On this episode of the podcast, we discuss the latest in the world of censorship, big tech censorship, and a conversation with Andrew Torba, CEO of Gab and founder of Free Speech on the Internet. We also discuss the recent Supreme Court ruling against Joe Biden and his call for the upcoming election to be illegitimate.
00:00:16.000Sometimes they're not really getting arrested, they're detained.
00:00:18.000But my understanding is that they're trying to claim trespassing, as we've seen with many of these other instances.
00:00:23.000Meanwhile, over in the UK, they have completely done away with all of their COVID restrictions.
00:00:29.000At least it's my understanding the BBC says masks are out, people can now start coming back to work, and their vaccine passports, gone.
00:00:36.000It's interesting that the US is not following suit.
00:00:39.000After the Supreme Court ruling saying Biden didn't have the authority to mandate any of this vaccine stuff, Carhartt says We're gonna do it anyway!
00:00:46.000Or at least that's what's being reported.
00:00:47.000And Starbucks says, nah, we're not gonna do that.
00:00:50.000I jokingly referred to that as my pressure campaign against Starbucks working because I said I was gonna hire the people from the local Starbucks to basically protest the mandates and then all of a sudden it happened.
00:01:02.000We got Joe Biden, who's under fire for saying that the upcoming election will be illegitimate because the Democrats weren't able to force through their voter overhaul bill.
00:01:10.000And we're going to be talking about censorship, big tech, and following up on a conversation about Getter with none other than the CEO of Gab and founder, Andrew Torba.
00:01:47.000But I guess Gab is the one place where your only rule is, what, the First Amendment?
00:01:51.000Yeah, I actually brought a copy of our Terms of Service right here.
00:01:59.000Congress shall make no law representing an establishment of a religion or prohibiting the free exercise of or abridgment of the freedom of speech.
00:02:10.000Well, there's a lot we got to break down in that one.
00:02:13.000And there's a lot of history about what has happened to Gab with institutions and censorship and all the stuff that you guys have been targeted with.
00:03:21.000We've been working together in parallel systems, so this is really cool.
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00:03:26.000I'm really excited to have Andrew the night after we had the gentleman from Getter, so I'm stoked to hear what cool free speech we're going to talk about tonight.
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00:03:41.000We're going to have a special segment at 11 p.m.
00:03:44.000You're not going to want to miss it, because that's where we talk about—we call it the Uncensored Podcast Show.
00:05:23.000But, you know, the video that we saw today just shows you the absurdity.
00:05:28.000I mean, we don't even see this kind of larger push for the vaccine like we did before because a lot of people are realizing a lot of bigger truths here.
00:05:36.000And it wasn't just the United Kingdom was also the Czech ... Republic that announced that Vax mandates are totally gone in ... their country because the president called them nonsense ... from the start those are his own words so we're seeing a big ... unraveling which we've been talking about for weeks on this ... program I've been saying hey a lot of things are going to ... change very dramatically in 2022 and this is it and it's ... happening in front of our eyes.
00:05:59.000And this to me is the last drop that this kind of establishment has to squeeze everything they can out of this tragedy that unfolded on the world.
00:06:08.000Yeah, I think what we're seeing is a representation of the two different realities that we both live in right now.
00:06:15.000We have two different sides of reality for, you know, large swaths of the population, including countries.
00:06:22.000And of course, we're seeing it here in the United States with states, right?
00:06:24.000So we see people by hundreds of thousands that are fleeing these blue states, places like New York, Going to Florida, going to Texas, going to places where they have freedom and they aren't being told that they can't enter a store, they're going to have a child arrested.
00:06:38.000So this type of stuff is actually going to drive more and more people to the places where they will get freedom and it's going to accelerate the balkanization that I think we're seeing in the United States right now.
00:06:45.000And there are people who don't mind living in these places.
00:06:49.000They walk up to their 7-Eleven parking lot, and the nice man comes and gives them their shot, and gives them their card, and they're happy with it.
00:06:56.000And there are celebrities who advocate for that.
00:06:58.000My position is, and always has been, you need sound advice from a trusted medical professional.
00:07:02.000Hey, that's what YouTube says you're supposed to say.
00:07:04.000Yet for some reason, there are high-profile celebrities who advocate for you to not do that, but to just go into a 7-Eleven parking lot, which is the craziest thing to me.
00:07:35.000I think, you know, when you have a country where people live in these two different spheres, these two different realities, what do we share in common anymore?
00:07:55.000People on the right all the time are like, you know, Tim Pool's a liberal or he's a centrist or center-left, and I'm like, I don't think those words matter anymore.
00:08:06.000You can have a bunch of views on religion that I don't have, but we both look at the news, we both break things down and say, hey, this thing is true and this thing isn't.
00:08:15.000We both are more likely to believe in aspects of freedom that the left will completely ignore or disregard, even if we have some disagreements.
00:08:22.000The left believes... I quote-unquote the left, you know, the establishment left.
00:08:26.000They believe outright falsehoods, and they like almost... it's almost like they want to.
00:08:34.000All of these things that should stop and give you pause and be like, maybe that's not correct.
00:08:38.000So we have a ton of people on this show.
00:08:40.000Just so happens that it is more so the colloquial right.
00:08:44.000And it's not that we're politically right-wing on this show, certainly we all have varying opinions, but it's because we all agree on what's true.
00:08:51.000So I don't know what left and right even means at this point, but if there are two groups of people that completely view the world in two different ways, they're not going to work together.
00:08:59.000I feel like it's more nuanced than, do you believe in reality or not?
00:09:03.000More that it's more the question is, how do you perceive reality?
00:09:07.000And it's different for every individual, although it seems like it's 50-50-ish.
00:09:11.000Like most people kind of see reality in a certain way, similarly in another group.
00:09:15.000I don't even think it's that simple that it's two groups.
00:09:17.000I think it's so many different groups of people.
00:09:19.000I see what you're saying, but what I mean specifically is, Russiagate was fake.
00:09:24.000Donald Trump did not collude with Russia.
00:09:25.000That was a false narrative from the press.
00:10:17.000And in the reality that exists is the truth.
00:10:20.000And in that reality, if you separate the Democrat versus Republican stuff, and you just talk about, you know, basic facts of life, most people, whether you're Democrat or Republican, you want to provide for your family, you want to protect your family, you want to live in a safe society where you can go to the store without having your child arrested.
00:10:37.000I think Democrat or Republican, I think we can agree on that type of stuff.
00:10:53.000Because ultimately, when you break down what, you know, Democrats and Republicans as human beings, it's human beings versus these technocratic tyrants, right?
00:11:00.000That is the ultimate, you know, dichotomy here of what's going on.
00:11:05.000Absolutely Either you believe in freedom or the subjugation of the free human spirit and there are still some people holding out But I would say by and large I think a lot of people are realizing that they were scammed that they were lied to that they were not being told the truth These this video that we just saw happened in New York City the state we should we should play it to be honest Discrimination based on people's own personal medical advice is absolutely deplorable.
00:11:31.000audio but but this is video of of activists doing the ...
00:11:35.000sit-ins that we literally saw decades ago when of course ...
00:11:38.000segregation was legal here in the United States ...
00:11:41.000discrimination based on people's own personal ...
00:11:45.000medical advice is absolutely deplorable it's a disgusting ...
00:11:49.000policy that the NYPD is willingly carrying out on ...
00:11:52.000behets of the state and there's also reports that the ...
00:11:55.000mother of this child also had CPS called on her so it ...
