Ron DeSantis donors are on the phone with him to discuss the viability of his campaign. The FBI Director Ray Epps is suing Fox News and Matt Gaetz is calling him out for protecting the Biden family. Plus, a new documentary about Sound of Freedom.
00:00:00.000Ron DeSantis donors are still on the phone with you.
00:00:24.000Ron DeSantis donors are set to meet with him to discuss the viability of his campaign at
00:00:34.000As reported, this is a reporting coming out of Fox Business, they're concerned that his polls are lagging and they want to see some improvement.
00:00:40.000And we're also hearing rumors that we have also somewhat corroborated, but keep in mind these are rumors, that a super PAC working for DeSantis is seeing people abandon the campaign.
00:00:50.000So we're going to talk about that and where DeSantis currently is in the polls.
00:00:53.000This is the big story that's been breaking all day, whether or not He's going, his campaign's gonna be viable.
00:00:59.000I mean, it's still really, really early to say, but I think it's interesting considering what's going on politically.
00:01:03.000And then we're gonna talk about, this one's fascinating, Ray Epps is suing Fox News.
00:01:09.000I think discovery on that one will be very fascinating.
00:01:12.000And then, of course, FBI Director Ray is getting grilled by members of Congress, and Matt Gaetz called him out for protecting the Biden family.
00:01:18.000This one should get pretty interesting.
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00:06:26.000Who's going to look after the chickens?
00:06:38.000DeSantis donors privately worry about campaign as Florida governor lags in 2024 polls.
00:06:43.000They say some of Ron DeSantis' fundraisers have recently heard concerns from donors about the trajectory of his campaign.
00:06:49.000The governor continues to lag Trump in GOP primary polls.
00:06:52.000Ken Griffin, the billionaire CEO of Citadel and previous DeSantis mega donor, continues to assess the field.
00:06:57.000A growing group of donors who have supported DeSantis' run are worried about the trajectory of his campaign even after he raked in $20 million.
00:07:04.000Despite those big fundraising numbers and his entry into the race on a wave of hype, DeSantis is lagging well behind frontrunner Donald Trump.
00:07:16.000Nothing's changed in Griffin's stance toward the election.
00:07:18.000We have this from the Post Millennial.
00:07:20.000They say, DeSantis to meet with major donors to face questions about campaign viability.
00:07:24.000This is coming from Charles Gasparino of Fox Business.
00:07:27.000Ron DeSantis is planning to meet major East Coast donors next week at a private gathering in Southampton.
00:07:32.000He faces questions about viability of his campaign as he's stalled in the polls.
00:07:36.000I hear he's planning to tell donors that he will play the long game.
00:07:40.000And to just bring in the context in terms of data, the prediction markets now have Ron DeSantis dropping down to 19 cents to Donald Trump's 62 cents.
00:07:50.000And this is big because DeSantis actually surpassed Trump at one point, but now continues to fall.
00:07:55.000And the latest poll from Morning Consult shows, nationally, DeSantis is actually doing worse than Trump, though both Trump and DeSantis do lose to Joe Biden.
00:08:04.000I'm not sure I believe that both of them will lose to Joe Biden.
00:08:08.000But if we're talking about comparing Trump and DeSantis in the same metric to Biden, then it looks like Trump is still ahead of Ron DeSantis, and DeSantis has been dropping in the polls.
00:08:31.000It feels like it's been going on for a long time.
00:08:34.000That's what I'm saying, it's like a week in politics is like a freaking year, you know?
00:08:38.000That's also true, but I think especially like a week with respect to his campaign, things have gone so south in so many ways.
00:08:44.000There's a lot about DeSantis, and I've said this before, there's a lot about him I like, I think, and there's even people on his campaign who I know and like, but I think some of the people making decisions there could have been more wisely chosen.
00:08:56.000Yeah, I mean, I don't know anything about the people there.
00:08:59.000No, I'm just saying with respect to how his campaign is acted.
00:09:02.000I'm saying I think there have been a lot of blunders.
00:09:04.000And I, you know, whatever, whoever has a team around them, like whatever candidate has a team, I don't think that that's reflective of the way that the actual candidate could lead.
00:09:18.000I choose him over Trump for many, many reasons, and we can get into that if you guys are interested.
00:09:22.000But I think it's incredibly early, and yeah, I don't think things have really even gotten started.
00:09:26.000I mean, we have the debates in August, we have this new town hall coming up with Tucker, and I think he's going to get the message out there.
00:10:08.000I do think that the DeSantis campaign is probably going to have to rethink some of what they're doing and we'll see how this meeting with the donors go, but yeah, it's going to be a little while before we can definitively say this person is more or less likely to get the nomination.
00:10:21.000I think that Ron is not going to be able to match Vivek's energy, and by the time three, four months from now, those numbers will be flipped.
00:10:28.000I don't know if this is actually going to happen, but those numbers will be flipped.
00:11:38.000And a lot of times when I play video games and I'm like, I get to select who the leader is going to be among all of my generals, I'll take the one with the best stats, not necessarily the most.
00:12:08.000I'm very involved in... I actually hear what you're saying.
00:12:12.000I mean, you know, I'm not tapped into different news sites like you are, but like, I'm part of the conversation and the dialogue and I'm not, you know, I follow a lot of people, diverse people that... But I think you make a good point, too.
00:12:22.000The vague has not broken out into this space.
00:12:25.000So I don't literally mean you're in a bubble, the vague is not there yet.
00:12:27.000I've seen, exactly, and I agree with you, I've seen a lot of clips of him floating around, I've seen different public statements he's made, I haven't noticed anything specifically from his campaign.
00:12:35.000I saw him give the speech in Miami when Trump was getting indicted.
00:12:41.000He went down and he was speaking at a podium and that's the last I saw of him.
00:12:46.000So I think he's sucking up to Trump a little.
00:12:52.000Yeah, I've interviewed him multiple times.
00:12:54.000I mean, I'm saying perception-wise, from the outside, that's, I mean, he literally went down to Miami and gave a huge speech, like, you know, in support of Trump.
00:13:03.000Yeah, because of the false indictments?
00:13:05.000Yeah, I think it's a little bit different from being a Trumper, though, right?
00:13:07.000I agree, I agree, but I think, you know, he continuously praises Trump.
00:13:11.000I mean, because he understands that you can't lose that base, right?
00:14:44.000And like I said, you know, it is super early.
00:14:46.000We have no idea what the primary is going to look like in a month, two months.
00:14:52.000I think Ted Cruz won like the first battleground state in the 2016 primaries or whatever.
00:14:58.000Like Ted Cruz won some state or something.
00:14:59.000And then everyone was like, oh, Trump ended up turning things around.
00:15:02.000I think with Vivek that the global economic order is very concerned about him getting into power because he's straight up like, we're not investing in BlackRock anymore.
00:15:10.000We're taking our money and we're investing in American indexes.
00:15:14.000We're going to take control of our financial system.
00:15:17.000And that's like the main force of control of the global technocrats is the financial system.
00:15:21.000They want central bank digital currencies and they want to be able to turn your bank account off if you don't, if you want to buy things they don't want you to buy.
00:15:27.000If you say something they don't want you to say.
