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00:04:37.000Alright, let's jump into this big breaking news story, ladies and gentlemen, breaking.
00:04:43.000Manhattan grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump.
00:04:47.000Trump will be the first former president to be indicted.
00:04:50.000The grand jury's vote regards an alleged settlement made With adult film actress Stormy Daniels during the former president's 2016 campaign, according to five people with knowledge of the matter per the New York Times, Trump and Daniels allegedly had a sexual encounter in 2006, according to the claim.
00:05:05.000Trump is the first former president to face criminal charges after office.
00:05:09.000While the specific charges are currently unknown, an indictment is expected to be announced as Trump
00:05:14.000will be asked to surrender and face arraignment. A lawyer for the former president confirmed his
00:05:18.000indictment shortly after the initial announcement, the AP reported. In a March 18th Truth Social
00:05:23.000Post, Trump said he would be arrested on the 21st and called for people to protest and take
00:05:28.000our nation back. Okay, so basically after that, they postponed the indictment.
00:05:34.000Then a bunch of people who are, you know, conservative but not pro-Trump started saying, Trump's grifting, he's lying, it's not gonna happen.
00:05:40.000Then today they announced, I think it was today they announced, the grand jury was gonna be suspended for a month.
00:05:44.000And then all of a sudden, just like a couple hours ago, they announced they voted to indict Donald Trump.
00:05:49.000So, obviously, my opinion on this, as we've talked about it before, is this is silly and stupid, but while we have you, man, what do you think?
00:05:57.000I mean, if he committed a crime, I think he should have the book thrown at him.
00:05:59.000I think generally this is a misdemeanor crime.
00:06:01.000Usually there's a statute of limitations, but if records were falsified in an attempt to cover up another crime, then the statute of limitations is extended.
00:06:10.000But I don't think any of us have seen the indictment yet, so I wait until they unseal the indictment to see how silly or stupid I think it is.
00:06:15.000But hey, if he broke the law, I think he should have the book thrown at him.
00:06:17.000Even ex-presidents, I don't believe, are above the law.
00:06:43.000It's fair to say we don't know for sure but it seems that way especially considering the dude campaigned on investigating Trump.
00:06:50.000They spent years and this was the best they could come up with that Cohen paid Stormy Daniels to not write a book or give an interview or whatever about banging Trump and that Trump tried claiming it was legal fees despite the fact that a letter was put out 2018 where Cohen's lawyer said Cohen paid for it out of pocket, was never reimbursed.
00:07:10.000So I mean like that feels kind of like exculpatory evidence outright which makes this seem political.
00:07:14.000So do you think that the payments to him that were recorded in the book, do you think that's all fake?
00:07:24.000Because, like, the thing that drives me the craziest, it happens to the Andrew Tate stuff, too, where things will come out and people immediately say, this is political, it's partisan.
00:07:30.000It's like, why don't I just wait until the indictments come out?
00:08:08.000I imagine you've gone through legal stuff, right?
00:08:10.000Not like a dedicated one, but I have a couple, depending on what I'm going through, yeah.
00:08:13.000Do you go through their itemized invoices?
00:08:16.000You might, I mean, I don't know if you do or not.
00:08:19.000I've never made a single payment of over $10,000 to a lawyer, so usually they send me the itemized thing and they bill by every 15 minutes or 10 minutes or whatever.
00:08:27.000These bills that Trump's paying are over hundreds of thousands of dollars?
00:08:30.000I think for Cohen, wasn't it like $330,000 or something at the end of the day?
00:08:34.000And so, I really doubt Trump was handed this invoice, looked at it, and said, no, no, we can't say we paid Stormy, that's illegal, let's falsify this record.
00:08:43.000He probably got a legal bill and was like, just pay him, I don't know, whatever.
00:09:17.000I don't know who the letter was filed with.
00:09:20.000Something that Rosenstein said that I think was really important when he was asked for questioning—this was like three or four years ago, I think—is he would get very irritated when he was brought before Congress and claims of the media—I think Jim Jordan did this to him—claims from the media would be brought before him and they'd say, well, what do you think about this?
00:09:34.000And he'd say, well, I don't think that's true.
00:09:36.000And he's like, do you think they're lying?
00:09:37.000And something Rosenstein said was, well, if you think they're lying, bring them and have them testify under oath.
00:09:41.000So I think it's important when we look at people's statements, people will say a lot of things.
00:09:45.000We saw this with Giuliani and his claims about Trump.
00:09:47.000People say a lot of things and then when they're under oath, their stories change significantly.
00:09:50.000So I'd always be cautious to compare statements made under oath to something that some guy might have just said in a letter or said to the press or said to a friend.
00:10:30.000You want to get into the debate about Barack Obama blowing up a kid?
00:10:32.000Because I would absolutely love to talk about that.
00:10:35.000Look, if they want to give Trump a misdemeanor charge and lock him up for however many months a misdemeanor gets him, I would absolutely be willing to agree, you're right, he's got to be charged.
00:11:04.000Obviously, you can kill people in self-defense, but Obama bombed a civilian restaurant in Yemen, a country we're not at war with, killing civilians, including a 16-year-old American citizen.
00:11:13.000Like, you can't—if you're in the military, you can't just—or a cop—you can't just go and kill somebody.
00:11:19.000Yeah, but I imagine the justification Obama would use was that this was in defense of U.S.
00:11:23.000interests or defense of the United States, and in his role as Commander-in-Chief, the President of the United States has offered wide deference from the Supreme Court for taking actions in the commission of protecting the United States, even if we disagree with him.
00:11:34.000I mean... But that's fine, but there's a different question of, like, is it illegal versus do you think it's criminal, like, bad, right?
00:11:38.000It's probably bad, I guess, but, like... So the Obama administration's argument was that they were trying to target a terrorist leader, but I'm not... I mean, you make a fair point, but I'd be willing to argue that the president does not have the authority to bomb countries we are not at war with.
00:11:54.000Well, what about when Trump assassinated Soleimani?
00:12:20.000I think, generally, the United States president killing American citizens is generally a bad thing, unless there's really good justification for it.
00:12:25.000But there's a difference between that versus, is it illegal?
00:12:27.000And I think that the law tends to—we argued about this a little bit before the show—when Trump was doing things at the border that we thought, when I say we progressives and the left got really mad at, the Supreme Court tended to side with him because the president has given wide deference over matters of national security.
00:12:46.000It was over banning certain people coming into the country.
00:12:48.000Um, when he, he named the, there were seven Muslim-majority countries, and when he was running for president, even Giuliani said, he's trying to find ways to do a Muslim-majority ban.
00:12:57.000Technically, he's not allowed to do that.
00:12:58.000Venezuela, North Korea are on that list though.
00:13:00.000Yeah, well, he changed it up, I think, after the first one didn't go through for whatever reason, but once he did that ban, when people tried to challenge it, the Supreme Court basically said, eh, president, border, he can do almost anything he wants, because it's the president of the border.
00:13:10.000Yeah, but that's not blowing up a kid.
00:13:12.000I didn't say it was blowing up a kid, but I was saying that, in general, you would think that, like, when we're talking, like, border, if we're talking about, like, passing policy at the border, that seems like a congressional thing.
00:13:20.000Like, we should be passing laws about immigration policy.
00:13:22.000But the president can do that basically all on his own because the Supreme Court's like, hey, he's the president, national security, he can do almost whatever he wants.
00:13:35.000So I think that a president who bombs a country we're not at war with should be stripped of his power and criminally charged for killing an American citizen.
00:13:43.000And it should be literally under the U.S.
00:13:46.000murder statutes that are covered by multiple state and federal laws.
00:13:51.000I don't look at it like, well, you know... Is a murder statute, could I, in Tennessee, get arrested if I bomb somebody in Yemen?
00:13:56.000Is that a... I don't know what the... I mean, that's a good point.
00:14:01.000I mean, that might be, like, way worse than murder.
00:14:04.000It might be terroristic, international, there might... Like, I'm pretty sure if you, as an American citizen, set off a bomb in a foreign country, you'd be criminally charged in the U.S.
00:14:12.000Yeah, but I don't know if they'd be under state statutes, right?
00:14:14.000That sounds like something... Federal.
00:14:23.000I mean, the dude's never even been... was never in this country, and they went after him, so... I just think that when we... I think it's really important that we separate conversations of what should somebody be charged with versus, like, what do we think is wrong.
00:14:33.000And I think both conversations are important.
00:14:34.000We could talk about, like, is this wrong or is it not wrong, and there's probably a good conversation to be had there, but there's a difference between that versus, like, somebody needs to be charged here, because, like, well, charged with what?
00:14:41.000Is there actually a crime broken, or is it just like we're really upset about this particular thing?
00:15:01.000And I think if we're gonna just play, like, the question of, is it legal?
00:15:06.000Well, then there's a whole lot of really awful stuff the government's gonna end up doing if we just say, well, they made it legal so they can do it.
00:15:17.000If we want people to be held accountable, we have to change the laws to reflect what we think our moral will is so that we can actually get people to be held accountable.
00:15:23.000Because otherwise you just get a bunch of people that are like, this is wrong, do something!
00:15:25.000It's like, okay, well, I don't know, what do you want us to do?
00:15:26.000Like, it's not illegal, like, we can't do anything about it, you know?
