Mark Hemingway joins Alex Blumberg to discuss the fallout from the cancelation of Dave Chappelle's stand-up special, Comedy Bang Bang!, and why he thinks the media is the virus, not the bug.
00:00:00.000You Dave Chappelle is fired back at the activists and the
00:00:09.000Netflix employees that were complaining about his comedy special
00:00:12.000With his own list of demands He said, I will not bend to anyone, but if you want to meet, you have to abide by my conditions.
00:00:19.000And one of them was a direct roast of comedian Hannah Gadsby.
00:00:25.000He just said you have to admit she's not funny, and it's just, uh, it's kind of funny.
00:00:29.000Dave Chappelle's basically striking back, rejecting the cancellation of him as a comedian, but this is an interesting subject because I'm not entirely sure Dave Chappelle will survive the cancel attempt, because these activists show up in front of the building, as you may have seen with this big protest, they attack people, the media lies on their behalf, and it goes viral.
00:00:48.000But I gotta say, Dave Chappelle's response right now might actually be what helps fend this off.
00:00:54.000Because he's refusing to back down in such a way, maybe we'll get something good out of it.
00:01:34.000I am a senior writer for Real Clear Investigations, and I have worked at three magazines, two daily newspapers, a financial wire service, and a think tank over the course of my career.
00:01:45.000And yeah, so I'm glad to be here at the future of journalism.
00:02:00.000I'm gonna have to turn around to remember the subtitle.
00:02:03.000How the Media, Big Tech, and Democrats Seized Our Elections.
00:02:07.000And so this book was kind of an attempt to make sense of what happened in 2020.
00:02:12.000Um, where, you know, there was a lot of crazy, you know, things that people were saying about what happened or did happen after the election.
00:02:20.000But the truth is, you know, my wife and I stepped back and took like, you know, 30,000 foot view of the election where you have big tech censorship.
00:02:27.000You have all these crazy COVID narratives.
00:03:28.000I remember going on stage and I don't know what happened, but something happened where I just was speaking my mind and I was just, I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
00:03:44.000The shirt I have on will either get you instant friends or enemies and it says the media is the virus and you could get yours on thebestpoliticalshirts.com It was invigorating to be eight feet away from you when you lit fire like a lightning rod on stage the other night.
00:04:18.000I'm going to keep him grounded and keep him—because really, you can be famous as you want, you can still go crazy, but when you have good friends, that's what you need.
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00:05:11.000And I want to start with Dave Chappelle because, you know, I was talking about the Alec Baldwin
00:05:17.000I believe new information has emerged showing that Alec Baldwin is potentially criminally responsible for this.
00:05:25.000And I'm not trying to make this a segment about Alec Baldwin, but I want to explain.
00:05:29.000This is a guy who is the producer in a movie.
00:05:33.000Who knew there had been a negligent discharge multiple times, was then handed a weapon, did not check it, even though he's been trained for decades, pointed it at the crew, pulled the trigger, killing a woman.
00:05:46.000And you see all these people on the left saying, he's not at fault, it was an accident.
00:05:50.000There was a post on Reddit where they were like, if you think that a guy who accidentally shot someone should go to jail, but the president shouldn't, you know, Donald Trump.
00:05:59.000Then they're like, something's wrong with you.
00:06:00.000And I'm like, let me just say it one more time.
00:06:02.000Alec Baldwin was a producer on the movie.
00:06:05.000There had been two separate negligent discharges the crew knew about.
00:06:28.000So when I see the story with Dave Chappelle, now to segue into why the Dave Chappelle story matters, I actually was saying in the past week or so with this whole Dave Chappelle Netflix thing, you get the Netflix employees coming out, physically attacking a guy, claiming that after they destroy his sign, claim it's now a weapon.
00:06:43.000Then the media reports that the guy was actually the one attacking them.
00:07:06.000These are the wingnut activists, the political actors, not people who are simply LGBTQ.
00:07:12.000And he said, quote, I want everyone in this audience to know, that even though the media frames it, that it's me versus that community, that is not what it is.
00:07:20.000Do not blame the LGBTQ community for any of this crap.
00:07:25.000It's about corporate interests, and what I can say, and what I cannot say.
00:07:28.000For the record, and I need you to know this, everyone I know from that community has been loving and supportive, supporting, so I don't know what all this nonsense is about.
00:07:37.000He said, I believe Chappelle also spoke about the upcoming documentary.
00:07:40.000This film that I made was invited to every film festival in the United States, and some of those invitations I accepted.
00:07:46.000When this controversy came out about the closure, they began disinviting me from these film festivals.
00:07:51.000And now today, not a film company, not a movie studio, not a film festival, nobody will touch this film.
00:07:57.000Thank God for Ted Sarandos and Netflix.
00:07:59.000He's the only one that didn't cancel me yet.
00:09:03.000And we also have to understand that this is not just Dave Chappelle shooting shots for no reason.
00:09:08.000Hannah Gadsby attacked Dave and the CEO of Netflix before.
00:09:14.000The CEO of Netflix came out in response to a lot of this ... controversy by saying quote so we have sex education orange ... is the new black control Z Hannah Gadsby and Dave Chappelle ... all on Netflix key to this is increasing diversity on the ... content team itself now that's a simple response saying hey ... everyone here gets a voice on this platform on this very ... important platform and Hannah responded on Instagram.
00:09:41.000By saying quote Ted just a quick note to let you know that I would prefer if you didn't drag my name into your mess now I have to deal with even more of the hate and anger that Dave Chappelle's fans like to unleash on me every time Dave gets $20 million.
00:10:00.000partial world views and then later she adds you didn't pay me nearly enough to
00:10:05.000deal with this with the real-world consequences of the hate speech
00:10:09.000whistling you refuse to acknowledge F you Ted you're and you're amoral
00:10:15.000algorithm cult so those are very big words by her yeah well I think a lot of
00:10:21.000people are angry at Gatsby for you know continuing to marketing market what she
00:10:27.000I mean, that would induce some kind of hateful response in me if I was told this was going to be funny and I watched what she did.
00:10:34.000But, you know, you've made a really excellent point there, though, about how they keep trying to say that this activist fringe represents this wide swath of people.
00:10:42.000I saw Andrew Sullivan speak just a couple of weeks ago, and he made this point Where he said, you know, it's been crazy.
00:11:09.000I'll take credit for being at least somewhat right in this regard, because I was saying when this was starting, I think Dave Chappelle is going to lose this one.
00:12:26.000I also want to say, I think people make a mistake in thinking that this is somehow about the audience.
00:12:32.000I mean, this is really about what's going on internally at all of these entertainment companies.
00:12:36.000A couple months back, I did a story on digital advertising and how there are all these boycotts against right-leaning media and stuff like that.
00:12:45.000I talked to an advertising exec, and he made this point explicitly.
00:12:50.000He said, it used to be when this stuff first started happening, you'd go to the company and you'd say, look, this is just a social media fracas.
00:13:37.000So I saw the criticism that there was one source that said, we estimate 1,000 people will come.
00:13:44.000The media ran it and then everyone picked the story up.
00:13:46.000But as you know, Luke, whenever you see a social media post saying, come to this event, and there are invites given out, on Facebook, when it says 1,000, we always would be like, that means 100.
00:14:58.000Michael Malice likes to say, you know, these people are so dumb.
00:15:01.000How could you possibly think we're going to lose?
00:15:03.000And I'm like, dude, zombies are dumb too, but a lot of them overwhelm the system and then people are running, at least in movies.
00:15:11.000If Dave Chappelle is saying that festivals are canceling him, and he's the king, Joe Rogan said he's possibly the funniest guy, the funniest comedian on the planet, then what does that mean for where we're headed?
