On this episode of The Majority Report with Sam Seder, host Tim Ferriss and co-host Matt Bender discuss a variety of breaking news stories, including Elon Musk's latest tweets, the mass shooting in Buffalo, and the Starbucks plan to pay for abortion and gender change surgeries for their employees.
00:01:00.000But hey, good for him for making things a bit more interesting, I suppose.
00:01:03.000But the story is, the CEO of Twitter basically said, we can't do an external audit of Twitter's spam bots because you need internal data.
00:01:10.000Therefore, Elon Musk's audit of bots won't be... He's basically saying his audit won't work.
00:01:16.000They're also apparently accusing Elon of violating his non-disclosure agreement by revealing that Twitter only surveyed 100 accounts to figure out how many bots they had on the platform, which is remarkably low, but I also think isn't the full picture.
00:01:33.000What I imagine they did is, it's 100, 50 times.
00:01:38.000So they look at 100, they look at 100, they look at 100.
00:01:40.000But now they're accusing him of violating his NDA.
00:01:44.000It's being reported trying to negotiate lower terms, like a lower price.
00:01:48.000Personally, I think Elon may have discovered fraud because we know that Twitter has misrepresented their numbers on two different occasions and two different reports.
00:01:55.000And we had the crazy swing in user accounts the week before they announced their bot numbers.
00:02:02.000We got a bunch of other stories we're going to get into.
00:02:05.000And some of them are going to be... Well, I'll just say this one.
00:02:07.000We have... I'm trending on Twitter because I made a tweet about abortion.
00:02:11.000Because I had a conversation with a friend in New York about abortion, and he didn't know what was in the law, and so I tweeted something that was like, incendiary, and everybody got mad.
00:02:56.000Also, I have a show called Doomed with Matt Binder that covers the far right, white supremacists, conspiracy theories like QAnon, and I have a show about crypto that takes it on from a leftist perspective called Scam Economy.
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00:04:29.000The crazy thing is during Occupy Wall Street, it was like just, you know, 12 or so years after the battle in Seattle, which I wasn't at because I was too young.
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00:07:17.000The most important story, from Fox Business.
00:07:20.000Elon Musk sends poop emoji to Twitter CEO in response to thread on spam and fake accounts.
00:07:27.000Twitter has estimated that spam and fake accounts make up less than 5% of the social media platform's users.
00:07:33.000Okay, I had to lead with the poop emoji one, but the real story is that Elon Musk may actually... A deal at a lower price is not out of the question.
00:07:42.000There's a lot to break down in this story, but basically...
00:07:45.000Elon Musk tweeted out a story from May 2nd where Twitter filed a report saying their users was around 5% of their users were spam or bots.
00:07:55.000Elon Musk said the deal was on hold until he could verify that.
00:07:58.000Today the CEO said you can't verify it because we have internal data on who people actually are and it's private that we can't share.
00:08:26.000I'm not entirely convinced the deal will go through.
00:08:28.000My personal opinion is that Elon Musk is intending to expose algorithmic manipulation and potential fraud as it pertains to bots.
00:08:37.000Two things we ended up learning since this deal was going through.
00:08:40.000One, Twitter misrepresented its user accounts by, I think, a couple million on more than one occasion.
00:08:45.000Even The Verge questioned, how could that have happened?
00:08:48.000And then we saw the strange shift where people associated with the right, libertarians, started gaining tons of followers, particularly people who are associated with like Marjorie Taylor Greene or Matt Gaetz gained a ton.
00:08:59.000But then we saw Barack Obama lose a bit.
00:09:13.000I mean, I think when it comes to that, I think people were just reacting to the news of Elon Musk.
00:09:17.000I think people heard what Elon Musk was planning to do in terms of bringing back banned users, specifically one Donald Trump.
00:09:24.000And I think you had a number of people who lean left or maybe apolitical, but just don't like Donald Trump or people of that, you know, of that political affiliation.
00:09:44.000Conservatives actually think, and I can't say all, but the ones that you see on Twitter randomly, like, you saw all these big conservative, like, influencers come on and go like, oh, I'm back because of Elon Musk.
00:09:56.000And it's like, why are you lying to your followers?
00:11:24.000But we do know that those big influencers who could have deleted, they weren't suspended and had nothing they could do to get back on.
00:11:31.000They specifically were told, delete this offending, the policy that offends, the tweet that offends our policy, excuse me, delete that and you can come back on.
00:11:39.000That's the rule for certain content that goes against their policy.
00:11:44.000And they could have done it at any time, chose not to, and the day Elon Musk's news broke, they basically came back and decided— But do you know—I don't think you can say you know that Tucker deleted the tweet.
00:12:52.000I mean, there's something certainly interesting going on at Twitter right now, and I don't think anyone could really explain it.
00:12:57.000Why did Katy Perry lose 200,000 followers?
00:12:59.000Well, I'm sure she has a user base that's mainly young, millennial, Gen Z, and we know from They're not big fans of Donald Trump.
00:13:09.000Why the following Monday did Twitter put out its report on its total numbers of bots and spam the week before we have this weird thing happen a day after the sale is announced?
00:13:41.000So the next morning, massive growth of followers, tons of people, you know, like aside from Tucker and other people who are like on suspension to remove a tweet, There were people who were saying that they were banned, and the example that I go to, and again, it's anecdotal, it's not, you know, like, more than that.
00:13:55.000The right-handed libertarian who had created a new account was banned, and we don't know why, all of a sudden getting reinstated a year later, but 24 hours after the fact.
00:14:03.000The drop-off in followers was the same thing 24 hours after.
00:14:07.000So I'd imagine that the morning they announced Elon Musk was going to buy the platform, people would have started signing up and coming back, right?
00:14:18.000I mean, because there could have been things happening behind the scenes at Twitter.
00:14:22.000There could be external factors where third parties decided to literally manipulate it so that people like you and me would sit here and pontificate about what could possibly have happened.
00:14:57.000So he had that information that under 5% were spam.
00:15:01.000But the Reuters story he shared, that's from the Twitter filing that he had already in the prior week or two when he announced he was going to buy Twitter.
00:16:41.000The idea that everyone who's got a blue checkmark or anyone who's got a lot of followers is automatically someone of means or something like that.
00:17:04.000I think if you look at most digital services, they offer a Hey, if you pay this premium package, we'll give you access to these backend tools, these analytics and things like that.
00:17:49.000I was talking about this with someone earlier.
00:17:51.000In terms of the big tech companies, Twitter was the most susceptible to something like this.
00:17:54.000You know, Elon can't afford Google or Elon can't afford Facebook.
00:17:59.000He can't afford, you know, any Apple, Amazon, Microsoft.
00:18:03.000They're well beyond the amount he could, he could barely even do Twitter.
00:18:07.000He needs to bring a whole bunch of people on board.
00:18:08.000And he needs to sell a lot of Tesla stock.
00:18:12.000But it's the one platform that's in this realm that has the same sort of cache as those other platforms.
00:18:21.000Like when you think of the big tech platforms, you throw Twitter in there even though they're nowhere near as big when you look behind the curtain.
00:18:46.000I think that's a problem with a lot of things going on.
00:18:47.000I don't are in a bubble and they don't realize that they're basically, you know
00:18:51.000Just taking information as they see it through their own lens and there's whole other worlds on other platforms even
00:18:57.000on Twitter There's whole other worlds that you probably don't don't
00:19:00.000even know who Tim pool is period. Oh for sure. Yeah Yeah, I've tracked the there's a really cool mapping thing
00:19:05.000They do they've made multiple where it shows you like the different universes on Twitter and how they can connect and
00:19:11.000some don't There's a cluster of people, it's really small, that has zero connection to the rest of the platform in any way, and it's the weirdest thing.
00:19:20.000I've seen one where there was a couple of users, and I'm just like, what are they talking about?
00:19:23.000We need to figure out what they're doing over there.
00:19:24.000Yeah, what are they doing over there by themselves?
00:19:26.000I think, though, it's the most important because it's the town square.
00:19:56.000Now, cool. No, for sure. I mean, they repost these videos and all of a sudden it's impacting
00:20:02.000laws in other states. So Twitter, Facebook doesn't do that. Right. YouTube. I mean, they'll
00:20:07.000do it a little bit because they're information platforms that have influence, but
00:20:10.000Twitter, man. I mean, so, so many have argued this.
00:20:13.000I mean, people at corporate press have even argued this.
00:20:15.000Facebook does disseminate information to people who would be more likely to believe in something they read online based on it being falsified or not factual.
00:20:27.000Simply because they seem to be the more common everyday user in terms of like, you know, your parents, your parents are on Facebook, you know, family members use Facebook for all sorts of different reasons.
00:20:39.000And people share things on Facebook that, you know, they just sort of passively read or, you know, take in and they just shared people that follow them on Facebook.
00:20:50.000Well, and I think you kind of hit the nail on the head there when you discussed family specifically, a huge part of why people use Facebook, based on my own experience, and the reason people use Instagram is because they're keeping in touch with people around them, whereas with platforms like Twitter and YouTube, yeah, they're also social media platforms, but they're much more about seeking information from complete strangers or people who you've come to trust over the years because you like their, you know, angle on things.
00:23:18.000So my point a couple weeks ago was if Twitter is confronted with this from a business perspective, They're going to say the right doesn't care if the left is saying things as much.
00:23:30.000The left does care if the right is saying things.
00:23:32.000So purely from a business perspective, we'll ban as many on the right as we can without disrupting as many users as possible.
00:23:38.000And then we don't got to ban the left because the right's not going to do anything about it anyway.
00:23:42.000Well, I mean, Twitter has a very clear... Well, first of all, I just want to say that Libs of TikTok does a little bit more than just reposting what leftists say on TikTok.
00:23:50.000We could get into that maybe in a little bit.
00:23:51.000But on this topic, you know, Twitter has a pretty clear set of rules and guidelines on their website.
00:23:59.000And it seems like maybe just right-wing accounts break those policies more so than left-wing accounts.
00:24:07.000I know plenty of people who got banned or suspended from Twitter for just literally saying like, you know, fuck you or, you know, something like that.
00:24:18.000And they get the, you know, this is not part of the Twitter policy.
00:24:21.000You're suspended for... I know people who got suspended, not even just to delete the tweet and come back.
00:24:26.000People who got suspended outright had to start new accounts for something like that.
00:25:03.000When Acorn was closed down, because James O'Keefe released that pimp video, if you recall that, he got sued and he lost because there was more video to it.
00:25:12.000And everything he said that this woman didn't, you know, didn't do, she actually went ahead and did.
00:26:09.000Look, I'm not... I think my issue with the Veritas stuff and the arguments against them, easily exemplified by I think it was Channel 4 in the UK did the exact same thing Veritas does, and it was just heaps of praise all across the media.
