Fox News has filed a copyright strike against us for fact checking the 2020 Republican presidential primary debates. We discuss the implications of this move, and how it could have a major impact on our ability to fact check the 2020 election.
00:01:09.000And they've also done this to David Pakman a couple weeks ago.
00:01:12.000Two weeks ago now, David Pakman had his video hit by a copyright strike.
00:01:16.000I believe this is an egregious abuse of the system.
00:01:20.000I believe that what we did was absolutely fair use in any logical respect.
00:01:25.000And the idea that Fox News thinks that they should have a monopoly on people trying to be the president, more importantly, Our fact-checking and commenting on what these individuals are saying in real time, they're arguing no one should be allowed to do that.
00:01:51.000If we do this again, if we dare try to fact-check any of the Republican candidates, the second strike has serious implications and would shut this show down on YouTube for three months.
00:02:03.000So, we'll talk more about that, but this is a major development which I believe has the potential to go to the Supreme Court.
00:02:11.000We'll talk all about that, because this is a huge story as we enter 2024.
00:02:16.000This is going to have a massive impact on how special interests can manipulate the election by selectively choosing who can and can't comment on and fact-check presidential debates.
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00:03:58.000Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Lauren Witzke.
00:04:08.000I am currently the executive producer for the Stu Peters Network.
00:04:12.000I was the Republican nominee for United States Senate back in 2020, and I'm the producer behind the movie Died Suddenly and Watch the Water.
00:05:01.000So, we're gonna have music Friday nights.
00:05:03.000We did this a while ago, and it was more just, like, we would just jam on acoustic, but now the idea is when we can, if we can, we'll have musical guests.
00:05:12.000So, we're hoping that Friday we'll get... There's a lot of really awesome You know, popular prominent musicians who are starting to get very political.
00:05:20.000And so we're looking forward to having them come and hang out with us.
00:05:22.000Obviously, Phil Labonte is on the show.
00:05:23.000He's currently out of town working on his new album, I believe.
00:05:27.000But we're hoping to have him and whoever else come and play some songs for us.
00:07:35.000Because when Donald Trump We tried to get the G7 at Trump Doral, arguing that he would do it at cost with no profit.
00:07:43.000Everyone on the left, and even me, we all said, no, it's still a direct payment which benefits Trump's companies.
00:07:51.000This right here is still a direct payment benefiting his brother who is engaged in these shady business dealings.
00:07:58.000I think at the bare minimum shows his brother's involved.
00:08:00.000Now, the worst case scenario, of course, is Joe's getting paid off.
00:08:04.000Now, when you look at the hard evidence, and you can see 10% for the big guy and all that, I think it is clear now, you connect the dots, this is circumstantial evidence that when they said 10% for the big guy, when they were talking about paying Joe Biden, a loan repayment, could this be what Hunter was talking about when he said his dad takes half his salary?
00:08:23.000Could this be the fee paid to Joe, a loan for his name?
00:08:29.000Now, what actually is pointed out in the article is that the reason... So what happens is AmeriCorps gives James Biden a loan.
00:08:36.000James then, that day, writes a $200,000 check to Joe, which looks like money laundering.
00:08:42.000And it says loan repayment on the check.
00:08:45.000Which is, there's no way to know as yet if Biden had actually given his brother a loan.
00:08:52.000So, James Comer wants to know whether Biden has the documents to prove that he had lent $200,000 to his brother, whether he had similar arrangements with other family members.
00:09:02.000And Marjorie Taylor Greene said exactly what you said, Carter, that it's a classic example of money laundering.
00:09:07.000I mean, yeah, I didn't want to overstep with that, but it looks exactly like that.
00:09:16.000It might not be, but when AmeriCorps was failing, and apparently out of business but still had money in the coffers, writes a check for $200,000 to James, who then instantly, that day, writes $200,000 for Biden, it looks like AmeriCorps is giving Biden money.
00:09:34.000And also the other thing too is if it's not a loan repayment.
00:09:38.000We have the situation where Donald Trump is being tried in New York by Alvin Bragg on what is it like 37 counts of falsification of business records.
00:09:47.000So could this perhaps be if if Biden didn't give his brother a loan then this is the falsification of a business record.
00:09:54.000Did it go down in his taxes as a loan repayment?
00:10:54.000And we, you know, we are humble followers of those laws.
00:10:57.000So, man, you know, it really breaks my heart to say this, but we're gonna have to arrest Joe Biden and, you know, he's gonna have to go to jail.
00:11:04.000Well, I would love to see the Department of Justice actually do that.
00:12:31.000You know, but also he had a lot of Backdoor stuff going on between like Northern Delaware and Southern Delaware and like paying off politicians for bridges and road repairs and stuff like that.
00:12:46.000So there was a lot of like even corruption back then.
00:12:49.000I wouldn't say he was a man of character.
00:12:51.000Um, based on what I know of him, but the Bidens, like, I saw what he did to my, the Bidens did to my state.
00:12:59.000It's almost unlivable now in some parts.
00:13:01.000And yeah, and I'm watching him do it to America.
00:13:17.000But I've got the picture right here, so if you take a look, the argument is that the writing for 200,000 and zero, you know, 100, and loan repayment are different.
00:14:15.000The repayment is written with a slight angle to the right, meaning at the very least, if they wrote $200,000, they shifted the check as they wrote again, giving it a rightward angle to their handwriting.
00:14:25.000But anyway, if that were true, and I'm sure there are handwriting experts who can either just bunk or debunk it, then the implication being made here, and I don't know if that has any merit, the implication is that when Joe received the check, he wrote loan repayment on it himself.
00:15:01.000They're gonna say, look, it's his brother lent his money, his brother some money, that's all it is.
00:15:05.000I think that a lot of this stuff, I mean, I think that what keeps happening is that the House GOP has the goods on Joe Biden, and it's just not going to go anywhere.
00:15:15.000No matter how much, no matter, even though they have the majority, they don't really have any power at this point in Congress.
00:15:22.000The Democrats have a lot of power to, you know, they went along with Matt Gaetz, you know, in the ousting of McCarthy.
00:15:30.000Whether you like that or not, you know that they did that That was a the Democrats had all the power there over the majority of the GOP Which was my main concern about the ousting of McCarthy was like it just sort of gives up the GOP power What what was there?