00:15:29.000They did it with the Canadian truckers and I think Vivek is, he's so smart and he knows when to talk and when not to talk.
00:15:37.000That being said, I think that's a big part of the reason why the media hasn't propped him up at all.
00:15:42.000They haven't propped up really any of the Republican candidates.
00:17:38.000That's fine, but at the same time, the major ones that he put the most effort into, that he campaigned with, that he pushed the hardest, you know, the big national names, the national recognition.
00:17:56.000Trump continues to, you know, he says he's going to drain the swamp, but then he, he, I mean, Lindsey Graham, let's hear how you hear about how you feel about this.
00:18:03.000Lindsey Graham on stage with him in South Carolina, you know, he got booed a million times, but, but how is Trump going to drain the swamp when he's best friends with the swamp?
00:18:23.000How is Trump going to drain the swamp when he is best friends with the swamp?
00:18:28.000If DeSantis got on a stage with Lindsey Graham and Lindsey Graham opened for DeSantis, what would happen?
00:18:33.000What would the Trump people online say?
00:18:35.000I don't think you should go down this route because DeSantis is funded by Griffin.
00:18:40.000I'm literally saying if you're gonna if you're gonna ask questions about Trump being started by bad people, which I agree with, the same is true for DeSantis and my point being Vivek Ramaswamy must be our guy.
00:18:49.000Okay, no, but I'm trying to say like, what is it?
00:18:52.000How do people think that Trump is the anti-establishment candidate when he literally is campaigning with Lindsey Graham like a week ago?
00:19:04.000Trump has made a lot of mistakes, and I'll acknowledge them, but what I would say is that as far as the candidates go right now, Trump has the largest incentive to be the most anti-establishment candidate possible because of what the deep state and three-letter agencies did to him.
00:19:17.000They did it while he was president, too, though.
00:19:21.000Yes, that is when they did what they did, and now he's pretty substantially angry about what they did.
00:19:26.000Of course they did it while he was president.
00:19:28.000Right, but he still- And he was also concerned about re-election and he also had weights around his ankles because of what the deep state was doing to him.
00:19:35.000So yes, that did limit his ability to act.
00:19:36.000Yeah, Trump's first term was- I mean, nothing is ever his fault, I know.
00:19:44.000But I'm saying there's reason to believe that he would be interested in fighting the deep state considering what they've done to his family.
00:19:58.000I'll say that, and I've said this before, I think people he's chosen to surround himself with have not been great picks.
00:20:03.000But I'm saying in terms of the drive and the interest in draining the swamp and going after these agencies, I think Trump has the strongest incentive.
00:20:11.000I'm not saying there's no credibility to that criticism, by the way.
00:20:14.000I think Trump has historically made a lot of mistakes with respect to the people he's surrounded himself with.
00:20:20.000I think he has more of a drive to destroy the deep state, and I do think he has what it takes, but we'll see.
00:20:28.000I don't know if that's necessarily true, that being wronged makes Straight up the best incentive.
00:20:35.000Because I think Ron DeSantis, the incentive to make a better country could be equally as strong as the incentive of, like, they hurt me, I want to hurt them back.
00:20:45.000Because they're both good motivations.
00:20:47.000Now, part of the advantage of another Trump presidency is that he would not have to worry about re-election, which is also a massive, massive asset.
00:20:59.000He would not have to worry about re-election, which is a massive asset.
00:21:03.000That's super detrimental to us as a party, though.
00:21:05.000No, but he would go after all the people he needed to go after.
00:21:09.000I would prefer to have somebody in the White House that could fulfill eight years, so we're not doing this again and risking the White House again in another four years.
00:21:17.000But you have to, or otherwise it's an election.
00:21:19.000Trump can't run again though, like the incumbent.
00:22:01.000But foreign policy-wise, I think Trump did a very, very good job, especially with the Abraham Accords, with trying to get our troops out of Syria, crushing ISIS.
00:22:11.000And then the argument now is, if we're looking at these two guys, Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump, There's one thing that I care about the most.
00:22:18.000I think foreign policy-wise, it's hard to know for sure, Ron DeSantis has some experience in foreign policy, Donald Trump has good foreign policy, not perfect foreign policy, but better than Obama, better than Biden, better than whatever the Democrats have to offer.
00:22:29.000The question I have is, who is more likely to fire people?
00:22:37.000And the shift, which has become obvious to me, is that when asked about the greatest threat the country faces, Trump said it's not China, which is a marked shift from where he was in his first and second campaigns.
00:22:49.000He said it's within this country, referring to bureaucrats working for government who can't be fired.
00:22:54.000So one of the things Trump did near the end of his term, which he, which was reversed
00:22:57.000by the Democrats, by Joe Biden, was the schedule F attempt.
00:23:01.000You can't just fire federal employees.
00:23:10.000I think Ron DeSantis, because for a few reasons, it'll be his first term if he does get elected
00:23:15.000and he is being backed by some prominent establishment figures, is more likely to say, let's negotiate
00:23:22.000and figure out how we don't go to war with each other.
00:23:26.000I won't go around firing and destroying everything, but you guys let me get some of these policies through.
00:23:31.000Donald Trump is more likely to go in and say, I will fire everyone, I will nuke all of these bureaucrats and agencies.
00:23:39.000I would rather Donald Trump go in and fire and clean house, and then four years from now, be it DeSantis or whoever else, Ramaswamy, or, you know, maybe some other libertarian.
00:23:50.000Someone can then come in without these bureaucratic, permanent government individuals who have been in government for 30 years without being elected.
00:24:09.000I'm just saying, like, you know, there's always a reason why, there's an excuse for why Trump wasn't able to do something in his first term.
00:24:15.000It's literally the explanation of what Trump was doing.
00:24:18.000Trump talked to Sheldon Adelstein, he gets these big donors, and they're like, listen, we're gonna let you do your thing, but you gotta play ball with us.
00:24:28.000That's what Ron DeSantis is doing right now with Ken Griffin.
00:24:31.000So my argument is, Donald Trump made a big mistake with these morons that Ron DeSantis is doing right now.
00:24:38.000Trump is pissed off they screwed him over and stabbed him in the back and is more likely, even if it is only 2%, to go in and try to fire these people and just gut them from the system, whereas I see DeSantis once again meeting with big neocon donors and playing the game that Trump was playing first time around.
00:25:08.000Everybody says that DeSantis is endorsed by Paul Ryan and he's Jeb Bush 2.0 and all this stuff and I see absolutely zero evidence when really- Well, the Jeb Bush thing is dumb.
00:25:20.000I mean, the whole thing is absolutely stupid.
00:26:51.000And to this day, one of the biggest reasons why I no longer support this man is because to this day, he goes and praises the damn vaccine and Operation Warp Speed, takes credit for all of it, says it's the greatest thing that ever happened to mankind.
00:27:04.000I mean, one of them, you know, he's he said he saved 500 million people with it.
00:27:20.000And I think that's absolutely disgusting and I cannot support him.
00:27:24.000And I understand that the argument is Ron DeSantis pushed it early on too, right?
00:27:28.000Ron DeSantis at least can understand that that was wrong and has moved past it and is now fighting against it, you know?
