
00:48:01.000But also, you could go too far with it.
00:48:03.000Like, every time I go to LA, I'm like, this is a godless place.
00:48:10.000And it's like, There's no spirit at all.
00:48:12.000It's all it's kind of great. And if you look at the fashion industry, they are normalizing, you know women to look like
00:48:19.000Pre-pubescent boys, and I think a lot of that has to do with the Jeffrey Epstein connections
00:48:24.000But that's a whole nother thing to even get into but there's a lot of you know, Jean-louis Bernet Les Wexner
00:48:29.000there's a whole lot of individuals of Victoria's Secret that are involved in in
00:48:33.000Portraying this image of perfection of of these like girls who are way too young who look like little boys that
00:48:40.000That's something that needs to be addressed, and I do agree with you.
00:48:44.000That's also another issue that should be talked about should be addressed just as the same as this one because it's it's in the same realm of providing an image that is absolutely unfair and skews people's minds to what the reality of our of our real life is and so do Instagram filters.
00:48:59.000They have a huge negative consequence for people's mental health because they get this image portrayed that everyone's perfect.
00:49:06.000They have the perfect Bosoms and the perfect glass shape of wine of whatever they want to describe themselves hourglass who knows now Look what we were just looking at just a few moments ago here tell me I'm not wrong that two white wine glasses upside down
00:49:30.000The main issue I was trying to get to is we have a definitive fact that I think the CDC said 30% of people hospitalized for COVID are obese.
00:49:48.000If I could speak to this, just because I have struggled with my weight throughout my life, as people can probably tell, I'm struggling with it again.
00:49:52.000I'm getting a little chubby, as chat likes to point out.
00:50:19.000I feel deeply that everyone should understand that they are unique individuals and have like this unique perspective in life.
00:50:26.000But when it comes to helping people live their best lives, their longest lives, and get the most out of life, I think it's essential to point out the things that are dangerous.
00:50:36.000And I'm very sorry that health has become so Emotionally oriented, because it's very, very important for people to live their fullest lives and to be their best selves, to have an understanding that it feels good to work out, that it feels great to see yourself get more flexible and stronger, that it's really key to living a better and stronger life.
00:50:53.000And with the COVID thing, I think this should be a turning point in the American understanding of our own weight as such a key component of what happens to us in the hospital.
00:51:06.000We think that what we eat has nothing to do with how we live and how we experience life.
00:51:11.000When we start looking at the larger impacts from the sugar industry and the factory food industry, there's a lot to unpack there with what is happening to our health right now that definitely deserves a real discussion and I think they're preventing it from happening.
00:51:24.000When Michelle Obama got into office, I should say when Barack got in, she started the Let's Move campaign, which was basically, let's move and cut sugar out of our diets, everyone.
00:51:32.000And then a couple weeks went by, radio silence, all of a sudden the sugar industry is part of the White House group, and it changes into an exercise campaign.
00:52:06.000So Eric Adams, who's New York's new mayor, who's pretty great, he's a vegan and he became a vegan because he got diabetes and he started to lose his vision.
00:52:15.000And apparently as soon as he became a vegan, three weeks later it all came back and all the symptoms started reversing themselves.
00:52:21.000And he pushes veganism as a kind of racial justice thing because he says, look at the foods that our community is consuming.
00:52:28.000These are like foods that we had to learn how to make because of slavery and because we were only given scraps.
00:52:34.000But now it's keeping us enslaved and it's harming our bodies and we have to have this.
00:53:45.000They say, Given the long history of redlining and racist housing covenants in the United States, there's too great a risk of this inaccuracy reinforcing racial bias, Christian Taubman, Redfin's chief growth officer, wrote in December 13th Post.
00:53:59.000We believe that Redfin and all real estate sites should not show neighborhood crime data.
00:54:05.000There is something profoundly racist about taking down crime data and saying it's because it's racist.
00:55:55.000Chloe Valderay I believe said very plaintively called it counter-dependence.
00:56:01.000So you can have a codependent relationship with racism where you're like blatantly racist and scream at people like you're worse than me, but having a counter-dependence on racism is also racist.
00:56:11.000Trying to use racism to combat racism because you hate racism.
00:56:15.000And you'll go to any lengths to stop racism, including be racist.
00:56:19.000But a lot of this... And it is racist.
00:56:22.000For what reason does Redfin or Trulia have to remove crime data?
00:58:24.000The aftermath of all of this fake virtue signaling garbage.
00:58:27.000Yeah, this article reminds me, it's kind of similar to what happened on The View in 2015,
00:58:34.000when we had Kelly Osborne said, we can't kick the Latinos out
00:58:37.000because who's going to clean our toilets?
00:58:40.000So this was on air, on national television.
00:58:45.000And when you look at a lot of these kind of wokest, when you look at a lot of these kind of anti-racist apologists,
00:58:52.000many times, these individuals are the biggest racists themselves because they believe that they're better
00:59:00.000than other people and that they need to help them because they're so much better in all circumstances
00:59:06.000than other people because of their skin color.
