Steve Dacey joins me to talk about the removal of James O'Keefe from the Project Veritas board and why it may have been a good thing. Plus, Marjorie Taylor Greene has officially called for a national divorce.
00:00:56.000And one of the things they complained about, Project Veritas, the board, I guess, accusing James, was that he used money for, like, funny dance videos or events or something like this.
00:01:07.000And they called it, like, him misappropriating funds.
00:01:10.000Well, I want to make sure I'm using the specific words they used, but I'll just put it this way.
00:01:15.000I like that Project Veritas does dance events.
00:01:18.000I like that James O'Keefe is this figure, is this character that brings life and a bit of levity to the work they do.
00:01:26.000And apparently that's not good enough for the board, so for this reason they've removed him and are now, I believe, lying about what's going on.
00:01:33.000Look, man, James O'Keefe is the founder and CEO of Project Veritas.
00:01:58.000Plus, we've got some other interesting stories.
00:02:00.000Marjorie Taylor Greene has officially called for a national divorce.
00:02:04.000Okay, I mean, there's an interesting conversation to be had, one that we've had quite a bit, but, you know, you guys ready to drink Civil War, I guess?
00:02:12.000I don't know how you get a member of Congress saying national divorce.
00:02:17.000And more and more people are talking about it.
00:02:18.000And I know people think that a national divorce is some kind of peaceful thing, but I don't see how it can go any other way than Civil War.
00:02:24.000But hey, maybe it won't be Civil War because the other thing we talk about a lot is World War III.
00:02:27.000Zelensky says that if China and Russia team up, it's World War 3.
00:02:31.000Meanwhile, like, I don't know, everybody else is already saying, yo, it already started.
00:02:35.00050 to 100 years from now, when we're all living in rubble and nuclear wasteland, we'll be like, it all started with the Ukraine and Russia.
00:02:43.000No one's going to be waiting until Russia teams up with China.
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00:03:53.000When I was growing up, one of the most coveted TV slots you wanted was after Cheers.
00:03:57.000That's where Seinfeld debuted, NewsRadio debuted, because After Cheers was on, I mean, you're going to have to really suck not to hold the audience, right?
00:04:05.000So I get to do the show at The Blaze after Glenn Beck, right?
00:04:08.000So it's really hard to not be successful.
00:04:11.000You just, you know, just try to hold on to as much of his audience as you possibly can, and I'm barely hanging on.
00:04:17.000And so they were dumb enough to sign me to a contract extension for another three years back in January.
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00:06:09.000Let's jump into this first story we got us from TimCast.com exclusive video.
00:06:12.000James O'Keefe tells Project Veritas staff, I've been removed from CEO and board.
00:06:18.000I have been stripped of my authority as CEO and removed from the board contrary to what any public statements may say.
00:06:25.000He gave, I think it's like a 45, around 45 minute speech and an anonymous source provided this video to us.
00:06:33.000We uploaded it on YouTube and published it and James basically lines out, he says, throughout my 13 years here, our mission has evolved from simply being about exposing the truth with help from some hidden cameras to something more transcendental, giving people hope.
00:06:48.000He says, as I was going through this process, I reflected upon my appreciation for so many of you.
00:06:52.000What makes us great is that we do this work because we believe we have a passion and a flair for storytelling.
00:06:59.000I recommend you guys listen to the full 45-minute speech.
00:07:02.000I can't break the whole thing down in only a few minutes, but there are some things I want to point out.
00:07:08.000The article says, Tim Kast's news has also been provided with board minutes regarding O'Keefe, which included an indefinite suspension without compensation.
00:07:18.000And the funny thing is, maybe if we could, I think, it gets cut off right, here we go.
00:08:32.000He started it, he's the one who paid the prices for it, and I assume most people are donating for him to do what he does because they believe in him.
00:08:41.000They say, $14,000 on a charter flight to meet someone to fix his boat under the guise of meeting with a donor.
00:08:48.000Sorry, I just literally don't believe it.
00:08:52.000And here's the other thing I'll tell you.
00:08:54.000If James didn't do the right thing, or he tried to by starting a non-profit, if James just did a private corporation and said, donate money, it's not tax deductible and I can do whatever I want with it, nobody would bat an eye at James O'Keefe getting a private jet.
00:09:08.000Not that I believe that he would misuse funds this way.
00:09:25.000Well, also, doesn't Turning Point USA put on all kinds of dance events stuff for students?
00:09:29.000Like, if nonprofits lost money on one thing but made it up in a different area, that's okay, right?
00:09:36.000Not everything they're going to do is going to be financially successful, even if ultimately it works out to be in the green.
00:09:41.000Yeah, these show different dynamics of James and the crew, the people that he's working with, that it's not just some stodgy news organization.
00:09:47.000I think it enlivened a lot of young people to get involved because he's also an artist, like a dancer.
00:09:51.000So I think that was fantastic use of funds.
00:09:54.000The story I was just telling Ian, we did an event in New York with Minds, and James O'Keefe was there, and there's a side stage area, it's kind of like backstage, and there's a group of, there's a bunch of people getting ready to go on, and I see James and I'm like, James, do a moonwalk!
00:10:10.000And then the whole room breaks aside, and everyone stands there as James O'Keefe moonwalks perfectly through the side stage.
00:10:19.000I know, maybe it's silly, but that is not a loss.
00:10:22.000When James was doing these videos, he was making a character of Veritas that was something more than just a hidden newsroom that sometimes posts viral clips.
00:10:31.000It was giving character and personality.
00:10:34.000It sounds personal because if this was about money and he cost the company a couple hundred thousand dollars, him leaving and all these people leaving, like these are the hardcore donors that are leaving the last 13, 130,000 people are the people that are going to throw 10 bucks a month at Project Veritas.
00:11:14.000It sounds like some people really didn't like the way James was doing it.
00:11:19.000Or if it was about money, then they made a really stupid fiscal error in removing James because he's a moneymaker.
00:11:24.000To me, there's two consequences of this that I think kind of even transcend what your own views are of James.
00:11:31.000And just to go on the record, I think it could be argued Project Veritas is the most, and has been under his guidance, the most important information outlet in alternative media in the country.
00:11:45.000Going back to their origin, their genesis with Acorn and things of that nature.
00:11:51.000And I find it fascinating, as the guy that just wrote a definitive book about COVID fascism, that somehow all of these issues somehow immediately have to come to a head after they just did the ultimate sting operation on the demons over at Pfizer.
00:12:06.000The timing of that, I find, incredibly not coincidental.
00:12:10.000And just real quick, James, he says this, The only thing that changed was the biggest story in their history with over 50 million views.
00:12:19.000And he said it's like a 10x increase over their other biggest stories they've done.
00:12:23.000So let's set aside him for a second and your views of him and just look at running an organization and leadership.
00:12:36.000I've been a part of presidential campaigns, corporations.
00:12:39.000Here's the reality of those ecosystems.
00:12:41.000Number one, I hope they have lawyered up because by them even claiming these things in disclosures, not that frankly the Biden feds need much of an invite anyway, they just do it on their own, but they've essentially begged for a full audit of all their books from the feds to come in and say, oh okay, you guys have disclosed this, then let's see what else is under there and see if we can just finish your organization off while we are at it.
00:13:16.000Now the story is some form of malfeasance.
00:13:19.000Let's say there's a root of truth to them, just for the sake of devil's argument.
00:13:23.000You don't take the star quarterback of your team.
00:13:26.000After he just won the friggin' Super Bowl, and decide that now's the time you want to have a conversation with him about being a kinder, gentler, better teammate, and being a better steward of the team's resources.
00:13:40.000Hand him the trophy, let him take pictures, and celebrate that.
00:13:44.000There were times before that moment that you could have addressed these things, and there's times later in the off-season when there's not as much eyes, there's not as much pressure, where these kinds of things can be addressed.
00:13:54.000This is, as you said, Ian, it's either personal or the oversight and leadership and guidance of this board is every bit as culpable, if not more so, of what they claim James is guilty of, even if he's guilty of those things.
00:14:08.000How come no one stepped in before this?
00:14:10.000How come no one said, hey, you know what, now given we're at a next level here, the level of eyes that are on us, the level of pressure that's on us, we've got to make sure we're even more diligent than we ever have been before.
00:14:22.000Suddenly, out of nowhere, he gets his biggest score in the history of the organization, and now suddenly we want to have a human resources review?
00:14:30.000That is some really crappy leadership on behalf of that board, even if they are telling the truth.
00:14:35.000Yeah, I think those are all great points, especially since Project Veritas, as far as I know, has their nonprofit status in New York.
