Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Daily Wire Razor Company SURPASSES Woke Harrys in Followers w-Jeremy Boreing

00:00:00.000 Peace.

00:00:11.000 Joe Biden says that food shortages are coming.

00:00:14.000 He says that if Vladimir Putin used chemical weapons, we'll respond.

00:00:18.000 Others have said that if they use nukes, the fallout could spread to Europe and then NATO would be forced to respond.

00:00:23.000 And two, Members of Russia's nuclear chain of command have gone radio silent, and people are paranoid.

00:00:30.000 But we're not leading with that story.

00:00:31.000 As much as those stories are important, we will talk about them.

00:00:33.000 The one thing I think is particularly important is that The Daily Wire's Jeremy's Razors in just three days have surpassed Harry's Razors in followers.

00:00:42.000 The reason I think this is significant is that what happens here in the United States culturally will impact us politically, and that will have very serious ramifications.

00:00:50.000 Joe Biden would not be president If the right had a stronger culture or more dominance in cultural spaces to influence people, which ultimately leads to voting and practices.

00:01:00.000 And for a lot of the problems that we see from our political class, it has a lot to do with the fact that the left dominates cultural institutions and the media, and they control it.

00:01:08.000 So seeing a story about Harry's canceling or denouncing the Daily Wire, and the Daily Wire rebutting and growing bigger than their own Twitter account in three days, five million views on their commercial in only a few days, I think it's significant.

00:01:23.000 And as you know, my opinion on The Daily Wire is that what they're doing is absolutely fantastic and building culture.

00:01:27.000 So, joining us to talk about that is co-CEO of The Daily Wire, Jeremy Boren.

00:01:33.000 Co-CEO and God King.

00:01:34.000 Of course, yeah.

00:01:35.000 God King, I'm sorry.

00:01:36.000 Come on, Tom.

00:01:37.000 Blasphemy.

00:01:38.000 It seems like such a small ask.

00:01:39.000 Yeah, right?

00:01:40.000 Exactly.

00:01:41.000 And also, member of the hot duo Smokey Mike and the God Kings.

00:01:47.000 Smokey Mike and the God Kings.

00:01:48.000 Smokey Mike.

00:01:49.000 Yeah, you know, the thing about Smokey Mike and the God King, I mean, obviously our early work is our best work.

00:01:49.000 Good stuff.

00:01:56.000 The stuff we were putting out in the 60s, I think, is just underappreciated.

00:01:59.000 It's a shame that the culture is forgotten.

00:02:01.000 Yeah, Jeremy's 87.

00:02:02.000 Yeah, he looks great, right?

00:02:03.000 Yeah.

00:02:04.000 Well, that's Jeremy's Razors at work!

00:02:07.000 The most amazing thing about, and I haven't said this anywhere obviously, this is my first time on the show and my first time to share this information publicly, we've sold 25,000 Razor subscriptions in our first three days as a company.

00:02:19.000 Which is an amazing thing, obviously, and it makes the joke much funnier.

00:02:23.000 The thing you have to know about me is that I like to tell very, very expensive jokes.

00:02:27.000 Smokey Mike and the God King being one of them.

00:02:29.000 Right.

00:02:30.000 And I like to tell jokes where people don't know if you're kidding or not.

00:02:33.000 That's always very important to me.

00:02:34.000 And with With this, I was so incensed by—not by Harry's Razors pulling their ads, which, that's just the market at work.

00:02:41.000 If an advertiser wants to pull their ads out of our shows because they're going through an economic hard time, if they want to pull ads from our show because the ads aren't working, if they just don't like the cut of our jib, all of that is fair game.

00:02:51.000 If they attack us on their way out publicly, well, that's just bad behavior.

00:02:55.000 That's rude behavior.

00:02:56.000 We were good partners.

00:02:57.000 We told our audience, leveraged our personal credibility to tell our audience about Harry's razors, our conservative audience, by the way.

00:03:03.000 Harry's knew what they were getting.

00:03:04.000 They knew what they were buying.

00:03:05.000 And on their way out, they decided to virtue signal and respond to a tweet that had two followers and say that we had inexcusable views and a case of values misalignment.

00:03:16.000 And I thought, well, I I still have the same audience I had yesterday.

00:03:20.000 Why don't I tell that audience that Harry's doesn't want their business?

00:03:22.000 I don't see why we should... I don't see why we should put up with that.

00:03:25.000 We'll save some of that too, because I just want to run through the intros, but we'll loop back.

00:03:28.000 Wait, there's intros?

00:03:29.000 Yeah.

00:03:30.000 I thought the whole thing was like an extended commercial.

00:03:32.000 Yes!

00:03:34.000 You stole my introduction time right from me.

00:03:38.000 Should we pause and discuss what percentage I'm going to be getting?

00:03:43.000 Yeah, by the way, ol' Smokey Mike and the God King.

00:03:45.000 I don't know what Smokey Mike's talents are, but I know the God King never released a hit without him.

00:03:51.000 I'm Seamus Coghlan of Freedom Tunes.

00:03:53.000 We just released a video this morning, as well as a video two days ago.

00:03:56.000 Tim, Voice, Dr. Fauci, and both of them.

00:03:58.000 They were both a blast to make.

00:04:00.000 I really recommend you guys go check those out.

00:04:02.000 And if you want to donate at Patreon, you'll get to see the behind the scenes of Tim and I recording it, doing some improv, and the whole production coming together.

00:04:08.000 It was a lot of fun.

00:04:09.000 Yeah, it's also Seamus's birthday.

00:04:11.000 It's also my birthday!

00:04:12.000 Happy birthday, homie!

00:04:14.000 Nice, big year.

00:04:14.000 27.

00:04:16.000 Which is the beginning of your saternal return.

00:04:17.000 Which is why they forced me to come back.

00:04:19.000 I was like, I just- Little old to be a virgin?

00:04:21.000 No, it's not.

00:04:22.000 Rude, wow.

00:04:23.000 Actually, you're not too old to be a virgin if you're not married.

00:04:25.000 There you go.

00:04:26.000 I've heard that the age from age 27 to 30 is the saternal return, and what you do for those years basically dictates what you're going to be doing for the rest of your life.

00:04:33.000 Not a one-to-one ratio, but it worked that way for me.

00:04:36.000 I will say that the prohibition against premarital sex in the Bible was meant to encourage people to get married.

00:04:42.000 Not to just masturbate late into old age.

00:04:44.000 I mean, you just shouldn't masturbate at all.

00:04:46.000 It's supposed to happen.

00:04:47.000 Let's talk about that in the after show.

00:04:51.000 Oh, hey, Ian Crossland here.

00:04:52.000 And you know, I don't use a straight edge.

00:04:53.000 I haven't in a long time anyway.

00:04:54.000 But if you guys looking at going into electric razors, I like that.

00:04:58.000 I like where your razors are at.

00:05:02.000 Anyway, I'm just going to pass this over to Lydia.

00:05:04.000 Thank you, Ian.

00:05:05.000 I appreciate that.

00:05:05.000 I'm very excited to be here tonight.

00:05:07.000 Love Jeremy Boring.

00:05:07.000 He's one of my favorite non-commentators of the Daily Wire.

00:05:10.000 Somebody in the comments was saying that he is smart and polished, so I'm really looking forward to tonight's show.

00:05:16.000 I'm one of her favorite non-commentators.

00:05:18.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:05:19.000 Because you keep it to a minimum.

00:05:20.000 I've already heard some comments.

00:05:22.000 It's just very precise.

00:05:24.000 I was going to say, you're like me in that you save up your words and keep it down.

00:05:28.000 Yeah, that's great.

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00:06:07.000 And we've got to read this first story.

00:06:09.000 In just three days, the Jeremy's Razors Twitter account surpasses Harry's in followers.

00:06:16.000 So many of you heard a little bit already about this.

00:06:17.000 You know a little bit about it.

00:06:18.000 For those that aren't familiar, Harry's Razors is woke.

00:06:23.000 They denounced the Daily Wire's audience.

00:06:25.000 The Daily Wire launched their own version, essentially, Jeremy's Razors, which now has a, what do you say, Jeremy, 25,000 subscriptions.

00:06:33.000 Yeah, 25,000 subscriptions in 72 hours.

00:06:36.000 I'll just say real quick, and we can get into the beginning, the story of all this, The building of culture, the building of infrastructure, which means the ability for someone to buy a razor.

00:06:46.000 You know, people watch Netflix because where else can you go?

00:06:49.000 Well, now the Daily Wire's got something.

00:06:50.000 People buy Harry's razors or Gillette because they need razors.

00:06:54.000 And these companies are investing your money in things that you don't value or in people that hate you.

00:07:00.000 So what The Daily Wire is doing is profoundly important.

00:07:03.000 Many people are doing it, but you guys seem to be leading the charge.

00:07:05.000 So, Jeremy, do you want to tell us just a bit about how this started?

00:07:09.000 Yep.

00:07:09.000 Your position and where you're at?

00:07:11.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:07:12.000 I mean, what you said, I think, is a big part of it.

00:07:14.000 Like, conservatives have been, you know, sort of in retreat for most of my life, certainly for the last 15 or 20 years.

00:07:21.000 And as a result of that, we've sort of taken a very pessimistic view.

00:07:25.000 Conservatives spend a lot of time lamenting the loss of the past,

00:07:27.000 lamenting the loss of the economy, lamenting the loss of their place in the culture.

00:07:33.000 And Daily Wire has a different attitude.

00:07:35.000 We're not lamenting anything.

00:07:36.000 We're happy to be alive right now.

00:07:38.000 Like, I'm glad that we live at a time where black people can drink from the same

00:07:41.000 water fountains that I do.

00:07:42.000 Whatever a water fountain is, I guess they can drink from the same water bottles that I can.

00:07:46.000 And I'm glad that we have penicillin.

00:07:49.000 There's a lot that's great about the modern age.

00:07:52.000 What I want to do is take the great values that were established and worked in the past, learned from the past, and build on a foundation.

00:07:57.000 I want to be proactive.

00:07:58.000 I want to be optimistic about the future.

00:08:00.000 I don't want to lament the past.

00:08:01.000 I want to build the future.

00:08:03.000 And so when someone like Harry's virtue signals publicly and attacks my business, I wanna build my own business.

00:08:12.000 Conservatives deserve razors too.

00:08:13.000 And I think that it's an important, these world corporations,

00:08:17.000 they think that they can sort of rip the culture in half and not pay any economic consequence for it.

00:08:23.000 So I wanna rip the economy in half.

00:08:24.000 I wanna say, no, if you can't just alienate 50% of the audience,

00:08:30.000 of the people in the country, and still expect them to buy your goods and services,

00:08:33.000 they should buy their own goods and services.

00:08:35.000 And that sounds like I'm saying that I think we should be further balkanized,

00:08:39.000 that I think that we should be further divided.

00:08:40.000 I do in the short term, but I don't in the longterm.

00:08:44.000 I desire a country where we're all citizens together, where we can embrace disagreement, where we can embrace political processes.

00:08:51.000 I just think things are so out of alignment right now that to return to a place like that, you have to create economic incentive.

00:08:58.000 And the only way to create economic incentive, it's not with temporary boycotts.

00:09:01.000 It's not with complain culture online.

00:09:04.000 It's not with doom scrolling.

00:09:05.000 It's with actively building things that now require companies like Harry's to compete for our business.

00:09:12.000 Exactly.

00:09:13.000 Competition.

00:09:14.000 Competition.

00:09:15.000 So did Harry's have any wind of what you guys were planning on doing?

00:09:19.000 Or do you want to just give us the quick version of the story for anyone who doesn't know?

00:09:21.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:09:22.000 So one of the people who works for me, a peon named Michael Knowles.

00:09:27.000 Oh, the worst.

00:09:28.000 I know none of you have ever heard of him.

00:09:29.000 Who has?

00:09:31.000 Michael was on a podcast with another of our hosts, Candace Owens, but it was not a Daily Wire podcast.

00:09:37.000 It was a Prager University podcast, and it wasn't a year ago.

00:09:41.000 It was several years ago.

00:09:42.000 Wow.

00:09:43.000 And they had a conversation about how gender dysphoria has historically been categorized as a mental illness.

00:09:50.000 I believe it.

00:09:50.000 Is it currently in the DSM-5?

00:09:52.000 It was.

00:09:53.000 That was the conversation.

00:09:53.000 It was a respectful conversation.

00:09:55.000 A respectful conversation.

00:09:57.000 Fast forward a couple of years.

00:09:59.000 One year ago in March.

00:10:00.000 One year ago right now.

00:10:02.000 And a Twitter account that had two followers.

00:10:04.000 A high schooler.

00:10:05.000 A high schooler with two followers pointed out to Harry's that this conversation had taken place and Harry's immediately reacted.

00:10:12.000 on their Twitter account and said, you know, this is inexcusable, this is values misalignment,

00:10:17.000 we're pulling all of our ads, and we're gonna make sure there's no further values misalignment

00:10:22.000 in how we conduct our sponsorships. Well, when you do that, you're signaling to all of my other

00:10:28.000 advertisers that the only excusable thing to do would be to also pull your business from the

00:10:34.000 Daily Wire.

00:10:35.000 That makes it an attack on my business, right?

00:10:37.000 It's not just you taking your spend, which you can do any time you want.

00:10:40.000 It's you attacking your company, a company that had been your partner previously.

00:10:44.000 It's also attacking my audience.

00:10:46.000 You're saying my entire audience, an audience you paid us.

00:10:49.000 to go help you sell razors to has inexcusable values. And I'm just not going to put up with

00:10:54.000 that anymore. I think one of the beauties of this medium that we all have this this digital

00:10:59.000 presence that we all have is that there are so many fewer gatekeepers. I don't have to make,

00:11:03.000 you know, the radio syndication network happy. They did radio syndication network

00:11:09.000 wants you to just take cancellations laying down because they have other shows.

00:11:13.000 They don't want to get into a war with the advertisers.

00:11:16.000 But, you know, with your show, with our shows, we're still going to have the same number of people watching tomorrow, whether Harry's razors advertises with us or not.

00:11:25.000 So why wouldn't I embrace that freedom?

00:11:27.000 Why wouldn't I use that same amount of time that I used to spend telling people to buy Harry's?

00:11:32.000 Which, by the way, Harry's is a great razor.

00:11:34.000 I was proud to tell people to buy Harry's.

00:11:36.000 I was proud that we supported their product.

00:11:40.000 But they don't want my audience to buy their razors clearly.

00:11:43.000 So I'm going to spend that same amount of time telling my audience that Harry's doesn't want their business, and I do.

00:11:47.000 And you're going to make more money.

00:11:49.000 Do you ever think that adding an extension to the handle of the razor would be good so you could shave your back?

00:11:54.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:11:56.000 That sounds dangerous.

00:11:57.000 Yeah, it could be.

00:11:58.000 Yeah, a little bit.

00:11:59.000 Maybe put a warning label on it.

00:12:00.000 Do you have back shaving problems?

00:12:01.000 No, I'm just thinking for the future.

00:12:03.000 Just in case.

00:12:04.000 A back shaver?

00:12:05.000 We all have back shaver problems at some point.

00:12:09.000 We may not have them today, but the day is coming.

00:12:11.000 That's right.

00:12:12.000 Yeah.

00:12:13.000 So where are you at?

00:12:15.000 Can you mention how many subscriptions?

00:12:17.000 25,000 subscriptions we've sold in 72 hours, which makes us the dog who caught the car.

00:12:21.000 I mean, for us, the commercial was everything.

00:12:24.000 And this is what I told my team all year.

00:12:25.000 We were sourcing razors.

00:12:26.000 We were mixing up shaving creams and seeing if we liked them.

00:12:29.000 What was important to me, though, was whether we ever sell a razor or not, the commercial has to be a statement about The Daily Wire.

00:12:35.000 It has to be a statement about our brand.

00:12:37.000 It has to say that we're proactive, that we're having a good time, that we're looking to the future, that we're not going to take cancellations laying down.

00:12:44.000 It has to remind our audience what we are and what we stand for.

00:12:47.000 If we happen to sell any razors, it'll just make the joke that much funnier.

00:12:50.000 Well, now I'm the dog who caught the car.

00:12:51.000 I have an actual business now I have to stand up over the next two weeks to make sure that we can keep up with the demand that's out there for these razors.

00:12:57.000 I just want to get the timeline accurate.

00:13:00.000 A year ago they pulled the ads.

00:13:02.000 So you've been in the process this last year building everything.

00:13:05.000 How long did it take to produce the commercial?

00:13:08.000 It was a three-day shoot and five or six weeks of post-production to get the commercial out.

00:13:14.000 Nice.

00:13:15.000 Five million views since the 22nd, so not even two full days.

00:13:19.000 It's 4.9 million views.

00:13:20.000 Yeah.

00:13:21.000 It's amazing.

00:13:22.000 Oh, was that a real flamethrower?

00:13:23.000 It's a real flamethrower.

00:13:24.000 Beautiful.

00:13:24.000 It's not the smartest idea I ever had to fire a flamethrower in my office, but it's definitely the most badass.

00:13:30.000 Jeremy.

00:13:30.000 And that's Elad's, right?

00:13:31.000 And it works.

00:13:32.000 Jeremy, Jeremy.

00:13:33.000 The Boring Company?

00:13:34.000 Yeah, is it made by The Boring Company?

00:13:36.000 It is The Boring Company Flamethrower.

00:13:39.000 Jeremy Boring fired The Boring Flamethrower at Gillette & Harry's.

00:13:43.000 It was not boring.

00:13:45.000 Oh, that's awesome.

00:13:46.000 Do you believe in synergy, like in divine interconfluence and things?

00:13:50.000 I definitely believe that if Elon Musk will retweet my razor company, I will sell even more bajillions of razor blades.

00:13:59.000 Actually, this will be the most kiss-assy thing that I say on the show.

00:14:02.000 Elon Musk is the greatest living American.

00:14:04.000 He's the most important person in the country because he has an affirmative vision for the future of the country.

00:14:10.000 I don't know his politics.

00:14:12.000 I'm sure I disagree with him on 50% of everything, but that's a guy who has a vision for what we can be tomorrow.

00:14:18.000 He's not one of these, like, boomer lefties who's still fighting the cultural revolution of the 1960s or the economic revolution of the 19-teens and 20s in Europe.

00:14:28.000 You know, trying to socialize the country.

00:14:29.000 And he's not a boomer conservative who's just talking about how great things used to be back when we were still young and rock and roll.

00:14:34.000 He's a guy who's going, no, no, we can actually build something.

00:14:37.000 We can build, our best days are ahead of us.

00:14:38.000 Let's go build.

00:14:39.000 We were talking about leadership last night and Savannah Hernandez saying we need leaders.

00:14:42.000 And I thought, yeah, you don't, but you, what you don't want as a guy to step up and be like, I'm your leader.

00:14:45.000 Now you want someone like Elon or like you that's like building something that people can, you just casually building it.

00:14:51.000 And people look at you like a leader because of what you've created and what you're creating.

00:14:55.000 I agree with you that I'm a lot like Elon.

00:14:56.000 Your beard's very nice, by the way.

00:14:59.000 I don't know if I mentioned that earlier.

00:15:01.000 And I think for the average person, they just look at Elon and you as very, very wealthy, successful people who have a vision for something.

00:15:08.000 Elon, though, is he the richest guy on the planet?

00:15:11.000 I think so.

00:15:12.000 I think Bezos is ahead of him, no?

00:15:16.000 Even if Bezos is ahead today, you just have to remember that SpaceX hasn't gone public.

00:15:20.000 Oh, wow.

00:15:21.000 All of Elon's wealth really is Tesla, right?

00:15:24.000 I mean, when we think of his vast wealth as Tesla, what happens when you take SpaceX public?

00:15:28.000 I mean, the amount of money that that guy is actually worth, I think, is... Dude, he called it Starlink.

00:15:34.000 I think he's actually going to be linking star systems with that.