00:15:28.000If we changed the law and it made it illegal to bomb kids in Yemen, then we wouldn't be able to charge people that were doing it while it was legal, because it was legal when they did it.
00:15:45.000But Trump bombed the airport, is that like... But again, he's the president, it's our military, like...
00:15:50.000I guess the other question is, you know, in talking about Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, he wasn't the intended target.
00:15:55.000The intended target was somebody else, and he had just a few weeks prior killed Anwar al-Awlaki, Abdulrahman's dad.
00:16:01.000So he kills this guy, who's an American citizen, then argues, well, look, you know, he was a jihadi, he was preaching against the United States, he had to be stopped.
00:16:09.000But then a few weeks later he targets a civilian restaurant in Yemen, blows up this restaurant with a drone strike, killing Anwar al-Awlaki's son, Abdulrahman.
00:16:18.000And the response was, well, we were targeting a terror leader, so it's okay.
00:16:22.000So I guess the question is, I'm curious as to the legalities and the moral standing of One, does the President have the legal authority to kill anyone in any country at any time in the eyes of the United States?
00:16:36.000If he does and hits the wrong target and kills an innocent American citizen, is there a manslaughter-similar charge for this kind of conflict?
00:16:45.000I think internationally, unfortunately, I think we just don't tend to hold countries responsible.
00:16:55.000I'll avoid the USS Liberty example because that's a whole loaded thing.
00:16:58.000But there was, let's see, I think Iran After we killed Soleimani, in the night or the night after that followed, Iran accidentally shot down, I think, one of their own civilian airliners, and there were no charges, nothing was held for that.
00:17:17.000No, I'm just saying that internationally, I believe it happened over Ukraine as well.
00:17:20.000I think that there was a missile launched from Crimea, I believe, that was probably, with the assistance of Russian troops, there was a civilian airliner shot down there, but nothing happened.
00:17:29.000The United States, I believe, I think we shot down a civilian plane.
00:17:35.000um that killed like over 150 or over 200 people that might have been um south of iran i think um flying towards saudi arabia maybe and and we didn't do anything about that we said sorry but i think that was like 200 or so somebody said i mean it happens it sucks but i mean precedent internationally is that like sometimes mistakes happen countries do mistakes they're bad and you pay money sometimes but there's usually not like criminal courts for those types of mistakes but it was proven then yeah of course we say um the best i could do on short notice the acl acl you wrote an article saying that it was on lawful Well, if the ACLU said it.
00:18:10.000Not just the killing of Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki, but the other civilians that were killed in these countries were not at war with was.
00:18:17.000It says the killing program isn't only unlawful, it's unwise.
00:18:20.000And that's about, you know, on the short term.
00:18:23.000There have been legal arguments made that Obama does have the right to kill Americans abroad, but I kind of feel like, you know, we've got multiple amendments that afford American citizens a plethora of rights before they can just kill you.
00:18:33.000So that's where I'm at on the issue, I suppose.
00:18:36.000Do you still have American rights when you're in another country?
00:18:49.0001967, during the Israeli Six-Day War, they accidentally torpedoed, or they shot down... Yeah, but depending on who you ask, it's not an accident.
00:18:56.000That's like a whole can of worms of weird Jewish stuff.
00:19:20.000He writes, this is political persecution and election interference at the highest level in history.
00:19:24.000From the time I came down the golden escalator at Trump Tower, and even before I was sworn in as your President of the United States, the radical left Democrats, the enemy of hard-working men and women of this country, have been engaged in a witch hunt to destroy the Make America Great Again movement.
00:19:38.000Russia, Russia, Russia, the Mueller hoax, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, impeachment hoax one, impeachment hoax two, the illegal and unconstitutional Mar-a-Lago raid, and now this.
00:19:47.000The Democrats have lied, cheated, and stolen in their obsession with trying to get Trump.
00:19:52.000But now they've done the unthinkable, indicting a completely innocent person in an act of blatant election interference never before in our nation's history.
00:20:02.000The Democrats have cheated countless times over the decades, including spying on my campaign, but weaponizing our justice system to punish a political opponent who just so happens to be a President of the United States, and by far the leading Republican candidate for President has never happened before, ever.
00:20:17.000Alvin Bragg, who was handpicked and funded by George Soros, is a disgrace.
00:20:22.000Rather than stopping the unprecedented crime wave taking over New York City, he's doing Joe Biden's dirty work, ignoring the murders and burglaries and assaults he should be focused on.
00:20:40.000So our movement and our party United and strong will first defeat Alvin Bragg, and then we will defeat Joe Biden, and we are going to throw every last one of these crooked Democrats out of office so we can make America great again.
00:20:57.000They better be doing a really good job at that office.
00:21:00.000I think there's a lot of political consideration that has to go into these charges, because it's a really scary world when your criminal justice system is potentially interfering with an election.
00:21:12.000Which is something that, despite what some Americans think, that's all of our intelligence agencies try really hard to avoid this exact scenario where you might be indicting or arresting or charging with crimes like somebody that could be running for president.
00:21:23.000So I hope that whatever they have, I hope when these indictments are unsealed, some really solid stuff, and it's not just a whole bunch of like, you know, Lucy, whatever, that ends up falling apart.
00:21:31.000What do you think about, he mentions Ukraine.
00:21:34.000Do you remember the whole Ukrainegate fiasco impeachment?
00:21:57.000It's been a while, but my understanding was that Trump contacted Ukraine, Zelensky, and he was asking if there was wrongdoing done by I think it was by Biden and finding that prosecutor and if they had any information about potential wrongdoings that Hunter Biden or Joe Biden had been involved in in Ukraine.
00:22:12.000And in exchange for that, he wanted to withhold aid that was already congressionally approved to Ukraine for that.
00:22:22.000Um, legally or morally, or... Both, either, whatever you say.
00:22:25.000Legally, I believe it's because I don't think the president has the authority to withhold that aid.
00:22:29.000I don't remember what the legal arguments were on that.
00:22:31.000Um, for the moral part is our president probably shouldn't be asking other countries to investigate, like, wrongdoings of political opponents.
00:22:40.000That's a really scary moral... But Joe Biden wasn't running for office at the time.
00:22:43.000Um, I mean, then why was he... Hold on.
00:22:46.000I'm trying to think of the timeline for this.
00:22:48.000Yeah, Joe Biden, it was a year before he announced.
00:22:50.000That was part of the controversy that Joe Biden had not announced he was running for office at all.
00:23:29.000He did announce late, but he was still factored into the polls really early because, like, a lot of people thought he was going to run.
00:23:33.000The question is, though, is do we want the president contacting other—even if he's not running, he is still the type of political opponent, right?
00:23:39.000What if the vice president did the same thing?
00:23:40.000Is that— If the vice president was—I think that anytime you're reaching out—like, let's ask, if we pull back on a macro level, why is Trump asking this information?
00:23:47.000Does he genuinely think that there's been some grave wrongdoing done by the Bidens that needs to be corrected for?
00:24:03.000Going to another leader and saying, hey, I need you to get dirt on a potential political opponent because I think you're something... He wasn't a political opponent.
00:24:10.000He was the vice president of the former opposite party guy that he just... as he came into office.
00:24:55.000So this is the point that I'm getting at.
00:24:56.000When this started, and Donald Trump asked about this, specifically because there was a viral video of Joe Biden outright admitting to threatening to withhold congressionally approved aid unless a prosecutor got fired, you had Joe Biden breaking the law.
00:25:10.000Sure, so there was a video of Joe Biden on stage making the claim slash joke on stage where he's saying, I told him if you don't do it, you're not going to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:25:20.000But in terms of him like, well, but in terms of there actually being a serious offer on the table, where he was like threatening to withhold aid, I'm not even sure if that was ever the case.
00:25:27.000We have that one statement that he was made public.
00:25:29.000Victor Shokin signed a sworn affidavit that that's what happened.
00:25:32.000Number two, the impetus for Shokin being removed from Ukraine was not to get some kind of political dirt on an opponent.
00:25:40.000It was a completely different scenario.
00:25:42.000This is a prosecutor that all of Europe and over half of Ukraine wanted fired, that the United States was acting on behalf of the Western world and trying to pressure this prosecutor out because of his lack of prosecuting corruption in the country.
00:25:53.000That's a totally different thing then.
00:25:54.000I threaten to withhold aid from this guy because he's not giving me dirt on potential political opponents.
00:25:58.000So why is it that the guy who was being investigated, Mykola Zlochevsky, returned to the country?
00:26:03.000He had fled when Shokin was investigating him, and then after Joe Biden got Shokin removed, Zlochevsky returned to the country to begin working on Burisma again.
00:26:12.000Why did he return to the country? I could have been for any number of reasons. I'm not sure.
00:26:16.000Right. So the argument from the Democrats, the specific corruption that wasn't being
00:26:20.000prosecuted, referring to is the prosecution of Mykola Zlochevsky, the founder of Burisma.
00:26:41.000When Biden came in and got the prosecutor fired, Zlochevsky safely returned to Ukraine without fear of criminal prosecution.
00:26:47.000When Donald Trump made that phone call, Zlochevsky fled again.
00:26:51.000So it sounds more like you've got Hunter Biden on the board of Burisma, you've got a former CIA director on the board of Burisma, and Zlochevsky, the founder, and Shokin had around 12 to 14.
00:27:04.000All of the investigations into Burisma were dead.
00:27:21.000Right, and if you don't want to trust a journalist or whatever.
