On today's show, we're joined by the man himself, James O'Keefe. James joins us to talk about Project Veritas' decision to sue him and his new company, and why it's a big deal. We also talk about Bud Light being knocked off the top spot as the most popular beer in the United States, and how far-left activists are actually getting arrested.
00:00:35.000I think it's a death knell for Project Veritas as an organization going after James in this way, but we do have major breaking news related to this, uh, we have right now.
00:00:45.000Uh, apparently a resignation letter from one of the executives at Veritas.
00:00:49.000I don't know if this is related to the lawsuit against James, but I believe it likely is.
00:00:54.000Because I have to say, this is, for Project Veritas to sue James, is basically them saying, we're done, we're over, and whatever good will, whatever good faith, you know, people may have had in us, after James left, is completely gone.
00:01:09.000So we're gonna go over that, and of course we have James here to talk about that and more, and then, I think that'll be a heavy portion of this show, because we're gonna be getting into a lot of that story with James here, but we do have other stories about Bud Light being knocked off the top spot, It is no longer the number one beer in this country.
00:01:24.000Modelo is, which in the United States is not owned by Anheuser-Busch.
00:01:28.000Internationally it is, but here it's Constellation Brands.
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00:04:11.000Absolutely. We got Seamus Coughlin of Freedom Tunes. My name's Seamus. I make cartoons. I also make podcasts
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00:04:21.000I also have the cartoons Tim mentioned. Those are over at Freedom Tunes. We're gonna be releasing a funny video
00:04:26.000tomorrow We were gonna be releasing a debunkers video today, but
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00:04:33.000But I think you guys are really gonna enjoy it and I think you're gonna like tomorrow's cartoon as well
00:04:37.000Everyone Ian Crosland here happy to be here James. Good to see you my man
00:04:40.000Great to see you. Been what a year and a half or something like that. Well, we'll talk more
00:04:43.000I want to get down to down to the bottom of this And I'm sirs.com. It's a pleasure to meet you James and I'm
00:04:49.000excited for tonight's episode. So let's get started guys We actually have a couple big stories related to this, but I think we'll just start before the breaking story we have.
00:05:27.000Are also included in the lawsuit for allegedly breaching their contracts for the benefit of OMG.
00:05:32.000They say, O'Keefe allegedly ran amok and put his own interests out of Veritas, which asserted, the outlet's founder failed in his duties and caused serious and significant damage, according to the lawsuit, which includes Project Veritas Action Group as a plaintiff.
00:05:46.000The lawsuit notes, O'Keefe was suspended but not removed as a member from his former role in Project Veritas as CEO and president of Project Veritas Action Fund on February 6th.
00:05:59.000They're saying that, James, you, in the lawsuit, you have no right to start a company, you have no right to do the work you've done, and this was the shocking thing to me, the work that you have historically done before Veritas, during Veritas, and now after, they say, is proprietary to Project Veritas.
00:06:34.000And I'll end with the answer to your question.
00:06:37.000I've been doing this for About 15 years.
00:06:41.000I started in college so I guess that's probably more like 20 years but in a major way 15 years.
00:06:45.000Along the way I have been, you know, there's been a lot of arrows sent my way and at my team because when you're the tip of the spear you just get a lot of flack, right?
00:06:58.000I think we all know that and then maybe these days it's directly proportional to the amount of flack you get but I mean I have been, way back when I received a letter from Planned Parenthood threatening to jail me for working with Lila in California because of the statute 632 of the penal code.
00:07:16.000I did the acorn story with Andrew Breitbart and Hannah Giles.
00:07:19.000They sued me for recording in Maryland.
00:07:25.000I was arrested by the FBI in January of 2010, falsely accused.
00:07:32.000They said I entered under false pretense even though I showed my ID.
00:07:35.000I spent three years on federal probation and it is while I was on federal probation that I founded Project Veritas in a garage with no money, credit card debt, negative equity.
00:12:39.000Declare O'Keefe liable to identify plaintiff for the cost of defense and or liabilities arising from actions taken by him or his heirs or omissions.
00:12:46.000Issue a preliminary and permanent injunction enjoining O'Keefe and OMG From soliciting or contacting plaintiff's donors, employees, or contractors.
00:13:25.000They then, it seems like an institutional capture, with one of these guys on the board apparently having pronouns in his bio or something, all of a sudden they're telling you, you're locked up, you're suspended, stop doing your work, so you go off and do your own thing, and then they say, nope, we own those, everything that you built, we own, every technique, all the methodology, those are ours and you can never use them again.
00:13:48.000That effectively says the methods of James O'Keefe can never be used by James O'Keefe again.
00:13:55.000The money that was raised and that I raised, taking lots of black cars around to raise it, I don't know if you get the inside joke there, but they say there's black cars are inappropriate, was raised to expose corruption and now is being used in an effort to stifle My efforts to expose corruption!
00:14:21.000We did an event in New York and we had very serious security threats.
00:14:26.000We had security running around the building looking for individuals who we believe were
00:14:30.000involved in very serious threats and swatting and things like that.
00:14:33.000So when the event wraps, and they're like, here's your exit, Mr. Poole, I'm like, yo, there's like a hundred people out there, and we're under, like, tight security conditions.
00:15:33.000These are Malone's words, and I just want to read them before your audience, because this is profound.
00:15:37.000He wrote this on like a substack or something.
00:15:40.000Without knowing the details of all this, This episode has all the earmarks of a terrible institutional problem in nonprofits that we've seen many times before.
00:15:49.000All it takes is a remarkable success, big infusion of money, a weak, jealous, confused board using disgruntled employees as shields.
00:15:56.000The board develops a backwards-looking focus.
00:15:59.000Taking apart the success, why did management take those risks?
00:16:02.000Why did the head of the organization not consult with us?
00:16:04.000Why didn't the head of the organization follow industry-established practices?