00:15:46.000Well, even when they didn't have that much anyway, yeah, I mean that's sort of we don't use it We don't wield our political power ever.
00:15:52.000We're well known for being like the losers They can't raise money if they're like if they're winning, you know, that's that's the thing we say we It's like, no, no, no, no, like the, the neocon shill establishment Republicans are not us, are not you.
00:16:07.000They're, they're, the reason they don't wield their, they wield their power against you.
00:16:29.000But that's the concern, is that we're not going to get anything out of this, no matter how many smoking guns they bring, no matter how much direct evidence of bribery there is.
00:16:38.000We're not going to see accountability from the Biden family.
00:17:22.000It's like, we were talking the other night about when he does give speeches, when he gives big speeches, it's like, it almost seems like he's a different man than when he's just off the cuff.
00:18:36.000But the concern is Kamala Harris is second in line, and she is the most disliked Candidate most disliked politician probably in American history.
00:19:22.000Wouldn't that be an issue in and of itself?
00:19:24.000If you put like Gavin Newsom or something running as VP with Biden, people would vote for that.
00:19:29.000She would need, like, for her to go along with that, she would need some exit strategy that gives her a better position than vice president.
00:19:38.000And I feel like she'd have to make that decision by herself, too.
00:19:42.000And be like, you know, one of those, I want to spend more time with my family.
00:19:46.000Even though she barely has a family at all.
00:20:50.000Combine those things and I think that immediately This is a matter of our democracy, as they like to say, right?
00:20:59.000So the argument would be that Fox News can host presidential candidates who can say things that only they are allowed to filter to the American public, and no one else is allowed to fact-check what they are saying.
00:21:12.000Now, their argument is you can fact check them, but you can't just show what they've said in real time.
00:21:19.000That would mean that everyone has to watch only their interpretation, and it creates a circumstance in which they can selectively choose to take down only specific commentary.
00:21:29.000It would be impossible to take down everyone who's providing commentary, which means there will always be the argument that, oh, but, you know, they infringed on our copyright, so we took them down.
00:22:12.000But if this is allowed to stand, what happens is, you have Democrat and Republican.
00:22:17.000The Democrats run criticism of the GOP.
00:22:20.000And let's say Democrat personalities and Republican personalities are commenting and criticizing, and then large institutions, whoever it may be, can choose to only strike certain channels.
00:22:32.000The people who are not given a strike can't sue, and the people who are given a strike don't have standing in court to argue, oh, but look, they're not being taken down, because the argument is, okay, well, we'll go take them down next.
00:22:43.000You would have that argument, you could say, they're doing this selectively, but the situation it creates is, the only person with the power is the institution controlling the debates, no one can fact check or comment on it, and they can control who's allowed to fact check and comment on it.
00:23:47.000But knowing that David did, I immediately saw this video.
00:23:50.000When I started doing my search of this, and David also received a strike, so we'll see what happens over the next week or so, I don't know.
00:23:58.000I would be shocked if Fox News actually tries to pursue lawsuits against a combined 50 million subscribers across the board, arguing that they are the only ones allowed To have commentary.
00:24:14.000I will further add, in my view, and probably if there was going to be a suit, you know, my lawyers would be like, stop saying all this stuff.
00:25:01.000And this is why, you know, initially we didn't even want to do the coverage of it because it's stupid because the lesser known Republican candidates, Trump is going to win.
00:25:10.000And so we decided to simply because, you know, ultimately there's several things.
00:25:15.000One, people really wanted to hear us fact check and comment on what they were saying.
00:25:20.000And so they were like, look, they didn't care what was being shown in the debates.
00:25:39.000I can respect, to a certain degree, an argument made by Fox, but I think it's a bad argument that loses, because in order for us to have our institutions, our constitutional republic with democratic institutions, there must be a robust public debate on our political candidates, and they do not have the argument that they own the monopoly on the political debate.
00:26:03.000If their show was simply truckers arguing truck driving, totally get it.
00:26:08.000But these people want to be president, and Fox is telling me I have no right to fact check them in real time?
00:26:16.000No, they even went to the extent where you said that they had a choice where they could just take the video down or actually like punish you with a strike and they chose to punish you with a strike.
00:26:26.000So that just kind of goes to show that it was, you know, kind of a weaponized attempt to take a stab at Tim Pool from Well, it's not just me.
00:26:35.000I mean, it's a bunch of people who got strikes.
00:26:37.000They're going after everybody, is my understanding.
00:26:42.000I do have some questions, because I can say they didn't go after everyone just yet.
00:26:47.000So I say just yet, but that's the point.
00:26:49.000If Fox News is selectively taking down only some, then the argument would be they are creating an environment where any institution that is hosting a debate can choose who's allowed to comment on the debate.
00:28:14.000My argument is They want to create a world where they are the funnel of information on public discourse.
00:28:22.000We have these things called anti-SLAPP laws.
00:28:25.000SLAPP means Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation.
00:28:29.000There are many states, probably half the country, where if I said, David Pakman is a leftist communist or whatever, insult him in some way.
00:28:40.000Then he can't sue me for several reasons.
00:28:43.000It's not just the higher standards, right?
00:28:46.000You could actually, because David Pakman is a public figure, accuse him of doing a backflip and landing in the mud.
00:28:53.000And let's argue that for some reason it's disparaging.
00:28:56.000I'm not trying to disparage David, I'm just using it as an example because we pulled this channel up.
00:29:00.000Anti-SLAPP laws basically shut the lawsuit down instantly arguing that my accusations against them are public participation.
00:29:08.000That we are public figures having a debate in public and we are allowed to.
00:29:11.000And so you have what's called Times v. Sullivan.
00:29:14.000That's where if I said someone is a... If I said Carter Banks kicked a dog.
00:29:23.000It's crazy, because the actual malice standard, based on the precedent of what's called Time v. Sullivan, he would have to prove I intentionally lied, knowing beforehand he did not kick a dog.
00:29:34.000Which is almost impossible, because you'd have to get past summary judgment, get to discovery, know where to find the statements, and hope they are.
00:29:45.000Let's say, I know for a fact that Carter behind the scenes was going, I'm gonna lie about Tim Pool and claim he kicked a dog."
00:29:51.000And then I'm like, I know he did it. I heard him say it.
00:29:57.000Now you get that that's that's that's times if V Sullivan, most people are familiar with that.
