In this episode of Timestamps, we're joined by the CEO of Rumble, Chris Pavlovsky, who joins us to talk about the company's new terms of use for free speech and why it's so important to have a free and open internet.
00:00:53.000Elon Musk had an all-hands-on meeting with Twitter where he answered a bunch of questions, and it's great
00:01:09.000He said he's gonna allow some pretty wacky stuff on Twitter.
00:01:13.000Now, we know this for a couple reasons.
00:01:15.000One, there were reporters talking about it, but Project Veritas has leaked the entire conversation.
00:01:20.000It's really fascinating to see a whole bunch of woke Silicon Valley staffers looking at Elon Musk and having to ask these questions, and you know they're probably just fuming.
00:01:29.000I think that's significant, because it looks like Elon Musk is gonna be buying out Twitter, and that means a lot.
00:01:34.000But we also have the CEO of Rumble joining us, because we're going to talk about Rumble's rules and the changes that are coming there, and a bunch of other really interesting stories around the big tech censorship stuff.
00:02:28.000Viva Frye, Montreal litigator, content creator.
00:02:32.000Robert and I have an awesome locals community, vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
00:02:37.000Been working with Rumble to actually tinker with some terms of use for free speech that is going to be clear, transparent, and actually change the way people look at what it means to actually have a platform that respects free speech.
00:02:55.000Here to discuss the way that the new Rumble rules will not only revolutionize the way free speech can work on the Internet, but be an open source that people can utilize, create a participatory process so both content creators and consumers can be involved in the process.
00:03:08.000It's a way that big tech can move forward in a way that promotes and protects the original goal of a free and open Internet.
00:03:21.000Looking forward to being on here tonight.
00:03:24.000This whole change that we've done is actually inspired from the community here at TimCast.
00:03:30.000If I wasn't here six months ago, I don't know if this would have happened, but seeing all the feedback and what the community is looking for, I think we're doing the right thing here and I'm excited to be here to propose what we want to do.
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00:07:04.000But let's get started with this news about Elon Musk.
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00:07:10.000Here's the big news from Project Veritas.
00:07:13.000Exclusive Twitter all-hands meeting from June 16th.
00:07:16.000The amazing thing is, this meeting just happened.
00:07:19.000And then Project Veritas is like, we had the meeting literally the moment it ended.
00:07:23.000Leaked video of Elon Musk's address to Twitter employees about essential nature of free speech, voting Republican, and evolving Twitter.
00:07:30.000Quote, I think it's essential to have free speech, Musk said on the call after describing his affinity for Twitter.
00:07:36.000He added multiple opinions should exist on Twitter to make sure that we are not sort of driving a narrative.
00:07:41.000On the call, Musk was asked about his political leanings, his plans for layoffs, and the direction of the company.
00:07:47.000He described himself as moderate, noting that he traditionally has voted Democrat but voted Republican this week for the first time in his life.
00:07:53.000He also discussed his vision for Twitter, saying that traditional news media is negative, and they almost never get it right.
00:07:59.000He added that bots, spam, and multi-account users must be contained.
00:08:03.000I think an important goal for Twitter would be to try to include as much of the country, as much of the world, as possible.
00:08:09.000He notes that he's not hung up on titles.
00:08:11.000He reacted to the news of Project Veritas publishing the recorded meeting on Twitter by posting exactly, in fact, he was responding to Lydia.
00:08:31.000So I can only imagine the woke Twitter employees who were lamenting libs of TikTok must be particularly irked having to sit there and listen to Elon Musk be like, I think we should have free speech and put wacky stuff on this platform.
00:08:43.000Did Elon Musk not know that it was being recorded?
00:08:46.000Because if there's one meeting and given the content of what was leaked, you would say certain things knowing that it might be leaked afterwards.
00:08:52.000Although this like is a great thing to always just take for granted.
00:08:55.000Everyone's recording everything you say at all times so you don't say anything dumb.
00:09:00.000So shocking that you have Gavin Newsom now looking for the other free speech platform because they support free speech somewhere, just not where they don't want to hear it.
00:09:07.000It's like, yeah, so that's another story we'll get into.
00:09:10.000But what's the logic behind opposing free speech or being, you know, California has got a lot of skeletons in its closet pertaining to big tech.
00:09:35.000I think a very big one, especially from the corporate media's response to this, because according to their sources and according to the Twitter slack, The employees are very angry and they're very pissed ... off and they don't know how to deal with this larger ... acquisition which they have voiced you know that they were ... disappointed with so Elon Musk just a few days ago even ... talked about how Twitter is biased against half the ... country how they're inactive against death threats against ... conservatives he just voted for a conservative for the ... first time in his life he also hinted that he's going to be ... voting for Ron DeSantis in 2024 so obviously.
00:10:09.000What he said wasn't controversial, but for the people working at Twitter, for the people in San Francisco, for the yuppie Starbucks drinking flip-flop wearing yuppies there, holy cow, their minds are probably going crazy and they're freaking out because this is the reckoning of a big social media platform that's going to change the game.
00:10:26.000The Twitter employees are outraged over this.
00:10:29.000They've been complaining about Elon Musk's takeover.
00:10:31.000We have the leaked chats where they're talking about banning libs of TikTok.
00:10:35.000And it's like they don't seem to realize they are the snowflakes in the avalanche of people like Elon Musk voting Republican.
00:10:42.000It is the actions they have taken with censorship, with their hostility and intolerance, that's resulting in Elon Musk being like, I don't think you're fun, so I'm gonna vote for this other guy.
00:10:53.000They must be thinking, if only we banned the Babylon Bee, Elon Musk would still vote Democrat.
00:10:58.000What's encouraging about it is that clearly not everyone within Twitter is so much on board with the nonsense, and it's a vocal minority who purport to represent the majority.
00:11:07.000And they're going to find out at one point sooner than later it's not going to be cool to do this, because people are going to want an actual platform that actually just allows people to talk, not in hurtful, hate, you know, violent ways, openly, to share ideas.
00:11:58.000So, I'm thinking to myself, if people use Twitter because the conversation's happening there, but now it's not, and they're just trying to destroy your life because you tweeted a joke, or retweeted a joke, like Dave Weigel at the Washington Post, yo, you might as well just be on Truth Social.
00:12:13.000I think Elon sees this, is why he's desperately trying to salvage this.
00:12:16.000Well, Elon made public statements about this.
00:12:18.000He said that it's the failures of Twitter that led Donald Trump to create Truth Social, that it's bringing people there, and he also makes the argument that censorship is radicalizing individuals, as of course it's pushing people off to further points of the internet.
00:12:32.000It's not allowing a real honest discussion, it's making people's views Uh, be double downed on instead of questioned.
00:12:41.000And that conversation used to happen on Twitter.
00:12:45.000Um, and, and we're seeing again, just, uh, the politicization, the, this kind of radicalization of people from both political parties that are going further and further from away away from each other.
00:12:55.000And I think that's because of big tech social media.
00:15:59.000I mean, Donald Trump even said if he gets invited back on Twitter, he's not going to come back because he has Truth Social.
00:16:05.000But there also have been accusations against Truth Social with censorship against people posting January 6th information.
00:16:13.000That's some of the alleged information coming out within the last couple of days.
00:16:16.000And there is something, as Barnes, as you brought up, to the larger point of if Twitter does take over and allow free speech on their platform, people are saying it's predominantly going to affect Donald Trump and Truth Social the most out of all the other platforms.
00:16:31.000Well, I think that's where there needs to be what Rumble is doing is the right way to go, which is to create clear, transparent, open rules.
00:16:36.000Honestly, Getter kind of didn't, well I won't be critical of anyone else, just say no one else has created the rules that Rumble is going about creating.
00:16:43.000Not only creating those rules, but also creating a participatory process whereby consumers and creators can be part of that process.
00:16:50.000Create rules that can be open source, that can be mimicked and mirrored and copied by Getter, by Truth, by Gab, by anyone else, by Twitter if Elon Musk purchased it.
00:17:01.000And because these rules are designed to reach a balance between not making it a troll-heavy platform, but at the same time making it as free for speech and expression as possible.
