On this episode of the show, the guys from The Defiant join us to talk about the White Lung vaccine and why they don t think it s a good idea. Plus, we have our first ever live musical performance featuring a full band!
00:00:00.000So it's kind of funny when we had Jeremy Boring on the show earlier this week, it was around
00:00:14.000the same time Disney announced that they were losing money due to their politics.
00:00:19.000And I'm like, wow, what a perfect timing.
00:00:21.000And so today, we're hearing this big news that the GOP is calling for a travel ban with China over something called the White Lung, which is reportedly popping up in the US, Europe, and China.
00:00:30.000In China, there's videos of more lockdowns, of what look like pandemic lockdown measures.
00:00:37.000And it feels kind of like this is how it gets started.
00:00:39.000And the funny thing is, we're hanging out with some of our friends who have some experience with lockdowns.
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00:01:13.000If you want to support our work, we got a pretty wild show for you tonight, because we're going to be doing our first ever live musical performance, full band.
00:01:19.000And we used to play music on this show, but we haven't in a very long time.
00:01:23.000I'd like to start by saying I'm not going to get the white lung vaccine.
00:01:27.000you know, where's it gonna go with it? So joining us tonight we have the Defiant,
00:01:30.000friends of ours, we're really excited. So smash that like button, subscribe, do all that stuff,
00:01:34.000share the show with your friends. Let's start, whoever wants to take the lead and introduce
00:01:38.000your introduce yourselves. I'd like to start by saying I'm not going to get the white lung vaccine.
00:03:11.000But it's not so much about me saying I like the song, I'm saying like that song was ubiquitous when it came out, and then it became a meme.
00:03:17.000Everybody just kept playing it on the internet like crazy, like it was fun, it was funny.
00:03:19.000Did you write it from start to finish?
00:03:28.000It was the last song to be added to that album.
00:03:31.000They basically told us to go back to the drawing board because the album wasn't finished and I wrote that one and another one and those were the first two singles.
00:04:57.000Well, I got a question for you, Dickie.
00:04:59.000How come you called the band the Mighty Mighty Boss Tones and not just the Mighty Boss Tones or the Boss Tones?
00:05:04.000That's a fantastic question, Ian, and all right, let's settle in because this is quite an answer.
00:05:09.000There was another band we found out later on, and this is long before you could Google or, you know, check out like we did with The Defiant where we were checking out if there's other bands and We went through a long, long list of different names we were going to have when we finally settled on The Defiant.
00:05:23.000But with The Boss Tones, somebody told us, like, we were just about to put out the record, and someone said, you know, there's a band from the 50s.
00:05:32.000They were a Harvard, like, acapella sort of doo-wop band called The Boss Tones.
00:05:38.000And we're like, shit, we don't want to change the name of the band.
00:06:04.000I mean, Rascal King, when you're like, man, could he ever talk, dude?
00:06:08.000That line and that song, if you guys don't know the Rascal King, you gotta put it on in the background during this interview for a little while, but that just shook me to the core, man.
00:06:15.000I was an actor at the time, so it was nice to hear a guy talking about the value of being a smooth talker, and even though the Rascal King probably wasn't— Dude, don't tell me!
00:07:40.000This is, okay, remember when these photos came out of people's lungs and they were white?
00:07:45.000And now it's like happening all over again?
00:07:48.000It's kind of wild because, you know, basically, I don't think all of you in the band, but many of you I think, have
00:07:56.000stories of defying the lockdowns, the restrictions, the mandates.
00:07:59.000And so, the day you're like, hey, we're going to come on and we're going to talk about this, we get this story about, it's all starting again.
00:08:05.000And now, of course, they are saying, no, no, don't worry, there's not going to be another pandemic.
00:08:09.000Health Facts are saying, don't worry about it.
00:08:13.000When COVID first started, you had Fauci saying that you didn't have to wear a mask, don't worry, it's not that big a deal.
00:08:18.000YouTube was actually restricting content that was talking about it, and then all of a sudden it turned into the whole country locking down.
00:08:25.000Restrictions on businesses, mandates for certain medical treatments.
00:10:31.000And I think the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, so we should pay attention to these stories.
00:10:37.000And I don't know what to tell you, man.
00:10:38.000You gotta figure out what's right for you.
00:10:42.000You gotta talk to a medical practitioner that you trust when these things get wild, but I do think when it comes to government authoritarianism, it's entirely another question.
00:11:43.000And, um, Jimmy wasn't happy that I wasn't going to get that vaccine and all the producers of the show were very upset with me.
00:11:53.000But by that time I was living, I had left California and I was living in Arizona because my kid, I brought my kids there because I, They wanted kids to play with in Pasadena, California.
00:12:05.000It was very, you know, very tight and very restricted.
00:12:07.000And so we went there and they had cousins that lived there.
00:12:12.000So then Jimmy found out that I wasn't gonna get the shot and he was like, what the hell are you doing?
00:12:19.000And then to his, you know, in all fairness to him, he, You know, tried to keep me for as long as he could.
00:12:27.000And then this, you know, piece of paper came in from the Disney and said, all Disney employees have to get the vaccine.
00:12:34.000And then, you know, and I was in, I was actually announcing the show from my garage in Arizona of a house that I was.
00:12:43.000Would they like send you a script like in the day?
00:13:43.000So many friends and friendships were busting up and breaking up.
00:13:47.000Was a victim of that, and there's people in my life that I don't really care about so much anymore, that I once cared greatly about, and said, eh, you know, you've shown your colors, you've shown me who you are, but it's hard, you know?
00:14:12.000Like, we've had people who come on this show, We have people who work here and they get texts from people insulting them and saying, I can't be friends with you.
00:14:20.000And I'm like, that person was never your friend.
00:14:22.000Like, what did you do by saying things you've always said?
00:14:26.000And it's just, if these people are more concerned about fitting in with strangers than being, than caring for someone they've known for decades, they never have a friend in the first place.
00:14:35.000I agree with you a hundred percent, but then in this instance that never happened, you know?
00:14:41.000So, Do I have friends that, and this is lifelong, and I'm older than you, Tim.
00:14:47.000I've had friends that politically or ideologically, we don't think the same way.
00:14:54.000But before all this COVID crap and before everything that went down, that was okay.
