In this episode, we talk about the latest in the war on information, censorship, and disinformation. We're joined by the CEO of Rumble, Chris Pavlosky, to talk about his mission of freeing the public from censorship.
00:00:34.000Because if this assessment is correct, it's confirmed a lot of what the quote-unquote conspiracy theorists have said, and I will also point out that it'll basically get a...
00:00:42.000Well, I'll be very careful about high-phrase things, but YouTube might not be too happy with what the assessment is.
00:00:48.000So we will be careful, and I'll try to be as responsible as possible in the assessment of this information, but it's huge.
00:00:53.000This is information proving Dr. Fauci lied?
00:00:56.000Well, assuming one of these documents is correct, Fauci did lie.
00:00:59.000Assuming the documents that were previously released by The Intercept shows Fauci did lie.
00:01:06.000And then he appeared in front of Congress again today and made one of the most hilarious mistakes
00:01:10.000of holding up a piece of paper on TV, which is now on the internet. And this is going to be
00:01:15.000crazy stuff. So we got that talk about Fauci was caught on a hot mic, apparently insulting one of
00:01:20.000the senators. We've got another crazy story. The US Army is going to be conducting drills,
00:01:24.000training special forces and overthrowing illegitimate governments and quote unquote freedom
00:01:30.000This comes around the same time the DOJ is establishing a counter domestic terror unit and the Financial Times says it's time to implement psychological operations against those who spread misinformation.
00:03:18.000This should be a great conversation thank you so ... much for coming here and I think it's fair to say that the ... official story is definitely breaking and people are ... realizing that you cannot comply your way out of tyranny ... just an important message that I wanted to remind ... everyone and if you want to remind your local Karen's and ... Kyle's out there at the local supermarkets of that same ... message you can very easily by getting the shirt that says ... you not you cannot comply your way out of tyranny which ... could get on the best political shirts.com because you do I'm here thanks for having me.
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00:06:00.000The clacking knees of the YouTube ban agents or moderators with their fingers over the ban button shaking, saying, say the wrong thing, we're gonna ban your show.
00:06:11.000Because we're about to talk about something big.
00:06:13.000Project Veritas reports military documents about gain of function contradict Fauci testimony under oath.
00:06:20.000Military documents state that EcoHealth Alliance approached DARPA in March 2018 seeking funding to conduct gain-of-function research of bat-borne coronaviruses.
00:06:29.000The proposal, named Project Diffuse, was rejected by DARPA over safety concerns and the notion that it violates the gain-of-function research moratorium.
00:06:37.000The main report regarding the EcoHealth Alliance proposal leaked on the internet a couple months ago.
00:06:45.000Project Veritas has obtained a separate report to the Inspector General of the Department of Defense, written by U.S.
00:06:51.000Marine Corps Major Joseph Murphy, a former DARPA fellow.
00:06:55.000The proposal does not mention or assess potential risks of gain-of-function research, a direct quote from the DARPA rejection letter.
00:07:02.000Project Veritas reached out to DARPA for comment regarding the hidden documents and spoke with the Chief of Communications, Jared Adams, who said, quote, it doesn't sound normal to me when asked about the way the documents were buried.
00:07:15.000Now I want to say a few things before we get started.
00:07:18.000Very simply, consult your doctor and don't take any of this as medical advice.
00:07:22.000We're not here to provide that, and take it all with a grain of salt.
00:07:26.000I've seen a lot of people jump on this and say, I see two things.
00:07:30.000One, the left saying, you can't trust Project Veritas, their information is no good, and therefore it's bad.
00:07:37.000I see people on the right saying, this is definitive proof, it's finally what we're looking for.
00:07:40.000Let me just state, This reporting by Veritas.
00:07:46.000Veritas didn't just come out and release a letter from a Marine Corps major assessing certain information and then trying to claim it's true.
00:07:55.000They actually got corroborating evidence of an intercept story.
00:08:28.000It is his analysis of undisclosed documents.
00:08:31.000Trust them if you want to trust them or don't.
00:08:33.000I think it's very important to make sure that you take into consideration it's not someone involved in the projects admitting to anything.
00:08:42.000It's someone who had been at DARPA saying, I read these documents and here's my analysis.
00:08:48.000That being said, I don't know, Luke, if you want to start bringing up some of these points that you thought were most alarming.
00:08:52.000Yeah I mean if these documents are true I mean ... there's a lot of big implications here because this ... shows how echo health Alliance was seeking DARPA funding in ... specific gain-of-function research related to bat ... coronaviruses they called this project diffuse and ... allegedly according to these documents this was rejected ... by DARPA in 2018 because of safety concerns and it would ... violate a lot of of course.
00:09:18.000The protections that are in the United States that don't ... allow this kind of dangerous work which could lead to some ... very serious ramifications what did the NID do with the ... Echo Health Alliance do after this they just simply said ... well there's no regulations and safety concerns in China ... where the Chinese government gets to do whatever they want ... as long as they oversee every step of the process.
00:09:39.000And essentially I think it's fair to assume now that they ... took this very dangerous work which allegedly according to ... these documents DARPA didn't want to do because it was too ... dangerous it was too unsafe and just did they just did it in ... China which proved that there was some warning some hindsight ... here that that should be of course known about that should ... be talked about there was also us senator Rand Paul questioning ...
00:10:01.000Dr. Fauci about a lot of this there's also the GOP oversight committee releasing the emails and the communications with NIAD specifically showing how Dr. Fauci is being accused of concealing about a lot of the origin of the story coming from that Wuhan laboratory with where this dangerous function studies were being sent to and downplaying this lab leak theory.
00:10:25.000It was Peter Navarro who was on the show, and he said that at the time they were having these meetings about COVID and this potential pandemic, Fauci was there and did not disclose to them the things he had known about gain of function, about EcoHealth Alliance.
00:10:39.000And even if they didn't believe the lab leak theory or hypothesis or whatever, don't you think Fauci should have told the Trump administration, hey, there's something we considered, and it's this, that it may have come from this lab.
00:10:51.000You would think that if that administrative state answered to the executive branch, which apparently I'm learning in my adult years that it doesn't necessarily play second fiddle to the executive branch.
00:11:04.000What I'm saying is the administrative state, these people that have been there for 40 years, Fauci, been in that job for 40 years, he doesn't answer to Joe Biden.
00:11:14.000Highest paid government employee, right?
00:11:19.000Yep, that's a huge amount of money, especially for a government worker.
00:11:23.000I gotta read a portion of this analysis, because I'm not gonna... Look, I understand that this can be considered contentious, so I'm gonna read this portion from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency document, from Commandant of the Marine Corps Fellow at DARPA to the Inspector General, subject SARS-CoV-2 Origins Investigation with the U.S.
00:11:46.000That right there is very important to consider.
00:11:48.000This is somebody who worked at DARPA, who read the following documents, and is providing his analysis.
00:11:54.000But his analysis is absolutely insane, okay?
00:11:58.000And you can take that any direction you want.
00:12:00.000Someone on the left is gonna be like, this dude's out of his mind, and people on the right are gonna be like, yo, this is crazy!
00:12:05.000In the more colloquial sense, he says, You ready for this?
00:12:09.000SARS-CoV-2 is an American-created recombinant bat vaccine, or its precursor virus.
00:12:17.000It was created by an EcoHealth Alliance program at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, as suggested by the reporting surrounding the lab leak hypothesis.
00:12:26.000The details of this program have been concealed since the pandemic began.
00:12:30.000These details can be found in the EcoHealth Alliance proposal response to the DARPA preempt program broad agency announcement dated March 2018, a document not yet publicly disclosed.
00:12:41.000The contents of the proposed program are extremely detailed.
00:12:45.000Peter Daszak lays out step by step what the organization intends to do by phase and by location.
