Darryl Davis is a jazz musician, author, lecturer, and race reconciliator. He s been described as the "Jazz Godfather" of hip-hop, and one of the most influential people in the jazz community. But is he also a racist?
00:00:04.000We have this story out of Maryland and Portland where pregnancy centers, they're centers for helping women who are pregnant and are, you know, having doubts or having issues or need support.
00:00:17.000Because they're pro-life, they've been ransacked by pro-abortion activists.
00:00:23.000And man, the violence and just the anger, it just keeps getting worse.
00:00:30.000I feel like people are becoming more absolute in their positions and unwilling to compromise.
00:00:33.000I think most people probably can see that as well.
00:00:37.000Another element of the story is that these activists, a different group of activists or a similar activist group, published the addresses of several Supreme Court justices because they're upset about the leaked draft on Roe v. Wade.
00:00:50.000Jen Psaki essentially said Joe Biden doesn't care that they don't care that it's happening.
00:00:55.000And also, Joe Biden has no position on abortion restrictions.
00:01:03.000So you've got now, I think Tim Ryan in Ohio said, abortion, no restrictions, none of our business.
00:01:21.000And then in that, in line with that and the other big news from the past week or so, Elon Musk, Tesla has announced they will cover the costs of women to travel out of state to get abortions, which somehow involves Elon Musk again.
00:01:33.000So we're going to talk about censorship.
00:01:35.000Elon Musk, there's a story where apparently they're claiming Trump Good afternoon.
00:02:12.000I guess the big story around you, aside from the fact that you're a famous jazz musician, is that you actually de-radicalized Klan members.
00:02:19.000Well, I inspire them to de-radicalize themselves.
00:02:40.000Well, this is going to be fascinating because we talk about polarization a lot, and we actually did an event with you, which was really interesting, and it's going to be fun to talk about and kind of understand what happened there.
00:02:49.000But also, we have Bill Ottman of Mines, who can also talk about how you guys are working together on censorship and how censorship is making things worse.
00:03:01.000Daryl and I just recently published a paper together with multiple PhDs and a bunch of researchers called The Censorship Effect, talking about the blowback of censorship, how to facilitate dialogue, and you know, that's what we need more of.
00:04:08.000I just want to say, too, we were late getting up to the studio today because all of us who are supposed to do the soundcheck were so enthralled by what Daryl was telling us.
00:04:14.000So I'm really looking forward to this evening's conversation.
00:04:17.000I know the chat likes to laugh at me for being excited about my guests, but I'm excited about this conversation for sure.
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00:05:24.000Let's get started with this first story.
00:05:26.000I'm gonna start here, actually, and not necessarily jump in with the violent photos, but this is part of the same story.
00:05:33.000White House refuses to condemn activist group who posted home addresses of Supreme Court justices.
00:05:40.000We have another story out of Maryland and Portland, and there are these pregnancy centers where activists went and smashed up the windows and damaged them, ransacked them.
00:05:50.000These are places where they try and talk to women who are pregnant.
00:05:53.000They're called crisis pregnancy centers.
00:05:56.000Well, activists who are associated with the pro-abortion side of things, I guess just hate them, and so they went and vandalized and tagged them up.
00:06:04.000I think seeing stuff like this reach the highest levels, like the White House, where we learned that Supreme Court justices had their addresses posted.
00:06:12.000We've already seen people lose their lives.
00:06:13.000It shows that we're reaching this very extreme level of hyperpolarization.
00:06:17.000So, Daryl, I don't know if you've been following any of the current news about the Roe v. Wade stuff.
00:06:21.000I mean, things have been kind of crazy over the past couple of years, or, you know, Bill, if you've been following this stuff.
00:06:26.000But I think we should get started with this, the modern hyperpolarization, and I'm curious what your thoughts are with, you know, far left, as they would call it, or far right, people fighting in the streets.
00:06:36.000Or how about just this right here, you know, pro-abortion groups smashing up windows and vandalizing buildings?
00:06:42.000Well you know that's been going on for quite some time.
00:06:45.000About probably 30 years ago there was an anti-abortion person who was going up and down the east coast bombing abortion clinics and he got arrested I think down in Florida.
00:07:00.000murdered an abortion doctor in Florida, Dr. Gunn.
00:07:05.000The guy who bombed the clinics lived right in Maryland and I remember I was in bed one night at my girlfriend's house and there was thunder and lightning and she lived right up against the woods and we thought a tree had been hit by lightning Because the whole ground rocked.
00:07:26.000Things fell off the walls, everything.
00:08:05.000It feels like there are political issues that are kind of impossible, in a sense.
00:08:09.000Like, when we talk with people who are pro-life, because we have Seamus on the show periodically, and we have a lot of conservatives, and they're staunchly pro-life.
00:08:17.000Their view of this is, For one, most reasonable people, most people, and particularly like all reasonable people, think bombing an abortion clinic is wrong and killing people is wrong.
00:08:29.000But you have moral questions that arise if the pro-life side genuinely believes that babies are being murdered, then they're trying to stop murder.
00:08:39.000Now, how do you solve for a problem like that if you can't convince someone that it's wrong to bomb a clinic?
00:08:46.000Like, if they believe in their heart of hearts that they're saving babies, I don't know if you can convince them not to commit these acts.
00:08:55.000Well, I think, you know, that if they, they're convinced that you're murdering babies and perhaps they're, you know, they're not, they're separating babies from adults.
00:09:04.000So in their minds, I'm not, I'm not agreeing with them, I'm saying, but in their minds, they're murdering the people who are murdering babies.
00:09:17.000It's like, this is where things are getting interesting because we talked about this yesterday.
00:09:21.000Louisiana has advanced a bill that will make abortion homicide.
00:09:25.000That will legally list it as homicide.
00:09:27.000So this is, I mean, this is a political line that is as hard as a line can be.
00:09:33.000Because once that line is crossed, that means you have serious questions about whether or not someone is justified in using force to stop an abortion doctor from committing an abortion.
00:09:43.000If the act of abortion is homicide, then there's a legal justification to prevent that from happening.
00:09:49.000Regardless of the law, though, there are people who already believe that to be the case.
00:09:53.000I thought the conversation you guys had down in Nashville, sort of theorizing about future technology that could potentially enable a fetus to live at a much earlier age.
00:10:04.000That is a fascinating philosophical conversation that I think people just need to be willing to have because that is what puts it into context.
00:10:15.000Well, the fascinating thing is we had this conversation where I basically asked if there was a way that, from the moment of conception, a baby could be taken from the womb and put into an artificial womb, a machine that would allow it to live, should we then ban abortion to the extent that the baby is killed and only allow procedures to terminate a pregnancy if the baby is allowed to survive?
00:10:38.000The issue with that, I suppose, is Everyone on the right basically says like, oh, okay.
00:10:51.000So, not to get into a technological discussion.
00:10:54.000My question, I guess, is I'm trying to get, what I'm trying to get into is, are there issues we can't mend?
00:11:00.000Are there, you know, just ideas that we're never going to be able to rectify amongst I believe so.
00:11:06.000I mean, you know, we can come close, but there are always going to be issues that will crop up.
00:11:10.000And then, you know, you have what you just proposed there as a possible viable solution.
00:11:17.000But when you have things that are that extreme on the right, that extreme on the left, You know, you're not going to change those people necessarily, but what you can do is uplift the middle.
00:11:27.000When you have that extreme polarization, then what you want to do is strengthen the middle.
00:12:05.000In a fully libertarian system, you have the right to create a socialized system with no problems.
00:12:09.000In a fully socialized system, you've got a lot of checks and balances you'd have to get through to create a system where you're like, I don't want to be a part of that.
00:12:15.000Unfortunately, you have to because you're already part of it.
00:12:30.000We had Jen Psaki talking about Biden refusing to condemn late-term abortions.
00:12:37.000She was asked, I think it was by Ducey over at Fox News, whether Biden was in favor of restrictions on abortions, and she just, you know, hee-hawed around the answer and was like, it's between a woman.
00:12:49.000Woman and a doctor, woman and a doctor.
00:12:51.000So for me, I've always been kind of in the center-left position—it used to be the left, liberal position in this country—of like, in the first trimester, maybe into the second.
00:13:02.000Second and third trimester abortion are kind of just not okay.