00:17:10.000That heresy and dissident speech is allowed.
00:17:13.000And that's what people wanted in the original free and open internet.
00:17:16.000And Rumble's been taking the lead at creating open, transparent rules to make that a reality.
00:17:23.000Should we talk about the initiatives now?
00:17:25.000I mean, I'm excited about what you guys got rolling because last time we had some very interesting conversations with a lot of other social media platforms here on this podcast.
00:17:35.000We had a very interesting conversation with Chris six months ago.
00:17:38.000So, you know, should we go there or should we wait for later to talk about these developments?
00:17:44.000Let me pull up something a bit more political and then we'll get into why this stuff is so important.
00:17:50.000This is a story from the New York Times.
00:17:52.000USA Today to remove 23 articles after investigation into fabricated sources.
00:17:58.000The articles were removed after investigation identified stories and sources that appeared to be fabricated, USA Today said.
00:18:03.000The internal investigation, which took place over a period of several weeks, began after USA Today received an inquiry related to the veracity of details in an article by Gabriela Miranda, who was a breaking news reporter at USA Today.
00:19:05.000They fact check a bunch of stuff that we say is bogus fact checking, but you get called a conspiracy theorist for calling out the bogus fact checkers.
00:19:12.000Okay, I get fact-checked for the most ridiculous, stupidest things, especially when it comes to memes by these institutions.
00:19:18.000And again, another thing to kind of understand here, go on their website.
00:19:22.000It should be front-page news on their website right now.
00:19:37.000But it should have been like, so sorry, we goofed up, we messed up, we lied to you, and this is full transparency and accountability of what actually happened.
00:19:45.000But hold on, if you back it up just one second, I still saw January 6th first and foremost.
00:19:51.000I mean, they should stop running news, they should stop putting out articles, they should apologize, get on their knees to the general public and say, I'm so sorry, I lied to you.
00:20:00.000That's what anyone with any kind of reputation should be doing right now because this is so embarrassing and this is not something that's uncommon.
00:20:17.000I mean, obviously, free speech is important for a million and one reasons that we talk about in terms of your right to go outside and speak your mind or your right to practice the religion you want.
00:20:29.000I'm speaking more broadly than just the First Amendment.
00:20:30.000I mean, quite literally, your right to say these things about what you believe and your politics.
00:20:35.000But it's also Your ability to share the news on these social media platforms.
00:20:40.000And when the news broke of censorship against conservatives, it was May of 2016, and it was Gizmodo, I believe, who said that Facebook moderators for the trending tab were deleting conservative sources from their trending news section because they believed conservative sources were fake news.
00:21:11.000And so I make sure all of our sources are always going to have that nice green checkmark.
00:21:15.000But I will not hesitate to point out that their system is completely broken and makes no sense.
00:21:20.000Particularly because how does USA Today have a 100 out of 100 if they are publishing fake news?
00:21:26.000How do fact-checkers know whether or not a story from USA Today is real or fake?
00:21:33.000If the New York Times, CNN, or USA Today come out with a story and say, John Smith told us he sold a boat for $100, they would say it's true because USA Today said so.
00:22:35.000Bill Gates having any hand in this whatsoever is already super sus, as the children say.
00:22:39.000But they use these to discredit the other independent voices to then raise their own voices to prominence.
00:22:46.000So they can remove- who's the journalist that we talked about?
00:22:47.000Well, it's like a version of Russiagate, where you use your own laundered information over and over again as sources and citations.
00:22:53.000So you have a bogus source come in, and then they leak to the press that the FBI is investigating it, and then they use the press to get a FISA warrant, and then they use that fact to justify it to Congress.
00:23:03.000There's a list that came out today of prominent people who have sowed doubt about the election.
00:23:10.000Now, what does that mean, to sow doubt about the election?
00:24:07.000It's happening on a smaller scale to me in Canada, but CTVW5 runs a story, a hit piece on Rumble, refers to it as the darling of the right-wingers, where you go to post-COVID misinformation.
00:24:19.000They then demonize me on that show to make me look like I'm responsible for one cherry-picked, let's call it a bad comment.
00:24:37.000And then I noticed another article from the Simon Fraser Institute talking about disinformation on the internet that Google doesn't autocomplete.
00:24:45.000When you look up Alex Jones, it says author and not conspiracy theorist.
00:26:10.000Do you really think it was just 23 stories?
00:26:13.000This is what we know from their own independent audit.
00:26:16.000This is like the police investigating the police, which is questionable.
00:26:20.000There's a reason Bill Gates puts hundreds of millions of dollars into media companies.
00:26:24.000There's a reason that social media algorithms promote these trusted news sources that lie about almost every single thing.
00:26:33.000And I think even Elon Musk made this point today, saying that predominantly almost everything that the corporate media tries to sell is a lie.
00:26:43.000And I think it's fair to say that, especially with the way that our society has been abused and used by the special interests, that corporate media is just PR for the ruling establishment and it's nothing else.
00:26:54.000And this is a perfect example of how they play by a whole different set of rules when we get criticized, we get slandered, we get lied about, and we get attacked and vilified for trying to even speak up against this bullcrap.
00:27:06.000Politico is a really interesting organization.
00:27:08.000I don't understand how their NewsGuard is certified, which makes me question NewsGuard itself.
00:27:15.000Politico has, we've showed these stories before, they have numerous stories contradicting their own reporting.
00:27:21.000One story is from January of 2017 that says something like, you know, Ukraine panics, assisting Democrats in the 2016 election has backfired or something to that effect.
00:27:32.000The story was basically that Ukraine tried helping Clinton to stop Trump, and when Trump won, it was bad news for him.
00:27:36.000They then wrote, a few years later, that it was actually Russian disinformation that Ukraine helped the Democrats, and both stories are still live on Politico.
00:27:45.000How could you say, look, if that was the only thing?
00:27:49.000Let's say out of the other 500,000 stories or whatever on that website, they're all true and correct, but those two exist.
00:27:54.000You'd immediately have to say, as a rating agency, you are being stripped of being a credible agency because you have two articles that both say both stories are false.
00:29:27.000Yeah, you open the browser bar and you type in a word.
00:29:30.000I don't even type in web addresses anymore.
00:29:32.000I'll just type in, you know, like, what did I just do?
00:29:34.000I typed in USA Today and press enter and then it went to Google.
00:29:37.000If Google removed USA Today for being fake news, it wouldn't come up.
00:29:40.000It was a very good suit against the Biden administration brought by the states of Arizona and Louisiana that goes through it and in their motion for preliminary injunction, details the degree of government collusion that's been taking place.
00:29:49.000Even under Trump's administration, he didn't know his own Department of Homeland Security, his own cyber security folks were already manipulating information, including suppressing information hostile to Biden and favorable to Trump.
00:30:10.000been government created government curated censorship for the purposes of
00:30:13.000controlling the information in the narrative and that's why they fear big
00:30:17.000tech and independent to any kind of challenge to big tech monopoly is a
00:30:21.000threat to their gatekeeping control over the institutional narrative and they are
00:30:25.000You characterize them absolutely very correctly.
00:30:27.000And for those people out there that think monopoly means 100%, it doesn't.
00:30:31.000It means 75% or more historically in American law.
00:30:33.000And this is over 80% Google, as you're mentioning, over 90% of all searches controlled by Google.
00:30:37.000Almost all news information that's sought or that is read or reviewed or heard is dominated by Google.
00:30:43.000But Robert, response to the argument that people are going to say it's a merit-based monopoly, they've gotten it because of a superior product.
00:30:51.000I mean, there is some degree to which this technology naturally inclines itself to monopoly in the way Peter Thiel talks about, but by no means did they actually obtain this monopoly.
00:31:00.000Twitter obtained it because they said, we're going to be the free speech wing of the free speech party.
00:31:27.000So we're going to demonetize you, downrank you, and make sure that you can't work on the internet at all.
00:31:32.000Which is the power that they have, which is absolutely insane and way too much power for one organization to have.
00:31:37.000Here's where I think it's the most important thing is.
00:31:39.000I think for all of us, we've got platforms or literally run one.