00:14:41.000And to get out of New York, you're at the will of the Attorney General, which New York has one of the most activist, liberal attorney generals, Letitia James, in the country, in my opinion.
00:14:51.000I mean, it puts them in a terrible place as an organization.
00:14:54.000If the mission is so important, why would you do that?
00:14:56.000And to your point too, like, Every circus needs a ringleader and James O'Keefe is this circus's ringleader.
00:15:02.000To kick him off when you are kind of building this huge momentum off of the Pfizer thing seems like... It's hard for me not to think that there is something that James was about to do that the board didn't want him to.
00:16:04.000Some good ones will brag and be like, 80% of your donation goes to the actual cause
00:16:08.000and the administrative costs are a reality of doing business.
00:16:10.000It just basically means that if they're like, save the dogs, 80 cents goes to actually rehoming
00:16:15.000a dog and 20 cents is paying the managers to file the paperwork to rehome the dogs.
00:16:19.000But when you see one of these big non-profits and their ratio is like 90% administrative, yeah, that means almost none of your money is actually doing any charitable work.
00:16:29.000James should form a new company and it should be a for-profit corporation, which means it won't be tax-deductible.
00:16:36.000But there are enough people who support Project Veritas that he need only say, for 10 bucks a month, you get James O'Keefe's premium behind-the-scenes, director's cut commentary on our stories and our views, and the news is always free.
00:16:54.000So not too dissimilar from what we do with like, here's the free show.
00:16:58.000I think he'd make even more money, and he'd then be able to, without question, Wanted to get a private jet to go get his boat fixed?
00:17:21.000So... Well, maybe he met with a donor who wanted to donate to Veritas and did, but also took his boat taken care of, and the same donor also fixed his boat.
00:17:39.000Something about, like, a wedding or something.
00:17:42.000Like, he used the money to pay for his wedding.
00:17:44.000And it's just like, he's not married, you know?
00:17:46.000And apparently, it was a venue used for a corporate party.
00:17:51.000They're just taking things and twisting it to accuse him of doing things that are wrong.
00:17:56.000But I think, Steve, I think you put it perfectly.
00:18:00.000I would be more willing to believe this if, privately, a board member hit me up and was like, look, we're trying to figure this one out, what should we do?
00:18:08.000To boot him from the company abruptly, to then publicly accuse him of abusing employees, and that note said, some of the signatories of this letter have not witnessed or experienced any abuse, Now they're coming out after the donors refuted that saying, well, he was misappropriating funds.
00:18:28.000It's also interesting that, you know, he's off Project Veritas, the nonprofit that we know about, but then he's also off of their political action committee, right?
00:18:35.000There's the project, I don't remember what it's called, but it's 501c4, which they're allowed to participate in political campaigns right as we're going into an election year.
00:18:43.000And who do you think it's like the most dangerous asset to anyone in politics right now?
00:18:48.000James O'Keefe, because he has such a reputation as an investigative journalist.
00:18:52.000I mean, to take him out of the organization right now, to me, it's deeply suspicious.
00:19:11.000Don't go against the deep state, Barack, because they'll kill you.
00:19:14.000But then what happened was he just didn't go against the deep state and played ball.
00:19:18.000But I think James is just a guy, and the organization that he created is an organization of hundreds of people, I don't know how many people, and they're all, from what I met at Project Veritas, those people are fantastic, and they do incredible work.
00:20:11.000Them coming out publicly and announcing financial malfeasance is...
00:20:18.000Ask yourself, there's an old adage in sports, you never want to be the guy that follows the guy, you want to be the guy that follow the guy who follow the guy, right?
00:20:25.000So the organization just got rid of its founder and its face, and there really wasn't another face because as you guys have pointed out, everybody else that has done public work has done it undercover.
00:20:37.000So he is the only known face of that organization.
00:20:39.000Who would right now, given the amount of heat that that is taking right now, on top of the open invite they literally just hiked up their skirts and said that the feds were open for business we showed all the leg we've got all the way to the panty line who wants to walk in there and say yeah i think i want to take that i want to i want to take that uh dutch door action i want to get screwed on the way in and screwed on the way out i'm gonna i'm gonna take over for a guy that's a legend to his base and then at the same time
00:21:05.000Yeah, the people that just hired me opened up and invited the feds to come in for an investigation.
00:21:11.000I think that is probably a pretty small list of people.
00:21:41.000Like, you don't want to pour fuel on a fire of a story by... There's a story of these activists who were protesting outside of a McDonald's, saying McDonald's was bad.
00:22:35.000And you're like, guys, look how much money we have.
00:22:38.000I could never have... And then James says, we are not using the money for what you want.
00:22:44.000We are going to use the money the way I see it, and we're going to do the mission.
00:22:47.000And I don't think the board members necessarily are thinking I'm going to stuff my pockets, but they're saying something like, let's use the funds to build a new building, and we can start doing this and that, and we can put a gym there.
00:22:56.000And then James is like, we're going to do this, we're going to do this, we're going to expose this.
00:22:59.000You've got to get rid of... This is what I said when we first got word that he was suspended.
00:23:04.000If you want access to the cash, you've got to get rid of the ideological founder who's standing in the way of that big pile of money.
00:23:10.000Now for them to come out with a new excuse that you is misappropriating funds, it's projecting.
00:23:16.000It's what we typically see from these leftists.
00:23:18.000They accuse others of... They've got board members posting their pronouns in their Twitter bios.
00:23:23.000And accusing someone else of malfeasance.
00:23:25.000And how do board members get on boards?
00:23:27.000They donate to the organization, right?
00:23:29.000So if you had a year like this, and again, I used to work in fundraising.
00:23:34.000The top amount of money comes from a very narrow number of donors, typically, right?
00:23:38.000So I think, yes, they have really great grassroots support, but there are probably a couple new donors who saw the work they have done and said, I am willing to really either scale up what I'm giving or I'm willing to give a huge donation for the first time.
00:23:51.000Now, that's a threat to all the other board members, right?
00:23:54.000They are potentially going to lose their position if they are now competing with these other high dollar donors.
00:24:01.000I think that this is a sketchy thing to do, especially when your organization is doing so well, has this big story out, unless you personally feel threatened.
00:24:14.000He said, the only thing that has changed is that we broke the biggest story in our organization's history during the last week of January in 2023.
00:24:22.000With 50 plus million views, our video became a global phenomenon.
00:24:25.000He then goes on to add more context and says, that is the only thing that has changed.
00:24:29.000Then suddenly, an unusual emergency happened just a few days after the story, he continued.
00:24:35.000And then he says, on Thursday, February 2nd, I was informed by an officer of Veritas on the phone, while en route to the airport, that he would resign unless I stepped down as CEO.
00:24:45.000Ken, I want to address the Pfizer connection.
00:24:47.000I got a question on my show over at The Blaze today.
00:24:50.000Someone asked me, what would be Pfizer's incentive to produce a product, or any product, that could potentially be harmful to its customers?
00:25:01.000When its customers are, you know, are people in need of health care.
00:25:56.000People aren't calling Pfizer after they watch those videos.
00:25:59.000They know that nothing happens calling Pfizer.
00:26:02.000God bless, there was a group of New Yorkers over the weekend that did a rally in front of Pfizer, speaking my love language, chanting Nuremberg to Adam, and that's my love language, but that doesn't do any good.
00:26:46.000The governments are still somewhat, depending on what your views of elections are, somewhat still accountable to their people in ways that the corporation at Pfizer is not.
00:26:58.000People around the world, guys, watched those videos and said, hey, do you guys know what's going on with excess deaths in Germany right now?
00:27:06.000They're higher right now than they have been in the entire time of COVID-19.
00:27:10.000They're higher right now in Germany, 40% higher than normal.
00:27:13.000That's higher than they were at the peak of the initial wave of COVID in 2020.
00:28:19.000And now it's horse pace, but he's actually a horse doctor.
00:28:22.000I wanted to point this out, because I don't know.
00:28:25.000A lot of people probably don't like Rick and Morty, but the mom in the show, Beth, is a horse surgeon, and they make fun of her calling her not a real surgeon, and she gets really offended by it, and it's just fun that this guy is a horse doctor.
00:28:42.000I was going to have this question for you a few sentences ago.
00:28:47.000You talk about Nuremberg, your book, Rise of the Fourth Reich, and all that.
00:28:51.000We've had a lot of libertarians come on the show and talk about, I don't know where you end up on the economic scale or whatever.
00:28:57.000I'm not entirely convinced that this is a problem that is completely free or could be solved by laissez-faire capitalism or just straight capitalism.