00:30:01.000That's how the left is able to call everyone Nazis and white supremacists.
00:30:05.000They call Laura Loomer a white nationalist over Jimmy Kimmel just did.
00:30:08.000I mean, that may be defamation per se.
00:30:10.000I think she should sue, because she doesn't need to prove damages in that case.
00:30:12.000Defamation per se is when you're accusing someone of something so egregious that it, in and of itself, is damaging.
00:30:19.000Anti-SLAPP would then be, if I claim Jimmy Kibble kicked a dog, and he sued me over that, then it'd probably get thrown out instantly over anti-SLAPP.
00:30:28.000There are a lot of states that are just like, nope, you can't.
00:30:31.000He's talking about public stuff that's going on.
00:30:33.000When I look at this, I see something very similar.
00:30:36.000I think this needs to be handled by the Supreme Court.
00:31:32.000I think they're going to cave, they're going to back down, and they're going to accept it.
00:31:35.000Because if Fox News does sue, this will go to the Supreme Court, and they will lose.
00:31:41.000And then it becomes precedent in law, and they'll never have a leg to stand on again.
00:31:44.000I think that needs to happen, frankly.
00:31:47.000I think it needs to be at the Supreme Court level.
00:31:49.000So there's only two ways that can happen.
00:31:52.000The first is that Fox News files a full-fledged lawsuit against the people who commented.
00:32:00.000I'm willing to bet they won't do it because they know it opens the door to defeat and it opens the door to them never having any ability to make an argument on proprietary rights again.
00:32:10.000The other way would be if they overstep their bounds and file multiple strikes against a single individual, giving them damages and standing to a massive degree, which results in a lawsuit being filed against them.
00:32:34.000The best thing for Fox to do is certainly not this.
00:32:38.000I would argue the best, the smartest thing Fox could do was actually try and negotiate with anyone who wants to do any kind of commentary some rights or distribution or some monetization package.
00:32:58.000We have a right to call out politicians who are trying to be president and Fox News should not have the unilateral control over that.
00:33:08.000It's one thing if the argument was we should have public cameras in those debates and Fox News shouldn't be allowed to have proprietary stream of these things.
00:33:15.000My argument is, our show was not a substitute.
00:33:18.000We were talking over the politicians half the time, you could barely hear what they were saying, we didn't even have the stream on their channel the whole time, and we were actively fact-checking and commenting.
00:33:57.000I don't know if Fox News wants to handle another one of these lawsuits, and I don't know if they can handle a lawsuit from 15 multi-millionaire industry network individuals.
00:34:07.000I mean, this is an insane thing they're trying to do right now.
00:34:09.000I think also there's like a free speech consideration.
00:34:13.000You know, we have the right to comment and discuss those who are running for president, and we certainly have the right to do that in real time.
00:34:59.000But what they're doing now is, I didn't charge any money for anyone to come and watch the show.
00:35:03.000The show was just us commenting on the news.
00:35:05.000So that means all of these venues that are playing the debate and talking to people about it, they're going to argue that's copyright infringement?
00:35:13.000Right, or like, you know, when you show movies, you're not supposed to show movies publicly.
00:35:18.000And they always put that thing at the beginning, like, this is not for public distribution.
00:35:22.000But that's totally different because that is an entertainment.
00:35:28.000That is an entertainment that was created by whatever, you know, studio or entity makes the entertainment.
00:35:34.000A presidential debate is not an entertainment.
00:35:38.000It's something that voters, in a lot of ways, voters demand because we want to know what our, you know, wannabe elected leaders... Because they're the voters.
00:36:15.000What people need to understand is fair use is copyright infringement, but it has an exception in the law.
00:36:22.000So typically what happens, because I've dealt with this quite a bit, is that When you infringe on someone, so when you engage in what you believe is fair use, you have infringed a copyright, the argument is then, will a judge agree that this is in the public interest in some way?
00:36:37.000And we know that the typical grounds for fair use, they're not absolute.
00:36:43.000So one thing people often like to say is the length of the content.
00:37:51.000The issue here, a lot of people make these arguments, we're talking about people who want to be president, who are live, real time, lying, misrepresenting facts, and saying things that need to be fact-checked by journalists.
00:38:08.000It is no longer a world where, you know, we didn't sneak a camera into Fox News and broadcast it.
00:38:13.000That's essentially their argument is predicated upon an old school era where someone recaptures their stream and reposts it, whereas we were actually engaging in public discourse.
00:38:24.000That's something that's going on in a lot of law right now.
00:38:26.000Like we just saw this Douglas Mackey case, Ricky Vaughn from 2016, and he had posted memes leading up to the 2016 election, joking around that Hillary Clinton voters should text their vote for Hillary Clinton.
00:38:42.000And the joke, of course, it's basically a political cartoon, right?
00:38:44.000Which is a point that Jack Posobiec and Gavin Wax were making the other day on Jack's show.
00:38:53.000And the idea is that he was making the joke that Hillary Clinton voters aren't smart enough to know whether or not they could vote by text message.
00:39:04.000Now, of course, as it turns out, in the trial against him, it turned out that the Department of Justice could not prove that anyone was harmed at all by this joke.
00:39:19.000Because as a result of this meme that he posted, yet the Department of Justice and the FBI investigated the meme, which was like, vote for Hillary Clinton by text, you know.
00:39:28.000It was like, it was like, vote from home, text here.
00:39:46.000Every time we've covered it at Post Millennial, we document and a Democrat did the exact same thing, saying that Trump voters should vote by text message.
00:40:58.000The Department of Justice claimed that it was an ad and didn't acknowledge that it was a meme, accused him of conspiracy against rights, which is of course what Donald Trump is being accused of by the DOJ right now over January 6th.
00:41:12.000He was convicted of essentially election interference and he's supposed to spend seven months in prison over this.
00:41:20.000We actually got a message from a fact checker today being like, can you provide any evidence for your claim that he's being sentenced to seven months in prison over a meme?
00:41:30.000And it's like, why, yes, we can provide all of the documentation that we have, as well as the Department of Justice.
00:41:36.000A press release about the conviction in the first place that says he posted this ad and it was investigated by the FBI.
00:41:44.000It's absolutely insane, but it's another First Amendment rights issue.
00:41:48.000And we have had so many of these recently.