00:59:08.000That viewpoint is absolutely absurd and it's white knighting to absurd levels.
00:59:13.000This explains the white progressive so well.
00:59:17.000Authoritarian, elitist, and racist all at once, but guilty about it.
00:59:24.000I think, you know, I was talking to someone, I worked in LA for a little bit, I lived there for a little bit, and people were telling me that celebrities are really scared, they're really superstitious, so they donate a lot of money to various causes because they're worried about karma.
00:59:37.000You know, they do this movie, they make millions of dollars, and they feel bad that they're living this way, so they give money away.
00:59:45.000I think a better way to explain it is Warren Buffett, when he said, I can't remember exactly what happened with this, but he was like, we should do a pledge to give away half our money or something.
01:00:31.000Because they said, well, once we get rid of it, then we can help the poor minorities by giving them preferential treatment.
01:00:38.000And I was talking to a friend of mine who's an LA celebrity woke, whatever.
01:00:42.000And she was advocating for this saying, we need this proposition.
01:00:45.000It was, they called it the affirmative action proposition that by removing the non-discrimination non-discrimination clause from our constitution, we will be able to help poor minorities go to school and get better jobs and better government contracts.
01:00:59.000And so I asked my friend, what percentage of California is white?
01:01:24.000And she's like, yeah, I think white people are deeply racist.
01:01:27.000And I said, okay, so when you take away the constitutional provision that bars racial discrimination, And give a 71% white majority the ability to discriminate?
01:01:38.000Do you think they're going to all of a sudden give up that power or entrench it?
01:01:45.000I'm not so worried about the small town white, you know, majority putting up, you know, whites only or anything like that.
01:01:51.000I am worried about these progressive Hollywood types who will be like, oh, well, you know, why can't we do that?
01:01:57.000They've already done it in Seattle with their, you know, they had the, what did they say, diversity, people of color room and non-POC room.
01:02:35.000And you're like, dude, like you don't give that kind of authority to someone.
01:02:41.000I don't really believe that if California got rid of that provision in their constitution, all of a sudden all the white people would be like, now's our chance!
01:02:47.000But that would ultimately eventually happen in an entropic system.
01:02:52.000What I mean is, for my friend to claim that she's woke and she believes white people are all racist, to then want to give the white majority the power to discriminate against people based on race makes no sense.
01:03:05.000Her response to me was, yeah, well, you know, it's the right thing to do.
01:03:08.000And I'm just like, do you actually care about the logic of helping poor people?
01:03:12.000Or is it just, I'm going to say whatever my tribe tells me to say, so I'm popular.
01:03:18.000Okay, but we have two parties in this country, and one of my big gripes with Republicans is like, okay, it's true, you're not all white supremacists, but where's your counteroffer to fix the remaining problems that we have with racism?
01:03:36.000You would think they would be showing up in the black community and saying, hey, I'm going to give you school choice, get your kid into a good school, and I'm going to put the criminals away so your kid doesn't get shot on the way to that good school, and they don't show Well, so the Republican establishment doesn't, but the populist Republicans are starting to do that.
01:03:54.000But like very, very slowly, and it's sort of like... We need everybody to primary every establishment politician, be it Democrat or Republican, and then we can get some Democrats who say the exact same thing as Republicans say the same thing, because populism is the answer regardless of your economic position.
01:04:11.000I don't care if you're a laissez-faire populist or a communist populist, if we find key issues we're going to work together on, and then we can argue about the rest of it, Excellent.
01:04:21.000Instead, what we have is the Democratic establishment is obsessed with Trump.
01:04:24.000The Republican establishment just obstructs.
01:04:27.000And then we get nowhere as Americans who are trying to actually solve our problems to live better lives.
01:04:34.000This is why I think one of the reasons Trump wins, at the very least, Trump was like, I'm going to bring your factories back.
01:05:13.000He gave in, he caved, and now he toes the line.
01:05:16.000He has been absorbed into the machine.
01:05:18.000Donald Trump is a crazy person who kicked the door in screaming and took over, and now a large portion of the Republican Party is controlled by Trump and his supporters.
01:05:26.000There still remains establishment Democrats in control, but they're slowly being weeded out.
01:05:31.000Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, these guys, in my opinion, are awful.
01:05:33.000Even Ted Cruz has proven himself to be weak and feckless.
01:05:37.000Then you do have a lot of populist Republicans who are a little too aggressive, but it's better than the establishment, in my opinion.
01:05:44.000The Democrats have doubled down and redoubled their efforts.
01:05:46.000The neocons, who are booted out of the party, Jump sides to the Democratic establishment with like the Lincoln Project and now start towing all of that line.