00:15:22.000So what happens now is, you know what, I was actually thinking that Dave Chappelle might survive this.
00:15:26.000He might survive the cancellation to a certain degree.
00:15:29.000And then, what would happen is they would just be like, let him age out.
00:15:33.000Once he's no longer in media or relevant, we just don't let the next generation do it.
00:15:37.000So there was that guy, Shane, what's his name?
00:15:39.000The guy from SNL who was like, he got fired?
00:15:41.000Oh yeah, I don't remember his last name.
00:16:00.000They even gave him another special at, you know, 20 plus million dollars.
00:16:04.000So for a while I thought, okay, they're gonna not let any of the new guys, any new people with this kind of humor, edgy humor, get jobs, and they'll tolerate the old comedians until they're finally gone.
00:16:13.000Now it's like they're even nuking Chappelle now.
00:16:16.000You know, so I'm not... I don't want to be... I think people need to realize, if the story ended there, fine.
00:16:22.000I guess you'd call it pessimistic, but I'm not saying the story ends there.
00:16:50.000But I do think things are happening like so like Václav Havel in Czechoslovakia, you know, he wrote this famous essay where he talked about the creation of a parallel polis.
00:16:59.000Meaning that, you know, when you live in a culture that is so, you know, dominated by lies, that it's necessary for the people that don't want to live by those lies to like create up, you know, their own institutions, their own culture and live by that.
00:17:11.000Now, the crazy thing about this, what's happening is they're foisting all this stuff on us from the top down, right?
00:17:17.000But at the same time, we're not communist Czechoslovakia, you know, I mean, you know, maybe You know, it's not dark yet.
00:19:35.000Because what do I tweet about where they're going to be like, this is something I disagree with.
00:19:39.000I look at things like that, which in turn, like the Alec Baldwin thing, that's why I think culture is the most important thing.
00:19:45.000Otherwise, or I should say, what's happening is that there are people like Noam Chomsky, and we'll start talking about Noam Chomsky in a minute, who think that they own all culture, the entire country, and that they are the dominant force with supreme power.
00:20:03.000And then there are people who realize that's not true, and these people are moral absolutists and authoritarians.
00:20:09.000But I wonder, you know, if people, if any of those people will realize that they don't have the majorities they think they do.
00:20:16.000I think sometimes we might be too hard on ourselves, and I think we should celebrate some victories, especially when it comes to alternatives, whether it's this show, Rogan, and others.
00:20:25.000We have to understand, even with all the odds against us, even with the algorithms, even with the demonetizations, the down rankings, and the controlling of the algorithms, still our voices are heard, and I think that's a victory in itself.
00:20:40.000But even if they do cancel Dave at these festivals, these festivals are missing out on a real discussion that people really want to have about these issues that is honest, that isn't censored, that isn't squeezy-cleaned, that isn't people lecturing them about what they think is right.
00:20:54.000So I think these voices will always be heard in one way or another, and it's a good thing.
00:21:01.000We had a bunch of people come out, and someone asked me about Joe Rogan, and they said they felt like Joe Rogan was letting us down in terms of the culture war and standing up for freedom and stuff.
00:21:11.000You know, and I basically was like, dude, Joe Rogan has done more for freedom than, you know, almost anyone else, and he's an incredibly powerful voice in media that, you know, we're grateful to have, but...
00:21:21.000I will say, you know, I was disappointed that he performed at Madison Square Garden over the VAX mandate.
00:21:26.000He says he's against it, but here we go.
00:21:28.000And then we were actually just talking before the show about CNN with Sanjay Gupta and then Michael Malice.
00:21:34.000We were talking about how, you know, Rogan called Don Lemon a dumb mother effer.
00:21:43.000But you were mentioning to us about how he was defending CNN even.
00:21:47.000Yeah, I mean, Joe Rogan clearly has a personal relationship with Jeff Zucker who runs CNN.
00:21:52.000But before he ran CNN, he was he headed up NBC when Joe Rogan was was, you know, doing Fear Factor over there.
00:22:00.000And, you know, on one hand, I respect that, you know, Joe Rogan has a personal relationship with somebody doesn't immediately want to, like, throw them under the bus.
00:22:07.000But on the other hand, I don't know what to say.
00:22:10.000I mean, he was saying lots of things along the lines of, you know, well, media are important.
00:22:15.000You know, we've got to, you know, work with these, you know, people.
00:22:19.000And it was just, like, completely conflicting.
00:22:20.000Like, on one hand, they have literally just personally attacked him, slandered him on air, said things that were patently untrue about what he did.
00:22:29.000You know, I mean, the ivermectin thing was insane.
00:22:30.000I mean, the guy also took monoclonal antibodies, which is, like, the standard medical therapeutic.
00:23:10.000I think maybe 60 years ago, there was a big public interest in protecting large media
00:23:15.000organizations that were doing important corruption reporting and things like that at a time when
00:23:19.000there weren't a lot of alternatives to do media stuff.
00:23:22.000Now increasingly, you see things like the Covington Kid incident, just really capricious
00:23:28.000mean stuff coming from the media directed at people clearly for political motivations
00:23:33.000where they're using these libel laws as a sword rather than a shield.
00:23:37.000I mean, they know they can't be sued or they know it's gonna be difficult or costly to sue them.
00:23:41.000So they're just aggressively going after people in ways that are brutally unfair.
00:23:45.000You were saying before that Times v. Sullivan was kind of assuming that the media organizations were going to be ethical and maintain that.
00:23:53.000Which was always kind of a bad assumption, but it was a much better assumption 60 years ago than it is now, when clearly they just aren't.
00:23:59.000I mean, if you see what goes on, you know, in CNN or any, frankly, major news organization where the New York Times editorial staff literally says words are violence.
00:24:10.000That is not a regime that we can prop up under the color of law.
00:24:17.000Ordinary citizens and even public figures like Joe Rogan need to have an opportunity to go after these people and stop them from doing that stuff again.
00:25:22.000We also have to admit that this is their greatest weapon, but it's also their greatest weakness.
00:25:26.000Because the more disingenuous, the more they lie, the more they just make stuff up and attack Children, or grandmothers who meme at their door and try to dox them like CNN did.
00:25:37.000The more they just become more and more outrageous, the more people realize, hey, this is getting to a really sick level, and we need some alternatives here immediately.
00:25:49.000When people saw how popular it was to just say things that were patently false, and like put a little disclaimer at the bottom and be like, by the way, this is all a joke.
00:25:58.000Dangerous, you know dangerous. Yeah, I think for a long time, you know
00:26:02.000We had a healthier culture in the sense that there was kind of a cultural realm and there was a political realm and
00:26:06.000there was A little bit of overlap as there always was but by and
00:26:09.000large those things were kept separate and I you know I don't know. I mean, it's sort of the postmodern influence.
00:26:14.000I think just everything got crazy meta like Andrew Bartmart used to say, you know politics is
00:26:19.000downstream from culture and that's that's true to a large extent and
00:26:23.000And there was this kind of like meta realization across the board that that was the case.
00:26:27.000So all of a sudden, the narratives in culture literally became the quote unquote narrative, meaning that they realized they could use that to control things.
00:26:36.000So, you know, in the case of Dune or something, we can't just talk about how House Harkonnen, you know, is an interesting metaphor that might have some salience for our political situation or whatever.
00:26:47.000It immediately becomes a, you know, a method of attack for Tim simply because he didn't enjoy a movie.
00:26:54.000You know, everything is political now.
00:27:34.000The politics, the legislation, the laws are completely meaningless.
