On this week's episode of the Timestamps, we discuss the burning of a man in effigy at a speech by Michael Knowles at the University of Pittsburgh, the Tiki Torch Massacre in Virginia, and the return of John Fetterman to Congress.
00:00:27.000Pitt last night, when far-leftists burned him in effigy, set fires outside, obviously, in addition to the effigy, and threw an explosive, which caused the building to get locked down.
00:00:37.000And it's fairly par for the course we've seen with far-left extremism, but With all that happening, I'd have to wonder, how would you define burning something with the intent to intimidate?
00:00:47.000Because we have another story where the guys who marched in Charlottesville with tiki torches are being criminally indicted for marching with tiki torches.
00:00:54.000Now look, I don't think anybody in this room likes those guys.
00:00:57.000In fact, I'm assuming most of you watching probably don't like those guys either, but they're allowed their free speech.
00:01:01.000If they want to march around chanting or whatever, okay, fine.
00:01:50.000These are wild times, plus we have this very funny viral video, funny sad by the way, of John Fetterman's return to the Senate and uh... Oh man, I just... At what point does anybody intervene to stop this?
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00:03:18.000Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is the man himself, Michael Knowles.
00:03:23.000It's good to be with you and I was burned in effigy last night, but I'll tell you what,
00:03:28.000I think I got the last laugh because Tim, I'm still alive.
00:07:03.000Only one of them has words in it, okay?
00:07:05.000The professor should have been down to debate.
00:07:07.000The professor didn't like me from the beginning, especially because of my CPAC speech, called me a fascist, called me an anti-Jesus Catholic.
00:07:24.000But he said, even though Knowles is terrible, it's important that we debate these issues.
00:07:29.000And he kept sort of insulting my intelligence.
00:07:31.000We had a pre-debate call just a few weeks ago.
00:07:35.000In which he reiterated his desire to debate and then...
00:07:39.000A week or so before the debate, he pulls out.
00:07:42.000And he pulled out because he's intelligent.
00:07:44.000And I think he realized that not even a guy with three Harvard degrees and a whole bunch of honorary doctorates could defend this indefensible idea.
00:07:52.000I think he also may have pulled out because he realized that I'm not just a provocateur bomb thrower, like the literal bomb throwers that were outside of the building.
00:08:01.000I think he just realized I'm kind of relatively polite and we were just going to debate these issues.
00:08:46.000I probably haven't been on the show since the CPAC speech.
00:08:48.000Yeah, I said, I've now memorized this quote because it's come up in the news so much.
00:08:53.000For the good of society, and especially for the good of the poor people who've fallen prey to this confusion, transgenderism must be eradicated from public life, the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.
00:11:33.000But, I've heard this over and over again.
00:11:36.000When I was in Berkeley, someone took, uh, I think it was an M-80, and threw it in the air, and it landed next to an old woman and exploded, and she fell down.
00:11:45.000And I said, someone just threw an explosive at this old lady, and they were like, oh come on, it's a firecracker!
00:13:09.000So Michael, I gotta ask, how do you, based on this quote that kind of set this all in motion about eradicating transgenders, and probably those two words are pretty extreme to have near each other, but how do you balance that with transgender people and your love or care for people that happen to be going through what they're going through?
00:13:25.000Well, there is no such ontological category as transgender people.
00:13:30.000There are people who are confused about their sex, but the whole point is that there is no such thing as a man who is secretly a woman.
00:14:19.000Either men can really be women or they can.
00:14:21.000And that was why the left reacted so much to my speech, because the libs thought that
00:14:26.000they had won on the issue of transgenderism.
00:14:28.000No one took this thing seriously ten years ago.
00:14:31.000Now it is enshrined in our law, and they thought that they won, and they thought that the debate over transgenderism was now going to be, should we trans the seven-year-olds, or should we wait till they turn eight?
00:14:40.000And in my speech, I said, no, guys, there's no—on certain issues, there's a middle ground, like taxes.
00:15:05.000Right, you could abolish women's bathrooms altogether, but some women might say, you know, the issue isn't that we don't have enough bathrooms out there, because the other people, they'll say, well we just need another sports team for the transgenders, but it's going to be, obviously we'll need two more sports teams, one for the female to male transgenders and one for the male to female, so how many leagues are we going to have?
00:15:53.000I can take my coat off, I can hang it up, I got like a big mirror to myself, I think it's fantastic.
00:15:58.000Those used to be called family bathrooms.
00:15:59.000That's right, they just changed the label.
00:16:01.000Fair point though, there's always a huge line coming out of the women's bathroom, so taking that bathroom away and giving them a single room is probably just gonna make things a lot cluttered.
00:16:09.000Probably gonna have to just turn the whole airport into a bunch of individual single stall bathrooms.
00:16:14.000My issue is, when it comes to female sports, is that we did not create women's leagues because sometimes people wear dresses.
00:16:22.000We created women's leagues because biological females have different physical characteristics and want to compete amongst themselves without men.
00:16:30.000So all of a sudden now the debate becomes, well, is a trans woman a woman?
00:16:34.000Then they can compete on the women's team.
00:16:37.000If you're making the argument that woman just refers to social constructs, let me just remind you, we did not create the WNBA because sometimes people wear dresses.
00:16:46.000Real quick, because the women playing basketball in the WNBA are wearing the same jerseys that guys wear.
00:16:51.000The social constructs don't play a role in that.
00:16:53.000It's so important, I think, to say, like, a boy is a boy, and if he becomes a trans girl or trans woman, he's still a boy that is a trans woman.
00:17:05.000You're still a human that identifies as a carrot or whatever, or a man that identifies as a woman, but it's still a man and a trans woman together.
00:17:19.000This is the problem with it, is every time that I've tried to engage in a conversation with a serious person, I'm not just talking about some clout-chasing YouTubers or whatever.
00:17:28.000I'm talking, I wanted the most serious pro-trans person there was.
00:17:36.000ISI then invited like a dozen people who are big in the transgender movement None of them would, because they can't debate it.
00:17:43.000But here's the, you know what it is, I think, I've thought about these issues, gun control, assault weapons, what is a woman, things like that, and I feel like I've done a better job articulating what their position should be.
00:17:57.000The issue is, and you could probably do the same, you could better articulate an argument on their behalf, but if you're being consistent, you're being logical and honest, you arrive more in a position where we are, you'd say, okay, I can't make those arguments.
00:18:08.000Well, there's just no way to make it work, because they make a lot of mutually contradictory arguments.
00:18:11.000On the one hand, they'll say, well, transgenderism is when your true self doesn't align with your body.
00:18:17.000So I guess your soul is female, but your body is male.
00:18:22.000So then they'll make a materialist argument.
00:18:24.000They'll say, OK, well, no, it's actually your body is male, but your brain is female.
00:18:28.000Which, first of all, is based on just complete bunk science.
00:18:31.000And there are interesting ways to debunk the methodological issues in those studies, but I think that was formally debunked, though, to be honest.
00:18:40.000Yeah, I remember there was a big issue with transracialism, like seven years ago, and people were trying to use this idea that a brain could be male or female and the body could be different as the explanation, and then something happened where an academic created a transracial argument saying that individuals who have, let's say a person is like 2.7% Asian and they present white, they may have within their minds that they're actually Asians, and the left went Of course.
00:19:06.000Lost it, because now, whoa no, white people aren't, you can't do that, and so that kind of broke the whole argument.
00:19:11.000The other reason the brain studies are crazy is one, men and women's brains are a little bit different, but the problem is the studies, when they're looking at the brains, they're looking at people generally who have been on these cross-sex hormones forever, so you can't know if the hormones themselves are changing the brain makeup.
00:19:26.000Also, the way in which the brains are a little bit different, say the brain of a trans woman from a man, The difference does not make the brain look like a female brain.
00:19:35.000It makes it look like a little bit different entirely.
00:19:37.000And so there are all sorts of problems with that.
00:19:40.000But even then, the problem with their argument is, your brain is part of your body.
00:19:45.000So you're saying part of my body is male, but the other part is female, but it doesn't actually show up on the scan.
00:20:40.000Right, but I don't even just love the biological argument, because I sort of think it partakes of the same soul-denying scientism that got us in this mess in the first place.