00:16:07.000How come the organization's president did not do something different than what he did to establish long-term success?
00:16:12.000Which is a word that they use, long-term success.
00:16:15.000I remember this one time I raised a million dollars and they said, well, you could have raised 10 million if you did something differently.
00:17:57.000The board hires the president, the president hires and fires the staff.
00:17:59.000The board is unpaid, which usually means they have no reason to be involved in the operations in the first place, but all the while they have a sense that they should be controlling things even though they really understand what's going on.
00:18:16.000They attacked all the things that you were doing without pointing out Veritas is extremely successful because of the things you have done and continue to do.
00:18:27.000They stop it in this single moment, out of the entire context of the life of Veritas, and say, look at these things he just did, instead of saying, look at the similar things he's been doing that have led to our success.
00:18:41.000So they can make it seem like Veritas was always where it was, and only now are these things causing problems.
00:18:49.000Well, the moment of greatest achievement often carries the greatest risk.
00:18:56.000You know, you get the flack if you're over the target.
00:18:59.000But what I've realized, I was just doing a Twitter spaces downstairs, is there's a lot of evil in the world.
00:19:09.000I think the evil is getting more evil, but there's also a lot of good.
00:19:12.000And I saw a lot of, I mean, it's a blessing because I was overtaken by a sense of gratitude for all the really good people that were around me.
00:19:23.000And I was overtaken with a sense of gratitude to see who people really are.
00:19:27.000And you need to be very strong if you're going to do this.
00:21:06.000You know, you may not be happy with how things went, but we're gonna try and make two good things out of this instead of just a fight.
00:21:12.000The fact that they've gone after you, this says to me it is more about ideology, because if Veritas was truly trying to do good work, they would realize that this lawsuit is basically a stake in the heart of Veritas.
00:21:25.000What little was left that people believed in with Project Veritas is now completely gone, because they're attacking you.
00:21:32.000I mean, if their issues with what you were doing were truly the things that they claimed they were when they ousted you, they should have no problem with you going and doing your own thing.
00:21:41.000I got the feeling that it was personal.
00:21:43.000Like, I wasn't around you when you were going through it, but, like, I imagine you were high stress, and you were just, like, I don't know if you were lashing out at people, or, like, just, like, making demands, and then they were like, we've had enough of him, we can't take him anymore.
00:21:53.000And then they just... But, like, are you still on contract with Veritas?
00:22:02.000I say they did, and our lawyers say they did, February 10th.
00:22:05.000Because if you're still on contract, then there are clauses usually in bylaws for 501c3s where the board has to agree that you can make private profit off of anything related to the foundation.
00:22:18.000But if you're not on contract with them, that's another story, I think.
00:22:22.000I'm not a lawyer, but that's what I would surmise.
00:22:24.000Well, we've got breaking news, ladies and gentlemen, in relation to this.
00:22:27.000So we received a message from April Moss.
00:22:31.000She is a CBS Detroit whistleblower, a meteorologist, whose story became public in June of 2021.
00:22:37.000She says that she's obtained an exclusive copy of a resignation letter from Dan Strack of Project Veritas, and that she stands by James O'Keefe, currently working on the story.
00:22:47.000And there is some personal information, so I'm not going to show the email, but I do have it.
00:22:51.000It says, Today I sent the following email to the Board of Directors and Leadership.
00:22:55.000Project Veritas Board of Directors, please take this email as notification of my resignation as Executive Director of Project Veritas and Project Veritas Action.
00:23:04.000I am honored to have worked alongside some of the most dedicated and driven people I've ever met.
00:24:08.000I don't know if this uh... So we're receiving it from another reporter and whistleblower.
00:24:13.000Well April was a whistleblower for CBS News.
00:24:17.000She was a whistleblower like two years ago.
00:24:19.000She was a meteorologist and she went live on the air and said she's going to expose her own network.
00:24:23.000So she's gone on to do other reporting.
00:24:25.000We've not received confirmation from Project Veritas that he has resigned.
00:24:29.000So other than that, I don't know if you can say it's confirmed or whether or not we know for sure that he's actually resigned, but it seems plausible at the very least.
00:24:38.000I try to be a bit more careful on these things.
00:24:40.000I'd rather have a statement from Project Veritas confirming, yes, he did resign.
00:25:42.000Everyone in the media has lied about you and called you propaganda, fake news, and everything, so you're not going to CNN.
00:25:48.000Now, Veritas is attacking its founder, who is beloved by the community, so you're basically saying if you keep working there... Well, there needs to be a leader.
00:26:50.000A hundred, that's, if you're working a 14 hour day, you know, that's thousands of thousands of dollars an hour.
00:26:56.000So if I have to get from point A to point B, yeah, I'm gonna get in an SUV because I'm on the phone with sources while with my other phone on the phone with a donor while with my toe on the phone with an employee while typing on my laptop because that's what I do.
00:27:13.000And you need someone who's gonna walk through walls.
00:27:36.000But I'm so busy trying to raise money for all these fricking lawyers to defend myself from all these lawsuits because everyone wants me to fight back and stand on principle and stand on truth.
00:27:50.000And not bend over and take it and settle.
00:27:53.000So there's a price to pay to not bending over.
00:27:57.000Do you think it was a mistake starting Veritas as a non-profit?
00:28:00.000I don't regret anything in my life because everything that I have been through has taught me so much.
00:28:07.000In many ways, this is not a new story.
00:28:57.000And, you know, the way I see it now is, it's remarkable to see that over the span of, what, 13 years, 12 and a half, 13 years, you build up to the point of $25 million a year.
00:29:54.000They sued me for breach of fiduciary duty.
00:29:57.000I was in a sensory deprivation chamber, aka a federal courtroom, for like a week and a half in Washington, D.C., which is its own hellhole, because when you're in D.C.
