In this episode of the Bitcoin and Bitcoin Plus Podcast, we talk about the New Hampshire Independence Movement, Bitcoin, and the Bitcoin metaverse. We're also joined by Jeremy Kaufman, founder and CEO of the Free State Project, and board member of the Library Project.
00:00:00.000The Democrats have introduced a bill that would require proof of vaccination, a negative
00:00:22.000test or proof of recovery for domestic flights.
00:00:26.000This is already alongside the $3.5 trillion spending bill, which has VAX mandate enforcement in it.
00:00:33.000And I'll tell you this, I don't see Republicans doing anything to stop it.
00:00:37.000So it seems very likely and perhaps a bit, I don't want to say pessimistic, maybe just realistic, That this is what's going to happen.
00:00:44.000And I'm willing to bet by the time 2022 comes around, maybe the Republicans come in and they win the House.
00:00:50.000We are already going to have these laws on the books or something to this effect.
00:00:54.000It's going to be handed down by edict.
00:00:56.000And it's going to further erode this country.
00:00:59.000There's some polling data we got we'll get into in the show talking about how basically both Democrat voters and Republican voters want the other to secede from the union or basically just peaceful divorce this country.
00:01:12.000And so we'll be able to talk a bit about that.
00:01:15.000We're going to talk about New Hampshire, the independence movement, as I guess some people prefer to call it, but secession.
00:01:21.000And we're being joined by Jeremy Kaufman, founder and CEO of Library and board member of the Free State Project.
00:01:31.000So the Free State Project is the most successful libertarian movement in the world.
00:01:37.000It's the best attempt, it's the best chance that we have to actually achieve liberty in our lifetime, and I'm going to talk to you about why that's possible.
00:01:43.000And then I'm also a founder of the technology that I think is the next generation
00:02:37.000We're looking at what the Fediverse build out that we're doing with this metaverse is using Odyssey as one of, or library technology as part of like a possible server to host your content for your own, so you can kind of have access and control your own stuff.
00:03:09.000It's not possible for things to play out the same way that they've played out on the web 2.0 big tech world.
00:03:14.000And the other side of the equation is I feel like a monkey in a cage, and they're experimenting on me, and if I start screaming and banging on the glass, they're gonna ask me to step aside and step out of public view, so I'm gonna stay calm.
00:03:24.000But I do feel like that, just putting it on record.
00:03:27.000Yep, I think we should all stay calm tonight, but I'm really excited about tonight's conversation because the New Hampshire thing is big news, and seeing how many people are in favor of the other side seceding is kind of refreshing, actually, so.
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00:04:16.000Let's read this first story from TimCast.com.
00:04:20.000Senator Feinstein introduces bill to require proof of vaccine, negative test, or documentation of recovery for domestic flights.
00:04:28.000Air Travel Public Safety Act would order the Department of Health and Human Services and the Federal Aviation Administration to develop national vaccination verification standards and procedures.
00:04:38.000The text of the act says that it is necessary to reduce passenger, crew member and airport
00:04:41.000personnel risk of exposure to COVID-19, decrease the risk of transmission of COVID-19 on board
00:04:47.000aircraft in the United States and to United States destination communities through air
00:04:51.000travel and protect children and other vulnerable individuals by preventing further spread of
00:05:40.000And you write down average weight of cargo.
00:05:43.000Depending on how many people are in the plane and how much cargo, uh, how much luggage in the plane, the pilot has to behave differently and move people.
00:05:50.000Sometimes there were issues where there was like very little, uh, luggage and they're like, okay, that's going to displace the weight and put all the weight in the front.
00:05:57.000So they'd actually ask people to move, to even out that weight, things like that.
00:06:01.000So yes, people would complain because they'd be like, sir, you're overweight.
00:06:05.000You have to occupy two seats because we can't have the displacement on the plane this way.
00:07:26.000Like if people want to fly on a flight where everyone is vaccinated, let the market provide that service.
00:07:32.000If people don't give a shit, Let the market provide that service.
00:07:35.000When the government is stepping in and saying this is the way that planes have to run, that's not a choice.
00:07:40.000That's the government coming in, the gun in the room and saying you have to operate your airlines this way.
00:07:44.000You could do a roller coaster flight as long as it's safe where every so often the plane just drops a little bit and then keeps going and drops as long as it's safe and then you get the roller coaster feel on your flight, you know?
00:07:54.000Yeah, if people... Why don't they do vax and no-vax flights?
00:08:28.000There can be, there's no reason there shouldn't be a hundred thousand possible ways that you could fly.
00:08:34.000You know, like think about how many people are Uber drivers.
00:08:36.000Flying would look like Uber, much closer to Uber.
00:08:39.000Not necessarily where you're getting on your plane in 10 minutes, but it would look much closer to that where you have this vast variety of providers.
00:08:46.000It's heavily centralized in a small number of companies because the federal government made it work that way.
00:08:50.000Well, they actually are doing like Uber for planes.
00:08:52.000There's companies where it's a private plane, and then you basically say, I'm going to this place.
00:08:58.000The FAA shut some of these down, by the way.
00:10:07.000No, they do something where they're like, in this one instance where it seems reasonable, you'll agree with us, and then once you give us the ability, we'll do it for everything.
00:10:14.000So this is gonna turn into a negative test.
00:10:17.000But then it's gonna turn into a negative test for everything.
00:10:19.000Then it's gonna be like, you can't travel if you're sick in any way.
00:10:59.000And so you got all these people in the cities locked in their little cubicle apartments, losing their minds.
00:11:04.000Well, I think one aspect of this is, like, politics is about tribal dominance.
00:11:09.000And the best way to dominate someone else is when you can say, this is actually for the good of everyone.
00:11:14.000And that's why this situation has reached this kind of front.
00:11:16.000Democrats want to dominate Republicans, Republicans want to dominate Democrats and this gives the Democrats a chance to dominate the others in this way that is ostensibly pro-social But it's really about punishing people that they don't like and I will I'll say this is also why the free state movement is so important is because Libertarians need their own tribe and it's not working nationally Libertarians need their own tribe as well But right now a lot of this is it's about tribal dominance and the fact that it's about public health I think that's pretend
00:11:43.000Well, the problem with libertarianism is that people are individualist.
00:11:47.000Collectivists naturally have people who will get behind them and say, just tell me what to do and I'm down.
00:11:52.000Whereas libertarians are mostly like, don't you tell me what to do.
00:11:55.000So have you found like decentralized methods to unify individuals?
00:11:59.000Well, the free state movement is pretty decentralized.
00:12:01.000So I'll give it like a little bit of legalese here.
00:12:05.000The Free State Project, which is the organization that I'm representing, all we are is the marketing department.
00:12:37.000You can't get three libertarians in a room without them You know, fighting each other.
00:12:41.000But I think it's by far the most successful libertarian movement out there.
00:12:45.000And the nature of it is it selects for people that want to win.
00:12:47.000It doesn't select for people who want to be popular online or want to go into their D.C.
00:12:53.000crowd and be friendly with people that are their enemies or that want to dominate them.
00:12:57.000It selects for people who want to actually achieve, who actually want to win.
00:13:02.000And I don't think you're going to find a movement that's much more effective.
00:13:05.000Have you experimented with like decentralized voting for localized voting, like on apps and things like that, and finance with tokens and things like that?
00:13:13.000Of course, you'd have to actually change New Hampshire laws to get that.
00:13:18.000One thing that does exist in New Hampshire, because there's like seriously like a hundred different organizations that play these kinds of bottom up roles, and I'll give you an example of one that's related to that.
00:13:25.000There's a group called Liberty Ballot.