00:29:10.000I think what happens is, as much as I prefer, you know, capitalism over say like a socialism, don't get me wrong, I do think there's still an issue here.
00:29:18.000And of course the issue, let me slow down and walk through this because I understand government is a problem in this one.
00:29:22.000Here's the problem we face with solving an issue like this.
00:29:26.000Government mandates things because they're lazy, inept, evil or otherwise.
00:29:31.000Some are ideological and think now's our chance.
00:29:33.000We have, you know, lockdowns are good for the climate and things like that.
00:29:36.000Others are panicked and say, Well, my people are screaming, do something.
00:29:41.000They don't care what I do as long as I do something.
00:29:43.000Then along comes a big pharmaceutical company, who you mentioned correctly, the governments are the customers.
00:30:11.000And ultimately what it is is the lucrative merger of corporation and state.
00:30:15.000Elites in the public and private sector, the classic definition of fascism.
00:30:18.000But what I see culturally, governmentally and in the corporate system, I don't necessarily believe is definitively mustache twirling villains who are trying to destroy the planet.
00:30:29.000I know we've had many conversations about population reduction, about how, you know, the New York Times, I think, I think it was the Times wrote that the lockdowns, the planet's healing now and that maybe we need climate change lockdowns.
00:30:41.000They literally use the line from Avengers Endgame when Captain America says, well, you know, after half the world was disappeared, the animals are back in the Hudson.
00:30:49.000But I kind of just feel like It's more like a Jackson Pollock painting than something as precise as Rembrandt.
00:30:57.000It is quite literally the chaos of our cultural decay, the system itself breaking down in every different area that we've got, cultural collapse, corporate and governmental collapse, that results in nobody wanting to take responsibility for the hard decisions and just saying, path of least resistance and leave me the F alone.
00:31:19.000I think that, first of all, The number one issue at play here is the spiritual and moral decline of the West, and you are watching a level of spiritual darkness and malevolence.
00:31:34.000We had a private dinner with Tucker Carlson out in Iowa this summer.
00:31:38.000When he came out to emcee an event for us and one of the questions we asked him was, hey, what happened to the bowtied, smiling libertarian who was friends with Rachel Maddow on MSNBC and CNN and thought, frankly, people like us, you know, these dreaded, you know, Jesus freaks that we were the death knell of the Republican Party and we're going to be the reason why y'all never won any elections.
00:31:58.000How did you become our favorite talk show host?
00:32:25.000I could see why someone might think Medicare and Medicaid might be the best way to help a certain disadvantaged Group of people even if my ideology doesn't agree, but I don't think that causes me suspicion about your motivations He says what's happened in this current era in America and really throughout the West is decisions are being made that no one truly Benefits from like we can disagree vehemently at you know ideologically about affirmative action
00:32:50.000But somebody is affirmatively benefiting from that, even if we think that the overall collateral damage doesn't justify it and you disagree with that, there is someone benefiting from it.
00:33:00.000No one benefits from kids being sent off to the island of Dr. Moreau for meatball surgery.
00:33:07.000No one's benefiting from the stuff that we're talking about right now.
00:33:10.000And he said, when I analyzed this as a kid who just grew up in the traditional political process, and I see people and I go to my liberal friends and I'm asking, why are you guys doing stuff like this?
00:33:19.000And they suddenly don't have answers, but they're just going to do them anyway.
00:33:21.000He goes, that's when I just had to realize that there's a level of spiritual darkness at play here that's the only thing I can explain When this level of nihilism, and that's what you just described, Tim, a comprehensive nihilism, whether it's people's crave and greed, whether it's they've given themselves, another group has given themselves over to Malthusian ethics at a nihilistic Nietzschean level, okay, of depopulation, whether it's all of those things, whether it's stupidity, whether it's complacency, pour all that stuff in a cauldron, add a little dash of newt and an eye of bat,
00:33:51.000Okay, and a cup of water and boil it together and pour it out, and what you see is systemic decline of a civilization, and that's what we're living through right now.
00:34:02.000Like, Jesus tried, but they just killed him off and made a religion out of him, and they're like, worship him now!
00:34:07.000And it's like, dude, he was trying to wake people up to God.
00:34:10.000How do we Anytime I've seen in the past, people try, they get co-opted, and cults get made out of them, and then they just... the war machine moves on.
00:34:31.000Human civilizations mark time by the birth and death of Christ.
00:34:37.000The most attended worship event of the year in human civilization for going on a second epoch is the marking of the resurrection of Christ, followed only by the marking of the birth of Christ.
00:34:52.000So I would argue his legacy is very intact.
00:34:56.000Those people like me who believe that he is God, that he was resurrected, and the testimonies that we have of the changes that have gone on in our lives, and then we have gone on and helped other people and do things that are beyond our normal capability so we don't give ourselves over to the nihilism that Tim talks about, I would argue his legacy is intact.
00:35:14.000All the people that put him to death, they're all in the ground.
00:35:38.000From the sick and disgusting woke culture issues shoved down our throats to the Democrats' traitorous America Last policies, we are done.
00:35:46.000John Stewart says, but we get to keep the name, right?
00:35:49.000And then Nicole Pearl Roth says, cool, California can keep the tech, AG, livestock, Georgia can keep their infant mortality, incarceration rates, and the country's lowest wages.
00:36:40.000University of Virginia did, they have a Center for Politics, they did this poll last October, and they found that like 50% of Trump supporters are in favor of a national divorce.
00:36:49.000Yes, Sarah Silverman did say, maybe we should break up and divide into like two or three countries.
00:36:55.000So this is a really, really great example of why we probably are headed towards a national divorce.
00:37:00.000that both political parties seem to hold, which is kind of wild.
00:37:03.000Yes, Sarah Silverman did say maybe we should break up and divide into like two or three
00:38:46.000Holding up signs about Margaret Thatcher 20 years after she's dead.
00:38:49.000Level of zealotry that the spirit of the age, that these sorts of statists, and who am I talking about?
00:38:56.000These are the people that put their pronouns in their bio, and before they had that, they had the Ukraine flag in their bio, and before they had that, They had their vax card in their bio, and before they had that, they had their mask in their bio.
00:39:07.000Let me show how virtuous of a lemming I am to the spirit of the age, to the state.
00:39:13.000That level of zealotry isn't going to let you walk away.
00:39:32.000And so they're not going to let you... She's right when she says that.
00:39:36.000But any society that really needs that would not be able to accomplish it either because the divisions that exist, both sides are not going to agree to peaceably walk away.
00:39:49.000When you come to the brink, when you're about to ruin as much freedom, liberty, and prosperity as this country is about to flush down the toilet, that only happens because the forces that have pushed us to this brink are on some—you use the word cult, I use that in my show a lot—the level of cultic zeal that says, to hell with all those things!
00:40:09.000I have to win this argument no matter what.
00:41:23.000Dude's chillin' in like a grocery store and someone walks in with a gun and they start shootin' at him and then it's motorcycles pull up and jump out and rob you and then people start shootin' at each other.
00:41:30.000I know we have those things happen here too, but it's not that bad.
00:41:34.000We often think things are way worse than they are, and some things are worse than other countries, don't get me wrong, some countries are nicer, but I'm not going to sit here and act like Sweden because of its lower crime rate is better than the US, when the people in Sweden live under a boot and are scared to speak up and losing their jobs because their whole country is woke.
00:41:50.000The United States has a lot of really awesome things going for it, but we're losing it, and if people don't speak up, it's going to become bad.
00:41:56.000Now, as it pertains to national divorce, I think The challenge is, you know, someone super chatted that too much blood and treasure was sacrificed for this union, and that's an interesting point.
00:42:07.000I know Michael Malice, I know Luke Rutkowski, they talk about national divorce, and the issue I have with it is, in the end, it benefits those who seek to subjugate the world, because at the very least, it would split the territory of freedom in half.
00:42:21.000If the country breaks apart, then we know the blue states go full Canada, and then there's even less freedom in the world.
00:42:29.000It would be the greatest breeding ground for limited war the world had ever seen if the U.S.
00:42:35.000It'd be one side would be communist, Chinese-funded, and then the other side would be the remnants of the United States or something like that.
00:42:41.000How is that any different than what we have right now?
00:42:43.000Well, bomber planes would be dropping bombs on Tulsa, Oklahoma, you know, like just annihilating cities in the name of justice.
00:42:52.000What you explained there a second ago Ian is why people want it and then why I think we can't achieve it.
00:42:59.000We got people want to rattle sabers with China.
00:43:03.000What would a war between the US and China ultimately decide?
00:43:07.000The language the social credit system will all eventually go to is in.
00:43:11.000That's really what we're fighting for.