00:15:37.000 Yeah.

00:15:38.000 I don't know.

00:15:38.000 Maybe one day he'll build the Dyson sphere, but I think we're a long ways away from that.

00:15:43.000 Well, time, time can condense, you know, when you have a lot of time and space are the same thing.

00:15:48.000 So if you can move fast enough, you can, and if a lot of people are working together, it kind of condenses time too.

00:15:53.000 And if you have drones building things all at once in space, you can compile like large spacecraft really quickly.

00:15:59.000 Self-replicating machines we send off to other planets, perhaps, to just carry on the American vision.

00:16:04.000 Perfect.

00:16:05.000 That's it.

00:16:06.000 That's the end of existence.

00:16:07.000 I think you make an interesting point.

00:16:08.000 It's true that unfortunately a lot of what conservatives have been doing for the past 10 or 20 years has more or less just been complaining about the left, and it's really important for us to forward our own vision.

00:16:17.000 That's a huge part of what I try to do.

00:16:19.000 Agree or disagree with me, that's part of why I'm frequently talking about my faith and my own particular vision for conservatism.

00:16:24.000 Because even though I enjoy making fun of the left and pulling them apart, we actually have to give people something that they can believe in instead of just saying, that's bad, don't do it.

00:16:32.000 Well, let's talk about that.

00:16:33.000 So you guys are making movies.

00:16:35.000 We are.

00:16:35.000 Daily Wire.

00:16:36.000 You're making shows too.

00:16:38.000 How does it come to be that The Daily Wire, you guys are news aggregators and commentators for the most part, now you're in this cultural space.

00:16:46.000 How does that happen?

00:16:47.000 It was always part of the vision, right?

00:16:49.000 The company was founded in LA.

00:16:50.000 Obviously, Ben's lived in LA every minute that he wasn't at Harvard.

00:16:54.000 I spent 20-plus years in L.A.

00:16:55.000 before moving the company to Nashville at the end of 2020.

00:16:59.000 Andrew Klavan, screenwriter, novelist, was with the company from the very beginning.

00:17:03.000 There's always been this really kind of Hollywood foundation to what we do.

00:17:07.000 You know, I made a bunch of movies in a previous life.

00:17:11.000 They all failed, but I made them.

00:17:13.000 I'm proud of them.

00:17:15.000 And so, when Ben and I made the decision that we wanted to get into business together, one of the things that I told him, and it was an idea that another conservative commentator, Bill Whittle, helped me formulate, was that if we built a media company that was large enough, we would actually have a spotlight, and we could shine that spotlight on other kinds of projects that we might want to make.

00:17:35.000 And so, for me, that was always movies.

00:17:37.000 Like, I had a production company with some young actors when I was in my early and mid-twenties.

00:17:42.000 I had a production company later in life called Declaration Entertainment that was sort of just probably ahead of its time and underfunded to actually be what it maybe could have been, but was sort of intended to be like a crowdfunding film company before there were crowdfunding companies.

00:18:01.000 So that was always part of what I wanted, but I thought what we would do is we would build up a big enough audience that if I went and made something on the side, I could promote it.

00:18:08.000 To me, that's how I saw it.

00:18:09.000 But what happened in 2020, you know, everybody went home because of COVID.

00:18:14.000 Our office is on Ventura Boulevard in L.A.

00:18:17.000 It's the second time we've had to board up because Black Lives Matter is rallying on the street and we're afraid they'll burn down our building.

00:18:26.000 So I'm on the third floor of this office building with my business partner.

00:18:30.000 It's completely empty because no one's been to work in weeks and weeks and weeks.

00:18:33.000 And I said, Hollywood's over.

00:18:36.000 Like, what can they make now?

00:18:38.000 They've decided that the police are bad.

00:18:41.000 Literally 40% of everything that Hollywood makes is about a cop.

00:18:45.000 They can't do anything if this is the position they're going to take.

00:18:49.000 And that's when we realized not only had we built that spotlight that Ben and I had always wanted to build, But we had built something else, too.

00:18:56.000 We had actually built the distribution mechanism.

00:18:59.000 Because we had built this streaming video-on-demand platform for our podcasts, for the video versions of our podcasts.

00:19:05.000 And it just occurred to us in that moment, you know, the technology is agnostic as to what the content is.

00:19:10.000 We've essentially built Netflix, we just haven't put movies on it yet.

00:19:14.000 So if we bring in the one other thing you need for a successful entertainment company, it's just production.

00:19:21.000 If we bring in production, we actually have marketing and distribution.

00:19:24.000 Why don't we give that a try?

00:19:26.000 I know there isn't a god, but if you ever think about how the world has so much purpose and how everything's so complex and beautiful, it's almost like a god-like being, probably from outer space, built it all.

00:19:40.000 Not God, because that would be a silly thing for me to say.

00:19:42.000 That's insane, like, we're one of the crazy persons.

00:19:43.000 But like, just a God-like being, you know, if you really think about it.

00:19:46.000 That when the God-like being, sometimes there's this, like, fortuitousness or providence that happens in the world.

00:19:52.000 And as we're having this thought, Dallas Sonier, who's been a guest on this show, called me and said, hey, I made this great movie called Run, Hide, Fight, and Hollywood won't buy it because I've basically been blacklisted.

00:20:05.000 And we just saw that as an opportunity to test the theory.

00:20:07.000 If we put a great production through our marketing and through our distribution mechanism, what will happen?

00:20:11.000 It was an unbelievable success for us.

00:20:13.000 The movie paid for itself in something like seven days.

00:20:17.000 Wow.

00:20:18.000 And we realized that we had an actual now opportunity, and I always think opportunities are always responsibilities.

00:20:24.000 So now I say we have a responsibility to go chase this.

00:20:27.000 Let me tell you about impact.

00:20:28.000 I would like for you, sir, to please read the headline on the screen.

00:20:33.000 I watched a Ben Shapiro movie by accident.

00:20:38.000 That's right.

00:20:39.000 This is some leftist who watched, I believe they watched Shudden.

00:20:44.000 And, uh, liked it so much they tweeted how much they liked it, saying, if you're looking for something to watch, Shut In is pretty fun and Vincent Gallo gets his ass kicked if you're into that sort of thing.

00:20:53.000 That's a tweet I wrote a couple weeks ago.

00:20:55.000 Late on a Saturday night, it no longer exists.

00:20:57.000 The reason it doesn't exist is because almost immediately after I posted it, I got a DM from a friend.

00:21:01.000 Uh, you know that movie was produced by the ultra right-wing Daily Wire with only ultra right-wing producers, talent, and so forth for the market.

00:21:08.000 Um, what?

00:21:09.000 No, no, delete, delete, what?

00:21:11.000 Yep.

00:21:11.000 They're trying to make real movies now.

00:21:13.000 Sneak that ish in under the cover of actual production values.

00:21:17.000 For F's sake, this always happens to me.

00:21:19.000 I will be watching an ultra-evangelical movie and not realize it's ultra-evangelical.

00:21:23.000 I'll be listening to Christian radio and not realize it's a Christian radio.

00:21:26.000 If Jesus is around, I need him to announce himself, or I'll just think he's from Brooklyn.

00:21:30.000 That's smart.

00:21:31.000 The funny thing about this is that I hope it's satire, and it may be, but I'm assuming it's not.

00:21:37.000 I don't know.

00:21:39.000 It's the greatest article.

00:21:40.000 I mean, at the end, they say, maybe if you keep doing this, maybe one day I'll watch one of your movies on purpose.

00:21:46.000 Real quick, we did talk about this the other day, but I just want to point out, you know, with you here, eat your thoughts.

00:21:53.000 This is someone who's saying they actually really enjoy Evangelical movies or the Daily Wire's content, but it says a lot that they're unwilling to watch things they enjoy because of cult-like behavior.

00:22:07.000 And so the point I made before we got on the show is, thinking about your commercial with Jeremy's Razors, it's an objectively funny commercial.

00:22:15.000 Okay.

00:22:15.000 Obviously, you know, humor is objective to a lot of people, but it's very much in line with a lot of the, you know, the real American heroes bits that were happening out through the 2000s, 2010s, you know, real men of whatever and that stuff.

00:22:27.000 And it's an over-the-top, it's silly, use a flamethrower to torch, and there's a lot of jokes.

00:22:31.000 It's funny.

00:22:32.000 The Native American Elizabeth Warren you have standing behind you.

00:22:34.000 A lot of jokes in there.

00:22:35.000 The people who claim it's not funny or they don't like it, they're only saying that because they're part of a cult they have to adhere to.

00:22:40.000 That's right.

00:22:41.000 Privately, they admit they like your movies, but they must say they don't like it for the sake of their political tribe.

00:22:47.000 Well, also when these people say something isn't funny, am I supposed to sit there and go, well, you know, the things you think are hilarious tend to be really valuable and enjoyable to watch.

00:22:55.000 So of course I trust your opinion on this.

00:22:57.000 I mean, none of their comedy is good, but part of why I think this, and I could be wrong, part of why I think that this is probably satire is because unfortunately, most of the stuff that conservatives and evangelicals make tends not to be funny or entertaining and they're, Saying that they keep seeing things made by evangelicals that they don't know are evangelical, which is kind of part of why I'm thinking it's satirical, but I could be wrong.

00:23:16.000 I'd like to quote Justin Roiland or his character, Rick Sanchez.

00:23:21.000 Your boos mean nothing.

00:23:22.000 I've seen what makes you cheer.

00:23:24.000 Best quote.

00:23:25.000 So there you go.

00:23:26.000 I mean, first of all, the funny thing is they cheered for your guys' movie.

00:23:32.000 And they're only booing it now when they realized who made it.

00:23:34.000 I'm like, nah, you can't take it back.

00:23:35.000 You cheered for it.

00:23:36.000 We know you like it.

00:23:37.000 Yeah, as an insecure artist, you know, anytime anybody says they like anything that I did, I don't hear anything they say after that.

00:23:46.000 It's all a buzz.

00:23:48.000 So what's the plan?

00:23:49.000 What's next?

00:23:50.000 TV shows?

00:23:51.000 TV shows, movies.

00:23:52.000 We, you know, as with the Razor Company, we just see a lot of opportunity in the destruction that the left is bringing to the culture right now.

00:24:00.000 I mean, I think it's tragic.

00:24:02.000 Listen, if I could snap my fingers and put the country back together and have everything be like it was back when I grew up, I'd probably do it.

00:24:08.000 If I could be dictator, that's what I'd... I'd just say, hey, it should be 1990s all over again.

00:24:12.000 I kind of like the 1990s.

00:24:13.000 The 90s were epic, dude.

00:24:14.000 Yeah, like there was no... the races all got along, and everybody was doing pretty well, and 401k was going up.

00:24:19.000 That's right.

00:24:20.000 Transformers, Beast Wars, come on.

00:24:22.000 Dude, 97, 93.

00:24:23.000 But you can't do that.

00:24:25.000 And it would be disingenuous for us to say, in all of this destruction, there's not an opportunity for creativity.

00:24:32.000 No, absolutely.

00:24:32.000 There is and we should take it.

00:24:35.000 I totally agree and this is part of why I got into this sphere.

00:24:37.000 Firstly, I just always wanted to make entertaining content.

00:24:40.000 I lean right people on the show who watch me regularly know this and what ended up happening is I just got to a place after I launched my channel and was doing these political cartoons for a little while where I just realized I didn't really need to try to put a message into anything.

00:24:52.000 I just needed to make something that I thought was funny And my values would naturally come out in it.

00:24:57.000 So often what happens when conservatives try to make content, or evangelicals, Christians, even Catholics try to make content, is they will really hit you over the head with what the central message is supposed to be instead of just making something that's enjoyable to watch.

00:25:10.000 And it turns out really cheesy.

00:25:11.000 Now what's ended up happening over the past couple years is the left has adopted that strategy.

00:25:16.000 And so much of what they produce is message first, substance later.

00:25:21.000 And so you're absolutely correct that they're tearing their whole empire down because I remember as a kid we used to watch films and television shows from the 1950s or 60s with our dad and he would make comments about how they could never make that today.

00:25:33.000 Now we're saying that about things that were made 10 years ago.

00:25:35.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:25:37.000 How do you guys get around the ESG stuff that's been coming?

00:25:41.000 You're familiar with the... What is it?

00:25:43.000 Environmental, social... Governance?

00:25:45.000 Yeah.

00:25:45.000 So, real quick, for those that aren't familiar, this is basically social credit scores for businesses.

00:25:50.000 And they expect you to be woke, to have these, you know, diversity statements.

00:25:54.000 Otherwise, they could negatively impact your ability to get loans and things like that.

00:25:57.000 So, The Daily Wire is making all this content.

00:26:00.000 You guys are going after culture, but isn't there a risk there if these other institutions come at you?

00:26:04.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of risk everywhere.

00:26:06.000 One of the problems I think that conservatives face right now, and in the economy more broadly, is there are so many potential vectors of attack.

00:26:13.000 And you could put a lot of money into chasing any one of them, and then that could just not be where the attack comes.

00:26:19.000 So you wasted all of your resources trying to plan for a disaster that never came, and now the disaster can come from a whole other angle.

00:26:26.000 An example of this, conservatives want to build their own social media platforms right now.

00:26:29.000 You know, you hear every time I talk to any sort of like conservative billionaire, the first thing they say is, when are we going to get a Facebook?

00:26:35.000 And I say, Facebook is 20 years old, bud.

00:26:39.000 You will probably get one 10 years from now.

00:26:41.000 It's been half a biblical generation since it was created, so I think that you're getting close.

00:26:46.000 Soon you will have one.

00:26:47.000 But that's the whole problem with conservatism from an investment class point of view.

00:26:52.000 Most high net worth conservatives made their money in energy, or they made their money in real estate, they made their money in agriculture, very conservative ways of making money.

00:27:01.000 The result of that is, if a kid with a backpack walks into their family office and says, hey, I designed an app that lets you rank how hot girls on campus are, I think if you gave me a little capital, I could turn it into the dominant communication platform ever conceived in all of human history, they would call security and throw that guy out.

00:27:18.000 Now, 20 years later, they go, why don't we have a seat at that table?

00:27:21.000 But if a kid with a backpack walked in now and pitched him blockchain or pitched him meta, they would have the same reaction that they had 20 years... So, it's like, I bet we have a conservative Facebook in 10 years, and I bet that we have a conservative metaverse in 45 years from now, right?

00:27:35.000 Like, that's the problem.

00:27:37.000 And so, but as with all problems, it creates certain opportunity.

00:27:41.000 We found an early investor in our company who was able to Get us off the ground.

00:27:46.000 We took money from them that helped us for the first 14 months.

00:27:50.000 In month 14, the daily wire was cash flow positive.

00:27:53.000 We've paid for all of our growth since then out of cash flow.

00:27:57.000 We did $120 million of revenue in the last 12 months.

00:28:00.000 You know, it's a it's a sometimes I get angry when people are billionaires pay for everything you do. No, no, no

00:28:06.000 Like many companies we we were privileged to get some startup capital, but we funded all of this out of our

00:28:12.000 success So you're just saying daily wire pulls in 10 million a

00:28:15.000 month Yeah, and because and because of that the ESG stuff right

00:28:18.000 now doesn't apply to us, right?

00:28:21.000 Because we funded our own growth.

00:28:22.000 It's sort of like your situation here.

00:28:24.000 You've built something.

00:28:25.000 Now, you didn't even have the amount of startup capital that we had, but you've built something that you own, and because you own it, you can't be canceled from it.

00:28:31.000 You can't be thrown out of it.

00:28:32.000 Now, Our goal at The Daily Wire is to become an institution.

00:28:36.000 Our goal at The Daily Wire is to challenge the left on an institutional level, because we think that's the only place that true victory can take place.

00:28:42.000 Maybe at some point we'll have to go to the public markets.

00:28:46.000 But what we won't do is get caught up in the CSG stuff.

00:28:49.000 It may come to, at a certain point, we have to decide, do we subject ourselves to forces that change what we are, or do we not grow?

00:28:57.000 The risk I see is... Yeah.

00:29:01.000 Well, I'll phrase it this way.

00:29:02.000 When I watched that commercial you put out, when I saw the building you were in, and the TV and the structure, I'm like, that reminds me of Vice.

00:29:10.000 You know, when I worked there, when they were edgy, when they were offensive, when they were shocking, the way they designed their buildings, and I was like, man, is The Daily Wire like Vice now, like how they used to be.

00:29:22.000 How did Vice go from being sex, drugs, and rock and roll into wokeness, outright establishment?

00:29:29.000 And there comes a time.

00:29:30.000 Hundreds of millions in institutional capital.

00:29:32.000 Do they go public?

00:29:34.000 Well, they want to.

00:29:34.000 I think they're trying to go through a SPAC.

00:29:36.000 They've wanted to for a while.

00:29:37.000 My understanding is, what I was told by former higher-ups who are at the company, is that They had been attacked so many times by harassment complaints, sexual harassment, that the press was bad.

00:29:50.000 And they had paid people out, and there was a risk of certain stories going public.

00:29:55.000 So their investors said, just declare yourselves a feminist company, make feminist content, adopt this, and you'll shield yourself from these claims.

00:30:05.000 And so this is what I was told, and this is someone who I worked with, I worked at Vice, they said, when the investors came in and said, be a feminist company and you will be safer from these attacks, they said, okay.

00:30:17.000 Because the executives didn't care, so my understanding is, they were just like, hey, whatever gets people off our back, you guys, no problem, we just want to make cash and run a business.

00:30:28.000 None of these executives care.

00:30:29.000 Disney doesn't care about the grooming law down in Florida, right?

00:30:32.000 Of course they don't.

00:30:34.000 What they care about is their 23-year-old woke employees making it impossible for them to conduct their business.

00:30:40.000 What they care about is the fact that the left is so skilled at weaponizing,

00:30:45.000 and they want to avoid those attacks of their business.

00:30:47.000 And so it's a—the thing about virtue is that it's actually a really cheap currency.

00:30:53.000 You just say something.

00:30:54.000 Hollywood's always peddled in this, you know, even in the glory days of the 90s, you know, and we're all walking around sucking on a big gulp or whatever.

00:31:01.000 You know, everybody in Hollywood wanted to save the freaking whales.

00:31:05.000 Because of course they want to save the whales.

00:31:06.000 Because when you're on like your third marriage and four out of your five kids are in rehab and... Gotta save something, I guess.

00:31:14.000 Everyone needs to see themselves as good on some level.

00:31:17.000 And if you're good for... Christians do this too, by the way.

00:31:21.000 Everyone—an easy out is to find an abstract way to be good.

00:31:24.000 You know, it says in one of the epistles written by the Apostle John that it's easier to love your neighbor whom you know than to love God.

00:31:34.000 And Christian—every time you talk to a Christian, they'll go, well, that's not really true.

00:31:37.000 I mean, my neighbor's kind of a jerk, my brother's kind of a jerk, but of course I love God.

00:31:40.000 And I said, well, you don't.

00:31:41.000 I mean, God himself in the epistle says that you don't.

00:31:46.000 You say that you do because you've abstracted a God that you can love more than your brother whom you know.

00:31:51.000 You've created a God to love who approves of you and who doesn't have anything that you disapprove of.

00:31:57.000 Your neighbor, your brother who you know, has all kinds of crap that you don't approve of.

00:32:01.000 And so you see like, it's very easy to give money to African missionary work or African charities or to save the whales or to save the environment.

00:32:08.000 These are ways of abstracting your way out of having to deal with the messy reality of the world.

00:32:13.000 If you really care about people, You interact with those actual people and try to make improvements into their lives, right?

00:32:20.000 Yeah, I would actually agree with that.

00:32:21.000 And I would go as far as to say when somebody says that they love God, but they hate the people around them, don't do anything to improve their circumstances, either materially or spiritually, that person really worships themselves because their vision of God is just, as you said, something abstract that caters to all of their particular desires.

