In this episode, we're joined by James O'Keefe, Andy Ngo and Libby Emmons to talk about the modern state of journalism. We discuss the recent raid on Project Veritas and the implications for the future of journalism in the 21st century.
00:00:36.000My first thought was like, okay, they came here exactly when we were doing the show on purpose, knowing that we were in a difficult position.
00:00:43.000And now they're going to use this because I'm unavailable to basically run strategy and there's basically people here, security, and they're not going to know what to do in the face of this.
00:00:52.000And sure enough, the police, in my opinion, lied about exigent circumstances to enter the property and do that check.
00:02:04.000I'm the Editor-in-Chief with the Postmillennial.
00:02:06.000And of course, Lukard Kowski of We Are Change.
00:02:08.000Hey guys, you know, the media is pretty bad.
00:02:10.000I would say just as bad to the point where some people are making t-shirts comparing the media to the virus.
00:02:16.000I can't believe some people are doing that, but if you're interested in maybe some of those shirts and supporting We Are Change, you can go to thebestpoliticalshirts.com because you do.
00:03:26.000We'll talk about the modern state of journalism.
00:03:29.000Of course, most of you know, we hosted Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:03:32.000Within not even 24 hours, we were swatted.
00:03:36.000Then we hosted, I think, just like the next show, I think, after that was Micro, and we were slammed by a DDoS attack which exceeded a gigabit, which for those unfamiliar, I'm actually fairly surprised that was able to happen.
00:03:48.000It was like a several gigabit international botnet that attacked us.
00:03:51.000And so the work we do just on a talk show is, it's dangerous, especially for the establishment, for powerful interests.
00:03:58.000And of course, the work that all of you guys do is extremely dangerous.
00:04:00.000And thus, let's just talk about what happened with you, James.
00:04:03.000You have a development on the FBI raid on your headquarters and you.
00:04:57.000So a federal judge in New York, the Southern District of New York, also known as the Sovereign District of New York, because they're quite autonomous with their decision making, ordered the FBI to stop doing that and then order what's called a special master to oversee the FBI, which is very rare.
00:05:13.000You can count on one hand how often that happens.
00:05:16.000The federal judge citing journalistic privilege, Tim, and this federal judge was not a Trump appointee, he was an Obama appointed federal judge.
00:05:23.000And what was amazing to me when that happened was that the ACLU defended us, the Reporters Committee defended us, the Society of Professional Journalists defended us, which showed me there still is this very narrow consensus in this country between left and right.
00:05:38.000So today we filed a motion that the U.S.
00:05:42.000attorneys argued that we should pay for this special matter.
00:06:44.000We should just let the people of America know that at the New York Times, before they cover any story about, say, James, they call him and get permission first.
00:06:51.000Or before they release, you know, Donald Trump's tax records or his personal information, they of course get consent from the people that they're reporting on all the time.
00:07:26.000Yeah, it's not enough to just censor the stories on social media.
00:07:30.000Now they want to come after people for actually just doing the stories in the first place.
00:07:33.000I wonder what would have happened to the New York Post if these kinds of rules were in place last year.
00:07:37.000And then the New York Times, and you did a few shows on this since I last saw you, the New York Times published my attorney-client privilege documents.
00:07:46.000We do a whole show on that, but what's fascinating is that the New York Times actually did an article saying, it's a crime to transport stolen documents across state lines.
00:07:55.000Well, I guess the New York Times says it's a crime to transport stone, which means that every report of the New York Times should be in jail.
00:08:04.000Yeah, because that's especially the reporting that on you.
00:08:06.000I mean, maybe they should be rated by the FBI for publishing my attorney client privilege documents.
00:08:11.000But look at where the New York Times has gone.
00:08:31.000Who was it who was on who was saying that the New York Times, Bhatia Angersargon, that the New York Times has effectively just decided their audience is the upscale, upper-class, urban liberal, and they don't care about anybody else anymore, so that's just what they're going to pander to?
00:10:09.000And people come to my home at 6am, I'm not a morning person, my first thought when they open up, my first thought was, sorry to bang on your table, but I'm a show person, is how much time do I have until they break the door down?
00:10:25.000And I'm waking up, I'm pounding, I'm waking up and I'm thinking, okay, let me run to the door like in my underwear.
00:10:31.000And then I go to open the door and then before I turn the door, I was like, are they going to shoot me?
00:10:35.000How do I do this in a way where I don't get killed?
00:10:38.000And I opened the door and there's all these bright lights and they put me in handcuffs.
00:11:37.000But they still decided to raid you and people are theorizing that they did this because there could have been federal agents that were the ones that originally sent you this diary to kind of set you up to get an excuse to get into your electronic devices because they knew potentially someone else was reaching out to you for a bigger story that they needed to stop.
00:12:10.000I mean, even the New York Times reporter Mike Schmidt was, like, stumbling and bumbling and fumbling on MSNBC when asked, well, would they really raid the home if it wasn't actually by a diary?
00:12:30.000And that then implicates, well then you've got witness corroboration if the diary is true about inappropriate behaviors with children from President Joe Biden.
00:12:39.000It wouldn't be the first time there have been these insinuations.
00:12:46.000James, I do want to say that I think you made the right decision in passing up on the contents of the diary when you were originally in possession of it.
00:12:55.000What I tell young journalists and new journalists is that if you cannot 100% verify something, you don't report it out.
00:13:28.000People familiar with Trump's thinking have said he wants to beat children or some insane nonsense.
00:13:33.000The New York Times, Andy, the New York Times did a story about, they published the attorney-client memos, and a judge in New York has done an extraordinary act of telling them to sequester those attorney-client memos.
00:13:44.000And the New York Times wrote a headline that said, Documents show how far deceptive reporting practices could go before running afoul of federal laws.
00:14:01.000It's not so much that they lie, it's that they use this sort of, you have to like twist the newspaper article a little bit to know what they're saying.
00:14:10.000They don't say what's false, they omit.
00:14:14.000Well, so that statement's true, right?
00:16:06.000This is the contents of a secret grand jury subpoena.
00:16:09.000And why the hell are they leading me to the execution chamber?
00:16:12.000I am on the same team as these people.
00:16:13.000We are supposed to be speaking without fear or favor, which was the quote from Adolf Ochs, or whatever his name was, the founder of the New York Times.
00:16:20.000I'll just mention, Project Veritas had one of the most important stories, probably of our generation, the ABC Amy Rohrbach story with Epstein.
00:16:31.000Which contributed to this major investigation, which ultimately I think the Maxwell case is kind of being covered up.
00:16:37.000We can get into that stuff, but Veritas, that's not partisan.
00:16:41.000When you report on the story saying, this is a journalist saying, I had the interview, I had the story, and it didn't get out.
00:16:47.000That was exposing powerful establishment elites, covering up a very serious scandal as an understatement.
00:16:53.000But why is the New York Times going after you?
00:16:57.000You know, it's not just the New York Times.
00:16:59.000I mean, it is all of these news outlets that falsely frame everything about Veritas in an effort to harm you when you're doing stories about, you know, powerful corporations.
00:17:25.000The story we did last week on the Pentagon Papers, Department of Defense documents, which effectively are Pentagon Papers, trended number one on Twitter.
00:17:35.000Well, it's not a side detail that an agent of the state is working with media organizations to be the first to break these stories that are extremely damaging where you know you don't have to be charged with any crimes.
