Pro-Israel groups claim that Israeli babies have been kidnapped by Hamas. Is this true? And if so, who is responsible? And why? Plus, a special guest joins us to talk about this and much, much more.
00:00:24.000The reporting coming out that babies had been beheaded by Hamas, and it sounds so extreme, it is, I mean this quite in a literal sense, it is unbelievable.
00:00:35.000But Fox News is reporting it, I-24 initially reported it, and there are many people who are skeptical of this because of past testimony, the New York testimony in particular, back during, I think it was in the early 90s, when a young woman claimed that Saddam's forces were taking babies out of incubators.
00:00:53.000So we're going to talk about the news that's coming out.
00:00:55.000And obviously, this is a very, very complex issue that is extremely heated.
00:01:00.000But of course, it is now on the forefront as U.S.
00:01:03.000Special Forces are offering assistance over the hostages who have been taken by Hamas, which Biden says many may be American citizens.
00:01:11.000Of course, there was a carrier group dispatched and fears that this could escalate into a more serious conflict.
00:01:17.000And if we're seeing conflict now escalating to the point of U.S.
00:01:20.000or other countries mobilizing, You know, maybe we're at the point where we might say World War III.
00:01:26.000They've been saying that about Ukraine for some time now, but when we get, you know, conflict at this level in various regions, if China then moves on Taiwan, things get really, really bad.
00:01:34.000So, we'll talk about that, plus several other stories, but for the most part, I mean, this is the news that's dominating right now.
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00:02:54.000Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Max Blumenthal.
00:03:01.000First of all, thank you for the malort.
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00:07:24.000They say, at least 40 babies, some beheaded, found by Israel soldiers in Hamas-attacked village.
00:07:32.000IDF Major General Itay Varov described the scene in Kfar Azza as a massacre.
00:07:37.000Israel's military has discovered unspeakable horrors in an Israeli community that was attacked by Hamas on Saturday, including dozens of dead babies, some with their heads chopped off, Israeli media reported.
00:07:46.000According to local Israeli outlet I-24 News, IDF soldiers moved into Kfar Aza, one of the communities Hamas terrorists invaded early Saturday morning, and discovered about 40 dead babies, some decapitated.
00:07:58.000They say it several times before the article gets started.
00:08:01.000The IDF were removing the bodies of victims found in the area when they found the children's remains.
00:08:05.000Israeli soldiers are attempting to use bones to identify the victims, according to the report.
00:08:09.000It's not a war, it's not a battlefield.
00:08:11.000You see the babies, the mother, the father, in their bedrooms, in their protection rooms, and how the terrorists killed them.
00:08:17.000IDF Major General Itay Varouf said, describing the scene, I-24 reported, it's a massacre.
00:08:22.000Now, immediately, A lot of people brought up the Nayyirah testimony, which is a young woman, Nayyirah Al-Sabah, in the early 90s, in 1990, early 90s, who had stated that Saddam's forces were pulling babies out of incubators and leaving them to die.
00:08:39.000So, the news is obviously shocking, and the first thing I'm going to say as we get into this subject matter is, Look man, this is such a heated issue.
00:08:47.000There's people tweeting out photos and videos.
00:08:51.000They're saying the attacks, it's pure evil, don't support this.
00:08:55.000You've got tweets from people like Ben Shapiro saying there's a big difference between Israel trying to prevent civilian deaths and Hamas targeting civilians.
00:09:03.000So obviously, this is extremely heated.
00:09:06.000That being said, I remain skeptical on stories like this.
00:09:10.000There are a lot of videos I'm seeing shared.
00:09:12.000I can't prove these videos are what people say they are.
00:09:15.000There are some videos that are easily discernible, like yes, there's paratroopers coming in.
00:09:20.000Some of these are clearly not from, they're not, what people will do is they'll take videos from other conflicts and then they'll caption them and put them as if it was now to shock you or whatever.
00:09:29.000Some of the videos we've seen are clear and plain as day.
00:09:33.000I think the reporting speaks for itself.
00:09:35.000But then there are more shocking stories like this.
00:09:37.000There are videos that start right in the middle of something egregious happening that we don't know where they come from.
00:09:41.000So I just hope everybody keeps a level head to the best of their abilities so we can try and figure out what's true and what isn't.
00:09:46.000But I'm curious what all of you guys think about this latest reporting because this is...
00:09:50.000Look, the idea that babies are beheaded is international casus belli.
00:09:56.000sending a strike group, a carrier group.
00:09:58.000This is, we rally our allies and say, these terrorist groups must be stopped.
00:10:01.000That's why I have fears about what these stories mean.
00:10:05.000The first thing I, you know, heard, or the first thing that I thought when I heard it was obviously the stories that led to the first Iraq war.
00:10:52.000And and I don't so I don't need to I don't need to believe that they were cutting off babies heads to condemn the attack on Israel.
00:11:01.000So, you know, if it turns out that it happened, I'm not shocked.
00:11:07.000I mean, I was alive when ISIS, when the The Islamic State was in existence and I saw videos of them cutting off people's heads and doing terrible things.
00:11:19.000You don't need to have this particular thing to be real to be like, okay, terrorists do really horrible, horrible things with the intent of...
00:11:31.000Yeah, I would be shocked, first of all, because Hamas is mortally opposed to ISIS and Salafi elements.
00:11:37.000They've actually battled them in the streets in Rafah before.
00:11:41.000They consider them a threat to their stability, and Israeli intelligence actually has worked with Salafi elements in Gaza to destabilize Hamas, just as Israeli intelligence supported Hamas to destabilize the PLO when it controlled Gaza.
00:12:54.000But he got in trouble earlier this year because he called for an entire Palestinian village to be wiped off the map next to his illegal settlement in the West Bank.
00:13:02.000And he's the guy that she's interviewing as her credible witness.
00:13:07.000And as you said, Israel has enough to go on right now to try to portray itself, even though it's the occupier and besieger of the Gaza Strip, according to international law, to portray itself as a victim.
00:13:38.000False testimony given to the United States Congressional Human Rights Caucus October 10, 1990 by a 15-year-old girl who was publicly identified by the time by her first name, Neera.
00:13:47.000The testimony was widely publicized and was cited numerous times by U.S.
00:13:52.000Bush in their rationale to support Kuwait in the Gulf War.
00:13:55.000In 1992, it was revealed Nayyirah's last name was Al-Sabah and that she was the daughter of Saud Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S.
00:14:04.000Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign, which was run by the American public relations firm Hill and Knowlton.
00:14:13.000For the Kuwaiti government following this, Al-Sabah's testimony has become regarded as a classic example of modern atrocity propaganda.
00:14:34.000The story was that they were stabbing babies in incubators with bayonets and throwing them on the ground so that way they could take the incubators back to Iraq from Kuwait.
00:14:48.000And I mean, I was 15 when I heard it or whatever.
00:14:51.000So, you know, what the hell did I know?
00:14:52.000But I was like, oh, that's so terrible.
00:14:53.000But now looking back, obviously, it's like it, especially today with the way that we have the ability to communicate and produce fake videos and have videos that don't have any context with them.
00:15:23.000I think it's possible that, like, the most reasonable and rational thing that I would say highest probability in terms of this being truthful is that You know, a couple babies died, one had its, man, this is such a horrible thing to say, but severely injured to the point of decapitation, and then someone passes it along and it, Purple Monkey dishwashes itself, telephones itself into 40 babies killed, beheaded, in a more extreme version of the story, but now it serves a political purpose, so it escalates to a point where Fox News is reporting it, headline, as though it's proven.