00:27:25.000Or like any actual article, not a tweet.
00:27:27.000I'm not talking about a tweet, I'm talking about an article that he wrote breaking down what happened with Ukraine and his investigation into Tlachevsky, and this is from like 2017 or whatever.
00:27:35.000Okay, so your claim is that the probes into Burisma never went cold and never died, that they were active the entire time?
00:27:41.000They were active the entire time, right.
00:27:49.000They weren't being actively worked on.
00:27:51.000So— There were probes, but nobody was doing anything with them until— It was one month before Shoken was actually ousted that there was some progress started to be made on those.
00:27:56.000So the— That's a very difficult question to get into.
00:28:00.000The fact is, there were active investigations.
00:28:02.000Well, but that's kind of the meat of what we're talking about, right?
00:28:04.000Well, so— It's kind of important to settle the fact of the matter on that, yeah.
00:28:07.000Were there 12 investigations, yes or no?
00:28:10.000I know that there were investigations open for a couple years, but my understanding is they were open.
00:28:20.000But that's pretty important, because if they were being actively investigated, then that obviously changes a little bit the story that we're telling, right?
00:28:24.000So, did Shokin have investigations into Burisma and Slotchevsky?
00:29:33.000was trying to compete with Russia to get cheaper gas to Europe.
00:29:37.000And the argument made was that Europe was constrained by high gas prices from Russia, and that we wanted the European economy to be bolstered and grow faster to compete with China, but Russia was basically keeping us pinned down.
00:31:03.000For Yanukovych, though, Yanukovych was standing alone with that pro-Russian status, though.
00:31:08.000That wasn't all the government officials.
00:31:10.000Part of the reasons why people were so upset with Yanukovych was because he was trying to push for Russia in opposition to what their parliament was even pushing for.
00:31:26.000And so the way I see it is, there are probably elements of that government that were more favorable to Russia, which is why Europe doesn't like them.
00:31:33.000The people, Ukrainians who want to be a part of the EU and members of the EU who want Ukraine to join, because they want more control over natural gas, of course naturally would oppose anybody who is siding with Russia.
00:31:42.000Do you think that Ukraine was a corrupt country prior to 2014?
00:31:47.000I mean it's do you think so when so for all of Europe and for everybody complaining about the corruption and stuff relating to Shokin, you think that all of that was BS and they just didn't like him because he was preventing their cheap oil or cheap gas?
00:32:00.000You think that all of the upsettedness that people across Europe and Ukraine had with Shokin I can only speak on a surface level about this one particular issue because I don't know the inner workings of all of Ukrainian politics.
00:32:17.000But what I do know is there has been a tremendous effort by Western forces leading to outright physical military conflict to get natural gas into Europe to offset Russia's control of gas prices.
00:32:28.000Naturally, it seems like these things are related.
00:32:34.000went to Syria and said, can we build the Qatar-Turkey pipeline?
00:32:37.000Syria literally said to the United States, that would be bad for our ally, Russia, so we will not allow it.
00:32:43.000Fortunately for us, for whatever reason, Syria falls into civil war and we just happened to oppose the guy who denied that.
00:32:50.000I don't think the whole reason for opposing it has to do with gas, but it's convenient for us nonetheless.
00:32:54.000We weren't able to do it, and to make it worse, Iran wanted to tap the same natural gas field and send the gas through Iraq and Turkey into Europe to strengthen Russia's control of energy.
00:33:06.000So the argument was the EU is trying to grow and become a unified bloc to compete with the growth of China, and Russia was basically impeding us because Russia wants to be their own big dog, right?
00:33:18.000Man, if you ever wanted to revisit a detailed breakdown of this, I'd be interested to do a little bit of reading prior to this, but let's say hypothetically I grant you all of that.
00:33:27.000Trump doesn't know what the hell's going on.
00:33:29.000Okay, so the impetus for this whole conversation of Trump pressuring them to find out if any wrongdoings happened had nothing to do with anything you just laid out.
00:33:40.000It was just having to do with Hunter Biden and Joe Biden.
00:33:42.000It had to do with him seeing a video and then seeing people and post memes.
00:33:46.000Probably, to be completely honest, it was Tucker Carlson.
00:33:49.000But it was a little bit more than just asking questions, because if he was just curious, I don't think that the question of aid being withheld would have ever been brought up in that conversation.
00:33:56.000So clearly there was a little bit—you're saying that Biden wasn't seen as a political opponent at all, but if that was the case, I don't know why Trump would go so far to try to solicit information from the Ukrainian government such that he would withhold aid or threaten to withhold aid in exchange for some information about him.
00:34:10.000Seems like a random politician to target, like, why would he be so dead set on getting information about Biden?
00:34:20.000I think it has to be a little bit more than that.
00:34:21.000Revenge to throw away, to get impeached.
00:34:23.000I mean, you can think that, but I don't even care all that much about the speculation as to why he did it, right?
00:34:28.000If you want to argue, you can, but it's not... Well, I think that's probably one of the most important parts.
00:34:32.000That is the most important part, is why he did it.
00:34:34.000But you have to make assumptions to get to that point.
00:34:36.000If he's asking for dirt specifically with respect to a political opponent, I'm making assumptions?
00:34:42.000I feel like there's a lot more assumptions being made on your end that he was just genuinely interested in what Joe Biden had said and was threatening to withhold aid because he wanted a legitimate investigation of the firing of a prosecutor.
00:34:52.000What we know is that he said, what's going on with this video, I want to see some action on this or else, right?
00:34:59.000I feel like there was a little bit more said than that, but I don't remember because it's been a long time.
00:35:04.000Sure, but I feel like the specific requests he was making for information are probably pretty important.
00:35:07.000I can look up exactly what the charges are alleged, but it's been a while.
00:35:10.000So I guess the reason I bring it up is not to just debate Trump or whatever, but to ask the question of Should we indict Joe Biden for doing the same thing?
00:35:19.000I don't believe Joe Biden did the same thing, though.
00:35:21.000The request and who it was on behalf of was far different than... But Joe Biden does not have the authority to threaten to withhold congressional approval.
00:35:26.000I don't know if Joe Biden actually threatened to withhold aid.
00:36:05.000And he didn't have the authority to do it.
00:36:06.000And it was on behalf of some selfish motive or whatever, then yeah, I think there should obviously be an investigation.
00:36:10.000But the fact that there's never been an official statement confirming that there's never been any side from the Ukrainian officials confirming that Maybe there should be!
00:36:16.000Everything relating to that, yeah, but every time Republicans say there should be and they go and look, they find nothing, okay?
00:36:21.000But whether it's Benghazi, whether it's Hillary's emails, whether it's a lot of Dr. Biden stuff— We know that Hillary's email stuff is—was there.
00:36:28.000That's not even— We don't know if Hillary Clinton gave a command to delete stuff that shouldn't have been deleted to impede an investigation.
00:36:37.000We know that she had a server with 35,000 emails on it.
00:36:39.000We know that her staff smashed hammers.
00:36:41.000We know that one of her staffers, I guess, he went on Reddit and he said, how can I purge emails with someone's name on it or something like that?
00:36:48.000And like, I think, didn't he get charged or something?
00:36:54.000I remember when that happened, like, some dude on Reddit found the account, and they were like, I think this guy works for Hillary.
00:36:58.000Sure, but the crime that we were looking for was whether or not Hillary Clinton ordered classified emails to be deleted, which doesn't seem like that was—we spent a whole lot of time talking about that.
00:37:07.000And for all the complaining that we do about a judge indicting Trump or intelligence agencies interfering in elections, Comey coming out and making the statements that he did about Hillary Clinton were not only unprecedented, but also potentially election-altering, too.
00:37:18.000So, I mean— Do you think— Barack Obama ordering a drone strike that killed an American citizen.
00:37:41.000Wasn't there a hospital that we accidentally bombed like a year and a half ago, I think, where I think like 20 or 30 people died and it was all civilians?
00:37:47.000Like, yeah, anytime something like that happens, there should obviously be some type of oversight.
00:37:50.000But that's different between, like, there needs to be a criminal charge for an intentionally destructive act done, right?
00:37:55.000Do you agree that there's a world of difference between, um, Biden ordered an American citizen killed overseas versus American citizen dies as a result of collateral damage from a drone strike?
00:38:03.000Those two things are worlds apart, right?
00:38:05.000Well, the added context is we're not at war with this country and it doesn't matter.
00:38:09.000Even if we are at war with the country, they're still worlds apart, right?
00:38:16.000The authority granted to the president does not extend to bombing any random country.
00:38:21.000Well, it seems like that's not where we're at legally right now, right?
00:38:24.000I think it's not where we're at because the American people don't do anything about it.
00:38:29.000Did we vote in Congress to bomb the Syrian airport when Trump returned fire for whatever gas attacks?
00:38:35.000No, but I think there's something different to an active war zone we do have troops on the ground in, and I don't agree with Trump firing... Yeah, but we're not at war with Syria.
00:38:43.000We haven't declared a war since World War II.
00:38:46.000I don't agree... Sure, but we didn't even have a U.S.
00:38:48.000Senate use of... I don't agree with Trump's firing of... Sure, I'm just saying that, like, if an American citizen, Let's jump to this next story from the Tampa Bay Times.
00:38:56.000DeSantis says Florida will not assist in possible Trump extradition after indictment.