00:17:53.000It's the investigation and the reporting and media coverage on it that destroys reputations.
00:17:58.000What happened to James here with how while he still have marks on his hand from the handcuffs that he's getting requests from the press for comment when nobody else knows about it.
00:18:08.000Obviously agents of the state is working with the journalists and leaking information Similarly, when Roger Stone was arrested and CNN had been tipped off with the helicopter.
00:18:19.000I think, I just, let's just say, you know, when you look at despotic regimes and tinpot democracies, like these are like characteristics of it.
00:18:29.000I mean, this is disturbing and I don't, it surprises me that so much of the American public just kind of shrug their shoulders and, you know, praise these media organizations when I mean, I'm thinking right now, you know, with the state, you know, colluding with these big media companies to cover up malfeasance and corruption, it sounds fascistic.
00:18:54.000And I just wish there was maybe some organization maybe that was called like something opposed to fascism, like no fascism, or maybe anti-fascism.
00:19:30.000One of the things that the, I hate to put it in left-right terms
00:19:33.000because increasingly this seems to be about good versus evil.
00:19:36.000And I don't necessarily think those lines are clear, but the left tends to overplay their hand.
00:19:42.000They tend to take it too far and it ends up biting them in the ass.
00:19:46.000That was a beautiful moment when Ben Smith at the New York Times, and if Ben is watching this, Ben Smith, media columnist at the New York Times, defended me.
00:20:42.000That was an insane thing that happened, that Tom Cotton saying that the federal government should intervene in cities and deal with the civil unrest that was happening.
00:21:17.000Well, people I've covertly recorded I haven't released yet.
00:21:21.000Who have told me there is a schism there.
00:21:22.000But Tim, that was a beautiful moment in my life watching people who hate us.
00:21:28.000I think there still is some principle.
00:21:30.000There still is some overlap between the left and right in our society.
00:21:36.000It's probably a bit reductive, or maybe simplistic, but there's two big camps when it comes to whatever's going out the establishment.
00:21:43.000People who are willfully lying and manipulative for power, and people who are blindly going along and maybe just scared.
00:21:50.000So there's probably a lot of people who saw what happened with the New York Times and Tom Cotton's op-ed, and they're like, I just want to get through this.
00:21:56.000The problem I have with these people, it was Clifton Duncan tweeted, I'm probably going to screw it up, but he said that he's less concerned about those that are overtly engaged in malfeasance and evil, and he's more concerned about those who know what's going on but won't speak up.
00:22:36.000They're buying favors for themselves, literally trying to brainwash the American public so their agenda, their narrative will pass and clear no matter how absurd.
00:22:45.000They still push these ideas because these ideas are way more important than even the money that they put into these institutions that they're losing.
00:22:52.000What's so fascinating about that, though, is so we're at the Postmillennial.
00:22:55.000We, you know, I kind of think of us as the antidote to fear, right?
00:23:30.000Well, Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post in 2013, and after Google and Facebook snatched up most of these advertising models, hedge funds like Alden Global Capital, everything's been consolidated, newspapers are gone, investigative journalism is gone, ABC News cut their whole investigative bureau, and Jeff Bezos, in an extraordinary admission of the power of narrative amplified through big tech through his ownership of the Washington Post, said, quote, on a Medium post, My ownership of the Post is something I will be most proud of when I'm 90 and reviewing my life.
00:24:07.000His ownership of the Washington Post is his biggest achievement.
00:24:10.000And I found that really amazing insight into the power of narrative.
00:24:16.000I think the Washington Post and the New York Times, I may be giving them too much credit, are more powerful than all three branches of government.
00:24:23.000Because government speaks through them.
00:24:25.000Big tech prefers them and their algorithms.
00:24:42.000It's also Bill Gates that donates hundreds of millions of dollars to the corporate media.
00:24:46.000They don't need donations, but they willingly take it.
00:24:49.000And with that money, of course, comes the narrative that they push.
00:24:53.000If you're one of the higher-ups of these companies, and I've seen this first-hand, and you're looking at your bottom line, you don't care about the politics of the individual person writing stories.
00:25:31.000That means if there is a news story that is factual but would be offensive to the audience, we don't cover it.
00:25:36.000That's the modern... Like I mentioned with the New York Times, or I should say, to quote, I think it was Bhatia Angarsargan, that the New York Times has found their audience.
00:25:44.000They've said, screw everybody else, and that's what they're going for.
00:25:47.000But that's what almost every organization does, especially right now.
00:27:11.000And a lot of Trump supporters didn't like that.
00:27:13.000A lot of Trump supporters didn't like that, but he had four years of people saying that to him as the president, and I think he probably knows how much that sucks to be like in charge of everything and have people keep saying like, You know, FDT at you all the time.
00:27:27.000Yeah, but he said that he said this on the heels right after saying that it's hard to criticize Joe Biden because Joe Biden complimented him on all the work that he did with the vaccine.
00:27:37.000But that's sort of a that's a different situation.
00:27:39.000I mean, and also, let's not forget, like Donald Trump was a president.
00:28:08.000How often does CNN run, you know, Joe Biden has screwed this up, screwed that up, screwed this up?
00:28:13.000They did, they, what was it, Trump's coverage was 98% negative?
00:28:17.000And don't get me wrong, there is a lot of negative coverage about Joe Biden, and I think what happens is around August of last year, when we saw this flip in approval rating, Like you were mentioning, once someone says something, it makes it okay for the establishment or for the, you know, whatever you want to call it, democratic position, for the most part.
00:28:34.000All of a sudden, people start ragging on Biden, and then we see some articles popping up where they're like, oh, okay, maybe there's something here.
00:28:40.000But for the most part, the media is unwilling to step out of line with their own audience.
00:28:44.000And some of that's economics, and some of that is because there's been a proximity to their sources.
00:28:50.000They don't want to bite the hand that feeds them.
00:28:52.000And that's the difference between sort of the journalism that we're talking about in American Mockraker and their journalism is to represent, be the ombudsman for the so-called administrative state.
00:29:04.000Our whistleblower's release information the administrative state does not want revealed.
00:29:09.000That makes all the difference in the world.
00:29:10.000When a two-star general talks to the New York Times anonymously, we don't know the cadence or intonation of what that—we don't know what that person is actually trying to say.
00:29:20.000And now they throw out these terms misinformation and disinformation.
00:29:22.000We've talked about the New York Times lawsuit that I'm embroiled in, which is fascinating, because the New York Times admitted Tim in the response to our defamation lawsuit.
00:29:30.000They got the facts wrong, and they still haven't corrected the article.
00:30:53.000But this term misinformation, Tim, I think it's really about distrusting people to draw the acceptable conclusion based upon facts that are admittedly true.
00:31:03.000I don't think it's about untrue facts anymore.
00:31:05.000I think, look, let me pull up the story and get your thoughts on it.
00:31:17.000They also said there's, I believe, 45% would intern the unvaccinated, meaning they would take you to a designated isolated facility.
00:31:26.000I think 59% were in favor of house arrest.
00:31:29.000So when you see the alignment of the New York Times, when you see the media, when you see that there are this many people in this country who are willing to outright just arrest someone for speaking out against them, it kind of sounds like it's beyond just the media.
00:31:43.000There's something deeply rotten expanding or growing within the core of the American psyche.
00:32:07.000I question whether half of Democrats actually believe that.