01:06:31.000So my hope now is that come the primaries people go to the Republican Party and they vote out every single one of these establishment Republicans all of the and then you get some working class individuals American populists and the same thing happens to the Democratic Party.
01:06:45.000I hope The Democrats get some, you know, it doesn't really fly on the left, but moderate, working-class, populist, center-left individuals to get rid of the Democratic establishment corporatist crony garbage and the woke trash.
01:06:59.000And then the Republicans need to do the same thing to the neocon war hawks and corporatists as well.
01:07:05.000And then repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.
01:08:11.000Anybody who toes the establishment line is is mocked ruthlessly and insulted and derided and they're not going to survive
01:08:17.000politically Adam Kinzinger is the best example.
01:08:21.000He comes out and he tweets an insult at Jack Posobiec, and I'm just like, bro, you're not going to win a re-election if you're against Jack Posobiec.
01:08:28.000Jack is a very prominent conservative personality with millions, million plus followers or whatever.
01:10:16.000I was doing a lot of research in 2018 looking down in Chile to build a company down there to start producing it and everything was pointing to 2029, the year that global society is going to embrace graphene.
01:11:00.000We believe that the banks have absolutely printed money out of thin air.
01:11:04.000We believe that we're controlled by multinational corporations that call the shots.
01:11:08.000Populism has never been heard by the government.
01:11:12.000Is there hope for us working together somehow from these different perspectives on these larger populist ideas?
01:11:19.000Do you see populists from the left and right potentially ever coming together?
01:11:24.000I get hope from going around the country talking to people everywhere who are working class, who are completely don't care who their neighbors voted for, who are totally post-partisan.
01:11:38.000Partisanship is a completely elite phenomenon because elites make money off of it.
01:11:44.000And so I get a lot of hope talking to working class Americans because they have hope.
01:11:50.000And I think that the, but, but I guess, yeah, I still feel stupidly like, I don't know.
01:11:57.000I don't know how we, how we do it without, um, I still, I'm struggling to have the vision that you have, like to see past the current moment.
01:12:08.000So I feel a little bit like I'm still struggling to point out like to the media itself, like, Hey, you guys are corrupt.
01:12:25.000And I think that it's its people are getting better and better every day.
01:12:29.000Like, I think that we've seen a huge, huge revolution on the right in terms of how it thinks and talks about race and how it thinks and talks about things like police brutality.
01:12:39.000Very recently, criminal justice, stuff like that.
01:12:41.000So I get tons of hope from the unity I see everywhere except in the elites.
01:13:09.000It was like a bunch of things, you know, it was like very slow and then all at once.
01:13:12.000But I definitely had the Trump derangement syndrome.
01:13:15.000It was like in the beginning it was very hard for me to talk to... I took it very personally that he won in that super lame liberal way.
01:13:23.000And it, you know, it took me a while to be able to admit like, oh, that's a really good thing he did.
01:13:29.000Oh, that's a really good thing he did.
01:13:32.000My deprogramming, I think it started with learning about the deaths of despair, and every night I would turn on CNN and see the very people who we had abandoned, who were literally killing themselves because they didn't see a future for themselves in this country, killing themselves, being mocked on CNN, being called racist in the New York Times.
01:13:52.000That sort of started to really, it was jarring to me.
01:13:55.000Why do we not have compassion for them?
01:13:59.000And then the second thing I would say was I read this Yale study from 2018.
01:14:40.000But I had this moment where I was like, this is disgusting and everything I think is caught up in that thing that makes you dumb down your language.
01:14:49.000You assume a person of color is less educated than you, is poorer than you, and needs your help and needs your generosity and your beneficence, right?
01:14:56.000That move of, like, I instantly recoiled because I recognized it.
01:15:01.000And then the third thing that really, I think, was like the death of my Trump derangement syndrome was my rabbi is just the best person that I know.
01:15:09.000He He's the kind of person who, like, in the winter, he walks down the street and he sees a homeless person.
01:15:13.000He starts taking his clothes off and giving them his coat and his scarf and everything.
01:15:17.000He's just the most humble, generous person.
01:15:19.000I know when we were, you know, having a Shabbat meal once and, you know, Trump came up and he was like, Oh, I love Trump.
01:15:46.000What you can do is you can be a person who is so humble and virtuous or strives to be virtuous, so clearly trying to be a good person, that a person who disagrees with you can no longer say about everyone who holds your opinion, they're racist, they're evil.
01:16:12.000Obviously, there's very emotional people.
01:16:14.000And I think the left has a tendency to be swayed by feelings.
01:16:17.000It's why Ben Shapiro tweets, facts don't care about your feelings and gets 50,000 retweets and a million followers and everyone's cheering for him on the right.
01:16:48.000For the left, feelings don't care about your facts.
01:16:50.000But Jonathan Haidt's research found that conservatives, when they take a moral foundations test, they have a balance of all these different moral foundations, which is care, fairness, purity, authority, freedom, and there's one more.