00:43:42.000That's unavoidable, unless you start seeing great awakenings.
00:43:46.000Where do we have liberty in America to begin with?
00:43:49.000It's not a coincidence you had great awakenings, spiritual revivals, that then led to liberty in the country, all right?
00:43:55.000And that's why John Adams said, Constitution's only for moral and religious people.
00:43:59.000You can't have limited government with people they think their character has no limits upon it.
00:44:03.000They'll then eventually think I can do whatever the hell I want, and then make you pay the bill and the freight for it when it blows up in my face.
00:44:08.000That's what we have now, called a welfare state.
00:44:11.000So eventually, we're going to either see revival, like we saw at the dawn of the country, or you're going to see the end of the country, and that's the path that we're on right now.
00:44:35.000That, to me, when Chesterton said America is the only country ever founded on a creed, that's really what he meant.
00:44:42.000That our rights come, and he was observing this as an English theologian, a British theologian, observing, you know, basically their offspring and how it had taken off after the Revolutionary War period.
00:44:54.000And that was his observation, is that America took the notion that rights come from God, the laws of nature and nature's God, and therefore they're not bestowed by governments, and therefore governments don't have the ability to take them away, and governments are just as accountable to that same God as the people that rights come from.
00:45:14.000Now we have civil rights, we don't have individual rights, we have group rights now.
00:45:18.000We don't have a justice system based on restitution anymore.
00:45:22.000That's what stuff like eye for an eye in the Bible means.
00:45:24.000It doesn't literally mean eye for an eye.
00:45:26.000It means what you have taken from someone else must be taken from you or you must restore it.
00:46:17.000It'll read like a prophecy of 21st century America.
00:46:19.000One of the problems of us all having rights given from God that we founded the country on, except for those people, those savages, they're not even human.
00:46:26.000They weren't even human to those people.
00:46:29.000They killed the Native Americans and slaughtered them, and the black people were three-fifths of a human in the eyes of God, according to the founders.
00:46:36.000So like, yeah, we say it's God given us rights, but like, obviously the history shows otherwise.
00:46:42.000We slaughtered 90% of the native population.
00:46:46.000I mean, the people didn't even consider them human at the time, which is like the most abhorrent thing in the eyes of God I can imagine, is that humans would consider another human like a dirty animal non-human and then kill it and say it has no rights.
00:46:59.000Here's the challenge, I think, Ian, is that everybody projects.
00:47:03.000And one of the big mistakes people make when it comes to any kind of historical conquest is the projection of your cultural values onto cultures that no longer exist or have deeply different values.
00:47:12.000So I find this interesting in history.
00:47:16.000The idea that all humans are sound morally and that we should agree with all of their ways of life.
00:47:21.000Like, you know, the Aztec notoriously would sacrifice people, rip their hearts out or whatever.
00:47:26.000What do they do, they put them on an altar and then cut their head off?
00:47:29.000Yeah, and while they're alive and things like that.
00:47:33.000So you've got to understand that even deeply religious, I mean like the colonial Europeans were deeply religious and probably very zealous in terms of their beliefs, but imagine how you would feel as this like Somewhat liberal libertarian type modern man watching a bunch of people drag a screaming woman upstairs and then jam her in the chest with obsidian and cut her open in front of you.
00:47:57.000You wouldn't be thinking these are good people.
00:48:00.000You'd be thinking these people are animals.
00:48:05.000You're saying that in a derogatory sense, like, what is wrong with these people?
00:48:07.000I'm not saying every Native American population was that way.
00:48:10.000I'm just saying, what happens is, young people today look around at this society that we've built through blood and sacrifice, blood and treasure for, all of the death fought along the way, the Civil War itself, how many dead Union soldiers to preserve this Union, ultimately leading to the end of the Civil War.
00:48:25.000Not that it was the exact intention of the Civil War, but that was a big component of it.
00:48:29.000And then they say, look at this and say, All societies must have been this way, and the conquest of such must have been wrong.
00:48:36.000And it's like, dude, like, that group of people was going around murdering kids and raping women non-stop.
00:48:41.000Yeah, we all agree that was a bad thing, and they got conquered.
00:49:06.000Now these dark ages, the good news is you won't have to worry about dying a bubonic plague because rats are crapping in the street outside your home, okay?
00:49:14.000And that's getting into the water table.
00:49:37.000They'll determine, you know, who you can talk to and monitor everybody else.
00:49:40.000It'll be a technocratic dark ages, all right?
00:49:43.000But it'll be a dark age for individual liberty and individual agency nevertheless.
00:49:49.000Outside of the outside, In the history of the human species, outside of acknowledgement of a biblical worldview, on some level, even imperfectly, there has never been any regard for individual freedom and liberty in the 7,000-year history of recorded human history, period.
00:50:07.000Regardless of language, period, custom, culture, it's never happened outside of a biblical worldview, because it's the only one that says men and women are each made in the likeness and image of God.
00:50:18.000that ever has said that or proclaimed that, which is why outside of it, it simply doesn't happen.
00:50:23.000We don't believe in that worldview anymore, which is now why we went from feminism to now men are going to become women now and become even better women than the women were.
00:51:00.000The Joaquin Phoenix version of Joker is basically a guy who doesn't understand what's going on and is just angry and entitled, so he kills a guy who helped him.
00:51:09.000Let me stress this, because this is a really, really good point, especially for those who know I love pop culture references.
00:51:23.000And spoiler alert, I think it's the perfect example of one, they show all the protesters in the streets screaming about the 99%, about the 1% smashing things.
00:51:32.000He riles them up, this Joker character.
00:51:35.000In the end, they're like dancing and cheering for him.
00:51:38.000And that's basically the idea is that he gets these followers because he kills this late night comedian saying, you get what you deserve.
00:51:45.000Here's the funny thing about it though.
00:51:47.000This is about a guy who's mentally ill and he's out he's down on his luck he's abused and then finally he snaps and he kills some dudes on a train who were messing with him and it's like you kind of understand why he's so angry but he really doesn't understand the system he thinks Thomas Wayne's his dad he's not he's crazy He does a stand-up routine and he gets made fun of for doing it because he forgets his lines and laughs at his own jokes.
00:52:09.000A late-night TV show host puts that video on TV and they all laugh at it.
00:52:14.000A true comedian at that point would be like, I did it!
00:52:24.000I was just going to say, how many great comedians have made a routine out of self-deprecation?
00:52:29.000And it was hilarious, and then you're with them.
00:52:31.000And so think about what this movie represents with Joker.
00:52:34.000He's a guy who does something really funny that everyone laughs at, but he gets mad because it wasn't the way they were supposed to laugh.
00:52:41.000So he goes on the show, when given an opportunity, when they actually say, okay, come on the show, in front of the world, and decides to kill the guy because they didn't give him what he wanted.
00:52:51.000Because they didn't give him his emotional satisfaction.
00:52:56.000With the wokeness, with the protesters, they're mentally ill, they're unstable, they're angry, they're entitled, and they don't understand that our founding fathers and our ancestors have given them everything.
00:53:17.000And then you get the Heath Ledger joker was trying to prove a point about, he says, if I told the news a busload of soldiers would be blown up, nobody cares.
00:53:26.000But if you say a mayor dies, they'll lose their minds.
00:53:28.000And it's like, okay, well, he's actually got some method to his madness.
00:53:33.000Joaquin Phoenix really represented, in my opinion, all of the wokeness.
00:53:37.000I was going to mention Christendom, which we were talking about earlier, and why I think there's a problem, why people are having a problem with it and have hated it for so long and want nothing to do with it, because it was used as a cudgel.
00:53:47.000It used God as a constrictive tool, and if you didn't worship God the way I want you to worship it, then we're going to execute you.
00:53:57.000Similar to what this Joaquin guy, like, if they don't do it the way I want them to do it.
00:54:00.000So they would use it as a system of control.
00:54:02.000And you had someone like Luther, Martin Luther, I think he said, it's between you and God.
00:54:12.000And so I think people hate the business of church.
00:54:16.000Not that they have, and they don't even know what God is or understand the emotions attached with experiencing that vibration.
00:54:23.000I completely agree with everything you just said.
00:54:25.000Yeah, I think people are turned off by religion, especially, you know, very dogmatic, legalistic religion.
00:54:32.000It can have very negative consequences.
00:54:34.000But it's hard not to think that the other part is that people don't want to have to be accountable for themselves, right?
00:54:39.000Like, if you have Christian, there's morality, there are things that are right and wrong that you have to hold yourself accountable to, that there are higher values, you set your eyes on the things above.
00:54:49.000If you want to live an indulgent lifestyle here and now and only think about what concerns you today, then why would you want to be religious, right?
