In this episode, we talk about Bill Gates and Elon Musk's clash over free speech and the culture war between the two billionaires. We also talk about the Democratic Party's attempt to disqualify Republicans from running for office under the 14th Amendment. And we're joined by Aaron Wojciechowski and Ian Mason to talk about censorship in tech.
00:00:32.000you recently Breitbart released a report showing that much of
00:00:58.000the non-profits that were going after Elon Musk criticizing his
00:01:02.000attempt buying Twitter were funded by Bill Gates Elon Musk was already very critical of Bill Gates, even posting a meme of him as the pregnant man emoji, and we all had a laugh.
00:01:13.000But now he's responded to the story, saying, sigh.
00:01:17.000I don't know exactly what that means other than Elon knows about it, but this resulted in Breitbart trending earlier today on Twitter because Elon responding to it has elevated this story.
00:01:27.000And there's something interesting here because there's like some kind of yin-yang, good versus evil, Elon versus Gates thing going on where Elon Musk is like, hey, we need more people.
00:01:36.000Like, you need more people on this planet to sustain and develop and grow, and population is declining.
00:01:44.000And free speech, the people should have a right, should have freedom.
00:01:47.000And then Bill Gates is exactly the opposite, saying we need to reduce population and free speech is bad, issuing a statement saying he's going to muck things up on Twitter.
00:01:56.000So this is actually a really interesting story that gets to the heart of this.
00:02:00.000I mean, you've got two billionaires basically at war in the greater culture war.
00:02:07.000Democrats have won an appeal to a federal court allowing them to now pursue disqualifying Republicans from being able to run for office under the 14th Amendment.
00:02:19.000So there was a ruling saying you can't use the 14th Amendment to disqualify Republicans because of this clemency bill that happened in 1872.
00:02:27.000And a federal court said, no, that's not true.
00:02:29.000If you today, after the Civil War, insurrect, you can be barred from running for office.
00:02:35.000So, it doesn't mean anybody's been found to be insurrecting against the United States, but you've already got many Democrats saying anyone who voted not to certify the election in 2020 committed insurrection.
00:02:48.000They can't win the election, so they're going for lawfare, which says to me that all of this is just pushing us ever closer from civil strife into some kind of civil war.
00:03:38.000I dropped out of grad school in 97 to go work at Yahoo.
00:03:44.000Basically spent 18 years in Silicon Valley.
00:03:48.000Going with the flow for the most part, but also kind of being an obnoxious dissenter a lot of the times, too.
00:03:58.000By 20, I basically worked for five years at Yahoo, did random gigs and nonsense, invested in WhatsApp, doubled my money several times, investing in big tech and kind of At a certain point, I decided I needed to do what I dropped out of grad school for, which is create good software.
00:04:26.000So I'm trying to do what I can to kind of facilitate good software to be created.
00:04:33.000And I don't see any of the big tech giants doing that now.
00:04:36.000They're actually conspiring to make our software worse in many different ways.
00:04:41.000Censorship kind of is the biggest right now.
00:05:19.000It gave people access to information like they'd never had before.
00:05:23.000I mean, this show couldn't possibly be happening without that sort of The freewheeling spirit of the tech world prior to maybe 10 years ago.
00:05:33.000And if we're going to preserve that, I think it can't just be done through politics.
00:05:36.000It has to be done through technological means.
00:05:38.000And that's what I feel like Aaron's mission is.
00:05:50.000Just so people get a general idea of like what your mission is and what's the background.
00:05:54.000So FUTO is an organization where Basically spending a lot of money trying to do whatever we can to chip away at the power that the tech oligopoly has.
00:06:06.000So we're going to be funding people with grant programs, get them coding, get people coding, get people to quit their jobs at Google and Facebook.
00:06:16.000There's a lot of people at those companies who hate those companies, but they don't know if there's anything else they can do that's interesting even.
00:06:25.000So, uh, you know, Project Veritas is often telling people, be brave, you know, let us know if these things are going on.
00:06:30.000But a lot of people feel like if they do, they're, they're, they're gonna be destitute.
00:06:33.000They're not gonna have anywhere to go.
00:06:34.000They're not gonna be able to work anywhere.
00:06:36.000So I think people need to understand there's, there's other places to be where you can work or there's, at least you guys are encouraging them to get away from that and build something new and unique.
00:06:49.000Yeah, it's great that we're talking about Bill Gates because a lot about this, you know, we talked about the locking down of the tech industry in the early 80s.
00:06:56.000He's kind of notorious for taking, I think it was Unix code and correct me if I'm wrong.
00:06:59.000Maybe you guys could tell the story better than I could.
00:07:02.000He bought MS-DOS from another company and basically worked with IBM to kind of dominate.
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00:09:28.000Apparently, Bill Gates reached out to Elon Musk about donating or some kind of philanthropy, but was running a 500, I think it was 500 million, right?
00:11:12.000I mean, to me, Bill Gates embodies kind of the tech elitism that I fled when I left Silicon Valley.
00:11:19.000It very much is this very pompous attitude that, you know, If we allow these people to think for themselves, they're going to give us bad results.
00:11:31.000And it is just like, they're so stupid.
00:11:33.000It's very much like they're our pets, almost.
00:11:37.000I don't feel like Bill Gates is evil, but he doesn't trust the everyday person to kind of make their own decisions, read information, read Alex Jones, or watch Alex Jones, right?
00:11:49.000Watch all these things and come to their own conclusions.
00:11:52.000Whereas Elon Musk does seem to be, to some degree, fighting for the more common man, fighting for free speech.
00:12:03.000He's not saying only elites should have children.
00:12:05.000He's saying we should all have more children, things like that.
00:12:08.000Well, he actually had a tweet earlier, he said, I think this was today, right?
00:12:11.000He said most rich people he knows, most people he knows have like one or two kids.
00:12:24.000Yeah, I mean, that is rampant in Silicon Valley, this belief.
00:12:28.000And I think it was big in the 70s, too, just like, There's too many kids, like, a lot of them think that there should be licenses to have kids.
00:13:35.000I think with social media, when you get like what they call fake news or like misinformation, disinformation, it's the mob mentality that's dangerous.
00:13:42.000If a piece of bad information goes out and then everyone shares it, or if 50 million people share it, it's kind of like democracy in action.
00:13:52.000I mean, there was a problem where some Indian village or we've been told there was an Indian village that started like murdering tourists because there was some like superstition about tourists that spread on WhatsApp.
00:14:04.000Like, but at the end of the day, Yeah, it's a double-edged sword.
00:14:11.000I'm going to be on the side of freedom.
00:14:13.000They have this utopian view of everything, saying like, there's a problem happening, we can solve it.
00:15:42.000My biggest takeaway from the Breitbart piece as well is that so many of those arguments are made in bad faith, which I think is what you're getting at.
00:15:49.000The same people who are now saying, we don't want this purchase, they have ties to Bill Gates or they have ties to other industry people.
00:15:57.000The same people who before this saga were saying, actually there is no censorship.
00:16:02.000everything is just moderation and all that.
00:16:04.000When Elon says he's maybe gonna buy this, suddenly there is censorship, and not only is it real,
00:16:10.000it's actually essential that it continue for our democracy to continue to function.
00:16:14.000And in all cases, these arguments are, they were bad faith arguments before,
00:17:08.000And we're going to argue those things.
00:17:10.000They think they shouldn't have to argue at all.
00:17:12.000They think they should just be able to stamp you out.
00:17:15.000And a good example is what's happening with this lawsuit.
00:17:17.000Democrats are trying to disqualify Republicans.
00:17:19.000Instead of saying, I'm going to stand in front of the common people and tell them my thoughts and my plans, I'm going to go to the judge and say, He shouldn't be allowed to run for office.