01:17:09.000I mean, I think I think the divide, the political divide, it's obviously not left or right.
01:17:15.000It's authoritarian versus anti-authoritarian.
01:17:17.000So if you're someone who, I think liberals have a tendency towards authoritarianism, and I hate using the word liberal because it doesn't mean that, but whatever modern American leftism is, because they're collectivist.
01:17:29.000And collectivism is inherently authoritarian because if the collective, which is the authority, decrees, you either follow suit or you're ostracized.
01:17:38.000So if you're someone who is driven by care and fairness, and that's it, you don't care about loyalty, purity, authority, or anything like that, or freedom.
01:17:45.000Liberty is a moral foundation, and if you don't have that, well then you don't care if they're doing vaccine mandates.
01:17:51.000Let me tell you something that I think people really need to understand.
01:17:53.000The left and the right don't speak the same language.
01:17:56.000They come out right now in New York City and they say vaccine mandates work.
01:18:00.000Let me just ask you a very simple question.
01:21:40.000Talking about what was happening in Quebec with, of course, the premier there setting up a tax on the unvaccinated.
01:21:46.000He's calling it a health contribution, but in reality, it's just theft.
01:21:51.000The Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau, also says that he supports this strong measure and most likely will be implementing this kind of exploitative measure on the Canadian public as a collective.
01:22:01.000You better be a part of our gang or we're going to steal your money.
01:22:05.000That's essentially what's happening right now in Quebec and what's going to happen nationally throughout Canada in a few days.
01:22:10.000Look at this article from the LA Times.
01:22:12.000Mocking anti-vaxxers' deaths is ghoulish, yes, but necessary.
01:22:31.000Because the way cults work is convincing a person that everyone loves you, you're right, you're on the right side, and they're the crazy people, don't listen to them, don't talk to them.
01:22:42.000No, that's a photo of a woman who died due to COVID who opposed mandates.
01:22:45.000OK, because I was going to say that that's like of that publication to use the photo of the author would have been like clearly signaling what had happened here, which was like they knew that this piece was going to go viral for hate and they were putting a target on the back of the author.
01:23:00.000And they like this is something no edit.
01:23:45.000So actually, interestingly, people don't know this, but Walmart has had a campaign to help vaccinate people and it has been incredibly successful in the two most vaccine hesitant populations, African Americans and Trump voters, as well as evangelicals.
01:24:03.000And when they asked them, like, why are you succeeding with these populations that nobody else can get vaccinated, their answer was, we're meeting people where they're at.
01:24:11.000And they had, they partnered with local leaders who had a lot of trust in the community, sports teams or pastors or There was one community of Latinos who were very vaccine hesitant and they found a local publication in Spanish and they had a press conference in Spanish and then partnered with an immigration center.
01:24:31.000And so, you know, I know you guys are probably ambivalent about this, but basically what they found was that meeting people where they were at was the vaccine.
01:24:38.000Like that was how you, it was the opposite of a mandate, opposite of shaming.
01:24:46.000Because you earned their distrust by being, you know, untrustworthy.
01:24:53.000There is zero improvement in this country by mocking people who have opposed mandates.
01:25:01.000If someone's wife dies of COVID, and you show up, you're wearing a suit at the funeral, and you walk over and you pat him on the shoulder and shake his hand and say, I'm sorry for your loss.
01:25:14.000And then you can have those conversations.
01:25:16.000And then you can say, well, you know, look, man, I mean, you look at these numbers and people who are vaccinated are less likely to be hospitalized.
01:26:46.000I could be getting the story wrong, but the general, I remember it as, they were in Europe and they were hearing all across the media that Trump could never win, that everyone hated him, and it was a slam dunk for Hillary.
01:27:11.000We actually pulled up, there's a website called ground.news, and you can put in someone's Twitter handle and see the political bias of the outlets they interact with.
01:27:21.000When we pulled up left-wing personalities, it was like 80 to 100% left-wing.
01:27:26.000When you pull up moderate personalities, it's mixed.
01:27:29.000When you pull up conservatives, it leans conservative with a little bit of left in there.
01:27:34.000But many conservative personalities followed left-wing publications.
01:27:38.000People on the left don't do the same thing.
01:27:40.000But again, I just want to make the point that like, that sounds like a story about politics, but it is also very much a story about class.
01:27:48.000You know, if these journalists lived in working class neighborhoods or knew any working class people, they would not have been so shocked by Trump's victory.
01:28:04.000A political survey found that, you know, journalists, 75 percent of journalists live not just in blue districts, but in the most blue districts.
01:28:12.000Looks like a story about about politics, but is actually a story about class, about how, you know, the Republican Party became the party of the working class and the Democrats became the party of, you know, big tech Wall Street, which gave more money to Biden than to Trump, and then highly educated liberal elites.
01:28:26.000Did you see the story in 2016 from Vox?