00:15:58.000The challenging thing is, What do you need?
00:16:01.000What do you do if this is true, if they're not lying?
00:16:04.000Well, there's another purpose to it, which is to deflect from the obviously true, real videos of babies being killed by Israeli airstrikes all across the Gaza Strip.
00:16:16.000When I was in Gaza in 2014, I went to Khan Younis, which is in the southeast, had been completely destroyed at its eastern edge by the Israeli military.
00:16:26.000And the casualties were so intense that the hospital started filling up in Khan Younis and I went to a small hospital and talked to the head of the hospital and he showed me photos and these photos are on my Twitter page from the time, all real.
00:16:40.000He had to bring in from local shops ice cream coolers to store dead babies in because the mortuaries had run out of space.
00:16:49.000And now we see Israel attacking, the hospital in Beit Hanun in the north is completely out of commission.
00:16:55.000All of these hospitals are coming under attack.
00:16:57.000So babies are dying in the Gaza Strip.
00:17:00.000There's video right now, Jackson Henkel just tweeted a video of a father carrying his baby out of the rubble.
00:17:05.000There's another video on Times of Gaza, a local publication of a father putting his infant daughter to sleep for the last time.
00:17:13.000And they've completely erased these casualties.
00:17:17.000And that's part of what fuels the violence and the ruthlessness that we see from these fighters, is that they want to avenge what they call their martyrs.
00:17:26.000And that fuels what is, you know, referred to as the cycle of violence.
00:17:48.000They targeted military bases, primarily military bases like Nahalaz, that are maintaining the siege of Gaza, and they overwhelmed those bases and humiliated the fourth most powerful military on the planet with a blue water navy with nuclear weapons.
00:18:03.000Some of these fighters were filmed entering the bases with no shoes on.
00:18:07.000They're using homemade weapons, AK-47s, paragliders, fishing boats to get in. This is not a
00:18:14.000powerful army and they humiliated them and the Israelis vaunted intelligence
00:18:18.000services so they don't want to talk about that and yes they went in a lot of these kibbutzim
00:18:22.000are right next to the bases I've been to them.
00:18:28.000They went to a music festival and started killing people.
00:18:31.000So I get what you're saying, like, they are definitely the underdogs and stuff, but, like, to classify it, to try and point out that it's, or to make it, to legitimize it as a, as an actual military operation, I think totally glosses over the fact that they attacked civilians intentionally.
00:18:54.000Israel has a doctrine of targeting civilians intentionally.
00:18:56.000It's called the Dahiyya Doctrine, and I can lay out what it is.
00:19:00.000But they believe that if they attack civilians and humiliate them, they will eventually rise up against their government.
00:19:07.000They tested it against Hezbollah in Lebanon, and it failed.
00:19:11.000And it's being used against the civilians in the Gaza Strip.
00:19:15.000They want to lower their morale so much that they actually turn on the mosque.
00:19:19.000You're talking about a retaliation, right?
00:19:22.000Like I said, again, this initially started, and granted, I don't know the details about where, if they attacked the military bases or whatever, and I'm not trying to push back on that, but the idea that this is just a military Operation, they specifically went and started killing people at the festival.
00:19:45.000It reminds me of the Bataclan in Paris.
00:19:50.000So maybe if you want to say that the Israelis are terrorists as well, fine.
00:19:53.000I'm not here to defend Israel, but the idea that the initial attack was a military operation or exclusively military, uh-uh.
00:20:01.000They attacked people and they went after civilians and killed people at a point.
00:20:05.000When Max started bringing this up, I mean, I'm not interjecting because I want to hear what you have to say about what were they targeting in terms of military targets.
00:20:12.000I don't think it makes sense for Hamas to come in and just literally only target a music festival.
00:20:19.000Obviously, I think it's reasonable that they targeted a wide breadth of things, but I do agree with Phil.
00:20:25.000I mean, the problem is, one of the arguments we're hearing is that they're breaking out of an open-air prison.
00:20:31.000I mean, I know people who are the families of those in Palestine, those who have come from Gaza, and absolutely have heard these arguments, but to then see them going to a music festival and laughing about it, you know, and grabbing people and throwing them on the ground... I mean, I suppose the argument is the videos are all fake or something, but there's videos of the guys walking up to cars and just shooting regular people, like, just in their cars who have no idea what's going on.
00:20:54.000What's that Israeli doctrine of targeting civilians called?
00:20:58.000I think I brought this up when I was on PBD on Saturday when this all went down.
00:21:01.000Back when Protective Edge happened in 2014, I did not cover this stuff.
00:21:33.000They say Israel, every couple of years, will decimate parts of Gaza to reduce, you know, as they described it, their military capabilities.
00:21:42.000But I'm curious what, you know, if you want to elaborate on that.
00:21:45.000Yeah, I mean, there's so many issues on the table.
00:21:47.000I mean, to the music festival, which is like the most, you know, grisly thing, one of the most grisly things we've seen prior to Israel leveling entire neighborhoods in Gaza City, including neighborhoods I stayed in, where many people actually are not friendly to Hamas.
00:22:04.000They're holding an EDM Mali-fueled music festival on the border.
00:22:08.000The drugs that they're on do not matter.
00:22:12.000It doesn't matter what drugs they're on.
00:22:48.000And here's what the objective of these fighters, one of the main objectives, which is not really discussed properly in our media.
00:22:56.000And it doesn't matter if you support Israel or Palestine here, you have to acknowledge this objective.
00:23:01.000It's to get as many Israeli citizens into the hands of the authorities in Gaza to negotiate because Israel is holding thousands and thousands of Palestinian captives in its prison.
00:23:13.000There is one guy named Hader Adnan who died this May after a three-month hunger strike.
00:23:20.000So you just said that the goal is to kidnap and return... The goal is to spur negotiations and change the strategic By kidnapping and bringing them back to Gaza.
00:23:42.000It's about not seeing this in a stupid emotional way.
00:23:45.000I'm not saying you're being stupid or emotional, but we are being Cultivated in this country to be stupid and emotional by not trying to understand why this attack took place.
00:23:54.000Gilad Shalit was an Israeli soldier who is captured out of his tank in 2011 by fighters from Gaza, actually not affiliated with Hamas.
00:24:03.000And Israel was forced to exchange over 1000 Palestinian prisoners People want us to take the most emotional approach to this.
00:26:03.000A few years later, Israel drops a warning flare on the roof of that media tower where all the journalists work and operate.
00:26:11.000I've also edited videos from there with some really nice Palestinian journalists, just cool people you would all like to hang out with, who would love to leave their little strip of land and can't.
00:26:20.000Anyway, and then Israel brings the whole tower down.
00:26:58.000So when I look at something like Israel, the challenge for me is I'm not nearly as involved as you and I'm not nearly as zealous as many of the neoconservatives and the more conservative base.
00:27:09.000So when rockets come flying from Gaza and Start blowing up over Tel Aviv.
00:27:34.000And so what ends up happening is every time I've engaged with it, again, not an expert on this stuff.
00:27:39.000I mean, I might know a little bit more than the average person, but it's like, I appreciate your perspective.
00:27:45.000I'm glad you're here to tell us about this stuff, too.
00:27:47.000Because I think only talking to people who are on the more personal side is going to leave us, you know, blind to the arguments from the other side.
00:27:54.000They're using hospitals and schools and civilian areas to launch rockets from, knowing that it will make it extremely difficult for Israel to stop the rocket fire into civilian areas.
00:28:16.000Rules are for, in my, it's like this idea of war crimes I always find so silly.