00:32:11.000I think that's probably, I'm skeptical about the amount of people the media is telling you actually believe.
00:32:17.000What was the actual question on the poll?
00:32:20.000I suppose that would be a good one to pull up.
00:32:21.000We could definitely look that up, but I think the scarier aspect here is that a lot of these things that some of these Democrats are calling for are policies that are implemented already in other parts of the world, and Democrats and other establishment statists want to implement here in the United States.
00:32:38.00029%, according to this Rasmussen poll, Of Democrats supported to taking children away from ... people if they refuse to take the vaccine that's a policy ... that has already been instituted in some places in ... Canada when we talking about where we're talking about ... detaining people that's happening in Austria and ... Australia and in other parts around the world or ready so ... we have to understand that this slippery slope to ... dystopian total totalitarian nightmare crap hole society is.
00:33:08.000Very close to happening because of this kind of echo chamber delusional thinking that's being perverse by the corporate media So what I see happening is that there are very evil people like James mentioned earlier It's a battle between good and evil who know full well what they're doing and what their plans are they want to lock you up They want to take away your rights and they're lying about you on perfect on purpose Gleefully willfully and we're having a fairness battle.
00:33:31.000I don't think that they're going to win.
00:33:33.000I'm actually quite hopeful everyone's cynical and And it pisses me off.
00:33:37.000I mean, I talk about this too in this book, a chapter called Propaganda.
00:33:42.000Consent must be informed, not manufactured.
00:33:45.000All serious theories of democracy were republic, which is also a democracy, including the economic theory hinge on the notion that voters have reliable access to information.
00:33:54.000I think technology allows us to do that.
00:34:04.000Because of the information that we released.
00:34:07.000Documents inside the Department of Defense, DARPA, a Marine Corps major fellow at the Department of Defense, wrote about this COVID and wrote about the fact that It was too risky for the Department of Defense to approve what was going on.
00:34:22.000And that story, it was about the strength of the information.
00:34:26.000And I believe that human nature is such that if people are able to see it for themselves, first-hand participant journalism, not second-hand anonymous sources, I think we're going to prevent society's collapse by continuing to do that journalism.
00:34:41.000I mentioned this with, you know, CNN and MSNBC having a ratings collapse.
00:34:45.000Getting back to the darkness of this when we see this poll from Rasmussen, I do think it's fair to point out that maybe it's a bad poll from Rasmussen.
00:34:54.000Maybe the questions aren't right, but who knows?
00:35:09.000But not only that, but I mean, the riots were across the country.
00:35:12.000So when we're seeing some of the worst riots we've seen in 50 years, maybe, and I talk to people about the potential for civil conflict, civil unrest, or whatever, and they say, oh, it's not that bad.
00:35:22.000It's because we're frogs in a pot that are boiling.
00:35:39.000They are in line with each other, but it's not like they actively collude at a national level where like a message goes out and say, everyone, say Andy knows, you know, wrong.
00:35:50.000Yeah, I was quite naive in 2019 before I became more of a well-known figure and I was just a regional person in the Pacific Northwest.
00:35:59.000After my assault in the summer of 2019, that punches, kicks, and the milkshakes, the hospitalization for the traumatic brain injury, I was naive enough at the time that I thought the media organizations would be out to support me.
00:36:17.000I remember Jake Tapper, I believe, was one of the very few center-left journalists who issued a tweet that condemned what happened to me, and I really appreciated that.
00:36:27.000So much blowback that he ended up deleting that.
00:36:32.000And then all the hit pieces came out in a way that seemed sort of coordinated and James can speak to this and I was watching kind of in real time with in fascination at how they can destroy someone's reputation.
00:36:47.000There was initial outpouring support for me, so then what happened was a local blog in Portland interviewed somebody and gave this person a pseudonym.
00:37:35.000I wonder how long it's gonna last, though.
00:37:36.000You know, they go after Joe Rogan, the most popular podcast in the world.
00:37:40.000And the stupidest thing you can do is lie about Joe, because the 11 million people on average who watch his show, the 50 million who've seen some of his biggest shows, the people who are fans of MMA and know him, or who just watch his Netflix stand-up, they see this story and they go, yeah, that's not true.
00:37:56.000And all of a sudden, you lie about someone as popular as Joe, and people start waking up.
00:38:01.000And now we're starting to see it, we're seeing a major shift.
00:38:03.000This poll came out, Gallup released this, one of the most credible polling institutions, that as of the fourth quarter of 2021, more people identify as Republican or Republican-leaning than Democrat for the first time since I believe it was 1991.
00:38:16.000There actually may have been a period around the 2000s where it was fairly even between the two, but this is a gap now of five points, right?
00:38:23.000I'm not saying Republicans are the right answer.
00:38:25.000Or that, you know, Democrats are always the wrong answer.
00:38:28.000But regular people are looking at the establishment.
00:38:30.000They're associating it with one side of the political spectrum and saying, I don't want to have anything to do with that.
00:38:35.000It's Joe also influencing people like Dana White, influencing people like Aaron Rodgers that are going out there and speaking these larger truths.
00:38:44.000And some people would say breaking the mass psychosis, the mass formation psychosis that, of course, the corporate media in unison tells us doesn't exist.
00:38:53.000As of course the Financial Times literally calls for psyops, as of course even the Canadian Joint Operations Command even admittedly said that they have relied on propaganda techniques used in Afghanistan with COVID because they saw it as a unique opportunity to test out their propaganda techniques on the general public.
00:39:13.000You know what you were saying about Joe Rogan, that's why they try and silence him.
00:39:16.000That's why these doctors and researchers and scientists came out to try and Not fair to call them that.
00:39:22.000Not fair to call them the doctors anymore.
00:39:33.000Okay, so the letter written by a bunch of hacks, a few of whom claim to be doctors apparently.
00:39:40.000You know, they're going after Joe Rogan, they're going after all of these people because they don't understand that the American people can see lies, that they can see, you know, these falsehoods that are being forced upon them.
00:39:55.000And, you know, Americans go after the truth.
00:39:58.000That's one of, I think, our characteristics.
00:39:59.000I want to go back to what Andy was saying, because you're talking to a man here who has effectively suffered.
00:40:04.000I think that's fair to say in some form or another.
00:40:29.000I'm never going to be fully zero, because I'd be a sociopath if I was zero.
00:40:33.000But I just want to talk a little about that for a minute, because it's a theme that I think is very important to discuss here, because it is a prerequisite for being effective.
00:40:42.000You know, I wrote about this, that this is an age where the loss of one's Twitter account is treated like the loss of one's life.
00:40:49.000Imagine if everyone watching this did not care if they took away the Twitter account.
00:41:00.000But the moment you stop worrying about that and you don't let that handcuff you, pun intended, is the moment you're actually able to actually be free to do the things and do the journalism.
00:41:44.000In the beginning of my journey, I questioned my own perception of reality.
00:41:50.000But once you get through that and get through the other side of it, which I think you have, I think any survivor of that sort of abuse develops superpowers.
00:42:00.000Like, you're a stronger man than you were, you're a better journalist than you were, and you're wiser than you were.
00:42:07.000And what I've learned is the moment you... I've said this to you before.
00:42:11.000The moment you really stop caring about what Wikipedia thinks of you and what Jack Dorsey thinks of you... They've already taken away our Twitter accounts.