00:31:43.000And so the problems we face are particularly unique, don't exist in the general population.
00:31:49.000But for the average person who does choose to get on Twitter and say, I would like to speak my mind and challenge this, they're the ones who get banned first.
00:31:55.000When Learn to Code was happening, when they were banning people for saying hashtag Learn to Code, majority of the people who were getting banned were like small counts, people who were just, you know, posting it.
00:32:06.000The big channels were less likely to get banned.
00:32:11.000But there are so many people I've met and spoken with who say, I can't, I went on, I was on Twitter for two days and I posted a news story and they banned me.
00:32:21.000Twitter will say, if they're on the left, give them some leeway.
00:32:25.000If they're on the right, don't give them the time of day.
00:32:27.000So when right-wing people come on, or libertarian moderate right, whatever you want to call it, come on the platform and say, here's the real story, with a link to a source debunking something, they're banned instantly.
00:32:38.000If you ban 60% of them, but only 40% of the left, if anyone at all, you create this lopsided system where the majority of information coming out will be narrative-controlled fake news, and the people who know better are unable to counter it.
00:33:13.000It skews perception and reality, especially if you're able to get rid of that tail, as you perfectly described here, because there has been a full frontal assault on independent thought, independent media, and critical thinking.
00:33:24.000If you dare to even just go against the establishment and what they want you to believe at that current time, at that current moment, even though it flip-flops by the interest of whoever's involved in it, you are done with.
00:33:37.000You are not going to have a way to succeed or live online, but now there's alternatives.
00:33:41.000Now there's Truth, there's Rumble, there's Getter, there's Hive, there's Steemit, there's so many other different alternatives, different platforms out there.
00:33:52.000I'm just going off the train of thinking that's an old one that I remembered.
00:33:55.000There's Hive, there's so many different ones out there.
00:33:57.000It's also meant to tell you as an independent person that your view doesn't count, that your view is wrong.
00:34:02.000So that little person, that ordinary person, that everyday person, doesn't have lots of followers, gets on and has a dissident information about COVID, dissident information about the election fornication that took place in 2020, has dissident information about Ukraine.
00:34:14.000They're told your view is not only disapproved, not only unsanctioned, but it's wrong and nobody really agrees with you.
00:35:43.000Because he's basically admitting that he doesn't support free speech on the one hand on the Twitter platform, but does support it and wants to flock to it on another platform.
00:35:51.000This is the same guy who tweeted out a mocking photo of DeSantis.
00:35:55.000He was reading books that DeSantis was banning, not realizing that the same dude in California are banning books.
00:36:01.000He doesn't understand a cell phone when it happens, but thank goodness that he gives it to the public.
00:36:06.000Could it be that the Democrats, the leftists of big tech who have banned these conservatives
00:36:12.000have created a boring platform and now Democrats are going to want to go to Truth Social?
00:36:17.000What if it turns out that Twitter ends up dying, Elon buys it, and then everyone's like,
00:36:32.000So when Trump truths, that's an amazing thing to say, by the way, journalists have to have accounts to see what he's saying, forcing them to sign up and be on the platform.
00:36:43.000Then what's the point of being on Twitter?
00:36:45.000It's not going to be newsworthy anymore.
00:36:47.000The people are going to be on truth and Trump's going to control it.
00:37:04.000Gavin might get his butt handed to him on Truth, and he might actually say, holy crap, California is not doing well in a great many respects.
00:37:11.000He might actually see the truth on Truth.
00:37:22.000You hear the story about these content moderators and feds, that when they go on Facebook and they join these groups, they end up getting radicalized.
00:37:31.000They call it radicalization in the media, but I'm like, perhaps the moderator is seeing real news stories that normally get removed, and they're not getting the filtered narrative anymore.
00:37:51.000Well, what happens if your strategic empathy leads you to be more empathetic to that perspective, and all of a sudden you can't hate, say, Russia or Putin or...
00:37:57.000somebody else around the world, you can't despise them anymore because you've learned to understand them.
00:38:02.000And so we've taught teaching it so that people don't do it.
00:38:05.000And what big tech is trying to do is to not even let you have access to it,
00:38:09.000because once you do, people end up opening their mind to different perspectives.
00:38:12.000Especially over the last... I mean, basically, you look at every Alex Jones conspiracy...
00:38:15.000And I think that's what people forget about the First Amendment.
00:38:18.000over the last five years in some form.
00:38:20.000And so all of a sudden people re-perceive Alex Jones in a whole different light.
00:38:44.000It's actually crazy to think that Silicon Valley executives could determine what you could listen to, what you could be able to think about.
00:39:19.000You know, the thing that kills me though, is I've been in this space for like 20 years and I remember these guys, they're all talking about the free and open internet.
00:39:45.000We try not to, but look, when the lizard people came down and implanted the brain slugs and took over their minds, I'm kidding by the way, but you and I just won't care.
00:39:57.000Well, I mean, I had this discussion with Twitter's lawyers in 2016, because I was suing for Charles Johnson, who has, you know, eclectic history, but against Twitter.
00:40:06.000And Twitter at that point, at least Jack Dorsey, was serious about the very same rules that Rumble's talking about now, putting in those kind of rules.
00:40:12.000Codify the existing law that will protect, you know, there's no First Amendment protection for stalking or defamation or doxing and these things anyway that they were claiming they were worried about.
00:40:50.000And also, you've got to understand, Elon Musk buying Twitter has started people like with the Clintons, the Obamas, and Bill Gates throwing secret money into shadowy funds, attacking Twitter, trying to get advertisers off of the platform.
00:41:22.000Right now. Like, I'm not gonna capitulate to that. I'm more I don't think they capitulated.
00:41:29.000I think they genuinely think they are suppressing freedom of speech to guarantee freedom of speech.
00:41:33.000I think they've actually convinced themselves they need to do this in order to create a platform that's welcoming for everybody.
00:41:39.000If you have an open debate about trans sports activities, it's going to make people feel unsafe to talk, and they need to limit the freedom of speech in order to promote the freedom of speech.
00:41:49.000It's Orwellian lunacy, but I believe they actually believe it.
00:42:36.0002017, Politico's European Union organization says Bill Gates is getting way too much power and influence in the public health world.
00:42:43.000These are public health whistleblowers.
00:42:45.000Then they disown their own piece by 2020 when Alex Jones and others are saying Bill Gates's agenda is going to be reflected in a lot of public health agendas around the world.
00:42:54.000We saw Event 201 become a reality around the globe.
00:42:58.000It's because ultimately there's too many control freaks in positions of power in big tech and stock market.
00:43:04.000And now we have something called the Bill Chill, where a lot of scientists are afraid to even criticize anything associated with Bill Gates or his money or his investments, whether it's fake meat or medical procedures or anything that is tied into his money.
00:43:17.000Bill Gates is known to have a reputation for punishing people, cutting funding, getting rid of money, because his money's in all of the medical community almost, And punishing people for daring to release data or information that goes against his monetary interest.
00:43:31.000It's called the Bill Chill and it should terrify everyone, especially looking at our modern-day scientific community and how easily it could be manipulated by the millions of dollars that he puts into it.
00:43:42.000We're living in an age of basically real-life Bond villains and James Bond is Alex Jones.
00:43:49.000I'm trying to think of a good rhyme with Fauci, because the Bill Gates method is exactly the Fauci method.
00:43:54.000When you control the purse strings of the funding, you'll get people to say what you want.
00:43:59.000And then the doctors that speak out, or whomever else speaks out, They'll get the... Yeah, this is why they're pushing the fake meat.
00:44:05.000The corporate media is saying, this is great.
00:44:18.000And again, it's about just trying to reprogram people to acquiesce, to go along with eating soy and bugs and all this other stuff that is not good for you.
00:44:27.000And people need to really understand the influence that these people have because when the information comes out highlighting how these people were lying, manipulating, and marketing their products through science, when people call it out, we get censored, we get attacked, and then we get downranked in the algorithm, demonetized, and shut off from the internet.
00:44:44.000They're trying to plug everybody into the Matrix, man.
00:44:46.000They can't have you handing out red pills, Luke.