00:28:20.000Like obviously, we think some things are so egregious that even in war they're a crime.
00:28:24.000But yo, the people who win those wars don't care what you think because you're gone.
00:28:27.000And so when I look at what's going on in Israel and Palestine, I know that you've got two factions that are going to use whatever arguments, whatever psychological warfare, whatever physical warfare they can to try and win this.
00:28:39.000And I know that there probably is a right side and someone's telling the truth.
00:28:42.000And I know for a fact there's an objective truth and lies to what's going on.
00:31:55.000Well, they live mostly in an area south called Jaffa or Jaffa.
00:31:59.000But I mean like somebody who is of Palestinian ancestry.
00:32:03.000There are 1.5 million Palestinian citizens of Israel and they're said to have equal rights, but there are discriminatory laws on the books.
00:32:11.000Yeah, there's like 400 mosques, right?
00:32:13.000There's like 400 mosques within Israel, right?
00:32:15.000Yeah, I mean, the mosques operate... I mean, there's pressure on them to, like, shut off the museum at night.
00:32:22.000And, you know, there's all kinds of, like, personal, like, individual conflicts or cultural conflicts taking place.
00:32:28.000But yes, there are Palestinian citizens.
00:33:00.000I'm interested in asking Max this question because of your extensive coverage of it, your views on the conflict, and right now I think it's fair to say every single person wants peace.
00:33:12.000There's clearly a divide, though, and it's that Israel's view of peace is very different from the Palestinian view of peace, and then, say, our view of peace, right?
00:33:22.000Middle-of-the-road, anti-war Americans who are like, why are we involved in this and how do we make it stop?
00:33:26.000Or do we do nothing at all and stay completely out of it?
00:33:31.000What, what, what, how do we, if, you know, if Hamas is like, we're gonna go take civilians because they're bargaining chips for us, you've now got a story where I'm like, bro, I'm 37, this conflict's been going on a lot longer than I've been alive, and all I know is I watch a video of people storming a music festival, killing and kidnapping people.
00:33:48.000All I see- That's bad, we want to stop.
00:33:51.000Either it's the total obliteration and annihilation of two million Palestinians, Or it's they refugee and they flee the land and they come here to the United States or somewhere else, or they are absorbed into another nation.
00:34:05.000Those are three solutions that Israeli leadership is kind of putting forward because they cannot exist with Palestinians in their midst.
00:34:14.000And Egypt doesn't want to take them, and Jordan doesn't want to take them, and Lebanon doesn't want to.
00:34:21.000No one wants to take the Palestinians.
00:34:23.000Why won't Egypt open up Rafah and let them?
00:34:25.000Because it's politically useful to have the Palestinian problem.
00:34:28.000The fight between the Arabs and the Jews, that's politically useful to Jordan, it's politically useful to Lebanon, it's politically useful to Egypt.
00:34:36.000It's for the same reason that many Americans don't want Hondurans or Mexicans coming across the border.
00:34:41.000Egyptians look down on Palestinians and they consider them a burden on a society with 90 million people, with a very weak state, where there's a lot of poverty.
00:34:50.000And the Rafah crossing between Gaza and Israel was bombed today with many people who are dual nationals trying to get out as Netanyahu and the Israeli leadership are saying leave Gaza and we won't bomb you but they have nowhere But, you know, on this issue of the solution, I mean, we're entering a very dangerous phase and we're looking at the Holy Land right now.
00:35:50.000And what's been going on there is that the security minister of Israel, who's the biggest fanatic in Israeli society, his name is Itamar Ben-Gavir.
00:35:56.000He's led literal riots against Palestinian shops.
00:36:00.000He's so extreme the Israeli military would not allow him in.
00:36:03.000He's been convicted in Israeli courts of terrorism.
00:36:05.000He is now the security minister because Benjamin Netanyahu needs him and his small party in order to maintain his coalition.
00:36:13.000He has been leading groups up to the Al-Aqsa compound of Jewish extremists who try to break in there into the third holiest site in Islam in a direct provocation.
00:36:25.000And what they want to do is blow up the Al-Aqsa compound and bring back the third Jewish temple.
00:36:31.000And they belong to a movement called the Temple Movement which sees the Jewish prayer that takes place at the Western Wall as phony, as fake.
00:36:39.000What they think the original prayer that took place there was the mass slaughtering of sheep continuously.
00:37:17.000It goes all the way back to Genesis, the feud between Ishmael and Isaac, or the fact that the story says that Isaac was chosen by God and Ishmael is the father of the Arabs, Isaac's the father of the Jews, this is like the Hatfield and McCoy feud on steroids.
00:37:40.000It goes back thousands and thousands and thousands, three thousand years or whatever, I don't know how far back.
00:37:46.000People that put it into a modern context, I understand that.
00:37:49.000Like, because there are things that inflame the tensions, but the tensions go far beyond just, you know, it's deeper than Islam.
00:38:00.000And that's the thing that most Americans don't realize.
00:38:03.000Americans think that it's about a religion, and it's not.
00:38:06.000It's an ethnic feud that goes far deeper than a religion.
00:38:10.000A lot of the tension comes from that, but the violence is coming from the colonization.
00:38:16.000You can always do a video chat and get past your hatred of each other, but if you're going to die, you have a choice.
00:38:23.000I know this issue is particularly contentious, so yes, ladies and gentlemen, I'd love to bring on a journalist who has covered the Israeli perspective.
00:38:33.000Not that I think that you necessarily don't, but you do have your biases.
00:38:36.000I wrote a book about the Israeli perspective.
00:38:38.000It's called Goliath, and I lived in Jerusalem in one of the most Jewish areas for almost a year just trying to absorb that.
00:38:45.000That's fair, but... And I'm Jewish myself, and I came to this understanding by first going on the Birthright Israel trip, which is a free trip for Jews it was then 18 to 25 and you know, it's basically like the best sex vacation ever Like they want you to mate.
00:39:03.000They want Jews to have relationships because you know, we're not getting you know, we don't proselytize So they're encouraging you to have sex with Israeli soldiers It's a big party, but I got really really into the situation there and it was right at the dawn of the second intifada Wow, it affected me in a way that they didn't want it to I mean they did what I get eyes us So there are obviously a lot of people who, we've got some chats where they're saying it's great you're a real journalist covering this, but then there are other people saying that you're a joke and you're wrong about this stuff.
00:39:32.000But I do want to point out the seemingly contradictory statement you made earlier.
00:39:38.000I say seemingly in that the people's view of tribal politics, you had praise for Donald Trump's peace efforts.
00:39:45.000before the show. I don't know if you want to... Depending on which peace efforts I'm talking about.
00:39:48.000For sure. But we're talking about North Korea and South Korea and you were saying like,
00:39:53.000you know, I won't speak for you. Cribs in the bloods. Yeah.
00:39:56.000Yeah. I mean, one point to you real quick before I get into that. If Christians should be
00:40:03.000paying special attention to this conflict because the Christians who live in Bethlehem, they
00:40:09.000They're not represented by any of these factions, but they are affected by occupation and they are being forced out of their lands where they are carrying the tradition of the disciples.
00:40:18.000The Anastos family, who I know, had the wall.
00:40:22.000The separation wall built entirely around their home and shop, and that was the end of their existence there.
00:40:28.000They are directly descended from the disciples.
00:40:30.000So this isn't just about Jews and Muslims.
00:40:33.000And by the way, Jews and Muslims resisted the crusaders in Jerusalem.
00:40:38.000But to your point about Trump, no, you wanted to say something?
