Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - GOP DEBATE LIVE & TRUMP RALLY Commentary Stream w-Robby Starbuck

00:00:00.000 We're going live!

00:00:20.000 We're a little early because tonight the GOP lesser-known debates are going to be happening at the same time.

00:00:26.000 Donald Trump will be having a rally and we're gonna do both!

00:00:30.000 We are going to comment on both the GOP debates and Donald Trump's rally.

00:00:36.000 And I have a feeling we're going to be like, oh, that was a good thing Trump said, and then we're going to go back to the GOP debates and be like, wow, that was a really stupid thing that they said.

00:00:42.000 But it is what it is.

00:00:45.000 Welcome to politics, everybody.

00:00:47.000 We all know that these people who are in the lesser-known Republican debate aren't going anywhere near the White House unless it's going to be in some kind of cabinet position, if that.

00:00:54.000 And that might just be like maybe Vivek Ramaswamy, but we'll talk about that And then, uh, we're not going to have any big, uh, we're not going to have a members-only show tonight, we're going to actually just do, uh, Super Chats after the debate ends at 10pm.

00:01:05.000 But before we get started, my friends, go to TimCast.com, watch Infringed, if you haven't already.

00:01:09.000 You don't want to miss it.

00:01:10.000 It's nearly two hours long, it's an hour and forty minutes, so you are getting your, uh, you're getting banged for your buck.

00:01:16.000 Lawrence Southern, John Detwiler were on the show last night.

00:01:19.000 This is a documentary exploring the perspective of many people who are working on guns, who produce gun content, and it's all about defending our right to keep and bear arms and explaining the issues, explaining what governments do, explaining why these laws don't work, and explaining why you need to be able to defend yourself.

00:01:37.000 So I think for a lot of people, if you know somebody who's into gun control, Show them the documentary.

00:01:42.000 Have them watch it.

00:01:43.000 Ask them what they think.

00:01:44.000 They might be like, you know, pull some liberal, I don't want to watch it, but we've put a hundred grand into marketing so far and we're probably just gonna go nuts and just dump a ton of money into promoting and pushing this documentary because it's about winning the culture war.

00:01:58.000 So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends.

00:02:01.000 We're gonna be making fun of Republicans tonight.

00:02:03.000 Joining us tonight to help us in that endeavor is Robbie Starbuck.

00:02:07.000 Good to see you guys.

00:02:09.000 Welcome to the show.

00:02:09.000 Who are you?

00:02:10.000 What do you do?

00:02:11.000 I am a podcast host.

00:02:13.000 I've got a documentary coming out called The War on Children that'll be out later this year.

00:02:17.000 Very excited about that.

00:02:19.000 And I have the honor of being on the list of the top misinformation spreaders with you.

00:02:25.000 Oh, that's right.

00:02:26.000 Me too.

00:02:27.000 Yep.

00:02:28.000 Right on.

00:02:28.000 Well, thanks for hanging out.

00:02:29.000 We got Phil.

00:02:29.000 It's gonna be fun.

00:02:30.000 Hi, everybody.

00:02:31.000 My name is Phil Labonte.

00:02:32.000 I am the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.

00:02:35.000 I'm a very failed musician, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.

00:02:39.000 I do think, sooner or later, someone who's never heard of you is going to be like, oh, that's really sad that he failed.

00:02:44.000 There are people that have been tweeting, dude, why do you say that?

00:02:46.000 You're so successful!

00:02:48.000 And usually I just go ahead and I send them the clip of Hassan making a little pose.

00:02:53.000 You gotta show the clip of Hassan saying it, then you gotta play the Curb Your Enthusiasm music with you on stage before Metallica.

00:03:00.000 I'll see a commenter once where they're like, oh, that's Phil?

00:03:02.000 They realize who you are after watching you and they're like, Two weeks got me through the breakup.

00:03:07.000 It saved my life.

00:03:08.000 It's a lot of people.

00:03:09.000 You know, I mean, that song and there's a couple others that have really touched some people and I'm really, really humbled every time I hear it.

00:03:18.000 I hope to one day have a story like that.

00:03:20.000 That is very impressive, Phil.

00:03:21.000 I'm Ian Crossland.

00:03:22.000 Happy to be here, guys.

00:03:22.000 Serge, talk to me.

00:03:24.000 We're a minute and a half out from the RNC debate.

00:03:26.000 We went live early because usually when the debate starts right at 8, we're like, quick, quick, quick.

00:03:30.000 We gotta rush.

00:03:31.000 We gotta rush.

00:03:31.000 It's starting.

00:03:32.000 So we're chillin'.

00:03:32.000 We got a minute.

00:03:33.000 Countdown.

00:03:33.000 Well, I don't know, maybe that worked.

00:03:35.000 Look, we're a minute and a half out from the RNC debate.

00:03:38.000 So we went live early because usually when the debate starts right at 8, we're like,

00:03:43.000 quick, quick, quick, we gotta rush, we gotta rush, it's starting.

00:03:45.000 So we're chillin'.

00:03:46.000 We got a minute.

00:03:47.000 Countdown.

00:03:48.000 How you doin'?

00:03:49.000 It's been a good day.

00:03:52.000 We are engaging in war in the Middle East again.

00:03:55.000 Oh yeah, we're bombing Syria.

00:03:57.000 Seven Nashville police officers, I think it was, they got suspended.

00:04:00.000 Is that what happened?

00:04:00.000 Which is a horrible, horrible development.

00:04:02.000 Horrible, horrible.

00:04:03.000 Being from there, very upset about it.

00:04:06.000 These officers should be getting commendations for trying to tell the public the truth.

00:04:12.000 From where?

00:04:12.000 Where are you from?

00:04:13.000 Nashville.

00:04:13.000 From Nashville, middle Tennessee.

00:04:15.000 Yeah, really?

00:04:16.000 So, you know, I would say there has been so much hubbub made about this in so many different ways by the left trying to stop the public from finding out the truth.

00:04:26.000 The fact that seven officers We're willing to get involved to the degree that they must have to be suspended.

00:04:35.000 Tells you a lot more about the left's apparatus to try to shut people up and not trust the public with the truth.

00:04:41.000 The reality was this was always going to be better if you rip the band-aid off, you give the manifesto to the public, you let the public have the discussion.

00:04:48.000 Because it is going to happen one way or another.

00:04:51.000 You want to drip, drip, drip it out?

00:04:52.000 It's going to be worse.

00:04:53.000 Yeah, I made a comment, I think a few days ago about it, where I was like, let's just remember it's about the danger of racial supremacy.

00:05:00.000 It's not about white or black.

00:05:01.000 But like, the truth is, if you pour a lot of like, white people are bad.

00:05:05.000 It's in like, the only way to combat racism is with racism mentality, you get more racists.

00:05:11.000 And I think this is an example of that.

00:05:12.000 It's really, really disturbing.

00:05:14.000 Looks like the debate's coming on now.

00:05:16.000 There we go.

00:05:19.000 I'm so excited for this.

00:05:20.000 Here comes the B team.

00:05:21.000 Luke Rutkowski's there.

00:05:23.000 He's there with Josie.

00:05:24.000 Biden cannot be the nominee.

00:05:26.000 So we had that election, uh, several elections the other day.

00:05:30.000 Democrats did pretty well.

00:05:32.000 People are freaking out.

00:05:32.000 electorate. Who is next to take on President Biden? And can any of them first beat Florida's

00:05:39.000 new Trump?

00:05:40.000 Biden cannot be the nominee. So we had that election, several elections the other day.

00:05:45.000 Democrats did pretty well. People are freaking out. They're like, fire Ronald McDaniel. Democrats

00:05:49.000 are freaking out too.

00:05:50.000 They're like, this doesn't mean anything good for Biden.

00:05:54.000 In fact, it shows that what Jonathan Chait argued is the Democrats actually could win this, but Biden will tank the Democrats if he's on the ticket.

00:06:02.000 They're going to replace him, 100%.

00:06:03.000 I've been saying it for two years, they'll replace him with Gavin Newsom.

00:06:06.000 He's already running a shadow campaign right now.

00:06:08.000 No question.

00:06:09.000 It's why he named that lady to the Senate seat in California, because she was the head of EMILY's List, which is one of their best activist arms on the left.

00:06:18.000 That secured the promise that they will support him becoming the new nominee.

00:06:22.000 I guarantee it.

00:06:23.000 He's going to be the guy.

00:06:25.000 And they are correct about that.

00:06:26.000 Biden is much weaker than the other Democrats.

00:06:30.000 I'm wondering how they were moved.

00:06:31.000 Right now the talking heads are just pattering, so we'll just let them yammer.

00:06:36.000 Pitter-patter.

00:06:37.000 Pitter-patter.

00:06:37.000 Ditter-datter.

00:06:38.000 Until we get to the actual questions here.

00:06:42.000 Who do you think is going to win?

00:06:44.000 Um, nobody.

00:06:45.000 The people who didn't watch.

00:06:48.000 I think they're going to be the winners.

00:06:49.000 The people that are watching TimCast tonight.

00:06:51.000 Yes, exactly.

00:06:53.000 Watch us make fun of it.

00:06:54.000 Those are the winners.

00:06:55.000 Someone suggested this is Chris Christie and Tim Scott's last night on the stage.

00:06:59.000 I think that's my personal opinion, but tonight is likely to kind of be the ushering out of Tim Scott and Chris Christie if they don't make some kind of Serious move and I don't see either of them making a serious move.

00:07:12.000 I think that the real show tonight is Us making fun of yes.

00:07:17.000 Yes The people there are most concerned with Nikki Haley and with with Ron DeSantis Ron DeSantis needs to solidify that he should be in first place Or in I'm sorry in second place behind Donald Trump and Nikki Haley is looking to not I'll just say, I said it earlier, the fact that Will Chamberlain is not running his campaign is evidence the man is too stupid to be president.

00:07:38.000 Yeah, Will's a smart guy.

00:07:40.000 Because Will was working for him, Will's not working for him now, and Will put out this long argument, calm and rational, without attacking Trump supporters about why he thought Ron was the guy, and he just gets, like, look, The DeSantis people are getting vicious.

00:07:55.000 Will is keeping it calm.

00:07:57.000 And they did not utilize him.

00:07:58.000 They instead put their morons in charge.

00:08:01.000 Let's jump into the debate.

00:08:01.000 Here we go.

00:08:02.000 Republican primary voters as his legal challenges mount.

00:08:06.000 Governor DeSantis, let me begin with you on this one.

00:08:08.000 Speak to Republican voters who are supporting Donald Trump.

00:08:11.000 Why should you and not him be the Republican nominee to face Joe Biden a year from now?

00:08:18.000 This country is in trouble, and the elites that have put us here, they don't care about you.

00:08:23.000 They don't care that you're having to grapple with higher grocery prices or have higher gas prices.

00:08:28.000 They don't care that your family's less secure because of the open border that's allowed drugs and even terrorists to come into this country.

00:08:35.000 Well, I care.

00:08:36.000 I am not going to sit idly by and let this country continue its downward spiral.

00:08:41.000 We need leadership, and we need it now.

00:08:43.000 I'll take the hits.

00:08:45.000 I'll take the arrows, I'll take the slings, because ultimately it's not about me.

00:08:49.000 It's about you.

00:08:49.000 I will fight for you.

00:08:51.000 I will make sure to lead this country's revival, and I will win for you and your family.

00:08:58.000 Actions speak louder than words.

00:09:00.000 We don't have time for excuses, and it's not something that we're going to be able to have all these distractions.

00:09:06.000 As a veteran, I will get the job done.

00:09:08.000 If you look where we are now, it's a lot different than we were in 2016.

00:09:12.000 And Donald Trump's a lot different guy than he was in 2016.

00:09:16.000 He owes it to you to be on this stage and explain why he should get another chance.

00:09:21.000 He should explain why he didn't have Mexico pay for the border wall.

00:09:25.000 He should explain why he racked up so much debt.

00:09:28.000 He should explain why he didn't drain the swamp.

00:09:30.000 And he said Republicans were going to get tired of winning.

00:09:33.000 Well, we saw last night I'm sick of Republicans losing.

00:09:37.000 In Florida, I showed how it's done.

00:09:40.000 One year ago here, we won a historic victory, including a massive landslide right here in Miami-Dade County.

00:09:47.000 That's how we have to do it.

00:09:49.000 So I promise you this, as the nominee, next November I'll get the job done, and as president, I will deliver for you.

00:09:55.000 Everyone is spamming high heels and boots in chat.

00:09:57.000 You don't take slings, by the way.

00:10:00.000 Slings throw bullets.

00:10:01.000 Why you and not the former president?

00:10:03.000 Well, I think you look at the fact that we're almost $34 trillion in debt.

00:10:08.000 60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.

00:10:11.000 50% of American families can't afford diapers.

00:10:14.000 1 in 6 American families can't pay their utility bills.

00:10:18.000 You have parents who are worried about what's being said or taught to their child in the classroom.

00:10:22.000 There's no transparency.

00:10:24.000 We have anti-Semitism all over our college campuses, and students feel unsafe.

00:10:29.000 You've got an open border where terrorists can come through, and we've got wars happening all over us, and there are dangers around us.

00:10:37.000 You know, everybody wants to talk about President Trump.

00:10:40.000 Well, I can talk about President Trump.

00:10:42.000 I can tell you that I think he was the right president at the right time.

00:10:45.000 I don't think he's the right president now.

00:10:48.000 I think that he put us $8 trillion in debt, and our kids are never going to forgive us for that.

00:10:53.000 I think the fact that he used to be right on Ukraine and foreign issues, now he's getting weak in the knees and trying to be friendly again.

00:11:00.000 I think that we've got to go back to the fact that we can't live in the past.

00:11:04.000 We can't live in other headlines.

00:11:06.000 We've got to start focusing on what's going to make America strong and proud.

00:11:10.000 And that's what I'm focused on doing.

00:11:12.000 Let's make sure we pay Let's lay down our debt.

00:11:14.000 I think we need an accountant in the White House.

00:11:16.000 Let's make sure that we have transparency in the classroom.

00:11:19.000 As a mom, I know what that means.

00:11:21.000 Let's make sure we secure our borders so that our families are safe.

00:11:24.000 Let's get crime down, because our families want to know that they can be safe no matter where they go.

00:11:29.000 And as the wife of a combat veteran, I will tell you, the military needs to know we have our back, and we need to make sure that America is safe.

00:11:36.000 How does she talk like that with her teeth not opening her mouth?

00:11:39.000 She's talking like this, you know what I mean?

00:11:42.000 The majority of the Republicans up here, when it comes to domestic policy, I don't think that they're going to have anything that I would be strongly against, but her foreign policy is completely and totally out of the question.

00:11:52.000 Completely out of the question.

00:11:54.000 Here we go, Vivek.

00:11:54.000 Oh yeah, completely out of the question.

00:11:56.000 Here we go with that.

00:11:58.000 I was hoping somebody would mention that.

00:12:11.000 It was a cancer to the Republican establishment.

00:12:14.000 Let's speak the truth.

00:12:15.000 I mean, since Ronald McDaniel took over.

00:12:17.000 Yeah, call her out!

00:12:21.000 Call her out!

00:12:23.000 2018, 2020, 2022, no red wave that never came.

00:12:24.000 We got trounced last night in 2023.

00:12:28.000 And I think that we have to have a accountability in our party. For that matter, Ron, if you

00:12:32.000 want to come on stage tonight, you want to look the GOP voters in the eye and tell them

00:12:35.000 you resign, I will turn over my yield my time to you.

00:12:39.000 Yes. Yes. Yes.

00:12:40.000 People are cheering for losing in the Republican Party.

00:12:42.000 Yeah. Think about who's this debate.

00:12:45.000 This should be please get a camera of her face.

00:12:47.000 Rogan and Elon Musk. We'd have 10 times the viewership actually care about bringing more

00:12:54.000 people into our party.

00:12:55.000 You think the Democrats, I mean we've got Kristen Welker here, you think the Democrats

00:12:59.000 would actually hire Greg Gutfeld to host a Democratic debate?

00:13:03.000 That's crazy.

00:13:04.000 Wow.

00:13:05.000 I'm going to use this time because this is actually about you in the media and the corrupt

00:13:09.000 media establishment.

00:13:10.000 Oh man, wow.

00:13:11.000 And asking the Trump-Russia collusion hoax that you pushed on this network for years.

00:13:15.000 Wow.

00:13:16.000 Was that real or was that Hillary Clinton made up disinformation?

00:13:19.000 Answer the question.

00:13:20.000 Good on you.

00:13:21.000 Oh.

00:13:22.000 He's a big liar.

00:13:23.000 Good for you, but they...

00:13:24.000 Whoa, did he just knock, did he just knock what's-her-name out of second place?

00:13:30.000 Wow.

00:13:31.000 They rigged the 2016 election.

00:13:32.000 They rigged the 2020 election with a Hunter Biden laptop story.

00:13:34.000 Mr. Rambiswamy, your time is up.

00:13:35.000 And they're going to rig this election on the CF accountability.

00:13:36.000 Let me turn you on.

00:13:37.000 Go for it.

00:13:38.000 Wow.

00:13:39.000 Honestly, maybe the best line out of all the debates that there's been was...

00:13:40.000 Wow.

00:13:41.000 Yes.

00:13:42.000 That's the best opening of a debate I think I've seen in my whole life.

00:13:43.000 Let's not do this on the candidates because, Governor Christie, why you and not former

00:13:44.000 President Trump?

00:13:45.000 Well, let's look.

00:13:46.000 I think that's a good way to end this.

00:13:52.000 You said it at the beginning of the debate.

00:13:56.000 We are dealing with extraordinarily important issues facing this country right now.

00:14:02.000 Wait, are those crumbs on his shirt?

00:14:03.000 We have our greatest ally in the Middle East under fire from a terrorist group that has committed to wiping them and every Jewish person in this world off the map.

00:14:14.000 We have Ukraine with Vladimir Putin, a communist KGB dictator who wants to put the old band back together.

00:14:24.000 He's starting in Ukraine and he's going to move to the Baltics and Poland after that.

00:14:29.000 We have inflation in this country that is choking, choking every American family that wants to try to rise up and give their children a better life.

00:14:40.000 And tonight, we need to decide.

00:14:44.000 Which president is going to be the one to tackle the big issues?

00:14:47.000 Who's going to make this country look once again, not just inward, but look outward at the world and say, America is the country, the indispensable nation that makes this a safer world.

00:15:00.000 And in a safer world, American innovation, American hard work has always been the thing that has driven our country to greater things.

00:15:08.000 I'm going to be the president who will do those big things.

00:15:11.000 We're not going to be small.

00:15:12.000 And I'll say this about Donald Trump.

00:15:14.000 We're not going to be small.

00:15:15.000 No, we are not.

00:15:18.000 Focusing on keeping themselves out of jail and courtrooms, cannot lead this party or this country, and it needs to be said plainly.

00:15:24.000 Governor, thank you.

00:15:25.000 Let me turn to Senator Scott.

00:15:26.000 Senator Scott, you've said former President Trump can't win.

00:15:29.000 Make your case to Republican voters.

00:15:31.000 Well, certainly.

00:15:32.000 What I would say without any question is that the truth of my life destroys the lies of the radical left.

00:15:39.000 We need a president and a candidate who will actually help our base solidify and attract independent voters into

00:15:48.000 our party.

00:15:49.000 The Great Opportunity Party is now winning back African American voters and Hispanic

00:15:54.000 voters because we are working on a foundation based on faith.

00:15:59.000 Our nation is facing some deep challenges.

00:16:02.000 It is the loss of faith in this nation that is part of the erosion that we're seeing every single day.

00:16:09.000 It's restoring faith, restoring our Christian values that will help this nation once again become the city on the hill.

00:16:18.000 When Ronald Reagan talked about the city on the hill, he was coming from Matthew 5.

00:16:23.000 When President Lincoln talked about a house divided, that was Mark.

00:16:28.000 Our founding documents speak to the importance of a faith foundation.

00:16:32.000 You don't have to be a Christian for America to work for you, but America does not work without a faith-filled Judeo-Christian foundation.

00:16:42.000 I would be the president that helps us restore faith in God, faith in each other, and faith in our future.

00:16:49.000 Without that focus, none of the issues, the policies, matter.

00:16:55.000 We have to get back to being a nation that is, in fact, the city on the hill that believes in each other enough for us to fight for that future.

00:17:09.000 Vivek didn't answer the question about why he should be the president over Trump.

00:17:13.000 He just showed us why.

00:17:14.000 It's an impossible question to answer if you don't want to piss off the Trump base, but he knows how to answer the question in a political way.

00:17:21.000 Oh yeah, 100%.

00:17:23.000 Ian's right.

00:17:24.000 He just demonstrated.

00:17:26.000 He demonstrated the kind of leadership, the kind of aggression, the kind of confidence that you want in someone that would be Commander-in-Chief.

00:17:32.000 And didn't anger Trump if he wants that other slot.

00:17:35.000 He actually was helping Trump!

00:17:37.000 Yeah.

00:17:37.000 Here we go.

00:17:37.000 Holy!

00:17:37.000 to do at this moment.

00:17:39.000 Governor DeSantis.

00:17:40.000 I would be telling BB, finish the job once and for all with these butchers.

00:17:46.000 They're terrorists.