00:30:12.000for 24 hours, it's like a spiritual attack against you.
00:30:15.000And there's a jury, and there's all these lawyers, and I'm on the witness stand And I could have probably settled the lawsuit, I don't know, for something, a couple hundred grand, maybe a hundred grand, but I chose to do what I thought was the right thing and not settle it and go to the Supreme Court if I had to.
00:31:03.000I mean, I think you do, but for the audience, the rhetorical you.
00:31:07.000I've told this story before, because I've encountered this, literally talking to heads of media.
00:31:13.000You get a guy who comes into, you get a journalist, or a media guy, and he goes to the investors and says, I want to do this investigative reporting and expose corporate and governmental malfeasance.
00:31:26.000I need investment capital to get started.
00:31:30.000And the venture capitalists and the business guys go, awesome, fantastic, this sounds really, really good.
00:31:35.000And you say, well, you know, this kind of news does really, really well.
00:31:39.000Millions of views, 10 million views, 20 million views, it's amazing.
00:31:43.000And we can sign up people to be members, support our work.
00:31:45.000So, you know, we could be looking at a very lucrative enterprise and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, but timeline wise, when are you going to get the story?
00:32:44.000So their unique value proposition was they actually go on the location they're reporting on.
00:32:48.000And then around 2014-15 is when things started to shift and they said, well, you know, and then they started relying, presumably, this is my opinion, more on Ridiculous clickbait articles.
00:35:02.000But my philosophy was always since day one, day one, my core value, my tenet was, whatever it does cost, I will get that money to do that thing.
00:35:11.000So that was my raison d'etre, was I'm gonna go do this project, or I'm gonna go get the story.
00:35:19.000If it costs me 1.4 million to get it, I'll find a way to get the money so that I can do the thing.
00:36:30.000It was very painful, but it was necessary for me to get to the next evolution of what I'm about to do.
00:36:38.000I would be willing to bet that The near absolute majority of people who have given to Project Veritas, if they heard a story about James O'Keefe boarding a private jet to fly down for a vacation in Miami Beach with a nice suit and sunglasses, they'd be laughing and clapping, being like, this is exactly what the man deserves it.
00:37:17.000Look, if you launched a private company from the get-go, and you brought in members, and you ran it as a membership, you know, like you're doing now with OMG, you'd post a picture of yourself, top G, getting on a private jet with a Bugatti or whatever, and people would be going like, yes!
00:37:34.000Like, not only are we winning, but James is flaunting his success to show all of the corruption and to inspire young people that there's a path of success to luxury.
00:37:44.000Well, Elon Musk says the private Transportation is the one thing that can maximize your time because you can have two meetings or three meetings in a day.
00:37:51.000Like there was one time I woke up in New York.
00:39:16.000Athletes, celebrities get paid ridiculous amounts of money, and the person who is in a movie posts a video of themselves boarding a private jet with a fancy Dom Perignon or something, and everyone says, if I want to succeed and have wealth and luxury, you have to be a vapid pop culture salesman.
00:39:34.000There's a lot more here that I could say that I'm not going to, because I really, sorry, there's a lot more here.
00:39:42.000I don't wanna get into the, there's some things I could tell you
00:40:23.000I mean, the Southern District of New York is where the FBI raided me, so now I'm being sued in the SDNY, a jury trial, in order to issue an injunction against me to stop exposing corruption.
00:40:39.000Um, by the organization that I founded, which is, which mission is, the stated mission is to expose corruption, and they've issued an injunction to stop the founder from exposing corruption.
00:41:08.000Just to wrap up my last point, we should be happy to see James relaxing on a private jet.
00:41:16.000We should be like, you do good work, you stand up for something honorable, you help this country, you get rewarded for doing it.
00:41:24.000Instead, and I don't mean to just put this on you, it's something everybody has in their mind, that if you're going to do non-profit work, you should be poor.
00:41:34.000And not literally every single person, but I used to do non-profit fundraising.
00:41:38.000And I have to explain to people, they're like, did you hear the CEO of that non-profit gets paid a million dollars?
00:43:40.000Which is to effectively create Uber for journalism.
00:43:45.000So instead of just everyone being on my payroll, I want to equip everyone to go do what I do.
00:43:50.000So I get hundreds of messages a day, please investigate the school board in Utah.
00:43:56.000I had a lot of Canadians message me today, that was interesting.
00:43:59.000And what we want to do is equip them, give them cameras, and to go have them go do this and open source my knowledge.
00:44:05.000So everything I've learned about what I do, I'm producing a series of masterclasses on ethics, law, technology, and I'm teaching people how to do this because I think it does require some skills.
00:44:16.000It requires being trained and educated, and I'm going to open source that.
00:44:20.000I'm going to put it behind a paywall, okiefmediagroup.com.
00:44:25.000And you can get access to this information.
00:44:28.000We have a database of like 1,100 people and we're deploying them.
00:44:33.000And we're doing, as I speak, they're in the field recording follow-ups on Pfizer, the FDA, the government, the deep state, the administrative state, the three-letter agencies, school boards, teachers, media companies.
00:44:46.000We want to help everyone, but when people say, hey, James, can you please go do this story?
00:44:50.000Now I'm saying, no, you go do that story.
00:45:40.000I mean, imagine if the rest of the media actually did that and followed those leads instead of publishing articles on why Star Trek was racist.
00:45:47.000But that's the thing, writing an article about Star Trek being racist is super easy.
00:45:54.000And what's happening is this kind of media is becoming dominant, and then it results in surface-level understanding of the world, hyperpolarization, and people focusing on things that are substantially less important.
00:46:09.000You get YouTube channels where they're like, we're gonna make our 160th video about Dave Rubin!
00:46:14.000And I'm like, but Dave Rubin's a guy on YouTube!
00:46:18.000Like, you could talk about the president.
