On today's show, we have special guest Steve Kogan and co-host Luke Friedland. They talk about the deep state, the Deep State, and Elon Musk's deal with the government. We also talk about why the Deep state is so powerful and why we should all be worried about it.
00:00:00.000Unleash the potential of human beings being able to talk freely with each other.
00:00:03.000Humanity will progress so much faster, so much better, without the federal government standing in the way and having its boot on the neck of America.
00:00:11.000And the intelligence agencies are getting a reckoning today.
00:00:43.000But that is why guys like yourselves, this platform, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Tebe, listen.
00:00:49.000That used to be the leading edge of the First Amendment.
00:00:53.000And now we see this is so dark and unbelievable.
00:00:56.000The FBI has taken with, in the CIA, in the DHS, with those venture capital firms that they're very close to in Silicon Valley, plus the ones they've started up.
00:01:10.000I think, Steve, you said earlier that something changed when Kennedy got killed, and I think what happened was that the U.S., there was a revolution in the government to a military government that wanted to set up military bases all over Earth, make sure we circumvent World War III.
00:01:23.000It was the 1940s, basically, with the liberal economic order.
00:01:26.000And we're just now recently kind of... I'm starting to see it.
00:01:29.000This is like ancient Rome when the Republic fell and the Empire came up.
00:01:34.000The elite legionaries, because you couldn't take the legions into Rome itself, but they had a core of legionaries called the Praetorian Guard.
00:01:41.000And the Praetorian Guard got into the business of selecting the emperors.
00:01:46.000The ones we like are going to be weak and weak in control, we're going to put in power.
00:01:49.000The strong ones we're going to get rid of.
00:01:51.000What the Administrative State and the Deep State is, is a modern Praetorian Guard, and this is an American Empire.
00:01:58.000We have an obligation, left and right, to come together and to deconstruct the Administrative State, and the only people we should be backing for public office is those people that have titanium balls, right?
00:02:12.000That will make this their number one priority.
00:02:17.000But he does have titanium balls, I can confirm.
00:02:19.000It was on my Wikipedia for a little while, something like that.
00:02:21.000So I have a question, though, about Elon buying Twitter.
00:02:24.000When Elon initially tried to back out, my theory was he gets in, some of the nitty-gritty, and sees national security letters or some kind of government roadblock, something jamming up the system, and then he's like, OK, I can't buy this.
00:02:37.000But then, of course, they're like, no, you have to buy it now.
00:02:40.000I wonder if he saw signs before buying it that this is how bad it was.
00:02:50.000I mean, this is what we're talking about, right?
00:02:52.000So, we tie together what, you know, Luke is saying, what Steve is saying.
00:02:56.000What's happening is that we are unleashing, with the power of social media, with a power of communication, for us to be able to talk, to have these shows.
00:03:03.000We are unleashing a second flame of the enlightenment throughout the West, and these frauds know
00:04:11.000Some people think it was the libertarian ideas that sparked the revolution.
00:04:13.000No, it was too much government, doing too many things, acting too crazy, acting like it was the emperor.
00:04:18.000That spurred a cultural revolution, which the intelligence agencies have been riding on the back of with promoting degeneracy, trying to destroy the family unit, a part of their larger depopulation agenda.
00:04:38.000We fought—remember, the British Empire was just about to head to the top of its game with India and the British East India Company.
00:04:44.000Our founders said, we don't want to be a part of that.
00:04:46.000We don't want an oligarchy running us, and we don't want a landed aristocracy running us, and we're prepared to go to war and sacrifice our lives to do that, to fight that.
00:04:55.000That's what we have to do today because that's what they've built and that's what they're trying to protect.
00:04:59.000One problem I'm having is that the House of Representatives is sort of an oligarchy.
00:05:44.000They wanted that as the closest thing in this republic, and everybody in this audience, left and right, should come together.
00:05:50.000Populist nationalists should come together and say, take a stand and say, no more.
00:05:54.000We've seen what we did to Kennedy, to Nixon even, now to Trump, and they're going to do it.
00:05:58.000If Bernie Sanders got in there, they'd do the same exact thing to Bernie Sanders.
00:06:02.000This is a little wild, you know, Ian and Luke both bring up JFK, but we just saw that report from Tucker Carlson, where he said he talked to a source, The CIA was involved, they told him, with the assassination of JFK.
00:06:13.000Do you think that they were involved with Robert Kennedy's assassination also?
00:06:26.000That's why I like smart contracts, because if we're representing ourselves, we don't have to rely on one guy to tell someone what 700,000 of us think.
00:08:32.000I rail against secularism all the time.
00:08:35.000And James and I had this conversation yesterday.
00:08:37.000And I think secularism is a threat to the West.
00:08:40.000But a much greater threat than not believing in God is believing you are God.
00:08:46.000And that is a much more dangerous threat.
00:08:48.000I will be partners with any atheist or agnostic, even though I'm an evangelical Bible-believing Christian, to fight the people that believe they are God.
00:08:56.000Because that is a much greater threat than not being sure if there is a God.
00:09:16.000They have the gnosis, the special knowledge, the secret knowledge, the revelation, the plan for the universe, and they get to enact it on us.
00:09:23.000We don't get to enact our will because we are stupid and don't know it.
00:09:27.000Those people are the enemy, and everybody who knows that we're not those people Well, there's another layer to this that I wanted to bring up, because, you know, if you guys don't believe in God, you have to understand the very powerful people in charge, they believe in something.
00:09:40.000There's a reason they go to the Bohemian Grove.
00:09:42.000There's a reason they hang out with Marina Brovimitch and do spirit cooking.
00:09:45.000There's a reason they hang out with all these devil worshippers, Satanists, and they do horrible things on private islands that we can't even speak about on this show.
00:09:53.000So there is a spiritual war happening right now, whether you can deny it or not.
00:09:56.000But it's happening, and it's here, and religion is a part of that.
00:09:59.000Let's talk about young people, because what you're all basically saying is main character syndrome, which I think we're seeing a lot of in millennials and some Gen Z, where people think nothing outside of me matters.
00:10:09.000I also think, to a certain degree, we're seeing this in every generation.
00:10:13.000And the way I see it manifest is when police officers go to, say, there's an all-ages drag event in Texas, where they're explicitly engaging in, you know, things inappropriate for kids.
00:10:25.000I'm talking about what we just saw in San Antonio with simulated sodomy and things like that.
00:10:30.000There should be no question that the police would go in there and say, hey, you can't do this.
00:11:02.000First, they're just dressing up in kind of somewhat, you know, careful dress with their clown makeup, groomer clowns or whatever, reading stories.
00:11:10.000Next thing you know, Tim and I were talking about this yesterday.
00:11:12.000Next thing you know, They're dancing, they're grinding, they're sexual dancing, they're twerking.
00:11:16.000The next thing you know, they're doing simulated sex acts in front of children.
00:11:19.000And every step of the way, this is what Tim was saying to me yesterday, so this is Tim's credit, gets the credit for this, is every step of the way, they're saying, no, no, no, no, it's just this.
00:12:08.000It's why we're the freest, greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world.
00:12:11.000Everything the deconstructionists are trying to do right now, from citizen and police officer, to rule of law versus anarchy, is to destroy distinctions.
00:12:22.000They do not believe that there should be any different treatment when it comes to children sexually, Biologically, medically, they must destroy the distinctions.
00:12:30.000This is part of their theological, really screwed up view.
00:12:34.000What is the defender of a distinction?
00:12:55.000When the Drag Queen Story Hour stuff started, everyone started saying, hey, this is grooming, and the immediate defense from the left was, no, no, no, they're just reading books.