00:42:35.000I remember during Occupy Wall Street, I got a big surge of followers on Twitter.
00:42:40.000And with that, a big surge of people saying really mean things to me.
00:42:43.000And it was the first time I'd ever experienced a wave of hundreds and thousands, hundreds to thousands of people just saying the nastiest fake things about me.
00:42:53.000And for a minute, I kind of freaked out.
00:42:55.000I was like, what does this mean for me?
00:43:28.000People need to understand that if someone is attacking you, if you're giving them power in that by reacting to it, you're playing into their games.
00:43:35.000And I think a lot of us in this room have dealt with a lot of crazy stuff.
00:43:39.000Me and Tim had to deal with the police raid as well.
00:43:47.000I think, James, you went through your stuff.
00:43:50.000The amount of craziness that we have to deal with, we have to understand, is nothing new.
00:43:55.000This is something that, of course, the people who don't like the bigger truths exposed, usually those are the techniques they use against effective people exposing them.
00:44:39.000So we talked a bit about law enforcement, FBI going after you, James, but I'm interested to hear from you, Andy.
00:44:45.000You're dealing with a different kind of bad guy.
00:44:47.000You're dealing with Extremist organizations that are really angry you've been exposing a lot of their people and their violent groundwork, we can call it.
00:44:56.000Not only are you dealing with these people making up lies about you, posting constantly, but physically attacking you and threatening you.
00:45:03.000So I'm interested in this perspective, your take on journalism.
00:45:06.000We've heard from James on the institutional powers, but what's happening with groups like Antifa and these other far-left extremists targeting you?
00:45:15.000Well, crucially, what makes them particularly empowered is that the narratives that they are able to spread in the mainstream press haven't really been challenged.
00:45:31.000So the various riots that happened after Trump were elected were treated essentially as peaceful protests of people reacting in anger against his election win.
00:45:45.000Rather than as people who were rejecting and using violence to voice their opposition to the electoral process.
00:45:55.000You're saying there was an insurrection among the far left in DC where they smashed windows and set limousines on fire and were attacking people?
00:46:03.000Yeah, so the language really matters, right?
00:46:07.000Pay attention to what is described as a peaceful protest, mostly peaceful protest, versus insurrection, right?
00:46:13.000It's not, the differences are, that contrast is intentional.
00:46:20.000And Antifa rely on allies in the press because obviously what they do would be unpalatable for the majority of the public if the public was accurately informed.
00:46:32.000You know, those wanton acts of arson, maiming and injuries of other people, killing people, carrying out terrorist attacks such as attacks on government buildings, government facilities, police stations, trying to derail trains.
00:46:49.000They actually did derail train, didn't they?
00:46:50.000Yeah, there were two convictions last year in Washington state and that claim.
00:46:54.000Where is the, I'm sorry, I started to talk, but where is CNN headline breaking New York Times front page, far left extremist derail train?
00:47:14.000The claim of responsibility was posted on this far left extremist group site called It's Going Down, which was banned by Facebook, by the way, last year, still operates openly on Twitter.
00:47:25.000A Trump supporter could fart in DC and it becomes a headline story.
00:47:31.000They were pouring concrete or something like that?
00:47:33.000I don't want to get into too much detail, but they were trying to sabotage train tracks, which can cause not only excessive property damage, but could kill people.
00:47:43.000That is an attempt to kill and the amount of damage from derailing these trains, as much as many people on the left don't like to get into the economics of it, it could cause people great suffering in terms of not being able to eat.
00:47:52.000There are poor people who rely on food coming in and resources from local governments to help them.
00:47:57.000This level of disruption could have literally killed people directly involved in the train and then have massive repercussions for the poor and the suffering in these cities.
00:48:23.000And there are so few people who are focused on the Antifa beat that it makes the few of us who do it really subjected to actual violence, continued threats of violence and threats of violence against our family.
00:48:36.000And if you happen to live in a city that I lived in, Portland, Oregon, where in my view, the rule of law is compromised, police departments don't have the resources to respond.
00:48:46.000and the local government is so corrupt that they express support for these extremists,
00:48:51.000then you have essentially a sort of approval from state actors.
00:48:56.000Why do you think that other outlets and other journalists don't want to cover these guys?
00:49:01.000Because a few journalists who have, who are from establishment press, experience what
00:49:06.000it's like to be suddenly targeted online.
00:50:34.000So, I mean, if we look at, for example, protests at the Capitol, for example, I was talking to an attorney, Marina Medven, who represents, you guys probably know who she is, represents some January 6th protesters or rioters, whatever you want to say and there's this rabbi who she's representing who is
00:50:53.000being charged with parading and it's a misdemeanor and her argument he's you
00:50:58.000know they're trying to sentence him to all this long prison term well longer than
00:51:02.000necessary like six I don't know some days prison term and her argument is that
00:51:07.000people who were arrested for protesting in the capital against Brett Kavanaugh
00:51:14.000So why is this rabbi getting like this excessive sentence and excessive fine when he was in there for less time for like five minutes and left?
00:52:01.000Luke and I were at a big meeting in France, and they say to everyone outright, you could end up in prison for the rest of your lives and charged with terrorism.
00:52:45.000It's at the heart of their, for lack of a better word, religion.
00:52:48.000And I think they're willing to act upon their ideals.
00:52:51.000And from my perspective, I think we can learn from their faith.
00:52:55.000to act not break the law but not worry about being shamed in some regards the modern day
00:53:02.000equivalent of giving up your your lively life livelihood you're giving up your livelihood
00:53:06.000yeah we and your reputation yeah and your and your account they don't care we had darren beat
00:53:11.000for speaking out we had darren beat they're not afraid they're not afraid darren beaty said he
00:53:16.000thinks that the right and i'm probably i'm paraphrasing but i think the general idea was
00:53:20.000the right is actually more prone to cancel culture than the left because the right has more people
00:53:24.000scared of the mainstream opinion against them.
00:53:28.000So they're willing to tell people who are either to the right of center or, you know, who are more conservative, traditional conservative, They're not going to defend them.
00:54:35.000The New York Times, CNN, these big companies decide there's a big story, and then people in politics try and jump on it to address the issue.
00:56:01.000I wonder if there's something else we don't know yet.
00:56:04.000The FBI maybe got worried that you had a whistleblower with some information, and the only way they could figure out what stories you were working on was to drum up some fake search warrant to get access to your documents.
00:56:14.000Well, the problem with that strategy is that most of my employees I'm the CEO of the company.
00:56:30.000We can see it, like you mentioned, Libby, how they're going after these January 6th guys with extreme charges relative to what the left has done.
00:56:49.000They couldn't hold any charges against them.
00:56:50.000Well, and that goes on in so many of these cities that are Democrat-run, and they've just taken that strategy, and they're using it all over the place.
00:56:56.000Gascon and the DA in LA does this catch-and-release thing.
00:57:02.000The new DA in New York has promised to do something very similar.
00:57:05.000It's going to make the city that is crumbling even worse.
00:57:09.000In New York, just really quickly, in New York, there was activists being arrested for eating without a Vax Pass, eating without permission from the government, when a woman was murdered yards away from from the police is prioritizing vaccine domestic passports
00:57:24.000over literal murders that happen and this is happening under the
00:57:26.000Eric Adams administration that promised campaigned to be tough
00:57:30.000on crime and this is happening in the city right now it's absolutely ridiculous. Well they also promised to be tough
00:57:36.000on vaccine mandates and they've continued that as well. To the
00:57:40.000extent where people are literally being thrown in front of trains. Well they're not doing anything I mean they're
00:57:45.000arresting you know who don't have people have been permission
00:57:48.000People have been being thrown in front of trains for some time.
