A Pennsylvania court has ruled that a proposed universal mail-in voting law that was pushed forward in 2019 is unconstitutional, which could have a major impact on the midterms in November 2020. Plus, Black Lives Matter is in shambles, and Barry Manilow is apparently pulling his music off Spotify over the Joe Rogan thing.
00:00:35.000Democrats and Republicans made a deal.
00:00:37.000A deal that Republicans could not actually follow through on because the state constitution bars universal mail-in voting.
00:00:44.000We know this because both the Democrats and the Republicans are now actively trying to amend the Constitution, even though they already passed an unconstitutional law.
00:00:54.000This country is in some deep ish, if you know what I mean.
00:00:57.000This story is absolutely off the wall insane.
00:01:00.000So I don't think this means anything, to be honest, for 2020 other than it'll piss off Trump supporters.
00:01:05.000But as for moving forward the midterms and potentially 2024, this could have a very serious impact because, well, we know the law is unconstitutional.
00:01:13.000The Democrats and the Republicans are trying to amend the Constitution to make it legal.
00:02:13.000But you've done—what's that cool stuff you've done?
00:02:15.000So I served in the military and then got out, went to law school after I was in the military, and then served 10 years as a prosecutor, served in the Virginia Senate, served a term in Congress, but really got a passion for human rights, right?
00:02:28.000That we live in a world where, if you're listening to this podcast, odds are you're very fortunate.
00:02:32.000The odds of being born in this country are 1 in 26.
00:02:35.000But while we speak, there are people who are being raped and murdered and tortured and displaced because of who they love, because of how they worship, because they choose not to worship, et cetera, et cetera.
00:02:46.000And, you know, you go see this stuff firsthand, and then I sort of was like, what can I do about it?
00:02:54.000It's interesting you say that because I think, you know, you were mentioning just before the show that identity politics is really, really dangerous for us, the wokeness, right?
00:03:01.000Well, I mean, so, If you dissect everything into my hair color is this or my skin color is that, then you've lost the real essence of what's important, right?
00:03:28.000And it causes violence and bloodshed and suffering and I'm over it.
00:03:33.000One of the things that we're going to get into on the show today is that you're working on a documentary series and you were on the ground in Syria, I believe it was Syria, right?
00:03:41.000And you're having trouble getting networks to pick it up because you're not too kind to China.
00:03:45.000So yeah, I've been, it's fun with my passport.
00:03:48.000I've spent the night in three of the seven official state sponsors of terrorism, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, and sort of trying to shine a light on man's new humanity, fellow man at exileseries.com, first of many egregious plugs.
00:04:02.000And so we go to the networks and we show them this trailer, which is like really good.
00:04:07.000Like I'm the weak link, the presenters, the weak link.
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00:06:37.00099% in the House, 98% in the Pennsylvania Senate of all of the members agreed on this and passed a law in violation of the state Constitution.
00:06:49.000In comes the primary elections, in comes Congress and the presidential elections, and some Republicans take notice.
00:07:34.000It is a year and a half or so, a year and a few months later, and now a state court has said, yes, the Constitution outright says, here are the specific reasons for absentee ballots.
00:07:47.000Democrats, Republicans alike have agreed on a bill to amend the Constitution to make universal mail-in voting constitutional.
00:07:56.000It would require two back-to-back sessions where they approve this.
00:08:00.000That's not possible to do in one legislative session.
00:08:04.000So what they decided, I guess, was we'll approve the amendment, which won't go into effect until a second legislative hearing and a referendum from the public.
00:08:13.000And then we'll just pass universal mail-in voting anyway.
00:08:16.000Surprisingly, I believe it was 11 of the Republicans who actually voted on that law for universal mail-in voting were involved in the lawsuit saying it was unconstitutional.
00:08:26.000So I gotta say, the Republicans are kind of dicks in this moment, but I don't think that matters.
00:08:31.000We can smack-tuck the Republicans all day and night.
00:08:36.000The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania is, I believe, five judges, three Democrats, two Republicans, and so it is widely believed that the Democratic Supreme Court in Pennsylvania is going to just say, nope, it's constitutional regardless of what the Constitution says, and if they do, you're going to have a law on the books, as you do now, which says you don't need an excuse for mail-in voting, and a Constitution that says you can only have mail-in voting for these reasons.
00:09:01.000Ladies and gentlemen, this country's imploding.
00:09:22.000What do you do if the judicial system has become political?
00:09:26.000Except that you are being ruled by appointed judges.
00:09:29.000I mean, there's got to be some sort of constitutional recourse to pull him out of office, I would imagine.
00:09:35.000Only if the legislative branch asserts itself, which it hasn't been willing to do for the last 100 years anyway, right?
00:09:39.000I mean, we promulgate 28 pages of regulation for every one page of laws we pass, but they can take your liberty or your property for violation of a regulation.
00:10:44.000It has nothing to do with my election.
00:10:47.000In fact, one of the guys suing I think actually won his election.
00:10:50.000So the judge first comes out the gate.
00:10:51.000The judges, in general, are just like, we're partisans and we know it.
00:10:55.000Now it goes to the next state court, and on the merits, they say, yo, the Constitution of Pennsylvania, there's a section on absentee voting, it says, here are the specific reasons you can have an absentee vote.
00:11:05.000It's like you're out of town on business, you're in the military, you're medically indisposed or whatever, but no excuse, universal mail-in voting, not allowed.
00:11:15.000So the court says, OK, you can't do it.
00:11:16.000Now the Democrats are coming out saying, we don't care.
00:11:19.000This is going to go to the state Supreme Court.
00:11:21.000And if they, on party lines, uphold the law and say the law is allowed regardless of the Constitution, you have a court saying the Constitution doesn't matter at all.
00:11:30.000We're gonna do whatever we want on party lines.
00:11:32.000They've already used a party line vote in the first place.
00:11:34.000Republicans are the ones who made a bad deal, you know?
00:11:37.000They swindled the Democrats in the first place.
00:11:38.000But this means that a judge can enact a law which favors Democrats, which will then result in your legislators who pass the laws being basically put in place by broken laws.
00:11:50.000The system is a hodgepodge of duct tape and bubblegum jammed together to hold stuff together, and we're all looking at it, and I gotta be honest, It doesn't make sense.
00:11:59.000If this is if this if this moves forward with Democrats in the Supreme Court being in the state Supreme Court, not the federal saying, no, we're going to let this law stand.
00:12:06.000I'm just like, yo, you guys don't have representative government anymore.
00:12:09.000You have appointed judges who uphold unconstitutional rules to allow their buddies to get reelected.
00:12:19.000Well, I guess a point could be that you might have a bout of corruption and then after that it gets back to normal and they're no longer corrupt.
00:12:27.000So just because one time there's a bunch of corruption doesn't mean that it's ruined forever.
00:13:15.000Look, man, I've been telling people, we are in some kind of civil war.
00:13:19.000When a judge issues a ruling and explicitly states, your guy already lost, so you're doing this for that reason, it's like, that judge is not ruling on the merits.
00:13:49.000Well, as far as I'm concerned, this is just more undermining of more institutions.
00:13:53.000And from what I saw in 2020, there is no low that we can possibly reach that will not turn something partisan.
00:14:00.000Like the judicial system is not intended to be partisan in any way, but they're turning it into that, which is going to be a huge problem down the road.
00:14:06.000And maybe they don't see that as being the case because they're very short-sighted, but if you can use it against the other party, they can obviously use it against you.
00:14:13.000And yet, if there is an institution, a foundational institution, that has demonstrated that it seems to work, still, it's the judiciary, usually, right?
00:14:22.000We got the Rittenhouse verdict followed by the Aubrey verdict, right?
00:14:26.000And I was just watching both of them going, okay, they murdered that dude, and this kid, like, watched the video, like, I was impressed with his fire discipline, candidly.
00:14:48.000The prosecutor called him a burglary suspect.
00:14:50.000The only reason the McMichaels got convicted was because the judge gave the instruction to the jury that unless they had witnessed the potential crime taking place, they had no right to try and confront him.
00:15:00.000And deadly force is never authorized for the protection of property.
00:15:03.000Except, Ahmed Arbery grabbed the shotgun from the McMichael and fought him for it, which is dual possession, which resulted in him getting shot.