00:13:49.000Freestaters do the job of parsing all the candidates and saying these are the liberty ones and I go in and I just check the box for who they tell me to vote for.
00:13:56.000And so there's like so many institutions and organizations like this that are filling all these roles that make the movement successful.
00:14:51.000And so if someone else that I trust is willing to do that research and identify the candidates that share my values, you know, why not outsource it?
00:14:58.000Peer review is very powerful for anonymous social media.
00:15:03.000If you want to be anonymous online, but you have enough peers that can verify that based on what your account's doing, that that is Ian Crosland, then you can kind of trust that it's me without knowing who I am.
00:15:29.000The workers who keep global supply chains moving are warning of a system collapse.
00:15:35.000Seafarers, truck drivers, airline workers have endured quarantines, travel restrictions, and complex COVID-19 vaccination and testing requirements to keep stretched supply chains moving during the pandemic.
00:15:44.000In an open letter Wednesday to heads of state attending the United Nations General Assembly, the International Chamber of Shipping, and other industry groups warned of a global transport system collapse if governments do not restore freedom of movement to transport workers and give them priority to receive vaccines recognized by the World Health Organization.
00:16:07.000The idea that you will be able to just float in this system and things are going to go like normal, like you can walk to the grocery store and there are your strawberries, is a joke.
00:18:21.000You can say, well, we're not going to participate in these federal programs.
00:18:23.000We're not going to give you this money.
00:18:24.000We're not going to collect income tax from New Hampshire residents.
00:18:28.000And you can play this sort of game of brinksmanship where you're pushing it on them to do something.
00:18:31.000Well, the reason I ask about secession is, you know, watching what happened, what we're seeing in the economy, right?
00:18:36.000People need to understand that the M1 money stock is just skyrocketing.
00:18:40.000They opened up savings accounts so that everyone can use savings like checking.
00:18:43.000They removed the reserve requirements.
00:18:45.000Apparently, we're just finding this out from Bob Murphy, they removed reserve requirements for giving out loans, which means banks can literally just be like, here's money!
00:20:25.000I think people who are willing to be brave, who are willing to put their head on the line, I think they're awesome, and a lot of these people are my heroes, my personal heroes.
00:20:34.000But if you're saying, like, hey, I don't want to be that guy, but I still want to win, Free State Project's also a very good choice, you know, because you'll still get to be a part of it, but you don't have to be the very first guy and get your head chopped off.
00:20:45.000So let's take a look at the economy from a more libertarian perspective, I guess.
00:20:51.000Your thoughts on everything I mentioned about the banking system, what they've been doing.
00:20:55.000Obviously, Ian talks about the Fed a lot.
00:20:57.000We criticize the system, but what's your view of what's going on with this?
00:21:20.000I mean, I think there's all kinds of interesting things you can do with money beyond even Bitcoin
00:21:25.000that can't be done because of government regulation.
00:21:28.000I think David, like David Friedman, had some very interesting ideas about how to design
00:21:33.000free money that was like stable and track the price of goods going back to the 70s.
00:21:39.000Those could be done on the blockchain and there's all kinds of things that you could
00:21:43.000But there's no doubt that the system is very messed up as to what degree it collapses.
00:21:48.000I mean, I'm not an economist, so I'm not going to venture that, but I think it's clear that there is like a house of cards type situation here, and to what degree it collapses, you know, I don't know.
00:22:02.000It looks like, yes, it is collapsing, but it also looks like it's being demolished with this behavior of shutting down the entire, almost the entire economy, a large percentage of it, and mass printing of money.
00:22:22.000No, I'm seeing so many people in prominent positions that don't understand you can recollect the carbon from the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and turn it into graphene.
00:22:33.000The global warming stuff is no different than the COVID stuff, right?
00:22:36.000Like the people who push it, and I'm not trying to say like global warming is real, but like the people who push it, they're pushing it for reasons of dominating other people.
00:22:44.000And that's why the focus is so much on the communism aspects.
00:22:48.000That's why they don't care about nuclear power.
00:22:50.000That's why they don't care about removing carbon from the environment.
00:23:30.000Don't let them live the way they want to live.
00:23:33.000Convince them to live a certain way that you want them to live, because we're right.
00:23:37.000The problem is, as much as we can look at a lot of the global problems and be like, yeah, these are bad things, you know, like climate change is bad, the dead zones in the ocean, the constant droughts, whatever you want to attribute these things to, these are bad things affecting us, and we need to be better in tune with our environment.
00:23:54.000Why should we blindly trust other people who just think they're smarter or better?
00:23:59.000There was a quote we read, I forgot the guy's name, maybe you guys know, where he was like, if, you know, humans are so dumb that they need a special class to rule them, how are these individuals who claim to be better actually any better than the people they claim are too stupid to rule themselves?
00:24:14.000So what ends up happening is they say the solution isn't to pull carbon from the atmosphere.
00:24:17.000The solution is stop the chickens from taking a dump in their water or just get rid of those chickens that are taking a dump in their water.
00:25:57.000I'm saying humans are going to continue to dump in the water.
00:26:00.000We just need to figure out how to reuse the stuff.
00:26:01.000I think you need to be more specific because when Greta Thunberg comes out and looks at one of the countries with the most environmentalists and says, how dare you?
00:26:11.000and doesn't talk about China and India and these other countries that are just polluting like crazy, we're not going to solve the problem.
00:26:18.000Especially if China's 1.4 billion people, the United States and the West, who are actually environmentally conscious and the ones leading the charge against climate change, they're in decline.
00:26:28.000To be honest, if I have to be the world's custodian, I'll do it.
00:26:31.000I don't want to clean up everyone else's mess, but if that means that's what we need to do to survive, I'll do it.
00:26:36.000The problem is, Ian, you can't legislate for China.
00:26:40.000So in the United States, where we already ban plastic straws, even though we're not contributing, for the most part, to these big garbage patches, and then we go to China and these international agreements and say, you agree not to do this.
00:26:54.000Yeah, well, in a way, waste can become very profitable, because if you can break down the plastic back into sugar or into oil, you can reuse it, so it becomes a commodity.
00:27:02.000I think that's a way to spark cleanup.
00:27:05.000Are they, and I'm not a climate scientist, are they related?
00:27:11.000Like, litter and waste is not necessarily the thing that's causing Climate change, isn't climate change mostly being driven by the use of fossil fuels?
00:27:19.000Yeah, mostly methane and carbon dioxide, I think, which is mostly carbon.
00:27:24.000I think the issue with climate change is that it's a very specific claim, very narrowed down to Humans producing too much carbon, causing the climate to change, when the real thing we talk about, because we had Chris Martinson on, is just ecosystem stresses and potential collapse.
00:27:46.000But it's one facet of, we have dead zones in the Gulf of Mexico, where chemical runoff creates this patch with no oxygen in the water, so nothing lives.
00:27:56.000We have fisheries that are so overfished that jellyfish are coming in, and then the people start eating jellyfish, which is kind of gross, but I guess they do.
00:28:03.000These are the problems we face, you know, the windshield phenomenon, bug populations being decimated, colony collapse disorder, bees or pollinators are disappearing.
00:28:15.000It is, in my view, when you get eight billion people Consuming and producing tons of waste, even though we still have massive amounts of space on this planet where humans aren't, you still have a disproportionate amount of waste that isn't being absorbed by the ecosystem quickly enough.
00:28:33.000Well, it would be great if we had like a real Green New Deal, you know, in my opinion, where it was actually like, hey, we all agree to like stop spending money on dumb wars and stuff, and then decide to just hire people and do nuclear energy investment and energy research and fusion.
