On today's show, we have a special guest on the show, Peter Schweitzer, a former White House correspondent for the New York Times and author of the book, "Clinton Cash," joins us to talk about his new book. We also hear about the Canadian Freedom Truckers' protest in the city of Ottawa, Canada and the mainstream media's attempt to smear them as white supremacists.
00:00:05.000The Freedom Convoy has reached Ottawa.
00:00:07.000Justin Trudeau has fled the city to an undisclosed location.
00:00:11.000And now vehicles across the city are slamming their horns, honking like crazy in protest of the vaccine mandates.
00:00:19.000And of course, the people who live there, not everyone, not all of them, but many of them are taking to online forums, outraged, saying, why won't these people stop?
00:00:27.000And the mainstream media in the United States and Canada are smearing the freedom truckers.
00:01:13.000...said on The View that the Holocaust was not about race.
00:01:17.000And everybody stared at her, dumbfounded and confused, as she repeatedly doubled down and said, it's just white people doing it to each other.
00:01:25.000So we're going to have to talk about that one, because that is a doozy.
00:01:30.000Joining us is an individual who has been disparagingly mentioned in leaked emails from the Clintons, Peter Schweitzer.
00:01:42.000Why were they disparaging you in emails?
00:01:45.000You know, I wrote this book called Clinton Cash that exposed kind of their business model.
00:01:49.000I mean, they went from being completely broke when Bill Clinton left the White House to 10 years later, they were worth like $250 million.
00:01:56.000Hillary was in the Senate, she was Secretary of State, and they didn't like the way that I exposed
00:02:00.000that. So, yeah, they had some not such nice things to say about me. I don't think Chelsea
00:02:04.000ever disparaged me. I never heard Chelsea, but Bill and Hillary were not happy.
00:02:08.000But now you got a book about Biden and Xi Jinping, Sean.
00:02:12.000Yeah, it's a book about all these Americans from the president, Congress, Republicans, and Democrats.
00:02:17.000We've got people in Silicon Valley, Bill Gates, Elon Musk.
00:02:21.000And then you look at Wall Street, the big Wall Street banks, all doing deals in China and all apologizing for China and all, frankly, helping China in their competition with the United States.
00:02:31.000So, you know, I name names and expose them.
00:02:34.000Well, we will get into all of that, too.
00:02:50.000We do a political cartoon every single week, sometimes twice a week.
00:02:55.000And I want to say, I'm very excited for the show because the pre-show discussion was really fantastic and fascinating.
00:03:00.000When I'm thinking about the interaction with China, I think about Vladimir Lenin's, I think his quote was, the capitalists will sell us the rope that we will use to hang them or something.
00:03:21.000And I am also here pushing buttons in the corner.
00:03:23.000I'm very excited for this conversation, because like Ian was saying, they're definitely selling us a rope we're gonna hang ourselves with, and I'm afraid we already have, so let's see what's going on with that.
00:03:31.000I kind of feel like we should get one of those buttons you can buy where you can record a sound effect, and we should just have like a honk button, like honk honk honk honk honk honk.
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00:04:44.000Justin Trudeau says we are not intimidated.
00:04:47.000Trudeau won't meet convoy that continues to gridlock Ottawa.
00:04:52.000Before I read this, I want to give a trigger warning to all the people who despise the mainstream media, because this one, my friends, this one is a doozy.
00:05:02.000And I'm not literally giving you a trigger warning, I'm just building suspense, because check this out.
00:05:09.000Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he will neither meet with nor be intimidated by the convoy of Canadians he says spent the last few days harassing local businesses, waving Nazi flags, and stealing food from the homeless!
00:05:53.000These truckers are stealing food from the homeless.
00:05:55.000What about the people who decided that we needed to print trillions and trillions of dollars and then inflated our currency so that lower-income people have less of an ability to buy food?
00:06:02.000Are they stealing food from the homeless?
00:07:06.000He said, freedom of expression, assembly and association are cornerstones of democracy, but Nazi symbolism, racist imagery and desecration of war memorials are not.
00:07:42.000Well, like, during the BLM protest, did he mention that burning down people's businesses and destroying their ability to make a living is horrible and bad, and that he can't stand with the protest on that basis?
00:07:52.000And then when we're looking at this, he's saying, having Nazi flags and desecrating memorials are not something that I'm willing to contend with.
00:07:59.000Okay, then how about we have a conversation about what they're actually doing, okay?
00:08:02.000Because if any of them are even doing that, it's a tiny, tiny fringe minority.
00:08:06.000So why doesn't he talk about the fact that there are working-class people banding together to protect their rights as workers?
00:08:11.000You know, this is really interesting because when I was reading about this protest, it sounds so much like Occupy Wall Street.
00:08:17.000It sounds like how they went after Occupy.
00:08:19.000And then my response was, hey, you know, radical left, the radical left did co-opt Occupy Wall Street and turn it into something else.
00:08:46.000I mean, it used to be, you look back in the 60s, you know, Reagan was governor of California, the anti-war protesters.
00:08:53.000He didn't agree with them, but he'd meet with them.
00:08:54.000There used to be this tradition, you know, if you're a political leader and somebody's protesting and you don't agree with them, you try to at least meet.
00:09:01.000I mean, Justin Trudeau is not even prepared to meet with these guys.
00:09:15.000Well, whenever working-class people try to band together to have their voice heard, it's insinuated that there's something wrong with them as a group of people for reasons that have nothing to do with the actual cause they're arguing for.
00:09:26.000So, Tim mentioned Occupy Wall Street and how that was less partisan when it began.
00:09:29.000Interestingly enough, the Tea Party, which was generally to the right, was actually started on MSNBC.
00:09:35.000It was a left-wing pundit who said, we need a modern-day Tea Party because it is taxation without representation to spend money that future generations will have to pay off.
00:09:43.000Right, but then of course the Tea Party was instantly maligned as a racist movement, right?
00:09:48.000And there were politicians who claimed I can't remember who maybe you guys do but that they called them the n-word and
00:09:53.000other racial Slurs and all of the footage from the event show that that
00:09:58.000Right. That's the go-to thing now, unfortunately And look, I think we all agree that there are racists out
00:10:04.000there and they say racist things and do racist things But every single time now there's an event or in a protest
00:10:10.000this becomes kind of the shorthand prescription for what's wrong with the people or that they're
00:10:16.000all doing it. And I just don't buy it.
00:10:17.000I mean I'm sure that maybe there are a couple of knuckleheads that are doing stupid and hateful things among the group but The vast majority of them are just Canadian truckers.
00:11:02.000He said, people were waving hateful flags, including swastikas and the Confederate flag.
00:11:07.000Alright, well I did see a photo of someone with a Nazi flag and I'm genuinely confused by it, but like, I guess, you know, look, there are gonna be people and they're gonna do dumb stuff or have belief in bad things.
00:11:16.000The Confederate flag is the one that's really weird to me.
00:11:42.000I was at a protest in Boston, and it was Antifa on one side, the left and the right on the other side, and I was talking to some guy from the DSA, the Democratic Socialists of America, and I asked him what they were doing, what their plan was, and he was like, we just want healthcare for people and better policing.
00:11:58.000And I was like, what would you say to the critics who would say that you guys are just communists and that this is a front and once you get power?
00:12:04.000He was like, that's not true, we don't endorse that stuff.
00:12:07.000And then I asked him what he thought about the right.
00:12:09.000And he was like, look, you got a bunch of far-right extremists and racists.
00:12:12.000I mean, look, they're waving Confederate flags over there.
00:12:15.000And I was like, well, that's one guy with a Confederate flag.
00:12:17.000He's like, yeah, well, they're all standing around him, aren't they?
00:12:19.000And I was like, well, you guys are waving communist flags.
00:12:30.000And I was like, right, right, well the guy's over there, it's got one guy with a confederate flag.
00:12:33.000I mean, you don't want to throw everybody, lump every- I understand there's, you know, different groups of people here, and, you know, I don't know if they understand what they're saying when they lump everyone in.
00:12:42.000But it's the same old smear, and this one, I gotta admit, is just outright impressive.
00:12:47.000It's just like, the degree to which the media and the politicians are desperate to go, these Canadian men were waving confederate flags!
00:13:27.000Is there a story to go along with this?
00:13:29.000Yeah, there's a story that some of the people at the protest went to a homeless shelter and demanded they give food to the truckers.
00:13:35.000And the homeless shelter agreed to de-escalate things.
00:13:38.000And then I, you know, you know, I'm willing to bet.
00:13:40.000I'm willing to bet that it was like some people walked over the homeless shelter and said, hey, would you guys be willing to give food to the truckers?
00:13:51.000Something so like it's, it's, it's, it's mainstream press.
00:13:55.000I agree with you that it's probably blown out of proportion, but you do have to be careful with large groups of people moving across countries like that.
00:14:02.000Like I think about the, um, The Crusaders in the Crusades, man, because it would be all benevolent.
00:14:54.000And with the tens of millions of dollars raised, if it were me, this is what I'd do.
00:14:57.000I'd say, we're going to clean that up for you.