00:15:35.000At least as the facts were distilled for me, I thought that the judiciary had gotten it right.
00:15:40.000What their job is, is to call balls and strikes.
00:15:43.000And that kind of is politically dangerous because of the tribalism that you make reference to, but kind of the way I try to do it.
00:15:52.000You know, when my guy was in the White House and I was in Congress, I had a duty to say when I thought my guy was wrong.
00:15:57.000Well, so the Ahmaud Arbery thing is actually a really great point to what we're talking about here.
00:16:01.000And it's why I think, in many ways, the Republicans are losing and probably will lose.
00:16:06.000But I do think there's a great potential for national populist Republican types, people who believe in America.
00:16:14.000We have a big problem with corporatists, crony, conservatives, who are just rhinos, I guess.
00:16:19.000They call them Republicans in name only.
00:16:21.000The issue is, when it comes to a story like Ahmaud Arbery, Fox News is more than happy to come out and just praise the ruling without looking at the facts because they want to earn some points from the mainstream media.
00:16:34.000It is said that there are many Republicans who care more about the opinion of the New York Times than their own constituents.
00:16:39.000That is why I think the Republican establishment is being gutted and ripped apart.
00:16:43.000The Ahmaud Arbery case being another example of this where many Republicans came out and were like,
00:17:25.000And you know, it's hard to lose ground on the offensive.
00:17:29.000Well, I want to give a good example to people because one of the narratives from the left and Democrats is that Republicans don't play by the rules, that Republicans are steamrolling and getting whatever they want and Democrats won't fight back.
00:17:41.000Democrats repeatedly call for gun control.
00:17:43.000Republicans repeatedly call for not gun control.
00:18:05.000How about you act like Lauren Boebert or Marjorie Taylor Greene and repeal the NFA, abolish the ATF, and start passing laws to repeal unconstitutional gun bans?
00:18:14.000The contrast is astounding because you're absolutely correct that there are a lot of Republicans who care more about what the New York Times says than their constituents.
00:18:20.000It's also the case that there are many Republicans in general among the constituency who care about what the New York Times says more than any Democrat cares about what Fox News says.
00:18:29.000The left doesn't consume media that's generally catered towards right-wing markets and shape their thinking based on that or determine which opinions they're going to be comfortable voicing in the workplace based on that.
00:18:40.000Yeah, you know, I'm still fairly optimistic though because the uniparty establishment is struggling.
00:18:57.000And there are lots of people in Washington who I won't name because I'd like to make a living, who are in the party they're in because they analyzed the district or the state where they were running and said, this is the party I need to be in, right?
00:20:15.000And he goes, they'll say we're racist.
00:20:17.000And I said, dude, they're already saying we're racist!
00:20:19.000What if we just do the right thing and trust that African Americans and Caucasian Americans and all Americans will go, son of a gun, those guys did the right thing!
00:20:27.000You guys are amazing, because I've read the crap they say about you, and that's what happens to Republicans.
00:20:31.000what people said, but it never was able to change sort of what I was going to do.
00:20:38.000You guys are amazing, because I've read the crap they say about you, and that's what happens
00:21:45.000And I'm not saying it was the right thing, but the judge basically said, if the law is to be read that you need to witness the crime, then they stopped him illegally, which is a felony.
00:21:55.000And because he died in the struggle, it's felony murder.
00:22:03.000But the law actually states you have a right to stop someone if you suspect a felony.
00:22:08.000Well, here's the story to me, right, as a guy who just got sort of schooled on this.
00:22:12.000The story to me is that I consider myself to be marginally well-read and half the stuff you said I'd never heard.
00:22:16.000That's wild. Right. I mean, you see where I'm going with this, Tim, right? Like,
00:22:21.000shout out to legal insurrection.com and law of self-defense and your bracket because they actually
00:22:25.000trained trained on self-defense on self-defense law and the and circumstances under we've had a
00:22:30.000long phone call in the snow on the way up here about the students like, well, if I shoot the
00:22:34.000intruder with number four versus double a buck and I'm like, it doesn't matter. You shot it's
00:22:38.000deadly force anyway. So we don't overthink this. We've talked a lot about that too. But, but,
00:22:42.000you know, back to the main point, it's that these Republicans, the ones you mentioned that they're
00:22:46.000like, oh, we can't actually repeal Obamacare because then we have no, I guess, no, what,
00:22:51.000They took like three or four votes where they all voted for it and then I had to do a discharge petition which is where you try to get a number of members to sign a bill to get a vote on it on the floor because the speaker won't bring it who was a Republican and I got like 26 signatures on the discharge petition.
00:23:06.000People wouldn't even sign the document to let it come to a vote because they didn't want to be held accountable and I'm like like it took me less than 24 hours to go this place is broken beyond my ability to repair it.
00:23:19.000This is why I went back to the Ahmaud Arbery thing.
00:23:21.000The Fox News personalities and the conservatives who are unwilling to actually look into it and call it out because they're scared of being called racist or whatever.
00:23:29.000Yo, I got called racist when I said all of that stuff, and I'm like, I literally don't care that you call me that.
00:23:34.000That word has zero meaning to me or anybody else at this point.
00:23:39.000What's worse that you could call somebody in 2022?
00:23:42.000I don't think you'd call him anything to be honest.
00:24:23.000That was a different, that was something that they said.
00:24:24.000I can't even remember what it was, but I remember the majority leader going there.
00:24:27.000Well, they're going to say such and such.
00:24:28.000And I'm like, Yeah, they're saying worse than that, dude.
00:24:33.000But that come on that that, you know, I hear you saying that that was during the state Senate, but I have to imagine that that's that's everywhere for Republicans.
00:24:40.000So when some seriousness of African American woman elected lieutenant governor of Virginia, and there was a story in a legitimate media outlet about how that proved how racist Republicans were, like the mental gymnastics you have to do to get to that point.
00:24:53.000I feel that it requires a level of spiritual toughness to navigate criticism like this in the internet age, the comments and the news articles.
00:25:05.000They're not used to the internet like some young people are.
00:25:09.000I see them as a vulnerability, having individuals there that can get their morale shattered or smashed by the news media.
00:25:15.000So what do you think about just eradicating the concept of a bunch of people going to the Capitol building to vote 700 and dispersing the workload to the American people?
00:25:28.000So you're talking about an actual democracy, a direct democracy?
00:25:30.000Or a republic that, like, we create, like, a smart contract that our 700,000 people can vote to decide if that contract's going to toggle yes or no for certain things.
00:25:39.000So we still have some sort of representative... So it still requires that more people listen to Tim Pool's podcast?
00:25:44.000I mean, what I mean by that is... I'm serious, though, but without truth, without a competently informed, intelligent, discerning electorate, you're still going to get bad policy.
00:25:55.000I disagree with Ian on this one, but it is a really interesting thought.
00:25:59.000The idea is, instead of doing a direct democracy, you do a direct republic.
00:26:03.000You still have districts, you still have electoral college, but instead of having a representative, it breaks down like an electoral vote within the state.
00:26:10.000So it doesn't matter if you have 750,000 people in one area and you have 500,000 in another, it's still weighted, you know what I mean?
00:26:18.000Well, yeah, so you should get your Senate, the effect thereof.
00:26:24.000You know, I personally think it's good to have reps there in person doing their jobs.
00:26:29.000But I do think it's an interesting idea.
00:26:31.000And I do think that, you know, as technology changes and times change, we do need to be addressing how this is going to affect legislation.
00:26:38.000So if this is like, you want to fix D.C.
00:26:45.000Oh, yeah, right not because the elected there is a bidding war when an influential member retires over their chief of staff and That guy I mean I grew up in the same neighborhood as a young man a young man He's older than me who was who'd been chief of staff for four or five members great guy like not disparaging him personally But he had a floor pass, right?
00:27:02.000I mean like this guy's on the floor of the house more influential by far than a lot of people who've stood for election by 800,000 of their constituents So, term limits for staffers.
00:27:10.000Once you hit GS 15 in an agency or what have you, you can be there this long and you gotta move.
00:27:15.000Because that's where the secret power is.
00:27:16.000And the second thing is, instead of allowing party leadership, because again, political parties are the poison that will destroy the mix, to determine committee assignments, let people draw lots for committee assignments.