00:13:06.000And it's supposed to be safe, legal, and rare, but now you have one side saying, unrestricted, up to nine months, the woman is about to go into labor, the baby can be aborted, and then you have the right saying, ban outright in every circumstance.
00:13:30.000I think part of it depends upon the circumstances as to why a particular woman wants an abortion.
00:13:37.000I'm not saying, I don't believe that all abortions should be illegal.
00:13:42.000I don't believe that all abortions should happen either.
00:13:46.000But I think it depends upon the circumstances.
00:13:49.000If a woman has been raped by a stranger, if a woman has been raped by her father, or it's a young girl, something like that, you know, these are mitigating circumstances.
00:13:59.000It's already bad enough, a rape is bad enough, that that woman is going to remember that the rest of her life.
00:14:22.000You know, that might be a decision for her to make and not for us to make.
00:14:27.000I suppose the issue is, you know, we've talked to a great deal this past week about the abortion, but I think one way to kind of elevate the conversation is, what do you do when you have two competing political factions that have just moved away from each other?
00:14:43.000Well, that's what Roe v. Wade is sort of bringing up in the cultural conversation is like, should local areas make that decision?
00:14:52.000It's almost like that's the solution then to repeal Roe v. Wade or to overturn it.
00:15:07.000I think that, we mentioned this briefly the other day, if you look at the history of the United States and personhood, that we have a tendency to move towards granting more personhood rights than rescinding them.
00:15:18.000That in almost every circumstance, we are continually expanding who gets access to what we deem to be civil rights.
00:15:25.000It wasn't always the case in the United States with racism that people weren't granted full civil rights with women not being able to vote.
00:15:33.000I actually think that based on the trends of this country, we're going to move towards completely banning abortion outright.
00:15:40.000That we'll come to a point where people agree that they're going to say we deem an unborn baby to be a human life guaranteed constitutional protections.
00:15:48.000What was it like before Roe v. Wade, Daryl?
00:15:59.000Yeah, it was always a hot topic and women were, you know, getting abortions in secret, doing it themselves with a coat hanger or having somebody else do it with a coat hanger.
00:16:09.000I remember friends of mine even did that.
00:16:13.000And then there were those who were very vocal about it.
00:16:17.000They would come out and say, yeah, I had an abortion.
00:16:24.000And there were a ton of abortion clinics where you could go and get it done legally.
00:16:32.000And there were always, not always, but a number of times there would be protests out in front of the clinics.
00:16:38.000It was particularly more violent back then, wasn't it?
00:16:41.000In some cases, yeah, like I mentioned, the guy, I forgot what his name was, was Michael something, who went up and down the East Coast bombing the abortion clinics.
00:16:50.000Yeah, you know, that part was violent, and killing doctors who performed abortions, as in Dr. Gunn.
00:16:57.000But not everything was violent, you know, there were a lot of loud vocal protests in front of some of these clinics.
00:17:03.000Let me let me ask you about your view of how things have been going today.
00:17:05.000I mean, there's been a lot in the past several years with the riots of the country over George Floyd.
00:17:36.000It seems to be a more emboldening, if you will, today.
00:17:42.000Like, you know, you see people who used to wear hoods and masks come out there with their burning crosses and now they come out in their regular clothes and express the same views.
00:17:54.000So they don't feel like, you know, they have to hide so much anymore because their jobs are being threatened or whatever.
00:18:00.000We can just get started with your story for people who aren't familiar.
00:18:05.000So just in terms of the context, I want to talk about modern politics and all this stuff and where we are now, but I think your history might lend some understanding to a lot of people.
00:18:15.000You're famous for being the—how did you describe it?
00:18:18.000You inspired people to de-radicalize, the Klan's members.
00:18:23.000Okay, so to give you a little bit of background on myself.
00:18:35.000I began traveling around the world at the age of three in 1961.
00:18:42.000And how it works is you get assigned to a country for two years, you come back here to the States, you're here for a few months, maybe a year, and then you're assigned to another country abroad.
00:18:52.000So my first exposure to school was overseas.
00:18:57.000I did kindergarten, first grade, third grade, fifth grade, seventh grade, and all the schools I went to overseas, this is back in the 1960s, My classmates were from Nigeria, Japan, Russia, Czechoslovakia, Germany, France, Italy, Sweden.
00:19:14.000Anybody who had an embassy in those particular countries, all of their kids went to the same school.
00:19:19.000So that became my baseline as to what school was supposed to be about.
00:19:42.000Okay, well, every time I would come back home, From overseas, back to my own country, the United States, it was like going from color TV to black and white.
00:19:52.000You know, because we did not have that amount of diversity in this country, in our schools.
00:19:57.000When I would come back, I would either be in all black schools or black and white schools, meaning the still segregated or the newly integrated.
00:20:05.000Just because Brown versus the Board of Education desegregated schools in 1954, it didn't mean that integration took place overnight.
00:20:38.000Imagine how much education is lost in five years.
00:20:42.000When you go down there today, people my age, a lot of them are basically functional illiterates because they missed five years of their education.
00:20:49.000If, you know, if they were in third grade, you know, they didn't go back to school until they were in eighth grade, you know, that kind of thing.
00:20:56.000So, you know, you're dealing with that kind of thing.
00:20:58.000So look at kids today who have to go to school over Zoom over the last two years because of the pandemic.
00:21:04.000Some kids did better than others, but a lot of them did not do so well over Zoom because they weren't getting that personal one-on-one education.
00:21:13.000Well, as an aside, too, I don't want to derail too much.
00:21:16.000I think we're going to start seeing something similar because schools have started adopting ideological praxis in their teachings.
00:21:22.000So instead of telling a kid, you know, 2 plus 2 equals 4, they're saying 2 plus 2 equals 5.
00:21:36.000It was the 2.4 plus 2.4 equals 4.8, which is rounded up to 5.
00:21:41.000So if you round down 2.4... I don't know what kind of simplicity mess they were intending, but... It's an issue of tribalism, and it's part of the polarization.
00:21:50.000The idea is that the people on the right started saying, 2 plus 2 is 4, and sooner or later the woke people are gonna say it's not.
00:21:59.000And then a point was being made by, you know, left tribal people where they're like, 2 plus 2 could be 5, here's how.
00:22:07.000And then they say, 2.4 rounds down to 2.
00:22:10.000But 2.4 plus 2.4 is 4.8, which rounds to 5.
00:22:31.000You also have a lot of the critical race theory ideology stuff in schools where the kids are getting more of this kind of social emotional learning as opposed to actually learning stuff.
00:22:39.000Okay, so let's define two terms that you use just so that everybody's on the same page.
00:22:44.000Not just us here, but everybody out here listening to us.
00:23:09.000Critical race theory is basically the, oh man, it gets tough to actually, is that a stink bug?
00:23:17.000Critical race theory is critical theory in a racial context.
00:23:21.000Critical theory is the political theory of the oppressed versus the oppressors.
00:23:25.000With Karl Marx back in the day, his critical theory was that the wealthy oppress the poor.
00:23:31.000The proletariat is oppressed, the bourgeoisie oppresses.
00:23:34.000Kimberly Crenshaw wrote a book called Critical Race Theory which says this doesn't take into context the race, the racial component of the United States.
00:23:41.000Therefore, Critical Race Theory is white people are dominant and they oppress all people of color.
00:23:48.000So Critical Race Theory has several different subsequent schools of thought like intersectionality.
00:23:53.000Critical race praxis is the implementation of these ideas into standardized learning.
00:23:57.000than a black man because there's also sexism plus racism.
00:24:01.000But the sexism plus racism is a different category than the sexism that a white woman
00:25:29.000And his mom goes, why did you put they for all of them?
00:25:32.000And he says, how am I supposed to know if they're boys or girls?
00:25:34.000And she said, didn't you notice their names?
00:25:37.000And he was like, but you said there's no boys or girls in names.
00:25:40.000And so now the kids don't understand basic English grammar because of the practice being injected in the current generation, the current learning systems.
00:25:50.000So, not to derail too much from what you were saying, because now we're getting particularly verbose.
00:25:56.000When you talk about these schools, the first thing I think of is, at this point, schools have become so corrupt in many ways, I think regardless of whether we have them or not, people are going to become functionally illiterate.
00:26:07.000Basically, when you mentioned functional illiterates, I thought of the kid who didn't know how to use pronouns and everything that comprises that problem we're experiencing.