00:14:58.000We're going to cover the cost of that because we want to make sure, you know, in fact, I would even allocate money to general street cleaning.
00:15:04.000I'd say we're going to bring a lot of people, you know, we got a lot of trucks coming through.
00:15:07.000We want to make sure that we can leave the place where you live clean and tidy up.
00:15:11.000In fact, there was a, what was that protest where everyone cleaned up afterwards recently?
00:15:32.000I mean, you know, you've got these guys approaching us, where does this end?
00:15:35.000People are still, we have some superchats, you know, we save them for the end, but people are mentioning that the convoy is not even in the city yet.
00:15:51.000Well, I just want to say, I'm so proud of Canada and Canadians here.
00:15:55.000My whole life, I had this perception that they were much more complacent.
00:15:58.000And I think that's the image of them that sold to us, especially because their government is so much more restrictive than ours.
00:16:03.000But not long ago, I started to actually speak to people from Canada and I found that many of them are really quite convicted and, and based and actually understand what's going on and want to resist tyranny.
00:16:15.000And so I love that they're sending this message to the world.
00:16:30.000If you got to side with democratic freedom, democratic republicanism, or if you got to side with the monarchy, you side with democratic republicanism.
00:16:42.000They were like, we will not declare independence.
00:16:44.000You know it's an interesting point you make because I was just reading a book on the American Revolution, War for Independence, and you know I always kind of thought like everybody was on board with kicking the British out.
00:16:55.000And the best estimate was like one-third of them wanted independence, one-third of them were loyal, and the other third were kind of in between.
00:17:03.000And you kind of wonder, is that the way it always is?
00:17:05.000You know, these big changes that you have, what's going on in Canada right now, is it kind of the rule of thirds, right?
00:17:11.000That it's not an overwhelming majority of people, and you've got to persuade that other third.
00:17:15.000So the things you were talking about, about cleaning up the streets, about condemning things, that's a way to win that other third and get the majority.
00:17:22.000But I kind of feel like we're almost to the point where there is no other third.
00:17:25.000You know, we've looked at a lot of polling over the past several months.
00:17:29.000The independent base is melting as people keep switching.
00:17:34.000So there's people switching from, at least in the U.S., Democrat to Republican.
00:17:38.000Independents are being pulled left and right, with the biggest group of independents going Republican.
00:17:41.000The Republican Party is starting to balance out and gain on the Democratic Party.
00:17:53.000And it's the most insane thing because, I mean, I watch some conservative shows and I'm like, I can certainly see the difference between the show we do and the show they do, and so can our viewers.
00:18:03.000But if you're on the left, It's all right-wing.
00:18:05.000So when you get to that point, it's almost like, do you really win that third?
00:18:32.000It's a diminishing group to what it used to be.
00:18:35.000But I just want to believe and hope that there is a persuadable group in the country and that you can and that's why you need to do these things and demonstrate you know how important your views and values are and do things like you were saying clean up the streets and I think everyone is persuadable to a certain degree, and I think it's not about a middle ground, a one-third.
00:18:53.000I think we're actually looking at Democrat voter base.
00:18:56.000We're looking at default liberal types.
00:18:59.000I think that's what Andrew Breitbart called them.
00:19:13.000But I don't think, you know, it's large enough at this point.
00:19:17.000I think what's actually happening is shows like this, shows like Joe Rogan and other, you know, other shows, even conservative ones and even some left ones like Jimmy Dore, are eroding at the establishment narrative.
00:19:28.000And it's resulting in people just saying, I'm done with that group of people, the celebrity message.
00:20:12.000These are not irresponsible teenagers who are going out trying to destroy things like we saw for an entire summer.
00:20:17.000And that was never condemned by any of the people who are condemning all of these truckers for something that a fringe minority within their group is doing and who, quite frankly, we don't even know is a fringe minority within their group.
00:20:26.000These could just be randos showing up.
00:21:20.000It's not just the former British colonies and the Commonwealth.
00:21:24.000There's parts of Europe, too, but it really does feel like... People say Western civilization and all that stuff, and I'm like, it is very much like Canada, the US, Australia, New Zealand, Britain, the Five Eyes spy club, whatever you want to call it.
00:21:35.000Certain parts of Europe, but you look to some of these European countries and they're like either getting rid of their COVID mandates completely and just going back to normal.
00:21:43.000And then you look at the United States, you look at Canada, you look at the UK and the same culture war thing is happening across the board.
00:21:51.000When I talk about, you know, the potential for civil war and stuff like that, I do find it fascinating that now the establishment left is completely on board with the narrative.
00:21:58.000You know, you've got this one guy who put out a book recently, The Next Civil War.
00:22:02.000You've got The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Atlantic.
00:22:04.000They're all now saying, like, where are we headed?
00:22:07.000And then if you actually, when we look at what's going on with the truckers, we look at how Trudeau responds.
00:22:11.000When they start claiming that working class people in trucks are like evil white supremacist Nazis and all that stuff, I'm like, there is no convincing this other side.
00:22:20.000You either concede to them, give them concession, or you assert yourself now and recognize the groups are two completely separate groups that will not ever work together.
00:22:29.000There's no convincing them because Klaus Schwab, and I don't want to put it all on you Klaus, there's probably other people involved, they don't want to not think this.
00:22:38.000They're intentionally choosing to believe that there's some sort of rift.
00:22:43.000So it's like you can't convince someone that is going to choose to believe it.
00:23:00.000Maybe, but Adrian Curry commented, too, that it's China that's sowing this dissent.
00:23:07.000I wonder what your thought is, Peter, on this culture war that's happening in Canada, the US, and the UK.
00:23:14.000Some have suggested, we've had guests on the show that say, you know, China's got troll armies that sow dissent and they push these messages and they're very divisive.
00:23:22.000So I'm wondering what your thoughts are.
00:24:37.000But how can you in any universe argue that America is this horribly unjust, bigoted society and say that communist China is a great place to live?
00:25:00.000The left is willing to The establishment left and many leftists, cultural leftists, lie, cheat, and steal to say whatever they have to say in order to win.
00:25:08.000They'll ban, censor, shut down, silence, etc.
00:25:11.000The right is constantly trying to play by some kind of rules.
00:25:14.000And I don't mean like the establishment right, I mean the culture war right, which includes libertarians, moderates, post-liberals, etc.
00:25:21.000They're constantly saying things that, you know, it's remarkable.
00:25:24.000I'm not going to get into the overt specifics, but it's obvious to anybody who watches, the right is constantly trying to have a conversation with the left that the left is uninterested in having.
00:25:32.000The left has asserted its position is true and unfalsifiable, and so be it therefore.
00:25:36.000But the right keeps saying, you know, oh, let's work out a deal.
00:25:39.000Simple example is like, you know, Joe Rogan and Spotify.
00:26:15.000Money wiped away because how dare you?
00:26:18.000But in the United States, we don't do that.
00:26:20.000To a certain degree, you'll get canceled if you cross the line and you lose, you know, because once again, it's the authoritarian left.
00:26:26.000But because of this power imbalance, and I would call it integrity and principle imbalance, China can look at someone like LeBron James and say, we're going to give you $10 million.
00:27:24.000I mean, as I point out in the book with LeBron James, everybody knows the recent thing about the tweeting about Hong Kong and how he was defending them.
00:27:32.000It goes back, I mean, he's been doing this for like 15 years.
00:27:34.000There was a crisis, you guys might remember, back in 2007-2008, Darfur.
00:27:41.000You had in Sudan, you know, 200,000 black Christians were slaughtered in the South by this regime.
00:27:46.000The regime was backed by the Chinese government.
00:27:49.000And there was actually a petition in the NBA to call out China because they were backing this regime that was slaughtering black Christians.
00:27:58.000And LeBron James refused to sign the petition.
00:28:01.000So for a guy who says black lives matter, as we all do, those black lives did not matter to him because he did not want to offend China.
00:28:18.000You're up top in a big 8,000 square foot cabin.
00:28:22.000The whole north face of the building is one big glass window, and you wake up, And you press the coffee button on your Keurig and it makes you a nice hot cappuccino and you walk to the window and you look out at this beautiful sunset and you smile to yourself and say, this $40 million cabin was worth selling out all of those suffering people and you sip it.
00:28:41.000And that's what I imagine is going through LeBron and all these other guys' heads when they buy these properties and the money is, they genuinely believe it's worth it.
00:28:49.000Well, and it's interesting that the people who are able to afford to buy off famous celebrities to espouse their political views are almost all on the left.
00:28:57.000And one question I want to pose to everybody is, when Justin Trudeau talks about these truckers, do you think he actually knows any?
00:29:04.000Do you think Justin Trudeau has anyone in his life who does that professionally?
00:29:12.000Not necessarily of income inequality, but of economic stratification.
00:29:17.000So in the past, income inequality existed, but you were hanging out with people who were in different income brackets.
00:29:22.000You knew farmers, you knew plumbers, you knew people who were in the working class, even if you had an accounting job.
00:29:29.000And a lot of that was the community that was built up at your church, and I can testify to that as well.