00:46:19.000You know, I think we talked about David Pakman, and I unfairly criticized him for talking about Trump so much, and now I realize, no, that's actually fine.
00:46:28.000Like, if you're going to talk about the president a thousand times, I totally get it.
00:46:34.000If you're going to talk about AOC, if you're going to talk about people in positions of power and authority, heads of industry, that I understand.
00:46:41.000If you're going to claim that a YouTuber who ranks at like number 1,000, no, that's just that's just vapid e-drama.
00:46:50.000It riles people up at the lowest common denominator, it makes money, and it's very difficult to do the research to do the groundwork.
00:46:57.000People want to hear their opinion being uttered by somebody else, but that doesn't actually change anything.
00:47:02.000I mean, why don't journalists do this?
00:47:04.000My theory is they don't do it because...
00:47:06.000If you actually point a camcorder or a hidden camera in any direction in a bureau or a government office, it'll contradict what you see on television.
00:47:18.000The other thing is I think I've always said that we hold a mirror up to people and they don't like what it is that they see.
00:47:26.000They hate the person who holds the mirror up to them.
00:47:29.000So, I mean, going back to the citizen journalist thing, we had people that are so humbled that we reached out to them.
00:47:34.000This Texas people I was speaking to, there's a group of people exposing something local in Texas, and she was shocked that OMG, that James O'Keefe would send her a camera like, well, you're going after like Pfizer and the Pentagon and the deep state, so why would you talk to us?
00:47:47.000I was like, well, you gotta start local, gotta go to your local school board meeting, right?
00:47:50.000But Tim, you were downstairs with me and I was on the Twitter spaces and And someone said, well, I don't know where to start.
00:47:56.000And I said, have you gone to your school board meeting yet?
00:47:58.000And she said, no, I didn't know I could.
00:48:36.000We had a young woman in Minnesota record her official in college saying, shhh transgender person will be in your room as your roommate, but we won't tell you that they're transgender.
00:48:49.000Saying this to her and she recorded it.
00:48:57.000Well I think that's a very important mission because you're putting a lot of emphasis on what's happening at the local level and it's good to focus on national politics, obviously everyone in this room does that, but for individual people in any given community to be involved with their school board and then also be able to see like undercover journalism on what's going on at their school board I think is incredibly valuable.
00:49:55.000I don't think people should stop people from doing this.
00:49:58.000I don't think it's against the First Amendment to stop journalism and stop trying to use the federal courts to stop journalists.
00:50:07.000I've been sued so many times in my life.
00:50:10.000I had the Teachers Union of Michigan file an injunction against me in 2017.
00:50:14.000Randy Weingarten actually filed a restraining order against me because I published a document showing they paid off $50,000 to someone who's accused of raping a child.
00:50:51.000But whoever is in charge has to now deal with this dichotomy of, okay, I gotta raise ridiculous amounts of money to fight on principle, or I can settle and give up.
00:51:03.000So in Michigan, this was a document where it was paid off 50 grand.
00:51:07.000We got the guy on hidden camera saying he knows what he did.
00:52:47.000I mean, well, I knew that for what you were doing, you ended up getting sued a number of times, so I figured that that was a problem for you.
00:52:53.000I didn't realize how much that added up to.
00:53:09.000And Scott Fovill is saying what he said.
00:53:11.000And they sued me, I don't know why they're suing me, they should sue Scott Fovill.
00:53:14.000And it gets all the way, I had to fight it for like two years, it goes all the way right before the verdict, the jury's coming out of the box, and the federal judge gavels the case and goes, and I'm paraphrasing, Federal judge article three judge says can someone please tell me why we're here Wow, and and the lawyers the plaintiffs lawyers.
00:53:33.000These are these are like the Hillary Clinton sort of make money group I don't know how this old woman could afford like five lawyers.
00:53:49.000And the judge goes, if you sued, this is directed at, this is a transcript, directed at the lawyers, if you sued Mike Wallace, I realize Mike Wallace is dead, 60 minutes, but if you sued Mike Wallace for what you're suing James O'Keefe for, everyone would laugh at you.
00:54:05.000And you should have seen the look on these lawyers' faces.
00:54:08.000They were like, whoa, we didn't expect that.
00:54:11.000So sometimes you have to fight it all the way to the end.
00:54:26.000Like faxes and like copy scans and things like that.
00:54:29.000Yeah, I think people need to understand this.
00:54:32.000If someone sends you a demand letter or a threat or an intent to file, and you go to your lawyer and say, okay, how should we respond to this?
00:54:39.000They'll say, well, we'll draft a response.
00:55:30.000Do you know how many late night dinners How many car rides, how many airplane trips away from my loved ones that I had to take to raise that money to pay those lawyers?
00:55:41.000And by the way, more power to the lawyers.
00:56:39.000And what I mean is, As I mentioned before, vanity played a role in why news organizations would do serious investigations, why they would expose government malfeasance, why they would publish the Pentagon Papers or the Afghan war logs and things like that.
00:56:52.000And it was that It feels good to be recognized for doing something good, and we've lost, and we're losing a lot of that in our society.
00:57:02.000So, my assumption, James, is that when it comes on like this, I feel similarly.
00:57:07.000I say this, would I rather have, like, I don't know, a Ferrari in an infinity pool, or would I rather have really great journalists?
00:57:13.000Do you know that when that gavel came down, it's called a Rule 50 directed verdict.
00:59:20.000You have to find really strong people, and the question is, how do you evaluate whether someone is strong?
00:59:26.000I mean, you don't really know until you go through hell with them, so you have to go through that to establish whether they have Testicular fortitude.
00:59:34.000You know that Henry V quote we were reciting?
00:59:43.000For he today who sheds his blood with me shall be my brother.
00:59:46.000This story shall the good man teach his son.
00:59:49.000For he today who goes through hell with me shall be my brother.