00:17:47.000 Wow.

00:17:48.000 Wow.

00:17:50.000 Ron just lost tons of support.

00:17:51.000 innocent people, they would wipe every Jew off the globe if they could.

00:17:55.000 He cannot live with that threat right by his country.

00:17:59.000 Hamas should release every hostage and they should unconditionally surrender.

00:18:03.000 I'm sick of hearing other people blame Israel just for defending itself.

00:18:09.000 We will stand with Israel in word and in deed, in public and in private.

00:18:13.000 And I can tell you, as governor, I actually did something about it.

00:18:16.000 Biden's neglect has been atrocious.

00:18:19.000 We had Floridians that were over there after the attack.

00:18:22.000 He left them stranded.

00:18:23.000 They couldn't get flights out.

00:18:25.000 So I scrambled resources in Florida.

00:18:27.000 I sent planes over to Israel and I brought back over 700 people to safety.

00:18:33.000 There could have been more hostages had we not asked.

00:18:36.000 The lack of specificity in the opening is the problem because for all of us who went through Iraq and Afghanistan, it could feel like, hey, we want to break this open to a huge wide war instead of targeting Hamas.

00:18:50.000 Right.

00:18:51.000 So there's a difference between words and deeds.

00:18:53.000 We acted and we save lives.

00:18:56.000 Thank you.

00:18:56.000 Ambassador Haley, what would you do?

00:18:58.000 What would you be urging Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to do?

00:19:01.000 Would you consider humanitarian pause, for example?

00:19:04.000 The first thing I said to him when it happened was, I said, finish them.

00:19:08.000 Finish them.

00:19:09.000 And the reason is, I worked on this every day when I was at the United Nations.

00:19:14.000 And we have to remember that they have to, one, eliminate Hamas.

00:19:19.000 Two, support Israel with whatever they need, whenever they need it.

00:19:22.000 And three, make sure we bring our hostages home.

00:19:25.000 We need to be very clear-eyed to know there would be no Hamas without Iran.

00:19:30.000 There would be no Hezbollah without Iran.

00:19:32.000 There would not be the Houthis without Iran.

00:19:34.000 And there wouldn't be the Iranian militias in Syria and Iraq that are trying to hit our military men and women if it hadn't been for Iran.

00:19:42.000 And who is funding Iran right now?

00:19:44.000 China is buying oil from Iran.

00:19:47.000 Russia is getting drones and missiles from Iran.

00:19:49.000 And there is an unholy alliance.

00:19:51.000 We need to be clear-eyed.

00:19:52.000 The last thing we need to do is to tell Israel what to do.

00:19:56.000 The only thing we should be doing is supporting them in eliminating Hamas.

00:20:00.000 It is not that Israel needs America.

00:20:04.000 America needs Israel.

00:20:05.000 They are the tip of the spear when it comes to this Islamic terrorism, and we need to make sure that we have their backs in that process.

00:20:12.000 What does that mean?

00:20:13.000 The tip of the spear in regards to this Islamic terrorism?

00:20:16.000 It's causing it?

00:20:17.000 I think she means the tip of the spear in the war against Iran, personally.

00:20:20.000 I think she means, like, they're going to be the first bodies to be sacrificed.

00:20:23.000 I would go one step further.

00:20:25.000 The founding vision of Israel was based on the idea that they don't want to depend on anybody else's sympathy or direction in defending themselves.

00:20:33.000 So what I would tell Bibi is that Israel has the right and the responsibility to defend itself.

00:20:39.000 I would tell him to smoke those terrorists on his southern border, and then I'll tell him as President of the United States, I'll be smoking the terrorists on our southern border.

00:20:48.000 That's his responsibility.

00:20:49.000 This is our responsibility.

00:20:50.000 That's how we move forward.

00:20:52.000 But I want to be careful to avoid making the mistakes from the neocon establishment of the past.

00:20:57.000 Corrupt politicians and voter parties spent trillions, killed millions, made billions for themselves in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, fighting wars that set thousands of our sons and daughters, people my age, to die in wars that did not advance anyone's interests.

00:21:12.000 adding $7 trillion to our national debt.

00:21:15.000 Joe Biden sold off our foreign policy.

00:21:18.000 Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, got a $5 million bribe from Ukraine.

00:21:21.000 That's why we're sending $200 billion back to that same country.

00:21:25.000 The fact of the matter is the Republican Party is not that much better.

00:21:28.000 You have the likes of Nikki Haley, who stepped down from her time at the UN.

00:21:31.000 Bankrupt or in debt was her family.

00:21:34.000 Then she becomes a military contractor, she joins the board of Boeing and otherwise, and is now a multi-millionaire.

00:21:39.000 So I think that that's wrong when Republicans do it or Democrats do it.

00:21:42.000 That's the choice we face.

00:21:44.000 Do you want a leader from a different generation who's going to put this country first, or do you want Dick Cheney in three-inch heels?

00:21:56.000 You're the president, you're on the phone in the Oval Office with the Prime Minister of Ottawa.

00:22:03.000 He's been working on these zingers for a while.

00:22:05.000 We need the Joe Rogan meme from the UFC fight.

00:22:08.000 Do you have the responsibility and right to wipe Hamas off of the map?

00:22:16.000 We will support you.

00:22:17.000 We'll be there with you.

00:22:18.000 We'll stand shoulder to shoulder.

00:22:19.000 There'll be no daylight.

00:22:20.000 I would change the station a little bit, though, and head back home to America.

00:22:25.000 I would say to President Biden, diplomacy only is a weak strategy.

00:22:33.000 Appeasement leads to war.

00:22:36.000 From President Obama to President Biden, Obama sent millions to Iran.

00:22:41.000 Frankly, President Biden has sent billions to Iran.

00:22:45.000 That is why I've said that there's blood dripping from the hands of President Obama and President Biden.

00:22:51.000 I would tell President Biden with great clarity, if you want to stop the 40 plus attacks on military personnel in the Middle East, you have to strike in Iran.

00:23:02.000 If you want to make a difference, you cannot just continue to have strikes in Syria on warehouses.

00:23:08.000 You actually have to cut off the head of the snake and the head of the snake is Iran and not simply their proxies.

00:23:17.000 In order for us to have a powerful response.

00:23:20.000 Every time someone mentions we're not sending our young men to die in Iran, no.

00:23:23.000 Iran is not Iraq.

00:23:24.000 It is not the same kind of thing.

00:23:25.000 It is not Iraq. It is not the same kind of thing. It is a technologically advanced army.

00:23:32.000 It is not Iraq.

00:23:34.000 Senator Scott, thank you. Governor Christie, I want to get you to weigh in here.

00:23:36.000 Look, Lester, these problems are so big and serious that the first thing I would say to

00:23:42.000 President Obama is that we've got to get to the bottom of this.

00:23:46.000 I'm trying to be responsible here, okay?

00:23:49.000 You need, at any time, to preserve the State of Israel.

00:23:53.000 Remember that Hamas's main goal is to get rid of Israel.

00:23:58.000 is to get Israel absolutely off the map.

00:24:00.000 Now, there are three things I think I would say to him when he asks for advice.

00:24:05.000 The first I would say is that it is absolutely your obligation to- Alright, real quick, I gotta read this super chat from Daniel Trin- uh, Trunks?

00:24:13.000 He says, I'm confused.

00:24:13.000 Uh, Trinka?

00:24:14.000 Dick Cheney in three-inch heels.

00:24:16.000 Is he talking about Nikki Haley or Ron DeSantis?

00:24:20.000 It creates greater unrest in the entire region.

00:24:23.000 Second, you must go in and make sure that Hamas can never do this again.

00:24:28.000 The fact is that Israel and their intelligence community failed.

00:24:34.000 They failed here, and they failed the people of the state of Israel.

00:24:36.000 And so we need to work closely and better together to make sure, one, that they're degraded, and two, that we know everything that's going on inside the Gaza Strip, when it's going on, so that something like this can't happen to kill 1,400 individuals again.

00:24:48.000 It's Israel's responsibility, not America's responsibility.

00:24:50.000 And the third thing is to keep your eye on the ball.

00:24:53.000 Make sure that we continue to isolate Iran.

00:24:56.000 Work with the reasonable nations in the Middle East, the other Arab nations who want to partner with you.

00:25:02.000 And make sure that we continue to isolate Iran so that their only friends in the world are the part of the evil foursome.

00:25:07.000 China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea.

00:25:10.000 Governor Christie, thank you very much.

00:25:11.000 And we're going to continue in this vein right now with a question from Matthew Brooks, the CEO of the Republican Jewish Coalition, a partner of the Republican National Committee in this debate.

00:25:21.000 Here it is.

00:25:24.000 Given attacks by Iranian-backed proxy groups on U.S.

00:25:27.000 military bases in Syria and Iraq, attacks that have wounded approximately two dozen of our U.S.

00:25:35.000 servicemen, do you support the use of military force by the United States against Iran?

00:25:41.000 No.

00:25:42.000 Governor Hanley, would you please answer that?

00:25:44.000 Yes, I'd first like to say they're 5-inch heels, and I don't wear them unless you can run in them.

00:25:48.000 So she's accepting she's Dick Cheney.

00:25:51.000 We got two of you on stage!

00:25:53.000 He said, we got two of you on stage!

00:25:55.000 I wear heels, they're not for a fashion statement, they're for ammunition.

00:25:59.000 What we need to be doing for Iraq and Syria is, first of all, the idea that our men and women could be targeted and that we've allowed almost a hundred hits to happen under Biden's watch is unthinkable.

00:26:12.000 We need to understand this is Iran giving the green light, telling them what to do, and we shouldn't be doing the tit-for-tat like what Joe Biden has done.

00:26:21.000 We need to go and take out their infrastructure that they are using to make those strikes with so they can never do it again.

00:26:27.000 No, Dick Cheney, for real.

00:26:29.000 You punch them one and you punch them hard and they will back off.

00:26:33.000 But what we don't need is Biden falling all over himself to get back in the Iran deal.

00:26:39.000 Him giving $6 billion to get five hostages home.

00:26:42.000 Him telling Netanyahu now that he needs a pause or a ceasefire.

00:26:46.000 We don't need him going and sitting there tiptoeing around Iran because he thinks they're

00:26:51.000 You don't respond to an enemy and a terrorist with fear.

00:26:55.000 You respond with strength.

00:26:57.000 When you do that, that's when the world pays attention and that's when Iran stops.

00:27:02.000 Thank you.

00:27:02.000 Governor DeSantis, if I can continue with you, just today the U.S.

00:27:06.000 launched another one of its limited airstrikes against targets in Syria, this time Iranian-linked facility.

00:27:13.000 How far would you go militarily to hold Iran accountable?

00:27:17.000 Well, first, Matt, thanks for your question, and I appreciate what you've done over the last month.

00:27:21.000 I know it's been very difficult for the community, and I appreciate you guys rallying together in difficult times.

00:27:26.000 I actually served in Iraq back in the day, and we had al-Qaeda in Iraq.

00:27:31.000 You had Shia militias that were funded by Iran that were killing hundreds and hundreds of U.S.

00:27:37.000 troops.

00:27:38.000 And as Commander-in-Chief, I am not going to put our troops in harm's way Unless you're willing to defend them with everything you have.

00:27:48.000 Biden has them out there.

00:27:50.000 They're sitting ducks.

00:27:51.000 He's doing glancing blows.

00:27:53.000 That's just inviting more attacks from the Iranians.

00:27:57.000 I would say you harm a hair on the head.

00:28:01.000 of an American service member, and you are going to have hell to pay.

00:28:05.000 We are not just going to sit there and let our service members be sitting ducks, and that's true whether it's Iran or whether it's any country on the world.

00:28:13.000 We have to be strong and we have to defend the people who defend us.

00:28:17.000 All right, thank you, Governor.

00:28:19.000 Now our second and final question from Matthew Brooks of the Republican Jewish Coalition.

00:28:23.000 Please watch.

00:28:27.000 Jewish students across the country are threatened and under attack.

00:28:31.000 What do you say to Jewish students on college campuses who feel unsafe given the dramatic rise in anti-semitism?

00:28:39.000 And what do you say to university presidents and college presidents who have not met the moral clarity moment to forcefully condemn Hamas terrorism?

00:28:48.000 It was a professor who killed that Jewish elderly man.

00:28:52.000 I think the scourge of antisemitism across this country, including at places like my alma mater's and places like Brooklyn Bridge in New York, it's sad to see, but here's what history teaches us.

00:29:02.000 Antisemitism is a symptom of a deeper cancer in a country, in a society that is lost.

00:29:09.000 And we are lost.

00:29:10.000 Several years ago when I wrote my first book, Woke Inc., I was talking about they were chanting death to America, death to white people, death to Christians.

00:29:17.000 Nobody was waking up back then.

00:29:19.000 Now it's even bad.

00:29:20.000 Now they're saying death to Israel and worse.

00:29:22.000 So it is wrong, but we have to get to the root cause here.

00:29:26.000 Now, I think it's really important that we do this through leadership, not censorship.

00:29:30.000 Leadership means fill that void with purpose and meaning.

00:29:34.000 Dilute this wokeism and antisemitism to irrelevance.

00:29:38.000 These kids, they have no idea what the heck they're even talking about.

00:29:41.000 When they're siding with Hamas over Israel, they are fools.

00:29:44.000 But I also want to caution here, if we go the direction of Ron DeSantis or Nikki Haley, with whom I respectfully disagree on this issue, pro-censorship, telling student groups to disband, mark my words, soon they will say if you question a vaccine and its side effects, you're a bioterrorist.

00:29:59.000 Soon they will say that if you show up at a school board meeting, you're a domestic terrorist.

00:30:04.000 He is just on point.

00:30:05.000 should be released. You're an insurrectionist terrorist. So that's where this road ends.

00:30:09.000 We don't quash this with censorship because that creates a worse underbelly. We quell

00:30:14.000 it through leadership by calling it out. These university administrators have lost their

00:30:18.000 way and we need leadership at the top in the United States of America that restores our

00:30:23.000 founding values and that has no place for this kind of anti-Semitic hate. That's where

00:30:28.000 I stand while respecting our constitution.

00:30:29.000 He texted me when Ron DeSantis made that move and I talked to him about it and he was critical

00:30:36.000 of what Ron did in shutting down these groups despite the fact that they claim to be Hamas.

00:30:39.000 But I said that to Vivek, I was like, hey man, they're claiming to be Hamas, to support Hamas.

00:30:44.000 And then he said effectively, he was saying, he was like, no way dude, if you let him make this move, it's just a bunch of dumb kids, they're gonna go after everybody.

00:30:51.000 I'm impressed.

00:30:53.000 I am too.

00:30:54.000 Your visa is a privilege, not a right.

00:30:58.000 Number three.

00:31:00.000 Any campus that allows for anti-Semitism and hate, to allow students to encourage terrorism, mass murder, mass murder and genocide, you should lose your federal funding today.

00:31:14.000 Period.

00:31:15.000 To all the students.

00:31:16.000 They all should.

00:31:17.000 Every single one.

00:31:17.000 They all should.

00:31:18.000 They should lose their federal funding anyway.

00:31:20.000 Just do it anyway.

00:31:21.000 Just get rid of it, please.

00:31:22.000 Dave Rubin is, like all of DeSantis' people, are complaining about Vivek.

00:31:27.000 Vivek hasn't really gone after DeSantis hard.

00:31:31.000 It's the heels comment.

00:31:32.000 Yeah.

00:31:33.000 Oh, are they freaking out?

00:31:34.000 Dave Rubin called him names and there's someone else that supports the Santa that I know that's

00:31:41.000 behind me.

00:31:42.000 A Jewish citizen has the right to walk on the streets of America with no fear.

00:31:45.000 They have the right to go to college campuses, go to class and not fear.

00:31:50.000 We will restore that.

00:31:52.000 I started working on anti-semitism on college campuses in 2017 because even then there was a rise of anti-semitism on college campuses.

00:32:04.000 We must force the people off those campuses.

00:32:10.000 Thank you.

00:32:10.000 Let me turn to Governor DeSantis here.

00:32:13.000 What do you think about what he just said?

00:32:16.000 I was the first presidential candidate to say, if you are here on a student visa as a foreign national, you're making common cause with Hamas, I'm canceling your visa and I'm sending you home.

00:32:26.000 No questions asked.

00:32:29.000 I have friends here in Florida who their kids do not feel safe even going to university campus at all outside of the state of Florida.

00:32:38.000 You have Jewish students fleeing for their lives at Cooper Union.

00:32:42.000 Joe Biden should have the Department of Justice on these college campuses and holding the universities accountable for civil rights violations.

00:32:50.000 When you have, you should not have money going to these places.

00:32:54.000 I already acted in Florida.

00:32:55.000 We had a group students for justice of Palestine.

00:32:58.000 They said they are common cause with Hamas.

00:33:00.000 They said, we're not just in solidarity.

00:33:01.000 This is what we are.

00:33:02.000 We deactivated them.

00:33:04.000 We're not going to use state tax dollars to fund jihad.

00:33:07.000 No way.

00:33:08.000 And what is Biden doing?

00:33:10.000 Yes, exactly.

00:33:12.000 I think that should be the line.

00:33:13.000 If you're actually a party to supporting a terrorist group, then charge them.

00:33:20.000 They shut them down and told them to reform.

00:33:22.000 That's a good point, because that speaks to more issues than just the freedom of speech.

00:33:28.000 Exactly.

00:33:30.000 If someone is too dangerous to get on a plane, there shouldn't be no fly list, there should be charges.

00:33:37.000 Do something about it.

00:33:39.000 This half measure, and maybe they might be dangerous so we're going to violate their civil rights.

00:33:45.000 It can all be used to violate our civil rights.

00:33:45.000 No.

00:33:47.000 That's really what it's about.

00:33:48.000 Didn't they make the Proud Boys a terrorist organization?

00:33:51.000 In Canada.

00:33:52.000 But I do agree with having the DOJ investigate civil rights violations, because a lot of these far leftists are targeting actual Jews with violence, not Israelis.

00:34:01.000 They're coming to universities.

00:34:03.000 So that I agree with.

00:34:04.000 But disbanding a group... No, no, no.

00:34:07.000 If they go out and threaten people?

00:34:08.000 Okay.

00:34:09.000 If he said they were threatening Jewish students on campus, I'd say, okay, he's right.

00:34:13.000 Charges, not these secret lists, not these red flag laws.

00:34:13.000 Yeah.

00:34:19.000 If someone's dangerous, charge them.

00:34:20.000 We have a justice system for a reason, and we have amendments that are alleged to or ostensibly supposed to prevent the federal government from doing things like putting people on lists.

00:34:33.000 I do like pooling the student visas, though.

00:34:36.000 If you're not an American citizen, I don't think you're entitled to the same, you know, sort of You know, uh, us being careful with your rights, okay?

00:34:44.000 If you're not from here, and you're showing us even the possibility that you're gonna align with terror, like, you're good to go.

00:34:50.000 We're gonna, we're gonna ask you to leave.

00:34:52.000 I do love he said, Tucker, Elon, and Rogan hosting the debate, 10 times the viewership.

00:34:57.000 Oh yeah.

00:34:57.000 Bro, it would be like 300 times the viewership.

00:34:59.000 Oh yeah, way bigger.

00:34:59.000 Way bigger.

00:35:00.000 I love that he went after the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, Jewish Americans in New Jersey or Muslim Americans in New Jersey.

00:35:10.000 It takes leadership, Lester, to know how to do this.

00:35:13.000 You must work with both sides.

00:35:15.000 Both sides need to know it, but let us never have a false moral equivalence between Hamas and Hezbollah and the Jewish people.

00:35:23.000 The Jewish people stand for right and justice, and Hamas and Hezbollah stand for death.

00:35:27.000 Governor Christie, thank you.

00:35:29.000 Ambassador Haley, what do you say to Americans who are simply afraid right now in this current environment that we're talking about?

00:35:36.000 I think, you know, you look at the country and the country is all out of sorts.

00:35:40.000 I think, look at what these kids are dealing with on college campuses.

00:35:43.000 What makes me so angry is not only do you have the kids barricaded in the library.

00:35:49.000 They said they were going to shoot up the kosher dining hall.

00:35:52.000 You've got kids dorm rooms who are being set on fire because they have something related to Israel on their doors.

00:35:59.000 No person should ever feel in danger like this.

00:36:02.000 And this is what I would say about our college presidents.

00:36:05.000 Is if the KKK were doing this, every college president would be up in arms.

00:36:11.000 This is no different.

00:36:13.000 You should treat it exactly the same.

00:36:16.000 Anti-Semitism is just as awful as racism, and we've got to make sure they're protected.

00:36:21.000 And for everybody that's protesting on these college campuses in favor of Hamas, let me remind you something.

00:36:28.000 Hamas said death to Israel and death to America.

00:36:31.000 They hate and would kill you too.

00:36:34.000 And the idea that they're talking about genocide for the Jewish people, that's not the values of America.

00:36:39.000 That's not us.

00:36:40.000 We're better than that.

00:36:41.000 Leftists hate America too.

00:36:44.000 We don't need to celebrate genocide.

00:36:45.000 We don't need to celebrate violence towards anybody.

00:36:49.000 We need to go back and soul-search in our country and remember what we are about.

00:36:54.000 And we are about taking care of people, not going and making them live in fear because some other terrorist activity says they want to destroy them.