00:38:58.000So it seems like when you're asking me a moral question versus a legal question, those are two different things.
00:39:02.000If you're asking me legally, it seems like that seems to be that the president can indeed order drone strikes on places
00:39:41.000Yet now he is stretching the law to target a political opponent.
00:39:43.000Florida will not assist in an extradition request given the questionable circumstances at issue with the Soros-backed Manhattan prosecutor and his political agenda.
00:39:57.000Or was it that, like, because I thought that the actual thing was, like, George Soros, uh, contributed to a PAC that has also contributed to him.
00:40:05.000I think it's a little different, but regardless.
00:40:07.000But even outside of that, I mean, Ron DeSantis saying, we're not going to allow, what is he saying?
00:40:50.000Donald Trump, what's the charge? That he falsified a legal bill?
00:40:55.000Well, it's that he falsified a legal bill, but it has to be something more than that, right?
00:41:01.000Because that charge in and of itself is a misdemeanor that the statute of limitations would have expired on.
00:41:05.000So it's that he falsified that legal bill in the commission or the obscurement of another crime.
00:41:10.000I think it's related to election stuff.
00:41:12.000The argument was that it pertained to campaign finance or they use campaign funds to do it or something like that.
00:41:17.000Because Cohen billed Trump campaign or whatever.
00:41:22.000I guess we'll see when the indictment comes out if they're stretching this up to a felony.
00:41:25.000My view is it's all overtly political and this country is being ripped to shreds.
00:41:30.000So I don't know if it really matters whether DeSantis is going to do anything or not.
00:41:35.000Whether we can have a debate about it or not, no one's going to agree.
00:41:38.000The end result is just going to be people on the right saying that Trump is being politically persecuted and people on the left saying it's justice.
00:41:44.000Well, it only matters for the primary because DeSantis this whole time has been trying to position himself as Trump without the bad stuff.
00:42:54.000I don't know if he realizes, like if he's in control of his moods, when he goes, uh, what is he, uh, been indicted, he tilts his head forward and he gets shadow under his eyes and looks real villainous for a second.
00:43:05.000What is it called, the Kubrick stare or whatever?
00:43:14.000When it comes to stuff like this, I think it's really important that you mentally swap the people out in your head to figure out how you feel about it, because we have a huge problem right now in this country with actually having principal positions on any fucking issue whatsoever.
00:43:26.000So I think that when people are trying to think like, should Trump get arrested for this?
00:43:30.000Like, think like, if it was Hillary Clinton, would you feel the same?
00:43:32.000If it was AOC, would you feel the same?
00:43:34.000If it was DeSantis, would you feel the same?
00:43:35.000I think it's really important to do these mental swaps to check for honesty, to make sure that it's not just like you said, like all partisan politics at the end of the day.
00:43:41.000Especially when legal systems are involved.
00:43:43.000I agree, but I don't think it's principles.
00:43:45.000I don't think anyone's principled at all.
00:43:48.000But I'm not saying that from like a dejected, you know, sense or like, you know, I'm jaded and blackmailed.
00:43:56.000I'm saying it that people genuinely don't understand the moral philosophies around principles and their positions.
00:44:02.000So the example I often give is When it came to Florida on the Parental Rights and Education Bill, you had conservatives being like, parents have the final say in whether or not their kids are being exposed to this stuff and whether or not their kids are going to get these treatments.
00:44:14.000The teachers have no right to withhold that information from the parents.
00:44:18.000And then my response is, in Washington, they completely agree.
00:44:33.000Should parents have final say, but both conservatives and left liberals or whatever position have a differing view of when it should be allowed.
00:44:41.000When it comes to a child deciding they are trans, the left passes laws saying they can withhold that from parents.
00:44:48.000When it comes to parents wanting to give their children sex change surgery, conservatives argue the state should intervene to stop that.
00:45:11.000I don't think there's a do better or there's a bad.
00:45:14.000It's quite literally, if two factions of people have different moral standards, that's it.
00:45:21.000Yeah, but I think the problem is not being honest about those moral standards.
00:45:24.000I think that's the issue, because when we argue for certain principles, I think everybody ends up... At the end of the day, we're all attacking the shadows and the ghosts of the people that we're arguing against, because nobody actually believes in a lot of the things they're saying, and that hurts our ability to actually move the conversation forward.
00:45:37.000Like, there's a lot of people, for instance—I think I even saw this on your Twitter, I don't remember the tweets—there was a lot of conservatives that fucking hated red flag laws, and now after this trans shooting, a whole bunch of conservatives are like, well, should mentally ill people have guns?
00:45:58.000But then there are principles there, you just have to dig a little bit deeper.
00:46:01.000So like for some conservatives, people are just like, fuck trans people, I don't want them to have any rights.
00:46:05.000Rather than like, I don't agree with like red flag laws.
00:46:09.000And we just have to get to like the deeper positions where they actually are so we can fight against those positions.
00:46:14.000See my thing with red flag laws is I'm completely in favor of them so long as they have an adversarial due process.
00:46:19.000The problem with red flag laws literally is that they're non-adversarial.
00:46:23.000It's like someone can go to a judge, the judge can issue a writ and just come and take your guns.
00:46:27.000Whereas due process requires your rights to confront an accuser, to file a rebuttal, to say no, and then actually have a chance to have proper adjudication.
00:46:35.000So I used to not be in favor of it until it was actually conservatives who argued that through due process your rights can be curtailed.
00:46:43.000If you break the law and then a court gives you due process and says you broke the law, we can literally lock you in a box and take everything away from you.
00:46:50.000In that case, if you're mentally ill and then someone files a claim saying you're a risk to yourself and a harm to yourself or others, then you should have the right to receive a notice in the mail, answer that claim, reject it, and then have a judge actually issue a standard due process.
00:47:06.000If you're in prison, you can't have guns.
00:47:09.000So if there is some standard by which we believe you are a threat and you are going to cause harm, then you have a right to challenge that in court, same as any other criminal charge you have.
00:47:19.000And then if you lose, come take your case.
00:48:13.000It's like that scene with the, you know, saying the women carry guns, and she's in front of Congress, and she's like, well, you know, if you don't want women to carry guns because you're worried about what's going to happen, then you either have to ban all guns, or you've got to let women do it, and they like ban all guns.
00:48:24.000Well, that's kind of what it feels like happened with the transgender thing, after the shooting.
00:48:28.000Reporters are like, all of a sudden, they're like, well, maybe it is really important that we look at the mental health of people that have guns, and like, everyone in the left is like, what the fuck?
00:48:46.000And there's another interesting thing.
00:48:47.000I talk about when I was in L.A., in Venice, and you got those guys selling weed cards.
00:48:52.000And they're like, I'm walking down the street, going to the skate park, and this guy goes, yo, yo, yo, yo, man, you got your weed card yet?
00:50:25.000The form was released publicly, and on it he said he was not a drug user, despite- For- are you- the 4473 for a gun?
00:50:30.000The- the background check form for a gun.
00:50:33.000It asks you if you're a user of narcotics.
00:50:35.000I feel like they wanted him arrested because they said that he's doing illegal dealings overseas where he's roping his father into the... Specifically for the gun issue, it was like his girlfriend or whatever, his wife threw the gun in a dumpster behind a school.
00:50:44.000Did they accurately date the crack use, though, for when he filled out the form?
00:50:49.000It's the argument, he quit doing crack a long time ago, thus he was saying no, and the argument was he's like still a crackhead, they found a crack pipe in his car around some time or whatever, and so I am not saying overtly and outright every single person who ever has a weed card will never be able to buy a gun again.
00:51:04.000I'm saying if they want grounds to take your weapons and you have had a weed card, they will come, they will have a notice, and they will say, look, you have a weed card, you're a user, tell it to a judge, we're taking your guns.
00:52:33.000My source is that this is 34 counts of falsification of business records, which is probably a lot of charges involving each document, each thing that was submitted as a separate count in a couple of matters.
00:53:31.000But again, it has to be more than just falsifying records, because that's only a misdemeanor, and the statute of limitations is expired, and it's a fucking misdemeanor.
00:53:38.000Why would we charge an ex-president over a misdemeanor?
00:53:54.000I don't know about completely different, but it's going to be... It's got to be related to campaign fund misappropriation, or... The question is, will it be dubious, or will it be questionable, or will it be airtight?
00:54:24.000Like, nothing was born of those things, you know what I mean?
00:54:28.000I feel like this is just like, they're gonna spin their wheels, Trump's gonna fundraise off it, he's gonna raise record amounts of money, there's gonna be a mugshot that will turn into t-shirts, people will get rich off of it, Donald Trump will win the election in 2024, and then we'll not even talk about this moment later on.
00:54:43.000Does this kind of thing give people the right to go deeper into his life and look for things and serve subpoenas and warrants and things?
00:54:50.000To like look at emails from 20 years ago?
00:54:52.000Does it open up old I would hope that prosecutors are being intelligent when it comes to charging somebody that's going to run for president.
00:54:59.000It's not even the fact that he's a former president.
00:55:01.000It's that he's going to run for president.
00:55:02.000The absolute worst case scenario for the health of this country is that Donald Trump gets indicted, charged, and convicted of something that's not really that big of a deal that somehow inhibits his ability to run for office.
00:55:13.000Because now you've justified every single conservative that thinks that the system is trying to keep him out using judicial means.