00:26:24.000A deceptive, like, they lie to the targets, they go in, and they say, like, here's who we are, and it's not true, and then they secretly record them, and then they publish it on the news.
00:26:34.000And it was praised by all the big mainstream publications.
00:26:38.000So if you do undercover reporting, then, I mean, I don't see what the issue is.
00:26:42.000In the settlement, James O'Keefe claimed he was unaware that the woman who was suing him literally did everything that he claimed that she didn't.
00:26:52.000She called the police the second he came in and she warned them about what was going on and what she was experiencing.
00:27:08.000I mean, James O'Keefe is Project Veritas.
00:27:11.000So, look, let's just say James O'Keefe, 10 years ago, did a bad story.
00:27:18.000No, but he also did that thing where there was that person who was dropping off ballots in, I think it was Minnesota, and the person came out and said that he completely distorted what he said.
00:27:53.000We'll pull that up because I want to make sure we have it all correct and everything.
00:27:58.000I know that there were accusations against James over that one.
00:28:02.000But my issue is just like, how many stories has Project Veritas put out?
00:28:06.000How many real substantive issues have people criticized him over?
00:28:10.000And then I'll say, first of all, I'll put it this way.
00:28:14.000I'm pretty sure that was illegal because we covered that extensively, and we went through all the laws and stuff.
00:28:19.000I don't know if Seamus wants to look it up.
00:28:21.000You can look it up, too, and we'll make sure we get the facts right.
00:28:24.000But, man, I don't understand why all of this is directed at a handful of stories Veritas does when you have, every other day, fake news coming out of the Washington Post, out of the New York Times, out of CNN.
00:28:36.000Huge stories, too, years-long spans of lies and manipulations, some that result in major lawsuits, too.
00:28:42.000You know, we still use CNN, The Washington Post, and The New York Times, despite the Covington kids' lawsuits that they're all being sued over and losing, because we recognize that news organizations get things wrong.
00:28:52.000Unless there's evidence to suggest something was not correct about it, I don't understand why we would not just hold the scrutiny of any organization.
00:29:18.000Now, by all means, you can say the video is deceptively edited if you don't believe it's true.
00:29:22.000But New York Times doesn't even put out who their sources are at the time.
00:29:25.000Well, I mean, that's basic journalism.
00:29:27.000You could not trust corporate media if you'd like.
00:29:29.000But there are surely well-respected, specific reporters and journalists who have a track record of good work.
00:29:36.000What if James O'Keefe, instead of revealing the video, just said, we have a source within Twitter who has said this thing?
00:29:42.000Well, James O'Keefe is a known liar based on what we've previously heard about the settlements and stuff, so I mean— Hold on, I gotta tell you.
00:30:10.000I'm just saying that because James has basically sued every single person who has accused him, and he's won every single case.
00:30:15.000I mean, if he wants to dispute the fact that he paid this woman $100,000 because he said that he claimed that she didn't call the police when he came in with his pimp suit claiming what he claimed, And she did, and he said he didn't know, but he put the video out, didn't ask her, I guess, afterwards.
00:30:32.000Look, look, look, I can, you know, I can, we can say yes, like, it was wrong, James did a bad thing, but I mean, how does that discredit the story?
00:32:00.000So you've got how many, what, 74 million Trump voters?
00:32:04.000I'd say the overwhelming majority are like, either don't know what it even means, or if you look at the staunch conservatives, would outright say, it's not possible.
00:32:11.000Well, we have to be very specific here about, I'm all for someone learning and understanding and using the wrong language.
00:32:16.000I mean, I know plenty of people on the left.
00:32:19.000I use the wrong pronoun or whatever for someone who, you know, does not identify as that gender.
00:32:24.000And if someone's coming at it in good faith and not meaning to, you know, to harm somebody or be, you know, Well, I don't want to deviate too much.
00:32:33.000But you brought up that there's conservatives who don't even know that's a thing.
00:32:38.000Now, if one of those conservatives does that thing on Twitter and then someone's just like, hey, you're misgendering me.
00:32:42.000And then they're just like, oh, I'm sorry.
00:32:44.000Or just, dude, I mean, people say dude all the time.
00:35:31.000I mean, I don't think it's biased against conservatives, to be quite honest, but we could go in circles on this or we could just, you know, it's up to you.
00:35:36.000So you think conservatives are... You're not making sense, man.
00:36:15.000See— Not all conservatives, but the subsection of Twitter that does want to is certainly on the right.
00:36:22.000There are people who like using bad words on the right.
00:36:25.000There are people who like using bad words on the left.
00:36:27.000I'm not going to make a blanket statement that every leftist wants to advocate for Antifa going and killing people, but there are certainly Antifa that go around advocating for killing people, right?
00:36:37.000How many people have advocated for killing Libs of TikTok?
00:37:47.000So, Seamus can argue, what do you say, transgenderism doesn't exist or what?
00:37:51.000Yeah, I don't believe gender and sex are... I don't believe in the concept of gender.
00:37:55.000It was developed, the term was first coined by Dr. John Money, who was like a pedophile and sex pervert who abused children, and created this idea that we can make this false distinguishing between a person's actual biological sex and the sex they should be treated as within society.
00:38:11.000I don't think it's a legitimate concept.
00:38:13.000I believe and I agree that there are people Who struggle with their identity.
00:38:17.000I think there are people who are deeply confused about their sexual identity.
00:38:21.000I do not believe a man can ever become a woman or that a woman can ever become a man.
00:38:28.000But I mean, I don't know the information that you just said in terms of, I could look it up, but, um, uh, you know, people do suffer from gender dysphoria.
00:38:34.000That's a real, that's a real, that's a real thing.
00:38:37.000And everybody agrees those people exist.
00:39:11.000And whether or not you compel someone to use those words has nothing to do with saying they exist or not.
00:39:18.000If you refuse to use anyone's pronouns or just refuse to even call them by their name, I mean, I don't just I mean, I don't know what to say to you.
00:39:25.000I mean, if I called you Florbo, would that be denying your existence?
00:41:04.000You can exist on Twitter without attacking a trans person.
00:41:08.000This is a left wing framing that it's attacking someone to not use the pronouns that affirm this idea that they're something that they're not.
00:41:23.000And even if I decided to identify as a woman, I still would not become a woman.
00:41:26.000But if you did, though, I would have the common respect to refer to you by your gender identity.
00:41:32.000So I absolutely believe that you are coming at this from a place of respect, but I don't think it's respectful to indulge something that's not true.
00:41:47.000If Twitter removed the rule, there would be no bias because there's no rule.
00:41:52.000If Twitter created a rule that said trans people are not allowed to use preferred pronouns, that would be biased in favor of conservatives.
00:41:59.000If Twitter also made a rule that said that, you know, you can now use the n-word, who do you think that affects?
00:42:15.000The issue is, Twitter—negative rights, positive rights, etc., etc.— Twitter is saying, here's a list of things you can't do, and it tends to be things conservatives do, right?
00:43:16.000Uh, let me, let me try and pull up the, uh, see if I can find the article.
00:43:20.000You know, one of the challenges with doing these, like we sit down and we talk about is we're always trying to, you know, figure out where we saw something and all that stuff.
00:43:28.000So let me see if I can, uh, find this.
00:43:46.000And what did they say and why did they say it?
00:43:48.000Twitter is publicly sharing research findings today, this is from Protocol, that show that the platform's algorithms amplify tweets from right-wing politicians and content from right-leaning news outlets more than people and content from the political left.
00:44:17.000An internal evaluation of Twitter's recommendation algorithms concluded that they amplify right-leaning political content more than left-leaning content, company researchers announced Thursday, undercutting allegations by many conservatives who contend they are being censored on the platform.
00:44:29.000Now that statement is just confusing and factually incorrect.
00:44:32.000Twitter can promote conservatives, but doesn't mean conservatives.
00:44:34.000You know who should get to the bottom of this?
00:44:40.000If conservatives are complaining about being censored, the fact that Twitter promotes some conservatives doesn't mean conservatives aren't being censored.
00:44:45.000The fact that Twitter would promote more conservatives doesn't mean some conservatives aren't being censored.
00:47:15.000No, I did, but that's what bothers you?
00:47:18.000What bothers me is that when I advocate for environmental policy, having worked for several environmental nonprofits— And also, I don't think the policy says, free college for black people.
00:47:42.000What do you think happens when climate change affects the United States of America?
00:47:46.000Who do you think is going to be the most affected by it?
00:47:48.000Who's not going to be able, like Ben Shapiro said, who's not going to be able to just get up, sell their house that's sailing out to the sea and going underwater, like Ben Shapiro said?
00:47:58.000Who's going to be able to easily Get themselves out of a situation that sees their neighborhood getting flooded.
00:48:05.000They're going to lose what they currently have.
00:48:10.000It's not going to be people who are in a comfortable situation who can just get up and move.
00:48:14.000It's going to be people who don't have means.
00:48:17.000So when we lift people out of poverty, we'll be able to better address climate change issues when they arise.
00:48:24.000Just to go back real quick, I did find the data showing that YouTube overwhelmingly sends content to the left and not the right.
00:48:31.000You have to send this to me because this goes against every piece of research I've ever read about YouTube.
00:48:37.000I will say outright, one of the challenges with any kind of political debate is that you're going to, everyone's going to find their sources, you know what I mean?
00:48:46.000This is an academic named Mark Ledwich who worked with a series of other academics.
00:48:50.000They've mapped out, look, they got me as anti-SJW here with Sargon of Akkad.
00:48:54.000And what they did was they grouped everything by a whole bunch of different channels.
00:48:59.000There's like white identitarian, there's partisan right, there's conspiracy, there's social justice, there's center-left, mainstream media.
00:49:04.000And then they created parents for what typically socially falls into a left or right category.
00:49:10.000And then they created this recommendation trend map showing you partisan left content typically recommends partisan left content.
00:49:20.000Center content typically recommends partisan, I'm sorry, typically recommends center content.
00:49:25.000However, when we're talking about who's getting recommended the most, From the center, you're more likely, twice or three times as likely, to get partisan left content than partisan right content.
00:49:36.000What do they consider left-wing content?
00:49:39.000Socialists, social justice, partisan left.
00:49:42.000What are we talking about here, though?
00:49:44.000Because there's right-wingers and there's all sorts of people who view NBC and CNN and other corporate media as left.
00:49:49.000No, that says center-left mainstream media.
00:49:51.000Okay, well that's center-left mainstream media.
00:49:56.000Oh, it's its own category is what you're saying.
00:49:58.000So they mean like your TV networks, the news they report, like overwhelmingly anti-Trump, for instance, comedy specials and things like that.
00:50:08.000If you go on YouTube and you watch Jimmy Kimmel, you are the most likely to just see more Jimmy Kimmel.