00:27:38.000Now, to a certain extent, I'm obviously being a little hyperbolic, if there's something on the books and we're like, I disagree with this law, and then they're gonna be like, yeah, well, you know, the law's the law, and you go, oh, I guess.
00:27:50.000However, over time, when culture changes, those laws become completely meaningless.
00:27:55.000And they can remain in the books, and politicians can say that you can't do that, and people do it anyway.
00:28:00.000So if that's the case, then culture is everything.
00:28:04.000And if we're not advocating for freedom and liberty and pushing back against authoritarianism, then you will live in authoritarian woke matrix.
00:28:11.000And that's where the Democrats, the people who live in these bubbles, the activists screaming at this guy, at the Dave Chappelle thing, they live in the social credit system.
00:28:22.000You can choose to live in it or you can choose to walk away.
00:28:24.000But right now we're seeing it get bigger and bigger.
00:28:26.000And Dave Chappelle has just been flunked out of the social credit system.
00:28:30.000Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth to what you just said.
00:28:33.000I mean, the whole point of the way the American political system was set up previously, it was to be a quote-unquote limited government, precisely because they expected everyone to live basically the full spectrum of their lives in the cultural sphere.
00:29:02.000The court of public opinion is so real.
00:29:05.000Now that everyone's in public, it's like the evolution of law.
00:29:10.000Obviously, if Beaumarchais, for instance, I don't know if you guys are familiar with him, he was a French revolutionary, basically aided the Americans, and was the number one French guy that helped.
00:29:19.000He should be considered one of the founding fathers.
00:29:22.000He got into legal trouble, but because he was such a celebrity, they just overlooked it, let him out.
00:29:38.000That was a court of public opinion that transpired.
00:29:42.000So the laws, they write them down on paper, but in reality, it's what the people feel and say and do that matters.
00:29:49.000Just to add another layer to this, that that is also manipulated because when you look at what's promoted, highlighted on social media, what's shown to you first, it's the ideas that they want you to believe in.
00:29:59.000So if they want to make everyone feel that everyone's outraged about this specific thing, they're only going to be showing you that on social media to the point where it actually creates that situation because everyone's going to see, this is what people are doing.
00:30:31.000And that's exactly what the mainstream media does.
00:30:33.000I mean, just a couple years ago, I remember Leno and Letterman, and the way I remember them is that they would make fun of the Democrats and the Republicans.
00:30:41.000They would talk about celebrity gossip, nonsense.
00:30:44.000They would rarely get as political as the current commentators do now, to the point where we have all these commentators saying the same thing at the same time slot with very little political difference because they're literally preaching establishment bootlicking talking points.
00:30:59.000If we see a fascist dictatorship take over, it's going to be corporate.
00:31:05.000The corporatocracy, the multinational corporations, they're the ones essentially here creating not only the ESG score that we talked about with Jack Posobiec when he was on the show.
00:31:19.000These are the people calling the shots here, and with them calling the shots, they don't just implement this, they create this idea that this is popular, this is public opinion.
00:31:30.000They shape public opinion by pretending that it is reality, when in the beginning phases it's not.
00:31:36.000Let's go with a little bit of good news, but also kind of bad news.
00:33:11.000For a long time in cable news, they differentiated themselves.
00:33:14.000Fox was a conservative network, MSNBC was a liberal network.
00:33:17.000And CNN was, they were the liberal media, but they were at least trying to like, you know, present themselves as the acceptable alternative that could be shown in airports.
00:33:28.000I mean, their primetime network, I mean, their primetime programming, I mean, it's not really in tone and substance different from MSNBC in terms of their political till.
00:33:36.000Don Lemon may be one of the stupidest people I have ever seen.
00:34:09.000If you want to speculate on what could have happened to a plane, a black hole swallowing it is the stupidest possible thing to even joke about because a black hole wouldn't be able to get anywhere near the planet without destroying substantially more than just one airplane.
00:34:33.000So years ago, David Foster Wallace wrote this really interesting essay about conservative talk radio for The Atlantic back in the day.
00:34:40.000Supposedly, Wallace was an interesting guy.
00:34:43.000Supposedly, he was a big Rush Limbaugh fan.
00:34:45.000I don't know if he agreed with Limbaugh's politics, but like, he just liked listening to radio.
00:34:49.000And he made this observation in the piece where he was talking to all these talk radio people about how they would harp on the same subjects over and over again, about how they compared talk radio and the ideas and the way they talked about things to, you know, regular radio, where it's like, look, just because the morning DJ played the hit song doesn't mean that you as the evening DJ don't get to play the hit song.
00:35:53.000I think what they realized is that with the internet and the infinite, you know, field of choices, that they need to find their specific audience that will stick to them and why.
00:36:05.000It used to be that there were very few channels to watch.
00:36:07.000You know, we had four major networks or whatever, and then all of a sudden you have the cable channels.
00:36:12.000And CNN was getting massive viewership just by virtue of being 24-hour news.
00:36:16.000I mean, they were the original, you know, 24-hour news channel, so they had the ratings.
00:36:20.000People would turn it on in airports and hotels, and they worked these deals out.
00:36:23.000With the internet, people can choose to go read whatever news they want.
00:36:27.000And they can choose the news that's actually comforting to them, and they do, which is bad.
00:36:31.000So CNN realized, we better start pandering as much as possible to a certain crowd.
00:36:36.000And when Trump came out, the stuff that made him the most money was not liking Trump, so then they said, we need opinion guys who don't like Trump, so now they're MSNBC.
00:37:08.000Like, you know, the fact that they have been undermining trust on the major story that occupied a news cycle for three years turned out to be false.
00:38:22.000I get invited on Fox News a lot more than I used to.
00:38:25.000I used to be invited on periodically for specific stories.
00:38:29.000Now it just feels like the guys over at Fox will hit me up twice a month or whatever and be like, hey, do you want to come on this segment?
00:38:35.000I just did a segment the other day, and I was thinking to myself afterwards, why am I even doing this anymore?
00:38:41.000Like, they hit me up and they're like, yo, we'll send out a van.
00:39:08.000I do have a bunch of stories I'm like, I want to get to and I don't want to, I don't, I want to make sure we don't just beat a dead horse and talk about too much over and over again.
00:39:15.000So I'll be like, okay, let's, you know, try and change the subject on this, you know, so, so there is some structure to it.
00:39:20.000But for the most part, if a conversation happens, the conversation happens.
00:39:23.000You go on Fox News and they're like, some days they're like, it's going to be five minutes.
00:39:27.000And they talked to me for 10, and I'm like, what's going on?
00:39:37.000And they just cut it off after the first sentence, because they don't want you to say what you're saying, or they don't like what you're saying.
00:39:41.000And I'm just like, people don't want this.
00:39:43.000People don't want, you know, I think this is why you see the key demo ratings for these big networks are in the gutter.
00:40:04.000A lot of people, you don't get that engagement.
00:40:06.000You don't get that kind of honest, real kind of conversations that could really delve into issues that people could get to know you from, that people could interact and engage with you.
00:40:17.000Like here, I got the comment section open because your voice matters.
00:40:39.000a lot of those issues still do bring a level of sort of resources if nothing
00:40:44.000else and or you know some degree of professionalism in terms of editing
00:40:47.000nothing's that most you know online media outlets that are competing or new media outlets can't haven't quite
00:40:53.000cotton caught up to some of them have more of them will we will get to that
00:40:58.000point But I would push back and I would say that when we're talking about ethics, the mainstream media has a very lower quality than people online.
00:41:31.000One thing about Trump I will say is, I think Trump woke up Republicans specifically, and Americans more generally, to the problems of getting mixed up with the media.
00:41:40.000Trump was the first, you know, sort of large public figure that basically said, you know what, I don't have to leak this story to the New York Times.