00:55:19.000The left doesn't even get to feel good.
00:56:29.000Having their borders restored to what they were in 1991 when they broke off from the Soviet Union and when the entire world recognized the country as having the borders that it did that included the Donbas and included Crimea.
00:56:52.000involvement is probably that the stability of Europe is potentially at risk, that we are seeing an actor engaged in actions that haven't happened in decades, where one sovereign state invades another sovereign state to steal territory from them.
00:57:05.000It's just something that we don't really see around the world anymore, especially in Europe.
00:57:09.000And I think that the opposition to that should be led by the United States.
00:57:12.000I think it's important for us to be seen as a leader of the world to do that.
00:57:14.000Would you be in favor of a similar military response if it came to Taiwan?
00:57:19.000Taiwan and Hong Kong are so much more complicated, and I'm not well-versed enough in the history
00:57:23.000to know if I would feel the same for that.
00:57:25.000The stability of Southeast Asia and the region, you know what I mean?
00:57:28.000True, but I think that our responsibility is the presence we have and the relationships we have with Southeast Asia.
00:57:32.000I mean, we do have good relationships with South Korea and Japan, but it's different than Europe.
00:57:36.000But I would have to read up way more on Taiwanese history and the deals that China has carved out with respect to the autonomy of Taiwan to know if I would feel the same way about defending them militarily versus Ukraine.
00:57:46.000But I feel very strongly about the understanding of Ukrainian history and everything, that their borders should be respected.
00:57:51.000Do you think the $100 billion price tag is justified?
00:57:55.000I think a really big price tag is justified.
00:57:57.000I mean, I'm not going to sit here and argue to know the difference between $100 billion versus $1 trillion versus $500 billion, but I think that it is worth it for the United States to be making heavy investments into the security of Europe.
00:58:08.000I think that that position that we have as the leader of the Western world and leading those efforts to protect Ukraine is really important.
00:58:13.000You go to Ukraine and fight the Russians?
00:58:37.000If we're talking about people going over to train troops, maybe.
00:58:40.000For instance, if we're sending weapons systems over there, and we're sending troops over there to train them to use those weapons systems, that might be important so that those weapons systems don't misfire or they're crashing planes up into Poland or some shit.
00:58:54.000using reconnaissance measures and surveillance to provide intelligence to the Ukrainians To then have the Ukrainians use the weapons we provided to, say, sink the Russian flagship in the Black Sea?
00:59:05.000I think so far I think that's been fair game.
00:59:06.000I think that a lot of people around the world share intelligence, and that's probably just a given at this point, are sharing intelligence with Ukraine.
00:59:11.000There's probably no difference than China or Russia sharing intel with each other as well.
00:59:14.000What about former US military, now veterans, fighting on the ground in Ukraine using US
00:59:22.000intelligence, US weapons, and US funding to assist Ukrainians in say, like, sinking ships
00:59:29.000I think it sounds silly, but I think there is a distinction that they are former US military.
00:59:33.000The scary part about US troops… troops and Russian troops shooting at each other is the potential for escalation into all of us getting blown up.
01:01:59.000will not, this was brought up by, I think it was an EU politician, he said, if Russia uses lower yield nukes in Ukraine, the West will not respond with similar nuclear weapons or greater.
01:02:14.000Why would, who cares what a EU politician says though?
01:02:20.000I don't care who it is, if it wasn't the U.S.
01:02:22.000president, UN has no fucking, you know, No one is going to risk... What did he say?
01:02:27.000He says no one's going to risk Warsaw for Kiev.
01:02:32.000If Vladimir Putin escalates the conflict in Ukraine, Western forces will not escalate to the point where they would put their home countries at risk.
01:02:40.000They will keep the conflict in Ukraine.
01:02:42.000Well, of course, but Ukraine's not a NATO country, so all we'll do is send stuff to help, but we're not going to be putting troops there.
01:02:46.000We're not going to be flying planes over there.
01:02:48.000What they were saying is that if Putin uses nukes in Ukraine, the West will not fire nukes on Russia in return.
01:03:04.000But again, I wouldn't look to a UN or an EU politician to speak on behalf of the US military or what the US is willing to do, because at the end of the day, that's really all that matters, right?
01:03:12.000I agree with your principle that countries shouldn't be invading and colonizing territory, but then I look at what the U.S.
01:03:17.000did the last 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan.
01:03:19.000We haven't done anything even remotely similar.
01:03:21.000We didn't take any territory from Iraq.
01:04:18.000Yeah, I think of it as like, after the Soviet Union broke up, the oligarchs split it all up and they took away the warm water port from Russia because they didn't want to be a global hegemon.
01:04:26.000They were like, no, we're going to give Sevastopol to Ukraine now.
01:04:29.000Russia's landlocked and they can have their other.
01:05:16.000The way we did with Libya, the way we invaded over through Gaddafi took them off the gold.
01:05:20.000We did that with authorization through fucking through NATO and even through the UN.
01:05:24.000I'm pretty sure Gaddafi was so bad, I think even China would abstain from voting no on that one.
01:05:29.000But again, I'm just saying that, here's what I'm trying to say.
01:05:31.000There's something very unique in particular.
01:05:33.000I'm not saying that, because I know a bunch of people are swearing now, probably saying, oh, he wants Iraq and Afghanistan, blah, blah, blah.
01:05:37.000I'm not saying those invasions were good.
01:05:38.000I'm not saying our occupation was good.
01:05:40.000But I'm saying there's something fundamentally different from invading a country and taking territory and saying, this land is mine now.
01:05:46.000Even in Afghanistan, where we were for 7,000 years, we didn't actually say, this is US territory now.
01:05:59.000I was watching this documentary on, what was it, the Mexican-American War, and then we, like, Americans were actually in favor of just taking it, and we won, but then the president at the time, I can't remember who it was, Polk or something, he was like, nah, nah, Mexico can stay Mexico.
01:06:11.000The tactic the liberal economic order has been using is corporate- Well, we took Texas and stuff.
01:06:18.000dollar and all these American corporations like Sydney Blumenthal's Osprey Global Solutions.
01:06:22.000Hillary made sure that he got his defense contract in Libya.
01:06:25.000So they say, oh no, we're not taking that land, but it is profiting us massively because we have it set up as a corporate stock.
01:06:32.000Sure, I mean everything profits us, but I mean that's a fundamentally different thing again from like taking the land and being like, we're going to... I would argue that colonizing corporately overseas is much worse than taking a piece of land on your border.
01:06:43.000It's different than, like, this is U.S.
01:06:44.000land that we are now administering legally, and this is our land now.
01:06:48.000But if you legally say it's okay to invade and take something over, it doesn't make it okay to invade and take it over just because you said it was legal.
01:07:04.000All uniformed officers are on standby as extra manpower is deployed to ring of steel around Manhattan's DA's office amid fears of violence after Trump's indictment.
01:07:16.000I really don't think that New York City is MAGA country enough to the point that they have to worry about a bunch of Trump supporters showing up to the Manhattan DA's office.
01:07:25.000I'm just worried they're going to march them all down into the tunnels for drills next.
01:07:54.000I think people are just, like, so paranoid, they just don't want to risk it, right?
01:07:58.000Like, January 6th was such a disaster, and it was a disaster at, like, multiple levels of failing to be ready for what was gonna happen.
01:08:04.000I think for New York, they're probably saying, like, better safe than sorry, because, oh my god, if something got repeated where they weren't ready, it's just gonna look so bad on everybody involved, you know?
01:08:11.000Sure, we have this, uh, we have this video coming out of Tennessee, where a bunch of leftists...
01:08:16.000Stormed the Capitol and fought with police.
01:08:19.000They actually made their way into the chamber in what conservatives are calling an insurrection.
01:08:34.000I mean, it's funny, there were numerous protests by the left where they actually were banging on the doors of the Supreme Court, or actually went inside to the congressional buildings and shut down legislative sessions, and they were never considered that big of a deal.
01:08:47.000And even right now, it's like the media's not covering this like it's that big of a deal to shut down your Capitol.
01:08:52.000State capitals, I guess, don't matter?
01:09:15.000Typically, what we mean when we say, like, the news doesn't cover it is that, like, sure, local outlets may run the story, but is it getting headline attention?
01:09:44.000He did say Donald Trump was involved in setting it up directly.
01:09:47.000You know, not the violence, but just... He said, peacefully march to listen to politicians.
01:09:50.000Yeah, just getting the people in the vicinity, he was part of that.
01:09:52.000I think it was something he said for months, that they were going to steal our election from us, and we need to fight like hell to keep it.
01:09:56.000I think it was more that than the march peacefully thing, but... Well, he said march peacefully, and there was a permitted rally at the Capitol.
01:10:03.000How can you go- Okay, we're backing up a little bit.
01:10:05.000How can you take the one thing that Biden said on stage one time as definitive proof that he was actually trying to withhold aid, but the numerous statements- He literally said he did.
01:10:13.000And Trump literally said that we need to fight like hell- Trump did not say storm the Capitol.
01:10:17.000He didn't say storm the Capitol in those exact words.
01:10:19.000But he said we need to fight like hell.
01:10:21.000He said we need to fight like- What does fight mean?
01:10:22.000Does that mean be obese and stand at the Capitol?
01:10:42.000We mean sure, but it's followed or that was followed up by months of saying that, like,
01:10:47.000they're going to steal the election from you.