00:12:50.000The primary scientists involved, their roles, and their institutions are indicated.
00:12:54.000The funding plan for the WIV work is its own document.
00:12:58.000The reasons why non-pharmaceutical interventions like masks and medical countermeasures like mRNA vaccines do not work well can be extrapolated from the details.
00:13:06.000The reasons why the early treatment protocols work as curatives are apparent.
00:13:11.000Now that is where You started to get into danger zone territory, but let me just I want to make sure it's very clear This is this is a major at DARPA Giving his assessment of these documents now.
00:13:23.000I mean, this is a guy who's privy to information That was not publicly disclosed talking about what he thinks about it that being said Take it with a grain of salt.
00:13:32.000You've got to decide for you what you think is is, you know what's trustworthy and what's not and I will very much add As it pertains to what he's saying, that is the opinion of this major, not the show.
00:13:43.000It is not medical advice, and always consult a trusted medical professional on your medical decisions and what needs to happen for you.
00:13:51.000And I'll just keep it, you know, I'll leave it there.
00:13:53.000Yeah, I mean this is his assessment after looking at some of the classified information that the public is not privy to.
00:13:58.000I think right now the conversation has been started, and for the government to clear everything up here, To have some transparency and accountability, they should release these documents immediately so they could set the record straight, specifically so we know exactly what's going on here.
00:14:20.000You know, I don't think, I think Project Veritas has released the other defused documents, which is corroborating reporting we got a few months ago.
00:15:07.000We know that there were attempts to provide false documents to WikiLeaks in the past.
00:15:12.000Tricking them into publishing them so they could then say, aha, look, WikiLeaks publishes false information.
00:15:18.000But I also want to point out, could it be that this major read the same news sources or watched Tucker Carlson and then wrote a report based on what he saw in the news?
00:15:38.000The lab leak hypothesis as reported or whatever he says, right?
00:15:41.000So you think it might be partisan, like, political?
00:15:43.000They're trying to... Not necessarily political, but, you know, his view... It's tough.
00:15:49.000Out of sight, out of mind, and the opposite, right?
00:15:52.000If people don't hear something in the news, they don't talk about it.
00:15:55.000If people do hear in the news, they talk about it.
00:15:57.000I'm just saying it's possible that this guy may have just... It may sound like a bit on the nose, because maybe he's getting... For all we know, this guy watches this show.
00:16:06.000And then he's like, wow, that's crazy.
00:16:09.000He reads the document, says, yep, I see it.
00:16:10.000And then we then end up reading it being like, aha.
00:16:12.000And it's just confirming, you know, what we, what we already believe.
00:16:16.000Well, I agree with you on the timing of this.
00:16:17.000This does seem a little bit suspicious to me because all of this, all of these Jake Tapper is starting to agree with these crazy right wing conspiracies.
00:16:25.000They're admitting that like the menstrual changes that women were reporting that they said was nonsense.
00:16:30.000All this is happening at the same time.
00:16:34.000We've got NPR saying, yes, actually the vaccines do alter your menstrual cycle, something women had been saying for the past couple of years that was deemed a conspiracy theory.
00:16:44.000Then you get Jake Tapper outraged that COVID hospitalizations are inflated by some 40%.
00:16:50.000Then we get this document basically giving an expert confirmation or an expert analysis, which lends itself to lab leak hypothesis.
00:17:01.000I don't want to outright say it's discredited.
00:17:04.000Numbers would have been inflated by 60% if 40% of the total had been inflated.
00:17:10.000That means when you have 60% as your full amount, to get to 100, you're gonna have to increase it by 40, which is 60% of 60, thereabout.
00:17:19.000So it's actually inflating the number by, it's a little, not necessarily kind of a derailment, but they inflated the numbers by 60% to get to a place where it says that 40% of them uh didn't had had comorbidities and well so this is basically no no the inflation was when they said that people with covid instead of from covid yeah that was new york state announcing that with the governor officially saying that there was a really funny tweet i retweeted someone said is is american democracy dying with covid or from covid and i was like that's actually that was a really really good one yeah
00:17:51.000But yeah, in this instance with Jake Tapper, the issue is someone bumps their head, goes to the hospital, they say, we're going to test you for COVID.
00:17:59.000When I had COVID and I called the local hospital, I was like, what's the protocol?
00:19:26.000Fauci is, again, sort of a conduit and a middle player to a lot of other bigger players and also has a lot of communications with other individuals that are named to Mr. Gates.
00:19:35.000But that's a whole different story to say itself.
00:19:37.000But I think the question is, is this a PSYOP is an important one, especially when we're having so much information come out.
00:19:43.000I think we're at a very important turning point.
00:19:46.000I think a lot of things are going to change within the next month, within the next two months.
00:21:05.000Enclosed, reveal that Dr. Fauci warned of two things.
00:21:09.000The potential that COVID-19 leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology and two, the possibility that the virus was intentionally genetically manipulated.
00:21:16.000It is imperative we investigate if this information was conveyed to the rest of the government and whether the information would have changed the U.S.
00:21:52.000That they believed it was possible that the lab leak happened.
00:21:55.000I think at this point, we may not have an official from the Wuhan lab, because you never will because it's China, coming out and definitively saying, yes, it happened.
00:22:04.000But I think when Jon Stewart rants on Colbert's show that there's no other reasonable explanation, then we're already at that point, right?
00:24:25.000When Dr. Fauci is on the corporate media, which he loves to be on, he always gets softball questions, he always gets massage, he always gets, Fauci, why are you so great and awesome and super incredible and helping save the world?
00:24:37.000That's literally the type of questions that he's asked.
00:24:40.000And they answer questions for him too.
00:24:42.000They'll say things like, I was curious your position on the virus because a bunch of right-wing channels were lying by saying X, Y, and Z, and of course we know A, B, and C. So, Would you like to reiterate what I just said, Dr. Fauci?
00:25:05.000And I think it's pretty clear from everyone watching that Dr. Fauci doesn't have an argument here.
00:25:10.000And he's definitely on the wrong side of the larger debate that's unfolding right now with what a lot of people are thinking.
00:25:17.000and we're afraid to express but now it's finally coming out to the limelight as of course everything that's being exposed right now the supposed conspiracy theorists were literally saying from the very beginning of this they were censored on big tech social media they were denied having a voice in this conversation and now those conspiracy theorists were really just spoiler alerts as of course everything's coming true so in my 1 p.m segment i opened with a princess bride reference i love that it actually it actually was hard for me to get right i had to try recording like 10 times I opened with, Fauci fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is never get involved in a land war in Asia, and only slightly less well known is never hold up a piece of paper on television because you will become a meme.
00:26:03.000You see, I couldn't even do it right now, after all that practicing.
00:26:06.000But that's actually one of the funniest takeaways from that moment.
00:26:10.000Fauci actually picked up a piece of paper, which I will not do, and it said, it's a picture of him, and it says, fire Fauci, and he's pointing at it angrily, and I'm like, yes, we agree, Fauci, thank you for this pantomime of what we all should do.
00:26:25.000But it was funny too, because it was Rand Paul's website.
00:26:41.000But what I love about Fauci's responses to Rand Paul Is the way I describe it is he's like Rand Paul goes, Dr. Fauci, you were engaging in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute through funding EcoHealth Alliance.
00:26:56.000And Fauci will be like, no, we did not.
00:26:59.000The example I give is like, Fauci's explanation is, Rand Paul says, you put a door in my bedroom.
00:27:08.000It's just a large piece of wood on hinges with a knob that when you turn, moves a piece of metal, which allows you to open on the hinges and enter the room.
00:27:16.000And you're like, bro, you're describing a door to me.
00:27:18.000That's how he does the gain of function.