00:50:14.000But when it comes to the political direction information flows, as you can see from Mark Lightwich's research, and there's a couple other researchers, sorry if I'm not reading their names, I mean it looks like three or four to one, you're more likely to get partisan left-wing content than right-wing content.
00:50:29.000Well, that goes against every research effort.
00:50:31.000Here's one for example from— Now check this out, check this out.
00:50:33.000Also, if you are watching partisan right-wing content, you are more likely to be recommended center or mainstream content than if you were on the left for the same number.
00:50:43.000It seems somewhat comparable, but considering the partisan left receives 99.5 million daily impressions to the partisan right 68.6, that's a disproportionate amount of recommendations in favor of partisan left.
00:50:55.000Alright, well I need to see that study in front of me because I could easily just pull up another one that just says, you know, more than 330,000 videos and nearly 350 YouTube channels were analyzed and manually classified, labeled as either media or what we think of as factual news, alt-right, intellectual dark web, or alt-right.
00:51:12.000And then it found that YouTube's algorithm funnels people to alt-right videos.
00:51:40.000The issue is, and in large amounts, like, if a regular person goes on YouTube and watches Jimmy Kimmel, are they more likely to fall into a left or right wing rabbit hole?
00:52:15.000The purple going straight across, that represents the overwhelming majority of people who watch center or left mainstream media will only be recommended center or left mainstream media.
00:52:25.000When you look on the left, you see this line going down.
00:52:28.000That represents how many people from a mainstream media video will go to a partisan left video.
00:52:34.000As you can see, the line representing the data is substantially larger going to the left than the right.
00:52:40.000When you look at from a partisan right-wing video to the center, the line is comparable from the partisan left to the center, meaning partisan right gets two-thirds, gets 68% of what the left gets in terms of views, but has an equal amount of people being recommended away from partisan right-wing content, showing the left is favored, whether inadvertently or on purpose, on YouTube.
00:53:05.000So we can talk about Twitter, we can talk about other stuff.
00:53:07.000And again, I will stress to everybody who's watching or listening, We've had conversations.
00:53:11.000We had Olad Eliyahu on, and he pulled up Pew, which said most people are pro-choice, and then he pulled up Gallup, which said most people want restrictions on abortion.
00:53:20.000You're always going to find some data, and it's hard to know what's true, but everybody has their sources.
00:53:24.000Well, and there is an issue I just found about this specific study that you're talking about.
00:53:29.000This is the one with Mark Ledwich, right?
00:53:32.000Basically, to examine what YouTube's algorithm recommends to viewers, Ledwich and Zaitsev went through those channels' videos and scraped each one's recommendation data, so they were able to see what YouTube offered in the Up Next box to people watching each video.
00:53:50.000However, Ledwich and Zaitsev crucially did this while not logged into a YouTube account because YouTube had no personalization data to go off of.
00:54:00.000Each box of up next recommendations that served Ledwich and Zaitsev was a generalized blank slate collection of videos.
00:54:07.000The algorithm is literally incapable of introducing an anonymous logged out user to increasingly radical content.
00:54:20.000So the issue is, this research I'm talking about has nothing to do with that.
00:54:23.000I mean, it's literally the average person.
00:54:25.000Will they be fed left-wing or right-wing content?
00:54:27.000And that doesn't disprove anything I said.
00:54:29.000So basically... Nor does it provide any evidence in the contrary.
00:54:32.000I mean, it looks like, if you're logged in, based on user data and recommendation data, then it does seem like they funnel people to more right-wing content based on other studies.
00:54:47.000You know, one of the issues, too, is—we're going to run into this, and I don't think we'll have an answer for this—is who's doing the study.
00:54:54.000There was a study that will say something not true about me or not true about you if they're trying to get whatever outcome they want.
00:55:04.000This is the big challenge with trying to figure out data in this regards.
00:55:07.000There was a study that came out that claimed I was like ANCAP far-right or something, which is just like, I don't even know how they come up with that.
00:55:15.000I mean, come on, if someone wants to accuse me of being a conservative based on modern tribalism, we'll have an argument.
00:56:03.000People's whole worldviews are based on this.
00:56:06.000And want me to pull up their Twitter accounts and find the stupid things they've posted
00:56:10.000This is it look on is not just like posting something stupid Q9 is a whole belief set people's whole
00:56:16.000Worldviews are what is what is what do he defend? What he defend?
00:56:19.000Let's bring it up right now. I'll bring up the whole long medium blog vote but bug post here
00:56:24.000Let's see we got In the past few months, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube have been waging a war against QAnon, a levianth of a conspiracy theory.
00:56:37.000that explains, among other things, that there's a deep state cabal of Jewish Satanist globalist democratic elites in government, business, and the media secretly controlling the world and running a global style sex trafficking ring.
00:56:50.000Most recently, QAnon fans have claimed that COVID-19 is a hoax and that the U.S.
00:56:54.000election was rigged against Donald Trump.
00:56:56.000Social media giants recognizing these conspiracies were gobbling up a lot of engagement on their sites, took action in censoring them.
00:57:03.000Uh, and then he goes on to- Where did he defend them?
00:57:05.000So it doesn't sound like he believes in it at all.
00:57:06.000He referred to it as a conspiracy theory.
00:57:08.000And then he also said that- Well, yeah, QAnon- QAnon- No, no, no, no.
00:58:29.000If you talked to him, then that means something you could give a more— That's why I talked to him, because when he did the research and pulled it up, I asked him for comments and to clarify, and that's what we talked about.
00:59:24.000So it's not the point you wanted it to be, but my point was, if a regular person goes on YouTube, are they going to be fed in which direction?
00:59:31.000And the data shows the average person is fed to the left.
00:59:34.000Now, if you're talking about logged in users, we need to know how many of the average person who watches YouTube is logged in.
01:00:10.000We'll talk about Starbucks and then we'll go into my tweet so we can talk about the meat potatoes here.
01:00:15.000Starbucks will cover travel expenses for employees, abortion and gender change treatments.
01:00:21.000Starbucks has announced that they will be covering eligible travel costs for employees and their family members to get abortions or gender change treatments if the services are not available within 100 miles of where they live.
01:00:32.000In 2018, Starbucks broadened its health insurance options for transgender partners to not only include gender assignment surgery, which had been covered since 2013, but also a host of
01:00:40.000procedures that were previously considered cosmetic, such as breast reduction and augmentation surgery,
01:00:45.000facial feminization, hair transplants, and more, the company said in a press release. So this is
01:00:49.000not Tesla did the same thing. Actually, Tesla announced that if their employees need an abortion,
01:01:06.000I said, what happens if a woman is on the way to get an abortion at eight months, but goes into labor in the lobby of the abortion clinic and accidentally delivers the baby before it could be terminated?
01:01:53.000But the Democrats tried passing a bill that would legalize in many states Termination of the baby up to nine months, up to the point of birth.
01:02:02.000In Colorado they've already legalized it.
01:02:04.000Kathy Tran in Virginia tried passing a bill.
01:02:08.000Ralph Northam famously talked about it.
01:02:10.000So the bill proposed by Democrats that was recently voted down does include a provision HR 3755 that says in section 3 paragraph I'm sorry section 4 paragraph 9 section 4 of course starts by saying a patient has a corresponding right to receive such services without any of the following limitations or requirements section 9 says a prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when in the good faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient's life or health
01:02:43.000I showed this article to my friend and said, I have a question.
01:03:03.000Because if you're saying induced labor or c-section is abortion, I think we're in agreement here.
01:03:08.000You can end the pregnancy, but preserve the life of the baby.
01:03:11.000The definition of abortion, according to Merriam-Webster, though, is the termination of a pregnancy following or directly relating to the death of the baby after the fact.
01:03:23.000So I don't understand why they would have to create a law and try to pass it that would legalize abortion at all.
01:03:30.000If a woman is eight months pregnant and the doctor says, if you continue this pregnancy, you will die, well, then they deliver the baby.
01:03:40.000Why kill the baby in the process when you can just remove it?
01:03:43.000Can you read that for me one more time?
01:03:45.000So the important first section of Section 4A, General Rule, a health care provider has a statutory right under this Act
01:03:55.000to provide abortion services, and may provide abortion services, and that provider's
01:03:59.000patient has a corresponding right to receive such services without any of the following limitations or requirements.
01:04:06.000Section 9 reads, a prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient's life or health.
01:04:46.000So I'm saying the reason I tweeted that is because if a woman is at eight months pregnant and she decides to terminate the pregnancy, aborting the baby and killing it.
01:04:54.000You know, at eight months pregnant, you don't decide to terminate.
01:05:21.000I think you have to add, because of medical reasons.
01:05:23.000No, no, because it's important to be very specific that people are not carrying a fetus for eight months and then just going, eh, I don't know, that's not happening.
01:05:34.000There's already restrictions that say at that moment... You know about Gosnell, right?
01:05:41.000Women were getting elective abortions at nine months.
01:07:01.000No one's carrying a baby for eight months and then has to go... That's not an argument.
01:07:04.000If the doctor saying no one does a thing is not real because some people did and some people don't, and we're not talking about, we're talking about the law.
01:07:11.000The law says If a woman is pregnant, and for any reason, do you believe that for any reason a woman has a right to terminate her pregnancy?
01:08:15.000If the mother is told that she will die, and there's no way at eight months, we're talking eight months, this woman wants the baby, they'll do whatever they can to save the baby.
01:10:37.000If there's something terribly, horribly wrong with a child where it's going to grow up and immediately die or be in horrible pain for hours before dying anyway.
01:10:45.000Would you agree with a provision added to this bill saying all efforts must be made to preserve the life of any baby after viability?
01:10:52.000I mean, you're asking for exactly what's there.
01:10:54.000But if that makes you happy, then I mean, sure, why not?
01:13:19.000Don't give me an absolute and then tell me not to make an edge point.
01:13:22.000Don't say no one did it when someone did it.
01:13:25.000The point is, I'm asking you moral questions on where your position is so I can understand why you would support these positions because I don't understand.
01:13:33.000So, if the baby was delivered, you're saying it can't be killed.
01:13:39.000If the woman was intending to abort the baby at 8 months and went into an early labor while she was going to the abortion clinic and the baby was born right there in the lobby, could she not kill it now?
01:13:52.000Well, if she had the baby as she was going to get her eight month abortion, there's something horribly wrong with that baby.
01:13:58.000I hope it's not in pain because they were, she was going to... Can you answer the question?
01:14:01.000I just, I'm talking about it right now.
01:14:43.000The challenge I have as a traditional liberal and social liberal is when you start introducing the rights of secondary persons to the equation like Roe v. Wade actually stated.
01:14:52.000The privacy rights of the baby enter at the point of viability, these questions are difficult to answer.
01:14:58.000So my position has always been safe, legal, rare, first trimester discretion of the woman.