00:45:06.000So before YouTube had demonetization, right?
00:45:09.000So, for those not familiar, you go on YouTube and in the studio, you upload a video and there will be a green dollar sign that means you've got ads.
00:45:15.000If it turns yellow, it means you're limited.
00:45:17.000If it turns red with a line through it, the ads have been removed or can be grayed out and say not eligible.
00:45:21.000Before any of that, it was just a green dollar sign saying ads have been turned on.
00:45:25.000I'm sitting talking to Luke and he's like, what happened?
00:45:27.000He looks at his video and the dollar sign is gone.
00:45:30.000And they asked to go back in the video and turn it on again.
00:45:31.000And it comes back because YouTube didn't actually have actually have a plan for demonetization.
00:45:36.000So, and then there was a loop and manually did it.
00:45:39.000And there was options to not even turn the money on.
00:45:42.000It was, and they got rid of that option.
00:45:43.000I was like, wait, what's going on here?
00:45:50.000And this was before the major wave of them just attacking people's livelihoods and trying to also, this is another underhanded thing that they're doing because they're also incentivizing people to talk about particular issues or have stances on particular issues because they know it's going to give them money.
00:46:05.000They know they're going to be able to monetize content.
00:46:07.000If they say this, they know if they, they counter it, they're going to lose money.
00:46:10.000I just want to point out that from 10 years ago when they were trying to destroy your YouTube channel because you were going up to prominent individuals and questioning them and challenging them, Ben Bernanke several times, you know, was he chair of the Federal Reserve?
00:46:29.000So the way I see it is we keep pushing back, we keep challenging these things, and we're going to keep winning.
00:46:34.000Well, the other thing is, you know that by the subjects that they're targeting, whatever they whatever they tinker with, the algorithm is the unwelcome discussion of the day.
00:46:43.000You know that it's not what they're telling you.
00:46:45.000The January 6th committee hearings, I've been live streaming it in as much as it's been tedious and soul crushing.
00:46:52.000The first one I put up got demonetized.
00:46:54.000You know, as I'm five minutes into the stream, demonetized.
00:47:44.000And it's what I was mentioning earlier about how, you know, they'll censor 60% of the right and only a small portion of the left so that it creates a lopsided narrative where the left gets to say more than the right does, hoping that it skews politics in that direction.
00:47:58.000With demonetization, Left-wing channels get demonetized less than the right does.
00:48:03.000Many people on the right have been banned and booted, sometimes not even warning.
00:48:07.000Restricting the access to funding does the same thing.
00:48:11.000You make sure certain ideas can't survive, but I will tell you this, they are losing They're losing, man.
00:48:16.000That's why I mentioned, you know, Luke, they tried destroying his YouTube channel, and now he's on one of the biggest billboards in Times Square.
00:48:22.000And that's why I wanted to do it, to make that statement, to make that point, because we can.
00:48:27.000Because they're not going to win this one.
00:48:30.000Well, when your gatekeep is so desperate that you have to gatekeep to protect Amber Heard, and you're just discrediting yourself on a constant, continuous basis.
00:48:41.000Uh, though it won't be long before YouTube comes after Latu.
00:48:44.000Because they showed independent information, independently streaming trials, people like Nick Riccato, people like Emily Baker, all that, uh, people like LegalBytes, that whole crowd, that okay, people can come to their own independent conclusions, they don't have to rely on the Washington Post interpretation of events, and it turns out the Washington Post put a liar and a defamer on their front opinion pages for a fake story
00:49:03.000that, and to continue to make Amber Heard the symbol of Me Too,
00:49:06.000if you wanted to destroy Me Too, that's what you would try to do.
00:50:54.000I just want to say what little credibility Taylor Lorenz may have had when out the window when she accused YouTubers of being radicalized for commenting on pop culture.
00:51:22.000I'm sorry, if you want to talk about white nationalists and stuff, talk about radicalization, I'm listening.
00:51:26.000But when you claim that commenting on Johnny Depp was radicalizing, you have been radicalized, I'm just like, A female practicing attorney commenting on a trial is radicalizing.
00:51:39.000She lost credibility a long time ago, but again, USA Today, how are they still certified?
00:51:44.000Taylor Lorenz, how is she still employed or getting contracts?
00:51:48.000Can you imagine being one of these veteran reporters at the Washington Post?
00:51:51.000You know, you're there for 20 years and you're just dreaming of that day that you can be like Woodward and Bernstein and you're going to get that big story.
00:51:59.000And you know, over the past 10 years, past eight years, it's been really kind of, oh, you know, it's just getting weird.
00:52:04.000And then they hire this, this high paid, you know, millennial who just writes garbage, conflict of interest news and nonsense.
00:52:36.000Yeah, we had someone on the show once who said that they weren't familiar with Joe Biden's administration because they were like a young teenager.
00:53:18.000He's a corrupt corporate hack for 30 years, and finally he's being exposed as such.
00:53:23.000We had Dennis Prager on the other day and he was saying that he's not gonna, you know, fault Bill Maher for, you know, for being a liberal but trying and calling things out.
00:54:13.0002, 2022, two sources, former CNN Zucker's girlfriend Allison Gollust, will not be staying on with the network once dust settles, and then he publishes On February 20th, she resigns.
00:54:28.000So he's basically saying he was right then.
00:54:31.000Brian Stelter may be on the way out at CNN.
00:54:33.000I bring him up, along with this Taylor Lorenz story, because, like I mentioned, I'm just gonna say it again, there is a big picture of Luke Rutkowski in the middle of Times Square on one of the biggest billboards.
00:54:43.000How is that for winning and pushing back on the elites and telling them that we are taking these spaces?
00:54:47.000To see these people getting the boot, to see their credibility in the gutter, it's a good day.
00:54:53.000Daily Wire had a story on that article and I think your tweet response to this was in there and I noticed mine was as well because I got a Google alert.
00:55:02.000There's a part of me, I genuinely feel bad for Stelter.
00:56:14.000The stuff I see in the background of what's happening, people from these types of organizations coming to us wanting to go the independent route.
00:56:23.000The world is changing and a lot of these organizations don't see it quite yet.
00:56:27.000But there are some individuals in some of these organizations that do, and they're starting to reach out, and this is something that's gonna, I think, accelerate a lot in the next, you know, six months to a year, especially over the next two, three years.
00:57:27.000The one thing is Chris probably had no idea 10 years ago when you started Rumble.
00:57:32.000You for the next five years are going to be number one target because you're starting something which is going to be the platform for the independent voices who are being snuffed out, pushed out and censored on what had hitherto been the free speech platforms.
00:58:07.000I just typed in Brian Stetler into Brave Search, and one of the articles that comes up is from the New York Post talking about how his Reliable Sources... First of all, why would you name a show like that when you're such a propagandist?
00:58:50.000The people at these big journalist outlets.
00:58:53.000They have no merit, they have no talent, and so they rely on this gigantic foundation of a hundred-year-old institution, or institutions, so that they can be let in the front door, take the elevator to the top, and then scream their garbage opinions at the world.
00:59:08.000For the rest of us that have built up our own followings and done the hard work over time, it's because we've said things that have been insightful, we've challenged, we've been brave, or we've just done the hard work.
00:59:18.000And over a long enough period of time, that results in a following that's merit they could never earn.
00:59:40.000I did a live stream with Nate Brody, another YouTube lawyer of the LawTube, about the Jan 6 hearings.
00:59:45.000And I'm pulling up articles, publications, I don't want to get anyone in trouble on this, but relating to previous reporting by CNN, NPR, about issues with machines.
01:00:13.000To protect the weak and punish the strong.
01:00:16.000Well, the saying goes that any sufficiently unmoderated platform will become right-wing.
01:00:22.000But the idea is that the right probably has a tendency towards meritocracy, because the people who are strong enough to lead end up doing it.
01:00:51.000I appreciate the expression, but I wouldn't say anything left to its own or, you know, free speech tends to turn right-wing.
01:00:56.000I would just say that those who tend to fail on their own merits Try to restrict the rules.
01:01:01.000So nothing changes in the essence except for the Overton's window shifts to the left.