00:41:51.000We see in the cases against Donald Trump where he's being slapped with gag orders.
00:41:56.000He's not allowed to speak publicly about various elements of the case.
00:42:00.000And it's basically because the prosecutors don't like getting made fun of on Truth Social That's the issue.
00:42:18.000But does it say they didn't even file a complaint until 2021?
00:42:23.000So they waited until after 2020 to go after him, like after the whole election stuff that went on with Trump.
00:42:29.000Oh, for something it didn't even affect the 2016 election for the 22 or the 2020 election, which is interesting, which is dangerous to which means they're hunting people down from the old school Trump era, people that helped Trump get elected the first time they're going after them.
00:42:44.000Even now, so like out of pardon territory.
00:42:51.000Yeah, it was USA Today that reached out to us.
00:42:53.000But what, let's see, when did they do it?
00:42:57.000They just, they just spoke about the sentencing.
00:43:00.000And they said that, they said, as proven at trial by 2016, Mackey had established an audience on Twitter with approximately 58,000 followers.
00:43:11.000A February 2016 analysis by the IT Media Lab ranked Mackey as one of the most significant influencers on the then upcoming presidential election.
00:43:20.000So they were using that against him, like the fact that he had a platform, the fact that he had a lot of followers.
00:43:25.000But his platform followers follow him because he makes memes probably.
00:43:51.000What they said, For example, on November 1st, 2016, in or around the same time that Mackey was sending tweets suggesting the importance of limiting black turnout, so they're using a racial thing, the defendant tweeted an image depicting an African-American woman standing in front of an African-Americans for Hillary sign.
00:44:10.000The ad stated, avoid the line, vote from home.
00:44:13.000And they say that that's deceptive and they're using that racial thing as though that like somehow makes it worse.
00:44:19.000It's got like a different argument than the one that they're trying to use.
00:45:29.000It was with Dr. Robert Epstein and Robert Bose.
00:45:32.000And we were discussing, mostly it was Dr. Epstein discussing what Google does, and you gotta watch it, two hours of him breaking down how Google's cheating.
00:46:19.000On the day of, Republicans get, don't forget to go buy pizza and wings today!
00:46:24.000Don't miss out on the new, uh, imagine this, it's election day, and you wake up in the morning, you're like, am I forgetting something?
00:46:30.000And you look at your phone, and you're a Trump supporter, and it says, major discount at wings, you know, wings store, and huge party available, get, you know, 10 cent wings today!
00:47:04.000And between that and the intensive suppression that there was in 2020 of anything that would indicate Joe Biden was a giant liar with a history of family corruption, you know.
00:47:16.000Okay, so they were putting ads on social media, like reminding Democrats to go out and vote?
00:47:32.000It was like, yeah, I guess you're right, but they were targeting mostly Democrats.
00:47:36.000Well, what he was saying is that, I don't know which platform he mentioned did this, but he said Democrats, 100% of the Democrats in their study got notifications to go vote, and only 59% of Republicans did.
00:47:49.000And then there's, of course, the information manipulation, which everyone is mostly focused on, but you got to understand how simple it is.
00:47:56.000Now, the interesting thing is, he said, When Ted Cruz filed a letter, basically calling, I think, calling Google out for this, he said, we watched in Georgia, the mechanism by which the bias is created, turn off.
00:48:11.000They're tracking what he said were ephemeral, what they call ephemeral experiences.
00:48:39.000No, but yeah, I remember realizing how crazy it is that my Google search results for the exact same search terms were different than somebody else's.
00:48:47.000And they'll be different for you the next time you do it.
00:49:31.000So what he started doing, what they do now is, they have a whole bunch of volunteers, tens of thousands I think, twelve thousand or whatever, and they actually track all the searches and everything everyone's seeing, and they've actually created a database proving the bias, and tracking it in real time.
00:49:46.000So when Ted Cruz sent this letter, he watched the lopsidedness of Democrats being given positive information, Republicans being, you know, negative information.
00:49:53.000Then Ted Cruz sends a letter and it's gone.
00:49:56.000And I think Zach Voorhees, a whistleblower who came out to Veritas, made a similar argument.
00:50:03.000Made a similar argument that Google can turn it off and on and manipulate elections and all that.
00:50:10.000It'll be interesting to see what happens.
00:50:13.000They pick what goes at the top, and you can't tell me they don't, because... What's really weird, too, is Douglas Murray's Madness of Crowds has a whole chapter about how when you type in, like, married couple, it will show you, like, two men and a baby or something weird or different.
00:51:13.000We have to continue to start like a hostile takeover of these tech companies.
00:51:18.000Well, or the parallel economy, which I think is so great, you know, to see alternative ways like, you know, the company that Tim was just highlighting at the top, the cool wood products.
00:51:30.000Don't buy them from Ikea, buy them from this guy, you know?
00:51:35.000I was recently, so I travel a lot for work and I was walking down the Whatever you call it, the jetway to get onto the plane, and you're standing there waiting to get on the plane, and it's just all advertisements of, you know, why our airline is the best one.
00:51:51.000And there was an interracial couple, there was a gay couple, there were like all of these, everyone who was in it was sort of like alternative to what you would traditionally have seen, like the more stereotypical thing.
00:52:06.000And I was like, it's just so obviously intentionally done, you know, these changes that are being made to affect our impression.
00:52:16.000And I think that it's true, like I saw this recently, it was like most of these ads are geared toward middle-aged white women.
00:52:29.000The general marketing idea that we, so you'll see a lot of these commercials where it's an interracial couple with mixed race kids.
00:52:37.000And there's a lot of people who think it's a conspiracy to like get white people to stop having kids or something or to, you know, mixed race date or something like that.
00:53:36.000But that was a lot of the mentality of these marketing firms was like, how can we minimize the cost of production and maximize our reach?
00:53:45.000They thought white liberals are gonna eat this stuff up and it'll play really well in minority communities because, you know, interracial couples.
00:53:53.000And it's like, bro, interracial people are like 3% of this country.
00:53:57.000You have just dramatically removed yourself from what people would relate to.
00:55:04.000As someone who has a marketing degree and went through a big school in the United States, most people that are in marketing are there because their dad told them to or they just don't know what they're doing in school.
00:55:13.000They're not really in it for the thing.
00:55:15.000Victoria's Secret reverts and goes back to sexy women, realizing that, okay, that didn't work.