01:15:02.000Even though I really don't like the idea of abortion as contraception.
01:15:33.000He was talking about, there's context right before, where he said that if there was something horribly wrong with the baby, like the baby's born in a vegetative state and is not going to live a life that, you know, it's not going to live.
01:15:47.000But you didn't say that he did either.
01:15:49.000So, for one, we've played the video multiple times.
01:15:51.000What he said was, this typically, so he's asked by the presenter, Kathy Tran presented a bill that would legalize abortion up to the point of birth.
01:15:59.000He said typically this happens in instances of severe disability or deformity.
01:16:04.000And I will tell you what would happen.
01:16:13.000So my issue there is, I disagree, I mean, if a baby is alive, I think every effort must be made to try and save its life.
01:16:21.000I think if a homeless person is bleeding and they fall onto the stairs of a hospital, the hospital absolutely must save that person's life.
01:16:28.000The same thing as a baby that's born with deformities or otherwise.
01:16:31.000I don't think you can see a person and be like, they're dying, we should kill them, whether it's a baby or otherwise.
01:16:56.000I'd probably say we would lean towards preserving the life of Terri Schiavo.
01:17:00.000Even though that's not what she wanted?
01:17:03.000Well, if that was the case, yeah, I don't know enough about it.
01:17:05.000If she signed a do not resuscitate, I'd say... No, she literally, she told her husband that she did not want to be left in a vegetative state.
01:17:10.000Then that's her right with signing a DNR, absolutely.
01:17:13.000This was according to her husband and there's no formal paperwork and her parents said we will take care of her.
01:18:09.000So social liberals is a reference to... So do you think that, you know, in the case of a child's health that, you know, and they're not adults, so they can't make decisions for themselves.
01:18:19.000Do you think the parent can make that decision for a child's health?
01:18:23.000Okay, so if a baby is born in a vegetative state, can the parent decide to put it out of its misery and not let it just die a slow, agonizing death and say, I am the next of kin.
01:19:41.000I clearly have legal questions about an individual suffering a serious injury.
01:19:44.000We're not talking about with like a limp arm or something.
01:19:46.000We're talking about a quality of life disability where they will never be able to have any quality of life.
01:19:54.000I can say the same thing over and over again.
01:19:56.000I believe that we should not allow doctors to kill a baby regardless.
01:20:02.000I think every effort should be made to preserve the life of the baby.
01:20:04.000Okay, so you don't think that people should have a right to die with dignity at all, basically?
01:20:10.000Kathy Newman, we're not talking about that.
01:20:12.000If a woman... I think it all really wraps up together.
01:20:16.000If a woman like Terri Schiavo suffers a stroke, a disease, she's older and later in life, and she has the ability to make a cognitive decision, or her next of kin does, and it's the issue of do we pull her off life support, that's different from a newborn baby in a different legal context.
01:20:30.000No, the legal context is the parents have the full right to do what's best for their child.
01:20:34.000This is a conservative position too, by the way, in terms of parents having the right to... How many times do I have to tell you I'm a liberal?
01:20:55.000So we're not talking about food, water, basic treatment.
01:20:58.000We're talking about things like being hooked up to an insane amount of machines, things that are incredibly burdensome.
01:21:06.000There is a difference between a person in that situation who's saying, without all of these unnatural means I would die, so pull the plug, and saying, this person's alive, but they're suffering, so we're going to kill them.
01:21:16.000There's a difference between pulling the plug in a life support situation, where that person requires extraordinary means to stay alive, and a person who is alive, and is sustained, but you're deciding to go out of your way to kill them.
01:23:51.000If only this country did something for mothers, they could all be in that same position.
01:23:55.000So the reason I disagree with late-term abortion, especially, I mean, partial birth abortion is out of the question, is that when a secondary individual's rights are brought into question, you don't have an easy way to say one person's rights trump another.
01:24:09.000In which case, I think late-term abortions are wrong.
01:24:12.000I think the killing of a baby, the terminating of a pregnancy, as the CDC defines it, as the Democrats propose it, would be wrong.
01:24:18.000And for some reason, Seamus over here, who's pro-life, who disagrees with me, Lydia, who disagrees with my position, Have a much more reasonable position to where I'm at than the left does.
01:24:50.000We don't like it, but we recognize the extent to which we're willing government to allow to have a say in certain matters when it comes to a person's life.
01:24:57.000But when it comes to the issue of a viable baby, then killing it would be egregious and wrong.
01:25:02.000Now, that position doesn't exist among the modern left in terms of the political space.
01:25:06.000I can talk to a Democrat like my friend who will tell me that's their belief, and I'll say, but that's not what the Democrats are trying to pass.
01:25:12.000According to the CDC, abortion would end the life of the baby, and the Democrats passed a bill that had a blanket open the life of the baby can be ended if the mother's health is in question.
01:25:21.000But if the mother's health is in question, it doesn't explain why you would end the life of the baby when you could just induce labor or perform a c-section.
01:25:27.000And that's what happens when that situation is possible?
01:25:33.000The CDC defines abortion as a procedure intended to terminate a suspected or known ongoing intrauterine pregnancy, and that does not result in a live birth.
01:26:20.000I don't know, that's what you've been saying, that it needs to be safe, legal, and rare.
01:26:22.000So what do you consider to be safe, legal, and rare?
01:26:27.000Without bringing up anything in other states, give me what you consider a safe abortion, a legal abortion, and what rare means in the term of abortion.
01:26:35.000So, safe, legal, and rare is a political catchphrase from the 90s.
01:27:57.000But I don't think it should... I just... I don't like the idea that the government intervenes at a certain stage in the pregnancy, and so... But you still haven't answered my question about what safe, legal, and rare means to you.
01:28:11.000Like, what does rare for you mean in the sense of abortion?
01:29:41.000Those are just easy ways to understand what I really mean.
01:29:43.000No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't know the point you're trying to make.
01:29:53.000set the remove the restrictions on on trimester and raise the question of
01:29:56.000viability I don't know what you're asking okay and it also paved the way
01:30:00.000for more I don't know the point you're trying to make restrictions right okay
01:30:05.000so we already allowed in this country dude thanks to Roe v.
01:30:10.000Wade and Casey be Planned Parenthood we can a state can decide to put
01:30:17.000restrictions on abortion even in the first trimester now since 1992 Casey
01:30:24.000And after viability, which is different for every woman, it's up to a doctor to decide through scanning and everything, they can then say, once it's viable, the state can ban abortion completely at that point.
01:30:39.000Except for in the case of health of the mother.
01:32:15.000I'm sorry, the abortion as legally defined shouldn't.
01:32:17.000A induced delivery via C-section or labor.
01:32:20.000So what is your opinion about what's, because we're talking about this now and you know I think obviously we have our opinions and we're agreeing on some things and disagreeing on others.
01:32:29.000What is your opinion on what's going on right now though?
01:32:44.000I think, especially when the conservatives argue rape and incest, it seems to be a conflicted argument where they say, Uh, in the instance of rape and incest, we'll allow that exception.
01:32:53.000And I'm like, I can understand that point from a libertarian perspective, but not from a moral position on when life begins.
01:33:01.000Yeah, there's a couple things I want to jump into here.
01:33:03.000So you mentioned situations where a mother has to have an abortion because her life is at risk.
01:33:08.000And there are doctors I've spoken to, there are even notes and petitions signed by literal hundreds of doctors who say that is an inaccurate description.
01:33:18.000There is no such thing as a medically necessary abortion.
01:33:20.000There are procedures that might need to be performed on a woman who is pregnant, which can cause her to miscarry.
01:33:27.000But that is not the same as an abortion.
01:33:29.000Abortion is when you go in there with the direct intent To end the life of an unborn child.
01:33:34.000If there's an operation, I just want to say, if there's an operation that has to be performed in order to save the life of the mother, but it poses a risk to the unborn child and increases the probability that they will die, that there will be a miscarriage, that is not an abortion.
01:33:48.000That is an attempt at a medical procedure that has an unintended consequence.
01:33:52.000That is the CDC's definition of abortion.
01:33:55.000I think that's important because when I tweeted that thing about abortion at eight months, Hassan's followers said, you're an idiot, they would perform a c-section or induced labor.
01:34:06.000But the CDC doesn't define induced labor or c-section as that.
01:34:10.000It says not resulting in a live birth.
01:34:13.000What I'm confused about here, and we could talk about this, I feel like we've already covered this, but what I'm concerned about here in terms of talking with you about this is, for the past couple of weeks I've noticed you've been talking a lot about this issue, and it's been a big issue since Roe v. Wade, but your focus seems to have been on these sort of edge cases that bolster the Anti-choice position like you're not here sitting here and talking about how horrible it is About all the women who will miscarry and go through all sorts of the legal issues in these red states.
01:34:47.000You're not sitting here talking about state You know how hard that is for people?
01:34:53.000Not everyone is... No, it's not just... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:34:55.000That's a major factor in people's lives.
01:34:58.000But you've also not heard me say, apparently, that when I tell conservatives, if you want to live in these areas where your kids are in these schools, you need to get up and move, and it might be hard.
01:36:02.000Considering that I've been speaking about that issue for a long enough period of time, and we live next to Loudoun County, and people in Virginia are fans of the show, and I see them, I think we did.
01:36:11.000I think the fact that I said these psychopaths are trying to pass a bill where the woman actually said at the point of birth you could kill the baby, I think that absolutely contributes to people being like, vote her out, get her out.
01:36:21.000Now, I don't know if she's still in office, but Northam for sure.
01:36:37.000What's going to happen to women's rights?
01:36:40.000I will not stand next to a man who told me to my face he is okay with killing a baby at 9 months.
01:36:46.000If I had to make the choice between banning abortion across the board or standing next to people who would advocate for 9 month abortion, I will stand next to the people who are saying ban it across the board.
01:37:00.000You need to understand how psychotic the left in Colorado sounds when they say, terminate the life of the baby at viability to the overwhelming majority of this country that think that's wrong.
01:37:14.00070% of this country is pro-choice and believes there should be restrictions.
01:38:28.000So, social liberal is a center-left position on the political compass.
01:38:32.000That's typically where I've been my whole life.
01:38:34.000There are deep moral and ethical questions I don't have the answers to.
01:38:37.000At this point, considering the disruption in the United States and the extreme hyperpolarization, I would fall more towards on states' rights.
01:38:45.000And that's because... That's not a liberal position at all.
01:38:49.000I mean, states' rights is firmly in right-wing libertarianism.
01:38:53.000It's not right-wing libertarian, it's actually just general libertarian.
01:38:56.000So left libertarians also agree with decentralization of authority and power.
01:39:00.000Left-wing libertarians do not agree with decentralization of authority and power.
01:39:40.000So if you're a left libertarian, you typically agree with like... But left libertarians agree in civil liberties across the board.