00:11:58.000does seem like the state is trying to punish all these ...
00:12:02.000individuals all these activists standing up for their ...
00:12:05.000personal Liberty for their individual right to be able ...
00:12:09.000to participate in society without needing to get ...
00:12:12.000government permission a domestic passport system is ...
00:12:15.000absolutely insane and these people are trying to ...
00:12:18.000I think the the big domino which is the United Kingdom has fallen more dominoes will fall from here and when you look at the numbers especially when it comes to cases the UK when it comes to cases it looks like it's about one week ahead of the United States so and and right now in the UK the cases are dramatically going down and a lot of people expect the cases to go down in the United States because And when that happens, this whole game is going to be unraveled to the American public.
00:12:43.000How mad do you think people are going to be when they were like, they said wear masks, they said get vaxxed, they said get two shots, get three shots, they still locked us down, and then after we did everything they asked, they just release all the lockdowns and everyone who disobeyed gets to freely participate?
00:13:03.000Think about the awakening of that though.
00:13:05.000If you're someone who got, you know, the fourth booster and wore the mask every day and stayed home at lockdown and all that stuff, and all of a sudden this all ends, what does that do to your psyche, right?
00:13:23.000It's like an evolutionary necessity that people are exposed to the reality.
00:13:27.000And it happened to me in 2005 because I was on the Internet making videos and people were like, hey, did you know about the Federal Reserve?
00:13:33.000Did you know about the military industrial complex?
00:14:22.000I don't care if it's wear a fuzzy hat or get a vaccine.
00:14:25.000The point is, the people who obeyed the government ultimately end up realizing they shouldn't have.
00:14:30.000That they should have done what was right for them.
00:14:32.000And if that means going to a doctor, and you know, we've had a lot of people on the show who have been vaccinated.
00:14:36.000They're older, and their doctors advised it.
00:14:39.000There's a lot of people who probably don't care about this, and that's the other important thing.
00:14:42.000You're going to see a lot of people on the left being like, oh, they're so worked up.
00:14:45.000No, no, I recognize that a good portion of people probably went to their doctor, got a vaccine, said have a nice day, and never thought twice.
00:14:50.000But there are a lot of people who are just doing whatever they're told by the state.
00:14:55.000When they realize... I'll give you an example.
00:14:59.000There's that guy in a store stalking a woman, screaming, is anyone else mad that we all have to wear masks and she isn't wearing one?
00:15:08.000Those people are going to lose it when they're like, no!
00:15:11.000but I did what I was told. Yeah, they need, um, they're gonna need like a safe place to,
00:15:16.000to regain sanity. So there'll be, it's an opportunity to make fun of people and be like,
00:15:20.000you stupid idiot. Look how you fell for that. You more and just make people so angry and hateful.
00:15:26.000But ultimately I think if we can be forgiving and kind.
00:15:30.000I was just going to say, it's an opportunity for empathy, because if we show them empathy, then they will be more open to our ideas and saying, listen, listen next time.
00:15:39.000You know, you call this conspiracy theorists.
00:15:41.000You called us, you know, extremists and all this stuff and anti-science and all this stuff.
00:15:47.000Well, maybe next time they'll listen to us.
00:15:48.000If we show them a little bit of empathy this time, I think that that has a powerful effect.
00:15:51.000I think a lot of people are going to go crazy.
00:15:53.000I think those feelings are going to be exacerbated as specifically when it comes to individuals who are Still locked down.
00:16:00.000I used that word specifically because I know exactly what I'm doing here.
00:16:05.000I posted a meme on my Instagram page showing a confused, blonde-haired, bare-chested Australian on barbed wire looking confused and it says, Australians watching the UK remove all mask mandates.
00:16:17.000And there's going to be a feeling in Australia, in the Netherlands, being like, why are we still doing this when the rest of the world didn't do this?
00:16:25.000And I truly do believe what Florida did during this entire saga was absolutely crucial when it came to defeating the mandates and lockdowns here in the United States.
00:16:35.000If it wasn't for Florida, if it wasn't for Governor DeSantis, Texas followed him.
00:16:39.000Other states followed his lead, specifically saying, we're not even going to implement this here in the first place.
00:16:45.000And because of that, This is why I think it wasn't, you know, set into play all throughout the United States because of him standing up and saying no.
00:18:00.000Yeah, I don't think there's any actual principle, for the most part, behind what Carhartt is doing, and behind what people, the establishment left and pro-mandate people believe.
00:18:56.000It's like, you know, I love my Carhartt stuff, and it really breaks my heart that they're doing this, but at the same time, it's almost like, where are the options, right?
00:19:05.000Where's the non-wool company out there?
00:19:07.000And it's almost like everywhere you turn, it's every single corporation.
00:19:12.000Strangely, Starbucks, check this out, from People, drops COVID vaccine and testing requirements for employees after a Supreme Court ruling.
00:19:20.000So I live in West Virginia, not too far away from where we do this production, and I went to a coffee shop with my girlfriend.
00:19:26.000We wanted to go shop local, and so we went to this local shop with a big sign on the door saying you had to wear a mask.
00:19:32.000And I look behind me, and it's like 100 feet away.
00:19:41.000I would rather give money to the small business, but not if you're in West Virginia, of all places, supposed to have all this freedom, and you, as a private business, want me to do that?
00:21:00.000That is the best way to vote and that is what gets the most action from these companies is when they see their profits go up after making a move like this, they're going to pay attention to that.
00:21:09.000If Starbucks ends up making a bunch of money, retaining employees, and is Starbucks publicly traded?
00:21:17.000If their stock value goes up, it's not just the company, it's the shareholders, and they're going to be like, tell Starbucks to do more like this.
00:21:23.000We're making money, it's improving, my portfolio is doing better, and then Starbucks is going to be like, hey, the customers have spoken.
00:21:30.000That's why you reward companies when they do right, you punish them when they do bad.
00:21:33.000And if the people that have stock in Starbucks have a lot of stock in Starbucks, and they're like, hey, we like that this company is making us money, now we want all our other investments to start doing what they're doing.
00:21:50.000But the people working at Carhartt now have to make a very tough decision, especially if they can't get this procedure, especially if they have some complications, or if they just personally have religious values or belief systems that complicates this.
00:22:02.000They have to choose their livelihood over complying with the whims of a corporation that's not even liable for a product that they're forcing them to take.
00:22:10.000That's disgusting or well-earned behavior that should never be tolerated, and they are facing a lot of backlash, they are facing a lot of boycott, and good!
00:22:19.000I think maybe they were trying to double down on their yuppie hipsters because it is blue blue-collar people who do wear Their clothes, but it's also a lot of urban hipsters as well.
00:22:29.000Maybe they were just trying to appease there They're kind of trying to reshift their brand just to be cool.
00:22:37.000Yeah, that's the point Starbucks doing this is them Deciding to make a public announcement that they had to.
00:22:45.000If they didn't want to have the mandate, they could have dropped it and said, okay, we're not gonna, you know, they're dropping it, they're making that statement.
00:22:52.000Carhartt or Starbucks, it could have said nothing.
00:22:55.000They could have just been like, we'll just do nothing and change nothing.
00:23:25.000And, you know, I think this is a perfect example of the parallel societies that we're seeing, right?
00:23:30.000They're seeing two different societies here and two different sides of the narrative and two different shifts in what companies are going to do.
00:23:38.000They're going to have to start making choices like this every day.
00:23:40.000And it's going to impact their bottom line.