01:01:05.000So what was center looks like it was right wing.
01:01:08.000But no, freedom of speech tends to go right wing not so much.
01:01:12.000It's that those who don't succeed with their speech try to suppress the speech of those who do.
01:01:16.000And I would say in the last like three, four months, you know, we've seen a lot of people on the left, perceived left, come to rumble that you wouldn't typically have thought would have came.
01:01:28.000Like activists, for example, Susan Sarandon tweeting Rumble.
01:01:36.000So you're starting to see this free speech thing happen on all angles now.
01:01:43.000It's not just happening with one defined group, but many different groups.
01:01:48.000Gaming, whatever it may be, any category.
01:01:50.000It's happening across the spectrum and it's getting really aggressive and worse.
01:01:54.000Well, it's why the Young Turks are now being critical of independent left creators.
01:01:59.000They grew up as being the Bernie Sanders, anti-Obama voice of the progressive left that the institutional media wasn't covering.
01:02:06.000Then they transitioned into Trump hatred, and then they transitioned into being sort of corporate establishment media that they themselves used to be critical of, have to rely on donations from corporate and big billionaire sugar daddies on the left.
01:02:18.000And consequently, their support is shrinking and shrinking and shrinking because they're no longer organic or authentic or independent.
01:03:16.000But I mean, Glenn Greenwald, when you call the gay liberal who's very critical of Bolsonaro in Brazil, and the guy who helped break probably more investigative journalistic stories than any individual reporter in the last decade, You call him right-wing, it shows that they have a fallback position.
01:03:31.000They called Fast Company with an article saying, you know, beware right-wing comedy from Joe Rogan to the Babylon Bee.
01:03:57.000I mean, his favorite candidate was between Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard.
01:04:00.000I mean, he's been consistently on the left.
01:04:02.000But I think it's just self-discrediting.
01:04:05.000When you get to the point where you're calling Johnny Depp supporters right-wing, you have lost the narrative and you've lost institutional control.
01:04:12.000When you're at the point where commenting on a Johnny Depp civil case means you're radicalized, you've lost the plot.
01:04:19.000And that's the corporate press at this point.
01:04:21.000There were people on our respective communities, Robert Barnes and I, they didn't care for Johnny Depp because of his anti-Trump statements, you know, and call for violence statements.
01:04:30.000But when it comes to these types of things, the people who are independent thinkers can see beyond their own biases and just come to the conclusions based on the facts.
01:04:38.000And yeah, just anyone who agrees with Johnny Depp, right-wing misogynist, even if they happen to be left-wing women.
01:05:05.000Tim, one thing, this is exclusive to you, released on independent media, not through the typical channels, just to add to the previous stuff.
01:05:37.000The way to describe Rumble, we're a platform that's two different things, both video and cloud now.
01:05:43.000So we're going to be pushing cloud a lot in 2023, but we're a video platform, an open and free video platform that's going to protect the free and open internet as much as possible.
01:05:52.000Truth Social uses Rumble infrastructure.
01:05:58.000Actually, when they opened up the floodgates, when you were able to come on, it was because they moved over to the Rumble Cloud.
01:06:03.000And TimCast.com uses Rumble's infrastructure for our video player on the members-only section of the show, which is Monday through Thursday at 11 p.m.
01:06:11.000But all of the hosting, the entire website is built on your guys' infrastructure because there's got to be... We have to build something that is an alternative to Silicon Valley's monopoly on the space.
01:06:22.000And it has to be resilient to censorship.
01:06:26.000So let's talk about what this move was.
01:06:28.000Trying to make the rules more fair, better.
01:06:31.000And this helps you compete, but it's also better for the people.
01:06:34.000Yeah, so one, this was completely inspired by your show.
01:06:39.000We took a lot of flack with our terms and conditions.
01:06:41.000You put it up there six months ago and I was like, shit, this thing hasn't changed for a long time.
01:06:46.000We went through a time period of eight years when I came on in January where things changed a lot.
01:06:55.000The way we've kind of built our track record over the last eight years is based on terms and conditions where we didn't move the goalposts and we kept really sturdy.
01:07:03.000We didn't change the definitions of certain things and our track record proved to be really good.
01:07:08.000We don't ban for things that don't make sense and we're not doing what YouTube's doing.
01:07:16.000The term said we could ban you anytime we want, for anything we want, however we want.
01:07:21.000We had this conversation, a lot of the rules were very similar to what we see.
01:07:24.000Yeah, with the exception of all, like, the misinformation stuff that YouTube talks about.
01:07:29.000So, Viva and Barnes, you guys, what, you came up with a plan or something, or what happened?
01:07:33.000So it's the same plan that I talked about with Twitter, you know, five years ago.
01:07:36.000And with Twitter it talked about being amenable to, and then backed out at the last minute.
01:07:39.000Which is, you can create a space that protects a free and open internet without being bombarded by trolls and haters and harassers and stalkers and doxxers and defamers.
01:07:48.000You can have something that is a free and open space, free both from censors and free from stalkers.
01:07:58.000You're not supposed to have discriminatory misuse or abuse of a platform.
01:08:01.000Because of Section 230, there hasn't been a lot of U.S.
01:08:03.000litigation, but there are ways in which you can create rules that are a desirable community that maximizes freedom of speech.
01:08:10.000Like right now, you can go to Rumble, and if you want to get independent, free information, like we did an interview with Dinesh D'Souza on 2,000 Mules, we can only do it on Rumble.
01:08:18.000But you can create a space that is free for those kind of discussions, that you can have heterodox opinions, that you can have heretical opinions, and be completely free to share those with your community, and at the same time have rules that are not only consistent with that, but are also open and transparent.
01:08:33.000The other aspect of this was have an appeals process that matters.
01:08:36.000What frustrates a lot of people is that they get suddenly banned without notice, without knowledge, without means of a meaningful appeal.
01:08:42.000Happened to Eric Conley, Unstructured Podcast, and all he does is just interview interesting people.
01:08:48.000So the goal was let's create an appeal process that works and that's manageable.
01:08:52.000And that's where Viva helped create a lot of those because he's been through that process, knows other people that's been through that process.
01:09:26.000There's actually an email set up that they can actually email in their ideas, their suggestions, their comments, make this process as best as possible, and ultimately have a community and content creator jury that will help adjudicate these processes.
01:09:39.000So the goal is let's create something that will work for the entire big tech universe.
01:10:10.000If you post something that's like illegal content, like, you know, child abuse and stuff, it gets nuked.
01:10:15.000If you post something and it's like, maybe that's violence or whatever, it gets sent to a jury of users and then they're asked to vote on it.
01:10:25.000And then I'm not exactly sure how it works, but then they can vote.
01:10:29.000If it does break the rules, all that happens is they put a filter on it that says not safe for work.
01:10:34.000Anything that would instantly have to be removed for like law-breaking and stuff is removed no matter what because that's just law-breaking content.
01:10:41.000But as for the community guidelines, the worst that could happen, I believe, is they just put a filter on it where it blurs the image and then you have to choose to see it.
01:10:49.000So you don't even get banned for posting, you know, hateful stuff or anything like that.
01:10:52.000Yeah, you run into the issue about people posting their own criminality or things along those lines.
01:11:00.000Robert and I have been working with Rumble for these terms for a little while.
01:11:04.000But we don't like Rumble because we're working with them.
01:11:07.000We're working with them because we like them.
01:11:09.000And I knew Rumble since 2014 when I was just posting cat videos type things.
01:11:14.000And they were just a video hosting platform and licensing agency.
01:11:19.000What they're doing now is amazing and important because people are getting shafted left, right, and center on YouTube.
01:11:24.000They're getting soft censored into discussing only the things that YouTube will allow them to.
01:11:28.000We've got to, when we have certain controversial figures on, and those are, by the way, doctors.
01:11:35.000I had to do one interview specifically on Rumble with Dr. Francis Christian because YouTube, I knew it was going to happen on YouTube.
01:11:43.000But other people say, look, I want free speech on the internet.
01:11:46.000That means running around and saying, you know, racial explosive and whatever.