01:39:45.000They don't want like one state saying civil liberties, these civil liberties are okay, but another state is saying those civil liberties are not okay.
01:39:52.000If the state enforces something as authoritarian.
01:40:44.000If I were to say the federal government should step in, it would stop Colorado from doing it.
01:40:49.000My position on Roe v. Wade, for the most part, is that I agree with it.
01:40:53.000My position on today's politics across the board is that the country is being gutted and ripped apart, and perhaps preventing conflict means pulling back on what states can do, weakening the federal government.
01:41:05.000That's not a position on abortion, it's a position on authority versus liberty.
01:41:08.000It means bad things will happen I don't like.
01:41:10.000But it also means I'm worried that the extreme polarization of Colorado or Virginia versus Oklahoma are deeply troubling and maybe pulling back federal authority can help alleviate some of the tension.
01:41:23.000I'm not saying it's a guaranteed answer and I don't know it's right.
01:41:26.000But my position on authority versus liberty is irrespective of abortion.
01:41:29.000My position on authority and liberty means bad things happen I don't like, but I'm trying to stop people from killing each other.
01:41:36.000If you have a total ban on abortion, the left goes nuts.
01:41:40.000If you have unrestricted abortion, the right goes nuts.
01:41:43.000So what we have right now seems to be, you know, you talk about compromise, right?
01:41:47.000What we have right now would be your perfect scenario, right?
01:41:50.000It's not because in many states they were moving all the restrictions and the Democrats at the federal level just tried to allow the termination of a baby at nine months.
01:42:00.000If they add a provision to it that says all efforts must be made to save the life of a baby and took out the term abortion and said a pregnancy can't be ended.
01:42:29.000I think he just says what he thinks is going to play the best, and I don't think he's genuinely interested in fixing problems.
01:42:36.000What did you think about him killing Build Back Better?
01:42:38.000Define- you mean the- the infrastructure plan?
01:42:40.000No, the bill that had a swath of things.
01:42:43.000The main thing for me, the main thing that would have really been amazing is the child care, the return of the child tax credits, the extension of the 3K federally.
01:42:58.000I mean, those are huge, amazing things.
01:43:00.000If you're a fan of doing the best for children in this country, those things were fantastic.
01:43:08.000In 2008, into 2012, into 2016, I've always been in favor of social programs, and I've always advocated for such.
01:43:15.000My concern with them is that what happens with a lot of these social programs is, let's say you get a wound on your arm, is my analogy.
01:43:31.000The problem with the government is that 12 months later, instead of taking the bandage off and assessing the issue, sunsetting or otherwise, they reapply another bandage on top.
01:43:40.000Instead of using this weird anecdote, can you give me an actual example?
01:44:20.000You can look at the disaster that was Pruitt-Igoe, right?
01:44:23.000So I did a documentary on the public housing and how instead of reassessing and solving the problem, it dissolved into racist violence and created some of the most worst racial tensions in this country in St.
01:44:36.000My issue with government programs is that they're good, but we need to make sure we have strong leadership and we don't just say, sign the check, sign the check, sign the check, sign the check.
01:44:46.000My issue right now— What did you think of the child tax credit?
01:44:52.000Sure, parents of children under the age of, I think it was six, would get $300 a month tax credit, and then over six to, I believe, I don't remember when the cutoff was, I know specifically six and two-year-olds, because that's the age of my children.
01:45:09.000And so every month I was able to receive, along with everybody else who has a child in that age range,
01:45:14.000300 for the under six, 250 for the six-year-old. And for me personally,
01:45:23.000like people might be shocked to know this if they know me as a blue check on Twitter.
01:45:27.000But just having a blue check on Twitter doesn't mean you're all that rich or wealthy.
01:45:47.000One, child tax credits are incredible and really good things.
01:45:51.000We, if there's anything we want to do in this country, is provide tax breaks to parents and do what we can to encourage people to have families.
01:45:58.000Second point is, my criticism of Build Back Better, for the most part, was the economy is imploding.
01:46:05.000So my perspective on a lot of these things has less to do with what a perfect society can and should do, and more so like, have you looked at the M1 money stock recently?
01:46:16.000Well, one thing, while you're doing that, you said before that you believe you had some power based on where you are in terms of local politics.
01:46:24.000Well, I'm talking about, as a resident of West Virginia, my advocacy plays a role in what people in West Virginia do.
01:46:31.000While you're on air right now, you should tell Joe Manchin that the child tax credit was a huge help to families across this country.
01:46:38.000Joe Manchin's child tax credit was a huge help to families across this country.
01:47:28.000And if you look beyond the major spike, this is the M1 money supply.
01:47:33.000It's a reference to money in circulation.
01:47:36.000In 2020, because of the pandemic, the rules were changed that allowed savings accounts to enter general money supply.
01:47:43.000It used to be that there were limitations on how much you could pull out of savings.
01:47:46.000This caused a massive spike in the money supply from $4 trillion up to $16 trillion eligible in the money supply.
01:47:54.000But we can ignore that because it's a rule change, although I think it's substantial.
01:47:57.000You take a look at from May of 2020 until today, and you can see that the economy has expanded, or I should say that the money supply has expanded by over $4 trillion.
01:48:06.000One of the reasons, if not the biggest reason, why we're seeing such rapid inflation, which is gutting families, is because of the mass spending.
01:48:14.000I'd love to see a tax credit for families based on kids.
01:48:17.000I'd love to see people get huge benefits when they have kids.
01:48:20.000And I think it's one of the best ways to actually dish out tax credits.
01:48:22.000Sure, and I just want to also add again that Republicans vote against those things all the time.
01:48:26.000They are the ones who are against that.
01:48:32.000So when you look at the money supply and you realize that we are headed towards a credit cardiac arrest, stealing that line from Hugo Ferrant in Juice Wrapped News, we can't sustain this.
01:48:58.000Only after every trucker has run out of gas, after every factory has stopped producing and every farm stopped tilling will socialists realize you can't eat money.
01:49:07.000What do you think we should do about it?
01:49:09.000I think we've got to curtail the spending and raise interest rates.
01:49:12.000One of the things they did was raise interest rates.
01:52:04.000What is that law about taxes going too high and people losing tax revenue?
01:52:08.000Yeah, so this is known as the Laffer Curve.
01:52:10.000And basically, there are some left-wing people who will say the Laffer Curve doesn't exist, but it's an uneducated take because every left-wing economist agrees it exists.
01:52:17.000The only disagreement between the left and the right is where that parabola peaks and how high of a tax rate you can get away with, how that changes based on industry.
01:52:24.000But regardless of what tax rates have been, generally speaking, federal revenues have never exceeded 20% of GDP.
01:52:31.000So there's no real reason to believe we could ever have anything greater than that in federal revenue for a sustained period of time regardless of what the tax rate is.
01:52:40.000I'm gonna try and see if I can find an alternative way to pull up the super chats.
01:53:35.000I certainly think we can raise the brackets so we space things out and we end up taxing the rich more.
01:53:42.000The majority of millionaires I think run what are called, what did the New York Times call it?
01:53:48.000I don't know what the New York Times calls it.
01:53:49.000Rich people, the majority of the 1% are auto dealers and plumbing companies and construction companies.
01:53:56.000They're people who own small businesses with a few franchises who make more than a million dollars a year, and that's the top 0.1%.
01:54:02.000Then there's a small handful of billionaires, like in the couple hundred.
01:54:06.000But billionaires is based on net worth, which is very often imaginary numbers.
01:54:14.000If you raise capital gains, you reduce trade volume in the market.
01:54:19.000Reducing trade volume reduces your revenues.
01:54:20.000It's the Laffer Curve he's referring to.
01:54:22.000So just raising rates 90% doesn't change anything.
01:54:25.000It just disrupts the system and causes major hiccups.
01:54:27.000Although I said I agree with taxing the rich.
01:54:30.000I think the issue is, for me, When I, when I, when I made this point about abortion and then all of these people associated with the left were like, that's just, they would just do a c-section, they would just do endless labor, they don't know what the legal definition is, they don't know the CDC definition, and they don't know what the Democrats tried to do.
01:54:47.000Instead of actually engaging honestly and legitimately saying, that's an interesting point the law is making there, they just ignore it, say I'm stupid, or just don't even engage with the issue.
01:54:57.000I don't know who you're specifically talking about, but, um, I think, I think, I think we, well, I'm sitting here and I think we engage with it quite well.
01:56:45.000If you want me to go through YouTube and spend a minute to find the source and find the exact minute in the 20-minute segment where I said what you're trying to refer to.
01:56:52.000You could pull up the subtitles and go right to it.
01:57:40.000I pull up mainstream media stories and I criticize how things are covered all the time.
01:57:43.000For example, I'm sure on this show you've covered the string of, you know, thefts, smash and grabs that are happening in, for example, I don't know, San Francisco or something like that.
01:58:12.000The mainstream media has covered these stories ad nauseam over and over again.
01:58:18.000And if you look up the stats when it comes to- I'm sorry, man, I don't mean to interrupt you, but If we want to get at the core of my argument, it's not that the media is not talking about it because I used mainstream news sources in my coverage of it.
01:58:44.000But I'm bringing up what you said earlier in your video today, where you, for each story, said that the mainstream media just didn't cover these things.
01:58:56.000I'm just bringing up why I think that's important.
01:58:58.000Because as an independent media outlet, your viewers are coming to you for news that they think is of higher quality than what they find in the mainstream, correct?
01:59:39.000I'm talking to your viewers about why that's important that I did that.
01:59:42.000I think independent media should be held up to a higher standard of you and I, even on my own show.
01:59:48.000Are going to criticize mainstream media's failures.
01:59:51.000I think a lot of times we just don't do that.
01:59:53.000I think a lot of times media, and I've criticized the left on this too, we often say, oh no, we're just independent media, it happens, I made a mistake, whatever.
02:00:02.000No, if this was CNN who made that mistake you made, or a mistake that I made on my show, I would not just go, oh, Anderson Cooper apologized, it's no big deal.
02:00:11.000No, we would expect them to do better and we'd hold them accountable to that mistake.
02:00:41.000That the mainstream media did, in fact, actually cover those shootings.
02:00:45.000So, I think you should make a video pointing out that you haphazardly labeled a public figure a QAnon supporter, even though he wasn't, and then we're searching for evidence of it.
02:03:19.000My point is, Whenever there's an extremist, like the Rolling Stone says, the Buffalo shooter isn't a lone wolf, he's a mainstream Republican, which is just not true.
02:03:30.000He may have some, he may share ideas, but the joke is always like, you know who had a dog?
02:03:36.000Hitler had a dog, you know, things like that.
02:03:38.000This guy believed in the Great Replacement, which Tucker Carlson has also talked about and referenced.
02:03:45.000I wouldn't call Great Replacement mainstream Republican as a point to say that anyone who holds that view is a mainstream Republican.