00:59:53.000Be him ne'er so vile, however low-born a man may be, this day shall make him a man.
00:59:58.000And gentlemen in England, now abed, shall stand to curse they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap, while any speaks that fought with us on this day.
01:00:09.000The people that remain by my side, you know, like Arcee, and I'm getting emotional here, but they're like, they're like my brothers.
01:02:00.000So that keeps me going, and I went to a small farm store about six, seven months ago, and was in there just shopping, little local produce stuff.
01:02:12.000They asked me what I did, and I was like, oh, you know, I do a political show and stuff, and they're like, oh, really cool, really cool, what's it called?
01:02:18.000And I said, it's all called Tim Cass, and they're like, oh, that's really, really great, and, you know, what do you talk about?
01:02:22.000And I was like, oh, this, that, or otherwise, and they're like, you know who I love?
01:02:45.000Like I imagine the last couple of years was fucking insane for you.
01:02:48.000Like just so much pressure and focus on you and your name and like the, That's a good question.
01:02:54.000And in many ways you have to be wired a certain way.
01:02:58.000I think if you're an artist, you're not a political person, I think the game, the process they put you through Prevent your ego from being a thing in the first place because the responsive power is nothing more than responsibility.
01:03:13.000So when you're when you have to raise a hundred grand a day like that'll mess up your ego.
01:03:20.000I gotta run the company, be the face, be the talent and deal with all these lawsuits.
01:03:24.000When you're a witness in federal court, that'll get your ego destroyed real fast.
01:03:29.000Um, you, you, you, you, people don't realize that power is nothing more than just responsibility.
01:03:39.000And when you have all this response, I mean, the FBI came to my apartment, point guns at me, take my stuff.
01:03:46.000A sword of Damocles hangs over your head and at any moment in time, and then you think, oh, they're going to get me on obstruction of justice and perjury.
01:03:53.000That process will humble you real fast.
01:03:59.000Your office is destroyed by a hurricane.
01:04:09.000And I think I'm a fortunate man because this process I've been through over the last six months, it humbled me, but it didn't destroy me.
01:04:19.000And I think that's rare for a man to go through that.
01:04:23.000Yeah, there's a really great quote, what you're saying reminds me of, the venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said that maturity is pain plus responsibility, and I think that rings true here.
01:04:35.000A lot of people have pain inflicted upon them, but then they don't carry it in a responsible way, and so they never develop as they need to.
01:04:42.000They want all of the power with none of the accompanying responsibility.
01:04:45.000And it's nothing but responsibility when you're in charge of an outfit like that.
01:04:52.000And humility is an ingredient for a work ethic, I think.
01:04:56.000You said a moment ago that something to the effect of money is responsibility or power is responsibility?
01:05:03.000I think there's an interesting moral dichotomy.
01:05:06.000The left views doesn't agree with the idea of power being responsibility.
01:05:12.000They believe power is something to be is for them to wield for their own luxuries and desires.
01:05:19.000And then there are people on this side who view it as a responsibility to those who have who have Given you a portion of their power so that you can concentrate that.
01:05:30.000I think about that with what we do here and what our goals are.
01:05:34.000I see that in what you do with what your goals are.
01:05:37.000That every day, and I'll get as nerdy as possible for all the anime fans, it is Goku doing the Spirit Bomb.
01:05:43.000For those that aren't familiar, it's in Dragon Ball Z when Goku asks all of the life of the world to lend him power so that he can defeat the bad guy.
01:05:53.000Those are the things I grew up seeing.
01:05:54.000And, you know, I know it's dorky, nerdy, whatever, for people who aren't fans of anime, but the idea is, as a child, I'm growing up looking up to the heroes who say, please, but a small piece of your power so that I can do something great.
01:06:07.000The responsibility to wield that power responsibly, the requirement that you do it, Is a moral obligation in my opinion.
01:06:16.000So for everybody who gives to TimCast.com and becomes members, sure.
01:06:21.000I could say, we're a for-profit company, I deserve this money, I built it, I'm gonna do whatever I want with it.
01:06:37.000But we have to do it, because there's two ways I see it.
01:06:40.000One, we do an opinion news commentary show.
01:06:44.000It is not the hard, groundbreaking journals that Project Veritas was doing under you, or what you're doing now with OMG.
01:06:50.000But I think you're probably one of the best in the business when it comes to that beat.
01:06:54.000I appreciate it, but I also recognize we have to, as people are basically saying like, we love this show and what you talk about.
01:07:02.000We're going to give you a small piece of the power that we've accrued so that you can wield it.
01:07:06.000I don't immediately say something like, oh man, it'd be really cool if I built like a massive skyscraper with an infinity pool.
01:07:11.000I think let's hire a whole bunch of journalists and take that energy and focus it into something massively net positive for the world.
01:07:18.000That's why even when it comes to like the coffee company we started, I'm in the hole $250,000 on starting The Coffee Company because we need to build products that compete in the cultural space.
01:07:30.000I'm in the hole another couple hundred thousand on starting The Coffee Shop because we need to compete with woke corporations.
01:07:36.000You know, I think about it all the time.
01:07:37.000I'm like, man, if I shut all this down and just did one small YouTube channel where I made three videos per day, I would live like a king and never have to sweat ever again.
01:07:48.000Someone has to be calling out what they see as injustice.
01:07:53.000Someone has to be like you, James, actually doing the work and inspiring others to go and build strong moral frameworks for our country and inspire people to be good people and to do the right thing.
01:08:04.000And that is, we have an obligation to the people of our country and our planet To use our abilities for the betterment of the world and for the people with great, I'll say it like this, with great power comes great responsibility.
01:08:19.000But power isn't just one day you stumbled across a winning lottery ticket.
01:08:23.000Power isn't just you made a lot of money at your job.