00:40:41.000Well, I wanted to point out that the way you've characterized this, you've called Jews terrorists multiple times, and every time that I talk about the fact that the operation was a terror operation, you push back on it.
00:40:58.000So I understand that you have a perspective, and it's totally cool.
00:41:01.000I'm not trying to say you're wrong for having an opinion or having a perspective, but I do want to point out You are characterizing the Israelis as Jews, and you talk about how far-right and how bloodthirsty they are, and the terror attack you've been pushing back on and saying, well, it's not a terror attack and etc.
00:41:19.000So, I mean, I just wanted to call attention to it.
00:41:22.000It is not just that Jews are terrorists or that the Palestinians are terrorists.
00:41:28.000This particular issue, this particular A flare-up or whatever is because of a terrorist attack, but it's not that one side or the other are the bad guys and the good guys.
00:41:39.000For me, it's about justice and injustice.
00:41:42.000One side is much more powerful than the other and has been abusing them historically.
00:41:46.000But Israel, to me, does not represent Judaism.
00:41:49.000To me, that's an anti-Semitic point of view, and actually anti-Semites try to implicate all Jews by invoking Israel's crimes.
00:41:58.000I see Israel as embracing the philosophy of Zionism, and if you go to Brooklyn and you see all those ultra-Orthodox Jews from the Satmar clan, They're not Zionists.
00:42:14.000Yes, I mean, as we were saying before the show, I mean, I stood and cheered when he crossed the DMZ into North Korea.
00:42:23.000I never thought I would see an American president do that.
00:42:27.000In so many ways, Trump going off script was the greatest thing about the Trump era.
00:42:32.000I never thought an American president would do that.
00:42:35.000Admitting the weapons deal to Saudi Arabia and all that stuff, the oil fields in Syria.
00:42:38.000It's like not good things, but it's like he's saying it.
00:42:42.000Yeah, even with the bad things, he lifted the mask on American empire because he wasn't trying to be elegant about it.
00:42:47.000He just told the truth about what we are.
00:42:50.000With Israel, though, I don't know if you remember, but it was like in 2015, he went to the Republican-Jewish coalition and he said, like, I'm a landlord.
00:43:00.000We need to make a deal with Israel-Palestine.
00:43:02.000And they called him an anti-Semite for saying that.
00:43:04.000It's like he's calling Jews landlords who are dealmakers.
00:43:09.000And then he changed and Jared Kushner came in the equation, his son-in-law.
00:43:13.000I mean, just imagine if Trump's son-in-law was Palestinian.
00:43:16.000What do you think about the Abraham Accords?
00:43:18.000Well, the Abraham Accords are a real reason why this happened, why these attacks took place.
00:43:23.000Because the whole point of the Abraham Accords was to go over the heads of the Palestinians, put that whole issue in the icebox forever, let them stay in their cages or wherever, maybe give them a few crumbs, and then Israel will make peace with the monarchies who have all the money and all of the, you know, sovereign wealth funds.
00:43:42.000And Jared Kushner's directly overseeing that.
00:43:44.000There's going to be more Trump towers in Dubai.
00:43:47.000And meanwhile, Trump goes and assassinates Qasem Soleimani, second most powerful figure, prestigious figure in Iran, who heads the IRGC, which has a relationship with the factions in Gaza, as well as Lebanon.
00:44:00.000I mean, he was setting the stage for all this.
00:44:03.000So the Abraham Accords and the normalization with Saudi Arabia, between Israel and Saudi Arabia, The Al-Aqsa flood operation declared by Hamas was explicitly designed to undermine that.
00:44:24.000Well, everything leads back to Jerusalem in the Middle East and the Palestinians will not allow themselves, the rest of the region, especially these monarchs who don't answer to anybody except their own internal clan, they will not allow themselves to be ignored.
00:44:38.000What would happen if the security fencing, the barriers around the Gaza Strip were all removed and all the people of Palestine were granted free movement?
00:44:48.000Well, it would certainly reduce the drive to violence and revenge over time, but there would no longer... What would they be within what we call Israel?
00:44:58.000And this goes to the whole logic of Zionism.
00:45:01.000In order to have a Jewish state, you have to have a demographic majority of Jews within a certain territory, although Israel has no internationally recognized borders.
00:46:34.000I don't like the stories that I hear from you about what's going on in Gaza, but all I see with everything they've just done is they've exacerbated the problem tenfold.
00:46:46.000From their point of view, there's no other diplomatic path to getting out of the siege, and the siege was becoming too comfortable for Israel.
00:46:54.000Israel's always going to be in a comfortable situation, as long as the Palestinians don't do anything.
00:47:01.000Firing rockets doesn't accomplish anything for them.
00:47:17.000It's not as bad as being under the Israeli missiles that I've been under, which is absolutely horrifying with a drone over your head all night, and you wake up and houses are blown up around you.
00:47:28.000The point is they get concessions and it's the only way and the only time that Israel has ever given them any concessions, whether it's more work permits.
00:47:45.000From your perspective, you could make the argument that Israel lets them fire the rockets to justify the expansion of control over the Gaza Strip, and that you're saying it works.
00:47:59.000They want Hamas to constantly attack civilians so they can go to the international stage, they can go to the United States, they can go to foreign countries and say, see, this is why we need money, and this is why we're justified in controlling the things that we control, having the Iron Dome.
00:48:11.000I kind of view it like, Like right now, for the average American who has no idea about what this conflict is rooted in, all they know is that civilians were massacred.
00:48:23.000Tell me about the Balfour Declaration, unless you want to keep going.
00:48:25.000This is about the inception of the idea of the British mandate for Palestine we talked about last night.
00:48:29.000Basically the end of World War I, the Arabs We're fighting with the Ottomans, the Germans, and the Austrians, and they were winning the war.
00:48:36.000So the British and the French manipulated the Arabs, and they were like, if you betray the Ottoman Empire, we'll give you this land we call Palestine after the war.
00:48:42.000So the Arabs were like, sweet, they betrayed the Ottomans, the French and the British won the war, and then they went back on their deal with this secret declaration, the Balfour Declaration.
00:48:51.000Can you take me from there and talk me through?
00:48:53.000After we cover where you were at, Tim, which...
00:48:58.000The gist of it being, to the average person around the world who doesn't follow this stuff,
00:49:04.000Hamas just committed a major act of terror killing civilians.
00:49:06.000Right. Well, that's because they're being propagandized by corporate media,
00:49:12.000which is telling them this is unprovoked.
00:49:14.000I mean, just look up how many times... But provocation is immaterial.
00:49:16.000I mean, like, for me, when I cover this... Context isn't material, but the reason that they did it was because otherwise they're consolidating permanent siege in the Gaza Strip.
00:49:27.000And yes, it's a fact, as you pointed out, that Israel initially supported Hamas.
00:49:34.000Actually, the Mossad funneled money, as Robert Fisk reported, Into Hamas's coffers in the 1980s because they wanted to destroy the PLO, which was secular, more socialist oriented, and they saw them as the greater threat.
00:49:47.000Israel allowed Hamas free movement around the Gaza Strip when Israel internally controlled the Gaza Strip, but we're entering a new era.
00:49:56.000In world, in international relations, a multipolar era where the United States doesn't matter as much.
00:50:02.000And so while we this, this is kind of a bonanza for Israel to be able to show these images of a music festival being attacked and so on.
00:50:12.000But the United States doesn't matter as much in the region and Iran is emerging as a regional power.
00:50:18.000So I think the calculus on the ground is changing a little bit and it's moving more in favor of the Palestinians as long as and I think.
