On this episode of the Ron Paul Show, the Mises guys are joined by the host of the show, Dave Smith and Michael Heiss, to discuss Ron Paul's birthday, the January 6th riots in DC, and much more!
00:01:00.000And at the same time, we have a report from the FBI basically debunking the whole insurrection narrative.
00:01:04.000They said none of it was planned, no coordination, Trump did not coordinate or plan it, yet we still see what I think it's like 570 people have been arrested and charged.
00:01:12.000The charges are pretty intense, but we'll go through all that stuff with that story, and then we've got to talk about these vaccine mandates.
00:01:18.000In Australia, they have imprisoned a man for eight months because he was organizing a protest.
00:01:28.000And what New York is doing is shocking.
00:01:31.000The New York mandate, for those of you that have listened to this show for the past week, it's going to require businesses to fire any employee with a disability, barring them from vaccination.
00:01:41.000This is a shockingly draconian measure.
00:01:44.000So we're gonna, we'll talk about all that.
00:02:29.000And what I love so much about Ron Paul is just, like, you know, I know you like to share, and it is hilarious and accurate, but that meme of the libertarian ideas and libertarian candidates.
00:02:40.000But then, even for all the people, like all the right-wingers who, like, will come on this show and other shows and kind of, you know, be like, well, the libertarians get this wrong and they get this wrong.
00:02:49.000And then you're like, OK, now do Ron Paul.
00:02:51.000And you're like, oh, yeah, you know what? That guy was right about everything. He was literally,
00:02:57.000as we're in this country that's on a suicide mission, all the things that are killing the
00:03:01.000country. Ron Paul was completely right about the wars, the debt, the currency being destroyed,
00:03:07.000the militarization of the police, the entire war on terrorism. And also, by the way, he was right
00:03:13.000about covid and the lockdowns and all of that from day one.
00:03:16.000People were mocking him when he called the whole thing a hoax and just an excuse for government authoritarianism.
00:03:24.000That the whole COVID regime, this whole justification for all of these draconian measures.
00:03:30.000To clarify for Draconian YouTube, COVID is serious.
00:03:32.000You're saying that... COVID is a very nasty virus.
00:03:35.000All of the government responses have been horrendous and stupid and done nothing to mitigate the virus.
00:03:41.000But just to say that, that is basically what the Mises caucus is about, is that we represent that wing of libertarianism, the Ron Paul, real libertarianism, serious, not defending Dumb woke stuff, not defending silly corporatism and stuff like that.
00:04:00.000The real tradition of Mises, Rothbard, and Ron Paul.
00:04:04.000Did you see Jack Dorsey tweeted Rothbard?
00:05:08.000I think they basically, not so implicitly, threatened all of the big tech, you know, guys.
00:05:15.000And that's, like, the truth is that if you look back at the, you know, social media scene in 2015, 2016, as we all remember, it was the Wild Wild West.
00:05:25.000And I mean that as a libertarian as the highest compliment.
00:05:27.000Wild Wild West was the greatest time in the history of the world.
00:05:31.000And so you remember there were people out there who would just be like even really bad
00:05:34.000people who you probably wouldn't want to hear from.
00:05:37.000But they were just out there advocating their views.
00:07:01.000I mean, the truth is that Obama is really the one.
00:07:04.000I mean, it's George W. Bush's fault, but Obama bears so much of the blame for ruining the country because Obama was the one who was voted in as a counter to George W. Bush.
00:07:14.000Like the country rejected George W. Bush.
00:07:16.000So we went, OK, we're going to go all the way over with this very progressive constitutional lawyer, progressive named Barack Hussein Obama.
00:07:23.000That's how much we hate George W. Bush.
00:07:25.000And he doubled down on Bush's policies.
00:07:28.000Brought the war in Afghanistan and Iraq to Libya, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen.
00:07:34.000And that really, coupled with the record high spending, is what broke the whole system.
00:07:39.000So whatever fear you have of Ron Paul, Obama's what left us with all of this.
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00:10:28.000We've got to get through these intros.
00:10:29.000Let's talk about this first story real quick.
00:10:31.000Just because this one was kind of big when it dropped only a couple hours ago.
00:10:35.000BuzzFeed News reports InfoWars host Owen Schroer has been charged in the January 6th riots.
00:10:42.000They say, in a new complaint filed on Friday, the U.S.
00:10:44.000Attorney's Office in Washington charged Schroer with illegally going into a restricted area on the Capitol grounds and disorderly conduct.
00:10:51.000He's one of the highest-profile right-wing media personalities to be prosecuted in connection with the insurrection so far.
00:10:57.000I love that BuzzFeed calls it an insurrection, considering the FBI just came out and said it basically wasn't, but sure.
00:11:02.000They mentioned that he's based in Texas.
00:11:04.000He had been photographed on a stage outside the Capitol with Alex Jones, and the FBI said it received an anonymous tip from someone noting other video that appeared to show Schreuer at the top of a set of stairs on the east side of the Capitol.
00:12:02.000Like, you know, I was saying this back when they had that Chaz thing in Seattle, when they were playing this little game.
00:12:10.000And they did the little one in New York for a little bit, too.
00:12:12.000And I was just saying, I was like, listen, you lefties can have your fun building your little thing and then you'll probably abandon it in a few weeks, you know.
00:13:11.000It's not just some service provider that we change the clothes on and you might get some left wing service providing over here and some right wing service.
00:13:42.000The way that the establishment views this country is not as a nation on founding principles of life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the Bill of Rights.
00:13:50.000It's this is where we can test weapons and then run our companies to go and extort other countries and invade.
00:14:04.000But up on, like, when the Afghan war started, you had Democrats and Republicans who mostly view this country as the history of the Founding Fathers and World War II and civil rights.
00:14:15.000But the people running these companies, they don't see this country that way.
00:14:19.000They're like, this is just our hub for militarism.
00:14:23.000And then they run their companies here and they go to other places and do their thing.
00:14:27.000But there's something interesting in that, uh, you know, just downstairs we were talking, I've got these, these Utah gold back things I bought off the internet.
00:14:55.000I'm pretty sure it defines it as an actual measure of a certain amount of grains of gold or silver.
00:15:00.000Well, I don't know if that's actually in the Constitution, but that was common parlance at the time, was that yes, that's what a dollar meant.
00:15:07.000But yeah, the Constitution absolutely defines legal tender as gold and silver.
00:15:30.000Anything that restrains government is a myth.
00:15:32.000Yeah, I mean, look, there's certainly I'm sure like with everything in the Constitution, there'll be people who interpret it in different ways.
00:15:39.000But look, Richard Nixon, when he took us off the gold standard in 71, he said it was a temporary measure.
00:15:45.000He said he had temporarily closed the convertibility from dollars into gold, which was the ultimate default and violation of a contractual agreement between the world.
00:15:56.000I mean, we were on we were on an agreement in the Bretton Woods agreement that dollars were Do you want to break down the Bretton Woods Agreement?
00:16:04.000them that they were notes that you were represented you were holding gold.
00:16:06.000And just like most temporary government programs it's should end any day now.
00:16:11.000Do you want to break down the Bretton Woods agreement.
00:16:16.000Well, the Bretton Woods Agreement was coming out of World War II.
00:16:19.000Basically, all the other industrial powers had been destroyed, and the United States had the vast majority of the gold reserves.
00:16:26.000And so we basically made a deal with the rest of the nations that if they took our dollars as their reserve currency, then we would back our dollars up by gold at $35 an ounce.
00:16:36.000And so basically they were on a gold standard, because they were on a dollar standard.
00:16:39.000And then, in the 60s, we really started cheating.
00:17:06.000And then, you know it's funny, because then we go off the gold standard in 1971 and it's officially fiat currency, even though, like I said, we were cheating already in the 60s, right?
00:17:15.000But we go off the gold standard in the early 70s.
00:17:17.000And sometimes even really good progressives, like Bernie Sanders, well, you know.
00:17:22.000And good progressives will say things where they'll be like, you know, like the average wages have been so stagnant since right about the 70s.
00:17:31.000And the rich have been getting so much richer since right about the 70s.
00:17:34.000You know, the cost of everything has gotten out of control since right about the 70s.
00:18:27.000So they basically go through it and they say, nobody.
00:18:30.000Uh, they say that it was not centrally coordinated by far right groups, prominent supporters of Trump, according to their sources were either directly involved or briefed regularly on the wide ranging investigations.
00:18:41.000I got a text message from someone running against Lauren Boebert.
00:18:45.000And what do you think they, they told me they were for as to why I should give them money?
00:18:53.000I got a text message that said, hey, my name is so-and-so, and this is why you should vote for me.
00:18:57.000Not like a personal text message, like a mass text message?
00:19:05.000So they got my number from a registry or something.
00:19:08.000They are running against Lauren Boebert, and what do you think their... They thought to themselves, I have one text message to send this guy.
00:19:14.000Here's what I need to say to get him to give me money.
00:19:40.000And so I bring that up because what they've been doing with the media and the Democrats with January 6th is trying to create some reason you'd vote for them.
00:19:51.000That's like if there's a flood and everyone's trying to find a leader to help us through this great flood that's destroyed so much land and people are running and they're like, vote for me because I hate floods.