01:29:16.000It was amazing to see the contempt and disdain for regular people as the riders were destroying the neighborhoods of the poor and he cheered them on and then panicked.
01:29:26.000We've got to be careful that we don't get too excited about the vindication as the wealthy start to suffer as their dollar gets closer and closer to the value of zero because the French Revolution.
01:29:36.000You just look at past revolutions where people rise up against the elite.
01:29:39.000It can go really bad really fast and you don't know who's going to try and take power if something like that were to happen.
01:30:22.000They're extremely arrogant and disdainful.
01:30:26.000And they think they're better than you.
01:30:28.000And again, I know people, I've met people throughout my life who came from wealthy families who became, yes, became very humble.
01:30:35.000And they were like, I'm really, you know, I know some people who are wealthy who were born into rich families who would say, you know, I'm really careful to enter politics or anything like that because I've not experienced what most of the people have gone through.
01:30:47.000And so I don't want to assert myself over people.
01:30:48.000I'm like, that's the right way to do it, man.
01:30:50.000So Tim was referring to a very famous family called the Hapsburgs since like 1273, and they were notoriously an inbreeding family and developed this weird lip jaw deformity looking thing.
01:31:16.000I don't know, I'm fairly optimistic when I see, look, the success that we have.
01:31:20.000Everybody who's a member at TimCast.com, everybody who supports us in Super Chats, we're growing, we're hiring, we're expanding, we're doing more every single day.
01:31:28.000As a news organization, how do we, like you were saying, take a subscription model?
01:31:33.000We have a core group of people that like what we do.
01:31:36.000Fortunately, what you do, journalist-wise, is rip on everybody that's messing up, for the most part.
01:31:41.000So maybe you don't have to target a type of person.
01:31:44.000You know how the New York Times is going out of their way to supplant these Well, look, I just... I'm anti-authoritarian.
01:31:54.000So if a person is a working-class person, but they use their voice to try and force other people to bend the knee, I'm gonna criticize them.
01:32:04.000For the most part, though, I'm more concerned with the power structures themselves and the ideas, which is why, in a lot of stories, we don't say the person's name.
01:32:11.000Or we'll specifically reference a person who did this instead of calling out someone individually.
01:32:15.000I don't care about an individual, I care about the structure and the system and the person.
01:32:19.000But there are some people who are so high profile we talk about them.
01:32:21.000It's, it's, it's, you know, nobody's perfect, right?
01:32:24.000It's, it's not, it's not a perfect, uh... Yeah, there's no simple way to just ignore everybody.
01:32:29.000But there are a lot of people, especially on YouTube and in the political space, who their whole career is insulting and targeting a single person.
01:32:50.000I don't think, you know, it's like all of these movies and stories and hero's journeys, all these comic books about a villain who wants to take over the world, and they always fail.
01:33:01.000You cannot, as an individual, no single human is smart enough to seize control of everything, and they fail every time they try.
01:33:08.000Oh yeah, and if they were to succeed, they'd be offed by the number two in command in a holy second, and then that guy would be offed by the number three, who would become the new... You saw it in the Roman Empire, that's why we don't aim for centralization of authority.
01:33:21.000There will come a day where, you know, I walk into the room, and then everyone, you know, takes a rubber mallet and hits me in the back, and then Ian walks over and hits me, and I say, I look up and I say, You too, Ian?
01:34:53.000Yeah, I was going to say, though, that there have been places where they've tried to put these VAX mandates in place and they have had to walk them back.
01:34:59.000They did it at my dad's company because they were going to lose a significant percentage of their highly trained, you know, workers.
01:35:05.000They're like, oh, no, we can't do this.
01:35:47.000He was relatively controversial like three or four years ago for getting banned for saying some off-color, well you could argue they're off-color comments, on another platform.
01:36:13.000We do have a really big, sorry I wasn't sure if you were gonna throw it to her, but I was gonna say we do have a really big show planned for that Monday because people are gonna be in town for that rally and that's kind of exciting.
01:39:12.000No, that is what, yeah, so I was told by someone who was a higher up at a vice, the investors were concerned about negative press and cancel culture, so they told the executives, either you go woke and embrace feminism or we revolt.
01:40:11.000He liked surprises this guy Tim was sitting back back to back to me and then he throws something and we And he and then he says we're gonna see who stays here longer.
01:40:22.000I'm like, all right It was like five seconds.
01:40:27.000Yeah, I know some like serious tear gas which is Alright, Brett S says congrats to Tim Pool's Beanie for making it into iTunes number one hip-hop song, Controlled, by Bryson Gray featuring Anomaly.
01:40:41.000And then he says something I can't read because it's in Polish.
01:42:34.000Yeah, but the prosecution stipulated that based on the level of his habitual use, which they got from one of the witnesses who was his girlfriend, and he was a very big man, and his level of muscularity and his workout, et cetera, that that would not have been lethal.