00:55:20.000And I think we'll see a lot of the same thing in advertisements.
00:55:22.000They're gonna say, okay, you know, like, look, this area in this city is 90% white, and we're trying to sell them a product.
00:55:32.000We want them to think, that's me, and I should use that product.
00:55:35.000So if you create an experience to them that is more foreign, figuratively and literally, then that's not resonating with them.
00:59:21.000So when you see men in movies and they're looking all ripped and their veins are bulging and they have muscles and they're like grr, they don't drink water for two days.
00:59:30.000Because I would much rather have a hydrated puffy guy.
00:59:34.000Yep, and then you'll see like, it looks like love handles, but it's thick skin and they have some fat on their body, but to get in shape for the movie they eat Ridiculous amounts of fish and chicken all day every day work out relentlessly and then dehydrate right before they film the scene.
00:59:52.000The reason we go to those extremes is because you're trying to create something beyond the normal, something aspirational.
00:59:58.000That looks like a heroic, very, very strong man.
01:00:01.000I imagine it's similar in a certain way for women with like Victoria's Secret and these other companies.
01:00:06.000They say, we all know that men and women find that beautiful and we want to be as beautiful as we can be so we want to be like them.
01:00:14.000That's why I think the sales drop when they put morbidly obese women.
01:00:17.000Cause like, well there's a bunch of fat women.
01:00:33.000And also, I think, like, for example, with Victoria's Secret, like, guys buy stuff for their, like, wives and girlfriends and stuff like that.
01:00:51.000The guy walks to the mall, and he's like, I want to, like, my wife, you know, I want to get her something nice, and they're like, take a look at this, and there's, like, a 300-pound morbidly obese mannequin, and they're just like, she would take this as an insult.
01:01:03.000Let's talk about this story here from the Daily Mail.
01:01:06.000Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones must still pay $1 billion in damages to San Diego families and can't hide behind his bankruptcy protection judge rules.
01:01:46.000It's all going to start happening by whatever means.
01:01:48.000This is different from, you know, Fox.
01:01:50.000The thing about Fox News and the strike, I think this is just something that needs to be, the precedent has not been set on a new technology and a change in how the public operates.
01:03:39.000Alex Jones never said anything that stated, oh yeah, I knew it wasn't true, and I said it anyway.
01:03:44.000So it really is just a continued weaponization of the justice system to shut down all dissent.
01:03:50.000To shut down digital media because they're coming for you next because cable television is dying and digital is the future and anybody who has a name for themselves or make some really good points or actually does some damage on culture, taking back the culture, they're going to try and come for you.
01:04:07.000So you have to, you know, and honestly, apologizing to they come after you when you start apologizing
01:04:14.000they smell blood never apologize never they have smell blood and they will
01:04:18.000take you all the way down. That's your whole struggle session thing. Don't
01:04:20.000apologize in a struggle session. Yep. Just sit there and take it and leave. That's true. That's it. Why
01:04:26.000did they say that he can't file for bankruptcy and protect himself that way? I mean I assume
01:04:31.000the reason is arbitrary Quote, the families are pleased with the court ruling that Jones's malicious conduct will find no safe harbor in the bankruptcy court, said Christopher Mattei, a Connecticut lawyer.
01:04:40.000As a result, Jones will continue to be accountable for his actions.
01:05:06.000If it was really about recovering damages, they'd say bankruptcy must protect Alex Jones, and then we will garnish whatever wages and profit he would get off his show.
01:06:11.000I know that different states have different, you know, standards on how much you can sue a person for.
01:06:17.000So like in the state of Connecticut, like even though it was in Connecticut, in some places like they couldn't sue him for more than a certain amount legally.
01:06:25.000So I don't know if this still applies to that or if that just overrules all of that.
01:06:53.000Well, no, they're saying we thought he wouldn't pay because of the bankruptcy, so we want the judge to say he can't use bankruptcy, and the judge said, okay.
01:08:17.000Jones never actually got to argue any of his case.
01:08:21.000That does not seem... How did we get to that point, though?
01:08:25.000I mean, look, people keep saying, oh, you know, civil war is a stupid thing to say.
01:08:30.000And it's like, dude, it's not just that Trump has been indicted on like 91 or 94 counts.
01:08:35.000It's not just that they've arrested his lawyers.
01:08:37.000It's not just that a couple of his lawyers have just been sentenced to five and six years of probation for being his lawyers.
01:08:45.000It's not just that they're going after Alex Jones in what is clearly going to destroy a media outlet, and that he got no trial for it.
01:08:53.000It's not just that Donald Trump was found in a summary judgment to have committed fraud without a trial in New York.
01:09:00.000It's not just that a judge said Donald Trump's properties are worth a fraction of what they're actually worth, even to the protest of finance experts and real estate experts.
01:09:11.000It is not just That they have been targeting Trump supporters, J6ers, solitary confinement.
01:09:18.000It's not just that far leftists have received no penalty for the hundreds who stormed the Capitol recently.
01:09:38.000No, I'm just saying there is so much evidence that the machine is trying to crush and destroy you for political reasons.
01:09:46.000To argue that we are not entering one of the most dangerous times in this country's history is ludicrous, and you'd have to forget every yesterday to believe we are not headed towards something truly dark.
01:10:00.000Now, I kind of don't think we're losing, to be completely honest, like I said.
01:10:03.000There's a lot of reasons to think that we are winning.
01:10:04.000But the desperation is becoming palpable, and I don't know to what degree this goes.
01:10:09.000It may just be Trump wins, and then, oh, there we go.
01:10:12.000But you guys, watch the Culture War episode we did this morning.
01:10:16.000With Dr. Robert Epstein, as he breaks down the machine of Google, Facebook, Big Tech, and how they are controlling what you think, and they know everything about what you're doing.
01:10:27.000Facebook can predict if you're going to quit your job.
01:10:29.000Facebook can predict if you're going to go have a bite to eat.
01:10:32.000Facebook knows what restaurant you're going to before you even know.
01:10:35.000Because the algorithms, the AI, it knows all of the characteristics about you and then it can formulate these probabilities and know exactly what you're going to do.
01:10:43.000That's why when you'll be, you could be thinking something and then you see an ad for it and you didn't say it out loud and you didn't say anything to anybody.
01:10:51.000I hate when that happens and it's freaky.