00:23:42.000And people need to, again, vote with their dollars.
00:25:19.000They're going to keep dragging this on and milking this cow for as long as they can for the purpose of demonizing 80 million people in this country.
00:25:29.000You know, when we did a poll of our show and people who watches, it was mostly like moderate libertarian leaning individuals.
00:25:36.000They weren't far right or left or anything, just regular kind of people.
00:25:39.000And then you have a, it leans a little bit more right in some areas than it would left, but we actually had people who self-identified as socialist and far left to watch the show.
00:26:43.000You take away everything from them until they comply.
00:26:46.000That was one of the response by the little girls who was speaking in French Canadian.
00:26:49.000It seems like there has been a de-escalation away from authority in society but then a re-kind of brainwashing of children is happening now that I haven't seen a lot of but that video was crazy.
00:27:00.000Their biggest fear is us waking up and stop the bickering between Democrat and Republican left and right and uniting together against the regime.
00:27:17.000All of this nonsense to keep us distracted and divided and focused on batting heads with one another instead of uniting and batting head against the dragon, right?
00:27:27.000What do you think would have happened if in 2015, or like as we're getting into the 2016 cycle, Bernie and Trump teamed up?
00:27:36.000Because the insurgent populist left, which very much does not get along with the insurgent populist right, but both despise the establishment, the regime, the cathedral, it would have been it.
00:27:48.000That would have been a political revolution in this country, but they effectively made sure that, you know, Bernie he caved.
00:27:55.000He gave right into the machine and he changed his positions.
00:27:58.000Bernie said open borders is a bad thing.
00:28:02.000Four, three, four years later, he's like, it's a good thing.
00:28:04.000If Bernie stuck to his positions and actually worked with the right and the right was willing to work with him, the establishment would have been wiped out.
00:28:11.000But they're holding on by a thread with this Biden guy who can't think straight.
00:29:49.000of elections is okay to say. It's demoralizing to say that stuff though for the president to be like
00:29:55.000this election's not going to be any good upcoming people won't vote if you say that dude so don't
00:29:59.000say that. I agree and uh I as well as many others have been critical of Trump and many Trump
00:30:04.000supporters for telling people that there's effectively you know by pushing the fraud
00:30:09.000narrative it tells people not to bother.
00:30:12.000And then you see what happens in Georgia when the Democrats end up winning two seats they should not have won.
00:30:17.000But there were people outside who were saying, there's no point, why bother?
00:30:19.000And it's like, you need to go vote, man.
00:30:22.000More importantly, you need to vote in the primaries, you got to vote in all your local elections, and then you got to make sure the establishment uniparty types are removed and this is our opportunity.
00:30:31.000I have a feeling come, you know, next December, I'm going to be very, very disappointed.
00:30:36.000But, you know, for the time being, I'm going to be like, guys, primary everyone.
00:30:40.000Democrat, Republican, primary them all.
00:30:42.000And if you don't like any of that, vote Mises Caucus.
00:30:53.000So they know the numbers, they have this internal data.
00:30:55.000So they're trying to see this narrative now.
00:30:57.000And they're gonna be talking about this and pushing it for the next year so that when it happens, they can pull their whole Russiagate nonsense again.
00:31:05.000And they might point a gap, by the way, because we have almost 100 candidates in the 2022 race on our site that are organizing, raising money, building communities, etc.
00:31:14.000And I think we're going to be an underdog for this race, and we make it blamed for the red wave that is coming.
00:31:20.000I have never said Donald Trump won the 2022 election.
00:31:24.000I have said in 2020, like in May and October, people are bringing this up, that Trump was right about certain issues pertaining to fraud, but that was before an election took place and there was like CNN reporting on fraud and stuff, but not widespread fraud.
00:31:37.000I have no problem arguing with people like Steve Bannon, having those debates, and now we're at a point where the Democrats Pulling a complete 180 and doing everything they complained Republicans were doing.
00:31:49.000And that's why I'm just like, you can't gaslight me.
00:31:56.000But then when you come out and try and make, and you think I'm stupid enough to believe that after a year or longer of you saying all of these things about Trump, then you start saying them, sorry, it literally can't work.
00:32:08.000You must believe these people are dumb as a box of rocks.
00:32:11.000Unfortunately, some people are very dumb, but the narrative is not going to work anymore.
00:32:16.000This is also going to be a red pill moment for a lot of people.
00:32:19.000They're going to be like, wait a minute.
00:32:20.000Aren't the Democrats the ones claiming Trump was lying about fraud, and then Trump claimed he won, and now they're already starting to push that same exact narrative?
00:33:38.000And be careful, watch out, she's gonna take everything from you, including all your money, leave you indebted forever.
00:33:46.000She still represents a great idea that should be protected at all costs, but to go on this kind of area when it comes to cryptocurrencies, I think this is why countries like Venezuela and Russia have been talking about developing their own cryptocurrencies.
00:33:59.000The US Federal Reserve is also hinting that they may just create FedCoin But just like anything, it's a technology, just like the internet.
00:34:06.000It could be used for good, it could be used for bad, and you guys were helped by it.
00:34:10.000Julian Assange was helped by it when he was debanked.
00:34:14.000Major banking institutions, Visa, MasterCard attacked Julian Assange and Wikileaks because the CIA ordered them to do so.
00:34:22.000They took down all of his accounts and he was only able to raise money with Bitcoin, which made him a multi-millionaire.
00:34:28.000So, you know, everything has a karmic way of working out in the world and I think whether it's a psyop or not a psyop, cryptocurrency does represent a possibility of freeing people just like the internet did.
00:34:40.000We just have to hope it doesn't get corrupted.
00:34:42.000It is like the monetary version of a free speech network.
00:35:10.000I'm not even joking with a bee and he was a bum he was eating my macaroni and cheese like microwavable and and And then he shuts out to you, I have, I'm still shocked.
00:35:22.000People know exactly what I'm talking about.
00:35:24.000The dude was like, he, I was just like, dude, you know, I let, back in the day, you know, if someone needed to stay somewhere, I was like, yeah, I stay at my place.
00:35:33.000This dude was overstaying his welcome like a mother.
00:35:35.000He was, I was like, dude, you know, maybe you could go stay at someone else's house.
00:35:48.000You know, they say Bitcoin is decentralized, but if you're at the top of it, looking down at the blockchain, you're basically looking at a centralized system of nodes.
00:36:35.000And when I see the establishment, you know, both the left and the right coming out and attacking it, that's when I know that it is the real deal.
00:36:42.000You know, it is absolutely decentralized and it is absolutely the only one that is decentralized.
00:37:03.000And now they're doing financially, you know, better than they were before.
00:37:06.000They're allowing people to, of course, have the ability to transact with each other with cryptocurrency in a non-centralized way.
00:37:15.000What Venezuela and Russia have been developing is literally track, trace, and database surveillance bitcoins.
00:37:21.000What El Salvador has been doing is completely different and it's going to be a very important case in looking at how this is implemented on a national scale and the larger effects that it's going to have on their markets, which is truly fascinating.
00:37:33.000I was thinking about going down there and investigating it and possibly even moving down there.
00:38:09.000Well, so, you know, with Biden making all of these statements, them trying to walk it back, Kamala Harris doubling down, hopefully this double standard is a big smack in the face, figuratively, to a lot of people, among many other things, among the COVID lockdowns and the vaccine passports and all of that stuff.
00:38:27.000I just, I don't know if I should be as hopeful that people pay attention because when, a good example is when Lauren Boebert tweeted that Biden said Trinidad and Shabbat a pressure.