00:27:27.000Maybe you get, you know, if there's 15 committees, Maybe you get 15 sheets of paper to put in one bucket and 14 and 13 and 12 Because that's how they bribe you if you want to be on this committee Ian Seamus then you have to promise to vote for the farm bill or not vote for marijuana reform or what have you and so In giving the leadership in both the majority and minority the power to appoint committees to provide committee assignments You've just given them the ability to blackmail every single member
00:27:57.000What if you promise it and then don't follow through with your promise?
00:28:50.000And I'm not saying like being considered your grandma.
00:28:52.000In fact, you should be really consider your grandma.
00:28:54.000But grandma's primary responsibility is grandma, right?
00:28:58.000Government starts as the pinpoint center of a circle and radiates outward from there.
00:29:02.000So the essence of government is you, then your family, then your neighbors, then Yeah, yeah.
00:29:09.000The reason I bring up the party affiliation thing is that people will go into the ballot and they'll just be Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat.
00:29:14.000They don't know who they're voting for.
00:29:28.000People would change their name to like Aaron Aardvark.
00:29:30.000Yeah, well, or people would just vote for somebody if their name sounded like they were from the same ethnic background or something like that.
00:29:35.000Like, oh, that's an Irish name, or, oh, that's an Asian name, or whatever it is.
00:29:38.000Or someone would change their name to Charizard, and a bunch of people would vote.
00:29:41.000Guy's gonna change his name to Crash Lightning, and everyone would be like, oh, I'm voting for Crash.
00:29:57.000But so there was a story in I think it was New Hampshire of a trans anarchist satanist who ran as a Republican in the primary for sheriff and ended up winning.
00:30:19.000If you voted for voting records, so you didn't know the name of the person, you didn't know what party it was, but you just got to see all like, or a bio.
00:30:34.000Those are like under oath bios, like legal, verified.
00:30:38.000And if you lie on your bio there, you go to prison kind of thing.
00:30:41.000I think we should let the same people who drafted the PolitiFact do the numbering.
00:30:45.000Voting for a name or a party is so insane.
00:30:48.000Look at what the media does, how they frame things to make them negative.
00:30:52.000It'll be like, Ian will run into a burning building to save a bunch of puppies who are trapped on the top floor.
00:30:58.000They'll show a picture of Ian standing in the fire holding the puppies, and it'll be like, crazed man holds puppies above flame.
00:31:04.000And you're like, well that's technically true, but he was escaping the fire through the window.
00:31:08.000They'll just frame it however they want.
00:31:09.000So you get, you know, who's gonna write the bio?
00:31:11.000Who's gonna, who's gonna write about the people?
00:31:13.000Um, it's just like during, one of my favorite examples of that occurred during the Rittenhouse case when I believe it was Groyskritts took the stand and what they were reporting on it, I can't remember which outlet it was, but he had brought a gun of his own to try to protect himself from Rittenhouse, even though what he had testified on the stand was that he pulled a gun on Kyle before getting shot.
00:31:32.000Yeah, and he lied, and MSNBC, they were like, he testified that Rittenhouse pulled the weapon on him, and then it was like, actually, he testified he pulled the gun on Rittenhouse, and then Rittenhouse pointed the weapon, so it's just like, the media just chooses to say whatever they want, because I don't think it's necessarily Times v. Sullivan that gives them this power.
00:32:05.000The cops know they can illegally arrest you, but nothing will ever be done about it, so there's nothing to worry about.
00:32:11.000So a good example is there was a photographer in New York by the name of Alex Arbuckle.
00:32:17.000He was standing on the sidewalk taking pictures of cops during an Occupy protest.
00:32:20.000He actually had gone down there to document it from the police's side of things because he felt the media was only covering the protest perspective.
00:32:26.000The police arrested him, filed a false police report, and claimed that he was obstructing
00:32:32.000The officer who actually arrested him wasn't the officer who claimed to have arrested him
00:32:36.000and who had signed the arrest report, and the officer who wrote the, who signed the
00:32:40.000arrest report wrote a fake account of what happened.
00:32:42.000Fortunately, I had been filming, and the National Lawyers Guild, I'm not big fans of them, but
00:32:47.000they got a hold of the footage, which proved the police lied.
00:32:50.000The police officer went on the stand and lied under oath.
00:32:53.000Not a single bad thing happened to any of these officers.
00:32:56.000But the cops know, if you're in their way, they can arrest you and you will go to jail, even if for only a day, because that is the punishment for defying them.
00:34:03.000But they destroy your character so much Eventually, you won't be able to fundraise, you won't be able to start a business, you won't be able to get business partners, people will be terrified of you.
00:34:14.000So you say, I need to sue over these lies.
00:34:16.000The first thing that happens is the court says, Times v. Sullivan, Ian, you're a public figure, did they know they were lying, or did their standard in this procedure violate their typical standards, is my general understanding for Times v. Sullivan.
00:34:38.000As a public figure, it's proving they knew they were lying or that what they did in this instance violated their typical standards for research.
00:34:47.000So if you can get past that, Bro, it's going to take you a million dollars in a year.
00:34:52.000And then, if you can't prove you lost money because of it, they're going to ask you, what are the damages?
00:35:18.000So like, if I make a lie like that, am I, do I have protections or do I need to start a company called like Aardvark News and then just a website Aardvark News and then lie about you under Aardvark News and then I, then I have protection because I made a website called Aardvark News.
00:35:34.000All that matters is you can defend yourself from a lawsuit.
00:35:39.000So when CNN or these big companies, New York Times, have billions of dollars, they will drop an anvil on you, metaphorically.
00:35:47.000So I hope you're ready to defend yourself.
00:35:53.000So Project Veritas has Veritas Legal where they're That's a problem, it's this attrition, the war of attrition when you are planning on losing anyway, you just want to drain the resources of the other person and you know you have way more resources, so you can just wait them out.
00:36:08.000And you may still lose, but they're gonna, like a Pyrrhic victory, they might win on paper, but because the percentage of their army has been decimated, they've basically lost.
00:36:37.000And they're putting in the blinds, and eventually they're getting eaten away at, and they've got to take that risk, and then they take the wrong risk, and they're out.
00:36:42.000But you can also win in those situations, and man, does it feel good to take someone's stack.
00:36:46.000It does, it does, but if you're the last two in a game of Hold'em, and you've got a smaller stack to the guy's bigger stack, you know it.
00:38:24.000So Cassandra Fairbanks, a good friend of ours, she held up the OK hand sign in the White House, which is just the Trump, you know, you know, hey, we're Trump supporters.
00:38:33.000And a reporter accused her of flashing a white supremacy hand gesture.
00:38:38.000It got thrown out on motion to dismiss, I guess, because they're like, like, I think what they said was because she trolls on Twitter, then you can't blame someone for believing you're trolling or something for falling for a troll or something like that.
00:39:25.000But ultimately people are waking up and there's a reason that they have to write pieces and hit pieces on people like Joe Rogan or Tim and that's because old media is scared because people are paying more attention to independent content creators.
00:39:37.000And one of the reasons for that is because it's insane to get your information from people who pay no price for lying to you.
00:39:43.000Walk the dog backwards to the genesis, right?
00:39:46.000And so the genesis, I think, is what they teach in J-School and who decides to be journalists.
00:40:34.000The news organization then hires people.
00:40:36.000These people are business people who want to make money.
00:40:38.000They're told, here's our plan for making money.
00:40:41.000Hire people who believe X, Y, and Z. They then go and find journalists who have written stories about X, Y, and Z and say, how would you like a higher paying job?
00:41:28.000So people are saying, this is it and there's nothing else.
00:41:30.000And they go, okay, this is it and there's nothing else.
00:41:32.000Yeah it's funny you just mentioned a moment ago that some of these people might not necessarily be lying but they're on the same page as all of their colleagues and that's unsurprising but at the same time there was a great moment from Chomsky who I'm not a huge fan of but he made a point when he was on an interview show about how the dominant media culture tends to espouse a specific set of views and you can expect to hear a certain number of You know, legitimized opinions from them.
00:41:58.000And the reporter responds to him by asking him, do you believe I'm insincere in my values?
00:42:04.000And Chomsky said, no, I believe you sincerely hold those.
00:42:08.000I'm telling you, you wouldn't have this job if you didn't.