01:11:49.000And that's not what freedom of speech in the meaningful sense on the internet means.
01:11:54.000What it means is that you have objective clear-cut rules that are not going to be weaponized for political and narrative driven purposes.
01:12:01.000So, you know, hashtag learn to code is not going to be tolerable when the left says it, but when the right says it, it's a call to violence banning.
01:12:35.000But the goal is to take what those historic rules have been and apply them to the digital public square and make it as transparent and open as part of the process.
01:12:42.000But people can continue to partake and participate in this.
01:12:45.000If they think there's improvements we can make, that Rumble can make, they're invited to do so.
01:12:49.000This is the beginning of a participatory process to return the Internet to its roots of being open and free.
01:12:57.000And the sort of, call it board review or community review, it works when the community doesn't get radicalized, when it doesn't get filtered down through its own soft censorship.
01:13:08.000And so, you know, people who love the community want to preserve it.
01:13:12.000They're going to preserve it and they're going to preserve it so that they can all speak freely.
01:13:15.000This sounds good, but how does it work?
01:13:17.000How are you going to implement it and put it into action?
01:13:20.000Who's going to be making the calls about what is allowed and what is not?
01:13:25.000So one is the actual rules themselves, to make them open, transparent, easily accessible.
01:13:29.000That's what's being posted, I believe now, already up there.
01:13:31.000Yeah, if you scroll up on the... Because if you break a YouTube rule, YouTube doesn't really tell you which rule you broke, or why, or what you could do for any possible redemption.
01:13:41.000And that goes to the second part of the process.
01:14:21.000Bottom line, you have your clear-cut rules.
01:14:23.000There's automated stuff for copyright trademark.
01:14:27.000Other than that, if a community member, a user, flags something, there's going to be a first review by Rumble.
01:14:33.000And if they determine it's okay, it'll continue.
01:14:36.000There will be flagging for people to avoid brigading, to avoid what I suspect happens a lot on YouTube.
01:14:42.000People don't like your stuff, so they just go randomly and with impunity flag it.
01:14:47.000If people flag too many things that are deemed to be unfair flagging, they'll suffer the consequences.
01:14:52.000It'll create a sense of responsibility.
01:14:55.000Will they be downranked in the algorithm?
01:14:57.000Or how will their account be punished for abusing the system?
01:15:01.000Ultimately suspended and barred if they continue to do it.
01:15:04.000If they just continuously flag and wrongly flag content that Rumble and or the community determines is not flag worthy, they'll get strikes to the point where they'll get suspended or permanently banned.
01:15:30.000If you don't like the rules, That'll be your decision.
01:15:32.000But one thing you can rely on is that they're not going to be politically weaponized to go after one side of the ideological spectrum and immunize the other.
01:15:40.000And you'll be given specific notice on which rule is being alleged to be violated.
01:15:43.000You'll be given an opportunity to respond, an opportunity to respond to Rumble.
01:15:46.000After that, if you don't like it, you can appeal it to the community board.
01:15:50.000The community board is going to be fully publicly disclosed.
01:15:52.000There will be content creators and members that are invested in the idea of Rumble as a free speech platform.
01:16:26.000So one that we're really changing here that I really like is the is the copyright thing.
01:16:30.000We're gonna give everybody an opportunity to take down the video if there's a copyright or challenge it before it's taken down before an actual strike is applied to the channel.
01:16:38.000I'm like on YouTube you can get like a hundred three or four strikes and channels gone.
01:16:42.000So we're gonna give the creator an opportunity to appeal it right away without applying any strikes, give them a 12 to 24 hour period to figure that out.
01:19:44.000And the best thing I could think of is coming to creators that have law degrees and understand free speech better than anyone else to suggest something.
01:19:55.000Is there a political ideology that's off-limits?
01:19:57.000Like, if a group signed up, you'd be like... No.
01:20:02.000I mean, it's designed... If you're making illicit content, so, like, the Klan and the Antifa tends to make illegal content, but there's no ban on the Klan, there's no ban on Antifa, there's no ban on anybody.
01:20:12.000I mean, like, one of... I still think the best measurement for whether a platform is consistent about freedom of speech is, is Alex Jones on that platform.
01:20:20.000Alex Jones has had zero problems on Rumble.
01:20:23.000And even when Senator Scott from Florida came after him because they allowed RT to be on Rumble, Rumble didn't change their position.
01:20:30.000So even when the United States Senator from the state that Rumble is partially located in came after him, they stayed with it.
01:20:36.000So I was only willing to invest my time if Chris was sincere, and Chris was clearly sincere.
01:20:40.000Because I've been passionate about this for more than half a decade.
01:20:43.000I gotta say, I think sincerity is great, but the reality is, this is the market opportunity.
01:20:50.000If you're trying to grow a business, this is how you do it.
01:20:52.000You imagine, take YouTube as a specific example, where they have, as a rule for content, we will deem misinformation, remove, strike, and penalize channels for suggesting anything that runs afoul of what the who is saying right now.
01:21:07.000And bear in mind that the WHO, the World Health Organization, has it, depending on the year, said both A and not A, or both A and B. And so you don't even know what the rule is going to be on the going forward basis.
01:21:21.000Let me tell you, I had a meeting with Google not that long ago, and I said, I advise all young people to start on Rumble because while the audience size certainly is much smaller, your opportunity for growth is much larger.
01:21:35.000You're more likely to find an audience faster and you're less likely to have your business destroyed.
01:23:15.000The trending videos, that's the videos that of course are connected to the biggest businesses that are connected to their Google advertisement businesses and revenue.
01:23:26.000If you're an independent media creator, and I wanted to bring this up with you guys, when you're on YouTube, there's no way the algorithm is going to be playing you any favors unless you have big money.
01:23:35.000That's why Rumble is such a good alternative, as well as the other alternatives out there.
01:23:40.000But who decides what's going to be in the algorithm?
01:23:42.000Last time we talked about let people see what they want to see.
01:23:45.000If they're subscribed to something, let them see it.
01:23:48.000How is the algorithm going to be shaped to what Rumble is going to be showing people?
01:23:54.000How will independent creators fare in that kind of ranking system?
01:23:59.000So the way it is right now, it's just chronological.
01:24:01.000So there, as far as an algorithm goes, it's chronological by time.
01:24:06.000I think the important thing to do, and I think Ian mentioned this last time, is have these algorithms open sourced.
01:24:39.000This is how we were running social media 10-15 years ago.
01:24:43.000But we all went towards these engagement-based algorithms that amplify content based on engagement.
01:24:48.000And that changed everything and changed the games.
01:24:51.000They figured out they can skew things.
01:24:52.000They figured out they could do things.
01:24:54.000I think if you keep it chronological, it's helpful.
01:24:57.000But that doesn't solve the problem for discovery.
01:25:01.000So in order to have discovery of independent creators, you're going to need to provide some kind of algorithm and some kind of mechanism.
01:25:10.000And what we want to do is have that discovery like kind of like in a TikTok format where you can kind of go through and scroll through content and open source that algorithm where that algorithm will be based basically on, you know, how much you like a video, how much you dislike a video, and whether or not you have a preference for that video.
01:25:28.000So we're working on something like that right now because discovery is super important to help find creators and we should have something hopefully by the end of the year.
01:25:38.000It's already launched right now but it doesn't have an algorithm in it.
01:25:45.000And then the other way is through search, is just making sure your search is... we would like to open source that as well, and making sure that when you find something, you understand how you're placed in search.
01:25:55.000You're placed in search right now based on time, the velocity of views, and the context of the video, so the characters, the titles, the descriptions.
01:26:07.000It's very simplistic right now, and if it does become something more complicated, then open sourcing that is, I think, critical.
01:26:14.000But the discovery portion is the part that we all want to solve for because once you nail that and you give viewership to small creators, then you really have something special.
01:26:34.000So RumblePlayer, which is going to be part of this RumbleCloud business that we're building, has open APIs that you can use to search, find, and embed into other platforms.
01:26:56.000I never understood what algorithm is more relevant than like and retention rate.
01:27:02.000No, people watching a video and liking it.