00:32:38.000 One thing that I think our society has really lost is people are not focused as much on what is near to them.

00:32:44.000 They want to solve problems on the other side of the world.

00:32:46.000 That's a huge part of progressive politics.

00:32:48.000 In fact, you could argue it's the only part of progressive politics is to defer responsibility elsewhere.

00:32:53.000 Historically, people understood you were supposed to love those closest to you, care for your family first and foremost, and then you started to worry about the people around you.

00:33:02.000 Now it's the exact opposite.

00:33:04.000 I can treat my family horribly, but as long as I, in fact, If I'm theoretically good to someone on the other side of the world, I'm a good person, even though my entire social life is a complete failure.

00:33:11.000 The greatest psychologist of our time has a statement.

00:33:15.000 Jordan Peterson, you have to clean your room, man!

00:33:17.000 But that's exactly the meme.

00:33:19.000 The meme is, you can't change the world if you can't even get your own life in order.

00:33:23.000 But I want to point something else out, too.

00:33:27.000 When I'm looking at this article from Defector, and they're holding up a sign saying, F.U.

00:33:31.000 Ben Ishpiro, like just cussing at him, I think to myself, I don't, I don't recall seeing conservatives holding up signs saying F.U.

00:33:40.000 Uygur, or to be fair, obviously sometimes they do, but it's kind of a common occurrence among the left to hate Yeah.

00:33:49.000 and to hate without trying to understand.

00:33:51.000 So I'm thinking about Darrell Davis.

00:33:54.000 He's been working with Bill Ottman over at Mines.

00:33:56.000 They wanna de-radicalize extremists, not de-platform them.

00:33:58.000 It's one of the things they're working on.

00:33:59.000 And Darrell Davis, you know, he's the guy who went to Klan meetings, a black man,

00:34:03.000 and just talked to these people to try and understand them, ends up de-radicalizing them.

00:34:07.000 It's fascinating because when I see how the modern left, the activist left, not like regular run-of-the-mill,

00:34:14.000 you know, Democrat voters, they're, you know, mostly just regular people aren't paying attention maybe.

00:34:19.000 But these activists just, they hate.

00:34:21.000 They hate so much.

00:34:22.000 It's the weirdest thing that Glenn Beck can tell Dave Rubin, I disagree with you, and I think what you're doing is wrong, but I love you.

00:34:28.000 And what do they say?

00:34:29.000 They say, F you, Ben-ish-pero.

00:34:32.000 I'm like, man, Glenn Beck tells the people he disagrees with that he loves them.

00:34:35.000 They tell you they hate you.

00:34:37.000 I don't understand why anybody would wanna be a part of that.

00:34:39.000 Well, this is the problem with dogma and ideology and politics is that they allow you not to have to actually engage with the world as it is.

00:34:39.000 Yeah.

00:34:49.000 You're only required to engage with the world sort of as you perceive it, juxtaposed against a code of your, essentially of your own making.

00:34:57.000 And people can say, well, no, my dogma is, is 2000 years old or my dogma is, uh, well, it's, you know, come straight from Athens or whatever it is.

00:35:04.000 But the truth is, uh, if you're a person who can't engage in reality, Then your dogma is an abstract.

00:35:11.000 Your dogma is just a reflection of things that you want, and it's a way of, to your point, mitigating responsibility for the actual people around you.

00:35:19.000 You know, you... I've thought a little bit about our... I actually was about to say something that I had committed not to say on the air, so I'm not going to say it.

00:35:27.000 Thank you.

00:35:27.000 Nice work.

00:35:29.000 It's rare that I make a good decision, but I just made a good decision.

00:35:31.000 I hear you.

00:35:32.000 But it's so important, you know, God, if you're going to believe in God or the God-like alien who actually made the heavens and the earth, there's a whole conversation there.

00:35:42.000 You actually have to believe, like, God has to be the God of reality.

00:35:45.000 I took a friend, 10 years ago, I'm married to a woman, I never talk, I won't say her name or talk about her too much, but I will tell you this funny story that I took a friend's future in-laws out to a movie 10 years ago, And the first thing that his future mother-in-law said to me after the movie was, I said, oh, did you enjoy the movie?

00:36:04.000 She goes, well, I don't really like movies.

00:36:05.000 I said, oh, great.

00:36:06.000 And she said, you know, you and your wife are married?

00:36:10.000 I said, yeah, we've been married a short amount of time.

00:36:11.000 She said, well, you know, in God's eyes, she's still married to her first husband.

00:36:14.000 And I said, oh, well, God must be an idiot.

00:36:17.000 Because that's not true.

00:36:17.000 Wrong.

00:36:19.000 That is not reality.

00:36:21.000 God has to be the God of reality, not the God of an abstract fantasy.

00:36:27.000 So I would argue as a Christian that it's an abstract fantasy that you can divorce and remarry if it was a legitimate marriage in the first place.

00:36:33.000 Because one of the definitions of marriage is that it's a lifelong commitment until death do you part.

00:36:38.000 But what would you argue as a Seamus?

00:36:40.000 As a Seamus?

00:36:41.000 Well, I mean, that's my belief.

00:36:44.000 Do you actually believe it or do you just believe that the Christians believe it?

00:36:47.000 No, I believe it.

00:36:47.000 I mean, I believe, I think most Christians don't believe it, unfortunately.

00:36:51.000 I think a lot of Christians have abandoned that.

00:36:53.000 It's not a popular teaching anymore.

00:36:54.000 I suppose you could define the word marriage meaning to mix.

00:36:56.000 So if you're going to mix your soul with something, if there is a God, if there's an energy field.

00:37:01.000 There's no unmixing that soul.

00:37:02.000 That's a good point.

00:37:03.000 Well, no, there's no unsaluting a solution, but I think you can reverse a mixture.

00:37:08.000 If you mix red and blue paint together, you ain't getting them back out.

00:37:13.000 I'll push back on that just a little bit.

00:37:21.000 Sure.

00:37:22.000 God's the God of reality.

00:37:23.000 Divorce exists in the Bible.

00:37:25.000 That's not a recommendation of divorce, which is a horrible, terrible thing.

00:37:28.000 But the idea that God lives in a sort of abstract, where things are as they should be, how far back do you take that?

00:37:38.000 Essentially, if that's the case, then God still lives in Eden, before the fall happened.

00:37:43.000 God still lives in a place where people haven't been living in sin, where people haven't been

00:37:47.000 making mistakes, where none of the eventualities that came from that causality of sin have

00:37:53.000 ever occurred.

00:37:54.000 And God is abstracted out of being the God of actual people in an actual place in an

00:37:58.000 actual time.

00:37:59.000 The God of the Bible, in my estimation, is a God who actually took on sin and took on

00:38:04.000 the consequences of sin on himself and Christ.

00:38:07.000 As a result of that, he becomes God of a reality that's—he becomes God of the people who

00:38:13.000 have existed in reality, not just the people who could have existed in the abstract.

00:38:17.000 So I just think that any time that we used... See, this is a great example.

00:38:21.000 That's a place where we use sort of a dogma or an ideology to deny a reality that's right in front of us.

00:38:26.000 I think you see it a lot with what's happening in Ukraine right now, by the way, where Uh, regardless of your opinion about NATO expansion, regardless of your opinion about, uh, the merits of Zelensky, regardless of your opinion about a lot of things, like Vladimir Putin actually did invade Ukraine and Ukraine did not want to be invaded, and you see a lot of people left and right, but particularly on the right, who are almost in denial.

00:38:47.000 about that situation because it doesn't line up with their political point of view.

00:38:50.000 They have a political point of view that Ukraine shouldn't have done certain things, or that Putin was more friendly to the West than he actually turned out to be, or that Putin was a better representative.

00:39:04.000 You even hear people on the right right now saying that Putin was a better representative of Christianity because he built a cathedral at one point in time or something.

00:39:11.000 And then actual reality takes place in front of them, they have a very hard time pivoting to accept it, because it's out of line with their expectations based on how they thought the world should be.

00:39:23.000 Yeah, Hitler was Time Man of the Year.

00:39:24.000 And they did appease him for a long time.

00:39:28.000 So I hear some of what you're saying, and I agree with some of what you're saying, but I would say where we definitely disagree is that I would argue that God Having moral prescriptions for us that we ourselves do not live up to does not mean that he's over abstracted or doesn't govern our reality because it's actually Christ in scripture who says what God has brought together.

00:39:49.000 Let no man put asunder and anyone who leaves their husband commits adultery, etc.

00:39:53.000 He also says if you have lust in your heart, you are an adulterer.

00:39:56.000 You're not on the path to adultery.

00:39:58.000 You're not kind of like an adulterer if you really think about it.

00:40:01.000 You are one.

00:40:02.000 If you're in a marriage and you're thinking about having sex with another woman, does that make you cheating on your wife?

00:40:07.000 Yes, that's adultery of the heart.

00:40:08.000 That's crazy.

00:40:08.000 How do you control your thoughts?

00:40:09.000 Like, you got to learn to control your thoughts.

00:40:11.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:40:11.000 Custody of the thoughts.

00:40:12.000 I mean, nothing happens in the world that didn't first happen in the human heart.

00:40:15.000 I would actually disagree.

00:40:16.000 I think the entire purpose of the Sermon on the Mount is to get us out of these abstractions.

00:40:20.000 It's to bring the full weight of condemnation.

00:40:24.000 It's so that no one can claim not to be an adulterer.

00:40:26.000 Not so that we can also try to figure out how to not commit adultery in our heads.

00:40:30.000 So, I would absolutely agree that people should not be sinnier, and it is certainly not my claim to say that I am not a sinner, or that I have not committed adultery of the heart, etc.

00:40:40.000 It's simply to say that I don't believe recognizing that negates the moral precepts that Christ put forward.

00:40:45.000 These are very profound moral, ethical, and religious questions that are very difficult to get into, especially You know, we could talk a bit more about, I suppose, in the members only segment, if you guys want to get into the core of it, because I love having these conversations.

00:40:58.000 But when you got into Ukraine, I was like, let's let's let's segue, you know, and then it's like it gets pulled back into the philosophical world.

00:41:04.000 They need razors in Ukraine.

00:41:05.000 Let's talk about it.

00:41:06.000 They do.

00:41:07.000 So here, basically, more than ever, this is me navigating a very hard segue back to this topic, which we have pulled up, which is Biden warning of real food shortages, food shortage risk over Russia's invasion into Ukraine.

00:41:19.000 We've been hearing murmurs about this, but it's very obvious.

00:41:22.000 Ukraine is the breadbasket of Europe.

00:41:23.000 They produce wheat.

00:41:24.000 Russia exports fertilizer.

00:41:26.000 We're no longer able to buy that fertilizer.

00:41:28.000 For the most part, the prices are skyrocketing, which means the spring planting season will be limited.

00:41:32.000 And that also means the fall harvest will be severely stunted.

00:41:35.000 So you can expect to see food shortages here and in Europe, and Biden is warning about it.

00:41:39.000 I think there's a couple of things to point out.

00:41:41.000 One is that Biden has basically said, what did he say?

00:41:45.000 We're going to disseminate food shortages around the world?

00:41:48.000 What a ridiculous thing to say.

00:41:49.000 Sounds like a Biden thing to say.

00:41:50.000 But, you know, people will be like, what he really meant was we're going to disseminate food around the world.

00:41:55.000 Well, you don't know what he meant.

00:41:56.000 He said he's going to make food shortages worse.

00:41:58.000 The other thing is, this is the direct result of a lack of culture coming from the right.

00:42:03.000 Because politics is downstream from culture, as Andrew Breitbart said.

00:42:07.000 And when you get a 2020 in which every channel, every movie, every media outlet is all screaming, Orange Man bad, it lights people up to get out there.

00:42:17.000 And I always bring up the story, man, people I know who have no business in politics.

00:42:22.000 I certainly think they have a right to be, but these are people who couldn't tell you what the Supreme Court was, how many justices it has, or even name a single member of Congress going out and voting.

00:42:30.000 Why?

00:42:31.000 Because their media and their culture tells them what to do.

00:42:34.000 Now we're seeing the ramifications of this.

00:42:36.000 Joe Biden as president is not responsible for every crisis we're dealing with, but he's certainly a bad leader who said he's going to be disseminating food shortages.

00:42:44.000 Now we get to experience those food shortages.

00:42:46.000 There's a promise.

00:42:47.000 Because to stop literal Hitler, you would elect anyone.

00:42:50.000 Yep.

00:42:51.000 It looks like the actual quote is, uh, we both talked about how we could increase and disseminate more rapidly food shortages.

00:43:01.000 That's a great quote.

00:43:02.000 That's our Biden!

00:43:05.000 It just makes me contemplate time, you know?

00:43:08.000 The passage of time.

00:43:12.000 Imagine guessing this situation five years ago.

00:43:15.000 Like, yeah, we're going to have these food shortages, and the president's going to go out, he's going to distribute the food shortages.

00:43:21.000 Um, imagine being Donald Trump, speaking at a rally and saying, if you vote for Joe Biden, you're going to have, your gas prices are going to go way up, the economy's going to be bad.

00:43:30.000 And you get freaking fact checked and shut down on Facebook for saying it, probably at the time.

00:43:34.000 Yeah.

00:43:34.000 Missing context, they would have said.

00:43:36.000 Oh yeah, yeah, no for sure.

00:43:37.000 I remember this one fact checker, someone quote tweeted me because I talked about Bill Clinton and Epstein's plane, and they fact checked it as false.

00:43:45.000 When you click the fact check, it's explained in great detail how I was correct.

00:43:51.000 It's the most insane thing.

00:43:52.000 They did it to Josh Hawley, PolitiFact did it, where they were like, Josh Hawley says that Judge Jackson was lenient to, let's just say child abusers, very extreme child abusers.

00:44:02.000 and they were like, mostly false.

00:44:04.000 And then you scroll down, it's like, well, it's true.

00:44:05.000 She was lenient to these people.

00:44:07.000 It isn't a, it isn't out of the ordinary for judges to be lenient.

00:44:11.000 And it's like, did he say it wasn't?

00:44:14.000 He just gave a fact.

00:44:15.000 So, well, this is the reality of where you're at when your cultural institutions are dominated by a cult

00:44:22.000 and by people who are intent on just controlling the system, even if it means burning it to the ground.

00:44:28.000 Yeah, the institutions in this country were always the real bulwark against state intrusion into our lives, right?

00:44:35.000 You had the states actually created the federal government, so that they're like the ultimate pre-federal institution.

00:44:40.000 You had the church, which was one of the most important institutions in the country.

00:44:43.000 You had other institutions, though, corporate America, I think, probably the,

00:44:47.000 it's unpleasant to say, but like, probably the institution that mattered the most in many ways

00:44:53.000 as a bulwark against state power. You had the family, the ultimate institution. And

00:44:57.000 what the left has done since the 60s is they've infiltrated every one of those institutions.

00:45:02.000 Since the state automatically essentially desires what the left desires, a state,

00:45:09.000 the natural state of a state is to grow its power over the individual, which is a left-wing goal.

00:45:15.000 Since that is the truth, when the left takes over all the institutions that allowed the people to essentially it solves the collective action problem of the people in defending their rights against the state.

00:45:27.000 Once the institutions are on the left, the institutions immediately essentially become an arm of the state.

00:45:34.000 And you see that with all these fact checkers.

00:45:35.000 You know, I actually I have a soft spot for Facebook.

00:45:38.000 I mean, Daily Wire has been the number one publisher in the world on Facebook 15 months in a row.

00:45:42.000 Wow.

00:45:43.000 We do really well on Facebook.

00:45:45.000 I think Mark Zuckerberg, if you were to talk to him personally, wouldn't see himself as a guy who has taken voices away from so many people.

00:45:52.000 He would see himself as the guy who's given a voice to a billion people.

00:45:55.000 Nevertheless, the institution that he's created, because, you know, 30,000 people at Facebook all walk in lockstep with the left, they've become an arm of the state.

00:46:05.000 And so instead of corporate America now, all the things we've been talking about all night, HR and all these things, instead of corporate America solving the collective issue, the collective action problem of the individual, they actually become a part of the state's power to shut down the individual.

00:46:20.000 And that's why you get these incredibly Orwellian expressions like fact checking.

00:46:25.000 How can you have a fact check that says you are mostly fall that something is mostly false which is completely true and what the answer is that missing context or mostly false the piece that they say was missing or that would have that created the falsehood is just their point of view not more information not more fact their point of view missing context if i say joe biden isn't a good president

00:46:51.000 you know, they will say, fact check, mostly false, missing context. And you'll read the article and

00:46:56.000 they'll say, well, hyperinflation, war overseas, the end of American hegemony, gas prices through

00:47:02.000 the roof, food shortages being disseminated around the globe. But other presidents have been bad.

00:47:08.000 They would say Joe Biden actually promised to disseminate those food shortages. So he's

00:47:12.000 keeping his campaign promises.

00:47:13.000 He's a good president.

00:47:14.000 Let me ask you.

00:47:15.000 We've had a few people on the show.

00:47:16.000 We recently had a more middle-of-the-road guy on the show, and sometimes we hear this from the moderates that, you know, oh, the both sides things.

00:47:24.000 I think both sides have their problems or whatever.

00:47:26.000 My response to this is like, look man, I personally have never been this staunch conservative guy.

00:47:31.000 I've actually, when I was younger, I went to Catholic school up until I was in sixth grade, then I went like anarcho-punk rock, hanging out with these hardcore like lefties, and then eventually kind of just found a middle-of-the-road place.

00:47:41.000 But when you have, I love going through the list of stories, Covington Kids, Russiagate, Ukrainegate, Jussie Smollett, Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, over and over again.

00:47:53.000 At a certain point, why aren't these people being like, I was lied to?

00:47:58.000 I shouldn't listen anymore.

00:48:00.000 You know, you've got these fact checkers who come out and they fact check stories that later turn out like the Hunter Biden laptop.

00:48:06.000 It didn't later turn out to be true.

00:48:08.000 It was always true.

00:48:10.000 They always knew that it was true.

00:48:11.000 What are your thoughts on this?

00:48:13.000 Are they faking it?

00:48:13.000 Are they lying?

00:48:14.000 Look, I talk about, I call it a cult all the time.

00:48:16.000 We call them the city urban liberal types.

00:48:19.000 Sorry, people living in cities, but you're the cult.

00:48:21.000 And what are your thoughts on this?

00:48:24.000 Why are they faking it?

00:48:25.000 Are they lying?

00:48:25.000 Are they just stupid?

00:48:26.000 I agree that it's a cult to some degree.

00:48:29.000 I mean, it looks like a cult if it looks like a cult, right?

00:48:31.000 And smells like a cult.

00:48:32.000 But I think that Andrew Klavan talks about this from time to time.

00:48:35.000 I'm loathe to agree with Andrew Klavan on anything.

00:48:40.000 But on just this one thing, he did christen me the God King.

00:48:43.000 So on these two things, I agree with Andrew.

00:48:46.000 Everything we're living through right now is because we as a species have not evolved to know what to do with the internet.

00:48:58.000 You know, the Protestant Reformation in many ways was a reaction to the advent of the printing press.

00:49:05.000 It seems funny to us, so far down the road from the printing press, the printing press was such a remarkable leap forward in technology for human beings.

00:49:14.000 Suddenly there was information available to everyone that formerly had only been available to the very, very elite few.

00:49:21.000 And to come to grips with that, took two generations and a war that wiped out millions of people in Europe, that ripped the church asunder, that ripped the world order asunder.

00:49:34.000 They printed words on paper, and the Protestant Reformation happened basically as a result.

00:49:39.000 And it's always that way when you have these moments of, you know, in many ways, World War I was a reaction to the Industrial Revolution.

00:49:48.000 When there's these enormous leaps forward in technology, people don't know what to do with it.

00:49:52.000 It takes a generation or two.

00:49:54.000 The internet Literally rewires our brains.

00:49:57.000 It has biological ramifications.

00:50:02.000 We have so much information, more information than any human being knows what to do with.