00:17:41.000Well, like, the best tech you could build to circumvent censorship or, like, censorship that's gone too far.
00:17:50.000Well, are you talking about like what are the biggest hurdles that we have to overcome?
00:17:54.000I mean, I would say like it's gotten way worse with the app stores with with iPhone totally locking down their computer.
00:18:01.000It used to be that you could program whatever you wanted and your friends could install it.
00:18:06.000And now Apple approves what you can do.
00:18:10.000And they'll even like take you off of the store if your buttons and you know, if Steve Jobs's corpse doesn't like where your button is, you can get removed from the store.
00:19:28.000Right, so you probably deal with this with YouTube all the time.
00:19:32.000Their guidelines are always shifting, right?
00:19:34.000So they kind of have this gray area where they can operate in and they can enforce things in an irregular fashion.
00:19:44.000Absolutely have like people at Facebook who, you know, Facebook gets to do what they want way more than like a smaller developer gets to do what they want.
00:19:55.000And like, if you're an open source developer trying to create like, you know, something federated like Matrix or something, it's even harder.
00:20:00.000When you're looking at F-Droid, whenever I think about like open source app stores, I think of F-Droid.
00:20:10.000Like, I want more people using, you know, the open source, they're called the, they're basically operating systems based on the Android open source project, which, you know, people have So, yeah, you can install Graphene OS or Lineage OS and install F-Droid and kind of get whatever apps you want.
00:20:32.000But this is, you know, for the average person, they have no idea what you just said, to be honest.
00:20:40.000That's one of the things that we really want to focus on with FUTO, too, is educating people about their options and also making them better.
00:20:47.000I mean, we have to admit that The oligopoly is doing a great job at building these things.
00:21:00.000The App Store, I think, is one thing that's often overlooked in the discussion about free speech, because that's probably the most important.
00:21:07.000We all saw Gab get pulled from the App Store and banned, and then they have to find alternative means to getting back on the App Store.
00:21:14.000One of the funniest things I think they did was they created a clone of the Fediverse app.
00:21:20.000There's no website, it's just a shell.
00:21:24.000Then you plug in where you want to go, and oh, it can boot up.
00:21:28.000You know, Gab's servers, that got banned too.
00:22:01.000Yeah, that was in the late 90s when Netscape was dominating the browser market.
00:22:07.000If you want to talk about Bill Gates, the first thing he did before that even happened, before the internet even got big, I believe it was Dell was trying to sell PCs with Linux pre-installed instead of Windows.
00:22:21.000So Linux would have had a decent market share and gotten a lot more momentum than it got as a desktop operating system.
00:22:27.000What Bill Gates did is he basically He did some sort of deal.
00:22:32.000I don't know the details precisely, but it was something about like, unless you're exclusive Microsoft Windows on your PCs that you're shipping, you're going to pay a lot more per license.
00:22:46.000So Dell would pay like, you know, five bucks a license or something for Windows.
00:22:52.000And it would have been 10 bucks or something if they had kept selling Linux machines.
00:23:20.000But so, you know, for all of you out there who use Mac, you might easily understand what Linux is.
00:23:27.000I think a lot of big chain stores use Linux for their terminals for like self-checkout and stuff because it's free and they don't have to pay licenses.
00:23:37.000I didn't know that story that Bill Gates basically shut that down because imagine if we did not have Microsoft Windows as the dominant platform.
00:23:47.000Imagine if it was a free open source technology and you get some Jerk.
00:23:54.000Like Bill Gates who comes in and sticks his foot, you know, in the door and then stops that from happening so he can control that piece and now you have tech oligarchs.
00:24:02.000And now he's gone from just being some guy who's like, I think you should have my operating system instead to, there's too many people on this planet and we should have less people.
00:24:11.000Tim, you bring up antitrust enforcement because that has played sort of a role as a final check here over the decades.
00:24:18.000It took 10 years of practices like that before finally it was the Internet Explorer integration that finally did trigger that.
00:24:27.000Antitrust has not provided an effective check in the last bit here on what I think most observers would say is at least somewhat anti-competitive practices among app stores and a hundred other things we could go into.
00:24:39.000I think that the fact is we need something like FUDO because antitrust is not going to handle it on its own.
00:24:45.000There are things that are inherent in the system as it exists now that are anti-competitive.
00:24:50.000I mean, down to the engineers themselves.
00:24:53.000The model of Silicon Valley now is to lock up talented engineers within four or five or six companies forever.
00:25:00.000Not based particularly on their output, but based on the fact that them being there prevents viable alternatives from coming into existence.
00:25:07.000Now, Steve Jobs, I hear he was kind of a dick as well.
00:25:14.000I mean, I would say like one quality that like, you know, all these oligarchs, the trait that they have in common is they're, they're all kind of, Steve Jobs is maybe special, but it's like, if you look at like someone like Mark Zuckerberg, they're mediocre, above average programmers, right?
00:25:31.000Maybe they're, you know, top 10% programmers, but what the trait they really have is they do like to control things.
00:25:36.000So, like, Bill Gates was having a conniption when Dell was trying to sell Linux computers.
00:25:43.000Mark Zuckerberg was having a conniption when he saw that, you know, tons of people were uploading photos to WhatsApp instead of Facebook.
00:25:50.000Like, which, you know, within a couple of years that happened.
00:25:58.000Very, very, very, very controlling people.
00:26:00.000Like Steve Jobs is like, you must have one.
00:26:03.000I don't know if you remember, he insisted on one mouse button for a long time, even though there were so many people who wanted like two mouse buttons.
00:27:06.000If you're the small guy and you're trying to control things, that's okay.
00:27:11.000If you have your vision, your unified vision for a beautiful product, and you're at 10% market share, go at it.
00:27:18.000As soon as you get to have too much power, like 50% market share and the only other player is also 50%, that's when you've got to step it back a bit.
00:27:29.000I suppose it's fair to say Steve Jobs never came out and said, there's too many people, so we've got to figure out how to reduce those numbers and population growth.
00:27:35.000Because that's kind of a weird thing for a computer guy to say.
00:27:41.000It kind of makes me think like, when you have a big network, you kind of want to see what the people want and then build the network to support that, as opposed to build a network that decides what the people are going to want.
00:27:53.000But there's so many people that want so many different things, it becomes challenging, if not impossible, to support all those different ideas at once.
00:28:02.000That might be what's stopping them from why they become so authoritarian in controlling the network.
00:28:07.000But I haven't been in that position yet, so I'm not sure exactly what's causing it.
00:28:11.000To rise to the position where you are running a company like Microsoft, you have to genuinely believe you're smarter and better than everybody.
00:28:19.000So it's like if you take 100 people and you put them in a sieve and you shake it as hard as you can to see what falls out and what sticks, The people who hold on the tightest, you know, they're the ones who have that energy.
00:28:31.000So naturally, the person who rises to the top at big, massive companies like this are the people who are like, I'm smarter, I'm better, everyone's got to do what I say.
00:28:39.000That's why you end up with the Bill Gates.
00:29:25.000The humble person's gonna be like, well, you know, maybe it's not for me.
00:29:28.000You're gonna have someone say, I'd like to audition for this role.
00:29:31.000And they're gonna say, we don't know if you have it.
00:29:32.000And they're gonna go, well, okay, you know, I'll try harder next time.
00:29:35.000You get the arrogant narcissistic guy and he's gonna be like, no, no, no, no, you're wrong.
00:29:38.000I am the best and I'm gonna prove it to you.
00:29:39.000And they're like, this guy's got energy.
00:29:41.000Those people are going to rise to the top.
00:29:43.000And that's one of the challenges we face, I suppose, with the free market, is that snake oil salesmen, con artists, arrogant narcissists are the ones who end up gaining tons and tons of power.