00:22:22.000And then I was like, and then I got older and I'm like, hey, look, Obama, you know, he's doing something like this is going to be the chance to, like, have some normalcy.
00:22:28.000And then he's just like, oh, I'm going to drop some bumps.
00:22:41.000Expanded not only the wars drastically, and then also expanded the entire national security apparatus, created the spy... You know, we were upset during Bush about, like, warrantless wiretapping, and Obama was like, hold my beer, I'm collecting every piece of metadata on every American citizen.
00:22:59.000And by every metric, by the spending, the wars, everything, he was worse.
00:23:05.000The extrajudicial assassinations of American citizens.
00:23:08.000And there was something even more devastating about it coming from the guy who was the reaction to Bush.
00:23:14.000I mean, this is why, after Obama, you get Trump.
00:23:17.000Because you have Bush, who everyone rejects.
00:23:19.000Then the reaction against Bush within the system, everyone rejects too for being on the same page as Bush.
00:23:25.000And then you're like, well, where do we go from here?
00:23:27.000And they're telling you your options are Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton.
00:23:30.000And then they heard the most powerful campaign statement ever.
00:23:34.000When Donald Trump was on that debate stage, and it was Megyn Kelly, and she said, you've called women fat pigs, and he went, only Rosie O'Donnell!
00:23:44.000And then everybody started cheering and screaming.
00:23:47.000And I am joking, but there was something to that.
00:24:01.000And what's you know, you touched on that politics is about being against the other.
00:24:06.000What's scary about that is how pervasive it is, because, you know, you look at approval ratings for the media, super low approval ratings for politicians, super low.
00:24:15.000And then people still keep Putting the incumbents back in.
00:24:18.000It's like, how do you account for that?
00:24:38.000And it was a point that people just go in and hit R. They would walk in and go Republican, Republican, I don't care who.
00:24:46.000And so you've got to know who you're voting for.
00:24:48.000Don't vote for someone if you don't know who they are.
00:24:50.000You can vote for the person you do like.
00:24:53.000You know, we talked about this on the show, getting rid of the party affiliation on ballots, because then people would be like, I don't know.
00:25:00.000And that's probably random is probably better than Tribal party line or another one they could adopt what we
00:25:06.000do in the Libertarian Party, which is on every single election
00:25:08.000There is none of the above is an option. Hmm. That would be nice. So the seat could be vacant
00:25:14.000Yeah It could be vacant or, um, if there was nobody else running, basically somebody, we nominate X, you know, and you just kind of take it from the floor.
00:25:25.000I would, I would love to end up with just like President Jimmy, just like some dude in the crowd.
00:25:38.000Yeah, so I remember I had an anarchist friend.
00:25:40.000We were talking a lot about how this would work and like what it would be and the idea would be you'd get like Congress duty.
00:25:45.000You'd be like, you'd come home from work.
00:25:47.000You're all tired and you grab the mail and you go inside and you throw it down and then you see like official notice and you're like, oh, what is this?
00:26:37.000And the idea is that a random person with a short term who's not going to profit off it doesn't want to be the person walking out and being like, I didn't start the war!
00:27:23.000But the problem then is, you know, the reason it wouldn't work is because other people would be like, now's our chance.
00:27:30.000And they like Democrats being like, if you do this and the Republicans have a majority, and if there's no one in Congress and the president is unrestrained.
00:27:36.000So I got to admit, I think the system devised by the Founding Fathers is absolutely brilliant when you look at other countries especially.
00:27:42.000Three branches doing different kind of things.
00:27:44.000The problem is there was this conspiracy on Jekyll Island.
00:27:49.000Federal Reserve emerged and all of a sudden nothing mattered anymore.
00:27:52.000Well, there's that, but there's also the arguments.
00:27:55.000People forget that there was a big argument as to whether or not we should even have a constitution.
00:28:00.000And the anti-federalists, the people who are arguing against the constitution, pretty prescient.
00:28:05.000I mean, their arguments, they said that this is going to become a king.
00:28:09.000And through executive order, that is what has happened.
00:28:12.000One of the problems, if you study Shays' Rebellion, which was after the Revolutionary War, the foreign powers wanted to get their debt back from the Americans for the war debt, but they wanted hard currency.
00:28:29.000So they normally paid their debts by printing paper and sending it off.
00:28:32.000The merchants that basically controlled the state legislature were like, we need hard currency from these farmers because we need to pay our foreign debts.
00:28:41.000So they started putting people in debtor's prison.
00:28:43.000The farmers basically started going to the courthouses and standing outside with weapons blocking the judges from adjudicating.
00:28:51.000So they couldn't be thrown in debtors prison, and it caused massive chaos.
00:28:55.000The state couldn't get its local people to fight to stop it, so they had to send in state troops.
00:29:00.000And they realized that without a constitution, without a centralized authority on taxes, each state would tax their own people individually and has the potential to cause massive chaos and disruption.
00:29:13.000So it's better to have one authority controlling all the tax money.
00:29:16.000Well, I mean, if your concern is debtor's prison, I mean, we still have debtor's prison.
00:29:20.000It's just the IRS now that's enforcing it.
00:29:23.000I mean, people do go to jail for not paying their taxes.
00:29:27.000People also go to jail, by the way, for not paying child support.
00:29:30.000I mean, there still are forms of debtor's prison.
00:29:32.000I will say, though, I think a lot of people overhype the IRS.
00:29:36.000Like, the IRS isn't going to lock you up if you owe money.
00:29:38.000Well, that's true, but they'll ruin you.
00:29:40.000But, I mean, So I know people who have run afoul of the IRS with their businesses to large sums of money and a guy showed up and said, look, here's what happened with your business.
00:30:29.000And you're right, I mean, yes, there's not like a massive amount of people in jail for not paying their taxes, but if we want to really figure out this experiment, we could make all taxes voluntary tomorrow, and then we would really find out how many people pay them because they're scared of the threat of jail time.
00:31:29.000And they would say something like, well, this is the system we're in and I'm just, you know, living the way it's supposed to be.
00:31:34.000The fact that they can find a rationalization in their mind to be whatever I saw one of them where he's like wearing his like, you know, like eat the rich shirt or something like that.
00:33:14.000But, you know, if you really have some perspective on the issue, to be someone who, you know, if you're worth $10 million, let's just say, for the sake of argument for this guy, which he's probably at least got a net worth of that much, right?
00:33:27.000Let's say his net worth is $10 million.
00:33:29.000If you have a net worth of $10 million in 2021 in a first world country, compared to all of the human beings who have ever existed throughout history, you are a level of rich that is Could, would be magic to 99.99% of human beings who have ever existed.
00:34:01.000You are amongst the most wealthy, privileged human beings who have ever existed in this like meaty flesh balls circling around the sun that we live
00:34:13.000on. We went to a mall like two weeks ago and they have in when you walk in the center is this
00:34:19.000like you know 200 foot tall dome with you know this beautiful glass and architecture and I looked
00:34:24.000at it and I was like if a king from like the medieval world saw this he would say for what
00:34:48.000If you get a headache, you got some Advil somewhere, I bet.
00:34:51.000If you want to go downstairs, watch something, you go downstairs, you turn on the big screen TV.
00:34:55.000If you were King, you'd have to go downstairs and have some dude, like, tell stories for you.
00:34:59.000And then the stories might suck and you gotta kill that dude and find a new dude to tell you stories.
00:35:04.000If you wanted to eat ice cream, they'd have to bring the ice block covered in sawdust And then walk it up and grab the salt and put it in the bowl with the cream and then like use the salt ice and you're sitting there being like, I'm gonna have ice cream soon.
00:35:18.000And then it's just like bland, sweet, like not sweet.
00:35:49.000The point that you're touching on, though, is that, and I agree, is that fundamentally there is a difference between like a self-made millionaire that worked, you know, pulled themselves up from their boob strats and the corporatists.
00:35:59.000The problem is, and I know this doesn't apply to like Jimmy Dore and like the better half of the progressives, but the left has become corporatists.
00:36:06.000And that has been made very clear with these bailouts, or not, I'm sorry, not the bailouts, the lockdowns.
00:36:10.000Because, you know, who made out on that?
00:36:13.000And who's morally in support of the lockdowns?
00:36:34.000Now, I think it's fair to criticize the hypocrisy of people saying, like, the rich need to pay their fair share, and it's so unfair that some people have so much and some people have so little.
00:36:43.000If you're going to argue like that, if you're going to argue that employers should be paying their employees a higher wage, well, look, here's my thing, right?
00:36:52.000If you're saying inequality is a moral outrage and you have a net worth of $10 million, well, you can Do something right now in the world for inequality by sharing a whole bunch of your money with other people.
00:37:07.000And so if you don't, I do think there's a level of hypocrisy that can be criticized for keeping all of this for yourself, living this very comfortable life and then complaining that others don't share their wealth.
00:37:17.000Let's break this down real quick as to what we're seeing.
00:37:21.000Hassan Piker works really, really hard, and through his talent and his drive and his passion, he has become extremely successful and made a lot of money.
00:37:30.000To him, he's like, I know I'm rich, but the real problem is that guy.
00:37:34.000Below him are the socialists saying, you know, look, we're not wealthy, we're middle class, but that guy, and they're pointing at Hassan.
