In this episode, we discuss the Roe v. Wade leak, the Florida family who are suing a school for gender transitioning their child, and much, much more. We're joined by Helena Kirschner and Seamus to discuss it all.
00:00:33.000The writers for season two, they could not make things more absurd.
00:00:37.000And so, quite literally, Vice publishes an article talking about misoprostol, a horse drug for treating horse ulcers that induces abortion in women.
00:00:46.000And they're like, this is what you can do!
00:00:48.000And in the same breath, in the same paragraph, they're like, also like ivermectin, which is also horse medicine.
00:00:54.000And I'm just like, are you kidding me?
00:01:03.000We got the Supreme Court Justice, Chief Justice John Roberts has confirmed that this leak is in fact an initial draft and now there's conspiracies running rampant about who leaked it.
00:01:14.000The left is claiming it was leaked by conservatives.
00:01:17.000To force the other conservative justices, it was leaked by Alito's camp, so it would force them to agree with him because initial drafts can change.
00:01:27.000And because this got leaked, any change to it now would insinuate public pressure changed their ruling.
00:01:33.000Yeah, I gotta be honest, like literally all of the news is just abortion.
00:01:50.000But, uh, we've also got other stuff that's in a similar vein, too.
00:01:53.000We've got this story out of Florida where a family is suing because a school was gender transitioning their child without the parents knowing.
00:02:00.000So joining us to talk about that and many other things is Helena Kirshner.
00:02:06.000I write and I talk primarily about trans issues from my perspective as someone who detransitioned and identified as trans for about five years.
00:02:22.000Well, I wouldn't say that I transitioned to a man because I was never a man, but I did identify as various flavors of non-binary and then eventually as a boy and I took testosterone for about a year and a half.
00:02:38.000So this is gonna get interesting because there is an overlap, obviously, with all of these issues.
00:02:42.000And I gotta just point it out because we often do.
00:02:44.000You know, when reading these stories, when we're starting with the left advocating for people taking horse medicine, I'm just like, there's no principles behind what they're advocating for.
00:03:01.000And I just want to mention, the entire Ivermectin horse medicine thing was mostly a straw man directed at the right, but it's so hilarious that they couldn't even maintain the don't take horse medicine position that they totally fabricated to try to dunk on us.
00:03:27.0004 is my favorite number because when I used to play Sorry, the board game, if the first card you drew was a 4, you got to go backwards and then immediately got into the safe zone.
00:04:13.000Well, the other thing I want to point out is that if you guys are going to be putting numbers in the chat for me, you know, 20s, 1s, be a little more creative with exactly what number you think I rolled.
00:04:23.000Because it's a 5% chance you're going to get a 1 or a 20.
00:04:25.000Like, you can roll a 12, you can roll a 13, you can roll a 4, it's okay.
00:04:50.000If you head over to TimCast.com, you can actually see that the front page story we have right now is about a Florida mother suing a school that secretly discussed gender transition with her middle schooler.
00:04:58.000But we'll get into that later when we have, you know, I want to give a dedicated segment where we go deep in that stuff.
00:05:03.000Well, I hope the FBI is looking into her.
00:05:45.000So with your support, we're going to rustle up some feathers Um, smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends.
00:05:53.000Let's jump into this first story from Motherboard.
00:05:58.000Anarchist collective shares instructions to make DIY abortion pills.
00:06:03.000DIY medicine collectives are preparing for the horrifying prospect that Roe v. Wade will be overturned.
00:06:08.000And in this image, I guess that's misoprostol, I suppose, they're saying with the Supreme Court poised to overturn the constitutional rights to abortion, Constitutional right.
00:06:16.000An anarchist collective that makes DIY medicine has released detailed instructions for making abortion pills.
00:06:22.000The group has previously released instructions for making DIY EpiPen and for making... What is that?
00:06:35.000The pill that made Farmer Bro Martin Shkreli famous.
00:06:38.000We talked about this a bit on the show that like, uh, I think it was Thomas, with Thomas Massey, that horse and no, no sheep epinephrine is like 30 bucks for 50 doses.
00:06:50.000And it's like the same dosage a person gets.
00:06:52.000And it's like, Oh, but you can't take sheep, take sheep medicine.
00:06:54.000And I think Thomas was saying, no, it's literally the same thing.
00:06:58.000The insurance agencies are colluding with the pharmaceutical companies to spike the prices.
00:07:03.000You pay your insurance, they pay the claim for you, they raise your insurance, and then you get this overpriced medicine.
00:07:09.000Well, I don't know about all that, but what I do know is in the article it says, in the video, Laufer explains that besides being used to medically induce abortions, misoprostol is also used to treat ulcers in horses.
00:07:19.000This makes misoprostol powder relatively easy to acquire from veterinary sources.
00:07:25.000This is reminiscent of ivermectin, which is used to control parasites in horses, but also became a favored but ineffective COVID treatment among conspiracy theorists.
00:07:33.000Ivermectin's use in horses made it easier for humans to get without a prescription.
00:07:38.000Laufer explains in the video how to dose misoprostol and how to press it into pills using a scale, corn syrup, powdered sugar, a spray bottle, and a pollen press.
00:07:49.000They explain that a three-dose regimen of misoprostol is 85% effective in inducing abortion.
00:07:55.000If taken with Mifepristone, another abortion pill, that raises, that rate raises, oh, if taken with Mifepristone, is that how you say that?
00:08:04.000The rate rises to 95% effectiveness through, though raw Mifepristone is harder to source.
00:08:08.000So what they're actually saying in this is that people who are outraged over the potential overturning of Roe v. Wade have told people to go to the vet to buy horse medicine so they can have abortions.
00:08:20.000Look, if the worst case scenario about the Ivermectin horse paste thing was that it didn't do anything, it didn't do anything.
00:08:27.000There were some stories about people getting sick because they would eat like a tube of horse paste and you can't do that.
00:09:38.000Secondly, I talked about this last night.
00:09:40.000People are going to be inducing miscarriages now.
00:09:44.000That's the problem with making it illegal is people are going to keep doing it and they're going to find probably more dangerous and violent ways to do it.
00:10:35.000Especially with gun control, it's complicated because people are finding more and more ways to create them and get them.
00:10:40.000But ultimately, part of the reason why we oppose gun control is because we know it would be harder to get a firearm and fewer of us would be able to if it were implemented.
00:12:13.000Most people in this country, even today, disagree with abortions after the first trimester.
00:12:19.000That means second trimester and third, no abortions!
00:12:22.000I think the New York Times reported this, that Roe v. Wade actually stops certain restrictions on abortion in the second trimester, which creates this paradox, but we get to that in a second.
00:12:34.000So the right today still wants to ban abortion, but now the left wants all restrictions removed, which is a huge leap from where it was when I was younger.
00:12:44.000Meaning, in the first trimester, if there are certain issues, so the issues that get brought up frequently are ectopic pregnancies.
00:12:51.000Which I suppose the argument, Seamus, you and Matt Walsh brought up is that you don't consider an abortion an ectopic pregnancy.
00:12:57.000That's the principle of double effect.
00:12:59.000So basically there are certain medical procedures you might have to perform on a sick woman who happens to be pregnant that could result in the death of the unborn child.
00:13:07.000And you perform that surgery to save her life, and if the unborn child dies, that's unfortunate, but your intention is not to go in there and kill the child.
00:13:15.000It's an unintended side effect of the operation, so that isn't considered an abortion.
00:13:19.000Including by certain pro-choice organizations, by the way.
00:13:21.000Many of them won't call it an abortion.
00:13:23.000I know WebMD doesn't call it an abortion.
00:13:24.000I believe Planned Parenthood does not call it a top-of-the-pregnancy procedure.
00:13:26.000So this is the argument that's often made from the left, because I don't think they're having conversations with conservatives, because I think talking to Matt Walsh was particularly enlightening.
00:13:34.000He effectively said, you can terminate a pregnancy, but it doesn't mean you have to kill the baby.
00:13:39.000Meaning at certain points, if you can save the baby's life, why wouldn't you do it?
00:13:43.000So it's like, there's an interesting question I think for most pro-abortion people we should ask.
00:13:51.000If a woman is pregnant in the second or third trimester, and the baby can safely be removed ending the pregnancy, but the baby can also be saved, should that be mandated?
00:14:03.000Yeah, I think, I mean, I think they would say no.
00:14:05.000It's interesting, you mentioned that the left has become more extreme on this issue, and I completely agree, but on the other hand, I think they've really just become more consistent to their base principle here.