00:26:16.000Assuming that he doesn't know that Janet is a female name or now is androgynous, right?
00:26:25.000Where Janet could be a male name or a female name.
00:26:43.000I think the impossible thing about it is that everything is blended together.
00:26:49.000And so every issue becomes, with intersectionality, the reality is that if you're talking about race, race and gender are different conversations, but yet they're the same conversation.
00:27:00.000And so it makes it really hard to talk about anything.
00:27:33.000I mean, maybe it is for them They're probably having a similar feeling to someone that's actually had a spiritual awakening on a hill meditating for 40 days But it's like a false awakening and people are making fun of it calling it.
00:28:21.000But I also think the woke stuff is manipulative and wrong, for the most part.
00:28:26.000So, you know, we often have people on here and I talk- Well, okay, so for example, when I was in high school, we were taught, in the textbooks, I still got my textbooks, That Robert Perry, Admiral Perry, discovered the North Pole.
00:31:26.000So wokeness doesn't refer to learning the truth.
00:31:30.000Wokeness is typically, I mean, depending on who you're talking to.
00:31:34.000If you're talking to people who are trying to avoid the overt ideologies of either, you know, extremists, any extremist faction, wokeness is typically a pejorative term to reference someone who says, you're white, so you're racist.
00:31:47.000Now, some people might use woke in a more lax manner, like, perhaps towards the angle you're describing it, but based on this show and how we approach things, most people who watch would probably say they're anti-woke, but they completely agree with what you've said, or would completely agree with the idea that Native Americans already were here.
00:33:15.000This is part of a book called Not My Idea, in which grade school children are shown the whiteness contract with a white hand reaching out and a devil tail and goat's feet.
00:33:25.000I think this is wrong, to teach children that white people are inherently evil, inherently oppressors, or inherently racist, that all white people are racist, and this is what woke typically means when we criticize it.
00:33:37.000I think we should tell people that some people are good, some people are bad, and race is not relevant to whether or not someone will be a good or bad person.
00:33:45.000You've got to find out who they are within.
00:34:10.000a white hand reaching out with a whiteness conjugate and devil's tail I
00:34:13.000think is particularly dangerous to be teaching children.
00:34:18.000Okay but now so that's called critical race theory by your definition
00:34:22.000correct? Yes. Okay but there are also people who are calling critical race theory
00:34:28.000teaching the transparent history okay.
00:34:32.000People banning books, not talking about... These are the books being banned.
00:34:38.000Those are not the only books being banned, right?
00:34:40.000They're talking about banning books on Rosa Parks' biography out of schools, not talking about slavery, not talking about, you know, oppression and things like that.
00:34:49.000They're calling that critical race theory as well.
00:34:54.000The challenge with this is I'm not familiar with a book on Rosa Parks being banned.
00:34:58.000And in the experience that we've all had here, and probably most of our listeners, when recently Florida banned math books, the left came out, woke people and said, see, now they're banning math.
00:35:09.000The issue was they were banning the math I explained to you, where the math problem isn't a math question.
00:35:14.000It says how many people are racist, blah, blah, blah.
00:35:17.000So Florida said, we don't want ideological praxis in our math books, we want math problems.
00:35:24.000So when we hear that they're banning books, it's a question of which books, why?
00:35:27.000Well, what we did was we had several experts on who brought the books to us and showed us, this is the easiest and most notable example, saying whiteness is the devil.
00:35:38.000Do you remember about four years ago, the state of Texas, Changed all the public school books.
00:35:46.000They removed the words slave and slavery and changed it to immigrant worker.
00:36:45.000And the New York Times, they have this game called Wordle, where it's every day you try to guess a five-letter word, you literally can't guess the word slave, because it's offensive.
00:37:07.000I think a teacher could say to a more age-appropriate group, take a look at this book and what these people believe about this idea and approach it But there are people who also consider critical race theory showing pictures of the four black people trying to integrate the Woolworth's food counter and having stuff poured on their heads.
00:37:28.000The girl walking, Ruby Bridges, walking into the school with the white people yelling behind her and all that kind of stuff.
00:37:35.000They consider that critical race theory and they don't want their kids seeing that.
00:37:38.000So the issue is These things can exist within the ideology of critical race theory in the context of critical race theory is rooted in Marxist, the Marxist philosophy of oppressed and oppressor.
00:37:53.000And I think when you put a racial tone on that.
00:37:56.000It's extremely dangerous because what they've started doing at Dearborn University in Michigan, they created a POC and non-POC digital cafe, meaning white people only, people of color only.
00:38:10.000In Seattle, they created diversity, equity, inclusion events for POC only, non-POC only, and that's under critical race theory.
00:38:17.000And they justified exactly how you explained it.
00:38:19.000They show racism from the past we all think is wrong and then say, see, shouldn't black people have their own private spaces separate from white people?
00:38:26.000And I say, if people in a private context, you know, within a certain reason, I guess it's fine if you have a private club.
00:38:33.000In public accommodations like universities and libraries, I don't think they should be allowed to force gender segregation.
00:38:44.000They're the ones who actually want to get rid of gender segregation as well.
00:38:46.000Well, just a few years ago, what, maybe four years ago, five years ago, maybe even less, a high school in Mississippi, the principal had two separate proms, a black prom and a white prom, and you were not allowed to have any integrated couples at these proms.
00:39:04.000And was this a critical race theorist who had implemented it?
00:39:10.000They kind of overlap because it wouldn't be surprising if there are cases in the country where there's actual old school segregation, but you sort of have new school segregation and old school segregation coming together.
00:39:21.000So Daryl, like what is your response to the kind of the new... Take a look at this, right?
00:39:25.000I'm willing to bet the story you heard was actually about someone who was woke creating black only spaces like this story we have from Atlanta.
00:39:32.000No, it wasn't a black person creating the segregated... No, no, they're white liberals who do these things.
00:39:38.000There are white progressive women who are overwhelmingly the woke who are creating racially segregated spaces.
00:40:16.000I don't have the book pulled up in front of me.
00:40:18.000One of the arguments that I've heard, at least him be attached to, and I heard quite frequently with the Black Lives Matter protests, was that before desegregation, the black community had their own wealth, their own neighborhoods, and they had their own economy.
00:40:34.000Segregation took a weaker economy in the black community and forced it into the white economy, putting it underneath it, allowing white people to then oppress black industry and black business.
00:40:45.000That is the justification they use for bringing back segregation, the actual argument among the woke that Plessy v. Ferguson was right.
00:40:53.000And I, me, I come from a second-generation mixed-race family who told me the stories of life before Loving v. Virginia and the Civil Rights Act and the things they went through getting spit on.
00:41:03.000I'm sure you know better than even I do, because I grew up after the fact.
00:41:08.000And so when I started hearing the things that were coming out of the modern iteration of the left and critical race theory, I said, those are bad racist things we should oppose.
00:41:16.000Okay, so now let's understand something.
00:41:18.000Okay, so when you say that, you know, they say, okay, all white people are oppressors, all white people are racist, all black people are victims, and they'll always be victims.
00:42:25.000I don't have the computer here to bring it up, but I would say research that.
00:42:29.000That is not, you know, there are several different definitions of critical race theory.
00:42:34.000And so, you know, there's no one universal definition of it.
00:42:37.000I think what happened is that the Romans had a slavocracy that spread into Europe and then into like feudalism.
00:42:44.000So they had still slaves as like their feudal people, the peasants.
00:42:47.000And then they, because their skin happened to be white or light, then they had enslaved people from around the North African coast and the east so that their slaves happened to have different color skins.
00:42:57.000And now because of that, it's created a system where the generations that follow those slaves Had less education and less wealth in the slave owners, but it wasn't because the skin color.
00:43:08.000It just happened to be the Roman Empire happened to be the dominating empire.
00:43:12.000I don't think... Well, you know, the Roman Empire evolved out of Africa.
00:43:28.000And I think that the racial component's been misappropriated to this class issue that we have of, like, the descendants of slaves, like, fifth, sixth, seventh generation slave children of, like, you know, their great-great-great-grandfather was a slave, didn't have any education, so there's no familial wealth, or there's less familial wealth.
00:43:44.000My great-great-grandfather was a slave.
00:44:57.000They just opened the camps after the war, didn't they?
00:44:59.000I don't know the history of that action.