00:42:38.000I know that each and every one of you who watch this show will be shocked, but not surprised The Washington Post published an opinion piece which reads, Canada must confront the toxic freedom convoy head on.
00:43:24.000And they write this article saying, The Convoy is, by and large, a fringe group, an unfortunate minority, in which the further minority of insidious extremists lurk, bolstered by conservative politicians.
00:43:35.000Time and time again, we learn the lesson, or at least come across it, that teaches us that rage-soaked anti-government types can't be reasoned with.
00:43:41.000This time around, The Convoy has produced an incoherent memorandum of understanding, premised upon a misunderstanding of government, And absurd demands.
00:43:49.000Of course, the memo should be ignored.
00:44:15.000I love that cartoon and part of why is because so as a political cartoonist, you know, sometimes you swing and miss, but I can't imagine doing a cartoon where you like literally just drew a picture and then wrote bad on it.
00:45:50.000But it's like, they're not even, they're not even, it's not even the craziest project I've ever seen.
00:45:54.000It's like people driving trucks, you know, in the United States when they burn down, when BLM burns down cities or whatever, they're like, this is democracy.
00:49:04.000So, Tom, can I ask you, it sounds like working within the system you saw a lot of things that were very disillusioning.
00:49:09.000I'm curious, would you say that you became more pessimistic about the political system or did you maybe become more optimistic about your ability to affect change outside of it?
00:49:20.000Ultimately, where would you say it's placed you?
00:49:25.000I'm on Homeland Security, which is, and this is past tense, but, which is like the worst committee there is.
00:49:30.000It sounds super cool, but like they have no power because everything's a turf war in DC, and it's a new committee, so nobody relinquished any power, so we just go talk.
00:49:37.000I'm on Foreign Affairs, which I fell in love with, which is where they go to warehouse the pro-liberty people.
00:49:41.000Like, how much harm can a legislative branch guy do when he's in an executive branch arena of Foreign Affairs?
00:49:46.000And then I'm on Educational Workforce, and you go to these committee meetings, there's 50 members in the committee, and somebody fact-checked me, it's probably 51 or 49, I don't know them.
00:49:54.000But like, normally there's five or six in the room.
00:49:55.000They come, they do their two-minute talk, they ask some questions, they leave.
00:49:59.000Because we've gotten so far beyond the enumerated powers envisioned by the founders that nobody can carry the bandwidth, and they know nobody cares, which just pisses me off because this stuff matters.
00:50:18.000But so Mike Rowe starts off by saying, I'm Mike Rowe, and I'm a trained professional opera singer, and I know nothing about it in the workforce, but I care passionately about it, right?
00:50:37.000And so that's when I thought, like the Aristotle quote, like, you give me the storytellers, I give you the future.
00:50:42.000And I'm hating Washington from the second day I'm there.
00:50:44.000I'm like, this place is broken beyond my ability to fix it.
00:50:47.000And the coolest thing I've ever done is literally snatch people out of prison against the will of the president and the committee chair and everybody because I wanted to do something that freaking mattered.
00:50:56.000And I thought, son of a bitch, I can do more good telling stories that aren't being told than I can ever do in office.
00:51:02.000That was a lightbulb moment, and it wasn't like, oh, an Exile series was born.
00:51:06.000I didn't know how to make point A reach point B, but I knew that Mike Rowe was more powerful than Nancy Pelosi at that moment.
00:51:19.000Because if you're loud enough and you scream long enough, Washington will do something, but you have to tell the story.
00:51:25.000But let me tell you, cultural enforcement is more powerful than law.
00:51:29.000So the way I explain it is that we have a bunch of laws on the books that no one ever enforces.
00:51:34.000There's books called, like, Silly Laws, you know.
00:51:37.000And there's one where it's like, you can't put a pie on the windowsill on Sundays.
00:51:40.000And it was passed in, you know, 1790 because some guy put a pie on the windowsill, it attracted bears, and then they were like, guys, you gotta stop putting pies on the windowsill, we're gonna write this down.
00:53:25.000but I'm looking at this going, this is horrible.
00:53:27.000So I write the repeal bill, but I carved out to leave it illegal if it was an adult and a minor, right?
00:53:35.000And then the headline was, Garrett's obsessed with teenage sex.
00:53:38.000And I'm like, only when it's my teenager and you're a 40-year-old that we're locking your butt up for that.
00:53:44.000But we took that off the books because, here's the thing, as a former prosecutor, every law that's on the books that's selectively enforced or not enforced waters down the meaning of every law that's on the books that is enforced.
00:53:56.000Because I, as a rational thinking person, will go, why do I obey that law?
00:54:02.000Or they don't enforce that one uniformly.
00:54:04.000But back to your point about, you know, this show or any other show, people need to realize if tomorrow every single person woke up and just said, the U.S.
00:54:14.000dollar is no longer the currency I care about, Bitcoin is, then Bitcoin is currency and the dollar is worth nothing.
00:54:20.000So long as a system has confidence in it.
00:54:22.000So these are really important points for people to understand the philosophy of how our society works.
00:54:27.000When Republicans are like, we're going to get a bunch of judges appointed, I'm like, wow, that's completely meaningless.
00:54:33.000Because when they come out and they get a Supreme Court ruling, the federal judges won't really matter.
00:54:37.000When they come out and everyone on TV says, you're racist, and then GOP members are like, we can't pass that bill, they'll call us racist.
00:54:44.000The cultural enforcement is substantially stronger than any statutory law.
00:54:47.000Yeah, I remember having a conversation with you a while ago.
00:54:49.000I think it was around the time we first met, but you made a good point that as long as you change the language, you don't actually have to change law.
00:54:56.000So I think this was off the heels of the civil rights laws being interpreted as saying you had to cater to certain delusions with respect to transgenderism, which is certainly not what was intended back in the 1960s.
00:55:09.000But because our cultural understanding shifted, it was argued that this law was actually meant to be enforced in a very specific way.
00:55:17.000Well, so, just, sorry to interrupt, but the specific point you're offering, just so people, and then I'll throw it back to you, but is, if the 1964 Civil Rights Act says, you know, you can't discriminate against, you know, the basis of sex or whatever, or they say, you know, women have the right to X, Y, and Z, equal to men, if those laws in the books use the word woman, But then later on, you have a major cultural push to change the definition of the word woman.
00:55:59.000You do want something there, but it's really shaping hearts and minds.
00:56:04.000And this is a huge reason why I think it's good to just stay away from Hollywood entertainment generally.
00:56:11.000Even if there's not anything in it that you think is particularly morally objectionable, a lot of these stories are written by people who hate you and hate your family and hate your way of life and want to reshape the country.
00:56:21.000And the idea that the kinds of stories that they tell aren't at all going to have their worldview bleed into it and influence you on some level is just ridiculous in my opinion.
00:56:27.000When you say they hate you, you mean that more that they... Your way of life.
00:56:31.000They work counter to your belief in like what like, because they don't know you.
00:56:35.000So they don't know you as an individual person, but also the idea, so let's say you have a Christian or a Trump supporter or a conservative who's listening to this right now, there are many screenwriters in Hollywood who would say, I do hate that type of person.
00:56:48.000Well, you said they don't know you, but they think they know you.
00:56:52.000Well, that's exactly going back to your reference of this show, and we can, you know, mention many other shows, be it, you know, Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder.
00:57:01.000The pro-life movement is a really good example.
00:57:02.000There was this really funny thing that happened we were talking about where this Democratic congressman said, if pro-lifers or if Republicans think that life begins at conception, then I'm going to pass a bill that makes men financially responsible for babies starting at conception.
00:57:39.000They think they know you based on media manipulation from people like Rachel Maddow who lie, who make things up.
00:57:46.000And not just people like Rachel Maddow.
00:57:48.000I think more importantly, the people who make films and television shows who work conservative characters into them, who act that way.
00:57:56.000So the sodomy bill repeal, and I've overcharacterized it, I think it was less broad than anything other than the missionary between a man and a woman.
00:58:02.000But a friend of mine named Adam Ebbin, who was the first openly gay man in the Virginia Senate, who's a Democrat, I go to Adam and I'm like, I'm going to do the sodomy bill repeal, I want you to co-patron it with me.