00:14:14.000On the right, the argument was that this is a human life, and so it has to be protected from conception until natural death, and on the side of the left, it was basically the argument that, like, either we don't know if this is a human life, or it outright isn't a human life, and in that case, it doesn't make sense to restrict it at all.
00:14:29.000So we were talking a little bit before the show, and Helena, you were saying that you don't have a really strong position on this.
00:15:07.000The government has to protect the rights of the living. You have two people. And I'm like,
00:15:10.000there's a really interesting ethical conundrum in here when we're talking about the rights of
00:15:14.000two people sharing one body and one bloodstream. And then I looked to the left and they say things
00:15:18.000like life doesn't begin until first breath.
00:15:22.000That's a, that's a quote from the Bible, I think.
00:15:24.000Well, no, no, it's not from the Bible.
00:15:26.000There are certain people who have tried to argue that because, um, Adam takes or God breathes life into Adam in the old Testament, that that means that scripture is saying life does not begin until the first breath, but that's an unbelievable reach.
00:15:39.000And the prohibition on abortion is one of the earliest Christian teachings.
00:15:43.000I mean, the States all the way back to the first century.
00:16:06.000And I don't understand why so many people are screaming at the top of their lungs about this because abortion wasn't even banned.
00:16:11.000It's just going to a state-level thing, so it's like, okay, I don't know, petition your state, vote for your local reps, or if you're the majority of Democrats and you live in a blue state, you have nothing to worry about.
00:16:21.000I think some of it is just sort of your classic typical histrionic leftist behavior.
00:16:25.000Every time something goes wrong for them in politics, they end up throwing a tantrum and will even burn down cities, attack people, commit acts of violence.
00:16:33.000Another part of it is I think there are some number of people whose consciences are genuinely bothered because either they've had an abortion or they've helped someone participate.
00:16:40.000You know, they've participated in helping someone procure an abortion and they haven't really reconciled with the wrongness of that.
00:16:46.000And so anything that reminds them that some people don't approve of that behavior really sends them off I want to pull up this poll from Civics.
00:16:53.000Which party is more concerned with people like you?
00:16:57.000I chose the 18-34 demographic and you can see 41% say Democrats, 30% say neither, 25% say Republicans, and I probably fall in that neither camp and I assume most people watching do.
00:17:10.000That's why a lot of the arguments coming from the Democrats on this issue don't make sense because they lump the neither and the Republican groups together.
00:17:17.000Even though like the neither side is like, well, I guess I'll vote for a Republican because the Democrats are nuts, but I don't like Republicans at all.
00:17:24.000Well, and it's also the case that for me, I'm very conservative, but I don't really feel the Republican party has my best interests in mind as a person either.
00:17:33.000And I think most Republicans don't feel that way.
00:17:35.000It's actually very interesting that 41% say they think the Democratic Party has their interest in mind because what that says to me is Democrats are just much more likely to fall in lockstep with the party line and say, oh, the politician who told me they have my best interest in mind has my best interest in mind.
00:17:52.000I had a conversation with Steven Crowder.
00:17:54.000And he asked me about my stance on abortion.
00:17:56.000And then I was like, my family, you know, I grew up, we were pro-choice.
00:18:36.000Where he said, the baby will be delivered, and made comfortable, and then the mother and the doctor will have a conversation on what to do next.
00:18:44.000Yeah, I was like who am I voting for right now?
00:18:46.000So when we say politically homeless, you know I don't care if these zealot cult people are like you're a Republican.
00:18:52.000I'm like sure I guess cuz like not Snipping the spinal cord of a baby at nine months right as it's being born If I have a choice between not doing that and doing that I'd be like, I guess I'm voting Republican.
00:19:04.000Yeah, can I just mention one more thing before we jump into this?
00:19:06.000I think it goes even deeper than that because obviously you and I disagree on this.
00:19:09.000I don't believe there should be any exception.
00:19:11.000Abortion should be completely illegal.
00:19:13.000However, it's not just that the Democratic Party is even necessarily saying abortion up until the last second of pregnancy.
00:19:18.000In a number of states, as you mentioned, there have been discussions about even allowing the child to die after the abortion has failed.
00:19:24.000But on top of that, our quote-unquote very Catholic president, Joe Biden, Has talked about appealing the Hyde Amendment, and the Hyde Amendment prevents federal funding from paying for abortions.
00:19:34.000So basically the position of the left is that yes, taxpayers should be funding this.
00:20:20.000I just feel very cynically about both.
00:20:23.000I think the Democrats are wrong for obvious reasons, but then the Republicans are just kind of putting up a fake opposition to that and then siphoning off money from all their donors and then obviously not really putting up any resistance to it considering the last few decades.
00:21:20.000Anyway, he was saying that they go to him and they're like, we have the vote to end Obamacare, but don't do it because we need to rally up our base.
00:21:28.000You know, we don't want to lose the issue.
00:21:30.000I'm going to play this for you from Vox.
00:21:33.000There was a very contentious committee hearing yesterday when Fairfax County Delegate Kathy Tran made her case for lifting restrictions on third trimester abortions as well as other restrictions now in place.
00:21:44.000And she was pressed by a Republican delegate about whether her bill would permit an abortion, even as a woman is essentially dilating, ready to give birth.
00:21:53.000And she answered that it would permit an abortion at that stage of labor.
00:22:02.000Yeah, you know, I wasn't there, Julie, and I certainly can't speak for Delegate Tran, but I would tell you, one, first thing I would say, this is why decisions such as this should be made by providers, physicians, And the mothers and fathers that are involved.
00:22:24.000There are, you know, when we talk about third trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of obviously the mother, with the consent of the physicians, more than one physician, by the way.
00:22:37.000And it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that's non-viable.
00:22:44.000So, in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen.
00:22:50.000The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated, if that's what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.
00:23:04.000So, I think this was really blown out of proportion, but again, He said it would be resuscitated, and then a discussion would happen.
00:23:19.000In the context of an abortion, it sounds a lot like, to me, like he was saying a living baby would be kept comfortable and resuscitated, and then we discuss whether we kill it.
00:24:30.000Because he specifically said it's about, or at least he thinks it's about deformities and non-viability.
00:24:35.000So if a deformed child is born, I just don't see why that would be a reason of whether or not you could kill it.
00:24:44.000Either kill it or don't, but don't, it's not about like, I mean, I guess if the deformity is so horrific, like it's born with one lung, doesn't have a kidney.
00:24:51.000Helena, as somebody who doesn't have a very strong opinion, based on what you just heard, what do you think?
00:24:57.000I mean, I think that's, it's obviously very wrong to kill a living baby.
00:25:03.000And I think like a lot of people, they'll argue that this is just, it's an extreme version of like a pro-choice stance.
00:25:09.000But most women who are getting abortions like aren't, you know, killing their living babies.
00:25:14.000But then I think to myself, Well, then what does it say about someone like him, even if he does have that more moderate stance on abortion for, I guess, normal women, what does it say about his logic and his reasoning?
00:25:34.000Like I'm against abortion in all cases, but I believe what she's saying is he he's representing up arguably the more common position on abortion, but then he's also representing this very uncommon.
00:25:46.000And people say that this isn't a representation of like the average pro-choice person, but if the average pro-choice person would defend this, what does that say about like their, their ideology in general?
00:26:52.000It's hard for him to say though, but I think part of why it's hard for him to say is because he knows that the radical left has an immense amount of power in the Democratic Party, he's a coward who doesn't want to stand for human life, and He's aware that he will destroy his career as a member of the Democratic Party if he says anything about any kind of abortion.
00:27:06.000Also, I think he honestly supports the activity of killing a fully developed human baby that is just born that has a deformity, like a serious deformity.
00:27:23.000I mean, you really gotta strip apart deformity, because you could have, like, your finger could be bent, and that you're considered deformed as a child because one finger is bent.
00:27:30.000Like, that's not a reason to abort a kid.
00:27:33.000Well, and I agree with what you said earlier, that there is, I mean, whether someone is deformed or not, that's not a reason to kill somebody.
00:27:38.000Some deformities are so horrific that you might actually save the child from suffering.
00:27:42.000I know, it's an extreme example, but like, you know, severe brain damage.
00:27:48.000But then you ask that severely brain damaged person when they're 30 or 40, like, are you glad you're alive?
00:27:53.000But like, what kind of Destruction or they got not not destruction overt destruction, but what kind of like, you know sucking away of resources are Severely deformed people on society.
00:28:05.000I want to say deformed It's a very vague statement because it's not about like autism that I'm not talking about that kind of thing Even if I don't even think that as a deformable, can I just want to mention one thing?
00:28:14.000Because this is obviously a much bigger discussion.