00:38:38.000She said Biden never, you know, fulfilled his promise on Trinidad and Shabbat a pressure.
00:38:42.000The left's response was her brain broke.
00:38:47.000Because they don't actually listen to what Joe Biden says.
00:38:50.000So if Joe Biden comes out and says this, they probably did not hear it.
00:38:54.000Only we did because we're the ones paying attention.
00:38:56.000So you have people in this country who don't pay attention to what's going on and then go vote.
00:39:00.000And then you have people who do pay attention and they're called conspiracy theorists.
00:39:03.000Well, that's the problem of censorship and echo chambers of people just following the same voices, the same ideas, the same kind of viewpoints just regurgitated to them with different kind of points with them.
00:39:14.000But essentially, they're just regurgitating the same thing, doubling down and becoming more radicalized.
00:39:20.000This is why censorship needs to be pushed back at all costs.
00:39:30.000I mean, we're talking about... So we were just talking about how Joe Biden can come out and claim that the upcoming election is going to be illegitimate.
00:39:38.000But YouTube bans and censors those conversations.
00:39:41.000Twitter censored information on Hunter Biden's laptop, which would have changed the results of the election.
00:40:12.000They've gone after your infrastructure.
00:40:15.000You have sitting in front of you a pocket Declaration of Independence and Constitution.
00:40:19.000You say if it's within the First Amendment, people are allowed to say it.
00:40:24.000Why are these big tech companies trying to take a gab offline?
00:40:29.000Right, so we are the most no-platformed, censored, de-platformed, whatever you want to call it, startup, technology startup in history.
00:40:36.000We've been banned from both app stores because Apple and Google came to me and they demanded that we censor things that they didn't like.
00:40:41.000And I said, no, absolutely not, because you don't make the same demands of Facebook and Twitter.
00:40:45.000You can find hate speech on Twitter, you can find hate speech on Facebook, and I'm not going to censor it because you're not making them censor it, okay?
00:40:52.000So I refused to bend the knee and they banned us from the app stores.
00:40:55.000They actually banned our entire developer account in Apple's case.
00:41:00.000We've been banned from every payment processor.
00:41:01.000We've been banned from hosting services, email services, about 30 plus different services all in all, with all the infrastructure that it requires to run a social media website.
00:41:11.000So what we've done over the past five and a half years since I started Gab is we've built our own.
00:41:16.000People say, if you don't like it, it's the free market, go build your own.
00:42:44.000And then we kept growing and growing and growing and they said, OK, we're going to take we're going to go after their bank accounts.
00:42:49.000We're going to go after payment processors.
00:42:50.000And when they can't process payments, they're done.
00:42:53.000There's no way a business can exist on the Internet without being able to accept credit cards or PayPal or all these major payment infrastructures.
00:43:00.000and thanks to stuff like Bitcoin and checks, physical checks, that people would mail into
00:43:07.000So we had old technology and new technology.
00:43:10.000And that is what kept us afloat for an entire year before we were able to build our own
00:43:14.000payment system and come up with our own solution.
00:43:17.000So you're on the forefront in terms of protecting actual free speech, which means you've got
00:43:24.000probably a lot of detestable conversations and really awful people, I'd imagine.
00:43:28.000Yeah, it's words on the screen, right?
00:43:30.000A lot of people that I don't agree with, a lot of people that don't like me, a lot of people that say a lot of nasty things about me and my family, and it's allowed.
00:43:36.000And that's actually how you know that it's a free speech platform.
00:43:38.000There's a parody account of me called Andrew Tuba, and I think it's one of the funniest accounts on Gab.
00:43:45.000It's actually one of my favorite accounts, and maybe they don't know this, but I find it hilarious because, you know, you see that, and that is allowed on there.
00:43:51.000You could find stuff like that on there, even about me, the founder, the owner, right?
00:43:56.000I really don't know if I should bring it up, but people have mentioned that posts critical of the Getter crew have been removed.
00:44:20.000I saw people chatting it, and I want to be careful because if I can't prove it, I don't want to bring it up.
00:44:25.000What I've heard is anybody that's critical of Miles, their billionaire, their Chinese billionaire, who's behind it.
00:44:31.000We had the conversation about Fuentes the other day with the CEO of Getter.
00:44:35.000And I don't want to drag a specific platform into this, but considering Jason Miller was just here, and it's very obvious to everybody I didn't find his response adequate on what rule was broken by Nick Fuentes.
00:44:47.000Look, man, my position has always been this.
00:44:50.000Oliver Darcy of CNN interviewed me in 2018 when they started banning the alt-right from Twitter, and I said, it's a dangerous precedent.
00:44:56.000We always have been, you know, as liberals in this country, because I grew up in Chicago, up in the city, I've always been left-leaning, we're always about free speech.
00:45:06.000And then all of a sudden, Twitter's like, we're banning only this group of people, and I'm like, if they're not threatening violence, if they're not targeting people, even to a certain degree, an argument about harassment, I'd be willing to accept.
00:46:05.000If Getter wants to have that standard, then the crazy thing about this is the modern right in this country today Is posting Martin Luther King Jr.
00:46:15.000They don't want people to be judged on the color of their skin.
00:46:18.000But if you come out like Miller did and say, we're not going to allow anyone who breaks that rule, it's like, okay, well, that means the modern Republican Party is going to be on the platform and the Democrats won't be.
00:47:59.000He couldn't give me a specific example.
00:48:01.000He couldn't give me... There was not even a philosophical reason.
00:48:04.000It was just, you know, Fuentes said something about who are Gropers here.
00:48:08.000And so then I asked him what a Groper was and he didn't seem to know that either.
00:48:11.000And so my view is, if you're gonna ban someone...
00:48:14.000Stand by it, be proud of it, and not be able to explain what went wrong?
00:48:19.000How am I supposed to trust your platform?
00:48:20.000You know, if he had come out and said, we banned him because we believed that Apple and Google would remove us from the stores if we had him on the platform, I would have respected that, right?
00:48:29.000But you know, Jason is a political strategist.
00:48:36.000I think it's obvious after last night, right?
00:48:38.000You know, what these people are doing is they're really trying to subvert the work that I've been doing for five and a half years, and the work that we've been doing at Gab.
00:48:45.000And it's really, it's us versus the billionaires.
00:48:47.000So, you know, you have Miles Gao, who is the Chinese billionaire behind Gitter.
00:48:51.000You have Peter Thiel, who's behind Rumble.
00:48:54.000And you have Rebecca Mercer in the Mercer family, who's behind Parlor.
00:49:01.000Yeah, we got you guys are independent crowdfunding as well started from the beginning with nothing and then John came in Bill's dad is half owner of the company and the three of us.
00:49:39.000So our users, a nice chunk of our users are actually stockholders in Gab.
00:49:43.000So they have a piece of the pie, and they're our biggest advocates, right?
00:49:46.000And outside of that, we're funded by, you know, our Gab Pro subscriptions, merchandise, you know, stuff like this hat.
00:49:51.000And we now have advertisement, but you know, we're not tracking you creepily, like Facebook and stuff.
00:49:55.000Did you guys ever have any big funders coming your way and try to say, hey, we're going to give you this money if you do this?
00:50:01.000And are you willing or able to disclose the largest kind of funder?
00:50:04.000Is there one guy who's like a millionaire that gave you guys a million dollars?
00:50:08.000Or, you know, you don't have to answer it, but I'm just curious.