01:10:48.000You have to fight to save your country.
01:10:50.000Like, you don't think that that type of rhetoric can directly lead to people saying, like, oh, our election is being stolen, like Trump said, it's being stolen, and we need to fight, like, go to the Capitol and fight to save our country?
01:10:58.000In that line, do you blame trans activists for calling for fighting when this person went and shot up a church or a grade school?
01:11:50.000Because it could mean what you're saying.
01:11:52.000So let's say that in the manifesto, they're saying things like, I've been watching a whole bunch of YouTube commentators like Vosh saying that there is a transgenocide and I need to go and take action to prevent that.
01:12:03.000And people that are saying it, actually, fuck, even if they didn't say that, the people that are saying there's a trans genocide and we need to fight should be held accountable.
01:12:10.000If you believe in stochastic terrorism, I think that that's definitely that.
01:12:13.000But if it's something like where the person is like, oh, like, I'm trans and people in my life don't accept me, I'm gonna go shit over school, I think that's meaningfully different than inspired by rhetoric from people calling for violence, right?
01:12:23.000So, when we see these protests from far leftists, like at the Capitol, like in Kentucky and Tennessee, do you think the storming of those capitals is the fault of people like Vosch saying, you gotta take- I don't know if Vosch ever said that.
01:12:34.000Well, those- My understanding is the storming of those capitals was for gun reform.
01:13:01.000So let's just say Kentucky, the storming of the Capitol there, where they're in the gallery and they're being arrested and they're holding up trans signs, do you think the suspense of that, the inhibition of that legislative session and the storming of that Capitol is the result, is the fault of activists saying, take up arms and go fight?
01:13:20.000If somebody is storming buildings, I think they should be held legally accountable.
01:13:23.000If they're trespassing, then they absolutely should be.
01:13:24.000And I think that people that are using alarmist rhetoric to get people to go and fight, whether that's Donald Trump or whether that's far-left people on YouTube, I think should also be... Did Fox do that?
01:13:48.000The issue that I have is a general alarmist rhetoric.
01:13:52.000There's a lot of people saying that there's a transgenocide incoming, so buy firearms.
01:13:56.000That feels a little bit like Great Replacement rhetoric, except on the left instead of the right, to me.
01:13:59.000Where people on the right sometimes will say things like, immigrants are invading, they're taking everything, you need to buy firearms to protect yourself from spooky immigrants that are replacing white people.
01:14:07.000That feels similar to people saying there's a transgenocide, buy firearms because Republicans are going to take your rights away.
01:14:12.000That type of, like, any type of rhetoric that is basically stating that, like, your life is on the line, buy a gun, in my opinion, is, like, very, very, very unhealthy for the state of the country.
01:15:28.000But if somebody's saying, like, you are being eliminated from this country, people are trying to genocide you, they're gonna use whatever means possible to take you out, you need to get armed, you need to train, you need to be ready for when these people come to town, like, that's like, okay, what the fuck?
01:15:59.000They got like a club made of a curtain rod, and they're like, beat them, beat them, hurt them.
01:16:02.000Yeah, although I'd say we have to be really careful about, because, I don't know how big some of these, like, for some of these trans organizations that people are obsessing over, the Trans Day of Vengeance, and then there was another one, like the Trans Resistance something network or whatever.
01:17:38.000I do think it's absolutely insane that after what happened on Monday, the media's response to this was very, very much like, oh, the poor trans community, whereas they typically don't do that for any other mass shooting.
01:17:54.000I think for this one there's a pretty big deal about it being a trans person, which I don't think it was necessarily made as big a deal for the past one.
01:18:00.000out and say the same thing. It's like this one they did.
01:18:02.000Yeah, but I think for this one there's a pretty big deal about it being a trans person, which
01:18:07.000I don't think it was necessarily made as big a deal for the past one. And then I think
01:18:10.000that the temperature is up really high right now because apparently Republicans have nothing
01:18:14.000else to talk about but trans people, so we're like all focused and fixated on trans people
01:18:18.000right now, so when a shooting happens with a trans person— I don't think it's Republicans. I think it's both
01:18:22.000Republicans are obsessed with trans people right now.
01:18:24.000But Democrats are, you know, putting books like Genderqueer in schools, or I should say schools are putting those in place.
01:18:30.000Loudoun County, we saw a Republican get elected in Virginia primarily because of what happened in Loudoun County, which is literally two seconds.
01:18:37.000You get in the car, you drive 20 seconds, you're in Loudoun.
01:18:39.000And it's because these schools, they had sexual assaults.
01:18:42.000They had these books depicting graphic things for kids.
01:18:46.000And then when parents wanted something done about it, Democrats called them bigots and ignored the problem.
01:18:51.000So they turned to Republicans, Republicans embraced it.
01:18:53.000Yeah, but isn't this, like, what school boards are for?
01:18:54.000Like, don't you go to your school meetings, you say, we don't want this here, and then you talk to the superintendent?
01:19:08.000Well, because I can imagine it happening at, like, one or two meetings.
01:19:11.000When Matt Walsh wanted to speak in Loudoun County, they changed the rules so that he wasn't allowed to, so he had to rent a basement apartment to be able to speak.
01:19:18.000Was Matt Walsh a resident of that county?
01:20:03.000Local Democrats raise money out of state all the time.
01:20:05.000Sure, I'm saying that if you have local superintendent meetings, if I go to my child's school to have a conversation about the curriculum with the teachers and there are other parents there, if I started to see people show up from California or Wyoming, we're from Nebraska, I'd be like, I don't know why you guys are here right now.
01:20:21.000That would make me really uncomfortable.
01:20:23.000So if it was the case that, like, it might have been the case, and I don't know for the Matt Walsh thing, I don't know in particular, but it might have been the case that there wasn't a law in the books for that because it's just something that's never come up before.
01:20:31.000But if it is going to be a thing, then I gotta understand, like, yeah, you don't need to be at these meetings.
01:20:34.000This isn't, like, your political process.
01:20:37.000Well, so to go back to the main point, to put it simply I suppose, Loudoun County was a flashpoint where parents were not being listened to, they were protesting.
01:20:44.000I remember we went down to Catoctin Skatepark, we saw parents outside tabling being like, when we go to these meetings they won't listen to us, we need change.
01:20:52.000And that was a huge rallying cry that gets a Republican elected.
01:20:55.000So Republicans are looking at this, and they're hearing parents say, when the COVID lockdown stuff happened, and we heard what these teachers were telling our kids, we were shocked.
01:21:05.000And when we tried to get these things changed, they resisted.
01:21:08.000There's one parent's getting sued by the teachers, by the teachers union or whatever, filed a lawsuit against them because they asked for records on what's being taught to their kids.
01:21:17.000I feel like if we look I'd be curious to look up that lawsuit because I feel like sometimes yeah okay look that one up I'm curious what they're actually being sued for um but the my question would be like can't you just vote out the superintendent like this is part of our local election process like if you don't like the school superintendent don't we vote on that I'm just trying to imagine what the resistance is.
01:21:34.000And now what I'm wondering is, is there resistance for a majority of parents saying something or is it a few conservatives that are fighting against this and they're upset that their voice is being drawn up by the other parents that don't agree with them?
01:21:52.000That's the unfortunate thing, is that people are talking about transsexuality as if it's degenerate, and it's not.
01:21:56.000Waving your unit in front of a child in a bar is degenerate, in my opinion, whether it's in a public park or in a bar where they say it's okay to do it.
01:22:06.000I kind of wonder, maybe I'm being a little bit unfair here, but I kind of wonder for a lot of parents if the COVID lockdowns were the first time that they ever actually looked at what their kids were reading in school.
01:22:18.000And then a lot of them were like, wait, what's going on here?
01:22:20.000And so like the impression is that like, oh my God, all of this crazy stuff's made their way into the school.
01:22:24.000It's like, well, no, that's been part of a curriculum for probably quite a while.
01:22:27.000You just never noticed because it was a school, you don't actually give a shit what your kid is reading.
01:22:33.000There were a lot of videos where The kids were on Zoom classrooms, and the parents recorded it being like, what are they telling my kids?
01:22:41.000And then what happened was, when these parents came out and started complaining about it, because no one knew what was going on and paid attention, they said, you're lying, it's not true, it's not happening.
01:22:49.000But it is happening, and it is shocking, and because parents didn't pay attention, this is why I think it's become a major political issue right now.
01:22:59.000Yeah, there was... I would need a few minutes.
01:23:02.000This is something that happens, because I always tell people, if you hear something, always look it up.
01:23:06.000I'll hear something like a person was removed from a meeting just because they were asking questions, and then when I let her go read the story, it's actually like they were making a ton of noise, they were asked to leave once, it was private property, and then they were escorted off, and then they weren't even charged with a crime.
01:23:18.000Things always get twisted, really hardcore, so I'm always curious when I hear, like, there's a lawsuit against somebody, like, what is it actually for?
01:23:24.000Well, there's a bunch of these meetings, and the reason is, Parents, is this one from Fox News?
01:23:31.000They'll try to read, like, they'll be like, hey, we came here to complain about this book, and you refuse to listen, so I'm going to read from this book.
01:23:38.000And then once they do, they go, whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't read that stuff in here, that's graphic!
01:23:42.000And they're like, yes, but these are in our schools.