00:29:34.000At my church and in my social group, we're fortunate enough to have all sorts of people from different economic brackets because we're focused on a larger mission.
00:29:43.000But nowadays, people really gravitate towards their own in-group with respect to wealth, and then they sort of pat themselves on the back because they think their particular in-group, because it's left-leaning, represents the views of the working class.
00:29:56.000But then when they hear what actual working-class people have to say, they lose their minds.
00:29:59.000So I think at the end of the day, a question that you need to ask yourself about any political leader is, Is this a person who would fit in better with, like, Walmart shoppers or Whole Foods shoppers?
00:30:09.000And Justin Trudeau is not gonna fit in with a group of people who live normal lives.
00:31:10.000And I honestly think that when it comes to people like Trudeau, or when it comes to so many of these woke left-wing people, first of all, having those views is almost certainly an indicator that you spend most of your time with really wealthy people.
00:31:22.000And secondarily, if you do hold those views, generally when you're dealing with a working class person, it's because you're telling them what to do, and they have to because it's their job.
00:31:31.000And so I think that's a big part of the reason why they're completely unwilling to negotiate.
00:31:37.000Because from their perspective, they always get to tell people in this bracket what to do, and they obey.
00:31:42.000So when they stand up for themselves, they can't stand it.
00:31:44.000It's not just that they can't stand it, they can't even comprehend it.
00:32:00.000He's supposed to be a servant, but you know, it's interesting at the heart of what you're saying and what you, Seamus, were saying earlier.
00:32:08.000There's a quote in the book I have, because the Trudeau family has this long history of relationship with the Chinese government.
00:32:13.000And there's this amazing question that Justin Trudeau is asked in 2012.
00:32:44.000You know, it's Efficient, and he talks about climate change, and he says, you know, you don't have to debate all these things, you just get things done.
00:32:50.000You know how you respond to someone like that?
00:32:52.000Like, if I was sitting down, if I was talking to Trudeau and he said that, I'd be like, you know, Justin, spot on.
00:32:58.000I mean, when you've got a global pandemic, for instance, and you can just weld the doors shut for people, so they just die?
00:33:04.000You don't gotta worry about a pandemic!
00:33:22.000There's a certain efficiency to a dictatorship, and that's attractive to Justin Trudeau.
00:33:26.000And there's other people that say the same thing, but Trudeau, it's so interesting to me because it's exactly what you guys were saying earlier, that he doesn't have a connection People become just these objects you move around on the chessboard, right?
00:33:40.000If you don't have a connection with them, if you don't know truckers, if you don't know farmers, they're things to be moved around on a chessboard.
00:33:47.000And that's the mentality of a dictator.
00:33:49.000And I apologize if I was a little snide to you in my reply to you, sort of asking if Trudeau was a servant.
00:33:56.000I also think that it's so telling that when Trudeau is looking at communist China, the person he empathizes with is the dictator, the person in control.
00:34:05.000Like, he doesn't look at communist China and think about the people living there and how horrible that would be.
00:34:10.000He immediately associates himself with the communist dictator.
00:34:54.000So he was just raised psychotically in that environment?
00:34:57.000Yeah, I mean, it's funny when you look at the family history, like his dad, Pierre Trudeau, he was the one that opened up relations between Canada and China, diplomatic relations.
00:35:07.000And then when he left the prime ministership, and he had been like this pro kind of Mao, he wrote this like ridiculous book where he went to China, And he, you know, meets these, you know, pioneer children, you know, like these seven-year-old kids running around with the red flags and chanting these Maoist sayings, and he's saying this is the future of the country.
00:35:26.000But when he leaves the premiership in Canada, he opens up a consultancy, helping getting businesses juiced in with the communist leadership in China, because he had a good relationship with them.
00:35:37.000So that's where the Trudeau family money comes from.
00:35:41.000And so Justin grew up very privileged, courtesy of the fact that his dad was doing all these deals in mainland China.
00:36:12.000And that's sort of the background of what Justin Trudeau grew up in.
00:36:17.000What he heard from his dad, what he heard from his brother, and it now influences the way that he deals with China.
00:36:22.000So when he sees truckers, In Canada, you know, it's not hard to take a leap and say, this is the, you know, imagine how a Chinese leader would look at, you know, truckers in China if they were doing the same thing.
00:36:34.000He goes, you know, I really wish I could just take their organs.
00:36:36.000That would be such, it would be a far more efficient country.
00:36:38.000That'd be a way better way of doing things.
00:36:50.000You know, and you look at various things.
00:36:53.000You look at the donations that some of these guys that are connected to the regime are making.
00:36:58.000They're making donations to these divisive groups.
00:37:01.000You look at, I think, the whole question of COVID.
00:37:04.000I mean, I'm not an expert, but you at least got to entertain the idea that it was a lab leak.
00:37:09.000But, you know, in Congress, there hasn't been a single congressional hearing about the origins of COVID.
00:37:16.000And I'm convinced part of it is because Nancy Pelosi and her family have their deals with Canada.
00:37:20.000Well, there have been hearings that have addressed it.
00:37:22.000Yeah, but, yeah, Rand Paul has raised the question, but they, you know, to have a congressional hearing that says we're going to explore the origins of COVID and lab leak, Nancy Pelosi has refused to allow any of them being held on the House side.
00:37:35.000The other thing I would add is on China is look at the whole fentanyl, you know, issue.
00:37:41.000I mean, where's the fentanyl come from?
00:37:43.000And it's not just fentanyl, it's designer drugs as well.
00:37:45.000For those that aren't familiar, designer drugs typically are some kind of narcotic or drug that is slightly altered in such a way that it now is legal, although good luck explaining to the cop, the molecules that I have here are slightly different, but a lot of this stuff comes from China.
00:38:02.000They are producing drugs and shipping them over here illegally, and they're killing people.
00:38:07.000I mean, it's fourth and fifth generational war.
00:38:10.000It is indirect, but it is massively damaging, the fentanyl problem.
00:38:15.000And then potentially, the drugs that come here, designer drugs or otherwise, could be laced with something and cause even more problems.
00:38:21.000Yeah, this is the reversal of the Opium Wars.
00:38:34.000Well, you know, the Opium Wars, because of the opium trade in Asia, the British Empire and other powers sort of divided up.
00:38:42.000They were so hungry to get access to opium.
00:38:45.000and export it, that they took over portions of China.
00:38:49.000And China became, not completely, but kind of a vassal state.
00:38:52.000And they had a huge drug problem in China as well because of this demand.
00:38:55.000And then they finally gained enough sort of national sovereignty to sort of beat it away.
00:39:00.000But you actually find literature of Chinese military officers and others saying, when fentanyl comes up, well, this is revenge for the opium wars.
00:39:10.000Was that related to the Boxer Rebellion?
00:39:14.000But, but, you know, China has been obsessed and I understand because it's a terrible part of their history.
00:39:21.000with extracting revenge on the Western powers because they were so weakened.
00:39:25.000They were this empire that had been largely defeated by the West, and they want revenge.
00:39:30.000And you see Xi talks about this all the time.
00:39:33.000Talks about this all the time, that by 2049, they're going to seize the commanding heights on the global stage.
00:39:39.000They're going to overcome the United States, and there's going to be payback for what the Western powers did to his country 150 years earlier.
00:39:47.000So how does Klaus Schwab fit into this?
00:39:52.000Accelerating this communist insurgence into the United States?
00:39:55.000You know, it's so funny, on all these guys you look at, you know, like Elon Musk and these guys.
00:40:09.000And you have to decide with all these guys, whether it's Klaus Schwab, are they just doing it for the money?
00:40:15.000Um, or does some of them actually believe it?
00:40:18.000Um, and I think some of them actually believe it.
00:40:20.000I think a lot of them do it because they want access to China.
00:40:22.000They want access to the Chinese market.
00:40:25.000Uh, a guy like Klaus Schwab, I think is a true believer.
00:40:27.000And he said, you know, that, that, that, hey, they've got good market reforms in China and yeah, you know, it's, You got this dictatorship, but that's less important because they've got this market that they've set up.
00:41:01.000We were told for 30 years, for 30 years, if we just traded with them, if we just gave them, you know, access to our financial markets, if we let them watch our movies and, you know, buy our clothes, they're going to become more like us.
00:43:01.000He's the guy that throws people in jail and has them tortured.
00:43:04.000Now, why would you, as a smart guy like Ray Dalio, write something like that?
00:43:10.000And then you realize that he wrote that, he said a bunch of other nice things, and then his hedge fund got the first opportunity of any other hedge fund in the world to sell hedge fund products to the Chinese.
00:43:21.000I guess if you're elite, if you're extremely wealthy, you feel safe and secure in doing your dealings.
00:43:28.000And then it's the people of the world who suffer for it.
00:43:43.000But we do know statistically that people who trade on wall street are actually more likely to be psychopaths and sociopaths.
00:43:48.000Now I can't give someone that, that kind of diagnosis, but those are the behaviors of a psychopath to praise somebody who would do that kind of thing.
00:43:56.000We have this big story that I want to get into, and we find ourselves once again talking about Joe Rogan and Spotify, but this is a good example of the cultural imbalance.