00:57:51.000That's actually not new in the city, although it is horrifying and terrifying.
00:58:00.000Andy and I were talking about this earlier, that so many of these cities that are Democrat-run What was our conversation?
00:58:08.000I feel like I'm blanking, but we were talking about that.
00:58:10.000By mid-December, there were a dozen cities in America that had surpassed its historical record on homicides and murders, Portland being one of them, and there were 11 others.
00:58:22.000I'm not sure if there were, by then, you know, the end of 2021, if there were More than that, it's a direct consequence that will be felt for years and years of the political and social changes in our culture after George Floyd died.
00:58:40.000Right, and it's like social justice initiatives are not going to make cities safer, it turns out.
00:58:47.000It's just going to make it worse for the very people that you're claiming to try and protect.
00:58:51.000But I wonder if that's, you know, these people aren't trying to protect anybody.
00:58:56.000Well, they're trying to protect themselves and the people who read the New York Times.
01:00:46.000They're requiring five-year-olds not only be vaccinated but also wear a face mask.
01:00:51.000Just to go to, you know, like whatever, the Olive Garden in Times Square, which I don't know why anyone wants to go there, but still, anywhere to go to the Met.
01:01:02.000Have any of the politicians or activists who demanded that police be defunded apologized that their project resulted in historical numbers of black and brown people and vulnerable people dying in urban areas?
01:02:01.000As people who live in the community were begging for the violence to stop, and outside forces were exploiting it and burning down their buildings, prominent left-wing activist media said it was a good thing.
01:02:11.000Yeah, it was revolution, and I'm like, the people who live there aren't doing this.
01:02:23.000And this is why narrative is important, because when the mainstream left essentially puts out this, is platforming people who are arguing in support of violent extremism and criminality, That shifts the whole Overton window and I think we've seen that very clearly.
01:02:45.000We've seen that slowly in the last six years in the opinion sections of the New York Times.
01:02:49.000I mean they publish some really awful things like I'm still disturbed by that one piece of the the parent asking if his black child should have white friends.
01:03:09.000And we've seen, you know, as all that violence was happening in 2020, where it wasn't just property destruction, we had at least 26 people who died as a result.
01:03:20.000So there were some instances where people died indirectly as a result of the riots, like roads being closed, ambulances being blocked, things like that.
01:03:28.000And then you had the overt murders, people like David Dorn, who were just killed in these riots.
01:03:34.000Reporting that I will always give a shout out to Michael Tracy where he actually drove to these small towns It was it was it was a cow and Yanka.
01:03:49.000Michael Tracy went, he drove across the country and he went to these very small towns and he saw boarded up windows, spray paint saying, please don't hurt us, things like that.
01:04:05.000BLM, far-left extremists, and Antifa took over six blocks of a major American city, created a hard border, and had people with guns guarding these checkpoints.
01:04:16.000You know, it was allowed to go on three weeks, people died there.
01:04:19.000On the wind, and this was a really heavily densely populated area, the businesses on there had signs that said, black-owned business, Asian-owned business, person of color-owned business.
01:04:30.000As sort of these, I mean, it seems really kind of like medieval, right?
01:04:33.000It's like, please, please don't harm us because every inch of that entire six boxes vandalized.
01:04:43.000I have to wonder, you know, we often talk about civil war or civil unrest or whatever, in I guess a funny twist or whatever, or however you want to describe it, when Luke was reading about post-pandemic civil unrest is when we got swatted.
01:04:58.000So I'm curious, Luke, if we never actually, I don't think I have to flesh out what was going on with that.
01:05:03.000As we're looking at what happened with CHAZ and with Minnesota and with all this stuff, I think there's a real possibility that not only was it were we already likely to see civil unrest because of the pandemic lockdowns, but you add to this the fact that Black Lives Matter rhetoric and writing over the past few years has never been checked.
01:05:22.000I think that's going to lead to something, you know, substantial.
01:05:24.000Especially when you consider the economic factors that are also adding a lot of stress to the entire system with people finding it harder and harder just to find commonly household used items.
01:05:36.000The store shelves are also being emptied, not just because of the winter storm, but because of the global supply chain shortages and the problems that have started that we still haven't felt the full effects of.
01:05:46.000So when you combine all of that and the historical pretext for unrest when it comes to pandemics, This is a recipe for disaster, especially at the state that the United States is in right now, with what people are calling a decline of an empire.
01:06:00.000There's a lot of things coming together all at once, but it's a storm that's absolutely dangerous to be in.
01:06:06.000The BLM riots and the Antifa riots, it wasn't that they were only unchecked.
01:06:11.000They were encouraged, and those rioters were encouraged to flout COVID restrictions.
01:06:27.000Well, Andrew Cuomo said and Bill de Blasio said that if contract tracers spoke to people who had been protesting for social justice, they were not to ask them if they had been, you know, not to ask people, have you been doing this in order to help the contract tracing?
01:06:43.000But it was in June of 2020 that there was a 10,000 person protest outside of the Brooklyn Museum of Art in Brooklyn.
01:06:55.00010,000 people out protesting to end violence against black trans people.
01:07:01.000And this was, the mayor said, this was more important than COVID restrictions.
01:07:13.000And then at that moment, I was like, and everything you have said and everything you are now going to say is a complete and total fabrication.
01:08:01.000And it was probably a bunch of these same stupid doctors and researchers and scientists who wrote the Rogan letter, who penned that letter saying that racial justice protests are reasonable reason to not adhere to COVID restrictions.
01:08:16.000You mean the dentists and nursing students?
01:08:44.000I take a look at the declining ratings of these institutions.
01:08:46.000I take a look at... We have this story actually from the post-millennial.
01:08:49.000Red Wave poll shows dramatic shift in party preference from Democrat to Republican at the end of 2021.
01:08:56.000So this is from Gallup, one of the most credible polling institutions, so they say.
01:09:00.000And we can see that around the third quarter, there was a big decline and a shift occurring.
01:09:05.000And by quarter four of 2021, Republican-sent identification outweighed Democrat by five points.
01:09:11.000This is for the first time in a couple, like 20 years, maybe.
01:09:15.000There was a period, I think, in, like, 2010s where it was fairly even, but we haven't seen this pronounced of a flip since, like, 91.
01:09:22.000Now, I don't think Republicans are necessarily the answer.
01:09:25.000I think voting in the primaries and voting for people who care about this country is the answer, but the fact that people are breaking away from the establishment narratives, from declining ratings, to party shift, I think matters.
01:09:36.000I think it's grounds for optimism, right?
01:09:38.000Well, I keep on plugging my book, but the second book you should reread every year is 1984, which is the year I was born.
01:11:32.000Well, good luck to your kids because if we don't change this, maybe your kids will be holding bayonets or whatever the modern equivalent of a bayonet will be.
01:11:39.000So we better give up our pensions and our mortgages.
01:11:43.000There's more to life than my mortgage.
01:11:45.000But it's really, you know, it's very difficult when you have so much to lose.