00:28:16.000I just want to sort of say this to think about you mentioned them consuming resources, but what if it's the case that Resources are there for humans and not the other way around.
00:28:29.000The purpose of resource... That's very, um, homo-superior.
00:28:34.000I don't think that things are here for us.
00:28:35.000I think we just happen to be here and at the top of the food chain.
00:28:38.000But if we're talking about resources, like what if it is the case that human life is intrinsically valuable and the reason resources are valuable is because they help us, they help keep us alive, so to say, it's better off if this person is dead because that'll conserve resources is self-defeating because the purpose of the resource is to keep a person alive.
00:28:55.000Only because if people have unlimited food, they grow exponentially and overcrowd and destroy the system that they're like the deer population overeats, you know, and so there's this built in kind of like starvation method into humanity that keeps us from overgrowing almost, it seems like.
00:29:37.000Getting a little wide on the conversation.
00:29:38.000I'll just make one more point before we move on.
00:29:41.000One of the deformities that people refer to is, or one of the, we'll call it issues, that the left often refers to as to why abortions should be allowed is Down syndrome.
00:29:52.000And there was a, there's a very famous video of a man with Down syndrome, I think he's testifying before Congress, right?
00:29:58.000Saying that they would have me killed.
00:30:19.000And like, animals will destroy their young if they're not healthy, often.
00:30:23.000Other non-human animals like it's just they're gonna hoard hold back the pack You can't you can't risk everyone else's existence because of one small feeble child, but they'll destroy it at birth You know But our society is not crumbling because we're allowing disabled people to live our Society's crumbling because we don't care enough for one another and we view other human beings as objects in that way I think it's crumbling I mean, I guess it's just a way of looking at it.
00:30:43.000I think the society's thriving for the most part.
00:30:45.000I mean, there's a lot of tremendous victories that the pro-liberty or right, whatever you want to call it, has achieved recently.
00:30:55.000But I think the leak of the Roe v. Wade initial draft shows, for the first time in history this happened, like, yeah, our institutions are basically on fire.
00:31:09.000In a tweet from Steven Marsh, we've had on the show, he says, honestly guys, when a marriage gets like this, you sit the kids down and tell them it's over.
00:31:17.000And you figure out how to separate with as little pain and suffering as possible.
00:31:22.000He links to his article from The Guardian, in which he makes a very important point.
00:31:27.000He writes, Civil wars don't always begin with gunfire.
00:31:31.000Sometimes civil wars begin with learned arguments. In April 1861, Confederate forces shot on Fort
00:31:36.000Sumter. But at the time, even Jefferson Davis, the Confederate president, had doubts about whether
00:32:20.000These are blue check verified Twitter users taking donations through ActBlue advocating for insurrection.
00:32:30.000Yeah, I'll hold my breath and waiting for the May 2nd commission.
00:32:33.000So I also want to give one quick shout out to this tweet from Madison Cawthorn who said, Because if you went 10 years into the past and started telling people that, they would call in a 5150.
00:32:49.000Which, for those that aren't familiar, is involuntary commitment to a hospital for mental issues.
00:34:10.000I think, When we're talking about why people want the federal government to preserve abortion rights, is because if you're in a red state, or you say you're in a blue state, and then Roe v. Wade gets overturned, and your governor's like, don't worry, you can still be here, you set up a family, thousands, hundreds of thousands of people move there, they live there, they have lives, they have businesses, they set up families, then a new governor gets in and is like, nah, you can't have abortions here anymore.
00:34:33.000Why would one person get to make that decision?
00:34:36.000That's why it's federally instantiated, I believe.
00:34:38.000But then why would one person get to make the decision to allow it?
00:34:41.000That's another question, because they're making a decision to allow all of those unborn children to die.
00:34:45.000The people, the left keeps saying men should not be regulating women's bodies, and then everyone keeps posting a picture of the Supreme Court in 1973, which is all men.
00:34:52.000Well, and also our, you know, the, um, oh my gosh, I'm blanking on her name.
00:34:57.000She was just, uh, nominated by Biden for- Katonji.
00:35:01.000She could not answer the question of what a woman is.
00:35:02.000So what are they saying when they're talking about men regulating women's bodies?
00:35:05.000I just, this is the point, you know, with the first story about the horse medicine for abortion.
00:35:09.000It's like, dude, they're saying, there's a guy, a picture of a guy out in front of the Supreme Court or whatever holding a sign saying, men should not be regulating women's bodies.
00:35:18.000Or it was something like, it was something about like men, oh no, I know what it said.
00:35:24.000It said, if men could get pregnant, then abortion would be enshrined or whatever.
00:36:32.000They're not, you know, some of these crazy people that you see in the most extreme cases.
00:36:37.000And they really, really, really care about abortion.
00:36:40.000And obviously, you know, abortion being as accessible as possible.
00:36:43.000And then I'm just kind of sitting there thinking, like, well, A, I don't feel that strongly about it.
00:36:48.000Something about it makes me very uncomfortable.
00:36:51.000And, you know, I get confused thinking about all of these different, like, extreme possibilities of what could happen because I'm still just trying to, like, slow down and think about, OK, well, is it a human life or not?
00:37:03.000And I don't see the argument for why it's not a human life.
00:37:07.000And then if it is a human life, I have an important question.
00:37:17.000In your life experience, going through transition and detransition, do you feel that you were lied to by elements of the left?
00:37:24.000Yes, absolutely, and I'm highly skeptical of that.
00:37:27.000And even when that Ralph Northam guy says, oh, it's between a woman and her doctor, I hear that exact same thing said about the trans kids.
00:37:49.000This is the big issue that I personally face because, you know, I mean, traditionally liberal my whole life, but now the problem is, ooh, I love doing this, you ready?
00:38:42.000They don't want, I don't think the Republicans actually want abortion to be banned.
00:38:47.000Because just like the Democrats, they need the wedge issue.
00:38:50.000I think for some number of them, they recognize that to some percentage of the population, they would kind of become politically irrelevant if abortion was illegal.
00:38:57.000So some of them probably cynically exploit the issue.
00:38:59.000But I am curious to ask you, when you were in the process of, I guess they would call it transitioning, was there anyone in your life who tried to warn you against it or tried to stop you from going down that path?
00:39:13.000Um, the only person really would be my parents, but they, I just don't think they really knew how to handle it.
00:39:20.000I mean, how does anyone know how to handle that?
00:39:22.000Um, but yeah, they, they reacted very emotionally.
00:39:26.000And I think that that just furthered the schism between us and just sent me, like it, it literally, you know, ruined our relationship for like a year.
00:39:35.000Um, so that was pretty much the only person, but everyone else, including at my school, it was all like, yeah, you're a boy.
00:39:41.000Do you wish that there had been more people in your life at that time who would stand up for you and your dignity and protect you from that?
00:39:48.000Well, I think that you can be that voice for the unborn.
00:39:50.000I think you recognize that it is a life and it does begin at conception and I think you could do a lot of good in protecting the innocent in a way that you weren't protected when you needed someone.
00:40:00.000So I think everything a really big portion of his argument that is left out when it comes to the left.
00:40:05.000One of the things I heard is what happens if the placenta breaks early on in the pregnancy and it's terminal for the baby and the woman Republicans wouldn't allow an abortion in the circumstance.
00:40:18.000If something like that happened... Wait, could you repeat the question?
00:40:21.000So someone posted, it was like on Twitter, and they said, in the instance where a woman is like in a second trimester, and the platenta breaks, it's ruptured, and the baby and the mother will both die unless the baby is removed, they say Republicans would not allow that.
00:40:35.000So, again, my answer is you perform whatever surgery is necessary to save the mother without the intent to kill the child or without directly harming the child, and if the child dies as an unfortunate side effect of that, that happens, but that's not the same as an abortion.
00:40:49.000So I think that's an important semantic component that is overlooked.
00:40:53.000That when at least you and Matt Walsh were describing it, you're talking about abortion as specifically and only the intentional act of killing the baby.
00:41:02.000Now, I think there could be an argument to be made that someone could behave recklessly and kill a child and be morally culpable for that as well.
00:41:09.000But yeah, an abortion is the direct intentional murder of an unborn child.
00:41:12.000No, no, involuntary abortion, that's called miscarriage.
00:41:15.000We're not talking about the dictionary.
00:41:16.000We're talking about what is Seamus and Matt Walsh's intent in their language.
00:41:18.000medical term that is sometimes used the spontaneous abortion is a medical that
00:41:22.000sometimes you have to describe it we're not talking about we're not talking
00:41:24.000about the dictionary we're talking about what is Seamus and Matt Walsh's intent
00:41:27.000in their language okay so I can understand where he's coming from in
00:41:32.000terms of law because I don't think it's reasonable If a woman is like, I have a medical issue with my pregnancy and we're both going to die, it does not make sense to me that a conservative would be like, well, then you have to.