00:58:56.000I want them to be happy now. I'm a person whose life has been changed by God's grace
00:59:00.000That's my belief instruction belief structure. But what I really want because happiness is like more valuable than
00:59:06.000gold dude. It's it's so rare There's a, probably an urban legend, but they say that, it's a Reddit post, it was like, when John Lennon was a kid, his teacher said, what do you want to be when you grow up?
00:59:18.000And he wrote down in his assignment, happy, and the teacher said, you've misunderstood the assignment, and he said, you've misunderstood life.
00:59:30.000Hey, you made an interesting point that cultural enforcement overweighs law, and I think that's because law is a type of cultural enforcement.
00:59:48.000People say that law and politics are downstream of culture, and there's truth in that, but I think it's much more cyclical, because the laws that we have do influence the way people think.
00:59:58.000So you were mentioning this earlier about how certain outdated laws in the books that are no longer enforced, or laws that people don't care about, actually shape a person's understanding of other laws, and I think on some level we could argue that that's cultural.
01:00:29.000So any law that's on the books, that's not uniformly enforced to the best of our ability to enforce it should be off the books or enforced or changed.
01:00:39.000I agree with these illegal immigrants, and I respect them infinitely more than these leftists in this country who are like, America, it's racist.
01:00:47.000I'm like, you got dude from South America traveled 2,000 miles risking his life because he was like, America, man.
01:01:15.000I'm like, okay, can we pick half a million people and swap for half a million freedom-loving Cubans?
01:01:21.000Send the communists to Cuba and bring the Cubans over here.
01:01:24.000No, yeah, but then also I'd be remiss not to mention a number of the people who are crossing the border are those gang members who the other people crossing the border are running from.
01:01:32.000My underlying point, though, is that it's nobody's fault but our own, right?
01:02:58.000So, in Tennessee, it was a huge outrage because these lawmakers found out that the Biden administration was getting these military flights from Air Force bases, I think, and putting underage migrants on them and trafficking them.
01:03:21.000They abuse and harm children in very extreme and disgusting ways.
01:03:25.000There's a story of one guy just chucking a kid off a boat into the river, just like a baby, I think it was.
01:03:31.000And the reason they're doing it and able to do it is because the Biden administration has basically said, if you bring those people here, we'll take care of it for you.
01:03:40.000If the Biden administration said, you show up, we got a pair of handcuffs with your name on it, they'd be like, guys, it's really difficult to do this.
01:04:14.000Yeah, but that's why, you know, I look at that.
01:04:15.000I look at the judges in the Pennsylvania story and I'm just like, the United States has been eviscerated.
01:04:22.000I don't even know if I can blame, like you were saying earlier, you blame us basically for letting this happen.
01:04:26.000I see migration as part of our special history.
01:04:30.000You know, since the dawn of time, people have, no one really cares about the border unless it's a river and you can't get across it.
01:04:36.000People have always cared about borders.
01:04:39.000I guess the point would be, though, that you have to, if you want to call yourself a country, be able to define that.
01:04:46.000But again, the argument is always conflated with that which casts your opponent in the worst possible light, right?
01:04:55.000So what we miss is illegal immigration, right?
01:04:57.000There are real arguments to be made for the amount of people in the workforce and the needs of the workforce, etc., etc., and that they might be addressed By loosening and tightening the flow of inflow, right?
01:05:09.000We're lucky enough to live somewhere where people want to come.
01:05:15.000And then it's parroted from the hilltops, the mountaintops, by sort of a complicit messaging organization that's job literally is to do that.
01:05:22.000Very interesting when you're standing at the wall saying you can't come in and they're like starving and begging you and you're like, it's for your own good and for my own good, you cannot come.
01:05:32.000And they're like, please God, let me in.
01:05:35.000Well, it's the responsibility of a nation-state to ensure the needs of its people are met first and foremost.
01:05:40.000I believe that you should, as a country, care for the needs of others, if possible, but you can't do it at the expense of the well-being of your own people.
01:05:57.000I mean, truly, there's a timeline here, because how many people are still sitting in Afghanistan?
01:06:02.000I know Americans But let's say a terrorist organization, you know, surrounds a vehicle with some Americans in it, captures them, and then makes a ransom demand.
01:06:20.000I mean, you had the missionaries kidnapped in Haiti recently, and I can't get into the backstory on how that release was secured, but, you know, the protocols change over time, is all I can say.
01:06:31.000And, you know, what I used to say with young children was, you can't feed the monster, because if you feed the monster, it's hungrier next time.
01:06:41.000So, do you know what Spain and Germany are known for doing when their citizens are taken hostage?
01:06:55.000So maybe protocol has changed, but what we were told and what I've learned and generally my travels, you know, going to like Turkey and stuff.
01:07:03.000The United States doesn't negotiate with terrorists, and they basically say, these guys in these countries know that if they take you and find out you're an American citizen, they'll typically be like, get away from me.
01:07:14.000Because the Americans, you know, some black helicopters will be over your house, you know, over your building in a day or two, and they'll kill you and your family.
01:07:23.000So it's the Israeli response to Munich, right?
01:07:25.000And what it does is it begets less of that in the future.
01:07:28.000But I'm telling you, without saying stuff that I can't say because I might
01:07:32.000compromise the safety of people who I hold in high regard and without saying stuff that might
01:07:36.000keep your podcast from getting ganked, that the paradigm may have shifted. Even worse, we're
01:07:42.000giving money to people who are holding Americans without getting anything for it.
01:08:26.000Now, what you learn after the fact is these guys are the Americans rescuing you.
01:08:30.000and what they said was these are these are like former intelligence guys these are former uh like special forces and they were like if they were like if any of you you know we're all americans are kidnapped play it safe stay alive you will be rescued however you know you you probably they said the likelihood that us americans get kidnapped is lower because americans will execute the individuals who kidnap you and their families it is extremely brutal when they kick that door in nobody nobody rescued daniel pearl i mean it's you know i mean You think they let that guy get killed for propaganda?
01:09:47.000And so it was said by the British government that anyone who brings us a cobra tail will be paid.
01:09:55.000And they thought this is going to help us eliminate the cobra population.
01:09:57.000Well, what actually happened was people started cobra breeding operations and then started killing the cobras and bringing their tails and the problem got worse.
01:10:08.000So we had no hunting on Sundays in Virginia, but we were paying bounties for people to kill coyotes.
01:10:13.000Except if you killed a coyote on a Sunday, you'd committed a crime.
01:10:16.000And I'm like, hang on, we're spending tax dollars to incentivize this six days a week, but we're prosecuting people for doing it on the seventh.
01:10:23.000And again, coming from somebody who's saved by grace, like, you know, I'm a Christian, but like, explain to me this law again.
01:10:29.000You know, you were saying earlier that our behavior towards terrorism, how we deal with terrorist changes, and I see that like in Afghanistan.
01:10:36.000They say, we don't negotiate with terrorists, yet we will surrender to them.
01:10:39.000Well, I was going to say how you define terrorist changes, because 20 years ago, the idea that we would be placating the Taliban and sending them money while there were literally hundreds of Americans Who are being held against their will, despite what Psaki tells us, in Afghanistan is unthinkable.
01:11:19.000So I so want to talk about Exile series because these are the guys that yeah, let's let's let's let's talk about this Here's here's what we have this Indiegogo you launched and here's what I find truly interesting about this So this is your exile documentary series exposing the global crisis of religious and ethnic persecution but the first thing I want to talk to you about is you're trying to shop this documentary series around to these networks and And they're telling you outright, yeah, but can you do it without criticizing China?
01:11:55.000And I'm like, this is my exact words the first time I heard this, where, you know, we could do a Beatles doc without talking about John, but it would suck.
01:12:01.000So what so first tell us what this is like that give us the elevator pitch on what it's about and then you know, why why China?
01:12:09.000You know why they're upset about your Chris no human being should have to live in the place of their birth with fear that stems from their faith and their ethnicity or race, their sexuality or what have you.
01:12:19.000This is a human fundamental right to live without fear in the place of your birth. Now if you
01:12:24.000want to move, move. I was in Syria speaking to some members of the Christian community from
01:12:28.000the Kaaba River Valley and a representative and I said if I could give you anything,
01:12:31.000which I can't, that you want, what would it be? And he's like send all the Christians back and
01:12:35.000I'm like hell no, no never. But I would like to help make a world where they didn't have to fight
01:12:40.000like hell to leave to begin with, right?