00:28:48.000Instead, the only thing we can get is, for one, Republicans are totally opposed to this, and it'll never happen to Republicans.
00:28:53.000And then when the Democrats finally come around, AOC is like, I propose a Green New Deal.
00:29:04.000If you're complaining about America producing too much carbon and then you're saying bring in more people into America where they will use more carbon, the left is literally just arguing to make the problem worse and there is almost no one in this country saying we should have more nuclear energy.
00:29:21.000We should have modern advancements in nuclear.
00:29:30.000Humans are a disproportionate force on this planet, and it's not going to get done through the Democrats because they're too worried about minorities not getting healthcare, I guess.
00:29:37.000It's not going to get done by either of them.
00:29:39.000And it's not going to get done by the Libertarians either.
00:29:44.000I will, to give at least a little bit of an optimistic spin, And I think a lot of the pollution stuff, where we're actually damaging ecosystems, I think that stuff's pretty bad.
00:29:52.000But in terms of climate change being this existential threat, I'm skeptical of some of that.
00:29:57.000I don't know if it's Scott Adams' rule about slow-moving disasters.
00:30:03.000I think human beings are actually very good at solving these kinds of problems, and I think that a lot of the hysteria I'm not saying that's not real, but similar to COVID, a lot of the hysteria is driven by a desire to create changes to subjugate people that the people creating the hysteria don't like.
00:31:23.000Right now we can spy on your bathroom.
00:31:24.000Here's a libertarian solution to this problem that will literally never happen like most libertarians.
00:31:30.000And it's make politicians make actual concrete predictions about the effects of their legislation.
00:31:36.000So like literally when you pass the bill, you have to say what it's going to accomplish and you have to make predictions.
00:31:41.000This is going to this is going to reduce carbon by this amount.
00:31:44.000This is going to create, you know, this specific amount of jobs or not that the government can necessarily create jobs.
00:31:50.000But the point is, like, you have to make specific predictions and then you judge, did it actually You know, I found there's two types of problems, or at least in this analogy, there's two types of problems.
00:32:01.000There's problems like you can solve them by making them not happen.
00:32:05.000That's like your son hits your daughter, smacks your daughter, and you say, no, don't do that.
00:32:33.000I think you need to actually adjust the cost.
00:32:35.000And it's much more straightforward in the case of waste, where you can track it down and attribute the blame and say, hey, whoever is dumping this stuff, you need to pay this amount of money to fix the problem.
00:32:45.000I actually think from a libertarian perspective, the hardest one is something like climate
00:32:48.000change where it's like, it's quite unclear what the externality is of me burning a fossil
00:33:41.000And obviously there would be costs to moving or adjusting things or damming things, but It's not clear that, you know, an average Earth temperature of two degrees Celsius higher is actually worse for humans than the current temperature.
00:33:55.000I think the fear that floods and things is legit.
00:33:57.000Fear of flooding fresh water into the ocean, killing life, is legit.
00:34:00.000But it doesn't mean it's going to be worse after it happens.
00:35:04.000If your goal is to get people vaccinated, then when you say pregnant people, and you talk about it, you've just set off maybe a majority of the population.
00:35:14.000Because I can't believe that many people are actually on board with pregnant people.
00:35:18.000Yeah, it's a microscopic minority, but if you're targeting the group that is the skeptical, and they also overlap with those who don't like the phrase pregnant people, it's almost like they intentionally said that just to rile people up.
00:35:38.000There's evidence that if you look into what's called iron fertilization, where you distribute iron oxide dust into the ocean, it regrows plankton, lots and lots of that's what plankton eats, and then massive fish booms.
00:35:51.000So I think we can regrow the fish population pretty There was a, I don't want to call him crazy because he might be a hero, but there was a guy who did that.
00:38:13.000What do you think would happen if New Hampshire said, yo, we out?
00:38:18.000I'm actually quite skeptical of the federal government's ability to do something strong here.
00:38:24.000At least anything strong in the sense of actually sending in troops, actually exerting force.
00:38:30.000I think if the federal government was against it, you'd much more likely see a response that's like, and I'm not saying that this wouldn't be very impactful, but attempting to shut down trade, attempting to shut down the borders outside of the state, or attempting to make things hard on people.
00:38:43.000going in and out rather than actually, I think there is zero chance, regardless of what state secedes, that there
00:39:24.000Someone was like, Ian, why are you so hard on it?
00:39:26.000Because I think it's a terrible idea to be like, we out.
00:39:29.000I am into other ways, I'll mention in a minute, but someone was like, why are you so down on it?
00:39:33.000These people that want to secede don't want to take anything.
00:39:35.000And I was like, well, they want to take land.
00:39:37.000They want the federal government's land.
00:39:39.000We'll distribute it to the population, like what happened in Afghanistan.
00:39:43.000I mean, so like the people in New Hampshire will be that much richer because we'll get to take all this federal property, distribute it amongst the citizens.
00:39:50.000I guess I feel like any kind of seizure of federal property could get violent really fast.
00:39:58.000I think the play is concentrate people, leverage nullification, and then if the federal government gets aggressive with you, Then you push secession.
00:40:55.000So it would be really interesting to see what would happen.
00:40:57.000I think if anything did happen, it would probably be this weird pseudo secession where the federal government would still operate within the borders of New Hampshire completely and totally as they normally do.
00:41:07.000I think that's the kind of thing that would lead to conflict though.
00:41:10.000Well, what would happen is, like you mentioned with the Amish, they don't pay social security tax or whatever.
00:41:15.000The people of New Hampshire would basically vote and just be like, you know, we out.
00:41:19.000The federal government would be like, I guess, we're still gonna keep using these bases in this land.
00:41:23.000And the people of New Hampshire are gonna be like, don't care, but you can't get taxes from us anymore.
00:43:01.000I think there's so much, and I'm not trying to talk down secession, but I just think there's so much more that you can do.
00:43:07.000You don't have to jump from where we are today all the way to secession.
00:43:10.000The more libertarians control the state government, they can repeal an incredible amount of state laws, they can make it very hard for the federal government to operate.
00:43:18.000And we already have a roadmap for this.
00:43:21.000And this is exactly what I was talking about with this sour grapes thing.
00:43:25.000How many states have nullified Federal marijuana laws.
00:43:29.000Does the federal government send in the... Or immigration laws.
00:43:41.000And this isn't quite as sexy as the seating tomorrow, I understand.
00:43:44.000I also want to talk about the sexier topic, but you just go piece by piece.
00:43:50.000And so rather than going for trying to eat the apple in one bite, which causes a conflict, you take one bite of the apple and then they don't come out.
00:44:11.000Well, so is there like a five-year plan?
00:44:16.000Or a better question is like, what do you think happens in five years?
00:44:19.000I think that libertarians continue to concentrate.
00:44:22.000I think we continue to have more political power.
00:44:23.000I'll talk briefly about the political power we have currently.
00:44:26.000We have 40 elected free staters to the state legislature.
00:44:30.000We have more than 100 libertarians total, and this is, they're graded by a third, this is another one of the institutions in this massive web of institutions that are creating the liberty movement.
00:44:39.000There's an institution called the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance, great institution to support, and they grade every bill on whether it's libertarian or not.
00:44:47.000And then they grade every representative in terms of did they vote the libertarian way.
00:44:52.000So we have grades going back 15 years on, maybe longer, on every politician and were they libertarian.
00:44:57.000So when I say there's 100 libertarians, I'm saying there were 100 libertarians that got an A, they voted libertarian 90% of the time or more on the bills in 2020.
00:45:17.000And depending on what kind of weaponry you have on it and where you have it, it's legal as well.