00:13:03.000And you'd come out and you'd say, yeah, but drag queen performances are removal of clothes, accepting of cash, on stage, it's very akin to bikini bars or stripping, and they'd say, it's just reading a book.
00:13:12.000Then they started doing all-ages drag dance shows, and they'd say, it's just dancing, it's just dancing.
00:13:17.000And that's how they move you increment by increment to the point now where we saw in, I think it was San Antonio, where they actually had exposed fake breasts in front of children.
00:13:27.000And then the craziest thing is, there's a journalist on Twitter right now arguing with, I think, Taylor Hanson's name, saying, or is it Tyler, I don't know, Taylor, saying, it didn't happen, you edited, it's a fake video, despite the fact there's a dozen of them.
00:14:06.000Teaching children about reproduction when you think it's appropriate for them is very different from teaching them how to lube something for kink.
00:14:32.000So here I am, and I think somebody backstage owes me money because I said that, but anyway... Anyway, what I did was I've just been proved right again and again and again.
00:14:48.000I talked to Tim early this year, the first time I went on the show this year.
00:14:51.000With Tim, I was like, listen, political warfare is the most important concept you've never heard of.
00:14:54.000Unconventional warfare, political warfare, this mid-level violence provocation is so critical to understand because they're giving you a choice.
00:15:04.000And what you're going to do is you're either going to give in, at which point they're going to enter into their generative themes, educational method into living queerly, strategic defiance.
00:15:11.000This is straight out of their literature that they say is the real goal of Drag Queen Story Hour.
00:15:15.000We're going to leave a trail of glitter that will never come out of the carpet.
00:15:18.000It's the last sentence in that paper talking about your kids' brains.
00:15:22.000And then, either you give into it and they get to do that, or you go too hard and you mess up, and they make a video of you looking bad, and then they start trying to smear you as an anti-groomer, or as rising anti-LGBT hate.
00:15:39.000Just stop and say the person who did that's bad.
00:15:41.000And the goal is to get you to give in so they get their way, or overreact, and that's why I say drag Floyd.
00:15:46.000It's so important to understand that they want a drag queen to get attacked.
00:15:50.000And they want to make a huge amount of hay of it and they want to create summer 2020 again off of a drag queen or a trans person or something like this.
00:15:57.000Meanwhile, what are they peppering the environment with?
00:15:59.000This is called, in unconventional warfare, operational preparation of the environment.
00:16:03.000It used to be operational preparation of the battlefield.
00:16:05.000That's why the intelligence communities being involved in this is so critical.
00:16:20.000They're like, oh, James Lindsay, Tim Pool, Jack Posobiec, all these people, they're saying Groomer, Marjorie Taylor Greene saying Groomer, Lauren Boebert, Groomer.
00:18:07.000I know we're at the Tim Pool Show with the great co-host, but this is a relatively conservative audience and they're cheering to defund the FBI because they understand the FBI is the modern American Gestapo.
00:18:21.000Defund everything and the Parks Department.
00:18:24.000I just wanted to add one more one more single point about because this latest trip by Elon Musk is also very telling with the optics with him being seen with Jared Kushner the guy who of course lobbied against Trump's very populist policies the guy who of course advocated for the bombing of a sovereign country and got it done the guy who of course negotiated better weapons deals for Saudi Arabia he was there with him so that kind of brings up to the point what Bannon was making here that there is a possibility that there is some bigger money moves being made here Well, for sure.
00:18:53.000You said earlier, Steve, just a minute ago, that the administrative state controls the government.
00:18:57.000But I wonder, where do they get their money?
00:21:07.000Okay, the way they stopped is the Federal Reserve.
00:21:09.000We have to, to take down the administrative state, we have to grab the Federal Reserve by the neck and choke it down.
00:21:14.000Right now, it's owned by... Do you understand your currency's owned by 31 banks, 31 prime brokers own the Federal Reserve, create it and make money off it, and you live like a pauper?
00:21:45.000And Tim, you were on the front lines of this, and you talk about this really well.
00:21:49.000Let me just kind of hand it off to you in a sec because I'd love your thoughts.
00:21:51.000The Occupy movement saw it correctly in one way and incorrectly in another way.
00:21:55.000Tea Party movement was happening almost simultaneously because there was a series of decisions that were made by Hank Paulson, Timothy Geithner, Ben Bernanke, all after the 08 crisis.
00:22:05.000They could have allowed the system to recorrect, not put in all this fake money, but they made a decision and they knew exactly what they were doing.
00:22:15.000800 billion dollars of stimulus, which used to be a lot of money, and we're going to engage in a decade-long sugar high, and the only way we're going to end is in a currency reset.
00:22:23.000Bernanke, Hank Paulson, Timothy Geithner, three former Goldman Sachs guys, by the way, knew exactly what was happening.
00:22:28.000Tea Party movement saw it through a conservative lens.
00:22:42.000So, how did I end up at Occupy Wall Street?
00:22:45.000I was on 4chan, and there was something called Operation Empire State Rebellion, which had nothing to do with left or right.
00:22:50.000It was hacktivists, and it was, I don't know, just random people on 4chan who were saying like, hey, you know, we've got an issue with what's going on with the big bailouts, our lives were being screwed over, the economy's in the gutter.
00:23:02.000And so that somehow merged with a handful of leftists who were organizing some kind of Occupy Wall Street.
00:23:07.000When I go down there for the first time, I was there within the first couple of days, There was nobody there.
00:23:12.000There was a handful of people standing in the rain.
00:23:14.000But that next weekend, which was the second weekend of Occupy, I saw old people with American flags.
00:23:19.000An old couple sitting on a couch with an American flag behind their back.
00:23:40.000But people who have jobs, people who are conservative and libertarian were like, I've got to leave and I've got to go home, and the only people who were able to stick around were Marxists, trust fund kids, well off, and so the left ended up taking everything over.
00:23:53.000Well, and so just to add on to this though, so Trump and Bernie Sanders ran the same type of campaign simultaneously.
00:23:59.000And because they were both seeing the symptoms of this sugar-high money cycle of fewer and fewer people getting really rich.
00:24:06.000Bernie came at it from an outright Marxist view.
00:24:08.000Trump came at it from a populist nationalist view.
00:24:11.000And Bernie Sanders should have really been the nominee in 2016, but Hillary Clinton rigged the game.
00:24:15.000Trump became the nominee and obviously won in a shocking fashion.
00:24:18.000What we are now living through, 14 years later, is the economic catastrophe of Timothy Geithner and Ben Bernanke and Hank Paulson.
00:24:26.000But, here's the thing, and this is why James Lindsay's work is so incredible.
00:24:30.000These corporations think they are immune to criticism and revolution because they have wokeness as a shield.
00:24:38.000They think they are protected from criticism because they can say men can become pregnant, white people are evil.
00:24:44.000Wokeism is the only thing they have left protecting them from hundreds of millions of people realizing that they're robber barons against the civilization.
00:24:53.000The first time I encountered the wokeness, whatever, Occupy Wall Street.
00:24:58.000Initially, you know, I'm down there, and I'm sure Luke has similar experiences.
00:25:02.000There's a lot of people who are just economic populists.
00:25:04.000They say, I don't know, the two parties are bad, whatever.
00:25:07.000But then all of a sudden, these organizers started gaining more and more traction who believed in the progressive stack and white men are evil.
00:25:14.000There's a good comic that embodies this.
00:25:17.000And it's a rich guy in a big chair with protesters outside saying, we are the 99%, and he's on the phone saying, introduce them to identity politics.