00:41:48.000I can leak this story to Breitbart or whatever and it'll have just as much of an effect.
00:41:52.000And that was like a really threatening realization to them, the fact that he could go through alternative media and frequently did.
00:41:58.000And that was, I think, what made the media hate them a lot.
00:42:01.000But, you know, going back to what you were saying earlier, I mean, it is totally true that the way that the media has become so adversarial, and openly so politically, I tell this to ordinary people all the time, this happens, I'll talk to people, they will, because I, you know, know people out in the hinterlands, they're like, you're a journalist.
00:42:16.000Someone from the Chicago Tribune or New York Times called me and they wanted to talk about this thing that's happening in my business.
00:42:21.000And I'm like, 95% of the time, I'm like, absolutely not.
00:43:19.000And the guy said, I'm one of the partners.
00:43:21.000And I said, I saw a story where there's a statement from one of your, you know, principals that you were spending $200 a week more on mayonnaise.
00:43:55.000And I'm like, okay, so if you're hitting near capacity or half capacity, everybody gets a side of mayo or coleslaw or something on their sandwich.
00:44:05.000But they just made up a response, accused this guy of lying.
00:44:09.000And that's why, you know, like the guy, I ended up getting a call back from someone else there who was just like, I can't believe this is happening.
00:44:28.000I'm concerned, even just YouTubers, because if someone does an edited show, like I'm already ridiculous on an unedited live show.
00:44:37.000If someone wants to take me out of context, they could destroy the way I seem.
00:44:41.000So even like legit YouTube channels that edit their stuff, warning signs go off when they ask me.
00:44:48.000So as someone who's a 20 plus year veteran of, you know, major news organizations, this is something I will say that has been a huge shift in the last five or 10 years with this milkshake ducking thing that did not used to happen.
00:45:01.000And now all of a sudden, if a private citizen finds themselves in the crosshairs of a national political story and it cuts against what the media wants, they will destroy them.
00:45:09.000Do you want to explain the milkshake duck thing?
00:45:11.000So, um, I don't even remember the actual origins of the meme.
00:45:15.000Somebody would have to, like, look that up for me, but, but basically it's like internet speak for, you know, taking, you know, going through a person's like social media history and trying to find, you know, something to, um, discredit them, um, when they become a matter, when they, when they become the center of public.
00:45:32.000The original meme was something to do with like a guy who created a comic or something that everyone loved trying to be a Nazi or something like that.
00:45:38.000But but there was that remember the classic example, I think was who's that guy like asked a question in a debate that was wearing a sweater.
00:45:46.000Yeah, everyone was so enamored with him or whatever.
00:45:48.000And then like, two days later, you know, everyone's like, digging up the fact that he had said some, you know, off color thing on Reddit once upon a time.
00:45:55.000This is a the milkshake duck is from Ben Ward.
00:46:43.000So I see these things in media, and I think one of the things about it... There are a lot of people who tell me I'm crazy for bringing it up, but now it's starting to change.
00:47:05.000Back in the day, when I used to talk about Civil War, people would be like, you're nuts, it'll never happen.
00:47:10.000Now I have people being like, so you've been talking about Civil War, like I did Russell Brand's podcast, and he's like, yeah, you said Civil War, and then I go through all the details.
00:47:17.000We had a shooting in Pacific Northwest.
00:47:38.000When you talk about folks having the freedom to, you know, separate if they don't want to abide by these vaccine mandates, What would that look like on a practical level?
00:47:48.000Does that mean that folks need to stay home and have groceries delivered to them?
00:47:55.000Does it mean separated communities of folks who are unvaccinated?
00:47:59.000How do you think this would practically play out?
00:48:02.000Same way as with people who say that I don't want to accept traffic rules.
00:48:46.000Of course, if they really become destitute, then yes, you have to move in with some measure to secure their survival, just as you do with people in jail, for example.
00:49:07.000And this had to be probably the most infuriating thing I've ever heard, but at least Noam Chomsky has become senile enough to admit what they want to do.
00:50:22.000And from that ruling we got, I think it was the Beck ruling in 1927, where they ended up sterilizing 70,000 women because they used the justification of government-mandated medical procedures to sterilize people the state deemed imbeciles.
00:50:36.000So when you see Noam Chomsky say, segregate these people from society, and if they want food, that's their problem.
00:50:42.000I hope you're paying attention to what prominent leftist figures are saying they want to do to your kids.
00:50:47.000Then don't come to me and say, but Tim, I can't stand up for my rights.
00:50:53.000When you don't, Noam Chomsky's gonna come and take it away.
00:50:56.000And it's not just Chomsky, it's not just commentators, it's world leaders, like the Prime Minister of New Zealand that was asked directly, are you creating a two-class society of people who are vaxxed and unvaxxed with special privileges for the ones that are vaxxed?
00:51:20.000So plagues have been a major thing in human history.
00:51:22.000And there actually is this like extensive legal tradition of the state having extraordinary powers in the time of plague to do all kinds of things for quarantines and all this other stuff.
00:51:32.000But that was back again when you're talking about smallpox pre vaccine that like, you know, people were like dying in the streets with open sores and like was incredibly contagious that was, you know, killing, you know, three quarters of entire towns, like the survivability rate of COVID is, you know, Extremely high, and they're treating this like it's, you know, again, smallpox pre-vaccine.
00:51:55.000I mean, it never has justified these kinds of draconian measures.
00:51:59.000Well, Ian brought up a really good point recently when he asked us about, you know, where the line is in terms of vaccine mandates.
00:52:06.000And I was like, I don't think what we're seeing warrants the kind of mandates they're doing.
00:52:10.000And then Ian was like, OK, so but if it's Ebola, then their rights be damned.
00:52:17.000It's aerosolized and people's insides are liquefying and they're dying.
00:52:21.000And then I was just like, you know, I think about it and I'm still like, then you should isolate yourself from everyone else if you don't want to take those risks.
00:52:31.000Which brings me back to the original ruling that the left tries to cite.
00:52:35.000And I want to say, I'll say two things.
00:52:36.000One, they said if you don't get the vaccine, it is a $5 fine.
00:52:41.000Just like if you blow a red light, they say it is a $50 ticket.
00:52:45.000$5 back then was about $150 now, as I stated.
00:52:48.000So for Noam Chomsky to say the same thing that happens.
00:52:51.000The other thing they bring up is schools.
00:55:00.000So if you think you're going to isolate these people from society, and then you will be trying to be the nice person to figure out how to feed them, you're sorely mistaken.
00:55:08.000You'll isolate the people who bring the food to your city, and then they'll give you the finger and you'll say, but wait, I'm hungry.
00:55:15.000He's calling for people to be relocated outside of society, outside of their homes, put into special facilities where they are concentrated.
00:55:24.000We would ensure their survivability much like jail.
00:55:27.000Australia is already building camps for 2020 and 2022.
00:55:32.000Building even more on top of that so this is not even in ... the realm of conspiracies this is not only just being ... talked about by Chomsky this is being activated in parts of ... the world right now where they have camps for people who ... don't comply the CDC director just came out today and said.
00:55:48.000If you're using the word re-educate unironically, I mean, you're the bad person here.
00:55:53.000provide counseling for them. She said specifically quote there's a plan should
00:55:58.000these people not want to be vaxxed. What's the plan? What's the exact details?
00:56:03.000She didn't really get into all that. If you're using the word re-educate unironically I mean you you
00:56:07.000you're the bad person. You see that New Zealand Prime Minister lady? Yeah I saw that.
00:56:12.000When she was asked by a reporter, are you going to be creating two classes of people?