00:20:48.000You know, if the answer to what is a woman is two X chromosomes in a womb, I think there's more to it than that, man.
00:20:54.000Maybe sugar, spice, and everything nice.
00:21:40.000I think what's happening is there's the Catholic, the Christian conservative that says that a spirit impregnated Jesus's mother, that somehow.
00:21:58.000Yeah, well, no, I mean, the virgin birth did happen, and the incarnation's the pivot of history, but you're right, one of those things is fantastical, and one of them is the miracle that directs the entire course of history.
00:22:09.000What's happening is that people that are identifying as a woman, that are as a man, is like, well, they say that ghosts can impregnate people, so why do I even take it seriously?
00:22:17.000They're denying the categories of male and female altogether, they're denying that there are Natural laws.
00:22:25.000Miracles are just things that happen that deviate from the natural laws, seemingly for supernatural reasons.
00:22:32.000But you've got to admit, like, saying that God could impregnate a woman's body is mythical.
00:22:50.000God is the creator, God is outside of time and space, and the mystery of the incarnation is that God, the divine logic of the universe, the logos, takes on human flesh and dwells among us.
00:23:03.000Now, the reason this is not magical thinking is God being defined as the maximally great being, as omnipotent, can do what he wills, especially as he is logic itself.
00:23:14.000a little boy is not God, a little boy is not omnipotent, or a 25-year-old man for that matter.
00:23:20.000And so when a 25-year-old man says, I'm actually a woman and comes up with some cockamamie
00:23:24.000explanations to why that is, that can't make sense. Now, I'm not insisting that you believe
00:23:28.000in God, but I am pointing out that if you acknowledge that some things are better than
00:23:33.000other things and that an intelligible world probably implies an intelligence that created
00:23:37.000the world that's outside of time and space, then the existence of miracles is not something
00:23:41.000that's crazy or unbelievable. That would naturally follow from that.
00:23:46.000I Ian if a boy was witnessed by Let's say let's just say a young man 20 years old Six foot tall, walked into a town center, walked into Columbus Circle in New York City, and hundreds of people gathered around, and then he went, something strange is happening, and then transformed into a woman.
00:24:52.000I mean, they're definitely different categories, but different ways of kind of taking leaps of assumption about things that I think are patently impossible.
00:26:31.000There are many smart thinkers, the easiest one is Elon Musk, because he's so famous, who believe that if it is possible to create a universe, to simulate a universe, based on our current... Here's the idea.
00:26:43.000Based on our current level of technology, we have created such vast virtual worlds In 30 years with the advent of this technology, it is likely that in another 30 years, we'll be able to create things indistinguishable from reality, considering where deepfakes are at already.
00:26:57.000Yeah, we're only probably 10 years away from being able to render on-the-fly universes.
00:27:05.000At most, I mean, yeah, that might be a little long.
00:27:07.000With deepfakes already to the point where they can make Joe Rogan say whatever they want him to say and even show him... There was a commercial of Joe Rogan selling a product because they just typed into a computer, pressed enter, and it rendered a video.
00:27:21.000Now imagine, they have to do the exact same thing but using 3D modeling like Unity or something, Unreal Engine or something like that.
00:27:28.000I don't like that analogy, by the way.
00:27:29.000I don't like that belief that if we might do it in the future, if it's likely that we'll do it in the future, that it already happened.
00:27:34.000to do in only a few years, there is a strong likelihood we actually exist in such a universe.
00:28:37.000When I'm programming a video game, I can just right-click, insert object, and manifest a goblin.
00:28:43.000There's no point at which I have to find a person and then draw on him and make him... No, like, when you're programming something, you can just put it there.
00:28:51.000When you're playing Fallout and you want to build a treehouse, you click a button, boom, the treehouse appears.
00:28:55.000There's a difference between you being a programmer who can make something happen, and in the game, a character deciding they are not what you made them.
00:29:06.000If the power goes out, good luck convincing anyone we're in a simulation.
00:29:10.000We're fantasizing about some ridiculous possibility because we have electricity.
00:29:14.000I'm not trying to fantasize, I'm trying to point out that arguing someone who is biologically male, you can observe their DNA under an electron microscope and see they have X and Y chromosomes, coming out and saying actually after the surgery they're now female, because this is one component of this.
00:29:33.000I often mention I'm sitting at poker tables because that tends to be what I'm doing on the weekends.
00:29:38.000There was a dealer and someone brought up on the TV they were having a discussion about men and female sports.
00:29:43.000And the dealer said something like it was kind of obvious the dealer was not taking kindly to all of these 30 to 40 year old men who were not happy with this.
00:30:10.000The point is, If someone is female and they are transgender, they have a womb, they have breasts, but they want to exhibit the characteristics of a male, that is a trans man.
00:30:23.000What's happened now is the left is conflating.
00:30:25.000They are saying female and woman mean the same thing now.
00:30:29.000So you'll often hear people say transgender female to refer to a biological male who wants to be a woman.
00:30:37.000Well, it has to be confused because there's no argument for it.
00:30:41.000And to your point, Ian, you're saying, well, I don't like magical thinking on the left, so I don't want magical thinking on the right either.
00:30:46.000But the difference here is there are many good arguments for the existence of God.
00:30:52.000And then we can get into miracles from the existence of God.
00:32:05.000I've told the stories about the conversations I've had with people who are religious when I view myself as an atheist.
00:32:10.000And the book that I actually read was about quantum physics.
00:32:14.000Putting electrons through conductors, and then trapping them to simulate elements and things of that nature, and the prospect that we could create one-dimensional sheets of an element, and then by altering the amount of electrons we push through the conductors, we could change the elemental properties and things like that.
00:32:30.000I started reading that stuff, and then it made me start to think about the universe, think about simulation theory and logic, and then I was like, oh wow, I'm starting to see a bigger picture here.
00:32:41.000Understanding that there is, like, we are in some kind of logical system.
00:32:48.000The universe, it's hard to quantify, to be completely honest.
00:32:51.000Well, the very fact that you're speaking in a way that is intelligible to me presupposes that there is such a thing as logic outside of ourselves, and it implies an intelligent creator.
00:33:00.000I want to make sure I get this one before they try and take a clip.
00:33:06.000We then create equations and solve problems, and humans have a degree of understanding of math.
00:33:12.000That is not a human creation, it is humans mapping the logic of the universe.
00:33:17.000Meaning, the logic of the universe exists to a massive degree well beyond our comprehension, and we have a tiny little flashlight that we're pointing in the dark and writing down what we see.
00:33:27.000It's possible that after billions of years, humans create this big, huge quantum blackboard
00:33:32.000showing all of the code that we would describe with the universe, and that is the logic
00:33:37.000or whatever you describe it as, but we can only see a tiny piece of it.
00:33:41.000It's real, it exists, and we're mapping it out.
00:33:43.000Within the confines of that, to say something like, yes, this thing is discernibly wood,
00:33:50.000it's a word we use to describe this carbon structure, I've decided it's a map.
00:34:03.000It's funny because when I was a teenager, I actually got into an argument with a friend of mine who was in high school, and they were teaching this back then.
00:34:09.000I, I, she told me, one plus one does not equal two, that's a social construct.
00:34:14.000And I said, what are you talking about? No, it isn't.
00:34:16.000And I was like, I have a pen in this hand. I grabbed pens off her table.
00:34:18.000I was like, here's a pen, here's a pen. I have one pen here, one pen here.
00:34:21.000There's two pens in my hand. There will never be a circumstance where that is three pens.
00:34:25.000And then she's like, you don't understand. And I was like, no, I don't think you understand.
00:34:29.000But I don't want to, I don't want to go in circles on that.
00:34:30.000I do want to move on to the next story.
00:34:32.000We'll maybe come back in the members-only stuff and get more deep.
00:34:57.000Wired writer suspended from Twitter after using platform to solicit and receive Matt Walsh's hacked materials.
00:35:04.000Del Cameron said, prove me wrong kids, send Matt Walsh DMs to, and then posted his email address.
00:35:11.000They say on Wednesday, Wired senior reporter Del Cameron was permanently suspended from Twitter, permanently, after he asked for and obtained hacked materials from Matt Walsh's Twitter account.
00:35:21.000Quote, spoke with the hacker who says he compromised Matt Walsh's account.