00:14:59.000If someone told me they were voting for George Bush and I was voting a different way, I was like, okay, but I can still be your friend.
00:15:19.000The Trump era is people can't, cannot deal with if, you know, I'm, I'm kind of, you know, part of me is glad it all went down.
00:15:27.000Cause you really get to see who's evil.
00:15:29.000It's kind of sorts, you know, the rotten fruit sort of exposed itself and, It's important not to hate, though, because it's like this dumbass PSYOP, man.
00:15:37.000It's like hate the left and the right and the this and the them and the the up and the down and like the and it's like it's all getting through social media and they're like, did you see far left?
00:15:47.000This guy's skin color is this color and this one's this color.
00:16:42.000I laughed a hearty laugh, and I was like, yo, this is crazy.
00:16:46.000Like, I grew up playing, like, I Choose, and The Kids Aren't Alright, Gone Away, and now he's, this guy's, like, gone hyper-political and blocked me on Twitter, and I never even talked to the guy.
00:17:39.000And I think, you know, Live Nation and the other people at the top of the pyramid were like, oh, how about we'll have the idea of the fully vaccinated tour, right?
00:17:48.000So now we can say everyone in the bands and crew are fully vaccinated.
00:17:52.000So it's safe for you to come out and come to the shows again.
00:17:56.000Everyone get back out there and we'll act, you know, COVID's over.
00:18:00.000Long as you go get this shot, you're going to be totally safe.
00:18:03.000And at first, I think it also trickled down to the audiences, too.
00:18:09.000Like, the couple big artists out of the gate, you know, for whatever reason, they were like, oh, we're doing these shows that are only for the vaccinated.
00:18:19.000And I think they've all figured out pretty quickly that, you know, mandating the vaccine on your band and crew is good for business.
00:18:26.000Mandating it on your audience is terrible for business.
00:18:28.000Like, they've pissed off half of their crowd, because a lot of people were not interested in this or were hanging back to see how it went, didn't want to get one up front, and were pissed that it would be segregating them out of being able to go back out to concerts and things.
00:18:42.000Especially since, I mean, it was pretty well known, if you were paying attention, that it didn't stop transmission.
00:18:49.000I mean, the FDA, even in January 21, I have a screenshot of it that my wife took, you know, said, well, most vaccines are, you know, made to stop the transmission.
00:20:23.000You said something when you were working on Kimmel, Dickie, like, and this is right along with what you're saying that, like, Disney came in and they said, everyone has to get this medicine.
00:20:30.000And everything I know about the medical industry is you go to a doctor, they give you medicine that's tailored for you.
00:20:36.000They wouldn't say, like, your doctor wouldn't say, I'm going to prescribe you a medicine for every human because every human's different.
00:20:45.000The one size fits all thing was part of the, you know, what led to me to this is bullshit because, you know, I have, I have children, like what I'm going to take, my children are going to take my, you know, my elderly mother's going to take, it's all going to be the same thing.
00:21:00.000My, my sister who has MS, she's going to take the same thing.
00:22:31.000And it's, you know, they say like, you find out who your friends are, but it's like when you're in a band and you guys can attest to this too, your family, like some years you spend more time on the road with these people than you spend with your own family.
00:22:43.000And you know, everything, everyone's your family and, but you find out where you are and where you really stand the first time you say no to something.
00:22:50.000And you know, that's, this was the first no that I had given and I was gone.
00:23:29.000No, no, no, no, there's a word for it.
00:23:31.000There's a word for acceptable narratives, like, you must agree with the Ukraine war, you must agree with the lockdowns, you must agree with the vaccinations, you must side with these political issues, and if you don't, then you're outside.
00:23:42.000It's crazy that, like, you were saying before COVID, and I would actually add, I think before the Trump era, whatever you want to call it, If you are of different political background, like, you could still be friends.
00:23:53.000It was like, oh, I don't know, I guess.
00:24:28.000And then they've got a tour coming up, and they've got shows.
00:24:31.000They had a show in Nashville, where I live, and people are hitting me up for tickets for all these shows that I know I won't be at anymore.
00:24:37.000So it was like, all right, well, what do we do here?
00:24:39.000I don't want to have this conversation 500 different times.
00:24:43.000So, you know, drafted up a statement was pretty nice explaining just basically, here's, here's why I won't be there anymore and say anything bad about anyone and was just like, you know, but also said, I don't think this is right.
00:24:55.000I don't think anybody should be forced to get this by their employer, by the government, by anyone, you know. And
00:25:01.000so if anybody else feels left out and lost here, like, got your back, you know,
00:25:05.000understood. And I just figured firing squad, you know, flamethrowers and that would be
00:25:11.000Shout out to the chat. It's MassLine. It's the political, organizational,
00:25:15.000and leadership method developed by Mao Zedong and the Chinese Communist Party.
00:25:19.000It refers to formulating policy based on theory, implementing it based on people's real-world conditions, revising theory and policy based on actual practice, etc, etc.
00:25:26.000But people make references to, like, the Ukraine war starts.
00:25:31.000And so you end up with this weird circumstance where the American political left, as we describe it, is critical of the military-industrial complex, supportive of the military-industrial complex, in favor of pro-choice, because my body, my choice, I choose my medical practice, but then you should be forced to undergo medical treatments.
00:25:48.000Completely, none of these things align logically, they align politically.
00:25:55.000There's no logic to it, but that is what you must adhere to.
00:26:17.000And then I had people online coming at me, and people I knew coming at me going, Oh, well, you're this right-wing thing now, or this or that, which that's not insulting to me.
00:26:31.000But it was just bizarre that it's like, OK, if you won't do this thing, here's the laundry list of things we're going to call you that we think are terrible.
00:27:40.000For all the people that ran from you, there's this other group of people that ran towards you, you know, and you kind of, like my wife said, well, you know, we're not going to hide here.
00:28:20.000It depends if they're hypocrites and they're evil and they're doing nasty things, you call them out.
00:28:24.000But, you know, you talk about the people rushing towards you.
00:28:27.000I'm pretty sure my mom, I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure she cried when she found out that Pete Parata, the drummer for The Offspring, was playing
00:29:09.000It is interesting how, if you're a kid and you have like a hero that you look up to, and then you live your truest self publicly, that you may end up working with them.