01:08:25.000Power is you're talented, you're smart, you're capable.
01:08:28.000I believe that we as humans have an obligation to, to the best of our abilities, use our gifts so that we can make the world better for everybody else.
01:09:19.000Another thing that Roseanne Barr told me recently was that, and I hope I'm not breaking her confidence, but I intend to visit with her in Texas soon, Like, she's a creative, I'm a creative.
01:09:30.000I don't know about, I assume you're creatively motivated.
01:09:33.000We're creative, we make music and art.
01:09:35.000You have your music business and everything.
01:09:37.000I mean, I'm a creative, so that's what motivates me.
01:09:40.000I'm motivated by creating the project, telling the story, doing the thing.
01:09:45.000Creative people, this whole process has created a little disillusionment in me, which at first I thought, well, that's not good, because am I gonna lose my idealism?
01:09:54.000But Roseanne Barr told me that what makes a great artist, if you're an artist, illusion separates you from God and separates you from reality.
01:10:05.000If you're getting rid of your illusions, you're gonna do a better job of capturing reality.
01:14:16.000I hear a lot of stories where people say something like, oh, my friend recommended this mind-altering drug.
01:14:23.000And I don't mean illegal ones, I mean legal ones.
01:14:25.000They're like, have you thought about anti-anxiety medicine or depression medicine?
01:14:28.000People are on how many pills these days?
01:14:31.000I think even Family Guy made a joke about it, where Lois cracks a bunch of different pills, and she's like, all of my different prescriptions, and then eats them, and she's like, tomorrow I'll think this is a new idea, or something like that.
01:14:42.000Something is going on in this country with big pharmaceutical companies, in terms of just mass cranking out so many different drugs, and they make such tremendous profits, and they sponsor so many different media organizations, that all of a sudden big companies are like, hey, nobody
01:15:00.000I don't know if you saw the story that OMG two weeks ago with the Tucker, the Fox News
01:15:42.000I think what we see with you, James, with OMG, with what you were previously doing with Veritas, just your work in general and the people you've inspired, we need people, young people, growing up, knowing that you will be championed.
01:18:03.000And it's remarkable to me because I'm wondering, does he have no scruples?
01:18:06.000Does he have no inner sense of, I just can't bring myself to do this?
01:18:12.000I just don't understand how people could have this within them to say, yeah, I got no problem doing it as long as nobody finds out.
01:18:17.000Well, there was one time that the Twitter guy was on a date with the undercover journalist and he goes, don't tell anybody this, but here's a secret email.
01:18:27.000That Project Veritas sent out, and our reporter has to mispronounce Project Veritas in order to not be burned.
01:18:41.000No offense to the reporter, but that is the most, like, I'm clearly pretending not to be in Project Veritas statement I've ever heard, and the guy still keeps confessing!
01:18:51.000I'm sitting here and I'm being texted by my team and they're reminding me that every time they're on an assignment, the reporters are, you know, the subjects are asking, are you, are you, you got the hidden camera?
01:19:29.000I think what happens there is sort of a microcosm of a much larger human problem, which is that when people don't develop virtue, what they've essentially failed to do is subjugate their emotions or their passions to reason.
01:19:41.000So even though they know, okay, it wouldn't be reasonable for me to tell someone I barely know every borderline illegal or flat-out illegal or unethical thing I'm doing at work, I feel like I want to in the moment, so I'm going to.
01:19:54.000Right, and one of the other questions, if I'm an undercover reporter and someone's saying, here are you, I say, hey, yeah, sure, you want to check me?
01:20:51.000They were like, if you are a, like, mildly unattractive tech engineer for a big tech company and this hot woman is asking you about the inner workings of your company, it's James O'Keefe.
01:21:14.000You see the story we did last week on Fetterman, where the guy, this is Fetterman's aide, he carries around his stuff, and you probably do a great impression, but he's like, I'm not incoherent enough.
01:21:24.000We just use the journalists as puppets.
01:22:20.000They need confession. That's that's true profound. That's very true
01:22:24.000I don't think anyone's ever spoken about this in this way.
01:22:27.000By the way, some of them don't, we don't find them on dating apps.
01:22:29.000In fact, the one guy, a reporter that works for me, got a guy in December in Chicago to talk about the, remember the dildo butt plug story?
01:22:40.000The head of a private school in Chicago talks about giving out these things to children.
01:22:49.000And he met that man in an airport security line.
01:22:54.000So that's how he got that information.
01:22:56.000Did he have to like, I'm going to the bathroom and then put the camera on and like Oh, geez.
01:23:00.000Winning friends and influencing people, and the confession thing you said is very profound.
01:23:28.000I think a lot of these people, it's a joke that we've pointed out where, you know, a guy meets a woman, he sits down and says, hey babe, you want to hear about all the illegal things my company does?
01:23:40.000Like it's gonna score them, but that's not it.
01:23:43.000Seamus, I think, nails it in that the moment they engaged in something they knew was wrong, their mind said, you are doing wrong.
01:24:45.000The brain, because it says the brain, the eyes are connected directly to the brain, like it can't lie, you can sense it.
01:24:52.000I think it's more than just the brain, right?
01:24:54.000Because humans, we're not just bodies, we're a body-soul composite, and there is a there-there.
01:24:59.000You can tell, you're not just looking at matter when you look into somebody's eyes, there's something else.
01:25:04.000We're not mere mechanical components, there's something more to us.
01:25:07.000Yeah, the way it's moving, you can tell it's vibrating, you know, different ways depending on what they're thinking.
01:25:12.000But even vibration puts it in a material way, like there's something immaterial that we can't understand.
01:25:18.000The conscience thing is really interesting to me because when in your life did someone come to you and say, son, I know you're entering kindergarten, it's your first day, but if you ever work for a major pharmaceutical company and they ask you to engage in gain-of-function research, I need you to say no, son, it's wrong.