00:41:43.000No, that's why the woman has the right to carry a weapon, a second amendment to protect herself.
00:41:48.000Well, no, the point I'm making is in talking with Seamus and Matt, as well as many other pro-life people, there's, I've not encountered a circumstance where a pro-lifer has said the woman and the baby should both die if they have to.
00:42:26.000It's like, what is a voluntary or involuntary is what it comes down to.
00:42:30.000And then there are people who opt to escape that, obviously, and make it seem involuntary.
00:42:35.000I'd like to move over to a social component of the story.
00:42:38.000I just want to mention one more thing.
00:42:38.000I think there are instances where the left will... I have read petitions signed by literally hundreds of doctors that have said there's no such thing as a medically necessitated abortion.
00:42:47.000There are instances where surgery might need to be performed that poses a risk to the life of the unborn child, but there's no such thing as an instance where you have to go in and you have to kill the child.
00:42:54.000And this is important because what you're saying is You are not referring to the intentional act of killing the
00:43:00.000baby for the sake of removing it. You're saying in the instance where a mother is
00:43:05.000Has some medical issue the intention isn't to kill the baby, but the baby might die because of it
00:43:10.000Yeah, were you always like anti-abortion growing up my whole life have been anti-abortion
00:43:15.000In fact, there was a period of time in my late teens where I really didn't take my faith seriously.
00:43:19.000And I think for all intents and purposes, I could probably be described as atheistic.
00:43:23.000And at no point during that period in my life did I ever think it was okay to kill an unborn child.
00:43:28.000I just couldn't wrap my head around that being acceptable.
00:43:34.000And something occurs where the doctor is like, if we do not terminate this pregnancy, the mother will die.
00:43:43.000I want to be very careful about this because as I've said, I've read literature from doctors and I've spoken to doctors who have said that this kind of thing doesn't happen.
00:43:52.000Again, there are instances where a surgery could pose a risk to the life of a newborn child.
00:43:58.000Instead of trying to say, it doesn't happen so I can't answer it, let's just hypothetically I think I've laid out my principles, right?
00:44:05.000If there is a surgery that will save the mother's life, but it poses a risk to the life of a child, and that surgery's the only thing... Absolute death.
00:44:12.000Like, 20 weeks, you will die unless this pregnancy is ended right now.
00:44:38.000So you still do everything you can to save the baby and the mother.
00:44:40.000What if the surgery is much safer if you kill the baby and remove it as opposed to a much more risky procedure where you can try and preserve the baby and maybe the woman will live?
00:44:49.000Uh, again, I mean, we're getting so- That just doesn't exist.
00:44:52.000In my opinion, I say you destroy the fetus to give the woman the best chance of survival.
00:45:06.000I would be more comfortable erring on the side of do whatever the most likely thing for the mother of survival, whether that means, if it means that she's got a 10% chance less if you go for the... You know what's funny though?
00:45:18.000How many stories have you heard where a mother who has cancer forgoes chemo to save the life of her baby?
00:47:26.000It's chaotic, it expands, and it consumes.
00:47:32.000It's this fear and propaganda that just is making people crazy.
00:47:36.000Like I genuinely just... I don't feel this strongly about it because I don't feel that pregnancy would be the absolute worst thing that could ever happen to me that would end my life and so I need to like have this much fear that controls me about it.
00:47:48.000If you hear that states you don't live in may restrict abortion in a few months and then you look at some random man and you're like, I just can't!
00:48:48.000It was a woman saying, ladies, it's time for a sex strike.
00:48:51.000And it was like, explain to the men that it's too risky now.
00:48:54.000That because they could get pregnant and that means having a baby, they can't risk having sex with a man.
00:49:00.000And it's just like, that's the conservative argument.
00:49:02.000Like you're literally making the conservative argument for like not having sex at a wedlock.
00:49:06.000I think, but what you're ignoring, Tim, is they're actually talking about creating this institution where the woman only has sex with one man she trusts to raise a child with her in case she does get pregnant, and they're not allowed to leave each other.
00:49:19.000So I think that's like a new, original, interesting idea.
00:49:21.000Yo, you know what was one of the craziest things I was reading about?
00:49:24.000That there were lesbians who became straight during COVID lockdown.
00:49:30.000There was one, it was like, I think maybe Vice published it, where it was a woman, she was like, I'm a lesbian, but I was quarantined with my roommate who's male, and we started dating, and like, hooking up.
00:49:38.000And then she was like, she changed, like something... I don't know.
00:49:43.000It's interesting, because in the same way that we are not allowed to acknowledge the existence of detransitioners, such as yourself, you're also not allowed to acknowledge the existence of people who no longer identify as homosexual.
00:50:22.000I don't know how much that is like an actual lesbian turning straight because of the pandemic and how much of it is just like the queer ideology about what a lesbian actually is.
00:50:32.000Like I think that there's a lot of people who are involved in these communities and they call themselves gay or they call themselves a lesbian but it's like they're thinking of it more from like a gender identity perspective as opposed to like actually growing up being like a homosexual person.
00:51:34.000How did, how did you come to be trans and then how did you come to not be?
00:51:39.000Yeah, so it wasn't like I just woke up one day and went from being myself to wanting to be a boy.
00:51:46.000So growing up, I never, I wasn't like super masculine or anything.
00:51:51.000I was never even really like a tomboy.
00:51:53.000I feel like I had like a good even mix of like girl, typical boy, typical interests and stuff.
00:52:00.000So it really started for me when I started using the internet a lot.
00:52:04.000For me, it was Tumblr that I started using the most.
00:52:08.000And on Tumblr, there is a strong emphasis on social justice ideology.
00:52:14.000And so in order to participate in those communities, you have to adopt a lot of those beliefs.
00:52:19.000So I kind of adopted those radical progressive beliefs about gender and race and everything, honestly.
00:52:26.000And in that environment, it's highly encouraged to experiment with your gender identity.
00:52:32.000You see all of these messages that are just like, oh, well, if you don't like your body, that's a sign that you're trans.
00:52:39.000Or if you read certain kinds of fan fiction, that's a sign that you're trans.
00:52:43.000And you should change your pronouns, you should cut your hair and just see how it feels.
00:52:48.000And then every time you do that, you cut your hair to see how it feels, or you change your pronouns, then everybody comes and like lavishes positive attention on you.
00:52:55.000So I think it was like, yeah, Yeah, but it's for me, in my case, I know that there are legitimate cases of grooming where adults actually, I mean, there are trans activists who brag about how many minors they've sent hormones to through the male.
00:53:12.000So that definitely is a thing that happens.
00:53:14.000But for me, it was mostly like just other teenagers who were going through, I don't know, loneliness, depression, eating disorders are also really common, who were just kind of all latching on to this idea that They were born in the wrong body or they're meant to be someone else and they can just discover that and then they can bring that into the real world.
00:53:34.000That must feel very difficult to think that you are not actually yourself or you are not actually the person whose body that you occupy.
00:53:43.000I would say it's very easy for someone who's disconnected from reality and doesn't have a lot of ties to like the real physical world like for context in my adolescence I was one of those kids who like I didn't really play any sports I didn't have a lot of friends in real life I mainly just kind of was online doing creative things like writing and doing art and talking to other people online so I think it's easy To get lost in, like, especially as a creative person, you can get lost in these ideas about who you are and what you can become.
00:54:43.000But the idea that, you know, the source of all that pain was that I was meant to be another gender and that I can transition and it'll fix everything.
00:55:02.000So, um, one thing on Tumblr that is, uh, very, very popular, it's not fringe at all.
00:55:09.000It's very popular is like male, male fan fictions, like gay fan fiction.
00:55:14.000Um, and so people will say that, Oh, if you're a girl and you read gay fan fiction, that is like the number one sign that you're actually a boy inside.
00:55:27.000And so how did you come to change and move away from all of that?
00:55:33.000So it actually took bringing that into the real world by, you know, actually trying to look like a boy and like act like a boy and be in like male spaces using the men's restroom.
00:55:47.000It was just like, holy crap, like this is not Right for me at all.
00:55:52.000You were taking testosterone for a year and a half?
00:55:54.000Yeah, I was taking testosterone for a year and a half and another part of it that made me really regret it and realize that it was a mistake is the fact that the testosterone had extremely negative effects on me.
00:56:37.000They talked to me for like 20 minutes and then I sit down with a nurse practitioner and she says, okay, we're going to start you on like 25 milligrams.