00:27:34.000So I just like, Trump has such a big ego that he cannot Take responsibility for anything he ever did wrong.
00:27:41.000He just continues to double down and it's disgusting.
00:27:44.000The issue I take with this, the first thing is I'll say is our obligatory just talk to a doctor about what is right for you and make sure you find a good and trustworthy doctor because they do exist.
00:27:54.000I know I'm literally going to one next week because I got to get surgery or whatever.
00:27:57.000But here's where I'm at politically, especially when it comes to like RFK.
00:28:01.000I don't agree with him on a lot of the stuff he said, especially the EUA stuff on ivermectin and vaccines.
00:28:08.000There's a lot of people who adamantly believe things because they choose to believe them and they think they're right about everything.
00:28:15.000Whereas my positions are typically like, unless I see something to a great degree that provides confirmation, There's not much I can really say about it.
00:28:26.000So, you know, we've had several debates on this show, I've debated several leftist individuals, and they'll ask me a direct question about something political, I'll be like, don't know.
00:28:33.000Literally, I don't know, why don't you have a position on this?
00:28:36.000When it comes to the VAX stuff, I don't know.
00:28:39.000That's why I always, I'm just like, I don't know, talk to a doctor.
00:28:41.000What I can say is Donald Trump refuses to back down from this as one of his major campaign victories.
00:28:47.000What we do know is that there was a judge, I think it was in New York, who ruled that the vaccine does not prevent transmission of the virus.
00:28:54.000And then later on, you end up with a bunch of news outlets claiming that was fake news.
00:29:02.000The judge who gagged the Biden campaign on censorship is, I believe, the same judge who said that the vaccine was not preventing transmission.
00:29:10.000So the vaccine was like... Yeah, the conspiracy theory is such a crazy conspiracy theory.
00:29:15.000So my point is basically like, I see these conflicting and contradictory stories, And then I wonder why it is that people choose to take a stance on something that it's very difficult to understand, instead of just saying like, you know what, honestly, I don't know how you can draw a conclusion on this one.
00:29:34.000I really, for the life of me, even after sitting with Joe Rogan, have never been able to figure out how anyone justifies their stance on ivermectin.
00:29:43.000RFK said that the reason Ivermectin was never approved was because it would end the emergency use authorization for the vaccines, which is just logically inconsistent.
00:29:52.000They granted the EUA to monoclonal antibodies.
00:29:55.000If it were true that there were alternative treatments like Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine, they literally could have just given it an EUA.
00:30:03.000People then make a money argument, I think Alex and I was arguing this, that because Ivermectin is so cheap, they didn't want to give it an EUA, and I say, make that argument!
00:30:10.000I'm not making that argument, I'm literally saying, for RFK Jr.
00:30:12.000to come out and be like, that's the reason they didn't approve it, is because they wanted to sell vaccines, and they needed the EUA, I'm like, that doesn't make sense.
00:30:19.000I hear this kind of stuff all the time and no one ever gives me a legitimate answer.
00:30:23.000So we talk about the studies pertaining to ivermectin.
00:30:59.000How am I supposed to have a conversation with someone when they make a definitive scientific statement on something that I can read all the studies?
00:31:05.000And I'm just like, well, I literally have no idea.
00:31:07.000I can mention, Just the News, for instance, reported there's more data coming out about people suffering from myocarditis, which is now confirmed for many of these vaccines.
00:31:15.000There are concerns around, I think one was polled, I think Johnson & Johnson may have been polled, but ultimately, like, I am not making, again, YouTube, I'm not making any widespread claims about all the vaccines.
00:31:25.000My point is, there is data coming out, but even with this, there is still the simple statistical argument that If you give, if you mandate, 400 million doses of a vaccine, don't be surprised if you get a thousand news stories about adverse events.
00:31:40.000That does not mean there is a higher density of adverse events.
00:31:43.000It does, however, suggest, to the libertarian point, the government should not be mandating medications to people, which is where I'm at.
00:31:51.000Blaming Donald Trump for what Democrat governors did does nothing to convince me of why I should vote for Ron DeSantis.
00:33:07.000When has anyone ever talked about the efficacy of testing criteria?
00:33:14.000Okay, but this was rushed into society.
00:33:16.000This was something that... So if your argument is authoritarianism and government mandates, I agree.
00:33:21.000If your argument is the science was done wrong, I'm like, when has anyone ever known anything about how the science is supposed to be done?
00:33:26.000But Trump rushing it and bragging that he rushed it without proper testing is a problem, and he continues to praise it and double down and say that he saved a hundred million people, when that's not true.
00:34:07.000I am saying, do you think it's a good idea to take credit for something and praise that this is something you did as one of the greatest achievements of mankind?
00:34:16.000I don't know anything about scientific criteria, how things are done, so if someone comes to me and says, I've never researched this before in my life, I know literally nothing about how the labs operate, I know literally nothing about BSL-4 laboratories, therefore I think what Trump did was wrong because I all of a sudden have an opinion on something I've never researched before, I'm just like, okay.
00:34:36.000This doesn't mean anything to me at all.
00:35:13.000This is like, over a long period of time, something directly impacting our lives has been the subject of major political debate, and we have opinions on it, and now we're correlating data points to suggest we think one thing is or isn't.
00:35:24.000The vaccine stuff is, all of a sudden, one day, people had an opinion on a scientific issue they know nothing about.
00:35:29.000There's arguments to be made about why the mandates are bad and why the government shouldn't have a role in mandating things, but when people come, like, people come to me and say, the science was done bad.
00:35:39.000I'll be like, how should the science have been done?
00:35:40.000It should have been done by these standards.
00:35:42.000Have you, do you know anything about those standards?
00:35:44.000Did anyone ever, like, I can't, I have nothing to say to that.
00:36:57.000But I don't understand how someone's going to try and make a scientific argument for which they don't know enough about to use as their moral position, when you will likely lose.
00:37:07.000Now that being said, like, you know, that Hotez RFK debate is hilarious, that he wouldn't do it.
00:37:53.000And I got an experimental vaccine, rushed, and I'm not blaming him for the mandates, as I said before, but I'm sorry, like, can you not take the position and just criticize Trump a little bit and say it's not a good look, it's not something he should do, to continuously praise it and say that he saved 100 million people and take credit for Operation Warp Speed, which Rush did.
00:38:14.000These are opinions on issues of science I have no basis in.
00:38:21.000I just watched this video from, we were watching a Flat Earther video downstairs, and it's really funny, like, I'm not trying to correlate people who have questions about vaccines with Flat Earthers.
00:38:31.000I'm trying to make a point about specifically arguments that were made by some guy in the video not saying the same thing.
00:38:37.000The issue was, the guy kept saying things that he clearly had no knowledge of, because of how he felt about them.
00:38:43.000And I'm like, that's the only issue I take with it.
00:38:46.000I've not measured the curvature of the Earth or anything like that, but it is strange to me when someone's like, you know, I've never had anything to do with any of this science before, I've never tested it, I've never studied it, but here's my thoughts on it and I feel strongly about it.
00:38:58.000And to me, I'm just like, I find that very weird.