00:37:04.000 I didn't even really understand that.

00:37:07.000 It was just a lot of mumbo-jumbo.

00:37:08.000 She was conflating Jewish with Israel, which is a big problem.

00:37:12.000 The one part I agreed with was that these people would want to kill us too, obviously.

00:37:20.000 That's why we're armed.

00:37:20.000 Don't care.

00:37:21.000 Never.

00:37:21.000 Nope.

00:37:22.000 Be forced to.

00:37:22.000 Now quote the price will be higher for the United States don't care and Americans would be forced to quote send your

00:37:22.000 Nope.

00:37:29.000 Sons and daughters never and no NATO countries senator Scott. Where do you stand?

00:37:34.000 Ukraine I certainly have been very supportive of Ukraine I believe that ultimately we should make sure that the President of the United States states what is America's national vital interest in Ukraine.

00:37:47.000 It is actually in degrading the Russian military.

00:37:51.000 We've been very effective using our resources and our weaponry and the incredibly high price

00:37:57.000 of Ukrainian blood to achieve that objective.

00:38:01.000 Every day we get closer to the degradation of the Russian military and that's good news.

00:38:06.000 But the American people are frustrated that they do not have a president who reminds us

00:38:10.000 and tells us where's the accountability?

00:38:13.000 Where are those dollars?

00:38:14.000 How are those dollars being spent?

00:38:15.000 We need those answers for us to continue to see the support for Ukraine.

00:38:25.000 Let's see what Trump's doing.

00:38:27.000 I oppose the use of young Ukrainian bodies and their blood Yeah, so that we can irritate Russia. I don't think we can

00:38:37.000 get the Trump really doesn't want to play The Russians are advancing their military through this conflict.

00:38:41.000 They're learning new tactics, figuring out what weapons don't work.

00:38:43.000 Shutting down free speech, taking bribes and kickbacks to enrich themselves and their very spoiled children.

00:38:51.000 They're about to go to Rama Swamp.

00:38:52.000 Oh, he's with the Cubans in Hialeah.

00:38:54.000 Rigging and cheating.

00:38:56.000 After this guy, I have a feeling they're going to Vivec.

00:38:56.000 He said they're going to Vivec.

00:38:58.000 Cover up their colossal...

00:39:02.000 We're not getting the connection for Trump.

00:39:05.000 You know what our war strategy in America should be?

00:39:08.000 Like we should have an operating procedure for all elected officials that when we take a vote, which we should vote to go to war or not, when that happens politicians should have to either themselves agree to go to the front lines or one of their children or grandchildren.

00:39:23.000 If you did that, we'd be a much more peaceful world.

00:39:26.000 world.

00:39:50.000 As you understand, Article 5 would require to support and to defend NATO, our troops on the ground.

00:39:56.000 The fastest way for us to eliminate that possibility is for us to destroy, to the extent possible, the Russian military.

00:40:04.000 By doing so, we actually achieve the objective of keeping our military home.

00:40:09.000 And that's good news.

00:40:10.000 Thank you, Senator Scott.

00:40:11.000 Mr. Ramaswamy, are you persuaded by President Zelensky's urgent new plea?

00:40:15.000 Where do you stand on more funding?

00:40:16.000 I'm absolutely unpersuaded.

00:40:18.000 I'm actually enjoying watching the Ukraine hawks quietly, delicately tiptoe back from their position as this thing has unwound into a disaster.

00:40:27.000 The first half of this race, I was the only person standing for it.

00:40:29.000 Now they're actually quietly coming around to being more cautious as they should.

00:40:33.000 Level with the American people here.

00:40:35.000 Ukraine is not a paragon of democracy.

00:40:38.000 This is a country that has banned 11 opposition parties.

00:40:41.000 It has consolidated all media into one state TV media arm.

00:40:45.000 That's not democratic.

00:40:46.000 It has threatened not to hold elections this year unless the U.S.

00:40:49.000 forks over more money.

00:40:50.000 That is not democratic.

00:40:51.000 It has celebrated a Nazi in its ranks, the comedian in cargo pants, the man called Zelensky, doing it in their own ranks.

00:40:57.000 That is not democratic.

00:40:59.000 More facts for you that you won't hear from the mainstream in either party or the mainstream media.

00:41:03.000 the regions of Ukraine that are occupied by Russia right now, in the Donbas, Luhansk,

00:41:09.000 Donetsk, these are Russian-speaking regions that have not even been part of Ukraine since 2014,

00:41:16.000 that other people probably couldn't name those provinces for you.

00:41:18.000 The majority do want to be Russian in those regions.

00:41:21.000 Those are the hard facts. And sort of frame this as some kind of battle between good versus evil.

00:41:24.000 Don't buy it.

00:41:26.000 And I'd like the likes of the sharpest of the war hawks on Ukraine, Nikki Haley, to have some accountability and answer.

00:41:31.000 Do you want to use U.S.

00:41:33.000 taxpayer money to fund the banning of Christians?

00:41:37.000 That is actually what's happening.

00:41:38.000 They're using the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

00:41:41.000 They have banned them.

00:41:42.000 The Ukrainian parliament just did this last week.

00:41:44.000 Supported by our dollars.

00:41:45.000 And I think you owe it to the American people, Nikki, to at least this one time.

00:41:48.000 Mr. Ramaswamy.

00:41:49.000 He is taking her out.

00:41:50.000 Mr. Ramaswamy.

00:41:53.000 Mr. Ramaswamy, thank you.

00:41:54.000 Mr. Ramaswamy, thank you.

00:41:56.000 We asked the questions.

00:41:57.000 Ambassador Haley, she deserves your take on more funding for Ukraine.

00:42:01.000 Let's hear the response.

00:42:02.000 Let's see.

00:42:03.000 We asked the questions.

00:42:04.000 I am telling you, Putin and President Xi are salivating at the thought that someone like that could become president.

00:42:10.000 They would love to see it.

00:42:11.000 So this is what I will tell you.

00:42:15.000 First of all, it's not the 90s anymore.

00:42:17.000 You've had your time to talk.

00:42:19.000 The ambassador has the floor.

00:42:21.000 The first thing I'll tell you is we all remember what that thug did when he invaded Ukraine.

00:42:28.000 We all know that half a million people have died because of Putin.

00:42:33.000 And here is a freedom-loving, pro-American country that is fighting for its survival and its democracy.

00:42:40.000 No, I don't think we should give them cash.

00:42:42.000 I think we should give them the equipment, the ammunition to win.

00:42:45.000 And I'll tell you, if Biden had done it when they first asked for it, this war would be over.

00:42:49.000 But let's also remember this.

00:42:52.000 When you left Afghanistan in shambles and left them with a ton of weapons and money, it's not that we left, it's how we left.

00:42:59.000 When you look at Ukraine, don't think for a second, now everybody wants to move away from Ukraine.

00:43:05.000 They'll want to move away from Israel a year from now.

00:43:08.000 No, we wanted to move away from Ukraine right away, immediately.

00:43:12.000 We wanted to not ever move in.

00:43:14.000 Now is the time to get partnership.

00:43:16.000 I'm okay with cutting funding to other countries.

00:43:17.000 This unholy alliance between Russia, Ukraine, and China is real.

00:43:21.000 There is a reason the Taiwanese want us to support the Ukrainians.

00:43:25.000 It's because they know that China's coming after them next.

00:43:28.000 There is a reason Ukrainians want us to support Israelis.

00:43:31.000 Because they know that if Iran wins, Russia wins.

00:43:34.000 We have to see the combination of the three.

00:43:37.000 We can't keep funding wars all over the world.

00:43:40.000 That's her argument.

00:43:41.000 Hey, this other country is going to want our money, and this other one, and if we don't give our money to this one, then the next one's going to be worried they won't get our money.

00:43:48.000 It's like none of them should be getting our money.

00:43:50.000 It's boilerplate neocon.

00:43:53.000 Oh, 100%.

00:43:53.000 And she was like, I don't want to give them money.

00:43:55.000 I want to give them arms and equipment.

00:43:57.000 How are you going to pay for that stuff?

00:43:58.000 Our money.

00:44:00.000 This is the price we pay for being the leaders of free will.

00:44:04.000 He uses Lester's name over and over again.

00:44:07.000 He did the Donald Duck, and that flopped.

00:44:10.000 So now he's trying to do the, I must be serious.

00:44:14.000 And they are all working to support Russia right now.

00:44:18.000 And the reason they're doing it is because dictators work together.

00:44:24.000 People who believe in democracy work together.

00:44:26.000 We stand with all those that are standing up for democracy and freedom in this world.

00:44:31.000 And by the way, let's get rid of this.

00:44:34.000 In 1992, this country made a promise to Ukraine.

00:44:37.000 We said if you return nuclear missiles that were part of the old Soviet Union to Russia, and they invade you, we will protect you.

00:44:46.000 And it's not 1992 anymore.

00:44:46.000 He is correct.

00:44:47.000 That's correct.

00:44:48.000 one years old is no different than the American promise that's made tonight on this stage.

00:44:53.000 We need to stand by it.

00:44:55.000 And those of us who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

00:45:00.000 I'm trying to remember the history of Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:45:00.000 That's right.

00:45:03.000 The absolute giving in to dictators, which is being suggested on this stage, just shows the immaturity of the approach.

00:45:10.000 Peace is not giving in to dictators.

00:45:13.000 I love how they think peace and wanting peace is immature.

00:45:17.000 And they're like, why don't you want to bomb more people and kill more 18 year olds?

00:45:21.000 That's mature.

00:45:22.000 Suggestion by Zelensky or anyone else that we should eventually have US troops there.

00:45:26.000 I can tell the American people when I'm president that will not happen.

00:45:29.000 There are not going to send your sons and daughters to Ukraine.

00:45:32.000 I am going to send troops to our southern border.

00:45:34.000 If you look at the threats that we face, terrorists have come in through our southern border.

00:45:39.000 I'm going to shut it down.

00:45:40.000 I'm going to have the military and I'm going to deport the people who've come, particularly under Biden, who've come from the Middle East, come from all these places.

00:45:47.000 Now Biden wants $105 billion.

00:45:49.000 uh... sixty most of that ukraine including some of it going to pay

00:45:52.000 pensions for bureaucrats and salaries that is a totally ridiculous use of

00:45:57.000 american tax dollars he says he has money for border to try to do in the

00:46:01.000 media repeat that when you look at it what most of the money is is money to

00:46:05.000 process more illegal alien into this country how is that solving the problem

00:46:10.000 that's making the problem worse and what does he do for the indo-pacific

00:46:15.000 a patents that is the top threat that we face we need to bring this war to an end

00:46:20.000 we need the europeans to step up and do their fair share and we need to get

00:46:25.000 serious about the top threat that this country faces which is the chinese

00:46:29.000 communist party so if i may respond to the ukraine question

00:46:32.000 in fact we are going to go from the hot wars in ukraine to gaza

00:46:37.000 war skeptic I don't know how many people are calling.

00:46:38.000 Apparently.

00:46:39.000 Yeah, I mean, Ron is doing a dance, you know, he's dancing between, and I just, I hate that more than anything.

00:46:47.000 Many Republicans believe that the Chinese are the pick a side.

00:46:51.000 General Secretary Xi is an existential threat to the United States.

00:46:55.000 The flashpoint is Taiwan.

00:46:57.000 For decades and decades, the American military, but primarily the United States Navy, has

00:47:02.000 deterred an attack from China to the island state of Taiwan.

00:47:06.000 But Ronald Reagan's Navy of 600 ships is gone.

00:47:09.000 Now, the question to you is, and I'll start with you, Ambassador Haley, because you were in President Trump's cabinet, his goal was a 355-ship Navy.

00:47:17.000 That's what he pushed for.

00:47:18.000 It got to 300.

00:47:19.000 It's now at 291.

00:47:20.000 Wow.

00:47:21.000 Is that big enough to deter and, if necessary, defeat an invasion of Taiwan?

00:47:27.000 China has the largest naval fleet in the world.

00:47:29.000 They have 350 ships.

00:47:31.000 They'll have 400 ships in two years.

00:47:33.000 We won't even have 350 ships in two decades.

00:47:36.000 China has built up their military.

00:47:38.000 It's not just land, air, and sea.

00:47:40.000 They're doing cyber, they're doing artificial intelligence, they're doing space.

00:47:43.000 Right.

00:47:44.000 America needs to modernize our military.

00:47:47.000 We need to do everything we can.

00:47:48.000 The first thing is you go and you make sure you have the backs of Ukraine.

00:47:53.000 That's why the Taiwanese want us to support Ukraine, because they know that sends the

00:47:56.000 biggest message to China.

00:47:58.000 The second thing is we go to China and we start being tough on them.

00:48:02.000 No more sales of our American soil to China.

00:48:05.000 And let's take back what they've already stolen.

00:48:08.000 Then you go to the universities.

00:48:10.000 No more having millions of dollars go to our universities.

00:48:13.000 Then we will go and end all formal trade relations with China until they stop murdering Americans from fentanyl, something Ron is yet to say that he's going to do.

00:48:23.000 And then we modernize our military.

00:48:25.000 When we strengthen our military, when we modernize it with the focus of cyber, artificial intelligence in space, when we make sure that we have the backs of our friends, whether it's in Israel, whether it's in Ukraine, and we should be arming Taiwan.

00:48:39.000 Make sure they have the equipment they need.

00:48:42.000 Make sure they have the training they need.

00:48:43.000 Now, there's nothing China fears more than knowing that America will have Taiwan's back.

00:48:48.000 Let's make sure that we show it by making sure they have the equipment they need.

00:48:52.000 I would say ships are much more vulnerable now than they ever have been.

00:48:57.000 And I'm much more concerned with us advancing in space.

00:49:01.000 Like let's dominate space.

00:49:02.000 Space ships.

00:49:03.000 Ships are really going to be more and more vulnerable over time with drones and everything else.

00:49:07.000 President Xi's ambitions.

00:49:09.000 And if China's able to be the world's leading superpower, that will affect you and your family

00:49:14.000 in ways that are gonna be very bad.

00:49:15.000 They will export authoritarianism all around the world as the cost of doing business.

00:49:19.000 They will impose things like social credit scores and internet monitoring.

00:49:23.000 So this is, to this generation, what the Soviet Union was to the post-World War II

00:49:28.000 generation.

00:49:29.000 We got the EIP thing.

00:49:30.000 We're going to get to 355 ships at the end of the first term, 385 ships at the end of the second term, but we're going to have a path to 600 ships over the next 20 years.

00:49:40.000 I think the future of freedom is going to be determined in the Indo-Pacific.

00:49:43.000 We have a strategy, not just military, but decoupling from the economy and fighting them here at home with their cultural.

00:49:49.000 Ambassador Haley said somehow I wasn't doing.

00:49:52.000 She welcomed them into South Carolina, gave them land near a military base, wrote the Chinese ambassador.

00:49:58.000 He did do a great job on Florida.

00:49:59.000 letters saying what a great friend they were. That was like their number one way to do economic

00:50:03.000 development. In Florida, I banned China from buying land in the state. We kicked out on

00:50:09.000 our universities and we kicked the Confucius Institutes out of our universities. We've

00:50:14.000 recognized the threat and we've acted swiftly and decisively.

00:50:22.000 That's the biggest problem.

00:50:23.000 He was a fantastic, has been a fantastic governor.

00:50:26.000 His campaign has been just a disaster.

00:50:29.000 Had he done what Vivek has done, which is don't offend Trump voters, don't offend Trump supporters, embrace them.

00:50:35.000 And attack the corruption.

00:50:36.000 And attack the corruption.

00:50:39.000 He would be in such a different place right now.

00:50:41.000 If they put Will Chamberlain in charge of his PR and got rid of the existing ones, Will would have killed it.

00:50:48.000 I mean, he'd be doing such a great job running that campaign.

00:50:51.000 In the midst of trying to back our strongest ally.

00:50:54.000 In Eastern Europe, we've seen our resources and our weaponry help degrade the Russian military.

00:51:00.000 The Indo-Pacific, we have real challenges.

00:51:02.000 The long-term threat A long-term threat is China.

00:51:07.000 Immediate threat is our southern border.

00:51:09.000 In order for us to have the military to fight three different continents at the exact same time, we're going to have to invest heavily in our military, but we're also going to have to invest Heavily in an industrial base so that we can hit our objectives from a military perspective, not only with our ships, but also with our planes.

00:51:31.000 We are so old as a military that in order for us to recalibrate, we're going to have to invest.

00:51:39.000 One of the things I do in my Made in America strategy is we create more than 4 million new jobs by having high-tech manufacturing come back to America, decoupling from China, So that we focus our attention on creating that industrial revolution that will be necessary.

00:51:55.000 Maybe y'all should have not fired unvaccinated soldiers.

00:51:58.000 Tim Scott should not be on stage right now.

00:52:01.000 Yeah, no, no.

00:52:02.000 Keep him as his senator, you know, if they want him there in South Carolina.

00:52:05.000 Seems like a nice guy, but he's so out of his depth for president.

00:52:10.000 First answer is end the toxic divest to invest program.

00:52:14.000 For people who don't know about that, we're decommissioning ships in the South China Sea.

00:52:19.000 The foundation of war is economics.

00:52:21.000 Rebuild our defense industrial base at home.

00:52:23.000 But here's the dirty little secret.

00:52:25.000 Our actual defense industrial base depends on China for the supply chain, for the F-35 jets, for the ships that we're building.

00:52:32.000 Think about this.

00:52:33.000 Why are we stockpiling that if it isn't to actually be strong against our enemy, China?

00:52:37.000 We depend on them for that.

00:52:39.000 Just like we depend on them for pharmaceuticals.

00:52:41.000 Just like we depend on them for semiconductors.

00:52:44.000 So here's why we can't get tough with China.

00:52:46.000 It's because we depend on them for our modern way of life.

00:52:49.000 And we have to declare economic independence from our enemy.

00:52:53.000 That's the Declaration of Independence that Thomas Jefferson, at the age of 33, would have signed.

00:52:58.000 Today, if you were alive, that's the Declaration of Independence that I will sign as the next president.

00:53:03.000 He's done a killer job.

00:53:04.000 You have to recognize that Ron DeSantis was correct about acknowledging Nikki Haley's tough talk when she was ambassador to the UN, calling China our great friend.

00:53:11.000 Bringing the CCP to South Carolina.

00:53:13.000 What he left out though, Ron, and be honest about it, there was a lobbying-based exemption in that bill that allowed Chinese nationals to buy land within a 20-mile radius of a military base lobbied for by one of your donors.

00:53:24.000 So I think we have to call a spade a spade.

00:53:26.000 We need politicians who are independent of the forces that increase our dependence on China.

00:53:32.000 My message to Xi Jinping is this.

00:53:34.000 You are done buying land in this country.

00:53:36.000 You will not donate to universities in this country.

00:53:38.000 U.S.

00:53:39.000 businesses won't expand into the Chinese market until you play by the same set of rules.

00:53:42.000 Mr. Ramaswamy, that almost sounds like rules for a few.

00:53:45.000 You have to have accountability for the COVID-19 pandemic financially.

00:53:49.000 You can tell the world we have to hold them accountable.

00:53:54.000 That almost sounds like policy for loving your country.

00:53:56.000 I think that we need to increase our naval capacity by at least 20% over the course of the next several years.

00:54:03.000 ...be able to meet our AUKUS agreement standards.

00:54:06.000 Right now we are at risk of not even being able to meet our AUKUS standards with Australia and the UK.

00:54:12.000 So what we need to do is have a plan that reverses the trajectory of the divest-invest program by 20% over the next three years.

00:54:19.000 You know, my first observation, Hugh, is that nobody answers your...

00:54:25.000 My second observation is these three in the middle think they're the enemy.

00:54:29.000 I know China is the enemy.

00:54:30.000 And that's what we should be focused on.

00:54:32.000 So let's be really clear.

00:54:33.000 The nuclear submarines in this United States Navy is the greatest deterrent to Chinese aggression, and that is the first place I would go to increase American naval power.

00:54:45.000 Our nuclear submarines are able to move stealthily, quietly, and effectively, and if we are going to deter China from invading Taiwan, the only way we're going to do it is to make sure that they don't know.

00:54:57.000 Whether how many nuclear submarines from the United States of America are in the South China Sea and in that area, and ready to strike on them if they decide to move on Taiwan.

00:55:07.000 And so we, as our first priority, need to go directly to our nuclear sub-program queue, and we need to increase it drastically.

00:55:15.000 That would be priority number one.

00:55:16.000 Ships would come next, but to me, the ships are secondary choice here.

00:55:21.000 The submarines are the single most important thing that we could be deterring, that we could be using to deter China.

00:55:27.000 But the other thing we can do to deter China is to let them know that the blood money they're spending for Russia in Ukraine right now will not be effective.

00:55:35.000 That we send Putin home with his tail between his legs and make them understand that the same fate waits for them if they decide to move towards Taiwan with a more aggressive nuclear sub-program we'll be able to make that threat real.

00:55:47.000 real.

00:55:58.000 We already have subs.

00:56:00.000 I don't think that it's a terrible idea to have more nuclear subs.

00:56:04.000 Trump probably just won't play.

00:56:06.000 And keep in mind the Chinese have nuclear subs on our west coast.