00:54:58.000If your pleasure comes from momentary satisfaction or pursuing things that are wrong and bad for your soul, then like Of course you're not going to go to church, of course you're not interested.
00:55:08.000And you can say, I think there are people who have been harmed by, you know, exactly what you're talking about, but I think there are also people who want to live for their own pleasure and have no higher moral consequences.
00:58:19.000The need for companionship, for intimacy.
00:58:22.000That need that you had, that desire, went out over the anger and the bitterness that you experienced because of the way your heart was broken, right?
00:58:51.000Because a lot of the historical examples you're going to cite are true.
00:58:54.000Christians, Catholics and Protestants littered the fields of Europe with blood post-Protestant Reformation for a century.
00:59:01.000Our country figured out a way to keep those forces at bay through the things that Tim talked about that were enumerated in the Constitution.
00:59:08.000That's what no religious test for office meant.
00:59:10.000You've got all these colonies that are all founded by different vestiges of the Christian Church, and literally if you were a different denomination you couldn't vote or be a citizen in some of these other colonies.
00:59:18.000They figured out ways to lawfully navigate those differences.
00:59:22.000But I would urge, and I'd urge not just you, anyone within the sound of my voice, This thing is doomed unless more of us get recreated with our creator.
00:59:32.000And I would urge you, just open up a Bible, you and your creator, one-on-one, and see if he answers.
00:59:38.000You know what's funny is that a lot of liberals are starting to come around to this.
00:59:42.000Granted, most liberals aren't, but there are disaffected liberal types who I'm hearing, I don't want to call anybody out, but there are a few examples Of prominent classical and traditional liberals who are saying, I'm not religious but I now recognize the importance of religion and society.
00:59:56.000Maybe I can give a shout out to at least one.
00:59:58.000I think James Lindsay has talked about this.
01:00:04.000So my family was always to a certain degree Catholic.
01:00:08.000For me, though, I kind of drifted away from it, but I've long talked about this and there was a period where I was like, I'm an atheist, but the way I would describe it now is I didn't understand anything about God when I was a kid because I didn't know what people were talking about, didn't understand what atheism was as a teenager because it was, again, just people around me until I actually started to read for myself and then ultimately studying, reading books on physics and I was reading the internet and trying to learn about time and Then I started to think about all the things I learned in religious class when I was at Catholic school, and I was like, wait a minute, and I started to see a bigger picture here.
01:00:39.000But I think, interestingly, what many people have talked about, Peter Boghossian, James Lindsay, Helen Pluckrose, when they did the initial Sokol Squared hoax, I did a podcast with them talking about how this wokeness is a non-theistic religion.
01:00:56.000But the issue is, it is chaos to traditional religion's order.
01:01:02.000And I think what you end up with is, the one way I'll put it this way, the stories I heard when I was younger about Christians came from liberals, and it was, I would describe as mostly anti-religious propaganda.
01:01:14.000When I actually started to meet real conservatives and Christians, I was like, these people are nothing like they've been described to me.
01:01:22.000And ain't that the story of the culture war we're hearing right now?
01:01:32.000And they want to say there's a wall of fire, don't go near it, it'll burn you.
01:01:35.000But on the other side, people are chillin', they're good people.
01:01:38.000And so I remember one of the important stories for me was meeting a friend, I was in the suburbs of Chicago where it was more conservative, and they were pro-life, and I'd never talked to someone who was pro-life before, and they gave me very sound, reasonable explanations for their beliefs.
01:01:51.000They weren't too dissimilar to what my family had said, but they were a little bit on the other side, and I was like, well, these are normal arguments.
01:02:27.000And then you get this zombified corpse version That's actually just infecting and destroying the institutions that we are actually trying to protect.
01:02:36.000We want to get rid of the bad stuff, keep the good stuff, and build upon it.
01:02:39.000It's just consuming everything and destroying it.
01:02:42.000The most dangerous conversation in America is the one Ian and I were just having.
01:02:48.000That's the most dangerous conversation.
01:02:50.000People who have some disparate views on a very important topic but are willing to sit down in a setting publicly in front of other people and hash them out and discuss them openly, share their own personal perspectives.
01:03:05.000of what's gone on in their own lives, as to why they've they came to some of the conclusions they
01:03:09.000did, or why they have yet to come to those conclusions, or took them to. This is how we
01:03:15.000actually come now in reason together. The wokeness religion that you just described,
01:03:19.000everything that it does is to avoid this kind of a conversation from occurring.
01:03:25.000Whether it's about faith, whether it's about ideology, whether it's about political parties, whether it's about particular issues, it's all to avoid this kind of neighborly conversation that allows differences to get discussed and hashed out.
01:03:40.000We've got to do a hard segue and progress this because we do have this story here from TimCast.com.
01:03:47.000Zelensky warns of World War III if China allies with Russia.
01:03:52.000I do see an opportunity for China to make a pragmatic assessment of what is happening here.
01:03:57.000I want to bring this up because for those that are just tuning in or just jumping into the segment, we were talking about religion, cultural decay, societal decay.
01:04:06.000Joe Biden, the President of the United States, went on a surprise visit to Ukraine with a $500 million gift.
01:05:40.000Well, especially since we've already poisoned all of our citizens to be obsessed with Ukraine.
01:05:45.000Do you remember all the flags everywhere all the time?
01:05:47.000Like, we made this an issue that apparently, especially liberal-leaning voters are going to die on, right?
01:05:52.000So if Biden backs out, if he says, oh, actually, I'm going to cut off funds, then his base will turn on him and be like, how could you abandon the poor people of Ukraine?
01:06:39.000And this is hard for me to say as a kid who's a child of the 80s, who grew up in the We're America Bitch 80s, who wore Alex P. Keaton monogrammed sweater vests, okay, and got up in the middle of the night to cheer Reagan bombing Gaddafi back to the Neolithic period.
01:07:09.000I'm never letting you take him to die for your Habsburg dynasty, World War I, needless 20 million pile of deaths replay over your elites pissing contest.
01:07:29.000If history doesn't just repeat, it rhymes.
01:07:32.000These are a bunch of elites, a little cabal that throw Putin, all of them, all in together.
01:07:38.000This is a Habsburg dynasty pissing contest over a strip of land most people can't find, don't care about, has no strategic value to anybody within the sound of my voice unless they're involved in investing money with Hunter Biden.
01:08:17.000I mean, the fact that Zelensky can come to our Congress and not manage to put on a suit, Joe Biden goes to see him wearing a suit, like, he's playing a character.
01:09:48.000And yet we have been sending people to wars because we say they're supposed to be there for a long time.
01:09:54.000I hope that Ukraine is a wake-up call, right, that these are people who should not be going, that we're sending anyways for pointless things, but I just don't know that it will be.
01:10:05.000I like that you are likening it to the Habsburg dynasty, which was like a family that was obsessed with keeping the Germans in the... I don't know the actual, the literal history of the Habsburg family exactly.
01:11:36.000All we did in World War I was lay waste to Germany to give birth to the Third Reich and the worst regime that's probably ever existed in the history of humanity.
01:11:44.000Was it like just a It's an arms development research program, the war, under the guise of a war, like we wanna see how our tanks fight against our tanks.
01:11:50.000As a kid born to a 15-year-old mommy, and I don't know what it's like to have so much of that inherent privilege that after a while you're just like, I gotta fire off some of these rounds because I can't just throw them away.
01:12:01.000I don't know the answer to your question.
01:12:02.000I mean, my mom, I was on food stamps as a kid, so I don't know the answer to that question.
01:12:06.000All I know is there is no, if you look at traditional Christian just war theory, Fighting and dying for Ukraine, morally, is not a just war.
01:13:28.000If you look at our biggest problems, I often say to my audience on The Blaze or my Twitter feed, the calls are coming from inside the house.
01:13:37.000The calls are coming from inside the house.
01:13:48.000Dude, they actually make some of our own weapon systems.
01:13:52.000We're gonna go war with the country that makes 80% of our antibiotics and some of our high-tech weapon systems that most of our elites want to be like anyway.
01:14:02.000The calls are coming from inside the house.
01:14:46.000Then they'd only have the amount of farmland they own and they could just go Stalingrad on us and just burn the farmland to cut off our supply chain.
01:14:52.000I mean, we're in this position because the great experiment of utopian progressivism, globalism, didn't work.
01:15:02.000And the reason it didn't work is it ignores the basics of human nature.
01:15:08.000This is how crazy the times have gone.
01:15:10.000When I got into this business 15 years ago, Bill Maher was doing documentaries like Religious.