00:45:22.000It's funny because you often hear from these Democrat establishment types, the authoritarians, about gun control and they're like, you can't own a tank, can you?
00:46:07.000You're not supposed to just have one goat, right?
00:46:08.000Yeah, but you know, you just keep doing stuff like this.
00:46:11.000And as we get more political control, you get more people in office, you repeal more laws, you do more nullification-type stuff.
00:46:19.000There's so many clever ways you can do it where you can just, like, We're doing this with guns now, where we're basically saying, like, hey, federal agents can't operate in the state.
00:46:38.000And I think this is the way that you can win.
00:46:41.000What if we bought like a hundred acres and then just told people, like, have at it I would be thrilled to welcome you to the Free State, Tim.
00:46:51.000I mean, we're out in West Virginia, basically, so we actually are just finalizing a deal on a big plot of land, you know, Freedom City, or Fredamistan, we jokingly call it.
00:47:00.000And we're going to have, like, a recreational facility, and we're going to be producing a lot of content, doing more shows.
00:47:04.000We have a new show that's actually already live.
00:47:07.000I guess we can announce the name now, because it's already up, isn't it?
00:47:13.000It is, but you know, we're going to, so we soft launched it and then we can officially announce it.
00:47:17.000So we're doing a bunch of shows and these are like fully produced podcasts, editing sound effects and stuff like that.
00:47:22.000So we want to do this mini little freedom city in West Virginia, but what if we just bought, you know, a hundred acres in central New Hampshire, if there was a group of people who are willing to go there and just start using it?
00:47:34.000So I think if you're interested in that in the chat, if you could just sound off and say, yeah, I want to, I want to move to New Hampshire.
00:47:40.000Well, is there like, is there like a free, like, does the Free State Project have like land for like organizational use?
00:47:46.000The Free State Project, again, it's, it's 1% of the Free State Movement.
00:47:50.000So the Free State Project has like two employees and a budget of like, $200,000 a year.
00:47:58.000The free state movement owns like a billion dollars worth of property in the state, and the total organizational budget of all the different organizations is in the tens of millions or hundreds.
00:48:09.000It's a huge amount of what's happening.
00:48:11.000So are there real estate companies that are owned by free staters, that prioritize free staters, that try to do this kind of thing?
00:48:49.000I think they're more likely to do things in this way, where they don't have to make it
00:48:53.000explicitly about what it's actually about.
00:48:55.000I came up with a little bit of spitballing ideas about secession or what it might be.
00:49:00.000And let me know what you think about this, that if the government and people kind of laughed at it because it's not really well thought out thing.
00:49:04.000But if, say, New Hampshire were to secede, but they set up a smart contract or some sort of automated system where if the United States government, federal government met the terms of these secessionists, they would automatically be reimplemented back into the federal system.
00:49:19.000Yeah, I think that's a very clever way to do it, where you can do it with these triggers.
00:49:23.000That's the way the Free State Project started, by the way.
00:49:25.000The Free State Project, like, it wasn't like people were like, New Hampshire's awesome, let's move there.
00:49:30.000It started by a guy named Jason Sorens.
00:49:32.000He wrote this essay, and the opening of the essay was basically, the Libertarian Party is a failure.
00:49:38.000The notion of the Libertarian Party ever achieving its agenda in my lifetime is literally hopeless.
00:49:44.000I'd bet all this money that that will never happen.
00:49:46.000He made this 20-year prediction 20 years ago.
00:49:52.000And he said that like, but there are enough libertarians in the country that if we concentrated, we could actually achieve our agenda.
00:49:59.000And the way that started was people signed an assurance contract, like a Kickstarter.
00:50:03.000And so it started with 5,000 people saying, well, we're not sure where we're going to move.
00:50:07.000But we'll all move to the place that we agree on, and then we'll continue to keep the movement going from there.
00:50:13.000So there was this whole selection process, like Wyoming was the second state, and Alaska, I think, was the third, and they went through, I mean, there was a longer list, but that's the way it came out.
00:50:22.000New Hampshire came in first, Wyoming came in second, and Alaska came in third, where they went through and debated all the possible states.
00:50:27.000And a key target was low population, right?
00:50:29.000New Hampshire only has a million people, right?
00:50:31.000So that's part of why we're able to have such an outsized effect with only 10,000 or so.
00:50:37.000So if a million and one people move to New Hampshire and then you vote, you get exactly
00:50:44.000I don't think you need anywhere near that number.
00:50:46.000And I was talking to Lydia about this, about like a big part of libertarians tend to be
00:50:51.000either, like they tend to be independently minded, right?
00:50:55.000And so they tend to do, commit the typical mind fallacy and model other people as independently
00:51:00.000It's a big part of why the Libertarian Party is such a failure.
00:51:03.000They're like people make their decisions as independent rational animals and they consider the policy and then our policies are better so they'll vote for us.
00:51:10.000And it is like the most absolutely wrong model of how people actually decide things.
00:51:17.000They decide things to feel like they're being agreeable, to feel like they're getting along and going along, and this is what other people believe.
00:51:23.000And so when you have, it's another way, Nassim Taleb's tyranny of the minority.
00:51:29.000If you have this small minority of people that are extremely vocal about what they believe, they pull a ton of these agreeable people to their positions.
00:51:37.000And it's a big part of how we're succeeding.
00:51:39.000It's even how the libertarians in New Hampshire are making the Republican Party more libertarian is because They go in and they're Republicans now and they're advocating these really libertarian positions and so they've pulled these like, you know, these like Trumpian conservative types to be much more libertarian because they're there, they're Republicans and they're being loud about what they believe.
00:51:59.000What's like a state, what's the state budget?
00:52:03.000I feel like we could bring billions of dollars in industry into that state.
00:52:32.000But the issue is, New Hampshire's blue.
00:52:34.000And I'm looking at their election results.
00:52:36.000I think that is a... So, New Hampshire has a Republican governor, 60% of the vote, Republican executive council, which is this organ that other people don't have, but it's part of the executive body, Republican Senate, Republican state legislature.
00:52:51.000So it was just like an anti-Trump recoil maybe?
00:52:54.000A lot of New Hampshire conservatives do not like Trump.
00:52:57.000New Hampshire's like traveling back in time.
00:52:59.000This is one of the weirdest parts where it's like, they're like, decorum, and the process, and rational, and we're gonna debate things, and like, let's all get along.
00:53:08.000And so the kind of like brash style that Trump had was very off-putting to a lot of New Hampshire citizens.
00:53:39.000I actually think this helps in terms of acceleration, because the truth is, like, it's awesome, we have people move from California and all over the country, but the truth is, more people move from closer nearby, right?
00:53:50.000And so if you're in a place like Wyoming, Where are you pulling people from?
00:55:09.000And there's cheaper areas and there's limited infrastructure.
00:55:12.000It's because all the really rich people go to the shores of Maine to get away and it's just like... Yeah, you gotta be pretty well-off for the most part.
00:55:21.000I was looking at property and comparing it.
00:55:23.000Identical infrastructure, substantially cheaper in the West Virginia area than basically anywhere else.
00:55:28.000I've been thinking about setting up like a university for scientists that want to learn how to use to make graphene, because I don't know if you're familiar much with graphene, but it's going to be a 21st century steal.
00:55:40.000And I was going to do it nationally, like do it in Chicago, get the federal funds to fund it, build an American thing that we manage for 15 years and show all these Americans that get two weeks for free with their tax money to come and learn how to use it.
00:55:51.000And then all the graphene we produce is free for all Americans forever.
00:55:54.000And then after 15 years, it becomes a utility.