00:50:08.000 We have not solved how to take in all that information, how to sort through all of that information, how to come to conclusions.

00:50:15.000 And so what we've done is we've same thing we did when the printing press happened.

00:50:19.000 We've just become more tribal.

00:50:20.000 Since I can't sort through all the information, I have to believe that Tim knows how to sort

00:50:23.000 through the information. I have to believe that Jordan Peterson knows how to sort through the

00:50:26.000 information. I have to believe that Ben Shapiro knows how to sort through the information. I

00:50:29.000 have to believe. And the problem with that is some of the sorters are better than others.

00:50:33.000 I was wondering, you know, Joe Biden recently came out and said he referenced the fourth turning,

00:50:40.000 the Strassau generational theory.

00:50:42.000 You're familiar, I imagine?

00:50:43.000 He said, you know, between 1900 and 1946, you know, what did he say, 60 million people died.

00:50:48.000 Then there was a liberal world order, there'll be a new world order.

00:50:51.000 I was wondering, we talked a bit about how he brought that up, but I thought to myself, why was it that so many people died between 1900 and 1946?

00:50:58.000 You know, what was the catalyst for these emergent ideologies that opposed each other so fiercely?

00:51:05.000 And I wonder if it was radio.

00:51:07.000 All of a sudden we've got serialized radio programs, radio news.

00:51:10.000 Hitler used mass media.

00:51:11.000 That was how he became Hitler.

00:51:13.000 So imagine you are the average person and there's a handful of newspapers.

00:51:17.000 The newspaper is mostly homogenized to maximize profits, so they may have slightly differing views or it might be yellow journalism.

00:51:24.000 But for the most part, your information moves slowly, so radicalization is slow.

00:51:28.000 Along comes radio, which is more rapid.

00:51:31.000 It's on, you know, frequently and there's multiple channels with different perspectives.

00:51:35.000 Now, they're finding new audiences because they have more opportunity to send out those measures in real time.

00:51:40.000 I wonder if that played a big role in radicalization which, you know, give or take 10, 20, 30 years results in major clashes and war.

00:51:46.000 Yeah, it's actually a good thing.

00:51:48.000 Most humans don't have time to just live reading the internet and reading the news and sifting through the news.

00:51:53.000 They're busy working for a living.

00:51:54.000 They're busy raising their kids.

00:51:56.000 And so they need people to help them with this fire hose of information that now comes our way.

00:52:02.000 And yeah, I'm sure radio was very similar.

00:52:05.000 I'm sure I know the printing press was.

00:52:06.000 One thing I'll say to bring it full circle to my conversation about why conservatives tend not to build the future.

00:52:12.000 It's because, yes, perhaps the Second World War was a result of radio.

00:52:16.000 Perhaps the explosion in the isms, fascism, socialism, communism, anarchism, maybe it was all a result of radio.

00:52:23.000 I think that's a really compelling theory that you bring up.

00:52:27.000 Conservatives did get around to being on the radio though in 1980.

00:52:29.000 So I just want to say after 60 million people were killed because of radio, a generation later we got some.

00:52:36.000 No, I think it's an interesting point, and conservatives have done a very poor job keeping up with mass communication, with the artistic fields.

00:52:45.000 I mean, you look historically, so much of the beautiful art that we see in the West was basically commissioned by the Catholic Church.

00:52:51.000 Nowadays, I mean, what fraction of media does the Catholic Church, let alone any group you'd call conservative in general, control?

00:52:58.000 It's a very small proportion.

00:52:59.000 And I think part of that could just be the nature of the way people who tend to be more quote unquote progressive are willing to experiment

00:53:06.000 with new technology.

00:53:07.000 You were sort of discussing the fact that conservative investors would be less likely

00:53:10.000 to put money into an app that they can't see a direct utility in the way a left wing person

00:53:16.000 might be capable of.

00:53:17.000 I'm not sure.

00:53:18.000 But I also think when we talk about left wing people today, we're not really talking about

00:53:22.000 the left wing of 20 years ago, even though they have similar ideological roots, because

00:53:27.000 I think many of them today wouldn't invest in these sorts of technologies.

00:53:29.000 A healthy society needs a healthy needs healthy liberals.

00:53:32.000 The reason conservatives don't, conservatives have never made art ever.

00:53:36.000 The Catholic Church didn't make any art.

00:53:37.000 It bought art from much more liberal people like Michelangelo.

00:53:42.000 A healthy society has healthy liberals.

00:53:44.000 An unhealthy society has ascendant leftists.

00:53:48.000 That's a big difference.

00:53:49.000 I'd have to think about that.

00:53:50.000 Why don't we make gargoyles anymore?

00:53:51.000 Yeah, let's bring it back.

00:53:52.000 No, no, no.

00:53:53.000 We should make some, put them around the castle.

00:53:57.000 We have a lot of work in expansion.

00:53:59.000 I'm getting gargoyles.

00:54:00.000 Because you look at all of these, and I'm half kidding about gargoyles, but you look at modern construction, it's like glass steel boxes.

00:54:07.000 There's no art or inspiration.

00:54:09.000 And then I'm thinking about a lot of churches and a lot of older buildings, gargoyles.

00:54:14.000 And I'm like, that sounds kind of like, if somebody was a fan of the Lord of the Rings, they'd be like, I'm building a house, I'm gonna put a You've got to have tubes out of their mouth that shoot fire, though.

00:54:22.000 Oh, yeah.

00:54:23.000 They're just like, at will, you can push the button.

00:54:24.000 I don't know if it's legal, but we can certainly have it spray water.

00:54:27.000 We just have it shoot electricity or something.

00:54:28.000 You're more conservative than I thought, because that's a very practical—that's not a non-artistic, practical thing that you just suggested.

00:54:34.000 You know, regarding the firehose of information you're talking about with the internet, I would love to be able to understand all the information on the internet without having to read it or watch it.

00:54:42.000 So I'm thinking of Neuralink.

00:54:44.000 It's a bit esoteric because it hasn't come out yet.

00:54:46.000 And I wonder if it's like, we invented the firehose, but we don't have any of the mechanism to control it, really, or very rudimentary.

00:54:54.000 Think about how crazy it's going to be.

00:54:55.000 Of course, it has its own problems.

00:54:57.000 So they actually refer to all the tweets on Twitter as the firehose.

00:55:01.000 So if you want to access the API for certain information or whatever, and some companies do it.

00:55:04.000 There's so much information on Twitter.

00:55:07.000 I gotta tell you, I would be willing to bet the Twitter firehouse has been plugged into an AI a long time ago, and it's like, it knows everything happening, it's an oracle at this point.

00:55:17.000 I should also specify, I don't know if I want to see everything on the internet, because the mind can get warped by crazy violence.

00:55:23.000 Real quick, through Twitter's information with everyone posting things, Just think about what happens in New York City when, let's say, a transformer explodes.

00:55:34.000 Instantly, you're going to have 3,000 tweets all saying, I heard this explosion.

00:55:39.000 Instantly, those with access to the geolocation data are going to know exactly where all of those people are.

00:55:44.000 Instantly, the AI is going to be able to get this circle on a map of all these people saying they heard an explosion, and then be able to triangulate where the explosion was, basically, based on how many people are tweeting about it.

00:55:54.000 They'll know exactly where that is.

00:55:56.000 Instantly.

00:55:57.000 Think about anything in that regard that people might talk about, be it a storm, be it a flood.

00:56:02.000 There's going to be AI that has access to this firehose.

00:56:06.000 Now what happens when you plug into the metaverse and they can download that rapid information?

00:56:10.000 People will become like...

00:56:13.000 I don't know, man, what people will become, but you'll just know everything all at once.

00:56:17.000 And that's, that's, it's going to be an experience.

00:56:20.000 This is funny because you, you made this point earlier about how it's good that most people can't just sit online and consume information all day.

00:56:20.000 I'll tell you that.

00:56:30.000 And we have this saying, right?

00:56:32.000 People joke about going outside and touching grass.

00:56:34.000 It's like, all right, bro, you're too online.

00:56:36.000 There's this idea of being terminally on the internet to the point where you just can no longer recognize and contend with reality.

00:56:42.000 And so if people do get plugged into that point, my goodness, I don't even know what political ideology they'll have because some 14-year-old will spend hours and hours and hours online and end up in more and more bizarre, esoteric corners of the political internet and claim that that's their view.

00:56:55.000 This is happening, and I don't know if you're familiar with this.

00:56:57.000 We've talked about it quite a bit.

00:56:59.000 Are you familiar with Elsagate?

00:57:01.000 No.

00:57:02.000 So this was something that happened about four or five years ago, where YouTube was inundated with people dressing up like Elsa from Frozen, Spider-Man, Joker, and then, so it was these weird videos with no length, with like no speaking, just music, and the Joker would chase Elsa and Spider-Man would save her.

00:57:20.000 And it was because, algorithmically, those characters generated a lot of hits and recommendations.

00:57:25.000 So people made content for children, but this began to devolve.

00:57:28.000 Eventually, the people who made the content, many of these people realized, It's babies watching this stuff.

00:57:34.000 Babies can't change the channel.

00:57:36.000 It's the autoplay feeding the content.

00:57:38.000 So they used computer programs to procedurally generate content with these keywords.

00:57:44.000 You ended up with videos that were very bizarre.

00:57:46.000 Like, there's one video, one of the most notable in this space was Adolf Hitler, but his body is a woman in a bikini doing Tai Chi as some Indian family sings Finger Family Nursery Rhyme.

00:58:01.000 And the Incredible Hulk is also like, you know, doing like some kind of boxing maneuver.

00:58:06.000 The reason was, it didn't matter what the content of the video was.

00:58:10.000 All that mattered was the key words were in it.

00:58:13.000 Nursery rhyme, finger family, the Hulk, for some reason Hitler, I guess.

00:58:16.000 These things were shocking and generated recommendations.

00:58:20.000 Children grew up watching this stuff.

00:58:22.000 So when Ian said, I'm sorry, when Seamus is talking about their warped perspective, we are going to have 12, we probably have it now, 10 year olds who are unsupervised

00:58:32.000 on the internet, watching the craziest stuff you've, you've never, you'll

00:58:35.000 never understand abstract nonsense of, you know, the incredible Hulk and Hitler dancing together.

00:58:40.000 And when those people grow up, they're going to have insane views that make no sense

00:58:44.000 because when we grew up, we're older, right?

00:58:48.000 I think Seamus is the youngest person.

00:58:49.000 Maybe.

00:58:49.000 Yeah.

00:58:50.000 Yeah, he's the youngest person here.

00:58:50.000 I don't know.

00:58:51.000 27 today.

00:58:52.000 Happy birthday.

00:58:53.000 My parents were living in reality.

00:58:56.000 All of our parents were living in reality, even with Seamus being the youngest person.

00:58:59.000 But what about one of these kids who's 10 years old today?

00:59:02.000 When they have their first kid and the values they transfer down to those children are telling the great story of female Hitler's Tai Chi against the Hulk as their story or whatever.

00:59:13.000 These things are going to be wired into their brain.

00:59:16.000 When I was a little kid, the things that were wired into my brain were Superman, Batman, Star Trek, The Next Generation.

00:59:22.000 Those values carry forward.

00:59:23.000 If little kids are developing around psychotic algorithmic nonsense, They're just gonna be insane.

00:59:30.000 I just typed in Elsagate too to get a look and I mean there's some crazy girl drinking a beer like a baby drinking a beer with a spider-man.

00:59:36.000 Yo, Elsagate had cartoons on YouTube of little kids drinking urine.

00:59:40.000 This is like R-rated content and the guys have a cartoon.

00:59:44.000 I actually know someone who told me that their child came across content on the internet that was supposed to be Peppa Pig, and it was actually Peppa Pig describing some extremely violent things and actually basically telling the kids to do violent things.

00:59:58.000 Very disturbing.

01:00:00.000 Yeah, I think one of the things that's missing in our culture now is cultural literacy.

01:00:04.000 And it's not a topic that gets discussed much.

01:00:06.000 It probably should be discussed a lot more.

01:00:07.000 That when we were kids, the Western canon, which a canon is important because it's essentially the set of stories and ideas that we all share.

01:00:16.000 uh the western canon was baked into all of the fiction that we ingested so i learned the the famous story of uh of tom sawyer convincing his friends to whitewash the fence right that's right i learned that from looney tunes i didn't learn it from reading huck finn you couldn't you know a seven-year-old can't read huck finn but a seven-year-old could watch looney tunes i learned about classical music from looney tunes you know I think that that idea that we have a shared heritage, that

01:00:45.000 we have a shared fiction, even a fictional, a legendary heritage, you know, the stories

01:00:49.000 that we all know is completely gone. And to your point, I think we are already seeing the results of

01:00:55.000 it. There's never been a generation with more psychoses. Oh, yeah.

01:01:00.000 Than young people today, right?

01:01:01.000 I mean, I think it's going to get substantially worse.

01:01:03.000 People don't understand.

01:01:04.000 We've been, uh, I've been kind of obsessed with talking about the metaverse just because I've been, you know, it's, I read news, I read politics, I read culture, and all of these cultural stories that keep popping up just lead me to the singularity.

01:01:18.000 You know, that's what I think people call it.

01:01:19.000 Alex Jones calls it that.

01:01:20.000 The metaverse is a path towards this, you know, unification of man and machine or whatever.

01:01:24.000 It's a Ray Kurzweil thing.

01:01:25.000 Yeah.

01:01:26.000 So, one of the things I mentioned was that a lot of what we're experiencing in the culture war with the transgender issue is actually due to technological advancement.

01:01:36.000 Now, I'm not making a social commentary on this, I'm making a scientific one.

01:01:40.000 When we isolated hormones and then in the 1960s started creating hormone therapies, this led to a sort of understanding of what hormones can do to the body, which leads us to the 90s where hormone replacement therapy becomes more popular, which results to, in the 90s, you now have prominent adults who have underwent or undergone hormone replacement therapy now sharing those ideas and expanding that idea.

01:02:05.000 Again, not a social commentary, a scientific one.

01:02:07.000 If the debate we're having now because of the existence and the isolation and creation of hormones and that technology has resulted in this culture war debate, what'll happen when we start shifting into metaverse spaces?

01:02:18.000 When we're plugging our brains in or virtual reality to go to work?

01:02:21.000 Already on Twitter, Many people use cartoon avatars or animals as their profile picture.

01:02:28.000 What happens if we really do, and I think we will, get to that point where we have our business meetings in a high-res metaverse and someone shows up to work and it's Tony the Tiger or some giant ostrich?

01:02:38.000 And they say, you can't discriminate on me on how I choose to represent myself in the metaverse environment.

01:02:44.000 So right now, if you look at New York City's human rights law pertaining to gender identity, it's specifically defined as self-expression.

01:02:53.000 No joke.

01:02:53.000 Literally, it's defined as self-expression.

01:02:55.000 And this is something I actually— And you're literally not expressing yourself.

01:03:01.000 It's true.

01:03:02.000 No, it's true.

01:03:05.000 I covered the story and I actually called the city and I called some lawyers to get some understanding on this.

01:03:11.000 This was back in, I think, 2018.

01:03:12.000 It was New York announced that they had 31 genders in their public listing.

01:03:18.000 So, their human rights law specifically says, if you are in any of these categories of gender or gender identity, you are a protected class.

01:03:26.000 If anyone discriminates against you, it's a $125,000 fine.

01:03:30.000 If they willfully discriminate, it's a $250,000 fine.

01:03:34.000 So I looked into the law, and it said gender identity is defined as self-expression.

01:03:39.000 They can't discriminate against you based on your name or the way you dress.

01:03:43.000 So I called several human rights lawyers and I asked them for an understanding of this.

01:03:47.000 And I said, how can a workplace determine what is reasonable or not in terms of someone's name and expression and clothing?

01:03:54.000 And they said, well, we all know what's reasonable.

01:03:56.000 A judge knows what's reasonable.

01:03:58.000 That's why judges exist.

01:03:59.000 If you go into their courtroom with something unreasonable, they'll tell you you're unreasonable and it doesn't fit the law.

01:04:04.000 And I said, okay, what if someone went to Starbucks and they told the person, you know, I want to work here.

01:04:11.000 They get hired.

01:04:12.000 But on their first day, they show up in a full wolf costume with like lifts, so they're six foot five, and they say that their name is Vulsiferon, Herald of the Winter Mists.

01:04:23.000 You can't discriminate on the basis of my name or my clothing.

01:04:26.000 I was told this by several lawyers.

01:04:28.000 They all said, Good luck going into a courtroom and telling a judge that you're a vociferon and they need to allow you to wear a wolf costume in Starbucks.

01:04:38.000 And I said, would not the same thing apply to a man wearing women's clothing whose legal name is John saying his name is Jane?

01:04:47.000 Why would the judge have the discretion to determine whether or not it falls within the legal definition of self-expression?

01:04:54.000 Because if you're telling me that someone can't choose to be a furry, And furries exist, and I don't think they're all calling themselves vociferon, but they have specific names and costumes.

01:05:06.000 Why would a transgender person be afforded rights that another person in a similar fashion would not be?

01:05:11.000 And they had no answer for me, other than, we think a judge would find it unreasonable.

01:05:15.000 And then I said, wouldn't it stand to reason then you could appeal and say any judge could find a transgender person unreasonable, and that would create very serious problems based on this human rights law.

01:05:25.000 That's where I think we're headed.

01:05:26.000 Now, once we get into the metaverse, you're going to see that very same thing happen.

01:05:31.000 You're going to be around people who say, I am a carrot.

01:05:35.000 This is my identity.

01:05:36.000 Identify as carrot.

01:05:37.000 And you won't be able to fire them or admonish them.

01:05:40.000 You'll have to just say, you know, Robo is a carrot.

01:05:44.000 He works here.

01:05:45.000 You might be able to make it so no one else can see the carrot when they're in the boardroom, but they only see the base avatar or something.

01:05:50.000 I don't know about that.

01:05:53.000 That would be like saying if a protected class of any type, gender, race, national origin, came to a workplace, you could cover them up so none of the customers could see them.

01:06:02.000 You could say like, you can express yourself however you want, but you can't make me see you.

01:06:06.000 That's up to me whether or not I see you.

01:06:09.000 Tough questions, man, because they're saying in workplaces you have to use pronouns.

01:06:12.000 Well, and it's interesting because one of the points you made was that somebody said, well, good luck getting in front of a judge and having them take that argument seriously.

01:06:19.000 I don't think you need luck.

01:06:20.000 It's possible you just need a couple of years because our social structures are shifting so quickly that even going to court as a transgender person, right, and saying, I am a A woman trapped in a man's body, you're discriminating against me if you don't acknowledge that?

01:06:34.000 I mean, 20, 30 years ago a judge would have said that's absolutely absurd, but today they wouldn't.

01:06:39.000 Right.

01:06:39.000 This is actually why.

01:06:40.000 Things are moving so quickly that even we can't carry on a real conversation about what's actually occurring.

01:06:47.000 When any of us sit at a table and we talk about the trans issue, we still use terms

01:06:51.000 like men and women.

01:06:52.000 We still think fundamentally if a man says that he's a woman, if a man named John walks

01:06:56.000 into Starbucks and says I'm a woman, and we think that that's what the trans conversation

01:07:00.000 is really about.

01:07:01.000 But when you read statistics like 40% of kids now are trans or whatever these crazy statistics

01:07:06.000 are, they're not having conversations about being men trapped in women's bodies.

01:07:11.000 They're having conversations that are so far beyond that.

01:07:15.000 It's not always the furry conversation, but to your point, there are 33, there are 72,

01:07:18.000 there are 40.

01:07:19.000 There's a number of genders.

01:07:21.000 It's sort of like when conservative parents say, oh, I can put my kid in college.

01:07:24.000 You know, it was liberal when I was there and I came out just fine.

01:07:26.000 And you're like, you have no idea what's actually happening on a college campus right now.