00:56:48.000You know, I'm just so astounded that we as a species can make so many movies, books, shorts about apocalyptic futures and nightmare dystopias, and right now we're living in one, and people are like, this is fine.
00:57:04.000Seeing that story about Noam Chomsky, and then seeing people, high-profile blue checkmarks, agreeing with him.
00:57:10.000You realize who the Nazis would have been.
00:57:13.000Well, there's also something here which is just that our culture is so empty and devoid of meaning here.
00:57:20.000Now, look, I'm just speaking as a Christian.
00:57:22.000I live for things other than what my government does on a day-to-day business, on a day-to-day
00:57:52.000So for me, when they say things like, you have to live in a cubicle, lockdown, you can't go outside, people would rather not live, but be alive.
00:59:02.000Why are we so good at predicting all of this, but so terrible at reacting to any of it?
00:59:06.000And why do people cheer on the people fighting against the big tyrannical governments and corporatists, but yet, in the real world, they're cheering them on?
00:59:14.000Like Julian Assange, but then Trump was like, I don't know who Julian Assange is.
00:59:18.000This is my favorite point to make about the original Star Wars, A New Hope.
00:59:22.000I always ask people like, are you a fan of Star Wars?
00:59:28.000You think a story about a bunch of religious zealots who come from a desert, take a cargo plane and blow up a military base is a cool story?
00:59:35.000I mean, I guess, but I was also raised Mormon.
00:59:41.000So my former colleague Jonathan Last is the guy that wrote the famous essay about how the Empire were actually the good guys, right?
00:59:49.000That got a lot of traction back in the day.
00:59:51.000Yeah, I mean, I totally see where you're coming from with that.
00:59:54.000I'd love to do a series of short films, villains as the good guys.
00:59:58.000So we could do a ton of different movies and do like a five-minute short film where it just breaks down, does like a quick, you know, overview of the bad guy's actually the good guy.
01:00:05.000Darth is like, I tried for so long on you, Luke.
01:00:39.000Well, Mark asked the question why we're so good at like coming up with these stories, but we're so bad at reacting to them.
01:00:45.000And I think that is because people who create art have a much deeper understanding of human nature than the people who make our policies.
01:00:51.000Because looking at the way Democrats are trying to handle this pandemic, they're assuming that people are going to go along with them if they force them to do it.
01:01:11.000And the day before that, the Kyrie Irving protest outside of the Barclays Center where they stormed in to try to get into the Barclays Center.
01:01:18.000And they pretty much had a lot of people out there all chanting, let Kyrie play.
01:01:25.000I'm glad the fight in this country isn't dead, but having said that, I don't know, maybe this is my age and stature talking, as it were, but I have a feeling that even 25 years ago, so much of what we're seeing would have been a non-starter.
01:01:39.000And not just because of the technological stuff that enables this, but simply because the cultural attitudes were so much stronger in terms of And people were stronger, healthier, happier, and had more families.
01:02:13.000in the 90s? Yeah, they showed like a news reporter sitting on a tank driving
01:02:16.000through the desert, but they didn't show like kids getting mowed down in their
01:02:19.000houses and stuff as the soldiers were kicking the doors in and white
01:02:22.000phosphorus. There was an age of muckraking journalism that did make a
01:02:26.000big impact, but it's hard to kind of weigh these things.
01:02:29.000It's hard to really assess them by not living through them and only having the reports from what happened of the reports, not the actual events.
01:02:39.000So it's hard to say exactly what was the lynch point, if it was the media, if not.
01:02:44.000And I think it's impossible to answer those questions.
01:04:02.000And so these guys were like true punk rock underdogs.
01:04:06.000They weren't really going to go anywhere.
01:04:07.000And then all of a sudden it was mainstream.
01:04:09.000I'm watching this music video for Gotta Get Away, which was I think it was their third single off of Smash, which is, as you mentioned, the biggest independent release of all time.
01:04:18.000And I see these like young people moshing and you know, just raging out and like this teenage angst from Gen X and
01:04:27.000now Gen X have become such like pro establishment shills rage on behalf of the machine.
01:04:33.000They're just totally in favor of the machine.
01:04:35.000Bad religion totally in favor of the machine.
01:04:37.000Tom Morello is doing a newsletter for the New York Times right now.
01:05:37.000So it's almost like these guys are anti-establishment up until someone slides the money under their door.
01:05:42.000And then all of a sudden they're willing to pholate the state.
01:05:45.000So I'm kind of a music journalist and I could go off forever on the whole, you know, alternative indie thing and like what happened specifically there.
01:05:52.000But just to go back to sort of the broader cultural thing, there's this humorist named Joe Quinan and he wrote this book that's basically a Jeremiad against the Baby Boomers, of which he is one.
01:06:03.000And there's this great line in there about the baby boomers.
01:06:05.000He says, they were not the first generation to sell out, but they were the first generation to sell out and then insist they hadn't.
01:06:12.000And I think that's largely true of like every successive generation since then.
01:06:17.000I think the ones that have been subject to this onslaught of popular culture and mass media It's amazing.
01:06:23.000It's amazing to me listening to a couple of the songs the Offspring put out.
01:06:26.000pressure and be kind of like a true sort of like American, you know, you rugged individualist
01:06:46.000Then they had the song, I can't remember which album this was, I don't think it was, it might have been a Conspiracy One, I'm not sure, Hit That, which is about hookup culture and how our country's basically in trouble because people are just going around partying and hooking up and not caring about having kids and a family.
01:06:59.000And I'm like, talk about a conservative punk rock band.
01:07:02.000But now where they're at, it's like, you put the money in their hands, rage against the machine quickly, rage is on behalf of that machine in two seconds.
01:07:09.000Well, the Rage Against the Machine, though, let's be clear, that always pissed me off, right?
01:07:15.000Their first record came out on, like, Sony in Columbia, and they're all talking about, like, marks in the liner notes and all of that.
01:07:21.000They were never raging against the machine.
01:07:25.000At the 2016 Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Prophets of Rage were doing one of their, which was Tom Merrill's side project with Chuck D. They were doing some appearance at some protest or whatever.
01:07:39.000And I literally, like, leaped over the bushes and, like, tracked down Tom Morello.
01:07:42.000And I asked him, finally, after, like, 20 years, I said, does the irony of getting, you know, large crowds to shout, F you, I won't do what you tell me, you know, in unison over and over again, did that ever, like, occur to you?
01:07:58.000And literally, he said something, like, to me, like, he had never even thought of it.
01:08:02.000And like that's the issue in a nutshell like these people think they're rebelling when they're not they're literally doing the opposite They're literally encouraging people to march in lockstep and somehow telling themselves that they're anti-establishment at the same time That cognitive dissonance is killing us.
01:08:20.000And I think we were at that protest 2016 at the Cleveland was the DNC or RNC and R&C.
01:08:26.000At least I remember talking to Chuck D there specifically about relating issues, but you made a very good point.
01:08:33.000You know, there's nothing better that could be ever promoted is for individualism, people to think for themselves and to just be critical thinkers.
01:08:42.000And a lot of these people are like, cheer for me, clap for me.
01:08:45.000And you just got to love multimillion dollar communists.
01:08:48.000You don't have to be smart to be a musician.
01:08:50.000That was one thing in high school was like, if you're not smart, be a musician, pretty much.
01:08:54.000I was at VidCon a few years ago, the big YouTube convention, and I saw some little kids.
01:09:00.000And as I'm walking past, one kid goes, he's got to be like 10 years old.
01:09:51.000It's just a good song, whether or not you like the message.
01:09:54.000Then they had Ignition come out, and they weren't selling.
01:09:57.000They were nobodies, the music wasn't popular.