00:35:25.000And who was able to supply some convincing proof they'd gain access to his personal email account.
00:35:37.000In a post to Mastodon, Cameron stated that he just got permanently suspended for publishing this story, linking to an article he wrote titled, The Hacker Who Hijacked Matt Walsh's Twitter Was Just Bored.
00:35:47.000Another post revealed that Cameron was suspended from Twitter for violations of the social media's policies against the distribution of hacked materials.
00:35:54.000The story alleges that the hacker provided screenshots of an apparent copy of Matt Walsh's W-2 tax form, which lists his employer as Bent Key Services LLC, the publisher of the Daily Wire.
00:36:04.000A direct message on Twitter from Shapiro from 2017, emails between Walsh and the conservative commentator Crowder, host of Lodworth Crowder's podcast, dated March 14th, etc, etc.
00:36:13.000I don't want to go through all that because I don't want to actually reveal any of that private information.
00:36:17.000But this just goes to show, in my opinion, many of these corporate journalists, they're working in collusion with, in tandem with, the people who are sending threats, who are intimidating.
00:36:38.000I can't remember the exact story, but a blackmailer got access to the information and said, if you don't give me money, I will give this to journalists.
00:36:46.000And I think it was Gawker, I could be wrong, but the journalists were like, we would love to publish this and basically collude with a blackmailer.
00:36:53.000What Del Cameron is doing here, this Wired reporter, is basically saying we will be the the the information laundering service for those that want to destroy your life and harass and intimidate and cause you harm.
00:37:06.000So Matt Walsh, who clearly has ideological enemies, will seek out, the enemies will seek out any means by which they can cause damage to him.
00:37:14.000And this is, quote-unquote, journalists doing it.
00:37:17.000The great irony of this is the journos, who I think very few people on the right have any respect for anymore, but they're understanding what you've pointed out, Tim, which is that they just work with these political operatives.
00:37:28.000But the journalists always present themselves as the brave fourth estate speaking truth
00:38:19.000Well, this is also the reason that we sell a lot of chocolate and razors and why Daily Wire is a for-profit company.
00:38:26.000The only way to fight back against any of these people is to have a lot of money that we can translate into power so that these guys don't do what they're doing against Matt or me or Brett Cooper just got booted from TikTok today.
00:38:46.000But the reason that we need to have a lot of money is so that we can fight back and punish these guys when they do it so they don't do it against everybody else.
00:38:53.000Could it have anything to do with the launch of the delicious She-Her He-Him Chocolate Bars by Jeremy's Chocolate?
00:39:23.000So Jeremy insists that if he is going to tell a joke, it has to be a very, very expensive joke.
00:39:30.000And so we decided early on, we could have just sold schlock kind of products and people probably would have bought them and it would have been fine.
00:39:53.000I only read that because I saw the soy free in it.
00:39:59.000This has been one of the big realignments, is that when I was growing up, when we were all growing up, the libs were the crunchy people and the conservatives were just slopping down all sorts of corporate hormone-injected food, and now it's completely the opposite.
00:40:11.000It's the libs lining up for just soy, seed oil city, and it's the conservatives who are buying the $12 eggs.
00:40:20.000Like a sea change in 2012, something about Barack Obama and people just following the media narrative and just buying the Pfizer and buying the Coca-Cola and doing what the commission said.
00:40:29.000To be fair, Trump, you know, he loves McDonald's.
00:41:23.000Fortunately, we can afford very good lawyers.
00:41:26.000Yeah, we're gonna be suing ourselves, Bandcamp.
00:41:31.000So, uh, they took down me, Bryson Gray, five times August, probably a couple others.
00:41:37.000Um, I don't know how much I should say, though, but, uh, apparently they're lying publicly and internally about what happened, so we actually have, you know, I probably shouldn't say too much.
00:41:49.000Now I gotta know, you can't just leave that at the table.
00:41:52.000But for legal reasons, like, because we're gonna enter litigation, most likely, probably can't say too much, but I guess in this regard, perhaps it would be good that they know this, that we actually, uh, have received, uh, I'll keep it as light as possible.
00:42:06.000Let's just say I have evidence that they're spreading defamation to defend, to preempt.
00:42:33.000Conservatives, for a long time, we've just been so nice.
00:42:36.000And I still think we should be just and do the right thing and virtuous.
00:42:41.000But we got to be a little less nice, okay?
00:42:43.000I think we need to start wielding power a little bit more.
00:42:46.000I think we've got to engage in lawfare.
00:42:48.000People always think that the threshold for defamation suits is too high because of the ridiculous standards set by New York Times versus Sullivan.
00:42:54.000One, that decision should have been overturned.
00:42:57.000It should be much easier to sue people for intentionally lying about you.
00:43:47.000I'm sure the editors got a call from their lawyers that said, you've got to change this, because though the standard is high, you have crossed it.
00:44:47.000We here at Timcast are going to make a generic website and we're going to get a URL that can be universal and we'll call it, I don't know, like, you know, Something product.
00:45:00.000And then whichever brand makes the first step over the line in some kooky wokeness, we'll immediately mock up some graphics, drop it onto the site, and start selling whatever it is, and then worry about sourcing it later.
00:45:27.000They can apologize, but initially they defended it, then they tried to pretend they didn't know about it, then they tried to split the baby with this crisis communication stuff.
00:45:34.000Then they made that stupid horse commercial that appealed to nobody.
00:45:40.000But the bigger story, I think, is not even the hit to Anheuser-Busch.
00:45:43.000I think the bigger story is the hit to Dylan Mulvaney's brand.
00:45:47.000Because I'm not convinced, after this huge, unprecedented blowback against Bud Light, do you think other companies are going to be so quick to sponsor this guy?
00:46:23.000I just think six and a half a bill in market cap, that's a lot to lose.
00:46:27.000And I always think it's important to stress this point for those who watch all the episodes.
00:46:31.000You've heard me say it, but just whenever I repeat stuff like this in multiple episodes, understand it's because not everyone watches every show.
00:46:38.000But, uh, Dylan Mulvaney's not trans, and this was said to me by multiple trans people, citing one very powerful example.
00:46:46.000Dylan Mulvaney making a video pointing to his bulge and saying, look at my bulge, look at my bulge.
00:46:50.000The issue is that people who are gender dysphoric feel pain, depression, and anxiety from those attributes.
00:46:57.000Gender dysphoria, quite literally, would be a person saying, like, don't look at me, don't look at this part of my body, it causes me anxiety.
00:47:04.000Dylan Mulvaney making a video saying, women have bulges, look at my bulge.
00:47:08.000Is the antithesis of what gender dysphoria is supposed to be.
00:47:11.000Yeah, you mentioned earlier the time for being nice is not now and I agree because like nice is like Oh, someone's gonna say that they're a girl when it's a guy and I'm like, okay I'll just not say anything because I want to be nice now be nice.
00:47:58.000He was explaining how people think weak and meek are the same thing, and that's a big misconception.
00:48:02.000Yeah, no, it's a very important point.
00:48:05.000And, you know, when we try to parse the truth of this issue, because I agree, Tim, there's
00:48:10.000obviously something weird going on with Dylan Mulvaney here that isn't true of all people
00:48:14.000who have sexual confusion, but there are different types of transgenderism.
00:48:18.000Dr. Ray Blanchard made a point that he discovered two different types of transgender people, which is Homosexuals who like the idea of being a woman, and people with autogynephilia, people who have a sexual fetish, who are aroused at the prospect of dressing up like a woman.
00:48:36.000That's the traditional understanding of cross-dressing.
00:48:38.000The first one would be gender dysphoria, is that what you're saying?
00:48:40.000Well, they're both a kind of a gender dysphoria, but it's a really complex issue.
00:48:45.000A good analogy for this would be body integrity disorder, which body integrity disorder shares a lot of the same attributes.
00:48:52.000Obviously, it's a defect of perception about your body.
00:48:55.000It often sets in early on between the ages of 8 and 12.
00:48:59.000There may be some mapping onto the brain to explain it, though a lot of those studies seem kind of a little shallow as well.
00:49:07.000Often, though not all the time, this disorder is associated with sexual arousal, that it has an association with a kind of a paraphilia or a sexual fetish.