00:45:00.000So I think this country overtly did wrong by putting people in these camps and then realized they did wrong, but I think... They also did wrong by putting people in shackles and selling them on the courthouse steps as property.
00:47:59.000Okay, so Sally Hemings, who was President Thomas Jefferson's slave mistress, Did you know that she was a half-sister to Thomas Jefferson's wife, Martha Jefferson?
00:48:54.000Endless amounts of wealth destroyed, homes ransacked, burned, completely destroyed.
00:48:58.000The country almost collapsed trying to end this.
00:49:01.000So while I still believe That there's an issue of operations in terms of we cannot have, you know, people, you know, I've mentioned systemic racism on this show and people don't agree, but I think it's because people misunderstand what the idea actually is behind it.
00:52:44.000It was in the Bahamas somewhere and he just let his two brothers like Drag women down the street by their hair as they would beat them and rape them and stuff It was hey, I want to confirm a couple things you mentioned earlier from Newsweek.
00:52:54.000There's an article from this is like September 21 Martin Luther King jr.
00:53:00.000And Rosa Parks books among those banned in Pennsylvania School District I didn't read into this article and I don't know why they were banned, but that's an article from Newsweek I'll tell you, here's the challenge.
00:53:09.000Very quick, the other thing is Sally Hemings is apparently the half-sister of Jefferson's wife, Martha Wales Jefferson.
00:53:16.000One of the challenges with any cursory story about banning books is that we recently had a book banned in a bunch of schools called Genderqueer.
00:53:25.000The Washington Post and the New York Times wrote that it's just a story about growing up queer and a story that kids need.
00:53:31.000But the book actually also displays graphic images of sex between what is probably minors, and Amazon rates it as being 18 up.
00:53:40.000When you hear the story, just in passing or on the surface, if you actually read the New York Times and the Washington Post, they won't tell you why the book was actually banned.
00:53:50.000They'll simply say anti-trans or anti-queer bigots banned the book because they're banning books.
00:53:56.000You then actually open the book and say, whoa, they wanted middle schoolers to see blowjobs?
00:54:00.000Yeah, I don't know about that, but that's actually in the book.
00:54:02.000I can't show you the book on YouTube, because we'd get banned if we showed it.
00:54:05.000So, Tim, can you confirm that there's kind of a split within critical race theory between these two different camps that Daryl's talking about?
00:55:01.000You start with this very aggressive approach, and then when someone actually investigates and calls you out, you retreat, saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's just about the true history of this country.
00:55:10.000So, for someone like me... The true history of this country is this country was built on racism.
00:55:16.000Well, it was... I mean, the world itself is still just racist, but the United States... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no There is discrimination in the world.
00:55:31.000For example, in Northern Ireland, here in our country, if you're Catholic and I'm Protestant, there's no big deal.
00:55:50.000I'm not gonna try to be an expert on the Irish Republicans and the Protestants and Catholics and the Orange Order or anything, but at least having been there and covered this, Both sides of this.
00:56:00.000It's not about Protestant or Catholic.
00:59:15.000No, I'm not familiar with the history of it.
00:59:17.000I know the name, but I'm not familiar with all the... She was a eugenicist, and one of her... We can't say the name of the project she created because it uses an iteration of the N-word, which would get us in trouble on YouTube.
00:59:28.000But her idea was to go around to the black community and start propagating birth control practices to stop black people from having kids.
00:59:40.000There was a big scandal back in the fifties where doctors were systematically giving women hysterectomies in order to cut down the black population.
00:59:53.000And you don't find that out until, you know, 20, 40 years later, just like the Tuskegee experiment, just like Agent Orange, you know, the government doing all these kinds of things and you don't find out about it until much later.
01:00:06.000Yeah, or like Pfizer data dumps and stuff like that.
01:00:09.000They wanted to wait 75 years to give that information out.
01:00:26.000Yeah, it's instead of like people sending their kids to a public school every year that costs a certain amount of money, instead you get a voucher for that amount of money that you can spend at any school of your choice or homeschooling, if you set up a homeschooling curriculum.
01:00:44.000Also, it was very vague, and I don't know if I described it exactly right, but it's the idea that instead of having to adhere to a public school system or private, that you would get to choose where you send your kid, and you'll have credits along with that.
01:00:56.000Because I think education and communication is the key to moving forward.
01:03:12.000I think when you look at the locations of Planned Parenthood facilities, they tend to be in black and Latino areas, not lower income areas.
01:03:18.000Just like when you look at all the advertisements and billboards for cigarette smoking and alcohol.
01:03:47.000Sure, but are there racists who are advocating for... Are these pro-choice racists who are trying to trick black people, or how is it racist?
01:03:57.000They're trying to cut, okay, let me tell you what's happening here.
01:04:03.000When you were a kid, even though you're a lot younger than I am, and when I was a kid, even when your parents were kids, and your grandparents were kids, the black population in this country was 12%.
01:06:29.000You know, we built this country, we wrote the Constitution, and now our identity is being squashed out with race mixing and people moving us out and so forth and so on.
01:07:08.000So I'm not sure of the context, right?
01:07:09.000So in a bunch of the blue areas, they've changed the voting laws dramatically.
01:07:14.000Pennsylvania, there was a lawsuit where they ruled the Republicans and Democrats made an agreement on voting changes that was ruled unconstitutional recently.
01:07:21.000So we're seeing weird... When you have sat on the throne of power, For 400 years, as white supremacy has sat there, it's hard to get off that throne.
01:07:34.000Say, as you know, some of us are musicians here, right?
01:07:37.000So, if you have a number one hit, number one on the charts, you don't want to see yourself fall down to number two, and number three, and number four, and then fall off the top 100.
01:08:09.000But you're operating under the pretext that a lot of what we're seeing in modern politics from Republicans is due to them not wanting to lose white power?
01:09:55.000But, so that justifies his thinking, you know, we need to keep black people down because the crime will grow.
01:10:03.000But, Because it enforces what he already believes as a KKK person or a neo-Nazi or whatever, a white supremacist if you just want to use a general umbrella, he is satisfied with that statistic or that data.
01:10:18.000He doesn't bother to look behind the data and find out why.
01:10:24.000Because black people tend to get imprisoned for longer sentences than white people committing the same crime.
01:10:31.000When you find a state like, let's just say the state of Maryland, a few years ago, well more than 10 years ago, Governor Paris Glenn Denning of the state of Maryland put a moratorium on the death penalty.
01:13:12.000You've lived through eras of pre-civil rights and all that stuff, so I can't speak to that.
01:13:17.000But I've been pulled over, and I'm not trying to say that I do.
01:13:23.000What I'm trying to say is I don't respect you telling me you know outright, without actually listening to me or knowing anything about my family or my life or what we went through, that you know outright I didn't experience these things.
01:13:34.000No, no, I didn't say you didn't experience these things.
01:13:37.000No, I said I've been pulled over more times than you have, is what I said.
01:15:05.000So my dad took the foreign service exam and became a foreign service officer, but there was still a ceiling for black people in the foreign service.
01:16:36.000So, perhaps it's a class issue because all of my friends and myself had the exact same talk in the exact same way.
01:16:42.000I was told, no matter what happens, when you're pulled over, you turn the light on, you turn the car off, keys and wallet on the dashboard, hands on the steering wheel, you roll down the window and you don't move.
01:16:51.000You answer the officer's questions, you do not argue with him.
01:17:16.000What I don't agree with is that this, you know, it's strange to me to hear the idea of the talk.
01:17:23.000Perhaps white suburban upper-class WASPs don't do that, but growing up in the South Side of Chicago, in mixed-race areas, in gang territory... I'm from Chicago, Midway.
01:18:46.000You know, you hear the Luray Caverns, etc.
01:18:48.000So I began dating a white woman down there.
01:18:51.000And within two weeks, the Luray City Police, who did not know me from Adam, everybody knows everybody down there, went to her house and told her that I was a drug dealer.
01:19:47.000And then he tells me, and I've heard this many times thereafter from other Klan people, that black people are born with a smaller brain than white people.
01:19:58.000And the larger the brain, the more capacity for intelligence.
01:20:01.000The smaller the brain, the lower the IQ.
01:20:04.000And he says that this is evidenced by the fact that year after year after year, black high school students score lower than white high school students on the SATs.
01:21:22.000But one of the things I find interesting is that the inner cities are all Democrat run
01:21:26.000and typically have been for generations.