00:50:27.000That is another factor in why this took place.
00:50:32.000On the Balfour Declaration, I mean, you're talking about the earliest stages of the colonial powers handing over the land of Palestine to those they saw as a more powerful force.
00:50:44.000And a lot of it was motivated, actually, by anti-Semitism.
00:50:47.000I mean, Balfour didn't have kind things to say about Jews in the UK.
00:50:52.000And so he thought that if we actually displace what he saw as a Jewish problem onto the backs of an indigenous population, just get our Jews out of England and put them there, it's going to be a good deal for us.
00:51:07.000And maybe we can use them to control the Suez Canal perpetually if we lose control of it.
00:51:16.000The English anti-Semites were not the only anti-Semites in history to see Zionist colonization as a positive thing.
00:51:24.000The largest export market for the Zionist colonies in 1930s and pre-state 1940s Palestine was Germany.
00:51:35.000And the Zionist movement, the labor wing, the quasi-socialist wing, actually inked a formal deal with Nazi Germany called the Havara Agreement, the Transfer Agreement.
00:52:58.000It's on top of what we're hearing now from CNN that the U.S.
00:53:02.000is offering special forces as several of the hostages or some of the hostages taken are believed to be Americans.
00:53:09.000I was saying this the other day, my concern is, if Americans are captured, and some of these, one of the individuals that's taken hostage is an IDF soldier, who is a dual citizen, American and Israeli, which creates all sorts of questions about, should the U.S.
00:53:26.000They're gonna say, that's an American citizen, despite the fact it was also an Israeli citizen, fighting on behalf of Israel, you know, in a conflict.
00:53:33.000But, Now with the deployment of a carrier strike group, I'm curious, the chance by which the U.S.
00:53:39.000gets involved in a direct conflict, which is a dramatic escalation, and what could possibly happen, do you think the U.S., I mean, look, the U.S.
00:54:05.000So they, in southern Lebanon, have the capacity to take out ships.
00:54:09.000I don't think they'd be stupid enough to do this, but you now have U.S.
00:54:12.000assets in there that are just a trigger point.
00:54:15.000It would probably be better if there were fewer US assets in the area, honestly.
00:54:22.000In 2014, I remember Protective Edge kicked off and I'm hanging out with a bunch of journalists and they were concerned about a very slim possibility of World War III.
00:54:35.000That actions taken against Gaza could incite Iran, and then Russia, and then China, and then you get, you know, much like the assassination of Franz Ferdinand was not, at that time, when that happened, nobody said, that's it, it's World War I, like, the World War started, no, the assassination happened, it got reported, and then over a long period of time, treaties kick in, eventually it's called the Great War, we now call it World War I.
00:54:58.000There was fear that Protective Edge could lead to something like that, but ultimately it didn't.
00:55:06.000being more directly involved with the active war in Eastern Europe, which is very much related to energy, Syria, the Syrian conflict, and Iraq, and a bunch of other countries, and then the fear that China moves on Taiwan, we could be really knocking on a legitimate World War III.
00:55:22.000Knocking on the door of Yeah, I mean, I think Syria in a lot of ways was kind of a laboratory or a sort of a test case for World War Three, because you had Russia coming in with Iran and Hezbollah to stop U.S.
00:55:37.000and Western proxy forces who happened to be aligned with al-Qaeda and ISIS.
00:55:42.000And Israel was actually supporting Al-Qaeda and ISIS in the Golan.
00:55:48.000It was allowing them to pass in and out of the Golan.
00:55:51.000Actually, Moshe Ya'alon, who was the Israeli defense minister at the time, this is a headline, I would prefer Islamic State to Iran in Syria in the times of Israel.
00:56:01.000Is that because of the difference between the Shia and the Sunni Muslims?
00:56:08.000That and that they are just weaker and they don't want to fight Israel because in many ways they're just a creation of the West.
00:56:16.000I mean, if there is a regional war, all those Al Qaeda forces in Idlib in Syria that resist that fought the Syrian government, they're not going to be fighting on against Israel.
00:56:27.000And they're kind of like on Israel's side.
00:56:32.000But what could happen here that I think could set the region on fire is, and it's already happening anyway, is if Israel tries to march on Gaza City.
00:56:55.000Yeah, and it didn't go very well for them.
00:56:58.000They went into an area called Shujaie, east of Gaza City, and lost something like 40 soldiers, including officers.
00:57:05.000They totally underestimated the al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of Hamas.
00:57:09.000And they retreated and then blanketed the whole area with howitzers and missiles, which is why that, if you look at the rubble from 2014, it's that area.
00:57:21.000But if they go all the way to Gaza City, and they're already softening it up, they've like destroyed an entire neighborhood in the center of Gaza City where all the administrative buildings are, all the cafes, the middle class lives.
00:57:33.000If they go all the way there, And they try to bring down Hamas and occupy that area?
00:58:02.000And I don't know where that will lead.
00:58:03.000It could then lead to more forces intervening.
00:58:08.000Because that'd be Sunni-Shia then agreeing with each other.
00:58:10.000If Hezbollah and Hamas agree that Sunni and Shia Muslims agreeing to be against Israel, right?
00:58:16.000So isn't that open a whole other chemical arm as well?
00:58:18.000It's like with Iran backing Hamas, which is Shia and Sunni, etc.
00:58:22.000That's a whole thing in itself already.
00:58:24.000Well, that's a great question to raise because Saudi Arabia, which we had thought of as sort of the real Sunni power that was supporting the overthrow.
00:58:36.000They were supporting the overthrow of Syria.
00:59:06.000Hezbollah is a Shia faction in Lebanon that was really formed in the 1980s when Israel invaded Lebanon.
00:59:16.000Israel thought that the Shia, because they were a minority that had been mistreated, would be their allies and that they would greet them with candy.
00:59:23.000But then the Israeli forces started abusing them.
00:59:26.000Hezbollah formed after the Iranian revolution with some support from Iran, and they became one of the most powerful forces in resisting Israel as it consistently attempted to
01:00:16.000Hassan Nasrallah is their spiritual leader.
01:00:18.000And he is an ally of Iran, but not a proxy.
01:00:22.000In many ways, he can influence the strategic calculus that Iran makes.
01:00:27.000And they do also have Christian supporters because they're like a state within the Lebanese state.
01:00:37.000And they prioritize resisting Israel, which is really popular there, whereas the Lebanese army is totally trained by the US, just like the Palestinian Authority.
01:00:49.000They don't do anything when Israel attacks.
01:00:51.000And Israel has done so much damage to Lebanon that Hezbollah is just popular.
01:00:57.000And Hezbollah intervened in Syria in order to defeat Al-Qaeda.
01:01:01.000I actually went to one of the villages where they intervened called Malula, which is the oldest Christian settlement in all of the Middle East.
01:01:09.000Actually, the Passion of the Christ, if you saw that, all of the extras from the Passion of the Christ came from Malula.
01:01:57.000And when you understand the Kurdish-Turkey pipeline as one small story in all of this, I would say on the surface, it seems that all of this, everything we're talking about, is about supplying Europe with cheaper energy to compete with U.S.
01:02:57.000So the point is, this is blowing back this entire drive for war with Iran, regime change in Venezuela, turning Ukraine into an unsinkable aircraft carrier.
01:03:11.000It's destroying Europe, which the U.S.
01:03:16.000kind of likes for now because we sell them our liquid natural gas that they weren't trying to buy, but it will eventually come back here and it's hurting the American consumer already.
01:03:25.000So, we're going to pull up the map real quick.