01:07:30.000 This is exactly my point, that because of the 90s and the technological advancement around HRT, 30 years later, we're having a conversation around transgender issues.

01:07:40.000 But kids today, they're talking about, you know, otherkin.

01:07:43.000 Are you familiar with otherkin?

01:07:44.000 That's right, yes.

01:07:44.000 People who think they're mythical beasts or mythical animals.

01:07:47.000 And when it comes to the metaverse, this won't be a question.

01:07:50.000 They will be.

01:07:51.000 They will be.

01:07:52.000 And give it 50 years.

01:07:54.000 If we're neural-linked into alternate realities and digital realities, A lot of the work, the work we're doing right now could be held in a metaverse space with high quality microphones and ultra high, you know, ultra, you know, 10K, 12K video.

01:08:09.000 We could, we don't have to be sitting in the same room or fly people out.

01:08:12.000 We could all put on our headsets and then people will watch.

01:08:15.000 A video of us in a room together.

01:08:16.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:08:17.000 They'll sit in the room with us.

01:08:18.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:08:18.000 I was gonna say, someone could place themselves in that chair.

01:08:21.000 And you know what's funny is 10 years ago, I pitched this to Vice.

01:08:24.000 I pitched it to Fusion.

01:08:25.000 I said, we do a show where in one chair, it's a 360, um, um, what's the, what's the word?

01:08:31.000 Binocular, um, What's the word?

01:08:33.000 I just call it Canva.

01:08:34.000 Stereoscopic.

01:08:34.000 Oh, cool, yeah.

01:08:35.000 Stereoscopic 360 view, which allows you to see like you're actually there.

01:08:40.000 But the resolution was really bad, but we could still try it.

01:08:42.000 That's coming.

01:08:43.000 Now, if you get to the point where you can actually have full sensory feedback, like Neuralink would potentially allow you to do, if we can actually wire a brain, people are literally going to be like, in this space, I am Vulcifer.

01:08:55.000 I'm the wolf lord of, you know, the arboreal forest.

01:08:59.000 And you'll be watching a show of a giant wolf creature and it will look like reality and the wolf will be like, I take issue with the president's anti-wolf policies.

01:09:09.000 And people are going to be like, wow, it must be crazy being a wolf.

01:09:12.000 And then that person will become a CEO.

01:09:14.000 And the boomers will still be presidents in real life.

01:09:18.000 They'll still run the whole thing.

01:09:20.000 Uh, I think what you're saying is right, but I do want to challenge us a little bit.

01:09:24.000 It is the nature of, uh, it is the nature of contrarians and the nature of conservatives.

01:09:32.000 Uh, not that I want to label you all as that, contrarians though.

01:09:35.000 To look at the future and only see the worst things that can happen.

01:09:40.000 And the worst things that can happen will happen.

01:09:43.000 I'm not suggesting that those things won't occur.

01:09:44.000 You're right, they will occur.

01:09:46.000 See, so this is a point I was making with a few other people.

01:09:49.000 Me describing the potential future through the metaverse is not a moral statement, good or bad, about it.

01:09:55.000 It's just something I see as a potential.

01:09:57.000 But you do see it as something bad.

01:09:59.000 Yeah, and I think that the potential that you're outlining, some version of it will come to pass.

01:10:04.000 It's not that when we look ahead and say, oh, you know, we're going to have to be in business meetings with Vulciferon, that we're wrong.

01:10:11.000 That is one of the things that will occur.

01:10:14.000 Everything that people put their hands to because people are fallen, because people are broken.

01:10:18.000 the things that we create reflect our brokenness. But they don't exclusively reflect our brokenness.

01:10:26.000 And I think that what we have to do, people in this room, people who think in the directions

01:10:30.000 that people in this room think, we have to be active parts of the construction of the future

01:10:37.000 so that it doesn't just represent our brokenness. It can also represent a lot of the good things,

01:10:43.000 a lot of the values that we share, a lot of the things that we would like to see expanded.

01:10:47.000 Here's what I want you to consider too, something that most people probably don't realize.

01:10:51.000 is.

01:10:52.000 If the metaverse reality comes to pass where you can choose your identity, you, Jeremy, will be sitting at a Daily Wire meeting.

01:10:59.000 You'll have hired a young man named, you know, Ricky Smith.

01:11:03.000 But when he shows up on the first day in the metaverse, he looks identical to you, and he says, my name is Jeremy.

01:11:09.000 This is my identity.

01:11:11.000 And if you are tallied against me because of my identity, that's discrimination on the basis of who I am and my name.

01:11:16.000 And they want to be you.

01:11:19.000 People don't want to be themselves.

01:11:21.000 The people who look up to you, they'll just say, I'm going to be this person.

01:11:23.000 The number of people who wish that they were me is staggeringly low.

01:11:28.000 So can you imagine being in the metaverse, walking down the street, and then there's like 10 of you, and then they look at you and they're like, you're not the real Jeremy, are you?

01:11:37.000 And you're like, no, no, not me.

01:11:38.000 And they're like, okay.

01:11:39.000 The question is, do you have the IP of your own likeness?

01:11:42.000 You'll have to buy a non-fungible token of yourself.

01:11:46.000 You will have to pay someone else for it.

01:11:48.000 This is very interesting because modern media law, when Disney has a contract with the guy playing Thor, what's that guy's name?

01:11:57.000 Chris?

01:11:58.000 Chris Hemsworth.

01:11:59.000 They have him on contract saying they own his likeness in perpetuity forever in every universe henceforth, which means if they ever want to make a A deepfake with Chris Hemsworth saying whatever they want.

01:12:09.000 They own that.

01:12:10.000 Yo, this was the plot- They own Chris Hemsworth's likeness now.

01:12:12.000 This was a plot of 30 Rock episode, where Jack Donaghy took all of the Seinfeld episodes

01:12:18.000 because they own the likeness of Jerry Seinfeld and superimposed them into other shows.

01:12:23.000 So they would take- It was actually- And then Jerry Seinfeld finds out and he gets really

01:12:27.000 So we need to rewrite it.

01:12:27.000 Oh, but just really, really funny.

01:12:30.000 Cause I love the show.

01:12:31.000 Jerry Seinfeld finds out and he's like, uh, he's like, I could buy your network 10 times over.

01:12:37.000 And then Jack's like, you don't have $4 million.

01:12:43.000 We're going to need to rewrite entertainment law really rapidly too, because, uh, I don't think corporations should own the likeness to actors anymore because of the deep fake MetaNet that we're entering.

01:12:52.000 That's interesting.

01:12:53.000 That's actually a really good point.

01:12:54.000 You know, I've been excited about these technological advances because of Star Trek, the animated series, which is an old one.

01:13:02.000 But here's here's the thing that occurred to me recently is that some of the best Star Trek writing and the third season of the original series of Star Trek is garbage.

01:13:10.000 The first season is some of the best sci fi ever written and the animated series.

01:13:14.000 is some of the best sci-fi that was ever written and it occurred to me very recently after the next generation we're moments away from them making live action versions of star trek the animated series with the original cast it's already their voices they voiced the animated characters and now a remake an animated remake would essentially be deep fake level reality right they can just make that show now And they could put Jerry Seinfeld in it.

01:13:38.000 And then Jerry Seinfeld will show up.

01:13:41.000 So, with the Romulans!

01:13:42.000 So it'd be like a basic human right is you own the IP to your likeness forever, henceforth.

01:13:47.000 But I think there's an argument to be made that... Unless you trade it for some Ethereum.

01:13:51.000 I think that's... If you need Ethereum... Now, I'm not saying this is the argument I would make, but someone who is in favor of people being able to redistribute their likeness would say, well, you own it, therefore you have a right to sell it.

01:14:02.000 So you could sell it to a network.

01:14:04.000 Maybe only licensed.

01:14:04.000 Maybe you're not legally allowed to sell it, but maybe license it with a sunset clause.

01:14:10.000 I mean, just Ready Player One.

01:14:11.000 Have you guys seen it?

01:14:14.000 People were cartoon characters.

01:14:16.000 They would go into the game and they'd make themselves whatever they wanted, you know?

01:14:20.000 And in fact, in that movie, one of the in-game characters, a dude, was actually a woman in real life.

01:14:27.000 It's not that the Gnostic heresy version of the metaverse won't come to pass.

01:14:32.000 It will.

01:14:33.000 The Gnostic heresy version?

01:14:34.000 But there will also be... There's also beauty to be found in the future.

01:14:38.000 We have to go build it.

01:14:40.000 We are not victims of circumstance.

01:14:42.000 The worst thing to be as a human is someone who perceives themselves as powerless, perceives themselves only to be a victim of sort of the fates around them, right?

01:14:53.000 We can go make it.

01:14:54.000 We can make it better.

01:14:55.000 We can answer some of these questions in advance.

01:14:57.000 We can build structures that constrain some of the worst excesses that could come to pass.

01:15:02.000 But we won't.

01:15:03.000 We'll just say 30 years later that we should have had our own metaverse.

01:15:06.000 No, I think we will.

01:15:06.000 We'll build this metaverse with free software so that you can see the algorithm codes and you know if it's extracting your thoughts or not.

01:15:13.000 And then you'll be able to pass it off and create new metanets that will all interoperate and you'll have like an open system.

01:15:18.000 Babies will be born and the doctor will say to the parents, do you want the, we can do the Neuralink implant today.

01:15:26.000 We can do it right now while your baby's in the other room.

01:15:28.000 And they'll say, oh yeah, yeah, absolutely.

01:15:29.000 I mean, truth be told, what will likely happen is they'll call you on the phone and be like, hello, Mr. Johnson, your test tube baby was born and we did the Neuralink implant.

01:15:37.000 You can pick him up at five by click.

01:15:40.000 The Next Generation is the opposite of the original series because the first season sucks and the third season starts to be good.

01:15:46.000 I think the first season is good.

01:15:47.000 It was awkward.

01:15:48.000 No, you don't think the first season is good.

01:15:49.000 Yes, I do.

01:15:50.000 It introduces Q. That is absurd.

01:15:52.000 It was awkwardly acted, I thought.

01:15:53.000 That is absurd.

01:15:55.000 The best of both worlds is the greatest achievement in the history of television until Game of Thrones.

01:16:03.000 And after the best of both worlds, it becomes a great television show.

01:16:07.000 That's an episode?

01:16:08.000 The best of both worlds?

01:16:09.000 It's two episodes.

01:16:10.000 Which one is?

01:16:11.000 Lacutus of Borg.

01:16:13.000 Oh my goodness, yeah.

01:16:14.000 Borg was such good writing, too.

01:16:16.000 It's unbelievable.

01:16:17.000 And after that, they brought the high collar in, they got the cooler phasers, they got the new model, everything got cool.

01:16:23.000 But man, those first couple seasons, it's the love boat in space.

01:16:27.000 I love it.

01:16:27.000 I love all of it.

01:16:28.000 This is our Western canon.

01:16:30.000 The future generations needed a Star Trek.

01:16:32.000 It's Disney, man.

01:16:33.000 Disney's not Disney anymore.

01:16:34.000 I posted this clip because there are so many people who are naysayers.

01:16:39.000 I'm surprised there are people who would watch a show like this but also be like, I'm not watching Star Trek.

01:16:44.000 And I'm just like, no, no, no, you don't understand.

01:16:45.000 We're not talking about, wouldn't it be cool to be in a spaceship with lasers?

01:16:49.000 We're talking about naval tradition.

01:16:51.000 We're talking about military officers defending the freedom and civil liberties of individuals going to planets where they experience terrorism.

01:16:59.000 That line when Data goes to Picard and says, I'm having trouble understanding the conduct of these people.

01:17:05.000 They're engaging in terrorism.

01:17:07.000 And then Picard says, I do not subscribe to the belief that political power is derived from the barrel of a gun.

01:17:13.000 And then Data says, but if you look at history and the names, like two real examples, but then fictional future examples where terror actually worked.

01:17:21.000 And Picard's like, these are questions that humanity struggles with.

01:17:23.000 Like, that's why the show is good.

01:17:25.000 The philosophical and moral exploration And I was being somewhat facetious, but there is a component to the fact that Star Trek did often include the great works.

01:17:34.000 So they reference Shakespeare.

01:17:35.000 You have episodes about, you know, Greek mythology.

01:17:38.000 They really included things that today most people are completely unaware of, which is sad, but you could actually like learn about them from Star Trek and then start to do a deep dive because kids aren't learning it in school.

01:17:47.000 That's right.

01:17:48.000 I do have a special soft spot for, like, laser beams, though, when they, like, roughhouse with an alien dude in a costume.

01:17:52.000 You know what?

01:17:52.000 Of course.

01:17:53.000 I do, too.

01:17:53.000 One of my least favorite things about all the new iterations of Star Trek, starting with the J.J.

01:17:58.000 Abrams and all the way through Picard right now, is that they've basically gotten rid of phasers and everything's just a Star Wars-style blaster now.

01:18:04.000 Phasers to stun, man.

01:18:05.000 They call them phasers, but they don't have beams.

01:18:07.000 They're like little bolts.

01:18:08.000 But they were little clickers.

01:18:10.000 In The Next Generation, they were miniaturized little clickers.

01:18:12.000 They would just point, which would be very difficult to aim.

01:18:15.000 Oh yeah, you couldn't.

01:18:16.000 I think every time I watch The Next Generation, I just think, you just killed everybody.

01:18:20.000 You'll see.

01:18:21.000 Like, what is this?

01:18:22.000 I wonder if they aim themselves.

01:18:24.000 Well, one of the things that was positive about it, and the reason my dad used to watch it with us as kids is because his view, he told us when we got older, is that it was very much a positive influence because They would exhaust every peaceful option they could, but they would still fight when they had to.

01:18:40.000 So it wasn't completely pacifist, but they were all about seeking the nonviolent solution when possible.

01:18:46.000 And they didn't hesitate in the face of threat.

01:18:49.000 They would fight immediately.

01:18:50.000 They would fight when they needed to.

01:18:52.000 The original series was so pro-American.

01:18:55.000 I grew up in the next generation.

01:18:56.000 I love the next generation, right?

01:18:57.000 I'm a sucker for all Star Trek.

01:18:59.000 But the original series is, like, morally and philosophically so much better because it's deeper and richer.

01:19:06.000 It was at the height of real sci-fi, especially the first season and a half, where they really were asking all these questions for the first time.

01:19:12.000 And you have these episodes where, like, Captain Kirk will beam down to a planet that is utopia.

01:19:18.000 Everyone there has all the food they can eat.

01:19:20.000 They have... It never rains.

01:19:22.000 You know, there's no hail.

01:19:23.000 There's no weather.

01:19:24.000 Everything is perfect.

01:19:25.000 And he'll look around and say, This place is crap.

01:19:28.000 I'm gonna go destroy the computer that has made you all mental slaves.

01:19:33.000 And he'll ruin their utopia to set them free.

01:19:36.000 And you talk about things you can't do on television now.

01:19:40.000 You could never say that utopia is bad because people aren't free.

01:19:43.000 That's so true.

01:19:44.000 That's an interesting topic.

01:19:45.000 So this is what people have pointed out.

01:19:47.000 Have you been following the new Picard?

01:19:48.000 Oh yeah, of course.

01:19:50.000 I don't think I'm gonna watch it.

01:19:51.000 Yeah, I didn't even bother.

01:19:52.000 I didn't mind season one of Picard.

01:19:54.000 Um, but Season 2, for those that aren't aware, is about, uh, you know, what is it, the 2022s or whatever?

01:20:01.000 The 2020, yeah.

01:20:02.000 2020, 2220s or whatever.

01:20:02.000 2024.

01:20:02.000 20... Well, uh, so, the Star Trek crew, Picard, which are in the future, have to transport themselves back in time to 2024 because something happened that turned Earth into a human supremacist planet.

01:20:16.000 Right.

01:20:17.000 And I'm just like, yo, this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

01:20:21.000 Political propaganda.

01:20:22.000 It's absolutely absurd, by the way.

01:20:23.000 And I've seen every episode that's out so far.

01:20:25.000 I can't help myself.

01:20:26.000 But I'm such a sucker for nostalgia.

01:20:30.000 And the first season of Picard is terrible.

01:20:32.000 But when you get to the end and we get the actual Data Picard death scene that we were robbed of in the films, you go, yeah, I'll follow you guys through the gates of hell.

01:20:42.000 Tell me how all humans are fascists.

01:20:43.000 I'm in.

01:20:44.000 You know, yeah, they never talk about Vulcan supremacists.

01:20:46.000 It's interesting.

01:20:47.000 But Vulcans don't have institutional power, so they're not.

01:20:49.000 The first thing is, it's clear that the Picard series is just, you know, Member Berries.

01:20:54.000 Remember the Borg?

01:20:55.000 Remember Picard?

01:20:56.000 And then, like, they meet everyone, and it's like, oh, like, yo, just give me a series that follows Deep Space Nine in the continuity, and we can move beyond the Dominion War, whatever, for those that are fans.

01:21:07.000 But instead, what they're doing is, We're going back in time again.

01:21:10.000 And the characters they bring back, you know, so you've watched the first two episodes, I'd imagine, of Picard?

01:21:16.000 First four, yeah.

01:21:17.000 First four already out?

01:21:18.000 Man, I've been working too much.

01:21:20.000 But Q does not feel like you.

01:21:22.000 You know, when he's like, this is not a lesson, Picard, it's penance.

01:21:25.000 I'm like, come on.

01:21:27.000 He was the guy who showed up with the mariachi band smoking a cigar and dancing, not some like torture of some great message or anything.

01:21:34.000 He was chaotic.

01:21:36.000 You're not allowed to have fun.

01:21:39.000 This is what's different now.

01:21:40.000 You're not allowed, you watch ads at the Super Bowl, and they're all important.

01:21:45.000 The words you would use for the ad agent, they would say, this was an important ad at the Super Bowl,

01:21:49.000 or this was a beautiful ad at the Super Bowl, or this was a touching ad at the Super Bowl.

01:21:53.000 And I'm like, yeah, but what are the really funny ads at the Super Bowl?

01:21:55.000 I'm getting, people keep writing in telling me that the Jeremy's Razor shameless plug,

01:21:59.000 you can see it at IHateHarris.com commercial.

01:22:01.000 People, hundreds of people are writing in, this is the best commercial I've ever seen.

01:22:06.000 I'm very proud of the commercial.

01:22:08.000 It's not the best commercial that's ever been made.

01:22:10.000 Why they're responding that way is because it is the best commercial that's been made in a decade.

01:22:14.000 It's the first commercial in a decade where you can just laugh at it.

01:22:18.000 It's good.

01:22:18.000 What's that movie, Fall Guy?

01:22:19.000 Is that what it is with Ryan Reynolds?

01:22:22.000 Is that what it's called?

01:22:22.000 No, no.

01:22:23.000 Is that what the movie's called?

01:22:24.000 Which one?

01:22:24.000 Some movie that just came out where he's like a free guy.

01:22:27.000 It felt like a free guy, but almost produced on that level.

01:22:31.000 And I just want to add, you know, my compliments to the commercial were so good.

01:22:37.000 The Daily Wire actually pushed my video out.

01:22:41.000 Yeah, good commentary from Tim.

01:22:42.000 Yeah, we need more like that.

01:22:44.000 You mentioned these people seeing their advertisements as important, and this is one of these things

01:22:48.000 that if they could just step out of their little box for three seconds, they would understand

01:22:51.000 how ridiculous it is.

01:22:52.000 Just the phrase, like, this is going to be the most important Coca-Cola commercial of

01:22:55.000 all time.

01:22:56.000 Well, let me, I want to go back to, let's throw, right back to Star Trek.

01:23:00.000 How and why does a network, a company say, we have this IP, this popular IP.

01:23:07.000 We have decades of storytelling and movies and series.

01:23:11.000 Let's just put them in 2024 to fight Trump.

01:23:13.000 I know why.

01:23:14.000 That has nothing to do with any of the history.