01:21:29.000Chicago, for instance, I think for 80 years now or a hundred years has been run strictly by Democrats
01:21:34.000who keep promising to solve these problems and never do.
01:21:37.000So for me, I was just like, these people are just lying about everything.
01:21:40.000And typically what they do just makes things worse.
01:21:42.000And then you look at the suburbs and they have a tendency to lean Republican, or at least they were for a while, until Trump came along, to be honest.
01:21:48.000And so I wonder why it is that the political party that keeps claiming, well, to be honest, not 100 years ago, but in the past 50 years, 60 years, this is the parties claiming to fight for the black community, but continually things just get worse.
01:22:18.000But it's where you get stop and frisk.
01:22:20.000It's where you get the complete disproportionate, cops will give a ticket to a black guy drinking a 40, but they'll not to a white person drinking wine.
01:22:28.000I mean, these are liberal areas, not conservative.
01:22:30.000Well, you know why there's a higher penalty for crack cocaine than regular cocaine, right?
01:23:24.000So he starts making us pull out all the amplifiers and he's like looking in the back of the amps, looking in the drum kit, in the drum cases.
01:23:32.000He was not satisfied that there were no drugs there.
01:23:35.000He made us wait 30 minutes while he called the canine a patrol.
01:23:40.000Canine had to come, and we all had to get out of the van, sit on the damn side of the road, while the dog runs through the van sniffing for drugs.
01:23:49.000And he still didn't find any, all right?
01:24:50.000So they also had raided the apartment we were staying at, and then they also tried to get someone through what we believe was a criminal informant to plant drugs in our car, but I wouldn't let them.
01:25:01.000They kept trying to get Adderall from the basement and bring it in the car, and I told them, if you go anywhere near that apartment, the cops went in the apartment.
01:25:07.000This guy was like, I'm going to go inside real quick.
01:25:08.000I said, if you go in there, we're leaving.
01:25:12.000I'm like, if you go in there and you bring anything, you are not coming with us.
01:25:16.000We found out later through a series of text messages a person that was dating one of the cops after getting criminally charged with something, surprise surprise, was telling him to put Adderall in our car.
01:25:26.000We were then told that on the scanner they were describing our vehicle and looking for us.
01:25:30.000In the past 18 years, I don't really drive all that much anymore.
01:25:58.000That was when they planted drugs on me.
01:26:00.000So the only reason I didn't go to jail when they planted drugs in my car was because first what they did was they pulled me over illegally and said, the guy says I was swerving, but then goes, oh, whoa, oh, you're smoking pot.
01:26:13.000Which I wasn't, because I don't smoke, I don't have tattoos, and I barely drink.
01:26:18.000And so, they, out of the car, I say, okay, because, you know, I had the talk, hands on the steering wheel, I get out of the car, I keep my hands up, he immediately cuffs me, calls his partner, his partner shows up, first thing he does is go to my car, and plants a nug of weed.
01:26:31.000Takes it out within a few seconds and walks up to me holding in his hand and says, what is that?
01:27:13.000And they get in their car and they left.
01:27:14.000The only reason they didn't decide to charge me with possession illegally by planting drugs in my car was because they found out that my dad was a firefighter, and there's like, oh, can't do that.
01:27:22.000I wonder why it is I experienced that.
01:27:24.000I wonder why it is they experienced the cops pull me over at gunpoint.
01:27:27.000I wonder why it is that I was driving 10 miles under the limit on Lakeshore Drive in Chicago, when I was exiting at Belmont Avenue, which is a 45 mile an hour speed limit, and I get pulled over abruptly as I'm exiting.
01:27:36.000And the cop says, you were going 20 over.
01:27:42.000And they suspended my license for that.
01:27:44.000I wonder why it is that I was driving to O'Hare Airport and I had a cop nearly rear-end me.
01:27:49.000And so when I turned, when I put on my signal to move over the right lane, he immediately flips the lights on and said, you started speeding the moment I came up on you.
01:27:56.000And I said, you, you, you nearly rear-ended me.
01:28:51.000I'm not saying, I'm not saying racism isn't a real thing or that racism wasn't affecting you.
01:28:55.000I'm just saying what, what, what, you know, ignites me in this regard is when I'm told by someone that I've had it worse than you because of my race.
01:29:05.000And it's like, it may be that you've had it worse than me, but I, I don't know.
01:29:10.000I'm not saying those things don't happen to you.
01:29:47.000It was always a big deal when one of the soap opera people on General Hospital, or whatever, was going to have a date with a black girl, or some white woman was going to have a date with a black man, or whatever.
01:29:58.000That black actor was always light-skinned.
01:32:00.000Well, it's something, and I wonder why it is.
01:32:02.000I'm like, how do I know people who do so little of anything?
01:32:05.000And they party in Switzerland, and they party in the Mediterranean on these yachts and these boats, and they'll be like, well, you know, work is hard.
01:32:17.000And I'm like, why are there jewelers in New York making $50,000 a year?
01:32:21.000Just by virtue of being in the higher class, they have access to people with cash, and they make bigger deals, which nets them bigger percentages.
01:32:29.000So I certainly think there is a class system in the United States, but I think the U.S.
01:32:45.000You know, back in the day, back in the day, When black people were first, you know, gonna vote and all that kind of stuff, most black people were Republicans.
01:33:38.000And then in the 1960s, a vehement racist named Barry Goldwater Opposed the Civil Rights Act and all this other kind of nonsense, and became pretty powerful.
01:33:52.000And blacks left the Republican Party and went to the Democratic Party, which became more liberal and more accepting.
01:34:00.000And more and more racists began joining the Republican Party.
01:34:17.000I don't know if I would look at what's going on right now with Planned Parenthood and with the Democratic Party, that they flipped in any meaningful way, if they did.
01:34:26.000I know it's argued the right says they didn't, the left says they did.
01:34:29.000But I look at, as I mentioned, Chicago, which has been under Democrat rule, or whatever you want to call it, for nearly 100 years, I think.
01:34:59.000And the goal was to disseminate birth control and contraception and...
01:35:05.000You know, trying to convince them not to have kids for those reasons.
01:35:10.000Now, there's a debate on the quotes from this woman because some of them are extremely egregious and then the left claims they're not real quotes, so whatever, I'll leave that out of it, I suppose.
01:35:18.000But if the goal of Planned Parenthood started by this woman, was to prevent black people from having kids.
01:35:24.000And to this day, you mentioned the white population is decreasing, but the black population is stagnant.
01:35:29.000It seems like her ideas to stop black people from having babies worked.
01:35:33.000And now you can look at 2006 data I pulled up that black women are five times more likely to have abortions than white women.
01:35:40.000And this is preventing black families and children from growing up.
01:35:44.000It sounds like these racists And the Planned Parenthood was overtly defended by the Democratic Party, which was the party of racists.
01:35:52.000They are still enacting policies to hurt black people.
01:35:55.000When it comes to these statistics, this is like black crime, black abortion, whatever.
01:36:00.000Say that there's a five to one ratio in the past.
01:36:18.000Then the cops are like, I gotta look at every black guy like he's five times more likely.
01:36:21.000And it's like we're creating a racist projection.
01:36:24.000Yeah, just because it happened in the past doesn't mean it's gonna happen again.
01:36:27.000I'll tell you a funny story out of New York, and then I want to go back to the point I was making, but there was a black cop who went to Central Park and started giving tickets to white couples drinking wine, and he said, public drinking is a citation in New York City.
01:36:40.000And they got all bent out of shape and angry and started complaining, and they were like, we're having wine at our Central Park picnic, how dare you?
01:36:47.000And he said, white cops come to the black neighborhoods and give young black men tickets for drinking 40s on their own stoops.
01:36:55.000And you're mad at me because you were publicly drinking in a park.
01:38:58.000There were a lot of stories I'd hear from white friends of mine, like young girls.
01:39:04.000Older black men would stop them if they tried to cross 47th, and they would say, young woman, you best not come here, you need to turn around right now.
01:39:10.000Because they would be in trouble, the black people.
01:39:12.000Well, no, no, no, because they were worried about what would happen to the white girls for coming into the black neighborhood.
01:39:17.000They were like, you know, the segregation here, it was violent.
01:39:22.000You know, back in the 60s, Martin Luther King himself said Chicago was the most segregated city in this country.