01:03:27.000For those that don't understand, there's a story, I think it was in 2012, The Guardian reported that as of 2009, U.S.
01:03:34.000intelligence wanted to destabilize Syria because we wanted to build a natural gas pipeline from, I believe it was the Persian Gulf, through Iraq.
01:03:58.000Syria is allied with Russia and outright refused to allow this.
01:04:01.000Of course, they also have, Russia has a military base in Tartus, which is, where is, there it is, right here.
01:04:08.000And so, conveniently for the United States, whatever you believe, Syria falls into civil war with the United States on the side opposing Assad, whatever side that may be.
01:04:17.000And it seems like now with Ukraine, with Burisma, all of these things are deeply connected to, we are trying to get cheap energy into Europe.
01:06:00.000Yeah, so George W. Bush, they're calling him Hitler, they're waving these signs at him with the Hitler mustache.
01:06:03.000So I'm like, okay, well I'll vote for Obama.
01:06:05.000And then I think it was like within a few weeks, actually I think it was like three days later, after his inauguration, Women and children killed, 23 or so.
01:07:09.000He killed, he killed, I think he killed more American citizens than any other president.
01:07:13.000I mean, I think he's the only, well, he's the only guy that ever targeted American citizens is the only one Lee without yeah and and target him without without judicial, you know without due process What it just I'm just so disgusted by all this man signal the idea that we've talked I can't remember who I was arguing with but they were saying that the president has a wide What's what's the birth?
01:07:36.000Not birth, but like a mandate in terms of defending this country, and if that means American citizens overseas.
01:08:29.000As I occupy Wall Street, And they were having a General Assembly meeting to determine what should be the goal, and one guy stands up, waving his arms like, you just said, fracking is everything!
01:09:57.000They fought against the Russians, the Dutch.
01:09:59.000Ian, I think what you're describing is the fact that when the Federal Reserve came into being, it allowed the government to print money, which allowed the government to finance war.
01:10:23.000Maybe, but the point is that the existence of the Federal Reserve unleashes, and basically not just the Federal Reserve, but money that's not actually pegged to gold.
01:10:36.000They can manipulate it much easier if they're printing money that's not pegged to gold.
01:10:40.000The existence of the Federal Reserve is what really gave governments, specifically the United States government, the ability to fund wars.
01:10:49.000And when you have the ability to fund wars, then they'll go ahead and they'll look for reasons to go to war.
01:10:54.000But it's not like all the wars that you're describing.
01:10:57.000are not the same thing. I think it's all one war. They say World War I and World War II.
01:11:01.000It's semantic in my opinion. World War I and World War II are. It's the same thing.
01:11:04.000Then you need to go back further than that. You need to go back to where these alliances
01:11:07.000come from. I'm talking about this war began in 1914. This is a world war. It's been going on
01:11:12.000for 110 years and it's banker controlled. Okay, you are ignoring the history of Europe.
01:11:17.000There's other wars that have happened.
01:11:18.000I'm not saying that this is the first war.
01:12:10.000So, Ian, the world wars of the 20th century were wars of ideology.
01:12:18.000It was really people figuring out because in the in the 18th or in the 19th century, you had the basically the Industrial Revolution made it possible for people to not live just agrarian in an agrarian society.
01:12:31.000You had people going to cities and stuff.
01:12:33.000You had this massive explosion in people that could be become philosophers and blah blah blah.
01:12:38.000And so In the 19th century, there was a lot of philosophers. They
01:12:42.000came up with the ideas of socialism. Fascism was the idea was created. Liberalism was
01:12:48.000a creation that was also in the 18th century. And the wars of the 20th or 19th century, I'm
01:12:53.000sorry, the wars of the 20th century, were kind of, or at least the first half, were kind of
01:12:58.000trying to hash out what system works best.
01:13:03.000You had socialism, you had fascism, you had liberalism, and the way that it worked out at the end of the 20th century is it looked like liberalism probably was the best system for humanity because it allows people to make mistakes without having it being a top-down control.
01:13:19.000So what you're describing is really more of humans trying to figure out the best way to organize their societies and fighting over the way to organize because you went from Total war.
01:13:31.000Feudalism in the 19th century and then you went into capitalist societies and then that's where you had enough production where people could start to talk about socialism or fascism and whether the state should be in control or whether the individual should be in control.
01:13:47.000But these things are all symptoms or the wars that you're talking about are all symptoms of humans trying to figure out the best way to organize their society.
01:13:57.000We're currently in fascism right now and it's not working very well.
01:14:02.000We have private, corporate... Let me finish this because I want to go on, but there's a war between England and France called the Hundred Years' War.
01:15:28.000I understand what you're saying, but I'm trying to what I'm trying to do is give you a little perspective and or to pull you back from the brink, because we are actually in one of the most peaceful times in human history.
01:15:53.000announced he would run for president as an independent, more than $11 million gushed into the coffers of a Super PAC supporting him.
01:15:58.000American Values 2024 said it raised $11.28 million in just six hours following Kennedy's announcement in Philadelphia on Indigenous People's Day.
01:16:07.000Are they seriously going with that, Politico?
01:16:13.000According to a press release, millions of independent-minded Americans are seeing through the most powerful censorship and propaganda campaign against any candidate in American political history, said Tony Lyons, co-founder of the PAC, in a press release.
01:16:24.000They are angry at the DNC for attempting to disenfranchise them, eager to support an honest Democrat and more open than ever before in American history to an independent and honest candidate.
01:16:34.000So, I guess I'll just throw it to you, Max.
01:16:35.000I'm curious what your thoughts are on RFK.
01:17:21.000Likudnik kind of extreme pro-Israel dimension to it, which and started to seem like he was
01:17:29.000agitating for war with Iran. Wow. Didn't seem like... In his speech? Yeah. Yeah.
01:17:34.000I mean, if you watch, he did this weird event with Shmuley Boteach, who's this kind of like rabbi who runs around calling everyone an anti-Semite who won't do what he wants.
01:17:45.000He's paid by Sheldon Adelson, who was one of the biggest individual donors to Trump, who came in through Jared Kushner.
01:18:09.000So there's just been this feeling of deflation within the kind of anti-war movement, anti-war independent media, within the sectors of the left that initially supported him, the grassroots left.
01:18:21.000And yeah, the Democrats were always going to screw him over.
01:18:25.000And now the question is, what is he going to do as an independent?
01:18:28.000Because we knew, we know he was one of the boldest people in America speaking out against the propaganda and PSYOPing of the country during the COVID event.
01:18:39.000That would seem to drain from Donald Trump if he was an independent or whoever the Republican, a DeSantis.
01:18:46.000And I've, I mean, hasn't he, I've heard that as one of his recent rallies, he's been Attacking Trump in a more strident way.
01:18:54.000So, well, it's unclear what he's trying to do here.
01:19:07.000But I mean, in terms of your moral compass and your heart, if Trump beats Biden, how does that make you feel?
01:19:15.000Or if Biden beats Trump, like, does it matter to you?
01:19:20.000I mean, it matters, but I can't see myself voting for either of them.
01:19:27.000Just looking at it from a more objective point of view, not me.
01:19:32.000I think this election is so much about whether you trust the system or not.
01:19:37.000And so many people who just simply don't trust the system are going to vote for Trump just to give the finger to the system, not because they like him.
01:19:46.000The indictments, a lot of people who've been screwed over by the criminal justice system who are not traditional Republicans are starting to sympathize with him.
01:19:55.000The things he says about the system, about the deep state, the national security state, the media.