00:29:20.000Because, like, You know, look, my mom was, when I was little, she's like, oh, you know, Dexter Holland, he's getting his PhD and all that stuff.
00:29:28.000Like, she was so proud that I was looking up to a band where the lead singer of this rock star was also getting an education.
00:29:34.000And I did think that was really great.
00:29:36.000You know, Tim, he flies his own plane.
00:31:09.000If I had a band, if I had a show, if anyone at Timcast and we are going to do shows, we're going to do a bunch of venue stuff and something like this happened, there's no way in hell I would cut off communication and terminate someone I'd worked with for 14 years.
00:31:23.000My worst case scenario would be something like I'd go to you, Pete, and I'd say, we got your back.
00:31:27.000We'll keep you in the studio as long as we can.
00:31:29.000When we can get you back on the shows, you're there.
00:32:08.000And I'm getting text messages and Instagram messages from all these other bands, and they're like, dude, we're on the same festival with your old band today.
00:32:17.000Nobody asked us for papers or anything.
00:32:19.000And I'm like, I know that, and you know that, but I can't get through to anybody.
00:32:25.000Yeah, there was no venue the fall of 2021.
00:32:29.000There was no venue in the United States that I could not have played with them.
00:32:33.000I looked up everyone, believe me, until I finally had to just stop caring for my own sanity and mental safety.
00:32:41.000But, you know, once they went to England in October, November, yeah, I wouldn't have been allowed to go there, and I understand that.
00:32:49.000Then I tell you, like, I would outright just be like, bro, if you can't come to the studio because they won't let you, if they can't let you enter the board... My response would not be, well, you can't cross the borders, you can't work with us.
00:32:59.000My response would be, looks like you're getting a year where we're going to pay you because they're not letting you come.
00:33:03.000Keep an eye out and we'll go through all the fine details as soon as we can get you in.
00:33:07.000If you can come in this country, you're with us.
00:33:08.000If not, hang out at home and we'll keep paying you.
00:33:32.000Trump was also, there's like a similar thing here, but COVID was really like, With Trump, there's a lot of people who voted for him but kept their mouths shut.
00:33:55.000Because, you know, COVID wasn't affecting kids, and that was the one thing they couldn't convince people, and I think that Yeah, that's suspect, right?
00:34:04.000Make no mistake about it, this time it's affecting kids.
00:34:08.000But I mean, like, with Trump's campaign, a lot of people kept their mouths shut because they didn't want to be outed as a Trump supporter, but there was no harsh extreme authoritarianism, you're not locking your home.
00:34:18.000Then they do the lockdowns, and it's the same thing.
00:34:20.000It's the political line you must adhere to no matter what, And the punishment was ten times more severe.
00:34:26.000COVID was like... No, like, how many... Well, just, sorry, but like, there are some people who got fired for being Trump supporters, but early on it wasn't as pronounced.
00:34:33.000There are some musicians who were accused of being a January 6th, they got fired.
00:34:37.000But, like, the COVID stuff is outright, take a medical treatment, and in your instance, against the advice of your own doctor.
00:34:43.000And that's crazy, because you should definitely just not listen to strangers and listen to your doctor.
00:35:05.000It's do it or we're putting you in a... You're gonna go break rocks.
00:35:08.000I feel like the COVID experience was like a psychological vaccination on the human consciousness.
00:35:16.000It was such intense fear, propaganda, and numbers being flashed on CNN, death numbers, these, horror, horror, horror.
00:35:25.000Scaring people insane and then numbers start to come out that it's like a 99.7% survival rate and you're like what in the hell did we just do for two years and now people are like immune to this and not a hundred percent but it's like we're ready for this kind of stupid fear prop now like I'm hyper vigilant against fear propaganda at the moment and I know a lot a lot of other people that are that weren't in 2020.
00:35:49.000Well, but even at the time in 21, I mean, people like me that got let go, other bands, people from bands all around that got fired.
00:36:23.000But for me, with the white lung or whatever, the new thing, the fact that this new, the newest round of the vaccine, the brand new one, that nobody wants.
00:36:57.000The Texas AG is suing Pfizer, stating that Pfizer lied about the efficacy of the vaccines and what they did.
00:37:04.000So that's, I mean, it's kind of wild to think a state is now going after these corporations saying that they put out lies.
00:37:10.000Now, what really pissed me off, YouTube, to this day, is aligned with a company that is currently being, I believe they're being sued, I believe that's what Ken Paxton launched, was it a lawsuit or an investigation?
00:37:22.000So, YouTube's policies are to align with the opinions of private capitalist corporations that are selling a product instead of board-certified doctors who are going on YouTube and saying, like, here's my expert analysis.
00:38:01.000A lot of these same opinions now are kosher.
00:38:03.000Well, because a lot of the stuff they said back then that was called conspiracy stuff has been widely accepted as fact now.
00:38:09.000But, you know, no credit given to the people who were banned and censored over it.
00:38:13.000But now we all go, oh, well, yeah, obviously it didn't stop transmission and obviously, you know, but it's still, you know, then they like to twist the wording like, well, it cut down on hospitalizations.
00:38:24.000Well, it made your symptoms less severe.
00:38:26.000And it's like, well, that's not what was sold to everyone.
00:39:27.000Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but I think that there's a good percentage of those people that think that they're going to the light and I'm going to the dark.
00:40:31.000Offspring or whatever they didn't do or however you feel about them or they shattered young Tim's Skateboarding and listening to pretty fly for a white guy.
00:41:02.000And we can go back to your favorite bit.
00:41:04.000But I think the point needs to be made that it's like through all of that, you know, me and Pete are now friends and me and the guys from The Defiant, good has come from that.
00:41:16.000So whatever, like, I'm so past like, You know, I mean, I want things to be different going forward.
00:41:23.000Whatever this white lung may or may not be, or whatever the next, you know, bullshit they're going to throw at us in order for corporations to make a lot of money, I hope that we've learned something from this.
00:41:34.000Like, oh, I did that last time, but I'm not going to do this again this time.
00:41:37.000And I think Pete's point about this, you know, the 53rd booster, nobody's getting it.