01:39:37.000No, this was, uh, I don't know if this is specifically the LeClaire Courts, because the LeClaire Courts, I think, are a different, it's like, there's a bunch of project housing off of Cicero going all the way down to Central Avenue in Chicago, and I don't know if the entirety of that was called the LeClaire Courts, but there was an area of it, but they just flattened it all.
01:39:55.000And it was crazy when I one day I decided to look at a google map of my neighborhood and I saw that all of the housing were uh like a lot of the houses are still all you know black owned black community but all of the project housing was flattened and they're empty fields with fences saying no trespassing.
01:40:10.000The city just came in and just destroyed it and kicked everybody out.
01:40:13.000But see you know when people look at that and they see this self-segregation And they see that it works.
01:40:35.000I was living 10 years ahead of my time.
01:40:37.000When I was overseas, living in integrated communities, going to integrated schools in the 1960s, not in my country, but overseas, okay?
01:40:46.000I was living 10 years ahead of my time because 10 years later, there was diversity in my classrooms here.
01:40:53.000I know it can work, but when you don't travel, you're not exposed to different things, you think the world, everything around the world is the same way it is in your neighborhood, you know?
01:41:04.000My favorite quote of all time is by Mark Twain.
01:41:10.000And Mark Twain said, Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.
01:41:19.000Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.
01:41:28.000I went to South America for, I was there for like five months or something, and I got a taste of what it felt like to be the other for the first time in my life.
01:41:35.000And I don't know if it was my race or just the fact that I looked different, but I was walking, you know, people kept looking at me and watching me.
01:41:46.000I was like, wow, this is like what people in the United States maybe feel like when, when they, when they feel like in the minority of the amount of people with a similar skin tone or something like, and it was just so eyeopening.
01:41:59.000And every, I think everyone's got to know, they got to know that feeling.
01:42:32.000The state of Texas isn't who removed slave from textbooks.
01:42:36.000It was the Board of Education dominated by leftists.
01:42:39.000I don't think you can answer to that, this statement.
01:42:43.000I think, but I do think it highlights one of the issues, is that if you read a cursory story, it'll say in Texas they removed this word from the books, and then someone will say that's not true, it was the other side.
01:42:53.000You know, how do we navigate when... Okay, so I mean, I'm gonna assume that whoever said that is probably correct, okay?
01:43:02.000So, but, the fact of the matter is, in the state of Texas, the word slave was removed from textbooks.
01:43:09.000Whether the state did it, or whether the Board of Education did it, it was done in the state of Texas.
01:43:14.000But it does matter who did it, and why they did it.
01:43:16.000Right, right, so... No, no, I'm talking about, as far as my point goes, The state of Texas removed the word slave from textbooks in Texas public schools.
01:44:04.000But is it possible that Daryl is misinterpreting the reason that it was removed and that it was actually removed by pro-critical race theory people?
01:44:18.000So I think that... Like removing master and slave from a coding library, GitHub or whatever?
01:44:24.000They're getting rid of the word slave because it's offensive to black people and it's under the guise of progressivism and critical race theory.
01:45:26.000As a kid, it was a regular thing to raise money You know, for whatever reason, you know, school trip or whatever, we would have slave auctions where kids would bid on other kids.
01:45:38.000You know, it wasn't like white kids bidding on black kids.
01:45:40.000You know, I could bid on some white kid or whatever, all right?
01:45:43.000And you paid 50 cents or whatever and you bought that person and that person had to carry your books around all day.
01:46:00.000It was a practitioner of critical race praxis who segregated the kids by race and then made the black kids wear shackles.
01:46:06.000When I was in seventh grade in 1992, seventh grade, Ohio, Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, we did this exercise in like social studies class where we were all plantation owners, they were called.
01:46:16.000And we had to either get slaves or indentured servants.
01:46:19.000And then there was a third type of worker that you would get.
01:46:21.000And you put these little stickers on your board and everyone had their stickers and you go around, you trade stickers with other people.
01:46:26.000So I just did the math, and I was like, well, this is cheaper than that, so I got all the right stickers and then won the game, but it was just like indoctrination.
01:49:27.000But the government needs to make good on it, and they never have.
01:49:30.000That was a strawman of what Daryl said about reparations.
01:49:34.000It's possible to have a nuanced view about reparations that doesn't involve throwing money around, but does involve something like a major education overhaul.
01:50:01.000This country is the one, is the country that won against slavery, that sacrificed nearly a million of its children saying, we're going to crush this.
01:52:42.000I was just looking at how the Europeans split up Africa, man.
01:52:44.000They, in the late 1800s, early 1900s, and before that too, it was just all, it was just a race to colonize and enslave the entire continent.
01:52:52.000So Colin Burke says, one of the bigger problems with reparations, that more than 80% of even white people moved to the U.S.
01:52:59.000much later, after slavery, and half near the end of Jim Crow.
01:53:03.000So do you calm ancestors or Listen, like I said, I'll go back to my point.
01:53:12.000Whether you moved here yesterday or whether you moved here 500 years ago, nobody is still living today who owned any slaves.
01:54:15.000But some drunk boxer was German in my history or something.
01:54:19.000I think Daryl's envisioning of reparations is actually much more moderate than people might think, in terms of pure acknowledgement.
01:54:31.000It seems like that's what you're you're getting at there like you're not necessarily like people People like to have different definitions of what reparations are and you're more so saying you just want clear Acknowledgement, which you think I want I want an apology And I think people who have been disenfranchised, held back, and things like that should get something.
01:55:17.000So what happens in, say, the mixed race areas of South Side of Chicago when all of a sudden,
01:55:22.000half the people get vouchers and the other half don't?
01:55:25.000They're all in the same neighborhood, same economic status?
01:55:27.000If you are the descendants of slaves, You should be entitled to that, okay?
01:55:34.000Like, if you are the descendants of Native Americans, you got 1 8th or 1 16th Native American blood in you, you can get something.
01:55:42.000If you are a survivor of the internment camps, or your descendants are of the Japanese internment camps, You can get something, okay?
01:55:50.000Descendants of slaves should be entitled to what they were promised and they never received, just like the courts awarded the survivors of the Tulsa race massacre and their descendants something, and to this day they haven't got it.
01:56:06.000So my question was, what do you think would happen to the mixed-race neighborhoods when only half the people get vouchers, get some kind of benefit or resource?
01:56:45.000Let's say somebody is the descendant of... a man and woman come from Afghanistan with a child after their country was completely just destroyed.
01:56:55.000And that kid is living in poverty in a neighborhood, and then all of a sudden the government comes in and hands out checks based on race that they're not entitled to, and they say, well, your oppression doesn't count because we're only talking about other oppression.
01:57:05.000The issue I have with race-based distribution of resources, one, the resource has to be paid for by somebody.
01:57:11.000The government doesn't have money, the government taxes the people, and then it uses the people's resources to distribute where it wants to.
01:57:18.000I think the problem is, if we use race-based programs to give people money, it's just still racial segregation.
01:57:25.000Why is it, Tim, that, you know, you haven't said anything about that as far as Japanese people go, okay?
01:57:30.000They're still getting, they're still entitled to money.
01:57:49.000So, you're okay with this group getting it, you're okay with that group getting it, but now when it comes to black people, now you come up with all these excuses about so-and-so died in the war, you know, isn't that enough?
01:57:59.000Or no, they should not get money because this person isn't getting money.
01:58:02.000No, I didn't say it was okay that we're giving people money based on race.
01:58:06.000I think it's wrong to get... I literally said it was wrong to discredit resources based on race.
01:58:30.000You'll end up with a lot of white people getting those vouchers.
01:58:33.000There weren't that many white people who were enslaved.
01:58:34.000No, but there are white people who are the descendants of slaves.
01:58:37.000Like, if there was a black slave who found themselves in an interracial relationship And now this person is one-sixty-fourth black, or one-eighth, or one... I mean, there are people who, uh, a famous actor, I'm not gonna use their name, who is, you know, I think one-eighth black, and no one realizes it, because he just looks like a white guy!
01:58:55.000But he'd get one of these checks, and he's a rich white dude.
01:59:19.000But I feel like when you can do things that everyone benefits from, clean water supplies and free internet access with satellites and stuff like that, Then everyone has an opportunity to be better themselves.
01:59:29.000You can't throw $80,000 in someone's face and expect them to be better.