02:03:56.000So the issue with the Rolling Stone is that they said he is, and it's because of like a single thing.
02:04:01.000But the issue is there's also many left-wing personalities, identitarians, who have expressed similar ideas.
02:04:07.000This guy also claimed in his manifesto that he was authoritarian left.
02:04:11.000I don't think we can take his word for it.
02:05:58.000And again, the Twitch thing, for sure, that makes it huge.
02:06:02.000My issue is, I don't like, for this story, how the guy... You've got people on the right picking up his left-wing things, and people on the left picking up his right-wing things, and they're both just pointing at each other.
02:06:12.000If this guy, I'm willing to bet, his goal was to foment civil war.
02:06:16.000And that's why you get these weird manifestos.
02:07:01.000So I think that's a failing of the media, and it's why, you know, people were tweeting at me like, why aren't you talking about Buffalo?
02:07:07.000People have been tweeting me all weekend, and I'm like, I'm not talking about Milwaukee either.
02:07:10.000Also, the media basically reacts with coverage based on what an audience is interested in.
02:07:18.000Like if there was massive interest in one of those stories that they covered, again, they all covered those stories that you brought up and said that there was no coverage of.
02:07:25.000But it's like local outlets and like corporate press.
02:07:44.000So why is it that we don't have a national conversation around these other instances?
02:07:48.000I mean, I'm pretty sure they probably have done.
02:07:50.000If you look at their history, I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one special on the issue.
02:07:55.000I think the issue is actually conservatives are all reactive.
02:07:59.000You know, so they wait for something to come out and they start quote tweeting people and it's just like, Kyle Rittenhouse was trending and it's just like, Because people on the left started saying it, then the right started responding to it, and that's how you get certain stories being elevated.
02:08:29.000But in your video, I mean, you constantly hedged back and forth on he definitively said that, but— And the media lied about it, is my point.
02:08:36.000Like, when they say he's a Republican and the dude says he's not, you can't just say he's the other guy!
02:08:41.000Well, what left-wing politicians are advocating for anything that he's mentioned in terms of immigration or anything like that?
02:08:50.000Do you mean like general identitarianism?
02:09:12.000When you have like all the presidential candidates on the Democrat stage raising their hands saying moratorium on border crossings and, you know, free health care for non-citizens, That is policies put forth that motivate him to do the things he's doing.
02:11:15.000So if you want to talk about those who are speaking out against it, there was a meme back in, I think it was, like, 2016 or even sooner, where it was talking about how what we referred to back then as, like, intersectionality, was advocating for racial groups to join together.
02:11:29.000The only natural conclusion would be white racial groups agreeing, and we don't want that.
02:11:38.000So what we need to encourage is, you know, integration and diversity.
02:11:42.000But when you have, like, non-POC POC events, when you have, like, Seattle Library doing DEI, like, non-POC and POC different rooms for libraries, you are telling all of the white people to go into a room.
02:11:56.000You actually had, in the Sacramento Unified School District, they encouraged kids to form white racial identity groups.
02:12:02.000Are you arguing that a library having a people of color space is something that we shouldn't do because of something like this?
02:12:13.000Let me ask you, to answer your question.
02:14:01.000Racial affinity groups offer a structure of inquiry and can address many needs.
02:14:04.000They support us in exploring what has been forbidden, forgotten, and unhealed.
02:14:07.000For example, in racial affinity groups, white people can discover together their group identity.
02:14:12.000They can cultivate racial solidarity and compassion and support each other in sitting with the discomfort, confusion, and numbness that often accompany white racial awakening.
02:14:22.000They can also discern white privilege and its impact without the aid of or dependence on people of color.
02:14:29.000White people who have formed racial affinity groups report that they recognize their collective commonality and shared history, as well as the impact that their privilege has had on other races and on each racial affinity group member.
02:14:42.000And then it seems like if that's the case, then they would then go out into society and treat people of color in a way that they weren't treated before.
02:14:56.000Or do you think they talk about— If they're getting together in an anti-racist group, then yeah, I do.
02:15:01.000So if you took a bunch of white people and put them- Because I could tell you that the shooter's not going to an anti-racist affinity group.
02:15:06.000So this is anti-racist classroom, a program for schools.
02:15:10.000They're not going to the students and saying, they're saying, we're having white racial affinity groups.
02:15:15.000When you're not just letting them sit down and start talking about white power, you're sitting them down and you're guiding a discussion into what white privilege is.
02:15:23.000And what do you think happens when a group of young white kids sit down and talk about white history?
02:15:27.000What do you think they say to each other?
02:17:51.000The fact remains that a school created a program where only white kids would be allowed and you're okay with it.
02:17:55.000Now if you don't have the balls to say you're okay with it, fine, don't say it, but stop playing games.
02:18:00.000Are you okay when a teacher tells the boys to line up on one side of the classroom and girls to line up on the other side of the classroom?
02:19:46.000We're both probably—I'm assuming you are—we're both against segregation in terms of a school for blacks and a school for whites.
02:19:55.000I am under the impression that this is, from what you're telling me, an anti-racist class— a one-time class discussion on white privilege, and I think it's fine.
02:20:44.000So for me, I think my perspective comes from... You're multiracial, yeah.
02:20:48.000I come from a family that dealt with segregation.
02:20:50.000And they told me exactly what you're agreeing with is exactly what they were scared of.
02:20:53.000And so when I'm like desperately being like, this is crazy, you're like, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine.
02:20:57.000And then I'm like looking back at the stories from my grandpa and my parents and they're like, this is the scariest thing we've seen in a long time.
02:21:19.000It's the same argument they made and the same argument they make today.
02:21:23.000Wait, so schools were segregated back in like the 50s because they were separating— Separate but equal.
02:21:28.000They were separating the whites to talk about white privilege and anti-racism action.
02:21:32.000They were justifying the separation on some kind of physical or academic terms or like cultural terms, like there was a justification for why it was okay this time.
02:22:17.000I view white privilege as there are things in my life Here's an even better way of putting it.
02:22:23.000If you are a white person and everything has gone wrong for you in terms of, you know, you're homeless and you can't get a job and you could be the most unluckiest person on the face of the planet, it likely did not happen to you because you were white.
02:22:59.000And if you understand that, if you understand that there are certain things that have not happened to you because you're white, then you understand what black people or, you know, Latino people or Asian Americans go through that you just haven't had to go through.
02:23:48.000I know, but we're half an hour over already.
02:23:53.000The last thing I want to say is, I feel like when you have a school that is predominantly run by wealthy elites, Sacramento, San Francisco tends to be, California I think is overwhelmingly white.
02:24:07.000And they create a classroom where they say, come on, all the white kids are going to come in and we're going to talk about privilege.
02:24:12.000And they talk about how much privileged they are and the things they have over other races.
02:24:17.000I think the likely outcome is going to be a bunch of white kids hearing that they have better things, that they've done better, that through their history they've achieved or taken more than other races.
02:24:45.000Well, I just think that if you take a bunch of white people and tell them to go to a room by themselves to talk about privilege, they're not going to have a negative conversation about themselves.
02:24:52.000Like, if I asked a bunch of... I'm going to seriously... Let me ask you.
02:24:55.000I'm going to seriously... I mean, again, I can't... This is me pontificating here.
02:24:58.000I'm going to assume that if you tell kids to do that sort of thing in a class, that there is a teacher or some sort of, I don't know, anti-racist advocate, someone leading the class and helping these children along in taking part in this activity.
02:25:15.000We should contact the school and find out how this went, ask if we could talk to We could send some questions that the children, the kids, how old are these kids?
02:25:25.000It's a great school, so kindergarten through to eighth.
02:25:27.000Maybe have them answer what they learned.
02:25:30.000What if I did like an event and it was called like Leftist Affinity?
02:25:37.000And it was to have a conversation around all of the horrible things that leftists had done throughout the past several hundred years and to understand their privilege.
02:25:44.000Do you think if I brought in a bunch of... You didn't listen to anything that I just said about white privilege, though.
02:25:51.000So, do you think that if I took a bunch of people of any group and put them in a room, they would talk critically about themselves or talk positively about themselves?
02:26:00.000I mean, four of us are in here right now, right?
02:26:03.000And we're just having a regular conversation, and... And clearly I will not accept, you know, like, I'm like, this is what I know to be true, this is what's right.
02:26:12.000You say the same thing, Seamus says the same thing.
02:26:14.000So my attitude is, and I don't want to go in circles, so we'll go to Super Chats, and I'll give you, you know, I don't want to take the final word.
02:26:20.000But my point is, I think if you try to do your best and tell a bunch of white people to keep forming groups or to have rooms that are only for white people, like Dearborn did, like they did in the library, I think it was in Seattle, like the school's doing, like we've seen in a bunch of other states, like in Atlanta they did it.
02:26:35.000The principal took the black kids out.
02:27:07.000But what if, what if, what if these kids answer and they say this was a very, the white kids and the people of color, they both come out and said, this was a very positive thing we went through and it actually made our relationship with our, you know, the white kids say our relationship with our black friends is better, black kids say their relationship with their white friends are better.
02:27:25.000What if that was what they found and got out of this?
02:27:27.000What would you, you know, what would you think?
02:27:29.000So this is what I was told it was like pre-1964.
02:27:32.000that Plessy v. Ferguson, like Derrick Bell's argument, that Derrick Bell, the critical race theorist argues,
02:27:37.000Plessy v. Ferguson was correct when it clearly wasn't.
02:27:40.000And so you actually had people arguing everybody was better off.
02:27:42.000Critical race theorists have argued that before the end of segregation,
02:27:46.000the black community had its own economy.
02:27:48.000And by ending segregation, it forced them under the white economy,
02:27:52.000which gave the white people power over them.
02:27:54.000So those are the kind of conversations they had in the past as to why they-
02:27:57.000But segregation didn't make the relationship between whites and blacks better.
02:28:17.000No, it's... I'm not familiar with that specific thing, but I think if you... We should reach out to this school and we should find out what the kids got out of it.
02:28:27.000In Ferguson and in Baltimore, they were circulating a letter among Black Lives Matter, which was like the writings of Derrick Bell and advocating for Plessy v. Ferguson and all that stuff.
02:28:41.000But we'll try and read as many superchats as we have.
02:28:46.000If you haven't already, smash the like button.
02:28:48.000We went long because these things happen.
02:30:41.000It's just that the odds are that whatever you went through in your life, the reason you are in economic trouble, it's not because you were white.
02:30:51.000There were other externalities that caused that issue.
02:32:31.000they go through experiences that you don't because you are white.
02:32:35.000It's not saying you are bad, it's just come to that realization.
02:32:38.000You can be going through hardships and troubles.
02:32:40.000There could be things happening to you that are truly horrible and, you know, unfair.