00:25:23.000All of a sudden, wokeness started taking over.
00:25:26.000And then from there, I started seeing it get bigger and bigger.
00:25:29.000For me, I didn't think much of it other than these people are weirdos, despite the fact that I remember one night there was a young black guy who was watching all of this happen.
00:25:39.000And I overheard him say, y'all are crazy!
00:25:56.000And then over a period of time there was the upper class and the lower class
00:26:00.000divided by two different areas of the park where they were fighting and
00:26:03.000segregated Zuccotti Park. And I truly do believe that there was a
00:26:07.000larger hijacking of this movement because when it began there was people
00:26:10.000doing weekly, even sometimes in the beginning, daily walks and protests at
00:26:15.000the Federal Reserve down in New York City, down on Wall Street.
00:26:18.000They came down there and they were like, hey guys, this is not just about left or right, this is about the big banks.
00:26:23.000The banks that are screwing us over, the banks that are robbing us of our wealth, robbing us of any potential future.
00:26:28.000This is the creature from Jekyll Island that came in and is dominating and destroying our society.
00:26:33.000Because what else could you say that they did during 2008 other than a blind robbery of the American people?
00:26:38.000I went up to Ben Bernanke and I asked him, How does it feel organizing one of the largest bailouts in recorded human history for all your banker buddies, giving them trillions of dollars?
00:26:47.000The SOB tried to grab my microphone and rip it away from me, and he didn't say a word.
00:26:51.000Then I asked him about the Bilderberg Group.
00:26:52.000He didn't want to talk about that either.
00:27:30.000And what they learned, when Charlie brought up wokeness a minute ago and gave me a very kind compliment, What you also don't realize is that the reason I do what I do is because of the progressive stack, as it turns out.
00:27:39.000It's a little bit funny, I'll tell you in a second.
00:27:40.000Biggest audience I've ever had a chance to tell this story to, I get asked about it all the time, but what they learned in 2008 is that wokeness works.
00:27:47.000Wokeness gives them a sword and a shield at the same time, and that they can wield that and protect themselves.
00:27:51.000They can go out and break up a movement like Occupy by bringing identity politics and wokeness
00:27:55.000into it and meanwhile look like the super virtuous people who care about gay people
00:28:14.000And I'm writing this paper and we say what we need to do is put a progressive stack in
00:28:18.000What we've got to do is we've got to take all the kids, college students if they're adults, and we're going to do the progressive stack walk or the privilege walk.
00:28:26.000We're going to find out what their privilege is.
00:28:27.000We're going to chain them to the floor if they have too much privilege.
00:28:29.000We're going to make sure that they suffer, that they're abused, that they're put into the learning environment of discomfort to overcome their privilege.
00:28:35.000And then we said, but we're going to do it compassionately because we're writing funny hoax papers that they didn't think they would accept.
00:28:39.000And the peer reviewers reviewed this paper.
00:28:43.000They reviewed this paper and said, we love this idea.
00:28:45.000But, you can't use compassion, because that would recenter the needs of the privileged.
00:28:51.000You have to focus on more discomfort, the pedagogy of discomfort, from this woman, Megan Buller, which we hadn't heard of at the time, so we get this book and read it, it's called Feeling Power, it's insane, and I was like, holy crap, this is where, I mean, this isn't just crazy, this is a genocide in the making, down the road.
00:29:08.000If you are saying that you're going to abuse people out of their privilege, Score them by that, abuse them out of their privilege, and you must use discomfort and no compassion once you've been identified as privileged.
00:29:17.000So I said, maybe I was wrong about that.
00:29:27.000Because wokeness is the sword and the shield that they have that allows them to protect.
00:29:31.000It's the last thing they have that allows them to keep this criminal front going.
00:29:35.000I want to bring up one point to what Charlie said because I'm very happy you brought up Occupy Wall Street because Occupy Wall Street I do believe scared the establishment.
00:29:42.000I do believe the movement was hijacked but that's one thing that changed.
00:29:46.000Another thing that changed was the way that the corporate media had their conversations and we saw a very big rise with organizations like the New York Times start implementing a
00:29:55.000lot of their woke policies right after Occupy Wall Street because what better
00:29:59.000way to divide and conquer a population that of course have them in fighting
00:30:02.000against each other so they don't truly see the true source of their problems and
00:30:06.000that's exactly what happened they want Americans fighting each other they want
00:30:09.000you hating each other they want you divided they want you angry they want
00:30:12.000you pissed off and the best way to not engage is to not play along with their
00:30:39.000Well, so, my question for you, James, I guess, is if this is their sword and their shield, does it end by just collapsing in front of them?
00:30:59.000I told some of my friends and colleagues back in 2019 that if they ever went full into the queer theory, so unleash the drag queens, that they had shot themselves in the head and it's only a matter of time till the thing falls over.
00:31:09.000People aren't going to put up with that for very long.
00:31:11.000And it doesn't mean that you have to go do something crazy.
00:31:15.000It's not what I mean by saying that people aren't going to put up with it.
00:31:17.000They're going to see through that this is fake.
00:31:38.000That's why Steve's always pointing to you and saying that you're the solution, that you're the answer, that you are... What's your word for it, Steve?
00:31:46.000You always call him the... I thought Praetorian Guard, that's wrong.
00:31:51.000The force multiplier, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:31:53.000No, it's, look, their biggest fear right now is that you come to conferences like this, you get smarter, and not just that, it's applied knowledge.
00:32:01.000The reason they're trying to take out everybody and de-platform everybody and stop it all and take, you know, go after Tucker and go after everybody is because they fear you.
00:32:18.000The only way to defeat it is a populist uprising and that is you.
00:32:22.000So one of the ways I think that it's going to be exploited is Economic Marxists on the left, when they start to realize the people they were indoctrinated to hate are actually running the political party that they're affiliated with, when that is exploited, all of a sudden there will be a massive schism on the American left.
00:32:45.000Wokeism and people that are legitimate Bolsheviks that believe in the economics of Marxism but are not as enthused on the race Marxist stuff, That is going to be a schism, because the vast majority of Americans see that it's harder than ever to buy a home, that consumer debt is increasing, that your money is becoming worthless.
00:33:03.000Those messages are going to resonate like wildfire in the coming months, the coming years, especially as now I think we're going to hit a mass unemployment cycle.
00:33:11.000What's less and less popular is hearing about Privilege Walks, or hearing about Pantrans Awareness Day, or Drag Queen Story Hour.
00:33:19.000Again, wokeism is a smokescreen grenade.
00:33:33.000They're afraid that the woke ideas are becoming largely unpopular and that the economic reality that's about to set in is going to unite almost everybody on the right, on the left, to point at the Uniparty and say, you've been stealing from us for the last couple decades.
00:33:53.000Disenfranchising us from our own country.
00:33:55.000That's so important to understand that we're being disenfranchised from our own country.
00:33:59.000But do you think, James, that this economic crisis will overcome the cult mentality that exists amongst so many of these people on the left?
00:34:06.000I mean, people don't just shake out of cults, man.
00:34:24.000It's really not going to be good for them.
00:34:26.000What will happen though is that most of the people that are supporting it, most of the people that are putting their black square on their profile or whatever, aren't that committed.
00:34:33.000They're not actually fully bought into the cult.
00:35:18.000But wokeness is an increasing liability for them, and because of people like you, it's going to keep being an increasing liability for them, and they're not going to be able, they're going to try to get rid of it as hard as they can when it gets to that point.
00:35:29.000But James, it's not the TV anymore, it's big tech social media.