01:10:53.000People think that the reason an ad will appear on Instagram, like you're talking with your buddy and you're like, you know, I kind of think I need a TV.
01:11:00.000And then an ad appears like, get a new TV.
01:11:11.000And if you have voice activation on your phone, your phone is recording everything you say, always.
01:11:19.000Because in order to activate, it has to be listening to you, right?
01:11:23.000And if you want your phone to activate whenever you say your passphrase, then it has to be listening all the time, waiting for that passphrase.
01:11:32.000Voice tech works by taking your voice, sending it off to a private company, translating that audio file into a text file, sending it back to your device, and then inputting that as a command.
01:11:45.000Several famous stories where there was a murder, and an Amazon device recorded the entire murder, and they were like, we have the recording, and people were like, how?
01:11:55.000In order to activate the Amazon device, it must be always recording.
01:12:00.000Otherwise, how does it know when you say those words?
01:12:03.000It's like arguing that you plug your ears and put on headphones so you can't hear anything, but as soon as someone says your name, you'll take them off.
01:12:13.000Well, how are you going to hear them say your name if you're wearing earmuffs?
01:12:16.000That's the same thing with these Amazon and Google devices.
01:12:46.000I think Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chaseborough stabbing him in the back is going to result in widespread 14th Amendment lawsuits in every state.
01:13:01.000And by pleading guilty, What people keep saying, it's like, it's so funny, they're like, yeah, but she took misdemeanor charges for action interfering, like interfering in an election or something, and Trump's name wasn't mentioned, and it's like, okay, okay, yeah, headline, guilty.
01:13:17.000So now what's going to happen is, Trump's lawyer pleaded guilty and has actually been sentenced. Every Democrat, you know,
01:14:00.000And so he's going to testify as well that he was, I think they're alleging that he had been pressured to erase surveillance footage.
01:14:11.000Well, see, I think that they do a lot of this, too, to get the headlines.
01:14:15.000So the headlines, Trump's lawyer pleads guilty to this election fraud, like election manipulation or all these different things to demoralize his base.
01:14:25.000Because I know that base from 2020 truly believes In the Stop the Steal movement, you know, everything they marched for, everything they truly believed in, and it's a way to demoralize them as we go into 2024, like thinking, am I crazy?
01:14:39.000Like, was I wrong for supporting that movement?
01:14:42.000And they do that with those headlines.
01:14:43.000So it's not just chipping away at Trump.
01:14:46.000It's chipping away at his base to demoralize his base.
01:14:49.000And that's something important to know.
01:14:51.000Like when they gave Sidney Powell a plea deal, then they knew that would hurt.
01:14:54.000That would kind of hurt because she had a lot of big supporters during the Stop the Steal movement.
01:14:59.000And she just, you know, that was that was a hit.
01:15:02.000And they're just chipping away at him, hoping that Trump will give up.
01:17:41.000It's like playing Monopoly, where the person who's the banker keeps pulling extra money out, and you're like, you're cheating, and I'm like, no I'm not.
01:18:03.000So Judge Tanya Chutkin, who actually oversaw the cases of a number of January 6th defendants and sentenced them to longer than the Department of Justice was even asking for, said that the gag order in that case, that's the J6 case, would remain on hold while she considers Trump's suggestion that he should be allowed to speak freely about the case.
01:18:30.000So she had issued the gag order on Monday, which prevented him from speaking publicly by targeting prosecutors or anyone on staff or witnesses.
01:18:51.000And so now they're now they're just like hanging on for a minute.
01:18:56.000Trump's lawyers called it egregious and intolerable, saying, by restricting President Trump's free speech, the gag order eviscerates the rights of his audiences, including hundreds of millions of American citizens, who the court now forbids from listening to President Trump's thoughts on important issues.
01:23:08.000It's like that Seinfeld episode, remember, where they said to the guy who was like the body double for one of the kids on a TV show, Mickey.
01:24:39.000Yeah, that'd be... You can get away with doing like a two-inch heel lift inside your shoe, but whatever he's going for is just... It's like standing on his tippy-toes, man.
01:25:44.000It's a fun movie with Matt Damon where basically there's a bunch of, I guess you'd call them angels, who control people's destinies and are guiding people and manipulating.
01:25:54.000And so Matt Damon is running for Senate and he loses.
01:25:58.000And then they're like, we need to... Okay, he lost.
01:26:01.000That's good, because we want him to run again and win later.
01:26:04.000So they're like, now we're gonna get him back on track.
01:26:26.000They probably went to panels and showed Ron DeSantis speaking without the lifts and with the lifts and found that there was a massive benefit to wearing lifted shoes, lifted boots.
01:26:39.000I believe it is fair to say he is, because it looks like he's standing on his tippy toes in this picture, and his leg looks too long in this picture.
01:26:46.000He looks like he's levitating in that one.
01:27:53.000Because DeSantis is the everyman, the regular guy with military experience who tones down Trump and gives you that assurance, don't worry Trump, I'm gonna keep him in check.
01:28:03.000So they go to him and they whisper in his ear, now you should be president, come on, run.
01:28:07.000DeSantis implodes, tanked his own, I mean come on, who told him to wear those boots?
01:28:12.000Whoever told him to wear those boots destroyed him!
01:28:14.000That's a really good point, because now he's disliked.
01:28:17.000He used to be loved, now he's very disliked by the same people that were once his base.
01:28:24.000Somebody was filling his head, telling him, you gotta run, you're gonna win this, we're gonna make you the superstar, they loved you during COVID, they're gonna love you now.
01:28:32.000And then he ran, and then it just crumbled from there, like, and people just don't even like him.
01:29:52.000They're just like, I'm like, you do realize a bunch of prominent DeSantis fans are asking me why you're insulting them.
01:30:00.000I'm not, it's up to them to speak out.
01:30:03.000But the guests on this show, just go back through the list of the people we've had on the show, and you can try and make your guess as to who you think it is, but it's about three people, have said, are you being attacked by Ron DeSantis' campaign?
01:30:16.000And then I'm like, I laugh about it, I'm like, oh, they insult me all the time.
01:30:19.000And then they'll ask me, why is this happening?
01:30:23.000We've had people say, I've been getting attacked by his communications people for no reason.
01:30:28.000Actually, take a look at what happened with Ashley St.