02:32:45.000But it's not happening to you likely because it's white.
02:32:49.000Like, for example, if the same thing was happening to a black person, there is a chance that his race or his or her race did play some role in that hardship or difficulty that they're going through.
02:33:55.000So is there a reason the Asians are being attacked?
02:33:58.000Oh, yes, because of sentiment via, like, racism due to COVID-19.
02:34:03.000Beliefs that it came from China, and people—or it purposely came from China, or, you know, and they're taking it out on completely innocent Asian Americans.
02:34:13.000And a lot of the times, they're not even attacking Chinese people, which wouldn't make it right, but they're even wrong on that sense, because they're attacking Korean Americans, they're attacking Japanese Americans.
02:34:23.000And it's just it's wrong and that's something that for example white people do not experience. They usually do not
02:34:30.000experience racist attacks like Asian Americans do in the aftermath of
02:34:54.000We just had a story about the 10 people who got killed because there was a racist attack in a supermarket against black people, specifically from the shooter.
02:35:11.000According to the Anti-Defamation League.
02:35:12.000I mean, you had nearly a thousand shootings in Chicago in mass, like, I think it was like 400-ish people died in mass shootings in Chicago the entire, the entirety of last year.
02:35:23.000And so it's just like, I feel like the conversation about white privilege You don't think the situation in those neighborhoods that have, you know, led to what you're describing, you don't think that has anything to do with the historic racism in this country?
02:35:40.000You don't think those neighborhoods are predominantly, you know, they've maybe been redlined?
02:35:46.000Do you know why they're shooting each other in Chicago?
02:35:50.000It's different for every reason, right?
02:36:26.000You get the radio and you go and chase it around.
02:36:29.000We interviewed this crime prevention woman, a local in the black community, who was arguing in favor of gun rights but against gun violence.
02:36:39.000One of the misconceptions in Chicago is that it's gang violence.
02:36:42.000When it's actually more like somebody smack-talked my girl.
02:36:47.000And if you do that, you're going to pay for it.
02:36:50.000I would love to see more information about that for sure.
02:37:13.000And then also when we went night crawling.
02:37:15.000But I mean, I could also just speak as much as it's not as valuable as a direct source as someone who lived in Chicago and lived on the South Side having, like, witnessed people doing it.
02:38:14.000It was called, like, the Affirmative Action Bill or something.
02:38:17.000And there was a provision in the Constitution that says you can't discriminate on the basis of race, sex, national origin, for purposes of public education or contracting and one other thing.
02:38:28.000They wanted to remove that because they said we can't enact affirmative action without it.
02:38:33.000My issue with it was, I kind of feel like if you give the government, which includes all the smaller and local governments, the ability to discriminate on the basis of race, like, my question to you is, I'll start with this, do you think that there are racist white people?
02:38:55.000Do you think that if racist white people in government were given the opportunity to segregate on the basis, to discriminate on the basis of race, they would discriminate against people of color?
02:40:44.000It depends on a very different way, though.
02:40:48.000I mean, you can't say that going out and buying your child food is the same as your child literally being inside your body eating the nutrients that you intake.
02:41:08.000There's a difference, sure, between having a child inside of you and providing resources for them, but parents are responsible for taking care of their children.
02:42:23.000What do you think about that one, though?
02:42:25.000About should the father, the person who impregnates a woman, the male who impregnates a woman, should he be responsible for child support payments from, I don't know, I guess the moment of conception, right?
02:42:49.000I think a man should be responsible the moment the woman is like, yo, I'm pregnant.
02:42:53.000It's like, well, tell me what you need and what to do and he's going to take care of it.
02:42:57.000I don't know how much I like the government's involvement in a person's private matters, because we've seen instances where even mothers have argued they don't want child support anymore, but the government's been like, we don't care, and then forced the guy to put the money through the government and to her.
02:43:27.000I mean, that's a more conservative position than I would have expected.
02:43:30.000You don't... You're not a father's rights guy?
02:43:32.000That's actually usually a right... No, no, no.
02:43:34.000I think... I assumed you were more on the side of, like, individual, you know... Like, why would the woman have the right to choose but not the man?
02:44:48.000I'm saying if, like, I recognize it's a woman's body, but how can you argue pro-choice for the woman but not the man's right to sever himself from responsibility?
02:44:56.000Because pro-choice is talking about the woman's body.
02:47:32.000Does he, he has, he has no say in the matter at all.
02:47:35.000I mean, if a man wants, if a man does not want a child, he should not engage in acts that If he does want a child, though, there's many ways he could go about getting a child if his partner, for example, doesn't want a child.
02:47:48.000You know that your argument is an inversion of the right-wing argument.
02:47:51.000Like, they're identical in principle, but they make no sense logically to me.
02:47:57.000I would say that my position is the position that most people on the left have.
02:48:03.000So, when Seamus says, both the mother and the father have to be responsible for what they did, and the man has to pay, and the woman shouldn't be able to kill the baby, that's logically sound.
02:48:52.000The 14th Amendment, this is my confusion, the 14th Amendment says equality under the law.
02:48:56.000You can't create a circumstance in which, for any reason, body or otherwise, one person has a legal right and another person doesn't have.
02:49:02.000If the woman can decide to, for financial reasons, terminate a pregnancy or keep it, under any argument, the man would have to have, under the 14th Amendment, the same equality under the law.
02:49:12.000Now, if you want to make an argument about a woman's right to an abortion because it's her body, I agree.
02:49:31.000Equality under law means men and women have to be able to make the same financial decisions.
02:49:35.000So you're saying that every situation where a man did not want to have a child and is forced to pay child support, your claim is that it's currently unconstitutional.
02:50:37.000If a man and a woman get together and they have kids, and the woman is, you know, she works at Vice Media making 70k a year and the husband's homeless, should she pay child support to him?
02:52:08.000Do you think it should be a different penalty than if a man threatens a woman for some other reason?
02:52:11.000Like if a man says, You know, I'll hit you if you don't listen, versus I'll hit you if you don't get an abortion.
02:52:15.000Do you think that those are different circumstances that should incur a different penalty?
02:52:19.000If he does something to actually... convincing her... What if he threatens her?
02:52:24.000She has an abortion because... If a woman says, I got this abortion because a man threatened me, should there be a legal penalty for that?
02:52:30.000I would actually love to see if there are laws in the books for that, because that'd be interesting for sure.
02:52:33.000I think, you know, there are in terms of like, if a man was to punch a pregnant woman, his pregnant partner, And that would result in an abortion that would be considered in this country a fetal homicide.
02:52:44.000We have a specific classification for that in those scenarios.
02:52:48.000Yes, so there are certain circumstances in certain states where you can be charged with homicide for killing an unborn child.
02:53:04.000He killed a person, but what you're saying is under specific circumstances, if the mother doesn't want that child, killing it becomes acceptable.
02:53:11.000Because we're now talking about the issue of it being her body, and she has the authority over herself, over her person.
02:53:18.000But she's not making a decision about herself, she's making a decision about the child that's in the room.
02:53:28.000I think you guys like... Sure, but then I guess my final question is, since it's an issue of her body, would you argue that since this is just about her body, it's not about a right to kill a child, that if the child is viable, it should be delivered and then saved with medical technology?
02:53:44.000Do you think that should be the requirement?
02:53:46.000If the child's viability, if the child is past the point of viability and the mother doesn't want to be pregnant, should she be allowed to kill that child that can survive outside the womb?
02:53:59.000If this is just about a woman's body, and there's an opportunity for the unborn child to live outside of her body because it is viable, is she able to abort the child and kill it?
02:54:08.000Or would you argue, since this is just about her body and not killing a child, that everything would have to be done to deliver and save that child?
02:54:37.000And I told you, I read citations from partial birth abortionists who have said the number one reason cited is depression in their practice.
02:54:46.000So I think this quantifies the political issue we have in this country very simply.
02:54:51.000My political positions have long been from what's called traditional liberal.
02:54:57.000In the first several weeks, pre-viability, beyond that.
02:55:02.000I have a libertarian argument that he's mocked and doesn't agree with.
02:55:06.000I don't think you understand at all what's being said.
02:55:09.000I'm not saying that to be disrespectful.
02:55:10.000I'm saying when I pull up the law and we're trying to explain to you what the definition of abortion is according to the U.S.
02:55:15.000government, and you don't understand it, you say it's her body, but we didn't mention her body.
02:55:19.000We're talking about a baby being delivered, but you defer to something that's not being talked about.
02:55:26.000I don't know if we can— I mean, we've discussed this.
02:55:29.000I view it as an issue of if the fetus is in the mother's body, And going by the current laws we have right now, which I—for Rovi, Wade, and Casey— I'm sorry, this is the issue.
02:55:43.000We're trying to ask you about your advocacy, not the law.
02:55:47.000My advocacy is what exactly is legal in this country right now.
02:55:50.000So you think— But then you can't— Let me try this.
02:57:46.000Why is it so hard for you to understand that I agree with what the laws currently are?
02:57:51.000Because I'm asking you about your moral position and advocacy, not what the law is.
02:57:57.000My moral position and advocacy is that it is a woman's choice, because it is her body, and if a fetus inside her body can survive, Excuse me?
02:58:09.000In this country, you can only do that.
02:58:12.000Whatever you're trying to get out of me, I don't know what you're looking for, but you're not going to get it because I'm telling you exactly what my position is.
02:58:22.000How many times— A woman has a right to choose whatever she deems is— We're not talking about a woman, but you refuse to say it because this is the issue.
02:59:34.000It was then stated to Ralph Northam, even at the point of birth, abortion, as the CDC defines it, is a no live birth removal of the pregnancy.
02:59:44.000How do they get the baby out of the woman?
02:59:47.000Monique, the same way that you would... You're asking, like, if she gives birth.
02:59:53.000But an abortion ends the life of the baby, according to the CDC.
02:59:57.000So if they would legalize abortion up to the point of birth, that means ending... A termination of a pregnancy that results in no live birth would mean they need to take action to end the life of the baby as it's coming out.
03:00:11.000So if you're saying there needs to be a reason, my question is, okay, How do you propose they get a fully developed baby at nine months out of a womb when it needs to be removed?
03:00:22.000Depends on what the doctor decides is right.
03:00:44.000At birth, when the baby is out and becomes a baby, it is a person, and that would be considered homicide, not an abortion, and homicide is illegal.
03:01:23.000Yeah, I think that's a false distinction to strip people of their rights.
03:01:26.000Every time that distinction is made, that these humans are not persons worthy of rights and protections, it is always an argument to strip them of their rights and do horrific things.
03:01:33.000And I point this out too, that's always been the losing side of history.
03:01:39.000Every argument throughout history that some people aren't legally people has always failed.
03:01:44.000So, Trent acknowledges her bill, which was killed in a 5-3 vote, would allow a woman to receive an abortion even up to the point when she is about to give birth.