00:29:53.000And rarely do you find someone who doesn't have those qualities, but just does a really good job.
00:29:59.000Or I should say, not rarely, but less often.
00:30:02.000I mean, yeah, they get bored or they feel like they've accomplished something and they just want to go live their life.
00:30:09.000They don't really care about controlling things and they've done their thing.
00:30:14.000There are a lot of people, many people I follow on Twitter, for instance, and yeah, they do really well and they're like, well, you know, I did my thing and I don't want to be the boss.
00:30:22.000I want to be in charge and they dip out.
00:30:24.000It's like the killer instinct probably is what they call it.
00:30:28.000Like if you didn't have that killer instinct and you couldn't hunt properly, then you would die.
00:30:33.000But the ones that could hunt and kill and then kill their opponents so that their village didn't get raided and murdered, then they survived.
00:30:41.000So now there's this killer instinct in business, which is like, maybe we're doing it wrong.
00:30:52.000I always go back to culture is the most important.
00:30:55.000If, as a culture, people were into open source and Linux and stuff, Bill Gates would lose all his power and he'd be like the Wicked Witch of the West Melting.
00:31:03.000People adopting Linux across the board would be incredible for that reason.
00:31:08.000So you get an Android phone, you flash Graphene OS onto it, which basically means you erase the operating system and reinstall a new one, which is an open source software called Graphene OS.
00:31:19.000It's this guy Daniel McKay is doing Graphene OS and there's a few other groups doing similar things with the Android open source project.
00:31:29.000So one, these things, we have to understand, we need to make these things better before we're going to get tens of millions of people using them, which is what I want there to be.
00:31:39.000I want there to be hundreds of millions of people using software that is not locked down by the oligopoly.
00:32:24.000Most of the phones I've had throughout my life, except for iPhone, I can't stand iPhone, what I would always put on some either bare bones Android operating system, just gut all of the bloat and the garbage that they put into it, and then just get that base system, or using something like Graphene.
00:32:40.000There's been a whole bunch throughout the history of Android that are just better, simpler, cleaner, safer, etc.
00:33:10.000So is that a monopoly, Google's notification system?
00:33:14.000It's not quite a monopoly, but it's one of these things that, as we like to say, the Google software is much more delightful, both for the user and the developer.
00:33:21.000So there's a long way to come in that.
00:33:23.000That's not a slight against Graphene or any of these other groups.
00:33:43.000Like, I started out doing games for Yahoo.
00:33:48.000So I love what Valve's doing to try to make Linux better for games.
00:33:51.000But it just does kind of hammer home how difficult this problem is that Valve is this super, super powerful... I consider them to be, like, one of the better companies that's kind of on the more independent side of things with Steam being so popular.
00:34:06.000They have not been able to deliver a successful Linux product yet.
00:34:11.000They're trying now with the Steam Deck.
00:34:14.000I want to jump to some current events from today and talk about the ramifications of this control and these oligarchs and where we're currently at.
00:34:21.000Because it's a hard segue into more political stuff, but I think all of this is tied together in the culture war.
00:34:27.000From TimCast.com, court rules anyone charged as an insurrectionist can be barred from political office.
00:34:33.000The decision comes after North Carolina voters challenged Madison Cawthorn's re-election bid.
00:34:37.000To put it simply, We thought that this was crushed because Democrats are basically trying to make it so that people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, Madison Cawthorn cannot run for re-election.
00:34:48.000What ends up happening is a court says, because of this Clemency Act or whatever in 1872, you can't use this against people anymore.
00:34:55.000Now a federal court says, now actually you can.
00:35:00.000So one of the things we end up seeing from all of this manipulation and control on social media, they're trying to craft a narrative.
00:35:06.000They've been trying as hard as possible.
00:35:07.000Before free, you know, an open internet, before we all were, our culture developed on the internet, the big networks controlled everything.
00:35:21.000The media has been desperately trying to claim that all of these Republicans are insurrectionists, simply because they voted not to certify election results, because they wanted an investigation, or who knows why they did it.
00:35:31.000You also had, I think, half the states in a lawsuit against the other half of the states at one point, with Texas leading the charge, taking issue with how the election was handled in 2020.
00:35:40.000Now they're trying to argue that that, everything that happened, was an insurrection, and therefore, 147 Republicans can be barred from office.
00:35:50.000I gotta say, just the fact that there is a vote to verify the election results means that you can vote yes or no.
00:35:57.000They have a vote on purpose, so it doesn't matter how you vote on that.
00:36:00.000Well, this is the crazy thing that I think we see with everything.
00:36:03.000Why is it that They don't want free speech because they don't want a fair playing field.
00:36:08.000They don't want to have to deal with proving themselves right.
00:36:11.000Why are they going after this 14th Amendment thing?
00:37:27.000You say attack on one side and you say protest on the other side.
00:37:31.000Yep, and whoever controls the narrative is going to control the outcome.
00:37:34.000And taken to its logical conclusion, you wind up with one of the sovereign constitutional branches of government, democratic branches of government, having its sovereignty replaced with that of another, whatever you want to call this other media branch, or whoever's going to decide what is an insurrection in the public eye.
00:37:56.000They are able to decide when what we would take is the unlimited sovereignty of Congress
00:38:02.000to vote how it will be to impose its will on the other two branches as laid out in the
00:38:43.000They go after Laura Loomer, all of these people who are on the right, who are loud and generating tons of attention.
00:38:47.000All of a sudden we see one day Alex Jones gets purged from basically every single, from, from app stores, from podcasts, from every social platform.
00:38:56.000There's no way that wasn't coordinated.
00:38:59.000You can see the coordination too when one network will ban it and then within like a week another network bans it.
00:39:05.000You could just be say that like maybe Facebook watched Twitter ban them and was like we're gonna follow suit but I got a feeling I mean you were in Silicon Valley you'd know better than anyone.
00:39:13.000I actually think it was more they're just kind of like this group think and like with Alex Jones is probably the best example of this where like within a day like he was removed from three or four platforms.
00:39:24.000I feel like there was just so many people whining to get rid of Alex Jones at those companies.
00:39:29.000As soon as one of them actually dove into the pool, they all just kind of followed automatically afterwards.
00:39:38.000I guess maybe I'm a bit of a skeptic on that they had a boardroom meeting where they all decided, now is when we ban Alex Jones.
00:39:51.000I don't think that they all had, you know, they pressed a button to go to the sub-basement where all of the big tech buildings meet and they sit in the council chamber with torches or anything like that.
00:40:00.000I think they went out to lunch and they were like, what are you guys doing over at Twitter about this Alex Jones thing?
00:40:07.000And they're like, well, we don't know.
00:40:08.000What are you guys over at Facebook doing?
00:40:10.000What were we thinking about banning him?
00:40:11.000And then, you know, a handful of guys who were from different departments were talking.
00:40:15.000They went back and said, this is what they're going to do.
00:40:17.000And so then when one person did it, okay, and then everyone does it.
00:40:19.000Cause they walk in lockstep with each other.
00:40:21.000They're probably, probably like one of them, one of them texts their friend over in the same department at a other company and says, we finally got rid of Alex Jones.
00:40:29.000And then they text their friends at the, you know, New York times and Washington post as well.
00:40:32.000And they said, this is what we're going to do.
00:40:34.000And then those people get in touch with the PR department of the tech company that hasn't done taking the same action.
00:40:39.000It says, did you know that these other platforms are going to ban them?
00:40:47.000And the nail that sticks out gets hammered, and they know that.
00:40:51.000If there's one profession that I would say I despise more than anything, it's probably journalists.
00:40:57.000Because the actual real profession is honorable, noble, and important.