01:30:31.000Past week, this past week, we did, uh, she made a funny joke about Ron wearing high heels, and Christina Pusha immediately responds, like, okay, Christina Pusha was like, when you have no argument against Ron DeSantis, so you make up this insult or whatever, and it's like, Ashley posted a meme about boots.
01:30:49.000She didn't make an argument about policy.
01:30:51.000She wasn't actually striking at his campaign or his career or anything.
01:32:36.000We got to maybe like, I think, I think we were short like 100 seats available out of 850 or something.
01:32:43.000And one of the responses we got was, for a Miami event, a lot of the people here who would agree with these politics are huge DeSantis fans, and so they're like, we don't want to come and watch this because you guys rag on DeSantis or whatever.
01:33:47.000It's crazy, I heard about this and I didn't even know the guy's name and I just googled like, guy destroys his career with a bad sound and he popped up and it was really bad.
01:33:57.000It was like when Michael Dukakis got in the tank and nobody remembers that but me, but yeah, that was extreme as well.
01:34:42.000It really does look... When you look at the boot, it looks like this is hard plastic, and this is leather, and you can see the shape of his foot pressing up against it.
01:35:30.000I think some never-Trumpers like the Bush Republicans probably got in his ear, threw a bunch of money behind him, said, you're going to win and just go.
01:35:37.000And then really, in reality... Divide and conquer.
01:36:47.000It looks like if you ever put a cowboy boot on, you put your foot halfway in, you put your heel against the back of the boot, you have that whole bunch of space.
01:36:54.000It looks like he's just standing in regular boots and he has like some socks underneath his feet or something like that.
01:36:58.000When I search for elevator cowboy boot hidden lift, a picture of Rhonda Santas pops up.
01:37:40.000So even if you're in South Carolina, you're like, that's brutal.
01:37:44.000So we're looking at Pittsburgh and Nashville next, which is a more centralized location for people who live in the area, they can come down.
01:37:51.000different directions. But one component was we thought Miami would do really
01:38:51.000But none of these are, like, obviously trying to hide- Wouldn't it be so funny if I just bought some of these, and, like, you know, just for no reason?
01:39:18.000There's all those women's shoes that are like wedges on the inside only, like those weird high heel sneakers that are like high heel on the inside.
01:39:26.000Yeah, those always freak me out because it's like, you're stuck with the uncomfortableness of high heels and you don't even get the visible credit of wearing them.
01:40:10.000There are these ads on Instagram where they sell these inserts.
01:40:14.000You can buy them for like 20 bucks, and you stick them into your shoe, and then it gives you a two-inch lift on your heel, and your shoes are on the ground.
01:40:20.000You're on high heels, but you're heightening it.
01:40:23.000And then there's like, the commercials are funny, because there's a guy, same height as the girl, and then they're like, yo, the guy's got a microphone, he's like, what do you think about this guy?
01:40:31.000And she's like, he's all right, I guess.
01:42:46.000Peter Balk says, if what Epstein says about Google and Android is true, Dr. Epstein, do you think they had foreknowledge of the Hamas attack and did not say anything?
01:42:55.000If so, was it benign neglect or intentional to push the agenda?
01:42:59.000I do not think that the probability is on the side of Israel having foreknowledge.
01:43:04.000I believe that they were warned about something and what Hamas has stated is that they only whispered among two or three people about what they were really going to be doing.
01:43:14.000Going to Israel and being like, there may be an attack, doesn't help.
01:43:24.000Your, your, it's, it's, defense is very, very difficult.
01:43:27.000But, um, the idea, yeah, I think, I think Israel was, was, uh, did not, did not know.
01:43:33.000Uh, and I don't think they were using, um, uh, the argument that could be made for this is that the tech they did use should have been predictive of something.
01:43:43.000But if they're not using these things and they've isolated themselves from it, then the machine can't track what they're doing.
01:43:48.000So I think that was kind of the point they made, how they kept it a secret.
01:43:52.000And we talk about that war game, that famous story, you guys probably know the name of it, I don't, where it was like an older guy and younger guys and the older guy won and it was because they wrote down their instructions on a note, put it in a guy's pocket and wrote it on a motorcycle, whereas the other guys were trying to spy over like communications and radio waves and that's not what they were doing.
01:45:20.000It would be like, imagine if, under the idea of like, I want to eat the bugs, I'm not saying, like, the argument is, in the context of doing what you must to survive, eat the bugs.
01:46:12.000I don't advocate for fake meat or bugs forced on people, but I certainly think if you're someone who's like, I'm not eating a bug, good luck when you're in a car accident in the middle of the woods or you get lost and you're like, oh no, what do I eat?
01:46:56.000Well, in Canada, they have a whole industry that the government is helping boost up and they're making cricket farms and all of this stuff so that you will eat the bugs.
01:47:07.000And there's like products already on shelves with bug puffs.
01:49:07.000Justin Slaw says Israel bombed the third oldest church in the world in Gaza.
01:49:13.000Well, it's a shame I just don't believe anything that comes out of Gaza.
01:49:18.000I was reading about that and it was, um, the IDF was looking into it and they had said that they had bombed something nearby and there was collateral damage.
01:51:23.000I mean, it was back in the 1920s, so it was a very long time ago.
01:51:27.000But yes, see, when it comes to college, it's a real shame that they're pumping out, like, communist and Marxist ideology, because during COVID, we learned that we need doctors on our side.
01:53:20.000After Occupy Wall Street, with the drone technology that we had developed, look, me and my friends hacked a bunch of drones to live stream from them.
01:53:28.000And we were doing mobile broadcasting.
01:53:31.000Numerous universities had me come in to give guest lectures to PhD journalism students.
01:53:36.000And I'm like, I didn't go to high school.
01:53:38.000And I was like, how is it that I have a career, that I'm now developing new technology in the space, in the field, covering historical events, and you guys, who are four years older than me, have done nothing.
01:54:17.000So what we did with the drones, for those that are asking, was we took the AR Parrot, we downloaded the software development kit, the SDK, and we then opened it up and started basically moving through the code to see the paths of what it was doing.
01:54:38.000And then we had we redirected its stream to a this is all rudimentary.
01:54:42.000This is like the early days of live streaming.
01:54:43.000So it was really ridiculous how we were pulling this off.
01:54:46.000But we use the computer with a I think we had a PlayStation controller or an Xbox controller to input the controls which we basically had to program.