01:12:21.000What I'm saying is, if you have people who have a family and they have a home and they want to protect those things, they're going to go to great lengths to protect those things.
01:12:30.000They're not going to give them up until they're forced to.
01:12:38.000What if you're being asked to do unconstitutional legal things?
01:12:40.000Well, then we see people start to give those things up when they have to.
01:12:45.000And that's a different point for everybody, isn't it?
01:12:49.000When you live in a house, and you're surrounded by a wooded area, and there is a fire on the horizon, you have people saying, I think if we just sit around and do nothing, the fire eventually won't hit us and we'll get lucky.
01:13:03.000And it's like, or you can take action now, get your family out before the fire destroys your home.
01:13:08.000What we're seeing right now is that people aren't willing to go to great lengths to protect their friends and family or their children to make sure there's food on the table.
01:13:16.000They're looking at short-term gains and long-term losses.
01:13:20.000So the reason I use the forest fire analogy is that- This is like Chekhov with the trees.
01:13:41.000This is what Solzhenitsyn describes in the Gulag Archipelago, to survive at any price.
01:13:46.000And to survive at any price is the danger, because if you continue down this road, I like your analogy of long-term, you're going to live in a society which is permanently corrupted, where the lie becomes a permanent form of existence, and you have to sell out your own family to not go to the gulags, so to speak.
01:14:04.000James, when you're breaking rocks in the gulags, there's going to be a guy 10 years older and he's going to go, hey James, did I ever tell you about how my kid played soccer?
01:14:12.000I'm not defending people for not wanting to fight.
01:14:13.000My worst part about the gulags is the inevitable hunger strike because I like to eat.
01:16:45.000I just think we're entering a slippery slope and we have to encourage people to do the right thing and it will involve, without question, it will involve sacrifice and suffering.
01:18:07.000There's a lot of people who use that kind of justification, even in the White House press corps, that I personally know.
01:18:16.000I think .001% of people need to give up their pension, yes.
01:18:18.000Man, could you imagine if just a thousand people in one of these organizations just came out and said, we're willing to sacrifice our pensions?
01:18:27.000If every single person at any of these corrupt institutions, if they all just said, we hereby all agree we have scruples and won't do these illegal things, It wouldn't happen in the first place.
01:19:23.000But it's because, in my opinion, if you look at his Instagram, he said, YouTube gave me a strike, I can't work for a week because someone went to an old video and flagged it and got it removed.
01:19:33.000Here's a guy who's got a big, he's got a company of 10 people.
01:20:00.000I don't know what your psychological version of the rat, everyone's got their fears, but this is a slippery slope.
01:20:05.000And I don't know, I'm just quoting our whistleblowers that come to us.
01:20:11.000All of these people, these are not my words, they're saying, listen, there's I want my life to mean something, and I guess it is akin to what Jordan Peterson talks about.
01:20:49.000I don't think that that could get you.
01:20:51.000In 1984, the state knew your biggest fear and for Winston it was the fear of rats and that's why they put a bucket with a rat in it and it said the rat's going to eat your face unless you obey the state.
01:21:02.000This is, again, the dangers of the track, trace, and database society, the society that has the NSA snooping on every aspect of our existence, and it's not out of the realm of possibility to compare our current reality going towards a 1984 one, which James brings up all the time, which is on the money.
01:21:18.000The vaccine database thing. So in April, Jeff Zients at the CDC said that there was going to be no federal vaccine
01:21:25.000Jen Psaki said there was going to be no federal vaccine credential.
01:21:29.000And it actually turns out that after the OSHA mandate went through for federal workers,
01:21:35.000this Safety Guidelines Agency said, you know, helped to help federal agencies implement the vaccine mandate.
01:21:44.000They said and you will have to keep a database of who's been vaccinated and who isn't and the reasons for why the people didn't get vaccinated specifically religious exemptions.
01:21:54.000So it turns out that the OSHA mandate supersedes everything else for federal workers and there will be A bunch of different federal vaccine databases at all for the employees at all of these agencies.
01:22:06.000And I think unless I think it's very likely it will happen.
01:22:12.000Short of us actually speaking out and people who like watch the show, share this show, talk about these ideas, stand up for yourself.
01:22:19.000And I think more and more people are doing that.
01:22:21.000If they don't, the Supreme Court may strike down mandates for private companies, but give it five years and it will be commonplace unless you speak up now.
01:22:30.000Charles Murray said that government is in an advanced state of sclerosis where solutions are outside the legislative process in the courts.
01:22:38.000I think what we've experienced with the New York Times lawsuit is on point.
01:22:42.000I mean, even if the Supreme Court were to rule in my favor, the New York Times would say, Trump judge!
01:24:42.000One of the scenes, it's basically in the movie, the Republican Party is telling all of their right-wing nutjobs not to look up at the sky where the comet is coming to destroy the planet.
01:25:11.000And the Biden administration as well, that's saying that we need to stop disinformation, but they don't take any questions from reporters.
01:25:17.000And Dr. Fauci, who today on the World Economic Forum Zoom call was literally saying we need to fight disinformation for, quote, medical health, alongside, of course, Xi Jinping, who also was on the Zoom call as well.
01:25:29.000Well, and they only identify disinformation and misinformation as anything that goes against whatever the current narrative is, which is consistently changing.
01:25:39.000It goes back to the moment-to-moment flexibility in the treatment effects.
01:25:42.000We talk about engaging in conversation.
01:25:45.000Again, I tell my staff, we welcome the inspectors.
01:27:21.000And then, well, most people are sleeping at that time or not checking their email.
01:27:25.000And then your comment never makes it into the public story.
01:27:30.000Andy, I was going to ask you, how do you deal with the media coverage that you get dealt with?
01:27:34.000Do you have any kind of legal battles?
01:27:35.000Or what's your strategy when it comes to dealing with the media that attacks you?
01:27:41.000Um, well, I've come to, like James, come to ignore most of it.
01:27:47.000Unfortunately, I don't have the resources to do lawsuits against everybody who defames me.
01:27:54.000And in the US, deaf Proving defamation in a court when you're a public figure is extremely hard.
01:28:05.000And so the point of these negative pieces is to sabotage and ruin someone's reputation and also to demoralize them and to take up their time.
01:28:15.000I think it's been more effective for me to ignore most of it.
01:28:19.000When it's really egregious, then I'll respond.
01:28:22.000I think like so recently in December, a few weeks ago, I got an email at night from a journalist asking me for a comment about this federal lawsuit that was filed against me for a copyright violation.
01:29:21.000And within less than two weeks, the lawsuit was withdrawn.
01:29:25.000And so by then, you know, those left-wing media sites are not going to write these new follow-up stories about how this was a frivolous lawsuit that was a waste of everyone's time.
01:29:38.000But, you know, on the record, now people Google me again.
01:29:40.000In addition to all the hit pieces before, they see stuff like this.
01:29:43.000And now it's forever that, even though the lawsuit's gone, they can still say Andy Ngo has been sued for stealing content in the past, and it'll be forever.
01:29:52.000But I do have to issue a very strong correction.
01:29:54.000You see, I stated on this show that that lawsuit would be dismissed in summary judgment, and I was wrong.
01:30:00.000They withdrew it because it was a frivolous lawsuit, so it didn't even make it that far.
01:30:04.000But again, it's the smear that counts and that's what they were going for, at least in my opinion.
01:30:08.000The object of persecution is to break your will.