00:39:00.000Like, I don't know how you have a position on something you've never experienced before, never researched before, you just heard repeated and all of a sudden you're like, I agree with it.
00:39:21.000And not even speaking to the medical science, I can't verify or confirm or deny any of the numbers you put out there about the jab, but I will say that I would agree with you that Trump's relationship with Fauci and the way he handled the lockdowns was probably one of, if not the greatest weak points of his administration.
00:39:41.000Yeah, I mean that's really when my support for him started dwindling.
00:39:45.000You know, I want to remind everybody again, I am a two-time Trump voter.
00:39:49.000I don't know if people know or if you guys know, but I run this account, or I did, I'm not very active on it anymore, called The Gay Who Strayed, and I started that in 2017 as a gay Trump supporter.
00:39:59.000Like, I wanted to show that all Trump supporters weren't straight white men.
00:40:02.000That's literally why I created the account, you know?
00:40:05.000And I was an avid, avid, like, hardcore Trump supporter.
00:40:09.000I mean, I just posted on Twitter, like, a few nights ago, I was involved in, like, Stop the Steal protests in Milwaukee.
00:40:18.000Like, I was wearing a Trump cape on the news.
00:40:24.000And now I'm out of it, and I'm looking at it, and I'm seeing people still enraptured by him and it, and I'm just like, bro, There's one thing, well there's two big things that have been the focal point of my critiques and it's zealotry and it's deception.
00:41:48.000But no, my support was dwindling then.
00:41:51.000And then after Stop the Steal and after January 6th, What I saw happen, and people go there in support of him, and him abandon people when he said he's gonna go to the Capitol with them.
00:42:51.000But I'm just saying, I'm not saying that he could have pardoned them.
00:42:53.000I'm just saying like, you know, afterwards when they were going through this whole process, he didn't speak about them at all.
00:42:59.000He really stayed hush-hush because J6 was such a big, like, controversial thing in the news and it looked bad for him to speak on it, you know, and get involved.
00:43:06.000But his most ardent supporters were rotting away in solitary confinement while, you know, and he's a billionaire.
00:43:32.000It was long before then, and it had nothing to do with... I mean, I've been a DeSantis fan and supporter, you know, because I saw what he was doing in Florida.
00:43:39.000I mean, Yeah, to be clear, I'm not trying to say, like, oh, this is only for personal reasons to delegitimize.
00:43:45.000I was just curious what separated you from it.
00:43:48.000Well, I just want to say that I do, at the moment, really heavily prefer Trump, but I'm sympathetic to all of those criticisms.
00:44:06.000I think one of the main reasons that Trump is going up in the polls is because of DeSantis' failures and less because of Trump's successes.
00:44:33.000All of All of my followers and supporters were Trump supporters, obviously.
00:44:37.000Every single person that bought something from that store was a Trump supporter.
00:44:41.000Now, three days before the midterm election, Trump decided to have a little meltdown and he went on an unhinged, unprovoked attack against DeSantis and hasn't stopped attacking him since.
00:44:51.000He has started calling him DeSanctimonious and DeSanctus, which I don't know what that means.
00:44:58.000Uh, you know, I believe that the cult of personality is so strong with Donald Trump that these lies and names and slander that he's throwing at DeSantis is literally changing the minds of these people who once, not very long ago, loved DeSantis and were saying, make America Florida.
00:45:15.000How could someone be a Trump supporter to the degree that they would vote for Ron DeSantis until Donald Trump told them not to and then they decided to vote for Trump instead?
00:45:21.000Well, the polls were completely reversed not long ago.
00:46:02.000I'm not saying that they didn't like Trump.
00:46:03.000I'm saying that they saw that DeSantis was a better option.
00:46:07.000And now, between the constant, like, pressure campaign from Trump slandering DeSantis and making everybody think he's some rhino- You know, you talk about AI-generated art.
00:46:16.000I mean, DeSantis posts- I mean, Trump posts on Truth Social around DeSantis riding a rhino.
00:47:16.000In response to bad press, the DeSantis campaign lied and then instead of letting it, ignoring it, they decide to go on the offensive.
00:47:24.000That was one example that personally affected me, and I was like, so that dropped me off
00:47:28.000from 50-50 to 55-45. Then Ron DeSantis published deepfakes, his campaign to the DeSantis War Room,
00:47:36.000and then when I said, yo, that's crossing the line, once again, I started getting intense
00:47:42.000heat from them telling me that they're allowed to do it because Trump once posted a picture
00:47:46.000of Ron riding a rhinoceros, which is laughable.
00:47:48.000Okay, and you and I spoke about this before.
00:47:50.000I don't understand how, you know, these things that are put out by his campaign or by the War Room or by, you know, whatever, accounts and retweeted, whatever the case may be, I don't understand how that can change your support from the actual candidate.
00:48:03.000because like... I can explain it to you. Okay. Yeah, for one, Ron DeSantis has surrounded himself
00:48:08.000by people who are not competent and when faced with not even criticism, the first thing that
00:48:14.000DeSantis people started attacking me for was that I was shocked to find out that Jazz Jennings got
00:48:18.000trans surgery in Florida while he was governor and the response from the campaign was to lie,
00:48:22.000claim it didn't happen, and then tell me that Ron didn't have a time machine.
00:48:26.000Which was like the weirdest thing ever, because all Christina Pesceau had to do was respond to my tweet with a winking emoji saying, Ron's on it.
00:49:10.000It's about Ron's failures, his campaign, and his supporters' inability to address the mistakes he's making, double down and defend everything he does, no matter what, like they're in a cult.
00:49:19.000But again, what does that have to do with the actual candidate and the way Ron DeSantis leads and has led in Florida, which turned Florida into a deep red state?
00:50:41.000And Ron DeSantis is currently on a similar path and I don't like it.
00:50:44.000And Ron DeSantis won't own up to his mistakes and I don't like it.
00:50:47.000And Donald Trump was never my first pick and I didn't vote for him in 2016 and I only liked his foreign policy and him banning government contracts with woke companies.
00:50:54.000I will take Donald Trump right now because he's more likely to fire people than Ron is.
00:50:59.000But he's going to hire Lindsey Graham.
00:51:01.000The more the DeSantis people lie about what that position is, the more I'm just going to keep pointing out that the DeSantis supporters are just lying about what's going on and refuse to accept that Ron has screwed up.
00:51:12.000If you can't, look, I don't care if Ron wins or loses.
00:53:52.000Trump will win because his supporters are crazy.
00:53:56.000Because if people like me and Luke, the libertarians and disaffected liberals who come on this show, if their experience of Trump supporters tends to be arguments and their experience of DeSantis supporters tends to be vitriol, they're going to lean against DeSantis.
00:54:12.000I just want to be clear when I say his supporters are crazy.
00:54:19.000So many people in my organization are Trump supporters.
00:54:22.000When I talk about the crazy ones, I'm talking about these Trump ideologues that are enraptured by the cult of personalities.
00:54:30.000I want to make that very clear because I don't like attacking people like that and I'm not trying to paint a broad brush.
00:54:36.000Couldn't you say that's also something that happens in different candidacies?
00:54:40.000Like, there are people who are absolutely diehard DeSantis fans who are just gonna agree with whatever he says, and they're gonna be extremely angry with you if you criticize them.