01:20:05.000I mean, having been in the media for 20 years, it's like you get all the worst people in the country in one place and then just let them go crazy and dominate your mind.
01:20:12.000So Trump is the... I mean, I loved when he would call the media, the corporate media, the enemy of the people.
01:20:49.000I think he's running a bad campaign and I think he goes to DC and then he just says, you know, let's, let's negotiate and play ball.
01:20:55.000Yeah, Donald Trump, I think, is just, at this point, he wants revenge.
01:21:00.000That's the joke we made, we made the poster of him that says revenge on it.
01:21:03.000And if he fires a bunch of people, I'll take what I can get.
01:21:05.000I don't, like, when it was Trump versus Hillary, I just thought it was W2, it was garbage.
01:21:11.000Like, Hillary Clinton is a psychopath, she's a sociopath, she wants to murder people, she was Secretary of State under Obama, and all of that bloodshed, I'm like, I'm in New York.
01:21:22.000You're not getting me to vote for this lady.
01:22:04.000Well, I mean, look, Joe Biden is the perpetuation of the establishment, warmonger, warthog, garbage, neolib, neocon machine.
01:22:12.000And Donald Trump is an extremely imperfect loudmouth who at least told us a bit of the truth, tried to get our troops out of Afghanistan and Syria.
01:22:23.000So if you don't like his policies, if you don't like his character, if you don't like his attitude, I understand this libertarian argument where they're like, Trump is bad.
01:22:30.000Here are all the really bad things he did.
01:22:31.000And I'm like, doesn't it suck that he was better than all the rest?
01:22:34.000And they're like, well, that's not saying much.
01:22:37.000I mean, there are things Trump did that I found absolutely horrible, like the trillion-dollar tax cut is, from where I'm coming from, it's just fueling the economic crisis people are in.
01:22:49.000And where I live, in Ward 8 in D.C., I mean, you just see total desperation.
01:22:53.000There is no program, there's no social safety net for anyone, and it's fueling homicide.
01:23:01.000Donald Trump did some off, you know, he brought John Bolton in, he brought Nikki Haley in, he brought H.R.
01:23:07.000McMaster in, he brought Jared Kushner in, he let Ivanka show him pictures of Syrian children supposedly, and then acted on a false flag to fire missiles.
01:23:43.000I think all those criticisms of Trump are absolutely fair, and then it's still like he crossed the DMZ into North Korea, and it's like, no new wars, perpetuation of wars for sure, an effort to wind down and get us out of Afghanistan when he brought the Taliban to Camp David, he got attacked for it, and I'm like, negotiate!
01:24:01.000And he tried getting our troops out of Syria, except for the oil, and they lied to the American people about it.
01:24:07.000And my attitude is just, I'm not saying you have to support him or like him, but it's like, and you don't have to comment at all, that's up to you.
01:24:13.000I'm just saying for me, I look at it like, yeah, Trump may be in general bad.
01:24:18.000I don't know if a president could be good, but he's better than, he's the best president I've had in my life.
01:24:23.000No, I understand why people feel that way.
01:24:26.000As a journalist, I'm just not going to be drawn into being like a court voice for a candidate.
01:24:31.000It's because they're always going to disappoint you.
01:24:34.000What Trump shows is just he lifts the mask on the fact that there is what you could call a deep state.
01:24:41.000I just loved when he was in front of the helicopter or whatever and he was like, we're doing this weapons deal with Syria, it's going to be great for the economy.
01:24:48.000And then all the anti-war left, they were just like, he just said it.
01:25:09.000I mean, I know that he gave the CIA unprecedented powers to carry out black operations, including assassinations.
01:25:16.000The CIA, which is funny because the CIA also was working against Trump.
01:25:22.000I mean, John Brennan was running Russiagate.
01:25:25.000And once you're in the CIA, you're always in the CIA, like John Brennan being former CIA and then going on MSNBC and calling Trump a traitor.
01:25:40.000Yeah, I mean, they say no new wars, but he empowered the deep state by giving CIA authority to do a secret assassinations.
01:25:46.000And he also, the Abraham Accords on their face sound neat.
01:25:48.000But like you were saying earlier, it put the Palestinian people in an icebox and gave the like the kings of Israel and Saudi Arabia, the actual head of Israel, not literal kings, but the leaders, I should say, Emirates, What happens if he fires people?
01:26:03.000What happens if he really starts draining the swamp?
01:26:05.000who are the least democratic, we're gonna get a complete win-win situation
01:26:10.000under the Abraham Accords, but so much for that.
01:26:13.000But so I just don't, I don't think you can trust what Trump will do.
01:26:16.000It was his personnel that really- I think he'll fire people.
01:27:19.000And I knew people that were on the campaign trail with him in 2015, said he only eats McDonald's, and the joke was, he just loves fast food.
01:27:27.000The issue is that when you walk into a McDonald's, the burger's already made, and you can say, that one right there, and you know it's not been tampered with.
01:28:01.000OK, George Wallace was running as, I think, an independent candidate in 72, and he was going to harm Nixon because he had a lot of Republican, you know, Southern support.
01:30:04.000And so the attitude of so many people in power is all that matters is power.
01:30:08.000You know, and then there are the classically liberal individuals, and I don't mean the literal political liberal, I mean people who hold some of these traditional American views of honesty, integrity, negotiation, cooperation, which exist in a lot of different, you know, peripheral political philosophies.
01:30:26.000And these people think they're playing a good fair game with the predators who are laughing behind their backs.
01:30:31.000Speaking of the history of our nation and predatorial behavior, how they're like, land grab!
01:30:35.000And they're like, well, there's people there.
01:30:50.000The issue is in, uh, if I was a farmer, And an animal came onto this land and said, my family has been here for a thousand generations eating the plants that grow here.
01:31:03.000Does it belong to the deer and the rabbits that were eating the plants?
01:31:06.000Or the human who put fences around it and said, no, my family gets this now.
01:31:09.000There's the de facto rule of ownership, which is whoever's there and can take it and control it.
01:31:14.000And then there's the du jour type of ownership, which is, I have the paperwork that says this is mine.
01:31:19.000Well, that's when there's a monopoly on violence elsewhere that you can appeal to authority to come and agree with you.
01:31:26.000But at a certain point, conquest is a real thing.
01:31:29.000I think we're trying to advance to a point where we resolve matters through rules and legal channels, like I was mentioning, with a classically liberal approach.
01:31:38.000But I don't think you get rid of predators.
01:31:41.000And if they can't use force, they'll use coercion.
01:31:46.000Jordan Peterson talks about the way that we interact as a game.
01:31:50.000So we all kind of decide that we're going to play this game, and we agree to the rules.
01:31:55.000And if you're a liberal, and you live in the United States, and you want to have a normal kind of life, You will abide by the rules of the game.
01:32:06.000The people that don't want to abide by the rules of the game actually are the people that have more power than the people that want to abide by the rules.
01:32:15.000If you decide you don't want to play and you want to use violence to acquire things, the rest of the people are going to say, well, we have a situation where we have a Process to take care of that and that's police and that's the judicial system etc.
01:32:34.000But at the end of the day That only works because you have people that are willing to use violence and force to make the person that decided to step outside of the rules of the game play by the rules.
01:32:48.000And the only rule, once you step outside of the rules of the game, then the rules are just violence.
01:32:55.000So Max was talking earlier today about the behaviors of The Palestinians and they don't have any recourse, etc.
01:33:07.000But once you choose violence, then it's just a matter of who's got more power.
01:33:12.000In my opinion, for the Palestinians to choose violence is a terrible decision because they're going to get the shit stomped out of them.