01:09:58.000Imagine, you know, just like writing music you know, people, it's not mainstream, and then all of a sudden it becomes mainstream.
01:10:05.000That right there is where I'm like, wow, that's the coolest thing ever.
01:10:09.000And then to see how they instantly became just corporate machine.
01:10:12.000I'm just like, wow, that like just guts the whole idea.
01:10:16.000You know, all of a sudden they're like, Hey, we made it.
01:10:17.000We got to preserve this power we've made and not be true to ourselves.
01:10:21.000Yeah, well, what happened in the early 90s there was a real anomaly culturally, and I think that's what made it so impactful, though, in the sense that there was this very much a DIY corporate suspicion culture in, you know, Gen X. You know, punk rock was all about rebelling against that in an actually sincere way, you know, and there were people like Ian McKay and other things like that that were actually committed to that.
01:10:47.000You know, and I remember when Sonic Youth signed to Geffen, there was like a lot of hand wringing among people like, you know, is this a thing that they are allowed to do because they're such beacons of integrity?
01:10:57.000And of course, Sonic Youth were like, yeah, we need health insurance.
01:11:01.000You know, we're like old and have a family now.
01:11:03.000And like, you could be like somewhat sympathetic to that.
01:11:05.000But it was also true that the music industry was a victim of itself in terms of they had You know, and I think they're sort of parallels to like what's going on today in a lot of ways where they had like force-fed so much of the same crap to people.
01:11:18.000Like when I was growing up in the late 80s and you turn on the radio, you had two choices, Led Zeppelin or Whitney Houston.
01:11:26.000And for people were desperate for some other thing.
01:11:29.000And then when like Nirvana and some of these other things started to like really break through, the music industry didn't know what to do with themselves.
01:11:35.000They were just throwing money at bands, hoping that something would stick.
01:11:39.000And as a result, what happened was is you got all of these, you know, bands that, you know, never in a million years, like who on earth would sign Dinosaur Jr.
01:11:51.000But, you know, the fact that a band like Dinosaur Jr.
01:11:53.000actually got, you know, $250,000 to record an album meant that they were able to do something great they never would have been able to do.
01:11:59.000So it was actually that marriage of sort of corporate, you know, money combined with what that allowed them to do in terms of Well, at least back in the day before you had plug-ins and laptops and recording technology.
01:12:12.000Sorry, I'm going off on a tangent here.
01:12:14.000You know, you'd actually matter whether you got into an expensive studio with trained recording engineers and things like that.
01:12:19.000So, it was actually a confluence of establishment and the underground that actually made things good.
01:12:28.000And that was, I think, for a long time, kind of a strength where there were aspects of American culture where, you know, sort of the trained, well-resourced establishment would meet up with originality.
01:13:03.000The issue, I suppose, is when the left started to... There's a lot of things that happened in
01:13:08.000the culture war that resulted in the left becoming morally authoritarian. But because
01:13:14.000we've always kind of been a culture of, hey, racism is bad, sexism is bad,
01:13:18.000we should respect each other, respect civil liberties.
01:13:21.000When the moral authoritarians adopted those stances, advertisers just went, look, nobody wants to be a racist, so we'll just put money behind whatever they say, and we'll not put money behind anything they complain about.
01:14:44.000I think the left is shutting down their own industry by being scared to take risks and actually challenge I think the battle on being thing makes me very nervous.
01:14:53.000When, when you, they'll do stories, for instance, like just ridiculous, ridiculous, like Joe Biden makes, declares it illegal to be a man.
01:15:19.000I think it's just making fun of the absolute ridiculousness of our current society.
01:15:24.000One of the things that I just retweeted from the Babylon Bee is their latest headline saying, quote, Fauci hopes his experiments on puppies will distract everyone from experiments he performed on humanity for the past 18 months.
01:15:36.000So it's social commentary to the highest level of using comedy as a way to make people laugh at the absurdity of reality.
01:15:46.000And, you know, there are some people bowing down, there are some people giving up, but there still is a need, a hunger, for those real, honest, real discussions.
01:15:55.000And very interestingly, Netflix just launched a new show called Inside Job, and it was number one trending, and I just watched one episode of it, and my jaw dropped to the floor.
01:16:07.000I mean, they brought up issues that we would say here, automatically cut.
01:16:11.000And they brought up all the conspiracies that ever ... existed in a brilliant funny way from Bilderberg and even ... deeper level stuff that you wouldn't even imagine so ... they're just released a very spicy cartoon show that that ... goes into how corporations are controlling the world.
01:16:30.000I still haven't made up my mind on it.
01:16:35.000I still haven't watched all the episodes.
01:16:36.000I'm in the process of watching it, but for them to release that on the backdrop of Chappelle might be sending a message.
01:16:42.000I might be reading into too much of it.
01:16:45.000There's a lot of things I'm critical of Netflix about.
01:16:47.000But I think there's a reason this show and other shows are doing so well and have such a loving, caring audience that are even here when they're not even prompted to be here, unlike CNN.
01:18:42.000Well, let's talk about this arrest Fauci thing because I don't know if Fauci should be arrested over this.
01:18:49.000There's a story going around where it shows two dogs, they're beagles, and their heads are secured in a box full of infected sand flies and the dogs had their vocal cords slit so they couldn't bark or whimper as their faces were devoured by ravenous insects.
01:19:04.000Now, a lot of people are saying you should be arrested for it, and I think there's a couple things that are good here.
01:19:10.000People are starting to wake up to the kind of research being done for their benefit, for their privileges.
01:19:15.000A lot of this research is unnecessary and insane, and people are asking, like, why would you do that?
01:19:19.000We know the flies would devour the face of the dog and put it in agony.
01:19:24.000But I think a lot of people need to realize the benefits, the wonderful technology, the medicines you have, it's because we experiment on animals, sometimes dogs.
01:19:33.000Yeah, and actually specifically with sandflies.
01:19:35.000I don't know exactly what they were researching with sandflies, but with sandflies, they're major carriers of parasitic diseases, which are one of the few things that we really have terrible treatments for.
01:19:44.000Like there's this disease called Leishmaniasis.
01:19:46.000It's very prominent in Central and South America that does like Horrible things to people like it literally like rots your face from the inside out And because it primarily affects poor people in these areas It's only government testing that there's really an incentive to find any sort of cure because the pharmaceutical companies aren't in it because there's no you know financial incentive for it, so
01:20:07.000Yeah, I mean, actually, I don't know exactly what they were doing with the sandflies, but I can see where doing, you know, research on parasitic diseases for all the havoc it wreaks, you know, testing on dogs might be necessary.
01:20:16.000A good friend of mine from high school is a, is a, is a biology professor at UT Austin.
01:20:25.000And, you know, he talked all about biology.
01:21:01.000Well if it's what you said it was there at least should be a debate but we shouldn't be giving him the benefit of the doubt because he doesn't deserve any of it because he's been lying through his teeth about so many things and at least we deserve answers to really find out what was the true cause and the true reason of these studies.
01:21:16.000I mean there's there's even reports of Fauci funded experiments that literally were used to destroy portions of monkeys brain that would magnify terror so they could scare the crap out of them and study fear.
01:21:29.000So there's there's so many different... I wonder why there would be Yes.
01:21:31.000What are they trying to learn about primate fear?
01:21:34.000And again, apes are 97% identical to human DNA.
01:21:41.000There's a lot of weird stuff happening, and there should be a lot more transparency, a lot more accountability, because we have to understand, there's some beauty products that are tested in absolutely cruel and inhumane ways.
01:22:36.000We don't have a smoking gun here, but I'm not willing to exclude that out of our current reality with the way that he's been treating humanity.