00:41:01.000That's not what we have today, in any sense of the imagination.
00:41:04.000I mean, you've got a handful of people over at Breitbart, Alan Bakari, for instance, a friend of ours who's done great reporting on the tech censorship stuff.
00:41:11.000You've got good journalists who really do work at a lot of mainstream corporate press.
00:41:18.000A lot of reporting is like, you know, the local fire department is being shut down for renovations and they're telling their local community.
00:41:26.000But we have at the highest level exactly what you just described where a journalist We'll reach out and say, Hi, I'm calling from the New York Times and I'm just wondering why you support white supremacy by allowing Alex Jones on your platform.
00:41:38.000We're going to write that you are Klansman, by the way.
00:41:41.000And then the company freaks out and they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:43:16.000Look, a rich dude hires people who does the things that he likes.
00:43:21.000So, I mean, look, Fudo wants to hire programmers to, you know, get him out of Silicon Valley.
00:43:25.000Bill Gates wants to hire people and give access to resources who don't believe in free speech and want to reduce the population.
00:43:33.000So, reduce population growth, to be more specific.
00:43:36.000So, he is going to hire people who are powerfully advocating for these things and empower what he wants, and he's got the resources to do it.
00:43:43.000So then, he gives money to a bunch of different groups, all of those groups agree, all of those groups join forces, and now you've got this coordinated massive wave of companies.
00:43:52.000Many of them focusing in different areas, but now they're coalescing around one thing, Elon Musk bad.
00:43:57.000There's a coordination, be it on accident or otherwise.
00:44:00.000Yeah, and you guys seem to have figured out that bitching about it isn't the answer.
00:44:04.000You gotta create a parallel system with VUDO.
00:44:07.000Um, yeah, basically, I mean, I wouldn't say a parallel system.
00:44:10.000Certainly I would like for FUTO to be a, uh, one of the things about Google that is really nice is just, you have so many smart engineers around you who kind of know how various things work.
00:44:21.000We would love for FUTO to develop into that kind of organization where you, you can actually quit Google and not just be isolated by yourself, um, without, um, without kind of any of that knowledge to feed off of in your work.
00:44:35.000Tell me an example of like if a developer came to Fudo and they started getting involved, what would it be like for them?
00:44:40.000Um, well, ideally they would like say you needed to know how to, uh, do some GPU programming.
00:44:49.000And right now only a few people who work on like low level Android code or who work at, you know, Qualcomm.
00:44:56.000No, like there would actually be somebody at Futo that like we would, we would have that they could talk to and like get that information about how to program their computer.
00:45:04.000You guys should talk to James O'Keefe.
00:45:24.000Because I know you had mentioned before the show, it's kind of like a Y Combinator style, like, like, what are those called?
00:45:29.000incubator incubators we got we have a couple of different initiatives on first we are trying to hire full-time engineers we have we are first and foremost an engineering firm we have a couple of projects underway in-house and we'd like to have more that's sort of we're doing for regular hiring like that we're also doing a Y Combinator style if you will grant program this summer in Austin Texas it's residential we're gonna have a cool house to stay in, incubator space, lots of support.
00:45:54.000We're going to select three teams of up to five engineers, $20,000 for each team member,
00:46:01.000We just want people working on cool stuff that creates viable tech alternatives.
00:46:06.000So I want to pull this other story from Elon Musk about his plans for a legal effort, but
00:46:11.000we've got to talk about solutions to what's happening with politics, culture, and all
00:46:17.000Hearing you guys mention that you're giving grants to people, like just no strings attached, no equity, just do the work basically, is that what you're saying?
00:46:24.000Yeah, if you're working on something cool, yeah.
00:46:26.000One of the big challenges when we look at Project Veritas, James O'Keefe comes out, he says, be brave.
00:46:32.000We've got, obviously at these companies, there's censorship.
00:46:38.000We just had this expose where there's this engineer at Twitter talking to his date saying, oh yeah, they're censoring the right all the time.
00:46:46.000Why are these people not coming out and being like, yo, they're lying when they go to Congress and say these things.
00:47:10.000We use their video player for the website members only section, and we use their cloud services for our website, and we're integrating more non-Silicon Valley infrastructure into the website.
00:47:19.000We'll announce those as soon as we have them ready.
00:47:22.000To create competition, to push back, that's another big move.
00:47:26.000If people are going to be able to blow the whistle and come out and just give, maybe it's not James O'Keefe, maybe it's any news organization, and be like, here's documents proving it, there has to be a place for them to exist.
00:47:37.000There has to be something telling them, you can find work, you can be supported, you will not be thrown to the wolves just by coming out, you're not sacrificing yourself.
00:47:45.000Doing the right thing actually could benefit you.
00:47:47.000It actually can be really great for your career.
00:47:49.000All of a sudden, you'll be getting a better job.
00:47:51.000But I want to pull up this tweet thread from Elon Musk from the 20th.
00:48:41.000We need lawyers that are willing to lose, that are willing to take a chance.
00:48:44.000This is what, one of the things that frustrates me in all of the conversations are people saying, there's, oh don't, I've, every single time I've been defamed, every time there's been some question of Section 230, every lawyer I've spoken with has been like, there's no point in trying.
00:49:26.000But I mean, obviously, litigation is a huge part of this.
00:49:29.000You know, we just had the Fifth Circuit rule in a preliminary motion in the lawsuit to enjoin the social media law they passed. That could have a huge impact.
00:49:40.000There's a similar case on with a similar but not quite as powerful law in Florida that's on. I mean, these things are
00:49:47.000important in themselves, but they're also the culmination of at this point really five or six years of litigation
00:49:53.000around this very issue, around 230, around free speech, around the power of social media networks and so on. And he's
00:50:03.000The entire industry is coalesced around this.
00:50:05.000You have these industry associations that are spending a large amount of money on lawyers to fight, because they do know how impactful it could be.
00:50:13.000And at Fluto, we're not directly involved in any litigation.
00:50:16.000We kind of are focused on the technology side, but we know that it is a multi-pronged fight, and those lawsuits are very important.
00:50:23.000How do you feel about copyright law from the past being used Well, okay, I'm going to defer to Aaron on intellectual property law in particular, but I'll just say that that's been an issue for 25 years.
00:50:40.000The very first political issue I ever remember being engaged in when I was, what, nine years old or something was the DMCA had just passed.
00:50:47.000And if you remember, DCSS was a very simple piece of software that allowed you to decode a DVD on a device without having to pay the license fee for a DVD player.
00:50:58.000And this was one of the first things that they went after as a copyright-breaking tool under the DMCA, which allowed you to shut it down.
00:51:08.000And that, I mean, right there is a huge, that is a use of a copyright enforcement mechanism to limit the freedom and, you know, not necessarily just to protect a copyright holder but to go after the entire universe of freely flowing tech and information and so on.
00:51:26.000And I think that's a principle that extends more broadly.
00:51:29.000The same technology that's used to enforce copyright or intellectual property can and often is used to enforce restrictions on free
00:51:38.000speech, on the flow of information, and on the use of technology in general.
00:51:42.000That's one of the big challenges with the copyright stuff that has happened with social medias.
00:51:47.000I had a tweet that was absolutely fair.
00:51:49.000You just get taken down under copyright and what do you do?
00:51:52.000The challenge is that I kind of feel like no matter what you do, the person with the most power wins.
00:51:57.000If you've got the money, you're gonna win.
00:51:59.000I mean, maybe you might get lucky and get a good judge and fight your way through.
00:52:04.000But you know even in the instance of James O'Keefe fighting defamation cases He needs to raise like a million two million dollars to even try to go after these these big companies And then you just have the courts are always you know often Siding with the people who are defaming or the big tech or the establishment or something like that this is one of the biggest challenges that it feels like even it feels like a fighting an uphill battle because I I've talked about Wikipedia quite a bit.