01:12:42.000Nobody should have to live in fear based on deeply held convictions or immutable character traits.
01:14:09.000So I definitely want to get into that in detail, but how is it that China plays a role in this, and why is it that... I mean, I imagine you criticize America to a certain degree.
01:14:40.000Everybody wants to boycott the Beijing Olympics.
01:14:44.000Maybe we should, but that ship has sailed.
01:14:46.000What would be freaking awesome It's for one of these amazing young men and women who's worked their whole lives to be so good at this as to earn a gold medal, to use that podium in Beijing to stand up for freedom and human dignity.
01:15:25.000We're pouring money and fuel onto the propaganda fire that is the CCP, that is literally... So I'm doing a Fox News interview, right?
01:15:34.000You think they're playing to the right, and they go, well, on the screen are the 10 biggest offenders of religious freedom, and I'm like, hold on.
01:15:39.000How do you have that list without China on it? I mean, everybody's sold their souls.
01:15:43.000Dude, it's the Uyghurs at the tip of the iceberg. So they've been organ harvesting from the
01:15:47.000Falun Gong in China for decades. There's two churches in China. There's the state-sanctioned
01:15:52.000church that does as they're told. And then there are the people who huddle in—and this is not
01:15:55.000hyperbolic—who huddle in fear in their kitchens in groups of two, three, five,
01:16:01.000because they want to actually learn the gospel, right?
01:16:05.000So the Chinese are the absolute worst because why?
01:16:08.000Because for communism and totalitarianism to succeed, the state must be paramount.
01:16:13.000And faith, whether it's Judaism or Islam or Christianity, says that there's something bigger than you and me and indeed the state and the government.
01:16:20.000That's why Jesus was such a threat to the empire.
01:16:42.000I can't remember the specific details on what they're told to believe.
01:16:45.000Yeah, all I know is that she came out of there not knowing what love was because they had so thoroughly brainwashed her and there's no chance of developing any kind of faith outside the state in a place like North Korea.
01:16:54.000Where are some of the hot spots around the globe as you've been studying this?
01:16:57.000So, Nigeria's been horrible for 20 years and it's never talked about, right?
01:17:04.000I did eight months in a tent in Bosnia during Operation Joint Guard, Joint Endeavor, largely because Christiana Lamport told us truly, and she was right, how horrible it was when 8,000 Muslims were massacred at Srebrenica and half a million people are murdered in Rwanda over ethnicity before the U.S.
01:17:21.000and the world get up off their hands, right?
01:18:07.000They fought, bled, and died next to Americans and British soldiers.
01:18:10.000And then the war ended and we said, yes.
01:18:12.000Yes, anyway, and left, and the Burmese Civil War started in like 1947 and it's still ongoing, right?
01:18:20.000Right, and so you hear about the Rohingya, but also there are the Kachin and the Wa and the Karen, and so this has been going on for generations.
01:18:30.000Modi has absolutely weaponized faith because he understands that even though they have 240 million Muslims and millions of Christians and even a Jewish community, etc.
01:18:38.000in India, that they've got 870 million Hindus, so it's a big we-they paradigm.
01:18:43.000If you're an Ahmadi Muslim in Pakistan, that is Muslims who believe that there have been subsequent prophets after the Prophet Muhammad, you'll be murdered in public and often without recourse.
01:18:53.000If you're a Christian in Pakistan, the Christians in Afghanistan now, and we're talking about tiny slivers, right?
01:18:58.000Again, the formulaic sort of totalitarian game is to pick a minority group big enough that everybody thinks they know somebody from it, but small enough that it can't defend itself.
01:19:07.000What are they doing to Christians in Pakistan?
01:19:10.000There was a great story about a pastor, Sahel Lateef, who I was able to tangentially help, who was locked up because he was advocating for the rights of the impoverished in Karachi.
01:19:20.000Not just Christians, but Muslims as land grabbers came in saying, Oh, this is the next place that we want to invest.
01:19:26.000And then systematically, essentially did title fraud on all these people who had like 10 square feet.
01:19:31.000And so, Sohail Lateef's speaking up for him and they put him in prison and shut down his church, right?
01:19:36.000So, like, it's brave just to be a Christian there, to be a Christian who stands up and leads, so it's even, it's even, it's arguably stupid.
01:19:44.000But the backstory was when he got out, immediately they said, well, you need to move.
01:19:48.000I mean, he shouldn't have to move, right?
01:19:50.000So that's how I was, if we tell these stories, right?
01:19:52.000I'm a naive guy because it's a lot easier to be naive than to be worldly.
01:19:57.000If we tell these stories, I think that the people of the West won't tolerate it.
01:20:01.000If the people of the West demand their leaders act differently, then they will act differently.
01:20:04.000And if they do act differently, we can change the world without putting boots on the ground, without spending money.
01:20:09.000Do you want to do economic and security business with the U.S.?
01:20:54.000So if we are able to do Exile at ExileSeries.com, if we are able to do Exile, we'll do an episode here in this country because we do have very real problems with prejudice and discrimination, right?
01:21:04.000They're not necessarily what have been identified by the groups that claim to speak for the oppressed groups.
01:22:28.000I'm gonna guess that if you say to Turkey, you can go be with the Soviets or you can be with us, but the price of being with us is not oppressing your minorities, that they're still with us.
01:23:41.000I'm not, you know, I think there's a happy medium between like boots on the ground in a foreign country because of their concentration camps like China.
01:23:49.000And hey, China, we decided not to buy those, you know, cloths from you because you have concentration camps.
01:23:55.000This is totally liberty-based foreign policy.
01:23:58.000I'm not advocating for boots on the ground anywhere.
01:24:00.000I'm advocating for not doing business with oppressors, right?
01:24:04.000Now, things will happen that we will not know about, and things will happen on varying scales, and certainly hard and fast rules are tough sometimes, but we have absolutely positively turned a blind eye over decades, and the world knows it.
01:24:18.000If, and this should, like here's the thing, I'm tired of the partisan back and forth rhetoric that they're wrong and we're right and this and that and the other.
01:24:25.000We should be able to unite under the idea, right?
01:24:27.000This is what ExileSeries.com is all about.
01:24:30.000That you should be able to live in the place of your birth without fear.
01:24:33.000Left and right should be able to get behind that.
01:24:35.000And if the cost of it is that we choose to do business with people who treat their minority groups and their majority with basic human dignity, right?
01:24:46.000But we don't, because nobody's ever said... I guess then the solution, or maybe you're suggesting economic sanctions against countries that... No, just don't do business with them.
01:24:54.000Yeah, I guess that's... But you're talking about instead of the government, it's more of an individual choice, like you're inspiring individuals to... So when I buy a clock radio, to this day, and I don't buy clock radios anymore because it's 2022, but I'm old.
01:25:05.000But so when I buy a product, to this day, I'm going to look on the box and try to ascertain where it's made.
01:25:08.000And if I can buy a product that's made in Malaysia before I buy a product that's made in China, I'm buying the product made in Malaysia.
01:25:13.000And if I can buy a product that's made in the United States and I pay a little bit more, to be fair, I'm going to buy that one too.
01:25:20.000When I was in the military I used to say I don't want to pay for the bullet that might be used to shoot me because another little secret of the Chinese is the actual military apparatus owns a lot of the means of production.
01:25:29.000So if you're in the American military and you're buying products made in China, you ironically enough are paying for weapons that will be pointed at you.
01:25:38.000So yeah, it starts with the individual.
01:25:41.000I mean, just with all the coups that we funded and everything that's gone on in the Middle East and how we end up fighting rebel groups that we funded, so it's like, yeah, ultimately American troops are just gonna inevitably be shot with bullets that they paid for.
01:25:52.000And without gratuitously piling onto the debacle that was the Afghanistan withdrawal, it is not a question of if but when Americans are killed with American weapons.
01:26:39.000That should be the clarion call, they buried the lead.
01:26:42.000We talk about the Uyghur Muslims concentration camps fairly frequently, and it's remarkable how, for one, a lot of people don't know, and a lot of people do, literally don't care.
01:26:54.000Like I said, look, I know it's not easy for the average person to find that solution, but try to buy American, even if it costs a little more, and there's a happy medium, like I said, between invading the country, declaring war, and just being like, you know, you shot that Disney movie?