00:41:42.000I think, you know, slowly but surely people are starting to learn whatever's going on here.
00:41:48.000So, so, it's, it's like, I don't, I don't really, the negativity, I don't think I need to, to, to bask or even dwell or even live in that at all.
00:41:57.000To me, it's like, Noodles and Dexter forever will be Noodles and Dexter to me.
00:42:01.000And I, and, and the, you know, Todd, who plays guitar now, I guess, for the offspring, you know, bass, he's bass.
00:42:10.000He was bass player, but didn't they move him to guitar?
00:42:31.000And when I wanted to meet Pete, when I found out that, you know, what had happened to him and I wanted, he said, Hey, maybe we should make some music together.
00:42:38.000Todd gave me a Pete's phone number easily, willingly, and not with any kind of, you know, anger or anything.
00:42:47.000You know, I'll never forget I you know, I'm gonna actually I'll give you my list Tim you can put it in to save somewhere I won't forget, you know the way people behaved in the way they acted and there's certain things that happened to me that But I had but if they came if these people came out to me be I you know be Hey, how you doing?
00:43:03.000We played a festival a couple of weeks ago.
00:43:06.000Bunch of bands that I know, you know, probably very negative about us were real, real welcoming to us and we were treated really well at the festival by the people there.
00:43:16.000I'm more of a figurative divine retribution kind of guy.
00:43:22.000And I think that We don't want bad people.
00:43:28.000We don't want them to keep doing these things.
00:43:32.000And we don't want them to do it to more people.
00:43:34.000And so what I would love, I would love if after they axed Pete the way they did, they couldn't find another drummer.
00:43:42.000And not maybe for even ideological reasons.
00:43:46.000Let's say they go, they say, okay, you know what, this Pete guy, we've known him for 14 years, and we don't want to work with him anymore because he won't take this, his doctor doesn't want him to get this vaccine, so we're firing him.
00:43:56.000So then they call up somebody, we need a new drummer, and they all go, wait, you fired your drummer for what?
00:44:00.000Because a doctor gave, I'm not, are you nuts?
00:44:01.000You're going to fire me in two seconds.
00:44:03.000Well, the problem with that is Tim, and I know you love the offspring so dearly.
00:44:31.000And through no pain, other than you made a mistake, nobody wants to work with you for doing this because you did a mean thing to somebody.
00:44:37.000But instead, some other drummer's like, I'll take the money, I don't care.
00:44:39.000There are other methods of retribution that can manifest, like if Pete were to leave the band and then Offspring makes another song that's even better than anything they've done, but The Defiant makes one even better than that.
00:45:23.000And not only that, because we all have the same beliefs and the same sort of values and not in a million years would if someone came to me and said, hey, you know, my doctor said, you know, I can't take this and everybody else is going to.
00:45:41.000I figured just like you said, I would have figured out a way.
00:45:59.000He's a great dude, and he had a different kind of, for lack of a better term, cancellation journey than me or other people and whatever, but he's rad.
00:46:10.000Again, I wouldn't have I probably wouldn't have met him through you guys here.
00:46:18.000The first punk show I ever played with my band Impact Unit, a hardcore band, was opening up for the Misfits in Boston.
00:46:31.000See that's the, for, I think a lot of people listening right now, especially people have been commenting like they bought all the Boston records, they were kids listening to this stuff.
00:46:39.000Yeah, yeah, they're chatting, they're writing about, but I mean like that story is like, so many people are inspired and that's like the stuff of legends for them.
00:46:47.000It was actually a pretty big kind of famous show.
00:46:49.000I think they made their video for Brain Eaters in Boston the day before.
00:46:54.000And they had a bunch of Boston hardcore punk rockers, some of the guys from the FU's, D.Y.S., bass player from my band Impact Unit, a kid named Sam McAfee, a nice old man like me.
00:47:06.000um they were in this and look it up brain eaters is the name of the song not you ian oh and not even you can't stop me not even i'm talking to the people commenting oh yeah so it's a great video of them just uh i guess they're eating cow brains oh wow kind of kind of just to wrap up my my last point yeah i could understand did i step on it or shit on it I don't think so.
00:47:28.000I understand what you're saying about we want to find the positive and move forward and focus on the good.
00:47:53.000For sure, but don't we want to just, you know, resist and say, at the very least, don't do that?
00:47:58.000But here's the thing about this particular band, is that, you know, there was a lot of anticipation about us even just doing our first show, and like, what that would be like, and A lot of people were like, oh, they're going to get booed off stage and all this kind of thing.
00:48:12.000It's like us doing good and us doing our music and just, you know, doing well is very powerful.
00:48:19.000And actually, now that you guys with this new album are going to, you know, just shatter the billboard charts and make millions and millions of dollars, everyone's going to be sorry.
00:49:17.000I still back everything that I said, but you know, now that the narrative has shifted, everybody's like, well, I don't want to admit I was wrong, so maybe we should all just... I'm sorry, dude.
00:50:01.000but so yeah it broke my heart but there was so much else going on at the time for me and and you know what what when i decided not to do what i did when i decided i wasn't going to get that covid shot it affected me monetarily too it affected you know my livelihood my lifestyle it wasn't an easy decision but the reason i made that decision is because there's people that Followed what I do.
00:50:31.000And, you know, Boston's fans, you know, Ian's out there that are Boston's fans.
00:50:37.000Well, Dickie did this, so I guess it's cool.
00:50:41.000And I just didn't want to send that signal.
00:50:45.000I'm really excited to say this next line, because before the show, when we were talking about, you know, the Smash Mouth music, and I started thinking about the 90s playlist that we got going on, and of course, the impression that I get.
00:50:56.000I mentioned you have that line in the song, I'm not a coward, I've just never been tested.
00:50:59.000I like to think that if I was, I would pass.
00:51:01.000And I was like, I looked up and I was like, bro, you passed.
00:51:38.000It's a brilliant lyric, the whole structure of it.
00:51:40.000Well, I'll tell you, the song itself was just that, was just about, I mean, we were a ska band playing ska music, traveling around in a van and then eventually a bus.
00:51:50.000And we had the opportunity for, you know, there was 12 guys in that van that You know, could go from city to city, show up, people were excited you were in their town and they'd come out and hear you play.