00:44:05.000So, the quick story is that Spotify is announcing an edition of content warnings over the criticism of Joe Rogan and COVID-19 misinformation.
00:44:13.000But we never get this the other direction.
00:44:15.000When Rachel Maddow or Fauci or CNN puts out bunk garbage, Twitter does not flag them.
00:44:21.000You put out something that goes against Fauci or Maddow or CNN, Twitter flags you.
00:44:26.000So Joe Rogan has on Sanjay Gupta, Mike Osterholm, experts, establishment voices, nobody cares.
00:44:32.000He has on McCullough and Malone, and it's the apocalypse, Joni Mitchell, these old aging hippies are like, I want censorship here!
00:44:41.000To be fair, both Neil Young and Lofgren said, we don't want to censor Joe Rogan.
00:44:49.000We just want off the platform because we don't want to share it with him.
00:44:52.000Okay, that's actually respectable because that's the right thing to do.
00:44:56.000If I was on a platform and I was like, I don't like that they support hate speech, I'll leave.
00:45:08.000So long as this imbalance exists, we are all being pulled hard towards the authoritarian side of things.
00:45:15.000That being said, a story like this, I think, just shows they have no effective means of stopping Joe Rogan, real conversations, conversations like this.
00:45:24.000So, despite this being kind of bad, here's the big update.
00:45:28.000Spotify shares recover after Joe Rogan addressed the vaccine controversy as Taylor Swift fans call on her to pull her music from the streaming service.
00:45:38.000Spotify may suck on pay rates and all that, but the moment they come out and say, oh, okay, we'll do this little content warning, which ultimately I think will do nothing, it may be a net negative in certain capacity.
00:45:49.000The Spotify shares rebound and I think, you know, Joe and everyone else is going to pull out of this and they're going to walk away from this unscathed.
00:45:54.000Yeah, I think the thing that helps Joe Rogan here is he's such an important part of the company because he's got such a massive audience.
00:46:01.000The interesting question, and I don't know the answer to it, is Spotify has a number of large Chinese investors that own portions of that.
00:46:52.000The gross national product of the United States is like 21 trillion.
00:46:56.000So they manage almost like 50% of the United States gross national product financially.
00:47:02.000So they are the 900-pound gorilla of world finance.
00:47:06.000I want to show something real quick before we get into that in reference.
00:47:09.000This is something I've shown on the show before, but we'll show again in this context.
00:47:12.000This is something I posted, and I want to just issue the disclaimer before going through this.
00:47:17.000Black Rock owns basically everything, right?
00:47:19.000So, I'm not trying to post these things to make an assertion of some grand conspiracy, but I think it's important to show the business connections.
00:47:26.000So this is, Neil Young sells catalog rights to Mercuriatus' Hypnosis.
00:47:34.000Blackstone and Hypnosis Song Management launch a billion dollar partnership.
00:47:38.000Blackstone announced his appointment of Jeffrey B. Kindler, former chairman and CEO of Pfizer, as a senior advisor.
00:47:43.000Spotify to pull Neil Young's music, objecting to Joe Rogan.
00:47:46.000So, not that I think it's necessarily evidence that someone at Blackstone, you know, put to the phone and said, we need to pull a Neil Young on this one and get him.
00:47:55.000But it shows that it very well may have been a meeting where they're just like, look, Joe Rogan's show is bad for us.
00:48:34.000Every company listed here has to put in its company charter that the Communist Party of China gets the final decision in every corporate decision.
00:48:43.000Now, this had to be voted on by the shareholders in these companies, right, in Hong Kong.
00:48:48.000So Vanguard, you know, big financial company, votes against it.
00:49:22.000Yeah, it is growing fast, 7-8% clip, and they're expected to surpass us in a few years.
00:49:27.000So I wonder if, you know, we look at stuff like Joe Rogan's show and the fact that he's just some regular guy, kind of comedian, populist, being so successful.
00:49:37.000I look at a lot of this and I'm like, clearly the free speech is winning.
00:49:40.000But in the long run, China's growth outweighs ours.
00:49:43.000Will it matter if we have cultural victories when the economic victory is in China's lap?
00:49:48.000It's a good question, and I think it depends on what we think the average American's going to do.
00:49:53.000I still think the average American is the center of gravity, ultimately.
00:49:57.000If the average American rises up and says, we're not going to tolerate this, they can still win over elites.
00:50:03.000And I want to believe that there's still the fight there, right?
00:50:05.000That the average American, when they see these things being eroded, they get pushed far enough, they're going to stand up and say, push no more.
00:50:14.000Yeah, but I think what we saw with the, uh, with the COVID lockdowns, a good portion of this country are just like, tell me what to do and I'll do it.
00:50:21.000Although they didn't, you know, they didn't lock down in certain states because I knew they couldn't get away with it, but you're right.
00:50:41.000There was a I got a Facebook reminder and it was like old memories and it was a post I made in 2017 where I was like authoritarian dictatorship is coming to the United States.
00:50:51.000I said The conspiracy theory is Trump being the Trojan horse for authoritarianism because he will be demonized and vilified to the point where it rallies the left into accepting authoritarianism.
00:51:03.000And then in the name of stopping the rise of fascism, you get hardcore far left pro-China.
00:51:10.000And then, you know, it was kind of just like something I'd seen on the Internet and I typed up.
00:51:14.000But there's there's other theories, other other, you know, I shouldn't say theories, but like people genuinely believe if it came to like Donald Trump winning in 2024, that people in California would clap and cheer when China landed, you know, U-boats or something on the shores to come in and save them from fascism or something like that.
00:51:37.000It's always I'm going to protect you from this terrible, evil thing that's even worse than me.
00:51:42.000Well, so I don't know if you saw the Boston Globe story from 2020 election where they said, you know, it was like Podesta and Donna Brazil were war gaming as the Democrats and they had pressured the West Coast states to secede from the union should Donald Trump win.
00:51:56.000Now, if that kind of sentiment actually did exist, what do you think?
00:51:59.000Like, let's imagine there is some kind of national divorce or whatever.
00:52:02.000And then come 2024, Donald Trump is like, you know, got his hand on the Bible and he's like, I am the new 47th president or whatever.
00:52:08.000And then California, Oregon, Washington, they're like, yo, we out!
00:52:33.000And unfortunately, there are a substantial number of Americans, I would say mostly on the political left, although there's probably some on the right, that actually fear their fellow Americans more than they fear a regime in China or these other cases.
00:52:51.000Yeah, I mean, I mean, look at the defense that the establishment waged for China when Trump was engaging in the trade war and things like that.
00:52:58.000It was like, oh, this is wrong and bad.
00:53:41.000I don't think it has the widespread support that people think it does.
00:53:44.000I think it's very akin to the Soviet Union.
00:53:46.000You have this cast of people on the top that benefit from the system, but you've got a lot of people that are resentful of it.
00:53:53.000In China, you have the economic growth you didn't have in the Soviet Union, but you have a huge problem in the fact that, you know, China had this one child policy for so long.
00:54:04.000And so what ended up happening was, you know, parents want to have one child, they wanted to be a boy, they didn't want to be a girl, because the boy is going to provide for them in their old age.
00:54:13.000So the estimates are that in some cases, you know, within the demographic group of like 25 to 40 year olds, there may be like 150 million more men in China than there are women.
00:54:25.000Now that that is grounds for a civil war in that country.
00:54:39.000Yes. So those are going to be guys who can't get women can't get dates in cells.
00:54:44.000Seriously. And they're going to they're going to lose it.
00:54:46.000I mean, it's not it's not about making fun of neckbeards.
00:54:49.000It's not about making fun It's about young men who have literally no opportunity to have to fulfill a Massive internal desire for having a family right and they are going to have nothing.
00:55:00.000Yeah, they're gonna lose their minds well when you look at the vast majority of the crime problem in this country including really heinous Insane crimes that rarely occur such as massacres or school shootings or whether it's just street crime like a burglary They're almost all committed by men who feel as if they have no buy-in to the system And they have no way to rise up and be successful
00:55:23.000And a huge part of that is the ability to start a family.
00:55:35.000And it's such an important part of being a man and a productive person in general.
00:55:38.000And so if China has 150 million men who have no prospect of ever being with a woman, that is going to be unbelievably and horrifically damaging to that country.
00:55:52.000colonization. Yeah. So we are seeing the modern form of colonization from China
00:55:56.000as many people who live there to escape crowding and find better you know
00:56:01.000better better lives are leaving the country. So a lot of these young men
00:56:06.000might just say I've got to leave China and go somewhere else to try and find a
00:56:09.000life. And I just want to make this clear what I'm talking when I'm talking about
00:56:12.000men who have no buy-in to the system I'm not I'm not talking about like oh
00:56:15.000they're not accountable for their actions or something like that.
00:56:17.000But the link I'm trying to draw is usually when we talk about someone like a school shooter, for example, we'll, we'll highlight the fact that this was an incel, right?
00:56:24.000And like, these are, it's really, it's not exactly the perfect term for it, but it's like you have 150 million incels.