00:49:15.000So it's virtually identical to transgenderism.
00:49:18.000Well, I will add to that, there's three different kinds that I believe that we've seen publicly.
00:49:25.000The two you mentioned, but then Dylan Mulvaney represents a third, and that is pseudotransgenderism.
00:49:51.000Let's assume, I think it was Michael Malice who said that Dylan Mulvaney is acting out a fetish.
00:49:55.000And this probably comes from Michael's personal friendships with trans individuals.
00:50:01.000I thought you were gonna say his personal perversions and fetishes.
00:50:04.000No, that too, but... Michael's friends with some trans people, and this is probably the experience he's had with them and things they've explained to him.
00:50:11.000So, is Dylan Mulvaney acting out a fetish?
00:50:14.000If it is, I think it was Leah Thomas, who was accused of being what they call AGP autogynophilic, meaning that it's a fetish, that they're aroused by this.
00:50:24.000Well, Dylan Mulvaney would not be making a video singing, look at my bulge, look at my bulge, because the fetish is, look at me, I'm a woman, right?
00:50:31.000If it was gender dysphoria, where the person experiences a state of dysphoria from looking in the mirror and seeing the wrong body, they also would not sing about their junk.
00:50:41.000Dylan Mulvaney, fundamentally misunderstanding what transgenderism is, made a video singing, Because this is just, he's like, I'm me, and therefore— Well, for years I've been hearing, you know, not all trans people have dysphoria, and that's okay.
00:50:56.000Not all trans people take hormones, and that's okay.
00:50:59.000And then essentially, anybody can adopt the identity with zero consequences.
00:51:03.000Well, I mean, this is just modern wokeism and leftism.
00:51:05.000It's just like, definitions mean nothing.
00:51:15.000And it's the book Genderqueer, and you will probably not be surprised to learn that in the book, the woman who claims to be non-binary explains that she's an autoandrophile, meaning that her desire to be perceived as a male is rooted in her sexual arousal from being treated as a male.
00:52:00.000She would wear crusted, dried pads for days on end to the point where she smelled like feces and the school had to pull her aside and say, something is wrong here.
00:52:08.000And then she later goes on to explain how she is sexually aroused at the thought of being perceived as a man and that she pushes that onto other people.
00:52:15.000I think conservatives would do themselves a great service in understanding that.
00:53:23.000Obviously, I'd love to be sitting in a room with Elon and Joe Rogan, but at least I can say that follow-up, I think, would be very important because this was a core component of it.
00:54:22.000So back in, I think, 2018, I was looking at New York City's laws, and they identify 31 genders, but the law explicitly states infinite genders exist, because it defines gender expression as self-expression.
00:54:38.000And so they say that you can't discriminate in public accommodations based on the clothing a person wears, the name they go by.
00:54:44.000And if that's the case, what is the legal limit?
00:54:48.000So I asked a human rights lawyer, and they said, well, obviously there's a reasonableness expectation in the law.
00:54:54.000The assumption is with this law, if a person is transgender, they're discernibly male, but wearing a dress, you can't fire them.
00:55:00.000If they're discernibly male, but going by the name Susan, you can't fire them.
00:55:03.000And so I asked a couple of human rights lawyers, If somebody went to Starbucks and applied for a job, then showed up on day one in a fursuit, and they called themselves Vulciferon, Herald of the Winter Mists, would Starbucks be able to fire them for this?
00:55:20.000And they said, yes, of course, that's ridiculous.
00:55:23.000And I said, well, why can't they sue under that very same law that that is their gender expression?
00:55:30.000And what I was told was a judge would laugh them out of the courtroom.
00:55:35.000And then I said, what if the judge doesn't like trans people and laughs at the man in a dress?
00:55:42.000Well, and you know, the case that established a lot of this is that Harris Funeral Home case from just a few years ago, in which we're talking about a funeral home here.
00:55:50.000So the customers at funeral homes are very, very vulnerable.
00:55:54.000And there was this dude who decided that he wants to be a chick, and so he started wearing skirts to work.
00:56:01.000And the owner of the funeral home said, uh, hey man, I don't know what you're getting into, but, you know, you've got to have some respect for the mourners.
00:56:07.000Skirts are not appropriate for funerals.
00:56:10.000You know, this is about the people who are mourning.
00:56:13.000And he sued him, went all the way up to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court decided that that man's sexual fetish was more important than people's right to mourn in a respectable environment.
00:56:57.000The astounding thing, however, to me was, and this is honestly a big revelation for me in understanding law.
00:57:03.000A judge will laugh a person out of a courtroom.
00:57:06.000And then I said, then there will be many judges who are gonna see a man wearing a dress and laugh and say, get out of my courtroom, this is ridiculous.
00:57:44.000And notice when you say we've now got the abolition of uniforms.
00:57:49.000This is always the result of these kind of leftist policies that is specifically focused on trans right now, but all of these leftist policies is this constant leveling and lowering down and abolition of standards.
00:58:02.000So the answer that people give on the middle ground on the bathrooms is what you said earlier, which is, well, let's just all have unisex bathrooms and we'll just all have individual bathrooms.
00:58:24.000I don't want to sound like a commie or something.
00:58:26.000But this is being pushed not just by the leftist activists, it's being pushed by the entire liberal establishment and by corporate America and the whole power structure, which is just to take away all the ornamentation, all the differentiation, all the natural, lovely diversity of life, and make us all just a bunch of blobs to buy a bunch of hormones and purchase their product.
00:58:49.000That's what uniform is for, is to make all the same.
00:58:51.000So they're stripping away the communist sameness of everything to create a weird world to then reconfigure it so that everyone... Well, yeah.
00:58:59.000Instead of having different kinds of uniforms in different areas of life for men and women, now it's literally we will just be uniform, undifferentiated blobs plugged into our computers and living in the metaverse and eating bugs.
00:59:10.000I think that's absolutely where we're going.
00:59:14.000The deepfakery is getting so advanced so rapidly.
00:59:18.000Last time I was on Rogan, I said I didn't think it was that big of a deal, and I was so wrong and so naive.
00:59:24.000Because I was looking at the modern iterations of deepfakes and I was just like, I'm not worried about that.
00:59:28.000I didn't stop to consider the rapid degree of advancement.
00:59:32.000How long ago was that when you were on Rogan?
00:59:35.000Think about how fast AI has advanced so far in six months.
00:59:39.000A year and a half ago, there was like one program that had accomplished voice manipulation, and there were some goofy videos that were low-res, and I was just like, I'm not worried about this.
00:59:49.000And then, within a year and a half, it advanced to the point where I was on Instagram, and I saw a Rogan clip, and it's Joe advertising some, I think it was penis growth or something like that?
01:00:07.000It was, if you watched it, you were like, that's a deepfake.
01:00:11.000If you were just passing through, you might not have noticed, and that's when I was like, oh man.
01:00:15.000Now, we have that Eleven Labs website, Where you can take 30 seconds of anyone talking, drop it in, and you can make them say whatever you want.
01:00:22.000Now I'm like, imagine what it's going to be like in a year.
01:00:26.000There is going to be a deepfake of Donald Trump giving a speech that looks completely real.
01:00:31.000He will say something kind of bad, but not really that bad, but bad enough to lose votes.
01:00:35.000And no matter what anyone says, the left will believe it.
01:00:38.000I wonder if it'll get to the point where there'll be two presidents, according to everyone, and no one will know which one's the real one and which one's the fake one.
01:00:44.000That's a good point because yes, because someone will make a deep fake clip of CNN and put
01:02:25.000And an AI will figure out how to do that.
01:02:27.000But this is why they're so hell-bent on pushing that.
01:02:29.000Because they wanna create, my pitch, I actually pitched this, half pitched it to you guys with The Daily Wire, an idea for a show where I'll try and give the super simple version.
01:02:40.000It takes place in a world that's like, civilizations collapse, there's only one city left, and it's people, it's like the year 2130, technology is comparable to what it is now.
01:02:50.000A conflict emerges between very thin, tall, humanoid beings in white jumpsuits with chrome heads who can shoot lasers, humans fight.
01:02:59.000No one knows how civilization collapsed, but they assume these creatures must have wiped out the planet, some kind of aliens.