00:52:31.000How fractured the system is, how it makes literally no sense, but they have so much money.
00:52:35.000How do you compete with that as an individual?
00:52:38.000You need capital, that's for sure, because it's like a war of attrition in court.
00:52:42.000It's how long can I pay all these lawyers to stay in this courthouse and keep talking?
00:52:46.000No one really cares if they win or lose, they're all getting paid, as long as you've got the money to pay them.
00:52:51.000So you either need people to work for free, which is a form of capital, or money.
00:52:56.000Social currency, getting a lot of people who believe in you just to focus fire their efforts and their labor towards something more powerful, I guess.
00:53:08.000I want to ask you your thoughts on this.
00:53:10.000What if we made a website where as soon as you load it, you are placed in a queue where you can write one word and 5,000 people all write one word?
00:53:25.000Who's sued for defamation when you write a story claiming that Nancy Pelosi eats dogs?
00:53:31.000I see what you're getting at here, that what you're running there is an interactive computer service which is protected from defamation under CDA Section 230.
00:53:39.000And each individual made no statement.
00:53:54.000If you're a developer, we're going to create this interactive website where it starts with a Q. I mentioned this the other day.
00:54:01.000And then everyone from your position, if you're the first person and you're number one, you get the first word.
00:54:07.000We'll just let everybody like fork it whenever they want and you'll be guaranteed to get whatever you want and then as an editor you could pick the one that you want to show.
00:55:43.000And then everyone will see the headline.
00:55:45.000And, uh, and then what, what can I do about it?
00:55:48.000There's a question whether it's defamation.
00:55:50.000If it is a website where these things truly are random people posting words, I think there's some question as to whether it is actually, even if it is something nasty that comes up eventually, as to whether it is defamation as opposed to people would not take it and if no one would take it as such.
00:56:07.000There's a certain point at which it's obviously satire and not meant as a statement.
00:56:11.000What if I only allowed a handful of words like Nancy Pelosi eats and dog?
00:56:35.000But I mean, I just I look at what's going on with big tech and how they're basically invincible, how they have these laws that for us we get spat on, we get pissed on, we get stepped on.
00:56:44.000And then Wikipedia can just do whatever the hell they want.
00:56:50.000It's when it says from Wikipedia that it starts to get real fishy for me.
00:56:54.000Like, if they were clear, like, this is all community, and they linked to the screen names of the people that put the little pieces in and stuff, that's a different story.
00:57:02.000Except, someone could write on Wikipedia, Nancy Pelosi eats chicken, another person can go in and change chicken to dog, and they've made no statement.
00:57:11.000You can't sue that person because they've made no statement.
00:57:14.000The person who said she eats chicken, maybe that's true.
00:57:16.000The person who changed chicken to dog did not make a statement.
00:59:38.000Wikipedia owns the culture right now and it's hard to solve.
00:59:42.000Still, this is a hard work and as FUTA, as a tech organization, we want to try to create technical solutions.
00:59:49.000I do feel like there is some ways we can chip away at Wikipedia.
00:59:52.000Clearly, free speech has already weakened their stature in the culture.
00:59:57.000There's many people who like know that Wikipedia's propaganda on any kind of contentious issue.
01:00:04.000What I would like to see as from the technical solution would be some sort of way for dissenting editors at Wikipedia to very, very easily fork it and have their own kind of wiki, have their own articles show up and have, you know, Building this product is one of the trickier things.
01:00:22.000I consider Wikipedia to be a very special case of social media.
01:00:37.000How can we get it so that, like, Those contributions are more ubiquitous for the world and different editor organizations can decide which editors should be banned and which shouldn't.
01:00:51.000And the dissenting side in any kind of these Wikipedia edit wars actually has a viable thing that people will find.
01:00:59.000And those are the sorts of things that Larry's working on with his organization.
01:01:03.000You could have, like, a page with all these overlays that would pop up with different percentages of how accurate are each overlay relative to these editors.
01:01:10.000Like, if an editor has a 72% rating, then they're going to affect their overlay that they edited, and then you'd be able to sort all the overlays on, like, Dog, the Wikipedia's thing of, like, Hillary Clinton or whatever.
01:01:20.000And then, so you'd see, like, 900,000 Hillary Clinton Wikipedia pages on top of each other, and then you'd sort them by the ones with the most trusted editors, and you'd sort that one to the top.
01:01:31.000I think the issue is the most trusted editors would be 50-50, if that, right?
01:01:35.000So I was talking with a group of people way back in the day about a journalist rating system or a news organization rating system.
01:01:43.000One of the things we want to do with our fact-checking nonprofit is create a browser extension and then actually hire fact-checkers to rate various news outlets based on violations of journalistic ethics.
01:01:56.000One of the ideas has always been, what if you create like a meter?
01:01:58.000Showing like, how much do we trust a journalist?
01:02:01.000Okay, well if they write for Breitbart, they're gonna get a zero, right?
01:02:03.000Because every mainstream, every liberal democrat person is gonna be like, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar.
01:02:12.000But that means, you need, like, if I came out, And said, Joe Biden is corrupt, you know, has engaged in overt corruption with the Ukraine scandal, saying fire the prosecutor.
01:02:42.000He's just not been held accountable for it.
01:02:44.000If I say that, people on the left are going to say, either knowingly, or I should say willfully, they'll call me a liar knowing it's true, because they want political power.
01:02:55.000So they'll say, oh that story from Tim Pool is false, minus one.
01:02:57.000Then you're going to get a bunch of other Democrats and Antifa types who are going to be like, that's not true, I heard on CNN, minus one.
01:03:04.000You're hoping, then, that if a thousand of these people downrate you, that some conservative who knows it's true is going to uprate you, or at the very least, you'll end up with conservatives saying, I believe that's true, whether it is or not.
01:03:16.000It's going to be the inverse version of the same thing.
01:03:18.000So we need a trustless way to identify their value.
01:03:23.000Maybe if people don't realize they're rating the articles or the individuals that edit the articles, but they're either, maybe with crypto, I like the trustless Smart contracts.
01:03:36.000I'm kind of throwing out buzzwords here.
01:03:38.000I gotta be a little more pessimistic though.
01:04:05.000I mean, it used to be that there were Democrats and Republicans.
01:04:08.000They'd argue with each other, but they were all Americans.
01:04:10.000They'd all come out for the Fourth of July and be like, oh, you know, I don't agree with that stuff, but hey, America, right?
01:04:17.000Now you've got people that CNN, for instance, all these big news outlets know for a fact they're never going to sell to a Trump supporter.
01:04:26.000So they have absolutely zero reason to be honest about Trump and his supporters.
01:04:30.000If they know their bread is being buttered by a bunch of, you know, left activists, why would they ever tell the truth on Trump?
01:04:37.000I mean, right now, Jim Acosta, you know, he did a segment the other day where he claimed Donald Trump appears to have been calling for civil war.
01:05:57.000We're kind of sit in peace together with like pretending like we know we're not going to hurt each other, but like, it doesn't mean it's never going to happen, you know?
01:06:04.000So we live in this idea of truth and trust, which is just like, They're extremes that don't exist, and so we should code our stuff that way, too.
01:06:13.000And trust can be, in a way, counterproductive.
01:06:18.000I've talked to several people who grew up behind the Iron Curtain, and what they always say about that is, you know, we knew our news was fake.
01:06:27.000And in a way, that's sort of because there was no trust.
01:06:30.000They knew that, okay, you have to read between the lines, you have to really think about this.
01:06:34.000In this country, for better or for worse, we used to have much more trust in media in our institutions.
01:06:42.000I think part of that is technological.