00:37:41.000So what happens, you have this scale where the poor person with nothing is pointing to the middle class, saying, these people don't understand what they have.
00:37:48.000The middle class people are pointing at Hassan, saying, oh, he's exploiting, he doesn't understand what he has.
00:37:52.000Then people like Ethan Klein and Hassan are pointing at Bezos, being like, they're the real problem.
00:37:56.000The point is, no matter where you are at, they're always pointing at someone who's wealthier than they are, saying they're the problem.
00:38:01.000And someone in sub-Saharan Africa is like, you're all the problem!
00:38:06.000It's the folly of the anti-capitalistic mentality.
00:38:08.000Yeah, well that's right, and I think to the point Michael was making before, that there is something that, and one of the worst parts I think about the last 20 years particularly, but really I guess you could say since Jekyll Island, but is that we have this crony corrupt system that we call capitalism.
00:38:31.000And so of course people reject this because they do know on some level that this is unfair.
00:38:37.000And it is unfair because the whole system is completely rigged by the powerful.
00:38:42.000But it's rigged through primarily government policies, bought and paid for politicians, regulatory capture, a whole series, like an entire system that rigs the game.
00:38:53.000And what Michael I think was saying is that there is a difference.
00:38:56.000Somebody who is just successful in the market, who has nothing to do with government connections, they are,
00:39:02.000whether you like the product that they're selling or not, the people buying it do.
00:39:07.000They have made their wealth because they provide a product that people want more than their
00:39:12.000money and so they're willing to voluntarily give their money up for that product.
00:39:16.000The people who make their money because they have some type of government connection, some
00:39:20.000type of regulatory capture, some type of bought off politician, they make their money because
00:39:24.000people are forced to pay them for their product and that is unfair.
00:39:28.000And in the same sense that we bomb Iraq and call it Operation Iraqi Freedom, well I wonder why no Iraqi is going to want to buy freedom?
00:39:37.000anymore after that right the left has gotten away with calling corporatism or economic fascism capitalism for far too long and if they just dropped that they would find out that we're against it too there's a great example uh candace owens tweeted black rock is buying up houses and they're getting money from the government this is communism and then on reddit a bunch of progressives posted that and saying literally capitalism And I'm like, yo, you're both wrong.
00:40:04.000The point pointing at the communist and being like the government giving private institutions
00:40:08.000free money to manipulate and control the system is not communism.
00:41:31.000In 1914, there was like a revolution within the Internal Revenue Service.
00:41:34.000Oddly, right after they formed the Federal Reserve, 1914, or right then when they were forming it, and they created the new income tax.
00:41:41.000I would love to hear from you guys about the history of the IRS.
00:41:44.000So all of this stuff was under the Woodrow Wilson administration, and yes, it's certainly not a coincidence that the year after they created the Federal Reserve, then it's like, OK, if this Fed's going to lend us our own money that we will now owe them back with interest, we're going to need a little bit of a stream of money coming in.
00:42:04.000And the way the income tax was sold Was that it was only going to apply to the top top 1% of
00:43:08.000Because when government spends money, what can they do?
00:43:11.000Well, all they can do is they can either tax the money from you, Or they can borrow the money, which is just a promise to tax you in the future.
00:43:18.000Or they can print the money, which is in effect just taxing you right now, or a little bit in the future, because it's just robbing the value of your dollar.
00:43:25.000So when government spends a dollar, they've stolen a dollar from you.
00:43:29.000Forget taxation is theft, government spending is theft.
00:43:32.000And the reason, like, so when we got into World War I, was it 1917 we got into World War I?
00:43:59.000And then, oh, by the way, this is just permanent government policy.
00:44:03.000There is a fee for producing something.
00:44:07.000Not only is there a fee for you having a job and being a productive member of society, but you lose any semblance of Fifth Amendment rights to not incriminate yourself.
00:44:16.000You now have to incriminate yourself every year to the federal government because you are already presumed guilty, presumed a criminal, by your own government for the crime of being a productive member of society.
00:44:29.000Yeah, and what's funny about that is they're supposed to issue a receipt on what your taxes go for, and of course, you know, you're under penalty if you don't comply, and there's absolutely no accountability for them if they don't.
00:44:39.000So, and what you were saying as far as income taxes were never supposed to be for the average wage earner, you know, and then you also pointed out earlier that the suspending of gold was supposed to be temporary.
00:44:50.000It's just that, it's that classic Harry Brown quote of there's nothing more permanent than a temporary government program.
00:44:56.000Yeah, you let them have a little power, they're not giving it back easy.
00:44:59.000What ends up happening when they start this is, it's just for the rich.
00:47:14.000And man, what a better world we're living in if that's what we do.
00:47:17.000And instead, they allowed, whether intentionally or unintentionally, and I really, I'm just speculating but I lean toward intentionally on this, they allowed him to escape into Pakistan because I'll tell you, look, There's no question that a lot of the people, the forces on the ground were like, we can block off the Pakistan border right now and we can get Bin Laden.
00:47:41.000This is easy if you just send us the reinforcements.
00:47:43.000And they had specifically, the Bush administration, had not declared war on Al Qaeda.
00:47:49.000They had not declared war on the people who did 9-11.
00:47:52.000They had not even declared war on Afghanistan.
00:48:32.000So if Hillary had won in 2016, I think it's likely she would have wanted to push for it.
00:48:38.000The problem with the war in Iran is that no matter how many of the blood-soaked monster neocons, and I include Hillary Clinton in that list, won a war with Iran, The actual logistics of doing it are so bad that many people in the military are like, look, we just can't do a war with Iran.
00:48:58.000Because Iran is a more serious adversary than any of the countries we've picked on in the Middle East right now.
00:49:41.000Did you ever see that video from, I think it was around 2003, 2005, you know, fact check me on that, of General Wesley Clark, where he was saying, prior to them going into Iraq, they were telling him, we're going into Iraq, and then the plan after that is to go into Venezuela, and ultimately Iran, and he named like four or five countries.
00:50:59.000And that's, I'll just say, and don't buy, listen, don't buy their propaganda about this whole thing in Afghanistan.
00:51:05.000And I hope that people can see through it.
00:51:08.000Like, I'm not saying this isn't kind of ugly, Joe Biden's, you know, withdrawal from Afghanistan, and that there's not some, like, ugly aspects of it.
00:51:15.000But just, like, take a step back, zoom out, and peep game.
00:52:59.000Maybe it's just a wild coincidence that every time it's within the military-industrial complex's interests The corporate press becomes humanitarian, and when it's in their interests, they look the other way and don't care.
00:53:13.000Listen, by the way, for anyone out there, Joe Biden is the architect of some of the worst policies in modern American history.
00:53:23.000He is an evil person, and he is very responsible directly for the war on terrorism, particularly the war in Iraq under George W. Bush that he championed and voted for, okay?
00:53:33.000And he's also just an embarrassing Like elderly, you know, incompetent person, but this is this is not what it appears to be.
00:53:42.000You were saying something before the show about, you know, if, you know, when we plot of a war, they're going to make sure it's bad.
00:54:07.000Biden then says, I'm gonna follow through, which is a good thing, but I 100% believe if Donald Trump kept troops at 15,500, Joe Biden wouldn't be talking about it at all.
00:54:19.000It's because Trump was drawing down the troops and they were freaking out.
00:54:23.000And then Biden comes in and he's like, how do we get more troops in?
00:54:26.000So pay attention now because we can sit here and be like, it's a good thing he's ending this war, but they're sending more troops in already.
00:54:33.000I really do believe, and I had that attitude too, when Biden first pushed back the date, because Donald Trump organized, he organized a ceasefire with the Taliban, negotiated a ceasefire and a withdrawal date, which was in March.
00:54:48.000I believe it was early in March of this year.
00:54:51.000Biden came in and said... It was supposed to be May 1st.
00:54:55.000Biden came in and pushed it back to September 11th.
00:54:59.000I think At the time, I thought he was just bailing on the whole thing.
00:55:02.000I was like, he's not going to pull out at all.
00:55:04.000But then I guess it was just for political reasons to be like, well, we can't I can't just say I did Trump's thing.
00:55:09.000I have to do it my own way and make it more, you know, like on an important day, September 11th.
00:55:15.000But the reality of the situation is that with the troop levels that we had in under under Trump and even with these troops that Biden sent in to kind of help with the evacuation process, the thing is this, right?
00:55:27.000A lot of people, and a lot of people in the corporate press, they kind of create this false narrative where they say, well, I mean, maybe we could just leave the troops in there now, at like the level we have now, and it wouldn't be this unstable.
00:55:39.000And look, there hasn't really been an American casualty there for like the last couple years.
00:55:44.000But what they don't acknowledge is that the reason there hasn't been an American casualty, the reason things have been stable, is because Donald Trump negotiated a ceasefire contingent on us leaving.
00:55:57.000If Biden were to say, we're not leaving now and stay in, at this point, the Taliban runs that country.
00:56:05.000We will need, listen, we couldn't beat them with well over a hundred thousand troops that Barack Obama had there.
00:56:11.000So if we want to go back to this war now, it will be a bloodbath unless we're willing to send in another hundred thousand troops.