00:50:10.000I think our average investment was $1,000 for our regulation crowdfunding offerings.
00:50:15.000We did have a few bigger angel investors who, and by the way all these people are users on the site, who put in I think maybe $100,000 or something as a part of that overall round of crowdfunding.
00:50:24.000But anybody was able to invest I think as low as $200.
00:50:34.000I've had, you know, big hedge fund guys and a lot of names that a lot of people would recognize if I said them, I'm not going to do that.
00:50:41.000But you know, essentially the deal was you have to start banning certain things and you have to start doing things a little bit differently.
00:50:47.000And we have to pivot on certain things.
00:50:48.000And I said, unacceptable, unacceptable, because the thing that, I'm not doing this for money.
00:50:56.000I am doing this so that when my children get older, they have the ability to speak freely on the internet.
00:51:03.000I want to ensure that my kids have the same, and your kids by the way, and your kids have the same freedoms that we all grew up with in this country.
00:51:24.000I'm probably missing a few pieces of the puzzle, but 30 years ago, before the internet, before cell phones, and 50 years ago and beyond, radio, television, even newspapers, allowed the powerful interests to homogenize morality and culture, society.
00:51:41.000So 30 years ago, you have a handful of TV channels and a growing influence around, you know, cable was getting more popular since the 80s.
00:51:47.000But, uh, let's go back to the 70s, right?
00:51:49.000You have a handful of channels, maybe like, what, five?
00:51:52.000And so, if these five channels decide a certain idea was unacceptable and they wouldn't put it on TV anymore, they wouldn't platform it, those ideas would start to die off.
00:52:02.000People would fall in line with whatever the mainstream opinion was because they want to fit in and don't want to be ostracized.
00:52:07.000With the rise of the internet, now subcultures that the establishment elites might not like are able to persist because they can build their own communities and survive outside of that ecosystem by finding like-minded individuals.
00:52:22.000It's called the rural purge, the rural TV purge, where there were all these shows like Green Acres and wholesome TV shows about rural life and rural living.
00:52:30.000Those were all purged all at once from all those major networks because they didn't want those ideas anymore.
00:52:35.000They wanted people migrating to the cities where they can control them and atomize them like we're seeing our society become today.
00:52:40.000So now, as the internet expands and different platforms emerge, control of social media, control of these websites, allows them to re-homogenize.
00:52:50.000Are you familiar with the dead internet theory?
00:53:19.000So 1% of any given online community on the internet, whether that's Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, whatever it is, Gab, 1% of people are creating content.
00:53:27.0009% are engaging, meaning they're liking, they're commenting, they're sharing.
00:53:32.00090% of people are passively consuming content, right?
00:53:35.000So that is where most of the social engineering that these platforms are doing is going on.
00:53:40.000The passive engagement, the passive people that are just scrolling the feed and looking at information, they want to decide what you're seeing in those feeds.
00:53:47.000And they are socially conditioning and socially engineering people to have the values that they want them to have, to vote the way that they want them to have.
00:53:55.000You know, I was living and working in Silicon Valley and I saw this stuff firsthand.
00:54:16.000That it used to be 1% were producing everything and 99% were watching, but now it's that when you go on Reddit and read a comment, it was made by a machine.
00:54:30.000And there's a lot of admitted government sock puppet accounts that are meant to, of course, have psychological warfare impact on the internet to push certain agendas out there.
00:54:40.000I've been speaking about this for so long.
00:54:42.000But specifically, you know, the algorithms not only create, you know, echo chambers, they can not only create emotions, but they shape belief systems.
00:55:25.000So we're working on the onboarding process where we're going to recommend you join certain groups and things like that.
00:55:31.000But once, once you're in there, you can unfollow those if you want and follow whoever you want, block whoever you want, but that's how it works.
00:56:19.000One of the big criticisms that Twitter got was when they were in this congressional hearing, a Republican pointed out that when any person in DC signs up, they're defaulted to Democrats to follow.
00:56:34.000You know, we want to work on the onboarding process to allow people to shape their entire experience.
00:56:38.000So we just came up with this new feature called feeds, and it's going to allow you to create your own algorithm, actually.
00:56:44.000So you can sit down, you could say, I want to see a feed that shows these 50 people and these five groups that are on Gab.
00:56:51.000That's one of the features that we have is groups.
00:56:53.000And I want it to be sorted by top content from all those people in all those groups and this hashtag and this RSS feed from the past 24 hours.
00:57:00.000And that is my, you know, top 20, I don't know, my 24 hour top post political news feed.
00:57:05.000And people could subscribe to that algorithm.
00:57:09.000That feed can be viewed by people who aren't members of Gab.
00:57:12.000So that is the big thing that we're going towards now is just total customization, allowing you to create and shape your own experience versus us doing it for you.
00:57:18.000I feel like if we federated networks, it would be the first time in human history that two giant social networks have federated.
00:57:25.000You said that you experimented with the Fediverse.
00:57:27.000You whipped up Mastodon code to create Gab.
00:57:30.000So explain, you guys used to have proprietary software, then something happened, and then now you're open source code.
00:57:36.000And then you said you have problems with the Fediverse.
00:59:10.000Well, you know, the Founding Fathers didn't have things like doxxing.
00:59:13.000They didn't have things like spam, internet spam.
00:59:16.000You know, pornography is protected by the First Amendment, technically.
00:59:20.000But I would say that the Founding Fathers would be appalled that it is protected, and that SCOTUS ruled that, because the Founding Fathers believed It is.
01:02:21.000And where's the oversight when it comes to getting rid of banning people and censoring people?
01:02:27.000Yeah, so if you look at our terms of service, it actually says if it has artistic or medical value, then it's not going to be considered obscene.
01:02:34.000Ultimately, at the end of the day, you know, human beings have to make these decisions, right?
01:02:38.000I mean, even the Supreme Court, when they were pressed with this same exact topic, You know, Justice Potter Stewart, I believe, said, you know it when you see it, right?
01:02:46.000That was the Supreme Court's official response to this, right?
01:02:49.000So this ultimately, at the end of the day, is decided by real human beings.
01:02:53.000And, you know, are we going to make mistakes?
01:02:58.000And likewise, you know, the big thing that makes us different is that 98% of the moderation on the site is done by the site's users itself.
01:03:05.000So we have these group systems, right?
01:03:07.000You can create a group and the users create those groups and they moderate those groups.
01:03:11.000So they're deciding, is this obscene for my group or is it not?
01:03:15.000You know, most of the time we are not dealing with that stuff.
01:03:17.000The users are dealing with it before it even gets to us.
01:03:19.000Where our team comes in is with illegal activity.
01:03:22.000And that is where, you know, we will actually take action.
01:03:24.000If, you know, people are, you know, posting child pornography, for example, we have to legally report that and morally report that to law enforcement and get it off the site immediately.
01:03:35.000That's the type of stuff where we take action.
01:03:37.000This other stuff, this day-to-day type stuff on individual use case stuff, we leave that up to our users.
01:03:41.000If you don't like what someone's saying, if it offends you, unfollow them.
01:03:56.000I think the law's just not being enforced.
01:03:58.000I think that the pornography that we see on the internet today would absolutely fail the Miller Test, and it's detestable that our society's not doing something about it.
01:04:22.000So I want to point out in the content standard section, it is unique in that when we had Rumble on, I believe we were looking at the wrong terms, but their terms were very similar to what we see in Silicon Valley.
01:04:35.000No hateful, you know, content or whatever.