00:56:08.000 I don't think, I don't know if that's actually true.

00:56:10.000 I would be shocked if they didn't.

00:56:12.000 Are there more people watching the Trump rally?

00:56:14.000 No, no.

00:56:15.000 And the GOP debate's about 70k.

00:56:15.000 7,700.

00:56:18.000 But I can't, it's probably because it won't play.

00:56:20.000 The stream won't play.

00:56:20.000 That's so wild.

00:56:21.000 Yeah, that is what it is.

00:56:22.000 We can start recycling 95% of our spent nuclear fuel through closed system recycling systems and just...

00:56:29.000 Have so much more.

00:56:30.000 I mean, nuclear powered submarines is definitely the way with nuclear warheads.

00:56:33.000 Nuclear power in general is such a massive opportunity for America.

00:56:38.000 They haven't talked about graphene, which we're going to start.

00:56:40.000 If we're going to reindustrialize our Navy, it's going to be with lightweight graphene materials and hydrogen fuel and nuclear power.

00:56:46.000 These are the things that none of them got specific.

00:56:47.000 I know they're limited with time, and that's why the president usually has science advisors to advise them on those things.

00:56:53.000 Are you gunning for that job, Ian?

00:56:55.000 Yeah.

00:56:57.000 Gunning.

00:56:57.000 I like that metaphor.

00:56:59.000 I'm going to help the U.S.

00:57:00.000 Navy become the greatest on Earth.

00:57:01.000 I want ships that can go from underwater into outer space and back again.

00:57:05.000 Oh, I'm with you on that.

00:57:06.000 See, I told you, my concern is space.

00:57:09.000 As long as we're able to get up there, I'm happy.

00:57:12.000 Man, super lightweight submarines that can go up into orbit.

00:57:16.000 Energy tech.

00:57:17.000 We need better propulsion technology, better energy conversion technology, things like that.

00:57:21.000 Yes.

00:57:22.000 Yeah, like what, plutonium?

00:57:24.000 No, I don't know about that.

00:57:25.000 I defer to the nuclear science.

00:57:26.000 That stuff's very heavy.

00:57:27.000 Remember, nuclear subs are just, you know, it's just used to heat water.

00:57:33.000 You know, it's just a steam engine.

00:57:35.000 So the tech for nuclear sub to make the rotor spin is going to be significantly different to what would be necessary to actually have propulsion that can defeat... It's easy because they're floating.

00:57:45.000 Like piezoelectric power where you actually can vibrate substrates to create electrical current.

00:57:50.000 That's so you don't actually need steam.

00:57:51.000 Like that's the next step of energy production.

00:57:54.000 I don't, okay, I don't know how that would transfer into getting out to space.

00:57:59.000 It would be lighter weight than having fuel on board or something, or like hydrogen fuel.

00:58:03.000 Well, somebody already knows how to do it.

00:58:04.000 Have you guys seen these videos from, you know, the UFO files the government's been like slowly putting out that some of these have gone into the ocean?

00:58:12.000 They visually confirmed, like the pilots have seen them go into the ocean and come out.

00:58:17.000 I mean, somebody's figured it out.

00:58:19.000 I don't know who it is.

00:58:21.000 It's not hard to make an air and sea vehicle.

00:58:24.000 So we already have planes that can land on water.

00:58:28.000 You could probably, I don't think it's a great feat of engineering to figure out how to make something that's Yeah.

00:58:33.000 to submerge it and then come back out.

00:58:35.000 You know what I mean?

00:58:36.000 I think the speeds they're doing it and everything is really what they've been impressed by.

00:58:40.000 That's the biggest problem is if you're talking about getting into space, breaking Earth's

00:58:44.000 gravity is really, really, really hard.

00:58:48.000 It's 20,000 miles an hour is the speed you need to be to get out of Earth's gravity.

00:58:52.000 They've got those spin launch systems.

00:58:53.000 Have you seen those where they'll get it spinning really fast and you can get materials up really easy?

00:58:57.000 Yeah.

00:58:58.000 Slingshot, basically.

00:58:59.000 Spins around and then boom!

00:59:00.000 Straight up in the air.

00:59:01.000 That's cool.

00:59:02.000 Looks so cool.

00:59:03.000 And then another thing they do is they'll bring a plane as high up as possible and launch from the plane so that it cuts down on a lot of the energy usage.

00:59:13.000 But ultimately the plan is get everything on the moon.

00:59:16.000 You build a moon base.

00:59:18.000 This is the Artemis project, right?

00:59:19.000 Yeah.

00:59:20.000 You build a moon base so that you slowly transport energy and materials up there, and then you can launch for further missions.

00:59:28.000 Yeah, they're working on the space elevator on the moon.

00:59:30.000 Liftport is the company with Michael Lane.

00:59:32.000 He used to work at NASA, and they're aiming at doing it on the moon first because of the low gravity.

00:59:36.000 It's easier to get the elevator up and running.

00:59:38.000 And I think graphene is going to be the material for the tether, or at least it's going to be some sort of graphene alloy or something.

00:59:43.000 They're coming back to the debate.

00:59:45.000 Here we go.

00:59:47.000 Who's the biggest loser so far?

00:59:48.000 Tim Scott.

00:59:49.000 Yeah.

00:59:49.000 Scott.

00:59:50.000 And then Christy.

00:59:52.000 And welcome back to tonight's... Well, Christy's the biggest loser.

00:59:54.000 With this eventual debate, once again, here's Hugh Hewitt.

00:59:57.000 Thank you, Lester.

00:59:58.000 We're going to stay on China and we're going to talk specifically about TikTok.

01:00:02.000 Last week, Congressman Mike Gallagher, who is chairman of the House Bipartisan Select Committee, Maybe on the Chinese Communist Party published a long essay on TikTok following the flooding of pro-Hamas propaganda onto TikTok accounts across the United States.

01:00:17.000 Chairman Gallagher called it shocking.

01:00:19.000 He called the app predatory, controlled by America's preeminent adversary, one used to push propaganda and divide America.

01:00:27.000 It's spyware, he said, a means of surveillance.

01:00:30.000 Governor Christie, do you agree with Chairman Gallagher?

01:00:32.000 And if so, would you ban or force the sale of TikTok?

01:00:36.000 I agree 100% with Chairman Gallagher and let me say this.

01:00:40.000 TikTok is not only spyware.

01:00:43.000 It is polluting the minds of American young people all throughout this country, and they're doing it intentionally.

01:00:51.000 And when you saw what happened in the last few weeks, with all of this anti-Semitic, horrible stuff that their algorithms were pushing out at a gargantuan rate, this is China trying to further divide So there was data showing that despite there being more pro-Palestine posts, they weren't getting very many views.

01:01:13.000 And then a week later, like on the dot, 10x the views, 100x the views, which is more indicative of an algorithmic boost to those posts.

01:01:21.000 100%.

01:01:21.000 And now since then, we've had an additional nearly six years of this type of poison be put out throughout the United

01:01:31.000 States, even putting aside the spying, which we know is going on in the theft of American personal

01:01:37.000 data and information.

01:01:38.000 So in my first week as president, we would ban TikTok.

01:01:44.000 They want to go ahead and sell it?

01:01:46.000 Let them go ahead and sell it.

01:01:47.000 But I'll tell you another reason we would do it.

01:01:49.000 What mechanism does the president have to ban a social media site?

01:01:52.000 Facebook's not in China.

01:01:53.000 Well, I think it's because of TikTok's ownership structure.

01:01:53.000 X is not in China.

01:01:56.000 They're not permitting a free flow of information to the Chinese people from our social media companies.

01:02:00.000 Or put restrictions on it in a certain way.

01:02:01.000 Yeah, make them free their software code to operate in the U.S.

01:02:03.000 Well, they can't do that.

01:02:04.000 Actually, they might be able to.

01:02:05.000 It's a foreign company.

01:02:07.000 Poisoning American minds and I would do it week one.

01:02:10.000 Thank you governor.

01:02:11.000 I want to go to governor Would you ban or force the sale of tik-tok regardless of whether or not China allowed American apps to operate in China?

01:02:20.000 Yes, I think that China is the top threat we face.

01:02:22.000 They've been very effective at infiltrating different parts of our society.

01:02:27.000 So my policy on China and the Chinese Communist Party is very simple.

01:02:30.000 We win, they lose.

01:02:32.000 And in order to do that, it's not just military, it's economic, and it's cultural.

01:02:37.000 And as the dad of a 6'5 and a 3-year-old, I'm concerned about the data that they're getting from our You don't have to be attached to these things.

01:02:45.000 I'm decoupling.

01:02:46.000 the minds of our young people. These kids get these devices and they have a mind of their own.

01:02:46.000 I have a 14-year-old.

01:02:51.000 And I know a lot of parents are looking, it's hard to even keep it out. China's obviously the most

01:02:56.000 extreme, but this is happening with other things. So we are going to do that and we're going to make

01:03:01.000 sure to protect the American people. It's a full spectrum approach to be able to fend China off.

01:03:06.000 Like yes, military deterrence. Yes, economic decoupling.

01:03:09.000 And parents need to parent. I have a 14 year old, she doesn't have TikTok.

01:03:13.000 If we ignore that, we're not gonna get it.

01:03:15.000 And she doesn't want it.

01:03:16.000 She doesn't want TikTok.

01:03:18.000 My nephews go to public school.

01:03:20.000 They're not like, you know, tucked away.

01:03:23.000 My sister's a normie bank manager.

01:03:25.000 She's as normie as you get.

01:03:26.000 to the fact that two people hit me and you didn't let me respond.

01:03:28.000 So let's first talk about the bridge.

01:03:31.000 It's probably because she's a woman, right?

01:03:33.000 It's from 10 years ago.

01:03:34.000 Yes, I brought a fiberglass company 10 years ago to South Carolina.

01:03:38.000 But Ron, you are the chair of your economic development agency

01:03:42.000 that as of last week said Florida is the ideal place for Chinese businesses.

01:03:49.000 Not only that, you have a company that is manufacturer of Chinese military planes.

01:03:56.000 You have it.

01:03:57.000 They are expanding two training sites at two of your airports now.

01:04:00.000 One, which is 12 miles away from a naval base.

01:04:04.000 Then you have another company that's expanding, and they were just invaded by the Department of Homeland Security.

01:04:10.000 So, mine was ten years ago.

01:04:11.000 You gave them stuff.

01:04:12.000 Yours was six months ago.

01:04:13.000 What's your story?

01:04:13.000 I didn't give them anything.

01:04:15.000 And I abolished that agency that she's talking about.

01:04:18.000 Enterprise Florida?

01:04:19.000 We abolished it, and of course we banned China from buying land.

01:04:22.000 He scrubbed the website last week.

01:04:24.000 Not exactly a great recruiting pitch if you're banning them from purchasing land at all.

01:04:28.000 You scrubbed the website last week.

01:04:31.000 Mr. Ramaswamy, we've talked about this.

01:04:34.000 You campaign on TikTok.

01:04:36.000 How do you get TikTok banned if you use it?

01:04:39.000 Well, I want to laugh at why Nikki Haley didn't answer your question, which is about looking at families in the eye.

01:04:44.000 In the last debate, she made fun of me for actually joining TikTok while her own daughter was actually using the app for a long time.

01:04:50.000 So you might want to take care of your family first.

01:04:52.000 The next generation of Americans are using it.

01:04:59.000 Yeah, parent your kid, dude.

01:05:00.000 That's what I just said, wasn't it?

01:05:01.000 You're just scum.

01:05:02.000 wasn't it? The easy answer is to say that we're just gonna ban one app. We got to go further.

01:05:02.000 Oh, you're just scum.

01:05:08.000 We have to ban any US company actually transferring US data to the Chinese.

01:05:14.000 Here's a story most people don't know. Airbnb hands over US user data to the CCP.

01:05:21.000 Now that's a US-owned company.

01:05:22.000 owned company.

01:05:23.000 So this is the problem when you have Republicans that temporarily go the way the winds blow and now it's popular to talk tough on China when she was U.N.

01:05:30.000 ambassador, called them literally her words, not mine, our great friend.

01:05:34.000 You can't be fair weather fans of the right policy.

01:05:36.000 Get to the root cause.

01:05:38.000 Even U.S.

01:05:39.000 companies in Silicon Valley are regularly doing it.

01:05:43.000 Cut the virtue signaling.

01:05:44.000 The fact of the matter is Democrats are on TikTok today.

01:05:47.000 The only person, one of the few people, who is putting up content the way the actual algorithms work, speaking for pro-Israel views or others, is me.

01:05:55.000 More Republicans will join it.

01:05:56.000 Yeah, no, it's a good point.

01:05:59.000 If it's not banned, we should have our people on TikTok.

01:06:04.000 Thank you very much.

01:06:05.000 You know, when he talks about me praising China, he doesn't know the fact that the reason China was praised was because I negotiated with China and Russia the largest set of sanctions against North Korea in a generation.

01:06:17.000 That is literally the reason North Korea stopped testing ballistic missiles.

01:06:21.000 So I said China did good on their part.

01:06:24.000 That was a negotiation.

01:06:25.000 You said they were our great friend, is what you said, Nikki.

01:06:27.000 Those are your words, not mine.

01:06:28.000 Just own up to it.

01:06:29.000 You can change your mind.

01:06:30.000 That's allowed.

01:06:31.000 That's allowed.

01:06:32.000 North Korea has had no material effect on our lives.

01:06:35.000 My entire career at the United Nations, every day I fought China and I did it by making sure no one could get any agency heads in UN.

01:06:44.000 I did it by making sure that we Call them out on human rights.

01:06:48.000 I did it by making sure that we held them accountable on everything that they did.

01:06:53.000 That's the reason we got out of the Human Rights Council.

01:06:55.000 That's the reason we called them out.

01:06:57.000 And there's not going to stay.

01:06:58.000 I haven't stopped.

01:07:00.000 It is your turn, Mr. Ramaswamy.

01:07:03.000 Everybody else is hanging on to the rules here, Mr. Ramaswamy.

01:07:06.000 Senator Scott.

01:07:07.000 Thank you.

01:07:08.000 We should.

01:07:08.000 No, no, let's mute it.

01:07:11.000 I don't think you can ban companies that interact with China.

01:07:15.000 I love how you've just gone to muting his answers at this point.

01:07:17.000 If you're constantly banning companies that interact with China, you're going to be chasing the tail, always be right behind the company that just did it, and the data's going to cause it.

01:07:25.000 So you need to force them to open up the code ahead of time, so you can see which ones are sending it, and immediately cut it off.

01:07:32.000 I like Tim Scott, but he should not be up there.

01:07:38.000 Yeah, he should stay a senator.

01:07:41.000 I think if the people in his state are happy with it, let's stick with that.

01:07:44.000 I just want to say, you guys know the story of the turtle and the rabbit or whatever?

01:07:48.000 You know, basically the story goes, and the turtle was really, really slow, and the rabbit was chillin', takin' it easy, and then the turtle tried as hard as it could, but the rabbit just, you know, leisurely scrolled across the finish line, and Tim Scott's a turtle.

01:07:48.000 Yeah.

01:07:59.000 So, there you go.

01:08:01.000 Pretty sure that's how the story went.

01:08:02.000 It's the other way around.

01:08:03.000 The turtle won the race because he never stopped.

01:08:05.000 I know, I'm kidding.

01:08:07.000 ...buying our farmlands.

01:08:08.000 We talked about this several times.

01:08:09.000 He's a tortoise, yeah.

01:08:09.000 He's a tortoise.

01:08:10.000 We have to make sure that we use the tools that are in our toolkit to stop China from buying farmland near our bases.

01:08:18.000 The third thing we have to do is make sure that they stop stealing our intellectual property.

01:08:24.000 They're literally stealing... I'm sorry.

01:08:26.000 I gotta say something.

01:08:28.000 I've had people tell me Because, like, we watch this stuff, we'll read news stories, and I'll, you know, like, I'm muting Tim Scott.

01:08:36.000 And then people will be like, hey, but, you know, like, what if you want to get him on the show at some point?

01:08:38.000 I'm like, dude!

01:08:41.000 I've had people ask me about this with prominent people, like, oh, but if you criticize them, like, what if they don't come on your show?

01:08:45.000 I'm like, I guess they don't come on my show!

01:08:46.000 I guess we don't get the biggest show in the world.

01:08:48.000 I'm not gonna, you know, play this game, and some of the bigger shows are willing to do it.

01:08:52.000 Less partisan ones.

01:08:54.000 They'll absolutely be like, I don't want to be too mean to somebody, because they're hoping they can book them later.

01:08:57.000 I know what you mean, because it could help everybody if we get Tim Scott in the room and we're able to, like, talk some sense into him.

01:09:02.000 Yeah.

01:09:04.000 I mean the problem is though, you're just gonna get very boilerplate political answers.

01:09:09.000 Exactly.

01:09:10.000 They're never willing to go past, and I think that's really, that is the future of America.

01:09:15.000 If we're gonna save this country, it's gonna be that we have a whole lot more truth-tellers who are willing to have hard conversations, who are willing to act like normal people and not go act like robots.

01:09:25.000 Who finds this attractive in our generation?

01:09:27.000 Nobody.

01:09:28.000 These people are living off the politics of the 90s and how our generation operates.

01:09:33.000 They're thinking about the future.

01:09:34.000 That's why he's doing this.

01:09:36.000 We're going to lower energy costs, but we're also going to be more energy independent and secure.

01:09:42.000 We'll choose Midland over Moscow, we'll choose the Marcellus over the Mulas, and we'll choose Bakken over Beijing.

01:09:49.000 That is good for America's national security.

01:09:52.000 Biden's Green New Deal?

01:09:53.000 That's good for Venezuela, it's good for Russia, it's good for Iran, and it's good for China.

01:09:58.000 So I would turn the screws on the Venezuelan regime.

01:10:01.000 I think it's a corrupt dictatorial regime, and we should never go hat in hand begging for oil from them.

01:10:09.000 Just to be clear, would you reimpose the sanctions?

01:10:11.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:10:12.000 Ambassador Haley, what would your approach be?

01:10:14.000 You know, I stood on the Salmon Boulevard Bridge and watched thousands of Venezuelans cross for hours in the hot sun holding their babies to get the one meal they might get that day going from Venezuela to Colombia.

01:10:27.000 They were fleeing socialism and begging for freedom.

01:10:30.000 We need to make sure that we do everything we can to sanction Maduro.

01:10:34.000 We shouldn't be getting dirty oil.

01:10:36.000 And Biden just gave 500,000 Venezuelans temporary priority status, which is just going to have more of them come.

01:10:42.000 But on the energy side, it cracks me up that Ron continues to do this.

01:10:46.000 He has opposed fracking.

01:10:48.000 He's opposed drilling.

01:10:49.000 Last time he said it wasn't true.

01:10:51.000 And everybody found out that it was true.

01:10:53.000 He opposed it before Florida voters even voted on it.

01:10:56.000 He was praised by the Sierra Club, and you're trying to make up for it and act like you weren't a liberal when it comes to the environment.

01:11:04.000 You always have been.

01:11:04.000 You were.

01:11:05.000 Just own it, if that's the case.

01:11:07.000 But don't keep saying you're something that you're not.

01:11:09.000 Let me respond to that.

01:11:11.000 So, our whole energy plan, you can't get the shale without fracking.

01:11:16.000 We are absolutely going to frack, but I disagree with Nikki Haley.

01:11:19.000 I don't think it's a good idea to drill in the Florida Everglades, and I know most Floridians agree with me.

01:11:24.000 You ban fracking.

01:11:26.000 Yeah, she's conflating the nuance of Florida.

01:11:33.000 In Florida, it's very clear, nobody wants the Everglades drone.

01:11:36.000 Yeah, that's been a longtime thing.

01:11:38.000 Both parties, everybody's universally agreed on that.

01:11:42.000 You've all said the best way to deal with rising prices is to cut government spending.

01:11:47.000 But that would take time to play out, and Americans are struggling right now.

01:11:50.000 Senator Scott, I'll start with you.

01:11:52.000 What would you do the moment you- There we go.

01:11:55.000 I'll get a drink.

01:11:56.000 It'd be good if any of them knew.

01:12:00.000 My mother was a single mother who raised me and my brother in a very challenging economic situation.

01:12:05.000 The first thing I can tell you is that when your gas prices are 40% higher right now than they were just a little over two years ago, that's not a problem for my mama.

01:12:15.000 That was a crisis.

01:12:16.000 The first thing I would do as president of the United States is I would sign the XL Keystone Pipeline and start seeing resources flow.

01:12:24.000 Secondly, I would do is make sure that there's certainty and predictability so that those

01:12:28.000 folks who have the leases in our country would have the certainty and predictability to go

01:12:32.000 ahead and become energy independent.

01:12:35.000 We should focus not just on being energy independent.

01:12:39.000 We should focus on being energy dominant.

01:12:42.000 America is the home to more energy resources than any other country on the planet.

01:12:50.000 We can reduce the price of energy, we can reduce the price of food and the price of

01:12:55.000 electricity if we focus on my build here, don't borrow from China plan.

01:13:02.000 That is embedded in the made in America strategy.

01:13:05.000 Build here, don't borrow from China.

01:13:06.000 That is 10 million new jobs in three different areas.

01:13:10.000 One is innovation.