00:56:20.000In which case, we will drive the guerrilla Taliban's back out into the mountains.
00:57:58.000Like, they're on like a PR... Look, they're bad people, but by the way, so were a lot of the warlords that we propped up to fight the Taliban.
00:58:06.000Well, let's talk about long-term solutions, alright?
00:58:09.000The Republican Party doesn't do anything.
00:58:43.000And I'm like, can you guys, you know, build together something that actually functions as a legitimate alternative for regular Americans who are just fed up?
00:58:51.000Well, so right there, like what you just said is almost exactly like the idea here, right?
00:58:56.000That it's like, well, look, we recognize what's happening here.
01:00:25.000The reality is that what we need is a mass awakening of American people to understand
01:00:31.000to all be together on what the problems are.
01:00:34.000We don't have to agree on everything, but we can agree on the most basic things, which is that the government needs to stop doing the evil things that are destroying the country.
01:00:43.000And to me, the Libertarian Party, you're right, there are some Lulberts there, and there are also some really good people in the Libertarian Party.
01:00:52.000I was specifically referring to the Lulbertarians as Not majority, plurality.
01:01:15.000And so we're like, look, there is this party here that claims to be about libertarian principles, the beautiful Ron Paul principles that we stand for.
01:02:51.000But that's another... so this is another thing that... I would!
01:02:54.000Well, absolutely, and this is another thing that we kind of, as the Mises Caucus, bring to the table that is not currently on the table within the Libertarian Party, which is that the Libertarians need to become a cultural movement, and have something to say there, and have a narrative to write there, and that's what's going to draw people in.
01:03:11.000Right now, the party is mired in this idea that, well, we're just here to elect candidates, and then they don't even do So it's like, what's your pitch?
01:03:20.000So like, for example, we, the Mises Caucus, we have, uh, we're, we're supporting, uh, health freedom rallies.
01:03:26.000You know, we're supporting like nurses that are being threatened with the mandate.
01:03:29.000We just produced a documentary following, uh, or our California crew produced a documentary, uh, following three business owners as the lockdowns came in and they were existing.
01:03:39.000Yeah, and we've got an anti-war rally going on on 9-11 in DC, StopTheDamnWars.org, or EndTheDamnWars.org, and we're trying to actually get into the culture, and I would say you are a big part of that, because where I think libertarians are going to gain the most ground is in the dissident communities.
01:04:03.000The media is not up for grabs, or the audience that is listening to the legacy media is not up for grabs.
01:04:13.000I just mean on the spectrum because even the problem I have with left Libertarians as a compass faction, you need only look at political compass memes on Reddit to understand the problem we have right now.
01:04:25.000Whenever they make a meme, they show the tankies, the authoritarian communist types in the authoritarian left, they show Nazis in the authoritarian right, ANCAPs in the libertarian right, and the woke in the libertarian left, which makes literally no sense because woke people are dogmatic authoritarians.
01:05:01.000But the philosophical underpinnings of critical race theory are completely incompatible with any type of market system at all.
01:05:10.000I mean, they will actually tell you that meritocracy itself is racist, or that liberal economies, meaning in the classical liberal sense, are racist.
01:05:20.000But check it out, here's the thing about left-libertarianism.
01:05:23.000Left-libertarianism is cooperative libertarianism.
01:05:28.000So the reason why I think right-libertarianism is outsized is because it's really easy to have a very large system where it's like, that's a fine beer you've got.
01:05:45.000But this idea that left libertarians are the woke, you know, Bernie Sanders, Democrat, that is not true.
01:05:51.000Bernie Sanders was, maybe, but the problem is ultimately, we were talking, I think we talked about this with Vosch, he's a socialist, we had him on our bonus segment, we talked about this.
01:06:02.000A left libertarian system, like the true libertarian freedom, is like 10 people on a farm.
01:06:07.000Who are have agreements and they can solve their problems very easily among each other
01:06:11.000But once you try and scale up to two different communities that don't agree and you have no means by with to exchange
01:06:17.000value and have It a trade then you get authoritarianism when one side says
01:06:21.000do it or else right exactly So so what it comes down to really is like like by the way
01:06:27.000There are some really good left libertarians out there who I have no problem with
01:06:31.000And if you basically say, if you come to the conclusion of voluntarism, which many of them do, where it's kind of like, OK, well, if you guys don't want to be a part of this or you guys want to go be, you know, competitive or whatever the thing is, which I don't even think exactly describes our type of libertarianism, it's an aspect of it, but that as long as you're OK with that, And not forcing other people in, then to me we're all kind of the same thing and you're just putting emphasis on different areas.
01:06:55.000You can go have your commune on a farm.
01:06:57.000No libertarian like me or Michael is going to advocate for stopping you from doing that.
01:07:01.000The presupposition is, you own a farm.
01:07:09.000Someone tweeted, what are you going to do once communism is accomplished?
01:07:13.000And then someone responded with, probably study a bit more, hang out with my friends, teach people how to, you know, grow food on my farm, maybe hang out on Sundays.
01:07:21.000And then someone responded with, your farm?
01:07:24.000Have these people ever looked at a communist country?
01:07:30.000It is owned by the greater, and that means everyone is subjugated.
01:07:34.000Yeah, look, I mean, that type of system, every time it's been tried, has been, not just like, hasn't worked out well, it works out really, really disastrously bad.
01:07:43.000But this is my, here's the thing, if you truly were, this is why the left libertarian on the internet and how they portray it is completely wrong, because if you were left libertarian, you would be cheering for right libertarians because you all agree, leave each other alone unless you come to an agreement.
01:07:59.000So when I saw Ron Paul, I was like, works for me.
01:08:03.000He's going to leave me and my friends alone and we'll go have our little hippie commune and then we can do our thing.
01:08:28.000So if you think about, say, like someone operating within a free market or some type of business or something like that, you could describe it as competition.
01:08:37.000So you could say right now, you know, that this show, right, is in competition with other shows.
01:08:45.000And there is some degree of truth to that.
01:08:46.000I mean, someone is choosing right now to watch this show rather than watching some other show, so you're competing with them.
01:08:51.000But to just describe what you do as competition, it's like, well, I don't know, you are in a cooperative agreement with everybody who's here to come and do the show, and you're gonna come and you're gonna do this, and they'll come in, and well, you are in a cooperative agreement with the travel accommodations made for everybody to get here, you're in a cooperative agreement with your sponsors, You're in a cooperative agreement with the people you buy the equipment from.
01:09:14.000So to me, I see a lot more cooperation than I do competition.
01:09:19.000It's not that that's not there, but all of it is involved.
01:09:22.000But so I don't think it's like... Well, it's not one or the other.
01:09:54.000I organized a rally at every Federal Reserve building simultaneously, and that earned me a private interview with Ron Paul.
01:10:01.000And I was struggling with the whole thing at that time, and I said, Ron, in a free society, do you think capitalism and socialism could, if it was voluntary, run parallel to each other?
01:10:15.000I think they have to, because if you're born into a system like this, where it's like, you know, competition, cooperation, but then Google has monopolized an aspect of society, how do you use the government to break that up, in my opinion?
01:10:27.000If you guys have other ideas around that, let me know.
01:10:32.000I think it's the taking away of the free market that's produced that, because it's the collusion between governments.
01:10:37.000So what is the incentive for them to break it up?
01:11:30.000But what you just kind of indicated there is you actually want less government control, that you want to actually break their software code, not let them have protection under the law.
01:11:54.000And let me say also, to Michael's point, a lot of these things, and this is something that I think is done on the left a lot, right?
01:12:01.000I remember one time, just quick, very quick anecdote, that Bernie Sanders was criticizing Ron Paul.
01:12:06.000And he said, this was on MSNBC, and they played a clip of Ron Paul where he said, Ron Paul was like, well, what if somebody doesn't buy insurance and then they get in a motorcycle accident?
01:12:17.000Are you telling me that they just have to beg for charity or something?
01:12:20.000And Ron Paul goes, look, that's what freedom's all about.
01:12:53.000It's nice to just say, oh, government has to do this thing, and then feel like the humanitarian in the room.
01:12:58.000But the reality is that we need to get on the ground and change the culture in a lot of these areas.
01:13:03.000A lot of the stuff, and this is what Michael was getting at before, a lot of this stuff with the tech censorship is that we have kind of given up on this culture of free speech.
01:13:12.000Not just, and I don't mean the First Amendment, I mean like free speech, what the First Amendment was alluding to.
01:14:34.000Derek Bell has criticized the end of segregation.
01:14:37.000This is one of the prominent, preeminent, critical race theorists.
01:14:40.000They do not like the changes that came about, and they want to switch it back to the way things were 50-some-odd years ago.
01:14:48.000They don't like the changes we've gained with free speech.
01:14:51.000They don't like the fact that with the internet we got even freer speech, and it was crazy!
01:14:56.000So they are coming into power, they are pro-corporatist, or you've got the progressives who are just siding with the establishment and they're trying to rewind the clock on freedom of speech and civil rights.
01:15:06.000In California, they had a proposition in November that would have stripped the civil rights provision from their constitution.
01:15:12.000And California voted very, very slim, but they voted no.
01:15:49.000Yeah, I think that's absolutely right, and they would oppose any reform that still keeps the system going because that, by its very nature, is white supremacy.