00:55:56.000and we just produce and use free and it's like space elevator travel but we could do it on a on a state level makes a lot more sense Yeah, let's do it.
00:56:05.000New Hampshire, graphene capital of the world.
00:56:09.000You gotta get some industry to come in, and I gotta be honest, there's a lot of very, very, very wealthy people, and I'm surprised we don't see more of this.
00:56:17.000I am surprised more wealthy people don't try to defect, but I mean, New Hampshire's like, that's the thing, it has like a small population, and in some ways it can feel rural, but it really has everything.
00:56:25.000It has a huge tech industry, the average income in New Hampshire is like in the top five for states, The median income is like $75,000 a year or something.
00:57:25.000But I don't know if that is going to be necessary.
00:57:31.000And whether you would be happy in New Hampshire, like listening to this conversation, is like reading a dating profile and deciding if someone is going to be your wife or husband.
00:58:13.000The FSP will literally be like your personal tour guide.
00:58:16.000We'll plug you into all the secret stuff that's not available online.
00:58:19.000If you contact us, we'll teach you about the secret clubs and there's a public calendar, but there's also stuff that's like not on the calendar.
00:58:26.000You got to get in touch with us and we'll let you check out the state.
00:58:29.000And then you can decide if that's a place you want to be.
00:58:32.000I don't, you know, I don't care if it's West Virginia or Wyoming or New Hampshire, the idea of like people coming together.
00:58:38.000And so at this point, it's like the Free State Project's been around so long and New Hampshire probably does make the most sense just based on what's already built in its foundation.
00:58:46.000And man, New Hampshire is a pretty free place.
00:58:49.000I see, you know, Luke firing the flamethrower.
00:59:27.000Every time I go in to vote, every single election, I can vote for someone who I feel like shares my values and wants the world to be the kind of way that I want the world to be.
00:59:36.000It's the first time that voting has felt good to me in a very long time, since maybe when I was in my early 20s and actually believed in it in a more genuine form.
01:00:14.000I mean, I think it's, I do think it's really hard to win third party, and I'm a supporter of the, like, Libertarian Party seems like it's becoming more libertarian again with, you know, with the Mises Caucus and Dave Smith, he's awesome, and all these people who are like, you're really giving this full-throated support for libertarianism rather than like the woke neoliberal party or like whatever it had become.
01:00:36.000But I think it is really hard to win as a third party.
01:00:38.000I think that you have whatever that law is, like Duverger's law or whatever, that everything trends towards two parties, and so it's really hard to win as a third party.
01:00:50.000So I would love it if a libertarian party candidate could win.
01:00:54.000I really just want libertarians to win.
01:00:56.000I don't care what letter is next to your name.
01:02:01.000All of their candidates that are in the state legislature either won and defected—defected, whatever, changed parties—or they ran a two-party race.
01:02:08.000So, like, they have Marshall Burton, Wyoming.
01:02:11.000He ran Libertarian against Democrat, without a Republican in the race, and was able to win.
01:02:16.000And so if you can somehow get it down to two parties, I think the Libertarian party could win.
01:02:19.000And I think it'd be great if Libertarians could run under the Libertarian party, like the Libertarian party platform is more Libertarian than the Republican platform.
01:02:26.000Although in New Hampshire, this is another way that Libertarians win.
01:02:29.000They're so... I gotta say, if you've never been part of a cabal, You need to get a cabal.
01:04:16.000I'm relatively anti-democratic and anti-populist.
01:04:22.000I think generally the more democratic we've become, the less libertarian we've become.
01:04:29.000Beliefs among libertarians. I'll say it now because I am one of those highly disagreeable types who says these
01:04:33.000things Anyway, it's like I think libertarians need to face the
01:04:36.000fact that most people aren't libertarian Most people don't want to be libertarian
01:04:40.000Most people don't actually like freedom and personal responsibility and individual choice, but they don't so you
01:04:47.000need to level up the Free State Project and not just attract libertarians
01:04:53.000But also attract people by saying if you want to be a sheep in the flock protected
01:04:59.000by a strong sheepdog and a shepherd New Hampshire's place for you!
01:05:03.000Just do as you're told, vote the way we tell you, and we'll keep you safe.
01:05:07.000Yeah, I think there is a way that that happens, and almost kind of already does, though not quite that explicitly, but there are all kinds of libertarians that are like large employers, right?
01:05:17.000And a large employer has the chance to kind of like They are kind of playing that role, not always, but you know, they're giving you a job, but they also have this chance to kind of push political perspectives, they have this chance to influence the way that you think, and if you're agreeable, you kind of, yeah, my boss is good to me, and so on.
01:05:31.000And so when you have these libertarians, and this is part of, this is what the libertarian party doesn't understand, what I think the Free State Movement does, whether implicitly or explicitly, is like, The way you actually change people's minds is you become an accomplished person, you attain status in your community by being a good person, by being a good father, by being a contributor, by being a volunteer, by being successful, you know, by having your life together.
01:05:54.000And when you do all of those things, people look up to you.
01:05:57.000And then people copy and adapt your values and what you believe because they see, well, look at that person, look at how he is or she is, and I want to be more like that.
01:06:06.000Have you considered just using your funding for propaganda campaigns to just trick people into supporting you?
01:06:12.000Well, I mean, again, people do, the libertarians do run under every party.
01:06:21.000But, so, I remember reading about, like, how all these rich people got a cruise ship so they could do weird stuff in international waters that was illegal for, like, their businesses or something.
01:06:29.000Where are the billionaires to be like, let's just go to New Hampshire and fund this so that we can have laissez-faire?
01:07:07.000It's not really about the money, though.
01:07:08.000It's about what we produce, the production.
01:07:09.000Well, really, all that needs to happen is employers need to relocate to the state.
01:07:13.000If you've got, you know, any amount of employers and you relocate to New Hampshire, you bring those employees with you.
01:07:18.000Not an easy thing for everybody, but if you can do that, that not only brings more money to the state, but it brings those people and their taxes, and it just makes the economy of New Hampshire better.
01:08:31.000Well, I think this is another thing that some libertarians can miss because, like, most—Everett lives in luxury now.
01:08:40.000Seriously, I'm not trying to say they're psychologically healthy or they're physically healthy, but in terms of like, if you could work a minimum wage job, and in terms of what you have available to you in terms of quality food, technology, all these things, it is a better life than most people have had throughout history.
01:08:57.000The difference is that human beings, some, a lot of libertarians don't feel this way,
01:10:07.000I'd be like, gosh, I wish I could not have to work in the middle of the day and go walk my dog with my sandals on and eat $30 meals every day, five days a week.
01:10:16.000And I just go about my business thinking like, oh, that'd be awesome.
01:10:19.000Think it back to it, you know, just dealing with my reality.
01:10:22.000But I felt it, you know, it's not as much anymore.
01:10:25.000But, you know, I've also done more that I'm proud of.
01:11:23.000If you downloaded the contents of Wikipedia onto this device, and had, like, a charging cable and a battery pack that could easily recharge it, or, you know, just a wall charger.
01:12:09.000I love these shows, superhero shows, Heroes did it, where they like, how do you handle people with powers and people who don't?
01:12:17.000So in X-Men they have the Mutant Registry Act because they're like, this is dangerous, these mutants.
01:12:22.000And I think about, there's this, this is a common trope in sci-fi, and I think it's just often said, the reason why aliens would not give humans technology is, what do you think they would do with it?
01:12:34.000What do you think would happen if you went to, you know, a village in Africa and said, here's a stockpile of, you know, M-16s or something, and crates full of ammo?
01:12:42.000They would be like, we're going to use it to empower ourselves, and we're going to, you know, take care of our enemies.