01:27:08.000In the province with the security force of concentration camps.
01:27:12.000No, but people don't don't know or care.
01:27:14.000Yeah, well, and if everything I was discussing earlier, you know, the fact that these Hollywood screenwriters and executives at these studios actually hate you and your way of life isn't enough to encourage you to stop purchasing their products.
01:27:26.000They're also in league and catering to people who are running actual concentration camps.
01:27:46.000And if you go to xlseries.com, shameless plug, and you click on that trailer, and you don't think that's freaking world-class product, right?
01:29:46.000Well, so like the left used to rail against the corporations and now their agenda is funded by and at some level dictated by the corporations, but we won't go down that road.
01:29:54.000Um, and they used to stand up for free speech and now, you know, you must adhere to the orthodoxy.
01:30:03.000It's remarkable how one of the points brought up by one of our Super Chatters the other day was that they say black people can't be racist, but Candace Owens is racist.
01:30:17.000It makes no sense on purpose, I suppose, but sure, whatever.
01:30:20.000When I went into Sudan against everyone's wishes and snatched these two guys out and met them at the airport, I didn't take a camera crew because I'm a crappy politician.
01:30:27.000Because I felt like it would be dirty to do that.
01:30:29.000But meanwhile, I'm being called a racist.
01:30:33.000I'm literally risking my life again and again and again, as a white Christian male, for people of different races, ethnicities, and faiths.
01:31:36.000If the Catholic church actually devised a plan to manipulate people, that's evil.
01:31:40.000Well, no, but you're saying it's too divisive about good and evil.
01:31:43.000Like, what's wrong with talking good and evil?
01:31:45.000Because if you're the one that gets to decide what's good and what's evil, and you tell people, like, this is evil, then you're controlling people's behavior.
01:31:52.000But you're saying what the church is doing is evil.
01:31:56.000You guys should have a conversation later on.
01:31:58.000Seamus has told me that I shouldn't consume product from Hollywood, but I've already made a lock stock reference earlier, and I'm about to quote Kaiser Sosay.
01:32:10.000So until you can identify some baseline for right and wrong, right?
01:32:16.000Liberty is ultimately allowing your freedom stops where mine starts, allowing people to make any decision they want to for themselves until it begins to impact others.
01:32:23.000And so what I'm advocating for is a world where we can all do that.
01:32:29.000But when you start hurting other people, then we have a duty, I think, particularly people lucky enough to be born here, to say, no, no, I can't support it.
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01:33:28.000Jamis Tefferson says, hello, I'm from PA and appreciate you covering this news as actual journalists with a broader perspective than the local stations.
01:34:19.000Yeah, I mean, we have certain moral intuitions, and again, human perception doesn't define whether something is good or evil, but I think it's a good point, because we wouldn't say, for example, if every single person in this room was able to observe that there was this water bottle here, we wouldn't say, well, but we don't actually know for sure the water bottle's there, because our senses could be deceiving us, yet we tend to do the same thing with morality.
01:34:43.000You can do whatever you want until my liberty stops.
01:34:45.000Well, I think for a libertarian analysis, but I would also say with morality, we have an obligation not to harm ourselves and to take care of ourselves, etc.
01:34:52.000I'm thinking about it from the perspective of the CCP.
01:34:54.000Like, are they saying the Uyghurs are harming us by existing?
01:34:57.000Just their existence is a threat to our species?
01:35:02.000Their value structure is a threat to the regime, right?
01:35:05.000I think they're the Borg and they're evil.
01:35:08.000Yeah, that's what it looks like from this perspective.
01:35:13.000But from their perspective, the Uyghurs are a threat to their way of life.
01:35:16.000Another thing that's been going on is back before they got rid of their one-child policy, they weren't adhering to it in the rural outlying areas anyway.
01:35:23.000And the Han Chinese are like, if you want real racism, Right, so the Uyghurs aren't Han Chinese, and they don't want more of those people thing with them.
01:35:48.000I would, I'd have to defer to Carrie on that if she were still here.
01:35:51.000According to a lot of people I've spoken to who either were former Mormons, it's something that has occurred but not necessarily within the church or not something that the church endorses anymore.
01:36:02.000I think the fact that you have to like go back on a teaching, and this is with all due respect by the way because I actually do appreciate your super chat and I'm not just like here to bludgeon you for disagreeing with me and obviously you know more about Mormonism than I do and there's plenty I could learn about it from you.
01:36:16.000But I would say that a church having to say, we speak for God, but God was wrong about this, or we were wrong about this, is an indicator that it's not the true church.
01:36:23.000So for it to change its position on polygamy is actually condemning in and of itself.
01:36:27.000But wait, you're saying that if any kind of church reforms, then that is satanic, that is evil?
01:36:33.000So if the church— Satanic. I don't know if that's the right word.
01:36:35.000So no, it's a good question because there can sort of be like administrative changes
01:36:39.000or there can be changes in terms of what practices are occurring, but if a religion says, this
01:36:44.000is immutable morality from God, and then later on they change it, then they're basically
01:36:49.000saying either A, God changed his mind, and I believe that that's an incoherent idea,
01:36:55.000or B, like God changed his mind about fundamental morality, or B, we got it wrong in the first
01:37:00.000place in which case why do you trust them to get it right now?
01:37:03.000Did you think that Lutheranism was a heresy?
01:37:49.000I just did like two takes and there are a few sour notes in there You know what happens like I'm not I'm not the greatest singer in the world or anything like that But I can I can get it just take me like you know six or seven takes to get a good run-through and We should be having a few songs coming out soon I think we might even have like we might end up with like five songs all at once ready to go and then make some videos for them and And, uh, we're talking with some of our good friends about producing music.
01:38:12.000One of the things I really want to do is send one of our tracks to, uh, The Daily Wire and see if Ben Shapiro could drop some violin on it.
01:38:20.000And then, uh, you know, like, Sidney Watson plays piano and sings, and then Jack Posobiec plays bass, and, uh, James O'Keefe sings.
01:38:26.000So I'm like, why don't we just, like, ask people to do a quick recording, and then we'll throw it in the mix, and then we'll have this crazy song of all of these different, you know, people.
01:38:34.000First of all, you should invite Ben Shapiro to rap.
01:39:22.000DJ White says, what if we removed names and parties from the ballot and instead put issues on the ballot and whomever matches the position on that issue gets the vote?
01:40:09.000Dude, of course I couldn't get a vote on that one either.
01:40:12.000So what the bill said was that we were entitled to, without sleep, five minutes per page or one minute per page per piece of legislation before it was brought to a vote.
01:40:20.000And everyone's like, what are you trying to do?
01:41:30.000JustinForce says, the media cheered when demonstrators risked derailing a train by setting fire to the tracks, but call it fascism to use peaceful non-compliance against the government.
01:41:39.000That should be the greatest wake-up call.
01:41:42.000Take that cartoon showing working class people protesting, where it says they're fascists, and share it with your friends and family.
01:41:47.000And then when you have a family member who's like, I don't believe this, I watch CNN, be like, do you think it's fascist if working class people are fighting back against the elites?
01:42:20.000They are protecting the jobs of fascists.
01:42:23.000So, Lydia, you said you checked my Twitter, and so I got called out by Dinesh D'Souza because I tweeted at one point, like, anti-fascism is something I think we can all get behind.
01:42:36.000And Dinesh D'Souza goes, now we've got conservative Republicans saying they're part of Antifa.
01:42:39.000And I'm like, no, literally, I think anti-fascism is something we could all get behind.
01:43:48.000And at the very most, you look at what the Romans would do, which is just take families and tribes and cities worth of people that were trying to migrate across the river and kill them all.
01:43:56.000So like... Yeah, no, no, no, we don't do that.
01:44:34.000So when everybody was being driven out of the Middle East by ISIS, Turkey actually had a wall built between themselves and the Kurdish populations in Iraq, Syria, and Iran, and the EU paid for it.
01:44:52.000Yeah but they like to show videos where like someone skinny and can slip through the bothered fencing and or where it's not complete people walk through it and it's like you this was really funny they'd be like Trump didn't complete any of the wall he only built the fencing where there were already fences and what they don't show you is that the original fence is like a four foot high log on a post yeah and the new the new wall is a three layer barrier and what they don't tell you is that the areas that Trump reinforced were the hot spots where all of the people were constantly coming through.