01:30:26.000If you haven't already, get those superchats in.
01:30:27.000We're gonna take questions, and I'm gonna do my best to try and go through good questions for, you know, for everybody here, so we can have some very serious conversations.
01:30:35.000And there's a ton of superchats, so I definitely won't be able to read everybody's, but smash that like button, go to TimCast.com, become a member.
01:30:40.000We're gonna have that members-only podcast up tonight.
01:31:57.000So, there's always a challenge in that... He's way too old at this point.
01:32:00.000A lot of the comments aren't questions, typically, and so I'm trying to make sure I can get a good question, but that means scrolling through and screening these, you know, maybe in the long term we'll find someone.
01:33:26.000But I went back because field reporting is extremely important.
01:33:30.000And James and Tim, you can test this because you did this.
01:33:34.000When the further you are away from the subject that you cover, you introduce more errors, right?
01:33:40.000That's how You get these journalists who are in bureau desk rooms in New York and D.C.
01:33:46.000who get things wrong, for example, about the Russia hoax.
01:33:49.000They just depend on these sources, right, rather than being on the ground and being able to verify things.
01:33:55.000I have been gone for a number of months, and I wanted to see how Antifa's violence had evolved towards the end of 2020 to the many months to 2021.
01:34:06.000And I was there undercover and observing and unfortunately they became suspicious because I wasn't riding with them.
01:34:16.000And they sent several feelers to come and question me.
01:34:19.000I write about this in the update for my book Unmasked.
01:34:23.000And one of them said, I remember they surrounded me.
01:34:33.000And even though I was in the middle of downtown, two blocks away from the Central Police Station, I knew I had no good options at that point.
01:34:49.000And well, they assaulted me really badly and that was when they had me on the ground and pinned on the ground and I could hear more of them running after me.
01:35:02.000And some of them had their cameras out, they were live streaming it, trying to get their comrades to come.
01:35:07.000Not all of them have the intention to kill somebody, but we've seen in these mob settings it takes one or two who are completely unhinged and have nothing to lose to do that kick to the head or the face, right?
01:35:18.000I was so fortunate that I was able to escape and run into that hotel and plead with them to lock the doors, to call police and Yeah, that whole entire experience has been really traumatic.
01:35:34.000And I remember there was a big debate online afterwards, and you weighed in, and you said, why would you willingly return to that situation, knowing, one, that you had been assaulted before, been under death threats, and go there without a good escape plan?
01:35:48.000I think that criticism was fair, but... First, I think, as many people pointed out, I was a little crass.
01:35:57.000Because I was on Twitter and I saw it and I tweeted something like, that was stupid, why would you do that?
01:36:03.000But my thought was, you wrote a book on Antifa.
01:36:08.000You're beyond just going into a crowd of these extremists and risking your life when you're at the point where, I suppose I should say, your work is too important.
01:36:19.000The knowledge you have, the experience you have, the connections you've made, the people you can connect, the information you have within you, would all be lost because you decided to go out that one night.
01:36:29.000Now, I think it's fair to say, I mean, it's your responsibilities in this regard in your work.
01:36:45.000Actually, you came up in this because many people pointed out that you go through new undercover reporters because if they get exposed, then you can't just keep using the same people over and over again.
01:36:54.000Well, you'd be surprised how much a ball cap and sunglasses can achieve.
01:37:00.000But yeah, I mean there's a lot to say about that, but I admire Andy.
01:37:05.000I admire your fearlessness or your ability to overcome your fear and go back there.
01:37:12.000Yeah, so that was, you know, basically it, I mean, on my part.
01:37:16.000Probably crass, my initial reaction, but I think the point is, we need you to keep doing your work.
01:37:22.000One of the reasons we're here today, talking about the work you've done and the experiences you've had and the threats you've faced, trying to cover something that the media basically covers up.
01:37:29.000How do we make sure that, like, the one journalist who knows how this system is working is not going to end up wiped off the map?
01:37:37.000And that the work you're doing expands into more journalism.
01:37:40.000I think it's great if the media is going to report on far right extremism.
01:37:51.000And we need more people to be doing it.
01:37:53.000So there's a fear in like, you would risk your life, but we need to get you to a point where you're expanding and getting more people on the ground, you know what I mean?
01:38:01.000That's the gist of it, but you know, other than that, I mean, I certainly, you know, empathize with what you went through.
01:38:06.000I don't think, I've never experienced anything to that degree.
01:38:09.000You know, I've certainly have had Antifa get in my face, but that was, you know, considering what they did with the milkshakes and attacking you, and you know, you were seriously, you were very seriously injured with traumatic brain injury.
01:38:21.000And then experiencing that again, I can certainly empathize and say, it's a dangerous job, man.
01:38:28.000What does this say about America, though, that in some urban areas of the country, you can't have journalists or citizen journalists or even just people, regular people with their phones out recording things that are happening in public, that you can just have mobs of violent extremists threatening violence and doing it with impunity for years.
01:38:49.000Why do you think that doesn't happen on the right?
01:38:51.000Like we have, you know, there's right-wing extremists and stuff like that.
01:38:55.000Why aren't they out there being crazy and beating up, I don't know, journalists?
01:39:02.000But there is, you know, if we look at the polling data, independent voters lean very heavily alongside conservatives in their opinions.
01:39:11.000We did an event in the Philadelphia area.
01:39:13.000We had far-left journalists that we know lie show up, and we let them come in, and knowing they're going to lie, we say, okay, do your thing.
01:39:20.000And they came in and lied and made up crazy stories.
01:39:24.000Well, I usually don't say anybody's names, but putting out these stories where they claim that security, their security was at risk in a casino.
01:39:47.000I mean, there's so many cameras in casinos that when the dealers are pulling out chips, they have to, like, move their hands out of the way and do motion specifically because everything is watched.
01:39:57.000For someone to come in and say, my security was threatened, oh please.
01:40:01.000You're in one of the biggest, most secure buildings in the city.
01:40:14.000Let's try and find some more superchats.
01:40:18.000Morgan asks, didn't Trump technically ban speech at his rally?
01:40:21.000I believe this is over the FJB comment, and the answer is yes, and it's important to call it out.
01:40:26.000And that also brings up a weakness among individuals like ourselves, whatever facts you want to call it, freedom, good, libertarian, whatever.
01:40:34.000Is that we have no problem being like Trump shouldn't ban speech.
01:40:37.000You can appreciate the sentiment, of course, that, you know, Trump's trying to be more cordial, but on the left, they don't play that game.
01:40:43.000They do have their circular firing squads, but it seems like it's usually for reinforcement of their, of their, uh, of wokeism as opposed to any real principle.
01:40:52.000I think it's interesting though, and we've talked about this before, the idea that on the left they're doing things a specific way and so why are we trying to uphold a set of standards and values that are not being upheld on the other side?
01:41:06.000This is something James was talking about.
01:41:07.000He's clearly very committed to his standards and his values.
01:41:10.000He's not going to let that be compromised.
01:41:14.000I think in times of crisis and when your values and when your standards are the most threatened is when you need to uphold them all the more.
01:41:21.000Yeah, but you're violating people's free speech.
01:41:23.000That's where a lot of people's issues comes up, saying, hey, why are you as an administration saying you can't say this specifically all for, you know, PR images?