01:12:48.000So what happens in the US, or I should say in the world, is that typically all this technology arises simultaneously in different ways.
01:12:55.000So you do end up with world war and conflict and crisis, but for the most part we're always kind of, you know, at an equal level.
01:13:02.000What would happen if you came and gave This power of knowledge to a, you know, a prior generation.
01:13:10.000We look at pictures of cats and we argue with strangers on the internet.
01:13:13.000Back then, it would be one of the most powerful weapons the world had ever seen.
01:13:16.000The fact that someone could be like, I can know everything humans can know, like that.
01:13:21.000Yeah, the envy thing seems like an emergent phenomenon because obviously people have enough.
01:13:25.000I mean, we have enough to become super gods.
01:13:27.000If any one person wanted to study everything on the internet and remember it, memorize it, you'd be...
01:13:32.000I mean, I think it's driven by evolution.
01:13:35.000We've always lived in some sort of social hierarchies throughout our evolution, and everyone wants to be at the top, and no one wants to feel like they're at the bottom.
01:13:44.000And so, for the people at the bottom of any sort of hierarchy, they want to gang up on and take down the person at the top.
01:13:55.000I think all kinds of other social animals do it.
01:13:58.000I think another point of evidence in this favor is if you look at happiness research, people in countries that are much poorer than the U.S.
01:14:06.000aren't substantially less happy than people in the U.S.
01:14:10.000the distribution of happiness is pretty similar.
01:14:12.000Well, because it's not really about how well off you are.
01:14:46.000I will say though, having a little bit of money, having enough money to eat whatever I want,
01:14:50.000whenever I want, and to sleep as late as I want is life-changing.
01:14:54.000Yes, when you're talking about abject poverty, there's clear differences there.
01:14:57.000I'm not talking about quite at that level, there are clear differences.
01:15:00.000I once read that a paraplegic, a year after their accident, and a lottery winner, a year after winning, register the same levels of happiness.
01:15:07.000Yeah, we experience these hedonic adjustments.
01:15:09.000Jonathan Haidt has some really good research on this topic.
01:15:30.000Just for everybody, you know, Cenk is an overweight, progressive YouTube host, and Joe Rogan is not only an MMA commentator, but he used to fight MMA, and he trains, and he has a gym, and he is massively ripped.
01:15:45.000Mr. M says, I'll make a $1,000 donation to your trash network or your charity of choice to see you call Rogan, who is not only the most successful podcast in history, but also a black belt in MMA, a loser to his face.
01:16:31.000If Joe Rogan believes that the government violating your bodily autonomy is tyranny, then he must be furious about anti-choice Christian mullahs in his country.
01:16:41.000If he isn't, then he's an effing hypocrite, sucking up to his right-wing audience out of either stupidity or cowardice, except I'm pretty sure Joe Rogan is pro-choice, pro-UBI, pro-Bernie Sanders.
01:17:18.000And so the parent factions, the Democrats and the Republicans, now the Republicans mostly not so much because Trump really just splattered that whole party.
01:18:19.000However, Cenk Uygur runs a multi-million dollar network that's massive, and you need to have abilities and passion and drive to do something like that.
01:18:27.000So, that says to me, Cenk knows he's misleading his audience, he knows he's pushing trash to fill their minds with garbage that will not move this country forward.
01:18:37.000Rogan's a black belt in jujitsu, I believe.
01:18:41.000I don't know if he practices, but I mean, I think Cenk just doesn't understand that if he's really being serious here.
01:18:48.000It sounds like he's like a high school athlete who's like in their 30s or 40s and is a little overweight and still talks about how badass they are.
01:20:08.000Yeah, I'm not, this isn't like a strong explanation, but I think part of it does have to do with social media and the way that it's sort of like, To me, that matches up with the timeline of, like, politics has gotten much more divisive, like, Democrats and Republicans have moved away from the middle and are, like, much more outside of the middle.
01:20:58.000Yeah, so, but it definitely does, like, it incentivizes conflict, it discourages us seeing the other side, and it's also, like, created this phenomenon where, like, we're living in these, like, separate realities where they're, like, you know, who is, like, who are these people that both sides still trust?
01:21:20.000So, my favorite was, uh, I mentioned this, many of you may have heard this, but I'll just, you know, just so you know, when I went on Russell Brand's show, and he asked me, I was on Russell Brand's show, he asked me about Civil War.
01:21:31.000And, you know, I typically view this as people are like, they think they're gonna get me, as though, like, I'm some shock jock being like, Civil War, and like, bang on the table, when I'm actually like...
01:21:40.000Going through all of the details, the Princeton professor, the Atlantic articles, the conversations around Thucydides trap and what it means, fourth and fifth generational warfare, all of these very, like, you know, specific examples of why we are facing some kind of civil conflict.
01:21:53.000Then you've got, um, like, first and foremost, we had two shootouts in the Pacific Northwest between the left and the right.
01:23:10.000Like, when I'm weaker than you, I ask for you to follow the principles, and then when I'm stronger than you, like, I don't adhere to the principles because it's good for me.
01:23:20.000But that's exactly what the, that's exactly the phenomenon.
01:23:24.000And I don't know how much of it is, like, conscious.
01:23:27.000I think part of it is that, like, human beings are deceitful to themselves.
01:23:31.000And so, like, when they're on the losing side and the underside, they have this, like, genuine feeling that principles ought to be important.
01:23:38.000And when they're on the winning side and the dominant side, they have this feeling that, I don't know, principles don't matter.
01:23:42.000Like, what matters is accomplishing my objective.
01:23:43.000I have the Dune quote from Frank Herbert, the writer.
01:23:46.000Children of Dune, when I'm weaker than you, I ask for freedom because that is according to your principles.
01:23:51.000But when I'm stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to mine.
01:25:02.000So we, we certainly have a tech- Twitter banned the- Sure, sure, sure.
01:25:06.000But that doesn't explain Joe Biden coming out, that doesn't explain Joe Biden coming out with an edict and then everyone just adhering to it.
01:25:12.000It was on my Twitter page when I loaded Twitter for like five days.
01:25:15.000Did you know that what he did isn't illegal?
01:25:20.000That's why I'm saying we need a new word.
01:25:21.000They've usurped the government is in those- We are seeing an element of big tech corporations wielding their power, but it's not so much the technology mass media has been around for a long time.
01:25:31.000It is, you have the private sector and the public sector have merged, which some people might say is fascism, but fascism is also like traditionalist and nationalistic.
01:25:41.000So that doesn't explain what they are.
01:25:43.000So we need a word that represents global corporatism.
01:25:48.000With state, you know, yeah, global government corporatism.
01:26:08.000You've got private corporations working in collusion with the state under the guise of democracy towards a global international new world order.
01:26:35.000Look, we were talking about earlier with contracts.
01:26:37.000If a company owns the rights to your likeness, and then they start building artificial intelligence, generative deepfakes, and can make you look real and say whatever they want, Forever?
01:26:47.000That's like you're a digital slave to a corporation.
01:26:49.000It's like Disney owns the rights to Thor.
01:26:51.000They can make Chris Hemsworth's face say anything they want on a cartoon or on a TV show now.
01:26:56.000Do you think it's all driven by corporations?
01:26:58.000No, what's happening is there's a very dense, powerful, corporate centralization of power that is colluding with a very dense centralization of government power.
01:27:59.000Without the government, Twitter wouldn't have the legal protections to make it happen.
01:28:03.000Without the government, Twitter could do whatever it wanted.
01:28:06.000Without the Democrats coming in, so when Congress comes in and gives special protections to
01:28:12.000the tech industry, they're then able to propagandize.