00:35:32.000I'm trying to make a bigger statement here because just a few days ago we finally got the receipts that it was the intelligence agencies that were pretty much controlling big tech social media.
00:35:45.000I think this was happening for a very long time and when you're able to shape social media you're able to shape the minds of the people.
00:35:51.000This is why, since the onset of Barack Obama, I was like, this is the beginning of a larger divide-and-conquer agenda.
00:35:57.000We saw the destruction of Occupy Wall Street.
00:35:59.000We've seen the rhetoric change on, of course, the mainstream media.
00:36:03.000But on social media, it was left vs. right, black vs. white, old vs. old, old vs. young, male vs. female.
00:36:09.000We saw this weaponized in echo chambers.
00:36:12.000We saw this weaponized with algorithms.
00:36:14.000And I do believe that intelligence agencies had a play on this, engineering this larger conflict where we are right now, talking about Holy crap, there's not going to be enough money to pay for heat or food soon.
00:36:26.000So that's an issue that I think really needs to be honed in on.
00:36:28.000The open secret in Silicon Valley is these social media companies are almost impossible to make profitable because of the server costs and the staff costs.
00:36:37.000So the question that needs to be answered is did the intelligence agencies enter during the venture round of Facebook?
00:36:43.000I think so, especially with QIntel, especially with a lot of the other organizations that invested a lot of the money there, especially when it came to Alphabet and Google getting all those contracts, getting all those lucrative deals, getting all those tax incentives.
00:37:31.000The other day, it was Elon who responded to Ian Miles Chong who said, in order for Twitter to be profitable, it has to become a platform for creators of video and writing.
00:39:12.000Almost all of that is tied back to some sort of national security state.
00:39:15.000So the engineers themselves, the engineering, it's all been underwritten.
00:39:19.000When these things first start, the venture capital companies that put in the hedge fund companies, most of these have strong relationships.
00:39:26.000to the federal government in the national security state.
00:39:30.000This is all one piece of a whole cloth.
00:39:34.000And then you talk about the contracts and how the revenue goes and all that.
00:39:38.000It all comes through either the biomedical security state or the national security medical state, which we've kind of seen the convergence of during the CCP COVID-19 virus.
00:41:30.000We see Elon Musk come in and he's like, these people are doing nothing and they're getting paid all this money.
00:41:34.000And I think about that and I think about this old thing that I read where the reason why there's so many people named Smith is because when wars were breaking out, the blacksmiths
00:42:08.000Why are we making social media weapons?
00:42:10.000Turns out, this thing Charlie was talking about a minute ago, my favorite paper criticizing what's called social emotional learning, which is this whole brainwashing program the left is replacing education with.
00:42:20.000That's a can of worms we don't have to get into right now.
00:42:22.000But there's this paper that criticizes it from the left.
00:42:24.000It's my favorite paper that criticizes SEL as a paper written from an old-school critical Marxist.
00:42:30.000And so what he writes is that the purpose of this kind of narrative control, he calls the paper psychodata.
00:42:37.000And what's most valuable about you to this regime is your data.
00:42:56.000They can nudge you with what they call nudge theory.
00:42:58.000How you're supposed to think, how you're supposed to feel.
00:43:00.000The goal of this entire with social media is to create the environment in which
00:43:06.000they can do this psychological pushing, nudging of you into different kinds
00:43:09.000of decision trees that you might not have taken otherwise so they can control
00:43:12.000you. And this guy, Ben Williamson, he's a leftist, writes this paper saying this
00:43:15.000social-emotional learning program in schools, this is what this is for. It's
00:43:19.000to gather massive amounts of data. It's to use this data to control people to
00:43:22.000make them perfectly predictable economic consumers, perfectly controllable
00:43:28.000political subjects, and to control everybody basically completely all the time at the
00:43:33.000level of what he calls a psychocracy, a government through their psychology.
00:43:37.000So they think they're thinking for themselves but they're thinking what the
00:43:40.000algorithm taught them to think. And you therefore don't even have freedom of
00:43:43.000thought. This is his fear of what this is, this is what this is for. This is the kind
00:43:47.000of weapon that they want to build. This is a left-wing critique like Charlie
00:43:50.000was predicting would be coming down the pike. And what he says is that
00:43:54.000this is horrible and it's awful and we have to watch out. This is a leftist
00:43:57.000saying this and then what does he point to? Where does this come from? Who's funding
00:44:01.000it? He's like well we go through it's very easy the World Economic Forum is
00:44:04.000funding it, the United Nations is behind it, the World Bank is at the dead center
00:44:08.000of all of it. You can, all of the players we're always talking about are the people
00:44:11.000that are behind this huge push whether it's through social-emotional
00:44:14.000learning in the schools, whether it's through the algorocracy of government by
00:44:16.000algorithm through the social media, and this is again we come back to Elon, all
00:44:20.000of a sudden he's gonna he's just this dude, he's a rocket guy, he's gonna go,
00:44:23.000Rocket Man is gonna kicks Elon, kicks Elton John off of Twitter or whatever, Rocket
00:44:28.000Man comes in and he's gonna go build new algorithms that are fun and he has jokes
00:44:33.000and he wants memes and he's gonna build these algorithms that are not under
00:44:35.000their control and they But we had, I think it was Phil Labonte was on the show and he made a good point, he said, with Neuralink,
00:44:41.000There is going to be a chip in your brain that gives you the tiniest dopamine hit that you don't even realize when you're nudged just in the right direction.
00:44:50.000So you're a regular person living a normal life.
00:44:53.000They're not going to come out and say, get rid of all your stuff.
00:45:26.000There was an article that we read about a woman who said, I retired at 36.
00:45:32.000And then when you read it, you realize, one, she didn't actually retire, she's still working, and two, she lives in a van.
00:45:37.000Or she's traveling on a nomadic lifestyle.
00:45:40.000Yeah, when people think of retiring, they think of, they had a family, they have a house, they have a front yard, or something at least to that effect.
00:45:47.000It's about social engineering so people accept their slavery, because throughout human history, there always was some kind of despot or psychopath trying to take over the world, and I think The really smart ones realized, hey, it takes a lot of time and effort to kill a lot of people.
00:46:01.000And I think, in our modern society, what better way to take over society than, of course, have people enslave themselves.
00:46:06.000And I think that's exactly what's happening right now.
00:46:08.000And I think bullets have been replaced with tweets, bombs have been replaced with videos, and right now we are being engineered in fifth-generational warfare in order to destroy the free human spirit.
00:46:18.000And that's the bigger fight that's happening right now that people need to realize more than ever.
00:46:21.000And this is why I always say violence doesn't work because it's something they know how to control.
00:46:26.000It's something they know how to manipulate.
00:46:27.000They know that it instills fear and is a weapon for them.
00:47:18.000So you know what the code is telling people.
00:47:20.000And you want access to your data, and you want to limit, you want to opt-in when you want to opt-in, you don't want them to harvest your metrics.
00:47:27.000You're basically saying power to the people.
00:47:28.000And I think people should own their own data and make money off of it.
00:47:33.000Let me contribute some optimism, though, because the Neuralink thing is real, the manipulation of people, and people are looking for hope.
00:47:42.000People just screamed graphene, by the way.
00:47:53.000No, I was just going to say it's amazing news that 50 million people didn't take the mRNA gene-altering shot.
00:47:58.000I mean, that goes to show there is a lot more love of freedom out there and liberty.
00:48:04.000Despite the force, the incentives, the subsidies, the propaganda, the nudging, the Hollywood celebrities, the non-stop propaganda campaign, it was nothing but difficult to not take that shot.