00:56:45.000And then I say to her, well, I think that I need more because my hips are big.
00:56:49.000So I think I have extra estrogen and I'm going to need more testosterone to look like a boy.
00:56:54.000And she did not push back on that whatsoever.
00:56:56.000And she just asked me, like, okay, well, how high would you like to go?
00:57:00.000And then I said, what's the highest we can do?
00:57:02.000And she said, okay, we'll start you on 100 milligrams.
00:57:05.000And then, yeah, I just got sent out the door.
00:57:19.000Like I literally was just completely transformed into like a different person.
00:57:24.000Like, um, the way I describe it is like my, I stopped having a wide spectrum of emotion and instead of like, okay, something happens and it makes me feel abandoned.
00:57:38.000I would just go straight from like point A to point I'm going to anger.
00:57:44.000Now you know what it's like to be a guy!
00:57:48.000Tim and I had a moment where we were like... It's like you're a dude and you're like working in the backyard and you're like trying to hammer a nail and then you hit the nail and the nail drops.
00:59:35.000A lot of testosterone and they're getting aggression because of it.
00:59:37.000A lot of testosterone and men who are on estrogen.
00:59:41.000Your brain and your body is meant to work on the hormones that you are meant to produce.
00:59:47.000You're not going to be a mentally or physically healthy person if you're taking a bunch of testosterone as a woman or a bunch of estrogen and suppressing your testosterone as a man.
00:59:54.000And isn't it insane that not only is that a controversial thing to say nowadays, but that it's, it's not even just not commonsensical.
01:00:00.000Like people are angry with us for pointing this out and they're angry with you for saying, Hey, like I actually did it.
01:00:35.000I mean, a friend of mine, he goes by Billboard Chris on Twitter.
01:00:39.000He does this thing where he goes out to various public spaces and he has conversations with people about this trans stuff.
01:00:46.000And he was talking to this young woman about how kids are being sterilized, which is what happens if a child is put on puberty blockers and then cross-sex hormones, they will be sterilized.
01:01:15.000I think what you were saying, it's important that we have the conversation.
01:01:18.000People may get angry about stuff in general, but it's such a new technology, it's important that we open up the debate.
01:01:23.000Well, we do have this from the Christian Post, which I'm sure the left will not be happy with, but NewsGuard has certified them at 74.5, which I must add is substantially higher than the Daily Beast.
01:01:36.000And they say puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones do sterilize children, hospital consent docs show.
01:01:47.000Formed consent documents from Children's Hospital Los Angeles, obtained by the California Family
01:01:51.000Council revealed the hospital has also warned patients and parental guardians that drugs
01:01:55.000do indeed yield infertility in those who undergo the experimental procedures.
01:02:01.000So, the way that your body matures and you become fertile, you achieve sexual development, is because your sexual organs, whether they are testicles or ovaries, during the process of puberty, they receive the hormones that they're supposed to receive.
01:02:15.000So testicles during puberty receive or make testosterone and that is what allows you to be a fertile male and it's the same for a woman with estrogen and progesterone and all that kind of stuff, the menstrual cycle.
01:02:27.000If you suppress a child's puberty so that that never happens and then you put the wrong hormones into their body, their organs are never going to get what they need to develop to become a fertile adult.
01:02:56.000But I also, I don't know how meaningful that distinction is because it's not like, oh, I'm 17 and you know I'm turning 18 tomorrow now I'm a child that deserves protection but then that next day on my birthday I no longer deserve any protection and anything I want to do to my body if I want to walk into a Planned Parenthood and get a hundred milligrams of testosterone there's nothing wrong with that Planned Parenthood for prescribing me that.
01:03:18.000Well, it's also insane in any context that a doctor would say, well, you know, the patient who has never been on this medicine before, let's say it was a legitimate treatment, which it isn't.
01:03:26.000But even if it was for a doctor to say, this patient who's never taken this medicine before is telling me they need more of it, so I'm going to give them more of it.
01:05:16.000Because they understand that, you know, many, many, many more people support, you know, the idea that taking a gay person to some horrible conversion therapy camp is terrible.
01:05:28.000Or, you know, most people, I think, would kind of not be super threatened about the idea of a teacher, I guess, explaining to a child why the other kid in their class has two fathers or something like that.
01:05:39.000So they take those things that people, you know, accept and are not as controversial and they just smuggle in the gender ideology and the trans and kids with it.
01:05:48.000There's a really funny meme where it was like at a grade school, one of my students came in and was explaining to the class how they had two moms and everyone starts clapping.
01:06:30.000It's hard because I think at this point, like, you cannot close Pandora's box.
01:06:35.000And I think that when I do have kids, that'll be something that I am navigating, and it'll be very difficult.
01:06:41.000But I do think that, like, parents need to be so much more involved.
01:06:44.000And, like, one analogy that I kind of make is, like, when your kid wants to go for a sleepover, a lot of parents would ask a lot of questions.
01:06:53.000They would say, like, oh, well, who is this friend?
01:06:59.000Maybe you might even want to meet the parents first or meet the kid first.
01:07:03.000But when it's the internet, they're spending their time with thousands of strangers and you have no idea who they are.
01:07:08.000That is a very good way of putting it.
01:07:09.000Last night, I was thinking, like, today's cult leaders aren't the people on the ranch doing LSD with 30 other people and having group orgies.
01:09:10.000Where he like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:09:12.000I'm pretty sure it was Peppa Pig, I could be wrong, but there were cartoons where it would auto-generate these videos, and the thumbnail would be like Peppa Pig drinking piss next to a urinal, and then the video would be him killing other Peppa Pigs and stuff like that.
01:09:24.000Just really weird stuff that they would just make, because the babies can't change the channel.
01:09:30.000The babies are just staring at it like, and like they're watching this crazy stuff.
01:10:21.000Yeah, I remember finding something and and it wasn't even anything like hardcore or anything, but I mean I was a child so I was pretty Concerned about it.
01:10:29.000I didn't understand what was going on.
01:10:31.000Yeah You're a little older I mean, but how old were you when you first saw porn on the internet?
01:10:38.000I don't, I didn't, um, I, well actually when I was young I had a friend of mine, we were just out walking and he like pulled porn out of his wall and I was like, I'm not supposed to look at that stuff.
01:10:47.000No, no, he like, he literally had a physical crinkled up pornographic image that he had like in his wall and I was like, don't show me that.
01:10:54.000Ian, you told me the story before that as soon as you were a teenager when the internet was discovered, you were the first person to put porn on the internet.
01:11:02.000There's too many jokes to make right now that I will not make on the internet.
01:11:06.000I saw like Playboy when I was like six or eight or something.
01:11:09.000My friend had him, his dad had him in the basement.
01:11:12.000I've been using computers for a really long time, but honestly my I think I was way older than you are, maybe 14.
01:11:20.000So for me, a lot of the stuff I was doing online was like flash animation stuff.
01:11:24.000I wasn't, like it never occurred to me to do those things.
01:11:27.000You know what, actually I did, I should mention, I think when I was like 15, I was using someone's computer and it had a virus and just pornographic images started popping up.
01:11:36.000Yeah, there's a lot of pop-ups in general, just pop-ups of like, you know, Russian single hot ladies and then it's like pornographic.
01:11:57.000That's why you can't let them look at this stuff.
01:11:58.000The first thing I thought when you mentioned Tumblr was, my goodness, it's so dangerous to allow kids to go on the internet because I think a lot of parents would not even know.
01:12:06.000They don't know because they don't make that connection where it's like, okay, the kid's staring at the phone, but what they're doing is they're communicating with other people.
01:12:13.000Even if it's not a direct chat, when they're scrolling something, like they're getting messages from other people.
01:12:18.000Those are other real people posting those things and that's what your child is consuming.
01:12:23.000And I think a lot of parents, like they don't make that connection.
01:12:25.000They just think, oh, like she's looking at pictures or something.
01:12:28.000Let me pull up this story from Timcast.com.
01:12:30.000Florida mother suing school that secretly discussed gender transition with her middle schooler.
01:12:35.000Quote, this is happening all over the nation, she said.
01:12:39.000A Florida school was sued after it helped a student transition gender without informing or seeking the consent of the teen's parents.
01:12:45.000January Littlejohn, that's her name, said she was outraged when school officials at Deer Lake Middle School in Tallahassee secretly discussed gender and transgenderism with her daughter without her knowledge.
01:12:55.000This is happening all over the nation.
01:12:57.000This same protocol is in place in many, many schools across districts everywhere, and even the guides being used to dictate these transgender support plans that cut parents out even have the same language.
01:13:08.000Little John said her then 13-year-old daughter was friends with a group of students who transitioned to the opposite gender, a group.