01:44:09.000And it's like, what is going through your head at that point when this person is saying, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, and then totally passed out under your knee?
01:44:17.000At what point do you have criminal liability for someone's life?
01:44:20.000But is it life in prison or is it manslaughter in a few years?
01:44:26.000I mean, like how is justice served by four people, the three rookie cops who were just who showed up confused, having no idea what's going on, now all going to prison for the rest of their lives?
01:44:37.000Okay, so I don't I as a person who doesn't, you know, I'm sort of very ambivalent about the carceral state, I hear that point at the same time, like, I think we have to say that human life is infinitely precious and when you participate in something that steals one as a society we have to have a way to say like you were there to serve and protect and you stole a life and and it was like the look on their face okay I'm like a lefty so of course like you come back to the compassion and the feeling whatever but the looks on their their imperviousness to his suffering to the point where they allowed him to literally die like they stole his life when
01:45:12.000At any moment during those nine minutes someone could have intervened and they didn't let anybody intervene.
01:45:17.000This is the problem I have with authoritarianism and collectivism.
01:45:22.000Those three cops, not Chauvin, were doing as they were told.
01:45:26.000I don't know if they deserved to go to life in prison because they were just doofy and just sitting there confused and not listening.
01:45:30.000But have they been sentenced to life in prison?
01:45:32.000Well, they're all getting, I think, federal civil rights charges.
01:45:36.000So, okay, maybe it's a little hyperbolic.
01:45:38.000Yeah, I don't think they're going to get life in prison.
01:45:40.000But I think they're going to get decades.
01:45:42.000I mean, like, Chauvin's never getting out.
01:45:44.000I don't know, is this civil rights abuse?
01:45:46.000I don't know what the sentence for that is, but it's not murder.
01:45:48.000They're all charged with murder, aren't they?
01:45:51.000I'm pretty sure they're all going to get a murder charge and then a federal charge on top.
01:45:54.000And then they're probably going to get a state prison sentence and then transfer to a federal prison afterwards.
01:45:58.000Like, I think the whole prison system is busted up.
01:46:01.000And so, you know, my problem with all of this is that the Black Lives Matter groups say, you know, abolish prisons, abolish police.
01:46:08.000And then the moment they get a court victory, they cheer and say, lock them up!
01:46:12.000I don't want to be one of those. I'm like, you know, I think about human life and the preciousness
01:46:16.000I I get that's a that's a risky path to go down because like
01:46:20.000Stealing someone's life and doing something that might create a situation where it's harder for them to survive
01:46:26.000are very different Like if my if living my most just life means that there's
01:46:30.000no food for those people. I didn't steal life from them They're just going to starve because I was the one that beat the system.
01:46:37.000No, but in that case, your life is infinitely precious as well.
01:46:41.000Anything you do to keep yourself alive, I think is consistent with that principle.
01:46:46.000I mean, in the Torah, you have to save yourself before you save others.
01:46:51.000I think one of the problems I see with the whole Chauvin thing, and I don't want to go too long on this because it's an old issue and we've got a lot of questions, but when the prosecution's defense said, according to protocol, Chauvin was entitled to use more force than he did use, that showed restraint.
01:47:07.000But all of his bosses who had trained him disputed that.
01:47:12.000So this was the thing that was so amazing to me about this trial.
01:48:17.000His knee was on the back and the neck back and forth for a certain amount of time.
01:48:21.000That doesn't change the fact that he could have stopped at any moment and provided medical treatment or anything, so that argument I understand.
01:48:26.000But I think what we have right now in our judicial system is retribution to placate rioters, and that's what we've been getting across the board.
01:48:34.000That's why the Kyle Rittenhouse trial was so monumentous for a lot of people.
01:48:37.000Okay, so I see it a little bit differently.
01:48:39.000Okay, leaving Floyd aside, to me that week where we had the Rittenhouse trial come in, Verdict come in, and then the Ahmad Arbery trial come in.
01:48:53.000The guy who filmed it, who had nothing to do with the two McMichaels, is going to prison for his- No, but what about the McMichaels?
01:48:59.000So that's a whole philosophical debate.
01:49:01.000I mean, if the police come to your house and say, we need you to help stop this guy, he's a burglary suspect, he's a felon, and then you see the guy running down the street after your neighbor says he broke into his house, or he was seen trespassing in the house, which makes him a felony burglary suspect, some people are gonna say, okay, this is the guy the cops were looking for, we're gonna go stop him.
01:49:26.000But it's not an issue about what I think.
01:49:28.000It's an issue of do these guys deserve life in prison after the... These are some, you know, look, I'm not trying to be mean, but dumb yokel guys in their community that has been plagued by burglaries.
01:49:37.000The burglaries were so intense that a gun had been stolen from one of, I believe, one of their trucks only three weeks prior.
01:49:43.000So there was a fear that whoever the suspect was was armed.
01:49:46.000The neighbor had just seen this guy enter his property in the middle of the night, illegally.