01:28:14.000I will say, I think a lot of big tech is protected by federal laws.
01:28:19.000I was talking to you about this before the show, I'll talk about this idea maybe a little
01:28:23.000bit now, but there is an ability, a technical ability but not a legal one, to embrace and
01:28:30.000extend these platforms, where you build a Facebook 2, you log into it with your Facebook
01:28:35.000credentials and it gives you everything in Facebook 1 plus more.
01:28:38.000And when you comment on Facebook 2, it backports the Facebook 1 for the people who are still on there, and so on.
01:28:44.000And this is a way that we could evolve our way out of the status quo, so we wouldn't be trapped in this equilibrium that no one is happy with.
01:28:52.000It's laws that stop these things from being built.
01:28:55.000So big tech companies use laws to shut down competitors.
01:28:58.000I mean, the fact that, I mean, you know, IP is a big one.
01:29:00.000You know, you're still $10, you know, Apple owns rounded black corners.
01:29:05.000You know, Oracle, I think they ended up losing the case, but it went on for 10 years where Oracle potentially owned the set of Java APIs, which made it so that, you know, you couldn't be competitive with phones.
01:29:16.000There's the Computer Fraud Anti-Abuse Act.
01:29:19.000This is a big one that a lot of people don't know about.
01:29:23.000It says, like, basically, unauthorized access to a computer is a federal crime.
01:29:26.000And what these big tech companies do is they say, well, if you're scraping public data, and we tell you to stop, you're now violating the CFAA, and that's a federal crime.
01:29:34.000They don't even need to tell you to stop.
01:29:35.000The government just literally says, yeah, we decided it's a crime.
01:29:38.000But this kills PadMapper, if anyone remembers that service.
01:29:44.000So you could pull up a map and it would show you listings for rentals.
01:29:48.000There was a small company, it was like one guy, he built this service where if Southwest changed their flight fees, it would tell you, because if you call Southwest when they lower the price of the flight, they'll give you the money back, but you have to contact them.
01:30:01.000And Southwest said, stop scraping our site, and if you don't, we're going to call the FBI.
01:30:06.000So you can't look up our public price data.
01:30:10.000Misappropriation of government can stifle innovation, but no government allows corporations to send armed men into the other startups and kill everyone in the building and then make sure that no one starts up.
01:30:24.000So that's a much different debate as to how would these competing interests play out.
01:30:29.000In terms of violence, and I'm not going to, if we want to do the like, NCAP versus Minarchy debate, we can do it.
01:30:34.000But I think that's separate from, like, we can assume a Minarchy, right?
01:30:37.000So we can assume there's some small government that stops the companies from doing that.
01:30:41.000But if they didn't have these additional laws that they were allowed to leverage to shut down their competitors, I actually think competition would be more robust than it is now.
01:30:48.000Yeah, I think you're right about that.
01:31:52.000And that's part of the beauty of all this stuff.
01:31:55.000When everything is open source, when everything is permissionless, we're able to innovate so much faster.
01:32:00.000And I think all of the creative energy – like, you know, Google's a zombie, man.
01:32:06.000The smartest, most creative people They don't want to work at Google.
01:32:10.000They don't want to work under a culture where you have to adhere to a woke ideology.
01:32:14.000And if you don't, you're going to lose your job.
01:32:15.000They don't want to sit through three hours of diversity and inclusion workshops a week and have to go through all that training and have to put, you know, pronouns in their signature and all this stuff.
01:32:24.000I'm not saying none of them do, but most of them don't.
01:32:27.000I was thinking last night, Google, is it just that it's too big?
01:32:32.000Part of it is that it takes just such a long time.
01:32:34.000I mean, IBM has been sleepwalking for more than a decade and it's still such a large company.
01:32:42.000It doesn't usually happen overnight where some startup takes down the incumbent.
01:32:47.000And so when you're going through that five to ten year reality, which is how long it actually takes for these things to play out, it feels really slow and it feels like it's never going to happen.
01:32:59.000It's like a constant resurgence, and then it falls away and fertilizes the soil where new things appear.
01:33:05.000With Google, I remember when Google Plus came out, and they had YouTube and Google Plus, and it was like, why didn't they just make YouTube the social network?
01:33:13.000And then they had this company, this part of it running Google Plus and part of it running YouTube, and they didn't know what the other hand was doing, and it was a mess.
01:33:19.000YouTube was trying to turn, uh, Google was trying to turn YouTube into Google Plus, and it was backfiring bad.
01:33:33.000So it makes me think that it's too big, that you can't, it's just too much authority and too many levels of authority of things getting passed down that it's less effect, loses affectivity.
01:33:42.000Yeah, no, and that's such an important concept, and I think it's a mistake a lot of people make in their thinking, is they think of like, oh, Google's like a coherent entity.
01:33:50.000Like, oh, the CEO just said stuff, and then, like, things happen.
01:33:52.000It's like, you know, true of governments, true of large corporations.
01:33:56.000Well, no, but it's a bunch of individual agents, all with their own, like, local incentives.
01:34:00.000And a lot of times, inside of the large thing, they're competing interests.
01:34:04.000They're competing branches of government that are at odds with one another.
01:34:07.000They're competing factions of Google that are at odds with one another.
01:34:10.000There's not an ability for one person to just issue some top-down order and then everything happens.
01:34:16.000And the most creativity, the best stuff happens when you have people with that bottom-up incentive where they believe in the mission and they want to do the right thing.
01:34:24.000Very few jobs, especially creative work, can be purely quantified where it's like, oh, produce your 40 widgets of stuff and we're going to win because we're producing 40 widgets of creativity per week.
01:35:25.000You know Trump was not a particularly libertarian president and Trump would have continued to grow government and so on and so like would it have happened more slowly?
01:35:34.000Maybe but but this is these are two terrible choices here no matter what if you're a libertarian and All right.
01:36:30.000It had something to do with some article where I think a friend of mine made like a passive comment and then a journalist, you know, someone said something like, it'd be really cool if we had like a Zeppelin that could just be resting on your roof and then like just go up and anywhere in the world you could dial in and just have access to this live streaming aerial camera.
01:36:47.000And then someone claimed I did it and then Wikipedia put it in and it said Tim Pool invented the Zeppelin stream or something.
01:37:26.000Like, if there was an article that said, Ian has long hair, and they put it in, but then Ian didn't have long hair, he had short hair, and then people are like, this is fake news, get rid of it.
01:37:35.000And then Ian grew his hair out, and they're like, now it's true, put it back.
01:37:38.000I'm like, but that's the, don't, that article's not true, you need to write a new one.
01:38:29.000So we were thinking of naming it something so that when they write in the article it would confuse people and they wouldn't know when it was made?
01:40:11.000I am not doing a promo for them, because that would be a specific thing, but we sometimes do promote safeandreadymeals.com.
01:40:19.000I don't know how that works, because normally when you read the promo, you have to tell YouTube, but if someone asks us and we just tell them what it is, what if I ask you?
01:42:59.000We have had our Odyssey app has been in review at YouTube for seven weeks.
01:43:09.000And I have some inside, I don't want to say too much, but I know I have good information That it has been sort of flagged to the highest level.
01:43:19.000I don't know about your experience with Library, but my experience in Mines is whenever there's like technical glitches, very, very, very, 98.9% of the time, it's like a back-end glitch.
01:43:28.000And people think they're being censored, and they're like freaking out, and I'm like, dude, this is tech, man.
01:44:01.000If you can't, you know, there's no principle to stand by or you're not standing by your principles if you're not going to get into an actual argument with people that you know and trust and be willing to, like, recognize you disagree on very core issues.