01:15:18.000I was doing whole shows debating him on that.
01:15:21.000Now I do shows where I play clips of Bill Maher and affirmatively quote him.
01:15:26.000Even though I'm not sure he's changed any of his views and I know I sure as hell haven't changed any of mine.
01:15:30.000But at least the old culture war, I liked the old culture war.
01:15:36.000The old culture war where people like me and people like Mar debated, we both agreed first of all that individuals have some agency and human beings have some rights of conscience.
01:15:46.000And the debates that people like me and people like Mar were having is what's the limit on that right of conscience, right?
01:15:51.000He basically is, by his own admission, a libertine.
01:15:54.000He basically made the Marquis de Sade argument.
01:15:57.000If I'm not hurting anybody else, nobody else's problem.
01:16:02.000That was essentially his argument, okay?
01:16:04.000People like me made the argument, well there's a little bit more to it because the one that gave us our agency and the one that gave us that conscience has a few rights of limiting it that we need to listen to for our own good.
01:16:15.000And that was the argument that we had is, did people like me go too far?
01:16:21.000Somewhere in the middle a reasonable society could emerge.
01:16:24.000The new argument now is, you have no individual agency at all.
01:16:28.000You have no rights of conscience at all.
01:16:30.000And so this is why, without changing our positions on literally anything, this is why Bill Maher and Steve Dace are saying a lot of the same things right now.
01:16:38.000Because we are both recognizing that old argument about agency and conscience is out the window.
01:16:43.000We're actually having an argument whether we have any agency or conscience whatsoever.
01:16:47.000Are we totally wards of the state from the moment we breathe?
01:16:50.000But also I think Bill Maher started finally paying attention to the news.
01:16:54.000I think he knew more than he was letting on for a while and he just didn't want to say anything because his audience is, it's liberals.
01:17:01.000But he got to that point where he's seen this stuff and he's like, I just can't anymore.
01:17:05.000The issue, and this is exemplified by the Prager episode where Prager said they're putting tampons in men's room and the men's room and Bill Maher laughed and the audience laughed and everyone said, oh it's not true.
01:17:15.000And then Bill was like, that's for their girlfriends!
01:18:32.000Oh, I bet he went, because in the early 2000s, his show, Politically Incorrect, was off the chain, awesome, and then he got kicked off TV because he was too hot for TV.
01:18:39.000Tell him the truth about the war machine.
01:18:42.000He said that the guys that hijacked the planes were probably not cowards, because that was a brave thing to do, to throw your life away for something you believe in.
01:19:07.000And in 10 years, when all of these young people who have built up big followings on TikTok are now talking politics, I'm not gonna see what they're saying.
01:19:14.000Of course, me understanding that issue, I try to have a better connection to the generation's concerns in the political arena, of which, right now, as millennials, I'm entering.
01:19:27.000The end of my 30s, I'll be 37 in about two weeks.
01:19:34.000Well, we've got, you know, you're young-ish, I guess.
01:19:37.000It's me, I'm a token female young person.
01:19:38.000There you go, we're bringing young people.
01:19:40.000And we try to pay attention to what younger people are talking about, but there's a lot less younger people who care about politics, and that's the way it tends to be.
01:19:47.000When Bill Maher turned 60, And millennials are now in their 30s inheriting these systems and saying... Raising kids of their own.
01:20:04.000You get Loudoun County, you get that fight.
01:20:06.000And Bill Maher, in his 60s, doesn't pay attention to these mediums, has no idea what's going on, and I'd be willing to bet the only reason he came to the position where he is now, calling it out, is because he kept getting notes from his publicist saying, you're a Nazi today, you're a white supremacist tomorrow.
01:20:22.000And Bill was probably like, what is this?
01:20:25.000Why am I getting negative press from all of these people?
01:20:28.000Then he gets half-introduced to what everyone else is talking about, now he's like, this is crazy, people are yelling at me for this stuff?
01:20:36.000If Bill Maher actually paid attention to a show like this, or to the commentary we've had for the past several years, or even like the Lotus Eaters podcast with Carl Benjamin for a decade, He'd be well-versed on the modern culture wars.
01:20:47.000But it's not just that he doesn't pay attention.
01:20:50.000It's that, I think this is true for most demographics, generations, they care about their peers.
01:20:57.000I don't pay attention to what Gen Xers are paying attention to.
01:21:06.000I only know who that is because of my own kids, so there you go.
01:21:10.000Bill Maher most likely cares about people in his surrounding demographic.
01:21:14.000Which is nice about what's happening, because it's like he emerged from the Matrix out of that tank of wet goo, and he's like pulling other people out of it with him, like Bryan Cranston.
01:21:24.000People that are like 65, 60 year old Normies that are really influential are friends with Bill, so like, he's kind of a tip of a spear for that generation.
01:21:34.000His new, um, I saw him and Cranston did an episode of his new show, uh, what is it?
01:21:59.000We've got to figure out when we're going to publish it.
01:22:00.000We're going to record it on Friday mornings, because Friday mornings are just garbage news days, and the views are way down, people are a lot less interested.
01:22:09.000I know it's not for people who like watching the news segments on Fridays, but it's just like journalists are all checked out, and I'm like, it's an opportunity to do a different show.
01:22:16.000So we have a guest coming this Friday, I believe, And it's going to be cultural, but it's not going to be news topics like we do here, talking about current events.
01:22:26.000It's going to be just an open conversation.
01:22:27.000What I love about the open convo is because that's how you envelop the spirit of the individual.
01:22:32.000The real conversation is bringing the humanity out of people.
01:22:34.000We can talk about what happened and what might happen, but you really want to talk to someone about who they are.
01:23:24.000And I did want to say, sorry to cut you off, the only thing I was going to say is, I just looked it up while we were talking, and Bill Maher doesn't have any children, so what you're saying, like the reason that you know who this pop singer is is because you have children, the people who keep you alert to what's going on in your school system, the people who you have to think, well what's in their best interest, what are their concerns, you know, some people, If you didn't have kids like I'm not gonna speculate on why but it is interesting that this coincides with the push especially for young women not to have children to say why we got that crazy list why you know 300 reasons why you should definitely not have children they're bad and even the good reasons are actually bad you know there is a push to keep people away
01:24:02.000from being connected to generations as well as to people within their own community.
01:24:30.000It's it's a silly game and you like you're a guy and you have you can like grab stuff and you climb up It's it's a weird control.
01:24:36.000I don't know how to describe it You're just like a little dude trying to like climb obstacles and make it to the exit But don't turn on the audio because if you turn it on all you'll hear is like ten-year-olds going And I'm like, okay.
01:24:50.000If you want to figure out what the kids are up to, just play Call of Duty and then you'll get some 12-year-old.
01:24:53.000I'm playing Hogwarts Legacy with my teenage son right now.
01:24:56.000Yeah, I'm playing that now, but not with my teenage son.
01:25:01.000We're going to go to Super Chats pretty soon, but I want to ask you about your book, The Rise of the Fourth Reich, because we've been talking about COVID, basically the government reactions to COVID.
01:25:10.000What is it about that that you saw that had in common with the Third Reich, which is Hitler's organization, his Nazi organization?
01:25:17.000So a lot of people know about the Nuremberg trials that came out of World War II, but there was another aspect of the Nuremberg trials.
01:25:23.000They held separate trials for what they described basically as a biomedical fascist state, that essentially the healthcare sector had fused with the state to impose a lot of the experimentation, And was categorized as healthcare policy.
01:25:41.000And so there was the Hippocratic Oath, the idea of human worth and dignity were totally lost via the healthcare sector.
01:25:49.000So there was no more guardrails for anyone to go to for their humanity to get recognized once the state took it away.
01:25:57.000Were you going to say something there, Tim?
01:25:58.000I was going to ask you about... I'm just thinking about what we did with Japan when we brought...
01:26:04.000Didn't we bring over a bunch of their scientists?
01:26:06.000Oh, you're thinking of, we brought over a bunch of the German scientists.
01:26:09.000Paperclip, but there was also something with the Japanese scientists.
01:26:11.000Yeah, because we learned a lot of information from Unit 731, just because they did things that we never would say were ethical to do, and they just took the information anyways, and then now we have all this, you know.
01:26:20.000I was gonna say, I wonder if, like, war stuff, if you're talking about World War I, and I'm like, I'm wondering if that typically is their excuse for experimentation.
01:26:35.000And so, what we saw here is the exact same thing.
01:26:39.000Obamacare basically ended what was left of the individual patient-provider relationship on a corporate level in much of America.
01:26:46.000You can still find doctors that are independent, you can still go to a place like an integrative family health clinic in your area and not get sick care, but actual health care, but By and large, corporately, Obamacare ended the patient-provider system.