00:48:16.000I mean, you had to go out of your way, you had to make an intentional decision, and still 50 million people made a decision that this was not for me.
00:48:24.000Raise your hand if he didn't take the shot.
00:49:49.000That you guys stood up, you men and women, particularly young men and women, stood up and refused to have that with all the pressure, all the society pressure, all the corporate pressure.
00:52:13.000The debt ceiling next year — 2023 are going to be massive fights on the biomedical security state, on the economy, on debt, on — are you prepared Remember, it's not that they have to have you accept slavery.
00:52:29.000They have to have you continue to vote and want slavery, right?
00:52:33.000That's what 2023 is going to be about.
00:52:35.000We've beaten them and the one thing they wanted to do was the biomedical security state.
00:52:39.000And yes, if we didn't have the internet and most People curious, the curiosity of people to get to hard things like finding your show, finding Turning Point USA, when we were broomed from everywhere, finding you when you're off Twitter.
00:52:53.000People found that information and they acted upon that information.
00:54:45.000When I said, no, no, just talk to a doctor.
00:54:46.000Don't go to a parking lot at a 7-Eleven.
00:54:49.000And this guy actually said, I just stuck my arm out the window and he injected me.
00:54:53.000And I said, shouldn't you have a doctor tell you this stuff?
00:54:56.000But it's the craziest thing to me that like...
00:55:00.000The whole thing about Joe Rogan is that Joe Rogan's saying, go find a doctor who's going to prescribe this, and they say Joe Rogan's giving medical misinformation.
00:55:57.000And truly, they tried to take away their banks, they tried to take away their livelihoods, they tried to take away their salaries, they tried to take everything away from these individuals, and they still stood up and made the right decisions, not just for themselves, but for everyone else who knew that they were not alone in this bigger fight of consent that the government wanted you to bend the knee down Allow me to be a bit of a milquetoast fence-sitter here and say my concern is not whether or not necessarily... Well, let me phrase it this way.
00:56:25.000I don't want to conflate government overreach with advice from a doctor necessarily.
00:56:30.000Certainly there are circumstances where we can look at the corporate press and they're all brought to you by Pfizer, brought to you by Pfizer, and we have to ask questions about whether or not we're getting real advice or if the media is just saying we don't want to piss off our advertisers.
00:56:42.000But I think there's a distinction to be made between what really bothers me is when you're forced to do something with ridiculous mandates, unconstitutional mandates, when they threaten to shut down your churches, when they threaten to take away your food, or they try and entice you with Krispy Kremes.
00:56:55.000I just want to make that distinction, I guess.
00:56:57.000Well, I just... I'll agree in the sense of...
00:57:00.000If the vaccine was so great, and their ideas were so great, then why did it have to be mandatory?
00:57:04.000It would have just been this amazing thing that everyone would be talking about.
00:57:07.000You know, that sounds like anarchist talk there.
00:57:09.000That sounds like a lot like voluntarianism.
00:57:51.000No, no, you know, I want to ask you guys a moral and ethical question, because I've been kind of harping on this for a little bit.
00:57:56.000And I guess I'll ask everybody in the audience, too, because I'm curious your thoughts.
00:57:58.000If there was a kid who had, let's say, bacterial meningitis, and the doctor prescribed antibiotic, And the parents both came and said, we don't believe in this, you know, this weird science mumbo-jumbo, so we're not going to give this to our kid, should the government intervene and say we're giving the antibiotic to the kid to save his life.
00:58:22.000I would say no, because in the simple sense of that question is, do you believe the government should mandate medication for you?
00:58:28.000And the answer for me to that is always hell no, because the government will use and abuse that power in order to hurt people, in order to screw them over, in order to make them the guinea pigs of this larger medical mRNA experiment.
00:58:39.000And if the government was able to give that child that medication, they could give them the shot, they could give them whatever the hell else they want.
00:58:46.000My point is the moral lines that we draw as a society, as a culture, in that when you look at something like, it's a new medication, it's only been out for a couple years, if that, and the government tries forcing it on people, everybody says no.
00:58:59.000But when you look at something as simple as an antibiotic for a bacterial infection, a lot of people are going to say yes.
00:59:03.000I know a lot of people here said no, and that's fine.
00:59:06.000It's never that simple what government Because, again, the gene pool will figure itself out.
00:59:10.000Like, people want to make some mistakes, they'll make some mistakes.
00:59:12.000But when you give the government that power and authority to inject something into your body, they will take that and they will abuse it to the fullest extent.
00:59:20.000They did it with the testigy experiments.
00:59:22.000They did it with the CIA dosing people with acid.
00:59:26.000They did it in so many different ways when it came to poisoning people, screwing them over, all in the name of science, doing what's best for everyone else, led to genocides and atrocities that the human mind can't even fathom.
00:59:40.000I mean, I'm genuinely going to say that this is a complicated issue, but it goes back to the point I made earlier about the mid-level violence.
00:59:55.000Like we're talking about, should we be able to, you know, because somebody has a bacterial infection, do we take an antibiotic or whatever?
01:00:00.000Could we have an expert panel of doctors or whatever?
01:00:03.000Could we have an expert panel of doctors say, wait a minute, this was a completely reasonable thing, and therefore the state can mandate... These are questions that healthy, normal societies that don't have parasitical, evil-intended regimes running the thing, which is what he's warning us about, will almost always become the case if we're not very, very, very...
01:00:25.000Look at the destruction of the American middle class that was done through doctors, that was done by the medical establishment, that was paid off by these sociopaths at Big Pharma that said, you know what?
01:00:38.000These are evil sociopathic son-of-a-bitches that don't give a damn about you, never gave a damn about you, and we should never concede and give them anything ever.
01:00:47.000And somehow... That seems to be the thing.
01:02:16.000Do you think thousands of parents are withholding antibiotics for their kids?
01:02:20.000I would argue that antibiotics are prescribed to their kids more than Lupron is, is what I'm saying.
01:02:23.000Oh, no, no, for sure, but I don't think there's a mass push of parents that are saying, hey, your eight-year-old might die, and I have, you know, a deep-seated conviction that somehow amoxicillin is against my view.
01:02:46.000And so the issue is, it's culture, not law.
01:02:49.000The law can say a lot of things, but if you have a group of people who don't believe in morals and ethics, none of it matters.
01:02:54.000The police aren't going to these simulated sodomy shows like they're doing now in San Antonio, and they're not stopping it because there's no cohesive culture.
01:04:38.000Poole, all these people that fought through Twitter crushing them, YouTube crushing them, Facebook crushing them, and this is the American cussedness to say, guess what?
01:07:48.000Well, it's been a pretty busy two-week campaign for chair of the Republican National Committee, and so it's been pretty non-stop.
01:07:55.000We were just talking about Jesus Christ and spirituality right as you were walking out, so it was a lot of, uh... A lot of things happening.
01:08:25.000And God gives us everything that's worth fighting for in this country and this world.
01:08:32.000And just in the Christian view, just to answer your question, so Jesus claimed he was God.
01:08:37.000There is a misconception that Jesus never did that.
01:08:40.000He repeated the phrase, I am, especially in the book of John.
01:08:43.000The first verse in the book of John is, in the beginning was the word, the word became, the word was God and the word became flesh.
01:08:49.000This idea of the logos, right, which is rational speech, which is God, made in the image of God.
01:08:55.000And Jesus coming down in human form, Was he took the broken form that we became after original sin because he loved us so much to minister alongside of us, to show miracles, to then eventually die a death he did not deserve, to defeat death so then he could be raised from the dead and we can have eternal life.