01:04:37.000Uh, your guy's content standards, uh, Gab's content standards specifically says that, uh, if it's protected political, religious, symbolic, or commercial speech under the First Amendment to the Constitution, it will be allowed on the website.
01:04:49.000But then it also says there are some exceptions.
01:04:57.000Interfere with the operation of a computer, of course, it's not protected.
01:05:01.000Being obscene, explicit, pornographic, I think we've just discussed that.
01:05:05.000Infringing on someone's patent, trademark, trade, secret, copyright is a civil tort, I believe, but not protected, you get sued for that, no penalties.
01:05:12.000Violate the legal rights of another, we understand.
01:05:16.000Impersonating someone, now is that protected speech?
01:05:19.000If you dressed up like Donald Trump and went out in the street and told people you were him... See, that's a parody though, right?
01:05:24.000It's protected when it's... No, no, no, no, no, no.
01:05:25.000No, I mean like if someone literally pretended... Like, you ever see that video where the guy pretends to be Joel Osteen?
01:06:34.000But just really quick, when you said in moderation, there's sometimes mistakes made.
01:06:38.000Is there any mistake that you could tell us that you guys reversed that was a problem from your moderation team that you guys knew you guys made a mistake on and fixed?
01:07:27.000And that's why some people, we were asking the person yesterday, is there a possibility for the people who were censored, a possibility of redemption, or an ability to come back?
01:07:35.000Is that something also possible on Gap?
01:07:37.000That is actually in our terms of service where we say if you take this to a competent court and you believe that this was protected by the First Amendment, then we will reinstate you.
01:07:46.000I don't think we're the only ones that have that.
01:07:48.000What if someone gets banned with an account for violating it and then they spin up a new account?
01:07:53.000I mean, it's really difficult for us to know that it's going to be them, but honestly, as long as they're going to learn their lesson and not do whatever they did again, I'm okay with them starting fresh.
01:08:34.000And you know, as a Christian, that is a whole part of Christianity is redemption, right?
01:08:38.000And that is something that I definitely believe in.
01:08:41.000And I think that, you know, when we're moderating, again, it's at the individual post level, you know.
01:08:45.000And also, are we seeing a behavior, right?
01:08:47.000So, if someone has been doing this now, if they've been making threats of violence and citing violence for, you know, six months, well, at a certain point, we have to take additional steps, right?
01:08:56.000And even then, we give them the benefit of the doubt.
01:09:01.000But at a certain point, if they're sitting there and they're, you know, threatening people all day long, and they've been warned, you know, a dozen times, for months, over a period of months, at a certain time, we have to take additional action, right?
01:09:49.000That was a group of us came up with that idea.
01:09:51.000Yeah, and then harassment and spam you'll get banned for, but that specifically says spam is repeated, unwanted, and or unsolicited actions, automated or manual, negatively impacting groups.
01:10:59.000To be like, as you enter into this contract to produce content on this platform, we as a company recognize it'll be generating revenue for us through the work you do, and thus you have certain rights on the platform.
01:11:12.000I think that the network should be able to ban anyone at any time personally, but that's why I'm into the federated process and decentralization of content and I guess you would call it like services, decentralized services.
01:11:23.000So like no centralized login, the data is not held on one server where the king can shut it all down tomorrow.
01:11:30.000But I think the king should be able to shut his server down, his node, and block out anyone from his node.
01:11:36.000That's why I'm aiming towards Like, individual liberty on a decentralized mass scale, kind of like the United States where you have sovereignty of your household.
01:11:44.000So we kind of do that with groups right now, right?
01:11:46.000So they have full control over who gets to join the group, who gets to post in the group, what's allowed in the group.
01:12:34.000Well, this is happening naturally right now.
01:12:36.000And actually, there have been academic studies on this that show that Gab is not an echo chamber specifically because we are not censoring based on arbitrary political viewpoints.
01:12:45.000We have a chronological feed, and we allow people to shape and create their own experience.
01:12:49.000So they're exposed to a lot of different things.
01:12:51.000that they might not see in other platforms.
01:12:54.000What we're also seeing is this, as I said, this is happening naturally.
01:12:57.000So people who are not wanting to get vaccinated are coming over to Gab.
01:13:03.000We're seeing medical doctors and stuff, and it's not even political at all.
01:13:06.000By the way, we have tens of thousands of groups that have nothing to do with politics.
01:13:10.000There's people that come on Gab to post about classic cars, which is one of my favorite groups.
01:13:14.000There's people that come on Gab to talk about arts and crafts and homeschooling and faith and all these different topics that are talked about and these niche communities that are forming through our group system.
01:13:26.000So, you know, there's anything but an echo chamber.
01:13:29.000The experience is what you make of it.
01:13:31.000If you want to create an echo chamber on Gab with your account, you can do that.
01:13:36.000But if you want to, you know, be exposed to a lot of different ideas, you can also do that too.
01:13:43.000I want to touch on dissenter It's a browser that you guys built and it's a fork of the brave browser And it basically what I got from it I have only used it once and I remember I went to a website and I believe it was made so that you could comment on websites Maybe they were banned from so like if Nick Fuentes or anybody want to go to Twitter But and comment on the Twitter post they could comment in the dissenter browser.
01:14:03.000So anyone else is amazing That's awesome!
01:14:05.000Yeah, so this is Gabtrends, which you have right here.
01:14:07.000So anybody can go to trends.gab.com, enter in any URL of any news article, and leave a comment on it.
01:14:12.000And the news article, the news outlet can do nothing to stop you.
01:14:21.000So the browser itself has this baked in as an extension, and unfortunately we've had to depreciate Dissenter because we didn't have the resources or the time to upkeep it.
01:14:29.000But I think we're going to bring it back in the future.
01:14:51.000Well, the extension, the problem with the extension is the extension got banned just like everything else from the extension app stores on Google and Firefox.
01:14:58.000So that's why we needed our own browser in the first place.
01:15:00.000And the browser is very difficult to maintain.
01:15:02.000So this concept, this idea lives on, on GAP.
01:15:23.000I remember a few years ago, media organizations used to have comments on almost every single news story, and you were able to get in there, get people's perspective, get people's thoughts, and then slowly and surely, every media organization has stopped it.
01:15:42.000And it was so disappointing and slowly and surely and now we're in this kind of place where they only have the algorithm of what they want you to see.
01:15:49.000So I appreciate, you know, the effort to fight against everyone stopping you, everyone standing in your way.
01:16:42.000Yeah, I don't know how I feel about the metaverse.
01:16:44.000You know, I wrote a blog post about this from the Christian point of view, and I feel like we're going to need Christian missionaries to go into the metaverse to pull people out back to reality, right?
01:17:12.000That's a good... So the challenge is, you know, they nuke you, they ban you, but when people are in that Metaverse, there's a reason why they got rid of comments, there's a reason why Dissenter was so dangerous.
01:17:23.000If you could get a message layer to people who are in the system that gives them a It's like in the Matrix when they call the operator in the ship.
01:17:36.000There's something exciting about the Metaverse happening.
01:17:39.000We can be like in the Matrix and we can be the heroes fighting to free people, which I guess we're kind of doing right now.
01:17:47.000I like the idea of being able to do like 80 calculations at once and like play 90 games at once because it's going to help us evolve the way our minds think when we're controlling computers with our brains without the finger interface.
01:18:48.000Yeah, TV history was basically just like the program didn't mean like they were programming like a computer because, you know, computers weren't prominent enough.