01:27:08.000And all of that now was perfectly set up for when COVID came along.
01:27:13.000All of these ham-fisted policies that we didn't look at anything individual, didn't look at individual regions, because New York's hospitals are run over, Montana's schools have to be shut down, and on and on and on it went.
01:27:25.000And the fact that they were the tip of the spear to impose all of this, that you were never allowed to question any of it, the science was against them from the very beginning.
01:27:35.000I think a lot of people thought that this was a substitute for the global warming debate, a bunch of right-wingers against scientific consensus.
01:27:46.000The reality is there were elite scientists from Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Oxford, number one rated university in the world according to U.S.
01:27:53.000News & World Report, that pushed back against these things from the very beginning of the Imperial College survey that shut the world down.
01:28:01.000They were ignored by the Trump White House, they were ignored by every government in the world, and we just went with this ham-fisted plan instead.
01:28:10.000When the data showed they were wrong, they showed no humility, no empathy.
01:28:14.000They violated 90 years of science on masks that we had developed since the Spanish flu, post-World War I. We knew they didn't work against respiratory viruses.
01:28:21.000That's why you haven't been wearing masks every cold and flu season your entire life.
01:28:25.000They knew all of this, and yet they imposed this power instead.
01:28:30.000We get into that in the book, and I think what really sets this book apart from other attempts that will be made to have a reckoning of this era... Go ahead.
01:28:40.000I want to make sure we point out, they literally murdered people.
01:29:16.000You want to fact check me on this one?
01:29:17.000Where they said that bats had bitten and peed on people in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and that could be how the SARS-CoV-2 may have gotten out of the lab.
01:29:26.000Then, abruptly, it was rescinded, and they said, nope, nope, we're wrong about that.
01:29:31.000What I wanted to bring up was, we can talk about mandates and lockdowns, But they literally killed people, and I want to just make sure we can be specific about this.
01:29:41.000They took COVID patients and put them in nursing homes with the most vulnerable populations.
01:30:01.000We can make up every argument in the world about why they decided not to use the Javits Center, why they decided not to put the ships that Trump sent in to use those facilities, and instead took people with COVID who should not be in nursing homes and put them there.
01:30:19.000The Beijing-sponsored South China University paper that said that instead of coming out of the seafood market, it was possible that someone had the blood of bat on their skin, and that one of the researchers had been attacked by a bat.
01:30:34.000So he had quarantined for 28 days after that.
01:31:42.000We got to go to Super Chats, but I want to bring up one last thing.
01:31:45.000Did you know that in 2019 it was reported they were doing gain-of-function research on avian flu to specifically make it transmissible among mammals and got the avian flu to infect ferrets?
01:31:57.000And the question is, now, why would you go ahead and make something like that?
01:32:00.000The avian flu mortality rate is 60% when it does cross over to humans, which is rare, because it's difficult for the virus to do.
01:32:07.000But why would you do gain-of-function to make it so it does?
01:32:09.000All the answers to that question are bad.
01:33:23.000I don't know why the Biden administration would pay Twitter personalities to shill for them, because I just think a lot of people would do it for nothing out of cultic devotion to the agenda, frankly.
01:33:48.000We need to, I'm trying to get in touch with James O'Keefe.
01:33:52.000He is not an easy man to get in touch with right now.
01:33:53.000I imagine he's got NDAs or something, but I'd like to get in touch with him.
01:33:56.000And so if he hears this, so we can try and figure out what he's going to do, because I'm sure Whenever he has the chance, and I assume he can launch something quickly, we gotta get him in here so he can tell all of you guys where to direct your donations to keep the work going.
01:34:10.000I don't think anybody's got faith in Veritas without a James O'Keefe.
01:37:00.000I have a feeling that James O'Keefe simply comes out and announces he's launching, you know, the truth operation and instantly is making $10 million a year, hires a staff, and the next video we see of a big expose comes from them and not Veritas.
01:37:15.000You know how there are some companies where one person does 87 jobs and when they leave it's very difficult to replace them?
01:37:21.000Like not only does James have this public persona, people send him information, he is involved in the administrative day-to-day, he's involved in his own reporting, like it would be so difficult to replace him and it's easy for him to maintain all of the skills that he has and just start something new.
01:37:42.000Well, so, you know, I just gotta say, James, you know, come on the show and then figure out the new organization and we'll do a whole show.
01:37:50.000So as soon as he gets that ready, we'll have him here and we'll figure it out.
01:37:54.000Yeah, I guess, what did they say, like he was packing up his stuff or something?
01:37:56.000Is that what they said in their statement?
01:37:58.000I imagine half the employees are gonna leave and join his new company if he does that, I would imagine.
01:38:20.000I mean, the Epstein stuff, but, like, he's been going for a while, right?
01:38:23.000Like, it's hard for me not to think that there is something that he wanted to do that the board was like, no, we're not willing to look at.
01:38:29.000I think James got so freaked out because he was putting his life on the line, and he's like, do what I say!
01:39:04.000Whenever complete and utter stupidity is the most benign and innocent explanation, rest assured, every other potential option is far worse than that.
01:39:20.000So this is either just mind-numbing stupidity, that even if he is guilty of everything you're accusing him of, that you would choose now, with the organization at its pinnacle of influence and success, to absolutely kneecap and decapitate it.
01:39:37.000That's either the issue, all these people just got this instantaneously stupid, rather than handle this stuff privately, or, Fill in the blank.
01:39:50.000Randall Hogan says, Tim, you need to hire James to run Timcast News.
01:39:54.000James O'Keefe does not need, I do not think he needs my help on anything, or I would also say, I don't know if I could afford to hire James O'Keefe.
01:40:05.000I mean, I heard he comes with a lot of legal fees.
01:40:09.000And his salary is publicly known, you know, because it's a non-profit, they disclose what his salary is.
01:40:14.000But more importantly, James has the talent, work ethic and wherewithal to simply snap his fingers to create a new organization, and with all the experience he's gained, probably get it up and running within less than half a year, and then instantly, with his friends and allies in the space, have more than enough donors to be right back to where he was.
01:40:34.000It may be a bump in the road, but nobody needs to hire James.
01:40:37.000James is probably just going to moonwalk his way into a new organization with a new name, and it'll be bigger and better than ever.
01:40:43.000I recommend a private for-profit corporation.
01:40:46.000I don't think anyone who donates to Veritas is concerned about how James is... Let me put it this way.
01:40:54.000James leaving, effectively ending Veritas, and everyone's like, he is Veritas.
01:41:00.000I'm willing to bet every person who has given James O'Keefe money, if James said to his donors, guys, my boat is broken and I work too much, the only way I can get it fixed is if I fly on a private charter, here's how much we've brought in, does anyone care if I spend $14,000 on this?
01:41:16.000I bet 98% or 100% would be like, James, you deserve this man.
01:41:21.000The risks you've taken, the work you've done, the positive impact you've had on society, take a private jet.
01:41:28.000If he had a for-profit company, nobody would bat an eye.
01:41:30.000They'd be like, well, it's his own company.
01:41:32.000He makes the money, he can do what he wants.
01:41:35.000Starts a non-profit, takes a smaller salary than he would've if he was in a for-profit, and then now he's being accused of, and not to mention, all of his lies.
01:41:43.000I just don't, I'm not gonna believe it, sorry.
01:41:44.000They say he was abusing employees, then when that is disproven and the donor, two donors come out and they're like, that never happened, those are lies.
01:41:51.000Now it's, well, he was spending money he wasn't supposed to spend.
01:41:57.000All right, Matthew Emmons says, if only we knew someone who was starting a non-profit that James could pivot to, if only it could be named Ministry of Truth.
01:42:23.000It's both the strength and the weakness of it because you can't start it without having three people in charge, which means two of them can throw you out at any moment if you're one of the three.
01:42:31.000You really got to trust the people you work with, have a vision for the future, and, I don't know, just pray that the thing works.
01:42:37.000It's weird to think that you can spend three years building something and then your two managing partners can just decide you're out.
01:42:42.000I don't know if they can do it without just cause.
01:42:44.000I don't know if that works, but, you know, it's...
01:42:47.000So a lot of people are mentioning, like, I should hire James or start something with him, and I'm just kind of like, James needs to be the sole owner, CEO, 100% board member, all of that stuff of his own for-profit corporation, and then he can come on this show anytime he wants when he wants to shed it out and build up a membership base to help fund his work.
01:43:05.000And as I mentioned earlier in the show, he should do, the legal fees are probably the most difficult thing for these guys.