00:56:31.000You could get them VR porn, but I don't know if sticking people in a machine with digital pornography is enough to make them not psychotically... I mean, it's another kind of psychosis.
00:56:51.000I wonder if China's gonna stick a bunch of people in pods, try and generate their piezoelectric heat for electricity and hope they don't go crazy.
00:56:58.000I'm with you to a certain degree, Ian, like VR girlfriends and stuff like that to try and, you know, or like robots or something to try and, you know, calm the rage.
00:57:09.000But I don't know about pulling a matrix on them in that capacity.
00:58:22.000You've got a clique that's running the country that is oppressing the rest of them.
00:58:26.000And then you've got the ordinary Chinese who, you know, cannot be that happy with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:58:31.000Well, let's talk about what's going on at home for a minute to see if we can clean up the mess down here.
00:58:34.000We got the story from the New York Post.
00:58:36.000Hunter Biden's former business partners cooperated completely with feds in tax probe.
00:58:42.000The New York Post reports Devin Archer, who was awaiting sentencing in an unrelated fraud case, is among four people reportedly referenced in a May 15, 2019 subpoena, first reported by the Post, sent to JPMorgan Chase Bank for records related to any transaction involving the Bank of China.
00:58:57.000The others include James Biden, a younger brother of President Joe Biden.
00:59:00.000A partial copy of the subpoena was posted online by the Marco Polo USA Research Group, headed by Garrett Ziegler, who worked as a White House policy analyst under former President Trump.
00:59:13.000Mr. Archer was not aware of the specific subpoena from 2019, which appears directed to a bank.
00:59:17.000His lawyer, Matthew Schwartz, told The Post in an email.
00:59:20.000But Mr. Archer has cooperated completely with the Delaware U.S.
00:59:23.000Attorney's Office investigation from the moment he became aware of it.
00:59:27.000So, they're looking into transactions involving China.
00:59:30.000The first thing I want to say is, look, there may be some connection to Hunter Biden, but if you were to ask me, do I think anything in terms of accountability would happen to the Biden family, I would say probably not.
00:59:42.000Maybe if Donald Trump gets elected in 2024.
00:59:45.000But Peter, you seem to be much more of an expert than I, so what do you think?
01:00:01.000I mean, one of the things that troubled me the most in this new book, you know, I did the first Hunter Biden China stuff back in 2018 in a book that I wrote.
01:00:09.000And at that time, it was a story of, like, corruption and cronyism and self-dealing and all that.
01:00:15.000What we did more recently for this book is we went through the Hunter Biden laptop and we went through some of the emails of one of his business partners who gave us access to his Gmail account and we wanted to figure out, so the Biden's got all these deals in China that Hunter wasn't qualified for.
01:01:56.000Nobody disputes they got the $31 million.
01:01:58.000And now you've got the fact that the people that made these deals happen all have these intelligence links.
01:02:04.000It's completely compromised, and I think that Congress needs to hold those hearings and they need to get the Bidens under subpoena to testify in front of Congress to explain it.
01:02:35.000Look, I think at this point, we look at all the past stories we've already discussed, the split between the left and the right.
01:02:42.000I think it's fair, if I were to ask all of you listening, do you think when it comes to, you know, say Joe Rogan or anybody else, that the left would be willing to compromise and say, oh, okay, we'll concede this point?
01:03:28.000And the judge basically refused to rule on it during the 2020 election because they said, you wait until after your guy already lost to file this.
01:03:54.000At what point do people just say, the system is clearly broken, there's not going to be accountability, so it's going to be lawfare, effectively.
01:04:02.000If the, you know, policy law fair, whatever, the Republicans win the House and the Senate, they're going to impeach Joe Biden for the sake of it.
01:04:09.000But this time, will they be able to muster up enough to actually get a conviction?
01:04:30.000I mean, the scenario you laid out is, is accurate and scary.
01:04:34.000And part of it is, there's not a sense, I mean, you guys disagree with me, obviously, if you do, there just is not a sense of truth with a capital T anymore.
01:04:45.000It's like, it's, you know, in the case that you're talking about the judge, it's not a question of the merits of the case or the evidence, it's who's bringing The facts and the evidence.
01:04:54.000I mean, I face the same thing all the time.
01:04:56.000People say, oh, you know, these are just right-wing attacks against the Bidens.
01:04:59.000And I'm like, explain to me which of these facts are right-wing.
01:05:02.000I mean, they're all from Chinese corporate documents and Hong Kong financial records.
01:05:07.000There's no right-wing facts and left-wing facts.
01:05:09.000They're facts and you can debate them and you can say whether they're accurate, but we've reached this point.
01:05:15.000It's like this post-truth element where it doesn't really matter whether it's true.
01:05:19.000It's who's actually bringing the evidence, and I'm going to attack the messenger rather than actually deal with the underlying evidence.
01:05:40.000You know, they call me right-wing and I'm like, well, look, I'm centrist, so I can understand why they view me and they'll say those things.
01:05:44.000But like, come on, Jimmy's basically a socialist.
01:05:46.000And I don't mean that disrespectfully.
01:05:48.000I mean, I think he calls himself that and they're starting to argue that he's like a right-wing grifter.
01:05:52.000So clearly left and right just means who side, it just means team A, team B. It doesn't even mean left and right anymore.
01:06:27.000Yeah, we're built on a house of cards.
01:06:29.000And if we start moving these cards around, there's a chance the entire thing's gonna this is one of the theories that that a friend of mine, who's in DC, former member of Congress said, you know, I said, you know, they won't have these hearings on, you know, the origins of COVID.
01:06:43.000And he said, Well, of course, they won't.
01:06:49.000Oh, Yeah, we had Tom Garrett on, and he mentioned that when he was in Congress, the Republicans would come to him and be like, well, don't actually support our bill.
01:06:59.000Because then if we win, what do we have left?
01:07:01.000And so there were very much often stories like that, or stories of Republicans being like, oh, we can't support that bill.
01:07:15.000Well, and this is why I mean, look at the rise, you know, like you and Joe Rogan and some of the other people out there.
01:07:22.000I mean, you obviously have to be courageous what you're doing, but part of it is to you have a basis of financial independence based on the business that you've developed.
01:07:33.000I mean, you think about people that get canceled, you know, people that need to fit into the establishment as part of their business model.
01:07:41.000If you don't have that independence, I mean, you're screwed.
01:07:44.000And so, you know, when you're talking about truth and how much truth do the average Americans want, You just look at leaders and they may know what the truth is, but they can't discuss it and enunciate it because it could destroy their livelihood.
01:07:59.000They don't have the independence that you have and other people have.
01:08:02.000Well, I'll tell you one thing that really drives a lot of these left activist types nuts is that Here, we have no investors, no big institutional investors in any way.
01:08:12.000And so there's always this narrative of like, oh, this person is funded by the Koch brothers or the Mercers.
01:08:18.000And I've seen activists try to make that claim, like, he must be getting funding from them.
01:08:22.000And it's like, no, just regular people are sick and fed up and have started to fund conversations that they think works for them.
01:08:30.000For someone like Joe Rogan, I don't think he runs any kind of membership thing, he's just got ad revenue.
01:08:35.000But I'm pretty sure if the Spotify thing with Rogan resulted in him getting booted, and he announced sign up for Joe Rogan Premium, he'd be making 100 times, 10 times as much money than he's making now.
01:08:47.000$100 million Spotify deal with 11 million listeners per episode?
01:08:51.000Imagine if he got 1% to give 10 bucks per month.
01:09:01.000They fear the fact that you've got subscribers.
01:09:03.000They fear that there are these other independent sources of information out there because they can't get to the nub of it and they can't eliminate it.
01:09:12.000And that's really, unfortunately, what the left wants is they want dominance.
01:09:17.000And here's the interesting question that I would ask you, because I have a theory on this.
01:09:20.000You know, the left wants to shut down debate.
01:09:23.000It comes from a position of, you know, real cultural strength.
01:09:29.000But I think it really shows their profound intellectual weakness.
01:09:34.000Because if they really believe, I mean think about this, they shut down all these speakers from going on college campus.
01:09:39.000If they really felt like these conservative speakers going on college campus are these crazed, you know, racists, misogynists, whatever.
01:09:48.000I'd say let them stand up there and embarrass themselves, but they don't want them to speak because they know the power of the ideas.
01:09:56.000They fundamentally lack confidence in their own ideas.
01:10:01.000I think also on top of that, even if you did hear that person's ideas and reject them on their merits, it wouldn't be good enough for the left because they don't want you to reject someone because you thought for yourself and decided to reject them.
01:10:11.000They want you to reject somebody because they told you to.
01:10:48.000You know, for the longest time when all media was controlled, when there were only a few broadcast towers to consume from, there was very little right-wing conversation happening.
01:10:57.000The establishment just controlled it all, and it was fairly moderate, left-leaning, and slowly moved drifting left.
01:11:01.000With the rise of the Internet, all of a sudden you ended up with right-wing spaces, areas where individuals could now start speaking and communicate and maintain their value systems.