01:24:03.000We had, uh, Asra Noumani came in and she brought, like, 50 different books with various critical race theory, racist ideology, as well as gender ideology stuff.
01:24:14.000Like, this book is really crazy and on Amazon it's listed as 18 and up only.
01:24:21.000Aside from the overt sex acts that are in the book, that should not be accessible to children, there's a bunch of stuff in there that kids should not be reading about.
01:24:34.000I think a few of them had it as curriculum, a lot of them had it as in the libraries.
01:24:41.000Well, okay, so library and school are like two, those are two very different things.
01:24:46.000Like, if my second grader can buy this at a scholastic book fair, that's one thing.
01:24:50.000But if this is in, like, the library of, like, a high school, I think it's a bit different.
01:24:53.000Like, there are adult sections in libraries at high schools.
01:24:55.000Like, I don't know... High school librarian gaining attention online for promoting the genderqueer book to students.
01:25:01.000Blah blah blah, I don't know, just Google it.
01:25:03.000Uh, Ron DeSantis actually put together a presentation where he actually listed out all the schools that had these books.
01:25:09.000And the craziest thing was that Nikki Fried, who's, like, the Democrat trying to run against him, Took a screenshot of what he posted and then wrote, posting buttplug porn to own the libs.
01:25:20.000And it's like, yo, that is a book showing a buttplug next to an anus that they're showing children in grade schools, and that's what the complaint is about.
01:25:30.000If even a Democrat gubernatorial candidate is calling it buttplug porn, I think we got a problem.
01:25:34.000Sure, I just have to see what we're talking about.
01:25:36.000Like, what you just brought up, was that a librarian in a school, or was it just a librarian?
01:26:10.000Yeah, so, let me pull up the Rhonda Sanders one.
01:26:15.000Because they keep saying he's banning books, and it's like, dude, telling kids you can't have Hustler in the library is not banning books, you know what I mean?
01:26:21.000Let me see if, uh... I can't play this online, so don't pull this up.
01:26:26.000I can't show you the... That's for the after-hours stream.
01:26:28.000Yeah, we can do it there, but I don't even know if people are going to want to see it.
01:27:26.000It says, yesterday we exposed the book ban hoax.
01:27:28.000If news stations could not show this explicit material on air, why should it be shown in schools?
01:27:33.000Oh, is that what it, okay, so they show genderqueer, there's some overt sex acts, there's, uh, two little boys engaging in what some, they should not be showing children, then where's the, uh, let me see, is this, it's not playing audio?
01:29:03.000I thought before it was just like a porn book.
01:29:04.000This seems like, whether we agree or disagree, it seems like it's a guide for sexual exploitation for teenagers, essentially, is what it looks like.
01:29:31.000Because, like, again, if you tell me this is available to a second grader, that's a lot different than, like, I'm just saying, that's a lot different than, like, this is a high school book that, like, you have to be 18 and older to rent, right?
01:30:11.000Flamer, by Mike Curato, was founded Broward, Collier, Hillsboro, Marion, Seminole and Volusia County Schools.
01:30:20.000The camp the boys go to in the book has an island that the book says... Okay, so they basically just outlined that it's in schools in Florida.
01:30:26.000I'm just saying, like, you agree there's a difference between, like, this is, like, in a high school that you've got to be, like, a junior or older to check out versus this is in, like, the grade school library.
01:30:35.000These are two, like, pretty different things.
01:30:36.000Some of them are in grade schools, yes.
01:30:38.000Like, uh, genderqueer, the reason it got so much attention is because it was in grade school specifically.
01:30:42.000I think it was in, like, a sixth grade classroom or something.
01:31:21.000What was banned was a classroom curriculum setting of educating kids on these issues.
01:31:26.000And only kindergarten through third grade, though they are now expanding it to, I think, all through eighth grade or whatever.
01:31:31.000I think it is important, the word children, because if you're 17 and tomorrow's your birthday, you're still a child, legally.
01:31:36.000Yeah, I guess it's like, the thing that bothers me is that, like, conservatives will say things like, we shouldn't teach this to children, and it's like, some of these books would be incredibly inappropriate for, like, a six-year-old, but for, like, an 18-year-old, I don't know, it'd probably be good to know some of this stuff.
01:31:50.000Well, an 18-year-old's totally different.
01:32:27.000For, like, seventeen and eighteen year olds.
01:32:28.000I think instruction manuals should not be in You know what I mean?
01:32:32.000I think that the issue is that teenagers are engaging, and there's a lot of especially conservative parents that like to pretend that teenagers don't do anything sexual until they're 18.
01:32:44.000And that's just not the case, regardless of what they want to believe, especially when half these conservatives get pregnant at 16, 17, 18.
01:32:48.000Anyway, but there's a lot of people like to pretend that their kids aren't into anything sexual blah blah blah and then when it comes to children that are starting to exploit doing these things stupid things happen where people are putting dumb things in their bodies they end up going to ERs or worse they don't tell their parents at all and they have like these hugely complicated problems probably not the most common thing in the world but again I think that for like a 17 and 18 year old like books on this available at a school library that's not like assigned as part of the curriculum I think you can argue whether or not it's a big deal or not.
01:33:14.000There's probably good arguments in both sets, but it's way different than, like, an eight-year-old having access to it.
01:34:09.000No, well, the issue... You could not say straight.
01:34:11.000I don't know if that was true that you couldn't say straight.
01:34:13.000It did not specify the word gay or anything.
01:34:16.000It just said you cannot talk about orientation or identity, which includes all of it.
01:34:21.000Yeah, but the problem is you generally don't need to talk about an orientation if it's straight because that's just what you assume, right?
01:34:26.000I think that the main concern, the legal argument that I heard for the concern for the quote-unquote don't say gay bill was that that bill created a private cause of action that any parent could sue or bring legal action to any school whatsoever, whatever they wanted to, if they felt like one of these things was being brought up in an appropriate manner.
01:34:40.000And that might extend to just saying that, like, an author of a poem is gay.
01:34:44.000You wouldn't necessarily say somebody's straight, because that's just assumed, right?
01:34:46.000It's like in a movie, if we see, like, a husband and a wife kissing, nobody asks a question, but when two guys are kissing, it's like, well, why are they gay, right?
01:34:53.000Obviously, there's going to be a bit of a different treatment for gay relations versus straight ones.
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01:37:06.000Yeah, like $4,000 something per month they pay.
01:37:08.000But then, like, there's free food, there's free drinks, you're hanging out with a bunch of rich people, so you're like, I got an idea for a business, and then someone connects you with someone else.
01:38:09.000All right, Max Reddick says, Tim, Sam Seder seems to think you are afraid to debate him, claiming that you asked him to come on the show during COVID as his excuse for not coming on.
01:38:18.000Would you publicly ask him to come on the show?
01:38:20.000So the issue with Sam is, I've known him for a really long time, and I made a tweet where I was like, we typically invite people on the left to come on the show, and then they just never do, they never respond, or they respond once and they don't get back to us.
01:38:33.000And then Hassan and Sam both said, I'll totally do it.
01:38:36.000And so I privately messaged both of them and said, awesome, would be excited to have you,
01:38:40.000especially Sam, because Sam was the first guy to ever give me a shout out in media ever.
01:38:43.000He said like, oh, look at these guys, Occupy Wall Street, fantastic work.
01:38:46.000And I was like, we'll cover the cost of everything, we'll fly you out.
01:38:49.000And then Sam basically was just like, I'm not going on your show.
01:38:51.000And then tweeted accusing me of like, you know, making it up or something.
01:38:55.000Oh, it might have been a COVID thing because he just went on Patrick Bette Davis' show.
01:38:59.000He tweeted at me that he was going to come on the show and then privately was like, oh, I'm not coming out there.
01:39:41.000So if I, like, Kyle Kalinske, for instance, has talked about coming on the show before, but I'm like, whenever you can, because I know you do your own show, like, I'm not, you know, if people want to come on the show, it's, it's, it's like doing me a favor.
01:39:52.000But the issue with Sam is that I, I believe he is, like, he's a grifter.
01:39:58.000You don't think he believes what he says?
01:39:59.000I believe, I think, I think maybe half of it.
01:40:02.000I think he doesn't know about a lot of issues and he says things just for the sake of shock value.
01:40:06.000He makes a bunch of videos, he's like, another thing is like all he would do is rag on Dave Rubin.
01:40:10.000He's like one of those guys who makes a bunch of videos just talking about drama and people that I'm really not interested.
01:40:15.000And then the publicly agreeing to come on the show in good faith, like when I made a good faith offer, and then privately backtracking and then putting it on me and now claiming I'm scared, like the whole thing's a bit.
01:40:47.000I feel like Sam is pretty smart compared to most of the people.
01:40:50.000If I was scared of anybody and allowed to debate, I think it would generally be Sam Seager.
01:40:53.000I'll tell you one of the personal negative experiences, but like, still going to have him on the show, was when I tried to explain to him deontological versus utilitarian moral philosophy.
01:41:19.000So my I said, when I think we're talking about universal health care, and I said, it's utilitarian versus deontological morality or ethics, right?
01:41:26.000Deontological ethics is basically stating that you cannot take an immoral action against an individual regardless of the outcome and utilitarian thinking is an action against an individual which is unethical is justified if it benefits the greater.
01:41:39.000And Sam was like, I don't know what that means.
01:41:40.000And I'm like, okay, how do I debate a guy who doesn't understand these concepts?