01:25:45.000Well, I wonder if there is something genuinely immaterial in that we know when we're doing good or bad.
01:25:52.000It more relates to Do we know that this is going to be harmful to the world and our fellow man?
01:25:58.000And it... I think maybe that's just... There could be something more metaphysical, or maybe it's simply that we know the destruction of the planet, we know that harming others is just inherently wrong, and working to those ends is wrong.
01:26:13.000But they want to justify it somehow, and be told everything's okay, you're a good person.
01:26:18.000I think we have a culture that celebrates vice and denigrates virtue.
01:26:23.000And as I mentioned earlier, when we're referring to virtue, what we're really referring to is subjugating your impulses, your passions, your emotions to reason, doing the right thing in spite of the way you feel.
01:26:34.000What we have encouraged people to do systematically over the last several decades is to orient themselves towards pleasure as the highest good.
01:26:42.000And that includes ignoring your conscience, ignoring reason, ignoring your values, just doing what feels good.
01:26:50.000And what results from that is a person who is incapable of going against their own passions and doing what's right.
01:26:58.000And so, other people not liking you, it makes you feel bad.
01:27:02.000They don't want that negative consequence of their nefarious behaviors, but The conscience part of it doesn't factor in as often until they need to silence it by getting your approval.
01:27:24.000This is the vision that I'm seeing as you're explaining this.
01:27:27.000I'm imagining some morbidly obese woman eating her fifth bowl of nachos With her brain screaming, stop doing this, and she goes, oh, the negative thoughts are coming back.
01:28:07.000Because the pain... What I read was that certain people who can't experience pain, their body can't regulate temperature because they don't have that sensation of discomfort.
01:28:33.000I understand sometimes there's chemical imbalance, depression, and anxiety where people are having a disorder.
01:28:37.000But perhaps if you are unhappy, not everybody, I know, sometimes people are, you know, clinically or medically depressed, but perhaps You need to do better by yourself.
01:29:31.000Or maybe they do when the video goes live.
01:29:33.000No, because the difference is when you go to confession, when you go confess to a Catholic priest with true contrition, you're actually sorry, you're actually making a resolution not to do it again, you're not going in there and saying, this is the thing I did, please give me your approval.
01:29:46.000You're saying, this is wrong, I know it was wrong, please absolve me, I'm sorry.
01:30:01.000James, you're effectively an inverse priest for them in a certain way, where instead of saying, admit you were wrong, they're saying, please tell me I wasn't.
01:30:11.000There's something to that because... And then it exposes... But real quick, sorry, I just wanted to add.
01:30:15.000What these people need to understand, and what always breaks my heart about the videos that you put out, James, when it's like a Twitter engineer who says, yeah, we're doing these things, why wasn't he a whistleblower?
01:30:25.000Why didn't he say, I am going to reach out to James O'Keefe personally and of my own volition and tell him about these horrible things they're doing?
01:30:39.000Which is, I wasn't, you know, that's not really what motivates me, but a lot of otherwise, I thought, decent people will just stay there for the paycheck, I think.
01:30:48.000And we've talked about, Tim, you and I talked about this before, well, that they're cowards, and yeah, there's something to that.
01:30:56.000But I think that's changing in society.
01:30:58.000To be a little optimistic here, I think people now care more about doing the right thing more than they ever have.
01:32:00.000People are... You mentioned people on the sidelines and they need permission.
01:32:05.000I've had so many people ask me, especially, you know, when I was working for Vice, when I was on the ground field reporting, I would get these emails and people would say, how do I do what you do?
01:34:14.000Like RFK told me, which is very profound, I said, aren't you worried that these pharmaceutical companies are going to kill you?
01:34:20.000And he goes, there are things in life worse than dying.
01:34:25.000So Solzhenitsyn says he's in the gulags and there's a hunger strike.
01:34:29.000And he writes about this, because when you're on a hunger strike, you retain some of your own power over the guards.
01:34:38.000And that gives you a sense of empowerment, because now you have the power over the forces of evil that are imprisoning you.
01:34:46.000And one of the guys in the hunger strike decides, you know what, I'm too hungry, I'm going to go eat that piece of bread.
01:34:52.000And I'm paraphrasing, but Zolzhenitsyn describes that the pain of, these people are all starving, he's starving to death, the pain of the betrayal of the comrade who ate the bread was so much greater than the pain of the starvation.
01:35:09.000So to your point about suffering, it's like, what I've been through I don't view it as a bad thing because I think that pain completes the process of muscle development.
01:37:18.000We'll make a specific blend and then we'll have all the proceeds go to OMG.
01:37:25.000My thing is, so long as we can... Here's what I always tell everybody, like, look.
01:37:30.000If this company, this coffee company, sets up a bunch of different coffee shops, I think we'll end up franchising because we just want to get the ball rolling.
01:37:38.000I don't care to be the CEO of a multi-billion dollar coffee company that's meaningless to me.
01:38:10.000Creating spaces where regular people will be exposed to the positive influence of all the people that in this field, the work you're doing, that's our mission with the coffee shop and the coffee company.
01:39:28.000And I'm just saying this on air, I don't even know if James wants a coffee or whatever, I don't want to- I would love, love, that's a great idea, I'd love that.
01:39:33.000No, I was honestly just giving you a hard time.
01:40:44.000If they came out and said, we're sorry things went this way, we appreciate all the work James has done, we wish him the best, we hope that he succeeds, and we would like to succeed as well, they'd be way better off.
01:40:57.000Yeah, I mean, like I said, I support everyone doing this.
01:41:02.000There should be more organizations doing this.
01:41:04.000I don't think you should stop a journalist from exposing corruption with money that was donated in order to expose corruption.
01:41:29.000I want people to expose what needs to be exposed.
01:41:33.000And I think we can coexist, and I think we should.