01:06:44.000We had an era where the main means of media distribution were the broadcast television channels, a few major newspapers that had a legal interest in being I don't want to use the word objective that strongly, but more neutral.
01:06:59.000And we don't have that, and we've sort of carried over this unwarranted trust.
01:07:03.000And as that's broken down, I think people look at things, even Wikipedia, I think with a more skeptical eye.
01:07:09.000And, you know, if you can shore that up, if you can find things that people can trust, I think you do a service.
01:07:20.000They talk about like smart contracts, crypto smart contracts are trustless because you don't have to trust that giving your money to the guy, he's going to do the thing that you gave him the money to do.
01:08:11.000It's not, we can't have a top-down approach to trust where we're told to trust certain people.
01:08:16.000I kind of feel like there may be an inevitability in the hyperpolarization.
01:08:22.000Though I think it's possible that the tech oligarchs, the censorship has exacerbated this by banning only some people.
01:08:30.000I kind of feel like we saw early on in the internet Tribes were forming where people like to rag on each other.
01:08:37.000There's a video that I talk about often called, This Video Will Make You Angry by CGP Grey, where he mentions that communities don't actually argue with each other, they argue amongst themselves about the other.
01:08:48.000And they get riled up and get angrier and angrier about it.
01:08:50.000And this tribalism eventually leads to conflict.
01:08:53.000So I wonder if... Do you think that's an inevitability?
01:08:59.000I mean, the culture war itself arising out of these tribes that have formed where everyone hates each other?
01:09:04.000I mean, yeah, I mean, human nature, we see it with sports teams, everything, like, it's inevitable, but doesn't... How do you stop it from getting to the point where people are killing each other?
01:09:14.000This is a philosophical point, but I think that, yes, if you do have, I don't know if you call it a free market for, but if you do have different groups able to trust who they want and able to use an alternative technology when they want to get the information they do.
01:09:31.000I think that you have... I understand that that can lead to problems, but I think it leads to fewer problems than one of, like you say, this top-down enforcement of trust, where inevitably one tribe or one side or another is going to feel this intense resentment.
01:09:47.000I think that's when things get really dangerous, when people are confirmed in their belief that everything is against them.
01:09:59.000Former Fox reporter calls for arrests over right wing's great replacement theory.
01:10:05.000Tucker Carlson responded saying this is going to get really ugly really soon.
01:10:09.000Slamming ex Fox News colleague who suggested he should be in jail or something worse.
01:10:15.000What's something worse, Carlson asked his audience after airing a clip of the remarks from the former reporter Cameron made over the weekend to CNN.
01:10:22.000We're not sure what something worse is, but it certainly feels like we're moving toward it at a very high speed at this point.
01:11:02.000My friends from Silicon Valley are all Democrats, but they're not going to say Tucker Carlson should be executed for talking about replacement theory.
01:11:40.000And then of course, people who see that are like, whoa, those people are crazy.
01:11:43.000So it's, it's, it's exacerbating the problem.
01:11:45.000It's escalating things regardless of whether they're being tongue in cheek or hyperbolic or otherwise.
01:11:51.000Feels like the network should be responsible for these people that are talking on the network.
01:11:54.000I know it's not a social network, so they don't have, I don't know, 230 in parity, but... They don't care, though, because they know they don't make money from Trump supporters.
01:12:05.000They have no cultural tie to conservatives, Republicans, or Libertarians.
01:12:10.000But this guy's saying something worse.
01:12:12.000The only thing worse than jail for a criminal is death penalty, that I'd know of.
01:12:15.000I mean, you either get life in prison or death penalty.
01:12:19.000So what's this guy going on CNN and suggesting that someone needs the death penalty for talking on a news channel?
01:12:25.000And now people are going to hear you saying it.
01:12:26.000CNN needs to come out and speak against that.
01:12:28.000And so whether anyone has the full intent of it or not, people will hear us talking about it, and they're going to be like, man, these CNN people have lost their minds allowing this.
01:12:37.000They're going to say, Ian's right, they shouldn't allow that.
01:12:40.000This guy's calling for the death penalty for Tucker Carlson.
01:13:47.000How does this guy get to the point where we'd actually say something worse than jailing for talking about an idea pushed by... Maybe he meant he should lose his job, I don't know.
01:13:57.000He said go to jail or something worse.
01:13:58.000Like a jail for a week or lose your job, I don't know.
01:14:55.000Do you say, Hillary Clinton destroyed 30,000 emails, but we're not going to go after her because it would escalate tensions?
01:15:00.000He should say she should be charged, not locked up.
01:15:03.000That's the judge to decide, or the jury.
01:15:06.000And then everyone says, criminally charge my opponent, you criminally charge yours, everyone says they're right.
01:15:11.000You know, you mentioned it on the show before, the left says the exact same thing about us that we say about them.
01:15:15.000And then I pointed out, yeah, but we're right.
01:15:18.000Like, when I say Joe Biden went to the president of Ukraine and said, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion dollar loan guarantees.
01:17:55.000And I supported Yang and Tulsi in 2020, trying to find that compromise that the establishment left and the leftists were unwilling to have.
01:18:04.000So some of my friends were receptive to it, too, though.
01:18:20.000I think they're going to do a lot of nothing.
01:18:21.000I like your metaphor about the shields creating more than the finger trap.
01:18:24.000Because it's like, if you're angry about what you're communicating because you've been upset by what they did, then people can tell and they don't want to listen.
01:18:31.000But if you don't have that resistance, And you're just stating it.
01:18:35.000Yeah, Biden, you know, he bribed those guys to fire that prosecutor so that Burisma didn't get investigated.
01:18:40.000That's pretty much, that's a fact I saw on TV.
01:18:48.000Well, we can say it's corruption either way because Telling a foreign country that you will withhold aid to them unless they fire someone, that's a corrupt act.
01:18:57.000He doesn't have the authority to do that.
01:18:59.000And they even told him that and he bragged about it and said, call the president, see what he says.
01:19:01.000Like, wow, he's bragging about superseding the will of the people.
01:19:20.000So now you investigate, look into emails, determine whether or not he did it to protect his son or not.
01:19:25.000But either way, he bragged about doing it.
01:19:27.000Now when we say that, who's telling the truth?
01:19:30.000I mean, That's a conversation I had with my dad a couple, few days ago about the facts, because he was like, when he watches this show from time to time, he's like, oh, you guys are saying wrong.
01:19:38.000The wrong information is what you're saying is wrong.
01:20:00.000The things we get wrong aren't like core details on major political events.
01:20:04.000The things we get wrong are like, I'll say a caliber of a gun and then someone will chat and be like, Tim, you're wrong about that, it's actually this, and I'll go, oh, that was a mistake.
01:20:11.000Yeah, but to them, you're in the same category as QAnon people who believe all sorts of crazy stuff, right?
01:20:49.000Like, you know, I would say that in Silicon Valley, the Republicans justifiably lost like any support for the future with like Cheney and Bush.
01:20:59.000And I would say the same thing today, that, like, the Democrats have equally deserved, like, no support in the future from any of these— if anybody who's principled, I would say quit.
01:21:09.000What concerns me about that— Quit your party if you're a Democrat, for sure.
01:21:11.000But if you go to your average Republican and ask them about some crazy conspiracy, they might give you a half-baked answer where it's like, well, I don't know, but, you know, these things I think are weird, and I read this somewhere.
01:21:23.000If you go to your mainstream Democrat and ask them about, like, Russia and stuff, they're probably gonna be like, yeah, I think he did it.
01:21:30.000And it's like, even though Mueller proved it wasn't true, even though now with the Sussman trial, we're learning about Hillary Clinton's role in signing off on these things, they're gonna be like, I don't know about that.