01:33:18.000Because of the fact that Israel just has more military power whether or not that and I'm not talking about right or wrong I'm just saying the actual conditions Mao said Actual political power comes out of the barrel of a gun and in you know starship troopers the violence is the ultimate authority that that all other authority gets its power from and that is actually true and And so you have to decide, do you want to play by society?
01:33:43.000Do you want to have a society that has rules and has people that play by the rules?
01:34:24.000More than ever, our rights are determined by a donor class and an unelected group that's deeply embedded in the government that we can't even see.
01:34:31.000Well, that's what I think has caused a political realignment, by the way, where a lot of people on the left and right who see that are moving away from these traditional labels of left and right and forming a coalition against what people crudely would call the deep state.
01:34:46.000That's what we did at the Rage Against the War Machine rally in February is put aside the left-right boutique culture war differences and just come together because the fight against the Ukraine proxy war really was a fight.
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01:37:45.000MeShoots says, finally got someone smart on the show now Max can pick on you guys like how y'all pick on Ian because you know insecurity issues.
01:37:54.000I do love how polarizing you are with like there's a bunch of people being like you're so smart and you're so knowledgeable and others being like you're a fraud and a sham.
01:38:06.000I think the overall majority of people are just watching, like, the people who comment are like the top tier politically active individuals and they're gonna have very strong opinions.
01:38:15.00085% of people who are watching are just like, huh, Max, I'll look, I'll see what this guy's writing about and they'll, you know, Matt Gates pointed out that our audience is Super rational and super like logical and when he bumps into he's like you bump into like a Fox News viewer and they're like I saw you on TV once you bump into a Timcast viewer and they're like I thought about everything you said and I've written down this plan so much more you know involved Let's grab some more.
01:39:04.000I think it is completely reasonable to believe that to any degree, be it small or great, Israel did have foreknowledge of something.
01:39:14.000To then say that Israel stood down and allowed, like, these attacks and killings of civilians, I would lean against.
01:39:21.000I have no evidence, but it is completely within the realm of reasonability for a country to allow a thousand of their citizens to be raped and murdered and captured in order to go to war to destroy an enemy they want annihilated.
01:39:33.000Countries that have utilized this tactic.
01:39:38.000But I actually think it's not the simple answer.
01:39:41.000I think if we go by Occam's Razor, it's Hamas.
01:39:44.000Like you said, the targeting of civilians is leverage for them to negotiate the release of their people.
01:39:50.000So a military operation makes more sense.
01:39:55.000I suppose you could say Israel doesn't need this degree of conflict in order to justify what they're doing, especially as you mentioned, they shot people who are unarmed and there was no outcry over it.
01:40:05.000Israel has something called the Hannibal Directive in its military, which allows the military to kill its own soldiers if they become captive, if they are held captive, because the political price of them being held captive is so high.
01:40:19.000You know, they'd have to exchange thousands of prisoners or who knows what.
01:40:22.000And there's evidence that they have enacted the Hannibal Directive and attacked Hamas vehicles that were carrying soldiers back, live soldiers, back into the Gaza Strip.
01:40:34.000So I'm not... I think that cuts against the theory that they allowed this to happen because their fear of one soldier being captive is so extreme within the military intelligence establishment in Israel.
01:41:36.000Their economy thrives off of selling their spy tech abroad.
01:41:41.000They have an entire unit called Unit 8200 that goes into the tech sector afterwards.
01:41:47.000They were the founders of Black Cube, the company that Harvey Weinstein used to tail his accusers.
01:41:55.000They're making so much money as consultants.
01:41:57.000So everyone thinks they're so brilliant and we overestimate them.
01:41:59.000In fact, they're kind of a paper tiger and they just got humiliated by a bunch of guys on motorcycles.
01:42:04.000Yeah, but the conspiracy theorists, the people that hate Israel, they're really good at telling people that the Mossad know everything too.
01:42:13.000I mean, so maybe we overestimate it, but it's not that it's overestimated just because of the people that are like in supporting Israel or Israel.
01:42:21.000It's like, The people that hate Israel loved, they'll tell you Israel did everything, you know.
01:42:27.000My timeline on Twitter has been full of like, but don't you know the Jews control the sun and blah blah blah, you know, all kinds of like, man, Mossad!
01:42:36.000Yeah, so it is It is definitely something that the conspiracy theories have globbed onto and really push as well as, and you know, they're not going to stop, they're not, the Mossad and Israel's intelligence service, they're not going to be like, no, no, no.
01:45:01.000That's why I'm able to find common ground with people who are libertarians or conservative.
01:45:07.000Why I spoke at the Ron Paul Institute is, you know, we should not be over there.
01:45:12.000But I also think that's kind of an issue of, like, honesty and integrity.
01:45:16.000There are a lot of people that, you know, we describe these prominent left-wing personalities as just agreeing with whatever tribal position and refusing to have conversations.
01:45:25.000Like, their position will change with whatever the narrative is.
01:45:30.000Like, you know, I'm somewhat reluctant to bring it up, but... Progressives just means you follow the PSYOP at this point.
01:45:38.000It doesn't even have any principles attached to it.
01:45:41.000Yeah, they're like, we must support the war in Ukraine because that's the official corporate narrative.
01:46:36.000It was like this weird character came in there.
01:46:40.000Who is like this anarchist freak from Portland who had no journalistic chops and he concocted this vast conspiracy that involved me, you, Katrina Vanden Heuvel from The Nation, Stephen Walt, and we were all controlled by Vladimir Putin to enact this red-brown conspiracy to take over alt-media.
01:47:31.000But it's funny, I mean, it was a long time ago, but I think the interesting thing is, the only, I think the only thing that really connected all of us was we're, to varying degrees but greatly, anti-war and anti-intervention.
01:47:43.000Yeah, and so we're seen as a threat to the American order.
01:47:49.000I could go deep into that rabbit hole, but it's going to bore everyone watching this.
01:47:52.000But anyway, I called the Southern Poverty Law Center and said, this is bullshit.
01:47:57.000And they retracted all three like on the spot.
01:49:56.000Well, the Dalai Lama was a CIA asset, as were his forces, and they were being used As the the Uyghur nationalist movement was by the CIA to balkanize China and China went in.
01:50:11.000The population was living under a boy king in abject poverty and China went in and much of the population actually welcomed them because they started to get homes and to be able to not worship a boy king and have infrastructure and plumbing and electricity.
01:50:26.000But there's also a Tibetan exile nationalist movement that's just This isn't a judgment on whether they're right or wrong.
01:52:15.000And so, like, we've had some leftists on, and we have, like, these books, like, this book is gay, where it's got explicit material and kids should not be exposed to.
01:52:23.000Some leftists we bring on will say, no, I agree, you're right, that book should not be for kids, I don't know why they're even defending it.
01:52:28.000And I'm like, well, then you need to speak up, because you're saying nothing and, like, lowering your head, while these other people we've had come on the show just explicitly defend it and say kids should have it.
01:52:37.000And I'm like, you're just saying that because that's the progressive line of, like, the narrative, or the PSYOP.
01:59:38.000And then, uh, we really wanted to include in certain footage, which we have to get clearances on for copyright issues, and so I suppose it's just been delayed due to that.
02:00:50.000We just do straight up investigative journalism and we break the media blockade on all of these issues of war and peace, propaganda, intelligence, everything else.
02:01:28.000My friend said it last night and I like balked at him and I shut off the computer and I was sitting there and then it started to all kind of form and I was thinking of like Hawaii is so beautiful.
02:01:36.000You know that they don't want it, right?