01:41:43.000Well, me thinking, like, I'm here to convey ideas in good faith said, think about Thanos versus like Captain America.
01:41:57.000When we released our first song, he ran it through an audio filter to make it sound bad and then played it on his show, calling it garbage and lying about it.
01:42:04.000The dude is just the lowest of low tier grifters.
01:42:41.000I didn't see the whole thing, but they talked about Medicare, they talked about finances, and then Sam, you put up a video on your channel that says, it's a picture of you and Pat, and it says, Sam Seder debates rich guy who hates taxes.
01:43:29.000In the literal sense, I believe that his shtick is to say things to convince people to watch, as opposed to say things principally which attract an audience.
01:43:47.000And then my position changes more towards, yeah, okay, maybe the cops aren't as, I'm not gonna defend the cops as much as I used to.
01:43:54.000For someone like Sam, his people, whether it was him or otherwise, running my song through an audio filter to make it sound bad, that's just weird and dirty.
01:44:46.000Free men die free says nobody will tolerate a Trump indictment while Bush, Biden and Obama roam free while being guilty of acts of treason and war crimes.
01:44:56.000Whether—I'll say this to you, Destiny—whether you agree with them having committed crimes, the sentiment, I think you would agree, among the people of this country is probably there, right?
01:45:05.000Yeah, the sentiment is there, but again, I think we have to—it's important to ask from a judicial point of view, like, what is the crime being committed?
01:45:10.000Because sometimes we just really don't like somebody.
01:45:12.000We want them to be, like, arrested, you know?
01:45:13.000I agree, and I think you made a good point about think about if it was Hillary or Trump and, like, switch the positions.
01:45:18.000I think the greater point often that I talk about though is the emotional state of this country can't tolerate something like this.
01:45:24.000It doesn't matter if it's true or correct.
01:45:26.000What matters is we know Trump supporters are going to outright be like, it's BS, it's unjust, end of story.
01:45:32.000Maybe, but I feel like there is... I agree with you to some extent, but I think that a country's strength is measured by the veracity of its institutions.
01:45:41.000And when your judicial institutions start to bend to the whims of whatever is politically expedient, you might be creating a more scary world than if you have to tolerate some tumultuous short-term period of political unrest.
01:45:52.000I think that's a really important thing to consider.
01:45:54.000You're in a really scary area when judges are thinking like, We could indict this guy, but man, you know, it's going to be really rough on Fox News for the next, like, seven days.
01:47:11.000Arbery had a guy behind him who was filming the whole time.
01:47:14.000Arbery ran around the truck and then grabbed Travis, I think it was Travis Michael's shotgun, and they fought over it.
01:47:19.000It went off into his chest, killing him.
01:47:22.000I think we can make a whole bunch of arguments about whether they should have followed or not followed, but the fact that the dude who simply filmed it is spending the rest of his life in prison, I think, says a lot about the fact that it was totally bunk.
01:47:43.000I just can't comment because I don't know the details of it.
01:47:45.000I'm not coming out here saying he robbed, he stole a lollipop from a little kid while
01:47:48.000wearing construction boots and that Kim was jogging.
01:47:51.000I'm giving you like, so the conviction was due to the fact that under the citizen's arrest
01:47:55.000law there was a potential interpretation where the gist of it is if it's a misdemeanor, you
01:48:00.000had to have witnessed the crime, but if it's a felony, you're allowed to make a citizen's
01:48:03.000arrest without being a witness to the crime.
01:48:06.000The issue was, it was an old law that was written in a simplistic way that had like a comma or something, and the jury instructions by the judge was, you interpret how you see it.
01:48:15.000The prosecution argued, regardless of a felony or misdemeanor, you had to be a witness.
01:48:19.000And the defense argued, no, no, no, there's two different clauses here.
01:48:22.000If it's a misdemeanor, you need to be a witness.
01:48:24.000However, it's a felony, you can make an arrest.
01:48:26.000The jury decided to take the prosecution's interpretation, and thus they were convicted.
01:48:30.000So, simply put, the left argues he was trespassing.
01:49:19.000I'll try to look it up more, because when I argue with left-leaning people about Rittenhouse, they give me crazy interpretations as well, but that's the case I'm far more familiar with.
01:50:02.000The circumstance in question that he was a suspect on was he was caught on camera entering private property, looking around, and then leaving.
01:50:11.000That makes him, you know, if that is proof that he committed the crime, that is felony burglary.
01:50:27.000If you put up a sign saying no trespassing, And they walk onto your property, they're now guilty of a slap on the wrist trespassing charge, because they've been given a warning.
01:50:36.000If you take a piece of thread, a tiny piece of thread, and wrap it around your property, and someone goes underneath it, they've now committed felony burglary, because they have bypassed a physical barrier, regardless of what that barrier is.
01:50:49.000So when he entered the house, he had committed a felony.
01:50:52.000Now, he wasn't convicted of it, I don't know.
01:50:53.000The point was, there were a string of burglaries and the police were asking people, have you seen this man?
01:50:59.000So when they saw him running into the street, they were like, that's the guy the cops told us about!
01:51:02.000Chased after him, called the police, the police said, do not pursue.
01:51:06.000So when you say this, okay, Jesus Christ, it's been so long and I didn't cover this one closely.
01:51:09.000So when you say the cops told him that, right?
01:51:11.000So I'm just, I'm looking at an article from The Independent.
01:51:13.000The white father and son accused of murdering Ahmaud Arbery were told by police that he wasn't a burglar days before they chased the black 25-year-old and shot him dead in the street, according to prosecutors.
01:51:21.000So were the prosecutors lying there, or did the police specifically say that this guy was not a burglar?
01:51:25.000I need to know where that article's from, because I'm talking about facts after the case.
01:51:30.000These are opening statements relating to the trial of the three white men accused of murdering black 25-year-old Ahmaud Arbery.
01:51:36.000The police went to them and said, we're looking for this man.
01:52:00.000But apparently- He wasn't just jogging, right?
01:52:02.000This is not- look- Yeah, but I'm saying like, was the citizen's arrest because
01:52:07.000he walked into a property because They thought he was stealing shit.
01:52:10.000A gun had gone missing and they thought he was the guy who did it.
01:52:12.000There was a string of thefts and burglaries.
01:52:14.000But then when Gregory McMichael is here telling investigators, I don't think the guy's actually stolen anything out of there for statements relating to seeing him.
01:52:19.000That was a video where he enters a building and then leaves.
01:52:23.000They believe that that was evidence that he had been the person who had actually been stealing things.
01:52:28.000A few weeks prior to the incident, a gun had been stolen from a vehicle.
01:52:30.000That's the most pronounced part of the story.
01:53:25.000And the ultimate conclusion was based on the fact that they were performing a citizen's arrest, but because they had not witnessed a felony in progress, they had no right to perform a citizen's arrest thus.
01:53:35.000And because the cops told them explicitly to back off, apparently.
01:53:40.000But the cops... Apparently the prosecutor said that the cops had made the statement to these people days earlier that he explicitly was not a burglary suspect.
01:53:59.000But anyway, my point is just this, not that it's, like, the clearest cut case of self-defense, like with Kyle Rittenhouse, but it's that this guy's not a jogger.
01:54:06.000It's not so simple, say, like, three guys lynched this dude or whatever.
01:54:13.000You think a guy drove 26 miles from his house to jog through a random suburban neighborhood?
01:54:17.000Um, I don't even know if that's how- this reminds me of like when people like did Rittenhouse go to a whole other state to defend his property.
01:55:05.000But no, but like, the idea that someone went jogging that decides to, in the middle of the night, jog in the middle of the night and then go into someone's house just doesn't seem to make sense to me.
01:56:26.000All right, let's grab some super chats.
01:56:31.000I'm trying to find a good one, you know, so bear with me, guys.
01:56:36.000says, Tim, Libby listened to you in an article about Biden saying trans people shape our nation's soul, no affirming care, only child sex change and medical mutilation.
01:56:47.000I know, I'm always yelling at the post-millennials, it's funny.
01:56:49.000And they like, they listen to the show and Libby's always hanging out, so it's like, they know, like, they know I know that they're gonna listen.
01:56:56.000But they wrote an article where they said something like assault rifle, and I was like, it's not an assault rifle, so they fixed it, and then they called something gender-affirming care, and I'm like, just call it a child sex change.
01:58:34.000You get a jurisdiction with a court that's like— I'm just saying that, like, I'm imagining, like, interviewing jurors, like, do you have a strong opinion on Donald Trump?
01:58:39.000Like, it feels like everybody's gonna be incredibly opinionated on him.
01:58:42.000Well, no, but there's, like, if you go 45 minutes north of New York, like, not even—of Manhattan.
01:58:47.000If you go just north of, like, the Bronx, it's 50-50 Republican-Democrat.
01:58:51.000So if they asked people, you'd get people to be like, yeah, I voted for him.
01:58:54.000Sure, oh yeah, no, but I mean, like, typically, a jury's supposed to be unbiased.
01:58:57.000It's not supposed to be six in favor of him or six against him.
01:58:59.000It's supposed to be like... Right, right, right.
01:59:12.000That's going to be scary, too, because there's going to be people who are going to look around, and they're going to be thinking they do like him, but they're not going to say it publicly.
01:59:19.000William Jones says, Tim, you need to get update on your two-way rights.
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