00:54:48.000And this is something I've noticed, by the way, right?
00:54:50.000So, I think, with the way I've been careful about my messaging, I haven't really said anything all that bombastic.
00:54:57.000My main points about, like, the Trump-DeSantis thing have basically been, I think it's not great for the Republican Party that these two guys are fighting in an ideal world.
00:55:17.000Part of me goes, it's sad because I think DeSantis does have a lot to offer this country, but that said, even when I've said things like, I think that Trump has a far broader appeal with respect to his charismatic powers than DeSantis, and I don't think DeSantis gets people as excited, I've had people very angry with me just for saying that, which I think is a very mild criticism.
00:55:38.000You know, regarding what you said earlier, that Trump supporters are crazy, I think maybe it was a little heavy-handed what you said, that it's that, in my opinion, that cultism is crazy.
00:55:48.000People that fall into cultism are falling into a crazy methodology.
00:55:52.000Not that they themselves are, it's just that that is a crazy way to behave.
00:55:55.000To love someone no matter what is a crazy way to behave.
00:55:58.000Well, if you look at the signs, there's this graphic that was floating around, like the seven signs you're in a cult, and all of them, you know, Let me look these up.
00:56:44.000I have criticized, you know, the ad, the Pride ad that went out.
00:56:49.000I don't think it was nearly as bad as... I do have a tweet if you want to look it up, like a week... Again, I have no sense of time, but very recently when the ad came out that wasn't put out by his campaign, it should be noted, but I was critical of it.
00:57:01.000I was saying, do I love to see that as a, you know, as a right-wing lesbian?
00:57:30.000The rest of them are all the same as Atlantic.
00:57:31.000No, it was in an image format, it wasn't an article.
00:57:34.000I think cultism and politics are interesting because you like to think you're voting for ideas and policies, but you're really just voting for a human that can turn on you at any moment.
00:57:43.000Yes, and that is a massively important point.
00:57:47.000We should be greatly concerned with a person's policies, but one thing that has always driven me crazy about the left Is whenever one of their leaders gets caught up in something like a sex scandal, and this was huge with Clinton, their response is to say, well, we shouldn't care about the moral quality of our candidates, all we should care about are the policies, as if they're not a human being, they're just a set of policy prescriptions.
00:58:09.000No, you need a leader in that position, so you want someone who behaves morally.
00:58:12.000And I think it's perfectly legitimate to point out the immoral behaviors of any candidate in any party, and I'm completely willing to bite the bullet on that with Trump.
00:58:21.000But what really drives me crazy is when I do point out just the human appeal, the fact that there's more charisma with Trump and people say, well, you know, policy matters more.
00:58:30.000I can say, in a sense, yes, absolutely.
00:58:32.000If it were up to me, we would just choose people based on policy.
00:58:34.000But when you're picking a candidate, the thing you do have to consider is, are people going to want to grab a beer with this guy?
00:58:40.000Because that's going to determine how many people vote.
00:58:44.000Oh, age is another one, not necessarily age but health of the brain, brain health.
00:58:48.000These are all reasons why last year I was saying Ron DeSantis was the guy for the job.
00:58:54.000Trump's old, Ron's younger, Ron's got great policies.
00:58:58.000How about no more geriatrics in the White House?
00:59:01.000He's got youthful vigor and military service, things that Donald Trump doesn't have.
00:59:05.000And then when Donald Trump relaunched his campaign, and there were a few key issues, especially relating to the war in Ukraine, and I don't- I believe Trump will end it over- I don't think even Trump as a person with words will end it.
00:59:17.000I think the Trump persona will be a contributing factor in ending it, which I talked about earlier.
00:59:21.000Uh, put me at like a, I don't know, we'll see, you know, 50-50.
00:59:23.000I like Ron DeSantis, he's a great, great proven track record in Florida.
00:59:26.000And then Ron made a bunch of mistakes.
00:59:28.000Notably, the big issue, one of the big issues for me was the deepfake thing.
01:00:16.000No, you can say that both are bad and you can say that one of the issues with DeSantis making these deepfakes is that it's a great deflection point for Trump.
01:00:27.000If DeSantis wants to bring up Trump's relationship with Fauci during the debates or any other candidate that wants to bring that up, Trump just goes, more lies, more deepfakes, and he can say that credibly because there was a deepfake.
01:00:37.000I mean, I guess, but I think voters are smart enough to understand that people are bringing up, you know, how he handed the presidency over to him and not just like a two-second clip from a quick ad like a year ago.
01:00:49.000But the thing is, like, a quick soundbite response is very persuasive to the American public.
01:00:55.000So for Trump just being able to say, you've made deep fakes of me and Fauci, we're not going to listen to you, you have no credibility here, is going to be a massive asset for Trump in the debate.
01:01:01.000And the moderator is going to say, this is correct.
01:01:37.000The danger I see with deepfakes is that we're still early in the technology, so in four years, you'll be able to make a video of someone doing whatever you want, and it will look exactly real life.
01:01:45.000And if you put real life Jamie, if I put that over the video of you doing something that you didn't do, even if I think metaphorically it counts, that's dirty.
01:01:54.000I think that it would be a lot worse if it was Trump, like, sucking some dude off, right?
01:01:58.000Like, that would never be in a campaign ad, but something that, like, is very obviously, you know, in real life never happened.
01:02:06.000Maybe it did, but I'm just saying, like, him hugging Fauci in a picture, a fake picture, when he actually, like, embraced him.
01:02:15.000Figuratively, and like for over a year, two years or something, I don't think that that's comparable to like a deep fake of me, you know, kissing a guy, proving that I'm straight, you know, like trying to say, see, she's straight.
01:03:01.000Media is gonna start, they've already announced, I think, GMG, Gizmodo Media, I think it's Gizmodo Media Group, is firing journalists, they're gonna do AI content instead.
01:03:08.000But AI can only imitate, it can't create.
01:03:11.000So what happens is, instead of new information getting generated, it regurgitates existing information, feeds it back into the AI and creates a feedback loop.
01:03:19.000So what DeSantis did is a component of that very, very bad thing.
01:03:24.000Should not have happened, crosses the Rubicon into very dangerous territories where we're going to start seeing very subtle manipulations in politics.
01:03:39.000So Ron DeSantis goes to zero so long as he's done the unthinkable.
01:03:42.000Okay, I still think it's, in my opinion, not worth abandoning your support of the potential, you know, I mean, the greatest politician I believe in the Republican Party right now, that is running for president, that shines against Trump in every way.
01:03:57.000You know, that's just my opinion, and I respect yours, Tim.
01:04:00.000And like I said, we should be able to have these conversations, okay?
01:04:03.000Like, you know, this isn't Twitter, we should be able to have a healthy debate.
01:04:07.000Yeah, we are having healthy but like and still be on good terms.
01:04:53.000But the revelation was made in a lawsuit that Epps filed against Fox News on Wednesday that accused the network and former host Tucker Carlson of defaming him.
01:04:59.000So it is because of this lawsuit that he is, I'm sorry, it is because of the lawsuit we know he's been criminally charged, I suppose the argument they're making is that he's being charged because of them or something, I don't know.