00:27:34.000Subpoenaed, questioned thoroughly, released all the documents, released all the studies that he's done, and when you truly find out what he's been responsible for, there's no going back to the official narrative that he has set on the American people because you learn about things like Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
00:27:51.000in his book, The Real Anthony Fauci, talking about how People were horribly affected by his studies, whether it was orphans, whether it was monkeys, whether it was beagle puppies.
00:28:02.000There's a long trail of just horrible misdoings by this man.
00:28:08.000And I think it's more than time than ever that we hold them responsible for all those.
00:31:26.000And so now you have, for the Financial Times, psychological operations are a crucial weapon in the war against disinformation.
00:31:32.000But far be it from us to claim that there's manipulation and hypnosis and propaganda.
00:31:39.000You know what the craziest thing to me is?
00:31:41.000When I would explain to people, there's a field of hacking, hacker culture, called social engineering.
00:31:46.000The overwhelming majority of hacking that you hear in the news is actually just social engineering.
00:31:52.000Someone's not typing away code and there's like, you know, smiling, laughing faces appearing on the screen, eating the numbers, like ridiculous graphics.
00:31:59.000Hacking is almost always, some guy picking up a phone, Calling the bank and being like, hi, I'm John the branch manager.
00:32:06.000It's you know at bank number three nine four two I'm looking for your IRS, you know a verification number and just tricking people.
00:32:13.000That's what hacking tends to be This, when I try to explain to people this, they always just say, oh, that would never work on me.
00:32:21.000If it wouldn't, then why does it exist?
00:32:24.000If you can't be manipulated, why does Coke spend so much money buying advertisements?
00:32:28.000So when they come out and say mass formation psychosis, of course it's a real thing.
00:32:32.000Of course people are trying to manipulate you every day.
00:32:35.000Now, the Financial Times is advocating for psychological operations over COVID misinformation.
00:32:40.000Which brings me to what we have to deal with.
00:32:42.000The censorship, which is a prime component of this, making sure people can't share ideas.
00:32:48.000Sometimes the ideas are so dangerous, they'll shut off a live stream midstream.
00:32:52.000They'll ban a channel outright with no strikes because the information can't be allowed.
00:32:56.000Well, sometimes it's not even that they're dangerous.
00:32:58.000It's just that they're misinterpreted, which is a problem, that there's a human that's capable of misinterpreting a message and then banning it.
00:33:05.000But this is different this is army psychological ... operations literally using the power of information denying ... information lying about information making up ... information in order to have political games this is ... psychological warfare against the American people ... that the Financial Times is calling to be instituted here ... in the United States and they use Sweden as the perfect ... example cousin Sweden they have the sweetest ... psychological defense agency that could be more of an ...
00:33:34.000But they are out there not only to monitor what's ... happening online not just the political discussions but they ... also are there to launch counterattacks against their ... believed falsehoods about vaccines immigration and other ... very important issues so they also talked about in this ... article how they they use this psychological operation to ... deal with political tensions in Europe.
00:33:59.000So this is an important distinction to understand here.
00:34:01.000Financial Times is saying Sweden's doing this.
00:34:04.000We already do this here in the United States.
00:34:06.000A lot of this is classified, and I think a lot of this is very evident when you see the same kind of regurgitated talking points, the same kind of narrative, and anything questioning getting outright censored and banned.
00:34:17.000There's also, of course, people planting fake stories and fake Disinformation in order to throw people off the original trail.
00:34:25.000There's a lot of things happening here.
00:34:26.000And I think once you Institute psychological tricks by the US Army to push an agenda that only clearly benefit to the billionaire class, the billionaires are making more money than ever.
00:34:38.000This is something that is absolutely concerning.
00:34:40.000This is something that is absolutely worrying.
00:34:41.000And this is something that we need to realize is happening here in the United States on a huge level already.
00:34:47.000This is what we see with the banning of the Hunter Biden laptop story on Twitter and Facebook.
00:34:52.000And so sitting before us, we got we got two people.
00:34:56.000Well, we got the CEO of Rumble and you guys are, is it fair to say you're anti-censorship on Rumble?
00:35:12.000And we have policies that have been in place since 2013.
00:35:17.000And we haven't really, we haven't moved the goalposts since that time.
00:35:20.000Obviously, you know, terrorist organizations, promoting terrorist organizations, incitement to violence, child pornography, pornography, all that stuff's not acceptable on the platform.
00:35:32.000But what we're seeing here right now and kind of why you've seen companies like Rumble grow is not because of the terms and conditions that we put together in 2013.
00:35:42.000That really has no effect on what has happened.
00:35:46.000What you're seeing is that these companies, whether it's Google or whether it's Twitter, are now becoming arbiters of truth.
00:35:54.000They're being asked or they're being forced or they're being demanded by, whether it's journalists or governments, to basically determine what's good and what's not good.
00:36:22.000You want the CEO of YouTube to be that person that determines what is right and what is wrong?
00:36:29.000Well, they're scared of losing advertisers, I think, is a big component.
00:36:32.000I do think that there is absolutely a national defense component.
00:36:36.000We've heard tons of stories about, you know, federal agencies going to tech firms and saying, you have to do what we tell you, and if you tell anyone we told you to do this, we will destroy you.
00:37:18.000Position what interesting it was a if it's legal in the United States, then it's legal fine on mines It's part of the terms and that meant like state law like what state were we incorporated and I think at the time was Connecticut So it's Connecticut state law, but then you'd get these things like lolliporn Which is like cartoon porn and the people look young and they look under 18, but it's cartoons.
00:37:36.000So there's no human There's no it's not illegal, but it's devastating to smear a website with that stuff.
00:37:42.000So you're like well We have to do something about this.
00:37:45.000And so there's this clause, you can ban anything at any time.
00:37:47.000I mean, pretty much any network can ban anybody at any time.
00:38:43.000And that's the craziest thing, that we have to do that.
00:38:46.000And interestingly on iTunes and Spotify and other platforms, they're actually much more lax.
00:38:51.000Spotify's actually fairly strict, because they've got internal people who will ban you, and there's no appeal process worse than YouTube.
00:38:58.000But iTunes just goes, hey look, we don't host any of the content, we're just linking to it.
00:39:03.000Yeah, I think that's Google Podcasts' position as well, I believe.
00:39:06.000And if someone violates the law, the state should get involved here, not, of course, the arbiters of truth, a middle person that's going to say, well, this idea is bad for you.
00:39:16.000That whole concept is patronizing, and it's very disrespectful to anyone paying attention, in my opinion.
00:39:22.000There's like situations where the law is bad and you want to, you know, not necessarily, well, Nazi Germany, for instance.
00:39:29.000Well, I'm just talking about like death threats and the free speech laws that we have on the books.
00:39:32.000If, for instance, a law got passed that was so insidious and we're like, well, we have to violate that law because that's corrupt, we can't follow that.
00:39:38.000It's hard to make a social network the one that's like, we're going to uphold that and let people do, and we're going to let people violate the law because then it's easy to find out where they live.
00:39:50.000I'm very nervous about centralization of authority, holding data on a centralized network of any kind, whether it's email addresses, search history, because the NSA can just go take it.
00:41:27.000The important question here is there are a lot of people signing up on Rumble right now.
00:41:31.000You know, we're talking about psychological operations.
00:41:33.000We're talking about whether companies are willing to break the law.
00:41:36.000Obviously, you know, Luke is saying if it's legal content, it should be allowed.
00:41:40.000But where you're at right now in Canada, I mean, have you been forced to ban anybody on hate speech or anything like that by the government or any No institutions come to us with respect to that, but I can tell you that, you know, the legislation that is going to come, that I think is even more concerning, is Bill C-10 in Canada, where they want to have the government actually regulate what kind of content you are displaying through the CRTC.
00:42:13.000And think about that, they're going to control what you see now.