01:13:14.000Her daughter reportedly expressed her own confusion over gender during the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.
01:13:18.000Little John later discovered the student's school had been developing a transgender support plan with a young teen in August of 2020.
01:13:26.000Little John said she was told by the school she could not be involved because of a non-discrimination law.
01:13:31.000She was also told by administrators that they could not disclose what had happened during their meetings with her child.
01:13:37.000Eventually, we did see the Transgender Support Plan, which was a six-page document that they completed with my daughter, who was 13 at the time, behind closed doors, where they asked her questions that would have absolutely impacted her safety.
01:13:49.000So this is why they passed the Parental Rights and Education Bill.
01:13:52.000Because schools are withholding this information and parents have rights over their kids.
01:14:06.000It stands for Parents With Inconvenient Truths About Transgenderism.
01:14:10.000There's just like endless testimonies of these parents and the absolute hell that the schools put them through.
01:14:20.000Where the schools kind of, they, it's extremely manipulative.
01:14:22.000They triangulate with the child against the parents and it's just, It's horrific they'll get, you know, Child Protective Services involved.
01:14:30.000I know parents who have had Child Protective Services called on them multiple times because they don't want to transition their 12-year-old girl who's been convinced that she's a boy at school.
01:14:41.000You mentioned in a previous segment just earlier that, you know, you're on Tumblr and they tell you things like, just experiment, like cut your hair, you know.
01:15:00.000I believe that it's been down at certain times.
01:15:03.000I mean, if it is gone, then... Well, there was one I remember a long time ago that I remember it disappeared.
01:15:07.000Okay, that might have been the first one, because there is one I think that's still active right now.
01:15:10.000I don't really browse it, so I'm not sure if it got banned recently or something.
01:15:13.000There was also a website that's gone that was for detransitioners, and the point they were making was, if you go online and you're feeling these things, the only thing you will see is positive.
01:15:49.000Like there's not just pure censorship.
01:15:52.000There's all these social mechanisms involved that discourage people from listening to people like me.
01:15:58.000I mean, just recently, a popular trans influencer was coming after me and just making videos about me, like completely misrepresenting me, demonizing me, like calling me a cunt and a bitch.
01:16:11.000And like all sorts of, I don't know if I'm allowed to say that.
01:16:38.000But yeah, I mean this person, biological male by the way, just like hurling horrible insults at me, completely demonizing me and it's just like all the followers just eat it up.
01:16:51.000Instead of engaging with me on what I'm actually saying or maybe listening to like, maybe like she is telling the truth.
01:16:56.000It just has to be, no she's lying, no she's being paid, no she's a shill.
01:17:00.000Maybe this biological male is upset that you're actually a woman and they're jealous in some way.
01:17:05.000This, what you're describing, can be extrapolated and expanded to a common occurrence between what we colloquially refer to as the left and the right.
01:17:15.000Talk about taxes, talk about Ukraine, talk about anything and you're describing the exact phenomenon.
01:17:21.000The left, as we call it, is the parent group that typically makes things up, demonizes, falsely represents, smears, and won't come on the show.
01:17:30.000Yeah, don't tribalism make excuse for I don't I think these people for the most part are They're grifters, right?
01:17:38.000that's they project on us, but I'll just I'll say right now look call whatever you want if We are inviting people on the show to come and explain their ideas and they won't do it It's because they don't have any ideas It's because all they are is a wad of emotional fire screaming into the wind.
01:17:55.000And when you say, please explain, they don't have anything to explain.
01:17:58.000It's like that comic where the guy's like, I'm angry.
01:18:22.000Were there educators, administrators, parents, friends who were involved?
01:18:26.000Yeah, so the only other adults that really played like a major feature in this whole situation was my school guidance counselor and my school psychologist, the therapist, and they were both very affirming to me.
01:18:39.000So the school guidance counselor, I came and told her like, you know, my parents don't accept me for being trans, but I feel like if I don't transition I'm gonna kill myself, basically is what I said.
01:18:55.000I had a lot going on in my life, and I interpret it all as it's because I'm trans, but really the problems were much deeper.
01:19:03.000It wasn't all about being born in the wrong body.
01:19:05.000And I'm only asking not to accuse you of misleading at that time in your life.
01:19:08.000I've just heard people say that they are told to say, like, I will kill myself if I'm not affirmed.
01:19:14.000There is that, but you also do just kind of believe it.
01:19:18.000Like, the thing about this is that, like, a lot of people who are drawn to this, like, they are drawn to something so drastic and so unhinged from reality because they're going through intense emotional pain.
01:19:29.000And so, like, it really does feel to you that this is the only solution.
01:19:32.000Like, this is the only possibility that you have is to, like, do this kind of crazy thing and transition and then maybe you'll have a chance at a happy life.
01:19:45.000Yeah, stepping into that realm, did it help you?
01:19:47.000No, no, it definitely just derailed my life.
01:19:51.000I'm looking at Rachel Levine, I don't know if she's a trans woman, and she said that top Biden health official, that's Rachel, says trans youth being, quote, driven to depths of despair.
01:20:02.000The way I look at it is that children are being driven to the depths of despair.
01:20:06.000And so they're thinking there's something, like you were saying, you were experiencing depression at the age of 13.
01:20:11.000Because the world is nuts and it's been exposed at how nuts it is with the propaganda ministry and all this crap.
01:20:17.000I mean, there's lots of reasons to be depressed outside of your personal life.
01:20:20.000I think that exposition is driving people insane, including kids.
01:20:26.000And it's like it's again it's it's selection bias because a lot of the kids that are drawn to this are kids that already have deep emotional issues like for example I think there's statistics on like the California foster care system and like a hugely disproportionate amount of kids in the foster care system are identifying as trans and of course the law in California is like a trans them on the public dime.
01:20:48.000But, yeah, so I think you have a lot of kids that they have trauma or, you know, autism is another big one.
01:20:56.000Kids with autism really struggle when they're growing up.
01:20:59.000You have these kids who, like, they're really going through some very deep struggles and they cling to this idea that they're really meant to be someone else and then all the adults tell them, yes, you're really meant to be someone else.
01:21:15.000And so Levine is kind of taking advantage of that for a political reason and without really exploring, you know, why are these kids so desperate?
01:21:25.000If you have a score check real quick, the chat is saying, Ian, natural 20.
01:21:41.000If you go back to when you were 13 and think like if something was different, if you had some sort of experience or outlet or something that could have helped, even remotely, what kind of stuff can you think of?
01:21:52.000Um, I think it would have helped me a lot to have like, honestly, better relationships with the adults in my life.
01:22:01.000I just didn't feel like I was really kind of like heard.
01:22:06.000And yeah, I was just kind of allowed to like recede into this loneliness and isolation.
01:22:11.000And I think that I, you know, I would have really benefited from some gentle help.
01:22:16.000To, you know, help me kind of get out there and, like, make some real friends and stuff like that.
01:22:20.000Being heard is a key element of a human stability.
01:22:24.000Like, for parents to allow, even if the kid, they don't understand what the kid's saying, it's important, I think, to let the kid, listen to the kid.
01:22:29.000Yeah, yeah, that's what I always tell parents because they, like, a lot of parents come to me, like, asking, like, how do I talk to my kid about this?
01:22:35.000And it's like, yeah, your kid is gonna be saying a lot of, like, ideological mumbo-jumbo that you don't agree with, but, like, you have to kind of resist just focusing on that and arguing and just, like, Let them express themselves in the way that they know how.
01:22:49.000So, I would like to ask you then, if you were speaking either to your own child or a child you were in some position of authority over, and they basically said this to you, that they felt that they were truly born in the wrong body, what is the approach?
01:23:15.000Okay yeah if this is my child then yeah I would do my best to try to understand like their actual emotional experience because I think for me it was definitely a way of understanding my emotional experience but it wasn't correct.
01:23:30.000It was all ideological and like I learned it online and all this kind of stuff.
01:23:33.000But I was having real emotions under there so I think that what I would do in that situation as the adult is to try to connect with that young person on the things that are real like their authentic feelings and concerns and doubts and anxieties and like just like try to bring that out and make them feel supported in that and so they don't feel so desperate to like cling to these ideological beliefs.
01:23:57.000I think that's a very good way of putting it.
01:24:00.000One thing I find which is very insidious about these extremely effective far-left ideologies is they do a fantastic job of seizing onto actual trauma or actual pain that people have experienced and then attaching ideological language to it.
01:24:15.000And then when anyone challenges that ideological language or stance, the person feels as if their trauma is being challenged.