01:11:09.000And that's been an impossibility for the left.
01:11:12.000But with that internet as well, you end up with the left moving 10 times faster than they ever did, pulling further and further to the left, spiraling out of control.
01:11:21.000But aside from that, I'll just make the point about Joe Rogan.
01:11:24.000In talking about what the left believes and what Seamus was saying, Everybody, it's almost pointless to even say, because so many people have made this point already, that none of these people complaining about Joe even watch his show.
01:11:42.000And the example I like to use is, this guy I know posted a meme, a tweet, in reference to Joe Rogan.
01:11:49.000and a guy said in Germany we have a saying if there are 11 people at a table and one of them
01:11:55.000is a Nazi and the other 10 are talking to him you have 11 Nazis and I mean that's a psychotic
01:12:01.000statement because there's so much nuance there is he there because it's a it's a you know did
01:12:06.000the Nazi go to a meeting to de-radicalize the other 10 people like former you know people
01:12:11.000trying to de-radicalize him right Right.
01:12:12.000But the fascinating thing there is that the point they're making about Joe is that it doesn't matter how many people he has on that support the narrative, if he brings on one who doesn't, it's all bad and it must be, you know, just removed or banned.
01:12:23.000In Germany, the story I like to bring up is when there was a journalist and Luke, Luke Rutkowski, who was on the show for a decent amount of time and now he's in Florida, He was walking down the street when someone yelled randomly, Nazi Schweinhund, and pointed at him and this other journalist.
01:12:38.000So other random people who had no idea who he was started physically attacking him.
01:12:43.000Another guy we know was a journalist and someone screamed at him randomly, Nazi Schweinhund.
01:12:49.000And so guys ran up, jumped him and started punching him in the head and grabbed his camera from him.
01:12:53.000And it's like, he's just some journalist guy.
01:13:16.000And then I think the question is, if 11 people being at a table and one of them being a Nazi means that all 11 are Nazis, is Daryl Davis a Klansman for going to talk to people in the KKK and trying to de-radicalize them?
01:13:26.000Do you see what happened when Daryl Davis went to our event?
01:16:29.000They were big on weeding out the right.
01:16:31.000And I don't want to find ourselves in the same position inadvertently weeding out the leftists, like making the other out of this idea of a leftist.
01:16:40.000Because that's exactly what Mao was doing.
01:16:43.000So I don't want to divide people in that sense.
01:16:46.000I understand there is a psychosis going around right now.
01:16:50.000You know, Ian, I hear you and I agree with you, but I also want to make the point that I made earlier that there's a hard line when the left, for the most part, is almost absolute in their belief structure.
01:17:05.000They don't listen to Joe Rubin's podcast, but they want him purged.
01:17:08.000They go around and destroy and smash up businesses and burn down buildings.
01:17:12.000And as long as, you know, someone like you is constantly saying like,
01:17:15.000oh, well, we shouldn't demonize these people and we should figure out a way to like, you know,
01:17:19.000avoid that conflict. They're going to say, thank you for conceding and giving us more power.
01:17:23.000We'll exploit you for that. Maybe it could be punish the behavior, but not the people.
01:17:27.000Well, and I would also say too, I mean, to Tim's point, you have this hardcore element that does
01:17:34.000And then you have what used to be called fellow travelers, right?
01:17:37.000These are the guys that kind of went along and they're not as strongly committed.
01:17:42.000And maybe those are the ones you're talking about.
01:17:43.000The big question, though, is, Tim, I don't know what you think about this is, you know, what portion of the of the left are hardcore left and what portion are followers?
01:17:55.000I do think, if we look at the polling data, we mentioned, I mentioned this earlier, we're seeing an erosion from, we're seeing a larger portion of Democrat aligned individuals becoming Republican as opposed to the opposite.
01:18:07.000That, it shows the Democratic Party is eroding.
01:18:10.000I don't think the Republican Party is the solution.
01:18:13.000I do think the people that are joining the Republicans are doing it out of frustration and looking for some kind of meaningful opposition they're not going to find.
01:18:19.000But, you know, I think that's the difference.
01:18:22.000The people who are in the Democratic alignment are probably default liberal followers or willfully ignorant and willfully going along with it.
01:18:30.000The issue is, you know, here's the point I was making earlier, Ian.
01:18:35.000The Chinese Communist Party is absolute.
01:18:37.000If you oppose the Chinese Communist Party, you must be stopped at all costs.
01:18:40.000In the United States, we're allowed to speak out and smack talk our leaders and our politicians.
01:18:45.000We're allowed to insult the Democratic Party to a great extent.
01:18:51.000Goodwill that we are allowed, that freedom is exploited by the authoritarians.
01:19:40.000So at a certain point, you just say, I'm going to stop right here, I'm going to stay here.
01:19:43.000Look, you know, for the longest time, the Republican Party has very much been like, we're going to stop and stand right here, and it hasn't worked.
01:20:17.000Explode into super and then they'll all like find the love that's kind of my no But one one option is to plant yourself like a tree and say these are my principles I will not move but the olive branch is available to you anytime you come here and knock on my door So I will not keep saying like, you know, look they want to ban Joe Rogan Why don't we offer a concession and just put warning label?
01:20:38.000No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no If you don't like it, you know, Joni Mitchell and Neil Young and Nils Lofgren, you're free to leave.
01:21:06.000Peter, I have somewhat of an answer to your question.
01:21:08.000It's not perfect, it's not airtight, but it's just based on my experiences when you're sort of asking how many of these people are just regular Democrats and how many of them are extremists.
01:21:16.000So again, small sample size and a biased sample size.
01:21:20.000But I went to an art school, and the politics were generally very left-leaning.
01:21:26.000However, every left-leaning person, and I mean really far to the left-leaning person, who I spoke with one-on-one or had conversations with behind closed doors or happened to hang out with, were much more willing to entertain conversations that would have been forbidden to them when other people weren't around.
01:21:42.000And they were more likely to tell jokes that would be considered offensive or laugh at jokes that I told that would be considered offensive.
01:21:47.000They were more likely to go there with you.
01:21:50.000And I think it's no mystery, because leftism is fundamentally a collectivist philosophy, That lefties are kind of only lefties when there's more than one of them around.
01:22:01.000If you catch one of these people by themselves, they're so much more reasonable.
01:22:05.000But as soon as they get into a group, they will not entertain anything you tell them.
01:22:09.000And I've had conversations with left-leaning people where I got them to admit things and accept things that they would never acknowledge in front of a group of people, ever.
01:22:22.000I can't remember which one this one was.
01:22:24.000But it was the one where that young woman got punched in the face and that video went viral.
01:22:29.000And there was this one guy who was in a video with her, and after everything was dispersing and people were fleeing, I started talking to him.
01:22:34.000I was asking him about what was going on.
01:22:36.000He showed me his knife, and he's like, I gotta bring my knife, man, because these people are far right.
01:24:10.000But these other guys, you know, when you isolate these people, that's how they get away with it.
01:24:16.000They isolate these young activists, fill their heads with lies, and then tell them, don't talk to them because they'll lie to you, and they're grifters, and they'll try and trick you, and then these people get scared.
01:24:27.000You know, the other thing is, cancel culture isn't about canceling the right to a great degree.
01:24:31.000A lot of people on the right or the left are trying to censor us, and that's true, it's true.
01:24:34.000But one thing, one part of cancel culture you need to understand is that it's an enforcement for the cultural left on the cultural left.
01:24:40.000If you are a leftist and you speak out, we will come for you.
01:24:43.000So shut your mouth and do as you're told.
01:24:46.000The right, for the most part, they're defiant.
01:24:50.000They're like, screw you, ban me, and then they get banned.
01:24:52.000The cancel culture makes fear among the ranks of default liberals, where they're like, look, I can't speak up, I'll lose my job.
01:24:59.000So part of this, uh, what you were talking about Seamus of this pack and Tim, you seem to have the same experience.
01:25:04.000You think this fact that the more intolerant as a group, that's a function of this enforcement mechanism you're talking about.
01:25:11.000And maybe there's a little bit of virtue signaling there as well, right?
01:25:14.000You don't want to admit around your friends that, that, uh, you know, the other person has common sense.
01:25:19.000Is there anything more to it than that?
01:25:21.000I mean, so I had a friend reach out to me during the Nick Sandman debacle, and they were very on the left, and I always knew them as a left-winger, and they said, I think this is insane.
01:25:32.000The people I'm surrounded with and close to all think it's completely normal.
01:25:36.000And then there's part of me that wonders, do they?
01:25:38.000Like, you're reaching out to me because you know I'm your right-leaning friend.
01:25:40.000Maybe they're reaching out to their, like, right-leaning friend and saying the exact same thing.
01:25:45.000I gotta tell you, it is absolutely mind-boggling having one-on-one conversations with critical race theory lefty types when their brains just break.
01:25:57.000The question I always ask them is, are you a fan of Martin Luther King Jr.?
01:26:02.000Do you agree with his dream speech that one day his four little children will be judged On the content of the character of the color of their skin like absolutely and then I'm like so do you think it's right to judge?