00:42:17.000Whatever that may look like, it's in full progress if that passes.
00:42:22.000And then there's other legislation that's being proposed now.
00:42:26.000We haven't seen it, but that could happen in the next year as the Trudeau government is continuing.
00:42:33.000You know, the best thing for Rumble is just, at this point, is to be prepared for that situation.
00:42:39.000You know, we'll be in Florida by this year.
00:42:42.000So if I could just ask you on a follow-up question, if you're in Canada right now, the Canadian government says, take this content down, you will.
00:42:49.000But if you move down to Florida, right, and you incorporate there, and the Canadian government says, I want you to hide this video from our viewers, will you get rid of those videos when you're not in their jurisdiction?
00:42:59.000So jurisdictional issues is a whole different thing because you have the UK that has one set of laws.
00:43:04.000You have Canada that has another set of laws.
00:43:05.000You have the US that has their set of laws.
00:43:08.000And we have to find a way to meet the laws of every country.
00:43:12.000And this gets so complicated when you think about it.
00:43:15.000As a startup, imagine a startup having to have lawyers help you in every single jurisdiction.
00:43:34.000It's so complicated and it makes it so hard.
00:43:37.000But we're lucky that we're in a really good place right now where we have a pretty good team and we're gonna follow each jurisdiction the way it needs to be done.
00:43:46.000So if Canada says, get rid of this video and you're in Florida, you will?
00:43:51.000Like, I have to look at the situation and the scenario.
00:43:54.000I can't, you know, anecdotally say... Let's just say someone misgendered someone on a Rumble video.
00:43:59.000The Canadian government says, we want you to take that down.
00:44:47.000We want to bring guys like Robert Barnes and Viva Frey to help us develop this in a way that stays in the spirit of free speech as much as possible and really be able to handle these jurisdictional issues that are there, these app store issues that are there.
00:45:02.000We want to do it in a way that It's almost better if the community helps us develop this than one single authority like myself saying, this is how we're going to do it and this is the best way.
00:45:55.000When you look at the double standard, and that's totally unfair.
00:45:59.000How are we supposed to compete as a company if Mines can't...
00:46:02.000You know, get the same rule set that Twitter's getting or Facebook's getting.
00:46:06.000First thing you do is acknowledge it, which we just did.
00:46:09.000And then you got to start building a system where that is not part of the system, which is like a decentralized, open, free software metanet.
00:46:18.000And, you know, decentralization is a huge key.
00:46:21.000But I think even before that right now, and this is one of the things that we're really focused on, is we got to build, we got to build infrastructure.
00:46:28.000Because you can't turn anything on without the infrastructure.
00:46:31.000You saw what happened to Parler, they got turned off overnight.
00:46:34.000And then once you have the infrastructure in place, you know, common carrier based infrastructure, then you can start building things.
00:46:41.000And you can, you know, you can really kind of take all kinds of different businesses and really build off of that.
00:46:45.000If you want people to help you build, and if you want to build a community, you got to build a lot of trust.
00:46:51.000You guys got a lot of institutional money that usually corrupts companies.
00:46:56.000What plan do you have to show that you won't be corrupted?
00:46:59.000And what can you offer the people who are coming to you as transparency and oversight that you will treat them differently than YouTube did?
00:47:11.000So, one of the things that we did when we decided to merge with CFEI is we went out and raised money on the premise that we're going to be immune to cancel culture.
00:47:21.000We're going to be restoring the internet to its roots by making it free and open again.
00:47:27.000Building a cloud that's going to be as close to a common carrier as possible.
00:47:31.000A rumble platform that is not going to censor.
00:47:39.000That's what we went to Cantor Fitzgerald for.
00:47:41.000And we now, if we will be one of the first companies to enter the public markets once this merge concludes.
00:47:50.000Um, on the, on that premise, we're not on the, we're not going into the, into the public markets on the premise of, of a Google that requires, you know, all these other things.
00:48:01.000We're on the premise that we're going to be immune to cancel culture.
00:48:03.000And if we don't live up to that, then we now have a massive liability on our hands.
00:48:07.000We have no choice, but to stick, we put the stake in the ground on that premise.
00:48:13.000Twitter was the free speech wing of the free speech party.
00:49:08.000Can we maybe make a pledge towards transparency, oversight, free speech?
00:49:11.000Well, one thing we did do, and I think this is unprecedented, is that When, after we announced the merge with CFEI, we had a company ask us to demonetize Dan Bongino.
00:49:28.000And instead of complying with doing that... Gave him a raise.
00:50:27.000I think that's with respect to environmental.
00:50:31.000So this is the environmental, social, and corporate government score that a lot of bigger financial institutions like Blackstone use as a way of funneling money into, of course, big companies.
00:50:42.000So to comply with that, you have to push a certain narrative, have certain beliefs, have certain amounts of people based on their identities and their race, and there's many different things.
00:50:52.000But they essentially, the big money guys, come and say, you guys got to play by these rules.
00:52:34.000Voting shareholder voting control so that that allows me to I I think the rules I don't want to speak out of line But I think the 85% allows a lot like you could just kick somebody off the board.
00:53:57.000No, so like at this point, you know, I'm all in and what I'm seeing on the internet and what I'm seeing how this internet has changed in the last 15 years really Really, it's really more of a mission now than anything else in the world.
00:54:15.000And I feel like we're, we're the tip of the spear of really protecting the free and the open internet, especially if we really build this infrastructure out.
00:54:22.000And, uh, you know, we get, we really support a lot of businesses.
00:54:27.000I think that that's going to be a really important, really important factor.
00:54:37.000If we can somehow build a meshed network, maybe with devices like the Freedom Phone or a sort of phone where we can host our servers, I think you might be the guy to lead.
00:54:47.000Because I know your history in building servers and your interest in building up the network.
00:54:53.000I don't know if I have enough faith in people, be it you or Getter.
00:55:00.000I think that for the most part, whether people want to acknowledge it or not, they're moving only in the direction they can move in.
00:55:08.000So for Rumble, for Getter, for even Mines.
00:55:12.000There's an opportunity in that YouTube is killing conversations.
00:55:17.000You know, they make it impossible to have meaningful conversations.
00:55:36.000YouTube can only do what the culture will tolerate.
00:55:39.000So what I mean by that is, I fully believe, like with what I saw at Vice, there will come a point where unless you put in legal bylaws or restrictions or something, I don't even know if that would work to be honest, it's only a matter of time before Rumble becomes YouTube in the exact same way.
00:55:58.000But that doesn't mean right now what you're doing is bad, it means there's always going to be a new market opportunity for someone to bring back real and raw conversations.
00:56:07.000Yeah, I also think being private is more dangerous, in a sense.
00:56:11.000Being public is going to require us to be transparent about what we're doing.
00:56:15.000And, you know, when you go out and raise money from shareholders on a specific mission on what you're going to do, the second you go against that mission, you have liability.
00:56:25.000So it's a different standard when going public.
00:56:28.000I don't know of any companies that are trying to go public that are saying that they're going to be immune to cancel culture.
00:56:35.000What happens when you get inundated with press?
00:56:51.000In five years, you end up with an overt communist, you know, on Rumble, who's building a big following, saying as close as he can, calling for insurrection and revolution without crossing any legal lines.
00:57:03.000And then you end up with tons of people just being like, yo, this is really bad.
00:57:09.000You know, this guy is, is, is purposefully manipulating the platform.
00:58:09.000I say I believe at some point it will.
00:58:11.000I just feel like when you open the door to any public investor for any percentage When you start getting, you know, shareholder revolt, anger, you know, saying you are not staying true to your mission, you'll have to abide by what the people in your company are saying.
00:58:27.000The mission is to keep it free and open.