01:24:23.000Precisely, and that's why you hear like, you're denying my existence!
01:24:27.000Because that's exactly the process that is happening.
01:24:29.000All of the emotional baggage is being packaged up into this trans box, this gender identity box.
01:24:36.000And then when you misgender that person, or when you argue about the trans ideology, it literally feels like you're taking that whole box full of everything important to that person and throwing it out.
01:24:47.000Yo, this is the deepest conversation I've had in like six years, bro.
01:25:35.000I was just thinking, I wonder if there's a component to this of If the worst trauma you've experienced is based on things you're seeing on the internet versus, I don't know, like your house burning down or, you know, gangbangers shooting at you, then if someone comes to you and says, we don't respect your ideology, you'd be upset by that.
01:25:55.000If you're someone who grew up in, you know, gang neighborhoods, super low income areas, drug dealers, people are being beaten, you've seen people get murdered.
01:26:02.000I don't know how much you'd actually care about someone challenging your pronouns.
01:26:06.000Yeah, I think that that is a part of it.
01:26:08.000But I would kind of push back on the idea that these are kids who have never experienced any adversity.
01:26:13.000So even if they come from a physically sheltered and provided for upbringing, I think that there is a huge common denominator between like, Various forms of kind of relational traumas or just unresolved adversities that they've been through, like divorce is a really big one.
01:26:33.000I know that a lot of, you know, detransitioners, they've had, you know, parents who one of the parents was abusive or an alcoholic.
01:26:41.000Maybe they weren't, you know, extremely poor or anything, but they had to, you know, grow up with like an addict in the house.
01:26:49.000And for me, one of the things that was most personally impactful for me in my mental health issues growing up was a childhood grief that I had really never processed.
01:27:01.000What do you think the next 20 years will look like with all of these kids who are transitioning?
01:27:07.000Oh man, I'm really scared for a lot of people because you already see like people, I consider myself very lucky in that I didn't really have any long-term physical consequences but like I know people who had their breasts cut off when they were 16 or had their testicles cut off when they were 17 or 18.
01:27:29.000And it's just like these people are really hurting, like it's extreme.
01:27:34.000It's a lot to wrap your head around and deal with when you've been through that.
01:27:40.000And then you have like all the little kids right now who are, you know, they're the ones going through the puberty blockers and they're being put on the cross-sex hormones.
01:27:47.000They're going to be 22, 23, 24, 25, and they're going to have to, you know, start thinking back on their childhood and think like, how much was this really my decision?
01:27:57.000And like, what are the consequences of this?
01:27:59.000So I think there's going to be a lot to reckon with, with those people.
01:28:03.000And I don't know if they will all be people who very clearly regret it.
01:28:06.000Maybe they'll just be very psychologically disturbed.
01:28:10.000I think parents have to tell their kids what to do.
01:28:13.000I think there I've heard a lot of parents say things like you know
01:28:41.000There are some stupid people, don't get me wrong, but children as a whole are as smart as anybody else, but they lack knowledge, and they lack certain developmental functions in the brain, like risk assessment, things like that, which is why they need parents to guide them, which means a seven-year-old doesn't understand why.
01:28:58.000And you'll be like, trust me, the French lessons are gonna be awesome.
01:29:01.000When these people grow up, you're learning another language, and they're in their late 20s, and they're like, oh, I speak two or three languages, wow, all of a sudden they have this valuable skill, it's easier to navigate the world.
01:29:15.000Parents, if you've got kids who hate doing the piano lesson, it's because you need to get them to hang out with other kids who play music too, so they can be with their peers.
01:29:24.000But then when those kids are older and they're really good at an instrument, they're going to be so grateful they can do it.
01:29:28.000The problem is I think parents are just like, tell me what you want, we'll do it.
01:29:44.000I think another big issue is that parents have really had their instincts and their decision making capabilities undermined by this idea that, oh, everything needs to be deferred to the experts.
01:29:55.000And if you disagree with the expert, well, you're just uneducated and you're just obsolete and you're outdated and you don't have the up-to-date scientific information.
01:30:04.000And there's so many parents out there.
01:30:05.000I mean, there are those crazy parents who like they're really into transing their kid, but there's also a lot of parents where I just don't think that they have the confidence when some, you know, Can we just acknowledge that there is a happy medium between believing the earth is flat and saying, I'm not a biologist and I can't tell you what a woman is?
01:30:20.000and that it's very safe and effective, that they don't have the confidence to actually
01:30:24.000go look into that themselves and then oppose that authority figure.
01:30:28.000Can we just acknowledge that there is a happy medium between believing the earth is flat
01:30:33.000and saying, I'm not a biologist and I can't tell you what a woman is?
01:30:36.000Like perhaps there's a point where you don't have to be an expert to just point out some basic things.
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01:35:19.000There's another thing we were talking about we would do, but basically like, would you come to someone's aid if they were getting attacked?
01:35:24.000And then is that also like a baby in the womb?
01:35:26.000Like, will you come to their aid if the mother is going to abort it?
01:35:29.000Well, I think the main thing that people were concerned about was, like, you said you would not intervene to protect the woman, and I said I would.
01:35:34.000Yeah, the conversation got pretty twisted pretty quick.
01:35:36.000I've actually been thinking about this today, like, if someone's getting attacked, then, I mean, calling the cops isn't enough.
01:35:42.000You've got to make a split-second decision.
01:35:45.000I mean, I think they have cell notes down in the subways now, but the issue was, I don't think, I think you make a good legal point about how the left runs cities.
01:35:53.000Like, oh, you're the one who's going to go to prison if you try and stop this guy, so most people are like, I'm not getting involved.
01:35:58.000You know, back in the day, you'd be like, if I get involved, I know I'm not getting in trouble, I'm helping.
01:36:03.000Nowadays, it's like, that dude will sue you, and you'll lose, you'll get arrested.
01:36:09.000They could be making a movie, for all I know.
01:36:11.000There are those stories about criminals who are breaking into someone's house, and then sue the homeowner after they get injured breaking in.
01:36:52.000Yeah, I would say that I don't think that every woman just left the Republican Party.
01:36:56.000I think that women who left the, sorry, the Democrat Party, I think that women that left the Democrat Party for a reason are going to be like, perfect, this is exactly why I left the Democrat Party.
01:37:05.000And the fact they're spazzing out about this is only going to make them more committed.
01:37:09.000And Carlin is perhaps misled about this, I would say.
01:37:58.000Because this show is kind of like, you know, we got to add the opening monologue from a comedian and a musical guest and then we'll be just like Stephen Colbert.
01:38:08.000But we do try to make this so that, you know, people can turn this on and their kids might be in the room and we don't, you know, say nasty words just because people like some sanctity around their families.
01:38:42.000How should you respond to someone who thinks it's okay to murder a child after they've been born?
01:38:47.000I'm not sure what response you could get to that person if they've genuinely said that.
01:38:50.000If this is a case where you think that this person's principles lead them to that position, you need to expose that to them and help them understand if this is a person who says that they are okay with slaughtering a child after they've been born.
01:39:02.000I'm not sure if a conversation is going to affect that.
01:40:39.000I do not believe it is true that the moderates side with the Democrats with pro-choice.
01:40:46.000I think the issue is the ignorant do, because I'm somebody who's repeatedly said over and over again that I fall in the more safe, legal, and rare category, but there's no one to vote for who supports that, so I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
01:41:13.000Are there, like, millennial women who are really planning on getting abortions and they're worried about, like, a woman who's not gotten an abortion is like, I might need one and now this is bad for me?
01:41:22.000Because, like, the blue states aren't gonna be getting rid of this.
01:41:27.000It's not as if um when you look at this this issue you're absolutely correct but also it's gonna as far as I'm aware even if this passes stay legal in the blue states but it's hilarious because the left is going oh my goodness you know everyone's going to vote for us now because of this and at the same time they're threatening violence and saying we need to riot and have a revolution so I wouldn't be too concerned.
01:41:47.000I think the left is really set on handing us a victory here.
01:41:51.000I'm not sure what's gonna happen, but if the right does anything which could be considered politically unpopular, the left is gonna react by, like, freaking out and rioting and making themselves look like idiots, so... Alright, Kyle says, Helena, how do you rate male privilege during your brief tenure?
01:42:15.000I mean, I don't believe in like the whole privilege oppression stuff, but I just hesitate to say that I had an experience of a man because I don't think I did.
01:42:25.000There was this woman who identified as a man and she said her experience was so different and it was sad.
01:42:33.000She was like, men are not, like nobody cared about your feelings anymore, men or women, that it was like a very different experience that was very cold and lonely.