01:05:18.000We'll play make-believe for a moment and we'll say, you know what, this is just some guy who went there, he wasn't working with any kind of federal agency, and he hasn't been protected by his status as someone who worked with them.
01:05:32.000Even so, even if we want to say that's the case, Good.
01:06:27.000I've spoken about Ray Epps a bit in the past.
01:06:29.000We've had some conversations about him and about January 6th and just how interesting it is that he was so clearly involved in instigating and yet he never got in any trouble.
01:06:38.000Look, him being charged is a win-win regardless.
01:06:41.000When you look at how many people were rotting away in prison in solitary confinement, were having their rights violated for doing things like entering the building, just a fraction of it.
01:06:49.000When you look what happened to Brandon Strzoka, they claimed he was outside of the Capitol and they claim That they heard him saying that people should go in, or something along those lines, and there's not even footage of him saying it, they just claim the voice saying it on camera is him, and then he ended up having to plea down to avoid prison time, and this guy was whispering in people's ears, telling them to break barriers down, was telling people on January 5th that they needed to go into the Capitol, and here it is, July of 2023, and he's now being charged?
01:07:49.000They said, The lawsuit alleges the network, particularly its former host Tucker Carlson, painted Epps as an undercover federal agent in order to push a conspiracy that the FBI helped orchestrate the riot.
01:07:58.000In the aftermath of the events of January 6th, Fox News searched for a scapegoat to blame other than Donald Trump or the Republican Party.
01:08:04.000Eventually, they turned on one of their own, telling a fantastical story in which Ray Epps, who was a Trump supporter that participated in the protests on January 6th, We went from insurrection to riot to protest real fast right there.
01:08:19.000They said he was an undercover agent, was responsible for the mob that broke into the Capitol and interfered with the peaceful transition of power, the conspiracy theory, blah blah blah, fed fed fed.
01:08:29.000Do they mention here that he's being criminally charged?
01:08:34.000They said in May they were notified by the- that was the other article, it said that in May they were notified.
01:09:01.000It says, Epps has not been arrested for his involvement, and Carlson and others have alleged the Justice Department is protecting him because of working for the FBI.
01:09:09.000Yet, in the lawsuit, Epps says he's being criminally charged.
01:09:44.000Finally, in May 23, the Department of Justice notified Epps that it would seek to charge him criminally for the events on January 6, 2021.
01:09:50.000Two and a half years later, the relentless attacks by Fox and Mr. Carlson and the resulting political pressure likely resulted in the criminal charges.
01:09:58.000Wow, Tucker Carlson, can I buy you a beer?
01:10:06.000The question is, when they publish these kinds of stories trying to smear Tucker, and Apps is the person we're supposed to be sympathetic to, who do they think is going to buy that?
01:10:16.000Like, who in the country is going to go, oh man, because everyone on the right is going to say either A, this guy's a fed, or B, He's somebody who got away with it when he shouldn't have, when you look at people rotting in prison over far lesser wrongdoing.
01:10:29.000And what the left is gonna say is, this guy's an insurrectionist!
01:10:32.000Who do they think this is appealing to?
01:10:36.000Yeah, right, like, Detector Carlson accused him of inciting violence at the Capitol, and now he's gonna get charged for it, and Rolling Stone's defending him.
01:11:52.000They announced that they were going to charge him in May, but I haven't heard anything about it until today, which is two and a half months later.
01:12:16.000Showing him walking through the halls with a police escort and them even trying to open doors for him.
01:12:20.000And he also exposed Right Apps as one of the people inciting the violence and tearing down the barricades, telling people to go inside.
01:12:29.000The thing about this whole January 6th thing is you'll find most people, even Donald Trump himself says there were bad people there, they should be charged, but some of them, many of them weren't.
01:12:38.000I think everybody agrees the violence, the fighting was bad.
01:12:40.000Even Trump posted on January 6th, our side believes in law enforcement.
01:12:45.000The media tried lying about all of it, trying to claim that he was egging people on to go there for violence.
01:12:52.000Tucker Carlson exposes the lies and the manipulations.
01:12:56.000While also criticizing someone who actually incited violence.
01:13:00.000That is the balanced, honest, and moderate approach to what happened.
01:13:03.000We don't like the violence on January 6th.
01:13:05.000We don't like the innocent people being charged.
01:13:29.000And when right wing pundits say things that sound totally innocuous, they're actually right wing pundits.
01:13:33.000They're actually telling us to do something evil.
01:13:35.000So Trump activated that magic power, and he said, go over there peacefully and have your voice heard.
01:13:40.000And of course, what he was really saying is, you know, like, enter the building and commit acts of violence.
01:13:44.000Now, Ray Epps, on the other hand, when he was saying, enter the Capitol, what he was actually dog-whistling was, be peaceful and have your voice heard.
01:14:13.000You know, it was all big misunderstanding and now he's going to jail.
01:14:15.000He's going to jail because of Tucker Carlson and his fake news.
01:14:18.000I mean, seriously, these people- hold on a second.
01:14:20.000Does anyone in the media think that Tucker Carlson has any influence over who's charged?
01:14:25.000The only reason he has any say on this or that he's related to this is because he showed actual footage of what the guy was doing to the American people to the point where the media couldn't ignore it.
01:14:33.000Tucker Carlson can't just fabricate charges against the person and then have that person go to jail.
01:15:33.000I only saw, like, the first ten minutes, but, you know, regardless of who it is that he's interviewing, I just love how many views his videos, you know, this show of his is getting on Twitter.
01:15:44.000Because, I mean, every day more and more you just continue to see that legacy media is irrelevant and is dying, and everybody should celebrate that.
01:15:54.000Dude, his Twitter picture is like him in a leather jacket, too.
01:16:02.000Here, check this story out from Daily Mail.
01:16:03.000MSNBC's Micah Brzezinski blames 80-year-old Biden's staff for making him look old, argues his aides should be making sure he doesn't fall over and should be controlling his schedule.
01:16:42.000And she's saying that the handlers should, like, let him know ahead of time, you're gonna be walking off over here, there should be people waving him, things like that.
01:16:48.000But at the same time, she's also kind of admitting that he's 80 and frail, like, mentally not stable.
01:16:52.000Because, like, realistically, you look around really quick, you're the president.
01:17:15.000That, you know, the speech impediment one was wild enough, when he said poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids, or, you know, when he said 200-abit of pressure, or bad calf care... I agree with bad calf care.
01:19:14.000As much as they want to rag on it and say it's a QAnon film, the majority of critics are like, it's a good movie. 80%.
01:19:20.000And now that it's number one, let's keep supporting films like this so that we can have alternatives to Hollywood and the creepy grooming stuff that they try and do in these films and the weird woke ideology.
01:20:33.000Now, let me ask you guys, why would Hollywood not run a film like this.
01:20:37.000I can't imagine a possible incentive they would have to not want people to care about the issues of child trafficking and other related problems.
01:20:45.000You know, their response to it just, I mean, they just tell on themselves.
01:20:53.000Like, I don't know, they're kind of, it puts them in a catch-22.