00:59:34.000And one of the things that we want to do, and I've talked about this before, is imagine that every creator on Rumble, you get access to your data.
00:59:50.000Let's say somebody... Here's your number one policy.
00:59:54.000You may not post or transmit any message which is libelous, defamatory, or which discloses private or personal matters concerning any person or entity.
01:00:57.000It's pretty much the same thing in spirit.
01:00:59.000So what we've done is we're going to, that I mentioned before, is we're bringing on Robert Barnes, Viva Frey, and a bunch of other free speech advocate lawyers to help us really define these in a way that everybody can understand.
01:01:18.000If I go take it to our internal counsel, they're going to make it as general as possible, vague as possible to make it as As accustomed and as good as possible for Rumble.
01:01:26.000But what I think we could do differently, and what I want to do differently, is take it to the community.
01:01:33.000Have people like yourselves, have guys like Robert help us build this, and really come up with a solution and transparency around these things that are vague.
01:01:43.000But that's the nature of us starting this business in 2013, not us building this platform in the environment in the last year.
01:01:52.000So that's something that we're going to do, and we're going to address it, and we're going to make it clear, and we're going to make it as transparent as possible.
01:01:59.000But I also think this is the conversation everybody wants us to have, because it's like, you know, it makes... they're very difficult questions to answer.
01:02:08.000So like, whatever my policies are here, how do we make sure that we stay in the Play Store?
01:02:20.000First, I want to make sure it's clear.
01:02:22.000You're only getting, you know, these questions because you're allowing them.
01:02:26.000I mean, Google, YouTube, you know, Facebook, they wouldn't even come here and have these discussions.
01:02:30.000Which is why it was so insane that Jack Dorsey actually sat down and had a conversation with me and Joe.
01:02:36.000But that being said, You have rule number five.
01:02:38.000You may not post or transmit any message which is abusive, inciting, violence, harassing, harmful, hateful, anti-Semitic, racist, or threatening.
01:02:45.000And so there's interesting questions about what abusive means, what harassing means, what harmful means.
01:03:34.000So, when it comes to the last two years, what's happened in the goal... The way they've moved and changed their terms is... Like I said, this is a conversation they want us to have because there's no answer to it.
01:03:46.000And these are just general terms and conditions.
01:03:49.000And we're going to address this as good as we possibly can by bringing in the community to help us do it.
01:03:54.000But the real conversation is Rumble didn't grow because these terms are there and we're banning people.
01:04:00.000We're not growing because there's racist content on Rumble.
01:04:11.000But you could ban people in the future.
01:04:13.000And then if you want people to go to your network and put their blood, sweat, and tears and whole careers into your network, you've got to give them some reassurance.
01:04:21.000So I think the vague terms and services are one issue, but I think there's two possible solutions here that I think might be able to provide that.
01:04:30.000And I might be totally wrong about this, but I think having oversight, transparency, and accountability, especially when it comes to destroying someone's livelihood, Someone's entire business, someone's entire work, would be something that should be done in a transparent way where people get to decide what to do and not some mysterious overlord that mysteriously just clicks off.
01:04:51.000And then second would be possibly having you or someone a part of the larger corporation signing a contract pledging, I will not sell this stock, I will uphold the First Amendment, And if I don't do so, I will have to give all my stock to the users or chop off my right hand.
01:05:07.000Would you be willing to sign an agreement like that saying, I promise not to sell the majority of my stock.
01:05:13.000I will uphold the First Amendment legally.
01:05:15.000I will reassure you what you're reassuring us today on a contract.
01:05:19.000Would you be willing to sign that contract?
01:05:51.000Would you sign it right now on the show if I say, I, your name, will chop off my hand if I violate this and sell off the majority of my stock?
01:06:18.000As you guys were talking about how you should handle your network, I realized, like, no one should own the network.
01:06:24.000Rumble should be part of a group of companies that are building a network that is there for all of us to utilize, and that maybe we can help upkeep it, all of us.
01:06:58.000We use Rumble for our website as well.
01:07:02.000We post our content here because it's all a net positive.
01:07:04.000And, you know, aside from the fact that we're asking hard questions, the reality is I trust you way more than I trust YouTube or any one of these other platforms.
01:07:12.000And I don't think you guys will end up...
01:07:25.000I'm saying, for now, you know, like, I definitely would prefer, you know, I prefer your guidance or moderation over YouTube's for sure.
01:07:34.000But the issue I have is that centralization is still the main problem.
01:07:37.000Dave, uh, Dave Rubin launches Locals, and, you know, he's signing people up, and everyone's like, okay, I'm gonna sign up for this, and I'm just, I'm confused by it.
01:07:44.000I, I, I ask some of the people who've signed up, I'm like, how have, how have you solved the problem?
01:07:51.000And I've, I've spoken with the CEO of Patreon on numerous occasions.
01:07:54.000And he's made a bunch of assurances to me, and they're like, well, I trust Dave.
01:07:57.000And I'm like, okay, well, if you don't trust the guy from Patreon because he's banned people, you do trust Dave, you're still in the exact same position where Dave can make all the promises in the world just like Jack Conte did, and then you still get your income nuked, because when push comes to shove, Visa approaches, you know, you guys, and says, if you don't ban Luke Rutkowski, we will terminate financial services to your firm.
01:09:44.000So if, yeah, so, you know, if that happened to a locals user and, you know, we had to ban a user because they asked us to ban, whether we would do it or not, this is a whole different story.
01:09:56.000They've already tried doing that with Dan Bongino and we told them to pound sand.
01:10:00.000But let's say we did that just hypothetically.
01:10:04.000You still have your account with all your subscriptions and your revenue.
01:10:20.000That's good, but I still feel like, you know, one of the things that I found disconcerting, just in the long-term process, I think everything we're hearing right now are good short-term solutions, but, you know, Ian pointed this out, we're effectively building the exact same machine we've already had problems with.
01:10:37.000You know, you have, you mentioned, you have the same rules that YouTube had back in the day.
01:10:40.000And I don't disagree with a lot of the rules, to be completely honest.
01:10:43.000I don't want anti-semitic or racist crap, you know, floating all over the place.
01:10:46.000But I also, I question why it is that we're in this position where certain people aren't allowed to express their opinions, even if their opinions are really, really awful.
01:10:55.000It's a very difficult position that nobody wants to accept, but I'll put it this way.
01:11:00.000While I personally find anti-semitism, racism abhorrent, I don't feel that I should have the authority to tell people that they shouldn't be allowed to express their opinions because, in my view, sunlight being the best disinfectant, challenging those ideas is important.
01:11:15.000Except if you have too much mold, then sunlight even isn't gonna...
01:11:35.000Build a device where we can have it preloaded.
01:11:37.000Visa and MasterCard have their own terms of service, which include much of the exact same language.
01:11:42.000Banking institutions, and even companies you've never heard of and don't realize you use, have these same terms of service.
01:11:49.000So we've already seen people debanked.
01:11:52.000And so the issue is, even if you're pledging, we're not going to do these things, you're still a part of the big machine.
01:11:59.000And so for us, the discussion we had, you know, when Patreon banned Carl Benjamin and this exodus happened, they banned Lawrence Southern and they banned Carl Benjamin, Sargon of Akkad, And, uh, immediately I get, you know, Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin are talking about doing the subscription service, and I said, that doesn't solve anything because what happened to Patreon wasn't like Jack Conte, the CEO, one day said, I don't want Lawrence on the platform.
01:12:21.000He got external pressure from business, from company partners, and he was put in this position where he's like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do here because he's not a political guy.
01:12:30.000Carl Benjamin got banned, and he broke his promise that he wouldn't just terminate somebody.
01:12:34.000So they decide to make centralized platforms.
01:12:36.000Well, Ian and I had this conversation, and the only real solution is complete decentralization.