01:59:32.000I don't think Will Smith's family should get free money.
02:01:50.000Now, If they did not like their plantation owner, and most of them didn't, they took names when slaves were freed, they took names of people that they did like, or people who had higher positions, like presidents.
02:02:10.000Most people that you find, that you see today, who are named Jefferson, or who are named Washington, or who are named Lincoln, are mostly black people.
02:02:19.000Yes, there are some white Jeffersons, you know, a few white people named Washington, but I'll guarantee you, nine out of ten people you meet with the last name of Washington or Jefferson, He's going to be a black person.
02:03:45.000I think that it's undeniable that this is exactly the type of conversation that needs to happen.
02:03:51.000And the fact that, you know, Tim, you're getting, like, I saw the SPLC thing coming out, like, for them to accuse your show of not having cross-spectrum conversations is completely ridiculous.
02:04:39.000I think there's a generational difference between us.
02:04:41.000We've talked to a couple other boomers, you know, in the past, and it seems like the way we consume, as millennials and younger, information... You should ask that guy why is he radicalized in the first place.
02:04:54.000I'd be interested in his response. Well, it's because when you look at the older generation,
02:04:59.000it seems like they've abandoned the millennials. That's how it feels, I think, to a lot of
02:05:02.000millennials. We recently had a guest who said feminists are not pro-war. And it's like,
02:05:08.000here we are as millennials online talking to millennials, and the feminist millennials are
02:05:37.000Yeah frustration because you know you say that but I can say the same thing You know, being the older generation from you guys, you have no clue what we went through.
02:05:47.000Yeah, I feel like what's happening is you're exposing a sort of truth, a perspective truth, and I'm reading this Galileo quote, the truth.
02:05:53.000All truth passes through three stages.
02:05:59.000Usually you see that in the Super Chats.
02:06:01.000Then it's accepted as being self-evident.
02:06:03.000Okay, so let me tell you about Galileo.
02:06:05.000And I'll tell you about, um, but before Galileo, his, um, his mentor, his, uh, his person that he looked up to was another astronomer who you've heard of called Copernicus.
02:07:18.000Kid Funky Fry says, I think my great-great-grandpa who was blown apart to free the slaves was payment enough, especially considering I or no one in my family has ever owned slaves.
02:07:28.000So there's a couple of questions I get out of this, this is interesting.
02:07:30.000So, if this man is telling the truth, and his ancestor died to end slavery, and his family never owned slaves, If we do reparations, should we also create an exception that anybody who is not descendant of slave owners is exempt from the tax that would fund the reparations?
02:07:48.000Anybody who is not a descendant of slaves would have a tax credit exemption from any taxes that would go towards reparations.
02:07:56.000I'd have to think about that, but it doesn't matter.
02:07:59.000I'm not saying it doesn't matter that his ancestors died fighting in the Civil War.
02:08:06.000You go and you fight for your country, you go and you fight for your land.
02:08:10.000Listen, an American just died the other day over in Ukraine.
02:08:14.000That was his choice to go there and fight.
02:08:18.000Does his family get some kind of reparations?
02:08:48.000Because he does not see the racism that was perpetrated by his country against people like me and my ancestors.
02:08:57.000Thank you for your great-grandfather's service for fighting in the Civil War against slavery.
02:09:04.000But if you can't see that Black people in this country have not received the same apology for one and the same reparations for another that Japanese Americans have received and that Native Americans have received.
02:09:37.000So if we all pool our money together for, say, the common defense and services, and then you step up and say, I want to take from that pool because of reparations, he says, OK, well, hold on.
02:10:20.000When you drive down the road, you are not allowed to use the HOV lane if you don't have two people in your car, or HOV 3, three people in your car.
02:10:31.000If you're riding by yourself, and you drive down that lane, you will get a ticket if a cop sees you.
02:10:36.000All right, I've done that, and I've gotten a ticket, all right?
02:10:39.000Not because I'm black, but because I was driving down the HOV lane with one person, me, in the car, all right?
02:10:51.000Can he get reparations for his great-great-great-grandfather dying?
02:10:55.000Should the government pay him for the loss of his grandfather?
02:10:58.000Right now, I'm talking about Black descendants of slaves, okay?
02:11:04.000Now, if he wants to get reparations from the government because his great-great-grandfather died, you know, that's his fight.
02:11:11.000Convince me, and I will stand behind him.
02:11:14.000But do you think that if he went to the government and said, I should, and the government said yes, and they took tax money and gave it to him, tax money that you pay, would you be okay with that?
02:11:22.000Not if I'm not getting any reparations, no.
02:11:24.000Well then why should he, after his great grandfather died, think that he should give his tax— You're missing the point.
02:11:31.000Because when it comes to giving black people something You all are saying, no, cut it off here.
02:12:00.000It has an influential impact on people sharing ideas.
02:12:03.000We allow people to talk to us and share ideas.
02:12:08.000Should the people who... First of all... Should the descendants of the Tulsa race riot, the Black Wall Street descendants, should they get reparations?
02:12:19.000From the people who committed the atrocities?
02:12:21.000Maybe people in that... The people who committed the atrocities are dead.
02:14:55.000The idea that we're going to try and like You're going to see some, you know, rich white family who's like, you know, actually one of our ancestors was a slave.
02:15:04.000We're 164th and that person was a part of our family.
02:15:07.000And then all of a sudden this WASPy family is like getting a voucher for college.
02:15:11.000I think that the only way we can do it is uplift everyone together.
02:15:13.000I think if you can create software or some sort of technology that allows people with or without money to create a business, to start their own entrepreneurial ship and get subscriptions from people, then you're uplifting everyone.
02:15:23.000Cause a lot of times it's the poor that are suffering right now.
02:15:26.000If someone's like you said, you wouldn't take money if there was a system like this where they're handing out checks.
02:15:30.000Or you just said earlier you wouldn't.
02:16:51.000I believe in affirmative education, where everybody has the opportunity to better themselves and go out and get better jobs, okay?
02:17:00.000As you mentioned, give people opportunities.
02:17:03.000They don't have the opportunities if they're not educated.
02:17:07.000And even those people who are educated, like myself, okay, I still experience discrimination when it comes to jobs.
02:17:15.000Yeah, people need to learn how to run their own business as a young kid, regardless of where they go to school or their age or any of that stuff.
02:17:40.000I mean, maybe if I could go back and say, no, It wasn't a slavery.
02:17:45.000Maybe it would have been conquered by, you know, the Mexicans or the Portuguese or like, who knows where we'd be.
02:17:50.000So it's, that's why I have a hard time just outright giving like a genuine, like, I'm sorry it happened because it, it didn't happen to you.
02:17:57.000Um, so I want to apologize to, if I saw somebody, I don't know, man.
02:18:01.000Let me, let me give you an example of something.
02:18:54.000People cannot move forward until they have received an apology for wrongdoing to them.
02:19:01.000And I said to her, I said, listen, it was in November when I was lecturing out there, I said, OK, let's say I'm a student here at Michigan State, and I live in the dorm, and I live on the East Coast.
02:19:17.000You live here in Michigan, and you and I are friends, and you say to me, hey, are you going home for Thanksgiving?
02:19:23.000And I say, no, I can't afford to go home for Thanksgiving.
02:19:26.000I'm going to save my money and go home for Christmas vacation.
02:19:30.000Okay, and then you tell me, well, you know, my grandparents told me, you know, if I wanted to, I could ask some of my students who weren't going home, if they want to come over for Thanksgiving dinner, you know, would you like to come?
02:20:16.000You are apologizing for your ancestor.
02:20:18.000I said, I can't change how your grandfather feels, okay?
02:20:23.000But I appreciate the fact that you acknowledge that it's wrong and you say you're sorry for it.
02:20:28.000But a real apology would be to confront the grandfather as it happens and be like, dude, we're in the 21st century, grow up, look at the eyeballs.
02:21:47.000So that guy is putting words in my mouth.
02:21:50.000I guess the idea they're conveying is that when you say black families do it, they interpret you as saying as if it's not happening elsewhere.
02:22:19.000That black kids get is the one that I described, the same one that you described about keep your hands on the wheel, don't argue, sign the ticket, we'll fight it in court.
02:22:29.000Otherwise you could come home in a box.
02:22:33.000Now a lot of white people get the talk, but most of the white people that get the talk, it's a different talk.