01:20:56.000Like, they can't support it because they don't want it exposed, but if they, you know, come out against it like they have been, it makes them look sus as There's that viral tweet where it's a guy who was like a writer at one of these digital outlets was claiming, he tweeted something like, the only reason conservatives keep complaining about kids being shown graphic material is because they secretly want to show kids graphic material.
01:21:45.000If you're, like, I want, uh, literally with every single issue, uh, if you're against grooming, oh, well, actually, like, you secretly want to groom.
01:22:12.000That someone's constantly talking about how something is evil.
01:22:16.000Maybe then they are the one that's perpetrating it and they want everyone to think they're not.
01:22:20.000I understand that methodology, but that doesn't mean that if you claim something is evil or wrong that you secretly want to do it.
01:22:26.000The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
01:22:28.000We live in a culture where so many horrible, degenerate things have been normalized, so it makes sense that people would pay attention to that and want to fix that, but whenever you do, it's, well, that's kind of interesting that you pay so much attention to that.
01:22:40.000It's like, what, one of the number one culture war issues in the country right now?
01:22:43.000You think it's weird that I paid attention to that?
01:22:45.000How dare we care about children being abused sexually and otherwise?
01:22:51.000It's basically accusing someone of virtue signaling.
01:22:54.000Uh, it is Queen Gertrude, in response to insincere overacting of a character, uh, to prove his uncle's guilt, blah blah blah, the lady doth protest too much, methinks.
01:23:03.000I'm just gonna say that to people now who are virtue signaling.
01:24:27.000I also think that if you can, it's good to contribute to the free ticket funds that they have for people who can't afford to go see the movie but would like to.
01:24:36.000Have you heard about there's a bunch of videos being shared on social media of people being kicked out of the theaters and getting refunded?
01:25:02.000So the report actually brings up that there's several different videos where people in various theaters are told for some reason they gotta evacuate the theater and they're given a refund and no explanation why.
01:25:11.000There's like Mr. Smith's all over the place trying to get people, you know, from the Matrix trying to get people to not see it.
01:25:16.000They're just like, oh no, there's a fire, you have to leave.
01:25:26.000There are parts that are very painful.
01:25:29.000I'm not sure how much I can say without spoiling it, but it... It almost, um... What's good about it is...
01:25:37.000At the end, you do feel motivated to want to do something, because I don't think, like, just given the nature of the problem, it's not a story that they can just tie in a neat little bow.
01:25:46.000You get that with Hollywood films a lot.
01:25:47.000The problem's solved, everything's fine, and it gives the audience a sense of satisfaction.
01:25:51.000It's a movie that you watch, and it's impactful, and it's more than a worthwhile watch, but you walk out of the theater feeling like there's so much that needs to be done.
01:25:59.000It doesn't just spoon-feed you a victory like so many films do.
01:26:02.000Like an archaeology dig where you find some of the artifact, but you haven't, you've just seen the tip.
01:26:11.000And there are, like, there are incredible true stories that are told through that film about people who were rescued, and obviously seeing anyone rescued is a wonderful thing to see, but the film doesn't shy away from letting you know that the problem's far from solved, right?
01:26:23.000Like, the day has not been totally saved.
01:27:26.000It's like you feel rage, you feel sorrow, you feel hope.
01:27:29.000The film, it takes you on a roller coaster, but the film, it's not just like it's this emotional experience that you'll get from films sometimes where it's totally aimless and they're just manipulating you.
01:28:04.000Yeah, his wife is an incredible woman.
01:28:07.000I was reading some of the differences between the film and his real story, and I'll let him share on air what he wants to share, what he's here, because it'll be more impactful for him.
01:28:15.000But some of what his wife said was like, just her involvement and support is incredible.
01:28:21.000Incredible like what a sacrifice for a wife to make yeah, but oh jeez well.
01:28:26.000We'll go into it tomorrow This dude's like I know we got a bunch of kids, but I'm gonna save a whole bunch of other people's kids And she's like okay.
01:28:35.000It's it's it's incredible that was when I first cried is when I I don't want to- I don't think it's spoiling it, but when she- It's too soon.
01:29:14.000No, it's great, but how did that happen?
01:29:18.000Ah, a lot of hard work, prayer, and providence.
01:29:21.000And I'll also mention this, like, just to reaffirm what I'm saying here and help hit this point home, like, you don't want to be watching this at your house, checking your phone, there's distractions everywhere, like, go see this film in theaters, support it as much as you possibly can while it's still out.
01:29:38.000I mean, I really, really, really want to recommend everybody go see this.
01:29:43.000We gotta call it the Sound of Freedom Effect.
01:29:45.000When, like, we can prove that the issues we care about, we will stop spending money on garbage and we will start spending money on good stuff.
01:29:55.000We'll download apps like Public Square, and we're gonna tell the old guard and the machine we don't need them anymore.
01:30:01.000So a film like this succeeding does two things.
01:30:04.000It makes child trafficking the forefront of major issues that we need to address, and we should.
01:30:08.000Which, of course, the establishment for some reason is very worried about.
01:31:00.000Keep your church group together to go see it.
01:31:02.000They'll pop up a barcode at the end of the movie after the credits where you can scan it with your cell phone to pay it forward for someone else or to find free tickets if you know someone that can't afford it.
01:31:13.000They're like, it sounds weird, but pull out your phone right now.
01:31:15.000If you have like an adult's group or young adult's group or something at your church, I'm sure most, I'm sure a lot of churches are already doing this, but this is something that you should plan.
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01:31:47.000We'll talk about some, uh, some, uh, you know, spicy issues.
01:31:50.000Before we get into that, can I just talk very briefly about Gays Against Girls?
01:31:55.000I just want to say, if you guys want to learn more, we are also in the business of saving kids from the radical alphabet ideology that is destroying the youth right now, that is telling them that they are sexual beings.
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01:32:21.000And I'd be remiss if I didn't squeeze that in there.
01:33:50.000It actually works out really well because I have to make the joke that crazy people accuse me of stealing their spoons and putting them on the moon.
01:33:57.000Like, I talk about, like, I'm not worried about saying people.
01:34:00.000People can have arguments and, like, people don't like me.
01:34:03.000The worst thing that's ever happened in that regard is, like, I'm walking down the street in New York and someone's like, F you, Tim Pool, and I'm like, oh, hey.
01:34:08.000What worries me is crazy people who are, like, ranting and scratching the walls and they're like, he stole my spoons, man.
01:35:31.000Well, I said this I think yesterday or the day before while I was talking about this, but it's very possible that this is going to be a film some people can't get through.
01:35:40.000However, if you go to see it and you have to get up and walk out of the theater, there's a conversation I was having with my parents.
01:35:46.000My mom said, I want to see it, but I'm worried that, you know, it's going to be too hard for me to watch.
01:35:50.000And what I said is, Go see it, and if you really need to get up and leave the theater, because it's too hardcore for you, it's too difficult to watch, which it very well might be, you will know that your money funded a good cause and helped spread awareness.
01:36:05.000And it's not wasted, because it's not like you're going to see a movie and that it isn't good, so you walk out of it and the money is poorly spent.
01:36:12.000This is an important movie that's raising awareness, even if you can't sit through the whole thing, it's worth buying a ticket and going to see it.