01:13:12.000 Second is the high-tech manufacturing.

01:13:15.000 And the third is the energy economy.

01:13:18.000 We have an opportunity as Americans to actually export the surplus energy that we create.

01:13:25.000 New rule.

01:13:26.000 Any debate requires a random tradesman from a random part of the country who's gotta be between the ages of like 30 and 50 to be on that stage at the same time as all the politicians who's not running.

01:13:37.000 Yeah, that would be amazing.

01:13:39.000 I should clarify, the most uranium comes out of Canada, Australia, Kazakhstan.

01:13:43.000 Russia has the largest enrichment program in the US, gets a lot from them.

01:13:46.000 If we did that, let's just say you got a 40-year-old plumber on that stage, they'd be like, the thing about Vladimir Putin and the Baltic states, he'd be like...

01:13:55.000 What the f*** you talking about?

01:13:57.000 I'm trying to get gas for my kids to go to school.

01:13:59.000 What is this?

01:14:00.000 Yeah.

01:14:01.000 When you allow for those who have leases to actually start drilling, to start using those leases for more energy excavation, you put our economy in the strongest position, and as a result of that...

01:14:01.000 Yep.

01:14:01.000 100%.

01:14:14.000 Prices are going down.

01:14:16.000 That is the kind of economy that, as President of the United States, I would lead this nation to making sure that we first use the resources in our own country and not going outside of our country in order to exceed our objective.

01:14:30.000 This is all no-brainer stuff.

01:14:31.000 I don't understand, like, who's innovating something?

01:14:33.000 Who's gonna do something really impressive?

01:14:35.000 Yeah, Rice University.

01:14:36.000 I gotta say, when I tweeted... James Tour.

01:14:39.000 I tweeted, holy F, Dick Cheney and Three Inch Hills, Vivek Rost, Nikki Haley.

01:14:42.000 Everyone's like, he was talking about Ron.

01:14:45.000 Luke tweeted, you sure that wasn't about Ron?

01:14:48.000 Everyone's saying the same thing.

01:14:50.000 Let me ask the same question to Governor DeSantis.

01:14:54.000 You ticked off a number of things a moment ago, but some specific examples of ways that would put people on a better economic footing right away.

01:15:03.000 So I started off working minimum wage jobs.

01:15:05.000 I did $6 an hour as an electrician's assistant.

01:15:08.000 I worked all kinds of things to be able to get through school.

01:15:10.000 And I did that because I believed in America, if you work hard and get the most out of your God-given ability, you can get ahead.

01:15:17.000 And what's happening now, many of you are working hard and you're falling further and further behind.

01:15:22.000 I've met people in Iowa, New Hampshire, and all across the country who've talked about all the burdens that they're facing with the rising prices.

01:15:29.000 And I've heard from multiple people the same story.

01:15:32.000 When they go grocery shopping, what they now do is they figure out what they have to take out of the cart once it's ringing up, because it rings up so much faster and so much higher at the cash register that they can't afford the full cart of groceries anymore.

01:15:47.000 We have to restore the American dream in this country.

01:15:51.000 What can you do on day one?

01:15:52.000 Here's what I'm going to do.

01:15:53.000 I'm going to take all the executive orders, the regulations, everything involving Bidenomics.

01:15:59.000 I'm going to rip it up.

01:16:00.000 I'm going to throw it in the trash can on day one where it belongs.

01:16:03.000 That is going to give the economy breathing room.

01:16:06.000 And I'm also going to rein in the Federal Reserve.

01:16:08.000 They have helped create, with their reckless monetary policy, what we have faced since the COVID-19 pandemic.

01:16:16.000 They botched it.

01:16:17.000 Congress botched it.

01:16:18.000 Both parties are to blame.

01:16:20.000 The Fed should focus on stable prices.

01:16:22.000 They are not an economic central planner for the American people.

01:16:26.000 Governor, thank you.

01:16:26.000 Mr. Ramaswamy, weigh in on this.

01:16:28.000 Ways that you can improve people's financial conditions in the short term.

01:16:32.000 As a CEO, the economic question is core to my vision and policy prescription for this country.

01:16:38.000 Increase the supply of everything.

01:16:40.000 It's the law of supplies and demand.

01:16:41.000 Increase the supply of energy.

01:16:43.000 That brings down the cost of energy, grows the economy.

01:16:46.000 Drill, frack, burn coal, embrace nuclear.

01:16:49.000 Increase the supply of labor in this country.

01:16:52.000 Stop using our taxpayer money to pay people more to stay at home instead of to go to work.

01:16:58.000 Increase the supply of housing.

01:17:00.000 People don't talk about this one in the Republican Party.

01:17:02.000 The land use restrictions are constricting the supply of housing.

01:17:05.000 That's making housing more expensive for ordinary Americans across the area.

01:17:09.000 Young people can't afford them.

01:17:10.000 And I think it takes a CEO in the White House who actually understands this to get this done.

01:17:10.000 So that's the true answer.

01:17:15.000 Because Americans at home, they know that Bidenomics is a lie.

01:17:18.000 Prices are going up.

01:17:20.000 Interest rates and mortgages to buy your home are going up.

01:17:23.000 But wages have remained flat.

01:17:25.000 That's the hard diagnosis for our economy.

01:17:28.000 And this is about more than just our economy.

01:17:29.000 I say this as a member of my generation.

01:17:32.000 I'm 38 years old.

01:17:33.000 I'm the youngest person ever to run for U.S.

01:17:34.000 President as a Republican.

01:17:36.000 The reason my generation has lost our sense of national pride in part is because people in my generation feel like the American Dream isn't available to them.

01:17:45.000 And part of the reason why is we've burdened them with four-year college degrees that did not serve their head start on the American Dream.

01:17:52.000 People will be more proud of a country if we're all making more money in that country.

01:17:57.000 This is how we revive national pride in our identity, and it will take a CEO in the White House with zero-based budgeting, by the way, to take on the federal debt to get this job done.

01:18:05.000 Let me turn to Governor Christie on that.

01:18:08.000 I tweeted at Luke, Hey Luke, can you see Ron's shoes?

01:18:11.000 He said, not yet, but we'll send a picture soon.

01:18:13.000 I was going to ask him to scream out graphene.

01:18:15.000 Energy is the key to this because it drives every one of those other prices.

01:18:19.000 You know how food gets to your grocery store?

01:18:22.000 It gets trucked.

01:18:23.000 And those truckers have to pay for fuel for the higher fuel prices.

01:18:26.000 And when you go ahead and you tell people we are going to unleash every bit of American energy, every bit of its potential, What happens in the futures markets?

01:18:37.000 The prices go down.

01:18:39.000 Because those people who are believing that the Biden program will continue are the ones who are bidding this up.

01:18:44.000 And let me take the other place that's bidding it up.

01:18:46.000 In the Middle East.

01:18:47.000 And so if you don't believe that making sure that Israel and that Israel situation that's going on right now isn't resolved and resolved quickly as President of the

01:18:57.000 United States and brings stability back that will also not permit countries like Saudi Arabia

01:19:03.000 and others to be able to jack their prices as well.

01:19:06.000 You know what they see as a response to a crisis when it's really what it's in response

01:19:10.000 to is putting more money in their pockets.

01:19:12.000 When they have an American president who knows that Israel must be defended not with humanitarian

01:19:17.000 pauses and not with suggestions for ceasefire but with letting them know we will supply

01:19:22.000 them with everything they need that will also bring stability to the market.

01:19:27.000 Energy is the key to bringing this down.

01:19:29.000 It's what every American family needs when they turn on their lights, fill up their car

01:19:33.000 and go to the grocery store and we need to do that first and foremost.

01:19:37.000 That's the short term answer.

01:19:41.000 I did a killer video with Yehezkel Moskowitz yesterday.

01:19:44.000 He wants to reuse spent fuel and thorium salt on my YouTube channel for an hour.

01:19:49.000 I like what Chris Christie was saying about grocery stores because I appreciate when a man talks about what they're really an expert in.

01:19:56.000 He is an expert at grocery bills.

01:19:59.000 Well, I'm a product of rural America.

01:20:01.000 I grew up in rural South Carolina.

01:20:03.000 And I can tell you what we're seeing now in America is the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.

01:20:08.000 We have to go and start beefing up the middle class.

01:20:11.000 And the first thing I would do is I will eliminate the federal gas and diesel tax.

01:20:15.000 I thought she was going to say Iran.

01:20:18.000 class, but we have a spending binge that's happening by Republicans and Democrats in

01:20:23.000 Congress. I will make sure one we claw back the 500 billion dollars of unspent COVID dollars

01:20:28.000 that are out there instead of 87,000 IRS agents going after middle America will go after the

01:20:33.000 hundreds of billions of dollars of fraud that exists. One out of that will invade around.

01:20:38.000 We'll stop the spending. We'll stop the borrowing. We'll eliminate the earmarks.

01:20:42.000 And I'll veto any spending bill that doesn't go back to pre COVID levels.

01:20:46.000 That will cut trillions and allow us to be safe.

01:20:50.000 We also need to be not energy-independent, energy-dominant.

01:20:54.000 We are blessed with resources, let's do it.

01:20:56.000 But the reason no one should give you a number, Hugh, on the amount of ships in the Navy is because in a few years, our interest expense is going to be more than our defense budget.

01:21:08.000 So no one can give you that number realistically without first tackling what's happening with the financial situation.

01:21:15.000 It would be a false number to give you that.

01:21:18.000 We have got to understand, this is a crisis.

01:21:21.000 It is a national security concern.

01:21:23.000 If we don't deal with what's going to happen with that interest expense in a few years, we're going to look like Japan.

01:21:28.000 And we can't let that happen.

01:21:30.000 The strong dollar matters.

01:21:32.000 Ambassador, thank you very much.

01:21:36.000 Americans could see their Social Security benefits drastically cut in the next decade because the program is running out of money.

01:21:44.000 Former President Trump has said, quote, under no circumstances should Republicans cut entitlements.

01:21:50.000 Governor Christie, first to you, you have proposed raising the retirement age for younger Americans.

01:21:55.000 What would that age be specifically and would you consider making any other reforms to Social Security?

01:22:00.000 Sure, and we have to deal with this problem.

01:22:02.000 Now look, if we raise the retirement age a few years for folks that are in their 30s and 40s, I have a son who's in the audience tonight that's 30 years old.

01:22:10.000 If he can't adjust to a few year increase in social security retirement age over the next 40 years, I got bigger problems with him than his social security payments.

01:22:19.000 Are there any millennials that have a retirement plan?

01:22:22.000 Almost none.

01:22:24.000 And the fact that these people can sit up there on stage and say, we need to spend our money in Ukraine to kill young Ukrainian men and women at the same time as they tell us we need to wait longer to retire than they did or their parents did.

01:22:39.000 No, I'm good.

01:22:40.000 I'm finished with these people's foreign policy.

01:22:43.000 It's what got us here.

01:22:44.000 Their policies got us here.

01:22:46.000 Shame on you.

01:22:47.000 You shouldn't be taking the money.

01:22:49.000 There are a lot of programs in this country that we all pay for.

01:22:52.000 That we don't get a direct benefit from.

01:22:55.000 Food stamps is one of them.

01:22:57.000 I've never, fortunately in my life, ever had me or my family on food stamps.

01:23:01.000 I've gotten EBT.

01:23:01.000 But I'm glad it's there.

01:23:02.000 In two different states.

01:23:03.000 So that no one in this country goes to bed hungry at night if they have availability to that program.

01:23:08.000 But I don't get a direct benefit.

01:23:10.000 The fact is on Social Security, remember why it was established.

01:23:13.000 It was established as a safety net program to make sure that no one would grow old in this country in poverty.

01:23:19.000 That's what we've got to get back to.

01:23:20.000 Rich people should not be collecting Social Security.

01:23:22.000 Governor, can you give me a specific age?

01:23:25.000 What would the age be?

01:23:26.000 Look, that's going to be a power of negotiation with Congress, Kirsten.

01:23:29.000 I'm not going to start negotiating until I get there.

01:23:29.000 204!

01:23:32.000 All right, Ambassador Haley, let me have you weigh in on this because you said in June that you would be open to raising the retirement age.

01:23:40.000 Have you determined what that age would be specifically?

01:23:42.000 Lower the age.

01:23:43.000 And what other reforms are you looking at?

01:23:43.000 30.

01:23:44.000 So first of all, any candidate that tells you that they're not going to take on entitlements is not being serious.

01:23:50.000 Social Security will go bankrupt in 10 years.

01:23:52.000 Medicare will go bankrupt in 8.

01:23:53.000 Maybe because you keep spending our money in Ukraine.

01:23:55.000 Right now you have Ron and Trump.

01:23:56.000 How were we not promised this?

01:23:58.000 saying they're not going to change or do any sort of entitlement reform.

01:24:02.000 What we need to do is keep our promises.

01:24:04.000 Those that have been promised should keep it.

01:24:06.000 But for like my kids in their 20s, you go and you say we're going to change the rules.

01:24:10.000 You change the retirement age for them.

01:24:12.000 How are we not promised this?

01:24:14.000 We all promised this too?

01:24:15.000 We should go to increases based on inflation.

01:24:17.000 We should limit benefits on the wealthy.

01:24:19.000 Bernie Marcus can tell you he hates getting that check.

01:24:22.000 Limit the benefits on the wealthy, and then expand Medicare Advantage plans.

01:24:27.000 Seniors love that, and let's make sure we do that so that they can have more competition.

01:24:31.000 That's how we'll deal with entitlement reform, and that's how we'll start to pay down this debt.

01:24:34.000 And can you give me a specific age?

01:24:36.000 Have you determined the age?

01:24:37.000 Again, you have to work with... Chris, what I can tell you is it's going to be those in their 20s just coming into the system, and it should reflect more of life expectancy.

01:24:46.000 It doesn't do that now.

01:24:47.000 Alright, Mr. Ramaswamy, have you determined if you would touch entitlements and Social Security?

01:24:52.000 What, if any, reforms are you looking at?

01:24:54.000 So this is really important right now.

01:24:56.000 We're working within the last window, I believe, we will have to actually fix this problem while still leaving Social Security and Medicare benefits for current seniors intact.

01:25:05.000 I'll tell you how.

01:25:06.000 The other candidates assume, like Nikki, that it can't be done.

01:25:09.000 And on her math, she's right about it.

01:25:11.000 But her math assumes $7 trillion of our $33 trillion national debt going to fight wars like in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

01:25:20.000 Minus that, our national debt would be $26 trillion right now.

01:25:25.000 Then you go to zero-based budgeting, which I've proposed as a CEO.

01:25:28.000 It's how I've run businesses.

01:25:29.000 It's how many CEOs run businesses.

01:25:31.000 Don't use last year's budget as the baseline.

01:25:34.000 Start with zero as the baseline, and then ask what's actually necessary.

01:25:39.000 75% headcount reduction.

01:25:41.000 Yes, that is severe in the number of federal employees in Washington, D.C.

01:25:45.000 Yes, what do these people do?

01:25:46.000 They do nothing.

01:25:47.000 That should not exist.

01:25:49.000 Deliver economic growth as a positive tailwind.

01:25:52.000 I think we can get to three, four, maybe even five percent GDP growth if we really take the regulatory shackles off of our economy.

01:26:00.000 And against that backdrop, I believe this is our last best window to be able to take care of our national debt problem through those severe measures, including sacrificing the foreign wars that many bloodthirsty members of both parties have a hunger for.

01:26:13.000 That's the one sale for how we're going to be able to do this requires discipline.

01:26:18.000 So we can't have the first conversation we were having sending foreign aid willy-nilly to countries whose national debt per capita is less than ours.

01:26:26.000 But if we do this correctly, I think this is our last window and it'll take a CEO from the next generation to do it.

01:26:31.000 He's correct.

01:26:32.000 He's correct.

01:26:34.000 You can fix this problem for young people, but you have to be innovative.

01:26:37.000 The bottom line is a simple one.

01:26:38.000 We have to grow our economy.

01:26:40.000 Yeah, cheap energy.

01:26:40.000 We're not doing that.

01:26:42.000 Cheap fuel.

01:26:43.000 I actually was pulling this up.

01:26:45.000 We can use our Navy to recover the plastic in the Pacific Gyre.

01:26:48.000 You guys remember the Pacific Garbage Patch?

01:26:49.000 This thing the size of Texas.

01:26:52.000 All this floating crap.

01:26:53.000 But it's not dense.

01:26:55.000 Yeah, Boyan Slat has something called the Ocean Cleanup Project, where they take boats out with large tethers and they let the ocean filter itself into it, then they recollect it that way.

01:27:04.000 It's not coming from the U.S.

01:27:05.000 either.

01:27:06.000 Yeah, and so we can actually steal it.

01:27:08.000 I mean, you can maybe consider stealing it with our Navy, but we go recover it first, then we flash-jewel it, turn it into graphene and hydrogen fuel, and then we can retrofit our economy, our energy system.

01:27:17.000 So, an interesting thing that's happened, actually, is that a bacteria has emerged that eats plastic.

01:27:22.000 Nature finds a way.

01:27:22.000 Yeah.

01:27:23.000 There's a fungus called Pestiolopsis microspora that breaks it down into sugar and there is also bacteria that breaks it down.

01:27:29.000 You know, I think we have a problem in our country that we have all these very smart people, very innovative, amazing people, and we use absolutely none of them to do incredible, amazing things.

01:27:41.000 It's all in private business.

01:27:42.000 Our government does nothing.

01:27:43.000 So, like, don't hope for them to go do this and steal this with the Navy and turn it into energy because they're not interested in being innovative in any way.

01:27:50.000 It's crazy to me how correct Vivek is, yet we have these four other people who are just like, well, how about we go blow people up?

01:27:56.000 And it's just like, Vivek's like, we got the zero budgeting from zero.

01:28:02.000 Basic business principle.

01:28:04.000 Laying people off.

01:28:04.000 Very basic.

01:28:06.000 I'm sorry.

01:28:07.000 Sacrificing our former... I love that line.

01:28:09.000 No, we just don't do them.

01:28:10.000 You got all these people who are like, why do I have to retire later?

01:28:12.000 Oh, because we sent billions of dollars to Ukraine.

01:28:14.000 Exactly.

01:28:14.000 Have a nice day.

01:28:15.000 And Afghanistan.

01:28:16.000 And Iraq.

01:28:17.000 Right.

01:28:17.000 And all these other places.

01:28:18.000 By the way, there's all these other places that we're involved in spending tons of money in that we don't even talk about.

01:28:23.000 Like Syria.

01:28:24.000 We've spent a ton of money in Syria.

01:28:26.000 We've spent money in Libya.

01:28:27.000 We spend money in Africa.

01:28:29.000 All over the place.

01:28:30.000 That line that... To get no discernible Anything for the American people.

01:28:34.000 The line that Vivek started with early, the spent trillions, killed millions, and made billions for themselves.

01:28:41.000 That's a really good line, and it sums it up very nicely in a way that most people can understand.

01:28:46.000 It's true.

01:28:47.000 Thank you, Senator.

01:28:48.000 I appreciate it.

01:28:49.000 Governor DeSantis, finally to you.

01:28:50.000 Would you be open to raising the retirement age, and how would you keep Social Security sustainable?

01:28:56.000 Well look, as governor of Florida, I know a few people on Social Security, and I know it's important.

01:29:02.000 My grandmother lived till 91, and Social Security was her sole source of income, and that's true for a lot of seniors throughout this country.

01:29:09.000 So what I'd say to seniors in America, promise made, promise kept.

01:29:13.000 I understand what you're going through with the rising prices, and you need that social security check.

01:29:19.000 So we'll make sure to get that done.

01:29:21.000 What can you do to help shore up social security?

01:29:23.000 One of the things that's causing problems is the inflation.

01:29:26.000 We have to reduce inflation.

01:29:28.000 When you have higher inflation, the seniors get a cost of living adjustment, which means the program's spending more, but it doesn't cover the increase in the actual inflation rate.

01:29:38.000 We also do need to get to at least 3% growth.

01:29:41.000 You're never going to be able to have issues, be able to solve the budget without that.

01:29:45.000 But I would note this.

01:29:47.000 Congress for decades took money from Social Security.

01:29:50.000 Social Security would have more tax revenue than it put out.

01:29:53.000 They would take it, and then they'd write an IOU to Social Security.

01:29:57.000 Congress has a lot of dirty hands on this.

01:30:00.000 I'm going to force Congress to stop spending so much money.

01:30:04.000 And you know, one thing we have to do when we talk about the retirement age is just something that's changed in the last four or five years.

01:30:09.000 Life expectancy in the United States is declining.

01:30:12.000 So Governor, yes or no, would you raise it?

01:30:13.000 Would you raise the retirement age?

01:30:15.000 When life expectancy is declining, I don't see how you could raise it the other direction.

01:30:19.000 So it's one thing to peg it on life expectancy, but we have had a significant decline in life expectancy in this country, and that's just a fact.

01:30:27.000 All right, Governor DeSantis, thank you.

01:30:28.000 Thank you, candidates, and we will be right back.

01:30:30.000 That was a more political answer.

01:30:31.000 Did you hear?

01:30:32.000 Ann Wokeness tweeted, an old man shot two climate activists who are blocking a highway in Panama.

01:30:32.000 What is this?

01:30:37.000 Is that true?