01:41:35.000We need more organizations doing this.
01:41:37.000I think we need more non-profits, NGOs, whatever you want to call it.
01:41:40.000Non-profits are tough, though, with boards, because again, you have that same problem we talked about throughout the program, which the board has to be very strong.
01:41:46.000Well, and also, I mean, just that statement, we need to destroy him to save ourselves.
01:41:50.000You know, to go out of your way to destroy someone for your own benefit, that's demonic.
01:42:06.000The retracto was the mascot that Andrew Breitbart came up with.
01:42:09.000We were thinking back in 2010 when I was arrested, there needs to be an, you know, an anthropomorphic creature to represent all the defamation.
01:43:44.000Yeah, and so, you know, I take, and everybody who watches this show knows this because I've said it 8,000 times, but a rooster will run full speed to its own death to fight a predator if it buys time for the hens to escape.
01:46:45.000And you like go left and right or whatever?
01:46:47.000And when you, when you, when you go off the wind, you release the sail, which is a greater degree of angle against the wind.
01:46:54.000So it's called close hauled up against the wind, and the boat heels, and you're only going like eight miles an hour, but Eight miles an hour to me, sailing feels like jumping out of an airplane.
01:47:25.000I'm not saying 99%, it might be like 51.
01:47:29.000But I lean towards, in my complete lack of legal experience, which, like, I have none, but I do believe we've heard stories of shareholders suing because, I mean, look, Bud Light, we had the story, we didn't get into any of this stuff, they actually just made another major contribution to a woke non-profit or something.
01:47:45.000There's literally no business reason to give hundreds of thousands of dollars to pride events, especially after your customers are abandoning you, abandoning you to the tune of 30% of your sales.
01:47:56.000If you hold stock in Budweiser, in Anheuser-Busch, I have to imagine you have a very strong legal case that they are intentionally destroying the value of their company and neglecting their duties to you, the shareholder.
01:48:11.000People are saying, like, we're boycotting your brand, and then they go, I got an idea, let's donate more money to the exact same thing people are protesting.
01:48:17.000That's that impact investment, and it'll be an interesting precedent to see if a company takes a hundred million of their dollars and puts it towards some social cause that makes no money for their...
01:48:26.000For their investors, but they say, but it has social impact that will benefit you in the long run, stakeholder.
01:48:32.000Then there might be some court cases and be like, no, this is purely fiscal.
01:48:36.000I don't care about the cleanliness of the air.
01:49:38.000Like, I'm the client, and you're making three times more money than me, which is fine, but don't give me that crap.
01:49:45.000So that's probably, that's something I'm still learning how to do, is manage lawyers, manage their legal bills, and you know, and so thank you, whoever you are.
01:50:07.000mentioned this, by the way, too, when he was on our show about the fact that his lawyers were advising him not to speak out about certain things, and it ended up working out very well for him that he did.
01:50:40.000Religious reformation happening right now where all these global religions are coming together with technology and psychoactive drugs and people are like trying to figure out the new story we're gonna tell.
01:50:51.000I think we already told the greatest story ever told.
01:50:54.000Time moves backwards and forwards at the same time.
01:50:57.000That wasn't exactly what I had in mind.
01:51:00.000Angry Marsupial says, I left a 14-year journalism career behind in 2009 because I saw behind the curtain and became completely disillusioned.
01:51:09.000Corruption in media, government, corporations.
01:55:23.000And I've met a number of philanthropists worth hundreds of millions or a billion dollars who almost grab their colleagues at the country club by the collar and say, are you kidding me?
01:55:32.000You've got 16 Ferraris, 500 grand can buy.
01:55:37.000can buy this group doing the right thing, and buy a piece of justice.
01:56:27.000I got this feeling that if and when you die, that God is there and it explains to you what you could have done to make it right.
01:56:35.000And like all this day we wake up and instead today I'm going to go eat, I'm going to get the coffee, I'm going to play another game of this make money lifestyle, but like in reality we could get online and make so much noise and effective change and I think you're faced with that upon your Reconciliation and it's like god damn it Why didn't I just do it while I was alive?
01:56:55.000And this this desire to go back and make it right and then we come back and we forget that at all That that that that was there and you have to relearn that and then you just got to force yourself, man but let's lonely existence take that idea and Put it into your current life right now.
01:57:11.000Think about where you're at right now and what you wish you did 10 years ago to enact something positive.
01:57:17.000Now think about where you are right now and what your future self will be thinking about this very moment.
01:57:23.000Hindsight is 20-20, of course, so you don't know everything.
01:58:24.000I think so, but my comment on this is so many people have had babies because of me, it's like wild.
01:58:30.000I heard so many people got married, like Hannah Giles, my colleague who did the acorn story, married Joe Basil who was in a jail cell with me in Louisiana.
01:59:51.000Kevin Lee says, James, keep on exposing, and we do all need to address the corruption wherever we are.
01:59:56.000Only way it will get better is if we get our hands dirty and get in the game.
02:00:02.000And sometimes, and you know, going back to the Solzhenitsyn quote in the Gulag Archipelago, the line that separates good and evil runs through each and every one of us.
02:00:12.000And this is like the Peterson, Jordan Peterson talks about like, We all have the capacity to do evil.
02:00:19.000And when I went through what I went through, particularly in court and most recently, I could actually feel, I could feel the presence of evil, almost like trying to infiltrate my wounds, like trying to get inside of me.
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02:02:05.000James, do you want to shout anything out?
02:03:19.000It's behind our paywall, but we're putting out snippets on social media, and it's behind our paywall, and it's going to be different than the commentary.
02:03:29.000It's going to be in-depth, sort of journalistic, because a lot of the stuff I don't do under cover work.
02:03:34.000I'm talking to a source, they have documents, and I'm interviewing.
02:03:37.000Almost like a mini-documentary podcast.