01:16:04.000So this is the thing I want to say about you guys.
01:16:06.000When you come out and you're like, war is bad, we shouldn't be having these wars, what American, for the most part, is going to be like, I disagree.
01:16:14.000There's some, sure, the neocon types, I suppose, but regular working Americans overwhelmingly are gonna be like, I have no idea why we're doing any of this stuff, and why am I paying taxes for this?
01:16:23.000Most of them don't even know about half the wars.
01:16:25.000I mean, most of them don't even know we have a war in Somalia, or in Yemen.
01:16:58.000But it seems like what you guys are for is what most people would say, hey that's better than the alternative and it's at least something for the people.
01:17:08.000How do they answer what it is you guys are doing?
01:17:10.000I mean, they'll probably use every media trick that they use, you know?
01:17:14.000I mean, that's like, I think, to be assumed at this point.
01:17:17.000You know, look, if you get close to being a threat to the establishment, you always are, you know, whether it was Tulsi Gabbard was a Russian agent, right?
01:17:30.000Bernie Sanders was leading a group of brown shirts and Donald Trump, of course, was the worst Nazi because he actually won, right?
01:17:39.000But I think that Americans are becoming aware enough and cynical enough to kind of realize, and this is part of the reason why the corporate press is more and more desperate and erratic and irrational, is that they're losing their grip on power.
01:17:53.000You can only do this so many times where you call anyone who's a threat to you a Nazi.
01:17:59.000Before people start to wake up to this.
01:18:02.000And I saw a poll the other day that said that, you know, two-thirds of the American people say we never should have fought the war in Afghanistan.
01:19:39.000Like, we have some experience with this with Ron Paul and, believe it or not, Gary Johnson.
01:19:44.000Now Gary Johnson, in my opinion, they used him as a tool.
01:19:48.000Um, and Johnson, because he didn't have the strength of principle that Ron and the courage and the consistency that Ron did, he allowed himself to be used as a tool.
01:19:55.000So what I mean by that is, um, you know, everyone kind of goes back to Gary Johnson and the whole Aleppo moment.
01:20:02.000But before that, Relatively speaking, he was being given fair and consistent coverage by Libertarian Party standards.
01:20:10.000And then what happened is, now I'm thinking that what they thought is, so conventional wisdom is that the Libertarians pull more from the Republican than the Democrat.
01:20:23.000But then the polling started to show that he's hurting Hillary a little bit more.
01:20:30.000And that's when the Aleppo thing happened, that's when the fangs came out, because, you know, he was peaking at 12% in the polling at one point.
01:20:39.000And so, for people who don't know how the debate commission works, basically the debate commission gets to pick five polls, and you as a libertarian have to score 15% across three of them, and that's what gets you in the debates.
01:21:22.000Dude, I'll give you the better one of that.
01:21:24.000I mean, like, that was a way better way to handle it.
01:21:26.000But do you remember... This shows you how much confidence and just not giving in to the narrative that you've been defeated is.
01:21:32.000There was this one moment in the debates, it was my favorite moment in the debates with Donald Trump, this was back when there were all the Republicans, and they asked Donald Trump about the TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and he goes, the major problem in the Trans-Pacific Partnership is that it doesn't address China's currency manipulation.
01:21:48.000Okay, if you don't address China's currency manipulation, you can't get anywhere.
01:21:52.000It goes on this whole thing about China's currency.
01:21:53.000And then Rand Paul just raises his hand and he goes, shouldn't someone point out that
01:22:44.000So Fry, he's like, I'm from the era, same as you, so he likes him and he invites him into Planet Express, and he tells Fry, he's like, what do you do when someone asks you about something you don't know?
01:22:52.000Don't tell me about X, I'll tell you about X!
01:23:00.000I actually think the Gary Johnson thing is a really good cautionary tale on how to deal with this stuff, because compare it to Ron Paul in 2012.
01:23:06.000The main thing that they try to do with Ron Paul in 2012 is block him out.
01:23:11.000act like he didn't exist. He was getting first, second place in straw poll, or well all the straw
01:23:16.000polls he was dominating, especially the online ones, but then he was actually like looking like
01:23:19.000he was going to win Iowa, New Hampshire, and they just they just said well first place is such and
01:23:23.000such in third places, you know, and it just completely rode him out. But what that served to do
01:23:28.000is inflame the grassroots that much more, and then and and they and the media can never admit that
01:23:34.000it's wrong, so it starts this cycle, and it's the same thing that happened with Jordan Peterson.
01:23:39.000You go out there and you say the truth, you say some bold shit that's true, and and then the media
01:23:46.000wants to destroy you for doing that, for going against their narrative, and then if you just
01:23:50.000play it right, they will, you will get free press. Trump did it in
01:26:04.000And that is a whole new tool that, if we really want to change something in this country, we'd be crazy to not Recognize that there's a whole different playing field that
01:26:15.000by the way That's I think a big part of the reason why the whole
01:26:17.000corporate press is freaking out about fake news And why we have to crack down on all these voices because
01:26:22.000for the first time I think really ever they've lost their monopoly
01:26:26.000They now have real competition. There's some University who did like a study or whatever and they claimed that I'm a
01:26:32.000super spy I was a super spreader of election disinformation on Twitter.
01:26:37.000And I just find that so ridiculous because my Twitter is just... It's not a serious display of news.
01:27:50.000So they can certainly excise certain political opinions.
01:27:53.000But the stuff we're talking about, it's not controversial.
01:27:55.000People don't like war and conflict and theft and authoritarianism.
01:28:00.000And lockdowns and banker bailouts and corporate bailouts and militarized police and the idea of the war on terrorism being turned inward against the American people, even if you really don't like Republicans, I mean Democrats, like Democratic voters.
01:28:17.000The Republicans were the ones who supported the war on terrorism, and now they are the targets of the war on terrorism.
01:28:23.000Do you really want to be the next people who support the war on terrorism?
01:28:27.000You think you won't be the next targets of it, too?
01:28:29.000Like, there are so many issues here, and I think, to your point, Tim, even if they were able to, like, even if they were able to, like, get you booted off of all media platforms, or, God forbid, something more authoritarian, like they, you know, some real Crazy, they snatch you up and get and you know, you throw
01:28:46.000you in some prison and torture, you know Whatever they could do they could shut what do they do to
01:30:16.000I appreciate the compliment, or the statement of the work I'm doing, but because these people in media don't do that anymore to a great degree, and don't get me wrong, there's a lot of great journalists on the ground in conflict, doing investigative work, there's a lot of non-profits that do it, but much of the New York media environment won't even make a phone call, and I'll give you a really good example.
01:31:00.000They said if the consumer price index is a 5.4% increase, that means they'd have to be spending $3,700 on mayonnaise per week for there to be a $200 increase.
01:31:21.000And, uh, a guy answered the phone and I said, I see a quote from you in the press that you, uh, are spending $200 a week in mayonnaise because of inflation.
01:31:29.000And he went, Oh yeah, so we go through about, um, you know, uh, 10 five gallon buckets per week.
01:33:47.000I went and got some draft legislation, switched out the city of Lancaster with the municipality of Norristown, gave it to the city council, told them, hey, you guys are all Democrats.
01:33:56.000The Democrat Party of Pennsylvania has weed legalization in their platform.
01:34:00.000Shouldn't take me, some random libertarian dude, coming in here and being like, let's get this done.
01:34:09.000Yeah, no, you're absolutely right that the only place that you're gonna make a real difference politically is locally at this point.
01:34:16.000The whole, particularly the federal government apparatus, is designed, like as you were saying, Jekyll Island, right?
01:34:24.000By design is there to protect the powerful.
01:34:27.000It's not there in the interest of the people or of liberty.
01:34:30.000But I just think that, like you said, it's like, That stuff that's going on at local levels, especially, there's something to me really powerful about the parents showing up to these meetings and just saying, we're not taking this anymore.
01:34:44.000I mean, like, how, what type of level, like, you know, do you get to, like, there's got to be a line somewhere, right?
01:34:51.000Like, I'll tell you, for me personally, I mean, my kids, like, my wife's pregnant now and I got a two and a half year old, so they're a little bit younger than this, you know, being in this world yet, like, there's
01:35:00.000still, I still protected them, protecting them completely. But the idea that you're going
01:35:05.000to mask up my child and then teach them race essentialism? Um, no. And like, like, over my
01:35:43.000We got a lot of people, a lot of good comments, so smash that like button.
01:35:46.000And I just gotta start from where we're at real quick, because Gary Talent says, when are you going to rename the show The Michael Malice Fan Hour?
01:36:33.000You know, there's a there's another story that I just saw related to the gun control issue where, again, it goes back to my the states and the localities and everything are where the actions at Missouri.
01:36:44.000The state of Missouri passed a law saying that neither the state government nor the localities are going to be enforcing federal gun control law.
01:37:11.000You know, we were just thinking about this.
01:37:13.000In New York City, a human rights, a willful human rights violation is fined at $250,000.
01:37:19.000A vaccination card fine is $1,000, then I think it's $2,500, and then $5,000, and then I think the $5,000 is the cap per violation.