00:52:01.000I was like, wow, this is a great life, which led me to think about, you know, generations that went before us.
00:52:06.000And it's like, I'm so, you know, the people that lived through Vietnam or, you know, your grandparents, the Great Depression and, you know, all kinds of, and I'm like, my generation just really hasn't had anything, you know?
00:52:19.000And, you know, maybe enter, you know, 9-11 and then You know this for me this this you know the pandemic and everything the lockdown so and me being forced to say
00:52:33.000Oh my God, I'm going to do something that's going to possibly affect my family.
00:52:40.000Was it as hard as you imagined the challenge would be?
00:53:13.000But the one thing that I kept thinking was I don't want people to get a vaccine based on my decision.
00:53:22.000Or I didn't even want to get the fake card.
00:53:25.000I didn't want a signal and I didn't want to You know, so for me, it was off the table and I, and I couldn't do it.
00:53:32.000I know a lot of people who, uh, I believe have fake cards and nobody, nobody says it explicitly, but you get a wink and you're like, I think I know what they're doing.
00:54:37.000Yeah, I'm going to face the firing squad.
00:54:38.000I pulled up like a deck chair and I got a fake card.
00:54:41.000Right, but show them that there's no opportunity, your job, and there's no one above you, your employer, government, anybody that should be able to tell you what to do with your body.
00:54:51.000And if I can't stand up here and show them, How do I expect them to hold on to themselves later in life?
00:54:56.000So for me, if those are the only two people that were affected positively by my decision, then that's plenty for me.
00:55:04.000So what's it been like since I mean, so you guys are in a band, you got songs coming out, you're playing shows obviously, right?
00:56:09.000But during The pandemic, there was a lot of hullabaloo around them where they were actually, you know, like reading the paper and go, what's this all about?
00:56:19.000The Teenage Bottle Rocket is playing a show in Florida.
00:56:24.000And if you're vaccinated, it's, you know, $20.
00:56:29.000And if you're unvaccinated, it's a thousand dollars.
00:56:55.000You know, if you're unvaccinated and they're like, well, you know, uh, Kind of stammering and stuttering a little bit, and the segment ended, but I've been mad at them since.
00:57:08.000They were playing this festival, and we pulled up in the parking lot, and me and Greg drove down together, and I got out, and they were getting out of their van next to us like, oh shit, the Defiant.
00:57:22.000I was walking around like that anyway, around the thing.
00:57:25.000All, you know, hello, hello, how are you?
00:58:00.000Once the news were involved, now they're on CNN.
00:58:03.000Now they're on, you know, people do it.
00:58:04.000And there was a time where it's kind of, you know, well, they didn't know what to do.
00:58:10.000So CNN made a start, I mean, should they have said, you know, hey, under no uncertain circumstances, but they didn't know, they didn't want to be thrown in the, you know, they all got shots, they were all vaccine, vaccinated guys.
00:58:24.000And so they were agreeing with the thing, but they didn't agree with the show and the terms as it was.
00:58:31.000I'm fairly, so I think in the real world, You can't discriminate on the basis of disabilities and things like that.
00:58:43.000Like, for instance, if Pete went to that show and they tried charging you a thousand bucks because your doctor has prohibited you or advised you against, there's nothing else you can do.
00:59:44.000And then you would have all the people that paid $20,000, and then the people that paid $1,000, and they'd be like, well, now we're unsafe, and they're still here.
01:00:44.000Yeah, yeah, that song was pro-alt-right, and it was the weirdest thing for me.
01:00:48.000That, I don't know if they were trying to be ironic in praising white nationalism, or what was going on, but I bring this one up because something weird happened in the Trump era with punk rock.
01:01:00.000Where punk became corporate mainstream, rage against the machine is now known as rage on behalf of the machine.
01:01:20.000I think people are into legacy protection mode, like they're playing prevent-defense here.
01:01:25.000Everybody's so scared because everyone's getting called out for something all over the place, right?
01:01:29.000So all these bands are like locking down, hunkering down, keep your head down, don't do anything controversial, don't say anything controversial, like let's just ride this out.
01:01:39.000Like everybody's worried about getting their whole legacy erased for doing one thing wrong.
01:01:44.000But also, that whole concept of being anti-establishment, being like, you know, fuck the man, all this kind of thing, was sort of easy to say when it didn't really mean anything.
01:02:01.000How many punk rock, fuck the man bands said, govern me harder, daddy, as soon as it came down to the line?
01:02:10.000I think there's such a vast majority of people too that were coming from a good place in the sense that they were just trying to do what they thought was the right thing and I think that they're really victims as well.
01:02:32.000The commonplace actions of the ignorant masses, believing that what they're doing was a just cause, leads to people being loaded up into train cars and then brought off to gas chambers.
01:02:40.000They just don't see it though, you know what I mean?
01:02:41.000They think they're doing the right thing.
01:02:44.000And there are powers much bigger than themselves that are... Snowflake doesn't blame itself for the avalanche.
01:02:50.000But if we... This is what it all just comes back to, I mean, all of these people who marched in lockstep with authoritarian, fascistic ideologies and forced medical treatments will gladly do it again if they think the pain is on their side and not on our side.
01:03:10.000What I mean is, It's like I was saying with the two roads.
01:03:14.000If they look over here, and all we say is, we will forgive you and just move on, they're like, okay, then I have no risk whatsoever for knifing you in the back.
01:03:22.000And they look to where they're standing, and the guy next to him says,
01:03:25.000you make one wrong move and I'll destroy you.
01:03:27.000And they're like, I'm with you, I'm with you.
01:03:30.000Because he knows, none of you guys will ever speak out.
01:03:33.000You're like, you'll defend yourselves, you'll move on, you'll be successful, those are all good things.
01:03:38.000But it's like you're saying with the, you know, I understand there's a difficult line of like,
01:03:42.000are you really gonna read off a list of names of bad people?
01:03:46.000That's why I'm like, some people may have done bad things, but we will try to forgive as many as we can
01:03:52.000We'll try to inform them and say, hey, come to the side of the light, don't do it again, because here's the risks you face.
01:03:56.000But some of these people are just, I'm sorry, man, I know you don't agree, but I think some of these people are evil.