01:27:04.000I can see from a monetary perspective engagement, even if it's negative.
01:27:08.000YouTube had the problem where every video started with a guy screaming smash the like button for 30 seconds and they turned it into a game and then all of a sudden all the top videos were just videos of people saying smash the like button.
01:27:19.000But that'll self-correct when people start downvoting that crap because it's no longer fun to watch anymore.
01:27:58.000The fact that YouTube, I've said it before, Robert will pontificate on this one day, when YouTube takes down videos from doctors on the basis of medical misinformation, I consider that to be practicing medicine without a license that YouTube is doing, arguably unlawful, in my humble opinion.
01:28:18.000I mean, for me, coming from a political space, the Rand-Paul video removal was just mind-boggling.
01:28:23.000And they're giving out wrong medical advice that is leading people to be hurt.
01:28:27.000Their assault on one particular medicine and labeling it an animal medicine has hurt a tremendous amount of human beings who rely on that medicine for other things.
01:28:37.000Remember when with the Roe v. Wade leak, Vice put out an article about how you can take
01:28:43.000animal medication and use it to induce abortion?
01:29:59.000But I mean, when you have people like Dr. Peter McCullough, you're talking about some of the most well-respected medical doctors in the world that are now being censored.
01:30:05.000Like, we're going to do an interview with him.
01:30:06.000We're going to have to do it on Rumble.
01:30:09.000We're going to gleefully do it on Rumble so that I can actually ask the questions I want to ask.
01:30:13.000Same thing with Dr. Francis Christian.
01:30:15.000We talked about this on the Twitter story.
01:30:18.000These Twitter employees are listening to Elon Musk talk, and they're oblivious to the fact that he's there because of them.
01:30:24.000Because of their political bias, because of their incessant need to silence people they don't like, they have created Republican Elon Musk.
01:30:32.000YouTube is doing the exact same thing.
01:31:05.000Well, they've done that to Alex Jones.
01:31:06.000All the efforts to de-platform him have just led more people to be curious about what is he saying that everybody's so scared of him, and has led to more people going to InfoWars, more people going to InfoWars store, more people being engaged than almost ever before.
01:31:19.000Their efforts to sign—and the irony is, I mean, Alex was seriously considering about retirement after 2016.
01:31:24.000He'd achieved extraordinary number of things over a quarter century.
01:31:27.000And then they decide to wage law for it, lawfare against him, and decide to try to take him,
01:32:45.000And they say that it was interfering with the endocrine systems of frogs.
01:32:48.000All that meant was the frogs were becoming deformed or malformed.
01:32:51.000And then Alex in his rant, it says, turn the friggin frogs gay.
01:32:54.000And people people literally believe that he was he was being literal when he said that.
01:32:59.000No, he was just doing an entertaining rant.
01:33:02.000It's much like Trump, that his audience doesn't take him literally, they understand the proverbial reference to it, but his deeper truth that you can't trust institutional people in power, the people who seek power, like Michael Malice's theory, are disproportionately going to be dangerous people and we have to be constantly on the alert for them.
01:33:19.000But I mean, it turned out everything he warned about, you know, that they're going to use a pandemic to help lock down and strip us of our civil liberties.
01:33:47.000Again, that's the beauty of reporting information in lawsuits.
01:33:50.000Going back to Rand Paul, this is public-sourced information.
01:33:52.000So if you are saying something in Congress, if something is said in court, it cannot be the subject of a libel lawsuit or anything else if you're fairly and accurately reporting what was in there.
01:34:01.000And so there's all this information, and yet now we can't even talk about things that are happening in Congress or happening in courts on YouTube.
01:34:08.000That's a level of insanity we've never gotten.
01:34:10.000When the Rand Paul thing happened, I had posted a video.
01:34:14.000It got taken down, and the weird thing about it is the video was still there.
01:34:18.000Someone messaged me, and they're like, hey, your video's gone, Tim.
01:34:20.000And I go into my studio on YouTube, and I look, and I'm like, it's right there.
01:34:23.000and then i hover the mouse over it and the mouse doesn't change you know like
01:34:27.000when you hover over a link it turns into the finger pointing it didn't change i
01:34:30.000couldn't click on anything it was like an image and i was like what and then i
01:34:34.000found the euroxide tweeted or something and i video had been removed and i was
01:34:37.000like they tried making me think that it was still there something like that
01:34:41.000happened it was weird and there's a lot of dirty tricks that we don't even know
01:34:44.000A lot of things happening behind the scenes that we're not even privy to that they're implementing right now that we don't even know about.
01:34:51.000There's medical doctors, there's medical studies that are being censored and banned on big tech social media platforms.
01:34:57.000That's when you know they jumped the shark.
01:34:59.000We're gonna change all that, my friends, and I think we're winning.
01:35:02.000That's why I keep pointing out that Luke's on a billboard in Times Square.
01:35:04.000So is Ian, so is Michael Malice, because I was just like, we gotta put people up on this to give a big middle finger to the establishment.
01:35:10.000But let's go to Super Chats and talk to you guys.
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01:35:28.000John Shaw says, why not genetically engineer dog-sized ants, chip their brains, and use them to build infrastructure like bridges, canals, and underground highways?
01:37:28.000Even in their correction of the story, they then referred to the video that was allegedly removed from YouTube as a COVID video to persist in their... What's the word I'm looking for?
01:37:41.000To persist in their smear against Rumble they have to pretend that the video that I had removed from YouTube but wasn't removed from Rumble was COVID.
01:37:47.000It was the Alex Jones deposition which shows you how idiotic things are on YouTube.
01:40:02.000And when YouTube stopped it for one year, I forget what the reason was.
01:40:05.000We said, nah, I'll tell you the reason.
01:40:07.000It was because if they actually went after what was popular on the platform, they would have been making hate speech or offending the corporate press.
01:41:07.000Camel of the Mojave says, if it's a mainstream platform, it's probably already shoulder-deep and being, uh, shoulder-deep and being puppet, puppeted around by alphabet people or having their finances threatened.
01:41:19.000I think that's the general concern about any platform, and I think it's the concern about Rumble, as they say.
01:41:25.000It's so big it's already controlled opposition or whatever.
01:41:29.000Look, if I ever felt that way, I would not be here now.
01:41:33.000Rumble is walking the walk, and Chris is talking the talk, and taking the flak for it.
01:41:38.000People were saying that about Donald Trump before he got elected, that he was controlled opposition, that he was friends with the Clintons.
01:41:43.000And then look what happened when he actually got in.
01:41:56.000So outside of Toronto, I didn't know a single political person my whole life.
01:42:01.000And I think it's people who believe that the system has so much control that even if they see something successful, they assume that too must be part of some secret control.
01:42:23.000Brennan the American says, thanks for all you do.
01:42:25.000I'm a 27-year-old who has a garden, food storage, and now chickens.
01:42:28.000My wife and I feel slightly more ready for the storm to come.
01:42:31.000You know, the former CEO of Home Depot came out today and said with the Fed hiking the rates, you better stock up on some cash.
01:42:38.000You better get some cash reserves and you better get some non-perishables because it is going to get bad.
01:42:42.000And seeing that and seeing reports of the constant, you know, stories about food shortages due to Ukraine, fertilizer, and all that stuff, plus the supply chain disruption, I mean, my assumption is, hope you're ready for August and September.
01:43:20.000I mean, Jacob Drazen, who's actually nearby, put out the report six months ago that this was going to happen if we went into Ukraine, that there was going to be a fertilizer and food crisis.
01:43:39.000All these guys, independent information, you would have known this ahead of time.
01:43:42.000It's only the Biden administration that appears to Ukraine is known as the breadbasket of Europe, and I've been talking about that for years.
01:45:08.000That's going to fit into a lot of jokes in Canada as to, like, nothing can be more American than a bag of red, white, and blue gummy bears.
01:45:35.000says, I think Canada wants to be like Norway, where it's illegal to defend yourself.
01:45:39.000If you hurt someone in self-defense, you will be punished the same as if you initiated the attack.
01:45:43.000I'm not sure about the second part of that, but one thing I can definitively tell you, you cannot own anything that is to be used specifically for self-defense.