01:54:56.000Like, we had to look at how the controls were programmed for the phone, because it was touchscreen, left, right, up, down, and then just associate that with the controller.
01:55:06.000And then, the difficult thing was just, it's all duct-taped together, so it, like, doesn't work properly until we finally work out the bugs.
01:55:40.000And then because of that, someone wrote that I built a blimp, which I never did, and it made it to Wikipedia that I invented a Zeppelin, and then no matter how many times I said I did not invent a Zeppelin, they called it the drone stream, and then the Zeppelin had some name, and I'm like, we didn't do this, and then it took like seven years to get it removed from Wikipedia, but then I decided a couple years ago, I'm gonna make it retroactively true, so then we did, and then they refused to reinstate the article claiming I did because it was false, even though it's true now.
01:56:35.000They have to become quote unquote Marxist in order to say, like, I deserve money, guys.
01:56:40.000Right, but also, you know, when we signed away, like, we were like 18 years old signing away huge debts, like, that we didn't know that it was a racket, really.
01:56:50.000And then they also, like, at the same time are bringing in all these migrants who we're forcing Americans and American students to compete against as cheap foreign labor, pushing our wages down.
01:57:01.000Like, the system is stacked against us, and it really is.
01:57:05.000And, you know, I think that I'm gonna get probably hit for this, but I do agree in some form of student loan relief or forgiveness program in a way where people can pay back their debt fairly.
01:58:38.000I think the individual must pay what they got.
01:58:42.000We can argue, yes, we'll forgive student loan debts with the endowments.
01:58:45.000That still means a bunch of leftist communists got 50 grand for free.
01:58:49.000Yeah, there's no need for that either.
01:58:51.000Well, so the idea is, if you got $50,000 and then bought things with it, you got a degree, that degree's valuable, right?
01:58:57.000Okay, you bought food, you paid rent, you must pay back the value that you were gifted.
01:59:02.000But the interest is predatory, so yeah, seize the endowments, cover the cost of all the interest from the endowments, and then the individual must pay back their principal.
01:59:11.000I took out student loans just so that I didn't have to work full-time while I was in grad school.
01:59:48.000Regular ordinary good folks who went to college and they aren't able to because they're competing against H1B visa workers who come in who will work twice as long for half as much.
02:00:17.000But I think there is a way forward that is fair for everybody to pay their student loan debt, or be able to afford it, and have jobs and working lives.
02:00:26.000Like, you know, conservatives, we all work for a living.
02:00:30.000These left-wing people, like, a lot of them sit at home and don't do work.
02:00:35.000Um, there are, you know, of course, I'm not speaking for the majority of them, but the college students who are complaining because they can't afford their student loans, like, they didn't really try, like, and they don't really have jobs, so.
02:00:47.000CVA Buck says, or, I'm sorry, Jeff Bader says, electrical engineering, try being one without a degree.
02:00:52.000And then, CVA Buck, just after him, says, I'm a senior engineer at a nuclear power plant with no degree.
02:00:57.000Ten years Navy nuke experience plus industry certifications, just now working on degree.
02:01:02.000One of the funniest things that I think was ever said to me was, after Occupy Wall Street, I get featured in a bunch of magazines, I get featured in Times Person of the Year, one of six features.
02:01:13.000I was featured in Times, nominated for Times 100 Most Influential People.
02:01:16.000Not that we care about the mainstream media, it's just like the industry is giving me these accolades.
02:01:20.000It's featured in GQ, six page spread, front page featured story, featured in Maxim Spin, getting all this stuff like, wow, look at the journalism he's doing, the new technology and everything.
02:01:32.000And then I had family members being like, are you gonna go to college now?
02:01:34.000And I was like, I'm in the magazine for the futuristic work and the transformative nature of what I'm doing.
02:01:42.000Why are you asking me to go to college?
02:01:44.000It's just, this mentality is insane to me.
02:01:48.000I remember I had a, I had a very different, I had like a, like a perspective shift.
02:01:54.000This was ages ago at this point, but my mom, I went to school for art.
02:01:58.000I was like doing theater arts and whatever other stupid stuff I was doing.
02:02:02.000And my mom always hated it and she was always very critical of like the work I was doing.
02:02:07.000She was like, Oh, you know, you're working really hard and you're not making any money.
02:02:11.000I was a director at a non-profit, which is a job that requires a degree.
02:02:14.000And then I stopped doing that and I started doing this, like journalism and editing and all of this kind of stuff.
02:02:22.000And she was like, honey, why are you doing that?
02:02:24.000Why, that's not such a great thing for you to do.
02:02:26.000And I was like, oh, I will never please the people who want me to do something different.
02:02:31.000So I'm going to not worry about it ever again.
02:02:34.000I was a director at a nonprofit, which is a job that requires a degree.
02:02:38.000You'll never find one that doesn't, and I don't have a degree.
02:02:40.000There's no reason for a degree to be a director of a not-for-profit.
02:02:44.000They have their arguments, but all of these companies are like, degree required in these fields, and I'm like, I don't have one.
02:02:50.000And it's just like, if... Yeah, well, they require it, but it really doesn't require the degree in order to do the job.
02:02:56.000Like, I'd rather have somebody with experience, ten years experience, rather than a four-year degree that they just came out, you know?
02:03:02.000I think this is the difference between, like, boomers, Gen X, and millennials.
02:03:05.000Gen X and millennials are more likely to say, I don't care about a degree, can you do the job?
02:03:08.000Boomers are more likely to say, get a degree.
02:03:12.000We'll go a little bit over, but I just want to wrap this one up.
02:03:16.000My perspective on this is that boomers didn't need degrees because after the greatest generation, after the World War II, we had this tremendous economy, we had this massive manufacturing base, and so the economy was really, really great.
02:03:45.000When in reality, if you don't need to go to college, if everyone around you can survive a high school diploma, and you say, no I'm going to college, it was likely because you were pursuing a passion.
02:03:54.000You were chasing after something you really wanted to learn about, computers or whatever.
02:03:59.000Your passion is why you made six figures, not the college degree.
02:04:02.000But the people who didn't go thought it was the degree itself, told all their kids to get it.
02:04:07.000Millennials then started going to get degrees.
02:04:09.000Gen Xers were just like, I don't care if you have a degree, dude, can you do the job?
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