01:22:42.000But it is insane that we, you know, we've got, he's gotten far more attention for the testing on dogs than the lie to Congress about funding research at the Wuhan facility that likely caused the pandemic.
01:22:53.000I took the point where the Stephanopoulos and he was denying that he ever did it, that he ever said that they were doing game, that they ever did gain a function.
01:23:00.000And then they were like, let's play a clip from Ram Paul, where he comes at you and they give this three or four second clip of Ram Paul.
01:23:06.000And then George Stephanopoulos just lofting softballs over to him saying, and by the way, our experts confirmed you didn't do gain of Gain-of-function, right?
01:23:14.000And Fauci's like, yeah, of course, we didn't do gain-of-function.
01:23:56.000And not just that, this is connected to this larger narrative.
01:23:58.000Remember, Facebook banned all discussion of the lab leak because it was quote-unquote misinformation for a year that was all covering up this.
01:24:07.000Our culture has a rot at the core and there are corrupt people like Fauci who, let me just explain to you the level of insanity we're dealing with when Rand Paul holds up the study That says, chimeric virus creation to increase infectivity on humans.
01:24:52.000He's an actual trained medical doctor.
01:24:54.000And then the left goes, he's an ophthalmologist who hasn't practiced in years.
01:24:58.000Dr. Fauci is an infectious disease expert.
01:25:02.000Who hasn't practiced in three decades!
01:25:05.000Rand Paul literally volunteers his time and goes down to places like Haiti and gives free surgeries to people who can't afford it.
01:25:12.000So he's been practicing medicine on and off, yes.
01:25:15.000But at the same time, the mainstream media vilified him, attacked him every step of the way, because he correctly now called out Dr. Fauci, which the NIH, Fauci's own organization that he was running, called him out on.
01:25:30.000Yes, and the untrained media do such a great job of presenting medical information to us, too.
01:25:35.000You know, they're certainly in the catbird seat when it comes to criticizing Rand Paul.
01:25:47.000And it's just like, it was a slow news day, they looked up a journal, they said, here's a study that says one thing, the next day, smelling coffee could cause cancer.
01:25:59.000I remember when the news of the NIH letter came out and broke.
01:26:11.000They were talking about how great it is that kids are going to be vaccinated from ages 5 to 11 and up.
01:26:18.000And meanwhile, there needs to be a debate.
01:26:20.000There was a Yale epidemiologist who was very important with early COVID treatment who just came out recently and said that he would pull his child out of public school if they have public vaccine mandates in that particular school.
01:26:38.000Yale epidemiologist Dr. Henry Risch came out and he put out a very important statement saying, if it comes to it, I will homeschool my child rather than put him in a public school where he has to take a vaccine.
01:26:53.000And he was critically important for early COVID-19 treatment.
01:27:03.000I wish there was a conversation between him and Dr. Fauci who's telling people that it's going to be great, that all children are going to be vaccinated soon.
01:27:11.000Dr. Fauci works in an office with a picture of himself.
01:28:03.000And look, I'm not speculating whether or not Biden has dementia per se, but the point is, is that if this were Trump or any Republican or anyone that the media didn't like, if this were Bernie Sanders, this would be, you know, a week's worth of news cycles about whether or not that he has dementia.
01:28:19.000I feel that screaming the truth at someone that doesn't want to hear it is fruitless.
01:28:25.000It may have some impact, but it's such a diminishing return.
01:28:28.000It's like wind resistance, terminal velocity.
01:28:40.000Walk into it and be like, hey, I figured out that Biden is losing his, you know, whatever, his mental capacity, if that's what's happening.
01:28:48.000But to tell them that just doesn't seem, they don't seem to, it doesn't seem to... Yeah, clenched hands is a symptom of Alzheimer's.
01:29:11.000Well, what I was going to say was that to Ian's point, he was talking about how you can't convince someone to change their mind by giving them new information because you're just contradicting them.
01:29:18.000This is something Scott Adams talks about a lot.
01:29:20.000And in general, I would recommend being incredibly compassionate, even when it's really hard.
01:29:25.000Because what is that quote that people won't care what you told them, they'll only care how you made them feel at the end of the day?
01:30:58.000You know, you find something and then no matter what they say, you say something to compliment it and show that you share a positive emotion.
01:31:45.000If, if, if it was a dangerous disease that I could understand, like, it was like, I, I just felt and got what he was saying, even though it wasn't what I agreed with.
01:31:54.000And then immediately started telling him what I thought.
01:31:57.000That's the way to get through to people.
01:31:59.000I was a little vague about what transpired just now on purpose.
01:32:01.000The unfortunate reality for me was when I was working at these non-profits is that there's a very easy, formulaic way to get people to change their opinions that works every time.
01:32:09.000And if you're willing to do that, you'll win.
01:32:11.000And if you're not willing to do that, then you're in trouble.
01:32:14.000So being blunt with people I feel like is the right thing to do, but the right thing isn't always the effective thing.
01:32:19.000And so, like you mentioned, it's actually one step beyond that.
01:32:24.000It's actively lying to manipulate that gets you the most successful outcome.
01:33:23.000I had I knew someone I met someone at Columbia who said that they used Pavlovian reinforcement to get their roommate to do chores for them by offering them candies that they really liked whenever they would do something.
01:33:41.000And then when they wanted the dishes done, they would pull out the candies and then be like, oh, would you mind doing the dishes?
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01:34:56.000I understand why they're framing it like that, because if it said Alec Baldwin shot and killed someone on set, people would assume it was his gun in the media.
01:36:41.000So, Nick Cerci and Adam Baldwin are two of the more open right-wingers in Hollywood.
01:36:48.000But both guys with sort of distinguished careers in Hollywood and handle a lot of guns on sets.
01:36:52.000And they both came out and said, you were given very specific instructions about pointing the gun.
01:36:57.000It is your obligation when they hand you the gun to double check that it's not loaded.
01:37:01.000Like all of these things, whatever you want to say about negligence that happened before the gun got in his hands, there's no doubt that Baldwin himself was not negligent for not checking to see that apparently there was a live round in the gun.
01:37:12.000Somebody tweeted at me, so you're saying that anytime someone wants to drive a movie on set, they got to check the oil, check the gas, check the brakes.
01:37:19.000And I was like, No, I'm saying that anytime someone's doing a scene where they're going to slam the gas full speed towards the crew, they should check the brakes and the safety harness and the emergency handbrake and make sure they've gone through the stunt coordinator because you're risking people's lives.
01:38:02.000And if they're going to be using blanks, they show the blank, have the actor inspect it, place the blank in and say, we have placed a blank inside this gun.
01:38:09.000If you point this at someone in close enough range, you can kill them.
01:38:13.000They should be given the full spiel every time.
01:38:16.000Never make assumptions that people know how to handle these things.
01:38:18.000At least two people should check the gun.
01:38:25.000Check the chamber, check someone else, check it, and then I check it, and then I make sure to put it away, and then it's safe.
01:38:29.000When we're leaving the range, I'll take my weapon, and I'll clear it, lock the hammer back, and then I'll hand it to the next person to inspect.
01:38:37.000I was just watching a gun show on YouTube with a bunch of ex-Special Forces guys, and they did the same thing, where they were talking about a particular gun, and they passed the gun around before they even discussed it, so that each one could verify there was no round in the chamber, and it was empty before they even brought it up, picked it up.
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01:39:28.000Alessio DeMonte says Yahoo News just released that the assistant director that gave Baldwin the gun was previously fired due to another gun incident.
01:39:36.000Looks like they are already starting a story to help Baldwin.
01:39:39.000Or the guy did, and that's what happened.