01:04:00.000You gotta live, you gotta forgive, but not forget.
01:04:03.000Those people lost their knife privileges, because if you really think that they're gonna turn around and knife you in the back, you take their knife away.
01:04:10.000I forgive you, but you don't get to use your knife right now.
01:04:13.000And like, if we could take everybody that got the last three years so catastrophically wrong who were in charge, can we not let them be in charge again next time?
01:04:23.000If there's no accountability, they'll keep doing it.
01:04:25.000But it's not worth getting... It's like if you're in a cycle of abuse, if you're abused, it's important for you to be able to forgive that person so you don't live in hatred because the hatred just kills you.
01:04:42.000I'm not angry with these people, I won't let myself get there, but I don't trust... I have less trust for the masses than I did before, that's for sure.
01:04:51.000I just think we need to establish counter-narratives before, ahead of time, like we talked about White Claw, whatever the hell it's called.
01:05:09.000It's kind of fun talking about like, what's the next big PSYOP?
01:05:12.000If we can talk about it now and ridicule it, by the time it comes around the bend, everyone's ready for it.
01:05:16.000That's the way to beat in the future, not like scream at them when they're already coming at you.
01:05:21.000I want to say this, because when I said this to Dickie before the show, he told me to say it on the show, and then he wrote it down.
01:05:28.000Because I said, if you want to really make a positive change, Buying the Defiant's new album is more effective than donating to a politician and voting.
01:05:52.000The Defiant ends up becoming a multi-platinum band, and you guys are the biggest thing ever.
01:05:57.000You know, Winning the lottery ticket levels of odds, like, are you gonna crack a synth-pop Billboard Hot 100 and beat Taylor Swift?
01:06:04.000I gotta be honest, I don't think so, but that level of success, sorry guys, but that level of success is trend-setting, sends a message to regular people that the path of success is in standing up for these values, being a good person, and not being on the wrong side of history or whatever they call it.
01:06:25.000The reason I'm so invested in building culture, like we're doing the skate show, I've been posting a ton of skate clips, is I want young people to look at the success and say I can be defiant and succeed like they did.
01:06:37.000If you guys don't succeed, kids are going to grow up believing I have to just toe the line otherwise I'm doomed.
01:06:43.000So while voting is important, the cultural arts and music and media that persists instructs the politics.
01:07:47.000Because the machine, the politics, is controlled.
01:07:49.000So even when Republicans win, and all these people are like, we're gonna vote Republican this time because Democrats are doing all these bad things, what happens?
01:07:57.000They expel the Republican because he's a liar, but not the Democrat who's literally committing crimes in the Capitol complex.
01:08:12.000When people are looking to the media, looking at influence, looking at who the big stars are... Who are people looking up to?
01:08:20.000It's going to be the people who are saying, screw that, that was wrong.
01:08:23.000And then, that will dictate the rest of how people are going to act.
01:08:27.000When all the big celebrities, TV shows, comedy shows, people like Kimmel, take the other side of it, People get scared that they don't want to be the other.
01:08:39.000They want to be part of the mainstream.
01:08:41.000So when the mainstream personalities are saying, do as you're told and take the medication regardless of what your doctor says, and YouTube allows people to do it, which is wild, then people are scared, like if I speak up, they'll come after me.
01:09:37.000If you're not into it, Put it on your playlist too.
01:09:40.000I guess if but no look if you're if you're not into it but you support ideologically then be an activist and put it on your playlist and and listen to it or even more so buy the album to make a statement.
01:09:51.000I prefer if you like the music you buy it and that's kind of why you're doing it but we just what I want to see is everyone is a good person.
01:09:59.000That's that's the second thing we disagree on I don't care if they like it or not I still just want.
01:10:08.000It shouldn't be that you guys are all good dudes who are sticking up for your friends or sticking up for yourselves or just following your doctor's advice and you get punished for it.
01:10:26.000I don't know if they had a show, but they do these culture jamming pranks and one of the things they did was on the anniversary of the Bhopal disaster, which was this big chemical spill that happened, I think it was in India, killed a lot of people.
01:10:41.000On the anniversary of it, or before the anniversary, they made a fake website that looked like a Dow Chemical website, which owns Union Carbide, the company involved.
01:10:51.000Made this fake website, and the BBC reached out to their fake website and asked them to send a representative to talk about it.
01:10:59.000Dude goes on the BBC and then declares, Dow Chemical will liquidate Union Carbide and use all of the revenue to pay the families and the victims of the Union- of the- of the- of the- of the Bhopal disaster.
01:11:35.000What activists pointed out was, when it became apparent to the public that Dow Chemical was doing the right thing in paying the victims of the disaster, their stock collapsed.
01:11:49.000People jumped ship and they lost money for doing the right thing.
01:11:53.000Turns out they weren't doing the right thing, they were doing the wrong thing and the stock rebounded.
01:11:56.000That's the sad reality of our culture and our system.
01:12:00.000So I'd prefer it if the defiant hit billboard number one double platinum overnight for whatever reasons and then we get to lord it over all the evil people and say maybe you should be good people and you'd get support as well.
01:12:12.000Instead it's just so So crummy sometimes when it looks like all the nasty people are successful and they're winning and they're making money and they're, you know, headlining these big shows.
01:12:21.000It's not always like that, but, you know.
01:13:58.000But yeah, I mean, that to me feels like music in general has gotten really safe over the last decade or so to where nobody's, I mean, especially now, everyone's afraid to say anything.
01:14:09.000So all the music is very bland, even the punk rock stuff is very Bland enough that we're kind of saying something, we're shaking our fists at the man, but we're not really saying something, but hopefully whatever you're going through you can take from this and think that the song is about you.
01:14:24.000It's bland enough to apply to everyone, but that's not taking a swing at anything.
01:14:28.000So I think for a band like us to come out and People's expectations might be, because of my situation or Dickie's situation or any of our situations, that all these are just going to be angry guys, you know, shaking their fists at this guy.
01:15:00.000I mean, it is still a musical style as well, but, you know, it doesn't necessarily have to be in that box, per se.
01:15:06.000So, we have this song that I mentioned earlier, the kids are alt-right by bad religion, and the response everybody basically gave was like, this song sounds like they're in support of white nationalism.