01:45:51.000You're not allowed owning a firearm if the purpose of that is for self-defense, unless you get a specific license.
01:45:56.000Walk around with a baseball bat, no glove and a ball, and use it for self-defense, you'll probably get charged.
01:46:01.000What if you have a sporting rifle of some sort?
01:46:04.000Maybe you got a rifle for sport shooting, and someone breaks in your house and you defend yourself with it.
01:46:09.000So my understanding is that it will be bona fide self-defense, but you probably will face other unrelated gun charges.
01:46:15.000It'll be like... In New York City, people are charged like that for defending themselves.
01:46:19.000Fine, you're off on murder, but it'll be reckless discharge of a firearm or pointing it at a human.
01:46:24.000It'll be like what happened with the lady in Sweden or Switzerland, I think it was Sweden, who used either pepper spray or a taser to fend off an actual physical assaulter.
01:46:34.000She got fined for unlawful possession of a taser.
01:46:39.000But leave it to Justin Trudeau to revive a debate that had hitherto been relatively quiet when he comes out a week ago and says, in Canada we have a different culture.
01:47:01.000We have a Charter of Rights that says you have the right to life, liberty, and security of the person, but you cannot guarantee for yourself your right to life, liberty, or the security of the person.
01:47:08.000People are going to start asking questions.
01:47:10.000If a man breaks into your home, just get on your knees and beg him not to harm you.
01:48:10.000Yeah, it's a great family-friendly place, and a lot of great people there fighting for freedom, fighting for personal responsibility, and working on a lot of really cool things.
01:48:20.000If you want to live in a place with community and strong familial bonds and the right to teach your child to use a flamethrower, then New Hampshire is the place to be.
01:49:29.000This is why Netflix, Tinder, and all these other platforms don't let you buy things on the app stores, because the app stores take a big percentage of money away.
01:49:38.000And only Android and Apple are allowing the app stores to be there, and they take a huge cut.
01:49:43.000There has been some good victories in the court that are leading to that game.
01:49:49.000Yeah, when there's a big class action that was just recently.
01:49:51.000So I don't think this is gonna last for too long, but we can't wait to put that in when we can.
01:49:56.000But like, how can you be competitive if YouTube's charging 30% and they own Android, they don't have to give a shit.
01:50:03.000Howard says, anyone buying Bitcoin right now?
01:50:15.000If you're buying it for short-term speculative purposes, that's high risk.
01:50:17.000But if you're buying it as an alternative currency to have to fight the Fed and to fight the central banks, then it's a good idea, I still think.
01:50:23.000I'm not selling, you know, it's funny because someone tweeted at me, they're like, not talking about Bitcoin now, are you?
01:50:27.000And I'm like, I've talked about Bitcoin like basically every day because the crash happened.
01:50:30.000I mean, it's just, it's talking about the same as I normally do.
01:50:38.000I mean, George Gammon, who's really good in the economic space, has been saying forever it's going to go up and down, but buy it for long-term value if you're looking at it from a speculative value, but really buy it because it gives you an alternative security.
01:50:48.000I call it sort of plan B. You know, it's heat.
01:50:51.000You know, have something in your life that you can walk out on in 15 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner from the movie Heat.
01:50:57.000You should be prepared if the system comes knocking on your door that you can exit when and where and how you want, and part of that is going to be Bitcoin.
01:51:03.000You can't be completely dependent on the U.S.
01:51:05.000banking system if you want to be secure.
01:52:09.000All that I know is I've been paying a lot of tax, and it's a fortunate thing to be able to pay tax, but my goodness, you didn't realize you were working for the government 50% of the time.
01:52:20.000Yeah, well it's 40 some odd percent, then you got your property tax, then you got your sales tax, then you got your license, then you got all these incidentals.
01:52:28.000You're paying, for every dollar you make, you're paying more than 50 cents to the government if you make over a certain amount.
01:53:21.000Sweet Lou says, we say channels on the right, but that includes all of the middle of the road truth seekers that get bundled in his right wing because they don't toe the line of leftists.
01:53:32.000Like we had Dennis Prager on and he's talking about how he's a liberal, but he's a conservative because he talks about facts and reason and logic and things like and morality.
01:53:39.000I mean, Viva was a YouTube video award winner before he came out.
01:53:44.000I got the Shorty Social Good Award back in the day.
01:54:20.000Dylan Sharps is on the topic of censorship and having two Canadians in the house.
01:54:24.000Can we get their thoughts on Bill C-11 and how it'll change media and how it could be a template for blue states to follow?
01:54:31.000It's a template to turn Canada into a China or North Korea.
01:54:34.000The Bill C-11, in the absolute nuttiest of nutshells, is regulating the internet the way the government already regulates television and radio.
01:54:43.000So they want to subject They said initially streaming and like big platforms online to be governed by the Canada Broadcast Act which imposes Canadian content requirements, fines if you don't comply with it.
01:54:55.000They want to impose that on the internet to force YouTube and social media to suppress or promote content based on its Canadian content criteria.
01:55:05.000It is nothing other than a disguised attempt to re-establish a flailing legacy media on a platform where they are getting crushed by others based on their merit.
01:56:07.000Tim Hortons was the famous hockey player who died in a drunk driving car accident.
01:56:10.000Most people don't know that, but it became a chain.
01:56:13.000And the Tim Hortons, no apostrophe on it, also another part of Canadian heritage because French laws in Quebec don't allow, or didn't allow at the time, the apostrophe.
01:56:21.000And so Tim Hortons didn't want to have to have two brandings, so they just eliminated the apostrophe.
01:57:55.000So one of the things that we're really focused on right now is obviously the growth of the users and in the future, revenue.
01:58:02.000But I can definitely say the audience that's on Rumble converts for advertisers at a pace that I've never seen before.
01:58:12.000Prior to this conservative audience coming onto Rumble, like pre-2020, our CPMs with advertisers were significantly lower.
01:58:21.000And now the audience that we're having right now, we have sponsors coming to us that are saying that we're converting at a rate that is so significantly higher than what they're seeing on other platforms that they are renewing and spending at a rate that, you know, we haven't seen before.
01:58:39.000Actually, I know that not to be true, is that the revenue model on Rumble is actually going to far exceed, I think, what people are anticipating because the audience there buys.
01:59:20.000This week alone, the orders that we're seeing on the ad side was just mind-blowing of how happy the advertisers are and how much it's converting on an ROI basis.
01:59:34.000And they're getting immediate ROI when buying on Rumble.
01:59:37.000When we launch Rumble ads, both on display, the video, and sponsorships on our platform, which is in beta right now, we've actually started letting people in in the last week for the first time.
01:59:48.000I think we're going to see some... I already can see that we're seeing some incredible results.
01:59:55.000Well, I can see places like YouTube struggling because, I mean, they put Tyson food ads on our stuff.
01:59:59.000And I have a Tennessee blood oath against Tyson food.
02:00:02.000So there's nobody that's watching us that's buying Tyson foods.
02:00:06.000But because I mention it frequently, they're frequently the advertising on YouTube.
02:00:29.000I was going to say, CPM, just for anyone who doesn't know, cost per mil, which is the amount per thousand views, and ROI, return on investment.
02:00:37.000When Bloomberg was dumping money into YouTube ads, I kept getting comments from people being like, hey, I got a Bloomberg ad.
02:00:49.000Bloomberg wants to put ads on videos critical of him so that he can get his message in front of it.
02:00:55.000I end up getting money knowing my audience would never vote for the guy, so thanks for the money, I guess.
02:01:00.000Yeah, and I think it's because there's aspects to which this system, because going back to your original point, that what Rumble is doing by becoming the free space on the internet is ultimately a money winner, is what counters all of this, and it's because YouTube's decision is a money loser over time.
02:01:16.000Suppressing and censoring speech is not a desirable outcome for its audience.
02:01:22.000And we're, we're seeing it like the, they've given away their, uh, incredibly high value audience and it's, and it's growing and the purchase power is there.
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02:02:20.000No, other than the Locals thing, just a shout out to the people that they ask questions about.
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