01:26:12.000People based on the color of their skin or to view them based on their race principally and they're like yes And then I'm just like doesn't that kind of contradict that statement you just look well You got to understand the nuances of what dr. King really meant and I'm like I'm pretty sure he did not mean that we should be judging people like he said it pretty explicitly, but that's the question I always start with cuz I'll be like, you know, I tell people like look I You don't need to lie to me and claim you like Dr. King out of some social moral obligation.
01:26:39.000It's absolutely okay if you want to come out and tell me you think he was wrong.
01:26:42.000I'm not going to get mad at you for it.
01:26:46.000But because it is socially unacceptable to oppose the teachings of Dr. King, and some of them were good and some of them were bad, I mean he's not a perfect guy or anything like that, that these people simultaneously hold contradictory views.
01:26:56.000The modern view is that racial identitarianism among the left is a mandate, but also Dr. King is a mandate as well, but they clash.
01:27:04.000You know, Derrick Bell is not a fan of those ideologies, and that's critical race theory.
01:27:09.000Yeah, so in a way, Malcolm X won, right?
01:27:11.000The debate between Martin Luther King Jr.
01:27:13.000and Malcolm X in the 60s about, you know, how the black community should go forward.
01:27:18.000Critical race theory is basically Malcolm X won, that racial identity is a key element to who you are as a person.
01:27:25.000It's remarkable that we still live in a society where everyone recognizes that racial identitarianism is wrong, but the left routinely somehow advances the cause of racial identitarianism and these left activists, more pronounced Democrat types, simultaneously hold or espouse both views at the same time.
01:28:32.000The answer is typically class-based or education-based or something like that.
01:28:36.000But I think critical race theory, wokeism, and these ideas are just used as a cudgel by the left because they know it is socially acceptable to say Martin Luther King Jr.
01:28:45.000was correct, and to oppose that, you'll be viewed as a racist.
01:28:49.000People don't want to be racist, so the left just decided, we can use this as a cudgel to beat anyone who opposes us and to scare them.
01:28:55.000Yeah, well, now we're at the point where they're like, you're a racist, you're a racist, and everyone's just like, hey, shut up.
01:29:01.000But as I was saying, you know, cancel culture very much is for the left.
01:29:06.000They want to make sure anybody on the left is scared to speak out.
01:29:09.000They're scared to come on shows like this, because if they did, I'll tell you what, we've invited people on the left to come on the show, and they would, some, have agreed to, but then at the last minute refused to.
01:29:20.000And, you know, without saying who specifically, I might have already said this in the past, but I'll just say without saying who, I think it's because if we got one of these leftists on the show with, say, Alex Jones or Steve Bannon, they would be saying, you're right, Steve.
01:29:44.000Yeah, well, and they eat each other and they know that.
01:29:46.000People in their in-group will single them out and say, this person isn't ideologically pure enough.
01:29:50.000I have a clip of them sitting across from Tim Poole saying, I agree with that point.
01:29:53.000He agreed with Tim Poole on something!
01:29:54.000He needs to be purged from the movement!
01:29:56.000It's like, it's like I pointed out in that meme, you know, the guy says in Germany, if there's 11 people, one's a Nazi and the 10 are talking to him, you have 11 Nazis.
01:30:03.000That's why the left is scared of cancel culture and this enforcement, and that's why they don't come on these shows.
01:30:09.000It's that meme that any sufficiently unmoderated forum will become right-wing.
01:30:43.000So where that ends up, I mean, honestly, it sounds like the left loses, because they'll just excise all of their members until there's nothing left.
01:30:52.000And so one thing you said earlier, which is a white pill, and which I wholeheartedly agree with, is that the corrupt authority structure of the Chinese government is actually quite brittle.
01:31:00.000Because when you are corrupt, of course, that means that your structure has less integrity.
01:31:07.000And so ultimately, even though I'm not like out to lunch here, I'm not saying there's nothing to be done.
01:31:28.000And the concentration of power, this is the thing that I always get excited about, right?
01:31:32.000The thing that fuels my desire to investigate corruption and the way that I view the world is I just have this profound distrust of people having a lot of power.
01:32:20.000And I think a lot of people have come there.
01:32:23.000A lot of dissolution people on the left were given, they were sold all these promises of what government was going to be able to do for them and help them.
01:32:30.000And of course we want government to help people in ways that it can, but it's been so disappointing
01:32:35.000in the promises that they offered and they've never delivered.
01:32:38.000And that's what's exciting when people start thinking about that.
01:32:59.000I'm sure the price went up in Canada just for all the truckers driving.
01:33:03.000Well, you know, eventually they all got to pull in and they're all fueling up and maybe some of them get in line in intervals and stuff, but probably, you know.
01:33:09.000No, I think I would piggybacking off of what you're saying and how there are some people who really do believe that the government is there to take care of them and sort of contrasting that to either a very cynical attitude or maybe even an optimistic attitude like the one that we share when it comes to truth and goodness.
01:33:25.000The naive person looks at a corrupt system and says, it's not going to affect me.
01:34:33.000And so I don't want to get obsessed with the truth.
01:34:36.000Because I think that can be weaponized.
01:34:38.000There's a good comic where it's two guys and there's a six or a nine, depending on which way you're standing, and they're both looking from different angles, pointing down, saying six, and the guy's saying nine.
01:35:21.000But I want to ask you something here, Peter, because The thing I really wanted to pick your brain about here is obviously you study political corruption a lot.
01:35:30.000What would you say is something that myself, Ian, Tim, Lydia, and the people in the audience probably haven't considered about corruption or some particularly corrupt elements within the system that aren't paid enough attention to?
01:36:19.000So, that to me is, I think, the biggest concern that we all have to have.
01:36:24.000People always say to me, well, is it illegal?
01:36:27.000And the answer a lot of times is, well, it'd be illegal if we did it, but it's not if they do it, because they got to write the rules, and they wrote it that way.
01:36:35.000And the insider trading on the stock market is the classic example of this.
01:36:41.000It was legal for a long time for members of Congress to do it, and then I wrote a book called Throw Them All Out, exposed it.
01:36:50.000They confronted Nancy Pelosi with all the stuff that she was doing, and then they passed a law, because people were so outraged, They passed a law called the Stock Act that was supposed to fix it.
01:37:00.000And then about four or five months later, in the House and the Senate, they had a voice vote, so nobody recorded the vote, to gut the bill.
01:37:09.000And Barack Obama, in the middle of the night, there was no rose garden ceremony like there was the last time, signed it.
01:37:16.000So it's bipartisan, and what you find a lot of times is, a lot of the combat you see going on in Washington, D.C., these guys are yelling at that guy, it's a little bit like professional wrestling.
01:37:26.000We're gonna have Marjorie Taylor Greene back on the show, and she made an excellent, uh, well she just, she told us something that was, you know, shocking to a lot of people, that Democrats and Republicans just sit in a room where they're like, okay we got a bill here in favor of Democrats, aye, Republicans, nay, Democrats get it, bang the gavel, moving on, there's no, they don't count the votes, they don't actually go through it, they don't debate it, it's just like, bang next, bang next.
01:39:06.000Rilo says, Tim, can you please clarify?
01:39:08.000When normal people cede ground to authoritarians, we are cowards, but when Rogan does it, it's tact.
01:39:13.000P.S., the Freedom Convoys must outlast government, else it will fail.
01:39:17.000Certain circumstances are ceding ground, and certain circumstances are tact, and certain circumstances are literally both.
01:39:24.000Joe Rogan is quite literally being tactful and ceding ground.
01:39:27.000I think there's reason to criticize, but there's also a conversation to be had about Spotify's shares recovered after he made the announcement.
01:39:37.000If we keep doing this... So this is literally what I said in the segment.
01:39:41.000If there are 100 grains of sand on the right and 100 grains of sand on the left, and we keep saying, well, to avoid losing 10 grains of sand, the right will give up but one.
01:40:01.000We don't think it's that big of a deal.
01:40:02.000My point is that it may be beneficial in the long run to retreat, because retreat in battle is sometimes the right move, but you can't only retreat.
01:40:26.000And I recognize that we're under constraints as well, which is why we created a speakeasy, as it were, where we talk about what we can on this show, which is most things that 1% we can't.
01:40:36.000We have over at TimCast.com, and we're starting to put up on podcast platforms where we don't, so actually putting up about We put up one uncensored show on Sundays now on that just because we want to get those conversations out and bypass the censorship I'm sorry, man.
01:41:19.000So there's, uh, all these people online, these lefty liberal types are complaining.
01:41:23.000They're like, it's so noisy and they're harassing me.
01:41:25.000It's like, yo, in 2012, there was something called the casseroles protest where people all across Canada were going outside banging pots and pans and it was super noisy and loud.
01:42:01.000Those who make peaceful revolution inevitable, I'm sorry, impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.
01:42:07.000So people need to have that medium between destruction and obstruction.
01:42:11.000And if a handful of people are like, I wanna get my message out there, so they block a road, okay, the cops come in, they remove them, we say, you're gonna get criminally charged for this.
01:42:19.000But we tolerate that level because we don't want people throwing firebombs.