01:41:31.000Listen, people have branded me, Tim, for years as this unethical, criminal, scum, lying, deceptive, editing me, jailed me, sued me.
01:41:40.000They have not physically attacked me, knock on wood.
01:41:43.000But what's remarkable is I have written a book with 800 footnotes, law review articles, journalism, ethics, essays.
01:41:51.000We wrestle and struggle with the ethics of what we do at Project Veritas, so much so that we almost torture ourselves about whether we should publish.
01:41:59.000And if I was a radical right-wing activist, I would have published Ashley Biden's diary.
01:43:44.000So your point is the logic of that seems to presuppose that they are left-wing.
01:43:50.000But the left tends to, as the late Rush Limbaugh once said, told me as well, the left tends to circle the wagons and the right tends to circle the firing squad.
01:44:02.000And that's because of the psychology of shame.
01:45:17.000I don't think any of us here would be honest if we said, if we just said, I mean, if the New York Times was to write a nice profile about one of us and we said, no, well, who cares?
01:45:28.000No, I think each and one of us would care.
01:45:30.000We would like that sort of legitimacy from the mainstream that like this paper record.
01:45:36.000in America would acknowledge what we do.
01:45:40.000I agree to an extent, but I also disagree.
01:45:42.000I think a lot of people would like that.
01:45:44.000I'm not so sure the people at this table, for the most part, would be, you know, vying for that.
01:45:49.000No, I think, to be fair, to be clear, I sound like the 14th paragraph of a New York Times article right now.
01:45:59.000To be fair, it's unclear whether... You're even using your NPR voice.
01:47:34.000And that's when you really grow, I think, after that ordeal.
01:47:39.000I think that it is that leftist cultural dominance of You know, news organizations, entertainment, and everything else that you guys are talking about, that is what makes it so important that the outlets that we're involved with continue to speak out and to continue to speak the truth.
01:48:23.000Well, I'll say become a member at TimCast.com, because I'm fairly strict.
01:48:28.000We've had people message us saying like, hey, this article is poorly framed, and I'll immediately go in and be like, hey, fix this.
01:48:33.000We had one story where it said, Joe Biden criticized for doing X and I went in and said, change the headline and story to Joe Biden does X and that include any relevant commentary after the fact.
01:48:44.000We don't, I don't want to do stories that are framed negative or positive.
01:50:00.000It's like that Evelyn Waugh novel, Scoop, where the journalist shows up to cover a war, and there is no war, and all the journalists who are there are like, shh, don't tell anybody.
01:50:19.000This is a controversial view, but I've been spending time in the UK and their media landscape is very different.
01:50:26.000In broadcast television, they actually have a government agency that enforces rules, some guidelines on impartiality on broadcast television.
01:50:37.000And as a result, on their news channels, you don't have shows like that would feature guests that would, for example, just Make a statement, let's say, Donald Trump is a fascist and a racist.
01:50:56.000You have to have it for something like that.
01:50:58.000The responsibility is on the host to to challenge or to ask for evidence, or they have a guess from an opposing opinion.
01:51:06.000That's not in the American tradition, but I think as a result, then I mean, all of us have seen some of these shows on MSNBC or some of these equipped right wing equivalents and I think it would violate the First Amendment.
01:51:20.000Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, putting, you know, the legal tradition aside, I just mean culturally, but... Oh, for sure.
01:51:28.000So I haven't made up my mind quite about that yet.
01:51:30.000But I think, I mean, in my view, the media landscape in the UK, I think it's less insane than what we have in America.
01:51:40.000Did you guys want anything else to that question?
01:51:43.000I think journalists need to ask more questions instead of making assumptions.
01:51:47.000We see a lot of assumptions in media, especially on TV reporting, and I think that more straightforward questions as opposed to questions that lead with a narrative I have this meme here which I don't know if you can see.
01:52:01.000It's a meme of what journalism used to be.
01:52:05.000The man is running towards the podium asking questions and now the man is running away from the podium with a megaphone amplifying the person.
01:52:13.000So my point, I'm going to say this right into the camera.
01:53:49.000So the window won't stay open, so we jammed the golden award in it.
01:53:53.000I just want to respond to what you were saying, because what you're saying about the megaphone, where the journalist is now amplifying the message, what happened to question authority, right?
01:54:02.000This used to be a pretty standard idea in America, that we would question authority, and now the new definition of Domestic terrorism and domestic extremism is someone who is anti-government and anti-authority.
01:54:20.000Don't be afraid to say anything, to tweet it, to get it out there to the general public because it's us.
01:54:25.000All willing to participate and speak out against injustices that could actually stop it.
01:54:30.000I used to doorstep a lot of politicians and I think I almost said exactly what you were saying as I was being dragged out from a Larry Silverstein press conference.
01:54:38.000Ask questions, demand answers, and of course... Do your jobs!
01:54:45.000You will, as an independent journalist, as just an average civilian, you have the power in your hands to broadcast and to shed light on the darkest corners of this world to do it.
01:54:57.000Imagine you have every plumber in the country has stopped fixing plumbing.
01:55:03.000And our bathrooms and our streets are laid in with crap.
01:55:08.000And there's one guy, there's a small handful of people that are actually trying to get the plumbing working again.
01:55:13.000That crap, that analogy, is what's happening in our political space, is what's happening with our big institutions, because journalists stopped fixing the pipes.
01:55:21.000They stopped doing their jobs, and they've just let the crap flow free.
01:55:25.000We need people to actually do the work and fix it so we can flush this crap.
01:56:10.000And Luke here just streams it on Snapchat or something.
01:56:14.000I was snapchatting back then and doing small stories in the snippets as we were covering extreme civil unrest in Greece, literally, as there was Molotovs being thrown at police officers and crazy battles in the streets of Athens, Greece that were absolutely crazy during their... what was it?
01:56:33.000They banned people from taking money out of their bank accounts?
01:57:03.000He got put in the hospital because activists beat the crap out of him as he was reporting on the front lines because he took the camera and he put it on the people that were throwing rocks against the police.
01:58:58.000He brings together the left and the right against people's condemnation against the state that abused their power and used taxpayers to hurt children for over 30 years in unspeakable ways.
01:59:10.000That's a gap that the establishment is scared of since people on the left and right are tweeting very important aspects of this story that break down this whole entire structure's power.
01:59:37.000You know, being on the ground and seeing a lot of this extremism, do you think there's a possibility of uniting people in this country?
01:59:44.000I thought that the beating assault of a journalist of color who happens to be gay, that was caught on camera.
01:59:54.000I thought that would be kind of a unifying moment and it wasn't.
01:59:57.000There was a lot of people on the mainstream left who said essentially that I deserved it, that I was such an agitator or that I allegedly hold such deplorable views that what happened to me was deserving and just and it should happen again.
02:00:10.000It should happen every time I come out.
02:00:12.000So I'm a bit less optimistic of the American citizenry, I think, in general.
02:00:18.000I think what's been very clear since the death of George Floyd and going back and forth after Michael Brown is there's just been this noticeable shift in moral tolerance and political violence.
02:00:33.000I mean, you cross this line, you know, of accepting violence as a response to disagreement.
02:00:39.000And then that's how you that's how you break down civilization, societies, and eventually the state.
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02:02:32.000I mean, my closing argument is essentially the image.
02:02:38.000I think images, you know, Marshall McLuhan once said something to the effect of, images will become more powerful than our own politicians.
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