01:44:14.000That's literally, like, the purpose of what we do here for the most part is Yeah, I disagree with Charlie Kirk when he came and I'm
01:44:20.000like, wow, I really don't agree with him on this or that issue.
01:44:23.000But yeah, it's just the way it is. What are you going to do?
01:47:12.000Look, when you sit down and they're like, hi, thanks for coming, here's your menu, and then say, I'll have the chicken wings, and say okay, and they come back and give you the chicken wings, it's not really an interaction there.
01:48:09.000The reason why I say you can't be a benevolent tyrant is that there will always be people who say I disagree, and if the tyrant says I'm not constrained and can do whatever I want, he will be crushing and oppressing those people who disagree, even if they disagree for stupid reasons.
01:48:20.000You can have an individual who is genuinely the smartest, most, uh, the kindest person who says, I know how to solve all the world's problems.
01:48:27.000And if someone says, I demand my voice be heard, and he says, no, you're wrong.
01:48:33.000Well, what if there's like a hundred people and one guy says, I'm in charge and I need to get us across the river because the wildfire is coming.
01:48:40.000And one guy goes, no, we need to stay here.
01:48:43.000And the tyrant says, No, we're going, and takes everyone.
01:49:44.000To use the force of a large crowd on a person who says... You know what's funny is the problem with that circumstance is that it turns out the reason the one guy says don't cross was because the river was full of piranhas.
01:49:55.000And then he forces them in the river and he gets killed.
01:50:24.000I'm putting the pressure on the wound.
01:50:25.000I'm not saying these are exactly the same scenario.
01:50:26.000Well, if you put, wait, if you put, so that's it.
01:50:28.000So, alright, the drunk driving one, the idea is that the behavior's creating some externalities, so maybe it's different, but if you put pressure on the wound when the guy says no, how's that different than carrying him across the bridge?
01:50:40.000And so, you also do have to consider that when someone's... So, there's extreme circumstances where we act in the best of our abilities to, like, legitimately save a life when it's obvious.
01:50:50.000You know, like, if you are coming across a very complex situation, and one man says, I hereby decree, and you say, no, that's wrong, and he says, shut up, and uses the force of the mob to shut you down, often, you could end up walking into a river full of piranhas, and then you all die.
01:51:06.000Maybe the guy bleeding to death wants to die because he's about to... Wanting to die is different from saying, I object on these grounds.
01:51:12.000But you might, the tyrant may know that there's danger, whereas the person who's objecting doesn't know.
01:52:05.000You create a circumstance where someone can oppress people because they think they're smarter and that is what you will get.
01:52:10.000Now, if there's an emergency and someone's lying on the ground and they're bleeding and they're like, don't touch me, don't touch me, that happens all the time.
01:52:16.000And it's like, bro, this is a very different circumstance where we legit know you're bleeding.
01:52:20.000Or a drunk driver where they're not within their right frame of mind.
01:52:24.000I don't think you would get the outcome of sort of like evil behavior if there's competition between tyrants.
01:52:32.000Well, yeah, a tyrant has absolute power.
01:52:33.000If there's competition, they're not a tyrant.
01:52:39.000I mean, there's competition in the case of city-states.
01:52:42.000I think, you know, this is a very specific example, but for the most part, there's always going to be someone who either doesn't understand, who understands better, or quite frankly just refuses to comply.
01:52:54.000And the idea that a tyrant is going to go to someone who says, I refuse to comply, and says, we're gonna force you, that is not benevolence.
01:53:01.000It is just someone who has convinced the people he is better for some reason.
01:53:05.000But sometimes the ignorant person really is making a bad decision, and the tyrant has to correct for that.
01:53:11.000You know, the issue is that, it's like the quote I mentioned before, the idea that some people are just stupid so they need smarter people to lead them, but they're basically the same.
01:53:24.000Man, imagine if Joe Biden got dictatorial power and could just demand by edict people be forced to get vaccinated.
01:53:31.000So there's, and you have all the Democrats saying, what a good leader, and they're cheering for him, saying, that's a benevolent dictator, a benevolent tyrant, and I'm saying, it doesn't matter whether you think you're right or wrong, this should not be allowed, because you're not always right, and often could be wrong, and we need a balance of power.
01:53:50.000Centralized authority, in my opinion, is almost always bad.
01:53:53.000I'm not big on absolutes because sometimes George Washington needs to say, we have to do this because we're in a war and there are emergencies.
01:54:01.000Sometimes Abraham Lincoln says, I'm going to do some things that are really awful that we think are still bad to this day.
01:54:06.000But we're like, man, was slavery just really bad?
01:54:08.000So we're kind of, we kind of accept that he did bad things.
01:56:23.000A human being, a real live, real one, not an AI, not a chat bot, a member of the FSP staff, typically a woman named Chris Lopez will reach out to you.
01:56:38.000She'll learn about you and that kind of thing.
01:56:41.000Easy times to come are Liberty Forum, which is the first weekend in March, nhlibertyforum.com, Porkfest, the end of June, porkfest.com, but you can come out for a trip anytime.
01:57:51.000So there's all kinds of people, and so that's part of why I don't know you, but if you contact the organization, we'll learn about you and we'll help you figure out what makes sense for you.
01:58:00.000What we're doing with our Ferdamastan is, it's gonna be... I mean, it's almost 50 acres, so we can set up a shooting range.
01:58:07.000We're gonna have, like, a biking area.
01:58:08.000We're gonna be very, very strict with our range.
01:58:10.000It's not gonna be a very open-to-the-public kind of thing.
01:58:13.000But we are gonna have... It's gonna be a private space.
01:59:28.000That's actually what makes the federal, you know, if you don't like it, leave, is a valid principle.
01:59:32.000Like, if there's actually this competition for government.
01:59:35.000The governments don't follow their own rules.
01:59:36.000You know, we saw it with Liberland, we saw it with Sealand, if people know the story of Sealand, where they knocked this island off, but violated all the rules.
01:59:45.000And they do it, you know, so when people try to start something new, the governments get together and they shut it down.
01:59:50.000And there is effectively- The Sharana.
02:00:16.000It was people putting their own skin in the game to come and try a different way of living.
02:00:19.000And it was better than everything that came before and it was so good that Europe copied it.
02:00:26.000That other people copied what happened in America.
02:00:28.000And that's what we want to happen again, is people getting together, putting their skin in the game, saying, let's try a new and better way to live, and then if it works, people will copy us.
02:01:50.000It's about two hours north of Manchester.
02:01:52.000So if we can get land near that area, so we can set up a production facility, we can actually just schedule the show for a New Hampshire site and then go there.
02:02:01.000There's a space that we could give you to use as a studio for when you're there.
02:02:05.000We'd have to build something and have something static and people working there, maintaining the property, making the equipment, make sure it's safe and all that stuff.
02:03:11.000If you liked what I had to say, I'm on Odyssey as well at K-A-U-F-F-J.
02:03:16.000I'm also on Twitter at my full name, Jeremy Kaufman.
02:03:18.000So if you want to hear more from me there, I've got a lot of shitposts, so be careful.
02:03:22.000And what I'd really say is if you're frustrated with big tech, you don't like any of that stuff, create an Odyssey account and check that out as well.
02:03:30.000You'll earn some cryptocurrency for watching videos and you can enjoy Tim's show on there as well.
02:03:34.000Yeah, I think you can port your YouTube account into Odyssey pretty seamlessly.
02:03:37.000Yeah, if you're a YouTube creator, it's one of those things where I actually lie to people and say it's harder than it is, because if I tell them it's as easy as it actually is, they won't believe you.
02:03:47.000Like, I'm like, it takes under a minute.