01:30:38.000 I can't find it.

01:30:39.000 I see the picture, but I don't see any sources.

01:30:41.000 I haven't heard of this.

01:30:42.000 Yeah, he got into a dispute.

01:30:45.000 He literally walked up to him and he pulled out the gun.

01:30:47.000 He was like, get out of the road, essentially.

01:30:48.000 How good is the Ann Wokeness account?

01:30:50.000 Yeah.

01:30:51.000 It's pretty good.

01:30:51.000 They're pretty good.

01:30:52.000 They're really good stuff, yeah.

01:30:54.000 And wokeness.

01:30:55.000 My friend tweeted about this.

01:30:57.000 But I need a news source on this one.

01:30:59.000 I don't know.

01:31:00.000 I've seen it shared by multiple people.

01:31:02.000 He was arrested.

01:31:04.000 I've seen... I don't know which website actually, or which Twitter account actually has the video of it.

01:31:13.000 But I retweeted about it a little bit.

01:31:15.000 There's video of it?

01:31:15.000 The shooting?

01:31:17.000 I don't know if there's video of him actually shooting.

01:31:19.000 There's a photo of him holding a gun.

01:31:22.000 Holding a gun and confronting them.

01:31:23.000 There's video of him talking to the people, but I don't know if anyone got the video of the actual shots being fired.

01:31:28.000 Wow.

01:31:30.000 I'm searching for it right now.

01:31:31.000 I mean, people are really getting fed up with climate activists, especially as more people... Oh yeah, here's the video.

01:31:37.000 There's video of it?

01:31:39.000 Not of the shooting.

01:31:40.000 Oh.

01:31:43.000 Oh, man, he- Whoa!

01:31:44.000 Yeah, this is real.

01:31:46.000 Yeah.

01:31:48.000 He pulls the gun out.

01:31:51.000 Wow, this is crazy.

01:31:53.000 He's in custody.

01:31:54.000 One person died on the scene and one person died later, I believe, at the hospital or on the way to the hospital.

01:32:00.000 Look, man, non-violent civil disobedience is a good way to create pressure, but the cops got to arrest the people who do it.

01:32:07.000 Yeah, you can't just allow them.

01:32:08.000 Yeah, the video's all cut because they have footage of him doing it.

01:32:11.000 Yeah, someone tweeted that there is video of him actually doing the shooting out there.

01:32:15.000 That's terrible.

01:32:16.000 Nah.

01:32:17.000 You know, these people are irritating, but you can't kill them.

01:32:21.000 I mean, that's crazy.

01:32:23.000 Actually, I respect non-violence of disobedience.

01:32:26.000 If they want to go sit in front of a road, that's the kind of pressure we should expect.

01:32:30.000 Otherwise... I'd rather that than Antifa.

01:32:32.000 Exactly, that's my point.

01:32:33.000 The police should come and arrest them and remove them and restore the flow of traffic and everything.

01:32:37.000 But people need an opportunity to put pressure on the system without resorting to violence.

01:32:40.000 What about without being in Antifa?

01:32:42.000 No, because that... No, I agree with that too.

01:32:44.000 I do.

01:32:44.000 Absolutely.

01:32:45.000 But that's just the situation where you're gonna end up with confrontations and violence anyway, so... I would say it should be limited, because there are limited scenarios where I think that could make sense, doing citizen's arrests, where, you know, somebody's like... I'll put it this way, if I had a family member whose life was in danger, and they needed to get to the hospital, and there's climate pro... I'll citizen's arrest them, I'll do whatever's necessary to get my family member to the hospital.

01:33:05.000 Yo, there's straight video of it.

01:33:07.000 Dude, what, in Panama?

01:33:08.000 It happened in Panama?

01:33:09.000 And the dude is just standing there.

01:33:09.000 Yeah.

01:33:11.000 He's not attacking him or anything.

01:33:12.000 The guy just shoots him.

01:33:13.000 That's terrible.

01:33:14.000 Yeah, there's no excuse for, like, I do think you're absolutely right, Tim.

01:33:14.000 Yeah.

01:33:19.000 This is probably the form of protest we should have to, you know, say, we're okay with this because the alternative is this really crazy stuff.

01:33:28.000 You've got to have some outlet for this.

01:33:29.000 You get arrested for it.

01:33:30.000 Yeah.

01:33:30.000 You see the video of the shoplifter getting tackled?

01:33:32.000 And then he's like, you can't touch me!

01:33:34.000 And the guy's like, you're being touched.

01:33:36.000 Yeah, what state was that in?

01:33:38.000 I don't know, man.

01:33:39.000 If it was California, he's right, you can't touch them.

01:33:42.000 No, it's not the law that matters.

01:33:42.000 That was awesome.

01:33:47.000 There's a lot of laws in the books that we don't enforce.

01:33:50.000 Oh, like women can't go skydiving on Sundays in Florida is the gag one.

01:33:50.000 Yeah.

01:33:54.000 But if someone's shoplifting like hundreds of dollars of merch and someone who works there stops them and go, you can't touch me.

01:33:59.000 It's like talk to a judge.

01:34:00.000 Yeah.

01:34:01.000 Sue me and then see what the judge says.

01:34:01.000 Get it.

01:34:04.000 But it really is.

01:34:04.000 It's going to be.

01:34:06.000 I think I don't think it's it's not illegal to stop someone stealing.

01:34:09.000 It's a civil issue.

01:34:11.000 Yeah.

01:34:13.000 The craziest thing I remember from California is they had that case where the guy shot the robber, came into his house, and they actually ruled in favor of the robber when they sued the homeowner.

01:34:24.000 Oh wow.

01:34:25.000 Crazy.

01:34:26.000 And they made him pay the robber.

01:34:29.000 Yes.

01:34:30.000 Welcome back to tonight's NBC News Republican Presidential Debate.

01:34:34.000 Once again, here's Salem Radio's Hugh Hewitt.

01:34:37.000 Hugh Hewitt.

01:34:38.000 When NBC News talks to voters, when I talk to voters every day, they all say that the border is a top issue.

01:34:44.000 It can mean a lot of different things.

01:34:46.000 It can mean two million people who crossed illegally last year.

01:34:49.000 It can mean more than 150 arrests of people on the terror watch list.

01:34:53.000 It can mean the burden on states from having migrants move into their states from the southwestern border.

01:34:59.000 But I want to talk about opioids specifically and fentanyl.

01:35:01.000 And I'll start with you, Senator Scott.

01:35:03.000 Tens of thousands of Americans' families have suffered a death to fentanyl.

01:35:07.000 Young people sometimes die taking one pill.

01:35:11.000 What can you do as Commander-in-Chief on the first day to stop fentanyl and the waterfall of it into this country?

01:35:17.000 Number one, we should close our southern border.

01:35:19.000 For $10 billion, we could close our southern border.

01:35:22.000 For an additional $5 billion, we could use the currently available military technology to surveil our southern border, to stop fentanyl from crossing our border.

01:35:33.000 I've already led on legislation that would sanction the Mexican cartels, if you remember the path, The precursors come from China, then they are manufactured in Mexican labs, and then the Mexican cartels bring them across our border.

01:35:49.000 By sanctioning their accounts and eliminating their cash, we starve them of what they need, number one.

01:35:54.000 Closing our southern border makes it nearly impossible to get in.

01:35:58.000 The military-grade technology is a backup, making sure that we not only stop 70,000 deaths in the last 12 months because of fentanyl, I think he forgot how many it was.

01:36:12.000 I forgot how many it was.

01:36:13.000 ... human trafficking travesty that is entering in our country in the same path.

01:36:19.000 If we are going to deal effectively with 100,000 overdose deaths in our country...

01:36:25.000 That's why I'm here.

01:36:26.000 ... and the 70,000 that is directly linked to fentanyl, we have to deal with our ports

01:36:31.000 of entry and deal with our southern border.

01:36:35.000 We get it.

01:36:36.000 If we do that effectively, we have started reducing the challenge from the outside, and

01:36:41.000 then we have to deal with the challenge on the inside, which seems to be connected to

01:36:45.000 a mental health crisis that is spreading throughout our nation.

01:36:50.000 If you solve the problem, you'll have to still solve the problem somewhere else.

01:36:54.000 Exactly.

01:36:55.000 If you vote for me, I'll solve the problem.

01:36:57.000 I mean it gets frustrating being right so far ahead of the government and these people and then they say things like it's like some shocking idea.

01:37:07.000 We've all been waiting.

01:37:08.000 The American people have been waiting for a very long time.

01:37:11.000 Nobody's doing anything about it.

01:37:12.000 So I don't believe them.

01:37:13.000 It's to not become sarcastic.

01:37:15.000 When you're right all the time, don't allow yourself to start to become sarcastic because anything that works against it.

01:37:22.000 Be humble.

01:37:22.000 When that actually changes, don't try and claim that you were the one.

01:37:26.000 Customs and Border Patrol agents are overwhelmed.

01:37:27.000 border that would send the National Guard to partner with Customs and Border Patrol

01:37:31.000 both at ports of entry and at the open ports of our border.

01:37:34.000 Customs and Border Patrol agents are overwhelmed.

01:37:37.000 There's 200,000 encounters a month over the last 11 months.

01:37:43.000 We simply do not have the man and woman power at the border to be able to deal with it.

01:37:48.000 And so, dealing with both law enforcement, and you're right, we have done this, we can do this, but we've got to give them the tools to do it, and technology is one of the biggest tools that we don't have enough of at the ports of entry.

01:37:59.000 Now, we also need to lower demand, Hugh, in this country.

01:38:03.000 And the way to lower demand is to start treating people again.

01:38:07.000 You know, we started to do this before COVID, and we haven't done enough of it.

01:38:11.000 And for every family out there tonight who has lost a loved one, Thank you Governor.

01:38:17.000 or any other type of opioid overdose, what you know is all you want is a chance for them

01:38:22.000 to win their lives back.

01:38:24.000 When I'm president of the United States, we're going to call this what it is.

01:38:26.000 It is a disease, like heart disease, diabetes, or any other disease like cancer, that can

01:38:32.000 be treated, should be treated.

01:38:34.000 We not only have to stop supply, but we have to lower demand and save lives.

01:38:38.000 Thank you, Governor.

01:38:39.000 Governor DeSantis, you have talked about using United States Special Forces to attack the

01:38:45.000 cartels where they manufacture the chemicals that come from China.

01:38:48.000 How often?

01:38:49.000 How many?

01:38:51.000 What does that look like?

01:38:53.000 Well, first I was speaking to a dad who lost a son to a fentanyl overdose.

01:38:58.000 Son wasn't a drug addict.

01:38:59.000 He had taken some pill that happened to be laced with fentanyl and it was a fatal overdose.

01:39:04.000 And when he told me, obviously the pain of losing a child is as bad as it gets, but he said what was salt in the wounds Is that these elites in D.C.

01:39:13.000 don't give a damn about what's going on in this country.

01:39:16.000 They don't care that we have tens of thousands of opioid deaths that the fentanyl is pouring in.

01:39:21.000 They are not taking the type of action we need to.

01:39:24.000 We're declaring it a national emergency on day one.

01:39:26.000 I'm sending U.S.

01:39:27.000 military to the border.

01:39:28.000 I'm going to stop the invasion cold.

01:39:31.000 I am going to deport people who came illegally.

01:39:33.000 And I'm even going to build the border wall and have Mexico pay for it like Donald Trump promised.

01:39:37.000 How you gonna do it?

01:39:38.000 Yeah, Mexico's not gonna fork over money.

01:39:40.000 We're gonna impose fees on the remittances that foreign workers send to foreign countries.

01:39:44.000 We'll raise billions of dollars.

01:39:46.000 But we are gonna designate the cartels to be foreign terrorist organizations or something similar to that.

01:39:46.000 I'll build a wall.

01:39:52.000 And we're gonna authorize the use of deadly force.

01:39:54.000 We're gonna have maritime operations to interdict precursor chemicals going into Mexico.

01:39:59.000 But I'll tell you this, if someone in the drug cartels is sneaking fentanyl across the border when I'm president, that's gonna be the last thing they do.

01:40:06.000 We're gonna shoot them stone-cold dead.

01:40:08.000 I just realized we can build a wall out of graphene.

01:40:14.000 Ambassador Haley, if the United States uses special forces in Mexico without prior notice to the Mexican allies to our south, what would your colleagues at the United Nations think about that?

01:40:25.000 I don't care what my colleagues at the United Nations think.

01:40:28.000 What I'll tell you is... The United Nations is useless.

01:40:32.000 You have to go to the source.

01:40:35.000 We have lost more Americans than the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq wars combined.

01:40:41.000 We lost 75,000 Americans last year.

01:40:44.000 Go to the source.

01:40:45.000 It is the reason why we'll continue to say we will end all normal trade relations with China until they stop murdering Americans.

01:40:53.000 You watch how quick that flow stops.

01:40:55.000 The second thing is we'll send special operations in to take out the cartels.

01:40:59.000 We need to go to where they're distributing it, where the supply centers are, and take them out.

01:41:04.000 We'll put 25,000 more Border Patrol and ICE agents on the ground and let them do their job.

01:41:10.000 We will defund sanctuary cities.

01:41:10.000 I don't believe you.

01:41:12.000 We will go back to the Remain in Mexico policy so that everybody stays in Mexico and they never get here in the first place.

01:41:19.000 And instead of catch and deport, we'll go to catch and release.

01:41:21.000 Okay, I'll vote for Trump for all that.

01:41:22.000 Instead of catch-and-release, we'll go to catch-and-deport.

01:41:24.000 Yeah, why would you vote for Haley if you want that?

01:41:25.000 That is the way we'll deal with the border.

01:41:27.000 Those are the things that we have to do going forward, but I do agree with Chris.

01:41:30.000 One of the first things that we have to do is really focus on mental health and addiction centers.

01:41:36.000 It is something that is needed in our country terribly because we don't deal with mental health, and someone who doesn't get care for mental health falls into addiction, and we owe it to them to treat it like the cancer that it is.

01:41:49.000 We're talking about this issue is, you know, like Ron, I've actually met many parents across this country who have lost their kids to laced pharmaceuticals that have fentanyl in them.

01:42:04.000 The only thing I would ask, Ron, I think you'd be on the same page with me on this.

01:42:07.000 Let's not even call that an overdose.

01:42:10.000 That is not an overdose.

01:42:12.000 That is poisoning.

01:42:13.000 If you put that fentanyl in a Big Mac, we would not call that an overdose.

01:42:18.000 You'd call it what it is.

01:42:19.000 It's closer to bioterrorism.

01:42:22.000 And I say that because as it uniquely relates to this crisis, that does warrant more aggressive means to deal with it.

01:42:29.000 So there's a new presidential election in Mexico in 2024.

01:42:32.000 People may not be aware of that.

01:42:34.000 It's going to be someone other than Obrador, who has been a disaster in Mexico.

01:42:37.000 I think he's even mentioned me obliquely in speeches to say that somebody who would do this shouldn't get anywhere near the White House.

01:42:42.000 Well, AMLO, get out of the way.

01:42:44.000 There's going to be someone else in charge.

01:42:46.000 I hope to build a good relationship with that next president of Mexico.

01:42:50.000 We'll use our own military to seal our own southern border.

01:42:53.000 What we need to do is stop using our military to protect somebody else's border halfway around the world when we're short right here at home.

01:43:00.000 Get serious about protecting this border.

01:43:01.000 And then the other thing that hasn't been discussed is the northern border.

01:43:04.000 I'm the only Canadian, as far as I'm aware, who has actually visited the northern border.

01:43:09.000 There was enough fentanyl that was captured just on the northern border last year to kill 3 million Americans.

01:43:15.000 We've got to just skate to where the puck is going, not just where the puck is.

01:43:19.000 Don't just build the wall, build both walls.

01:43:22.000 Can't just complete the wall, use the military to seal the Swiss cheese for the tunnels that they're actually building underneath that wall.

01:43:28.000 Thank you, Mr. Ramos.

01:43:30.000 We need a wall for the maple curtain up there.

01:43:36.000 Let's talk now about last night's election results.

01:43:39.000 Abortion rights supporters saw victories in Ohio and Virginia following earlier reigns in states like Kansas and Kentucky.

01:43:47.000 Governor DeSantis, first to you, how do you see the path forward for Republicans on this issue?

01:43:52.000 Well, I stand for a culture of life, and I understand that it's important that everyone gets a shot.

01:43:58.000 I'm reminded of a story about a young mother who was struggling in Jamaica about 40 years ago, 45 years ago.

01:44:05.000 She was counseled to not have a baby because she was poor, baby wouldn't have opportunity, and she came close to having an abortion.

01:44:12.000 But she decided to have the baby, born poor in Jamaica.

01:44:16.000 And the reason I know that story is because that baby girl ended up emigrating to the state of Florida.

01:44:21.000 We're better off when everybody counts.

01:44:30.000 We're better off when we can promote a culture of life.

01:44:33.000 At the same time, I understand that some of these states are doing it a little bit different.

01:44:37.000 Texas is not going to do it the same as New Hampshire.

01:44:39.000 Iowa is not necessarily going to do it the same as Virginia.

01:44:43.000 So you've got to work from the bottom up.

01:44:45.000 You gotta do a better job on these referenda.

01:44:47.000 I think of all the stuff that's happened to the pro-life cause, they have been caught flat-footed on these referenda, and they have been losing the referenda.

01:44:55.000 A lot of the people who are voting for the referenda are Republicans who would vote for a Republican candidate.

01:45:01.000 So you gotta understand how to do that.

01:45:02.000 But let's just be clear.

01:45:04.000 The Democrats have taken a position they will not identify the point at which there should be any protection all the way up until birth.

01:45:11.000 That is wrong, and we cannot stand for that.

01:45:14.000 All right, Governor DeSantis, thank you.

01:45:15.000 Ambassador Haley, let me have you weigh in.

01:45:17.000 Former President Trump has consistently blamed the abortion issue and how Republican candidates have talked about it for their electoral losses.

01:45:25.000 How do you see the path forward?

01:45:26.000 I've said it before.

01:45:27.000 I think you have to be honest with the American people.

01:45:30.000 This is a personal issue for every woman and every man.

01:45:33.000 I am unapologetically pro-life, not because the Republican Party tells me to be, but because my husband Michael was adopted and I had trouble having both of my children, so I'm surrounded by blessings.

01:45:44.000 Having said that, when you look post-Roe, a wrong was made right.

01:45:48.000 They took it out of the hands of unelected justices, and they put it in the hands of the people.

01:45:52.000 And now we're seeing states vote.

01:45:54.000 And what I'll tell you is, as much as I'm pro-life, I don't judge anyone for being pro-choice, and I don't want them to judge me for being pro-life.

01:46:02.000 So when we're looking at this, there are some states that are going more on the pro-life side.

01:46:06.000 I welcome that.

01:46:07.000 There are some states that are going more on the pro-choice side.

01:46:09.000 I wish that wasn't the case, but the people decided.

01:46:12.000 But when it comes to the federal law, which is what's being debated here, be honest.

01:46:17.000 It's going to take 60 Senate votes, a majority of the House, and a president to sign it.

01:46:22.000 So no, we haven't had 60 Senate votes in over 100 years.

01:46:26.000 We might have 45 pro-life senators.

01:46:28.000 So no Republican president can ban abortions any more than a Democrat president can ban these state laws.

01:46:34.000 So let's find consensus.

01:46:37.000 Let's agree on how we can ban late-term abortions.

01:46:40.000 Let's make sure we encourage adoptions and good quality adoptions.

01:46:43.000 Let's make sure we make contraception accessible.

01:46:47.000 Let's make sure that none of these state laws put a woman in jail or give her the death penalty for getting an abortion.

01:46:52.000 Let's focus on how to save as many babies as we can and support as many moms as we can and stop the judgment.

01:46:58.000 We don't need to divide America over this issue anymore.

01:47:01.000 There's a lot of weakness there.

01:47:03.000 There's a lot of weakness in some of the things she said that is just skating out of it.

01:47:07.000 However, I do think that she is being honest about the fact that federally nothing's going to happen.

01:47:12.000 You don't have the votes.

01:47:13.000 No Republican president is going to have the votes to do anything federally.

01:47:16.000 So it's a moot question.

01:47:17.000 It belongs in the states.

01:47:18.000 I disagree.

01:47:19.000 It's a federal question.

01:47:21.000 Why do you think it is?

01:47:23.000 Human rights are a federal constitutional question, not a state question.

01:47:27.000 A state does not have the right to determine that a person, for a certain reason, is not granted human rights.

01:47:33.000 I would agree with that.

01:47:34.000 However, if you can't do anything, and the status quo is what it is, what do you do?

01:47:39.000 Well, that's actually the Roe standard, was that it was a question of the federal government to determine whether or not a baby was alive.

01:47:48.000 And they came to the determination that, post-viability, there's really no question, but it's much more complicated than I'd be able to answer to right now.

01:47:55.000 My point is simply, If we allow the federal—if we allow the states to determine who is deserving of human rights, then buckle up, California.

01:48:04.000 Oh yeah, no, I know.

01:48:05.000 I mean, that's sort of the really amazing thing about federalism, is that people will get to see, naturally, what the end result of the Democrats' ideology is in a place like California.

01:48:15.000 Because if you just say, hey, we're going to take a more federalist approach, we're going to say states' rights is just the end-all be-all, California will turn into hell.