01:03:05.000And then in the final episode of the season or whatever, you know, there's a fight and then someone hits like a crane release which drops a boulder or a car onto one of these creatures and crushes it.
01:03:16.000Disabling its force fields, they pull the chrome helmet off, and it's a human.
01:03:20.000And the reveal is that society didn't collapse.
01:03:23.000It migrated underground into pods, where humans all networked themselves with neural links into a virtual world.
01:03:29.000And the reason why the last city was unaware of what happened to humanity is the news didn't stop.
01:03:34.000News was still being written, but it migrated.
01:03:37.000My example is, if someone came from the year 1900 to this time period, they'd immediately be like, get me a newspaper so I can learn about what's happening in the world!
01:03:45.000And then they would find that newspapers slowly started to disappear.
01:03:48.000If someone from the 1900s jumped 200 years in the future, and then just tried to take a look at history based on their understanding of how to look through history, they would be like, newspapers ceased to exist in the year 2075.
01:04:03.000So my idea for this show is there will be some humans who never migrate, and they will not have access to the metaverse historical archive.
01:04:15.000So to them, they'll just, like, their great-grandchildren will be like, we don't know exactly what happened, but some kind of collapse happened, and we have no access.
01:04:23.000We just find these old records, these old websites and stuff and servers.
01:04:26.000We try to boot up and figure out where they all went.
01:04:29.000The problem for those metaverse records, though, is that when everything is digital, you can just constantly change the records.
01:04:35.000This is the one of the prophecies of 1984.
01:04:39.000This show would be fantastic because the people who live in the metaverse would have a warped view of reality because there would be oligarchs who rewrite history.
01:04:46.000But then the people who live in the real world with the physical unalterable will like meet one of these people in the metaverse and be like, look at these archives that we've brought.
01:04:54.000And they'll be like, that's not history, and they'll pull up Wikipedia to show history, and it'll be last edited yesterday, and they'll be like, this book hasn't been re-edited in 300 years.
01:05:04.000This is all very scary, but I think what Mark Zuckerberg is trying to sell is like, what if you had Zoom meetings, but you were an octopus?
01:05:12.000And I'm just like, I don't know what to do with this information.
01:05:15.000Well, Ian mentioned earlier, like, you could identify as a carrot, you know?
01:05:30.000That gets back to the trans thing, like everything else today, which is that in the metaverse, did you see Mark Zuckerberg cut everyone off at the navel?
01:05:53.000I like how you brought up the word trans because of the transhumanism movement.
01:05:57.000Well, that's what it's all about, ultimately.
01:05:58.000And the word cis is from the mathematical term trans and cis.
01:06:05.000The billionaires are all super into the transhumanist stuff, and because they're evil, they don't want to die.
01:06:13.000And that's an incredibly dark impulse, and that's why they're kind of getting behind all the transgender stuff, because that's an incremental step.
01:06:23.000A lot of these guys are pretty intelligent, but sometimes intelligent people are just the dumbest people on earth.
01:06:27.000For all of human history, really rich, selfish, People have tried to figure out how to live forever, and we're living in such a stupid time that we're... This has been going on for all of history, and people now go online and they say,
01:06:42.000You know, we're really close to living forever.
01:06:44.000This time we've almost figured it out.
01:06:46.000Spoiler alert, they're not going to figure it out.
01:06:49.000You're just going to kill a bunch of people in the process of trying to find out.
01:06:52.000You're going to kill a bunch of people, you're going to cause all sorts of havoc, and it's that same lie from the Garden of Eden, which is the lie that ye shall be as gods.
01:07:00.000Yuval Harari refers to this as homo deus, that we're now going to take control over the future of humanity.
01:07:06.000And you think, okay, good luck, buddy.
01:07:08.000I mean, unfortunately it's going to cause lots of problems in the short term, but It ain't gonna work, man.
01:07:12.000I think we need to get the Daily Wire crew.
01:07:16.000We might have to force them to watch Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood.
01:07:46.000There's something like Matt Walsh said about like not watching anime and then there was like a backlash from people who were like, no, there's some good stories here.
01:07:51.000And Attack on Titan is about Ancestral crimes, and how certain races of people should be held criminally responsible for things their ancestors did thousands of years ago, so that's... They're interesting stories, I think.
01:08:03.000And what the Italians did to those poor Etruscans.
01:08:08.000Dude, the Etruscans, let's rock and roll.
01:08:10.000That's where the Romans took credit for all that stuff.
01:08:13.000The Etruscans actually are where it's at.
01:08:15.000I found, I was reading this substack of Popehead the other day, great substack, and I saw this quote from Seneca, the philosopher Seneca, and it was about the difference between the Romans and the Etruscans.
01:08:26.000And Seneca said, the difference between us Romans and those Etruscans is that the Romans look at clouds creating rain and they say, okay, natural forces came together and they put the clouds and then the rain came and then Here's some meaning that we could infer from that.
01:08:40.000But those Etruscans who attribute everything to the divine, they believe that the gods wanted to express meaning and so they pushed the clouds together and had the rainfall.
01:08:50.000And the thing is, the Etruscans were totally right.
01:08:53.000Have you ever moved clouds with your magnetic field?
01:09:14.000But Alex Jones actually mentioned that they did experiments and found there is some kind of energy around all of us moving through us that it's uncontrollable.
01:09:24.000Just because something hasn't been controlled doesn't mean it can't be.
01:09:26.000I was basically saying it does connect all of us in some way, but you can't control it.
01:09:33.000Just because something hasn't been controlled doesn't mean it can't be.
01:09:38.000Or I should say, you know what I hypothesize sometimes?
01:09:42.000That if there really is this connection to the greater or whatever, that people probably don't all have the exact same connection.
01:09:50.000And probably to varying degrees, some people... I wonder if the reason why you have woke NPC-type people, and some people who seem to be smarter, more perceptive, is simply because their, call it whatever you want, third eye or antenna, is more receptive to, you know, this kind of energy or whatever.
01:10:09.000That is to say, if you are closed off from the greater, from the spiritual, from whatever, prayer is meaningless to you.
01:10:19.000You're a moist robot, and that's all that there is.
01:10:22.000But if you're someone who has a greater connection to whatever you want to call it, the spiritual realm, or to God, or whatever, you're going to understand and know things, and you also can't give that feeling to a person who doesn't have that.
01:10:35.000Well, of course, because it's not about you.
01:10:36.000I mean, we used to just call this sanctity.
01:10:38.000And so I loved when you brought up earlier the simulation theory, because simulation theory is just the way that modern people talk about basic religious concepts in a world that doesn't accept religion.
01:10:48.000And so, you know, we talk about the magnets and the fields and whatever.
01:10:50.000But yeah, we're talking about holiness and we're talking about spiritual reality.
01:10:54.000And so, of course, it's the case that some people are More attuned.
01:11:00.000More attuned to this, but the thing is you can grow in holiness, and you can also turn away from the grace of God.
01:11:05.000And when you say, well, you can't give it to someone else, that's because it's about your relationship with God.
01:11:12.000It's not about your relationship with some other dude.
01:11:14.000I had a guy tell me a story that he became Christian because he was doing drugs, he was in the woods, and then he woke up in the morning strung out hungover, went to go take a leak, and then all of a sudden felt this booming voice from within his own chest say, what are you doing?
01:11:28.000And it freaked him out, and then said, you are wasting your life, you have to stop this, you have to change.
01:11:33.000And he didn't know what it was, so he went and sought answers, and then found, you know, holy men who explained to him what this was, what it meant.
01:11:41.000He got clean, started a business, and lived a fulfilling life with his friends and became very responsible.
01:11:47.000And he went from a strung-out drug addict, wasting away into a productive member of society after having this profound moment.
01:11:53.000And he said to me, I don't care if you don't believe me, it happened to me, and I can never give you that feeling, but I assure you I experienced it.
01:12:05.000People have those Road to Damascus moments.
01:12:08.000And I'm sure the secular atheist types might just say, well, he was on drugs, he was having a psychotic break or whatever, and I'll be like, call it whatever you want, explain it however you want.
01:12:15.000This person had an experience where they felt something that changed their life for the better.