01:37:27.000So I thought about what would happen if, you know, I just brought some friends who had met who had disabilities, barring them from getting vaccinated, went to a random restaurant in New York, Walked in and as soon as the person said, okay, you got to show your proof of ID or vaccine, I'd say, well, I'm not actually here to come in.
01:37:42.000I'm just a legal observer because I've got some disabled people who are going to try and enter.
01:37:48.000And if you deny them, it's a human rights violation under New York city, state, and federal law.
01:37:53.000I'm just curious to see what, what, which fine you're more scared of the $250,000 human rights violation or a thousand dollar COVID violation coming in guys.
01:38:02.000Just, like, how will the shops react to that?
01:38:04.000Because the government has put them in a position where they literally cannot escape this.
01:38:10.000And the important point I brought up several times now is these companies have to fire their employees.
01:38:13.000So now we're talking about, like, labor rights.
01:38:16.000So listen, if you live in New York or San Fran, New Orleans, or Los Angeles, and your company mandates you to get a vaccine, but you legally, like, you medically can't because your doctor is barring you, Then you can take it up with, I think this would be the EEOC, Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, I think what it's called, and they handle discrimination.
01:38:35.000Now, the problem is, at the local government, you may get cult establishment people being like, we don't care, get out.
01:38:41.000But if your doctor legitimately says, and this happens all the time, there's people who can't get it, you can't, then it is, I don't even think it's an opinion, I think it's a fact, that you are being discriminated against based on a disability that is not fair and it violates the law.
01:38:55.000Let's see how these New York businesses handle this.
01:38:57.000Not to mention, what would happen if like a hundred people tried walking into one restaurant and none of them had ID on them?
01:39:03.000The whole restaurant would be jammed up and unable to operate because they've got an ID everybody at the door.
01:40:04.000Doctors are the ones who'd be trying to convince you, not force you.
01:40:08.000And so the challenge I, the problem I have with all of this is like, bro, your manager at your supermarket doesn't know your medical history, shouldn't be telling you to do anything.
01:40:45.000Yeah, well, I mean, just like the idea of, like, creating this two-tiered caste system, where not everyone has these basic, you know, fundamental rights to participate in society, is outrageously creepy.
01:41:20.000Isn't the Libertarian Party opposed to the civil rights law?
01:41:24.000Well, I don't know what the official Libertarian Party position is, but I'll tell you that the idea of banning discrimination by private businesses would be in conflict with pure Libertarian principles.
01:41:40.000So the idea that if you own a business, like in the same way that you can discriminate
01:41:45.000who you want to have as a guest on your show and who you don't want to have as a guest
01:41:48.000on your show, you could discriminate based on race or gender or something like that.
01:41:53.000I don't have to agree with it, but I could accept that that's your right.
01:41:56.000However, this we're talking about the government forcing you to discriminate against a certain
01:42:03.000And now you're getting into Jim Crow categories.
01:42:06.000I mean, again, I'm just saying, like, I don't know what other legal president to cite that would be forced discrimination by private businesses under the law.
01:42:17.000The inverse would actually be if private businesses started saying they were choosing to discriminate against people who weren't getting the vaccination and the government said, you can't do that anymore.
01:42:27.000We're at the level where the government is forcing the businesses.
01:42:30.000And the businesses I talked to when I called said, we're sorry, we don't want to do this.
01:42:33.000We're just following the mayor's orders.
01:42:35.000So yes, and by the way, as much as I would be appalled and hate it if businesses were voluntarily discriminating against non-vaccinated people, although I will say perhaps there could be some businesses where it made sense, okay?
01:42:51.000Like I saw like some cruise lines doing it and I kind of understand where on cruise ships they'd be concerned, although this was before the Delta variant and we found out you could still get it and pass it along and all that, but I'll just say As much as I would be appalled by that, I wouldn't support legislating that they're not allowed to do that, having the government force them to not do that.
01:43:30.000So it gets sticky because there is a spectrum within libertarianism.
01:43:35.000So you've got anarchists, you've got small government types, and because of that it creates a spectrum of what is canon within libertarianism.
01:43:46.000But the Mises Caucus is not for open borders.
01:43:48.000There are probably some people in the Mises Caucus who are, and some people who aren't.
01:43:52.000No, there's a lot of people in the Mises Caucus who are open borders.
01:43:55.000But our official position on borders is that because there is... So the idea of the Mises Caucus is that we focus on the 80% that libertarians agree on.
01:44:03.000The wars, the growth of government, taxes, all this stuff.
01:44:07.000And not on the stuff that divides us, like borders.
01:44:10.000And, you know, people can get really zealous about the open border thing.
01:44:15.000And because there legitimately is a spectrum of thought that's what I would call canon within libertarianism.
01:44:20.000I mean, just the idea that, well, the borderlands should be owned by the government versus borderlands should be privately owned.
01:44:26.000That really creates a spectrum of two different strains of thought.
01:44:29.000So we just basically, we don't have an official position on that.
01:44:33.000If you want to, like, if you are within that spectrum, you're cool with us.
01:44:37.000Well, I'll just say, like, my position on the issue, because I know there are people in the Mises caucus who are open borders and there are who are not.
01:44:44.000I am not for open borders, and I don't think that that's the proper libertarian position.
01:44:48.000The idea that libertarianism is basically to me the belief that you own yourself, that
01:44:57.000you believe in the non-aggression principle and private property rights.
01:45:01.000That's more or less where you get libertarianism, free markets, the whole philosophy of peace
01:46:05.000I mean, look, man, after 2020, if you didn't think maybe it's a good idea to have like some some type of supply of food, I think, you know, I would just say I think it's very wise to do as much of that as you can.
01:47:16.000Oh yeah, so this is the other, like, little twist to throw into Obama supporting the world.
01:47:22.000Which, by the way, Trump continued all four years of his presidency, so don't let him off the hook for this either, and made huge deals with the Saudis.
01:47:29.000But yeah, so you have the Houthis fighting against the Saudis, al-Qaeda on the side of the Saudis, America coming in on the side of al-Qaeda and the Saudis fighting against the Houthis who were the enemies of al-Qaeda.
01:47:42.000But we were originally, to some extent, supporting the Houthis As part of the War on Terror, and then just like the Mujahideen, it all flipped and... Well, listen, that's the other thing that's so criminal, and this really falls on Obama, and Trump was a little bit better, but not much, but better than Obama on this, is that in Libya, Syria, and in Yemen, he fought on the side of Al Qaeda, and in both Libya and Yemen, actually funded and armed Al Qaeda.
01:48:09.000And, you know, a lot of people throw the term treason But the literal definition of treason is giving aid and arms to the enemy, right?
01:48:37.000So you don't believe in intellectual property and piracy?
01:48:42.000Well, I don't believe in intellectual property in the sense that it's property.
01:48:46.000You know, so it's not that there should be, like, this is like kind of abstract philosophical stuff, but the idea that, like, if someone takes your property, you have a right to use force to stop them from taking your property.
01:49:00.000If someone downloads your podcast or something like that without permission, no, listen, you can make agreements with different companies that host it, that penalize them in some way.
01:49:09.000But what I mean is that it's not a property right in the same way that a physical property right is a property right.
01:49:15.000So you make contractual agreements with someone and you protect against that.
01:49:19.000But no, do I think someone could be thrown in jail for like downloading music illegally?
01:50:00.000I'm trying to figure out technological solutions.
01:50:02.000So like if you sold my song on the web, you'd get paid with a cryptocurrency that would automatically detect that I was the creator and siphon a percentage of the payment to the creator.
01:50:13.000So that you could have like entice a thousand people to sell my mp3s And I would give them each 1% of every sale so you have people like organizing huge websites of like aggregated music to sell or they'd be making them.
01:50:25.000And also just that the truth is that intellectual property like we're all using like almost like the most generous examples where we would all be kind of sympathetic like yeah you shouldn't really take that person's work with that but the way intellectual property is actually enforced through the law there are far more egregious violations of that where like Like, look, the idea, almost in like the most abstract sense, right?
01:50:46.000It's like, if you were on a desert island, and you found like some shells, and you made like a necklace, like a shell necklace out of that, and you're like, well I worked, that took me like an hour to do, so that's my property, I mixed my labor with the earth, you know, the most Lockean, just acquisition of property, that's my property.
01:51:02.000And someone ran up and snatched it off your neck, you'd be like, that person's a thief, I think you have the right to go tackle him and take it back.
01:51:10.000But if you went and made a little shell necklace, and then said, I am now the creator of shell necklaces, and anyone else who makes a shell necklace, I own the intellectual property of shell necklace, and now if someone else made it, I'm gonna go rip that off your neck.
01:51:24.000Because I am the – well, now you're the aggressor, not the – so that's where like intellectual property gets into this weird area where you can't just – it's a little bit different if you claim something like your podcast or your art or your creation, but you can't just like – the idea of just creating a product and then claiming that you own all future ones is a little bit – Zanzibar says I was raised Democrat, swung right during Trump, but embraced libertarianism when I found the LPMC.
01:51:52.000I've never wanted to join a party more.
01:52:42.000No, I mean, like, I've watched, you know, a bunch of his videos and read a bunch of his stuff, but I've never... Would you want to come on the show with him?