01:09:13.000Now the point is this, when we worship Jesus, We're not worshipping man, we're worshipping God that temporarily became man, lived a perfect life, and then gives us eternal life through what he did for us, something we did not earn, nor that we deserve.
01:09:29.000I'm concerned that a centralized authority wrote the storybook that tells us that he said he was God, because I never met him.
01:09:44.000And so what's interesting is they actually reinforce one another and never contradict each other.
01:09:48.000The most interesting is actually Luke, because Luke continues his gospel in the book of Acts.
01:09:53.000And so Luke is writing it to his benefactor, Theophilus, lover of God, who paid for him to actually go throughout the Middle East and saw it himself.
01:10:01.000Luke was a non-committed person, right?
01:10:03.000He was like, there's something magical happening here in the Middle East.
01:10:06.000And so you're right, you've never met Jesus, but my belief is you can, because he is the living God, right?
01:10:11.000So that you can invite him in your life, and in a moment, you can have a spiritual transformation.
01:10:16.000Don't mean to hijack it too much, Tim, but that's my metaphysical view, and Jesus will change your life, and you can be transformed in an instant.
01:10:49.000And the reason that I'm a Republican volunteer and activist, and I'm sure many of you in this room as well, is because I love this country.
01:10:55.000I came here as an immigrant when I was two years old.
01:10:57.000My parents registered as Republicans when they were naturalized.
01:11:02.000And, you know, my whole life I've fought for these values.
01:11:04.000I'm afraid that we have a lot of Republicans in positions of power today, including elected officials, including certainly some of my fellow Republican activists, who are in it for the wrong reasons, who are in it for ego, who are in it for self-gratification, who are happy to be the controlled, failed opposition.
01:11:47.000Can I ask you, just really quick, what would you be doing different right now?
01:11:51.000Your head right now, what's the first thing you do?
01:11:55.000Well, I'd probably hire some great young grassroots activists to handle the voter registration ballot harvesting, yes, and ballot curing in states where it's illegal.
01:12:05.000Scott Pressler is one of the guys who comes to mind, for sure.
01:12:25.000And if you're not, here's your two-week severance check and don't let the door hit you, okay?
01:12:32.000I would immediately initiate a top-to-bottom audit of all consulting and vendor contracts at the RNC.
01:12:38.000Because, from what I've seen, there is a tremendous amount of back-scratching, fat, waste, self-dealing, and generally stuff that doesn't get Republicans elected.
01:12:51.000So with those two things, that's off to a good start.
01:12:54.000But then there's policy, there's other things you have to do.
01:13:17.000So this is so important because what you have to understand is when the left makes its moves, you're like, oh the left, the left, the left.
01:13:22.000When the left makes its moves, it's making, again I keep saying this word, a provocation.
01:13:27.000When that becomes real is when the conservatives are like, okay.
01:13:31.000We reify the thing that you just wanted to do.
01:13:34.000So, you know, they pass some horrific policy, and when conservatives are like, OK, that's just how it is now, they change what it means to have an election.
01:13:41.000And conservatives say, that's just how it is now.
01:13:45.000That's when we've actually given away a piece of our country.
01:13:48.000So having somebody that's going to get in there and try to stand up and clean this mess up, this controlled opposition, hell, half of them are probably active participants, not controlled opposition.
01:14:18.000We don't lose our country until we give away the peace that they tried to take from us.
01:14:23.000This is so important, and this is why I'm so enthusiastic about Harmeet, and why I'm enthusiastic for anyone that's going to challenge the RNC, Mike Lindell included, right?
01:14:31.000And, which is this, is that when you lose, you should not be rewarded.
01:14:36.000I know that sounds so obvious, that's the way we treat our football teams, our corporations, or anything functioning, and we should have won the Senate this last election cycle.
01:14:46.000And the Democrats gained a Senate seat, period.
01:14:50.000Carrie Lake should have received far more support from national Republican organizations, and she did not.
01:14:59.000Look, I'm kind of a subject matter expert here.
01:15:03.000You know, at Turning Point USA, we're super blessed.
01:16:04.000So that shrieking sound you hear from the building at the RNC is a lot of consultants and staff there jumping to the defense of the chair.
01:16:14.000And I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt.
01:16:16.000She probably knew about some of these things and thought, OK, this is business as usual.
01:16:20.000That's part of the defense is, hey, everybody does it.
01:16:23.000And then part of it is done by her staff, including some of these consultants who are making themselves rich off of donor money, big dollar and small dollar donor money.
01:16:33.000But if you're so tone-deaf that you don't realize that $700,000 worth of flowers over a six-year period showing up on your FEC report when the Democrats spent $1,000 during that time is problematic and you're defending that, you are totally out of touch, okay?
01:16:51.000And blaming Trump, which is another line of attack that happened out of the RNC.
01:16:55.000They said, well, when the president is of your party, you pay for all the mementos.
01:17:45.000Just to add to this, because Trump was just brought up.
01:17:48.000Today he also officially endorsed Kevin McCarty as the head of the GOP, another career politician, which, as you can see from the... Yeah, keep going.
01:18:04.000What's your reaction to this kind of latest news item?
01:18:07.000Well, I'm going to say something, which is that if we had done our job at the RNC and also the leadership of the other two committees, and Republicans had a large majority in the House, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
01:18:21.000We wouldn't be having this really awkward conversation about a five-member margin.
01:18:27.000The Freedom Caucus, some of them not being happy, and this even being a conversation.
01:18:31.000We might have been able to freely elect somebody who was popular with all of the members, but because of this odd situation that if they don't go that way, a Democrat might win, I think that is sort of the only choice that Republicans have right now.
01:18:46.000Kevin McCarthy's better than a Democrat.
01:18:49.000And so, he's from my state, so I have to be, you know, a little diplomatic.
01:20:04.000This is why I kind of actually question one of your premises, Hamid.
01:20:08.000The premise that I'm questioning is that a Republican who sucks is better than a Democrat who you see as an obvious enemy.
01:20:18.000And so at this point, it's like I don't, and I'm not saying that I have an opinion on this, but I'm actually more worried about the Republican who poses as somebody who's going to do the right thing and then flops it every single time than I am about the Democrat who we, You know, we know they're going to do all this.
01:20:58.000You know, from a little bit of the earlier conversation, look, people on the right call me a liberal, people on the left call me conservative or far-right.
01:21:07.000And for someone like me, probably Ian and Luke, we're not as easy to convince to vote, especially when we see constantly McConnell or McCarthy or whatever.
01:21:17.000So I understand you don't want to lose.
01:21:18.000Me, I'm more amicable to, okay, I get it.
01:21:24.000But winning over more individuals like us to come to this side is going to be very difficult if we just keep saying the same thing over and over again.
01:21:32.000The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and expecting a different result.
01:21:37.000And so with messaging that isn't working, certainly not appealing to young people, the idea that a member of the 168 would attack the most popular youth movement in America right now shows you how out of touch they are.
01:21:50.000But by the way, all of us don't feel that way.
01:22:01.000Honestly, some of the members, by the way, many of the members I've spoken to, I've got to call each of them, have hour-long conversations, which is wonderful.
01:22:09.000A lot of them are saying, Harmeet, and one of the things they're upset about is that, organically, thousands of Americans began contacting them from their own state saying, we'd like change.
01:23:19.000It's establishment or anti-establishment, and there's a huge portion of this country that doesn't vote, doesn't participate, And if you get those people, because those people are the anti-establishment, those people are sick of the two-party duopoly.
01:23:31.000They're sick of being told lies every election cycle only to be let down, only to be promised a bag of goods that gets taken away when they get out of that voting box.