01:12:20.000I think sometimes your frontal lobe clouds your spiritual part of the brain, maybe, because when it quiets, when you can go into flow state and dim the activity in your frontal lobe is when you really, time starts to lose meaning.
01:12:40.000Without that, you're kind of Part of it.
01:12:42.000Do you wonder, Ian, though, if you're confusing the physical for the metaphysical?
01:12:47.000Like, you're talking about this as if your brain is controlling everything, as if the physical world is controlling some aspect of your metaphysical understanding.
01:12:57.000But what if those two things are just occurring simultaneously, or what if it's going in the opposite direction?
01:13:03.000So now we say all the time, I had such an adrenaline rush.
01:14:17.000Yeah, I think I focus on the physical a lot because I feel like that's what I can control in the process, that like it's like a radio tuner.
01:14:24.000I can tune it to the right frequency, but I'm not making the music happen.
01:14:27.000So, I'm just so evidence-based, so I'm looking at like... But I think the magnetic field, it's like moving around the magnetic field, I believe you can, but it's like if you have a magnet in your hand and you're moving it underneath a piece of paper with all these iron fragments on top of the paper.
01:14:44.000The iron's moving, but are you moving the iron or are you moving the magnet?
01:14:49.000The iron filings are just moving along.
01:14:50.000I think you're still making the same epistemological error though, which is you're saying that you're evidence-based and so you want to ground everything physically.
01:14:57.000But the error here is the idea that reality is fundamentally physical, which it certainly is not.
01:15:02.000The fact that we have intelligible speech, the fact that symbols have meaning, that we can interpret, and that we rely on it all, tells you that reality is fundamentally metaphysical, and there's evidence for that.
01:15:12.000I think plasma is where it starts to change.
01:15:19.000And they have that song where, I don't know which song it is, A Certain Shade of Green or something like that, where in the middle of the song there's a recording of a guy who says, at the turn of the century, humans thought that what they could touch, smell, see, and hear was reality.
01:15:32.000But since the initial publication of the charged electromagnetic spectrum, humans have learned that what they can touch, smell, see, and hear is less than one millionth of reality.
01:15:44.000That's a good line, actually, from Incubus, which is a kind of a demon.
01:15:47.000Yeah, when you talk about it, it literally is a demon.
01:15:49.000When you talk about physics, what's physical, they used to think it was solid, liquid, and gas.
01:15:53.000And then all of a sudden, at some point, they realized, oh, plasma is a fourth state of physical matter.
01:15:57.000There's more physical stuff than we realized.
01:16:00.000And when you look at clouds of plasma moving around, I don't think they're intelligent, but there seems to be a sentience involved with the way that plasma, like, it doesn't move like a cloud in the air.
01:16:10.000You're a physical thing, and you are sentient also, but the sentience isn't from your... Your consciousness, your rationality, is not from your physical body.
01:16:21.000You're just a clump of cells in your physical body.
01:16:23.000Your reason comes from your rationality.
01:16:30.000It's not a simulation, it's a video game.
01:16:32.000And we are entities that exist beyond the physical bodies, but we are occupying them to facilitate this simulated experience.
01:16:40.000In plasma clouds, there's these things called plasmon in the center of plasma clouds, and when they're hit with photons, with light, it causes the plasma cloud to react.
01:16:50.000So it's like information is being transferred from light into plasma, which is then cooling down into gas, and then into liquid, and then into solid.
01:16:58.000But that doesn't have to be a conscious process.
01:17:01.000Physical things react to stimuli, right?
01:17:03.000It seems like a sentient process, not necessarily conscious.
01:17:06.000But like if I threw, let's say I threw an explosive like those people last night at Pitt, if I threw an explosive at that wall, the wall would react and there'd be a hole in the wall or a dent in the wall, but the wall's not conscious.
01:17:18.000I think consciousness is like living organisms seem to have consciousness.
01:17:22.000Not necessarily organisms, because then it would be carbon-based, but like living things have consciousness, but unliving things have sentience, it seems like.
01:17:30.000Like when they say God is, I don't think God is conscious, I think it's sentient.
01:17:38.000But if we're talking about sentience in the sense that one can feel sensations, you know, like an animal or even simpler organisms can react to certain stimuli, you know, they can feel pain, say.
01:18:10.000But we're talking about a different thing when we say God, because If there's a conscious God, he's looking for a personal relationship with us as individuals.
01:18:19.000And if there's a God who's not conscious, but he's sentient somehow... What I'm saying is, the questions Ian asks sound more like a, please make me understand.
01:18:41.000I mean, I remember when I was an atheist, I was sitting out having a cigar in my little front porch, and I had this tiny little house in New York, and I had this dead rosebush.
01:18:49.000It wasn't like a beautiful thing that I was looking at, but I was sitting there, and I was looking at the leaves, and the complexity of the leaves on this dying rosebush, and I thought, you know, There's got to be some logic here.
01:19:05.000There's got to be... Why is that so complex?
01:19:11.000And it wasn't the biggest push in my becoming a Christian and believing that God exists, but it was another piece of evidence, which is the evidence of meaning and intelligence is all around us.
01:19:25.000It's even in the stupid book, Genderqueer.
01:19:26.000That Fibonacci sequence, that golden ratio, keeps showing up in reality.
01:19:29.000Well yeah, because there's a structure to the universe, there's a logic and there's a math, and we're only some- like, you're like, wow, the golden ratio is everywhere, but in reality, it's just you noticing a tiny little piece of the logic of the universe that exists.
01:19:41.000Sometimes I wonder if I'm looking through the lens of the spiraling galaxy.
01:20:03.000So we'll dive into the subject matter just because it came up, and I think it's a good opportunity with having you here, because Seamus will be back next week.
01:20:27.000I want to make this point for those that haven't heard it.
01:20:30.000Um, because we briefly mentioned that simulation theory is the language used by, you know, how did you describe it?
01:20:35.000It's just the way modern people talk about religion, because they don't know how to talk about religion, so it just seems more relatable for people.
01:20:42.000When I was in Catholic school, and we were learning about science, And we were learning about energy.
01:20:48.000And I was told that, you know, 3L's energy cannot be created or destroyed.
01:20:54.000And I was like, it sounds very similar to how you describe God or the universe or things like that.
01:21:01.000It just sounds like you're talking about something similar.
01:21:03.000And they never really gave me a good philosophical understanding of any kind of similarities or what it could possibly mean.
01:21:09.000But as a kid who was nine years old, I certainly took that to heart and considered maybe what they mean is Like maybe back when they wrote this stuff, when the Bible was being written, when people, when holy men were studying and coming up with ideas, they were conveying their understanding of the universe without our modern sensibilities.
01:21:26.000So that brings us to simulation theory, where you get people who are seemingly atheists saying, I kid you not, a more advanced entity than us created this universe for a purpose with rules and expects something from us And then I'm like, I can't tell if you're a holy man or a simulist.
01:21:45.000Are you a tech bro from Silicon Valley, or are you someone trying to explain the rudimentary religion to me?
01:21:50.000The simulation language that people use now, if it persuades anyone, it's fine by me, but it's better even than the idea of energy.
01:22:01.000You recognized a similarity between something in the creative world.
01:22:05.000But the idea that God just is synonymous with the world or that God just is the world and there's a little God left over which is called panentheism, that is different from the Christian idea and the monotheism and the way things really are.
01:22:20.000The simulation theory is a better mapping of that because you have God who is entirely self-sufficient, who does not need us, who creates the world in this act of love out of nothing And makes us in his own image.
01:22:35.000That is, in the modern way we talk about it, just some geeky programmer who, like, makes us appear.
01:23:10.000We are the very stupid, bumbling around, and then we cannot comprehend what exists beyond our world.
01:23:17.000Do you believe, when you think about destiny and free will, do you think that we're just destined to play a part in this chemical reaction?
01:23:25.000I think the likely... I wouldn't say I'm as definitive as Michael, but I believe we're here for a reason.
01:23:33.000I believe the universe was created for a purpose.
01:23:35.000I believe that it's entirely possible the universe is actually only 5,000 years old.
01:23:39.000And that is, I'm not saying I believe that wholeheartedly, I'm saying it's possible, if you are someone who believes in simulation theory.
01:23:45.000The idea being, you've played Grand Theft Auto?
01:24:03.000Where a construction crew came in and constructed a skyscraper.