01:23:16.000 Like if you want to make a show about time travelers who fight Donald Trump, make the show.

01:23:20.000 I'd probably watch it anyway, just to see what you're talking about.

01:23:22.000 But why make Picard do it?

01:23:24.000 And then Star Trek Discovery's Stacey Abrams shows up as the President of United Earth?

01:23:30.000 Wow.

01:23:31.000 She actually got cheated out of that election.

01:23:32.000 That's trash.

01:23:33.000 Who are they speaking to?

01:23:35.000 Themselves.

01:23:36.000 They're speaking to themselves.

01:23:37.000 I honestly wonder if they're even doing that.

01:23:39.000 It's funny, we were, oh man, I really wanted to get into this earlier but it blew past us and now's the perfect time to segue to it.

01:23:44.000 You were discussing the Western canon.

01:23:48.000 Part of why it's so important to tell good stories is because it's where people get their morality from.

01:23:52.000 Yes, it helps to give people moral precepts and principles, but ultimately people are going to act on the basis of who they admire and the stories that they know.

01:23:59.000 And so part of why they need to change these stories is because though they weren't perfect, some of them actually had decent values.

01:24:04.000 And so what you need to do is retcon them and shove your own values into it so that you can control people.

01:24:10.000 This is what people say because I tweeted a video from The Next Generation Where an admiral at Starfleet orders Data to give up his child to the state and Picard is like, no, and he risks his career.

01:24:24.000 He says, men of good conscience will defy orders.

01:24:26.000 You know, to watch, to compel a man to give his child to the state, not while I'm captain.

01:24:31.000 And I was like, man, that was so awesome.

01:24:33.000 And then everyone said the new Picard series, he would do the opposite.

01:24:37.000 He would say for the betterment of the family, we must allow, you know, and for safety and security.

01:24:43.000 That's the message we'd get across now from Picard.

01:24:46.000 Like his values are gone.

01:24:47.000 And that's kind of sad to me.

01:24:47.000 Yeah.

01:24:49.000 The character should have been left just as it was.

01:24:52.000 They can't.

01:24:54.000 They can't do it.

01:24:54.000 They can't help themselves.

01:24:55.000 They need to change it.

01:24:55.000 They can't create.

01:24:56.000 They can't make new things.

01:24:57.000 They have to pervert what other people have already made.

01:24:59.000 Gene Roddenberry, man.

01:24:59.000 Roddenberry's gone.

01:25:00.000 This is true, which is why...

01:25:02.000 They take this long history show and then change it, but it's also they want to destroy

01:25:09.000 the character Picard represented, the values he represented.

01:25:13.000 They want to take him away as a role model from people who believed in these civil libertarian

01:25:18.000 values.

01:25:19.000 Yeah, this is one of the reasons that we got into making movies at Daily Wire is because

01:25:22.000 so much content that exists now exists to tell you that you don't deserve these characters.

01:25:28.000 And so, like, you see it in these superhero movies quite a lot.

01:25:31.000 Like, you watch the beginning of Endgame, and Captain America, who in the first Avengers movie, Captain America says, you know, there's only one God and he doesn't wear tights, and he's a character from the 1940s.

01:25:42.000 Yep.

01:25:44.000 who lies about his age to go fight the Nazis, he wears red, white, and blue, and literally is called America.

01:25:52.000 That's the character.

01:25:53.000 And then he gets frozen in ice, and he wakes up in the 20th century, and by endgame, it opens up and he's in this counseling session, and we have to have the reveal that the person who is sharing an insight with him is a married gay man.

01:26:06.000 A gay married gay man.

01:26:08.000 I would say a gay married gay man, because gay men have been married throughout all of human history, and it didn't mean what we mean now, right?

01:26:13.000 It's a gay married gay man.

01:26:15.000 And why do they do that?

01:26:17.000 You can say, well, to be inclusive, to show people that even gay married gay men

01:26:21.000 have a place in the world, but that's not why they do it.

01:26:23.000 If that's why they did it, I might even go, eh, okay, we can live with it. But that isn't the motive.

01:26:27.000 The motive is to say, all of you red state,

01:26:31.000 flyover, MAGA hat wearing, love America, wear red,

01:26:35.000 white, and blue guys, literal Captain America doesn't

01:26:39.000 belong to you.

01:26:40.000 You don't get to claim him.

01:26:42.000 He belongs to us.

01:26:44.000 We can give him any set of values that we want.

01:26:46.000 In fact, if you watch that whole Marvel Avengers arc, remarkably, Captain America becomes the renegade character during Civil War, and Iron Man, Tony Stark, becomes the representative of state power.

01:27:02.000 Like, it's an unbelievable inversion of those characters because they don't know what the characters mean.

01:27:07.000 It's not because they don't know, it's because they actually reject what the characters stand for.

01:27:10.000 Well, hold on a minute.

01:27:11.000 Hold on.

01:27:11.000 You're not familiar with the Captain America Nomad arc?

01:27:14.000 I'm not, no.

01:27:14.000 Captain America, I'm not, I haven't read all this stuff, it was before my time, but there was a period where Captain

01:27:20.000 America abandoned the name and called himself Nomad, because, you know, the point they were making was, if you

01:27:25.000 truly believe in America, you don't always stand by the government for whatever it does.

01:27:28.000 Sure.

01:27:29.000 So, you know, that's a general idea. I actually thought Civil War was fairly well done.

01:27:34.000 I mean, Captain America was the guy saying, I'm not going to sign over my rights to the state.

01:27:39.000 I'm, you know, I'm an individual.

01:27:41.000 And Tony Stark is a corporate warmonger who's like, the state, you know, is right.

01:27:47.000 Sign out.

01:27:47.000 You know, we have to.

01:27:48.000 I thought the politics in that were fairly good.

01:27:51.000 Albeit, the Marvel movies are like kindergarten grade entertainment.

01:27:56.000 Captain America's war propaganda was created to fight Nazis and get people riled up about World War II, and keep that in mind forever moving forward that that was war propaganda.

01:28:04.000 Well, I want to make this point.

01:28:06.000 Part of why it's so instructive that it's Captain America is because the left has this fetish for projecting their values onto the people who fought the Second World War.

01:28:15.000 So they're always claiming that they're the ones fighting Nazi.

01:28:18.000 You'll see memes floating around of the brave young men storming Normandy and it says this is Antifa trying to fight Nazis.

01:28:25.000 I did a cartoon about this a while ago called fighting Nazis then verse now and what it was based on was this exact premise because my grandfather fought in the Second World War.

01:28:34.000 He played a very key role in ensuring that the officers at the Flossenberg concentration camp were caught and placed on trial.

01:28:44.000 He really had an incredible and harrowing tour.

01:28:47.000 And he would not use your pronouns.

01:28:49.000 I mean, this is not somebody who's going to, uh, or would comply with left-wing values.

01:28:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:28:54.000 I made a whole cartoon about this point, but it's so funny to me that the left wants to claim that they own these people, even though if they were alive today and those who are alive today from that era don't agree with them at all, if they even think about them.

01:29:05.000 Yeah, I wonder if the speed at which we're communicating, the bifurcation of culture, it's leading to some say peaceful divorce, perhaps, because of the internet.

01:29:18.000 It could be something we haven't seen in the past, or civil war maybe.

01:29:21.000 But I just don't see how there's any reconciliation with the modern iteration of the left sphere of influence because the things they believe are just not aligned with reality.

01:29:31.000 I think it comes to the individual clearing, like slowing down their thoughts.

01:29:34.000 Because if your mind is moving super rapidly with the information, like a car traveling so fast on the road, a minor variation in the wheel will send that thing flying off course.

01:29:44.000 And the same thing happens to your brain if it's on overload activity all the time.

01:29:48.000 So it's really...

01:29:50.000 I don't think there's a top-down solution.

01:29:51.000 It'll be up to people to control themselves and let this stuff flow past them while still acknowledging it.

01:30:00.000 Are we doomed?

01:30:01.000 Or is it going to be alright?

01:30:02.000 I don't think we're doomed.

01:30:02.000 I think both.

01:30:03.000 I think things could get bad for a while.

01:30:05.000 I think things might get bad for a while.

01:30:06.000 I wouldn't say that we're doomed, though.

01:30:08.000 I mean, it's a pretty easy prediction to say that things are going to get bad for a while, but also in the long run, I don't know how things are going to turn out.

01:30:15.000 My mentality is very much like, I've got to be honest with everybody, You know, I had it bad most of my life, you know, up until my mid-twenties when, you know, for the next few years, my career started taking off and things started generally improving.

01:30:28.000 And so for me, my attitude's always kind of just been like, yo, all of this is icing on the cake.

01:30:33.000 You know, if people were unwilling to fight for their values and everything fell apart, the food shortages get really bad and I wake up, you know, in six months homeless and with no food, I'd be like, oh, you know, been there, done that.

01:30:45.000 I'm not really worried about it.

01:30:46.000 Granted, I don't have a family, so a lot of people who do would be much more terrified of something like that.

01:30:51.000 If tomorrow all the things were gone, I'd work for all my life.

01:30:54.000 Oh, yeah.

01:30:54.000 If you had to start again, just your children and your wife?

01:30:58.000 Oh, here we go.

01:30:59.000 Yeah!

01:30:59.000 Ain't my luck to start!

01:31:01.000 No, I just, there's a, I think it was Zuby who said this, that if you took all of the property from every single person, and then gave everyone, you know, $10,000, the people who were rich before would become rich, and the people who were poor before would become poor.

01:31:16.000 This is a hard conversation.

01:31:18.000 Maybe we can go into it on the after show, because it really comes down to eugenics.

01:31:20.000 This concept of eugenics, where it came from, and what it all means.

01:31:24.000 The fact that people even think of themselves as an elite class, and that there's everybody else.

01:31:29.000 Or the plebeians, is what the Romans called them.

01:31:31.000 And then there's the central intelligentsia.

01:31:33.000 I don't know.

01:31:34.000 Is that real?

01:31:35.000 Like you just stated.

01:31:36.000 A lot of things are real.

01:31:37.000 A lot of things that are unseemly are real.

01:31:40.000 But not everything that's real is...

01:31:43.000 Not everything that's true is capital T truth like I think that one of the problems this kind of comes back to the ideology dogma thing we we sometimes take observations that we make or measurements that we make things that are true and because you're not allowed to say a lot of things that are true in our culture right now it's it's Subversive to even think about them and the result the result of that is that whenever you do engage with those ideas you're engaging in them in the worst place as possible with people who are like Probably taking them to the furthest extreme and it becomes easy for us to so, you know Like you become a eugenicist in your mind like Hitler was in the 20s and 30s or something, which is Obviously a grave evil thing.

01:32:21.000 I mean, it's it's obviously true It's an obvious truth that simply because something is generally true, it's not specifically true.

01:32:28.000 That because, for example, Asian Americans have a higher IQ than white Americans, just to avoid any of the races you're not allowed to talk about.

01:32:38.000 There's nothing racist about talking ill of Asians, right?

01:32:40.000 So, Asians, statistically, higher IQ than white people.

01:32:45.000 The smartest person in the world could be a white person.

01:32:48.000 And it would still be true that statistically Asians have a higher IQ.

01:32:52.000 So you end up in this situation where the general truth can sometimes blind us to the specific truth.

01:32:59.000 And I think that's where a lot of tribalism, a lot of isms come from that aren't good.

01:33:03.000 You get into the nuance of what does it mean to be Asian?

01:33:06.000 Are you referring specifically to Southeast Asian?

01:33:07.000 Are you referring to the Philippines?

01:33:08.000 Are you referring to India?

01:33:09.000 Of course.

01:33:10.000 And then those things all play a role.

01:33:12.000 I think the problem with stereotypes is that people hear the word Asian and they exclude Indians.

01:33:16.000 But particularly in Europe, you say the word Asian and they include Indians.

01:33:19.000 So we're not even necessarily hitting at the same points.

01:33:22.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:33:23.000 I'm only making the point that when we talk about these difficult issues like eugenics, are some people born with advantages?

01:33:30.000 Of course they are.

01:33:31.000 People are born with high IQs and people are born with low IQs.

01:33:34.000 More people are born with low IQs than people are born with high IQs.

01:33:37.000 One of the challenges in ordering society is not judging people based on those generalities.

01:33:43.000 But that doesn't mean that there aren't specific No, I couldn't.

01:33:46.000 that people are different.

01:33:48.000 There are people born with advantages.

01:33:50.000 You can leave IQ out of it.

01:33:51.000 IQ is the hardest thing to talk about because everyone is the smartest person they know.

01:33:55.000 It's just your ability to perceive someone smarter than you is capped by your own intelligence.

01:34:01.000 Love it.

01:34:02.000 But it's very easy for me to acknowledge that like LeBron James is better than basketball than I am.

01:34:06.000 And you could say, if I practiced really hard, I could be better than, no, I couldn't.

01:34:11.000 If I practiced really hard, I could be better than me, But no amount of practice will make me better than LeBron.

01:34:16.000 If LeBron didn't practice, and I did practice, he would still be better than me.

01:34:21.000 Now, if we played a game of... LeBron and I play a game of pig.

01:34:27.000 And instead of playing pig, we just play puh.

01:34:29.000 And LeBron says, whoever wins this game of puh, you know, gets a million dollars.

01:34:35.000 I might win the million dollars.

01:34:37.000 Every now and then, he misses.

01:34:39.000 And every now and then, I don't.

01:34:41.000 But if you make it pig, his chances go up exponentially.

01:34:45.000 If you make it pig, they go up even radically.

01:34:47.000 If you make it horse, I will never win statistically ever.

01:34:49.000 There's no world where I will ever win that.

01:34:52.000 He has those advantages.

01:34:53.000 There's no question about those advantages.

01:34:55.000 Let's go to Super Chats!

01:34:56.000 If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends if you really do like it and you want to help us out, and go to TimCast.com.

01:35:04.000 Sign up to become a member to support our work, and we're going to have a members-only segment going live on the website around 11 or so p.m.

01:35:10.000 You're not going to want to miss it.

01:35:11.000 It'll be fun.

01:35:12.000 But let's read some Super Chats.

01:35:14.000 Alright, we got Rilo who says, Applebee's is celebrating inflation because it kills competition and makes people poor.

01:35:20.000 They note that more poor people means more disposable employees they can underpay and overwork.

01:35:25.000 Applebee's hates you.

01:35:26.000 I'm not familiar with that.

01:35:27.000 Is that something specific?

01:35:28.000 I didn't hear anything about that.

01:35:29.000 I don't know.

01:35:30.000 Maybe this guy just got fired by Applebee's.

01:35:31.000 Maybe.

01:35:32.000 What if they just like really don't like Applebee's?

01:35:34.000 Yeah, I don't know what would happen.

01:35:35.000 I'm going to Google this now.

01:35:36.000 All right.

01:35:37.000 Patriot American says happy birthday to my fellow Irish-American brother, Seamus.

01:35:41.000 Keep up the good work, bro.

01:35:41.000 Oh, thank you.

01:35:42.000 Thank you.

01:35:43.000 Very kind.

01:35:43.000 Oh, you guys are too nice.

01:35:46.000 I worked really, really hard to make a cake for Seamus.

01:35:48.000 He did.

01:35:49.000 He did.

01:35:49.000 It was insulting.

01:35:50.000 And it was honoring his Irish heritage.

01:35:50.000 Of course.

01:35:53.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:35:54.000 I drew gold coins.

01:35:55.000 That's what the Redskins said.

01:35:56.000 We put shamrocks on it.

01:35:58.000 And I wrote McBirthday.

01:35:59.000 He did, yeah.

01:36:00.000 Birthday.

01:36:01.000 That means son of birthday.

01:36:03.000 It's just racist.

01:36:05.000 Everyone here is Irish.

01:36:06.000 This is a great way of looking back at the problem with stereotyping.

01:36:11.000 If I take a shot and he takes a shot, statistically, I could become the alcoholic or he could become the alcoholic.

01:36:17.000 But if there's three shots...

01:36:19.000 Well, also, I'm a writer too, so like Irish plus writer, I'm in even worse shape.

01:36:26.000 Game over.

01:36:26.000 I just, I think the joke's funny because Seamus is an American guy from the south side of Chicago who we're constantly calling him.

01:36:32.000 I spent most of my life in the suburbs, let's be real.

01:36:34.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:34.000 I can't take all that street credit.

01:36:36.000 All right.

01:36:37.000 Crayson says, it's not just about building culture.

01:36:39.000 You have a culture and history already.

01:36:41.000 You need to make people proud of the history and culture they already are a part of, not forget it and do something else.

01:36:46.000 It's true.

01:36:47.000 I think it's true.

01:36:48.000 I don't think that's enough, but that is a major part of it, and it's a part that we haven't talked about much tonight, so I think it's good that they pointed it out.

01:36:56.000 American Advocate says, I'm so proud of The Daily Wire.

01:36:58.000 They're not afraid of conversation or debate.

01:37:01.000 The biggest cojones in America.

01:37:02.000 I'm all in.

01:37:03.000 Latinos for America.

01:37:05.000 There you go.

01:37:05.000 Wow.

01:37:06.000 That's amazing.

01:37:07.000 Thank you.

01:37:08.000 We take it as a responsibility, but I'll also say we're just having a good time, too, and I think that that's part of what differentiates The Daily Wire, is that we enjoy what we do.

01:37:17.000 Man, my thing is, like, have fun.

01:37:19.000 If you're not having fun, you're doing it wrong.

01:37:22.000 All right, Hayden says, Jeremy, I'm from the Lub area.

01:37:25.000 Thanks for what you've built.

01:37:26.000 You hate credentialism.

01:37:27.000 My question is, how would you recommend somebody get started in learning about video production?

01:37:32.000 Working at Daily Wire has become a goal.

01:37:34.000 Is SPC an option?

01:37:35.000 They've gone woke.

01:37:36.000 Yep, I went to SPC for a period of time.

01:37:40.000 I didn't ever go to a university.

01:37:42.000 I didn't get a college degree.

01:37:43.000 I didn't even get an associate's degree.

01:37:45.000 And I failed at everything that I did in life basically until I was 35 I'd never made more than $25,000 in a year in personal income I had businesses that made more money than that I just paid it to other people and and didn't understand how to pay myself and as a result I had disconnected my own My own personal success from the success of these entities.

01:38:05.000 I'd created sort of a false and Crippling moral paradigm for myself and obviously now I'm spectacularly wealthy and people bow to me and call me So my first thing, as a guy from the Lubbock area, as a guy who went to SPC, I just want to encourage you that it doesn't matter what advantages you start life with, it doesn't matter what advantages come your way, you can make of life what you will.

01:38:31.000 You can set your mind to something and you can go accomplish it.

01:38:34.000 That's not true for everyone and every place.

01:38:36.000 It is true if you're born in this country.

01:38:38.000 The proof is all around you.

01:38:40.000 Opportunity is everywhere.

01:38:42.000 You just have to learn, grow, challenge yourself, never be complacent, don't stand still, don't be risk-averse.

01:38:49.000 If you want security, you can have it, but if you want the kind of success that you're describing, you actually have to go risk for it.

01:38:55.000 Now, as to how does one get the small steps, how does one get into video production, how does one get even a job at the Daily Wire, I think that there's no substitute in life for doing.

01:39:06.000 There are those in life who do, and there are those who do not.

01:39:09.000 And this is my famed Jeremy's Doers and Do-Noters speech.

01:39:13.000 No one has ever been happy to receive it.

01:39:15.000 No one is ever satisfied.

01:39:16.000 They'll say, how do you do thus and such?

01:39:18.000 I give this speech.

01:39:19.000 They always think there's more.

01:39:20.000 There isn't more.

01:39:21.000 There are those who do, and there are those who do not.

01:39:23.000 When I moved to Hollywood, I thought, I'm a smart guy.

01:39:26.000 If I just met Steven Spielberg, and he could tell me how to make a movie, I could take that and go make a movie.