01:12:40.000It's good that you guys on Locals, you have your own Stripe account with all your subscriptions, so even if they're banned from Locals, they still have Stripe.
01:12:52.000But ultimately, in the end, There needs to be, in my opinion, a way for people to ultimately control their own hosting so that they can't be banned.
01:13:01.000Because I'll say this, it does still feel like a half measure.
01:13:03.000It's good, their revenue won't be completely purged, but now they have no product and they have no place for it.
01:13:09.000I suppose they could then try and build a website.
01:13:11.000So what Ian and I had discussed was, okay, can we create a service that just instantly gives you your own website?
01:13:21.000This is what I thought Locals was going to be.
01:13:24.000I thought Locals was going to be that you'd sign up and you would just get the code, and you would have your own website with your own domain, and you guys would have no ability to ban people.
01:13:34.000Then I saw very quickly that it was the same thing as Patreon, but now it's your personal Stripe account where the accounts are getting logged in, which, again, better, but still a centralized platform.
01:13:46.000If, you know, look, when I talk to some of the people that use Locals, I ask them why they didn't just set up their own Stripe account on their own website and never have to worry about it again, and they said, I don't know how.
01:13:55.000And I'm like, okay, that's a good point.
01:13:57.000But that also means if you guys ban them, they don't know how.
01:13:59.000They're not going to just magically decide, you know, figure out how to do it.
01:14:03.000In which case to me, the solution was build a tech function, a service, an app software that allows people to just click a button.
01:14:11.000They set up their own website and boom, it's done.
01:14:24.000And they'll save money, too, because the amount of money that Locals takes from their creators exceeds the amount they'd spend if they did it themselves.
01:15:19.000So what you're doing right now is you're convincing people to give you their long-term prospects to basically put themselves in a position where they're beholden to your platform.
01:16:30.000I just assumed people would go to the YouTube channel and see the message, which is right there on the page, but they don't know.
01:16:35.000You could have it when they go to the banned account.
01:16:37.000Instead of saying, this account no longer exists, it says, this account has been banned and can be found at, and then the user is allowed to put in like a link where they're going to go.
01:16:44.000I don't know if that's considered a full ban, but that'd be cool.
01:16:47.000So, for those that are asking, because I see it in the chat, we do have, what is it, a functioning alpha?
01:16:53.000It's not quite... I wouldn't call... It's not something you can play with yet, but we're quickly building out the early alpha.
01:17:01.000Here's the issue they end up having with everything, is that if someone...
01:17:06.000When someone comes to me and says, we want X percent of your revenue, and then you can be on our website, my issue is, for a one-time investment that is a small multiple of that number, I never have to worry about any of these risks ever again.
01:17:22.000I completely own everything, and we're good.
01:17:26.000If you sign up for Locals, it's better than Patreon in that you mentioned it's your own Stripe account.
01:17:32.000But then, In the future, you're giving, what's the percentage that locals take?
01:18:14.000We could synchronize it so that once they start getting enough hits and they're making 10,000 and they're paying a thousands too much, they want their own server.
01:18:21.000Now they can just kind of move it over to their server, still be on rumble, still be found.
01:18:26.000All the analytics can still go through rumble, but they've now hosting their own thing on their own server.
01:18:31.000I hear what people are saying too, you know, because we've talked to people and they said it's good to be on the platform because there's like-minded people and it's a community and I'm like, okay, you know that I completely understand.
01:18:40.000I just feel like, you know, for you guys obviously you need to make money.
01:18:46.000It's a business, it's got to generate profit.
01:18:49.00010% I think is just, man, I guess I'm too much of a lefty in that capacity.
01:18:53.000To me, it just feels like you're ripping people off.
01:18:56.000I think you're both making good points because at a low threshold, there's a value to it.
01:19:32.000I'm very much critical in a lot of respects, but we absolutely do use Rumble.
01:19:37.000But we make it very cheap, and we make it very accessible in that sense that if you were to go to any other provider, Amazon is significantly more expensive.
01:19:55.000When you have economies of scale, it really brings down the pricing and allows you to be aggressive on things.
01:20:01.000A lot more aggressive than anybody else.
01:20:02.000As in like virtual servers that you open up?
01:20:05.000Yeah, so like, you know, Rumble does so much bandwidth that we're able to get it at prices that are from carriers that are much cheaper than what you'd pay.
01:20:19.000I think if you enter Amazon, you're paying at eight cents a gig.
01:20:22.000At Rumble, at scale, when you're coming to us, you're like eight times cheaper.
01:20:27.000Well, this is fascinating, actually, because you are Rumble and you are locals, and we use Rumble for our members-only content.
01:20:36.000We post to Rumble because it's a great service, and it's substantially less expensive than your competition.
01:20:44.000And I don't have to worry about censorship to a certain degree.
01:20:48.000Like, obviously we're asking these questions, but Locals is still something different.
01:20:52.000And having used your infrastructure and seeing how cheap it is to host per gig, and then to see how much Locals takes from the creators, I'm like, you see, it's kind of, it's kind of strange to me seeing both sides of it, right?
01:21:04.000It's significantly better than Twitch or YouTube on Locals in terms of the cut that it's taking.
01:21:36.000But so I'm looking at we put up a video for members only.
01:21:38.000Here's how many views we get in the members only video here.
01:21:41.000It's actually I'll tell people who are listening.
01:21:43.000It's decently expensive because we have so many subscribers, but the subscribers are paying.
01:21:49.000So, you know, the costs, it covers the cost of all that allows us to have journalists and make this robust website.
01:21:55.000Then I take a look at, you know, so very early on when we were looking to build the website, I see all the costs, I'm mapping all the stuff, and I've been in this business for, you know, a decade plus.
01:22:04.000And then I see locals and they're like, here's how much we want from you to do the same thing.
01:22:52.000And one of the things about, you know, the rumble cloud that, that, that we're coming out with is that, you know, this is a service that can support whatever you guys are building.
01:22:59.000If you guys are, are building something that's good for deploying it, you know, people don't have to use locals.
01:23:46.000Yeah, so we're putting in our own hardware, our own switches, routers and stuff, and data centers across the United States, multiple different places.
01:23:53.000We're looking to have, you know, I think five in total by the end of this year.
01:24:06.000It's something that, uh, we, we, we took on early last year and, uh, we're trying to accelerate that as fast as possible and then make that service available for what you guys are doing.
01:24:16.000Like it doesn't, I understand, I understand some people might not like the 10% fee and that's totally fair.
01:24:22.000Like if there's another solution that can do better than that, then that's great for the, for the market.
01:24:26.000And, uh, you know, if we can be a provider on the bandwidth side, cause we're the best and most competitive on that, on that side, that's the way we should win.
01:24:32.000I think another way to counter that if you are taking 10% showing people where the money is going to I think will also provide a level of oversight and some people gladly being like yeah I'll give 10% when I know exactly what it's going towards and I think there's another aspect here that is worth mentioning here because a couple years ago Julian Assange Released information that was accurate and he got punished by PayPal.
01:24:56.000He got punished by all the credit card processors and they shut down his ability to raise funds for his independent media organization.
01:25:05.000It would be very interesting to ask you what you would do in that situation, but not even just going there.
01:25:10.000Would you be potentially interested in providing some kind of alternatives to the current financial system regarding cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin that's there as a plan B just in case if they do squash down on you, you could say they can't shut us all down because we have this alternative which is related to Bitcoin or cryptocurrency.
01:25:29.000Yeah, so on the crypto side, we need to do something there.
01:25:32.000And I've been looking, I've been trying to study it.
01:25:36.000I think I want to, whatever we decide to do needs to provide immense value to the creator and to the user.
01:25:51.000So until we can find a real viable way, and I'm looking and I'm seeing what people are launching in the video space and a whole bunch of different other things.