01:49:51.000It's burglary when you enter a property in this jurisdiction.
01:49:54.000And then the police go door to door and say, this is the guy we're looking for.
01:49:58.000And then one day these guys are like, that's him!
01:50:00.000The guy the cops are looking for who's been terrorizing the neighborhood.
01:50:04.000So, the younger McMichael grabs a shotgun.
01:50:07.000Ahmaud Arbery is running towards them.
01:50:10.000He could have run through the grass, he could have done a lot of things.
01:50:12.000Granted, if someone pulls a gun on me, I might be like, I'm gonna subdue them too.
01:50:17.000Arbery goes around the truck and then grabs the shotgun from Travis McMichael and fights for it.
01:50:22.000The gun goes off in the struggle, killing Ahmaud Arbery.
01:50:25.000Now, you don't have an argument about whether they were justified in trying to do a citizen's arrest based on the law, and that's where the real question came up in the conviction.
01:50:34.000But look at what happened to the guy who followed behind.
01:50:36.000A guy saw what was going on, saw them chasing after him in the car, and he said, I'm gonna film this.
01:50:43.000And because he filmed it, the criminal trial happened in the first place.
01:50:46.000So they're putting this guy in prison for the rest of his life.
01:50:49.000The whole thing is busted and broken, and it was just to placate rioters.
01:50:54.000Okay, so I see it a little bit differently and it's funny because I, so the thing that I thought was so interesting was, I think he was lynched.
01:51:02.000I think they chased him down and killed him because they wouldn't have made the mistake about who it was if he wasn't black.
01:51:18.000But that's not what makes you a felony burglary suspect, right?
01:51:21.000So stuff had gone missing, a gun had gotten stolen, power tools had been stolen, but that night prior... So the police said, we're looking for this guy, but he had not actually stolen anything from the property that he had entered, which was like this construction site, essentially.
01:51:34.000But that doesn't... that's not relevant to the case.
01:51:36.000The prosecution even said he was a felony burglary suspect.
01:51:39.000So this is a mistake I made, and we actually had a couple lawyers on.
01:51:42.000I said, look, a guy who trespasses shouldn't be chased down and then, you know, confront him.
01:51:47.000And I think it was Andrew Branca who said, no, he was a felony burglary suspect, irrespective to whether or not someone saw him on camera in a building.
01:51:55.000There was a string of burglaries throughout the neighborhood.
01:52:22.000We can't see if Travis McMichael actually aimed the shotgun at Ahmaud Arbery.
01:52:25.000What we can see is he turns right around the truck and then turns left.
01:52:29.000And then the next thing you see is they're fighting over the shotgun.
01:52:31.000Right, but if people are trying to arrest you and they have a gun, it's a reasonable thing to... But to me, the point I wanted to make is that the Rittenhouse trial was so disgustingly politicized and got so much attention In a book?
01:52:45.000liberals who were trying to cast not just Kyle Rittenhouse, but anyone who's defended him as white supremacists, right?
01:52:51.000They were even, they tried so hard to give the impression that he had killed black people, right?
01:52:55.000This actually got misreported in one outlet.
01:53:02.000Even in the more legitimate outlets, what they did was they would say, you know, he shot three people and killed two at a Black Lives Matter rally, right?
01:53:10.000To try to give the impression, even if they weren't outright saying it.
01:53:13.000And it was so disgustingly politicized in that way.
01:53:15.000And I met so many liberals who truly believed that he had shot black people.
01:53:21.000And what I would say, no, he shot a pedophile, a domestic abuser, and a guy who punched his grandmother earlier that week.
01:53:28.000They would be like, oh, I'm not following it closely.
01:53:52.000I really want to—sorry to interrupt, but I want to stress this.
01:53:54.000Conservatives, these people, all of them who spoke out and cheered on that verdict, are cowards who are too scared to speak out.
01:54:01.000When the George Floyd thing happened, on principle, many people on the right were like, that's clearly wrong, we can see his knee on his neck.
01:54:06.000And then when the body camera footage came out and more context came out, a lot of people on the right were like, well, I was wrong about that.
01:54:12.000For me to see everything we covered in the Ahmed Arbery case, which is not as, it's not clear-cut.
01:54:19.000The media was reporting it just like Rittenhouse, that it was a lynching, that white guys, white guys chased down a jogger.
01:54:56.000When it came down to the conviction on Ahmaud Arbery, what happened was, the prosecutor said, There's a citizen's arrest law that says you are allowed to perform a citizen's arrest if you have probable cause and you witnessed a crime take place.
01:55:13.000However, if it's a felony, you need only probable cause.
01:55:17.000A reasonable person concludes, if there is a felony suspect, you need not have witnessed the crime.
01:55:21.000But the prosecutor argued, no, it's one provision, therefore, regardless of whether or not it's a felony, you had to have witnessed it.