01:43:13.000But he should do the normal work they're doing and then offer a Project Veritas commentary behind the scenes for paying members.
01:43:21.000So sign up for 10, 20 bucks a month, support Veritas, for-profit, not tax-deductible, but then you can listen to James talk about the story in a more candid, you know, fashion that he records like once a week or with every story.
01:44:21.000Imagine being one of these board members right now, having to go into a meeting with Project Veritas, and they're going to be like, is anybody wearing the lapel mics?
01:44:50.000It makes me wonder also, like, we've been working with James for years, like, what does he already know about them that before he would have kept to himself that now he doesn't have to, right?
01:44:59.000Like, unless they got him to sign a non-disparagement agreement, which I really doubt, they are completely vulnerable to him.
01:45:07.000He's gotta start a non-profit in West Virginia.
01:45:14.000Yeah, New York's a terrible idea if you want to be a non-profit.
01:45:16.000Or at least a conservative non-profit.
01:45:18.000All right, Rath says, Tim, AP News, roughly 30 minutes ago, so this is about 8 p.m., Ohio metal plant up in flames, several people injured.
01:46:00.000Four decades maybe, but like during famine or whatever, you know, if you had a couple eggs, probably very expensive.
01:46:06.000But I think also more people had chickens, right?
01:46:10.000During times of famine, people had their own livestock and ways of... Families, I think until what, like the 1900s, every family had a cow.
01:46:37.000And there was just pigs all over the place.
01:46:39.000This is something that didn't get a lot of media attention.
01:46:41.000I think that people have a deep-seated hatred for pigs because of the way that the wild boars would hide in the bushes and ambush people, gore them, and then eat them alive.
01:47:31.000You know, I'm not trying to accuse all vegans of liking meat, but the activist vegans have had people be like, yeah, yeah, that's why they buy fake bacon.
01:47:38.000The idea that vegan meat exists shows that these people are unhappy with their choices.
01:47:46.000But I will point out that there's that famous video of when the hurricane was coming and the whole store is cleared out, but the vegan section is completely full.
01:47:53.000Like nobody wanted to buy any of that stuff.
01:48:54.000In Iowa, we have a place called Living History Farms where you can go back to the agrarian, more agrarian time in America.
01:49:01.000And you can actually do like theme dinners.
01:49:04.000And one of the, I went, my wife and I went with some couples several years ago to What was dinner in Iowa was like for a family in like 1911 because it was 2011 so a hundred, you know And it was a I could not believe by the way the amount of carbs they consumed I could not believe the amount of calories they consumed and absolutely one of the palate cleansers in between meals was a thing of sugar cubes, okay, and
01:49:31.000And so as someone who over the years has lost like over 100 pounds,
01:49:36.000like I'm like really cognizant of the amount of food that I get served now, you know?
01:49:41.000And I remember asking the attendant, how did all these people ate this much food?
01:49:47.000And yet, man, like size 36 jeans would have been considered chubby to them, right?
01:49:52.000I had to lose 100 pounds to fit into a size 36 jean.
01:49:55.000And she said to me, well, they also worked out in the fields for nine hours a day and burned all those calories off.
01:50:02.000There was this study that came out that said that our average body temperature has gone down by a degree because we are less active as a whole, right?
01:50:10.000More employment is sedentary, so you spend more time sitting.
01:50:13.000We are seeing the effects of the shifts in our economic lifestyle.
01:50:16.000I don't necessarily want to work in a field.
01:50:18.000So that's why you saw Michael Phelps, when he was swimming, was doing 5,000 calories per meal.
01:50:40.000I dated this girl who ran marathons and we would eat giant, she'd make giant pasta meals and then eat it and then just be super thin like a, and I'm like, I couldn't eat, I couldn't do it.
01:50:49.000Dude, I would wake up in the morning and we'd go grab like some fast food.
01:50:53.000I'd get like two burgers, two nuggets.
01:51:08.000The next day, I wouldn't be able to walk.
01:51:11.000I would just be paralyzed from my muscles just tightening up and I couldn't move.
01:51:15.000Yeah, I know I have a family friend whose sons are both very elite baseball players.
01:51:19.000One plays in college, one plays in high school.
01:51:20.000And she used to tell me, especially when they were going through puberty, and both of these guys are like 6'5", 6'7", they're huge.
01:51:26.000She used to just get pounds of ground turkey and cook it for them, and they would just eat it all the time because they were constantly hungry.
01:51:33.000One of them went to boarding school, so there's a cafeteria, a dining hall, and he didn't have access to food all the time, and he lost 30 pounds because he was just this huge athlete who needed calories.
01:51:46.000I mean, that's the closest we have to this time period that you're talking about when there's much more physical labor.
01:51:51.000Also, you walked more places to get around, transportation.
01:51:54.000People also really underestimate how much calories they're eating.
01:51:59.000Like when they started adding the calorie counter to menus and stuff at a fast food restaurant, and you're like, you mean a burger and fries is 1,500 calories?
01:52:33.000But the issue is, To clarify what your question is, if you take the same piece of food and two people, like exact replicas, and two people eat it, their bodies will handle it differently.
01:52:43.000And there is no way it could be equal in the energy output.
01:52:47.000So that's why the calorie is not in the food.
01:52:52.000Someone who is 6 foot 5, 220 pounds muscle is given a cupcake.
01:52:57.000Someone who is 90 pound female who does an exercise is given the same exact cupcake.
01:53:03.000The body is going to use them in very different ways.
01:53:05.000The output will probably be very different.
01:53:08.000And actually, a better example might be like a steak, where you've got a lot of protein, the body's got to break down very hard in the liver or something like that.
01:53:17.000A dude is going to probably rip through that thing way better than someone who's not working out or sedentary.
01:53:24.000Not only that, but I mean like somebody who's morbidly obese and doesn't exercise, who's given a cupcake, is going to have a blood sugar spike and probably feel really sick.
01:53:32.000An athlete will probably just not even notice.
01:53:39.000Anyway, all right, let's read some more of these superchats.
01:53:42.000OMG Puppies says, Jehovah's Witnesses and Adventists believe the earth will be restored to the Garden of Eden and the saved will live there.
01:53:50.000The 144,000 are a special group who go to heaven.
01:54:14.000Ted Mahoney says national divorce would reduce the remaining states to global insignificance and we would be dissected and ruled by other superpowers.
01:55:38.000The only way you're going to hold the Union together outside of civil war or revival Is you're going to have to have more governors do what DeSantis has done in Florida.
01:55:51.000Militant forms of federalism and interposition.
01:55:55.000The doctrine of interposition of the lesser magistrate.
01:55:59.000That's what the founders wanted state and local governments to do.
01:56:03.000Is the people you elected on a state and local level, juries were a form of interposition.
01:56:08.000They called them the fourth branch of government.
01:56:11.000So, right down to twelve peers on a local jury, you could interpose.
01:56:16.000If Washington, if the federal government went off the rails, these other layers could stand in and say, no, you don't get to impose that upon my people.
01:56:29.000We will practice, through the doctrine of the lesser magistrate, forms of interposition.
01:56:34.000You have to, and they've done that to us.
01:56:37.000When Donald Trump got elected in 2000, when Donald Trump took office in January of 2017, there were fewer elected Democrats in office in America than there had been since before the Great Depression, before FDR's New Deal created the modern democratic coalition.
01:56:52.000And yet, did San Francisco say, ah, snap.
01:56:55.000Republicans have total control of the White House, and Orange Man Bat is president.
01:57:01.000We're going to stop doing subsidies for trans homeless people in San Francisco now, because the other sides... Did San Francisco change anything they were doing?
01:57:53.000And you've got Frederick, and then you've got the college towns, and you've got... But you're still in a state where Democrats haven't won in a presidential election a precinct since 2000.
01:59:32.000There's a famous story where there was a grant for African-American scholarship or something, and a blonde-haired white kid showed up, and they were like, what is this?
02:00:09.000I knew a guy who was not an American citizen, and this was a long time ago at a different job I had, and we were talking about Caucasian, African-American, Pacific Islander, what do these things mean?
02:00:20.000And then this guy got really mad, he's like, I am not African-American!
02:01:08.000Talk to those you love and care about.
02:01:10.000Well, the cult of the Spirit of the Age is doing that now.
02:01:13.000It's just doing it in terms of, you are separated from your family into the new woke religion.
02:01:21.000And you should separate yourself from anybody that might have different viewpoints rather than Debate them, discuss with them, or even try to defeat them in the arena of ideas.
02:01:29.000They're automatically a lesser form of human.
02:01:34.000So they're the other and should not be considered for polite viewing or for debate whatsoever.
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