01:39:40.000I don't believe any piece of news that I hear at face value.
01:39:43.000What if, like, the true story was that Baldwin is part of this Grand Democrat conspiracy and they were like, we need to take out this wife of this lawyer, and then he was like, I'll do it.
01:41:12.000No, I will say that there's definitely a lot of, like, random things in DC where, like, so-and-so who's a person of some import was standing in their driveway and this person came up and something happened.
01:43:40.000I was like, this is too good not to share.
01:43:42.000Eric Benjamin Hamilton says, after creating a short film featuring Yuri Bezmenov for YouTube, I instantly got a few comments calling me a fascist.
01:43:48.000Makes it clear that to communists, anything different from them is fascist, as is with the anti-fascist rampart, the Berlin Wall.
01:43:55.000So can we talk about fascism just for a second?
01:43:57.000Like the actual like poli sci textbook version of fascism is the merging of state and corporate power.
01:44:04.000That was Mussolini's own definition of it.
01:44:07.000And if you look at like what's happening, for instance, with like social media and regulation and things like that, I mean, like these are kind of inherently like fascist arrangements.
01:44:15.000We're seeing a lot of like Fascism in mainstream America in terms of this sort of thing.
01:44:20.000And it's just really weird to me that fascism has come to mean basically, you know, anything that the left doesn't like.
01:44:53.000Alright, so here's the first complaint that someone said to me after we left, was like, wait a minute, that whole scene where he's talking to Idaho and he's like, I wanna go with you, and he's like, you can't.
01:45:02.000And then he has another scene where he's like, Dad, I want to go, and you can't.
01:45:05.000And then he goes anyway, and it's kind of glossed over.
01:45:08.000Like, what was the point of that scene?
01:45:10.000Why, you know, so here was my experience.
01:45:36.000And I'm like, people keep saying, you just can't handle it because they're trying to cram too much in at once.
01:45:41.000And I'm like, they didn't cram anything in.
01:45:43.000We were confused halfway through as to what was going on, and it's because it was so slow and drawn out that it was just like, look, if you want to see part one of an art film, I got no problem with that, I just don't like it.
01:45:56.000And so I'll complain about it and not want to see it, just like I thought, you know, uh, uh, Captain Marvel was bad.
01:46:01.000But there are a ton of movies that don't have action that I think are fantastic.
01:46:04.000People are like, their immediate response is like, Tim just wants action movies like superheroes, and I'm like, that's not true.
01:46:09.000I didn't see it, but if you're gonna do Dune, you gotta give the main guy his power within 20 minutes and then get him off the planet within 20 minutes, 25 minutes, and then make it pure action from there.
01:46:17.000I mean, that's... I watched a really great video, it broke down why Guardians of the Galaxy people rated highly and why Suicide Squad was rated poorly, and they talk about time.
01:46:28.000And they were like, Suicide Squad tried using flashbacks to introduce plot lines and characters, and it was really confusing for the audience and boring.
01:46:38.000And so you don't actually get the actual story you're trying to understand until you're an hour in.
01:46:43.000Whereas Guardians of the Galaxy introduces it immediately in the intro, you know, Star-Lord's getting the... and I'm using a Marvel film.
01:46:50.000I'm trying to use a YouTube example of like a breakdown between what works and what doesn't.
01:46:54.000But I think the issue I had with Dune was that they're trying to make more than one movie.
01:47:00.000If they just made it one movie... Simple action.
01:47:03.000Yeah, Andreas pointed out, you have the giant sandworm in the beginning trying to destroy a fleeing ship.
01:47:09.000I mean, that's the biggest part of the whole series is the worms, the sandworms.
01:47:13.000I read, I was reading online that they were like, the problem with the movie adaptations, the original and this one, is that they're trying to make a book, which works, into a movie that doesn't.
01:47:22.000Someone commented on Reddit, they were like, it should have opened with Sandworm, so you understood the dune, the importance of the spice.
01:47:30.000Instead it was a very slow beginning that was kind of confusing, and the voice, and you know, it's like...
01:47:35.000I haven't seen the movie, but the book and the whole lore and everything that goes into the series of Dune books are known for being complex.
01:47:43.000I mean, and that's what people enjoy about the books.
01:47:46.000And I can totally see where that doesn't translate easily.
01:47:50.000It certainly didn't translate easily for David Lynch.
01:47:52.000No, his inner monologue stuff was terrible.
01:48:15.000But, you know, the way it was explained to me was, imagine Star... This is what someone said.
01:48:21.000If you like Star Wars, A New Hope, and you want to watch a two hour and 40 minute movie that's just Luke in the desert, and it ends with him finally meeting Han Solo, that's due in the movie.
01:50:48.000He says, Pretty sure I've never heard someone's doctor say, Due to your allergies and other medical issues, you shouldn't stop at red lights.
01:50:53.000I'm also pretty sure any spiritual belief that has something against red lights wouldn't be driving.
01:51:03.000Roberto Lara says the reason Luke was on fire.
01:51:05.000Somewhere in Texas, Alex Jones looked up at the night sky, smiled, raised his finger, and shot a bolt of freedom lightning, and yelled, let the frogs be frogs.
01:51:16.000I didn't think it was relevant to the story, but before we walked in the building, Luke did get struck by a powerful blast of green lightning.
01:52:02.000Scott Groh says, I wonder what people would think if they knew that Paul Atreides goes on to kill entire planetary populations to rid the galaxy of resistance to his rule as the new emperor.
01:56:12.000But as I seem to recall, and maybe I'm misremembering this, but when I mentioned that early 1970s Dune attempt with Salvador Dali, I think Pink Floyd might also have been involved in that at one point or something.
01:57:44.000So it's not like there's not this final excitement point that you're looking at, but man, is it fun to feel good or all the things that you can do that are exciting when you're healthy.
01:57:54.000Alright, SlickBlackCadillac says, Tim, the scene calling for Baldwin to point the revolver at the camera means the gun must appear loaded to moviegoers.
01:58:01.000I believe this fact is pivotal to the chain of events.
01:58:07.000Well, when it comes to pointing a gun at the camera, wouldn't that require a very specific set of safety protocols to point a gun at a camera that appears loaded?
01:58:16.000I would like to not see, I would see the cinematographer not standing behind the camera in line of fire.
01:59:39.000I mean, the schools were also shut for 18 months unnecessarily because of unions, too.
01:59:43.000But it is true that I do think that in our current situation, people need to think a lot more about collective action and conservatives need to get a lot more comfortable with it, too.
02:00:05.000Darkside66 says, everyone is asking why Alex had a loaded gun.
02:00:09.000I want to know why he was pointing any gun at the cinematographer and the director.
02:00:13.000I wonder how often that happens in movies because you get the pointing at the camera shot, which probably looks amazing on film, but how often are they standing there?
02:00:20.000I would like to know what is the rationale for ever having a live round on a movie set ever for any reason?
02:00:25.000Yeah, we, but we went over this on the show last week and like, I mean, it's, it becomes conspiratorial at that point.
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02:02:45.000And I released two videos today one on youtube.com forward slash we are change about Janet Yellen's crazy plans for you and Another one very important one on Luke uncensored comm that I can't tell you about I want to I'm Ian Crosland and I another huge shout out to the event on Saturday night at longshot in West Virginia Tim Thanks for putting it on man.
02:03:05.000Yeah, and we got some Behind-the-scenes footage, there's an episode of Cast Castle up today.
02:03:11.000Check it out on YouTube if you want to see the lead-up to it.
02:03:56.000And we could have like had a huger venue, but I think even keeping it this small, having that kind of like those kind of real small intimate conversations with individuals one-on-one was pretty important.