01:39:33.000 And then it was only after years of struggling in Hollywood that I came to realize that Steven Spielberg, if I did get that meeting, what would he tell me?

01:39:41.000 He would say, oh, you want to know how to make a movie?

01:39:43.000 No problem.

01:39:44.000 Find a book written by a famous author that you really like that sold a lot of copies.

01:39:49.000 Give him a million dollars for a two-year option on that book.

01:39:53.000 Then, go take meetings with 10 of the best writers in the world, pay one of them a million dollars to write a draft.

01:39:59.000 You won't like the draft, so you'll pay the second guy on the list half a million dollars to rewrite the draft.

01:40:04.000 When you have a draft that you like, call your buddy Tom Cruise and say, would you like to play the lead in this?

01:40:09.000 He'll say, yeah, and I'll be over for burgers this weekend.

01:40:13.000 Now you've got him.

01:40:14.000 Go to your business partners at your own studio that you own, have them architect the foreign sales deal piece of this, and then go to the major studio with whom you have a direct distribution deal and trigger it, and they'll release it.

01:40:27.000 Now you can make your movie.

01:40:29.000 What good would that information do me if I had it?

01:40:32.000 The real question you want to ask is, Steven Spielberg, how could I make a movie?

01:40:37.000 And the answer to that would be, oh, I have no idea.

01:40:41.000 Steven Spielberg knows less about how you could be successful than anyone.

01:40:45.000 What you should do instead is realize that how did Steven Spielberg himself did it?

01:40:48.000 Well, he just did it.

01:40:51.000 He was a those who do, not a those who do not.

01:40:51.000 Yeah.

01:40:53.000 This is what I tell people, because one of the most frustrating things I hear all the time is either, Tim, you're able to do things because you have money.

01:40:59.000 And I'm like, it's the other way around.

01:41:01.000 It's because I did things I have money.

01:41:03.000 And people saying, if only I had money, I could do thing.

01:41:06.000 And I'm like, that's just not true.

01:41:09.000 I've seen it.

01:41:09.000 I worked for Fusion.

01:41:11.000 They put hundreds of millions of dollars into nothing, flushed down the toilet.

01:41:16.000 Money doesn't make things happen.

01:41:18.000 People do.

01:41:19.000 So whenever people are like, how do I do something?

01:41:22.000 I'm like, you just do it.

01:41:22.000 How do I do?

01:41:24.000 Like, how do I film these videos?

01:41:25.000 I don't have a computer.

01:41:25.000 I don't have cameras.

01:41:26.000 I don't have all that stuff.

01:41:27.000 Like, do you have a phone?

01:41:28.000 Most people do.

01:41:28.000 You do.

01:41:29.000 If you don't, truth be told, maybe you don't.

01:41:31.000 But phones, you can get an Android phone for no joke, like 20 to 30 bucks.

01:41:36.000 Not a good one.

01:41:37.000 You can get a webcam for 20 to 30 bucks.

01:41:39.000 You can go stand in a street corner in any major city and hold up a sign saying, once I get 20 bucks, I'm going to buy a webcam to start a show.

01:41:46.000 That's all I need.

01:41:46.000 And in 10 minutes, I guarantee you someone will walk over and hand you 20 bucks.

01:41:49.000 That is American privilege because we do that.

01:41:52.000 I'm not saying it's the best thing to do, but how about this?

01:41:54.000 You go work for a fast food restaurant.

01:41:56.000 You work until you save up a couple hundred bucks to buy a computer and a camera, and then you can start making videos.

01:42:01.000 And then you just have to earn it.

01:42:02.000 You know, the idea that people are gonna watch your content?

01:42:05.000 It's gotta be earned.

01:42:06.000 You know, I was just talking about this band I knew a long time ago.

01:42:10.000 in a we were driving in a car we were listening to this old music and you know someone said

01:42:14.000 what happened to him I'm like they broke up because the lead singer was like if my music

01:42:18.000 was so good how come I'm not famous and then I was like bro you can't just write a song

01:42:22.000 and then think you're going to be famous like you've got to work for 10 years you've got

01:42:25.000 to keep playing you've got to do you got to put in so much work and effort I got started

01:42:30.000 doing all of this stuff technically well before I was 25 because I was working at nonprofits

01:42:34.000 I was involved in politics.

01:42:36.000 I was reading the news all day every day since I was 15.

01:42:38.000 So when Occupy Wall Street started and I went to cover it, I already knew a lot about what had been going on.

01:42:43.000 This allowed me to, you know, it's all one thing after another.

01:42:46.000 But let's read some more Super Chats.

01:42:48.000 I love that story, and to me, nothing we've talked about tonight is more important than this.

01:42:54.000 We've hit on it in several different ways, but this idea that you're just a victim of your circumstances is the most crippling—the victim mentality is the most crippling ideology that has ever been unleashed on an individual.

01:43:06.000 You again, not everywhere. There are people born in true hardship around the world in this country. You can do so. I

01:43:12.000 love Gary Vaynerchuk for this reason. I love that on Saturdays he goes out and buys crap at garage sales and

01:43:18.000 then sells it and shows that you anyone could have done what he just did.

01:43:22.000 You know the story of the guy who traded the paperclip for a house, right?

01:43:25.000 And but several people have replicated this in various ways.

01:43:25.000 That's right.

01:43:29.000 A guy took a paperclip and he traded it up and up and on Craigslist or wherever the story was.

01:43:33.000 Paperclip for a pen, pen for a notepad, notepad for a pack of pens.

01:43:37.000 Eventually he got to a lawnmower, then a bike, then a broken motorcycle.

01:43:42.000 Eventually it was a boat, and then sooner or later he traded it for an old house, got the deed from a paperclip.

01:43:47.000 The difference between a piece of paper and a million dollar screenplay is what comes out of your brain and goes onto that page.

01:43:54.000 That's it.

01:43:54.000 Let's read some more.

01:43:55.000 All right, David Short says, hey Tim, just bought my first 10 chicks.

01:43:59.000 Please ask Jeremy where the razors are made.

01:44:01.000 That's a non sequitur.

01:44:04.000 Yeah, it is.

01:44:07.000 Our razors are made in China.

01:44:09.000 We source them through Finland.

01:44:10.000 There are no razors made in America.

01:44:13.000 Razors are not made in America.

01:44:14.000 One of the reasons it took us a year to get our razor out is because we were trying to source razors.

01:44:21.000 It's a very challenging thing.

01:44:22.000 A razor is a thing that cuts people.

01:44:24.000 So a lot of people don't want to make them.

01:44:24.000 Yes.

01:44:26.000 There are straight razors made in America.

01:44:29.000 There aren't cartridge razors made in America.

01:44:31.000 We haven't talked about this much publicly.

01:44:34.000 A lot of people will write into me all the time and say, because I'm conservative, and they'll be like, you make your leftist tears tumblers in China.

01:44:40.000 I'm canceling.

01:44:41.000 And I always think, you wrote that on a computer or a phone that was made in China.

01:44:41.000 Yeah.

01:44:45.000 I don't understand.

01:44:46.000 It's not—I didn't decide to export all of America's manufacturing jobs overseas.

01:44:51.000 That happened when I was a child.

01:44:52.000 This is the world that I live in.

01:44:54.000 I want to change that world, but the reality of how to change that world is it takes

01:45:00.000 time, success, and money.

01:45:01.000 Just our Leftist Tears tumbler is a great example.

01:45:03.000 We have priced out what it would cost to manufacture the tumblers in America.

01:45:08.000 Just the equipment would cost $20 million.

01:45:11.000 So the cost of a tumbler would go from $20 per tumbler not to people say you just do it to save a few cents or a few bucks no no no the cost of the tumbler would go from twenty dollars to two hundred dollars per tumbler in raw material like or which means like it is it's not impossible it is it is practically impossible it is not actually it's prohibitively

01:45:35.000 Now, will we ever make our razors in America?

01:45:37.000 Will we ever make our tumblers in America?

01:45:39.000 Well, I'm telling you what it would cost to make the tumblers in America, because I know.

01:45:42.000 Because we're always researching how to change the paradigm where all of our manufacturing is overseas.

01:45:48.000 We do think that we have a constructive role to play in that, but it's a role that one can only play out of success.

01:45:53.000 We've talked to our friends over at Black Rifle Coffee, for example, about buying tumblr making equipment together starting a joint venture it's going to it takes real resources it takes real success to make these razors in america four days ago i did not own a razor company today i've sold 25 000 razor subscriptions like that to do that requires

01:46:16.000 Buying razors where they already make razors.

01:46:19.000 If we sell a million razor subscriptions, we'll build a razor company in America and we'll change things.

01:46:23.000 And by the way, if we get a million subscribers, it won't just be our razors that are made in America.

01:46:27.000 Once we build the infrastructure to make razors in America, other companies will come source razors from us.

01:46:34.000 So it's not that I'm opposed to the where is this made question.

01:46:38.000 I get a little bent out of shape about this because I think people don't really understand how much we have exported overseas in terms of

01:46:48.000 manufacturing.

01:46:49.000 Everything.

01:46:50.000 How much money and time it's going to take to fix that.

01:46:53.000 And to think that, well, you shouldn't be able to start, if you're a real American, you wouldn't even start a

01:46:57.000 company until you could make the razors in America,

01:46:59.000 which just means that you can't make anything.

01:47:02.000 I want to eventually manufacture things in America, which we will do in success.

01:47:06.000 Absolutely.

01:47:07.000 I love that people think, you know, a lot of people I saw on Twitter were saying,

01:47:10.000 like, I can't believe the Daily Wire would do this.

01:47:12.000 And I'm just like, do you, I wonder if, do you think that you get like the Daily Wire guys aren't thinking about that when, when they, you know, why are they making that in China?

01:47:19.000 It's like, I'm pretty sure they know what people are going to say if they do and why they have to.

01:47:25.000 Yeah, like these microphones were made in China, and these laptops were made in China, that gorilla was made in China.

01:47:29.000 Like, it's going to take time to change that.

01:47:31.000 Maybe there's a gorilla on there?

01:47:32.000 Huh, let's see what he says here.

01:47:33.000 Yeah, he's definitely Chinese.

01:47:35.000 Well, this one has, is that Chinese on the packaging?

01:47:38.000 I don't know.

01:47:38.000 This is a gift from Luke Rudkowski.

01:47:40.000 That is Chinese.

01:47:43.000 Luke Rudkowski sent a birthday present made in China!

01:47:48.000 Is his mug made in China?

01:47:48.000 I'm dead against it.

01:47:50.000 No, we tried.

01:47:52.000 Yeah, we should change it.

01:47:53.000 Yeah, this mug was made in China.

01:47:53.000 But it's a generational work to change it.

01:47:55.000 You want to know the craziest thing?

01:47:56.000 Tell me.

01:47:56.000 How they make skateboards.

01:47:58.000 Wood from Canada gets shipped to the U.S., then shipped to China, turned into a skateboard, and shipped back to the U.S.

01:48:05.000 That sounds like the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

01:48:06.000 A lot of people are taking a cut on that.

01:48:07.000 Chinese labor is so cheap that it's cheaper to ship all of that wood all over the

01:48:12.000 place than just make it here in the U.S.

01:48:13.000 It's also the EPA. Very famously, Steve Jobs said, only a year or two before he died, he said,

01:48:19.000 if we had not been able to make the iPhone, if I had been required to make the iPhone in America,

01:48:24.000 just the process of innovating around the class for the screen on the iPhone.

01:48:29.000 He said, I don't remember what iPhone we were on when Steve Jobs died, iPhone 6 or iPhone 6S or something.

01:48:34.000 He said, we would not be at iPhone 1 yet.

01:48:37.000 Yeah.

01:48:38.000 If I had to make it in America.

01:48:39.000 And that's because environmental laws, and you could say environmental laws that Steve Jobs supported.

01:48:42.000 I'm not, I'm not giving you a Steve Jobs hagiography.

01:48:46.000 I'm just telling you, if a guy worth billions and billions and billions of dollars couldn't manufacture in America, Have a little grace for those of us who are trying to start things from the ground up.

01:48:54.000 Mike Allen says, if you joined late and are listening at 1.5x speed to catch up, Jeremy sounds like Ben Shapiro.

01:49:02.000 Oh, that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me.

01:49:04.000 Alright, Josh OhMyGosh says, how the frick can I get an acting job with The Daily Wire?

01:49:09.000 I need a job I can enjoy.

01:49:10.000 I'm an entertainer and I can't stand Hollywood.

01:49:12.000 Please let Jeremy know, I will send my resume to him.

01:49:16.000 Yeah, look, we need talent.

01:49:19.000 One of the challenges in our work is because we're very front-facing, because we're very public, a lot of people ask us for jobs, and obviously you can't hire everyone who asks you for a job, but we are looking for real talent.

01:49:30.000 We're looking for real talent in our entertainment business.

01:49:32.000 We're looking for real talent in the manufacturing and distribution of consumer goods business, which Suddenly we have.

01:49:39.000 We're looking for real executive and leadership and management talent at The Daily Wire.

01:49:43.000 Scaling a business is incredibly hard.

01:49:45.000 Everything about being successful is hard.

01:49:47.000 There's a great line in an episode of Breaking Bad when the villain is making soup and he says to Walter White, you must learn to be rich.

01:49:56.000 To be poor, anyone can manage.

01:49:58.000 And it's true. Everyone knows how to fail. You have to learn how to succeed, and you have to keep learning how to

01:50:04.000 succeed.

01:50:04.000 Success can lead you to destruction just as quickly as failure can.

01:50:08.000 And so at every turn as we grow this business, we need talent.

01:50:12.000 So please, you know, reach at careers at Daily Wire.

01:50:15.000 Send us your resume. Send us your, send us your, whether you're in entertainment or in business or whatever. We need

01:50:22.000 good talent.

01:50:23.000 When it comes to acting, I feel like the industry's changed and that the resume headshot thing's done now.

01:50:28.000 What I want to see is that, and I want to see the real.

01:50:31.000 I want to see video of them.

01:50:32.000 Yeah, go do something.

01:50:34.000 Your story is that you failed up until you were 35, is that what it was?

01:50:40.000 Like you weren't making a lot of money, and then all of a sudden you started being successful?

01:50:45.000 Started the daily wire.

01:50:46.000 Actually, it was the first time that I ever made more than $25,000 in a year was at the precursor company that Ben and I had called Truth Revolt.

01:50:54.000 And I got a nice salary, and at that time, PragerU started paying me a nice salary as well.

01:50:59.000 Not a salary, but a nice consulting fee.

01:51:02.000 And so I was suddenly making six figures for the first time in my life as a 35-year-old man.

01:51:08.000 And it really is amazing how just that change of mind that Ben and my friend Frank helped me achieve unlocked all of the actual power of economic incentive.

01:51:21.000 And between 35 and 43, I flew here on a private plane to do your show today.

01:51:25.000 Wow!

01:51:26.000 So you're the 1%, and were you shocked when you realized the laws limiting how you could spend money once you got large sums of money?

01:51:34.000 Oh yeah.

01:51:36.000 I bring this up because I can't tell you how many conversations I've had with people when they say things like, Hey, why don't you just do this or that with your company?

01:51:44.000 I'm like, that's illegal.

01:51:45.000 And they're like, what?

01:51:46.000 Right.

01:51:46.000 And I'm like, you can't just do that with money.

01:51:49.000 There's limitations, there's financial limitations, there's laws, there's tax restrictions, there's tax holding requirements, all this crazy stuff.

01:51:55.000 You can't just, you can't just, you can't even just give someone money.

01:51:58.000 No, you can't give people money.

01:51:59.000 Everybody's like, if you gave me a million, if I gave you a million dollars, I can't give you a million dollars, even if I had a million dollars to give you.

01:52:04.000 The other thing people don't, that they don't understand is that when you are in a rapid ascent, the way that people of means are taxed is different.

01:52:13.000 I don't pay taxes on April 15th.

01:52:15.000 I pay taxes every quarter.

01:52:16.000 And those taxes are based on projections of earnings that the IRS has rules about.

01:52:21.000 And so there have been times over these last seven years where I was making an incredible amount of money on paper.

01:52:27.000 But I was giving so much money to the government that I didn't know how I was going to pay my mortgage.

01:52:34.000 It's unbelievable how they take that money from you.

01:52:36.000 And if you make a lot of money in one year or one quarter, and then all of a sudden COVID hits and revenues drop dramatically, they're like, we still expect your projections.

01:52:44.000 You've got to pay X amount of dollars.

01:52:46.000 You've got to pay as a percentage of last year's Success.

01:52:49.000 Well, the government's job is to control the economy and giving it to the Federal Reserve is blatant disrespect.

01:52:55.000 If you want to represent me and you want my tax money, you better represent me and not outsource the representation to a private company.

01:53:04.000 Sorry, but I want to try and get more Super Chats in.

01:53:07.000 CD Stein says, ask Jeremy if they would consider also starting a book publishing company that includes comics since the rise of insane wokeness in the big two of comics.

01:53:17.000 Yeah, well we have started a book publishing company, DW Publishing.

01:53:20.000 Our first book is with Sgt.

01:53:23.000 Manningly and is out now.

01:53:24.000 We have a couple of other really good books that are going to come out.

01:53:27.000 Our first release was actually What is a Walrus by Matt Walsh, which was a children's board book, but our first adult publication is Manningly's book.

01:53:37.000 We signed a great book deal with Jonathan Isaac, the NBA player, which we're really proud about.

01:53:42.000 And that guy stood up when other people were kneeling, and we're proud to be in business with him.

01:53:48.000 And we have, only in the last four weeks, we have seen the first boards for a graphic novel that we're working on.

01:53:56.000 So this is something that we're pursuing.

01:53:58.000 We're not pursuing it with the same sort of aggressive vigor that we are our entertainment play.

01:54:02.000 It's a place where I would say we're testing I have a really great idea for a children's book.

01:54:07.000 It's not a hill we're charging, it's a place where we're testing, but obviously we think

01:54:11.000 the creation of IP, the creation of comics, the creation of graphic novels, the creation

01:54:14.000 of fiction, you know, again, one of the things that makes us different from other conservative

01:54:18.000 companies even in publishing is that we're not just going to publish a bunch of nonfiction.

01:54:22.000 I have a really great idea for a children's book.

01:54:24.000 It's called The Donkey Who Cried Bear.

01:54:28.000 It's about a family, a village of donkeys, and one donkey keeps screaming, the bears

01:54:33.000 The bears are controlling our donkey president!

01:54:35.000 You know?

01:54:35.000 Yeah.

01:54:36.000 But then what happens at the end?

01:54:37.000 I'm actually kidding.

01:54:38.000 Tim, what happens at the end?

01:54:39.000 Tim, I thought we were working on this.

01:54:41.000 The bears invade!

01:54:43.000 An elephant charges in.

01:54:45.000 What's the cost model for Daily Wire right now for someone that wants to subscribe to the network?

01:54:49.000 Yeah, I mean, head over to dailywire.com slash subscribe and become a member.

01:54:52.000 There's a couple of different tiers.

01:54:54.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:54:55.000 Use promo code TIMPOOL to get 25% off.

01:54:57.000 Use promo code TIMPOOL to get 25% off.

01:54:59.000 Is that a real promo code?

01:55:01.000 Yeah.

01:55:01.000 I would like to say to any of my staff listening, please quickly turn on a promo code called TIMPOOL.

01:55:05.000 No, no, because Daily Wire had us sponsor two of our shows this month.

01:55:10.000 Oh, that's right.

01:55:11.000 There is a promo code TIMPOOL.

01:55:12.000 25% off.

01:55:12.000 Heck yeah.

01:55:13.000 And then do you get access to all the movies on the network and all the graphic novels when you subscribe?

01:55:18.000 Yes, well, there are no graphic novels yet in existence.

01:55:21.000 But yes, you get The Ben Shapiro Show, Candace Owen Show, Michael Knowles, if you want him, Matt Walsh.