01:18:55.000It was literally just like the list of shows they had.
01:19:27.000As long as we can continue to exist, it's inevitable that people will, you know, go to these other platforms and find out the hard way that it's not what it's, you know, being sold out to be.
01:19:37.000And then they inevitably come over to Gab.
01:19:49.000The same thing is going to happen with all these other guys.
01:19:52.000They think that if they ban hate speech and they bend the knee and they ban political dissonance like Nick Fuentes, That, you know, Apple and Google are going to be benevolent to them and they're going to let them exist.
01:20:01.000But what they don't realize is that they're built on Silicon Valley infrastructure and trying to take on Silicon Valley.
01:21:02.000And they can't shut him down because they contact their friends in Silicon Valley and they just say, sorry, they're not using our infrastructure.
01:21:10.000Well, as far as I know, Rumble and some of these other things.
01:21:16.000I was reading that there was a complaint from one of these left-wing publications that because he uses, you know, infrastructure outside of Silicon Valley, they can't get him banned.
01:21:54.000You know, you're investing in a big tech owned and controlled infrastructure, or are you investing in an infrastructure that is wholly owned by Gab?
01:22:02.000Gab that is attacked and de-platformed more than any of these other players in the space and has not only survived it, but has thrived through it and has become more resilient, the most resilient platform On the internet today to defend free speech.
01:22:23.000And what I'd like to do is basically you download an application, you run it, you install it, and then you can start uploading videos to a server of your choice.
01:22:31.000Well, the idea is so that someone could have their own version of Patreon, Facebook, or whatever.
01:22:38.000Right, so you get your own server space, you download the package, we're gonna make it, we're gonna give it away for free, you install it, you tell people, hey, go to my website, it's, you know, TimCast.com, and when they go there, they see a social media feed, it's connected to the network of all the other websites that use that service, but it's all hosted by you.
01:22:55.000That means you gotta pay for it, but you also have the option to plug in and have people pay memberships, just like any other subscription service, and then if I go on Ian's website, I can go to the search and I can type in like, you know, I'm looking for a person and I can find my website and you can follow it.
01:23:35.000You're not just complaining about the problem, you're out there building, which is what I've been doing for five and a half years.
01:23:39.000And I think this is speaking to something that I've also been talking about, which is the balkanization of social media and the fragmentation of social media.
01:23:46.000So we saw the consolidation where Facebook's buying up Instagram and WhatsApp and all the players in the space.
01:24:31.000They're going to buy Microsoft might end up doing it and try and consolidate all the video game industry and all the movie industry and then create the metaverse of the movie, TV, video game experience where you're the main character.
01:24:41.000It's a different movie every time you play.
01:24:43.000You see Facebook going all in on this.
01:24:45.000You see Microsoft going all in on this.
01:24:46.000You see Disney is also going all in on the metaverse.
01:25:15.000A hovercraft is going to pull a guy out of a Matrix pod, and he's going to be like, why do my eyes hurt?
01:25:20.000And then, you know, someone's going to go, because you've never used them.
01:25:23.000And then they're going to go in the ship, and they're going to be going through the tunnels, and then the door is going to open up, and there's going to be these crazy underground buildings, and the guy's going to be like, where are we?
01:26:44.000Ian ends up creating his own federal reserve, his own local freedomistan reserve, and controls all currency, and he's rich.
01:26:49.000Well, it would be like in an account that I wouldn't have access to and it would just slowly give out tokens to people that utilize the system.
01:29:32.000And I tell you this, people, some people, when they make money, they start, they get that whisper in their ear from that devil on their shoulder saying, you deserve it.
01:29:49.000My opinion of him is that as he started getting more and more famous, he started getting people whispering in his ears and he was like... I've dealt with this.
01:30:09.000And now at this point, their only thing left at this point is to continue with the smears or to just pretend I don't exist.
01:30:16.000So that's why you're not going to see me on Fox News or any of the major players is because they don't want to give me the airtime to speak my mind and talk about these things.
01:30:25.000When you say you're not doing it for the money, I believe you, dude.
01:31:03.000Like, a box appears and says, here's a picture of a dog.
01:31:06.000It could actually have things in it like, person IQ level deemed 70, moron, feed them trash.
01:31:12.000And you'd be like, that's what they're saying about me?
01:31:15.000Yeah, you have they were experimenting on people.
01:31:17.000Well, this is the thing that I don't like about, you know, getter and stuff too, is if you look at their code, if you look at, you know, the website, they actually have Facebook and Google pixels that are tracking you.
01:31:26.000So you're literally, you know, you think you're on leaving Facebook, I'm going over to this alternative, and like, you're still being tracked by Facebook over there.
01:31:31.000Yeah, if you have Google Ads on your website, you're getting tracked by Google.
01:31:34.000All your users are getting tracked by Google.
01:31:36.000Do you know how hard it was for us to build and maintain Gab without using things like Google Analytics?
01:31:41.000Because we didn't want our users tracked by Google.
01:32:21.000What we care is about empowering people to speak freely.
01:32:24.000We don't care about tracking their every click and every move.
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01:32:48.000So let's read what people have to say.
01:32:51.000The first one we have is, thank God for Gab.
01:32:54.000And there is a fist and a smiley face.
01:33:12.000I remember The point of open source code was to empower everyone, and then when they actually empowered you, they're like, no, wait, not you!
01:33:19.000That's the weirdest thing for me because, you know, I used to hang out in the hacker community way back then, especially during Occupy, and all of those people were like, everyone should have the ability to speak.
01:33:28.000And they were all about free speech for everyone.
01:33:31.000All of a sudden, these same people are now like, no, we've changed our mind.
01:33:33.000We don't want free speech, but we're going to make free speech software.
01:36:35.000I read that book in high school and it totally gave me perspective how the intelligence agencies work behind the scenes for the greater benefit of the corporations that truly do run things behind the scenes.
01:36:47.000Dingus asks a question about adult content.
01:36:49.000I do feel like we answered it, but maybe we'll just go through it just to honor the question.
01:36:55.000Why does he have the same position on porn as the Australian government?
01:36:58.000Porn in Australia is illegal and must be viewed on international servers.
01:37:01.000If it doesn't qualify as expression, can or should it be banned by governments?
01:37:06.000So, I don't think you'll ever be able to fully ban porn, but I believe that we should have some sort of check and balance to prevent 10-year-old kids from accessing this stuff.
01:37:25.000They should be doing better parenting.
01:37:26.000I mean, most of the time those people aren't parents, right?
01:37:28.000And they don't understand the reality of parenting.
01:37:30.000The reality of parenting is that every single one of your kids' friends has these on them 24-7 and can instantly, in a click, get access to this stuff.
01:38:09.000But policy-wise, instead of getting into details on what kids should be watching, specifically in terms of what that is, I'm all about people's right to watch and do other stuff, but we have regulations.
01:39:11.000Once, and then he was on with debating Charlie Kerr.
01:39:14.000And so whenever we have someone who's interested, you know, we've reached out to many people on the left and they're always like, no, no, no.
01:39:21.000One person said yes, but then canceled on us.
01:39:46.000He's what an actual populist on the left looks like and talks about.
01:39:50.000And then when you watch his show, it's funny, they call him right-wing and they smear him, and it's like, maybe people who don't like authoritarianism, whether they're right or left, agree with each other, and you're the bad guys.
01:40:01.000So it's like, Jimmy can have policies on healthcare I don't agree with, but we all completely agree on the authoritarians as being awful and bad.