02:23:01.000Okay, a lot of white kids get the talk, but it's not the same talk as the black kids get the talk because they don't have the same experiences.
02:23:09.000The talk that a lot of the white kids get is when they start driving Don't get pregnant.
02:25:01.000He's pretty sure everyone has to talk.
02:25:04.000But yeah, you accused me of saying all white people, and now I'm a racist and I don't know shit, but he says everyone and you're not defending him.
02:26:02.000This country was built on white supremacy and slavery at the bottom.
02:26:06.000So I think a lot of people, especially me, we agreed with you with like so much of the historical problems and racism and civil rights and all that stuff.
02:26:43.000I'm saying, you know, one of the things that I'll just say triggered me was this idea that there are certain things you've suffered that are either described only as a black experience or, in this instance, when people felt, when you said black families give their kids the talk, the response was them saying, I'm white and I've had the talk.
02:27:06.000And some people saying they feel like that was you showing your radicalized to a racial as a racial component.
02:29:24.000I've been hearing about that shit long before anybody had video cameras other than TV stations.
02:29:31.000When you say you experienced something, Like, the talk or a white person told me the talk, and then a white person, from their own personal experiences, say that this is what happens to me.
02:30:50.000Ask ten of your white friends Male friends, what is the first thing, and you people out there listening, you do the same thing.
02:31:01.000Ask 10 of your white male friends, what is the first thing that goes through your mind when you're driving home late at night, let's say 2 o'clock in the morning, whatever, from a date or from getting off work, whatever.
02:31:13.000And you see those lights come on in your rearview mirror, those flashing lights.
02:31:43.000You ask the same question to 10 of your black male friends, they're not gonna say anything about the damn ticket or points on the license or insurance.
02:31:52.000They're gonna say, I hope I don't get shot.
02:32:04.000Just like there is more of a frequency of blacks being sentenced to death and whites for the same crime get to go to prison for life or life with parole.
02:35:38.000If you guys listen to this show, you know my position on all of this.
02:35:40.000If you stand beneath the infrastructure, holding it up as they do things that are wrong, and you know they're doing it wrong, I will hold you responsible.
02:35:46.000You know the Chinese have this term called bai sua, which means white liberal.
02:35:50.000Like that's a white left, which is inherently I feel like a lot of this racism is being seeded.
02:35:56.000I'm not saying it didn't exist, but in the early 2000s, it felt like we were coming together.
02:37:52.000He has abandoned nuance and critical thinking and has become emotionally defensive and lost empathy.
02:37:58.000He is literally starting to rant when pressed with logical arguments.
02:38:02.000He's entitled to his opinion and that's fine.
02:38:05.000I think that people need to recognize that the conversation is happening, and everyone's in a different spot on it, and Daryl is extremely pro-free speech, vastly more than many people sort of in the critical race theory realm, and that I absolutely appreciate that, and a lot of people won't come on this show to talk, so that matters.
02:38:32.000Someone just mentioned that the chat was gone too.
02:39:34.000So I think the issue we experience is that the world and the information we consume as millennials is so vastly different from yours that we see it's literally two different universes.
02:41:10.000So I think, you know, we see it with Bill Maher.
02:41:12.000We've seen it with our other guests who are in the boober generation, that the rate of information consumption for the older generation is substantially slower based on just the traditional information gathering practices of the previous generation relative today.
02:41:26.000So, these younger people right now, as you're saying it, are Googling it in real time.
02:41:30.000And they're commenting saying you're wrong about this.
02:41:32.000And so that's one of the challenges we have, why we have to be walking on ice and making sure we're doing the best, is that the 50,000 people concurrently watching at any moment are all sending the real-time fact check because they can research exactly what we say.
02:41:46.000So most of these people... Now, as far as them telling me that I'm wrong, I don't believe that they are Factual.
02:41:53.000They're telling me that I'm wrong based upon their opinion and what they think about what I'm saying.
02:42:48.000A very famous university hired me to come do a lecture, alright?
02:42:54.000And this guy called me before the lecture and wanted to know if he could interview me when I came down before I gave the lecture from the student paper.
02:43:04.000I said, but are you going to stay for the lecture?
02:44:00.000Now, whether she wrote it in the book and then changed her mind, or whether the book got it wrong or whatever, I will send you a link to her talking, answering the exact question that you said, which is opposite of what the other guy says.
02:44:13.000I do think I've, I watched her give a statement.
02:46:09.000But the funny thing is, today, when it comes to issues of critical race theory, it is white people who are advocating this mostly.
02:46:17.000And that may be the fact that white people are the majority of this country, so you'll see more white people advocating for critical race theory.
02:46:23.000But typically, a lot of these progressive ideologies, like gender ideology or race ideology, come from white liberals.
02:46:28.000It's also, you say, more white people advocating for critical race theory.
02:46:33.000It's also more white people advocating to ban critical race theory.
02:46:38.000Yeah, I think one of the issues is that people are confused and they're not arguing the same thing.
02:47:43.000I think people, it depends upon the classroom, okay?
02:47:47.000If there's a Muslim person in the classroom and there's a Jewish person and there's a Christian person or Hindu person, I think they each should say a prayer.
02:47:58.000If someone is an atheist, then they can opt to leave the room or remain seated or do whatever they want to do.
02:48:31.000As a black man, I disagree with quite a bit of what Daryl said, but I will forever respect this man's action, better than any Antifa thug has done.
02:48:40.000And then there is, there's another really good one that we need to read because it's the most important one.
02:48:48.000This has been a really good conversation that reminds me of many I have had with various black friends I've known.
02:48:54.000I think people, I just gotta say for everybody who watches or listens to the show, we are trying to have more discussions over ideas that we disagree with.
02:49:33.000Now, to your point about these people who are on the left or whatever who don't want to come, I was invited A couple years ago, this lady called me up, she's a sociologist professor, and she wanted to know would I consider coming to a dinner gathering with some people on the left and some people on the right.
02:49:59.000And she named a few white supremacists, one being Richard Spencer.
02:50:08.000So, you know, they didn't reveal where the dinner was to be held until the day of, because they wanted to keep it secret or whatever.
02:50:19.000So on the day of, I got the email as to what address to come to, etc, etc, what time, and I showed up, and there were all these people over there on the right, Richard Spencer, some other neo-Nazi type people, and this, that, and the other, and we had dinner together.
02:50:35.000No one from the left but me showed up.
02:50:58.000We, you know, if people don't get along or if people disagree or even if they agree, I think we most, I think we agree on a lot more than we disagree.
02:51:04.000And I think we just highlighted disagreements because we disagree.
02:51:07.000We want to express those the most, you know, I think often the conversations we have in agreement, it's like, well, yeah, of course we agree on those things, but then let's move on to the things we don't agree on.
02:51:25.000House of Representatives issued an unprecedented apology to black Americans for the institution of slavery and the subsequent Jim Crow laws for years of discrimination.
02:51:34.000Steve Cohen, Democrat from Tennessee, drafted the resolution.
02:51:37.000Now, to be honest, my personal opinion...
02:52:47.000And they followed me around the country when I was interviewing KKK and neo-Nazis, etc.
02:52:52.000And they set me up to interview some people A faction of Black Lives Matter, and there was a major clash between me and Black Lives Matter.
02:53:18.000They did not respect what I stood for, what I did, et cetera, et cetera.
02:53:22.000Now, a year later, They reached out to me and said, you know, we've been seeing you, we've been reading some interviews, you know, we, we sort of get what you're doing, you know, you know, we want to try to work together.
02:53:31.000You know, we don't agree with everything, but we think, you know, we can find some, you know, common ground.
02:53:36.000So we met and we had dinner and we started working together.
02:53:39.000And then one of them fell off the wagon and reverted back to himself and, you know, in the film, but you will, you will see, uh, you know, in, in the whole movie, the whole movie, uh, Everybody talks about that particular scene.
02:53:56.000Because for whatever reason... Now, you're gonna call me a racist again, and that's fine if you want to call me that.
02:54:02.000A lot of white people try to put black people in one box.
02:55:56.000But, you know, we'll have conversations.
02:55:58.000And so if the issue is you feel like I don't do a good enough job, well, maybe we should actually do like what we did with Charlie Kirk and Vosch.
02:56:05.000And we'll have people who actually want to have a debate have a debate here.