01:15:17.000And it's really weird that because they just said it was against it, then the left just agreed with them.
01:15:23.000Like, one of the lyrics is, if you're alone and feel downtrodden as an elixir for your ills, join the alt-right post-light and darkenment order.
01:15:30.000There's, um, everybody needs somebody, join the party, the kids are alt-right.
01:15:34.000Bad Religion's definitely not alt-right, if that helps you.
01:15:58.000They have a tendency to be somewhat sarcastic.
01:16:01.000I mean, you know, like in the recipe for hate, that record has a lot of that, you know, which a lot of people I remember in those days when that record came out.
01:16:10.000A lot of white supremacists took the lyrics of that song and were like, yeah, these guys are for us.
01:16:15.000And it was like, no, it's actually very sarcastic.
01:16:18.000A lot of the lyrics, you know... But that doesn't matter.
01:16:20.000If you write a song where it's like, join the party, and they're like, yes, please, you can claim it's sarcastic.
01:16:26.000But if the average person doesn't interpret it that way, and it's a mixed message, all you're doing is telling people to be white nationalists.
01:16:33.000Well, I think they're playing a character.
01:17:08.000I don't think we are, and I hope that talking about it changes it.
01:17:13.000The weirdest thing for me as a kid who grew up punk rock, for as long as I can remember, is that it was all about sort of being anti-government, anti-big business, always questioning big pharma, always being anti-war, anti-industrial, military-industrial complex.
01:17:36.000Free speech was a very big one too and all these things were very they also felt very left to I like that to me That's the biggest The most bizarre thing of this whole past few years is I'm literally the same person that I've always been same beliefs same Everything else, just the world around has become this.
01:18:48.000It's like the NAACP, while they were fighting against racism and fighting against segregation and everything else, they were also fighting for the right of a Klansman to be able to They have their First Amendment rights, you know what I mean?
01:19:05.000No, but the argument from the left is that... I'm a high school dropout, Tim, so I'm just gonna put that out there.
01:19:11.000The argument from the left is that if you were a traditional liberal in like 1955, ten years later after the passing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, you're like, I don't understand.
01:19:20.000I've been standing in the same spot, but the world changed around me.
01:19:22.000And so their argument is, yes, If you hold the same views you did 30 years ago, you are a conservative, because they are the left and the liberals, and you are the traditional right-wing position.
01:19:34.000Reality, though, conservative's an adjective, it's not a noun.
01:19:36.000So you are conservative, you are not a... there is no such thing as a... There is.
01:19:56.000You obviously want to conserve the First Amendment.
01:19:58.000It doesn't make you, uh, conservative, like, dude, you know, like, very wildly liberal, like, I want to liberate, I want to change the laws, too.
01:20:08.000Well, that's what maybe the internet tells you, but... Keep in mind everything Google tells you.
01:20:12.000Don't put yourself in a box unnecessarily.
01:20:14.000Ian, will you do your punk rock song again?
01:20:16.000Hey, I'm coming from the north and the south!
01:20:20.000But if you think back to what punk rock was all about and what it's always been all about, it's like, at the moment right now, I don't know what the percentage is, 70, 80% or more of all television advertising, the advertising that's taking place on YouTube, it's all pharma-based, right?
01:20:37.000It's like, this is what we've been trained for, you know what I mean?
01:20:40.000And we're funding I don't know how many wars at the moment, like this is what This is what we've trained for.
01:23:04.000Henry Kissinger, God rest his soul, just passed away at the age of 100, was like, we're gonna do it through war, and we're gonna do it through limited war, so we don't have to bomb Moscow if West Virginia gets hit.
01:23:17.000But I think they did us a great disservice.
01:23:18.000The other argument, though, is like, if you just sit tight and try and defend yourself and just have strong borders, that gives them an opportunity to develop a sneak attack.
01:23:25.000And you've got to, like, be looking outside and around for incoming potential threats.
01:23:31.000This goes around and around in my head.
01:23:33.000The military-industrial complex has 97 military bases all over Earth.
01:24:00.000And then they went through the forest yeah through the forest unexpectedly so like it's just sitting isolationism isn't the way because then that gives them a chance to build up their military for a sneak attack but I don't know I don't think that invading and conquering countries is necessarily necessary in order to You're just saying, like, maybe a couple preemptive nukes on their capitals?
01:24:20.000I don't know what to do, because the United States won't... Please tell me what he's saying.
01:24:27.000Basically, like, if you don't patrol your borders beyond your borders, like, if you just sit right behind the wall, someone's going to come over that wall.
01:24:34.000So you've got to go out there and, like, and that's what our military industrial complex is.
01:24:52.000Like, what if we sent intelligence assets and special agents to go offer up these leaders of these other countries bribes?
01:25:00.000If they don't take the bribes, then we try to remove them from power, and then when that doesn't work, we can send in these states, these coups, and have them dragged through the streets like, you know, like Gaddafi was.
01:25:12.000You know, maybe something like that, Ian?
01:26:23.000The reason why all the UFO stuff is coming out?
01:26:26.000Because what's actually happened is there's a galactic federation of planets.
01:26:29.000But the Earth can't join the galactic federation because there's no unified Earth government to represent Earth to the galactic federation.
01:26:35.000And so they came and the aliens were like, look dude, if you want Earth in the federation, you need a unified governing body to represent your planet.
01:27:07.000My perfect way forward would be that our culture is so badass that we establish such, everybody wants to learn English, everybody wants to dance like we dance and think like we think, that they start overthrowing their totalitarian governments and create statehood.
01:27:20.000You know, the problem is, though, half the country is like the parents from Footloose.
01:27:23.000We're trying to get everybody to dance, and they're saying, no dancing!
01:27:28.000Bill and Ted's excellent adventure was prophetic.
01:27:31.000Yeah, but you know what's kind of sad is like Bill and Ted's excellent adventure was amazing and then Bill and Ted's bogus journey was just a lot of fun.
01:28:22.000And then the 2000s happened, and it's kind of like, oh, kind of, for the first few years, maybe, like, long-sleeve shirts underneath short-sleeve shirts or something.
01:28:31.000And then it just fizzled out, and now it's just a spattering of... Especially film-wise, I would say.