01:23:39.000How do you get the American people to care that are anti-establishment?
01:23:42.000That's a question that I would love to hear from you guys.
01:23:44.000Well one thing I would say is that I will say that the something I've been saying on the campaign trail for the last two weeks and for years actually is that our party is not the party of the Chamber of Commerce anymore and the warmongers and it's not that party anymore.
01:24:05.000But the people who run the party, some of the members of the 168 have actually been there since that era, and they haven't noticed that the voters have changed.
01:24:13.000They haven't noticed that the Trump populism has brought a whole new wave of people into the party.
01:24:18.000Unless we work to retain those by messages and messengers who believe that, who act that, who tell them that we want them, we are going to continue to lose elections.
01:26:24.000So first, it's kind of similar to the College of the Cardinals, but it's a secret ballot, which is upsetting to me, but it's also really exciting to me personally.
01:26:33.000It's upsetting because I want to be able to know who to hold accountable, but I think a lot of people are going to flip on Rana and vote for Harmeet since it's a secret ballot.
01:26:42.000So I think it's actually, I think, a better thing in some sense.
01:26:46.000But number two, to answer the question of how do you win over me, I will just keep on reiterating this.
01:26:51.000We're a conservative organization at Turning Point USA and we allow different opinions and different voices.
01:26:57.000There is a trend that on the right, free speech is protected and preserved.
01:27:01.000Show the equivalent left-wing group that would invite Tim Poole to go do his show and just kind of take questions.
01:27:18.000I agree with what you're saying, though, and it's that meme comic where it's, you know, a guy in the middle and there's a blue person and a red person, the blue person pushes the guy in the middle and the guy on the right says, oh, are you okay?
01:27:28.000And then they're like, why are you siding with the right?
01:27:30.000And I'm like, clearly, like, if I have discussions with people, I fall on the more traditional liberal spectrum.
01:27:36.000I'm sure James does on a lot of issues as well.
01:27:51.000Something that bothers me, you mentioned insanity earlier, Harmeet, doing the same thing over and over again, is that recently we've been using digital voting machines and they're tallying the votes in secret with proprietary code.
01:28:06.000And I'd like to see a backup of the voting on a blockchain so that we can verify our votes without having to rely on a company telling us what our votes are.
01:28:15.000I mean, the whole idea of these corporations having proprietary access and they can't show you the code because that would break some NDA, that's nonsense.
01:28:27.000It means that there was a period where we used paper ballots that you could physically see and check from a box, and then one day, without anybody realizing it, a private corporation got full control over that knowledge and took it away from us.
01:28:38.000Is it something at the RNC that you can change?
01:28:41.000I can't change it at the RNC, but the RNC can strongly encourage certain policies.
01:29:01.000After the Democrats didn't do well in the 2004 election, they all had a meeting of their Illuminati.
01:29:06.000Okay, they sat around a table and said, okay, Bob, Chuck, Jim, Sue, each of you is going to give hundreds of thousands of dollars for the following 200 nonprofits, nonprofits, okay?
01:29:16.000And then we're going to use that to control America's elections.
01:29:19.000And it took them a while, but they control America's elections now for the most part.
01:29:23.000And Republicans are like, oh, whoops, isn't that unfortunate, too bad, so sad, try again next time.
01:29:29.000We can start filing lawsuits right now to protect us for the 2024 election, and we have to.
01:29:37.000One simple thing you can do is win, and then once there are more good people who are in Congress and in the Senate, then they can start actually pushing those things.
01:29:44.000Yeah, I mean, I was arguing with a great conservative activist online about this, and they said, Harmony, why aren't you doing this?
01:29:52.000The way that we change the voting laws in each of the states is—we have to do it state by state—is win elections, win the legislature, and win the governor's race.
01:31:19.000Essentially, a lot of activists, you might say left-wing activists, are concerned with carbon in the air.
01:31:24.000You can withdraw the carbon from the air and turn it into graphene.
01:31:27.000So we can set up an industry where we're healing the earth and building the new material that will be used in the 21st century as the most epic building material.
01:31:37.000Let's broaden that and say when they talk about climate change and they try and use that as a message for elections, the simple answer is technology will solve all these problems if we advocate for it, be it graphene or something else.
01:31:47.000It will solve this problem but then create a new one where we start to take so much carbon out that the trees are suffering and we'll need to balance that out with countries across the world and create a global initiative.
01:31:56.000Sometimes I think he just says graphene to get a rise out of people.
01:32:56.000I mean, that's how you have a Fetterman, you know, that's how you have a Katie Hobbs.
01:33:00.000Absolutely empty vessels, but it doesn't matter because the machine will elect whoever has a D behind their name.
01:33:06.000Now on our side, we're asking people to elect the same leadership again and again at the RNC, the Senate, the House, and expect that things will be different.
01:34:00.000Yeah, but again, if you move people out of D.C., including government agencies, people will not find it so attractive to hang on to those jobs because in the real world, those are not very attractive jobs.
01:34:18.000So if people lived in America and they were like, hey, Bob looks happy across the street and Bob has a job at, you know, whatever, a factory or doing something useful, there's just more mixing it up in the real world.
01:34:28.000Where would you move it to when you go out of D.C.?
01:34:30.000Well, I wouldn't move it to a particular place, but we have all these swing states where we need to win them.
01:35:03.000I haven't even visited them, but the offices are running beautifully because we have telephones, we have Zoom, we have ways to communicate with each other.
01:35:11.000We don't all need to be sitting in some decrepit edifice in DC.
01:35:14.000So you're considering decentralizing the RMC?
01:36:22.000I've been a First Amendment lawyer for almost my entire career now, almost 30 years, and it first came to my attention what was going on.
01:36:29.000I mean, to be honest with you, the first time I got on Facebook, I ran for state assembly, and a young staffer told me to get on there, and it became fun.
01:36:35.000I got on Twitter when I became more active in the state party in California.
01:36:39.000But then what I learned about the case of James Damore, James Damore, young software programmer at Google.
01:36:45.000I didn't know him, but he got fired for saying the shocking truth that maybe we should be considering in diversity.
01:36:52.000We should be talking about diversity of ideas as well.
01:36:55.000And that was anathema, it got him fired.
01:36:58.000And so his friends tried to find a conservative lawyer in California, in San Francisco Bay
01:37:04.000Area who has expertise in employment law.
01:37:06.000And that was a sort of Venn diagram of one.
01:37:09.000And so I took his case and we really made that cause celebre.
01:37:13.000We exposed what was going on inside Google.
01:37:15.000And, you know, I can't discuss the details, but the case had a positive ending.
01:37:18.000And so as a result of that, I really began to look at some of these things.
01:37:22.000Then we get into Communications Decency Act, Section 230, social media censorship.
01:37:26.000I represented a prominent Canadian feminist named Megan Murphy.
01:37:30.000Megan Murphy was critical of a transgender activist, Jessica Yaniv, in in Vancouver who hadn't transitioned medically, but was
01:37:42.000going to immigrant women's homes and asking them to wax this person's genitals.
01:37:47.000You know, and these women wouldn't want to do it, and then he would file civil rights
01:37:50.000lawsuits against them for violating their rights.
01:37:52.000And Megan Murphy was banned initially for saying men aren't women, though.
01:38:05.000But the Twitter Illuminati, if you will, simply retroactively changed the law, changed the
01:38:12.000terms of service, and bounced her permanently.
01:38:15.000And so I sued over that case, went to the state court and the court of appeals, and the court said, sorry, Communications Decency Act Section 230 means their terms of service don't matter.