01:21:38.000I mean, first of all, I'm steel manning my friends here, just so you know, but, you know, they would say, well, yeah, we know that there was all this stuff that's like shady about the report that came out of England or whatever, but we still know that there's like, collusion happening between Trump and Russia.
01:22:00.000Like we know that he has hotel deals he wants in Moscow.
01:22:17.000You know, and so we talk about Trump and the things we actually don't like about his presidency relatively often, drone strikes and, you know, why that happened, things like that.
01:22:28.000Donald Trump, whether it was him or someone else, Trump hotels were being advertised on a State Department website.
01:22:48.000But then you hear from a lot of these people, they won't even bother watching a show like this.
01:22:53.000I mean, let alone Google searching half the news that comes out.
01:22:56.000That to me, I'm sorry if I'm a little pessimistic in that regard, but I think, you know, we talk about technology and all these things, and I don't think that's the issue.
01:23:05.000We need technology to be developed because there may come a time when we get cut off completely from Silicon Valley.
01:23:11.000If a civil war really is coming, or we're in one, fourth, fifth generational warfare, whatever it may be, what do you think is going to happen to the anti-establishment when states start breaking apart?
01:23:23.000San Francisco is going to be like, eliminate all the IPs from states that we don't like.
01:23:34.000That's why, you know, I like Rumble Cloud Service because I'm like, they might censor me, so.
01:23:39.000What you said earlier, Aaron, was interesting that Silicon Valley people there got disenfranchised with the Republicans, with Bush and Cheney, and then now they're being disenfranchised with this ridiculousness on the Democrats' side.
01:24:26.000It's Alphabet, which is owned by BlackRock.
01:24:28.000I mean, it's in part owned by BlackRock State Street Vanguard.
01:24:32.000Yeah, and that is that is purely a result of the propaganda to, like, try to scare people about, like, you know, the corporations are only hope against these evil racists in Kentucky or whatever, who, you know, are going to, you know, would be throwing gay people off of buildings if they had their way.
01:24:50.000Well, now there's like a big scandal in the UK because they were flying the Union Jack over some street and all these leftists are like, this is what the Nazis did.
01:25:00.000And it's like, yo, it's your country's flag.
01:25:02.000Like just because the Nazis drank water doesn't mean you shouldn't drink water, you know?
01:26:20.000Yeah, I mean, it's funny how you have this belief, or I don't know how you describe it, but You have multinational corporations, politicians, they meet together in big international conferences.
01:26:36.000The New York Times are invited guests at the World Economic Forum, along with world leaders and people like Bill Gates, where they're talking about really horrifying things like, what do they say, implantable biotracking or whatever, for your lives, tracking your carbon footprint.
01:27:14.000This is like authoritarian, weird, European, pseudo-communist, fascist, Nazi stuff.
01:27:21.000I hate the term free speech absolutism because it kind of begs the question, but the American First Amendment conception of free speech is not unique in the world, but it's very rare.
01:27:37.000And I think one of my worries is that I think it should be becoming increasingly rare just in a gut conception of what free speech is in the younger generation.
01:27:46.000In millennials now, Gen Z is even more so.
01:27:49.000And to address what you're saying, is the government the worst, is the corporations the worst?
01:27:54.000I would split the difference and say the worst possible state of affairs is one where both the government and corporations are competing to please each other.
01:28:03.000That you have in place a corporate apparatus that can do things that a state would like it to do without repercussions.
01:28:12.000So people are saying that the police actually were wearing badges that said World Economic Forum Police on their arms.
01:28:18.000So that's actually what Jack, he stated they were World Economic Forum Police.
01:28:22.000So it's a private company and they have the word police on it, which is interesting because I used to think of police as a public service, but not in Switzerland apparently.
01:28:31.000I mean, it's not surprising in Switzerland.
01:28:47.000I mean, crypto is something we've been looking at a lot recently.
01:28:52.000It's actually, it's been overhyped and we're kind of disappointed that we wanted to find a lot of anti-establishment engineers to kind of just make these kind of decentralized things and open source things that, you know, help free us from the oligopoly.
01:29:06.000And unfortunately, a lot of the attention You know, I like to say, you know, all the elite engineers are either working for Google, but those who aren't are working for, they're trying to do cryptocurrency schemes.
01:29:19.000And some of them are, you know, Bitcoin works.
01:29:30.000Yeah, I remember in the early days there were just hundreds of coins that were derivative of Bitcoin and people were just trading between them and it was nonsense.
01:29:41.000It was like they were all basically just slight alterations of Bitcoin for some reason people bought.
01:29:46.000The craziest thing was when there would be a coin That was the lowest possible value it could be.
01:29:53.000Like, you know, eighth decimal point of a cent.
01:29:57.000So if you bought a ton of it, it could only double.
01:30:02.000So people would put like a thousand bucks into the most worthless thing possible, because at the very least you sold it and got your money back because it couldn't go any lower.
01:31:20.000They were, like, tokens you could get for, like, the games or whatever.
01:31:23.000I mean, yeah, that's just, that's not even a blockchain, that's just... Right, no, it's like... It's like an in-app purchase in a video game.
01:31:29.000Yeah, and it's like having gems in Zelda, you know, but you can use them on Facebook.
01:32:01.000Guys, if you like If you're not a fan of communism, if you want to explain inflation to somebody, just introduce them to World of Warcraft.
01:32:12.000Or if you know any socialists who play, just ask them, have they ever noticed why it makes no sense that linen costs like 30 gold?
01:32:47.000You kill a boar and then you skin it and take its leather.
01:32:50.000It used to be worthless, because the value of the item you got was comparable to the level you were.
01:32:58.000If you just started the game and it's easy to kill these things, it's not very valuable now, is it?
01:33:03.000But then they rolled out the mass printing of currency by allowing you to buy money.
01:33:08.000So if you start the game, you can be like, I want to buy the best item, so I'm going to give hard US cash to just have all the gold I want without doing any work for it.
01:33:15.000Well, what ends up happening is, now, the lowest level items cost obscene amounts of money.
01:33:21.000If you start the game off, you'll have no way of making that money.
01:35:20.000Yeah, I think it got hit and slowed down, Mars.
01:35:22.000You need a certain amount of gravity to hold an atmosphere in.
01:35:26.000So if... I could be completely wrong about this, but I was reading about why we can't colonize Mars.
01:35:30.000Yeah, I'm actually more bullish on what they call the O'Neill Cylinder, which is like, you know, the hollowed out asteroid that's rotating.
01:35:38.000And you could do that in low-Earth orbit, and you won't have deaths when people have problems on Mars, because they can just get to Earth pretty quickly.
01:35:46.000But you do have a habitat that's exterior from the Earth ecosystem.
01:35:52.000We just need faster-than-light travel.
01:35:56.000We need to figure out how to rip holes in the fabric of spacetime.
01:36:22.000Yeah, but if we should just do what we can with what we know now, if we do, if we do colonize Mars, it's going to be underground or it's gonna be big domes.
01:36:36.000If we do seed bombing, you retrofit C 60 bomber planes or like drones and you can drop like a billion seeds per day of trees.
01:36:43.000And like, they don't, they don't catch, like if you're doing it by hand, but so many of them land and if we can start growing trees, there's no atmosphere.
01:36:49.000But if there's, there's carbon dioxide coming out of the water, There's not enough gravity to hold the atmosphere in, get it?
01:36:55.000Yeah, I'm wondering if- So it just goes off into space.
01:36:57.000The dust, the soil, or whatever you want to call it, the substrate is also drier, I think, than any desert on Earth by a factor of like, you know, three times or something like that.
01:37:06.000It needs to be heated up so that ice melts.
01:37:25.000You hollow out large structures and then you vacuum it out so they float like boats above the dense atmosphere.