01:48:24.000 And maybe that's what their voters need to see.

01:48:26.000 Like a video of a nine-month-old baby being aborted.

01:48:30.000 When you're saying that in California they're allowed to get abortions whenever they want, that's a national pro-choice position in my opinion.

01:48:36.000 I don't want them to.

01:48:37.000 I'm just saying in reality, the federal government's never going to do anything about it.

01:48:41.000 You either say local jurisdictions can decide whether or not they allow abortions or not, or you say abortions are banned.

01:48:47.000 That's my point. So when a lot of people on the right are like, yes, it's a state question,

01:48:51.000 it's like, that's kind of pro-choice of you to say, well, if you vote for it, you can do it.

01:48:55.000 I think it's just realistic because we know we don't have the votes. We know we don't have 60

01:48:59.000 senators who are going to get on board. It's not just about the votes. It's the fact that,

01:49:03.000 honestly, like, it's not the...

01:49:05.000 The idea of a banning abortion totally is not popular enough, and it's a loser.

01:49:10.000 And as long as Republicans are out there saying that they want to ban abortion on any level, even for local stuff, that's going to translate not to just the specific areas, but that's what people are going to think broadly about the Republican Party.

01:49:25.000 If we elect Republicans, there will be abortion bans, and they're going to continue to lose.

01:49:30.000 The answer is for Republicans to say, we think the government should help facilitate abortions for anyone who wants it, and then look dead at the liberals and say, do you need help?

01:49:39.000 Yeah, we got the president speaking.

01:49:41.000 Honest about where he stood, and I think you should be honest, not making a political calculus, but to say, if a bill is served up, would you sign it?

01:49:49.000 Here's my view on this, speaking as a man, they say men have trouble speaking on this issue, I don't think we need to be that way.

01:49:55.000 It was my home state of Ohio, I'm upset about this, yesterday.

01:49:59.000 That passed a constitutional amendment that now effectively codifies a right to abortion all the way up to the time of birth without parental consent.

01:50:07.000 That's so crazy!

01:50:09.000 It's insane.

01:50:10.000 It's insane.

01:50:11.000 And it's a response though.

01:50:13.000 It's totally a response.

01:50:14.000 I know Ohio.

01:50:15.000 I was born, raised, and I lived there.

01:50:16.000 It's representative of the country.

01:50:18.000 If in the state of Ohio we talked about access to contraception, adoption, and also here's the missing ingredient in this movement.

01:50:25.000 Sexual responsibility for men.

01:50:28.000 We live in an era of reliable genetic paternity tests that are 100% reliable.

01:50:35.000 So we can say men deserve more responsibility.

01:50:38.000 So we can tell women, we're all in this together.

01:50:41.000 It's not men's rights versus women's rights.

01:50:43.000 It's about human rights.

01:50:45.000 And I've come back to that case that Clarence Thomas spoke of.

01:50:48.000 A pregnant woman walking down the street.

01:50:50.000 She's assaulted.

01:50:51.000 The unborn child dies in that assault.

01:50:54.000 You find me one person in this country who says that that criminal does not deserve liability for that death, you won't find one.

01:51:04.000 That says we share the same instincts on this issue, but we require, I believe, a different generation of leadership to actually lead us forward and unite the country on this with honesty.

01:51:04.000 Yep.

01:51:14.000 Thank you, Mr. Ramaswamy.

01:51:14.000 That was a great answer.

01:51:15.000 And I would say, you know, in places like Tennessee, you know, as much as I've heard people saying abortion is unpopular in a place like Tennessee, You know, being pro-life is very popular.

01:51:27.000 It is broadly popular to protect babies' lives, you know, and it should be everywhere.

01:51:31.000 The problem is the Republican Party is not taking a real stance.

01:51:36.000 It's all over the place.

01:51:37.000 I kind of want to prove sentience of the fetus.

01:51:40.000 If you could somehow use a neural net or something to see the intelligence I said we should show high school students what an actual abortion looks like during sex ed.

01:51:52.000 If they could watch the procedure where a baby is ripped limb from limb and then sucked out, they would have a big issue with it.

01:51:59.000 You've seen these videos where you can watch them on YouTube where somebody has shown this who says they're 100% pro-choice, they have no problem with abortion, they watch the video, They go pale as it goes, and they change their view on the spot from watching what is actually done to a baby.

01:52:17.000 In my home state of New Jersey, it goes up to nine months that you get an abortion.

01:52:21.000 I find that morally reprehensible, but that is what the people of our state have voted for, and we should not short-circuit that process until every state's people have the right to weigh in on it.

01:52:32.000 But here's the bigger issue, Kirsten.

01:52:35.000 The bigger issue is, and Tim began to touch on this, We're not pro-life for the whole life.

01:52:41.000 To be pro-life for the whole life means that the life of a 16-year-old drug addict on the floor of the county lockup is precious and we should get treatment for her to restore her life.

01:52:50.000 The 52-year-old who's drug addicted should make sure that any of his children who he's passed that addiction on to are treated well too.

01:52:57.000 Pro-life's not just in the womb, Kirsten.

01:52:59.000 It's for the whole life.

01:53:00.000 What he's doing right now is actually giving credence to Democrats, what they've said for many years.

01:53:05.000 I mean, this is the definition of cowardice on display.

01:53:09.000 When you go and you feed into what the Democrats have lied and said about every one of your voters, you don't deserve one person's vote because these people have admonished good people who just want to protect life by pretending that they don't care about those babies after they're born.

01:53:26.000 Every pro-life person I know cares about that baby after it's born and would be the first person if they were asked to help that child.

01:53:34.000 But the good news is it was Chris Christie and he's a failure anyway.

01:53:38.000 That's true.

01:53:38.000 So he's not going to win anything.

01:53:39.000 I was angry and then you reminded me of that.

01:53:39.000 That's true.

01:53:41.000 I feel better now.

01:53:42.000 Thank you for bringing me back to my kids.

01:53:43.000 I feel like the only logical end result is a nationwide abortion ban.

01:53:49.000 Full ban.

01:53:50.000 And that's not me saying what I want to happen.

01:53:52.000 I don't see a logical pathway towards anything other than that under the argument that either this country goes the direction of the removal of human rights based on numerous factors.

01:53:52.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:54:06.000 So this would be like the reverting of the 14th Amendment or it's extended to all life.

01:54:13.000 So this is one of the big questions of the Civil War.

01:54:17.000 Well, you know, who's deserving of human rights?

01:54:19.000 And they said, okay, some states will ban it and some won't because we're a nation of a bunch of states and everyone can choose their own thing.

01:54:25.000 Then everyone started shooting each other.

01:54:27.000 Blading Kansas was directly a conflict over slavery, whether or not the state would be a slave state or a free state.

01:54:34.000 And then ultimately it's like, okay, the federal government needs to answer this question.

01:54:37.000 The 14th Amendment comes into play and says, all humans, they get human rights.

01:54:42.000 Among other things.

01:54:43.000 Now, they're actually arguing a human being in the womb Does not have human rights, and Roe v. Wade was a federal answer to the question, but it needs to be codified by Congress, probably not the Supreme Court.

01:54:55.000 So it's probably the right move for the Supreme Court to say, this is not for us to decide, but it's for the federal government, for Congress to say, we make this determination, unless we do a constitutional amendment.

01:55:05.000 So, I believe the federal government needs to have a position on whether or not an unborn baby gets constitutional rights, even the right to bear arms, even as ludicrous as it sounds, all human rights.

01:55:17.000 Protected for the unborn.

01:55:20.000 I believe that the only logical question is going to be that, yeah.

01:55:24.000 I would say a convention of states and changing the actual Constitution to add a new amendment is more likely than our Congress doing something federally.

01:55:32.000 I just don't think they'll ever agree on it.

01:55:34.000 They'll ever have the numbers and that's the problem.

01:55:37.000 The 14th Amendment says all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction they're in.

01:55:43.000 Read the whole thing.

01:55:44.000 Okay, and now... Yeah, but you're talking about persons born or naturalized in the United States.

01:55:47.000 Read it again.

01:55:47.000 I just read it.

01:55:47.000 or immunities of citizens of the United States, nor shall any state deprive any person of

01:55:50.000 life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person of life any

01:55:55.000 jurisdiction.

01:55:56.000 Okay, and now...

01:55:57.000 Yeah, but you're talking about persons born or naturalized in the United States.

01:55:59.000 Read it again.

01:56:00.000 I just read it.

01:56:01.000 Read it again.

01:56:02.000 Right.

01:56:02.000 We've gone over this like 27 times.

01:56:03.000 All persons born or naturalized in the United States are subject to the jurisdiction thereof of our citizens of the United States and of the state where they reside.

01:56:08.000 we've got over like twenty seven times persons born at all persons born at

01:56:11.000 was the united states are subject to the jurisdiction thereof our citizens

01:56:14.000 united states and of the state where they reside period next class no state shall make or enforce any law that

01:56:21.000 shall abridge the privileges or means of says that states nor shall any state

01:56:25.000 to provide any person of life

01:56:27.000 These are separate clauses.

01:56:28.000 Yes, separate clauses, totally different statements.

01:56:31.000 So it's no longer about if you're born or not, it's just saying a state has no right to do that.

01:56:35.000 Let me clarify, non-citizens in this country are guaranteed due process.

01:56:39.000 So when it says all persons born or naturalized are citizens, that has nothing to do with whether or not you are granted due process.

01:56:46.000 Non-citizens, tourists to this country, have free speech and they're granted due process rights when it comes to violations of the law.

01:56:53.000 That would mean, yes, unborn babies would not be citizens, but if they are persons, they cannot be deprived of their life, liberty, or property without due process.

01:57:04.000 Are they persons?

01:57:05.000 Absolutely.

01:57:06.000 Is that just an assumption or is that a legal definition?

01:57:10.000 I'm saying the Supreme Court will have to answer that question.

01:57:12.000 It is not a state question to answer.

01:57:15.000 The states don't have a right to say that certain people are or are not persons.

01:57:20.000 The federal government must do it and must answer its own amendment.

01:57:22.000 Let's go.

01:57:23.000 Here we go.

01:57:23.000 If you didn't have time to address and why you and not former President Trump would be the party's best choice to tackle these important issues.

01:57:31.000 You each have a minute.

01:57:32.000 Senator Scott, we'll start with you.

01:57:33.000 One minute.

01:57:34.000 There's a crisis that is growing in our nation and that crisis is cultural and spiritual.

01:57:41.000 We need a renewal, a great awakening.

01:57:44.000 We should reject the less valueless, faithless, fatherless society.

01:57:51.000 We should turn back to faith, Patriotism and individual responsibility.

01:57:58.000 We should stop choosing victimhood and start choosing victory.

01:58:02.000 We should stop kneeling in protest and start kneeling in prayer.

01:58:07.000 There are basic truths that built this country.

01:58:10.000 If you're able-bodied in America, you work.

01:58:13.000 If you take out a loan, you pay it back.

01:58:16.000 If you commit a violent crime, you go to jail.

01:58:20.000 And if God made you a man, you play sports against men.

01:58:24.000 I do not just want to... Audience, please.

01:58:27.000 I do not just... I do not just want to win the battle against Joe Biden... He was so excited to get that applause.

01:58:34.000 I do not want us together to win the war... He waited all night for that.

01:58:37.000 I actually, I'm happy for him.

01:58:40.000 Senator Scott, thank you.

01:58:41.000 Governor Christie, you have won.

01:58:42.000 That's why I'm asking you for your vote.

01:58:51.000 Listen, it's a gift.

01:58:53.000 A gift to be an American.

01:58:55.000 And I'm running for President of the United States because I'm tired.

01:58:59.000 I'm tired of seeing the division.

01:59:01.000 I'm tired of seeing the anger.

01:59:02.000 And I can see it in the eyes of America through exhaustion.

01:59:06.000 The real of all of us talking about him would be really fun.

01:59:10.000 I'm fatigued.

01:59:11.000 You're tired because you've been carrying a lot of weight around, buddy.

01:59:16.000 to do the big things, to make sure that America's role in the world stays number one.

01:59:22.000 That we stand up for our friends and allies around the world, and we stand up for what

01:59:27.000 we believe in right here at home.

01:59:29.000 And it's not to eliminate our differences.

01:59:32.000 Our differences has always been our strength as a country, not our weakness.

01:59:37.000 But you can't truly say you love America, unless you're ready to open up your heart to every American.

01:59:42.000 I'm going to open up my heart to every American as president, and I will make sure that I return honesty, integrity to the Oval Office.

01:59:50.000 We deserve and should accept nothing less.

01:59:53.000 Governor, thank you very much.

01:59:54.000 Let's go to Mr. Rana Swamy now.

01:59:55.000 You have one minute.

02:00:00.000 We've talked a lot about foreign wars tonight, but we're in the middle of a war right here at home.

02:00:04.000 It's a war not between black and white or Democrat and Republican.

02:00:07.000 It's between those of us who believe in our founding ideals and love this country, and a fringe minority who hates the United States of America.

02:00:15.000 And I think it's going to take a commander-in-chief to lead us to victory in that war, who first of all knows that we're in a war.

02:00:21.000 Second of all, can't be captured by the special interests along the way.

02:00:25.000 But third is from the next generation, somebody with fresh legs to lead us to victory.

02:00:30.000 I'll shut down the deep state, I'll declare economic independence from China, I'll keep us out of World War III, and then revive national pride in this country.

02:00:39.000 I also want to close with one message to the Democrat Party.

02:00:42.000 End this farce that Joe Biden is going to be your nominee.

02:00:48.000 He's a puppet for the managerial class.

02:00:50.000 So have the guts to step up and be honest about who you're actually going to put up.

02:00:54.000 So we can have an estimate.

02:00:55.000 Biden should step aside, end his candidacy now.

02:00:58.000 So we can see whether it's Newsom or Michelle Obama or whoever else.

02:01:02.000 It's Newsom, but yes, I agree.

02:01:05.000 Very good.

02:01:08.000 He took out a lot of them tonight.

02:01:13.000 I don't know how it's going to pan out.

02:01:15.000 The world is on fire.

02:01:17.000 We have a war in Europe.

02:01:19.000 We've got a war in the Middle East.

02:01:20.000 We've got China on the march.

02:01:23.000 It is very important that we know how to defend our freedoms and how to defeat terrorism and socialism.

02:01:30.000 We have to know the difference between good and evil.

02:01:33.000 We have to know the difference between right and wrong.

02:01:36.000 We need to know that a strong America doesn't start wars.

02:01:39.000 A strong America prevents wars.

02:01:41.000 And the way we can focus on that is to make sure we go back to the soul of America and be strong and proud again.

02:01:49.000 And we can't do that.

02:01:51.000 We can't win the fights of the 21st century with politicians from the 20th century.

02:01:57.000 We have to move forward.

02:01:59.000 And we can do this.

02:02:00.000 I know we can do this.

02:02:02.000 So join our movement.

02:02:03.000 Go to NikkiHaley.com.

02:02:05.000 And we will once again show what America that's strong and proud looks like.

02:02:09.000 God bless.

02:02:10.000 Ambassador, thank you.

02:02:11.000 No, thank you.

02:02:13.000 Yikes.

02:02:14.000 I'll pass on that one.

02:02:16.000 She follows me on Twitter.

02:02:18.000 Maybe not after tonight.

02:02:19.000 She makes a cool interview.

02:02:20.000 I'd like to interview all these guys.

02:02:21.000 That is going to require leadership.

02:02:24.000 I will take the hits.

02:02:25.000 I will take the arrows.

02:02:27.000 I will take the barbs.

02:02:28.000 Because it's not about me, it's about you.

02:02:30.000 It's not about the past, it's about your future.

02:02:34.000 We are going to fight for you.

02:02:35.000 I am going to win for you and your family, and I am going to lead this country's revival.

02:02:41.000 As a veteran of the Iraq War and in the Navy, I will always put service above self as president.

02:02:48.000 As the father of three young kids, I'm going to ensure that this country is left to the next generation in better shape than we found it.

02:02:55.000 And as the governor of Florida, I delivered on all my promises, and you can trust me to deliver for you as the president of the United States.

02:03:03.000 I am asking for your vote.

02:03:05.000 I'll be a nominee that will be able to win the election.

02:03:08.000 I will be a leader you can be proud of, and as your president, I will not let you down.

02:03:13.000 God bless you.

02:03:14.000 Governor DeSantis, thank you.

02:03:15.000 Is that it?

02:03:16.000 Mr. Bolt's going to take us out.

02:03:17.000 That is going to conclude our- Alright, 95% say Vivek won.

02:03:31.000 Ron's got 3%.

02:03:32.000 Nikki has got one and Chris has got one.

02:03:35.000 I didn't exclude Tim Scott from the poll to make like a dig at Tim Scott.

02:03:38.000 It's just YouTube only allows four categories.

02:03:41.000 It was pretty clear.

02:03:42.000 We'll just say he had 1% too.

02:03:43.000 If Chris Christie got 1%, then he probably got 1%.

02:03:47.000 Right.

02:03:47.000 Look, let me say, I like Tim Scott way more than Chris Christie, way more than Nikki Haley, but he should not be on a presidential debate stage.

02:03:54.000 It was like he was thinking about what to say next.

02:03:56.000 Like his words were being, like, did you notice that?

02:04:01.000 Yeah, no, definitely.

02:04:02.000 And I think he forgot some stuff.

02:04:04.000 You know, it was just, I don't think he was fully prepared for some of those questions.

02:04:08.000 Isn't the appeal to emotion to, like, he's taking his time with every word that he says.

02:04:15.000 So it means something.

02:04:16.000 I think it's the wrong time in history for that, too, because people have less and less attention span.

02:04:20.000 Like, even myself, I know when I'm watching videos or podcasts or whatever, I turn it on to where it's one and a half times as fast.

02:04:27.000 I'm listening way faster than I ever have in my life.

02:04:30.000 A lot of people are in the same boat.

02:04:32.000 So when you hear somebody talking really slowly like this, it starts to feel like they don't know what they want to say.

02:04:38.000 Oh, I've noticed that on this show as a co-host, because Tim will talk really fast, and then if I come in like this, everyone's like, shut up!

02:04:44.000 And it's like, no, talk faster, get it out of the way.

02:04:44.000 Shut up!

02:04:46.000 Everybody says that about you, Ian.

02:04:47.000 Like, I didn't want to tell you, but... It's my vibe, baby!

02:04:50.000 It's been a big conversation, you know, behind your back.

02:04:53.000 We're gonna read some Super Chats!

02:04:53.000 No, I'm just kidding.

02:04:55.000 So, uh, we're not gonna have the members on the Uncensored show tonight because it was a debate night, and, uh, you know, they go long.

02:04:55.000 Oh, yeah.

02:05:01.000 So, uh, we're just gonna read superchats, and YouTube's been doing this weird thing where it's not loading properly.

02:05:05.000 Yeah, I don't know what's going on.

02:05:06.000 So I did refresh, so we got, uh, the first few superchats here.

02:05:08.000 We started a little early.

02:05:09.000 Clint Torres says, howdy, people!

02:05:11.000 Hey, Clint!

02:05:11.000 Clint with the first superchat.

02:05:13.000 Look at me says, I'm the captain now.

02:05:15.000 Well, maybe, maybe number one.

02:05:16.000 Look at me.

02:05:18.000 All right.

02:05:19.000 And, uh, here we go.

02:05:21.000 Interesting.

02:05:21.000 Right on.

02:05:21.000 says anyone who raises a foreign nation's flag at a capital in front of the White House should be considered traitors.

02:05:26.000 Only the American flag should be, uh, should wave there, period.

02:05:29.000 Right on. We're gonna, uh, we're gonna refresh it and hopefully get all of the superchats to load now without, um,

02:05:36.000 because it cuts off the early ones when we reload it.

02:05:40.000 Yo, uh, Vivek's debate performance may be the best debate performance I have ever seen in my life.

02:05:46.000 He pulled a Bill Clinton.

02:05:47.000 Like, like Clinton in his first debate was lame and then came in and he must have had great review of his own performance and came in and just smashed it in 1992.

02:05:55.000 Now that's similar to what Vivek did.

02:05:58.000 I don't know that you'll ever beat that moment where Trump said, because you'd be in jail.

02:06:02.000 That was so good.

02:06:03.000 That's true, that's true.

02:06:04.000 I mean, that's a tough one to beat.

02:06:05.000 But I mean, like, holistically, like, from start to finish, let's just say that Vivek had the low blow haymakers to Donald Trump's massive jab right in the face.

02:06:15.000 Yeah, knockout.

02:06:15.000 Knockout, yeah.

02:06:16.000 The only way you could do totally better is if you pulled the same thing and you actually put her in jail.

02:06:23.000 You know, that would be an improvement.

02:06:26.000 However, hard to beat that moment.

02:06:29.000 I think it's, I mean, honestly, Jesse Kelly was talking or was tweeting today.

02:06:33.000 He said something about talking about Trump.

02:06:35.000 And it's his opinion that Trump's going to go to jail.

02:06:37.000 And I think that he's probably right.

02:06:40.000 I agree.

02:06:41.000 And I don't know if I don't know if there's normies that are going to vote for, you know, a president that's in jail.

02:06:49.000 I think there are.