01:40:06.000Left-right libertarians have a lot in common.
01:40:16.000Terry Hendrick says, if TruthSocial is federated with the rest of the Fediverse, then will Gab also enable federation again?
01:40:23.000By the way, everyone should run their own Fediverse server.
01:40:27.000I don't think that TruthSocial will federate for the same reason that we had to turn it off, is because it does not scale, at least in its current implementation.
01:40:34.000I'd be very surprised if they did that.
01:40:36.000If they did, I mean, it would be very interesting if we can figure out a way to make Federation work at scale, but just from a technical standpoint, we are the only ones on the planet who have dealt with it at this level of scale.
01:40:50.000White Student Transmission says, has Gab considered chartering a credit union?
01:40:55.000So we have looked into things like buying a bank and things like that, but what it does is it opens you up to more government regulatory issues and agencies, you know, staring down your back, right?
01:41:08.000So I'd rather partner with the bank than buy one at this point.
01:41:11.000But a credit union is a very interesting idea.
01:41:13.000I think we have a lot of gabbers who have brought this up and it's certainly interesting, it's just not on our road map right now.
01:41:57.000Getter is like, what, negative one or zero?
01:42:00.000They're still in that space, but it's better than Twitter.
01:42:03.000And so my view is, if we've gained even two points on the scale from Getter, that's a good thing.
01:42:10.000You want to solidify that position, and then in the coming months, move again, one step at a time.
01:42:15.000You're never going to convince an entire system, an economy or the internet, to jump from negative seven to free speech completely.
01:42:23.000It's just too big a leap to make that societal change.
01:42:27.000So taking any victory you can would be a good thing.
01:42:30.000If Getter is saying we're going to allow people to speak the same as they could on Twitter, but we won't editorialize, I'm like, better than Twitter.
01:42:52.000So I actually, you know, It doesn't feel good.
01:42:56.000A lot of people are saying, like, oh, you know, look, Getter was made to look bad, and it's like, someone commented saying, don't confuse perfect with good.
01:43:04.000You know, what Getter is doing is better than Twitter, and we should be happy with that victory, and keep striving to push further and move on.
01:43:11.000But it's still built on the infrastructure, so it doesn't change the premise.
01:43:14.000If people are trying to escape big tech, big tech tyranny, and they're going to a platform that is hosted by big tech and dependent on big tech infrastructure and dependent on big tech app stores and have a terms of service that is exactly like big tech, then what's the difference?
01:43:26.000And to be honest, you know, the big question was, Why not just use Gab?
01:45:33.000So we were bigger than all of them combined.
01:45:35.000And then you ended up getting spamming, I guess?
01:45:39.000So a lot of people are saying, you know, we're at the point now where they're saying porn is not protected and things like that.
01:45:46.000Green Country says, I'm not offended by nudity or sex, but there are some bodies that I would rather not see unclothed, if you know what I mean.
01:45:58.000Yeah, if you don't mark it as explicit when you put it up and you keep violating that Ethic code of you upholding your end of the bargain by making an account you keep posting stuff.
01:46:07.000That's lewd You're gonna get your entire account marked lewd so that whenever someone's goes to your page It's gonna have a big e over it and it'll be grayed out They're gonna have to opt in to be able to see anything on your page from I think I think I talked with you got with you guys about that once that it was like there is The free and open space outside the walls of the city and you can choose to operate in the city walls But you got to abide by the city city's rules And if you don't want to you're free to go outside those walls and say whatever you live in the wilderness It's a tough debate, you know, whether it's art or self-expression, but I think it's definitely been weaponized in extremely egregious ways.
01:46:41.000But I think at the end of the day, it has to be how kids are being raised.
01:46:47.000And I think it's the parents' duties to inform the kids that this is extremely dangerous and it will ruin their lives.
01:46:52.000But man, imagine a four-year-old seeing something like crazy.
01:46:57.000It's a difficult conversation to have, and it's hard, you know, because how do you balance freedoms and expression and the destruction of the youth?
01:47:08.000Alright, going back to the UK stuff, Brian Knowles says, Boris Johnson had photos leaked of private parties.
01:47:14.000Almost every night for weeks during the lockdowns, everyone started calling for his resignation.
01:47:18.000Months ago, Lotus Eaters predicted he'd lift mandates to save his position.
01:49:03.000So we actually have 20 million uniques that are just using the site as their new source and exploring and all that stuff.
01:49:09.000So you could have an account to follow people but not...
01:49:11.000Yeah, to follow, or to comment, or to post.
01:49:13.000But most, you know, the vast majority of our traffic is just passively, you know, consuming the content, or following different profiles, or viewing different profiles, or viewing different links, or just coming to the homepage and seeing the content.
01:49:24.000They use it as their news source, really.
01:49:27.000And you don't need an account to explore the entire site.
01:49:31.000Wyatt says, Jimmy Dore will be in Pennsylvania in February, I believe.
01:49:35.000Maybe we should look at Jimmy's schedule and see if we can have him come on.
01:50:07.000And people really appreciated the honest attempt at understanding each other.
01:50:11.000Most of what you get now is tribalism, where it's like I was mentioning that, you know, when I said about Carhartt, if you don't wanna get vaccinated, quit.
01:51:24.000I've known the guy... I wouldn't really say we're friends or anything, but I know him from back in Chicago and he went pro and he's like a really famous guy and I saw his Instagram because he's like one of the most famous pro skaters and he sells these spices, so we bought them.
01:52:26.000So maybe someone went back in time and stopped it from happening or whatever.
01:52:31.000Robert asks, does Gab have its own email service?
01:52:34.000No, but we have been asked about that a lot.
01:52:37.000We did have to build our own email system.
01:52:40.000So we got banned from Mailgun and all those services that you can send mass emails.
01:52:45.000We had to stop everything that we were doing for about three months and build our own email system just to be able to send people password resets, confirmations, all that type of stuff, just basic transactional emails.
01:52:57.000You'd think they could do that to any human at any time.
01:53:00.000People need to understand that auto-response emails are not a simple thing.
01:53:05.000So when we launched our website, I didn't realize how quickly it would grow, and it grew so incredibly rapidly, I was surprised.
01:53:12.000So I love all of you guys, it's amazing.
01:53:14.000And then all of a sudden we had to deal with confirmation emails, account emails, and then all of a sudden we're dealing with like 30,000 emails in only a couple days, and our system locks, and then we're like, we don't know what's going on.
01:53:25.000We didn't realize we were gonna get hit by that much, and then people are complaining and canceling, and I'm just like, I have no idea what's happening.
01:53:33.000As we're building our open network, I'm building the website and I'm like, I can't put a phone number on there.
01:54:47.000Well, I think that only applies to governments, but it is interesting that we've now, what, allowed Facebook to bypass human rights protections?
01:54:56.000Because the Nuremberg Code says that if there's going to be an experiment, people have to be informed and consent to be involved.
01:55:01.000Yeah, Nuremberg Code's a set of research ethics principles for human experimentation.
01:55:05.000I think that's a good... What's the first provision or whatever?
01:57:09.000What we can do is make a good faith effort to spend your money and spend your time, you know, with places and with people and with businesses that share your values.
01:59:36.000When I was saying that in today's show, I knew exactly what you were doing.
01:59:40.000I was like, I almost burst out laughing.
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02:00:57.000Okay, so I did confirm Facebook data scientists manipulated the news feed of almost 690,000 users showing them positive updates and negative ones unknown in 2012.