01:26:02.000Once there's something there, we need to adopt it.
01:26:05.000And when that technology and tech gets there, we need to definitely adopt it.
01:26:10.000Um, I think what's happening, what you're talking about, the Ponzi scheme is where a creator will create a bunch of tokens and they hold most of them in their own personal wallet.
01:26:17.000And then slowly they get, send them out there and they just become massively rich.
01:26:20.000But like what mines did is create a utility token that it keeps in an account that it doesn't have access to.
01:26:26.000And every day it spreads out like 10,000 tokens to the community.
01:26:31.000There was a really good, I forget the site, they tried to compete against Twitter.
01:26:36.000It was like something that started with a B. I think like Michael Arrington and a few of these, Anderson Horowitz was behind it.
01:26:45.000And it was like, what they did is they basically said like, Every single creator will have its own token and based on how much following and how much people want to donate to that creator, their token has a higher value and price by creator.
01:27:01.000I thought that was pretty interesting.
01:27:02.000You'd have to build software where you could spin up your own token really quick.
01:27:05.000Someone could spin up a utility token.
01:27:07.000Yeah, it allows like you if you pay in subscriptions to the user, you pay 10 bucks a month.
01:27:11.000But if you pay with pay them with their own token, you get a discount of their choice, they get to set a discount level that will create utility value for the token.
01:27:19.000And then it's not a security so the SEC doesn't isn't as concerned about it.
01:27:23.000Yeah, well, we definitely need to look deeply into the whole crypto world on Rumble and figure out blockchain and figure out what is the best way to approach that.
01:27:38.000I guess in the early days of it, and I haven't quite seen the perfect solution yet.
01:27:44.000I don't know if we're going to wait for a perfect solution, but something that's going to provide some really good value to the community.
01:27:49.000On the Minds token, it's one token gets you a thousand views of basically advertising on the network and on library.
01:27:56.000You put tokens into a video and then that elevates it in the search algorithm, the more tokens it has.
01:28:34.000I'm not a lawyer, but... I think one of the issues with YouTube, for example, if you are an independent reporter and you confront someone in front of their home, they'll ban you.
01:29:10.000So I think this is one of the reasons many of these platforms are going to implement these rules no matter what.
01:29:14.000That if you're James O'Keefe and you walk up to the CEO of a company and say, you know, we want to ask you some questions, you're gone.
01:29:20.000It's why central control of authority seems to always lead to this totalitarian crackdown of its own network.
01:29:27.000I think that's why you just got to get rid of the control of the network and kind of oversee its construction and survival, but allow it to function on its own.
01:29:35.000I think maybe... Community policing and stuff.
01:29:37.000We need to have some kind of... I don't know.
01:29:40.000I don't know if Twitter or... It's got to be some kind of public utility communications platform because we don't use the City Hall anymore.
01:29:51.000It's controlled by interests, people who either, you know, can afford to build the platform, or who do so but don't want to take responsibility for the things put on the platform.
01:30:00.000In which case, until we can say this is a public, you know, institution, you can't sue anyone for hosting it, but you can sue the person who said it, or did it, or file a complaint against them.
01:30:11.000That's when I think we actually start fixing these problems, for the time being.
01:30:15.000YouTube will get... Twitter gets sued when someone does something, you know what I mean?
01:30:19.000Even with Section 230, they're like, so we don't want to take responsibility and put ourselves at risk for hosting this.
01:31:19.000They don't stop you from buying the phone, no matter who you are.
01:31:21.000But they will send your text messages to the NSA without a batting an eye.
01:31:26.000And a security camera filming the park will send all of the video.
01:31:29.000And as you're walking down the street, the surveillance state is a problem in of itself, but that could be the solution.
01:31:34.000I feel like, you know, that's one of the things that we want to make RumbleCloud closest to is make it a common carrier, like close to as common carrier as possible.
01:32:03.000Yeah, give me a call, you know, at Timcast, and then they...
01:32:06.000Like, I don't give out my phone number anymore, it's like, hit me up on Facebook, like, message me on some of these, I'll video chat you on Element.
01:32:12.000Yeah, I only get phone calls from people who want to talk to me about my car's extended warranty, or who are talking to me in Mandarin for some reason.
01:32:20.000I had an idea before we go to Super Chats, Chris, regarding if you're headquartered in Florida, and Canada, gets you like, hey, this is illegal in Canada, so we're not gonna show it in Canada, take it down.
01:32:30.000You tell them what we do at Mines, you tell them, no, it's legal, this is our terms.
01:32:34.000And if the country wants to ban Rumble from the country, they will.
01:34:02.000Gerald Armstrong says, how many times do we have to hear Ian say, I co-founded mines?
01:34:06.000Probably in the next year, probably 37 more times.
01:34:11.000Well, I think what people need to understand is, Ian hasn't met these people.
01:34:16.000And so if they're trying to understand the context of what he's saying, and they're like, I met this crazy hippie guy, Ian, why should I listen to him?
01:34:24.000And then he says, I actually worked on mines.
01:34:26.000I'm trying to balance when you're on TV every night.
01:34:30.000Basically, if I told the story a year ago, in my mind, I already told you.
01:34:34.000Everyone that's listening, you already know.
01:34:35.000But a lot of times we have new listeners, so you want to reiterate.
01:34:38.000And sometimes Tim will tell you about Occupy Wall Street, just in case you haven't heard.
01:34:41.000You know, it's kind of a meme that it can be overdone too.
01:34:43.000So if I'm overdoing it, I'm sorry, but I'm still going to tell people that I'm the co-founder of Mines.
01:37:01.000I have friends in Quebec that I'm praying that they're going to be okay because they're talking about hefty fines for individuals who just want bodily autonomy.
01:37:11.000That's a new level of tyranny that the world hasn't seen yet.
01:37:14.000It's like evidenced bodily autonomy at this point.
01:37:17.000There's a lot of evidence that the vaccines don't stop the virus, that it doesn't even stop the spread of the virus.
01:39:34.000Well, I suppose people have to just take a look at Salty Cracker's content on Rumble and YouTube to better figure out because, you know, to get a better assessment of what the channel's about and why they're so successful.
01:39:48.000I do notice that people post the salt emojis all the time, so I'm not completely unaware.
01:39:55.000Wifi says I don't buy for a second that social media censors in order to not scare advertisers.
01:40:00.000Where else are they going to advertise?
01:40:01.000Advertising isn't pulling out of spaces with that large of an audience.
01:40:07.000And also if you're advertising with Google or YouTube as an advertiser, you have the right to say, I don't want to advertise with this content creator.
01:40:16.000You could easily do that through the back, through the back door.
01:40:18.000You could easily do that through, of course, just clicking.
01:40:21.000Hey, I don't like this, this, this idea.
01:40:22.000I don't want it associated with this and this and this.
01:43:34.000Like we, we have issues with our UI too.
01:43:37.000We get a lot of complaints about that.
01:43:38.000And you know, when you're, when you're a bootstrapped company, we didn't get investment until 2021.
01:43:43.000That was like the first time I remember people laughing us out of the room in 2013 to say that we're going to compete against YouTube.
01:43:51.000I'm sure they want to be in now, but that's a different story.
01:43:54.000But when it came to UI, we really couldn't really forward that and get really deep into that until we could afford people that are really good and they're very expensive.
01:44:06.000And we have that and now we're coming up with it.
01:44:26.000Like, you know, you've got sites like, you know, Drudge and Reddit that don't, didn't really go into that direction of UI.
01:44:32.000And then you got, you know, nicer things like, uh, Instagram that came up with all these flat designs and cool designs, which people now desire quite a bit and TikTok and all that.
01:45:29.000So I lived in Miami for a year, just over a year, and in January and February, I saw people all over the place.