01:45:21.000So they reinforced the most, you know, the worst spots.
01:45:45.000This is, uh, Murph says, Shamus, another way to think of a nation taking care of their own is a parent who will feed the other kids in the neighborhood, thinking it's charitable, but not feeding their own children.
01:45:54.000This gets back to the principle of subsidiarity, which is that, that which is most appropriate to you is that which is closest to you.
01:45:59.000You have certain responsibilities that you need to fulfill before you go and try to take care of everybody else.
01:46:04.000So part of the devolution away from a brilliant system that we were bequeathed by our founders is not prioritizing those things for which government is actually responsible.
01:46:15.000So when I was doing state work, I would ask myself first, is this appropriate for government?
01:46:21.000But the most important question is at this level.
01:46:23.000Because the county doesn't need an army, but the federal government should probably have one, right?
01:46:41.000Like if you want, and I live in a rural area, if you want the government to, if you want good high-speed internet, don't let the federal government pay for it, right?
01:46:50.000Think about when you try to call the IRS.
01:46:52.000But your county government might have an appropriate role in that.
01:47:40.000And like, I don't know who to believe.
01:47:42.000What I love is in Virginia, we have free Tibet license plates always on cars belonging to people who would never do anything to sanction the Chinese who suppressed and subjugated Tibet.
01:48:20.000We can, we can, we can look, well, we'll have to look at the West Virginia reps and then reach out to them, I suppose.
01:48:26.000It's the problem with politicians, sorry, politicians, is that We'll reach out and be like, hey, we'd love to have you on the show, you know, this thing happened, and they'll say, oh man, we'd love to come on.
01:48:36.000Send an email to this person, and we go, you got it, and then we do, and they never respond.
01:48:41.000Somebody somewhere who is not elected by anyone has read something on the internet where they deem that there's a greater risk than reward from having been on your show.
01:48:50.000This is why, for the most part, I'm just not interested in asking politicians to come on.
01:48:58.000We've reached out to some and they've agreed to.
01:49:02.000And I will say this, we're planning on having Dan Crenshaw on the show.
01:49:05.000We reached out to him and he was like, we'll find a time.
01:49:07.000And then he was like, yeah, I can make it work and respect him for doing it.
01:49:12.000A lot of people are mad at him for a lot of different things that happened in the press, but he's willing to come on the show and talk about whatever and whenever.
01:49:36.000But I tell you, if there is a podcast that is the opposite of TimCast, I'll go on.
01:49:43.000Because this is a story that we should be able to freaking believe in, right?
01:49:47.000Look, the issue right now is, obviously everybody knows, if you ask me, I'm just like, Civil War.
01:49:53.000In whatever form that may take, it's not going to look like it was in the 1800s, but we're here when Joe Rogan, who believes in universal basic income, who supported Bernie Sanders, had him on his show, and often touts, you know, relatively like left social
01:50:09.000policy and left economic policy is called far-right, dangerous misinformation over like one guest.
01:50:15.000Look, they're claiming he's alt-right, far-right and all that stuff and Joe's almost a socialist.
01:50:22.000So it doesn't even matter what the It breaks down to this.
01:50:27.000If the show tells the truth, it's going to be called right-wing.
01:50:30.000If the show lies, it's probably establishment, corporate, or democratic.
01:50:35.000In Mao's China, they would be considered left-wing.
01:50:42.000So stand by for the cancelling of Bill Maher in like 3, 2, 1, right?
01:50:45.000As soon as you start getting out of the orthodoxy, Maybe.
01:50:49.000Or Bill Maher is a fair-weather liberal who waited until it was safe enough, and now he's coming out and criticizing all this stuff two years later because we might be seeing the end of the pandemic.
01:50:58.000So he may just be another corporate shill.
01:51:01.000I just, again though, I mean, we talked about the vaccine, right?
01:51:08.000Donald Trump rams through a vaccine and 1 14th of the time that this historical scientific protocol dictates, right?
01:51:43.000And because of this, It's difficult to have certain conversations on YouTube because YouTube is clearly within one tribe, but you know what?
01:51:52.000But I'm not advocating for a decision either way.
01:51:54.000I'm advocating for a thorough review of the facts, right?
01:51:57.000I said earlier, like the last radio show I did, there was a philosophical argument and the question was, if you can choose between truth and freedom, which do you choose?
01:52:04.000My answer is choose truth, it will beget freedom.
01:52:06.000We're losing truth, therefore it is reasonable to presume that if we lose it, we'll lose freedom.
01:52:30.000Brian says, there has to be a federal law that prohibits media companies from being traded on the stock market, taking the corporate out of corporate media.
01:54:34.000Wait, it is by design, that's what I meant.
01:54:36.000I like playing the Fallout run-through every once in a while.
01:54:39.000If you're going to play Fallout with a really stupid character, because they have a whole new form of dialogue choices when they're really stupid.
01:55:52.000I don't know if I beat the armor class.
01:55:54.000I think what's so insane about that though, the mentioning that Switzerland is neutral, I mean it's a point you have to make nowadays, but the idea that having a border is a political statement is so ridiculous.
01:56:04.000I mean, if we follow down that track for 50 years, it's a one-world utopia where everyone holds hands under the rainbow and all that stuff, right?
01:56:44.000No, somebody who didn't get elected, who shouldn't have the authority, will go, you don't want to do it and here's why, and they're going to be too busy to do their own homework.
01:56:52.000You know who I want to have on the show?
01:56:53.000Who's that lady running for governor in Florida?
01:57:03.000Yeah, she's running against DeSantis in Florida, and she posted something that I thought was really interesting, and I was like, I would love to discuss these ideas.
01:57:12.000It was not that she was wrong about something, it was like, she said something about restoring freedom but being opposed to gun rights.
01:57:18.000And then I was like, I would love to have a philosophical discussion about what that means.
01:57:38.000And should there be a convention of states, we should have an amendment which is just called Second Amendment A. Where it's like, it's basically the exact same language as the Second Amendment, but we just want to make sure everyone's clear on this one.
01:58:15.000Oh, oh, oh hot tar kale Okay, I know this is kind of a broken record But why haven't you had the ADV China guys on a lot of the stuff you talk about on China lines up with them?
01:59:17.000I think the problem in the United States is that we have no community anymore.
01:59:20.000People don't view each other in this country as neighbors.
01:59:23.000They view each other not as neighbors.
01:59:24.000So even though we have a greater umbrella constitution in government, people in certain neighborhoods don't view their other neighborhood neighbors as friends.
01:59:33.000People don't view other politics as Americans.
01:59:35.000A judge in Pennsylvania says, you're a Republican, so we rule against you.
01:59:38.000And it's just, I've been finding since the internet video age that I have more in common sometimes with like an Australian guy that I meet.
01:59:44.000And I'm like, well, you're just a smart person.
01:59:48.000Rather than just because I was born next door to that guy who I went to high school and school with kids that I don't even ever see anymore.
01:59:55.000They're like, I don't stay in touch with them just because I was from there.
01:59:59.000You know, so it's out of this global homogeneity, borders, culture and language.
02:00:02.000Well, culture is dispersed throughout the globe now.
02:00:05.000Language, almost everybody speaks English.
02:00:07.000So other than the borders, what's keeping this unifying this country?
02:01:03.000And this may mean that no politician ever wants to come on again.
02:01:07.000If we reach out to a politician and they don't respond, we'll just tell everyone, we reached out to this politician to come on the show, they didn't respond.
02:01:14.000If they do and then they don't show up, we'll say that.
02:01:17.000And if they do and they do show up, well, you'll see them on the show.
02:01:19.000And then we can start being like, you know, I'll say it like this.
02:01:23.000We reached out to politician so-and-so, they're under no obligation to give us their time, they're very busy, but they did not respond to our request to have him on the show.
02:01:32.000I'm not trying to dictate that we're owed anything like that, but there's a lot of people we've invited on the show, and I'm sure people would want to know who we did invite and why they didn't respond or didn't end up coming on.
02:04:22.000Yeah, I'm really excited to hear about this series and I hope this documentary really takes off.
02:04:25.000I hope all of you guys will go over and check out ExileSeries.com and see what Tom's been up to.
02:04:31.000Very hard work, very interesting, neat, challenging stuff.
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