01:37:13.000Yeah, I know, but when you do it, like any good- I mean, you're great at it anyway, but it would be, I don't know, maybe just a change of direction for a little while?
01:37:24.000Next week I'm going to a doctor who's going to be, like, injecting my leg with things and, like, the camera and they gotta fix cartilage and stuff.
01:37:32.000We'll do, uh, if you guys would like to see Tim starring in a movie, put one on the show.
01:40:55.000He's a Democrat, you know, because he's okay on one issue and is exposing some stuff that, you know, are bringing things to the conversation.
01:41:04.000But he should be the presidential nominee for Democrats.
01:41:32.000So do farmers have farmer jokes where they're hanging out at the farmer's bar or whatever and it's like, why are John Deere tractors green?
01:41:38.000So they can hide in the grass as the red ones do the real work.
01:43:14.000I mean, that's a powerful ticket, but I just don't know if Vivek has the... There's like a persona, there's like a character, there's like a demeanor, there's like... It's not just about policy, it's not the only thing that matters.
01:43:27.000What matters is... Leadership isn't always just about having the idea, and the example I often give is when I was at Occupy Wall Street, and this guy gets up on the planner and he goes, um, should we march, everybody?
01:43:39.000And everyone just shrugs and looks around, and then some woman goes, Mike Jack!
01:48:59.000For everybody who's like, I'm going to tell people about Sound of Freedom, y'all should be telling people about Viva and Barnes, and Stick Sex and Hammer, and Timcast IRL, and insert other show.
01:49:09.000It's weird, there's one show you didn't mention.
01:49:10.000There's one show you didn't mention, which is kind of crazy.
01:49:21.000And then once you're exhausted, and you're tired, and you have nothing else, and you want to just get a chuckle, you know there's Freedom Tunes.
01:49:42.000Matt Bowler says, Tim is beyond illogical by saying it's weird that people who have issues voiced upon them go all in with learning about norms and standards, especially coming from someone who dropped out of school.
01:49:52.000I don't quite understand what your point is.
01:49:55.000I'm not sure how that applies to what I was arguing.
01:49:59.000It's weird that people who have issues foist upon them go all in with learning about norms and standards.
01:50:05.000I don't understand what he's trying to say.
01:50:07.000Like, I understand you're making a reference to the argument I made about people who are adamant about issues that have been thrust upon them that they've never experienced before, but I don't know what that has to do with me not going to high school.
01:52:03.000So I went to... I ended up going to school for animation, and there was a class where we were, you know, everyone sort of had to produce a short film, and there were kids who had literally never made an animated short film before.
01:52:47.000But I can understand that, because even when we've talked to people like Dave Smith, he's been like, yeah, the foreign policy might be something we just want to get.
01:54:08.000Like, quite literally... It's like, if, if I don't go now, what ends up happening is, then next week it's a day off for a consultation, then next week it's like two days off for scans, or it's like I can go to a specialist and they're like, we can get it all done in one week.
01:54:21.000Yeah, it's better to just get it over with.
01:54:23.000Super brutal, I have to like sleep in the hospital one night.
01:56:06.000There are certainly problems with Trump supporters as well, but I don't like the idea of producing deepfakes with the direct intention of manipulating the public with things that never happened.
01:56:17.000Yeah, so to make a video that says real-life Trump and intersperse manufactured images with real images in order to trick people... I'm just messing with you now.
01:56:26.000No, but it is funny that it's like... Ron DeSantis is hoping to trick Trump supporters or conservatives into voting for him by making fake images about what Trump did.
01:56:34.000Yeah, he doesn't need to trick them, that's the thing.
01:56:36.000That's exactly, he could have just been like...
01:56:38.000He didn't even need that one second, I don't even know why he did it.
01:56:40.000But guys, you do understand that Ron DeSantis himself did not make the ad.
01:56:44.000Like, you talk about Ron DeSantis, you can talk about the campaign, maybe, but, like, saying you're anti-Ron DeSantis, the person, the politician, the candidate, because of something that, you know, an ad team... Okay?
01:56:57.000I mean, but still, like, I just... I was really just poking fun again, but that's, you know...
01:57:45.000One of the arguments that was put forward by DeSantis supporters was that Trump had, Republicans had made a deepfake of a future under Joe Biden.
01:57:53.000And it was a bunch of deepfake images of like the apocalypse having happened.
01:57:58.000And then DeSantis supporters brought up The Photoshop of Ron riding a rhinoceros, which is very obviously not real.
01:58:04.000It's like there's a big difference between a hypothetical artistic future, a meme, and an image that says real life Trump on it and has fake pictures.
01:58:12.000To be fair, the image didn't even look real.
01:58:14.000It was like clearly artistic, like an artistic rendition.
01:58:18.000The three images they posted alongside the three real images?
01:58:20.000I only know the... I haven't seen the ad in... How long ago was that?
01:58:55.000It looks like it was in response to the June 2nd image of Ron riding a rhino, which you should see if you haven't seen it, because he's smiling.
01:59:04.000Okay, so they were artistic renditions.
01:59:06.000Like, they looked like they were... They wrote real-life Trump over it and put it next to real photos.
01:59:09.000But they looked like they were AI-generated.
01:59:11.000Like, they did not even look... They didn't.
01:59:12.000They looked real if you didn't examine them.
01:59:14.000I think that they looked like... Oh, you saw them?
01:59:15.000Yeah, no, I, I, the one that's like, you could bring it back up, but like, the one that I have in my head that I can remember clearly looks like, almost like a painting.
01:59:24.000Like, it's not, it doesn't look like a photo, like if I were to just snap a picture right now of you.
01:59:27.000The average person didn't stop the video and then inspect the small 64 by 64 pixel image to determine whether it was real or not.
01:59:34.000I still think the whole thing is silly.
01:59:35.000That's why it was a, it was a week afterwards people figured out he did it, and then people were like, whoa, wait, what?
01:59:42.000So it's a combination of, it's like, you can make the argument that he made a fake photo and said, this is what Trump does, and then say I was making a gag.
01:59:48.000It's another thing to put three of them next to three real photos and then tag it, real life Trump, and then put subtext, like, put quoted text over it so it's, like, harder to see.
01:59:56.000But what's the difference between that and, like, making a meme, like, making a photo, like, photoshopping something of somebody with somebody?
02:00:03.000Like, like, let's say, you know, a photoshopped picture of a candidate with Like Trump and Hillary.
02:00:07.000I mean, you don't have to photoshop that because that's a real thing.
02:00:10.000People shouldn't make fake things to trick other people to gain political power.
02:00:14.000Okay, we've spent way too much time on this point.
02:00:28.000I mean, he's the visible face of the Invisible Father.
02:00:31.000That would not be a violation of the commandments.
02:00:34.000Also, basically, he's referring to first and second commandments.
02:00:38.000The way, like, Protestants and Catholics number the Ten Commandments is a bit different.
02:00:43.000So, we consider, like, graven images or idolatry to be lumped in with the first commandment, I'm not taking other gods before him, and it doesn't prohibit you from having images of things, and especially not an image of God, I don't understand how that would even track.
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