01:45:34.000Throughout the year, everybody was at Miami Beach.
01:45:36.000I saw them outside and all over the place.
01:45:38.000But through all these neighborhoods and at, like, you know, shopping centers, In the summer, everybody was indoors and the windows were soaking wet because the air conditioning inside, the humidity outside, it would condense and then it was just all the windows were always drenched.
01:45:55.000And I'm pretty sure there's a statue of the guy who invented air conditioning in Miami.
01:46:09.000I looked up what exo-politics is, the study of key individuals, political institutions, and processes associated with extraterrestrial life.
01:46:28.000The way that an admin's mistake can disrupt a user's life, like their income, because the day your video goes up is when you get most of the views.
01:46:38.000If it's demonetized for that day because of some idiot doing the wrong thing, it's just devastating to that.
01:46:45.000And it's not even that's the automated system now.
01:46:47.000So it used to be that every video I'd make would be demonetized, and then they finally backed off and fixed this problem, but now you still get it, and what happens is, I did like a video on Fauci and they said it was harmful pranks, and then I've got to email Google, and then, you know, three days later they get back to me and say, sorry about that, and I'm like, the video made no money.
01:47:05.000Three days later, I might as well not even bother emailing you.
01:47:08.000But the issue is the more videos get demonetized, the more they demonetize you.
01:47:11.000So you've got to send them all in and say, fix it.
01:47:14.000If they had to pay you back for all the ads revenue you would have made?
01:47:18.000If a company had to pay back for misadministrative ship?
01:48:08.000So we've got a bunch of crazy redundancies and backup systems and everything like that, security, so... But it's just, you know, this is why we got swatted.
01:48:15.000All people notice is a cop walk by and then walk out.
01:48:18.000Because we do have layers of security here.
01:48:46.000And I'm just kind of like, when the center left is jumping ship to join Republicans and you mock them on the way out, are you just trying to lose on purpose?
01:50:09.000And we need to be really transparent with these terms.
01:50:13.000And we need to do something different than these other platforms did.
01:50:16.000This is not something I predicted to happen.
01:50:19.000Um, in this world, this is something that, you know, things happen really fast in the last two years where they started banning all kinds of political talk, et cetera.
01:50:28.000Um, but we gotta, we, we, we gotta come up with something that's new and something that's stronger and it's better and more resilient and more and more in line with free speech.
01:50:38.000Like, um, Trying to administrate gross stuff like gore or racism.
01:50:45.000It's tough because in a free speech world, it would all be there and anyone that wants to look for it's going to find it because they have the right granular search mechanisms.
01:50:53.000But in the social media world right now, it's like waking up in the morning and it's there in front of your face and you're like, ah!
01:50:58.000And everywhere you look, there's just more gore.
01:51:00.000So unless an admin's there deleting it or blocking it, even though it's not illegal, People are going to be deformed by it.
01:51:11.000We humans didn't used to deal with this until 15 years ago.
01:51:14.000It's really like one of the most complicated issues of our time right now is, is really kind of understanding this and navigating this and, and the way that we're trying to do.
01:51:25.000And I think like our approach and why we've grown is just being consistent and not changing things in the last couple of years.
01:51:32.000I think one of the ways of dealing with this is just by letting people see what they subscribed to and not curating an algorithm.
01:51:39.000Would that be something that you guys be open to?
01:51:43.000We don't have an algorithm that's putting things up based on how interesting your content or how many likes it gets or how many re-engagements it gets.
01:51:54.000And you guys will be changing your terms and services?
01:51:56.000Yeah, so we're gonna bring on guys like Viva Frey and Robert Barnes, like I said, and we're gonna work on coming up with like, whether it's like a constitution or terms, all kind of combined, something very new, something kind of built from the community more than I would love to be a part of that process.
01:52:42.000There's not even a percent of that that doesn't exist on our platform.
01:52:45.000So the challenge is, you know, when Oliver Darcy, of all people, wrote an article about me when I said banning the alt-right was bad because it's a slippery slope, you want bad ideas to be fleshed out so we can challenge them.
01:52:59.000But to be the person who then comes out and says, reinstate all of the racists and bring them all back on is a step further now, and people don't want to do it.
01:53:08.000In my opinion, though, as much as I think a lot of people have a lot of really bad opinions, we just need a space where people of all different backgrounds and ideas, no matter how awful or how good they might be, they can have those debates.
01:53:19.000I think, you know, I really believe it's good to know who's bad and not hide them.
01:53:26.000When you hide people that are bad, that makes them better.
01:54:01.000So what will happen is if a piece of content gets reported by someone, it goes into a queue, which is then sent to anyone that wants to opt into this jury system on mines.
01:54:09.000And then it goes out to like 12 random jurors that then vote on, does this violate terms or does it not violate terms?
01:54:16.000But you get poisoned by bias in the jury.
01:54:18.000And then some people will say, I like this content, but they're not doing it right because they're not saying, does it violate the terms or does it not violate the terms?
01:54:26.000So there's noise, but over time you can appeal.
01:54:28.000Does it go through a Minds filter first?
01:54:30.000Like Minds thinks it's bad and Minds doesn't even touch it?
01:54:33.000Just a user reports it and it goes into this queue that people want to be a part of anyway, so it's not bothering anyone.
01:54:38.000And then they, we just, over time, if someone abuses their position in the queue as a juror, they're no longer able to be a juror.
01:54:45.000Maybe even having it go, like if, if let's say a Rumble moderator wants to remove something, if something's going to get removed or someone's going to get banned, Take it to a jury.
01:55:37.000Yeah, well, you what you want to do is you want to you want to kind of filter out the illegal stuff and the overt stuff and then when it comes to the controversial and very vague stuff.
01:56:35.000Cause if someone posts like a crime or like a murder or something, you need to be able to immediately be like, yo, this is beyond this is like warning violates and is illegal.
01:57:18.000If a cat sneezes, you're banned for seven days.
01:57:21.000And then the AI takes over the world and then dominates all of human civilization because it's a lot smarter than everyone else, which of course could be the next nuclear weapon, but that's another story.
01:57:28.000I just wish we had a platform that allowed all speech and allowed me as an individual to be responsible for myself and have discernment.
01:58:37.000So people get to upvote whatever comments they like and they don't like.
01:58:40.000So the chat we have, the one rule I say, I'm like, I don't care if you're saying whatever you want to say, like, I don't know, YouTube will ban you if you say something, whatever.
01:58:47.000But the spam is the problem because you're stopping other people from from saying what they want to say
01:58:51.000So I'm like I want more free speech if you're gonna try and disrupt that free speech
01:58:56.000Then I think we can ask you to leave. Yeah, I would respect I
01:59:00.000would respectfully kind of Disagree and let it play out and have a little bit more
01:59:04.000chaos and kind of accept that and understand I think spam, spam is an issue for sure that needs to be addressed.
01:59:10.000But in terms of like, I think the creator should be responsible for the, the, the, their comments and choose what they want there and what they don't want there.
02:00:16.000Yeah, that's on Donald Trump's official account on Rumble.
02:00:19.000So they were building a social network.
02:00:20.000Are they just hosting their back end on Rumble?
02:00:23.000Is that what that is or is this a different thing?
02:00:24.000Yeah, it will be their cloud infrastructure for Truth Social.
02:00:27.000Cool, but this is something different that he's using right now.
02:00:29.000He's got his so he came on to rumble in June I guess so six months ago.
02:00:34.000He opened his official account on rumble to do his rallies and he hits numbers that will just I've never seen like I And nobody's even close.
02:00:48.000The power of his live streams, hitting half a million on Rumble, and he's not promoting it on Twitter or anything anymore because he doesn't have any accounts.
02:00:56.000So people come, they watch, and this is post-election too.
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