02:06:50.000 I don't think there's enough to get him over.

02:06:54.000 If it's binary.

02:06:55.000 Well, I mean, it'll be Donald Trump versus whoever.

02:06:57.000 And I would personally prefer to see someone like Vivek in the spot.

02:07:04.000 Because he's not in jail then to see Donald Trump running from jail if Donald Trump doesn't go to jail Then I think that Donald Trump has a better shot.

02:07:13.000 I think if Donald Trump does go to jail, I think that just puts normies off because there's

02:07:17.000 so many normies.

02:07:18.000 They're just not smart enough.

02:07:20.000 Yeah, and this is...

02:07:21.000 He went to jail, I can't vote for him.

02:07:22.000 Yeah, this is not my preference.

02:07:24.000 I'm just saying that this is what seems most likely to me.

02:07:27.000 We have a correction too.

02:07:29.000 It was the stream that we had of Trump had 7,700.

02:07:31.000 Okay, cool.

02:07:33.000 So Dan Lamar says Trump had 130k and the debate had 70.

02:07:37.000 I wonder how that's but I think I think the issue is are we combining everything?

02:07:41.000 Are you talking about like Trump's core stream?

02:07:44.000 Because we had Trump Jr.' 's channel and it wasn't loading properly.

02:07:48.000 Yeah.

02:07:50.000 All right.

02:07:50.000 Superdank says DeSantis is the heel and Vivek is the baby face.

02:07:53.000 This is a WWE match.

02:07:55.000 Correct.

02:07:56.000 I mean, that's pretty much all of politics at this point.

02:07:59.000 Dave Rubin tweeted that Vivek is such an insufferable prick and he's getting ratioed really, really hard for it.

02:08:06.000 Look, man.

02:08:07.000 Dude, Rubin just got baited into giving Vivek a lot of publicity.

02:08:11.000 No, I think the people who hitched their wagon to Ron DeSantis are probably sweating bullets.

02:08:18.000 Well, you've got to be kind of upset with these performances and also, you know, I mean, Dave's a smart guy.

02:08:23.000 I think that he knows deep down the campaign has not been run the way that it should have been run if you really wanted to have a great shot here.

02:08:33.000 Vivek, on the other hand, has set himself up well, whether it's his team's doing or his own.

02:08:38.000 I don't know.

02:08:40.000 But somebody there has set himself up well in the event that something does happen with President Trump.

02:08:46.000 You know, because I think a lot of the people who support Trump are going to shift that direction should something like that happen, unless it's somebody who comes in late.

02:08:55.000 You know, I don't know if they'll be able to get on the ballot, though, in that case.

02:08:58.000 You know, so there's a lot up in the air, but I do know that the way they've run the campaign, they're not set up well to take in Trump voters in any event.

02:09:08.000 You know, it's just there's a lot of hard feelings and stuff, and I don't think it's going to turn out well.

02:09:12.000 And I think if you're somebody who hitched yourself really early on to Ron, You're probably upset by the way things have been run and it makes you a little more testy with situations like this.

02:09:22.000 I think that's another strong point with Vivek is Vivek has because he's not attacking Trump everyone kind of feels like he's the guy that's like he's he's maybe he's going for VP or whatever whatever you know your your prediction might want to be but because of his take on Trump and because he's been very you know passive towards Trump He leaves the door open for all the Trump voters that if they're not gonna vote for Trump and Trump's you know, I talked before about Trump's floor It's very very solid.

02:09:52.000 There are diehard bottom is solid.

02:09:54.000 It's bottom is solid.

02:09:55.000 Yes rocks But yes, but because of that If Trump isn't in the running, it's very easy for those people to slide over into Vivek's camp.

02:10:07.000 And because of the fact that what Vivek is talking about is very similar to Trump's policies.

02:10:12.000 There's not a lot of daylight between them.

02:10:16.000 And I think that Vivek is probably more informed on the policies than Trump is.

02:10:20.000 It's pretty much the same policies, but more eloquently stated.

02:10:25.000 It was a hard sell to sell Trump policies to, let's say, somebody who went to an Ivy League or somebody who was in a tech startup that is doing some innovative thing.

02:10:36.000 Vivek can communicate to those people the exact same policy that they just scoffed at and treated like it was crazy coming from Trump.

02:10:43.000 They hear it from him and they go, oh, that's really smart.

02:10:46.000 And it's it's not a byproduct of somehow the policy gets better.

02:10:50.000 It's just that the communication is clear to that person.

02:10:53.000 But meanwhile, Vivek, he's also still communicating to your typical Trump based voter like like me, you know, like I voted for Trump both times.

02:11:02.000 I fully understand in the same way and respect that I did with Trump.

02:11:06.000 And I think that's why he pulls in some interesting different people that were pushed away maybe by Trump in the beginning.

02:11:12.000 So it's interesting, but I mean Trump is obviously still the leader.

02:11:15.000 I don't think he's going to prison in a way that would prevent him from being able to become president.

02:11:21.000 Let me read this from Char Deets.

02:11:23.000 He says, I'm pro-life, but I also believe in choice for others.

02:11:25.000 God gives all mankind free will and I think we can have our own beliefs and values.

02:11:30.000 Uh, what does it say?

02:11:31.000 But bits up to- But it's- But it's- I see the B was an accidental typo, you meant the space bar.

02:11:37.000 To each individual.

02:11:38.000 Uh, I completely disagree.

02:11:40.000 You cannot have one state being like, it's not murder if you kill a person from this background.

02:11:47.000 It's not murder.

02:11:48.000 You can't have that.

02:11:49.000 You can't have one state be like, we think this is not a person.

02:11:52.000 It's like, are they a person or not?

02:11:53.000 Answer the question.

02:11:53.000 Yeah.

02:11:54.000 I'm looking at natural person.

02:11:55.000 It's the natural person.

02:11:56.000 Cause there are other persons that are corporations, but if it are babies at two months in the womb considered natural persons legally, that's really what it comes down to.

02:12:03.000 The federal government needs to have an answer for that.

02:12:05.000 And my attitude is, yeah, I'm not traditional pro-life.

02:12:09.000 I'm traditional pro-choice.

02:12:11.000 And while I think abortion is wrong, I think there's very difficult constitutional questions in how you balance the rights of two individuals sharing one body.

02:12:19.000 And then ultimately, I just want to encourage Democrats to get the abortions they want to get.

02:12:25.000 You know, Democrats and liberals and leftists, you know, I will help facilitate their trips See, I don't want them to get abortions.

02:12:34.000 I want their kids to find a different pathway than their parents did.

02:12:40.000 I want them to be able to have all the success and happiness in the world.

02:12:44.000 I thought this was sort of a good little nugget from what has been a difficult debate for a lot of people, and there's a lot of truth in it.

02:12:51.000 Elon Musk said, women in the West have been taught that an accidental pregnancy is the worst thing that could possibly happen to them.

02:12:58.000 Thus, they strongly oppose abortion bans as being an existential threat.

02:13:02.000 Many men also fear that they will be unable to have fun if abortion is outlawed.

02:13:08.000 These things are all unequivocally true, okay?

02:13:12.000 And I responded to him and said, the tragedy is that kids will fulfill most people more than anything else they do in life.

02:13:19.000 And Elon responded, absolutely.

02:13:20.000 And I think that's something That if I could communicate to any young person today who has never been in the room when the ultrasound happens, who has not been there and seen a child be born into the world, who has not been there and taught their kid how to ride a bike or any of these things, I would say, you know, reject this idea you've been sold that this is some clump of cells.

02:13:43.000 Realize this is an extension of you.

02:13:46.000 This is your opportunity to do better.

02:13:48.000 All those things in your life that you feel like you haven't done quite well enough or you feel like you wish you could be more, your child can be.

02:13:58.000 They're a clean slate.

02:14:00.000 And that doesn't mean you project all of your failures and say, oh, this person needs to be the betterment of all my failures, but understand that they can be greatness.

02:14:09.000 And to cancel that out and extinguish it before they've ever had the chance, I mean, you're not only impeding on their ability, and their right to life, and their right to become the greatest thing they can be, but you're hurting yourself.

02:14:26.000 Patrick Bette David tweets, not only was Vivek the unanimous winner, a star was born today, he shined, he was loose, he was comfortable yet intense, he even gave credit to DeSantis and Tim Scott multiple times, a good balance between a fighter, leader, and synergist.

02:14:39.000 He kept going to DeSantis on each break and spark a conversation with him, another sign of synergist.

02:14:44.000 He kept giving different perspectives, changing definition of overdose to terrorist poisoning.

02:14:49.000 He was so captivating tonight that if you watched the replay, you'd notice even his opponents impressed with his answers.

02:14:53.000 Yeah, he framed everything really, really well.

02:14:56.000 He was in control of the framing of all the questions when he was answering, like whatever they brought to him.

02:15:01.000 He made sure that he was answering in a way that made it understandable for the average person and also was on his terms.

02:15:10.000 ReallyNow asks, why y'all only listening to three-fifths of what Tim Scott says?

02:15:14.000 I'll tell you, I'll tell you.

02:15:15.000 Because he talked at three-fifths the speed.

02:15:17.000 No, that's not it at all.

02:15:19.000 It's because... I certainly understand the joke.

02:15:22.000 But why were we muting Tim Scott?

02:15:24.000 He wasn't actually giving answers.

02:15:25.000 Sorry.

02:15:26.000 After like a couple of the questions where they're like, what would you do about the border?

02:15:30.000 I would secure the border, because the border needs to be secured.

02:15:34.000 And then once I secure the border, I would deal with immigration in the country.

02:15:38.000 I'm like, all right, off.

02:15:39.000 Yeah, it's just boilerplate.

02:15:41.000 It's worse than boilerplate.

02:15:43.000 It's like, what would you do about the problem of laws at the border?

02:15:45.000 I'd bring the law.

02:15:46.000 Next question.

02:15:48.000 Okay, like you didn't answer the question, dude!

02:15:50.000 Yeah.

02:15:50.000 I wanted to hear people talk about flying spy drones over the border, like constant just drone surveillance over the border.

02:15:56.000 That's what we need.

02:15:57.000 You know how you set a debate with a trade worker?

02:16:00.000 They do that.

02:16:01.000 We know that they're already coming.

02:16:02.000 No, no, no.

02:16:03.000 We don't need to figure out how to find out.

02:16:05.000 They do that.

02:16:06.000 I wanted them to talk about it.

02:16:07.000 They have drones at the southern border.

02:16:08.000 They fly all the time, non-stop, and at the Canadian border as well.

02:16:12.000 We need to have a debate where you're on stage and you're just shouting out what you're thinking.

02:16:17.000 Yes.

02:16:17.000 Graphene, hydrogen fuel, these are things Vivek needs to talk about on the next one.

02:16:22.000 No, but I did notice that, what that person said in the super chat, that the opponents, you know, you can notice with the smiles... No, that was Patrick by David.

02:16:29.000 Oh, it was.

02:16:30.000 Okay, you notice with the smiles that you'd see some of the opponents smile after he finished with his answer in like a way that's like you can't hold it in because you know you're like, damn, that was good.

02:16:40.000 You know, that happened a couple times.

02:16:42.000 Like these people be in Vivek's cabinet kind of energy.

02:16:45.000 Yeah, I don't know if that's gonna happen.

02:16:46.000 That happened with Obama, I think.

02:16:48.000 They really liked him on stage when they were debating in 2008.

02:16:50.000 And Patrick Bette David, for the record, was there in the room.

02:16:53.000 That's why, of course, he saw, between commercial breaks, what he was seeing.

02:16:56.000 Do you think Hillary Clinton ever really liked Barack Obama?

02:16:58.000 I don't think so.

02:16:59.000 No?

02:17:00.000 Yeah, I don't think so.

02:17:00.000 I don't know.

02:17:03.000 I don't think there was real fond feelings there.

02:17:06.000 I'm so excited to take these debates to the next level of science, scientific accuracy, and really talk about technology that is the solution to the energy sector and the defense sector.

02:17:17.000 The Department of Defense is heavily invested in this graphene production out of Rice University and the hydrogen fuel production.

02:17:23.000 These are things that the average person, their eyes are going to gloss over and they're going to be like... Yeah, you need to let people know what... People understand kitchen table issues.

02:17:33.000 If you have... So Vivek is very, very knowledgeable when it comes to science and technology and stuff like that.

02:17:39.000 He's owned a biotech company or whatever.

02:17:41.000 If he started talking like that...

02:17:43.000 he would lose everybody. You gotta go slow. You have to talk to people, you have to go to people

02:17:48.000 where they are and just being like, this is my plan for the future and has all these things

02:17:52.000 that most people don't even know what you're talking about or are not be condescending with.

02:17:56.000 Yeah, like it's not a good way to do it.

02:18:00.000 Vivek's approach, I think, tonight was really, really good.

02:18:03.000 Like I said earlier, he framed everything in a way that people can understand.

02:18:07.000 Exactly.

02:18:08.000 And it was clear and concise.

02:18:09.000 That was the most important thing he really needed in his campaign.

02:18:12.000 I think before he always seemed like he was like the college boy type person.

02:18:15.000 This time I think he was way more relatable and he got people.

02:18:18.000 He had some gotchas, you know?

02:18:19.000 Yeah, a lot of gotchas.

02:18:20.000 Remember when Matt Gaetz was on this show last?

02:18:23.000 When was that?

02:18:23.000 That was like a month ago, I guess, right?

02:18:24.000 About a month.

02:18:25.000 No, it was over a month.

02:18:26.000 It was over a month.

02:18:27.000 We had him on stage on the Friday episode.

02:18:29.000 Yeah, what, two or three months ago?

02:18:30.000 So this is like five weeks now.

02:18:32.000 When he was here, I smashed my pinky in between the chair and the table, so that's why my pinky is discolored.

02:18:37.000 Oh, snap.

02:18:38.000 And so I'm just, like, counting the days since Matt Gaetz has been here.

02:18:42.000 The length of my fingernail.

02:18:43.000 Have you soaked it in Epsom salt?

02:18:45.000 If water and epsom salt.

02:18:46.000 There's a hole in it, it's dented, and blood is coming out the back.

02:18:50.000 Ian wants you to put graphene in it.

02:18:51.000 I have some right here, actually.

02:18:53.000 Have you ever seen it in person?

02:18:55.000 It's like black powder, but like sand.

02:18:57.000 He wants you to stick your finger in there.

02:18:58.000 I'm not sure if that would be good.

02:19:01.000 All right, Alexander Scarpacci says, Vivek should be Trump's chief of staff.

02:19:05.000 He needs to be continuously in Trump's ear.

02:19:07.000 Yeah, dude.

02:19:08.000 That would be killer, actually.

02:19:09.000 If Trump is president, that'd be killer.

02:19:11.000 And if anything, I kind of feel like Vivek Everything he's saying, it's like you got these older neocons who are talking about BS garbage no one cares about, except for maybe older neocons.

02:19:21.000 And then Davek is basically saying, remember me in 2028.

02:19:23.000 Yeah.

02:19:25.000 And maybe Trump sends him to the UN, you know, where Nikki went last time and this time just burn it down.

02:19:31.000 I don't know.

02:19:32.000 I don't know.

02:19:32.000 Maybe.

02:19:32.000 I mean, look, dude's a billionaire.

02:19:34.000 Almost.

02:19:34.000 He's half a billionaire.

02:19:36.000 What is net worth?

02:19:37.000 650, 650 million or something like that.

02:19:39.000 Yeah.

02:19:39.000 I don't think a guy like that wants to just be an ambassador.

02:19:42.000 No, a VP or president.

02:19:45.000 If there was a stage where... I think there's a job out there.

02:19:49.000 I don't know which one it'd be.

02:19:51.000 Maybe it's governor or senate or something like that because he's in Ohio, isn't he?

02:19:55.000 Yeah.

02:19:56.000 So I could see him trying in the next Ohio governor election.

02:19:59.000 I don't know when that is because I think DeWine was just elected again in 2022.

02:20:04.000 I'd have to double check that.

02:20:08.000 2020 maybe or 2022.

02:20:12.000 So maybe that's the future, you know?

02:20:14.000 2019.

02:20:15.000 He was, yeah.

02:20:16.000 No, no, wait.

02:20:18.000 American Poltergeist Attorney since, yeah.

02:20:21.000 2019 he was elected as the 70th governor of Ohio.

02:20:23.000 Yeah so maybe that's the the future move because I could see him doing a great job in that position as a governor and kind of proving the model of his leadership on on a state level and then you know.

02:20:36.000 I've got a feeling that he would become like a personality on talk show personality instead.

02:20:40.000 I could see that too.

02:20:41.000 Only because he said he doesn't want anything than the best.

02:20:44.000 He's not interested in anything other than But a governor's a pretty cool robot.

02:20:47.000 Before he ran, he was preparing to roll out a podcast, wasn't he?

02:20:52.000 He does have a podcast.

02:20:52.000 He does have one.

02:20:53.000 Okay.

02:20:53.000 Yeah.

02:20:53.000 It's actually very good.

02:20:54.000 Yeah.

02:20:55.000 I remember seeing it.

02:20:56.000 It's on YouTube.

02:20:58.000 I mean, dude, he had the opening and the closing.

02:21:01.000 It was amazing.

02:21:03.000 I don't think there was an answer he gave that was bad, you know?

02:21:07.000 No, I didn't like that he interrupted, Nicky.

02:21:08.000 I didn't like that he was interrupting.

02:21:10.000 He didn't have to do that.

02:21:11.000 You get powerful enough, you don't have to interrupt anymore.

02:21:13.000 At least you think you did the right thing.

02:21:15.000 I didn't mind it.

02:21:16.000 It works when Donald Trump does it.

02:21:18.000 I think sometimes, like, If you wait too long, it starts to feel like, oh, they had to sit there and think out this response in a debate format.

02:21:28.000 I don't have a problem with it.

02:21:29.000 If you're in a room having a respectful conversation with somebody, yes, wait for them to finish what they have to say.

02:21:34.000 Respond.

02:21:35.000 In a debate, live on TV, where people want to see your leadership and quick thinking ability, I see no problem cutting in and saying, hey, no, I'm going to correct this on the spot, you know?

02:21:46.000 Yeah.

02:21:47.000 Alright.

02:21:48.000 Well, I mean, we actually don't have that many superchats, so... Yeah, kind of a surprise.

02:21:53.000 Yeah.

02:21:53.000 People are so invested in the show.

02:21:54.000 I mean, it's mostly just Vivek, Vivek, and fire emojis and stuff like that.

02:22:00.000 Yeah, so I think, look, this is a special debate night show.

02:22:04.000 We usually don't do members-only shows, because we go into superchats afterwards, but...

02:22:10.000 I don't know.

02:22:10.000 I guess, I guess it's, uh, the debate's over.

02:22:13.000 I feel like we, uh, you know, I gotta say it.

02:22:17.000 I don't care for the lesser-known GOP debates.

02:22:19.000 I insult them routinely.

02:22:21.000 I didn't want to do this when I was even talking to Luke yesterday.

02:22:23.000 I'm like, I don't care about the debate, dude.

02:22:24.000 Like, let's talk about the news.

02:22:25.000 It's like this, the manifesto stuff.

02:22:27.000 But I'm glad we did watch it.

02:22:29.000 Because Vivek was epic, and that was pretty awesome.

02:22:33.000 But I guess, that being said, we'll just wind things up, so smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, but most importantly, watch Infringed.

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02:23:43.000 The band is All That Remains.

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02:23:50.000 And I just got confirmation from Luke Rudkowski.

02:23:53.000 We Are Change.

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02:23:55.000 3 p.m.

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02:24:00.000 Can you confirm the heels of He posted a picture.

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02:24:15.000 We were talking a lot about energy tonight.

02:24:16.000 That was a big part of the theme of saving the world.

02:24:19.000 Check out my YouTube channel.

02:24:20.000 I interviewed you, Keskel Moskowitz, who's talking about reusing 95% of our spent nuclear

02:24:24.000 fuel to create closed systems so that we don't have to worry about mining it from Kazakhstan

02:24:28.000 or Canada.

02:24:30.000 We can actually just reuse what we got and continue our nuclear productions capacity.

02:24:34.000 And also that's episode number four.

02:24:36.000 Episode number two is James Tuer talking about retrofitting our economy into a hydrogen-based

02:24:40.000 fuel system and mass producing graphene with which we can build the wall and many walls

02:24:45.000 and many ships for our Navy.

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02:24:51.000 I am Serge.com.

02:24:52.000 I agree.

02:24:53.000 Let's build that northern wall against the maple curtain.

02:24:55.000 We need to get something out there.

02:24:57.000 Because these Canadians are just, you know, going to keep pouring over the water.

02:25:01.000 So, I again, I'm Serge.com.

02:25:03.000 Yeah, let's deal with this frostbite problem.

02:25:05.000 And I'm just kidding.

02:25:07.000 I really am just kidding.

02:25:07.000 I have a lot of good Canadian friends.

02:25:08.000 We just had some Canadians on the other way.

02:25:10.000 When you get off today, they're gonna go, AY!

02:25:14.000 I hope they apologize to me.

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02:25:20.000 Alright everybody, thanks for hanging out.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - November 09, 2023

Timcast IRL - GOP DEBATE LIVE & TRUMP RALLY Commentary Stream w-Robby Starbuck

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