01:39:17.000If anybody here, you know, cites them or thinks of relying on them.
01:39:21.000I want to give a special shout out to our friends in the corporate press, who created their own Wikipedia entry called Thursday Night Massacre because a small handful were suspended temporarily on Twitter.
01:39:55.000We had all the branches of government.
01:39:57.000And then we have Republican congressmen who love to pound the table and point fingers at the executives at these social media companies, and then go to a reception at, you know, K Street and pick up checks from them.
01:40:09.000That's the uniparty that people are talking about.
01:40:13.000Until we have elected officials who are willing to stand up and say there needs to be a Social Media Users Bill of Rights that gives us a private right of action, that Communications Decency Act 1996 law, way before any of these social media companies, needs to be edited to make clear that it does not exempt these companies from normal laws that govern corporations.
01:40:33.000You mentioned earlier when you were saying Twitter, I agree with you.
01:40:35.000Also check out the Manila principles because they've got six great principles that are on a path for a law, internet law.
01:40:40.000But what you were saying when Megan Murphy was dealing with getting banned, Twitter changed the law after the fact.
01:40:44.000Then you corrected yourself and said the terms of service.
01:41:33.000I am certainly the only member of the Republican National Committee who, when the Patriot Act was passed, joined the board of the American Civil Liberties Union in order to try to repeal it.
01:41:47.000Every time I run for any office, it's part of It's part of Rana's oppo that she's dumping on me.
01:41:53.000I'm proud of the fact that back in the day, I saw that the government having this kind of power in the name of national security was rapidly going to be wielded against Americans.
01:42:04.000And there was only one member of Congress who voted against it, it was a Democrat, and
01:42:07.000it was Barbara Lee in California, across the bay in Oakland.
01:42:12.000But those of us who were paying attention on both sides of the aisle, there were Republicans
01:42:15.000back then still supporting the ACLU, not today, including not me, for many years.
01:42:21.000But exactly what I was worried about 21 years ago has come to pass.
01:42:26.000And it came to pass years ago and we didn't know about it.
01:42:29.000And so, we should wake up and smell the coffee.
01:42:32.000The government should never have that kind of control to be able to read our emails, read our chats, treat all of us as guilty until proven innocent.
01:42:39.000That is anathema to the Constitution itself.
01:42:41.000But what if we got rid of the Patriot Act?
01:42:43.000I don't like the Patriot Act at all, but if we got rid of it, and then our government couldn't spy on us anymore, but then the Chinese government could, and would, and the British government would, and the Mexican government would, like, would that put us at a disservice as Americans?
01:42:57.000No, I mean, I don't really follow that.
01:42:59.000I mean, if we're allowing other governments to spy on us, we got to stop that.
01:43:03.000It's not a solution to just say we should all be spying.
01:43:05.000So maybe the Patriot Act itself is irrelevant, that we just need technology that's resilient to spying.
01:43:10.000Or we need a government that's resilient to pandering to every, you know, foreign innovation.
01:43:16.000I don't know why TikTok is allowed in this country.
01:43:20.000I love this one, too, because there's a lot of liberal and lefty types who are like, oh, I'm so free speech, I'm in favor of banning an entire social media platform, and I've seen that from some of the enlightened centrists, too.
01:43:30.000And it's a foreign-owned corporation that's manipulating our youth, and we're banned from it.
01:43:37.000It's a spying, it's a patriot, it's the Chinese version of the Patriot Act that we, like gullible fools, are willingly allowing onto our devices.
01:43:45.000We could demand that the code is open source before it sets foot on our soil.
01:43:49.000I mean, look, I mean, for all of... I praised Elon Musk for his innovations.
01:43:54.000You can't do business in China without being beholden to the Chinese government.
01:44:46.000We must treat our data, I don't know exactly, we got a lawyer, she can deal with it, but it really does need to fall under the idea of something akin to copyright law.
01:44:54.000You produce the data, you somehow have ownership over that data, you somehow have control over that data.
01:44:58.000Because if we're not doing that, then it's getting used, it's getting sold.
01:45:01.000There is a patchwork of laws in different states that give you certain rights, but it's not a federal law.
01:45:49.000There were a few statements recently about creating a new world order.
01:45:53.000I'm curious, I guess, you know, Harmeet, you weren't here for the earlier part of the conversation about the Great Reset, this international, I don't know, you will own nothing and you will be happy kind of mentality that we're seeing.
01:46:05.000I mean, my parents didn't leave their homeland and bring me here to America for America to turn into some kind of socialist utopia.
01:46:14.000So, in fact, most of the people who come to this country don't want that.
01:46:17.000It's amazing how many Americans who grew up here and have all the privileges in the world have no awareness about world history or human nature or the brutality that happens in the name of equality.
01:47:34.000I think we'd be better off, you know, I'm coming in and I see they got all the big security and stuff like that and there's the signs and I grew up in Chicago and I'm just like, I'm not going to live that way.
01:47:44.000If I want to be up here and I want to put myself at risk, that's nothing about everyone.
01:47:47.000There's no reason to take away someone else's rights.
01:48:28.000And I think on the local level, government actually, you know... Well, hold on.
01:48:33.000Trump did a bump stock, which I didn't like.
01:48:35.000But Trump also appointed Supreme Court justices that upheld the Heller decision.
01:48:39.000Which is way more consequential than some aesthetic configuration on a gun.
01:48:43.000But what did Biden do other than just rhetoric?
01:48:45.000Biden, I believe, has now directed the ATF and the FBI to go after purchases, bank transactions.
01:48:51.000No, no, the bank transactions are a private company.
01:48:53.000But Biden does talk a tough talk, but he hasn't done anything yet.
01:48:57.000From what I understand, he is re-weaponizing the federal government to go after what they called Operation Choke Point, which is basically destroying firearm manufacturers in our country.
01:49:08.000Not to mention... By the way, nothing is done by a private company anymore.
01:49:12.000If anything over the last few days of the Twitter dumps has come to us, do not believe that anybody is organically doing things that are taking away your rights.
01:49:48.000And Heller, just so you know, was the Washington, D.C.
01:49:51.000plaintiff that said, I have a right to own a firearm.
01:49:54.000And Clarence Thomas was the deciding vote and wrote the opinion.
01:49:58.000And he said, yes, not only is the Second Amendment critical for your safety, but you have a moral right to be able to defend yourself because of the Second Amendment.
01:50:34.000In my opinion, even with the ones who were there for a long time, I like the system where we have to be forced to elect good people to the presidency so that we aren't just waiting for the justices to term out.
01:50:48.000It does up the stakes for the presidency, but that's okay because what's at stake is our liberty, and I don't want them to just be rotating out and have new versions of them.
01:50:56.000We're going to wrap up the live portion for everybody watching at home, and we're going to take questions from the audience.
01:51:01.000But for those who are watching at home, become a member at TimCast.com, because we're going to have that members-only Q&A up as the members-only portion for tonight.
01:51:08.000So there's still something there available for you.
01:52:00.000I look forward to joining you next month as well.
01:52:03.000Thank you, Charlie, for starting Turning Point USA, one of the most exciting and innovative organizations in the country.
01:52:10.000If you are a Republican, since many of my Republican fellow members are very triggered at hearing from their voters, I would ask that you perhaps contact Republican delegates or activists or committee men or precinct men in your state and ask for a vote on the leadership of the RNC at that activist level.
01:52:27.000That's been successful in Arizona, in Texas, in Tennessee, and increasing in other states.
01:52:32.000So, finally, make your views known, stand up and be counted.