01:52:49.000Yeah, dude, if you get G. Edward Griffith on, I'll... Yeah, absolutely, dude.
01:53:09.000Ruben Pedroza says the real way to make change in government is to enforce term limits or elections for all bureaucratic positions of power.
01:53:26.000I think it actually might even have more perverse incentives, you know, like where you could have someone like, well, you got a short little time span, you better cash in right now for all the revolving door value you could get, you know.
01:53:40.000But I also think that it's like all of these solutions almost presume the victory.
01:53:48.000So, OK, we're going to enforce term limits on all bureaucrats and all politicians.
01:53:52.000Well, how the heck do we do that unless we already have control of the entire government?
01:54:15.000All right, Weefy says, you are missing the depths of Hassan's hypocrisy.
01:54:18.000He told Sargon in a debate two years ago, quote, profit is theft, Sargon.
01:54:22.000To say that, then buy a $3 million house.
01:54:25.000I'm gonna stop right there, because I ain't gonna strawman Hassan.
01:54:27.000When the left says profit, they don't mean the simple money you make off your labor.
01:54:32.000What they're referring to is when a CEO gets paid $13 million a year, and then somebody who actually makes, say, the bottle of water, They sell the bottle of water for $5, extract a dollar to go upwards towards a position somewhere else.
01:54:50.000So whereas we talk about free enterprise and capitalism in a way they don't understand, and they need to, if I build a birdhouse and the materials are $20, and I sell it for $25, I have a $5 profit.
01:55:06.000They're talking about hospitals that have board members who don't do anything, just absorb money.
01:55:13.000And so their view of it is, if you are in a position as like a shareholder or something, and you're getting dividends and profits, but you're not doing any work, that's the profit they're talking about.
01:55:24.000So you can agree with them or disagree with them, but I like to steel man their arguments and then have the argument.
01:55:36.000And I also wouldn't suggest... I mean, look, again, like what has to be made clear is that we live in a system and an economy that is completely, you know, it's nothing but a big cartel scheme and the rules are completely rigged for the powerful.
01:55:51.000But if we're just talking in theory in a voluntary free market or something close to that, the idea that someone who's an investor did nothing, I mean, no, I don't think they did nothing.
01:56:11.000I don't think profit is evil in any way.
01:56:15.000In fact, I think it's a sign that a company is doing really well.
01:56:18.000John says Hasan also has even said he couldn't do more in-depth analysis of videos without hiring more people, so his hours of streaming is not an actual hustle.
01:58:07.000I mean, if you're correct, you shouldn't want to censor other people and you shouldn't need to strawman other people because you got the truth on your side.
01:58:12.000He said some really awful things in the past.
01:58:28.000I'm like, probably I say dumb things too.
01:58:29.000Yeah, no one should be judged over the worst thing you said.
01:58:34.000There should be some amount of, like, a charitable grace that it's like, well, let's judge you on, like, kind of what you stand for over, you know, like, the body of your work, not just, like, this one sentence or this one thing you said.
01:58:48.000That's, like, kind of gotcha nonsense.
01:59:08.000I realized in college I was like kind of broadened to a larger, you know, sect of humanity and I realized that it was offensive to other people that making humans the butt of jokes isn't necessarily the best way to do comedy.
01:59:19.000So I kind of changed the way I... Just don't do the woke comedy where you make fun of yourself.
02:00:30.000Yeah, I ended up doing like a half an hour when I normally do the 20-minute segment.
02:00:33.000But Hassan bought a $3 million house, which in this capitalist system, even with a welfare state, I think is fine.
02:00:40.000But in a socialist system, because he brought up the word socialism, The house is the means of production.
02:00:45.000The ability to have a big... When you're in the media, you know, we're in this big house right now with multiple rooms and different studios.
02:01:18.000But that building should be open to others to do the same thing, and when you are not streaming, your camera and computer should be available to the public to use the means of production that you use.
02:01:29.000I think that's what socialist proletariat would want.
02:01:31.000That's definitely how pure socialism goes wrong.
02:01:34.000Well, I mean, but in a sense it's not just how it goes wrong, it's the logical conclusion.
02:01:41.000I mean, look, these are, by definition, means of production.
02:01:45.000You are producing things through these means, and you are generating all of this stuff through it, and so why should you?
02:01:53.000Like, if you're not going to look at it through the respect of private property and ownership, well then why shouldn't this be for the benefit of the, you know, quote-unquote community?
02:02:01.000I think a lot about socialism, big S and small s. Like, socialism, the government style, big S. Authoritarianism, the big A authoritarianism is like the government style.
02:02:10.000Then there's authoritarian with a small a, like an adjective.
02:02:13.000And how you can weave socialist small s or authoritarian small a functions into a democratically republic system.
02:02:22.000And still have it function even better than if you hadn't woven those.
02:02:26.000But I guess what frustrates me at times, and like even with the conversation we were having before about left libertarians versus like our school, they call right libertarians, I don't know, whatever.
02:03:39.000And then we just openly share, like Ian can take the flour whenever he wants.
02:03:42.000I'll have some of the bread whenever he makes it.
02:03:44.000What happens though, when the neighbor walks over and walks up and takes the bread?
02:03:47.000Yeah, it's like, and you see each layer, it gets a little bit more like, maybe that could work if you're real close with your neighbor, but then what about another neighbor?
02:03:55.000And then all of a sudden, the guy from down the street comes, and we don't have any arrangements with him, and you can't just manifest one.
02:04:01.000And so then when I'm like, stop taking my bread, and he says, you don't own the bread, I'm like, we're gonna use force to stop you.
02:04:54.000So my point is that You're just one of us who wants to live on a commune, which is fine, but don't... So unless you're... If you're calling it this other thing... Right, exactly.
02:05:03.000It doesn't work, or it turns into some other thing, and if you're not that, then just explain to me the distinction.
02:05:09.000That's why I said, as much as I disagree with Ron Paul on a lot of policies, he's always said, I'll leave you alone, and I'm like, great, I can do my thing.
02:05:15.000Can I tell you, I was a left-winger before I found Ron Paul in 2007.
02:05:22.000I found him in the Giuliani moment where he called Giuliani out for the real motives of terrorism and the evils of the U.S.
02:05:29.000Empire and I was like, that's the greatest thing I've ever seen.
02:05:31.000And then I started reading all of his books and reading a bunch of other libertarians and I was converted.
02:05:36.000After looking at first when I was starting to read it I was like I gotta read this libertarian stuff to find out what's wrong with it Like I was gonna read it to like disprove it and then along the way somewhere I just got converted like they were better or but my thing with that what you just said is why I really thought in my silly naive young mind that I was gonna be able to convert a bunch of leftists and Because I go, this is, there's such a good pitch to the left here, is what I thought.
02:06:02.000Because I go, look, if you embrace libertarianism and reducing the government, like drastically reducing the size and scope of government, then look, you end immediately all the evil things that you hate.
02:06:15.000Now this is during the Bush administration, so like wars, you know, they were really against the wars at that time, and the war on drugs, and police brutality, and all this stuff that the leftists really hate.
02:06:24.000And look, all that other stuff that you guys love, like Welfare and taking care of poor people and any type of this tough stuff like socialism I go you can have all of that you just have to do it voluntarily You know like so you can have that you guys just got to come together in your own voluntary community And then you can do all of this so isn't this the perfect compromise pitch to the leftist you can you can get rid of all the things you hate and have all the things you love you just have to come do it voluntarily and um
02:06:53.000Yeah, that was not as well-received as I thought, and I have actually persuaded a lot more right-wingers than left-wingers, which I was surprised by.
02:07:00.000Because they're mostly authoritarians who just want stuff.
02:07:06.000Ron Paul comes out and he says, I believe we got to do this thing and that thing and this thing, and I'm like, I don't agree with those things.
02:07:12.000And then he goes, and if I was elected, I'd leave you alone so you can do your own thing.
02:07:17.000I'm going to have my little farm, and I'm going to have my hippie friends, and we're going to be left alone.
02:07:21.000Dude, Ron Paul said this once, and I think it was in, God, I can't remember if it was the 2008 or the 2012 campaign, but he said this thing where he was basically like, oh, there's all this excitement, he has tens of thousands of people around him, and he was like, so now people are asking, what's going on here?
02:08:02.000The Constitution doesn't give me the authority to run your life.
02:08:04.000We ought to respect individual liberty.
02:08:07.000And I always thought that was just the most powerful, honest, and humble political message I'd ever heard.
02:08:13.000That really, the message is that anyone who's telling you they want to run the world or want to run your life, first off, does not have any moral or legal authority to do so, and also just doesn't know how to do it.
02:08:24.000And that the only honest thing was to admit that you don't.
02:08:30.000If you were to be president and Taiwan was attacked, would you honor our agreements to assist?
02:08:35.000Well, what do you even mean by assists in Taiwan?
02:08:38.000Look, man, we gotta, like, I hope Taiwan is not attacked, and I root for freedom of people everywhere, but we really gotta get over this empire mentality that we can do something about.
02:08:51.000You explain to me the logistics of, what, are you gonna get military in there and start fighting a hot war with a nuclear-armed power like China?
02:09:00.000And then what, we're gonna, like, start just I mean, like, at a certain point, Americans gotta, like, take a slice of humble pie and recognize that, look, we just lost to the Taliban in a 20-year war, okay?