01:55:30.000On that instruction from the judge, the jury said, well, in that case, they're guilty.
01:55:35.000However, if you actually read the law, it says if someone is trying to citizens arrest a felony suspect, they don't need to have witnessed the crime.
01:55:42.000In which case, the McMichaels are stupid, but they were genuinely chasing down a felony suspect as they were informed by the police.
01:55:48.000But do they know that law or does it not matter?
01:55:50.000I don't think they knew much about the law at all other than the police said we're looking for this
01:55:55.000guy and they said we're going to stop him. And they were concerned he was the guy who had stolen
01:55:58.000the gun from their truck. So if someone steals a gun from your truck, the gun is missing,
01:56:02.000you've reported it missing. And then you're told by the cops, we think that the guy who did it,
01:56:06.000are you going to show up unarmed? No, definitely not. So what ends up happening is
01:56:10.000all I all I really need to say, Oh, well, what should we remember?
01:56:16.000The fact that the guy who filmed it, which allowed the court case to happen, got life in prison, and they're cheering for it, just says to me, you need only see that point.
01:56:25.000And then you need to then question the rest of the case.
01:56:28.000This guy got in his car and said, I'm going to film this.
01:56:37.000We want you to rot and suffer because we're scared of riots.
01:56:40.000That's the same thing with McMichaels.
01:56:41.000They're doofy, dopey, yokel guys who are told by the cops, this is a burglary suspect, they were stupid for doing it, but I don't think they lynched anybody, I don't think they were intentionally trying to cause harm, and sending them to prison for the rest of their lives does not serve justice.
01:57:35.000I'm not a nutritionist but when I say you can't gain weight if you don't eat the calories, I'm still pretty sure that's a fact.
01:57:41.000You can't gain weight by just breathing air.
01:57:44.000Um, so if you are not consuming calories, you can't gain weight.
01:57:48.000But, I think, you know, I hear people like Neil deGrasse Tyson say, calories in, calories out, and I'm like, that's not true, man.
01:57:54.000I cut out sugar, just sugar, and I would like, eat tons of salami, and I'm losing weight.
01:57:59.000Yeah, a calorie is a heat, a measurement of heat, that's produced when your body digests a piece of food.
01:58:04.000So, you get a lot of nutrition with specific foods, Then the food's broken down.
01:58:09.000There might be the same amount of heat produced with, like, a piece of sugar, but all that nutrition is there with the broccoli.
01:58:15.000Also, the sugar industry, absolutely very huge, very corrupt, and has caused a lot of horrible things in our society by buying off regulators and government bureaucrats.
02:01:08.000When I cut that stuff out and I stick to fats, meats, cheeses, and veggies, I feel like a million bucks.
02:01:15.000So over the past several months, one thing I've really noticed is, in the mornings, Seven months ago.
02:01:21.000I'd wake up, I'd have my coffee, I'd put sugary creamer in it with... I'd put a little bit of creamer and then some, you know, like, flavored creamer, because I'm like, I'm not too much sugar, I'm trying to be careful, but still, you know, some sugar in it.
02:01:32.000And then I would drink that, and then as soon as I'd finish my morning segment, I'd have breakfast.
02:01:36.000I'd have like a piece of bread and some eggs and I'm like I'm having a good breakfast here just like a little piece of
02:01:40.000toast and some eggs and bacon and then within few within 40 minutes to an hour I'd start getting tired and drained and
02:01:46.000I'd be like oh man and I need to get something to drink or do something and then I would get another you know like
02:02:29.000And then, over the past few months, there have been cheat days where, like, it's the weekend, we're all going out to eat, everyone's getting dessert, and I'm like, one time I can have, you know, a small piece of this cheesecake.
02:04:34.000I actually did microdose psilocybin over the break and it was incredible.
02:04:38.000I spent about 10 days in Ohio with my family and then I went out to Washington State out to the mountains and was able to just have a just a meditative, amazing, amazing communication experience with a great friend of mine out there.
02:04:53.000I highly recommend getting some time away from a computer screen if you can.
02:04:56.000I think I tweeted a photo of you in nature.
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02:07:40.000I'm gonna take a moment because this is very important to me, I don't usually ask for much time, but I had a gift sent to me that is one of the most beautiful things I think I've ever seen.
02:07:51.000Some of you guys are familiar with Dip and Dot, and it is amazing.
02:07:56.000It's opalescent, it is made with glass, and it has little whiskers on it that move when you touch them, little hairs.
02:08:03.000Her name is Lori K far and she's at LKF designs on Instagram if you guys like to follow her She does customized pet portraits just like dip Absolutely amazing.
02:08:14.000She also did one of bucko She'd one of Luke's dog and some of the chickens as well.
02:08:19.000So I am just amazed by the gravity of this gift She also made me these earrings and I'm gonna definitely work with her in the future and you guys may follow me on Twitter at sour patch lids Thank you, Lori.