01:42:42.000Yeah, there was, I believe, a lesbian journalist who dressed up as a man on an undercover project.
01:42:47.000And I thought that was interesting, but on the other hand, that is a woman being treated as a man, as opposed to a man being treated as a man.
01:43:15.000It's like when women, when, when men try to like joke with women, the way they joke with other men, women take it like so badly and they get, they, they think it's like the man being mean to her personally.
01:44:00.000A guy walks up to a guy and was like, whoa, dude, you been hitting the gym, bro?
01:44:03.000I'd be like, hey, I appreciate it, I haven't, but, you know, this is a cool shirt, thank you.
01:44:07.000Then you walk up, he grabs him on the shoulder, pats him, and was like, great outfit, man, that suit's looking sharp, dude, you're looking good.
01:44:13.000Now imagine a guy walks up to a woman in a dress and he goes, ooh, wow, you're looking good, you hitting the gym, Karen?
01:44:51.000I think it's because adult men and women cannot be friends.
01:44:55.000It might be a stretch, but I think that's why you have a girlfriend and a boyfriend and you have one because you choose to go down that path towards marriage or relationship with one.
01:45:04.000They can be friends, they're just different dynamics.
01:45:07.000And I think that you, I think usually if a guy were to come up to like a female co-worker that he's not really, you know, close friends with or anything and be like, you know, you look so good.
01:47:09.000Timothy Barsotti says, both Breaking Point's hosts agree that if there is one person to blame for Roe overturning it is not Trump, but rather Ruth Bader Ginsburg for not retiring and greeting out the first female president, Hillary.
01:48:13.000That's the most, I mean, I don't think, if you haven't been to war and you're talking about it, that's like... People might want peaceful divorce.
01:48:23.000It's like, okay, so red states can have red state laws and blue states can have blue state laws and you can move between them.
01:48:29.000Actually, that's a pretty good system.
01:48:31.000The problem is the Democrats are like, we want the entire country to uphold our way of life.
01:48:35.000And so gun rights is the easiest example.
01:48:38.000You know, Billy Joe in the mountains of West Virginia doesn't need to be constrained by the same gun laws as Anthony in New York City.
01:48:44.000That's why I think it would be more of a revolution than a civil war because it would be like the federal government's gone too far kind of thing and the states have had enough.
01:48:54.000Well, all right, let's read some more.
01:48:56.000Jason Take says, big fan of all you guys do.
01:48:59.000I would love to build you a conference table out of solid walnut with clear epoxy inlays, and Ian could fill it with some crazy rocks.
01:49:08.000Would do it at cost as long as I can personally deliver it.
01:49:11.000I don't know what we would do with the table.
01:50:23.000So you can say, you know, emergency medical procedure for when it's an emergency medical procedure and termination of the baby, just call it termination of the baby.
01:50:39.000I don't actually know that they do because you're right that they'll try to take these hard cases that they will describe, but they'll take these hard cases that they describe as abortions.
01:50:49.000Uh, or so the, the examples we've mentioned were like a procedure is performed that puts the child at risk rather than something that directly kills the child.
01:50:56.000But then they'll try to use that to like justify going in and killing a child.
01:51:01.000And not only that, but like going in and killing a child for any reason.
01:51:04.000So, what they are defending at the end of the day is what we would describe as abortion.
01:51:08.000What the left describes as abortion ranges from the needless termination of a fetus, killing of the baby, all the way to the baby is already dead and needs to be removed from the womb.
01:51:24.000I guess my point is that when they talk about these other instances, they're using it to try to justify completely legal abortion up until the point of birth, basically.
01:51:56.000Ashton de Rojas says, the chaos flame description sounds like the frenzied flame from Elden Ring, where you go mad by being exposed to it and spread it around.
01:52:05.000Yeah, I like that metaphor that people's rage is like fire.
01:52:08.000What was it that like the... It's chaotic fire.
01:52:13.000In the right contained environment, it functions exactly as you expect it to.
01:52:17.000So it's only when the environment is chaotic that fire takes on that behavior.
01:52:24.000Billy Mazik says, told my 13-year-old niece to catch a lightning bug, then asked if she had the right to kill it, even though she clearly had the power.
01:52:31.000I then said, if you didn't want to be responsible for it, why did you grab it?
01:52:35.000What if someone grabs a lightning bug and throws it at her and it gets in her hair?
01:52:39.000And then she's like, ah, get it off me, get it off me.
01:52:44.000Speaking of, I had a stink bug on my finger earlier, and I didn't know it was a stink bug, so I squeezed it, and it juiced all over my finger.
01:53:00.000Iggy the Incubus says, where was the uproar over SCOTUS case five months ago when it initially came out that Roe was effectively done anyways?
01:53:07.000This feels like an attempt to galvanize for midterms and distract from the disinfo governing board.
01:53:17.000Yo, that's why they call it an October surprise.
01:53:20.000The news will come out a week before the midterms, and it'll be like Joe Biden farted, and then everyone's gonna go, ah, and they're gonna forget all about this.
01:53:28.000Scrobaca says, Amazon put out a press release that they would start paying up to $4,000 for travel for staff for medical procedures including abortion yesterday before the SCOTUS leak.
01:53:38.000We talked about this on the after show last night, basically.
01:53:41.000A cynical, horrifically evil business decision.
01:53:44.000People who kill their babies are actually cheaper as employees than people who have children because you don't have to pay them the wage that would be necessary to care for a family.
01:56:08.000AetherEater says, hey crew, check out the Ordeal of the Bitter Water, numbers 5 to 13 in the Bible.
01:56:13.000Reddit keeps referencing this to dunk on conservatives.
01:56:16.000Yeah, so we were sort of talking about this before the show.
01:56:19.000This was something in the Old Testament which refers to a procedure if a woman was, it was basically a practice if a woman was accused of adultery.
01:56:27.000It's only referenced once and most translations actually refer to it as the woman becoming like infertile if she's cheated on her husband or something.
01:56:36.000I think there might be Some that use the phrase which can indicate miscarriage, but most translations refer to it as something more along the lines of fertility.
01:56:48.000So that's not really an honest argument.
01:56:50.000This is from the old, it's ancient practice where if a woman was thought to have cheated on her husband, they'd go to the priest, the priest would be like, drink this water that I put some dirt in or whatever.
01:56:59.000And if you cheated on your husband, you're going to be cursed with miscarriages and infertility.
01:57:03.000And so she gets all stressed if she cheated on her husband.
01:58:12.000It's just like, take the baby out, the baby dies, but the mom lives.
01:58:14.000Yeah, I think you do everything you can to save the child and the mother.
01:58:17.000And if you can't, again, if the child dies, the child does die.
01:58:20.000I think the issue is that argument is aligned with the medical exemption the left talks about, but they act like conservatives don't feel that way at all.
01:58:30.000I don't think they actually talk to conservatives.
01:58:31.000Like that Guardian article from Stephen Marsh, he mentions that Republicans are going to, there's going to be a fight, unrest and rioting and stuff, potentially civil war over abortion.
01:58:43.000But he's like, Republicans are gonna lose anyway because banning abortion doesn't stop abortion.
01:58:47.000And I'm like, I think your position, Seamus, was like, so what?
01:58:52.000He said that banning abortion won't stop women from having abortions.
01:58:54.000Well, I mean, in certain circumstances, and Ian and I were talking about this earlier, but basically anytime you pass any kind of law, there are gonna be people who break it.
01:59:01.000That doesn't mean a law doesn't need to exist in the first place.
01:59:04.000You were saying, I think you said to me before, so what, the state shouldn't endorse it, it should be illegal.
01:59:08.000Yeah, no, I don't think abortion should be legal.
01:59:36.000You could just sit down in front of the TV and get, like, you know, normal, funny... I mean, they were pretty crappy, too, looking back on them, but it was the cartoons.
01:59:44.000It was the breakthrough of video games, really, that altered my reality, because I had the Atari in 82, and then we got a Nintendo in 85, which was just gobstomping awesome.
01:59:54.000And then we got a Sega Genesis, and you're like, what is happening to reality?
01:59:58.000All of a sudden now, and then you start to see these photorealistic things, and you're able to manipulate them.
02:00:02.000I mean, for a young child, that was incredible.
02:00:04.000It's funny, because the Genesis was before my time, but we didn't have, like, a video game system as kids, and so we got a Sega Genesis from a garage sale.
02:00:11.000Oh my goodness, that thing was so much fun.
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02:04:24.000And I was going to say, I was out at the Blader Cup last weekend in L.A., and those guys are about Tim's age or older, and they are all looking fine.
02:04:32.000So it turns out if you just continue doing the things you did when you were younger, that will keep you young.