02:09:18.000You think we're gonna take on the Chinese on their territory?
02:09:21.000How about there's one problem that ever exists that's just not our battle?
02:09:26.000to fight. I root for them. I do not want to see them fall to China. I don't like the government
02:09:31.000of China. They are a creepy, authoritarian, quasi-communist, quasi-fascist government.
02:09:38.000But what do you think we're going to do, man? You actually think like...
02:09:43.000Yeah, like you want to go to a nuclear war and lose what?
02:09:47.000Seoul and Tokyo and maybe LA and then we'll blast three of their cities and then after all of that we still won't be able to get the forces in to save Taiwan?
02:11:11.000Like he said, it's a little bit more inside baseball, but it gives you an idea of what we're facing inside the party in order to red pill the party and, you know, the tricks that are being pulled and all that kind of thing.
02:11:24.000If you want to get kind of an insider view of the kind of things that we're dealing with, that's a good thing.
02:11:28.000And if you like what you're hearing in this conversation, go to TakeHumanAction.com and help us, you know, help us red pill this party.
02:11:35.000TakeHumanAction.com is the place to go and understand what we're doing.
02:11:38.000Just to be clear is that we're bringing the Liberty Movement into the Libertarian Party.
02:11:42.000We're bringing that real Ron Paul libertarian energy that's serious and facing about, you know, the real issues facing the country.
02:11:50.000And we are also in the process De-woke-ifying an institution for perhaps the first time in history.
02:11:57.000I'm not sure there's ever been an institution that went woke and then has been de-woke-ified and we're about to do that.
02:12:03.000Yeah, shaking off progressivism I think might be historic.
02:12:07.000And also, Angela McArdle for chair of the Libertarian Party.
02:12:11.000That's coming up this next year, right?
02:13:30.000No, I but I do think leaving Hassan aside or whatever.
02:13:35.000But I do think there is something to be said for like, say, Bernie Sanders, you know, when he becomes a millionaire and then like, you know, like itemizes his deductions to pay his little taxes.
02:13:44.000If you write your own book, you can be rich too.
02:14:00.000You if you really believe that, I don't think it's too much to say lead by example and say,
02:14:07.000OK, look, I'm only paying 20% in tax, but I'm going to give another, you know, 40% away
02:14:12.000to charity because I really believe that no one needs this much money.
02:14:16.000And that then I then I would at least I'd still disagree with you, but I'd at least like take what you're saying seriously and be like, hey, that guy's got some real principles.
02:14:24.000When you got two or three houses and you're making millions of dollars ragging on the rich, that's like, yeah, yeah.
02:14:38.000The people who are ragging on him for being rich are left, not right.
02:14:41.000The right are like, oh, well, congratulations on being rich.
02:14:44.000And the left is like, why are you rich?
02:14:47.000The thing I said is like, what, should he just keep his wealth a secret?
02:14:50.000Should he not buy anything with all the money he's got?
02:14:52.000He's probably making a couple of mil per year.
02:14:54.000I think to change a society, you need to be super rich.
02:14:58.000Like if you look at the American founding fathers, they were super rich and like, I've lived my whole life in this like this pious or whatever, like charitable state where I don't want to get rich.
02:15:07.000Cause I don't like the system and I don't want to involve myself in it, but it's ridiculous.
02:15:12.000You want to be like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos controlling swaths of industry.
02:15:17.000Then you can implement your political change.
02:15:19.000But well, it's about the work you do and what you build up that gets you to the point where you have control over systems.
02:15:25.000That's true, too, because if I had like six hundred billion dollars, it'd be different than owning Amazon.
02:15:30.000Yeah, well, look, it all it all depends on exactly what you're after.
02:15:33.000I mean, all of these things are kind of like, you know, they're different forms of power and they're different forms of influence.
02:15:41.000But if you you know, being you can be very, very wealthy.
02:15:49.000You can be somebody who's very respected and admired and use that in certain ways.
02:15:54.000You can also just be a really great father or friend or son and that can make a big difference in an individual's life.
02:16:02.000So there's all different ways to kind of like shape the world around you.
02:16:06.000But yeah, there's no question that like very very rich people have a disproportionate amount of influence.
02:16:12.000That's a good point, though, about the attention economy and the value of people knowing who you are and respecting you, because money can't buy that.
02:16:18.000You still need some modicum of broad support or public support, because look at Bloomberg.
02:16:23.000Look at all that money that he threw at his election and got laughed at.
02:16:40.000Michael Bloomberg has a lot more money than Ron Paul does, but I'll tell you, he's not spoken of the way that Ron Paul is amongst people who really admire him.
02:16:51.000Just the same way that freedom and responsibility are axiomatically the same thing, Power and competence and responsibility are axiomatically the same thing.
02:17:01.000Well, and I think you could argue- Or they should be in any- Yeah, perhaps they should be.
02:18:42.000But through this whole COVID thing, he's just been nothing short of heroic.
02:18:45.000I mean, what he's gotten Fauci on tape saying, and just backing him into these corners and getting him, it's like almost the perfect trap where he gets Fauci to say these things.
02:18:53.000The next day, all the blue checks are like, Rand Paul owned!
02:18:57.000Two weeks later, the CDC agrees with Rand Paul.
02:22:13.000But if you want to, if you want to make it, well, you can, you know, like me and you were saying, we've got to put public pressure on these, these companies forcing the mandates.
02:22:22.000You can go to maliceforlptwitter.com and sign the petition.
02:22:25.000And then we can go and say, Hey, there's 10,000 people.
02:22:33.000Like getting an actual, uh, Getting someone of that talent to run the Twitter account would be PR gold.
02:22:42.000Make sure it says run by Michael Malice in the description so people can go to his personal page to know what's going on.
02:22:49.000And I also wanted to add another point about like what you were saying about with the Republican Party.
02:22:52.000In 2012, when Ron was running, there was Rasmussen polls showing that the only Republican candidate that was winning in the polls against Obama was Ron Paul.
02:23:18.000But for all the right-wingers who understandably are just furious at everything that the left-wing has done to the country, you do have to understand that you had an option in 2012 to vote for literally Thomas Jefferson, a better version of Thomas Jefferson, in Ron Paul, and you chose Mitt freaking Romney.
02:24:14.000In some ways, I think because it's a cultural battle is why we have to go through the LP, because we can actually build our own culture, build our own narrative, build our own stories, whereas the Republican Party, culturally, is hated by half the country.
02:25:04.000You want Michael Malice to have the keys to the Libertarian Twitter handle?
02:25:08.000All you gotta do is get Angela McArdle voted in as, uh, uh, uh, get her elected as the chair of the party.
02:25:13.000If you wanna understand why, if you're not familiar, we've had Michael on the show several times, you gotta follow him on Twitter and then you'll start to bask in the glory that is the perfect trolling of Twitter and the, the just, it's, it's, it's glorious watching him go after these journalists and, and, and all that good stuff.
02:25:28.000A brilliant writer that was born in the Soviet Union and saw, like, governments gone too far from a very early age.
02:25:36.000So when he talks about anarchy, he's really doing it from an erudite place.
02:25:40.000And he's also an excellent writer, not just in the fact that he's, like, a super smart guy and he knows a lot about history and makes really good arguments, but just his, like, prose and his technical writing is just very enjoyable to read.
02:25:55.000As a very crappy writer, I really admire very good writers and he's an excellent writer.
02:26:00.000He's got great range because, yeah, you can go on Twitter and see and laugh at him trolling people and it's just glorious.
02:26:06.000But then you can watch, say, for example, the Lex Friedman interview when he's talking about what his grandma had to go through and started crying.
02:26:13.000He's got incredible range and all of that stuff and, like I said, a great writer.
02:26:18.000By the way, if I ever write a book and it's well written, Michael Malice wrote that book.
02:27:09.000Again, to make culture, to inspire people, to make it so that people aren't just watching nothing but negativity.
02:27:16.000We're taking that revenue from all of you guys' members and we're putting it right back into making more and more stuff so that you can watch it and enjoy it.
02:27:28.000Do you guys want to shout out social medias?
02:27:30.000Oh yeah, at ComicDaveSmith on Twitter, TheProblemDaveSmith on Instagram, and PartOfTheProblem is my podcast, so go check that out.
02:27:41.000So for me, I'm not the biggest Twitter user, but at MisesChair on Twitter.
02:27:46.000We also have got the Facebook group, Libertarian Party Mises Caucus.
02:27:51.000And then the big thing is, join that email list, get in touch with your organizers, TakeHumanAction.com, and help us decentralize the state.
02:28:25.000It's going to be like the future of electrical generation in a lot of ways is piezoelectricity when you can tap into the vibration of the vacuum itself.
02:28:33.000We're going to get back to how we made the pyramids, finally.
02:28:36.000Yeah, there might be something to that.
02:29:33.000He said the parents were going to flip out.
02:29:34.000So we're going to follow up with that.
02:29:35.000And then we'll obviously follow up with some other, you know, uh, political issues, but that's going to be on the members podcast because YouTube would ban us if we talked about those issues.
02:29:44.000But, uh, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll see how it rolls out and, uh, thanks for hanging out.