01:55:26.000 Also, Shut In, things like that.

01:55:28.000 You get the feature film Shut In, The Hyperions, Run, Hide, Fight.

01:55:31.000 So truly like a Netflix, similar to a Netflix model at this state.

01:55:34.000 Exactly.

01:55:34.000 So we have a question here from Uncle... But instead of having every movie ever created, we have Run, Hide, Fight, Shut In, and The Hyperions.

01:55:41.000 Hyperions is out.

01:55:42.000 The Hyperions is out.

01:55:43.000 I definitely want to watch that.

01:55:43.000 It's fabulous.

01:55:44.000 Uncle D says, will the Daily Wire make cartoons and a streaming service?

01:55:48.000 We won't need Disney, Hulu, or Netflix.

01:55:49.000 Well, we know you're doing a streaming service, but are you doing cartoons?

01:55:52.000 Well, it was reported today that Ben Shapiro said that Daily Wire is going to move into kids' content.

01:56:00.000 I had to call Ben and say, Ben, don't say things like that!

01:56:03.000 We're not ready yet!

01:56:05.000 But it is true that we're in development on kids' content, and it's definitely our hope that in 2023 we can bring some great kids' content to the market.

01:56:15.000 Spidgebee says, you need to jam with Jeremy.

01:56:18.000 He's quite an accomplished musician.

01:56:21.000 Ah, well, I'm not... I am quite accomplished.

01:56:23.000 What I'm not is very good.

01:56:25.000 I say I'm accomplished because Smokey Mike and the God King played to a sold-out house at the Mother Church of Country Music, the Ryman Auditorium.

01:56:32.000 Wow.

01:56:34.000 But you should never mistake that for talent, which I have very fleeting levels of talent.

01:56:39.000 Michael Knowles, he's really good.

01:56:40.000 Michael's a great guitar player.

01:56:41.000 Yeah, he sings too.

01:56:42.000 I cannot believe I'm hearing compliments of Michael Knowles right now.

01:56:44.000 It's unbelievable.

01:56:46.000 Disturbing.

01:56:47.000 Only in the context of Smokey Mike and the God King will I say anything nice.

01:56:50.000 Only his alter ego gets a compliment.

01:56:52.000 Well, it's his group.

01:56:53.000 He's got to compliment himself.

01:56:54.000 It's true, it's true.

01:56:55.000 Tough break.

01:56:56.000 All right, Andrew Lantz says, God King, I've been a DW All Access member for as long as possible.

01:57:00.000 Get with Seamus and give us our Freedom Tunes animated series already.

01:57:06.000 I, when I sat down, Seamus said, you know, what would you like to talk about at our meeting in two weeks?

01:57:13.000 And I said, I honestly, God didn't know we had a meeting in two weeks.

01:57:16.000 That was actually really, really funny.

01:57:18.000 But that is apparently a thing that's happening.

01:57:20.000 I couldn't, I'm stoked about it.

01:57:21.000 I love freedom tunes.

01:57:22.000 Thank you.

01:57:23.000 Ben Shapiro shooting lasers out of his eyes was a turning point.

01:57:26.000 Honestly, gang, okay, it's something I actually do every now and again, so the fact that he put it in a cartoon is really revolutionary.

01:57:31.000 People need to know.

01:57:32.000 Ben Shapiro reacting, uh, Freedom Tunes' Ben Shapiro reacting to real Ben Shapiro reacting to Freedom Tunes was good.

01:57:38.000 Yeah, so Ben Shapiro reacted to my cartoon of him, and then I did a cartoon of cartoon Ben Shapiro reacting to real Ben Shapiro reacting to the cartoon.

01:57:46.000 Or Ben Shapiro's Family Thanksgiving, was it?

01:57:47.000 That was one of the best.

01:57:49.000 Family Thanksgiving.

01:57:50.000 I love that one.

01:57:51.000 He tweeted it.

01:57:51.000 It's funny because right after I made it, I put it on Twitter and then he retweeted it and said, this is a documentary.

01:57:57.000 Did he really?

01:58:00.000 Yeah, he said this is a documentary.

01:58:02.000 I tweeted the link at him and he posted the link and said, this is a documentary.

01:58:05.000 That's awesome.

01:58:06.000 I have been to a family dinner or two at Ben's home with his entire family and it is not unlike.

01:58:11.000 I knew it.

01:58:12.000 Perfect.

01:58:14.000 All right.

01:58:15.000 Chris Stark says, Tim and crew, you should read Milton Friedman, Unraveled by Murray Rothbard.

01:58:20.000 Oh yes, Rothbard.

01:58:21.000 It helps to explain his role as to why we are in the current economic situation, and some well worth it.

01:58:27.000 Very smart man.

01:58:28.000 Oh yeah.

01:58:29.000 Mindfury says the metaverse.

01:58:31.000 Remember Demolition Man from the mid-90s?

01:58:33.000 Adult activity was banned and lovemaking required a VR headset?

01:58:37.000 How prescient in retrospect.

01:58:39.000 Prescient has never sounded more seedy than the way you just said it.

01:58:42.000 Yeah, I don't like that.

01:58:44.000 I don't feel good about it.

01:58:47.000 All right, Roberto Lara says, Lex had the same discussion with Mark Zuckerberg about how we'll represent ourselves on the metaverse.

01:58:54.000 A recommendable podcast.

01:58:55.000 You get to see the android Mark versus the robot Lex.

01:58:58.000 That is interesting.

01:58:59.000 Yeah.

01:59:01.000 PHGamer says, OMG, at Tim, you need to watch Ghost in the Shell Standalone Complex.

01:59:06.000 It was eerie where it went, but there was an episode where a stalker put on a cybersuit body of her lover and tried to kill him.

01:59:12.000 I have seen Ghost in the Shell Standalone Complex, but it's been, I think, 20 years.

01:59:17.000 Or, you know, close to that, so I should rewatch it.

01:59:19.000 But, amazing series.

01:59:20.000 I love that opening song by Origa as well.

01:59:22.000 Good music.

01:59:24.000 Alright, Matt R. says, If you like sharp things in a business that doesn't hate anyone, try my brother's mall shop, animearmory.square.site.

01:59:33.000 They have a sharp Zelda prop for you.

01:59:35.000 We have the, you saw the Master Sword?

01:59:37.000 I saw the Master Sword.

01:59:38.000 I wanna sharpen it.

01:59:39.000 Well, yeah, you've got to sharpen it.

01:59:41.000 But I don't think it's made of a real material.

01:59:42.000 I don't know how you're going to kill Ganon with a dull master sword.

01:59:45.000 Silver arrows.

01:59:46.000 It's magic, I suppose.

01:59:48.000 Eric Conson says, Ian, quote, I'm a huge Star Trek TNG fan.

01:59:52.000 Doesn't know what best of both worlds is shaking my head.

01:59:55.000 Well, true.

01:59:56.000 I want to, I just want to, in defense of Ian, it's been so long since I've actually done a watch through of TNG.

02:00:00.000 It's been, I think like seven years that I probably am going to, you know, I've messed up names as well.

02:00:05.000 I went through like a year phase where I watched every episode night after night or like a five or six month thing, but I didn't catch the names of any of them.

02:00:14.000 I'm old and watched them in real time.

02:00:16.000 Oh, I mean, I watched him when I was a little kid.

02:00:18.000 My dad would put it on and I'd sit on the couch.

02:00:19.000 You saw them all in real time?

02:00:20.000 Mm-hmm.

02:00:21.000 Oh, wow.

02:00:21.000 Yeah, I very vividly remember I was on a band trip.

02:00:26.000 I was a saxophone player, and I was in the high school band, and we were down in Austin, Texas, in an Embassy Suites, and everybody was gonna go out and hang out for the night, but it was the night of the final series finale of The Next Generation, and so I stayed inside and watched Picard and Q mix it up, and everybody else went out.

02:00:43.000 Q's a great character, man.

02:00:44.000 Yeah.

02:00:46.000 All right, BN says, I've heard Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry was a confirmed atheist who hated organized religion.

02:00:51.000 The acronym B.O.R.G.

02:00:52.000 stands for Bigoted Organized Religious Groups.

02:00:54.000 Any thoughts?

02:00:55.000 Sad.

02:00:56.000 I don't believe, I don't believe the B.O.R.G.

02:00:57.000 thing.

02:00:58.000 But he wasn't, Roddenberry wasn't atheist.

02:01:00.000 Yeah, I think that's right.

02:01:01.000 In the original series, they're less heavy handed about it, but then in Next Gen, Picard says some things which are like more overtly secular.

02:01:09.000 But bigoted wasn't used as frequently in that context back then as it is today.

02:01:14.000 So I'm not sure that I believe that.

02:01:16.000 Yeah.

02:01:18.000 All right.

02:01:19.000 What is it?

02:01:20.000 Mixed up says Jeremy asked him to sing a song on the members only segment.

02:01:23.000 Truth be told, I thought it was going to say something about Jeremy singing.

02:01:26.000 Because you have a hit song, I think, right?

02:01:28.000 Together again.

02:01:30.000 Sing us the song, you're the Beanie Man.

02:01:32.000 Yeah.

02:01:32.000 What?

02:01:32.000 There you go.

02:01:33.000 That's right.

02:01:34.000 All right, we'll grab a couple more here.

02:01:36.000 Actually, Tigre says, when Dallas Saunier was on... Am I pronouncing that right?

02:01:42.000 Saunier.

02:01:42.000 Saunier was on Timcast IRL.

02:01:44.000 He said, Daily Wire needs to break into the sci-fi genre.

02:01:47.000 Jeremy, would you prefer to read a treatment sooner or a screenplay later?

02:01:51.000 I have studied up on your stuff and have something I think fits the Daily Wire.

02:01:56.000 Yeah, one of the real challenges is how to take submissions.

02:02:00.000 You know, when you talk about how we make a lot of money and there are all these rules about how we can spend it.

02:02:06.000 The rules around copyright and pitches, unsolicited in particular pitches, are so absurd.

02:02:12.000 If you send a screenplay to me, I will not be able to read it legally.

02:02:16.000 If you mail it to me, I will not be able to open the mail.

02:02:19.000 If you email it to me, I will have to delete it without opening it and show my attorney that I've deleted it.

02:02:24.000 Because the studios for years and years and years have paid settlement money to people who say You know Jurassic Park that was my I had the idea that we should make a movie with dinosaurs in it 24 years ago And I pitched it to a guy who at that time worked in the concession stand at an AMC theater or whatever and and that's a very lucrative business and so I'll just tell you that for me One of the great stories of my life, this guy Roderick Taylor, the Falconer, who's had a bunch of songs.

02:02:52.000 He had seven records with David Geffen back in the 70s and 80s, and then he became a great screenwriter.

02:02:57.000 He wrote on TV, then he had a feature film with Jodie Foster called The Brave One, that you may recall.

02:03:02.000 And Rod told me this great story one time where his father was at a retirement community or something down in Florida and called him.

02:03:09.000 Hey dad, how's it going?

02:03:10.000 Rod, I need to put you on the phone with my friend.

02:03:14.000 You don't have any friends, Dad.

02:03:15.000 What are you talking about?

02:03:16.000 No, no, my friend, my friend who works at the front desk of the old folks home.

02:03:20.000 All right, Dad, put him on the phone.

02:03:22.000 Guy gets on the phone and goes, Hey, I've got this great idea for a screenplay.

02:03:25.000 And Rod said, I don't need your idea.

02:03:28.000 I'm a professional writer.

02:03:29.000 It's basically he was, he was in Glengarry Glen Ross.

02:03:32.000 I don't, I'm a professional writer.

02:03:34.000 I have had every idea.

02:03:36.000 Ideas are not what's missing.

02:03:37.000 What's missing is execution.

02:03:39.000 And this is a great lesson.

02:03:41.000 Your screenplay may be terrific.

02:03:43.000 Your idea may be great.

02:03:44.000 It is all execution at every step, and I wish that I could shortcut for you how to get your screenplay to me, especially if it's well executed.

02:03:53.000 But you just have to keep executing, and we have to find ways around these really prohibitive laws that make it almost impossible, because if I hear your idea and it's bad, It still puts me in a position where I can't make a good version of that idea or some other idea that's sort of tangentially related to that idea 20 years from now when I don't even remember the bad idea that I've heard.

02:04:13.000 This can be fixed.

02:04:13.000 There are ways around it, but it is very challenging.

02:04:15.000 Can they recuse on the mail, I want no copyright for this?

02:04:19.000 Yes, and in fact, one of the things that we are talking about doing is trying to create some sort of digital submission, because in a digital submission, I can make you check the box before you submit.

02:04:28.000 This is not because I want to steal people's ideas.

02:04:31.000 Not in any way.

02:04:32.000 It's because Dallas Sonier has read 500 scripts for me in the last year.

02:04:40.000 500 scripts.

02:04:42.000 Every idea, some germ of every idea has been present in one of those scripts.

02:04:47.000 So you just can't be in a situation where 20 years from now you make something.

02:04:51.000 There's no way you stole someone's idea, right?

02:04:54.000 You're just doing the work.

02:04:56.000 You can't create those liabilities.

02:04:58.000 Again, there are ways around it.

02:04:59.000 That's one way.

02:05:00.000 I've never cared much for ideas.

02:05:05.000 I've never viewed ideas as being the most important thing.

02:05:08.000 Like you're saying, execution is everything.

02:05:09.000 Yes.

02:05:09.000 And I actually think it's kind of a cop-out too for people who are like, I had this idea and it's like, and you did nothing with it?

02:05:14.000 You didn't, yeah, exactly.

02:05:15.000 So I've been at a bunch of meetings and I learned this when I was in California from a lot of people, or this is what they told me is, What you're told when you're growing up poor is never share your ideas because they'll steal it.

02:05:28.000 And what they tell you when you're rich is share your idea with everyone you can to refine it.

02:05:33.000 Because if an investor hears it, they're going to hire you, the guy who thought of it, who has the vision and the passion to do it, to make it.

02:05:39.000 Because trying to find someone else to do it means you're going to have someone who's not driven to do it.

02:05:43.000 It's a mistake.

02:05:44.000 So for me, for the most part, I don't care if someone steals my ideas.

02:05:47.000 I'll talk about my ideas, whatever, with anybody.

02:05:50.000 I'm such a firm believer in execution that I'll give away any idea to.

02:05:57.000 Most people, even if they knew exactly how to do what you've done, even if it were replicable and you gave them the blueprint on how to replicate it, 99.9% of people wouldn't.

02:06:08.000 Even if you're paying them sometimes.

02:06:08.000 Exactly.

02:06:10.000 I'm blessed with an amazing team, but sometimes you can be working on a project with a group of people, or if any of you have worked a job with other people who just were not doing what they were supposed to, it's like you can get orders from people above you to do a specific thing and everyone drops the ball.

02:06:23.000 So the idea that people are just going to take your idea and make it for free is ridiculous.

02:06:27.000 Well, you know, so I've been in so many meetings pitching ideas and everything, and I've always just been like, here's all of my ideas.

02:06:33.000 None of them have ever been stolen.

02:06:34.000 Yeah.

02:06:35.000 The issue you'll learn when it comes to a lot of investors, too, because I've sat down with big investor meetings and they're like, you know, we've had conversations about how people are scared of their ideas being stolen.

02:06:44.000 And they were like, the idea that we'd invest in a random person we'd hire as opposed to the person who had the idea is kind of a crazy thought.

02:06:51.000 It can happen if a really dumb person, like a really undriven person who doesn't do anything, Puts two and two together like that is actually a good idea, but this person can't pull it off I'll tell you an amazing story when we met with The high net worth individual who gave us the the initial capital on which we built the daily wire Again it was a very small amount of money compared to the success that we've driven, but we needed it It was an instrumental moment in our money in our careers to go raise that money.

02:07:18.000 We're sitting in this giant like Bond villain Conference room you know I'm sure there was a shark button that they could have pressed if they didn't like our pitch and the high net worth individual was in the room and some

02:07:29.000 and some other members of his family were in the room and Ben and I were and Caleb were

02:07:32.000 giving our pitch and at a certain point one of one of the high net worth individuals

02:07:38.000 relatives leaned back in his chair and he said you know people pitch us ideas all the time a lot of people

02:07:47.000 have come in here and say they want to build a company that makes conservative content puts it on

02:07:51.000 the internet why should we give our money to you and Ben Shapiro did not miss not not half a

02:07:57.000 second he said I'm better than they are execution that's it um if you go before me and you say

02:08:07.000 I tell this people all the time when it comes to sales and pitches

02:08:12.000 You might get someone with no talent, but someone who speaks well.

02:08:16.000 No ability to build the machine, but they can tell you they can build the machine.

02:08:20.000 And who am I supposed to trust?

02:08:21.000 If someone comes to me and says, I want to build a 3D printer, I'm going to say, why should I fund this?

02:08:27.000 And if they say, well, look, to be honest, there are a lot of printers out there.

02:08:30.000 I think I can do a good job, but I will do my best.

02:08:33.000 I'm like, OK.

02:08:34.000 If some guy comes in and says, listen, you want a 3D printer?

02:08:36.000 I'm going to build it.

02:08:37.000 It'll be the best you've ever seen.

02:08:38.000 No one can do it better than me.

02:08:39.000 I'll be like, all right, well.

02:08:41.000 If you don't have the confidence yourself to do it, I can't invest in it.

02:08:43.000 With that being said, go to TimCast.com, have confidence in us, because we're going to have a members-only segment coming up around 11pm is when we'll publish it, so smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, and become a member at TimCast.com.

02:08:55.000 You can follow us at TimCast IRL basically everywhere.

02:08:58.000 You can follow me at TimCast.

02:08:59.000 Jeremy, did you want to shout anything out?

02:09:01.000 Well, first of all, I would promote TimCast, but everybody listening already knows about it.

02:09:05.000 But I really appreciate you guys having me on the show.

02:09:08.000 You know, if somebody wants to head over to IHateHarris.com, they'll get the shave of their life with a Jeremy's razor.

02:09:12.000 And we'd love to have your business over at DailyWire.com as well.

02:09:15.000 Right on.

02:09:16.000 I'm Seamus Coghlan.

02:09:17.000 I create an animated web series called Freedom Tunes.

02:09:19.000 If y'all want to go check that out, we released a cartoon today and one on Tuesday.

02:09:23.000 Go over there and subscribe, please.

02:09:24.000 And thank you very much.

02:09:25.000 Ian Crossland from iancrossland.net.

02:09:27.000 Seamus, can you roll me that red 100-sided?

02:09:29.000 You want me to roll you this dice?

02:09:30.000 You gonna risk it?

02:09:31.000 No, no, I'm not gonna.

02:09:32.000 I just, I don't want you to like roll a one in the show.

02:09:33.000 I have a gift for you.

02:09:35.000 It's this red 100-sided die.

02:09:38.000 Oh my god, happy birthday to me!

02:09:41.000 That was a 20, my friend.

02:09:41.000 Happy birthday, homie!

02:09:42.000 You're a wonderful human being.

02:09:44.000 Love you, Seamus.

02:09:45.000 Jerry, thank you so much for coming, man.

02:09:46.000 Hey Seamus, Ian gave me a 120-sided dice.

02:09:50.000 Well, it's different.

02:09:51.000 Comparison, it really is the thief of joy.

02:09:53.000 I know, right?

02:09:56.000 That's terrible.

02:09:56.000 Anyway, I really appreciate that high note to go out on.

02:09:59.000 Thank you so much for coming, Jeremy.

02:10:00.000 I really appreciate what you guys are doing over at The Daily Wire.

02:10:03.000 We are having John Mattingly on in the future, and Andrew Klavan as well.

02:10:08.000 Very excited to do this crossover between the two different companies.

02:10:12.000 I am Sour Patch Lids.

02:10:12.000 You can follow me on Twitter at Minds.com.

02:10:15.000 We will see all of you over at TimCast.com.

02:10:17.000 Thanks for hanging out.

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