01:28:37.000You know, my 14-year-old daughter loves 80s and 90s movies.
01:29:46.000No, like they've sent a bunch of spheres into orbit that were like four one-hundredths of an atom correct, and then had them drag through space-time to prove Einstein's theories that space-time is a tangible thing.
01:30:05.000But also cultural time is a different thing.
01:30:09.000We actually had this conversation earlier talking about, you know, There was a cultural change that was much more rapid from the 50s, 60s, 70s.
01:30:23.000Now, things don't really, like decade by decade, you know, musically and things like that, you're not seeing that drastic of a change between what was happening in the 50s, 60s.
01:30:34.000I mean, there was a massive change just in just a short amount of time.
01:30:38.000Now it almost, like, Time has slowed down culturally.
01:30:43.000And in terms of things changing and things progressing.
01:31:03.000And she's like, I don't even know what it is.
01:31:04.000And it's like, that's a band from the 90s.
01:31:06.000My point is, though, that and if if, you know, Nirvana was still around people would still be seeing Nirvana concerts, but I wasn't going to see the big bopper
01:31:34.00050s artists were not headlining festivals in the 1980s, where now the artists that are headlining festivals are from at least 40 years ago.
01:32:18.00040 years from when I played with the Misfits in 1982.
01:32:22.00040 years from that, it would be like... Back to the Future is a perfect example.
01:32:25.000You know, Back to the Future is like, it's a 30-year period, and you're just like, oh my god, look how different the world was in 1955 versus 1985.
01:32:28.000period. Oh my god look how different the world was in 1955 versus 1985. Like if you do that,
01:32:35.000you do that from 30 years now, it would not look that much different. You think the cultural shifts
01:32:39.000that were happening, those drastic changes in decade to decade, was because the mass media
01:32:43.000was like forcing us to see it a certain way? No.
01:32:46.000No, I think the lack of interconnection actually pushes things forward.
01:32:51.000Because then people are going, oh, what's going on over there?
01:33:26.000Yeah, he did the thing where you record all the phonetic permutations.
01:33:31.000But we're also at a point where, and 30 Rock predicted this one, where Jack Donaghy, played by Alec Baldwin, is like, we have the rights to Jerry Seinfeld's voice from Seinfeld, so we can just take all the recordings and then mash his lines and make a new show.
01:34:20.000We let Jordan Peterson say stuff, and you can just make anybody say anything you want these days.
01:34:25.000It's crazy though, because a lot of these Hollywood contracts will be like, we own your likeness in perpetuity across all universes in every venue, and it's like Chris Hemsworth, I don't know if he signed that when he did Thor, but to think that Disney could do a deepfake of Chris Hemsworth saying and doing whatever they want him to do is like a human rights violation.
01:34:42.000If that guy didn't give, like he signed some contract before deepfake technology existed, Of all the human right violations that are going to take place going forward, that's going to be the one I'm least concerned about.
01:36:12.000We, uh, I want to be totally dishonest.
01:36:15.000You know, we did buy tickets, but with Alex here, we wanted them, we got, we filmed a commercial for Casper, so, and then with soundcheck and production, we were just up here all night.
01:36:23.000We weren't able to actually go see The Shift yet.
01:49:22.000I've gone to so many places Now she can't be found
01:49:26.000Lost desperate cases Just love while proud
01:49:30.000And where do you go when you're Dagged and you're bound?
01:49:33.000Good day, we say good day and we'll see you around The locks, they were locked and the latches were latched on the cage and the cuffs and the casket.
01:55:31.000We can't stay here, they're midnight clear, and it's time we say goodnight.
01:55:42.000You don't want this to end You don't know when we'll be back this way again Give them our regards and let them know there's no regrets You know you don't want to let it go just yet.
02:05:32.000What we're trying to bring back is buying singles and albums because they're more powerful than streams.
02:05:38.000So if we, when we put out our songs, we asked everybody just buy the 69 cent version of the song instead of just adding it to your playlist.
02:05:48.000Most people that listen to music don't actually care about the bands.
02:05:52.000They're like, I'll turn on my app and then press play on the radio app or whatever.
02:05:56.000And then in order to actually get to a chart or whatever, you need millions of streams.
02:06:02.000Whereas you only need like 10,000 purchases of a song to actually get that high as well.
02:06:08.000So are you going to convince 10 million people to listen to the song one time?
02:06:11.000Or are you going to convince 10,000 people to buy the song and have it in their collection forever?
02:06:16.000That has a bigger cultural impact and it's only 69 cents.
02:06:19.000So buying the album, buying the song, if everybody who cared about winning the culture war bought their music, the only music that would be succeeding are the bands that actually asked their fans to buy music.
02:06:29.000You'd knock out some of these big, you know, mainstream pop artists really quickly.
02:06:55.000Well, I do want to grab just a few more Super Chats from everybody before we dip out, just to try and squeeze those in and, you know, read some of the questions and stuff that people have brought in.
02:07:06.000So I'll try and see if we can get any of the good ones Everybody loves me!
02:08:16.000And look, I do tremendous gratitude for you guys coming down, being our first ever attempt at a live show on stream, so we're gonna tweak it, we're gonna improve the best we can, so I really do appreciate you guys coming.
02:08:30.000Yeah, you get to the new place, we can do a rock version.
02:08:33.000The new place, we have like a pro company setting.
02:08:36.000We have like a big company coming and doing all this crazy stuff, whereas this studio is basically, we duct taped the whole thing together.
02:09:59.000I wouldn't, this is not your normal kind of house, because it was, I guess they duct taped a bunch of different modular structures together to make it.
02:10:11.000Yo, yo, when you come here, there's a window on the top of the building, and it took us like several months to be like, wait, where's that window?
02:10:20.000And then we went upstairs and there's a wall there, and there's no room, and then eventually we punched a hole in the wall, And there's a secret room!
02:12:40.000We're actually going to start booking more musical guests.
02:12:42.000So, you know, we definitely want to reach out to Five Times August because he was here last time and we had this set up and we didn't even think twice he was on Pop Culture Crisis.
02:12:49.000And I was like, bro, we should have had him come up and jam.
02:12:52.000But then also, of course, we have music, and we've got a new music video coming out in two weeks.