01:37:30.000And you have one atmosphere of pressure and you have actually one gravity, close to one gravity, so it's much more hospitable than Mars, I think, will ever be.
01:38:56.000Also, at least in the context of school, their Fourth Amendment rights are somewhat different.
01:39:01.000There are cases, I mean, they still have a Fourth Amendment right, but it is reasonable to search them in a wider variety of circumstances than, say, a man on the street.
01:39:09.000I mean, cops can basically just search you.
01:39:11.000I mean, like, we have a Fourth Amendment right, but they can detain you and they can frisk you.
01:39:17.000Um, yeah, there's the, um, shoot, I'm forgetting the case.
01:39:23.000Yes, they can frisk you for weapons and that and that people have said that that's been, you know, abused and all that.
01:39:27.000But you still have a reasonable expectation of privacy as walking down the street that is a relatively, relatively broad, broader than a student's in a school.
01:39:59.000So they'd give the kid a weapon and they would call up very young people to fight and defend their property from threats, both foreign and domestic.
01:40:06.000If these things are to be changed, then you need to have a convention of states and change them.
01:40:13.000Maybe there's precedent saying children do not qualify as the people because they fall into the jurisdiction of their parents or something like that until they enter the age of majority.
01:41:08.000There are certain establishments that make more than 51% of their... 50 plus 1% of their revenue from alcohol still you can't carry in, and there's a few others.
01:41:48.000But the things we should watch out for are things like they want to make it so that it's impossible to connect to the internet anonymously.
01:41:56.000Like we should make sure that that's all it's always allowed to connect to the internet anonymously, things like that.
01:42:03.000I think it's building on what I was just saying about corporations versus government.
01:42:06.000The biggest vulnerability, from my perspective, is a situation where the government can ask a corporation to enforce a dictate that it would not otherwise be able to do.
01:42:16.000What I'm worried about is the executive branch of this country being able to say, we would like so-and-so deplatformed, we would like so-and-so removed from public discourse.
01:42:25.000and Silicon Valley, a company there, having the ability to do so and obliging them.
01:42:32.000Just knowing that they'll get a favor from the government in return or whatever, because
01:42:36.000the government could not do that on their own.
01:42:40.000Dang Lin Wang says, Ian, look into the Eye of Sahara Atlantis theory.
01:42:44.000Critics who say it's false also say Atlantis was never real to begin with.
01:43:05.000It's about the same size, I think, that Plato said it was.
01:43:08.000And it's got like water flow areas where it looks like they dug out like a canal to the water.
01:43:13.000I mean, it looks human that humans were involved.
01:43:15.000You can see ancient rivers and stuff all around there that are all dried out now.
01:43:18.000All right, Sam Whitehurst says, anytime I have a philosophical dilemma, I end up imagining Tim and Ian having one of their classic arguments representing the two sides of my brain.
01:43:49.000DanibusX says, as a longtime member, as a longtime member is of Patriots.win, the successor to the Donald, we referred to editing comments as spez since that incident as a tribute to the head of Reddit.
01:44:05.000For those that don't know, the CEO of Reddit was so angry that he was being made fun of, he went into the database and changed what users had said about him.
01:44:42.000But like, at what point do you, well, it's not a social media network, first of all.
01:44:47.000Well, it was kind of what I was talking about with trust.
01:44:49.000I would hope that over time, Futo, if we're successful, we'll have enough of a track record that individuals can decide that the things that we kind of give a stamp of approval have been vetted and are doing the right thing.
01:45:04.000In terms of the situation with Reddit, I mean, absolutely, all these companies need to totally open up their moderation process.
01:45:13.000League of Legends did a very interesting thing when they launched, where their moderation for their chat in League of Legends had an open process for deciding who would have their chat privileges removed.
01:45:25.000There's no reason why every tech company can't open up their moderation process.
01:45:29.000So we see exactly how these decisions are made, and the Reddit guy would have seen what he did.
01:46:07.000And he's like, ha ha ha, you know, he likes that it's confusing.
01:46:11.000That's the problem with that guy, I think.
01:46:13.000I love, I mean, I have much love for the man, but that's that's my criticism of why people aren't listening to him.
01:46:17.000Yeah, he also never really thought about how to, like, incentivize programmers.
01:46:21.000Like, you should be able to write software and ask people to pay you for it.
01:46:26.000Like, maybe it can still be open source, but you could say, like, hey, give me ten bucks, give me a box of cookies, or whatever, if you're using this software, and if you don't, like, you should delete it.
01:47:19.000I think one of the challenges is, at what point does the government act as the parent because the parents, you know, the government doesn't like what the parents are doing.
01:47:28.000Like truancy laws or curfew laws and things like that.
01:47:32.000Yeah, if you give a little, they're gonna take a lot.
01:47:34.000I think for sure parents are censoring their children.
01:47:36.000They're deciding what they can and can't eat, what they can and can't watch, where they can and can't go.
01:47:53.000I mean, it's always been, I think, 10-30 or something like that.
01:47:56.000The cops will... I just remember at, uh, like 11-15, just after, when I was 16, I believe I was 26 days from turning 17, but I got my, my curfew violation in high school.
01:48:32.000You know, you were, you had to be responsible.
01:48:34.000Now it's like the government is just, it's a nanny state, you know?
01:48:40.000Yeah, darkness is a little freaky or can be, things can hide.
01:48:45.000All right, Bootless Regent says, I don't know why I'm doing this, but it's my birthday today and I would like to get a shout out for tomorrow when I am listening to this.
01:49:56.000There's also like an epic saga behind the Dolph Lundgren movie that like, it was just like, uh, you know, from the beginning, a total, total mess.
01:50:27.000Brian Buck says, would you be interested in hearing opinions about DEC and its founder and CEO for years that did not fit the mold of the controlling narcissist type?
01:50:35.000A tech CEO that maintained a modest life, lifestyle, and salary, and had one hell of a product.
01:52:14.000I guess they have, on Alaska I think it's called, it's one of the cities, they do, that's where that show about crabbing or whatever it was.
01:54:02.000Yeah, that's a really, really cool project that they've done periodically.
01:54:05.000And then you can watch, like, someone will draw the American flag.
01:54:08.000There'll be, like, 50 people all trying to draw the American flag, and then someone will try to turn it into the Canadian flag or whatever, and they'll be competing, and then one side wins.
01:54:53.000I think we need to look at Wikipedia as just a source of diffs.
01:54:57.000They're called diffs, which is the difference from one page to the next.
01:55:01.000And if we just look at it as a source of diffs, you could actually just fork it very easily by saying this editor wins and this editor loses, even though the Wikipedia foundation says the opposite.
01:55:14.000It's pretty complicated software to build that, but it's kind of something we're thinking about a lot, and obviously Larry Sanger's looking at this too.
01:55:23.000Captain Tanker Joe says, Tim, I need you to do something for me.
01:55:25.000Stop calling diesel gas when referring to what trucks consume.
01:55:35.000It was an accident because I typically refer to gas as gasoline and diesel as diesel because I have diesel vehicles and gas vehicles and electric vehicle, singular.
01:55:45.000But so when I say gas, I'm referring to gasoline.
01:55:48.000When I'm saying diesel, I'm referring to diesel.
01:58:16.000If a civil war truly comes to be, I would have to wonder who would be our real friends and foes upon the world stage.
01:58:22.000China would be just be, they'd be like, yeah, yeah, we're going to give you money, you know, this faction, and then they're going to go to the other faction.
01:58:27.000We're going to, we're going to give you money and just fund both.
02:01:02.000Rando Bunderson says, Mars has an atmosphere, albeit a very thin one, otherwise the helicopter drone Ingenuity on it right now wouldn't function.
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