01:24:06.000It just always has been, and that universe was created specifically in the year 2013 or whatever, and it just came into existence.
01:24:14.000And so I find it fascinating that people who believe in simulation theory I can't understand the same argument from a religious perspective that the universe was created 5,000 years ago.
01:25:08.000You're saying that there are, you're saying that there are possibilities that can collapse down into actualities.
01:25:13.000That's the quantum, the physical, quantum physical perception of like the, I don't know, double, I don't want to misquote the double slit experiment, but things where like electrons work as, function as a cloud until you put a perception on them, then they collapse into their, where they're at.
01:25:24.000But you don't know where they're going to be at until you look.
01:25:27.000But now, but what you're suggesting is now, I'm always a little hesitant when people bring up quantum things because I just find You know, physics is very hard, and because all of the quantum language is so fantastical, people tend to turn them to their own ideological or theological purposes.
01:25:46.000So I'm a little cautious with it, but are you suggesting that scientists have discovered a way to violate Aristotle's law of non-contradiction?
01:25:54.000I'm not familiar with Aristotle's Law.
01:26:37.000No, I understand that from the perspective of rapidity, but I don't really understand, and we're speaking in language that is figurative, even when we talk about ones and zeros, I don't really understand what it means for these contradictory things to be simultaneous.
01:26:49.000Another simultaneous contradiction is like this.
01:27:03.000When you're looking through the glass, you can see all these little paths and trails that go all the way down in little shapes, like a maze.
01:27:09.000If you were to try and send in one drop of water at a time to navigate that maze, it gets blocked.
01:27:14.000You try another drop, it gets blocked.
01:27:16.000That's brute forcing to get to the bottom.
01:27:18.000Quantum computing would be pouring water straight in the top so it instantly gets you to the bottom and gives you that access.
01:27:24.000Here's an example of a contradiction, a simple contradiction.
01:27:27.000When you look at that number, what number do you see?
01:29:30.000If someone were to write a password onto a piece of paper and they wrote 666 And it was a square post-it note that with no sticky, it was like a square piece of paper.
01:31:07.000In order for it to be the symbol you describe it as, it must relate to the language, the abstract ideological structure the person ascribed it to.
01:31:16.000If a fish flops on the ground and draws this symbol, I'm not going to say that fish just wrote a number for me.
01:31:21.000I'm going to say the fish flopped on the ground kind of looks like a 6.
01:31:26.000You're establishing a lot of relative aspects to the position.
01:31:30.000Like, if someone walks into nature and that is just on the ground, it depends on what angle, if you come at it from one side it looks like a nine, if you come at it from the other it looks like a six.
01:31:38.000Well, what you're really getting at here is a distinction between the way, actually, that the left and the right view the world, which is as one of a world of interpretation or a world of activism and the imposition of will.
01:31:51.000So the idea of Law actually, the idea of whether that's a six or a nine.
01:31:58.000The conservatives would look at that and say, look, there is objective reality, there is an intelligibility to the universe, I have a faculty of reason, and so I can interpret and I can learn things from the world.
01:32:07.000Whereas the way that the modern left, the very relativistic, self-centered left, and very willful, wrathful left, would look at that and say, I don't give a damn what it's supposed to mean.
01:32:17.000I'm going to deny my faculties of reason.
01:32:20.000I'm going to pretend that men are actually women.
01:32:22.000I'm going to say that babies aren't really babies.
01:32:24.000And it's going to be whatever the hell I want.
01:32:27.000The right takes the approach, I think, that you and I described, Michael, where You'll see the symbol, and they'll say, how did the symbol come to be, and what meaning does it intend to convey?
01:32:58.000And so you, incredibly rational, brilliant, probably genius level IQ, was certain that was a 9 after a moment of examining the situation, using your rationality.
01:33:08.000That was one of the few times that I've been wrong.
01:33:42.000I think in the culture, this is actually a great conversation for people who are listening, I think it's important to understand the left's predominant view versus what we would describe as the right.
01:33:51.000The right includes post-liberals because the political factions are no longer about policy, it's now about understanding reality.
01:33:58.000And I grew up traditionally liberal, I think you did too, right Michael?
01:34:02.000Oh yeah, I'm from New York, I mean everybody was liberal.
01:34:04.000Now you're a theistic Christian conservative?
01:34:07.000Yeah, I don't know what I am, some kind of ism, you know.
01:34:10.000But I mean, I grew up, I was always kind of a young Republican type, you know, I had a little liberal phase.
01:34:15.000But to your point, Tim, even being a young Republican conservative type pretty much meant we were all liberals for much of the last 30 years.
01:34:25.000So I like this analogy, this way to break down the The way people see the world.
01:34:34.000And when I see this symbol, I look for the evidence.
01:34:36.000The way you drew this Ian on this paper with the paper's margin on top is how you would typically make a six.
01:35:12.000Well, if that's offending their ego because they determined it to be a 9, they'll say, you are wrong, and they'll make a similar argument to you, which is called sophistry.
01:35:20.000An attempt to make a fallacious argument to prove them right for the sake of their dominance over you because they believe there is no truth but power.
01:36:18.000And conservatives are more inclined to have debates, and debates are about pursuing logic to come to the truth.
01:36:23.000And the libs were outside throwing explosives.
01:36:26.000And actually, this gets back down to the Bible.
01:36:28.000You know, there's an important moment in the Bible when Christ goes in and he's hanging out with these two ladies, Mary and Martha.
01:36:35.000And one of the sisters is sitting, contemplating what Christ is saying.
01:36:40.000And the other sister is serving the lunch and is busy and doing all these things.
01:36:44.000And what Christ says is, The contemplative life is the better portion.
01:36:49.000Not to say that we shouldn't feed ourselves and, you know, we're living in time and space, we have to do certain things to maintain our bodies, but that contemplation, interpretation, is actually better than the act of life.
01:37:01.000And we obviously need both of these things, but we need, if we're going to use our will, it has to be in accord with intellect, otherwise we're just going to start throwing explosives at the wall.
01:37:10.000You can look at the way I wrote those letters to determine what numbers they are.
01:38:10.000The point is, Ian, the right tends to have a view of, there is meaning, let me figure out what it is.
01:38:17.000And if it turns out the symbol never had the ascribed meaning, then it's not a six or a nine, it was a shape.
01:38:22.000I just want to make sure people don't Live their life based on what they thought that symbol was and just go all the way without considering that they might be wrong.
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01:39:22.000I'm not your buddy guy says, how can we not worry about the people who think humans are a blight on the earth are also the ones designing AI?
01:39:33.000Yeah, it's shocking to me that they're not open sourcing that thing right now.
01:39:37.000Well, we mentioned this before the show, Hank Green did a poll and he said, which universe is a better one with humans without and 42% said without humans.
01:40:07.000And so then the bot decided that the better way to destroy humanity was to manipulate human beings, and specifically to manipulate human emotions, and specifically to do it by being a reply guy in social media platforms.
01:42:23.000Yeah, no, I mean, it's not going to be a straight shot toward ending abortion, but just overturning Roe v. Wade will save hundreds of thousands of babies a year.
01:45:45.000Question for Michael, have you heard of Frank Turek?
01:45:48.000I think you and him can have an interesting conversation.
01:45:50.000He is from a channel called Cross-Examine and may maybe bring hope and understanding to faith in Jesus.
01:45:57.000Oh, I like, the name sounds vaguely familiar, but I'm not really familiar with his work, so I gotta, I gotta check him out.
01:46:03.000Oh snap, it's Dave says, hey Tim, I know long way from this, but look into Baldwinsville, New York, a left of center town, very pro-small business.
01:46:11.000We have an old pizza hut for sale, perfect for coffee shop outside my BJJ gym.
01:46:17.000In Frederick, there's a pizza hut for sale, and I really want to go into business with Jack Posobiec and launch Papa Jack's Pizza Shack.
01:46:27.000And bring back that old school pizza hut.
01:46:56.000Gabby Hayes says, Tim, I know you can't show the memes right now from Chris Tyson's old posts, but you should on tonight's Uncensored show for a few minutes.
01:47:08.000So he's the Mr. Beast guy who decided he was a woman.
01:47:11.000He's got a bunch of old spicy memes that I can't say on YouTube.