01:43:30.000I have to go inside this building real quick.
01:43:32.000And then they closed the door and everyone's outside.
01:43:33.000When you write a bestselling book, you can have, that's like, well, what about the people who like gathered the lumber and then turned it into paper?
01:43:41.000And that like, there's so many people who worked at their jobs to make that book happen.
01:43:44.000Besides you, Bernie, why are you the millionaire?
01:44:36.000You know, so we need to home the homeless!
01:44:39.000That was always the funniest thing to me, because I worked for non-profits, and I'm just like, yo, why are we feeding people who don't have homes?
01:45:07.000Wait for Seamus to respond, because he'll falsely claim it was indentured servitude when there were distinctions between Jewish servants and heathen slaves.
01:45:17.000You have the old covenant and you have the new covenant.
01:45:19.000So you have laws that were specific to the Jewish people based on God's covenant with them as opposed to the natural law of the universe.
01:45:26.000So what I was talking about basically is that there are certain immutable moral laws of the universe that do not change and cannot change based on circumstance.
01:45:35.000So something like marriage falls into that category because thou shall not commit adultery as a commandment.
01:45:41.000So there has to be some sort of parameter for that.
01:45:44.000When it comes to the way the Old Testament discusses that, when you had wars, people would be captured as prisoners of war.
01:45:50.000Sometimes people would owe a debt and so they would work it off.
01:45:54.000It was not the same as the kind of chattel slavery that we refer to, but nonetheless the church condemns slavery and owning other people.
01:46:02.000You guys need to have a special conversation on religion that we could put up on the website.
01:46:07.000I mentioned that last time, but that would be great.
01:46:10.000Yeah, no, I think it would be- And we'd just put it up for free.
01:46:12.000We'd have like, you know, a religious conversation with the hippie DMT Ian and, you know, Seamus Religious.
01:46:20.000Also, wait, can I mention one thing, too, though?
01:46:22.000Christianity was so, from its inception, so anti-slavery that St.
01:46:27.000Patrick, who was taken a slave by the Irish, went back, evangelized Ireland, and within decades of his death, slavery had almost completely disappeared.
01:46:37.000in Ireland because the people had accepted Christianity.
01:47:37.000I'm not as well-versed on Canadian history, but there was a statue and they put the flag on him and the mandate freedom and everyone, you know, people got really mad about that.
01:47:43.000And I'm very much of the, I get they didn't vandalize it, they just put a flag on him and a cape or whatever, but, you know, my opinion is you gotta be very, very careful.
01:47:53.000About, you know, because there are people who are sitting at home who are probably confused.
01:47:56.000As much as I don't think there are a lot of regular people that aren't politically active these days, there are some, you know, and they're gonna be like, You've got to be the people who are shoveling the snow and cleaning up graffiti and waving to people with smiles on your faces as opposed to the rambunctious, you know.
01:48:12.000Isn't it the purpose of a journalist to investigate a story instead of going, oh, this is something that I want to have seen happen, so I'm going to report that it did?
01:48:19.000Like, shouldn't they be asking questions about who this person with the Confederate flag is?
01:48:33.000There was a viral video of a guy who showed up at a Patriot prayer event in, I think, near Portland, who had some kind of like, I think he had a Nazi flag or something, or he was yelling the N-word.
01:48:44.000And all the left was like, see, this proves it.
01:48:46.000And I'm like, yo, it's literally a video of the right-wing group kicking him out.
01:48:49.000I was like, I don't understand what this is.
01:48:52.000And they're like, yeah, well, he's with them.
01:48:54.000And I'm like, but they're kicking him out.
01:48:55.000Don't care if 11 people are kicking one Nazi out you have 12 Nazis All right Dennis says back in July last year when churches were being burned down Trudeau said it was a shame but understandable now It's unacceptable and disgusting to honk your horn for freedom.
01:49:59.000But we have awesome content creators, commentators, and YouTubers like Viva Frye, you guys should definitely subscribe to his channel, who goes out and actually shows you the truth that That is the power of the Internet.
01:50:11.000That's the positivity of the Internet.
01:50:13.000There are bad things, there's manipulation, but that helps us break through the lies.
01:50:17.000Tim, speaking of Luke's Super Chat, can we ask one question about Bill Gates and if there's any kind of connection to China?
01:50:22.000There's something you could say about the corruption with him, given your research.
01:50:29.000He thinks President Xi works very hard.
01:50:32.000For the Chinese people. He's an advisor to Xi. He's a member of this thing called the China
01:50:38.000Engineering Association And it's an advisory body to the government. He's invested
01:50:45.000in a lot of companies that help build up the Chinese military
01:50:48.000It's a huge problem Microsoft is very involved in artificial intelligence research in China, in laboratories where the Chinese military is doing that work.
01:51:00.000And in fact, Microsoft takes interns from the People's Liberation Army.
01:51:05.000So it's, it's, it's a, it's a crazy relationship.
01:51:08.000And Bill Gates is, is one of those guys who likes the Chinese model very well.
01:53:09.000Well, I mean, one super chat we had earlier was mentioning that the convoy was just still getting into Ottawa, and it was backed up, and more and more people are coming in.
01:53:16.000I want it all through the United States, man.
01:53:22.000People in the United States, yeah, truckers should... Look, here's the crazy thing.
01:53:27.000If you're in a truck and you pull into a city and you're legally allowed to drive there, it is very obstructive to that city, but no one is doing anything that borders on any illegality, right?
01:53:38.000So the interesting thing is when you take a boat like Extinction Rebellion did and put it in the middle of an intersection, you're blocking traffic, move, we refuse, you're under arrest.
01:53:48.000If everybody just drove their trucks into the city and just jammed everything up, it's literally just people driving on roads.
01:53:55.000There's nothing they can do other than everyone go and you go, okay, and you just turn left and you go back around.
01:53:59.000And it's like, what are they going to do?
01:54:02.000Well, and the other thing about truckers and the significance of this protest is they're not exactly a group of people which is generally outspoken.
01:54:08.000There are certain careers, which I will not name, that are sort of notorious for complaining about how underappreciated and undervalued they are.
01:54:16.000Truckers are extremely important, and you don't see them going out there, flaunting their stuff all the time, talking about how people need to be more considerate of them, talking about how people need to appreciate them more.
01:54:26.000So when they're willing to stand up and say, we're drawing a line, alright, treat us with some decency and respect, probably listen, not just because they bring you your food, but also because this is not a group of people which is constantly making demands on us.
01:54:38.000I hate to be Debbie Downer on this one.
01:54:40.000But I imagine people like Klaus Schwab are going, this is very good for us.
01:55:24.000I mean, the whole premise of the story was like all the people that make things happen in society, kind of, you know, the smart business, basically go on strike and leave.
01:55:33.000Like, in this case, it's the truckers doing it, right?
01:55:36.000They're the ones that are actually delivering the food.
01:55:53.000I want people to experience what it would be like without them, without actually taking it away from them, because I don't want to cause the suffering.
01:56:00.000It's like a horrible, horrible amount of suffering I would imagine would come out of that if that were to happen.
01:56:05.000There's a question about what it takes for someone to truly learn a lesson.
01:56:08.000And if these people keep voting in policies that are destroying the lives of everyone in this country because of
01:56:17.000If the people of New York keep voting in, nationally and federally, the same people, who then vote for policies that negatively impact people who live in the country, who don't want anything to do with their way of life, there comes a time where it's like, if the truckers protested, and they understood why their policies were bad, then maybe they'd be like, you know, maybe we should stop imposing our will on people who don't live here.
01:56:42.000It's a Family Guy episode, I think, where a murderer, uh, pokes himself, and he's in prison, and then, like, something happens, and he takes the knife, looks at it, and he stabs himself.
01:57:11.000It turns out that you would immediately run out of oxygen in hospitals, you'd run out of medicine in hospitals, you'd run out of food.
01:57:19.000You'd run out of water, you'd run out of fuel, you'd stop having trash emptied.
01:57:23.000And I tweeted, the trucker's convoy is making me think that our media and political classes might benefit from a few weeks without these distasteful cretins doing such unimportant work as bringing food to stores, removing waste, and bringing medicine and oxygen to hospitals.
01:57:35.000I really think that our politicians and media could do with it.
01:57:39.000The truckers could come out right now and say, we want everyone to know that we will be doing a general trucker strike over this for the next week.
01:59:11.000VR sex, VR girlfriends won't help anything for anyone.
01:59:14.000Yeah, also I want to mention before Ian responds to that, when I was discussing the fact that you do have this problem with young men who feel they have no bind to society doing horrific things, I'm not saying any person that you could consider an incel is going to be a violent or bad person.
01:59:29.000And I should point out, Seamus is the one that brought up incels earlier, not me.
02:01:20.000Thank you so much for stopping by and watching this.
02:01:22.000I love getting an opportunity to do the show.
02:01:25.000Firstly, I want to plug the after show, because I think we're going to have a really good conversation where we go deeper into some of this corruption.
02:01:30.000And I want to plug my YouTube channel, Freedom Tunes.