03:01:51.000The Virginia House GOP tweeted that legislation would provide abortions up to just seconds before the precious child takes their first breath.
03:01:58.000Right, that means before the baby is born.
03:02:00.000But at the point of birth, seconds before, you think there's a distinction?
03:02:05.000One is a baby is born and the other one it's not.
03:02:07.000And there has to be a medical concern for either the mother or the fetus.
03:02:13.000No, there should be a medical concern.
03:02:14.000And I've told you, I mentioned this early on the show, there have been entire petitions signed by doctors saying that this idea of a medically necessitated abortion is a myth.
03:02:23.000You've also repeatedly claimed that late-term abortions don't happen.
03:02:26.000It's only because there's some extreme reason why they need to.
03:02:29.000You said they don't happen, but I quoted the Guttmacher Institute, the most pro-choice abortion-related think tank in this country, their own numbers, and according to them, late-term abortions only happen because there is some fetal anomaly One to two percent of the times, one third of the time, it's because the woman says she underestimated how far along she was.
03:02:48.00025% of the time they said they tried to arrange an earlier abortion, couldn't.
03:02:52.00014% said they were afraid at that point to tell their parents or partner.
03:02:55.000The rest cited something along the lines of taking their time to decide or a change in their relationship status.
03:03:03.000So your point is completely wrong, but you've said this repeatedly that it doesn't happen, and as someone with a public platform, when you were speaking about a life-and-death issue where infants are being slaughtered, you have a responsibility to know that it does in fact happen and stop saying that.
03:03:51.000But I'll give you an example of where I think the problem lies, and I'm going to throw it back to explain the Thanos moment with Sam Seder.
03:03:59.000Sam doesn't know what deontology or utilitarianism is.
03:04:48.000I think that you and Sam lack the perspicacity to understand the context of the arguments and the substance of them.
03:04:55.000So, in the context of Sam Seder, I made a reference to deontology, that an immoral act against a single individual shall not be taken, versus utilitarianism, which is more the argument that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, which is also a pop culture reference.
03:05:11.000The idea being that we tend to see villainous people as those who are willing to sacrifice people for the sake of other people, We tend to see heroes as those who are willing to save the individual.
03:05:21.000Sam didn't know what those words meant.
03:06:02.000Instead of actually addressing the substance of the issue, instead Sam and many others just mocked the idea that I had to dumb down the concepts for him because he didn't get it.
03:06:13.000If I approach in good faith Sam with a question about philosophy that he cannot understand because he doesn't know these terms, so I try to find common ground and he mocks me for it, what is my incentive to even try?
03:06:25.000What does that have to do with... it sounds like an issue you should take up with Sam.
03:06:43.000I don't know how many times Seamus and I, who completely disagree on the issue of abortion, can try to explain to you legal terms, definitions, the body of a baby versus the body of the mother.
03:07:11.000I'm like, I don't know how many times we've got to say it's the baby's body.
03:07:13.000If it's inside of her body as a fetus, then it's whatever you're discussing, whatever you want to try to go about from that perspective or direction, the ultimate decision comes to the mother.
03:07:28.000I just want to make one more statistical point because you didn't like that study.
03:07:32.000A 2013 study published by the Guttmacher Institute states that data suggests that most women seeking later term abortions are not doing so for reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment.
03:07:41.000How many women are having late term abortions period though?
03:07:58.000Like, so, see, my attitude tends to be like, if, if someone's like, like, to me, to me, to me, this isn't like a thing where I'm trying to score points or win.
03:08:08.000I'm giving you guys what my position is.
03:08:39.000Well, you say you advocate for these positions, but earlier I got you to say that, you know, you actually said that you preferred to stand next to me or the ending of Roe v. Wade, you prefer the ending of Roe v. Wade.
03:09:28.000Then I said, the provision should be added that all efforts must be made to preserve the life of the baby, but they didn't add that.
03:09:35.000We're not talking about provision anymore.
03:09:36.000And so I said, in your context, if the issue was you telling me a baby could be killed at the point of birth or banning abortion, I would choose banning abortion.
03:09:46.000I didn't say I wanted to ban abortion.
03:09:47.000I'm saying your position is so extreme, you've pushed me to the other side if that's my only option.
03:09:53.000Okay, but we're now using that hypothetical.
03:17:47.000Things get heated, you're always welcome back on.
03:17:49.000Because that's not... But Sam's stunt was like, not just for me, but a bunch of other people, like, that's not a guy you have on your show.
03:17:55.000I was just interested in that, really, just out of my curiosity, truthfully.
03:17:59.000Just wanted to know what you meant by it.
03:18:01.000So, there are a lot of channels that focus on interpersonal, intercommentary drama.
03:18:53.000I mean, you said that if you have one channel that's like 100k, another channel 100k, and you're one of those channels, you should not, you know, go after- Be yourself, be yourself.
03:19:16.000So, there are a lot of people who do this.
03:19:18.000I'm saying, if you're looking for a career, if you want to reach a higher level, you want... Personally, I think Sam's at a point where he knows exactly where his career is, and I think he's just... For sure, he's got a million subs.
03:19:33.000No, I think what I mean is he knows where his career is.
03:19:36.000I'm not saying he's in some great position.
03:19:39.000What I'm actually saying is he knows that he has a point that he has hit and that's where he's going to go based on his own content because he doesn't pull any punches.
03:19:47.000He'll do whatever that he feels like he wants to do.
03:19:50.000He doesn't self-censor himself just not to go after someone in terms of being worried about not getting on their channel.
03:19:55.000But we're not talking about self-censorship.
03:19:56.000Well, there is sort of self-censorship in a way if you don't want to go after someone specifically because you're worried about not getting put on their show.
03:20:01.000I agree with that, and that's not what I'm talking about.
03:20:03.000So, what I'm saying is, if your goal is to have a, like, you wanna talk about the news, you wanna talk about concepts, ideas, and events, you gotta avoid the interpersonal drama.
03:20:13.000Well, a lot of what Sam goes after when it comes to interpersonal drama, it's not really like, it's not personal in the sense of like, oh, he was mean to me.
03:20:20.000Like, he regularly does videos on, you know, Jimmy Dore, on Dave Rubin, because he disagrees vehemently with what they put out.
03:20:30.000Every one of those videos you could look up.
03:20:32.000And sure, he mocks them and they have fun with it.
03:20:34.000That's sort of like the point of the show.
03:20:35.000It's sort of like an old-school, like, leftist version of Howard Stern or something, I guess you can say.
03:20:40.000But, um, you know, they mock these guys, but they always go after... Like, they're not, like, making fun of how Dave Rubin quaffed his hair or whatever.
03:20:50.000You know, they're not making fun of Jimmy Dore's glasses or whatever.
03:21:44.000What people with bigger shows are looking for is prestige and relatability and substance.
03:21:52.000So you want to be authoritative, not elitist.
03:21:55.000You want to create something of value that can help people in their daily lives.
03:21:59.000When you see a stunt like what Sam did, The presentation is that this guy doesn't address issues that people relate to.
03:22:08.000The stunt with Steven Crowder was a tribalist stunt, which plays well to culture warriors, which are a very small portion of the marketplace.
03:22:17.000If you're trying to do a show that speaks to regular Americans, is either influencing policy, sharing your ideas, or just, you know, addressing issues that more people care about, Doing stunts and interpersonal drama diminishes that and makes people not want to engage, which makes the people at other shows say, look, what we want to do here at Timcast IRL is share ideas, even yours, with as many people as possible.
03:23:36.000If you ever have any ideas for anyone you want to talk to, I'd love to debate someone who's got a stronger political ideology or something.
03:25:07.000Yeah, I mean, sometimes we go deep into the night.
03:25:09.000We talk about one in the morning, two in the morning sometimes.
03:25:12.000You know, if you were open to it, I could certainly promise you on my own that, you know, Sam Seder would behave with me here if I brought him.
03:25:45.000I think Sam is just, like, the Thanos thing is a really great example of, like, If a guy doesn't understand philosophy and I try to relate to him so he mocks me for it, that's not good faith.
03:25:56.000Making an argument about me trying to relate to you is bad faith.
03:26:34.000And I have all the information in terms of where she has lived, like her home address, and I can confirm that the information that she has given to Public Record, which is where all that information you see online would come from, she has never lived at that address that was on that real estate license.
03:28:08.000Well, did you hear it from... You don't have to expose... Did you hear it from the one person who'd be able to probably give you the outright answer, Libs of TikTok?
03:28:16.000I will not confirm or deny the identity of the source who gave me the information.
03:28:20.000Until the aftershow, so pay if you want to see it!
03:28:23.000I mean, I also have the details for every person who has lived there over the past 10, 12 years.
03:28:52.000Where I have sources who say she did, and there you go.
03:28:57.000So, bro, if you want to argue the semantics on DASHA... Offline, I would love it if you show me the information you have, like once we end the show.
03:29:04.000I would love for you to show that to me.
03:29:35.000But we'll just consider the members only having been free for this one round.
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03:30:12.000I literally open up Skype, I give you my Skype username, I take the calls as they come in, and I have a discussion with literally anybody and everybody, leftist, conservative, right-winger, anyone who calls in, open for discussion, even pro-Bitcoin people.
03:30:37.000The Juan Carlos Vera settlement was for an invasion of privacy lawsuit and had nothing to do with allegedly deceptive edits in any way.
03:30:44.000Even the New York Times' own public editor revisited the Acorn tapes and found that, quote, the record does not support O'Keefe's detractors about Acorn.
03:30:52.000According to Acorn's own lawyer, quote, They said what they said.
03:30:56.000There is no way to make this look good.
03:30:57.000Second, Binder's claim that Minnesota allows ballot harvesting is similarly wrong.
03:31:02.000The New York Times made a similar claim.
03:31:08.000Then the New York Times was forced in their answer to admit that the law banning ballot harvesting was always in place and their article was wrong.
03:31:15.000Binder would do well to retract that statement, as the Times has effectively done.
03:31:19.000Okay, we have little time, so I will say that if everything there is true, I will retract those statements, sure.
03:31:25.000And I'll also say that that researcher, I was reading it more after we got past that area of the conversation, so I should say this now for sure.
03:31:32.000That researcher that you had about the YouTube study, what I read was actually him defending whether QAnon content should be allowed on social media.
03:31:44.000So I retract and apologize for misstating exactly what that piece was all about.
03:31:49.000Yeah, well, I mean, no, really, it takes a big man to apologize, and also, it's tough coming on a show where people have adversarial views to yours, so we really do appreciate you coming out here.
03:32:01.000Did people who watch this show, who weren't told that their guests, the guests had, like, if you didn't know the guests had a computer due to, like, Tim or Seamus or Lydia saying something, Have you ever viewed a computer at this desk?