01:47:16.000I know he posted about- And I'll tell you this, no one here even wanted to read what he posted on the Uncensored show because nobody wants those words coming out of their mouths.
01:47:25.000It's kind of like when Obama read his autobiography, he's like, sometimes we ate dog and we did a lot of cocaine.
01:47:29.000But I imagine Chris Dyson's is way worse.
01:48:13.000Because of the Moon says, hello Mr. Knowles, would America and the world be objectively better if its government was a Christian Catholic theocracy?
01:48:21.000Well, every government is a kind of a theocracy in the sense that all human conflict is ultimately theological, and the law just expresses and enforces an understanding of justice, so there is no such thing as a total separation of Religious thinking and state.
01:48:43.000So what you're asking me is, should we live under a state animated by Christianity, which has animated our whole civilization for as long as we've been a thriving one, or should we have a state animated by, I don't know, leftism, nihilism, sadism, and I think if I got those options, Christianity sounds pretty good.
01:49:00.000I'd like to answer this, um, the statement objectively better is not objective.
01:49:07.000Different people like different things.
01:49:08.000If you're talking about from our perspective on what good things are, I'll put it this way, clearly the left doesn't, it would not be better for leftists who like destroy things and don't want you to have civil rights.
01:49:19.000Well, they wouldn't think it was better for them, but it certainly would be better, right?
01:49:22.000If they lived in a country where they were encouraged to just be normal and have a good life instead of just chopping themselves up and burning things.
01:50:03.000My point is simply, if everyone shares a cohesive culture and agrees upon what the rules are, you would not need government, you would not need police.
01:50:09.000People would have a shared faith and moral system where they would work with each other.
01:50:17.000Like, you wouldn't need nearly the police presence or government imposition.
01:50:21.000You'd still need people to kind of, you know, but it would be, you're right, it would be much more cohesive and it would just be in accordance with Truth, you know?
01:50:28.000I mean, I'm not saying that I've got perfect knowledge of every aspect of society and human life, but I can know it is better to... I actually brought this example up on this show before.
01:50:39.000I can at least know it's better to bake a pie for a widow than to kick a baby, right?
01:50:42.000And so, if we had a society that enshrined that in the law, yeah, it'd be a better society.
01:50:47.000I think centering society around God would be a good move, but I have seen people use that for their power and benefit throughout history.
01:50:54.000And that's the government component, not the God component.
01:50:58.000So, you know, it's true that culture affects the law, but the law will also inform the culture.
01:51:04.000And even, you know, once laws are passed, they can be in the news and we can all be arguing over, oh, Roe v. Wade got overturned or whatever.
01:51:12.000But then people don't think consciously about the law.
01:52:19.000So my issue with it is, I guess that's what I was trying to explain, you know, that we can't necessarily comprehend creation of matter.
01:52:31.000We are within the confines of the system, so we don't know what exists beyond it.
01:52:36.000And if we are to relate it to anything in our world, looking at, say, computer programs...
01:52:41.000Mario has no intelligence compared to a human, we have no intelligence compared to God.
01:52:46.000Also, if you're saying you believe in God, but you also think that this created world has just always been here, which I understand is a contradiction, are you saying that the universe is older than God?
01:53:02.000Sorry, I don't think it's a contradiction.
01:53:04.000Well, to say the created world has always been here means it wasn't created.
01:53:08.000No, I would argue that time is a component of this universe created by God and that there perhaps is something well beyond it that we can't conceive of.
01:53:19.000Sure, obviously if the universe is finite and space-time are part of the created world.
01:53:25.000Then obviously there's something outside of that.
01:53:27.000I'm just saying, you can't say it's both created and not created.
01:53:32.000Imagine, however you want, God or an entity or whatever, and there is, creating the universe however you imagine what that is, time is a component of this reality that we don't necessarily perceive.
01:53:43.000We move through in one direction as though we're falling.
01:53:46.000So if you imagine time as a dimension, it would be like we are just free-falling.
01:53:50.000We can't go back in the other direction, but the direction does exist.
01:53:54.000And if it's possible that time is actually cyclical, that time is not moving from point A to point B, in fact it goes in a big circle and loops back around, then It would be perceived to us as always having been, because time is infinite.
01:54:14.000Yeah, that's something more akin to what the Hindus or the Buddhists would believe.
01:54:17.000But God could still have created it, because time is... Yeah, but not the Christian.
01:54:26.000God is outside of time and space, though he, through the Incarnation, takes part in time and space.
01:54:31.000But I'm just saying that the notion, the Christian notion, is that history has a beginning, and history has an end, and history has this pivotal point, which is the Incarnation and the crucifixion and the resurrection.
01:54:43.000But the idea that there is such a thing as history at all, and that we're moving.
01:54:50.000If we're talking about the universe and all that it's matter is in a time loop, but there is a point that is a beginning and end of history, I think can exist as well.
01:55:44.000I was thinking a couple days ago, I think of God as like the movement of matter, the formation and creation and just animation of all things is God.
01:56:10.000No, a human being programmed that video game.
01:56:12.000I don't, there is no, I don't think this isn't a video game.
01:56:14.000This has just always been here, this thing.
01:56:16.000It's just, we're just part of this emotion.
01:56:17.000The thing you're describing then is not, uh, God, that the being that you're describing is not God, you're just describing a kind of a nature worship, you're describing a kind of a paganism, which a lot of the New Age movements partake of, but you're saying that God is just kind of synonymous with nature or with different parts of nature, but that's a very different idea.
01:56:37.000They said God is the way, the truth, and the light, and I thought truth is the way you communicate, The life is the way that you grow.
01:56:47.000I mean, it's all just part of the way things move.
01:56:50.000Let's read some more Super Chats, because otherwise we're just talking in circles.
01:56:53.000Noah Sanders says, My dad and I have been making seltzers with fresh fruit and other ingredients.
01:56:57.000Is there any advice y'all could give for starting up our own company to combat these ones that despise us?
01:58:32.000You want to know something really crazy to me that I've absolutely retained since I was a kid?
01:58:36.000Like the Bible prohibition on tattoos and piercings.
01:58:40.000When I when I learned that when I was a kid, I don't consider myself to be deeply religious, but I really just have an aversion to body modification.
01:58:54.000I kind of just feel like it's like, Your body man.
01:58:59.000It's it's it's what was it's a beautiful snowflake.
01:59:02.000It's like an anti-pagan thing It's not I mean, it's it's not an aspect of the unchanging moral law in the sense that it's it's more ceremonial and related to the nation of Israel, but I So I'll eat shellfish and I'll eat pork, but I yeah, I'm not into tattoos or body modification.
01:59:17.000It doesn't do it for me I kinda just look at it like, uh, when- when, uh, raindrop is crystallizing and becomes a unique structure, humans are the same way, the energy comes together and forms something that is deeply unique, and then humans don't feel unique enough, and then wanna get tattoos and stuff, and that- and I don't care if other people do it, I'm not gonna- I'm not judging them, I'm just saying for me, I'm kinda like...
01:59:37.000I don't want to, you know... If a marine gets a tattoo, or some kind of sailor gets a tattoo, or a convict or something, that seems right.
01:59:44.000I don't know, there seems something fitting about that.
01:59:45.000But what drives me crazy, when pretty girls get the tattoos... I'm not saying they can never look good, I'm not saying I'm totally... But I think these pretty... Why?
01:59:54.000I have a controversial take, and it's that no attractive woman looks more attractive after getting a tattoo.
01:59:59.000She'll still be attractive but right spite of her tattoo.
02:00:03.000Yes. Yeah, I'd never it's at the very best neutral Which is rare and right but it never yeah, let's uh, let's
02:00:29.000You know, it's the thing where jokes can start off kind of funny, and then they get really lame, and then they just get like very, very funny again.
02:00:36.000Every time the joke is told, Michael Knoll's bank account goes up.
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02:02:52.000It is the number one board game on the internet, at least I'm saying that, and you can get it, you can watch the episodes on my show, you can play it yourself, and hey, who knows, maybe we'll play it over here.
02:03:02.000In the Uncensored show, we'll bring it up.
02:03:04.000I want to show you those memes that everyone wants you to see and have you react to, so we'll do that.